Episode 28: Dorothea Puente was a landlord from hell

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And this week in True Crime, my

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story, I'm just gonna I'm gonna
give you the title first.

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Are you ready for this says
Indiana mother dismembered.

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Husband ordered children to
clean up crime scene.

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Oh my God.
No, oh yeah, this is bad and it

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only gets worse.
So how many Indiana and so mom

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killed the Husband chopped up
his body and then she demanded

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that her children help her.
So mom's name is thessalonica

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Alan, she's 34, and she killed
Randy Allen.

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She shot him and then used an
axe to cut off his legs.

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I don't know if she just got a
little bit tired and didn't want

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to continue dismembering him.
She tried to enlist her two

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teenage children to help dispose
of the remains an attempt to

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burn the body.
She is facing Like half a dozen

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charges easily murder.
Abuse of a corpse child neglect

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and this all happened.
The end of July.

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So about a week and a half ago
and LaPorte Indiana.

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Now, there was a hearing just
this past Wednesday and the

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judge entered a not guilty plea
from her.

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I don't know why she did that
and she got a public defender.

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So, the way that she was found
out though is that her kids

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refused to help and so then she
called This is the best part.

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She called one of the, the
other, like the father of one of

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the children and had him try and
have him come.

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I'm over to help her and he
hopped the cops.

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Yeah.
What know who?

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I'm trying to get me caught up
in this stuff?

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No, thank you now, she and her,
not guilty pleas.

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She said that the reason why she
killed him is because he had

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been beating the children.
Hmm.

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Okay.
And that, he also beat her and

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she shot him after a physical
fight.

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The kids.
However, said that, like, Dad

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had just been like helping them
on the computer and he viewed a

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Site that their mother had
visited, which sparked an

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argument in their bedroom and
the children heard a gunshot.

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The police also found two papers
in the apartment Place.

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Another daughter's.
Pillow that appeared to be a

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to-do list.
The paper said things like hit

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him with a hammer and stabbed
him roll up the body and sheets

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and plastic that was all
released at the hearing.

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So I don't think that salonica
is going to have the best time

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with this case.
I just I mean listen I don't.

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I hate you killing people, but
if you're gonna kill somebody,

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you got to do it a little bit
better, not when the kids are

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home and then you can't tell
your teenage children.

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So come join me know your blood
on your hands to children

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please.
Yeah.

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So that's the one that I saw
this week and I'm not gonna lie,

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I've contemplated making a tick
tock of this, because it just

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seems like it belongs in stupid
ways.

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That Killers get gone.
Put what she was searching.

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No, they did not say what the
website was, just that Dad saw

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and it bothered him.
It obviously wasn't something

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that was like illegal or
grotesque because the kids would

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have mentioned that but I'm
wondering if like, maybe like

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she, like, purchase something
that he didn't want her to buy,

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you know what I mean?
That stuff that people were most

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of the people who are married
argue about.

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Yeah, you spend your money,
things of that nature or she was

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searching for a hit man.
Well, that would be weird.

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I mean, it could.
I've been a dating site that

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would have caused an argument.
Yes, you know.

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What was that dating site for
people who are married want to

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cheat?
Ashley Madison.

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There we go.
Maybe it was Ashley Madison

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account.
I got it probably was he can't

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be Ashley Madison because there
aren't any women on Ashley

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Madison only men and fake
account.

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But what did you learn about
this week?

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Brian.
Oh my God.

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All right, so I was torn between
two but this one, I think I'll

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cover this one.
Okay.

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Okay.
So try those.

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The headline reads and She was
warm public about Atlantic

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Atlanta Park after a woman.
And her dog were fatally,

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stabbed.
Wait, is this?

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The is this related to the thing
that I told you about?

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When I said Elena police told
people that this was not a

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serial killer.
And then all of the people from

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Atlanta were like, that's
exactly what you would say.

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If there was a serial killer
because it was also in Atlanta

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this week.
I'm not sure might be related.

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Oh, wow, that's fun says,
officials in Atlanta, advise the

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public Thursday night To go to
hide Mount Park.

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Okay?
Alone at night.

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It seems like Piedmont,
Piedmont.

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Sounds familiar to me.
Piedmont.

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That might be Piedmont then
again, that could be just the

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Filly way of saying it.
So let's just go with that one

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here.
That sounds like it would

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probably be that anyway.
After it's a one week after a

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woman and her dog were stabbed
to death the dog to near one of

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the park interest is.
Yes the dog.

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Unfortunately, I don't know why
but I just dug was being loud.

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And no, I was gonna say, I don't
know why I'm picky.

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Take this one.
I was just like three times in a

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row, Brian with you.
And animal deaths.

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That's terrible.
I don't know what's wrong.

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I thought it was bad enough when
I had the lady Luber driver who

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stole the cat.
Look.

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I was talking about the last one
I talked about was cat Justice,

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okay?
And this one is just

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unfortunately, that dog death,
dog death.

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So I mean I am a cat person so
but I would never wish harm upon

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a dog I do.
You love dogs as well.

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Hello animals.
Anyway.

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Yeah, at this rate how expensive
it is to get like to pay to have

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a dog in an apartment.
I won't have one until I have a

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house.
They charge like hundred twenty

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dollars extra a month, I can't
afford that but the woman her

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name was Katherine Janice pork
and she was 40 years old and she

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was found at the scene.
Multiple stab.

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Wounds walking her dog.
Yeah.

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I don't get like why you would
stabbed a donkey because The dog

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was also found stabbed and
seeing where I imagine that

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scene.
I bet you, they were real upset.

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Like the people who saw their
like, oh, this dead woman, the

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dog is Step 2.
Yeah.

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Um, I guess they're still.
Looking.

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Okay, so there's audio from 911
call Park that was released

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somebody sell else found it may
be him.

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Yeah yeah so hopefully somebody
saw something because there's a

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balance there, you know, it's a
park.

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So obviously there's security
cameras and stuff there.

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That recorded it.
So hopefully they can find

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something on the security
cameras.

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They are asking anyone with any
information to contact the

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Atlantic Atlanta Police homicide
unit or Crime Stoppers.

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It's a phone number if you need
it. 40 45 77 8477.

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There you go.
And yeah there I guess the

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anonymous award a reward for
10,000.

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Dollars is pretty good for
anybody with information.

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Don't be like that, one family
that I talked about a couple

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weeks ago and Tick-Tock where
the mom realized that her like,

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kids were a part of the crime
and like she called the police

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and were like, so is there a
reward for information about

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this?
And people were like You don't

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know.
Your kids are one of your kids

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is a murderer.
Yeah.

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And the other one helped cover
it up.

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Are you really just gonna call
it?

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Ask about the reward money.
I wouldn't people are mad.

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That's kind of stupid.
I don't know.

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Oh yeah, so some pretty grisly
stuff this week, unfortunately.

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I'm sorry, that's okay.
That's okay next week.

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I won't have a non animal one.
I guess we'll see what happens.

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So this week, I decided to take

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a break from the massacres.
Some of the, the Nature's of

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these like lust killers and like
the, the sex crimes were a

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little much for me.
Well, I'm just really what it

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is, is that like I spend like a
lot of time reading these books,

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and it's just a lot of that
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So, I remembered that I had a
series earlier this year, on

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Tech talk called Senior serial
killers and that one

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specifically that they always
interests me.

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Because the, the general age for
when people start murdering

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others in a Serial fashion, is
your late 20s to early 30s?

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So I A lot of times people are
interested in the much younger

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Killers or the much older
killers.

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And so, you have the
exceptionally young, like, Jesse

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Pomeroy episode 15, or much
older like today.

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And She's born in 1929 and she
didn't kill for the first time

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until 1982.
Oh wow, her name was Dorothea

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Puente and she is notoriously
known as the Death House

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landlady and one of
California's, more notorious

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serial killers with a kill count
of nine.

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Oh, I think I've heard of her
next, you might know this story.

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Oh, surprise me story.
I know.

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Okay.
Well, let's learn about who she

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was.
Decades, before she became a

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murderer because she had a, I
won't say interesting.

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A lot happened and it wasn't all
good.

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So Drew Thea Helen Gray was
born, January 9th, in 1929 in

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Redlands, California, which is
in San Bernardino County.

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She was six out of seven
children.

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Number six, out of seven
children to give some background

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Redlands.
California in 1929 was barely a

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town.
Yet the Great Depression and the

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Dust Bowl had caused this.
Like Mass Exodus of people from

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the Midwest both to the east and
west coast and a lot of people

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moved into California is seeking
jobs and prosperity for these

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parents were two of those
people.

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The two of them thought like,
oh, you know, California has a

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lot of farms we can like, you
know, pick fruit or do farm

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stuff.
I thinking that it was like an

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easy job.
It's not an easy job and her

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mother Trudy May and her father,
Jesse James Gray worked on one

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of the many sprawling, orange
Orchards, which was the main

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crop in California.
The time now, I have to say this

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because I looked into this one
of my friends, you'll hear me

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refer to her as glitch.
Glitch is parents named her

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brother's after celebrities to
this is, apparently, a pretty

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common thing.
Naming your child like the first

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and last name of a celebrity.
So, Jesse, James Gray.

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Can you imagine though Justin
Bieber Jackson, like an

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appendix.
Trend in the 20s and it also, it

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came back in the 50s and so,
like, that's glitches, parents

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naming a what was her brother
named like Roy?

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Rogers something.
Oh my God.

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Is Right.
Weird.

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But yeah, it's that was already
a weird Trend.

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I was like I'd that just like
struck me and I was just like he

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imagined Beyoncé Knowles Martin.
That's just sent you here thing

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to do.
But regardless They had

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absolutely no experience when it
came to Agriculture, and the two

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of them also had a drinking
problem, Trudy ended up creating

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such a bad reputation for
herself that well, they both got

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fired from the orange Orchard,
but no one else would hire her

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and I couldn't find any records
to explain exactly what she did.

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But like from this point
forward, nobody in Redlands will

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hire Trudy.
May owe a drinking on a child

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probably well so Jesse's the
sole Breadwinner and he gets a

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job picking cotton for a
sharecropper on the edge of

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town.
There.

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They didn't seem to care if he
got wasted because if he didn't

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show up for work, they just
didn't pay him for the day and

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on the days that he did get
paid.

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He spent most of his paycheck on
alcohol.

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Hey I go to that because I'm
just trying to set the scene for

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the world.
That Dorothea was born into

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Trudy continue to drink
throughout her entire pregnancy.

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And while she was breastfeeding,
they say this is the reason why

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Dorothea was so short.
She got the stunted growth as

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Fact of fetal alcohol syndrome
when she moved to solid foods

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there really wasn't much because
they were busted broke.

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And Dorothy is older.
Siblings taught her how to like

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scavenge for food.
Scraps, pretty much is when is

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soon as she was old enough to
like walk with that.

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And that sometimes they took her
out like when she was a toddler

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and they used her as a prop to
like, get sympathy and gift that

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people, give them like food and
money.

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Wow.
That's terrible.

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Well, eventually the town
started talking.

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About the crop of gray kids who
are always out begging and Trudy

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would get upset.
And she would like try and beat

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them.
The older kids were pretty used

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to this though, and like they
tried to teach Dorothea like all

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you have to do is just avoid
her, let her drink a bottle of

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whatever it is.
She's drinking around the house

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and she's going to forget why
she was mad in the first place.

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That's terrible.
Unfortunately, says treaty was

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so small and she was the
slowest.

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Like she couldn't get away from
her mom.

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When her mom was on the warpath.
Well, this is your fault.

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She took a lot alike.
It's your fault.

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I'm so short.
She took a lot of beatings meant

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for the older children really
Trudy was mad at her husband,

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but he was never home.
So she took it out.

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A lot of the kids, think, the
weird thing about her is that

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Trudy didn't have much malice
towards the children, but she

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just didn't seem to like care
about them, like they were just

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there and kind of annoying.
Boinging.

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Now, Jesse wasn't home a lot.
He was either sleeping somewhere

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in the house at a bar or at
work.

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He was also violent with his
wife and children.

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So, everyone was happier when he
just wasn't around.

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He seemed to be more aggressive
with the girl children, and they

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don't go a lot into details
about how many siblings do with

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like the, but there were several
girls and like he would just be

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annoyed by them.
And so like they would just walk

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by and he would just hit them
randomly like smack them, like

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back Ian them, and then so they
lived in a one-bedroom house for

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Nine people like and so when he
would come home and want to have

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sex with his wife, he would
literally kick the children out

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and they would spend their walk,
the streets at night Scavenging

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for food.
Oh, the hell out of the house.

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So they kicked him out of the
room, kick them out of the

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house.
He was like you need to be gone.

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Oh and so they would like you
know stop by people's houses you

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know go through the The garbage
after people had dinner several

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times.
During these night Walks Like

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the girls had to gamble
sometimes on who they were

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walking by, you know, you never
know who's gonna try and touch

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you.
And since they're Thea was still

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so little like, like, maybe they
might like grab one of the older

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girls like skirt and miss her
and grab the baby.

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And so, she definitely
experienced some level of sexual

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assault when she was very, very
young.

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And so doing that.
She didn't she didn't talk much

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about.
It's easily.

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Couldn't get worse though,
right?

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No, hopefully not.
Well one night, Jesse passes out

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at work in the cotton field.
He wakes up a rain during the

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night.
He's completely soaked through.

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He's a terrible hacking cough
and that strange cost last for

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months and months to the point
where every time he coughed he

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was pulling on blood.
A doctor was like this seems

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like pneumonia so they told him
to Stay in bed and, you know,

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recuperate would shut down their
only source of income.

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They spent their last money on
medication for him, but he

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didn't get better.
And then preacher from the local

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church that they used to go to
came by and was like, oh, that's

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not pneumonia.
This is tuberculosis oh I see a

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lot of cases because he's like,
I am in our, you administer the

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last rites to people who are
dying and for people who don't

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know, tuberculosis is very
lethal, and very contagious.

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And so the local church was
like, don't worry about it.

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You don't have to worry about
food.

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We got you, y'all aren't allowed
to leave your house, your

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quarantine, they forcibly porn
team, this entire family and

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Jesse James Gray died in 1937.
When Thea was eight years old,

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the family had no money and he
was buried in Potter's field.

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The community felt bad for Trudy
but not bad enough to risk

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hiring her.
I don't know what this woman

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could have done to make them
have a memory.

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This long, it's been at least
eight years or longer since she

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got fired and people are still
like Trudy.

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Nah oh goodness.
And so as like Like after he

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died, they continue to
quarantine the family and as no

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one came down with tuberculosis
the donations started to

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dwindle, of course.
And so Trudy began visiting with

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men about town in exchange for
services, first for payment, for

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services.
I mean, that's the job.

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It's a job and pay well, but it
paid sometimes, she'd be gone

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for weeks at a time and the kids
just kind of did for each other.

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Other it cooks for each other.
They begged in town, sometimes

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they eat with some of the
Mexican families in the

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neighborhood.
And so, then Dorothea would try

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and pay them back by like
cleaning the dishes and helping

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out in the kitchen.
A year after Jesse died.

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Trudy got into a car accident.
She'd been writing on the back

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of one of her clients
motorcycles.

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When a car.
Clipped the back wheel, the bike

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flew off the road and down a
Rocky Hill, and when her body

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was recovered, it was
unrecognizable due to the

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injuries she sustained.
The police were like, well we

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have to find the family of this
woman.

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They tracked down the kids and
they're just like the kids are

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like She wasn't really here
anyway.

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And they were like, well, we're
just going to kind of keep doing

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what we've been doing.
We've been handling our own

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business, but the state was
like, no, we can't allow like a

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bunch of people all under 16 to
live in a house together.

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Sorry.
Children know.

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So they were all taken and sent
to random orphanages across the

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state.
Dorothea was alone for the first

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time in her life and orphanages
were understaffed underfunded

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and A lot of horrible things
happen to her.

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During that time for reference,
you can assume that very much

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like the Indian schools that we
are currently unearthing the

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horrors that happened in North
America right now.

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Same kind of stuff happened at
orphanages.

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Just any situation where like a
few people are responsible for

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like a hundred children.
I feel like that's a recipe for

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those children being horrific
lie.

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Abuse.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
The Fiat nuns or anybody else.

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It never goes well.
Well.

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But Trudy, I mean a Dorothea
only to stay there for a year

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when she was almost 10 years
old, one of her aunts learned

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about Trudy's death.
Her, aunt went about Gathering

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all the kids from all over
California and it took the

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better part of 1939 to do it,
and she brought them all back

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together in Fresno, California,
the kids very much.

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We're like, we're just going to
try and move on from this.

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And when Dorothea was asked
about her childhood she told

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People that she'd grown up in
Mexico and had moved to the US

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when she was 10 years old, she
even learned Spanish and over

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time she repeated this life.
So often that it, she was like,

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she believed it.
It has no Dorothea had

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stability.
She had friends, she was growing

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up to be a very beautiful young
girl.

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And then the state intervened
again saying that this house

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that had like, four bedrooms was
too small for the aunt and her

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children and Seven more children
well which was shocking to

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Dorothea because she's like I
grew up in a one-bedroom house

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with nine people.
Yeah it is awesome.

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This is love just so much space.
There is so much space for

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activities and they were like,
yeah, no, you can't stay here.

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And they sent Dorothea and her
siblings into foster homes.

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Oh my God.
Why she lived in Fresno?

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L.a.
Napa County.

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She was just consistently
operated over and over again.

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And during that time period, she
became kind of cold and

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stubborn.
She would fight Foster families,

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even basic rules, kind of
annoyed her because she'd been

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allowed to really come.
And go her whole life except for

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the like year.
She lived at the orphanage

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because nobody really cared
unfortunately, by 16, Dorothea

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was tired of the foster home
Shuffle.

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She got a job dropped out of
school.

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Moved out and cut ties with
everyone.

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She knew she even stopped
reaching out to her real family

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because that was going to mess
up her, her story that she was

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telling people.
After she had, she saved up a

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little bit of money.
She moved to Washington State

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and she ran out of money on in
Olympia.

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She met another teen girl on the
bus and they wanted a little

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room in a motel now at this
point Dorothea is petite blonde,

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bright blue eyes, got that nice
new bottle skin with a tiny hint

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00:26:25,300 --> 00:26:30,100
of a Mexican accent, So she was
the Pinnacle of like 1940s

453
00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:33,100
Beauty and she followed in her
mother's footsteps.

454
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,300
Now, 1945 was a really good year
to be a prostitute in the u.s.

