Episode 28: Dorothea Puente was a landlord from hell

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2:29 Are you ready for this says Indiana mother dismembered. Husband ordered children to clean up crime scene. Oh my God. No, oh yeah, this is bad and it only gets worse. So how many Indiana and so mom killed the Husband chopped up his body and then she demanded that her children help her. So mom's name is thessalonica Alan, she's 34, and she killed Randy Allen. She shot him and then used an axe to cut off his legs. I don't know if she just got a little bit tired and didn't want to continue dismembering him. She tried to enlist her two teenage children to help dispose of the remains an attempt to burn the body. She is facing Like half a dozen charges easily murder. Abuse of a corpse child neglect and this all happened. The end of July.

3:31 So about a week and a half ago and LaPorte Indiana. Now, there was a hearing just this past Wednesday and the judge entered a not guilty plea from her. I don't know why she did that and she got a public defender. So, the way that she was found out though is that her kids refused to help and so then she called This is the best part. She called one of the, the other, like the father of one of the children and had him try and have him come. I'm over to help her and he hopped the cops. Yeah. What know who? I'm trying to get me caught up in this stuff? No, thank you now, she and her, not guilty pleas. She said that the reason why she killed him is because he had been beating the children. Hmm.

4:17 Okay. And that, he also beat her and she shot him after a physical fight. The kids. However, said that, like, Dad had just been like helping them on the computer and he viewed a Site that their mother had visited, which sparked an argument in their bedroom and the children heard a gunshot. The police also found two papers in the apartment Place. Another daughter's. Pillow that appeared to be a to-do list. The paper said things like hit him with a hammer and stabbed him roll up the body and sheets and plastic that was all released at the hearing. So I don't think that salonica is going to have the best time with this case. I just I mean listen I don't.

5:00 I hate you killing people, but if you're gonna kill somebody, you got to do it a little bit better, not when the kids are home and then you can't tell your teenage children. So come join me know your blood on your hands to children please. Yeah. So that's the one that I saw this week and I'm not gonna lie, I've contemplated making a tick tock of this, because it just seems like it belongs in stupid ways. That Killers get gone. Put what she was searching. No, they did not say what the website was, just that Dad saw and it bothered him. It obviously wasn't something that was like illegal or grotesque because the kids would have mentioned that but I'm wondering if like, maybe like she, like, purchase something that he didn't want her to buy, you know what I mean? That stuff that people were most of the people who are married argue about.

5:52 Yeah, you spend your money, things of that nature or she was searching for a hit man. Well, that would be weird. I mean, it could. I've been a dating site that would have caused an argument. Yes, you know. What was that dating site for people who are married want to cheat? Ashley Madison. There we go. Maybe it was Ashley Madison account. I got it probably was he can't be Ashley Madison because there aren't any women on Ashley Madison only men and fake account. But what did you learn about this week? Brian. Oh my God. All right, so I was torn between two but this one, I think I'll cover this one. Okay.

6:32 Okay. So try those. The headline reads and She was warm public about Atlantic Atlanta Park after a woman. And her dog were fatally, stabbed. Wait, is this? The is this related to the thing that I told you about? When I said Elena police told people that this was not a serial killer. And then all of the people from Atlanta were like, that's exactly what you would say. If there was a serial killer because it was also in Atlanta this week. I'm not sure might be related. Oh, wow, that's fun says, officials in Atlanta, advise the public Thursday night To go to hide Mount Park. Okay? Alone at night. It seems like Piedmont, Piedmont. Sounds familiar to me. Piedmont.

7:13 That might be Piedmont then again, that could be just the Filly way of saying it. So let's just go with that one here. That sounds like it would probably be that anyway. After it's a one week after a woman and her dog were stabbed to death the dog to near one of the park interest is. Yes the dog. Unfortunately, I don't know why but I just dug was being loud. And no, I was gonna say, I don't know why I'm picky. Take this one. I was just like three times in a row, Brian with you. And animal deaths. That's terrible. I don't know what's wrong. I thought it was bad enough when I had the lady Luber driver who stole the cat. Look. I was talking about the last one I talked about was cat Justice, okay? And this one is just unfortunately, that dog death, dog death.

7:59 So I mean I am a cat person so but I would never wish harm upon a dog I do. You love dogs as well. Hello animals. Anyway. Yeah, at this rate how expensive it is to get like to pay to have a dog in an apartment. I won't have one until I have a house. They charge like hundred twenty dollars extra a month, I can't afford that but the woman her name was Katherine Janice pork and she was 40 years old and she was found at the scene. Multiple stab. Wounds walking her dog. Yeah. I don't get like why you would stabbed a donkey because The dog was also found stabbed and seeing where I imagine that scene. I bet you, they were real upset.

8:42 Like the people who saw their like, oh, this dead woman, the dog is Step 2. Yeah. Um, I guess they're still. Looking. Okay, so there's audio from 911 call Park that was released somebody sell else found it may be him. Yeah yeah so hopefully somebody saw something because there's a balance there, you know, it's a park. So obviously there's security cameras and stuff there. That recorded it. So hopefully they can find something on the security cameras.

9:23 They are asking anyone with any information to contact the Atlantic Atlanta Police homicide unit or Crime Stoppers. It's a phone number if you need it. 40 45 77 8477. There you go. And yeah there I guess the anonymous award a reward for 10,000. Dollars is pretty good for anybody with information. Don't be like that, one family that I talked about a couple weeks ago and Tick-Tock where the mom realized that her like, kids were a part of the crime and like she called the police and were like, so is there a reward for information about this? And people were like You don't know. Your kids are one of your kids is a murderer. Yeah.

10:11 And the other one helped cover it up. Are you really just gonna call it? Ask about the reward money. I wouldn't people are mad. That's kind of stupid. I don't know. Oh yeah, so some pretty grisly stuff this week, unfortunately. I'm sorry, that's okay. That's okay next week. I won't have a non animal one. I guess we'll see what happens. When Killers get caught is sponsored by the magic class Boutique. Now, why does that name sound so familiar? Well, it's because as a business is ran by our very own Britney. That's right.

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12:25 and it's just a lot of that taken consistently. So, I remembered that I had a series earlier this year, on Tech talk called Senior serial killers and that one specifically that they always interests me. Because the, the general age for when people start murdering others in a Serial fashion, is your late 20s to early 30s? So I A lot of times people are interested in the much younger Killers or the much older killers. And so, you have the exceptionally young, like, Jesse Pomeroy episode 15, or much older like today. And She's born in 1929 and she didn't kill for the first time until 1982. Oh wow, her name was Dorothea Puente and she is notoriously known as the Death House landlady and one of California's, more notorious serial killers with a kill count of nine.

13:24 Oh, I think I've heard of her next, you might know this story. Oh, surprise me story. I know. Okay. Well, let's learn about who she was. Decades, before she became a murderer because she had a, I won't say interesting. A lot happened and it wasn't all good. So Drew Thea Helen Gray was born, January 9th, in 1929 in Redlands, California, which is in San Bernardino County. She was six out of seven children. Number six, out of seven children to give some background Redlands. California in 1929 was barely a town. Yet the Great Depression and the Dust Bowl had caused this. Like Mass Exodus of people from the Midwest both to the east and west coast and a lot of people moved into California is seeking jobs and prosperity for these parents were two of those people.

14:22 The two of them thought like, oh, you know, California has a lot of farms we can like, you know, pick fruit or do farm stuff. I thinking that it was like an easy job. It's not an easy job and her mother Trudy May and her father, Jesse James Gray worked on one of the many sprawling, orange Orchards, which was the main crop in California. The time now, I have to say this because I looked into this one of my friends, you'll hear me refer to her as glitch. Glitch is parents named her brother's after celebrities to this is, apparently, a pretty common thing. Naming your child like the first and last name of a celebrity. So, Jesse, James Gray.

15:11 Can you imagine though Justin Bieber Jackson, like an appendix. Trend in the 20s and it also, it came back in the 50s and so, like, that's glitches, parents naming a what was her brother named like Roy? Rogers something. Oh my God. Is Right. Weird. But yeah, it's that was already a weird Trend. I was like I'd that just like struck me and I was just like he imagined Beyoncé Knowles Martin. That's just sent you here thing to do. But regardless They had absolutely no experience when it came to Agriculture, and the two of them also had a drinking problem, Trudy ended up creating such a bad reputation for herself that well, they both got fired from the orange Orchard, but no one else would hire her and I couldn't find any records to explain exactly what she did.

16:06 But like from this point forward, nobody in Redlands will hire Trudy. May owe a drinking on a child probably well so Jesse's the sole Breadwinner and he gets a job picking cotton for a sharecropper on the edge of town. There. They didn't seem to care if he got wasted because if he didn't show up for work, they just didn't pay him for the day and on the days that he did get paid. He spent most of his paycheck on alcohol. Hey I go to that because I'm just trying to set the scene for the world. That Dorothea was born into Trudy continue to drink throughout her entire pregnancy. And while she was breastfeeding, they say this is the reason why Dorothea was so short. She got the stunted growth as Fact of fetal alcohol syndrome when she moved to solid foods there really wasn't much because they were busted broke.

16:59 And Dorothy is older. Siblings taught her how to like scavenge for food. Scraps, pretty much is when is soon as she was old enough to like walk with that. And that sometimes they took her out like when she was a toddler and they used her as a prop to like, get sympathy and gift that people, give them like food and money. Wow. That's terrible. Well, eventually the town started talking. About the crop of gray kids who are always out begging and Trudy would get upset. And she would like try and beat them. The older kids were pretty used to this though, and like they tried to teach Dorothea like all you have to do is just avoid her, let her drink a bottle of whatever it is. She's drinking around the house and she's going to forget why she was mad in the first place.

17:40 That's terrible. Unfortunately, says treaty was so small and she was the slowest. Like she couldn't get away from her mom. When her mom was on the warpath. Well, this is your fault. She took a lot alike. It's your fault. I'm so short. She took a lot of beatings meant for the older children really Trudy was mad at her husband, but he was never home. So she took it out. A lot of the kids, think, the weird thing about her is that Trudy didn't have much malice towards the children, but she just didn't seem to like care about them, like they were just there and kind of annoying. Boinging.

