Episode 23. Ed Gein: Don't Let Him Decorate Your Home

0:20 Everybody in serial killer country. My name is Brittany. Ransom, and my name is Brian jr. And this is when Killers get caught a podcast devoted to deep dives, into the lives. And psyches of the Eller's, we love to learn about each week. Brian, I find a True Crime Story that resonated with us and I will discuss one well-known or lesser known killer go deep into their childhood lies methodology, and most importantly how they got caught, and then we get a little spooky and we'll learn something about Cryptids or the supernatural with Brian. Ye never know what to say. That's me. Yes, that's me. But yeah, so I guess it's just said, but we don't have any extra sponsors this week.

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1:45 Yes, we're getting that, we can maintain kind of a less add Centric podcast. Nobody likes to have the action disrupted multiple times. No, yeah, we can have like you said less ads but that way, we The afford to run a pack. Exactly. Lady. Hey, but either way, this weekend, true cry, I happened to come across a video of the New York Post about a woman who, how do I explain this? So she got arrested first, we'll explain that part. First, she got arrested for like, oh, here we go. So her name is Jessica Boomer shine and this happen In Ohio and she was arrested for breaking into an 85 year old home and assaulting him at gunpoint. And so she's in Dayton Ohio and like, the booking area. And so there's a video.

2:44 The video is Hershey while she's waiting for booking. I don't know why she thought this would work, but she stands up on her chair and tries to climb into the ceiling and her video camera. Yes, there is a, this video footage. Okay. So you guys CTU. So going on. Okay? And she, like, wriggles through the ceiling, but like, is I always say this to people all the time. It's not like the movies. Those drop ceilings cannot, hold people wait. Oh no. And so, she immediately falls back down. As soon as she gets up, like, they can barely. I bet they couldn't even hold my weight. And so on top of facing, you know, armed robbery charges and assaulting an 85 year old man.

3:27 She's now facing charges for For trying to escape prison that she hadn't even gotten into yet, my God and destruction of property for ruining their ceiling. In central booking girl, you just you should just sit in your seat. She's looking, she's a little bruised in the face when I saw her like, well, you know, from the filigree, I think she was like a lot falls down and then she's like, dangling, so yeah, you can look it up. Online. Her name is Jessica Boomer shine and poor Jessica, no more. Jessica other fault. People are Not the smartest things don't work out the way movie. No, no, no. But that was the one that I saw and I just chuckled for entirely too long time.

4:08 Hilarious. Hey, Mission possible. Yeah, Mission Impossible. That's true impossible. You going to get out of prison? Bam. Like what? Like and and like it's not even like because when I first saw like, you know, apparent jailbreak comes crashing down. I thought maybe she was in prison and she had orchestrated some sort of a Prison Break. Break. She was barely in. She had just gotten arrested in the booking section. Oh my goodness. Well, yeah. And then she like a foul on like a trashcan. It was just totally like you. You comedy? You poor stupid idiot. That's really what you got to say you poor idiot. Oh goodness, okay.

4:50 Well hey guess what what? I got a story from PA. Oh good, I love this. One comes from Lackawanna County. I couldn't point that out on a map. I think it's East Northeast from I think Northeast from I think it's like Eastern. So like heading towards New York, I think it's heading towards like Like want to, like, I want to come on. I know where that's at. I think I've driven by their sounds familiar but I couldn't pull a map. I think it's around. The area has to be running are anyway. Headline reads, police break up exorcism at p8 Hometown about 10 times across all of my Pennsylvanian groups even in my local community like neighborhood group. This was posted, I found this was, this is actually opposed to in pain live.

5:43 So it's been everywhere. All weekend. End. I I've been holding on to this. I was like, I saw it. It was like, saving you for Monday. I'm trying to like look at the map right now. Where are you? But it happened in Lackawanna. I didn't see where it happened. So it says, police and Lackawanna County broke up an exorcism in the lumber aisle of a home improvement store Monday. It was a Home Depot. So this was last Monday of the 24th. Yeah, it was a Home Depot. So it says, right I guess. So it's not far from Scranton. Yes. Like I said, Northeastern Everybody knows screen. Yeah, the life of City. Yes, the whole office Electric City Electric City.

6:26 They know is the electric city. Nothing. Going on his grain. Oh my God, I'm sorry, I'm such a filly snob, I'm so sorry terrible. I only love Philadelphia and I'm sad. I'm not there now. He gotta get some respect this great and just a little bit. I want to go back. Look for substrate and I know no to Philly. It says details of scares. What was actually going on inside the Home Depot for what? Okay. Did they say why they were doing the exorcism? It says for bed. It said it. Well, it says they were the police came.