455
00:26:39,100 --> 00:26:41,900
because World War 2 was ending,
soldiers were coming back from

456
00:26:41,900 --> 00:26:45,100
war, they had money and they
hadn't seen a woman in years.

457
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,500
Unlike her mother Dorothea,
however, had a little bit better

458
00:26:48,500 --> 00:26:52,700
of a head for business and so
she ended up renting two rooms

459
00:26:52,700 --> 00:26:55,700
so that both she and the girl
could work and they stayed busy

460
00:26:55,700 --> 00:27:01,000
and made a lot of money.
It that she started getting a

461
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,900
regular client.
He was 22 years old, and he's a

462
00:27:03,900 --> 00:27:07,500
soldier named, Fred McFall and
he was spending, like, he liked

463
00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:10,300
her so much that he would look
like a regular time slot to meet

464
00:27:10,300 --> 00:27:13,600
her and the timeslot afterward
just so he could sit and talk to

465
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,600
her.
Oh, you cuddle time!

466
00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:23,500
Nice, she laid on her tragic.
Mexican backstory, has she lost

467
00:27:23,500 --> 00:27:26,500
both of her parents and she'd
only been allowed to move here

468
00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:29,200
when she was.
Ten years old, and then Frank

469
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,900
proposed to her Weeks Later.
Drew they didn't really have any

470
00:27:33,900 --> 00:27:36,100
other options though.
She was like, all right.

471
00:27:37,500 --> 00:27:43,200
Okay unfortunately for Fred
Dorothea was a hustler through

472
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,600
and through.
She stopped hooking when she

473
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,200
realized he could provide for
her.

474
00:27:47,500 --> 00:27:50,100
But she had gotten used to
making a lot of money while she

475
00:27:50,100 --> 00:27:51,700
was running her little tiny
brothel.

476
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:57,100
So like silk dresses getting her
hair done consistently, you

477
00:27:57,100 --> 00:28:01,400
know, Fine Wines.
Like I was living it up and

478
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,200
fried was like, Fine.
If you want it, I'll give it to

479
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,200
you.
They got married in Reno a

480
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,300
couple months later.
All of Fred's family was in

481
00:28:10,300 --> 00:28:14,400
Nevada, so they were there.
And so, then Dorothea tells them

482
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:19,400
the story at the wedding that
she the Mexican tragic

483
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,100
backstory.
But then she tells his family

484
00:28:22,500 --> 00:28:28,400
that they actually had met in
the Philippines during the the

485
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,800
Baton Death March.
And the problem with that story

486
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,700
is that that means that Fred
would have met her when she was

487
00:28:34,700 --> 00:28:37,800
13.
I mean, yeah, which is not when

488
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,300
he met her.
The family just assumed that

489
00:28:41,300 --> 00:28:44,000
like she was drunk and we were
like we're just gonna let this

490
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,300
go fried assumes like she just
doesn't want them to know that I

491
00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:52,300
met her when she was a
prostitute or she's just a liar.

492
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,400
If I got a job in Gardnerville
and they had a pretty wonderful

493
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,000
honeymoon period full of a lot
of sex and she actually began

494
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,200
showering Fred with a little bit
too much attention.

495
00:29:02,500 --> 00:29:07,600
He kind of was a little like if
she just like really into me or

496
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,800
she like a nympho Like he was
in, this is odd because

497
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,900
generally most men in their
early twenties.

498
00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:18,400
Aren't looking at their teenage
wife who wants to bang them.

499
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,300
And going, this feels like too
much.

500
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:32,000
Oh my gosh.
So, the first sign of something

501
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,900
going wrong in this marriage was
that Fred?

502
00:29:36,100 --> 00:29:39,500
Can't like realize that she was
an absolute Mass.

503
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:47,100
She never lived in a household
where she learned how to keep

504
00:29:47,100 --> 00:29:49,800
things tidy.
It's true.

505
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,900
She didn't know how to be a
wife.

506
00:29:51,900 --> 00:29:54,800
She didn't know how to even be
in a proper relationship.

507
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,800
All she saw, in terms of adult
relationships, were her drunk

508
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:05,600
horny alcoholic parents.
So that was a problem they would

509
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,800
get into fights and of course
she would respond by being even

510
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:14,000
more sexual which didn't he
didn't like it at all.

511
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,400
Yeah.
In fact Fred was like relieved

512
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,700
when she got pregnant because he
was like, great now, I don't

513
00:30:19,700 --> 00:30:28,000
have to fuck her.
So like that, like nine month

514
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,100
period, he's like awesome.
I'm sure every time she came on

515
00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:34,600
to me was like, but the baby, I
don't want to hurt the baby.

516
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,200
Yeah, just rest, honey.
It's okay.

517
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,400
Take a break.
She ended up having a baby girl.

518
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,300
Dorothea kind of hoped that she
would be better than her own

519
00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:48,200
mother, but after she had the
baby, she didn't really feel

520
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,600
anything towards her own child.
She barely looked after it and

521
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,800
one night, Fred came home from
work and the house was a

522
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,000
complete wreck and the baby was
crawling through like the

523
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,100
garbage on the floor and still
wearing the diaper that he put

524
00:31:02,100 --> 00:31:04,700
on the baby in the morning.
Oh no.

525
00:31:06,500 --> 00:31:09,400
Three months after their
daughter was born, Dorothea

526
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,400
started like taking the baby to
her.

527
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,900
Mother-in-law's house and
leaving in there all day and

528
00:31:14,900 --> 00:31:16,300
then his mother-in-law would
call him.

529
00:31:16,300 --> 00:31:20,300
Be like you have to come pick up
the baby and he's like Mom,

530
00:31:20,300 --> 00:31:25,000
she's not good at being a mom,
like please help her.

531
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,900
And it only had seems like, oh,
she didn't have a mom to look up

532
00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:31,700
to you.
But, like, from a psychological

533
00:31:31,700 --> 00:31:35,400
perspective, some of my sources,
believe that, because she never

534
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:40,700
got to actually bond with an
adult as a child in any

535
00:31:40,700 --> 00:31:43,000
meaningful way.
At least it's possible.

536
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,200
She didn't know how to bond with
a child of her own.

537
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,400
She's never done it.
There's certain things that

538
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,500
happen like from a psychological
perspective that has to happen

539
00:31:53,700 --> 00:31:56,500
and they have to have it in a
certain order and like, that's

540
00:31:56,500 --> 00:31:59,200
why I A lot of like that's why
there's a big push right now for

541
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:05,500
fathers to get paternity leave
because the bonding period with

542
00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:07,700
infants is super important,
right?

543
00:32:07,700 --> 00:32:11,000
Right, right.
As is the following couple years

544
00:32:11,300 --> 00:32:15,300
before even the baby can talk
and like things like your kids

545
00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:18,200
ability to speak.
Depends on how often you talk to

546
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,300
your child.
Yeah, definitely kids.

547
00:32:20,300 --> 00:32:24,000
Learn more like the essentially
they get better at the basics by

548
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,400
having access to both of their
parents and so So like maybe

549
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,500
because she never had that like,
as soon as she was born, Trudy

550
00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:36,600
was just like a mother one.
Poor baby.

551
00:32:36,700 --> 00:32:42,000
Yeah.
And so Frank became kind of

552
00:32:42,008 --> 00:32:46,100
distant and he started avoided
going home and so Dorothea was

553
00:32:46,100 --> 00:32:48,300
just like, you know, I'm just
gonna drink a little bit.

554
00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:51,800
Take the edge off a little know
which only made things worse.

555
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,700
She began cleaning the house,
but mainly it was because she

556
00:32:56,700 --> 00:32:58,800
was literally home alone and
bored.

557
00:32:59,300 --> 00:33:03,000
And so, Fred was like, oh, is
this her attempt at, like

558
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,400
reconciliation?
No cleaning now.

559
00:33:05,900 --> 00:33:11,800
And so, Dorothea used sex and
alcohol to kind of fill the void

560
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,600
inside of her and Fred's.
You dislike lustful behavior

561
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,400
from her as a sign of Love,
which he always had and she got

562
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:24,200
pregnant again and Fred was like
this time baby number two, she's

563
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:30,400
gonna bond with baby.
Number two, So when Dorothy has

564
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,900
water broke Fred was at work.
Hmm.

565
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,700
She went to the hospital alone.
She gave birth and she told the

566
00:33:37,700 --> 00:33:39,800
hospital, she wanted to give the
baby up for adoption.

567
00:33:39,900 --> 00:33:45,800
Oh she came home the next day?
No baby bump and no baby and

568
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:51,100
Frank was like where's the baby
and and Maybe, at some point she

569
00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:52,700
might have thought about like
lying.

570
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,400
Oh, I had a terrible
miscarriage.

571
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,300
But like, at this point she was
just so fucking done that.

572
00:33:58,300 --> 00:34:00,400
She just said, I gave it away.
It's gone.

573
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:06,800
Oh like Fred immediately like
rushes to all the local

574
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,500
hospitals because she won't even
tell him where she gave birth.

575
00:34:09,500 --> 00:34:13,300
Yeah, he tries to get his suit
his second daughter, but Dorothy

576
00:34:13,300 --> 00:34:14,800
had already signed the
paperwork, and there was

577
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,000
nothing.
That could be done

578
00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:19,699
unsurprisingly, they got
divorced in 1948.

579
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:25,000
Date Dorothea was 19 years old.
Very little is mentioned about

580
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,500
Fred and his daughter after
this.

581
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,000
So Dorothea run around apartment
and the crappy part of l.a.

582
00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:36,699
expecting to jump back back into
prostitution because she was

583
00:34:36,699 --> 00:34:40,800
like, well, it was good before,
but 1948 was not as good of a

584
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:45,600
year to be a prostitute as 1945.
Also, she just given birth to

585
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,000
two children.
So she didn't have the exact

586
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:56,199
perfect figure she had before,
but she began Meeting clients at

587
00:34:56,199 --> 00:35:01,700
their homes, getting them wasted
drunk waiting until they've

588
00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:04,700
passed out.
And then robbing them of their

589
00:35:04,700 --> 00:35:11,300
checkbooks and valuable Nuke on.
That is that's the way to get

590
00:35:11,300 --> 00:35:15,300
paid I guess.
Well, this was successful at

591
00:35:15,300 --> 00:35:19,300
first, but in early 1949 police
started, getting calls from

592
00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:23,500
bartenders about a young woman.
Robbing, John's writing bad

593
00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:27,400
checks, the LAPD, LAPD said, but
undercover operation and she got

594
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,400
arrested within the week, right?
Course, as she was only 19, the

595
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,300
judge was pretty lenient.
And she was sentenced to one

596
00:35:34,300 --> 00:35:36,800
year in prison, but they said
she was eligible for parole

597
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:42,600
after six months. in prison, she
got in trouble for also not

598
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:48,200
cleaning and so, Well, after you
get in trouble enough for that,

599
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:49,700
you start doing what you're
supposed to do.

600
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:54,000
Yeah, she didn't make many
friends right away because she

601
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,200
really thought she was better
than most of the other women in

602
00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:00,400
prison.
Our attitude slowly shifted

603
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,700
though after some time of just
being straight.

604
00:36:02,700 --> 00:36:03,800
Lonely.
Yeah.

605
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,800
And she started to see the value
of relationships at least in

606
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,400
understanding that that she
could get something from other

607
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,300
people and they could get
something from her.

608
00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:16,700
She got really, she got a lot
better at telling her fake

609
00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:21,400
backstory, so it was less
obvious that it was faked by.

610
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,400
Now she was raised in Mexico
sent to the Philippines rescued

611
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,300
by a soldier at the death.
March, he had a tragic heart

612
00:36:27,300 --> 00:36:29,600
attack.
Just after they got married,

613
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,800
truly a heartbreaking.
Oh, my God.

614
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,900
That's so sad.
It's going to keep its going to

615
00:36:34,900 --> 00:36:36,400
keep evolving as The Story Goes
On.

616
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,400
Oh, no, just got better at
pickpocketing when she was and

617
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,000
when she was in her cell, she
practiced forging signatures.

618
00:36:43,900 --> 00:36:45,500
And then when she started
talking to the other women in

619
00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:48,300
prison, they were like, listen
the reason why you got caught

620
00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:50,800
like that is because you didn't
change your pattern, enough

621
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,200
police don't really even like
arresting young pretty girls.

622
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,200
So if Dorothea could just stay
out of their way, when things

623
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,600
got hot and change up, how she
was robbing the men that the cop

624
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,800
because the cops saw them as
criminals to write.

625
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,200
They were hiring prostitutes.
I mean, so technically, they

626
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,600
were also doing illegal stuff.
They were like, well, if you do

627
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,800
this, and you just kind of
switch it up where you're going,

628
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,300
and not going to the same.
Cars everyday and stuff like

629
00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:16,800
that.
She's like you'll get away with

630
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,800
it too.
She got a lot of prison, four

631
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,600
months later.
So that is two months before

632
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,200
when she was supposed to be
paroled.

633
00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:26,600
Oh, okay.
Some of L.A.'s,

634
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,600
most successful escorts had told
her the best places to meet rich

635
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,100
men and which hotels wouldn't
bother you.

636
00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:34,000
So she went back to Turning
tricks.

637
00:37:34,300 --> 00:37:36,900
She moved from Riverside County
to Downtown LA.

638
00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:39,100
She didn't have to Rob these men
anymore.

639
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,700
So the police kind of turned a
blind eye to her.

640
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,500
In fact some pretty prominent
members of the LAPD were her

641
00:37:45,500 --> 00:37:49,300
customers Now, what's
interesting to me here is that

642
00:37:49,300 --> 00:37:51,800
she was definitely significantly
more successful than her mother

643
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,300
by a long shot.
But she was still spending the

644
00:37:54,308 --> 00:37:56,700
majority of her money not
getting drunk.

645
00:37:57,300 --> 00:38:00,500
But she had expensive tastes,
like I said, and they were

646
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,200
causing her trouble.
She only drink the finest

647
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,800
alcohol.
She wore Silk Stockings only.

648
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,800
She got new dresses and you had
like weekly.

649
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,600
She would eat out every night.
Oh my god.

650
00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:17,100
Well, if you got the money too,
I guess everything was going

651
00:38:17,100 --> 00:38:19,400
real good.
Good then she got pregnant again

652
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,800
since there was no access to
abortion in 1950 and she

653
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,500
couldn't work while she's
pregnant.

654
00:38:26,500 --> 00:38:28,600
She had to kind of abandon her
lifestyle.

655
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,700
She gave birth in San Francisco
in 1950.

656
00:38:32,900 --> 00:38:36,300
She told the adoption agency,
that the father was just some

657
00:38:36,300 --> 00:38:38,200
guy.
She hadn't bothered to learn his

658
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,700
name, nor has she considered the
consequences of taking an extra

659
00:38:41,700 --> 00:38:44,000
dollar from him to have sex
without a condom.

660
00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:50,500
She went back to prostitution.
immediately course, and spend

661
00:38:50,500 --> 00:38:56,900
the next two years hunting for a
husband, That is when she met

662
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:02,500
axle now.
Okay, so I saw his name listed

663
00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:06,900
in two different ways Johnson or
Johansson, and I think the

664
00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:11,100
actual Swedish way was probably
a Johansson but the Americanized

665
00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:13,700
version of his name was Johnson.
So there you go.

666
00:39:13,700 --> 00:39:16,200
We have both.
He was a Swedish Merchant Seaman

667
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,800
who was looking to settle down
in America their courtship was

668
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,200
longer than usual because they
only got to go on a couple dates

669
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,200
before he got called back to
Port.

670
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,300
But whenever he docked, he made
sure to call Dorothea.

671
00:39:27,700 --> 00:39:30,700
She reinvented her past again,
saying that her husband had died

672
00:39:30,700 --> 00:39:33,100
in 1948.
She had been approached by a man

673
00:39:33,100 --> 00:39:35,600
at a department store.
Who'd given her his card and

674
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,100
told her that she could be a
Rockette and she hopped on a

675
00:39:38,107 --> 00:39:40,100
plane to the east coast to
audition.

676
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,400
And she got the job because she
was just so talented at dancing.

677
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,100
But she wasn't ready to leave
California, because she really

678
00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:48,700
loved her job as a chef in San
Francisco.

679
00:39:48,900 --> 00:39:51,800
So, she would commute back and
forth between California and New

680
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,700
York.
No, you would not when he ready.

681
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,100
No, her job is a rocket ended
when a girl dancing next to her,

682
00:39:59,100 --> 00:40:02,500
broke a heel and fell into her
and they both fell into the

683
00:40:02,500 --> 00:40:06,400
orchestra pit and she broke her
leg and the other dancer got

684
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,100
paralyzed and that girl's
husband ran off with another one

685
00:40:10,100 --> 00:40:12,700
of the Rockettes, why would you
make that?

686
00:40:12,700 --> 00:40:17,000
A little Side Story watching,
that's her new story.

687
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,500
So the tragic.
So we solve the Mexican then

688
00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:23,000
sent to the Philippines, then
came back then her husband died.

689
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:24,700
Now, we have the rocket story at
it, too.

690
00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:29,200
Ooh, it who commutes from
California to New York?

691
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:34,000
Who knows how Axl didn't really
question her story?

692
00:40:34,300 --> 00:40:37,900
He was like, he just kind of
loved her energy and he was just

693
00:40:37,900 --> 00:40:41,600
like, listen, even if this is
probably not entirely true,

694
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,500
she's fun.
So he proposed.

695
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,700
Oh God and so dirty.
I really liked this setup

696
00:40:47,700 --> 00:40:50,000
because she's like, mmm feed
him.

697
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,900
Good sex them.
Good, he goes on the boat leaves

698
00:40:53,900 --> 00:40:55,400
me alone for a couple.
Months.

699
00:40:56,500 --> 00:40:59,100
Sounds fun.
She started burning through the

700
00:40:59,100 --> 00:41:02,700
money again though.
Drinking.

701
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,800
A lot of drinking.
And usually what would happen is

702
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,800
that she would just live like
completely shitty and then when

703
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,400
she got word that Axl was coming
back, she clean it.

704
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,800
She would clean everything up
and be ready for him.

705
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,900
But one time she was too drunk
and he walked into the house and

706
00:41:23,900 --> 00:41:27,300
it was completely like a mess
from top to bottom and he walks

707
00:41:27,300 --> 00:41:29,600
through the bedroom and she was
passed out on their bed.