18:22 Now, Jesse wasn't home a lot. He was either sleeping somewhere in the house at a bar or at work. He was also violent with his wife and children. So, everyone was happier when he just wasn't around. He seemed to be more aggressive with the girl children, and they don't go a lot into details about how many siblings do with like the, but there were several girls and like he would just be annoyed by them. And so like they would just walk by and he would just hit them randomly like smack them, like back Ian them, and then so they lived in a one-bedroom house for Nine people like and so when he would come home and want to have sex with his wife, he would literally kick the children out and they would spend their walk, the streets at night Scavenging for food. Oh, the hell out of the house.

19:16 So they kicked him out of the room, kick them out of the house. He was like you need to be gone. Oh and so they would like you know stop by people's houses you know go through the The garbage after people had dinner several times. During these night Walks Like the girls had to gamble sometimes on who they were walking by, you know, you never know who's gonna try and touch you. And since they're Thea was still so little like, like, maybe they might like grab one of the older girls like skirt and miss her and grab the baby. And so, she definitely experienced some level of sexual assault when she was very, very young.

19:58 And so doing that. She didn't she didn't talk much about. It's easily. Couldn't get worse though, right? No, hopefully not. Well one night, Jesse passes out at work in the cotton field. He wakes up a rain during the night. He's completely soaked through. He's a terrible hacking cough and that strange cost last for months and months to the point where every time he coughed he was pulling on blood. A doctor was like this seems like pneumonia so they told him to Stay in bed and, you know, recuperate would shut down their only source of income. They spent their last money on medication for him, but he didn't get better. And then preacher from the local church that they used to go to came by and was like, oh, that's not pneumonia. This is tuberculosis oh I see a lot of cases because he's like, I am in our, you administer the last rites to people who are dying and for people who don't know, tuberculosis is very lethal, and very contagious.

21:01 And so the local church was like, don't worry about it. You don't have to worry about food. We got you, y'all aren't allowed to leave your house, your quarantine, they forcibly porn team, this entire family and Jesse James Gray died in 1937. When Thea was eight years old, the family had no money and he was buried in Potter's field. The community felt bad for Trudy but not bad enough to risk hiring her. I don't know what this woman could have done to make them have a memory. This long, it's been at least eight years or longer since she got fired and people are still like Trudy.

21:44 Nah oh goodness. And so as like Like after he died, they continue to quarantine the family and as no one came down with tuberculosis the donations started to dwindle, of course. And so Trudy began visiting with men about town in exchange for services, first for payment, for services. I mean, that's the job. It's a job and pay well, but it paid sometimes, she'd be gone for weeks at a time and the kids just kind of did for each other. Other it cooks for each other. They begged in town, sometimes they eat with some of the Mexican families in the neighborhood. And so, then Dorothea would try and pay them back by like cleaning the dishes and helping out in the kitchen. A year after Jesse died.

22:33 Trudy got into a car accident. She'd been writing on the back of one of her clients motorcycles. When a car. Clipped the back wheel, the bike flew off the road and down a Rocky Hill, and when her body was recovered, it was unrecognizable due to the injuries she sustained. The police were like, well we have to find the family of this woman. They tracked down the kids and they're just like the kids are like She wasn't really here anyway. And they were like, well, we're just going to kind of keep doing what we've been doing. We've been handling our own business, but the state was like, no, we can't allow like a bunch of people all under 16 to live in a house together.

23:17 Sorry. Children know. So they were all taken and sent to random orphanages across the state. Dorothea was alone for the first time in her life and orphanages were understaffed underfunded and A lot of horrible things happen to her. During that time for reference, you can assume that very much like the Indian schools that we are currently unearthing the horrors that happened in North America right now. Same kind of stuff happened at orphanages. Just any situation where like a few people are responsible for like a hundred children. I feel like that's a recipe for those children being horrific lie. Abuse. Yeah. Yeah. The Fiat nuns or anybody else.

23:59 It never goes well. Well. But Trudy, I mean a Dorothea only to stay there for a year when she was almost 10 years old, one of her aunts learned about Trudy's death. Her, aunt went about Gathering all the kids from all over California and it took the better part of 1939 to do it, and she brought them all back together in Fresno, California, the kids very much. We're like, we're just going to try and move on from this. And when Dorothea was asked about her childhood she told People that she'd grown up in Mexico and had moved to the US when she was 10 years old, she even learned Spanish and over time she repeated this life. So often that it, she was like, she believed it. It has no Dorothea had stability. She had friends, she was growing up to be a very beautiful young girl.

24:52 And then the state intervened again saying that this house that had like, four bedrooms was too small for the aunt and her children and Seven more children well which was shocking to Dorothea because she's like I grew up in a one-bedroom house with nine people. Yeah it is awesome. This is love just so much space. There is so much space for activities and they were like, yeah, no, you can't stay here. And they sent Dorothea and her siblings into foster homes. Oh my God. Why she lived in Fresno? L.a. Napa County. She was just consistently operated over and over again. And during that time period, she became kind of cold and stubborn. She would fight Foster families, even basic rules, kind of annoyed her because she'd been allowed to really come. And go her whole life except for the like year. She lived at the orphanage because nobody really cared unfortunately, by 16, Dorothea was tired of the foster home Shuffle.

25:50 She got a job dropped out of school. Moved out and cut ties with everyone. She knew she even stopped reaching out to her real family because that was going to mess up her, her story that she was telling people. After she had, she saved up a little bit of money. She moved to Washington State and she ran out of money on in Olympia. She met another teen girl on the bus and they wanted a little room in a motel now at this point Dorothea is petite blonde, bright blue eyes, got that nice new bottle skin with a tiny hint of a Mexican accent, So she was the Pinnacle of like 1940s Beauty and she followed in her mother's footsteps.

26:35 Now, 1945 was a really good year to be a prostitute in the u.s. because World War 2 was ending, soldiers were coming back from war, they had money and they hadn't seen a woman in years. Unlike her mother Dorothea, however, had a little bit better of a head for business and so she ended up renting two rooms so that both she and the girl could work and they stayed busy and made a lot of money. It that she started getting a regular client. He was 22 years old, and he's a soldier named, Fred McFall and he was spending, like, he liked her so much that he would look like a regular time slot to meet her and the timeslot afterward just so he could sit and talk to her. Oh, you cuddle time!

27:15 Nice, she laid on her tragic. Mexican backstory, has she lost both of her parents and she'd only been allowed to move here when she was. Ten years old, and then Frank proposed to her Weeks Later. Drew they didn't really have any other options though. She was like, all right. Okay unfortunately for Fred Dorothea was a hustler through and through. She stopped hooking when she realized he could provide for her. But she had gotten used to making a lot of money while she was running her little tiny brothel. So like silk dresses getting her hair done consistently, you know, Fine Wines. Like I was living it up and fried was like, Fine. If you want it, I'll give it to you. They got married in Reno a couple months later. All of Fred's family was in Nevada, so they were there. And so, then Dorothea tells them the story at the wedding that she the Mexican tragic backstory. But then she tells his family that they actually had met in the Philippines during the the Baton Death March. And the problem with that story is that that means that Fred would have met her when she was 13. I mean, yeah, which is not when he met her. The family just assumed that like she was drunk and we were like we're just gonna let this go fried assumes like she just doesn't want them to know that I

28:48 met her when she was a prostitute or she's just a liar. If I got a job in Gardnerville and they had a pretty wonderful honeymoon period full of a lot of sex and she actually began showering Fred with a little bit too much attention. He kind of was a little like if she just like really into me or she like a nympho Like he was in, this is odd because generally most men in their early twenties. Aren't looking at their teenage wife who wants to bang them. And going, this feels like too much. Oh my gosh. So, the first sign of something going wrong in this marriage was that Fred?

29:36 Can't like realize that she was an absolute Mass. She never lived in a household where she learned how to keep things tidy. It's true. She didn't know how to be a wife. She didn't know how to even be in a proper relationship. All she saw, in terms of adult relationships, were her drunk horny alcoholic parents. So that was a problem they would get into fights and of course she would respond by being even more sexual which didn't he didn't like it at all. Yeah. In fact Fred was like relieved when she got pregnant because he was like, great now, I don't have to fuck her. So like that, like nine month period, he's like awesome. I'm sure every time she came on to me was like, but the baby, I don't want to hurt the baby.

30:34 Yeah, just rest, honey. It's okay. Take a break. She ended up having a baby girl. Dorothea kind of hoped that she would be better than her own mother, but after she had the baby, she didn't really feel anything towards her own child. She barely looked after it and one night, Fred came home from work and the house was a complete wreck and the baby was crawling through like the garbage on the floor and still wearing the diaper that he put on the baby in the morning. Oh no. Three months after their daughter was born, Dorothea started like taking the baby to her. Mother-in-law's house and leaving in there all day and then his mother-in-law would call him.

31:16 Be like you have to come pick up the baby and he's like Mom, she's not good at being a mom, like please help her. And it only had seems like, oh, she didn't have a mom to look up to you. But, like, from a psychological perspective, some of my sources, believe that, because she never got to actually bond with an adult as a child in any meaningful way. At least it's possible. She didn't know how to bond with a child of her own. She's never done it. There's certain things that happen like from a psychological perspective that has to happen and they have to have it in a certain order and like, that's why I A lot of like that's why there's a big push right now for fathers to get paternity leave because the bonding period with infants is super important, right?

32:07 Right, right. As is the following couple years before even the baby can talk and like things like your kids ability to speak. Depends on how often you talk to your child. Yeah, definitely kids. Learn more like the essentially they get better at the basics by having access to both of their parents and so So like maybe because she never had that like, as soon as she was born, Trudy was just like a mother one. Poor baby. Yeah. And so Frank became kind of distant and he started avoided going home and so Dorothea was just like, you know, I'm just gonna drink a little bit.

32:48 Take the edge off a little know which only made things worse. She began cleaning the house, but mainly it was because she was literally home alone and bored. And so, Fred was like, oh, is this her attempt at, like reconciliation? No cleaning now. And so, Dorothea used sex and alcohol to kind of fill the void inside of her and Fred's. You dislike lustful behavior from her as a sign of Love, which he always had and she got pregnant again and Fred was like this time baby number two, she's gonna bond with baby. Number two, So when Dorothy has water broke Fred was at work. Hmm.