7:07 They scored people out for bad behavior. It was because of the trees. Yes, yes, yes, it's trying to exorcism Spirits out. The exorcism was held for the trees. I had to turn into Lumber. Yep. Beautiful, yeah. That's what I think of when I think of Pennsylvania that sort of weirdness. I don't even know how that would work. I've seen exorcisms before. Well, you know, you know, movies. Move Emily Rose. And well, I was thinking like, what? Rosewood level of Rosewood Emily Rose? Would you go? Oh my God, but I just don't know how to work out. You drove a holy water onto the lumber.

7:49 Yep, it's been everywhere. Like, that's crazy. Um, yeah. So this easy but it definitely, I'd like, I definitely did see an article from Philadelphia that said it was Home Depot. Definitely Home Depot is what it says, it says, 3. 06 comers Boulevard at 3:26 p.m. comers move. Our at Home Depot. Yeah. Well you know, 3 p.m. is the witching hour, according to the spook it's 3:30 a.m. they had to be 3:30 a.m. It could have been 3:30 p.m. oh my goodness, listen 333, that's when the demons come out 12 afternoon and in the morning. But we're the trees haunting Lindsey Graham's, you kids get off of school because that is what the demons get out. This is true.

8:31 Now that makes a lot of sense now. Anyway, we're that. It doesn't say if the trees if they thought the trees were haunting the Home Depot or what is that mean? I could assume one would think, if you think that everything has a spirit. Maybe everything is haunting everything. Yeah, I guess, maybe he wanted to release his spirits. The tree Spirit I'm even is haunting me. Oh my God! The walls are made of wood aren't they? Inside my drawer? Listen. This building is not me that there's gotta be something in here. You think it's boring? Yeah, but that's about it. But send the wall show enough are not concrete because I can hear everything that's true. Somebody's upstairs.

9:16 They're made out of paper. I can hear that hammer. So it wasn't made out of paper. So there you go. I don't complain because I feel like if you live in an apartment you just got to live with that stuff. That's true. It's true. You do you have not earned the right of privacy? Um, two more things it says closed. 200 comments on the post LG have begged for more details. They're not give me more details and then it says there's no indication incident had anything to do with the price of lumber. So wow. And it says, according to reports, no charges have been filed at this time. So I just want to know what that looked like, same. I just want to like, who was there working at Home Depot and they like, turn the aisle taken like, well, Paula and James who are redoing their R bathroom into the hole and there's just a bunch of people in capes.

10:08 I just want to see someone posted ticks talk about because I know there's one out there has to be a video of it out there. Home Depot employees, come on. Help me out. I want to watch some videos. Well, the did you see the original Facebook post? Because what it was, it was a list of all of the criminal activity that happened on June 21st. So it was like, you know, 12 a.m. we were looking for a juvenile who was out when they weren't supposed to be and to 15 assault. Out to 58. Looking for the same people who saw the people earlier. God, 8:13 a.m. debris in the roadway 823 suspicious person on this blog, 836 Dollar, Tree lot for a dog waste complaint also is Lackawanna that free from crime that you call. When you see poop, it's great and we know it's great and it's up in Reading area, I'm not sure but yeah there was a traffic stop traffic stop welfare check on a person. And then, all of a sudden, it gets 2326 disorderly. People having an exorcism in the lumber aisle for dead tree, they were escorted out of the building. And what happened was somebody circled that and it got posted in my had to be Pennsylvania, group, and people were like, I don't even care about the rest of the day kids. Someone please give us more details about this. That's all I do.

11:26 What I want more details about this exorcism. I need to know what the hell. Yeah. You know what, those someone that I says, why would someone call the police for dog poop in a parking lot? So once it's probably because somebody stepped in when they were getting out of her car, it was right next to where they go, like are But who knows they have II? That's been the talk of Pennsylvania which is let you know what's going on, Pennsylvania? Not much happening saying. This is where we are. Y'all pennsatucky is still pennsatucky. There you go. That's that's what I got for this week. When Killers get caught is sponsored by the magic class Boutique.

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13:48 of doing this podcast, that's, you know, Bundy Ramirez Dahmer, Raider Ridgeway gay seek a Berkowitz, Manson game, and it's not just because I find them to be overdone, but there's actually like such a sheer volume. Of sources to sift through and so many different opinions that I find it very overwhelming and I would also like to be able to hire a researcher help me with the work for those kind of big ones. but, That said I've been kind of fixated on one of the big time. Okay who doesn't have that many murders under his belt and it's a hotly debated topic of that whether he's a serial killer or not because of the number of kills Who do you think I'm talking about?