708
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:36,500
And he beat the crap out of her.
And because it was the 1950s and

709
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,100
people didn't really there that
they're like, neighbors might

710
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:45,700
have been like my business
prefer having a messy house.

711
00:41:45,700 --> 00:41:50,200
It's fine.
Yeah, he went back to the Sea.

712
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,700
She got bored.
She started drinking and

713
00:41:54,700 --> 00:41:58,500
spiraling again.
Then she started bringing men

714
00:41:58,500 --> 00:42:00,900
home.
Now, her neighbors, didn't

715
00:42:00,900 --> 00:42:03,500
realize she was turning tricks
again.

716
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,200
They just thought she was
cheating, so they told Axl when

717
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,300
he got home.
Oh, no, no, no.

718
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,000
This went on for years.
He would beat her until she

719
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,900
began to act, right?
And then she would do whatever

720
00:42:16,900 --> 00:42:24,000
she wanted while he was on, you
know, on the water and then She

721
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,200
would do what he wanted while he
was back on Shore.

722
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:32,200
She reinvented her backstory
again, while they were still

723
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,300
dating saying that she was like
a holistic doctor and people

724
00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:38,900
kind of believed it because she
brought like she had a lot of

725
00:42:38,900 --> 00:42:41,500
potions in her house.
And like the neighbors would be

726
00:42:41,500 --> 00:42:44,200
like, yo, you know, what do I do
about this word on my foot?

727
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,200
And she be like I got you and
she would go get like one of her

728
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,200
little concoctions and give it
to people and they worked but

729
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,400
like she's are probably just
like old wives tale.

730
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:53,700
Al's.
She's like, huh?

731
00:42:59,900 --> 00:43:03,700
but the problem was like her
husband was like Where are you

732
00:43:03,700 --> 00:43:05,900
getting all these random real
drugs from?

733
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,900
And she's like, listen.
He's like, also you never told

734
00:43:08,900 --> 00:43:10,500
me that you were like any kind
of a doctor.

735
00:43:10,500 --> 00:43:13,400
She's like, listen, listen, I
learned about this in Mexico.

736
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,400
I would travel with my mother to
remote Villages.

737
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:22,100
And so I learned by watching her
and at this point axles, like,

738
00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:26,800
what is wrong with this woman?
And he has her committed in 1961

739
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:32,200
was only because she's a liar.
She's 32 years old, and she had

740
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,200
pretty, All time at the San
Francisco Marine Hospital.

741
00:43:35,900 --> 00:43:38,100
The problem is they didn't
distinguish between people who

742
00:43:38,100 --> 00:43:41,500
were criminally insane versus
those just in the middle of like

743
00:43:41,500 --> 00:43:45,500
a crisis, mmm, and the hospital
also had a lot of six Sailors

744
00:43:45,500 --> 00:43:48,000
who were bringing in diseases
from everywhere because they

745
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,400
went all around the world.
Yeah, at one point, axle

746
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,600
actually had to step in because
they were like, yeah, so we have

747
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,900
her plan to be on the
sterilization on this date and

748
00:43:59,900 --> 00:44:02,500
they were like, wait, what?
Your sterilizing my wife, that's

749
00:44:02,500 --> 00:44:03,800
it.
Does the hospital still had an

750
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,000
active Eugenics program in the
60s?

751
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,600
Yeah.
And for anybody listening, who

752
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:13,900
doesn't know the these programs
were specifically for mentally

753
00:44:13,900 --> 00:44:18,500
ill, disabled people, and
sometimes they forced it on

754
00:44:18,508 --> 00:44:22,700
black women, as a means of
population control.

755
00:44:22,700 --> 00:44:26,400
So that the bad people wouldn't
have children.

756
00:44:26,500 --> 00:44:30,800
Furthermore, a lot of States
paid out, like, in the 80s and

757
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,400
90s for forcibly.
Sterilizing a lot of people

758
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,600
across America.
Fucking disgusting, you know,

759
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,600
pretty much the way to deal with
the mentally ill was to make

760
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,000
sure at bare minimum.
They couldn't make more mentally

761
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,900
ill people because that's how
that works.

762
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,900
So, yeah, definitely the doctors
found her a bit strange.

763
00:44:48,900 --> 00:44:51,700
She was pretty normal except
when it came to these constantly

764
00:44:51,700 --> 00:44:55,600
changing stories today.
Dorothea might have been

765
00:44:55,600 --> 00:45:01,500
diagnosed as being narcissistic,
maybe even psychopathy

766
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,400
specifically because she had no
ability to emotionally connect

767
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,400
with anyone.
And a distinct lack of empathy.

768
00:45:09,900 --> 00:45:13,900
As Burgers she well you think
she would be on the Spectrum had

769
00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:17,100
to think about like the fact
that she also had fetal alcohol

770
00:45:17,100 --> 00:45:22,500
syndrome before we even knew
what that was right.

771
00:45:22,500 --> 00:45:24,300
So like maybe that's part of it
too.

772
00:45:24,300 --> 00:45:25,600
Was there a brain development
issue?

773
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:32,100
We don't know.
But they were like, she's

774
00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:35,000
obviously having hallucinations
and she's a schizophrenic.

775
00:45:35,300 --> 00:45:38,300
So like the reason why your
schizophrenia gets like this, is

776
00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:41,500
because you're drinking so much,
so stop drinking and go home and

777
00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:43,900
be with your husband.
And that was the that was the

778
00:45:43,900 --> 00:45:53,900
diagnosis and the treatment.
So that that was it.

779
00:45:53,900 --> 00:45:56,600
That was you just the medicine.
Okay.

780
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,600
If you stop drinking you'll be
all right.

781
00:45:58,700 --> 00:46:02,000
I mean they weren't wrong, okay?
It's just a regular, the wrong

782
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,000
reason.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, that was,

783
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,200
that's right.
But that's not right.

784
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,300
That's how we treat
schizophrenia though.

785
00:46:08,300 --> 00:46:10,000
Fail.
Oh my God.

786
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,100
So dirty.
I had really like accepted being

787
00:46:14,100 --> 00:46:17,000
beaten by Axel because she was
like Listen, I'm a really

788
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,800
terrible wife so like I deserve
it but she was not okay with the

789
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,300
fact that he put her in a
facility and the chasm very much

790
00:46:24,300 --> 00:46:27,200
grew between them.
He kept putting off like going

791
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,400
back out to sea because he was
just like, I need to watch her

792
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,200
and make sure she's okay.
He eventually had to go back to

793
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,000
work and he was like, fuck.
When I get back, my house is

794
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,300
going to be trash, is going to
be awful, turns out.

795
00:46:40,300 --> 00:46:43,400
He had nothing to worry about.
When he got home, the house was

796
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,500
perfect.
It also was empty because

797
00:46:46,500 --> 00:46:49,400
Dorothea legit left as soon as
he was gone.

798
00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:54,400
Oh, she packed up all her stuff
and she moved She moved to

799
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:58,400
Sacramento.
She's now in her mid-30s.

800
00:46:59,700 --> 00:47:03,300
She's got the body of a 30,
something year old lady, but she

801
00:47:03,300 --> 00:47:06,300
still smart.
So she gets back in touch with

802
00:47:06,300 --> 00:47:08,900
some old friends who were
prostitutes and she starts

803
00:47:08,900 --> 00:47:11,700
organizing.
She sets up the women in a

804
00:47:11,700 --> 00:47:13,200
house.
Takes a cut.

805
00:47:13,300 --> 00:47:15,200
Has a brothel.
Oh, there you go.

806
00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:18,300
The early 60s.
Were a good time to be a

807
00:47:18,300 --> 00:47:22,300
prostitute.
Unfortunately, that's because

808
00:47:23,300 --> 00:47:29,600
just has a lot of progressive
things going on in America at

809
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,000
the time.
Oh, right?

810
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:36,300
Yes.
And unfortunately though she

811
00:47:36,300 --> 00:47:39,800
picked a house in a nicer
neighborhood and her neighbors,

812
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,900
reported her, the police did a
sting operation, she and all the

813
00:47:43,900 --> 00:47:46,400
other women were arrested and I
got to tell you the sting

814
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,500
operation was ridiculous.
So the front of the house was

815
00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:52,500
like a fake situation, right?
And so a cop came in he

816
00:47:52,500 --> 00:47:56,500
pretended to be like a good
trucker and like She like told

817
00:47:56,500 --> 00:47:58,300
him about all the different
girls, explain them all?

818
00:47:58,300 --> 00:48:01,100
Like what they offered, he was
like, I don't like any of them

819
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:05,000
and so she was like I can give
you a blowjob if you want like

820
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,100
and you pay for it and he was
like, yeah.

821
00:48:07,100 --> 00:48:09,200
Now you're all going to jail.
What the hell?

822
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,600
I was like, I don't want what,
what?

823
00:48:12,900 --> 00:48:15,800
Yeah, that's how I feel about
that story too is because she

824
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,600
offered I think so.
Is that why?

825
00:48:18,700 --> 00:48:24,800
Okay, I mean okay, well they was
you got arrested though she told

826
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,300
the police she had.
Idea, that place was a brothel

827
00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:30,800
and she was just there.
Visiting one of her friends.

828
00:48:30,900 --> 00:48:32,400
Yeah.
They were talking about blow

829
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:37,700
jobs and stuff, she got 90 days
in jail and she made the best of

830
00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:40,900
it.
She ran into a snag though

831
00:48:40,900 --> 00:48:42,700
because they were like, we
really don't want to release you

832
00:48:42,707 --> 00:48:45,500
without a real address.
But Axl wasn't picking up the

833
00:48:45,500 --> 00:48:48,100
phone.
He was filing for divorce and he

834
00:48:48,107 --> 00:48:50,700
had been told by his lawyers
don't respond because that can

835
00:48:50,700 --> 00:48:54,400
mess things up.
So she got released and then she

836
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,500
immediately got arrested again.
Again, for vagrancy and put back

837
00:48:57,500 --> 00:49:00,000
in prison for another 90 days,
which I gotta tell you, that

838
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,200
just seems like a setup.
So, she has lost a house that

839
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,100
she had.
Oh yeah, they took it back.

840
00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:09,700
Oh goodness.
She wish pretty shocked.

841
00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:12,000
That axle wouldn't help her
because they had been together

842
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,400
for, like, 10 years.
She thought like dang, not even

843
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,300
only been gone for like three
months.

844
00:49:17,300 --> 00:49:21,000
Yeah, but he was barely there,
you know, true.

845
00:49:22,300 --> 00:49:25,700
Anyway, well in prison, she
became a health expert.

846
00:49:26,300 --> 00:49:28,100
And prisoners came to her for
advice.

847
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,900
And this time when she got out,
she became a nurse aide for the

848
00:49:31,900 --> 00:49:35,400
elderly, the very go.
It was boring work and it paid

849
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,200
crappy because she was an ex-con
now, but it was a safe job.

850
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,800
She started cooking for herself
when she would cook with their

851
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,200
clients to save her own cash and
they didn't seem to care.

852
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,600
Even though it was technically
stealing, but they were like,

853
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,800
yeah, she's a good cook and she
wants to sit here and eat with

854
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,500
me.
So, whatever occasionally meds

855
00:49:52,500 --> 00:49:55,700
went missing but they were like
maths, doctor will send more.

856
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,700
And they did soon.
The alcohol started going

857
00:49:58,700 --> 00:50:02,500
missing with the food then she's
just started out right ceiling

858
00:50:02,500 --> 00:50:06,300
from herbaceous.
She would use their own meds to

859
00:50:06,300 --> 00:50:10,400
put them to sleep and then she
would steal money from them or

860
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,000
just lay around doing nothing at
work.

861
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,700
She retired from private,
nursing in 1966 after several

862
00:50:17,700 --> 00:50:21,200
patients died and she didn't
want people connecting the dots.

863
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,500
She managed to avoid going to
jail for these because when

864
00:50:25,500 --> 00:50:29,300
autopsy I performed the patients
had only the drugs that had been

865
00:50:29,300 --> 00:50:32,400
prescribed to them in their
system and it wasn't like high

866
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:38,700
enough doses to kill them.
But technically, there's a

867
00:50:38,707 --> 00:50:42,800
belief that her total kill count
is actually 15 because during

868
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,900
this time period, like six of
her patients died.

869
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:51,400
Interesting.
So if we add those in and

870
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,500
technically she would have start
killing people in the 60s but

871
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,400
technically like Like this was
more neglect than outright

872
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,400
choosing, the murder somebody,
right?

873
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,800
Yeah.
Regardless she took the all that

874
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,200
money.
She bought a large house at the

875
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,900
corner of 21st and F Street.
She knew the state wouldn't give

876
00:51:07,900 --> 00:51:10,900
her a license to run a boarding
house since she had so many

877
00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:13,700
solicitation charges on her
record, but she's just gonna do

878
00:51:13,700 --> 00:51:17,700
it anyway.
Oh, oh, okay, I just really

879
00:51:17,700 --> 00:51:19,500
enough.
Like she's listed here as being

880
00:51:19,500 --> 00:51:23,200
only in her late 30s.
But looking easily 20 or 30

881
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,200
years.
Older, the years of drinking And

882
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,800
just the lifestyle were hard on
her life.

883
00:51:29,100 --> 00:51:31,700
Hm.
Also she was just tired.

884
00:51:32,700 --> 00:51:34,700
Like she needed help to get the
rooming house, ready.

885
00:51:34,700 --> 00:51:37,300
So she reached out for workers
within the Hispanic Community,

886
00:51:37,700 --> 00:51:42,000
the local immigrants came out to
help and there she met Roberto

887
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,300
point.
They they met and fell in love.

888
00:51:45,300 --> 00:51:47,600
Not really.
He was looking to have a future

889
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,300
in the US and he noticed
whenever they were doing stuff,

890
00:51:50,300 --> 00:51:53,100
and walked by that, she stared
at him real hard and he knew

891
00:51:53,100 --> 00:51:58,400
what that meant.
So their relationship moved from

892
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:02,700
business to personal, she, let
the other workers go and he

893
00:52:02,700 --> 00:52:05,100
became the full-time.
Handyman at her boarding house

894
00:52:05,700 --> 00:52:09,400
and when I say this was a big
house for tea rooms, oh,

895
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:16,900
massive, she gave him a place to
live and eat and also if he

896
00:52:16,900 --> 00:52:23,100
wanted to sex, but they were not
couple, like, he was like 20 and

897
00:52:23,100 --> 00:52:27,900
she was like 40 and her.
Hair was turning white, and it

898
00:52:27,900 --> 00:52:30,200
was pretty obvious that he was
using her, but she was also

899
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,500
using him.
So it felt a little, alright?

900
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:38,800
The house opened in 1966, the
rooms fill up immediately.

901
00:52:39,900 --> 00:52:42,900
The state is full of disabled
and homeless people, because

902
00:52:42,900 --> 00:52:51,200
some of the The hospitals were
beating deinstitutionalized and

903
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,400
shut down.
So people need places to live.

904
00:52:55,700 --> 00:52:58,100
And so the social workers would
call her and there were like,

905
00:52:58,100 --> 00:53:01,300
hey, do you have space in here?
You know, this person gets an

906
00:53:01,300 --> 00:53:04,700
SSI, check for the rent, she
charged.

907
00:53:04,700 --> 00:53:06,700
She would also cook for all of
her tenants and do their

908
00:53:06,700 --> 00:53:09,300
laundry.
They thought she was a saint now

909
00:53:09,300 --> 00:53:12,200
really, she was checking their
clothing for Wayward cash and

910
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,900
stealing things from them.
But regardless, of course, and

911
00:53:16,100 --> 00:53:18,400
1968 Dorothy and Roberto travel
to Mexico.

912
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,200
City had an extravagant wedding
with her fanciest wedding to

913
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,400
date.
She loved Mexico and didn't want

914
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,200
to go home.
When we got back though, with

915
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,700
the citizenship secured Roberto
started looking for others.

916
00:53:32,100 --> 00:53:35,400
He apparently never stopped
dating other women.

917
00:53:35,900 --> 00:53:39,300
Like, even like while they were
dating before, he was like

918
00:53:39,300 --> 00:53:42,400
dating women like in the early
to because he was 20 and like in

919
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:47,400
the early 20th, I mean yeah.
And he didn't Want to have sex

920
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,500
with Dorothea like at all.
Oh no.

921
00:53:49,500 --> 00:53:52,300
As soon as he could, he moved to
a spare bedroom in the house

922
00:53:52,500 --> 00:53:56,800
saying is because she snored.
now, he never brought a woman

923
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,900
back to the house because he
knew the tenants adore Dorothea

924
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:07,900
and they would tell on him, but
He would be seen out in public

925
00:54:07,900 --> 00:54:12,000
with other women and Dorothea,
was becoming this respected

926
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,000
member of the community because
she was doing so much for this

927
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,300
Panic Community, she was done.
Like I'm going to get more of

928
00:54:17,300 --> 00:54:20,000
that in a little bit but so
people would call her and be

929
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,100
like we saw your husband with a
lady.

930
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:28,000
But Dorothea was just like,
honestly, I don't care.

931
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,200
Just make sure you don't
embarrass me.

932
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,700
Oh my God.
So back to why people thought

933
00:54:33,700 --> 00:54:38,400
she wasn't saying so She started
donating a lot of money to

934
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:42,300
charity this glamorous life that
she'd always wanted and lied

935
00:54:42,300 --> 00:54:46,200
about became real.
She had dinners with Pat Brown.

936
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,600
Ronald Reagan, Clint Eastwood
actually, funny story with the

937
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,400
cleat Clint Eastwood dinner that
she had, it was for like a

938
00:54:52,700 --> 00:54:57,000
republican like thing at dinner
and she was annoyed because

939
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,100
Clint Eastwood cared more about
like his date that he brought

940
00:55:00,100 --> 00:55:03,100
with him.
Then her own.

941
00:55:03,100 --> 00:55:10,500
Oh imagine that She created this
like reputation, we're like a

942
00:55:10,500 --> 00:55:14,100
very much legitimised.
Her folks would never accuse her

943
00:55:14,100 --> 00:55:17,300
of stealing from them, and if
they did, when the police talked

944
00:55:17,300 --> 00:55:18,800
to her, it was immediately
dropped.

945
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,300
Like she had a little office and
her office was full of pictures

946
00:55:22,300 --> 00:55:25,600
of her shaking hands with
celebrities and like who you

947
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:29,500
believe this respected beloved
woman who donates to Charities

948
00:55:29,500 --> 00:55:32,900
and schools all over the
community or a mentally ill

949
00:55:32,900 --> 00:55:35,700
person who lost a ring maybe
sometime in the last Ear.