33:33 She went to the hospital alone. She gave birth and she told the hospital, she wanted to give the baby up for adoption. Oh she came home the next day? No baby bump and no baby and Frank was like where's the baby and and Maybe, at some point she might have thought about like lying. Oh, I had a terrible miscarriage. But like, at this point she was just so fucking done that. She just said, I gave it away. It's gone. Oh like Fred immediately like rushes to all the local hospitals because she won't even tell him where she gave birth. Yeah, he tries to get his suit his second daughter, but Dorothy had already signed the paperwork, and there was nothing. That could be done unsurprisingly, they got divorced in 1948.

34:19 Date Dorothea was 19 years old. Very little is mentioned about Fred and his daughter after this. So Dorothea run around apartment and the crappy part of l.a. expecting to jump back back into prostitution because she was like, well, it was good before, but 1948 was not as good of a year to be a prostitute as 1945. Also, she just given birth to two children. So she didn't have the exact perfect figure she had before, but she began Meeting clients at their homes, getting them wasted drunk waiting until they've passed out. And then robbing them of their checkbooks and valuable Nuke on. That is that's the way to get paid I guess. Well, this was successful at first, but in early 1949 police started, getting calls from bartenders about a young woman. Robbing, John's writing bad checks, the LAPD, LAPD said, but undercover operation and she got arrested within the week, right? Course, as she was only 19, the judge was pretty lenient. And she was sentenced to one year in prison, but they said she was eligible for parole after six months. in prison, she got in trouble for also not cleaning and so, Well, after you get in trouble enough for that, you start doing what you're supposed to do.

35:49 Yeah, she didn't make many friends right away because she really thought she was better than most of the other women in prison. Our attitude slowly shifted though after some time of just being straight. Lonely. Yeah. And she started to see the value of relationships at least in understanding that that she could get something from other people and they could get something from her. She got really, she got a lot better at telling her fake backstory, so it was less obvious that it was faked by. Now she was raised in Mexico sent to the Philippines rescued by a soldier at the death. March, he had a tragic heart attack. Just after they got married, truly a heartbreaking. Oh, my God.

36:31 That's so sad. It's going to keep its going to keep evolving as The Story Goes On. Oh, no, just got better at pickpocketing when she was and when she was in her cell, she practiced forging signatures. And then when she started talking to the other women in prison, they were like, listen the reason why you got caught like that is because you didn't change your pattern, enough police don't really even like arresting young pretty girls. So if Dorothea could just stay out of their way, when things got hot and change up, how she was robbing the men that the cop because the cops saw them as criminals to write. They were hiring prostitutes. I mean, so technically, they were also doing illegal stuff. They were like, well, if you do this, and you just kind of switch it up where you're going, and not going to the same. Cars everyday and stuff like that. She's like you'll get away with it too. She got a lot of prison, four months later. So that is two months before when she was supposed to be paroled.

37:24 Oh, okay. Some of L.A.'s, most successful escorts had told her the best places to meet rich men and which hotels wouldn't bother you. So she went back to Turning tricks. She moved from Riverside County to Downtown LA. She didn't have to Rob these men anymore. So the police kind of turned a blind eye to her. In fact some pretty prominent members of the LAPD were her customers Now, what's interesting to me here is that she was definitely significantly more successful than her mother by a long shot. But she was still spending the majority of her money not getting drunk. But she had expensive tastes, like I said, and they were causing her trouble. She only drink the finest alcohol. She wore Silk Stockings only.

38:06 She got new dresses and you had like weekly. She would eat out every night. Oh my god. Well, if you got the money too, I guess everything was going real good. Good then she got pregnant again since there was no access to abortion in 1950 and she couldn't work while she's pregnant. She had to kind of abandon her lifestyle. She gave birth in San Francisco in 1950. She told the adoption agency, that the father was just some guy. She hadn't bothered to learn his name, nor has she considered the consequences of taking an extra dollar from him to have sex without a condom.

38:46 She went back to prostitution. immediately course, and spend the next two years hunting for a husband, That is when she met axle now. Okay, so I saw his name listed in two different ways Johnson or Johansson, and I think the actual Swedish way was probably a Johansson but the Americanized version of his name was Johnson. So there you go. We have both. He was a Swedish Merchant Seaman who was looking to settle down in America their courtship was longer than usual because they only got to go on a couple dates before he got called back to Port. But whenever he docked, he made sure to call Dorothea.

39:27 She reinvented her past again, saying that her husband had died in 1948. She had been approached by a man at a department store. Who'd given her his card and told her that she could be a Rockette and she hopped on a plane to the east coast to audition. And she got the job because she was just so talented at dancing. But she wasn't ready to leave California, because she really loved her job as a chef in San Francisco. So, she would commute back and forth between California and New York. No, you would not when he ready. No, her job is a rocket ended when a girl dancing next to her, broke a heel and fell into her and they both fell into the orchestra pit and she broke her leg and the other dancer got paralyzed and that girl's husband ran off with another one of the Rockettes, why would you make that?

40:12 A little Side Story watching, that's her new story. So the tragic. So we solve the Mexican then sent to the Philippines, then came back then her husband died. Now, we have the rocket story at it, too. Ooh, it who commutes from California to New York? Who knows how Axl didn't really question her story? He was like, he just kind of loved her energy and he was just like, listen, even if this is probably not entirely true, she's fun. So he proposed. Oh God and so dirty. I really liked this setup because she's like, mmm feed him. Good sex them. Good, he goes on the boat leaves me alone for a couple. Months.

40:56 Sounds fun. She started burning through the money again though. Drinking. A lot of drinking. And usually what would happen is that she would just live like completely shitty and then when she got word that Axl was coming back, she clean it. She would clean everything up and be ready for him. But one time she was too drunk and he walked into the house and it was completely like a mess from top to bottom and he walks through the bedroom and she was passed out on their bed. And he beat the crap out of her. And because it was the 1950s and people didn't really there that they're like, neighbors might have been like my business prefer having a messy house.

41:45 It's fine. Yeah, he went back to the Sea. She got bored. She started drinking and spiraling again. Then she started bringing men home. Now, her neighbors, didn't realize she was turning tricks again. They just thought she was cheating, so they told Axl when he got home. Oh, no, no, no. This went on for years. He would beat her until she began to act, right? And then she would do whatever she wanted while he was on, you know, on the water and then She would do what he wanted while he was back on Shore.

42:28 She reinvented her backstory again, while they were still dating saying that she was like a holistic doctor and people kind of believed it because she brought like she had a lot of potions in her house. And like the neighbors would be like, yo, you know, what do I do about this word on my foot? And she be like I got you and she would go get like one of her little concoctions and give it to people and they worked but like she's are probably just like old wives tale. Al's. She's like, huh? but the problem was like her husband was like Where are you getting all these random real drugs from? And she's like, listen. He's like, also you never told me that you were like any kind of a doctor.

43:10 She's like, listen, listen, I learned about this in Mexico. I would travel with my mother to remote Villages. And so I learned by watching her and at this point axles, like, what is wrong with this woman? And he has her committed in 1961 was only because she's a liar. She's 32 years old, and she had pretty, All time at the San Francisco Marine Hospital. The problem is they didn't distinguish between people who were criminally insane versus those just in the middle of like a crisis, mmm, and the hospital also had a lot of six Sailors who were bringing in diseases from everywhere because they went all around the world. Yeah, at one point, axle actually had to step in because they were like, yeah, so we have her plan to be on the sterilization on this date and they were like, wait, what? Your sterilizing my wife, that's it. Does the hospital still had an active Eugenics program in the 60s?

44:07 Yeah. And for anybody listening, who doesn't know the these programs were specifically for mentally ill, disabled people, and sometimes they forced it on black women, as a means of population control. So that the bad people wouldn't have children. Furthermore, a lot of States paid out, like, in the 80s and 90s for forcibly. Sterilizing a lot of people across America. Fucking disgusting, you know, pretty much the way to deal with the mentally ill was to make sure at bare minimum. They couldn't make more mentally ill people because that's how that works. So, yeah, definitely the doctors found her a bit strange.

44:48 She was pretty normal except when it came to these constantly changing stories today. Dorothea might have been diagnosed as being narcissistic, maybe even psychopathy specifically because she had no ability to emotionally connect with anyone. And a distinct lack of empathy. As Burgers she well you think she would be on the Spectrum had to think about like the fact that she also had fetal alcohol syndrome before we even knew what that was right. So like maybe that's part of it too. Was there a brain development issue? We don't know. But they were like, she's obviously having hallucinations and she's a schizophrenic.

45:35 So like the reason why your schizophrenia gets like this, is because you're drinking so much, so stop drinking and go home and be with your husband. And that was the that was the diagnosis and the treatment. So that that was it. That was you just the medicine. Okay. If you stop drinking you'll be all right. I mean they weren't wrong, okay? It's just a regular, the wrong reason. Yeah, yeah, I mean, that was, that's right. But that's not right. That's how we treat schizophrenia though. Fail. Oh my God. So dirty. I had really like accepted being beaten by Axel because she was like Listen, I'm a really terrible wife so like I deserve it but she was not okay with the fact that he put her in a facility and the chasm very much grew between them. He kept putting off like going back out to sea because he was just like, I need to watch her and make sure she's okay. He eventually had to go back to work and he was like, fuck. When I get back, my house is going to be trash, is going to be awful, turns out.

46:40 He had nothing to worry about. When he got home, the house was perfect. It also was empty because Dorothea legit left as soon as he was gone. Oh, she packed up all her stuff and she moved She moved to Sacramento. She's now in her mid-30s. She's got the body of a 30, something year old lady, but she still smart. So she gets back in touch with some old friends who were prostitutes and she starts organizing. She sets up the women in a house. Takes a cut. Has a brothel. Oh, there you go. The early 60s. Were a good time to be a prostitute. Unfortunately, that's because just has a lot of progressive things going on in America at the time. Oh, right?