14:43 I don't know, thinking racking my brain over here. I don't know, Tommy, well, I'll give you a hint. He his like story is the backstory for some very iconic horror movies. Psycho Texas, Chainsaw Silence of the Lambs. So anybody else who's listening and like, probably banging your head on your car stealing, I will shut up again and so to a piece of our fans who keep wanting to know what my opinion, on some of the Big Ten are and also to satisfy my brains need to like mull over him for the last couple of weeks. I decided that we were going to talk about. Again, like I said, he inspired psycho because of the inappropriate relationship.

15:35 He had with his mother, Texas Chainsaw Massacre because of the whole wearing people skin and so on The limbs because also, the wearing people skin. Yeah, I'm sure many of you listening, know a lot about him, but I do hope you learned something new because this is going to be more at. This is heavier into the people who raised him and his family long before he became the, the body snatcher that we know of where the the Butcher of Plainfield But yeah, a lot of this, what we're more, what started me on the rabbit hole here is a book called deviant the Shocking, True Story of Ed Gein. The original Psycho by Harold, Schechter, and that's where a lot.

16:18 I found a lot of the history of his family. Hmm. Okay. So before we talk about Edward Theodore game or game game, I don't know. It's a German name. Let's talk a little bit about the family. He was born into and how I would say it almost seemed like his family started in tragedy. So we're checking 1879. George Keen is a little boy. He's only 3 years old. His family has a farm on Coon Valley Wisconsin, which is about 15 miles outside of La Crosse. Wisconsin, George's mother, father, and older sister get into their horse-drawn carriage.

16:58 They set out to go to town and they all died. Well, sounds like Jojo, the family got caught in a flash flood JoJo, borrows from a lot of history, but the family got caught in a flash flood while they were trying to cross the Mississippi River, which I didn't realize extends across all of America and George was orphaned at 3 years old. He was taken in by his maternal, grandparents, who lived in an ear at a nearby Farm. There aren't a whole lot of details about his life here, especially since it was 1800s. Midwest, orphans are actually really common in history back then because of how hard life was. Yeah, okay. Outside of his family dying when he was a child, he lived a very mundane and kind of normal early life. He went to elementary school.

17:45 He began an apprenticeship at a local blacksmith. He did that in his twenties. Until he decided that Country Life wasn't really for him and he moved to the nearest like bigger city. Another common aspect of both adolescents than and now we all turn, you know, 18 and want to like run away very true. That's not what I did. I left here when lived in Philadelphia from a decade but George got. As far as La Crosse, he was a Drifter who couldn't really keep a job. He sold insurance, he tried to Apprentice as a carpenter, he worked at a Tannery, he worked at the city power plan. He got a job working on. Chicago, Milwaukee, and st. Paul, Railway back, when there were just like a couple of routes, both of my sources mentioned that.

18:30 During this time, he picked up a mighty, big drinking habit, like not just, but like, all of the sources reference, the fact that while when he moved it across, he picked up the bottle, he liked to drink, he liked the sauce. Hayes, General Schedule was go to work. Make his day right? Hit the saloon. End it all. I mean. He didn't have any other responsibilities, he's that he's go home and feel kind of bad about himself, which I got to tell you. There's a song of prompted by my Tick-Tock that was just like, why do I feel bad? You only sleep four hours a week know that. Is it gonna sleep four hours a night? I was like, why is this person? Yeah, that's me on the internet.

19:13 Yeah, that'd be me. It was like she was like, I feel terrible. You eat terribly and I was just like, buddy, no. I'll call me out. Why is it so loud? but, I didn't, it probably wasn't helping his mental health and feelings. Yeah, no, I mean, alcoholism somehow during this time, he manages to find a woman, the woman that he would marry. And her name was Augusta. She's from a large family, whose patriarch had emigrated here in 1970 from Germany. They settled in La Crosse immediately and then George Augustus met in 1899, Georgia, 24.

19:58 And Augusta was 19 and Augusta was described in so many different things. As a thick-set, buxom woman with a face permanently fixed, in a look of fierce determination and self-assurance. So she was a boss. She had a boss looking. She was a thick thick lady with a boss attitude. Yeah. Apparently and apparently George thought that was quite lovely. I mean, who doesn't mean? She's also very religiously though extremely so never mind like she really thought the modern world was very immoral. She is raised um what her family called like Old World values and she did not like the looseness of the youth. And she was exactly like her dad who was a very strict disciplinarian, who thought that their way beliefs were the only way that one could be.