950
00:55:36,100 --> 00:55:41,900
Well based on movies, I'm going
to say the mentally ill person.

951
00:55:43,300 --> 00:55:45,600
Roberto kind of enjoyed.
Being a husband who didn't have

952
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,200
to do anything.
In fact, he stopped doing his

953
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,700
job as a handyman, he would show
up to take pictures for the

954
00:55:50,700 --> 00:55:52,300
fancy dinners, but that was
about it.

955
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,800
They started arguing a lot, he
check out.

956
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,700
He had checked out of the
marriage entirely and when he

957
00:55:58,700 --> 00:56:02,800
officially left, Drifter Thea
was already over him one day she

958
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,000
like was gone to the house and
she checked his room and it was

959
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,900
empty.
She pocketed, she like she did

960
00:56:07,900 --> 00:56:10,600
with any other tenant.
She cleaned it up pocket,

961
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:16,200
anything that seemed valuable
and felt a sense of relief, she

962
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,900
was back to relying on herself.
The only person she could depend

963
00:56:18,900 --> 00:56:23,000
on Ice, no one to embarrass me.
Of course, in the eyes of the

964
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,100
community, her husband abandoned
her, and so they were like,

965
00:56:26,100 --> 00:56:28,200
well, you know, it's
understandable that she's been

966
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:29,800
going to bars looking for
people.

967
00:56:29,900 --> 00:56:32,700
Yeah.
She started going after much

968
00:56:32,700 --> 00:56:35,800
older, man.
Who are receiving checks

969
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,500
tensions?
Some of those men ended up as

970
00:56:39,500 --> 00:56:41,800
ten minutes at her house and
others.

971
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,300
She just robbed after having sex
with them and drugging them.

972
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,100
Police started getting reports
of a glamorous older woman

973
00:56:50,500 --> 00:56:55,200
robbing men, she's being risky
here but she didn't get caught

974
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:59,100
doing this. 1976 she's 47 years
old.

975
00:56:59,100 --> 00:57:03,800
She meets her next husband,
Pedro Montalvo, he was an

976
00:57:03,808 --> 00:57:07,100
alcoholic at a bar who she
picked up with the intention of

977
00:57:07,100 --> 00:57:08,700
robbing him.
Turned out.

978
00:57:08,700 --> 00:57:11,400
She kind of liked him so she
didn't drug them and they ended

979
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,400
up sitting in her apartment
above the boarding house.

980
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,800
Just talking all night.
Oh cool, that's cool.

981
00:57:16,900 --> 00:57:18,500
He moved.
It almost immediately.

982
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,800
They had a small ceremony at the
local church, which wasn't legit

983
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,300
because she was still married to
Puente, but she didn't feel like

984
00:57:25,300 --> 00:57:28,600
being bothered by the divorce.
Doesn't he had ran off anyway,

985
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,500
who cares?
Well, this was pretty short

986
00:57:31,500 --> 00:57:35,000
lived because it happened within
like a month as soon as Pedro

987
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:38,200
moved in.
He Reveals His true nature.

988
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:42,200
He wanted his woman to submit to
him and when Dorothea would not,

989
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,900
he would hit her.
When he got drunk, his temper

990
00:57:44,900 --> 00:57:49,900
was like unpredictable and while
Dorothy was no stranger to

991
00:57:49,900 --> 00:57:54,000
violence first from her dad,
then from her second husband,

992
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:58,800
like this was very different in
response to those random

993
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,600
attacks, she stopped going back
up to her apartment and would

994
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,300
spend time with her residents,
who thought she was amazing.

995
00:58:06,500 --> 00:58:09,200
So, Pedro was like mad because
not only is his wife being

996
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,900
disobedient, but now she's being
absent, but he couldn't hit her

997
00:58:12,900 --> 00:58:15,300
in front of the tenants.
And so, then, I'm like two

998
00:58:15,300 --> 00:58:17,800
months after their random
wedding, he just leaves.

999
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,300
Yay.
Okay good.

1000
00:58:19,300 --> 00:58:21,500
Fuck out of here.
It's wasted drunk ends up in a

1001
00:58:21,500 --> 00:58:24,700
different state, and this is the
last man that Dorothea would

1002
00:58:24,700 --> 00:58:29,800
reach out to on her own cool.
She started her Bar Crawl again,

1003
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,100
but this time was different.
She was kind of revolted and

1004
00:58:33,100 --> 00:58:39,500
just generally disgusted by men.
Instead of robbing them, she

1005
00:58:39,500 --> 00:58:42,300
would get enough information
from them while they were drunk

1006
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,900
change, their address to her
boarding house.

1007
00:58:46,700 --> 00:58:49,500
Also, you are still reacting to
me saying she was revolted by

1008
00:58:49,500 --> 00:58:50,800
men.
Yes, I was just wanted to

1009
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,900
comment on it.
I mean, yes, that that happens

1010
00:58:53,900 --> 00:58:58,400
after a while you just you just
get fucking tired.

1011
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:05,000
Men like, bro, y'all suck.
I'm always there, I'm somewhere

1012
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,900
on the line like it.
This is a thin line of like,

1013
00:59:09,100 --> 00:59:12,100
maybe I'd like to know they
suck.

1014
00:59:14,700 --> 00:59:16,300
Oh my God.
Okay, sorry.

1015
00:59:17,100 --> 00:59:19,000
But right, so what she was
doing, when she would talk to

1016
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,500
them while they were at the bar,
she'd write down their

1017
00:59:21,500 --> 00:59:24,800
information when they weren't
looking and then she would

1018
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:26,700
change their address to her
party house.

1019
00:59:27,100 --> 00:59:29,500
No one questioned it since
boarding houses, have so many

1020
00:59:29,500 --> 00:59:32,500
people moving in and out
constantly.

1021
00:59:32,900 --> 00:59:35,500
And so, by the time, the men got
their checks, rerouted back to

1022
00:59:35,500 --> 00:59:38,600
her, she had collected like one
or two months worth of pension.

1023
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:43,300
Hmm, she invested her that money
into a restaurant because after

1024
00:59:43,300 --> 00:59:46,700
her time Talking to rich people.
She was like, hmm, rich people

1025
00:59:46,700 --> 00:59:50,100
make more money by putting their
money into other businesses.

1026
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,100
So she got a business partner
named Ruth Munroe.

1027
00:59:54,100 --> 00:59:56,900
At first, your Thea was the cook
at this restaurant that they

1028
00:59:56,900 --> 01:00:00,300
purchased and then when she got
tired of doing regular work and

1029
01:00:00,300 --> 01:00:04,000
like went back to the boarding
house Ruth was cool because she

1030
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:05,800
was just like, listen, the
business is making enough money

1031
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:11,200
to support itself and workers,
you're good, they became friends

1032
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,700
and that made Dorothea feel
strange.

1033
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:17,000
JH, since she had never spent
time with anyone who just wanted

1034
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,600
to be nice to her and accept
nothing in return.

1035
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:26,000
Imagine that 1982, one of her
front of the police department

1036
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:30,500
is like, listen, they're
building a case against you for

1037
01:00:30,500 --> 01:00:33,600
all these government checks that
have bounced through your place,

1038
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,700
there was nothing to rob the
drugging and the robberies to

1039
01:00:37,700 --> 01:00:41,500
her, but some of the men who she
defrauded were pretty open with

1040
01:00:41,500 --> 01:00:43,500
the police and connections are
being made.

1041
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,500
And then because that was now a
thing.

1042
01:00:47,500 --> 01:00:50,400
The police were like, well,
maybe we should look into the

1043
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,300
allegations from her previous
tenants.

1044
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,100
You need to figure out what to
do because she was going to go

1045
01:00:56,107 --> 01:01:02,400
to jail for a long time.
So Ruth's husband had cancer and

1046
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,800
the doctors were going to stop,
prescribing him pain meds

1047
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:08,000
because like at this point they
felt like he's just going to die

1048
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:09,500
and you're delaying the
inevitable.

1049
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:16,700
The cost of his care was a lot
so she sold her house to pay for

1050
01:01:16,700 --> 01:01:20,100
his care and since she had
nowhere to go, our kids have

1051
01:01:20,100 --> 01:01:23,000
moved out to other states
through Thea, offered her Space

1052
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,200
in her own apartment above the
boarding house.

1053
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,400
Ruth was kind of surprised but
she accepted the offer.

1054
01:01:29,900 --> 01:01:31,800
And Ruth was treated like a
queen there.

1055
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,800
Like trivia was kind and caring
and attentive.

1056
01:01:35,100 --> 01:01:39,200
And Ruth is like, wow, no wonder
so many people want to live here

1057
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,800
and then Ruth started getting
sick first.

1058
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,800
She just started feeling a
little sluggish, then encouraged

1059
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:47,800
by Dorothea.
She started drinking to calm her

1060
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,000
nerves.
That, of course, allowed

1061
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:55,600
Dorothea to continue drug occur.
In early April of 1982 Ruth son.

1062
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,400
William Clausen came to visit
her.

1063
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,500
When he found out that she was
sick, he was surprised to see

1064
01:02:00,500 --> 01:02:03,700
her sitting on the couch
laughing with a crème de menthe

1065
01:02:03,700 --> 01:02:08,600
in her hand, which is honestly
not a good drink but that's

1066
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:11,500
beside the point.
It's just nasty liquor.

1067
01:02:11,500 --> 01:02:14,700
It's a it's crowded in math.
Isn't as cement drink.

1068
01:02:14,700 --> 01:02:16,800
Yeah.
It's a it's a freaking cordials

1069
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:18,900
a mixer.
Yeah, you don't just drink that

1070
01:02:18,900 --> 01:02:22,100
but apparently back, then, you
did gross.

1071
01:02:22,500 --> 01:02:27,400
Yeah.
So but Ruth was like, this is my

1072
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:31,400
friend with Thea, you know, we
run a business together, she

1073
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,600
used to be a nurse so she's
taking care of me, William was

1074
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,600
suspicious, but he couldn't
really figure Dorothea out.

1075
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:40,000
He was like, listen, I never
even heard of this woman until a

1076
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:44,200
couple weeks ago.
Hmm, But like she seemed like on

1077
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:47,600
paper like a really incredible
person of course.

1078
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,600
And he went back home.
The Southland Park by the end of

1079
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:56,200
April, Ruth was dead.
With the other investigations

1080
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,200
against her Dorothea was
definitely a suspect but the

1081
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,700
detectives couldn't find any
evidence to show that she was

1082
01:03:01,700 --> 01:03:04,500
the murderer.
You know, Dorothea played the

1083
01:03:04,500 --> 01:03:08,000
distraught friend, I can't
believe my friend, we have to

1084
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,500
close our business.
Now, I can't run it without her,

1085
01:03:10,700 --> 01:03:14,000
they won't even do that
detectives needed something.

1086
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:15,500
And so, Dorothy had told them
that.

1087
01:03:15,508 --> 01:03:17,500
Well, she's been really
depressed lately.

1088
01:03:17,500 --> 01:03:21,000
She had to sell her husband, her
house or husband's dying.

1089
01:03:21,100 --> 01:03:24,500
She'd been drinking a lot, the
corner discovered that she had

1090
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,100
Had overdosed on her own
medicine, alcohol, and

1091
01:03:27,100 --> 01:03:30,400
over-the-counter drugs.
They ruled this as a suicide.

1092
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:34,100
Lou son was not happy about
this, but he was just like,

1093
01:03:34,100 --> 01:03:37,200
well, they have a joint account,
my mom and Dorothea.

1094
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,500
He's like, so I'm just going to
watch and see if Dorothea drains

1095
01:03:40,500 --> 01:03:44,700
the account, The Joint business
account and if she does, I'ma

1096
01:03:44,700 --> 01:03:48,700
come for her, I mean, but she
has to close her business now

1097
01:03:48,700 --> 01:03:50,500
anyway.
So what is she just closed the

1098
01:03:50,500 --> 01:03:52,800
business account then?
Well, technically, I think if

1099
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,400
you have a joint business
account and and the money would

1100
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,100
be split evenly between both
people.

1101
01:03:57,300 --> 01:03:59,000
So he was looking for her.
Do something illegal.

1102
01:03:59,500 --> 01:04:02,000
Okay.
This was directly as first real

1103
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,100
official murder, but she was not
an idiot.

1104
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:07,800
She knew the police were
watching her and all of her and

1105
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,200
police informants were just
like, listen, I can't tell you

1106
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:12,100
anything else other than go get
a good attorney.

1107
01:04:12,100 --> 01:04:15,000
Yeah.
She knew if she took Ruth money

1108
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:18,300
right away, she get caught.
So her plan was to not drain the

1109
01:04:18,300 --> 01:04:22,600
account until she was in Mexico.
So she booked a trip to Mexico.

1110
01:04:23,100 --> 01:04:26,700
The cops got wind of it and they
grabbed her just as she was

1111
01:04:26,900 --> 01:04:29,000
getting in a taxi with her
luggage.

1112
01:04:29,700 --> 01:04:33,000
The problem with that was they
wanted to take their time

1113
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,200
because they had 30 fraud cases
against her.

1114
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:42,500
But they grabbed her too soon.
And so in fact, only three of

1115
01:04:42,500 --> 01:04:45,700
those fraud cases were actually
finished.

1116
01:04:45,700 --> 01:04:50,000
The investigations were finished
and so the judge was just like,

1117
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:54,100
I can't hold her for Stuff work
you haven't done yet.

1118
01:04:54,100 --> 01:04:58,900
And yeah, so he was in the judge
was also kind of moved by the

1119
01:04:58,900 --> 01:05:02,500
fact that she was.
So, giving to the community, he

1120
01:05:02,500 --> 01:05:05,100
really gave her the benefit of
the doubt, and gave her five

1121
01:05:05,100 --> 01:05:07,600
years in prison for three
investing for the three of us.

1122
01:05:07,607 --> 01:05:09,300
Investigations that have been
completed.

1123
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,300
He said that there would be
parole afterward.

1124
01:05:11,300 --> 01:05:12,900
It was a weird parole rule,
though.

1125
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,800
So, her parole was that she
could never run a boarding house

1126
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:20,100
or work with people of a
diminished capacity, pretty much

1127
01:05:20,100 --> 01:05:23,000
ever again.
Which were the people who she

1128
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:27,400
made a fortune exploiting.
And then they said, I just

1129
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,600
Sacramento County Jail.
In jail.

1130
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,000
She was an older woman.
She was known to be the prison

1131
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:36,100
gossip, which kind of allowed
her to kind of pass through all

1132
01:05:36,100 --> 01:05:39,000
the gangs with no issue.
She even talked to the guards

1133
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:43,500
and pass along information which
was her fatal flaw, not fatal,

1134
01:05:43,500 --> 01:05:46,800
but a big flaw.
She told the guards who have

1135
01:05:46,808 --> 01:05:50,400
been responsible for an assault
on another enemy and the

1136
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,800
response to that was that
Dorothea got beaten within an

1137
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:58,300
inch of her life in the shower
and left for dead.

1138
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:00,600
She got Were to the hospital
Wing.

1139
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,700
They wrapped her broken ribs.
And then they put her in

1140
01:06:03,700 --> 01:06:06,300
solitary and they were like,
we'll just keep her here until

1141
01:06:06,300 --> 01:06:09,200
this blows over and that was a
year.

1142
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:16,000
Oh, It also caused a whole
ripple effect in the prison.

1143
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:19,300
That was pretty awful too,
because she given them the names

1144
01:06:19,300 --> 01:06:22,200
of the people who were in charge
of these attacks who were, like

1145
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:24,400
gang leaders.
So they were all also in

1146
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,000
solitary, and then there was
nobody to keep the gangs in

1147
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,700
check.
So, like everything was real

1148
01:06:29,700 --> 01:06:31,100
quiet.
Yes.

1149
01:06:31,100 --> 01:06:35,100
But what the attack on her did
do was, he told everybody else

1150
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:41,200
don't talk to the guards.
So from solitary, she started

1151
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,700
writing letters in prison.
She's not responding to like

1152
01:06:43,700 --> 01:06:48,200
those prison pen pals and those
letter she could be whoever she

1153
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:51,500
wanted and she could take as
long as she wanted to tweak the

1154
01:06:51,500 --> 01:06:53,400
story and make it more
believable.

1155
01:06:54,300 --> 01:06:58,800
One man wrote to her every day.
His name was ever seen, Gil - he

1156
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,400
was retired.
He lived in Oregon a widower

1157
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:03,000
with children who never visited
him.

1158
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:07,800
He was a loving man who was very
lonely and I became friends.

1159
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:11,100
And then he started sending her
commissary money by the time,

1160
01:07:11,100 --> 01:07:14,000
she went back to gen.
Pop the letters had turned very

1161
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,800
serious and the two were making
plans together.

1162
01:07:18,700 --> 01:07:22,400
Ever seen, was the man that
Dorothea wished, she had met,

1163
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,600
when she was 16, the kind of
person who she, you know, kind

1164
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,200
of bright.
I'd hoped to had meet the

1165
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:32,100
problem was at 54 years old,
that little girl was long on,

1166
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,100
right?
Yeah, ever seen was talking to a

1167
01:07:34,107 --> 01:07:36,600
woman who killed her best friend
for a ticket to Mexico.

1168
01:07:38,100 --> 01:07:40,000
It's just a different kind of
gal.

1169
01:07:40,100 --> 01:07:44,300
Yeah, when she was released in
1985, on parole ever seen,

1170
01:07:44,300 --> 01:07:47,500
picked her up their relationship
lasted for three months.

1171
01:07:48,700 --> 01:07:51,600
Her big boarding house have been
sold because she owed four

1172
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:55,800
thousand dollars in restitution
to the victims to pay back the

1173
01:07:55,800 --> 01:08:00,400
money that was stolen her.
She couldn't buy it back from

1174
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:06,400
whoever had purchased it because
It was being like renovated,

1175
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,400
right?
Everson helped her get a new

1176
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,500
smaller house and her own
apartment down the street.

1177
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:14,800
They opened a joint account
together to prepare for their

1178
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:19,600
wedding and he put He would put
like the rent money in there was

1179
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:23,200
like $600 which is still a lot
of money because the $600 in

1180
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:27,200
1985 way different than $600 in
2021.