47:31 Yes. And unfortunately though she picked a house in a nicer neighborhood and her neighbors, reported her, the police did a sting operation, she and all the other women were arrested and I got to tell you the sting operation was ridiculous. So the front of the house was like a fake situation, right? And so a cop came in he pretended to be like a good trucker and like She like told him about all the different girls, explain them all? Like what they offered, he was like, I don't like any of them and so she was like I can give you a blowjob if you want like and you pay for it and he was like, yeah. Now you're all going to jail. What the hell? I was like, I don't want what, what?

48:12 Yeah, that's how I feel about that story too is because she offered I think so. Is that why? Okay, I mean okay, well they was you got arrested though she told the police she had. Idea, that place was a brothel and she was just there. Visiting one of her friends. Yeah. They were talking about blow jobs and stuff, she got 90 days in jail and she made the best of it. She ran into a snag though because they were like, we really don't want to release you without a real address. But Axl wasn't picking up the phone. He was filing for divorce and he had been told by his lawyers don't respond because that can mess things up. So she got released and then she immediately got arrested again. Again, for vagrancy and put back in prison for another 90 days, which I gotta tell you, that just seems like a setup. So, she has lost a house that she had. Oh yeah, they took it back.

49:05 Oh goodness. She wish pretty shocked. That axle wouldn't help her because they had been together for, like, 10 years. She thought like dang, not even only been gone for like three months. Yeah, but he was barely there, you know, true. Anyway, well in prison, she became a health expert. And prisoners came to her for advice. And this time when she got out, she became a nurse aide for the elderly, the very go. It was boring work and it paid crappy because she was an ex-con now, but it was a safe job. She started cooking for herself when she would cook with their clients to save her own cash and they didn't seem to care.

49:45 Even though it was technically stealing, but they were like, yeah, she's a good cook and she wants to sit here and eat with me. So, whatever occasionally meds went missing but they were like maths, doctor will send more. And they did soon. The alcohol started going missing with the food then she's just started out right ceiling from herbaceous. She would use their own meds to put them to sleep and then she would steal money from them or just lay around doing nothing at work. She retired from private, nursing in 1966 after several patients died and she didn't want people connecting the dots. She managed to avoid going to jail for these because when autopsy I performed the patients had only the drugs that had been prescribed to them in their system and it wasn't like high enough doses to kill them. But technically, there's a belief that her total kill count is actually 15 because during this time period, like six of her patients died.

50:47 Interesting. So if we add those in and technically she would have start killing people in the 60s but technically like Like this was more neglect than outright choosing, the murder somebody, right? Yeah. Regardless she took the all that money. She bought a large house at the corner of 21st and F Street. She knew the state wouldn't give her a license to run a boarding house since she had so many solicitation charges on her record, but she's just gonna do it anyway. Oh, oh, okay, I just really enough. Like she's listed here as being only in her late 30s. But looking easily 20 or 30 years. Older, the years of drinking And just the lifestyle were hard on her life.

51:29 Hm. Also she was just tired. Like she needed help to get the rooming house, ready. So she reached out for workers within the Hispanic Community, the local immigrants came out to help and there she met Roberto point. They they met and fell in love. Not really. He was looking to have a future in the US and he noticed whenever they were doing stuff, and walked by that, she stared at him real hard and he knew what that meant. So their relationship moved from business to personal, she, let the other workers go and he became the full-time. Handyman at her boarding house and when I say this was a big house for tea rooms, oh, massive, she gave him a place to live and eat and also if he wanted to sex, but they were not couple, like, he was like 20 and she was like 40 and her. Hair was turning white, and it was pretty obvious that he was using her, but she was also using him. So it felt a little, alright?

52:34 The house opened in 1966, the rooms fill up immediately. The state is full of disabled and homeless people, because some of the The hospitals were beating deinstitutionalized and shut down. So people need places to live. And so the social workers would call her and there were like, hey, do you have space in here? You know, this person gets an SSI, check for the rent, she charged. She would also cook for all of her tenants and do their laundry. They thought she was a saint now really, she was checking their clothing for Wayward cash and stealing things from them. But regardless, of course, and 1968 Dorothy and Roberto travel to Mexico.

53:18 City had an extravagant wedding with her fanciest wedding to date. She loved Mexico and didn't want to go home. When we got back though, with the citizenship secured Roberto started looking for others. He apparently never stopped dating other women. Like, even like while they were dating before, he was like dating women like in the early to because he was 20 and like in the early 20th, I mean yeah. And he didn't Want to have sex with Dorothea like at all. Oh no. As soon as he could, he moved to a spare bedroom in the house saying is because she snored. now, he never brought a woman back to the house because he knew the tenants adore Dorothea and they would tell on him, but He would be seen out in public with other women and Dorothea, was becoming this respected member of the community because she was doing so much for this Panic Community, she was done. Like I'm going to get more of that in a little bit but so people would call her and be like we saw your husband with a lady.

54:24 But Dorothea was just like, honestly, I don't care. Just make sure you don't embarrass me. Oh my God. So back to why people thought she wasn't saying so She started donating a lot of money to charity this glamorous life that she'd always wanted and lied about became real. She had dinners with Pat Brown. Ronald Reagan, Clint Eastwood actually, funny story with the cleat Clint Eastwood dinner that she had, it was for like a republican like thing at dinner and she was annoyed because Clint Eastwood cared more about like his date that he brought with him. Then her own. Oh imagine that She created this like reputation, we're like a very much legitimised. Her folks would never accuse her of stealing from them, and if they did, when the police talked to her, it was immediately dropped.

55:19 Like she had a little office and her office was full of pictures of her shaking hands with celebrities and like who you believe this respected beloved woman who donates to Charities and schools all over the community or a mentally ill person who lost a ring maybe sometime in the last Ear. Well based on movies, I'm going to say the mentally ill person. Roberto kind of enjoyed. Being a husband who didn't have to do anything. In fact, he stopped doing his job as a handyman, he would show up to take pictures for the fancy dinners, but that was about it. They started arguing a lot, he check out. He had checked out of the marriage entirely and when he officially left, Drifter Thea was already over him one day she like was gone to the house and she checked his room and it was empty. She pocketed, she like she did with any other tenant. She cleaned it up pocket, anything that seemed valuable and felt a sense of relief, she was back to relying on herself. The only person she could depend on Ice, no one to embarrass me. Of course, in the eyes of the community, her husband abandoned her, and so they were like, well, you know, it's understandable that she's been going to bars looking for people.

56:29 Yeah. She started going after much older, man. Who are receiving checks tensions? Some of those men ended up as ten minutes at her house and others. She just robbed after having sex with them and drugging them. Police started getting reports of a glamorous older woman robbing men, she's being risky here but she didn't get caught doing this. 1976 she's 47 years old. She meets her next husband, Pedro Montalvo, he was an alcoholic at a bar who she picked up with the intention of robbing him. Turned out. She kind of liked him so she didn't drug them and they ended up sitting in her apartment above the boarding house.

57:13 Just talking all night. Oh cool, that's cool. He moved. It almost immediately. They had a small ceremony at the local church, which wasn't legit because she was still married to Puente, but she didn't feel like being bothered by the divorce. Doesn't he had ran off anyway, who cares? Well, this was pretty short lived because it happened within like a month as soon as Pedro moved in. He Reveals His true nature. He wanted his woman to submit to him and when Dorothea would not, he would hit her. When he got drunk, his temper was like unpredictable and while Dorothy was no stranger to violence first from her dad, then from her second husband, like this was very different in response to those random attacks, she stopped going back up to her apartment and would spend time with her residents, who thought she was amazing.

58:06 So, Pedro was like mad because not only is his wife being disobedient, but now she's being absent, but he couldn't hit her in front of the tenants. And so, then, I'm like two months after their random wedding, he just leaves. Yay. Okay good. Fuck out of here. It's wasted drunk ends up in a different state, and this is the last man that Dorothea would reach out to on her own cool. She started her Bar Crawl again, but this time was different. She was kind of revolted and just generally disgusted by men. Instead of robbing them, she would get enough information from them while they were drunk change, their address to her boarding house.

58:46 Also, you are still reacting to me saying she was revolted by men. Yes, I was just wanted to comment on it. I mean, yes, that that happens after a while you just you just get fucking tired. Men like, bro, y'all suck. I'm always there, I'm somewhere on the line like it. This is a thin line of like, maybe I'd like to know they suck. Oh my God. Okay, sorry. But right, so what she was doing, when she would talk to them while they were at the bar, she'd write down their information when they weren't looking and then she would change their address to her party house.

59:27 No one questioned it since boarding houses, have so many people moving in and out constantly. And so, by the time, the men got their checks, rerouted back to her, she had collected like one or two months worth of pension. Hmm, she invested her that money into a restaurant because after her time Talking to rich people. She was like, hmm, rich people make more money by putting their money into other businesses. So she got a business partner named Ruth Munroe. At first, your Thea was the cook at this restaurant that they purchased and then when she got tired of doing regular work and like went back to the boarding house Ruth was cool because she was just like, listen, the business is making enough money to support itself and workers, you're good, they became friends and that made Dorothea feel strange.

1:00:13 JH, since she had never spent time with anyone who just wanted to be nice to her and accept nothing in return. Imagine that 1982, one of her front of the police department is like, listen, they're building a case against you for all these government checks that have bounced through your place, there was nothing to rob the drugging and the robberies to her, but some of the men who she defrauded were pretty open with the police and connections are being made. And then because that was now a thing. The police were like, well, maybe we should look into the allegations from her previous tenants.

1:00:54 You need to figure out what to do because she was going to go to jail for a long time. So Ruth's husband had cancer and the doctors were going to stop, prescribing him pain meds because like at this point they felt like he's just going to die and you're delaying the inevitable. The cost of his care was a lot so she sold her house to pay for his care and since she had nowhere to go, our kids have moved out to other states through Thea, offered her Space in her own apartment above the boarding house. Ruth was kind of surprised but she accepted the offer. And Ruth was treated like a queen there. Like trivia was kind and caring and attentive.

1:01:35 And Ruth is like, wow, no wonder so many people want to live here and then Ruth started getting sick first. She just started feeling a little sluggish, then encouraged by Dorothea. She started drinking to calm her nerves. That, of course, allowed Dorothea to continue drug occur. In early April of 1982 Ruth son. William Clausen came to visit her. When he found out that she was sick, he was surprised to see her sitting on the couch laughing with a crème de menthe in her hand, which is honestly not a good drink but that's beside the point. It's just nasty liquor. It's a it's crowded in math. Isn't as cement drink. Yeah. It's a it's a freaking cordials a mixer. Yeah, you don't just drink that but apparently back, then, you did gross.

1:02:22 Yeah. So but Ruth was like, this is my friend with Thea, you know, we run a business together, she used to be a nurse so she's taking care of me, William was suspicious, but he couldn't really figure Dorothea out. He was like, listen, I never even heard of this woman until a couple weeks ago. Hmm, But like she seemed like on paper like a really incredible person of course. And he went back home. The Southland Park by the end of April, Ruth was dead. With the other investigations against her Dorothea was definitely a suspect but the detectives couldn't find any evidence to show that she was the murderer. You know, Dorothea played the distraught friend, I can't believe my friend, we have to close our business. Now, I can't run it without her, they won't even do that detectives needed something.

1:03:14 And so, Dorothy had told them that. Well, she's been really depressed lately. She had to sell her husband, her house or husband's dying. She'd been drinking a lot, the corner discovered that she had Had overdosed on her own medicine, alcohol, and over-the-counter drugs. They ruled this as a suicide. Lou son was not happy about this, but he was just like, well, they have a joint account, my mom and Dorothea. He's like, so I'm just going to watch and see if Dorothea drains the account, The Joint business account and if she does, I'ma come for her, I mean, but she has to close her business now anyway. So what is she just closed the business account then? Well, technically, I think if you have a joint business account and and the money would be split evenly between both people.

1:03:57 So he was looking for her. Do something illegal. Okay. This was directly as first real official murder, but she was not an idiot. She knew the police were watching her and all of her and police informants were just like, listen, I can't tell you anything else other than go get a good attorney. Yeah. She knew if she took Ruth money right away, she get caught. So her plan was to not drain the account until she was in Mexico. So she booked a trip to Mexico. The cops got wind of it and they grabbed her just as she was getting in a taxi with her luggage. The problem with that was they wanted to take their time because they had 30 fraud cases against her.

1:04:37 But they grabbed her too soon. And so in fact, only three of those fraud cases were actually finished. The investigations were finished and so the judge was just like, I can't hold her for Stuff work you haven't done yet. And yeah, so he was in the judge was also kind of moved by the fact that she was. So, giving to the community, he really gave her the benefit of the doubt, and gave her five years in prison for three investing for the three of us. Investigations that have been completed. He said that there would be parole afterward. It was a weird parole rule, though. So, her parole was that she could never run a boarding house or work with people of a diminished capacity, pretty much ever again. Which were the people who she made a fortune exploiting. And then they said, I just Sacramento County Jail. In jail.

1:05:30 She was an older woman. She was known to be the prison gossip, which kind of allowed her to kind of pass through all the gangs with no issue. She even talked to the guards and pass along information which was her fatal flaw, not fatal, but a big flaw. She told the guards who have been responsible for an assault on another enemy and the response to that was that Dorothea got beaten within an inch of her life in the shower and left for dead. She got Were to the hospital Wing. They wrapped her broken ribs. And then they put her in solitary and they were like, we'll just keep her here until this blows over and that was a year. Oh, It also caused a whole ripple effect in the prison.

1:06:16 That was pretty awful too, because she given them the names of the people who were in charge of these attacks who were, like gang leaders. So they were all also in solitary, and then there was nobody to keep the gangs in check. So, like everything was real quiet. Yes. But what the attack on her did do was, he told everybody else don't talk to the guards. So from solitary, she started writing letters in prison. She's not responding to like those prison pen pals and those letter she could be whoever she wanted and she could take as long as she wanted to tweak the story and make it more believable. One man wrote to her every day. His name was ever seen, Gil - he was retired. He lived in Oregon a widower with children who never visited him.

1:07:03 He was a loving man who was very lonely and I became friends. And then he started sending her commissary money by the time, she went back to gen. Pop the letters had turned very serious and the two were making plans together. Ever seen, was the man that Dorothea wished, she had met, when she was 16, the kind of person who she, you know, kind of bright. I'd hoped to had meet the problem was at 54 years old, that little girl was long on, right? Yeah, ever seen was talking to a woman who killed her best friend for a ticket to Mexico. It's just a different kind of gal. Yeah, when she was released in 1985, on parole ever seen, picked her up their relationship lasted for three months.

1:07:48 Her big boarding house have been sold because she owed four thousand dollars in restitution to the victims to pay back the money that was stolen her. She couldn't buy it back from whoever had purchased it because It was being like renovated, right? Everson helped her get a new smaller house and her own apartment down the street. They opened a joint account together to prepare for their wedding and he put He would put like the rent money in there was like $600 which is still a lot of money because the $600 in 1985 way different than $600 in 2021. That's true. So I must have been a pretty nice apartment. Iverson had his very large pension directed to their joint account and this was so they could show their income to the bank when they were going to eventually buy a house together. Even though all of her wealthy friends in abandoned, her the social workers of Sacramento loved her. And they were just like, you got a new house. We got people and nobody else will let these people stay anywhere.

1:08:55 What the hell? No, guys you, what are you doing? So this time her boarding house became the worst cases people who are seriously mentally ill, very drug and alcohol dependent criminal people who couldn't get a place to stay that way if they disappeared in a month. Nobody cared. Oh ok NVM thing that what you're doing a verse in more than likely didn't realize the truth until he found himself. Also going through what Ruth went through. Because he died too. That's why I hid or their relationship was so short. She drugged him as well. Now, Dorothea new of ever since body made it to a corner that it would be identical to what happened to Ruth. So she was like, his body has to disappear. So she wrapped him in sheets like bed sheets, then plastic sheeting.

1:09:49 Then she started contacting some ex-cons folks new in the area. You work for Dorothea, you don't ask questions, you do your job, you make a lot of money. So she had hired a bunch of different guys to help with getting the regular house ready and one she ended up like connecting with his name was SML Flores and she was just like, listen I need you to build some special stuff for me. She asked him to build a box that was six feet long and she wanted him to deliver that to her apartment because she was gonna be moving things from her apartment to the rooming house. And then Then she wanted him to build a bookcase in her room in the boarding house and then she was going to put books in the the the coffin Shaped Box.

1:10:44 She asked me to build the 6-foot bodice six-foot-long box, which is doesn't make any sense? Then she bought him a car like a truck. And she said, hey, once you're done building the book house, I'll fill the thing and you can, you know, cart a box of book. We could will take you to the boardinghouse, the box of books being ever since body. She then she nailed it shut. And he was like, that's kind of weird. She's like, that's so nothing falls out. Oh yeah, of course we took a taxi ride, a very weird, a taxi ride where and where she was like, turn left turn, right, turn this way and then she told them to go to the Garden Highway in, Sutter County and she's Like, you know what? I've changed my mind.

1:11:27 I don't want this box. Let's just throw it. Oh, the highway off the highway because it was an area where people dispose of a lot of junk, it was right on the edge of a river. Okay. And so it's mail picked it up and chucked over the edge. You know, I spent all this time on this box. You just want to throw it away. Well, it smells like she was really happy with me but then like she didn't hire him anymore. Yeah. He was like, you know what? I got paid and also like I also got a free car from this job. So I'm just gonna like Not question it. Yeah, don't yeah. Yeah. Early 1986 everson's body is discovered on the banks of the river by a fisherman.

1:12:11 The 6-foot box looked exactly like a coffin. The police were called with the body was like horrific lie, decompose the plastic wrap and the heat of California had caused it like to rapidly decompose and so nobody could identify him and he was filed as a John Doe, he wouldn't be identified for another three years. The day, went back to her. Check fraud days and she was making about five thousand dollars a month here. So, what she would do is she would kind of Stack her Rooming situations. So like, if somebody was a drunk and she knew that that drunk was going to get like had gotten popped by the cops, and Michael gave me he'll for 30 days because that's pretty normal. Then she would have somebody else come stay and she would collect the money from that person and then that person got caught.

1:13:00 And so she was like stacking them like that, like back and forth. She also would do this thing with some of her tenants were before the mail, like before anybody else, even woke up, she would stop and get the mail. She would take all Checks and she would pay them like a stipend. Of course, weirdly though, older and older people were like, they wanted to board with her and stay and she's like, I'd only one people to stay because I want them to keep moving so I can steal from them. All the while this is happening her parole officers and parole agents, visit the boarding house and they never report that she is flagrantly. Violating her parole. Yeah. Because you're not supposed to have a brick and boarding house. Nope, tenant start going missing. So, August 19th, 1986.

1:13:49 Betty Palmer, 77 years old goes missing. After she goes to a doctor's appointment, a few weeks, later Dorothea has an ID card with her own face on it, but Betty's name, hmm, to get her benefits. February, 1987 78 year old Leon, a carpenter goes, missing after being discharged from the hospital, sleeping and sleeping. Under these couch, she wasn't even like a full tenant. There was no space for his crash, and yeah. James Galbraith, 62. He went missing July 1987. He just got in treatment for a brain tumor and told his doctors he was moving to 14:26 F Street. October 1987 62 year-old Vera Martin moves into the boarding house. Never heard from again.

1:14:34 Dorothy Miller, 64 also goes missing that month. October 1987 Burt Montoya, arrived in February of 1988 and as soon as Dorothy is started helping with his financials, he went missing two when other intense asked about him. She told them, he gone to visit his family in Mexico. Now just before Burt disappeared, the Department of Social Services, got wind of her illegal, rooming house and decided to pay her a visit the inspectors knew of her past, but they were like, it seems like she's cleaned up. Her act, everything is above board here. She also hired a handyman and they called him Chief, and the neighbors noted that Chief was seen digging around the property and building here, e cemented the basement.

1:15:19 Also cemented a slab of concrete in the backyard. And then he also went missing. Oh, right? The first person to be persistent with her suspicions was Peggy. Nickerson a social worker, who had sent several people to Dorothea, and she couldn't get in contact with them anymore. And Dorothea was like, listen, they come and go, you know, how the transient folks are. And she's like, if they come back I'll let them back and Peggy was like sure. But just to be safe she didn't send anybody else to Dorothy as house ever again. Next person to disappear was Benjamin think he was 55 and he went missing April of 1988. He was last seen.