1181
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,300
That's true.
So I must have been a pretty

1182
01:08:29,300 --> 01:08:34,300
nice apartment.
Iverson had his very large

1183
01:08:34,300 --> 01:08:37,600
pension directed to their joint
account and this was so they

1184
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:40,600
could show their income to the
bank when they were going to

1185
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:45,899
eventually buy a house together.
Even though all of her wealthy

1186
01:08:45,899 --> 01:08:49,100
friends in abandoned, her the
social workers of Sacramento

1187
01:08:49,100 --> 01:08:51,399
loved her.
And they were just like, you got

1188
01:08:51,399 --> 01:08:54,200
a new house.
We got people and nobody else

1189
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:55,700
will let these people stay
anywhere.

1190
01:08:55,700 --> 01:08:58,600
What the hell?
No, guys you, what are you

1191
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:05,399
doing?
So this time her boarding house

1192
01:09:05,399 --> 01:09:09,500
became the worst cases people
who are seriously mentally ill,

1193
01:09:09,700 --> 01:09:13,700
very drug and alcohol dependent
criminal people who couldn't get

1194
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:17,300
a place to stay that way if they
disappeared in a month.

1195
01:09:17,300 --> 01:09:21,500
Nobody cared.
Oh ok NVM thing that what you're

1196
01:09:21,500 --> 01:09:25,200
doing a verse in more than
likely didn't realize the truth

1197
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:28,600
until he found himself.
Also going through what Ruth

1198
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:32,100
went through.
Because he died too.

1199
01:09:32,300 --> 01:09:34,399
That's why I hid or their
relationship was so short.

1200
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:38,200
She drugged him as well.
Now, Dorothea new of ever since

1201
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:41,700
body made it to a corner that it
would be identical to what

1202
01:09:41,700 --> 01:09:44,100
happened to Ruth.
So she was like, his body has to

1203
01:09:44,108 --> 01:09:46,600
disappear.
So she wrapped him in sheets

1204
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:48,700
like bed sheets, then plastic
sheeting.

1205
01:09:49,500 --> 01:09:54,200
Then she started contacting some
ex-cons folks new in the area.

1206
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:59,400
You work for Dorothea, you don't
ask questions, you do your job,

1207
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:04,000
you make a lot of money.
So she had hired a bunch of

1208
01:10:04,008 --> 01:10:06,600
different guys to help with
getting the regular house ready

1209
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:11,300
and one she ended up like
connecting with his name was SML

1210
01:10:11,300 --> 01:10:16,200
Flores and she was just like,
listen I need you to build some

1211
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:19,900
special stuff for me.
She asked him to build a box

1212
01:10:19,900 --> 01:10:26,000
that was six feet long and she
wanted him to deliver that to

1213
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:29,500
her apartment because she was
gonna be moving things from her

1214
01:10:29,500 --> 01:10:33,300
apartment to the rooming house.
And then Then she wanted him to

1215
01:10:33,300 --> 01:10:38,700
build a bookcase in her room in
the boarding house and then she

1216
01:10:38,700 --> 01:10:44,900
was going to put books in the
the the coffin Shaped Box.

1217
01:10:44,900 --> 01:10:49,200
She asked me to build the 6-foot
bodice six-foot-long box, which

1218
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:54,000
is doesn't make any sense?
Then she bought him a car like a

1219
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:58,100
truck.
And she said, hey, once you're

1220
01:10:58,100 --> 01:11:01,100
done building the book house,
I'll fill the thing and you can,

1221
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:03,600
you know, cart a box of book.
We could will take you to the

1222
01:11:03,608 --> 01:11:07,300
boardinghouse, the box of books
being ever since body.

1223
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:09,900
She then she nailed it shut.
And he was like, that's kind of

1224
01:11:09,907 --> 01:11:11,000
weird.
She's like, that's so nothing

1225
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:14,100
falls out.
Oh yeah, of course we took a

1226
01:11:14,100 --> 01:11:18,700
taxi ride, a very weird, a taxi
ride where and where she was

1227
01:11:18,700 --> 01:11:21,600
like, turn left turn, right,
turn this way and then she told

1228
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:25,700
them to go to the Garden Highway
in, Sutter County and she's

1229
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:27,300
Like, you know what?
I've changed my mind.

1230
01:11:27,300 --> 01:11:30,500
I don't want this box.
Let's just throw it.

1231
01:11:31,700 --> 01:11:33,900
Oh, the highway off the highway
because it was an area where

1232
01:11:33,900 --> 01:11:37,700
people dispose of a lot of junk,
it was right on the edge of a

1233
01:11:37,700 --> 01:11:39,400
river.
Okay.

1234
01:11:39,900 --> 01:11:42,900
And so it's mail picked it up
and chucked over the edge.

1235
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,400
You know, I spent all this time
on this box.

1236
01:11:46,900 --> 01:11:51,000
You just want to throw it away.
Well, it smells like she was

1237
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:53,700
really happy with me but then
like she didn't hire him

1238
01:11:53,700 --> 01:11:55,000
anymore.
Yeah.

1239
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:58,500
He was like, you know what?
I got paid and also like I also

1240
01:11:58,500 --> 01:12:01,600
got a free car from this job.
So I'm just gonna like Not

1241
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:04,300
question it.
Yeah, don't yeah.

1242
01:12:04,700 --> 01:12:08,000
Yeah.
Early 1986 everson's body is

1243
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,100
discovered on the banks of the
river by a fisherman.

1244
01:12:11,500 --> 01:12:13,700
The 6-foot box looked exactly
like a coffin.

1245
01:12:14,500 --> 01:12:17,200
The police were called with the
body was like horrific lie,

1246
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:21,300
decompose the plastic wrap and
the heat of California had

1247
01:12:21,300 --> 01:12:26,300
caused it like to rapidly
decompose and so nobody could

1248
01:12:26,300 --> 01:12:29,300
identify him and he was filed as
a John Doe, he wouldn't be

1249
01:12:29,300 --> 01:12:31,200
identified for another three
years.

1250
01:12:33,500 --> 01:12:35,600
The day, went back to her.
Check fraud days and she was

1251
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:37,500
making about five thousand
dollars a month here.

1252
01:12:37,900 --> 01:12:43,600
So, what she would do is she
would kind of Stack her Rooming

1253
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:46,200
situations.
So like, if somebody was a drunk

1254
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:50,200
and she knew that that drunk was
going to get like had gotten

1255
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:53,000
popped by the cops, and Michael
gave me he'll for 30 days

1256
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:56,400
because that's pretty normal.
Then she would have somebody

1257
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:58,400
else come stay and she would
collect the money from that

1258
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:00,900
person and then that person got
caught.

1259
01:13:00,900 --> 01:13:03,300
And so she was like stacking
them like that, like back and

1260
01:13:03,300 --> 01:13:06,100
forth.
She also would do this thing

1261
01:13:06,100 --> 01:13:09,600
with some of her tenants were
before the mail, like before

1262
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,900
anybody else, even woke up, she
would stop and get the mail.

1263
01:13:12,300 --> 01:13:14,300
She would take all Checks and
she would pay them like a

1264
01:13:14,308 --> 01:13:18,200
stipend.
Of course, weirdly though, older

1265
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:20,500
and older people were like, they
wanted to board with her and

1266
01:13:20,500 --> 01:13:23,800
stay and she's like, I'd only
one people to stay because I

1267
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:25,900
want them to keep moving so I
can steal from them.

1268
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:31,600
All the while this is happening
her parole officers and parole

1269
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:35,600
agents, visit the boarding house
and they never report that she

1270
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:38,700
is flagrantly.
Violating her parole.

1271
01:13:38,700 --> 01:13:39,600
Yeah.
Because you're not supposed to

1272
01:13:39,608 --> 01:13:43,900
have a brick and boarding house.
Nope, tenant start going

1273
01:13:43,900 --> 01:13:49,200
missing.
So, August 19th, 1986.

1274
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:52,200
Betty Palmer, 77 years old goes
missing.

1275
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:55,100
After she goes to a doctor's
appointment, a few weeks, later

1276
01:13:55,100 --> 01:13:58,400
Dorothea has an ID card with her
own face on it, but Betty's

1277
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:04,300
name, hmm, to get her benefits.
February, 1987 78 year old Leon,

1278
01:14:04,300 --> 01:14:07,100
a carpenter goes, missing after
being discharged from the

1279
01:14:07,100 --> 01:14:10,800
hospital, sleeping and sleeping.
Under these couch, she wasn't

1280
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,200
even like a full tenant.
There was no space for his

1281
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:16,300
crash, and yeah.
James Galbraith, 62.

1282
01:14:16,300 --> 01:14:21,100
He went missing July 1987.
He just got in treatment for a

1283
01:14:21,108 --> 01:14:25,800
brain tumor and told his doctors
he was moving to 14:26 F Street.

1284
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:30,600
October 1987 62 year-old Vera
Martin moves into the boarding

1285
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:32,700
house.
Never heard from again.

1286
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:36,800
Dorothy Miller, 64 also goes
missing that month.

1287
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:43,000
October 1987 Burt Montoya,
arrived in February of 1988 and

1288
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,900
as soon as Dorothy is started
helping with his financials, he

1289
01:14:45,900 --> 01:14:49,200
went missing two when other
intense asked about him.

1290
01:14:49,300 --> 01:14:51,800
She told them, he gone to visit
his family in Mexico.

1291
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:55,400
Now just before Burt
disappeared, the Department of

1292
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:58,600
Social Services, got wind of her
illegal, rooming house and

1293
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:02,400
decided to pay her a visit the
inspectors knew of her past, but

1294
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:04,600
they were like, it seems like
she's cleaned up.

1295
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:06,500
Her act, everything is above
board here.

1296
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:12,200
She also hired a handyman and
they called him Chief, and the

1297
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:16,000
neighbors noted that Chief was
seen digging around the property

1298
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,400
and building here, e cemented
the basement.

1299
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:22,400
Also cemented a slab of concrete
in the backyard.

1300
01:15:22,700 --> 01:15:28,200
And then he also went missing.
Oh, right?

1301
01:15:29,500 --> 01:15:32,200
The first person to be
persistent with her suspicions

1302
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:34,700
was Peggy.
Nickerson a social worker, who

1303
01:15:34,700 --> 01:15:37,200
had sent several people to
Dorothea, and she couldn't get

1304
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:40,100
in contact with them anymore.
And Dorothea was like, listen,

1305
01:15:40,100 --> 01:15:42,600
they come and go, you know, how
the transient folks are.

1306
01:15:43,100 --> 01:15:45,900
And she's like, if they come
back I'll let them back and

1307
01:15:45,900 --> 01:15:51,300
Peggy was like sure.
But just to be safe she didn't

1308
01:15:51,300 --> 01:15:53,500
send anybody else to Dorothy as
house ever again.

1309
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:58,400
Next person to disappear was
Benjamin think he was 55 and he

1310
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:02,000
went missing April of 1988.
He was last seen.

1311
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,700
After Dorothea told other
tenants, she was going to take

1312
01:16:04,700 --> 01:16:07,600
him upstairs and like be his
nurse.

1313
01:16:08,300 --> 01:16:14,600
Never seen a gap so it's just
it's November 7th 1988, there's

1314
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:18,500
another social worker named,
Judy moist, she was Burt, social

1315
01:16:18,500 --> 01:16:20,500
worker, that's just his
nickname.

1316
01:16:20,500 --> 01:16:23,500
His name is actually much
longer, he's like five Spanish

1317
01:16:23,500 --> 01:16:27,700
names, but My God and she was
just like she told the police

1318
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:31,000
Bert doesn't he's not the type
of run away.

1319
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:33,900
I don't think he went to his
family and it's also because

1320
01:16:33,900 --> 01:16:44,000
like one day Judy like went to
go see Bert and Dorothea told

1321
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:48,400
Judy, oh, he's sick right now,
you can't go in there.

1322
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,900
He's like quarantine from
everybody else and she's like,

1323
01:16:50,900 --> 01:16:53,200
oh, when he feels better, I'm
going to go check on him and

1324
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:56,500
then the next day she's like he
got a call from his sister and

1325
01:16:56,500 --> 01:16:59,600
he went to Mexico.
Like these are not good lies.

1326
01:16:59,700 --> 01:17:03,500
Uh-huh.
Yeah, not consistent and doesn't

1327
01:17:03,500 --> 01:17:05,000
make sense.
He's just sick.

1328
01:17:05,100 --> 01:17:06,800
Uh-huh.
The police accepted of the

1329
01:17:06,808 --> 01:17:10,300
complaint and they went to talk
to the Dorothea while they were

1330
01:17:10,300 --> 01:17:13,400
there.
Another tenant past one of the

1331
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:17,500
officers and note that said she
is making us live for her.

1332
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:23,000
By chance, one of the police
officers who had been there.

1333
01:17:23,100 --> 01:17:26,400
His name was John Cabrera was at
the store later that day, buying

1334
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:29,900
cigarettes at the same time.
As the tenant who passed him.

1335
01:17:29,900 --> 01:17:32,400
A note that tenants name was
John Sharp.

1336
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:35,200
The two decided to stop at a
cafe and talk.

1337
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:36,600
Now, this happened, like hours
later.

1338
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:39,400
He had gone back to the police
precinct and done a little

1339
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:42,500
search on John Sharp, just to
make sure like, they didn't have

1340
01:17:42,500 --> 01:17:44,500
a history, right?
And that he wasn't, like, trying

1341
01:17:44,500 --> 01:17:48,500
to set Dorothy up.
So then he was really

1342
01:17:48,500 --> 01:17:50,900
interested.
He was like well fancy meeting

1343
01:17:50,900 --> 01:17:54,900
you here.
Let's go have lunch and sharp

1344
01:17:54,900 --> 01:17:58,600
didn't know all the details but
he also like it was a pretty

1345
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:01,100
bleak picture that he like
painted.

1346
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:05,000
You know, holes being dug in the
garden overnight and then like

1347
01:18:05,300 --> 01:18:09,700
three Thea was building this
elaborate Garden every time

1348
01:18:09,700 --> 01:18:14,400
these like weird you know?
Yeah disappearances happen.

1349
01:18:14,700 --> 01:18:18,300
You know things getting It in
concrete guess getting sick.

1350
01:18:18,300 --> 01:18:22,700
As soon as they arrived, the
sickly sweet smell in the house,

1351
01:18:22,700 --> 01:18:26,400
blamed on rats or fish.
Emulsion in the yard Dorothy is

1352
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:28,800
spending habits getting
outrageous.

1353
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:33,300
So, November 11th, four days.
Later.

1354
01:18:33,700 --> 01:18:37,300
Cabrera is like, let me see if I
can do something.

1355
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:41,700
He was not new to the forest.
He had been on previous

1356
01:18:41,700 --> 01:18:45,400
serial-killer cases.
Mmm.

1357
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:50,200
So he comes with the intention
that they're going to dig up

1358
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:54,300
something that day, but he just
shows up initially leaves the,

1359
01:18:54,300 --> 01:18:57,300
the shovels in the car.
He brings a parole, her parole

1360
01:18:57,300 --> 01:18:59,700
officer and a couple other
uniforms.

1361
01:19:00,900 --> 01:19:04,100
Pretty is all smile.
She offers them T.

1362
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:06,300
She lets them walk around the
house.

1363
01:19:06,700 --> 01:19:08,500
They don't see anything out of
the ordinary though.

1364
01:19:08,500 --> 01:19:11,200
Her room smelled.
What kind of weird she told him,

1365
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:13,200
it must be a dead, right?
Under the floorboards and she

1366
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:17,800
was very embarrassed about it.
Cabrera was like, Hey, you know,

1367
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:24,500
you told me the other day that
You like burry the trash for

1368
01:19:24,500 --> 01:19:27,500
here for like compost?
I'm just worried that.

1369
01:19:27,500 --> 01:19:32,500
Like, there could be some
evidence from that trash, you

1370
01:19:32,500 --> 01:19:35,300
know, you didn't realize it was
evidence, can we like poke

1371
01:19:35,300 --> 01:19:41,000
around a little bit and so They
both knew what this was,

1372
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:45,600
Dorothea knew that she had to
let him do it because if she

1373
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:48,100
said, no, then everybody who
walked out of her house that day

1374
01:19:48,100 --> 01:19:49,500
was going to be suspicious of
her.

1375
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:52,400
So she said, yes, because she
was like, screw it.

1376
01:19:52,700 --> 01:19:53,900
They're not going to find
anything.

1377
01:19:54,100 --> 01:19:58,200
Hmm.
They find trash.

1378
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:03,500
They find like old beef jerky
and piles of trash like you know

1379
01:20:03,700 --> 01:20:06,400
and Dorothy has their oh so sad.
They're ripping up my beautiful

1380
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:08,900
garden.
You know, later on fact, so

1381
01:20:08,900 --> 01:20:11,700
horrible.
It get to the point where like

1382
01:20:11,700 --> 01:20:16,400
they've dug pretty deep and like
Cabrera is like fed up.

1383
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:21,200
He jumps into the hole, he pulls
on a route with all her strength

1384
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:24,500
and it pops out and he sees a
human shin bone.

1385
01:20:24,500 --> 01:20:26,200
Here you go.
That's what you're Come here,

1386
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:28,100
buddy.
In fact, he hadn't been pulling

1387
01:20:28,100 --> 01:20:31,000
on a root at all.
He had been pulling part of part

1388
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:33,600
of the leg bone.
Oh, out of the ground, you had

1389
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:35,400
already found what?
You're looking for Buddy.

1390
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:37,900
He didn't realize what it was
because he's just a regular cop.

1391
01:20:37,900 --> 01:20:41,700
He's not a CSI.
Yeah, he didn't arrest the fake

1392
01:20:41,700 --> 01:20:44,600
stunned, Dorothea.
She was just like because the

1393
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:49,300
problem was they were looking
for Bert, who would only really

1394
01:20:49,300 --> 01:20:51,000
been fate.
Only been filing missing like a

1395
01:20:51,008 --> 01:20:54,500
couple days before.
There's no way that a body

1396
01:20:55,500 --> 01:20:57,800
skeleton.
You know, it's skeletonized.

1397
01:20:58,300 --> 01:21:01,500
That's not the right word
becomes the skeleton in a couple

1398
01:21:01,500 --> 01:21:07,800
weeks at best.
You know what I mean, skeletal.

1399
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:10,000
That's why I wrote my notes, but
I was too excited.

1400
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:13,300
But yeah, there's no way to a
body can become a scheme, come

1401
01:21:13,300 --> 01:21:18,100
skeletal and just a couple days.
So he's just like I have to get

1402
01:21:18,100 --> 01:21:20,000
a warrant so we can do more
surgery.