1:16:02 After Dorothea told other tenants, she was going to take him upstairs and like be his nurse. Never seen a gap so it's just it's November 7th 1988, there's another social worker named, Judy moist, she was Burt, social worker, that's just his nickname. His name is actually much longer, he's like five Spanish names, but My God and she was just like she told the police Bert doesn't he's not the type of run away. I don't think he went to his family and it's also because like one day Judy like went to go see Bert and Dorothea told Judy, oh, he's sick right now, you can't go in there.

1:16:48 He's like quarantine from everybody else and she's like, oh, when he feels better, I'm going to go check on him and then the next day she's like he got a call from his sister and he went to Mexico. Like these are not good lies. Uh-huh. Yeah, not consistent and doesn't make sense. He's just sick. Uh-huh. The police accepted of the complaint and they went to talk to the Dorothea while they were there. Another tenant past one of the officers and note that said she is making us live for her. By chance, one of the police officers who had been there. His name was John Cabrera was at the store later that day, buying cigarettes at the same time. As the tenant who passed him.

1:17:29 A note that tenants name was John Sharp. The two decided to stop at a cafe and talk. Now, this happened, like hours later. He had gone back to the police precinct and done a little search on John Sharp, just to make sure like, they didn't have a history, right? And that he wasn't, like, trying to set Dorothy up. So then he was really interested. He was like well fancy meeting you here. Let's go have lunch and sharp didn't know all the details but he also like it was a pretty bleak picture that he like painted. You know, holes being dug in the garden overnight and then like three Thea was building this elaborate Garden every time these like weird you know? Yeah disappearances happen.

1:18:14 You know things getting It in concrete guess getting sick. As soon as they arrived, the sickly sweet smell in the house, blamed on rats or fish. Emulsion in the yard Dorothy is spending habits getting outrageous. So, November 11th, four days. Later. Cabrera is like, let me see if I can do something. He was not new to the forest. He had been on previous serial-killer cases. Mmm. So he comes with the intention that they're going to dig up something that day, but he just shows up initially leaves the, the shovels in the car. He brings a parole, her parole officer and a couple other uniforms.

1:19:00 Pretty is all smile. She offers them T. She lets them walk around the house. They don't see anything out of the ordinary though. Her room smelled. What kind of weird she told him, it must be a dead, right? Under the floorboards and she was very embarrassed about it. Cabrera was like, Hey, you know, you told me the other day that You like burry the trash for here for like compost? I'm just worried that. Like, there could be some evidence from that trash, you know, you didn't realize it was evidence, can we like poke around a little bit and so They both knew what this was, Dorothea knew that she had to let him do it because if she said, no, then everybody who walked out of her house that day was going to be suspicious of her.

1:19:49 So she said, yes, because she was like, screw it. They're not going to find anything. Hmm. They find trash. They find like old beef jerky and piles of trash like you know and Dorothy has their oh so sad. They're ripping up my beautiful garden. You know, later on fact, so horrible. It get to the point where like they've dug pretty deep and like Cabrera is like fed up. He jumps into the hole, he pulls on a route with all her strength and it pops out and he sees a human shin bone. Here you go. That's what you're Come here, buddy. In fact, he hadn't been pulling on a root at all. He had been pulling part of part of the leg bone. Oh, out of the ground, you had already found what? You're looking for Buddy.

1:20:35 He didn't realize what it was because he's just a regular cop. He's not a CSI. Yeah, he didn't arrest the fake stunned, Dorothea. She was just like because the problem was they were looking for Bert, who would only really been fate. Only been filing missing like a couple days before. There's no way that a body skeleton. You know, it's skeletonized. That's not the right word becomes the skeleton in a couple weeks at best. You know what I mean, skeletal. That's why I wrote my notes, but I was too excited. But yeah, there's no way to a body can become a scheme, come skeletal and just a couple days. So he's just like I have to get a warrant so we can do more surgery.

1:21:23 The next day, it's a Friday. It takes some time to get the warrant Saturday forensics team descends on the property. They're like so yeah. That will you thought was jerky. Not jerky. That's mummified human flesh. Oh no. And they were like, well, we got some good news and some bad news for you because these remains are woman. So this is not Burt Montoya, but it's a body, you got a body, one Dorothea saw them. Look at the concrete slabs. She dresses in this like elaborate fancy red outfit puts like Or grand in cash, in her purse, walks out to the police. And she's like, am I under arrest officer and prepare is like?

1:22:10 No. No. She's like, well, I'm really like, you know, a little like unsteady. I want to go get a coffee at the hotel that I'm going to stay at, because she can't stay there because this is a crime scene. So he's like, oh absolutely, I'll drive you there myself. Hm. They uncovered seven bodies that day. One of the watches on the body was still ticking. Meaning that this body was fairly recent, right? The reason why her her apartment, her little room. Smelled gross is because she Remove the Jaws.

1:22:55 In a forensic, countermeasure. In fact, apparently, they found like a set of, like, part of a jaw outside of her window, like, on a Ledge. Oh, my God. Had tried to throw them out back, like hide them. So that smell it. Her room was from actual decomposition. Gross. The police were, like, yeah, we need to go talk to her. She was gone, of course, and the police are very embarrassed because they definitely just let a serial killer walk out of her house. Yeah, that was your fault. The FBI gets called, they start tracking bus stations trains, airports, she books a fake flight to LA in her own name, but she never took the fight because she wanted to send them on a wild goose chase. Instead, she hides in a hotel in downtown LA called The Royal Viking the public and the Press Hammer, the police, they're like making fun of them for letting her go. And she kept a low profile at first. And then she got bored.

1:23:58 So she went to a bar fucking bored. She's completely out of place in this city Downtown Bar, and she introduced herself as Donna Johnson and she talked all night with a young man of gentleman and flirted with him. He told her he'd take her shopping the next day and he went home, and he was just like, I think, I think dhamma is the lady on the news. So he called CBS because he was like, I don't know if I want to call. 111 if I'm wrong. So he called CBS and they put them online with the assignment editor. And the assignment editor was like, oh, this could be big. You call the cuff before you call the damn reporters, okay, he called the reporters.

1:24:40 Oh my God. So first to CBS guy was like, well, watch a news story, and see if it's her. And so he watched a new story but like they didn't show a picture of her and so then the news editor came and showed like a peak like a picture print out of her. And he was like, I think this could be her and he's like all right how about this tell her you're going to come see her tonight. and so, He convinces. Just this man to go. Tell her I'm going to meet you. I'll come see you tonight at the Viking and at 10:20 p.m. this man shows up with CBS and the cops if she gets arrested on TV, okay.

1:25:22 I mean in any other circumstances is how people die true when like doing it. Been that kind of a killer like yeah pop pop and randoms. Yeah absolutely but like honestly that point she was cornered so she just Went over to her purr. They were like excuse me ma'am are your two thiet Dorothea Puente and she was just like she went over to her purse. Pulled out our wallet and was like this is I'm yeah it's me, here's my ID let's just take me in. Yeah she got arrested, no bail her lawyers tried to argue that the trial was going to be a media circus. This would hurt her, she was going to have a fair trial. The prosecution was like she's a cold-blooded killer and there is nothing that we can do to like change that. Yeah we can't make it any worse.

1:26:05 Yeah. Yeah, the judge ruled that the trial is going to go as planned. So June, 19th 1990. Dorothea Puente stands trial for nine. Counts of murder. Her lawyers. Did a really good job, and they got it. Pushed off until February 9th. 1993. Oh, yes, they were able to file enough motions and get things shifted around that. It took three years. Oh, Her trial, they were 153 Witnesses. 3,500 pages of evidence that were shared and the jury did not deliberate begin deliberations until July 15th.

1:26:45 Oh, my God. So, nearly five months of a trial and they were well aware that the prosecution was seeking the death penalty. Days pass. Nothing's heard from the jury. August 2nd. The judge receives a note that says we are deadlocked on all nine counts, we need further instruction, the defense is like, oh perfect mistrial, but the judge is just like no, no go back. Go through the evidence try again. Hmm. August 26, 1993, they have a decision before a pack Kirk courtroom the court clerk reads the verdict guilty of the crime of Murder in the second degree against Leona Carpenter guilty of the crime. Murder in the first degree of Dorothy Miller, guilty of the crime of Murder in the First Degree, Ben Fink. They were locked on the last six. Hmm they couldn't make up their mind. I think it was like 7 to 5.

1:27:45 So with that, there was also they also have the allegation under special circumstances. That found Dorothea Puente had committed multiple murders, including Everson Hearing the verdict. The judge move to declare a mistrial on those other six counts. Those other six victims did not receive Justice, and that included and I wrote his name here Alvaro Jose Rafael Gonzalez. Bert Montoya. Just want to help. I had so many names random is Burton and that was his nickname. I don't know where it came from. But, uh, Burt did not get Justice. Yeah, December 11th 1983.

1:28:28 Judge verga hands down the sentence. Dorothea Puente will be committed to life in prison without the possibility of parole that day in court with news cameras and writers she turns and looks at her attorney and goes I didn't kill anyone. Okay. She was incarcerated at the central. California women's facility in Chowchilla, conform California, where she maintained her innocence for the rest of her life. Come on her borders. Had died of natural causes and they didn't have money for a burial anyway. So she just put them in the backyard. Look, you already got caught?

1:29:14 Why do you? Why you need to keep lying? Ironically she died in prison, March 27th. 2011 of actual natural causes. She was 82 years old and I thought sends the crazy story of Dorothea. Helen Gray, Mick foul. Johansson Puente Montalvo, which, at one point she did go by all of those names, which is the noxious, yeah. Okay, Daenerys owed. Are you? Okay? Dorothea Targaryen woman of sex. Names. But regardless I mentioned earlier off-camera but like the sources for today's were so fun. Like we had few just fantastic names for books like human Harvest by Daniel Blackburn.

1:30:04 The Bone Garden by William would Disturbed ground by Carla Norton. Everybody just had a field day with these books. These are like horror story books. Yes, they were great and I Mistresses of Mayhem was a book about all women criminals. I like that. Yeah, title that one. I might have to buy that. Yeah it has original author's name is Francine was Salah but I also saw a copy where I guess like her last name change and it's also says hornberger. Hmm, so you're married God. Yeah, I guess you're right. Got married. But yeah, that's it for me. Sorry. Little long. But, oh my God, lady was nuts. That was a was a while, right?

1:30:46 Just, this is all those interesting ones because this isn't somebody who I think like, yeah, sure. She suffered from she was a pathetic constantly, right? But she didn't have the typical. She didn't torture animals. She didn't, you know what her bed when she was 15? She didn't have any brain damage though. We're not quite sure about that, good luck, all syndrome. But like for the most part, this was just like a continuous Life Of Crime. That's low. We escalated over time. So very interesting though. Yeah, let's say it's very interesting. Well, what are we learning about today? Huh. Okay, well today, I don't even have like a proper intro for mine honestly because I was like, I don't know how to describe these things.

1:31:35 I'm going to be talking to you after your conspiracy Crypt intro. I don't think you could do better. I don't think I could. Um, so, this week, I will be discussing some things. Okay so answer me this. Yeah um have you ever like driven or getting, you know, dribble around or walked around and seeing like something just strange just like our ordinary. You mean like glitches in The Matrix strange? Um no. But that's a, we could talk about that one day. This interesting topic.

1:32:15 He said, one day. Yeah, that's a weird ride. That's right. And idea for next week is, what do you mean? Um, like something like an abnormality, like something creepy or something strange out in the wild of the world. I'ma stop you right there because I don't go into the wild but I'm a city kid. I mean, it was just really amazed the concrete jungle outside of your house is the wild No. No. What I think of the Wilds. I think of like the woods. No, we don't do Woods here. Okay. But continue.

1:32:58 Well today I'll be talking about some creepy things that happen out into in the world, okay? Um over the past couple years recent yeah about like five years ago. Okay. That's extra creepy because it's like now, yeah, just warning. This is probably not going to be very paranormally. Okay. Episode. But you know, it's gonna be creepy, know, five years ago, seems like song. Now, like honest covid made last year seemed like a lifetime.

1:33:41 This is true last year was long as your yeah. Like 2016. My beautiful daughter was born, my life was shitty, but it's not because of my no. Not because of my daughter being born. It was just I was just in this shitty shitty yinz energy. Oh, one major thing. Besides my daughter being born that comes to mind whenever I think of 2016 Is those creepy creepy clown? Sightings oh yeah, I remember that. That was that really that long ago? Yeah. 7:16 bra.

1:34:31 Some of those were like legit. I've seen like people CCTV, footage of, like, folks and clown costume showing up with knives at people's houses. It's the other reasons why I'm happy. I will then, and there is no little peep hole on my door. Yeah, we just slide that lock Walk and never look hmm. No I myself have not run into any of these fine people standing on you know the side of the road or sending in parking lots but other people have. I remember somebody in a clown costume getting stabbed and I think the UK Wow, I did not see because the person was scared.

1:35:16 I believe it. Like, and it was like the first of the clown had a knife to. Yeah. It was just the other person also, like they were, yeah, they were more prepared to use her life and protect your life because your creepy ass clown in the costume. Fear. That's it's an irrational fear for some people. So when people are presented with those, they go into like immediate fight or flight response, right? I've seen people scream butterflies. That's what I that's another one of those and falls under there too. Yes. Um fear of clowns coulrophobia well see you knew the name? Yes.

1:35:58 Yeah. And so it's pretty common. It's, yeah, it's really common. Yeah. It's, you know, it's funny about the butterfly thing. I just remember being in high school and I was, you know, you stay home and watch Maury and they had those episodes, you know, phobia episodes and was person was like afraid of balloons, I believe and they just robbed Luna and he started screaming. I was just like, wow, that's a I know people have told me that part of the balloon. Fear is the not knowing when it'll pop, mmm. And the Butterfly thing is like, Fact that it still bugs and bugs move in a way that is technically kind of creepy. I mean, yeah. But I'd like I get the balloon thing because I people cry because of butterflies.

1:36:44 Side note, I just learned recently that butterflies will eat almost anything that's dead. Yeah, it's a, it's really so they are beautiful monsters. That will definitely devour your body. It just take a really long time. Yes. Um but yeah enough of the Clowning Around let's get let's get to the meat of this. All right? I know. Now 2016 was not the first appearance of creepy clowns, okay, hanging around. I'm just going to go down a dates and tell you these instances, 2013.

1:37:27 Okay, there were several Sightings over creepy. Clown in Northampton England. Oh no. This clown. Look like, I guess Pennywise his brother. Okay. And it was created by three filmmakers, Alex. That isn't a pea or D, I can never remember this year. I know I can't ever remember what I write. Alex, pal, Elliot Simpson and it Luke This was like for a movie Blonsky. Yes. Okay. So they were pretty much trying to get hits to her so they made a Facebook page so that happens a lot in California. Mmm.

1:38:10 They do stuff like a random haunted house in the middle of like Town. Yeah, they just build for like a day and then people walk through and it's like come look at our new movie that comes out next month, so no and house. Yeah. Oh God, see, 2014 had some creepy clown. Counts as well, a YouTuber, his YouTube handles DM Pranks. Okay. You dressed up as a clown to creep. Pastor buyers out and and Cal I guess that's an anti mr. B's. Yeah, that's Ruby's. Gives money makes people happy. This guy dresses up like a crown and frightens people in California.

1:38:52 And same year, there was a clown. That was Nick. There's a creepy clown of course it was. Nicknamed the Waco clown? Down since that's where it appeared the most. That one sounds familiar to me. Hmm. 2015. Okay, had a brief spotting OB creepy Crown. So this happened in Chicago. This I like this story. It's fucking creepy is so weird. Okay. So two people were out late at night. When you see this clown like climbing the fence of a cemetery. Yeah. Hope okay. Oh clown outfit makeup and everything? Do not like that now.

1:39:35 Yeah. That's spooky enough. See, but what happened to actually just as bad? So the clown gets over the fence. He's in the cemetery. Now these people, they are recording him, which is climbing the fans and just getting in there and he turned around. If he just slowly waves at them, that's probably a good video and then he runs off into the wooded area of the cemetery. Okay. Never to be seen again. All righty. So you know buddy. Nobody knew who this clown was at all? Oh yeah, that was like the one of my favorite ones out of here. All right.

1:40:17 So no 2016. It all started. In Green Bay Wisconsin, Sophia did just my mic so it all started in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Hmm, 1 clown one parking lot by himself at night, okay? If he just loves a clown went viral, there was even a Facebook page for this thing. Um, oh dear, it was the name of the clown was called gags. Now the news networks were covering it, so I'm going to go out on a limb and say that, you know, they were making, they were joking about it and stuff like that ball but they didn't know what was going to happen afterwards.

1:41:08 So shut up. So gags was actually made up to promote a film titled. You guessed it gags. It's on Amazon. Amazon Prime, I looked it up when I was writing my notes on say, this actually does not seem like a bad story, other premises basically. Like there's this clown that shows up in Green Bay Wisconsin and people were just thinking oh well this is just a stupid clown, you know. Creepy is the but really, it's a killer creepy clown. But yeah. Um, so this movie came out in 2018, like I said, I haven't watched it yet. So this was two years before the movie came out, they were trying to promote it.

1:41:54 Okay. See that's the failure here. Like, you got to like drop that like a couple weeks unless you're like, Jordan Peele, who can just be like listen is going to be a movie that comes out in a year and it's just it called. Nope. Like everyone's I'm high. I don't want this so bad. Listen I was so upset when I realized that it said 2022 and not 2021. I thought that movie was about to come out in like three days. I was so excited but like if you're just a no-name Movie Creator you can't drop the hint about the movie. Two years before it comes out. I'm pretty sure. Everybody forgot about that. It's about exactly what's in people's memories are very Very, very short on the internet goodness. Now, if you thought that was the end of it, you're looking more foolish than a clown after.

1:42:50 I'm sorry, you're really trying to make these these clown gags work here. I'm sorry. I'm trying. Hmm. So, after Wisconsin, sightings and the movie promo more and more calm, sightings started to pop up from some. Never knew about gags. Yeah, I just knew it. Got weird. Yeah. Mainly South Carolina to Canada, she the UK and even Australia, oh, we're a lot of evil creatures live. So right there, he clown, coconut crabs that are toxic, so they can be eaten because they eat everything in existence and have giant pincers. Yeah. They don't, you know, they have they haven't damn spiders, that attack Birds. They have birds that attack people. We don't really need any clowns Australia. Real life is scary.

1:43:42 So at this point you know clowns are all over the place. Everybody's spotting clowns and stuff, right? They got so bad WCA WCA the world Clown Association took notice. I didn't know there was a world-class Association. You were like WC. I was like, yeah, I know it was funnier without and you know, they said I'm against it like these clowns and I'm like, yo and Reason why I did this is because these creepy clowns on the side of the street, or seeing in parking, lots, or stalking people. Oh, yeah, I may have seen videos where people were like, in the woods, just hiking.

1:44:22 Yeah. And then on the path in front of them, there's just a clown standing there. The thing is that was a real person. Yeah. Just real life trolling people and like these clowns ruining it for real clowns who work at circuses or amusing. Parks are carnivals, you know? Or they work at usually children's parties here honest, I just don't find clowns all that interesting. Except for the balloon animal thing, make me something cool with a balloon animal. I'm here forever. But I think it's maybe I'm because I'm an old person. Like, I'm just like, But like, you know, y'all should be able to make a living. So yeah.

1:45:04 So yeah, 2016 was like one of the worst times to be like a professional clown, because o, because of all the freaking clown, sightings is this is terrible. It was terrible. They Nintendo by like after Halloween. Yeah, it did. It just dropped my, I'll get into that. But it is really just dropped off, right at the Halloween. And nobody knew what the fuck was going on. So weird. So even sir, Ronald McDonald had to step away from the Limelight for a little bit. Wait, no, this is true. McDonald's change the mask. No, no he just, you know, he just wasn't out in public I'll like that anymore. You know, they mean he's just worried you know because the clown is he out in public in general I mean he's a is there are other locations where you can like meet Ronald McDonald's. I don't think you can meet Ronald McDonald and I'm pretty sure like the dress was my favorite anyway. Then we Don was Playhouse things. They have.