1403
01:21:23,100 --> 01:21:28,600
The next day, it's a Friday.
It takes some time to get the

1404
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:32,700
warrant Saturday forensics team
descends on the property.

1405
01:21:33,900 --> 01:21:37,100
They're like so yeah.
That will you thought was jerky.

1406
01:21:37,300 --> 01:21:40,300
Not jerky.
That's mummified human flesh.

1407
01:21:40,300 --> 01:21:45,500
Oh no.
And they were like, well, we got

1408
01:21:45,500 --> 01:21:48,700
some good news and some bad news
for you because these remains

1409
01:21:48,700 --> 01:21:52,400
are woman.
So this is not Burt Montoya, but

1410
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:57,200
it's a body, you got a body, one
Dorothea saw them.

1411
01:21:57,200 --> 01:22:00,300
Look at the concrete slabs.
She dresses in this like

1412
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:04,700
elaborate fancy red outfit puts
like Or grand in cash, in her

1413
01:22:04,700 --> 01:22:08,100
purse, walks out to the police.
And she's like, am I under

1414
01:22:08,100 --> 01:22:10,500
arrest officer and prepare is
like?

1415
01:22:10,500 --> 01:22:11,300
No.
No.

1416
01:22:11,300 --> 01:22:14,600
She's like, well, I'm really
like, you know, a little like

1417
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:16,900
unsteady.
I want to go get a coffee at the

1418
01:22:16,900 --> 01:22:19,300
hotel that I'm going to stay at,
because she can't stay there

1419
01:22:19,300 --> 01:22:24,000
because this is a crime scene.
So he's like, oh absolutely,

1420
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:27,600
I'll drive you there myself.
Hm.

1421
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:31,200
They uncovered seven bodies that
day.

1422
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:36,900
One of the watches on the body
was still ticking.

1423
01:22:38,100 --> 01:22:41,300
Meaning that this body was
fairly recent, right?

1424
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:46,600
The reason why her her
apartment, her little room.

1425
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:55,000
Smelled gross is because she
Remove the Jaws.

1426
01:22:55,900 --> 01:23:00,800
In a forensic, countermeasure.
In fact, apparently, they found

1427
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:06,100
like a set of, like, part of a
jaw outside of her window, like,

1428
01:23:06,100 --> 01:23:07,700
on a Ledge.
Oh, my God.

1429
01:23:07,700 --> 01:23:11,000
Had tried to throw them out
back, like hide them.

1430
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:14,800
So that smell it.
Her room was from actual

1431
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:17,500
decomposition.
Gross.

1432
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:21,700
The police were, like, yeah, we
need to go talk to her.

1433
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:28,500
She was gone, of course, and the
police are very embarrassed

1434
01:23:28,500 --> 01:23:30,900
because they definitely just let
a serial killer walk out of her

1435
01:23:30,900 --> 01:23:32,600
house.
Yeah, that was your fault.

1436
01:23:33,100 --> 01:23:36,200
The FBI gets called, they start
tracking bus stations trains,

1437
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:39,900
airports, she books a fake
flight to LA in her own name,

1438
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:42,100
but she never took the fight
because she wanted to send them

1439
01:23:42,100 --> 01:23:44,900
on a wild goose chase.
Instead, she hides in a hotel in

1440
01:23:44,900 --> 01:23:48,500
downtown LA called The Royal
Viking the public and the Press

1441
01:23:48,700 --> 01:23:51,600
Hammer, the police, they're like
making fun of them for letting

1442
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:54,200
her go.
And she kept a low profile at

1443
01:23:54,208 --> 01:23:57,000
first.
And then she got bored.

1444
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:00,200
So she went to a bar fucking
bored.

1445
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:05,100
She's completely out of place in
this city Downtown Bar, and she

1446
01:24:05,100 --> 01:24:09,100
introduced herself as Donna
Johnson and she talked all night

1447
01:24:09,100 --> 01:24:11,200
with a young man of gentleman
and flirted with him.

1448
01:24:11,500 --> 01:24:14,300
He told her he'd take her
shopping the next day and he

1449
01:24:14,300 --> 01:24:20,700
went home, and he was just like,
I think, I think dhamma is the

1450
01:24:20,700 --> 01:24:24,300
lady on the news.
So he called CBS because he was

1451
01:24:24,300 --> 01:24:26,900
like, I don't know if I want to
call. 111 if I'm wrong.

1452
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:29,500
So he called CBS and they put
them online with the assignment

1453
01:24:29,500 --> 01:24:31,400
editor.
And the assignment editor was

1454
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:36,100
like, oh, this could be big.
You call the cuff before you

1455
01:24:36,100 --> 01:24:40,000
call the damn reporters, okay,
he called the reporters.

1456
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:43,200
Oh my God.
So first to CBS guy was like,

1457
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:46,300
well, watch a news story, and
see if it's her.

1458
01:24:46,500 --> 01:24:48,800
And so he watched a new story
but like they didn't show a

1459
01:24:48,808 --> 01:24:53,500
picture of her and so then the
news editor came and showed like

1460
01:24:53,500 --> 01:24:55,900
a peak like a picture print out
of her.

1461
01:24:56,300 --> 01:24:58,400
And he was like, I think this
could be her and he's like all

1462
01:24:58,407 --> 01:25:01,500
right how about this tell her
you're going to come see her

1463
01:25:01,500 --> 01:25:09,000
tonight. and so, He convinces.
Just this man to go.

1464
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:11,400
Tell her I'm going to meet you.
I'll come see you tonight at the

1465
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:18,500
Viking and at 10:20 p.m. this
man shows up with CBS and the

1466
01:25:18,500 --> 01:25:22,100
cops if she gets arrested on TV,
okay.

1467
01:25:22,500 --> 01:25:25,500
I mean in any other
circumstances is how people die

1468
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:29,700
true when like doing it.
Been that kind of a killer like

1469
01:25:29,700 --> 01:25:33,300
yeah pop pop and randoms.
Yeah absolutely but like

1470
01:25:33,300 --> 01:25:35,900
honestly that point she was
cornered so she just Went over

1471
01:25:35,900 --> 01:25:38,300
to her purr.
They were like excuse me ma'am

1472
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:42,800
are your two thiet Dorothea
Puente and she was just like she

1473
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:44,800
went over to her purse.
Pulled out our wallet and was

1474
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:48,400
like this is I'm yeah it's me,
here's my ID let's just take me

1475
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:50,600
in.
Yeah she got arrested, no bail

1476
01:25:51,300 --> 01:25:53,700
her lawyers tried to argue that
the trial was going to be a

1477
01:25:53,700 --> 01:25:56,600
media circus.
This would hurt her, she was

1478
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:59,700
going to have a fair trial.
The prosecution was like she's a

1479
01:25:59,708 --> 01:26:02,500
cold-blooded killer and there is
nothing that we can do to like

1480
01:26:02,500 --> 01:26:05,300
change that.
Yeah we can't make it any worse.

1481
01:26:05,300 --> 01:26:06,800
Yeah.
Yeah, the judge ruled that the

1482
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:10,100
trial is going to go as planned.
So June, 19th 1990.

1483
01:26:10,100 --> 01:26:12,100
Dorothea Puente stands trial for
nine.

1484
01:26:12,100 --> 01:26:14,900
Counts of murder.
Her lawyers.

1485
01:26:14,900 --> 01:26:16,800
Did a really good job, and they
got it.

1486
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:21,000
Pushed off until February 9th.
1993.

1487
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:26,500
Oh, yes, they were able to file
enough motions and get things

1488
01:26:26,500 --> 01:26:29,400
shifted around that.
It took three years.

1489
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:38,000
Oh, Her trial, they were 153
Witnesses. 3,500 pages of

1490
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:43,000
evidence that were shared and
the jury did not deliberate

1491
01:26:43,100 --> 01:26:45,600
begin deliberations until July
15th.

1492
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:49,100
Oh, my God.
So, nearly five months of a

1493
01:26:49,108 --> 01:26:53,100
trial and they were well aware
that the prosecution was seeking

1494
01:26:53,100 --> 01:26:56,500
the death penalty.
Days pass.

1495
01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:00,900
Nothing's heard from the jury.
August 2nd.

1496
01:27:00,900 --> 01:27:04,800
The judge receives a note that
says we are deadlocked on all

1497
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:08,500
nine counts, we need further
instruction, the defense is

1498
01:27:08,500 --> 01:27:13,600
like, oh perfect mistrial, but
the judge is just like no, no go

1499
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:15,900
back.
Go through the evidence try

1500
01:27:15,900 --> 01:27:16,900
again.
Hmm.

1501
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:22,600
August 26, 1993, they have a
decision before a pack Kirk

1502
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:25,900
courtroom the court clerk reads
the verdict guilty of the crime

1503
01:27:25,900 --> 01:27:29,200
of Murder in the second degree
against Leona Carpenter guilty

1504
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:31,300
of the crime.
Murder in the first degree of

1505
01:27:31,300 --> 01:27:34,000
Dorothy Miller, guilty of the
crime of Murder in the First

1506
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:39,600
Degree, Ben Fink.
They were locked on the last

1507
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:42,300
six.
Hmm they couldn't make up their

1508
01:27:42,300 --> 01:27:44,200
mind.
I think it was like 7 to 5.

1509
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:50,700
So with that, there was also
they also have the allegation

1510
01:27:50,700 --> 01:27:54,100
under special circumstances.
That found Dorothea Puente had

1511
01:27:54,100 --> 01:27:58,300
committed multiple murders,
including Everson Hearing the

1512
01:27:58,300 --> 01:28:00,200
verdict.
The judge move to declare a

1513
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:02,400
mistrial on those other six
counts.

1514
01:28:04,100 --> 01:28:07,800
Those other six victims did not
receive Justice, and that

1515
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:12,200
included and I wrote his name
here Alvaro Jose Rafael

1516
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:14,700
Gonzalez.
Bert Montoya.

1517
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:17,800
Just want to help.
I had so many names random is

1518
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:20,400
Burton and that was his
nickname.

1519
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:25,400
I don't know where it came from.
But, uh, Burt did not get

1520
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:28,400
Justice.
Yeah, December 11th 1983.

1521
01:28:28,700 --> 01:28:30,800
Judge verga hands down the
sentence.

1522
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:33,000
Dorothea Puente will be
committed to life in prison

1523
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:38,900
without the possibility of
parole that day in court with

1524
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:45,500
news cameras and writers she
turns and looks at her attorney

1525
01:28:45,500 --> 01:28:53,400
and goes I didn't kill anyone.
Okay.

1526
01:28:54,100 --> 01:28:55,900
She was incarcerated at the
central.

1527
01:28:55,900 --> 01:28:58,800
California women's facility in
Chowchilla, conform California,

1528
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:02,600
where she maintained her
innocence for the rest of her

1529
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:04,700
life.
Come on her borders.

1530
01:29:04,700 --> 01:29:09,100
Had died of natural causes and
they didn't have money for a

1531
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:12,100
burial anyway.
So she just put them in the

1532
01:29:12,108 --> 01:29:14,800
backyard.
Look, you already got caught?

1533
01:29:14,900 --> 01:29:17,900
Why do you?
Why you need to keep lying?

1534
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:22,900
Ironically she died in prison,
March 27th. 2011 of actual

1535
01:29:22,900 --> 01:29:28,700
natural causes.
She was 82 years old and I

1536
01:29:28,700 --> 01:29:31,500
thought sends the crazy story of
Dorothea.

1537
01:29:31,500 --> 01:29:35,500
Helen Gray, Mick foul.
Johansson Puente Montalvo,

1538
01:29:35,700 --> 01:29:39,000
which, at one point she did go
by all of those names, which is

1539
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:42,900
the noxious, yeah.
Okay, Daenerys owed.

1540
01:29:42,900 --> 01:29:45,700
Are you?
Okay?

1541
01:29:45,700 --> 01:29:49,700
Dorothea Targaryen woman of sex.
Names.

1542
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:55,400
But regardless I mentioned
earlier off-camera but like the

1543
01:29:55,400 --> 01:30:00,500
sources for today's were so fun.
Like we had few just fantastic

1544
01:30:00,500 --> 01:30:04,300
names for books like human
Harvest by Daniel Blackburn.

1545
01:30:04,500 --> 01:30:10,300
The Bone Garden by William would
Disturbed ground by Carla

1546
01:30:10,300 --> 01:30:12,500
Norton.
Everybody just had a field day

1547
01:30:12,500 --> 01:30:15,800
with these books.
These are like horror story

1548
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:18,600
books.
Yes, they were great and I

1549
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:23,300
Mistresses of Mayhem was a book
about all women criminals.

1550
01:30:23,500 --> 01:30:25,300
I like that.
Yeah, title that one.

1551
01:30:25,300 --> 01:30:29,500
I might have to buy that.
Yeah it has original author's

1552
01:30:29,500 --> 01:30:33,100
name is Francine was Salah but I
also saw a copy where I guess

1553
01:30:33,100 --> 01:30:35,700
like her last name change and
it's also says hornberger.

1554
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:38,100
Hmm, so you're married God.
Yeah, I guess you're right.

1555
01:30:38,100 --> 01:30:40,000
Got married.
But yeah, that's it for me.

1556
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:40,800
Sorry.
Little long.

1557
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:45,900
But, oh my God, lady was nuts.
That was a was a while, right?

1558
01:30:46,900 --> 01:30:49,400
Just, this is all those
interesting ones because this

1559
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:51,600
isn't somebody who I think like,
yeah, sure.

1560
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:56,700
She suffered from she was a
pathetic constantly, right?

1561
01:30:57,200 --> 01:31:01,300
But she didn't have the typical.
She didn't torture animals.

1562
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:05,500
She didn't, you know what her
bed when she was 15?

1563
01:31:05,700 --> 01:31:07,600
She didn't have any brain damage
though.

1564
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:10,100
We're not quite sure about that,
good luck, all syndrome.

1565
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:15,000
But like for the most part, this
was just like a continuous Life

1566
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:16,600
Of Crime.
That's low.

1567
01:31:16,700 --> 01:31:21,000
We escalated over time.
So very interesting though.

1568
01:31:21,300 --> 01:31:23,800
Yeah, let's say it's very
interesting.

1569
01:31:24,300 --> 01:31:25,600
Well, what are we learning about
today?

1570
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:29,500
Huh.
Okay, well today, I don't even

1571
01:31:29,500 --> 01:31:33,200
have like a proper intro for
mine honestly because I was

1572
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:35,400
like, I don't know how to
describe these things.

1573
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:38,400
I'm going to be talking to you
after your conspiracy Crypt

1574
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:39,900
intro.
I don't think you could do

1575
01:31:39,900 --> 01:31:41,000
better.
I don't think I could.

1576
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:51,700
Um, so, this week, I will be
discussing some things.

1577
01:31:51,700 --> 01:31:55,800
Okay so answer me this.
Yeah um have you ever like

1578
01:31:55,800 --> 01:32:00,600
driven or getting, you know,
dribble around or walked around

1579
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:07,800
and seeing like something just
strange just like our ordinary.

1580
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:09,800
You mean like glitches in The
Matrix strange?

1581
01:32:09,900 --> 01:32:13,100
Um no.
But that's a, we could talk

1582
01:32:13,100 --> 01:32:15,200
about that one day.
This interesting topic.

1583
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:17,700
He said, one day.
Yeah, that's a weird ride.

1584
01:32:17,900 --> 01:32:21,800
That's right.
And idea for next week is, what

1585
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:26,300
do you mean?
Um, like something like an

1586
01:32:26,300 --> 01:32:31,600
abnormality, like something
creepy or something strange out

1587
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:36,800
in the wild of the world.
I'ma stop you right there

1588
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:41,600
because I don't go into the wild
but I'm a city kid.

1589
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:46,500
I mean, it was just really
amazed the concrete jungle

1590
01:32:46,500 --> 01:32:48,800
outside of your house is the
wild No.

1591
01:32:48,900 --> 01:32:50,100
No.
What I think of the Wilds.

1592
01:32:50,100 --> 01:32:53,700
I think of like the woods.
No, we don't do Woods here.

1593
01:32:54,500 --> 01:32:56,000
Okay.
But continue.

1594
01:32:58,300 --> 01:33:05,100
Well today I'll be talking about
some creepy things that happen

1595
01:33:05,100 --> 01:33:10,000
out into in the world, okay?
Um over the past couple years

1596
01:33:11,100 --> 01:33:15,300
recent yeah about like five
years ago.

1597
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:18,600
Okay.
That's extra creepy because it's

1598
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:24,700
like now, yeah, just warning.
This is probably not going to be

1599
01:33:24,700 --> 01:33:27,100
very paranormally.
Okay.

1600
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:29,500
Episode.
But you know, it's gonna be

1601
01:33:29,500 --> 01:33:35,400
creepy, know, five years ago,
seems like song.

1602
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:41,500
Now, like honest covid made last
year seemed like a lifetime.

1603
01:33:41,500 --> 01:33:45,400
This is true last year was long
as your yeah.

1604
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:51,300
Like 2016.
My beautiful daughter was born,

1605
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:57,600
my life was shitty, but it's not
because of my no.

1606
01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:00,400
Not because of my daughter being
born.

1607
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:06,700
It was just I was just in this
shitty shitty yinz energy.

1608
01:34:11,300 --> 01:34:15,100
Oh, one major thing.
Besides my daughter being born

1609
01:34:15,900 --> 01:34:24,500
that comes to mind whenever I
think of 2016 Is those creepy

1610
01:34:24,700 --> 01:34:27,000
creepy clown?
Sightings oh yeah, I remember

1611
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:29,400
that.
That was that really that long

1612
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:31,700
ago?
Yeah. 7:16 bra.

1613
01:34:31,700 --> 01:34:35,000
Some of those were like legit.
I've seen like people CCTV,

1614
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:38,500
footage of, like, folks and
clown costume showing up with

1615
01:34:38,500 --> 01:34:43,700
knives at people's houses.
It's the other reasons why I'm

1616
01:34:43,700 --> 01:34:47,200
happy.
I will then, and there is no

1617
01:34:47,300 --> 01:34:51,600
little peep hole on my door.
Yeah, we just slide that lock

1618
01:34:51,700 --> 01:34:58,500
Walk and never look hmm.
No I myself have not run into

1619
01:34:58,500 --> 01:35:01,900
any of these fine people
standing on you know the side of

1620
01:35:01,900 --> 01:35:07,000
the road or sending in parking
lots but other people have.