1:46:01 I think they had McDonald. They had a little statue statue of Ronald McDonald. I would think so. I was think they, that's what they did. I just know that he had likes, that least, you know, the back to him, they put him on a back burner, for a little bit. Clown costumes were banned and pulled from stores like no Spirit. Halloween could carry these? It all ha. So people have to make their own costumes if they wanted to be assholes. Oh my God. And people like who work for like theme parks, I'm used to Parks. You know, they were, you know, makeup and stuff like, you know, clowns. So I know like Halloween Horror Nights. They have like the scary clown.

1:46:43 Yeah, the big giant teeth and stuff. Exactly. And these people were warned, like, you've got to, you got to make sure that stuff is off your face before you leave work because you can't, like, just go home and go. Oh, I'll wash it off. Ya know you gotta wash up before you clock out and all that stuff because freely The building because people were out there freaking out. Okay, what else? Oh, so apparently there's supposed to be some type of clown, Purge that happened to your 2016 like clowns are supposed to start attacking people. Oh right. Yeah, I do remember that. Um, yeah. On Halloween Eve day before Halloween night before. Halloween.

1:47:26 Whatever. Yeah. All Hallows Eve. So Of course there wasn't like a freaking long clown, Purge on Halloween Eve but I was just about to ask to somebody die. No but on Halloween night there was an attack. Okay. Hmm. October 31st 2016, Jeff Brown and his brother Tommy were out driving in their pickup truck with their wives. Another adult woman. Women and in total, five kids. Oh no, and this is this happened Orange County East? Orange County.

1:48:08 Florida. Okay. Change my whole mind there, you said, Orange County. I thought California. So I'm guessing after a successful night of trick-or-treating. They're driving around, so they're driving home when they spot about and say 20 people ahead I'm trying, you know, at the crosswalk where they all clowns trying to push the crosswalk button and um, you know, Jeff the hmm. Well his Jeff's thought was that you know they were trying to after the fact he thought they were trying to.

1:48:49 So you know the traffic, you know, The Pedestrian crosswalks, you had a button you know, turn the light green or whatever. Yeah. So his thought was was that they were trying to push this button so they can make the traffic like turn red for income coming cars. So they could scare people attacked Them. Not just scare people attack them. So these people, these 20 people or about 20 people, they were wearing clown masks and they were in purge masks as well.

1:49:34 Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's pink but Jeff drill, right? He they didn't do it in time for like the light turned red. So he just drove past them as he drove past them. One of these, 20 people, throw something at his truck. He, of course, you know, pulls over to check out the damage to see if anybody was injured in because he had the In his women in the back and his brother was a front with him so he gets out to check damage. Nothing is wrong, Airways fine but These 20 people freaking swarm them, of course. He's from they swarm.

1:50:22 I don't know. I don't know. They were these form him and his brother just wipes hops into the driver's seat and tells her you're like go get help. So you know, get the kids to safety. Yeah. So you know, we're not here with these people. So they drive off, please these two guys against these 20 people, and they had hockey sticks. He said, they had bats, they had clubs, they had knives worried for Jeff. Hmm. So Tommy gets knocked out or knocked down by a hockey stick. I think I read in one of these reports, he actually got stabbed to like, in the head with the knife. Yes, thing.

1:51:11 And if you want to kill somebody, this was a good time to do it. Probably in a clown costume. Yeah, unfortunately, so yeah, Tommy gets you gets knocked down and then he gets swarmed by more people. Jeff, finally gets. He's able to break away and try to get help, you know, try to go and get help. So, he's like, Tommy is this there by himself? Then, but I'm Jeff gets back, though, this whole mob has just disappeared, Scary scary. Yeah. So So the people who caused this attack, this purge style attack were thought to be teenagers because Jeff said he recognized like a couple of them as teenagers in the neighborhood.

1:52:02 But I couldn't find any like arrest for engine hate that you find this like really interesting news story and then you can't find a follow-up. Like there was no nothing else after this. I could not find any house after this. So I'm going to assume that nobody was arrested in this attack. Hmm. But yeah. Oh yeah, apparently, this is funny. Creepy clowns were supposed to make a comeback last year. 2020, I guess like won't take talked to her a couple videos I saw creepy but you know, I guess even creepy clowns are afraid of covid, so they did not come back.

1:52:48 But yeah, that's what I got for creepy clowns I got something else though. Okay, yeah, I'm not done yet, I guess I got some more. Okay, so, anyway, clown suck, let's talk about something interesting. He okay, let's talk about TV. Okay. That's right. TV's aren't the rack your brain? Yeah. They aren't a pinnacle of entertainment. I mean, we have smartphones and Tablets to, you know, Trail entertain us with and computers, of course to. And, you know, every game is what you need to be for that. Anyway, but so anyway. Anyway, but something to watch something about watching like cable TV is just nostalgic and speaking of TV, okay, and old have you heard of TV? Head of what TV head?

1:53:47 No or TV, man. Okay, well if anybody else has not talking about Fooly Cooly TV boy Conte. But I'm talking about And almost Santa Claus type person who wears an old television set on his head. Is there a video of this? Yes, a CCTV video. I didn't know you had a name. Yeah I thought it was just somebody was like some weird guy was outside of my house last night with a TV honesty. I didn't realize that this was a name now. Yeah he has a personality. Well it was just I guess that was the name TV head TV man.

1:54:28 Whatever they were trying to claim him. Okay. Me as an old TV, TV set on his head and he drops off owed television sets. Yeah. To random people at night. Where did this happen? No one knows why. Now, they'll take care. Oh, this happened in Henrico County Virginia. Okay. So yeah, this didn't happen over world is just it is one area. Well, yeah, because that means that everybody would have had to commit to a very strange I don't know like outfit that's just weird. We'll get into that later. Like it's probably not that easy to even find those old TVs anymore. Well well the tube TVs, right?

1:55:16 Yeah. You don't have to have an actual tube TV to make this head. How many people made this for the following Halloween? Okay, okay, I need your answer, just let me know. Apparently a lot of people So, anyway, the weekend of August 2000, 1950 households in, like I said, Henrico County, Virginia, wake up to fine. Oh, TV sets, just sitting on their porches and TVs were placed at a certain way. They were facing into, you know, so that the people who open the door would see like their selves in the TV screen, that's funny. This definitely reminds me of that Sci-Fi show. We watched each one, the one with the kids obsessed with that TV show.

1:56:08 Oh Oh, you mean chemical? Yeah. Okay, yeah. So a few home security cameras, caught glimpses of this person or these people. This is a group thing was a Duo as a team. I think it was, it was a team and it was to, at least two, people always thought it was the same guy. No, no, no. This one guy he were he was taller. He had like a white jumpsuit on. Okay? All the guy had like a blue jumpsuit on a little shorter? yeah, you know, a person or people wearing televisions sets on their head, delivering TVs, the gift of television, Now the old televisions, there's what?

1:56:55 Yeah there there's I know, right? I would have soda still taking it, okay? Right is going to accept this gift. I have an old TV set not home, but it's in the garage but yeah, it's a big old. It has like At the at when this one was made, I guess didn't have like a cooling the way they cool TVs. Was it like they put some mint in the bottom of it but I'm not about that so that you know it won't overheat and so this TV is extremely heavy that I have it. Yeah sure. Sounds like like I can pick it up a little bit but already bud like my muscles like I can't pick it up so high. I'm picking up a little bit and then put it on something but that's about it.

1:57:42 My mom. Yeah. So one of the the CTR the doorbell camera videos that I loved the ring light, right? Yeah the Rings. Yeah. Was one of the TV guys heat sets. You know he sets the TV down, he's carrying on reports. He said, sit down you know you just hits and makes it further is facing properly nice and gingerly he does it very, very nice. And then, you know, he starts walking down the stairs and he turns around looks right at the camera and he just you know, he waves at the camera and just you know, walks off. Hmm. Less creepy.

1:58:25 Like this is like a complete contrast to freaking clowns true. Because I'm less bothered by this because this guy is just like out having fun. Yeah, exactly. Like, I mean, I guess the clouds were out having fun too. Hey, but they were having fun in the malicious kind of way. Yeah. This was like they attack people. Yeah, they were out to scare. Who will this guy is not out to scary? We just out to deliver television sets. For some reason. So yeah, either way the cops were called soon and they started collecting TVs up you know the go recycle them.

1:59:07 So no charges were pursued. Since no real crime was committed right? Except for like I guess the cop said it would be considered like illegal dumping. Yeah. Because at this time like you know how we're supposed to recycle those old TV sets, instead of just drawing them away. Now, mhm. So yeah that's the thing. So did you know That no, you didn't know. So I'm going to let you know. There are a lot of cosplayers who have. So this is not like a cause not only a cosplay. This is like a whole somebody's made a webtoon about this by now it's a whole what's the word for like a community of it's just a whole community of people and they're called object heads. Oh.

1:59:54 So I guess it started way. Before this happened. These objects heads were just TV friends. Yeah. So Objects, I guess this happening. He doesn't like yeah, we both live in the same city. Let's get weird. Yo probably I guess like to start this hardened like 2011 or object, heads were like a big and popular. Like like, I don't know, just have like a microphone for you. I like siren head ich. Habe not creepy. But, yeah, like I said, yeah, Fooly Cooly, have you watched that? And I met.

2:00:34 Okay. Anyways, watchfully Cooley, it's awesome. I'm just saying, is there's a robot, honor, his name's Conte. He has a freaking monitor as ahead. Yeah. And And like I said, a lot of cosplayers, they'd use the TV had nothing and like, I was what I think I was watching like either YouTube or freaking Tick-Tock and I just, I was like, what the heck is that? What they're friggin TV heads? Like I remembered this story but I was like, this has I have anything to do with that. Does it not really? I think it's just like a Whole, it's a whole separate world. Yes, two people mother Branch off.

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