1621
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:10,400
I remember somebody in a clown
costume getting stabbed and I

1622
01:35:10,407 --> 01:35:15,400
think the UK Wow, I did not see
because the person was scared.

1623
01:35:16,100 --> 01:35:18,200
I believe it.
Like, and it was like the first

1624
01:35:18,200 --> 01:35:20,600
of the clown had a knife to.
Yeah.

1625
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:24,100
It was just the other person
also, like they were, yeah, they

1626
01:35:24,100 --> 01:35:26,700
were more prepared to use her
life and protect your life

1627
01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:29,500
because your creepy ass clown in
the costume.

1628
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:35,800
Fear.
That's it's an irrational fear

1629
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:39,700
for some people.
So when people are presented

1630
01:35:39,700 --> 01:35:43,500
with those, they go into like
immediate fight or flight

1631
01:35:43,500 --> 01:35:47,500
response, right?
I've seen people scream

1632
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:50,300
butterflies.
That's what I that's another one

1633
01:35:50,300 --> 01:35:51,900
of those and falls under there
too.

1634
01:35:51,900 --> 01:35:56,600
Yes.
Um fear of clowns coulrophobia

1635
01:35:56,700 --> 01:35:58,300
well see you knew the name?
Yes.

1636
01:35:58,900 --> 01:36:00,500
Yeah.
And so it's pretty common.

1637
01:36:02,700 --> 01:36:04,700
It's, yeah, it's really common.
Yeah.

1638
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:07,400
It's, you know, it's funny about
the butterfly thing.

1639
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:10,300
I just remember being in high
school and I was, you know, you

1640
01:36:10,300 --> 01:36:14,800
stay home and watch Maury and
they had those episodes, you

1641
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:18,000
know, phobia episodes and was
person was like afraid of

1642
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:21,300
balloons, I believe and they
just robbed Luna and he started

1643
01:36:21,300 --> 01:36:24,400
screaming.
I was just like, wow, that's a I

1644
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:26,500
know people have told me that
part of the balloon.

1645
01:36:26,500 --> 01:36:30,600
Fear is the not knowing when
it'll pop, mmm.

1646
01:36:31,100 --> 01:36:34,100
And the Butterfly thing is like,
Fact that it still bugs and bugs

1647
01:36:34,100 --> 01:36:36,700
move in a way that is
technically kind of creepy.

1648
01:36:36,900 --> 01:36:41,000
I mean, yeah.
But I'd like I get the balloon

1649
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:44,000
thing because I people cry
because of butterflies.

1650
01:36:44,300 --> 01:36:46,900
Side note, I just learned
recently that butterflies will

1651
01:36:46,900 --> 01:36:52,900
eat almost anything that's dead.
Yeah, it's a, it's really so

1652
01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:58,100
they are beautiful monsters.
That will definitely devour your

1653
01:36:58,100 --> 01:37:01,600
body.
It just take a really long time.

1654
01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:05,500
Yes.
Um but yeah enough of the

1655
01:37:05,500 --> 01:37:10,900
Clowning Around let's get let's
get to the meat of this.

1656
01:37:11,700 --> 01:37:13,400
All right?
I know.

1657
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:20,000
Now 2016 was not the first
appearance of creepy clowns,

1658
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:23,300
okay, hanging around.
I'm just going to go down a

1659
01:37:23,308 --> 01:37:27,100
dates and tell you these
instances, 2013.

1660
01:37:27,300 --> 01:37:30,400
Okay, there were several
Sightings over creepy.

1661
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:36,200
Clown in Northampton England.
Oh no.

1662
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:39,400
This clown.
Look like, I guess Pennywise his

1663
01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:41,000
brother.
Okay.

1664
01:37:41,500 --> 01:37:45,200
And it was created by three
filmmakers, Alex.

1665
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:49,700
That isn't a pea or D, I can
never remember this year.

1666
01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:53,400
I know I can't ever remember
what I write.

1667
01:37:53,700 --> 01:38:00,800
Alex, pal, Elliot Simpson and it
Luke This was like for a movie

1668
01:38:01,300 --> 01:38:02,700
Blonsky.
Yes.

1669
01:38:02,900 --> 01:38:05,300
Okay.
So they were pretty much trying

1670
01:38:05,300 --> 01:38:08,800
to get hits to her so they made
a Facebook page so that happens

1671
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:10,400
a lot in California.
Mmm.

1672
01:38:10,700 --> 01:38:14,200
They do stuff like a random
haunted house in the middle of

1673
01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:16,400
like Town.
Yeah, they just build for like a

1674
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:19,000
day and then people walk through
and it's like come look at our

1675
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:21,700
new movie that comes out next
month, so no and house.

1676
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:29,000
Yeah.
Oh God, see, 2014 had some

1677
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:33,400
creepy clown.
Counts as well, a YouTuber, his

1678
01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:36,500
YouTube handles DM Pranks.
Okay.

1679
01:38:36,900 --> 01:38:39,000
You dressed up as a clown to
creep.

1680
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:46,000
Pastor buyers out and and Cal I
guess that's an anti mr.

1681
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:47,500
B's.
Yeah, that's Ruby's.

1682
01:38:47,500 --> 01:38:50,000
Gives money makes people happy.
This guy dresses up like a crown

1683
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:52,600
and frightens people in
California.

1684
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:55,600
And same year, there was a
clown.

1685
01:38:55,700 --> 01:38:57,700
That was Nick.
There's a creepy clown of course

1686
01:38:57,700 --> 01:38:59,500
it was.
Nicknamed the Waco clown?

1687
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:02,400
Down since that's where it
appeared the most.

1688
01:39:03,500 --> 01:39:09,700
That one sounds familiar to me.
Hmm. 2015.

1689
01:39:09,900 --> 01:39:14,000
Okay, had a brief spotting OB
creepy Crown.

1690
01:39:14,900 --> 01:39:20,200
So this happened in Chicago.
This I like this story.

1691
01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:23,400
It's fucking creepy is so weird.
Okay.

1692
01:39:23,400 --> 01:39:25,800
So two people were out late at
night.

1693
01:39:26,200 --> 01:39:28,200
When you see this clown like
climbing the fence of a

1694
01:39:28,208 --> 01:39:30,300
cemetery.
Yeah.

1695
01:39:30,300 --> 01:39:32,400
Hope okay.
Oh clown outfit makeup and

1696
01:39:32,407 --> 01:39:35,800
everything?
Do not like that now.

1697
01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:37,400
Yeah.
That's spooky enough.

1698
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:41,000
See, but what happened to
actually just as bad?

1699
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:43,000
So the clown gets over the
fence.

1700
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:47,400
He's in the cemetery.
Now these people, they are

1701
01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:49,700
recording him, which is climbing
the fans and just getting in

1702
01:39:49,700 --> 01:39:57,500
there and he turned around.
If he just slowly waves at them,

1703
01:39:57,800 --> 01:40:01,800
that's probably a good video and
then he runs off into the wooded

1704
01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:04,000
area of the cemetery.
Okay.

1705
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:06,300
Never to be seen again.
All righty.

1706
01:40:07,300 --> 01:40:10,000
So you know buddy.
Nobody knew who this clown was

1707
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:14,600
at all?
Oh yeah, that was like the one

1708
01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:16,600
of my favorite ones out of here.
All right.

1709
01:40:17,100 --> 01:40:22,400
So no 2016.
It all started.

1710
01:40:25,300 --> 01:40:32,000
In Green Bay Wisconsin, Sophia
did just my mic so it all

1711
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:37,800
started in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Hmm, 1 clown one parking lot by

1712
01:40:37,800 --> 01:40:43,800
himself at night, okay?
If he just loves a clown went

1713
01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:47,300
viral, there was even a Facebook
page for this thing.

1714
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:52,400
Um, oh dear, it was the name of
the clown was called gags.

1715
01:40:54,300 --> 01:40:58,800
Now the news networks were
covering it, so I'm going to go

1716
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:01,100
out on a limb and say that, you
know, they were making, they

1717
01:41:01,100 --> 01:41:04,600
were joking about it and stuff
like that ball but they didn't

1718
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:06,700
know what was going to happen
afterwards.

1719
01:41:08,700 --> 01:41:14,900
So shut up.
So gags was actually made up to

1720
01:41:14,900 --> 01:41:18,500
promote a film titled.
You guessed it gags.

1721
01:41:20,300 --> 01:41:24,800
It's on Amazon.
Amazon Prime, I looked it up

1722
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:28,200
when I was writing my notes on
say, this actually does not seem

1723
01:41:28,200 --> 01:41:30,600
like a bad story, other premises
basically.

1724
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:34,500
Like there's this clown that
shows up in Green Bay Wisconsin

1725
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:37,300
and people were just thinking oh
well this is just a stupid

1726
01:41:37,300 --> 01:41:40,600
clown, you know.
Creepy is the but really, it's a

1727
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:43,200
killer creepy clown.
But yeah.

1728
01:41:43,300 --> 01:41:48,100
Um, so this movie came out in
2018, like I said, I haven't

1729
01:41:48,100 --> 01:41:51,400
watched it yet.
So this was two years before the

1730
01:41:51,400 --> 01:41:54,000
movie came out, they were trying
to promote it.

1731
01:41:54,400 --> 01:41:57,000
Okay.
See that's the failure here.

1732
01:41:58,400 --> 01:42:03,500
Like, you got to like drop that
like a couple weeks unless

1733
01:42:03,500 --> 01:42:05,900
you're like, Jordan Peele, who
can just be like listen is going

1734
01:42:05,900 --> 01:42:08,400
to be a movie that comes out in
a year and it's just it called.

1735
01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:11,200
Nope.
Like everyone's I'm high.

1736
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:14,600
I don't want this so bad.
Listen I was so upset when I

1737
01:42:14,608 --> 01:42:18,600
realized that it said 2022 and
not 2021.

1738
01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:21,200
I thought that movie was about
to come out in like three days.

1739
01:42:21,200 --> 01:42:25,400
I was so excited but like if
you're just a no-name Movie

1740
01:42:25,400 --> 01:42:29,200
Creator you can't drop the hint
about the movie.

1741
01:42:29,500 --> 01:42:32,700
Two years before it comes out.
I'm pretty sure.

1742
01:42:32,700 --> 01:42:36,500
Everybody forgot about that.
It's about exactly what's in

1743
01:42:36,500 --> 01:42:40,100
people's memories are very Very,
very short on the internet

1744
01:42:40,300 --> 01:42:45,200
goodness.
Now, if you thought that was the

1745
01:42:45,200 --> 01:42:49,900
end of it, you're looking more
foolish than a clown after.

1746
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:53,600
I'm sorry, you're really trying
to make these these clown gags

1747
01:42:53,600 --> 01:42:54,400
work here.
I'm sorry.

1748
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:57,000
I'm trying.
Hmm.

1749
01:42:57,400 --> 01:43:02,500
So, after Wisconsin, sightings
and the movie promo more and

1750
01:43:02,500 --> 01:43:05,600
more calm, sightings started to
pop up from some.

1751
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:07,600
Never knew about gags.
Yeah, I just knew it.

1752
01:43:07,608 --> 01:43:08,900
Got weird.
Yeah.

1753
01:43:11,200 --> 01:43:16,500
Mainly South Carolina to Canada,
she the UK and even Australia,

1754
01:43:16,700 --> 01:43:19,500
oh, we're a lot of evil
creatures live.

1755
01:43:19,500 --> 01:43:25,400
So right there, he clown,
coconut crabs that are toxic, so

1756
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:28,000
they can be eaten because they
eat everything in existence and

1757
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:29,900
have giant pincers.
Yeah.

1758
01:43:29,900 --> 01:43:33,300
They don't, you know, they have
they haven't damn spiders, that

1759
01:43:33,300 --> 01:43:35,400
attack Birds.
They have birds that attack

1760
01:43:35,400 --> 01:43:38,300
people.
We don't really need any clowns

1761
01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:40,500
Australia.
Real life is scary.

1762
01:43:42,200 --> 01:43:46,100
So at this point you know clowns
are all over the place.

1763
01:43:46,100 --> 01:43:48,600
Everybody's spotting clowns and
stuff, right?

1764
01:43:49,200 --> 01:43:58,000
They got so bad WCA WCA the
world Clown Association took

1765
01:43:58,000 --> 01:43:59,200
notice.
I didn't know there was a

1766
01:43:59,208 --> 01:44:01,400
world-class Association.
You were like WC.

1767
01:44:01,400 --> 01:44:07,000
I was like, yeah, I know it was
funnier without and you know,

1768
01:44:07,000 --> 01:44:09,700
they said I'm against it like
these clowns and I'm like, yo

1769
01:44:10,300 --> 01:44:14,800
and Reason why I did this is
because these creepy clowns on

1770
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:16,700
the side of the street, or
seeing in parking, lots, or

1771
01:44:16,700 --> 01:44:20,200
stalking people.
Oh, yeah, I may have seen videos

1772
01:44:20,200 --> 01:44:22,700
where people were like, in the
woods, just hiking.

1773
01:44:22,700 --> 01:44:24,600
Yeah.
And then on the path in front of

1774
01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:26,400
them, there's just a clown
standing there.

1775
01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:28,700
The thing is that was a real
person.

1776
01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:31,800
Yeah.
Just real life trolling people

1777
01:44:32,300 --> 01:44:38,400
and like these clowns ruining it
for real clowns who work at

1778
01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:42,400
circuses or amusing.
Parks are carnivals, you know?

1779
01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:45,200
Or they work at usually
children's parties here honest,

1780
01:44:45,300 --> 01:44:47,800
I just don't find clowns all
that interesting.

1781
01:44:48,100 --> 01:44:51,500
Except for the balloon animal
thing, make me something cool

1782
01:44:51,500 --> 01:44:53,300
with a balloon animal.
I'm here forever.

1783
01:44:53,300 --> 01:44:56,500
But I think it's maybe I'm
because I'm an old person.

1784
01:44:57,300 --> 01:45:01,700
Like, I'm just like, But like,
you know, y'all should be able

1785
01:45:01,700 --> 01:45:04,000
to make a living.
So yeah.

1786
01:45:04,200 --> 01:45:07,400
So yeah, 2016 was like one of
the worst times to be like a

1787
01:45:07,407 --> 01:45:11,300
professional clown, because o,
because of all the freaking

1788
01:45:11,300 --> 01:45:13,700
clown, sightings is this is
terrible.

1789
01:45:13,800 --> 01:45:16,600
It was terrible.
They Nintendo by like after

1790
01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:18,100
Halloween.
Yeah, it did.

1791
01:45:18,100 --> 01:45:20,000
It just dropped my, I'll get
into that.

1792
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:22,800
But it is really just dropped
off, right at the Halloween.

1793
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:25,800
And nobody knew what the fuck
was going on.

1794
01:45:28,100 --> 01:45:33,000
So weird.
So even sir, Ronald McDonald had

1795
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:35,300
to step away from the Limelight
for a little bit.

1796
01:45:35,300 --> 01:45:39,900
Wait, no, this is true.
McDonald's change the mask.

1797
01:45:39,900 --> 01:45:43,300
No, no he just, you know, he
just wasn't out in public I'll

1798
01:45:43,300 --> 01:45:45,900
like that anymore.
You know, they mean he's just

1799
01:45:45,900 --> 01:45:48,300
worried you know because the
clown is he out in public in

1800
01:45:48,300 --> 01:45:51,900
general I mean he's a is there
are other locations where you

1801
01:45:51,900 --> 01:45:54,400
can like meet Ronald McDonald's.
I don't think you can meet

1802
01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:56,900
Ronald McDonald and I'm pretty
sure like the dress was my

1803
01:45:56,900 --> 01:45:59,100
favorite anyway.
Then we Don was Playhouse

1804
01:45:59,100 --> 01:46:00,200
things.
They have.

1805
01:46:01,100 --> 01:46:04,600
I think they had McDonald.
They had a little statue statue

1806
01:46:04,600 --> 01:46:06,800
of Ronald McDonald.
I would think so.

1807
01:46:07,200 --> 01:46:09,000
I was think they, that's what
they did.

1808
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:12,100
I just know that he had likes,
that least, you know, the back

1809
01:46:12,100 --> 01:46:14,100
to him, they put him on a back
burner, for a little bit.

1810
01:46:16,900 --> 01:46:20,200
Clown costumes were banned and
pulled from stores like no

1811
01:46:20,200 --> 01:46:22,200
Spirit.
Halloween could carry these?

1812
01:46:22,200 --> 01:46:24,700
It all ha.
So people have to make their own

1813
01:46:24,700 --> 01:46:26,700
costumes if they wanted to be
assholes.

1814
01:46:26,700 --> 01:46:33,700
Oh my God.
And people like who work for

1815
01:46:33,700 --> 01:46:36,000
like theme parks, I'm used to
Parks.

1816
01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:39,100
You know, they were, you know,
makeup and stuff like, you know,

1817
01:46:39,100 --> 01:46:41,800
clowns.
So I know like Halloween Horror

1818
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:43,400
Nights.
They have like the scary clown.

1819
01:46:43,400 --> 01:46:45,300
Yeah, the big giant teeth and
stuff.

1820
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:47,300
Exactly.
And these people were warned,

1821
01:46:47,300 --> 01:46:49,900
like, you've got to, you got to
make sure that stuff is off your

1822
01:46:49,900 --> 01:46:53,200
face before you leave work
because you can't, like, just go

1823
01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:54,700
home and go.
Oh, I'll wash it off.

1824
01:46:54,700 --> 01:46:57,800
Ya know you gotta wash up before
you clock out and all that stuff

1825
01:46:57,800 --> 01:47:01,400
because freely The building
because people were out there

1826
01:47:01,400 --> 01:47:07,100
freaking out.
Okay, what else?

1827
01:47:07,400 --> 01:47:11,000
Oh, so apparently there's
supposed to be some type of

1828
01:47:11,400 --> 01:47:16,000
clown, Purge that happened to
your 2016 like clowns are

1829
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:17,300
supposed to start attacking
people.

1830
01:47:17,400 --> 01:47:19,300
Oh right.
Yeah, I do remember that.

1831
01:47:19,900 --> 01:47:24,600
Um, yeah.
On Halloween Eve day before

1832
01:47:24,600 --> 01:47:26,200
Halloween night before.
Halloween.

1833
01:47:26,200 --> 01:47:27,000
Whatever.
Yeah.

1834
01:47:27,800 --> 01:47:31,200
All Hallows Eve.
So Of course there wasn't like a

1835
01:47:31,300 --> 01:47:37,200
freaking long clown, Purge on
Halloween Eve but I was just

1836
01:47:37,200 --> 01:47:44,200
about to ask to somebody die.
No but on Halloween night there

1837
01:47:44,200 --> 01:47:46,000
was an attack.
Okay.

1838
01:47:46,200 --> 01:47:51,100
Hmm.
October 31st 2016, Jeff Brown

1839
01:47:51,100 --> 01:47:56,500
and his brother Tommy were out
driving in their pickup truck

1840
01:47:56,500 --> 01:47:59,100
with their wives.
Another adult woman.

1841
01:47:59,200 --> 01:48:05,900
Women and in total, five kids.
Oh no, and this is this happened

1842
01:48:06,700 --> 01:48:08,400
Orange County East?
Orange County.

1843
01:48:08,900 --> 01:48:10,700
Florida.
Okay.

1844
01:48:10,700 --> 01:48:13,400
Change my whole mind there, you
said, Orange County.

1845
01:48:13,400 --> 01:48:19,300
I thought California.
So I'm guessing after a

1846
01:48:19,300 --> 01:48:21,100
successful night of
trick-or-treating.

1847
01:48:21,900 --> 01:48:25,300
They're driving around, so
they're driving home when they

1848
01:48:25,300 --> 01:48:30,600
spot about and say 20 people
ahead I'm trying, you know, at

1849
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:35,500
the crosswalk where they all
clowns trying to push the

1850
01:48:35,500 --> 01:48:40,800
crosswalk button and um, you
know, Jeff the hmm.

1851
01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:45,400
Well his Jeff's thought was that
you know they were trying to

1852
01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:48,500
after the fact he thought they
were trying to.

1853
01:48:49,300 --> 01:48:52,800
So you know the traffic, you
know, The Pedestrian crosswalks,

1854
01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:56,100
you had a button you know, turn
the light green or whatever.

1855
01:48:57,000 --> 01:49:00,200
Yeah.
So his thought was was that they

1856
01:49:00,200 --> 01:49:03,700
were trying to push this button
so they can make the traffic

1857
01:49:03,700 --> 01:49:07,900
like turn red for income coming
cars.

1858
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:11,500
So they could scare people
attacked Them.

1859
01:49:12,800 --> 01:49:14,600
Not just scare people attack
them.

1860
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:19,900
So these people, these 20 people
or about 20 people, they were

1861
01:49:19,900 --> 01:49:24,500
wearing clown masks and they
were in purge masks as well.

1862
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:38,600
Yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's pink but

1863
01:49:38,900 --> 01:49:44,500
Jeff drill, right?
He they didn't do it in time for

1864
01:49:44,500 --> 01:49:49,600
like the light turned red.
So he just drove past them as he

1865
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:53,200
drove past them.
One of these, 20 people, throw

1866
01:49:53,200 --> 01:49:57,500
something at his truck.
He, of course, you know, pulls

1867
01:49:57,500 --> 01:50:01,200
over to check out the damage to
see if anybody was injured in

1868
01:50:01,200 --> 01:50:06,200
because he had the In his women
in the back and his brother was

1869
01:50:06,200 --> 01:50:12,600
a front with him so he gets out
to check damage.

1870
01:50:12,600 --> 01:50:18,900
Nothing is wrong, Airways fine
but These 20 people freaking

1871
01:50:18,900 --> 01:50:22,500
swarm them, of course.
He's from they swarm.

1872
01:50:22,600 --> 01:50:25,100
I don't know.
I don't know.

1873
01:50:25,200 --> 01:50:30,500
They were these form him and his
brother just wipes hops into the

1874
01:50:30,500 --> 01:50:34,000
driver's seat and tells her
you're like go get help.

1875
01:50:34,100 --> 01:50:36,000
So you know, get the kids to
safety.

1876
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:37,700
Yeah.
So you know, we're not here with

1877
01:50:37,700 --> 01:50:43,500
these people.
So they drive off, please these

1878
01:50:43,500 --> 01:50:48,300
two guys against these 20
people, and they had hockey

1879
01:50:48,300 --> 01:50:51,000
sticks.
He said, they had bats, they had

1880
01:50:51,000 --> 01:50:55,300
clubs, they had knives worried
for Jeff.

1881
01:50:55,500 --> 01:50:59,500
Hmm.
So Tommy gets knocked out or

1882
01:50:59,500 --> 01:51:04,200
knocked down by a hockey stick.
I think I read in one of these

1883
01:51:04,200 --> 01:51:07,700
reports, he actually got stabbed
to like, in the head with the

1884
01:51:07,700 --> 01:51:11,200
knife.
Yes, thing.

1885
01:51:11,200 --> 01:51:13,100
And if you want to kill
somebody, this was a good time

1886
01:51:13,100 --> 01:51:15,200
to do it.
Probably in a clown costume.

1887
01:51:15,500 --> 01:51:19,900
Yeah, unfortunately, so yeah,
Tommy gets you gets knocked down

1888
01:51:20,100 --> 01:51:22,400
and then he gets swarmed by more
people.

1889
01:51:23,800 --> 01:51:27,700
Jeff, finally gets.
He's able to break away and try

1890
01:51:27,700 --> 01:51:29,400
to get help, you know, try to go
and get help.

1891
01:51:29,400 --> 01:51:31,700
So, he's like, Tommy is this
there by himself?

1892
01:51:31,700 --> 01:51:38,400
Then, but I'm Jeff gets back,
though, this whole mob has just

1893
01:51:38,400 --> 01:51:42,700
disappeared, Scary scary.
Yeah.

1894
01:51:43,300 --> 01:51:50,500
So So the people who caused this
attack, this purge style attack

1895
01:51:52,700 --> 01:51:57,700
were thought to be teenagers
because Jeff said he recognized

1896
01:51:57,700 --> 01:52:00,700
like a couple of them as
teenagers in the neighborhood.

1897
01:52:02,700 --> 01:52:08,700
But I couldn't find any like
arrest for engine hate that you

1898
01:52:08,700 --> 01:52:11,100
find this like really
interesting news story and then

1899
01:52:11,100 --> 01:52:14,300
you can't find a follow-up.
Like there was no nothing else

1900
01:52:14,300 --> 01:52:16,400
after this.
I could not find any house after

1901
01:52:16,400 --> 01:52:19,500
this.
So I'm going to assume that

1902
01:52:19,500 --> 01:52:21,900
nobody was arrested in this
attack.

1903
01:52:22,300 --> 01:52:24,700
Hmm.
But yeah.

1904
01:52:26,300 --> 01:52:28,900
Oh yeah, apparently, this is
funny.

1905
01:52:29,200 --> 01:52:33,100
Creepy clowns were supposed to
make a comeback last year. 2020,

1906
01:52:35,300 --> 01:52:38,000
I guess like won't take talked
to her a couple videos I saw

1907
01:52:39,800 --> 01:52:43,900
creepy but you know, I guess
even creepy clowns are afraid of

1908
01:52:43,900 --> 01:52:46,800
covid, so they did not come
back.

1909
01:52:48,600 --> 01:52:52,200
But yeah, that's what I got for
creepy clowns I got something

1910
01:52:52,200 --> 01:52:55,600
else though.
Okay, yeah, I'm not done yet, I

1911
01:52:55,600 --> 01:53:00,500
guess I got some more.
Okay, so, anyway, clown suck,

1912
01:53:01,200 --> 01:53:02,400
let's talk about something
interesting.

1913
01:53:02,400 --> 01:53:07,800
He okay, let's talk about TV.
Okay.

1914
01:53:07,900 --> 01:53:12,700
That's right.
TV's aren't the rack your brain?

1915
01:53:12,800 --> 01:53:14,300
Yeah.
They aren't a pinnacle of

1916
01:53:14,300 --> 01:53:17,700
entertainment.
I mean, we have smartphones and

1917
01:53:17,900 --> 01:53:23,200
Tablets to, you know, Trail
entertain us with and computers,

1918
01:53:23,200 --> 01:53:26,000
of course to.
And, you know, every game is

1919
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:27,900
what you need to be for that.
Anyway, but so anyway.

1920
01:53:27,900 --> 01:53:31,400
Anyway, but something to watch
something about watching like

1921
01:53:31,400 --> 01:53:38,100
cable TV is just nostalgic and
speaking of TV, okay, and old

1922
01:53:39,100 --> 01:53:45,400
have you heard of TV?
Head of what TV head?

1923
01:53:47,200 --> 01:53:53,600
No or TV, man.
Okay, well if anybody else has

1924
01:53:54,400 --> 01:53:57,800
not talking about Fooly Cooly TV
boy Conte.

1925
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:05,900
But I'm talking about And almost
Santa Claus type person who

1926
01:54:05,900 --> 01:54:10,400
wears an old television set on
his head.

1927
01:54:10,700 --> 01:54:13,900
Is there a video of this?
Yes, a CCTV video.

1928
01:54:13,900 --> 01:54:16,300
I didn't know you had a name.
Yeah I thought it was just

1929
01:54:16,300 --> 01:54:18,900
somebody was like some weird guy
was outside of my house last

1930
01:54:18,900 --> 01:54:21,600
night with a TV honesty.
I didn't realize that this was a

1931
01:54:21,600 --> 01:54:24,600
name now.
Yeah he has a personality.

1932
01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:28,800
Well it was just I guess that
was the name TV head TV man.

1933
01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:30,100
Whatever they were trying to
claim him.

1934
01:54:31,100 --> 01:54:35,100
Okay.
Me as an old TV, TV set on his

1935
01:54:35,100 --> 01:54:38,500
head and he drops off owed
television sets.

1936
01:54:38,500 --> 01:54:40,600
Yeah.
To random people at night.

1937
01:54:40,700 --> 01:54:43,000
Where did this happen?
No one knows why.

1938
01:54:43,100 --> 01:54:49,000
Now, they'll take care.
Oh, this happened in Henrico

1939
01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:51,500
County Virginia.
Okay.

1940
01:54:51,900 --> 01:54:55,600
So yeah, this didn't happen over
world is just it is one area.

1941
01:54:56,100 --> 01:54:58,900
Well, yeah, because that means
that everybody would have had to

1942
01:54:58,900 --> 01:55:05,300
commit to a very strange I don't
know like outfit that's just

1943
01:55:05,300 --> 01:55:07,900
weird.
We'll get into that later.

1944
01:55:08,700 --> 01:55:13,400
Like it's probably not that easy
to even find those old TVs

1945
01:55:13,400 --> 01:55:16,300
anymore.
Well well the tube TVs, right?

1946
01:55:16,400 --> 01:55:19,500
Yeah.
You don't have to have an actual

1947
01:55:19,500 --> 01:55:23,700
tube TV to make this head.
How many people made this for

1948
01:55:23,700 --> 01:55:29,800
the following Halloween?
Okay, okay, I need your answer,

1949
01:55:29,800 --> 01:55:36,700
just let me know.
Apparently a lot of people So,

1950
01:55:36,700 --> 01:55:42,000
anyway, the weekend of August
2000, 1950 households in, like I

1951
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:45,400
said, Henrico County, Virginia,
wake up to fine.

1952
01:55:45,400 --> 01:55:48,900
Oh, TV sets, just sitting on
their porches and TVs were

1953
01:55:48,900 --> 01:55:53,100
placed at a certain way.
They were facing into, you know,

1954
01:55:53,400 --> 01:55:56,300
so that the people who open the
door would see like their selves

1955
01:55:56,300 --> 01:56:01,600
in the TV screen, that's funny.
This definitely reminds me of

1956
01:56:01,600 --> 01:56:06,500
that Sci-Fi show.
We watched each one, the one

1957
01:56:06,500 --> 01:56:08,400
with the kids obsessed with that
TV show.

1958
01:56:08,700 --> 01:56:11,400
Oh Oh, you mean chemical?
Yeah.

1959
01:56:11,400 --> 01:56:16,800
Okay, yeah.
So a few home security cameras,

1960
01:56:17,000 --> 01:56:19,600
caught glimpses of this person
or these people.

1961
01:56:19,600 --> 01:56:23,700
This is a group thing was a Duo
as a team.

1962
01:56:23,800 --> 01:56:26,500
I think it was, it was a team
and it was to, at least two,

1963
01:56:26,500 --> 01:56:28,500
people always thought it was the
same guy.

1964
01:56:28,500 --> 01:56:30,900
No, no, no.
This one guy he were he was

1965
01:56:30,900 --> 01:56:32,900
taller.
He had like a white jumpsuit on.

1966
01:56:33,100 --> 01:56:34,700
Okay?
All the guy had like a blue

1967
01:56:34,700 --> 01:56:42,100
jumpsuit on a little shorter?
yeah, you know, a person or

1968
01:56:42,100 --> 01:56:48,700
people wearing televisions sets
on their head, delivering TVs,

1969
01:56:49,800 --> 01:56:55,600
the gift of television, Now the
old televisions, there's what?

1970
01:56:55,600 --> 01:56:57,600
Yeah there there's I know,
right?

1971
01:56:57,600 --> 01:56:59,400
I would have soda still taking
it, okay?

1972
01:56:59,500 --> 01:57:01,200
Right is going to accept this
gift.

1973
01:57:01,200 --> 01:57:05,300
I have an old TV set not home,
but it's in the garage but yeah,

1974
01:57:05,300 --> 01:57:10,900
it's a big old.
It has like At the at when this

1975
01:57:10,900 --> 01:57:15,100
one was made, I guess didn't
have like a cooling the way they

1976
01:57:15,100 --> 01:57:18,400
cool TVs.
Was it like they put some mint

1977
01:57:18,400 --> 01:57:22,200
in the bottom of it but I'm not
about that so that you know it

1978
01:57:22,200 --> 01:57:27,900
won't overheat and so this TV is
extremely heavy that I have it.

1979
01:57:27,900 --> 01:57:30,200
Yeah sure.
Sounds like like I can pick it

1980
01:57:30,200 --> 01:57:38,400
up a little bit but already bud
like my muscles like I can't

1981
01:57:38,400 --> 01:57:40,400
pick it up so high.
I'm picking up a little bit and

1982
01:57:40,400 --> 01:57:42,400
then put it on something but
that's about it.

1983
01:57:42,500 --> 01:57:45,000
My mom.
Yeah.

1984
01:57:45,800 --> 01:57:51,400
So one of the the CTR the
doorbell camera videos that I

1985
01:57:51,400 --> 01:57:53,900
loved the ring light, right?
Yeah the Rings.

1986
01:57:53,900 --> 01:57:57,900
Yeah.
Was one of the TV guys heat

1987
01:57:57,900 --> 01:58:00,000
sets.
You know he sets the TV down,

1988
01:58:00,400 --> 01:58:02,600
he's carrying on reports.
He said, sit down you know you

1989
01:58:02,600 --> 01:58:05,400
just hits and makes it further
is facing properly nice and

1990
01:58:05,400 --> 01:58:08,400
gingerly he does it very, very
nice.

1991
01:58:10,300 --> 01:58:13,700
And then, you know, he starts
walking down the stairs and he

1992
01:58:13,700 --> 01:58:16,600
turns around looks right at the
camera and he just you know, he

1993
01:58:16,600 --> 01:58:21,200
waves at the camera and just you
know, walks off.

1994
01:58:21,600 --> 01:58:25,700
Hmm.
Less creepy.

1995
01:58:25,800 --> 01:58:30,300
Like this is like a complete
contrast to freaking clowns

1996
01:58:31,200 --> 01:58:33,200
true.
Because I'm less bothered by

1997
01:58:33,200 --> 01:58:35,900
this because this guy is just
like out having fun.

1998
01:58:35,900 --> 01:58:38,800
Yeah, exactly.
Like, I mean, I guess the clouds

1999
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:42,900
were out having fun too.
Hey, but they were having fun in

2000
01:58:42,900 --> 01:58:44,700
the malicious kind of way.
Yeah.

2001
01:58:44,700 --> 01:58:47,200
This was like they attack
people.

2002
01:58:47,200 --> 01:58:49,500
Yeah, they were out to scare.
Who will this guy is not out to

2003
01:58:49,500 --> 01:58:51,100
scary?
We just out to deliver

2004
01:58:51,100 --> 01:58:54,000
television sets.
For some reason.

2005
01:58:57,200 --> 01:59:02,600
So yeah, either way the cops
were called soon and they

2006
01:59:02,600 --> 01:59:05,600
started collecting TVs up you
know the go recycle them.

2007
01:59:07,200 --> 01:59:11,800
So no charges were pursued.
Since no real crime was

2008
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committed right?
Except for like I guess the cop

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said it would be considered like
illegal dumping.

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Yeah.
Because at this time like you

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know how we're supposed to
recycle those old TV sets,

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instead of just drawing them
away.

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Now, mhm.
So yeah that's the thing.

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So did you know That no, you
didn't know.

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So I'm going to let you know.
There are a lot of cosplayers

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who have.
So this is not like a cause not

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only a cosplay.
This is like a whole somebody's

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made a webtoon about this by now
it's a whole what's the word for

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like a community of it's just a
whole community of people and

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they're called object heads.
Oh.

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So I guess it started way.
Before this happened.

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These objects heads were just TV
friends.

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Yeah.
So Objects, I guess this

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happening.
He doesn't like yeah, we both

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live in the same city.
Let's get weird.

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Yo probably I guess like to
start this hardened like 2011 or

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object, heads were like a big
and popular.

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Like like, I don't know, just
have like a microphone for you.

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I like siren head ich.
Habe not creepy.

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But, yeah, like I said, yeah,
Fooly Cooly, have you watched

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that?
And I met.

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Okay.
Anyways, watchfully Cooley, it's

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awesome.
I'm just saying, is there's a

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robot, honor, his name's Conte.
He has a freaking monitor as

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ahead.
Yeah.

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And And like I said, a lot of
cosplayers, they'd use the TV

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had nothing and like, I was what
I think I was watching like

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either YouTube or freaking
Tick-Tock and I just, I was

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like, what the heck is that?
What they're friggin TV heads?

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Like I remembered this story but
I was like, this has I have

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anything to do with that.
Does it not really?

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I think it's just like a Whole,
it's a whole separate world.

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Yes, two people mother Branch
off.

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Giveaway TVs.
And honestly, I kind of want one

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just because just shake her head
and he's awesome looking.

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Anyway, that is what I have for.
My weirdness is weak.

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I hope you guys enjoyed it.
Yeah, that's something creepy

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clowns and awesome TV, guys
dropping off TVs.

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