20:51 Now I haven't really described what George look like but he's described as being a strong Simple Man. Reserved dignified he and Augusta were both Lutheran and he absolutely hit his alcoholism from her of course I mean because that goes Super against being religious. But George found her personality be quite impressive. She always handled things she had the family that he wished he'd always had and Augusta and never really been sought after by men. So I think she was very flattered by the attention and she felt that they shared the same values because they were Christian. He they got married a few months later on, December, 4th 1899. And that's kind of the beginning of the end of that fairy tale.

21:35 That's it. Nothing. Well, it gets bad. The good part ends. At that part, that's just the way they were both or tending to be the best versions of themselves. That's a good part of my God. Okay, well, Augusta realizes very quickly that she's connected to a man who is unreliable financially and she isn't too happy with the drink. Hmm, to try and keep the household running, she kind of leaned into her worst traits becoming more, like hard and more rigid and more intolerant. Because for her, she was like stuck with kind of like a worthless schmuck who couldn't keep a job and had no ambition. It responded to her behavior with withdrawing into himself and refusing to speak at all when he was home. Oh, sometimes he'd come back from the bar, they get into a fight, he'd hit her.

22:25 Okay, I'm not sure why they thought a child would fix their relationship. A lot of people do, but they decided they were going to do it and so they had a baby boy. January 17th 1902, his name is Henry. And Henry didn't have, well, I'll say this early on Henry, didn't have a great life and he died very, very young. No. But there were a lot of weird deaths around this family and I'll get into those little bit later. Augusta didn't feel all that close to her first child and she figured it was because he was a boy So she decided she was like, I guess I'll just put up with sex with my husband until she gets pregnant a second time.

23:07 Oh my God. That's giving birth to Edward Theodore game. Another boys though, August 27th 1906 and I was gonna be the last one because she wasn't gonna do this no more. What are you just gonna treat your kids just poorly? Well, you're one came out to be a mad dad, this episode sir, I hate this. Okay, so I guess was pretty upset. She didn't have a girl, but she decided if I'm going to have two boys, I'm going to raise them to be better than their father and better than most men. There you go. That's what you supposed to do. But I guess it gets worse. It's bad. Well, George is struggling to find work after the boys. Both boys are born.

23:51 And Augusta is like, listen, both of my brothers are Merchants, you could just become an entrepreneur and like I think as you and I both know not, everyone is cut out for that life. See see? So she thought though, that there was no way that he could ruin this because like it's he's working for himself, he makes money, he keeps the money but he just didn't have the motivation for anything and you can tell in the records because there's a lacrosse city directory. And in 1909 he is listed as the owner of a small grocery store and 914 Caledonia Street. And two years later, the owner is listed as Augusta Gein.

24:35 And George has been demoted to clerk. What the hell? It's in the record. How do you go from owning your own grocery store to being just a freaking clerk? Yep. And your wife just took your business from you. She's like Fuck. You think this saying you're not going to be the work. What he did do was he worked as a clerk. Be also like did a lot of Butchery. Hmm. He like when they got animals in it was like a shed out behind the grow, the grocery store. And the boys were told never to go there, but it does have a memory of when he was fairly young sneaking out back. Back and being kind of shocked as hell to see sissy like, like a carcass hanging from the ceiling. Right? Right. Yeah. Okay. Probably not a good idea. Yeah, not for kids. Damn man, you got damn.

25:19 Okay. The first couple years of Eddie and Howard's life, it's okay. They're babies so you can't really do too much with like their little true. But Augusta was very much, a serious disciplinarian and then around the time that Ed is 7. By the time he turns seven, she's completely the head of the household 1913. She decides that the gain family weren't going to be emergency more, and she sells that business so that they can become Farmers. Because in her head she was like, well, if we're landowners, that's some kind of wealth. And she wanted to remove her children from the very Wicked Ways of the city. So they moved to a small dairy farm in the lowlands near Camp Douglas which is about 40 miles east of La Crosse. But they only stay there for a year because Augusta who still trying to seek out wealth.

26:08 Finds a larger piece of land that she could afford and they moved there in 1914. 195, Acre Farm in Plainfield known to the locals as the old John Greenfield Place. Yeah, this deed was 100% in her name. Unlike most families where the lamb was in the husband's name and Augusta was, you know, living the best life. She didn't get him as cosine or nothing like that. No little, like tiny pieces. It's also like massive at this point. Like, you got an eight-year-old tagging or old a man who's not doing a whole lot and a woman who's a couple of like, is he like a farmhand at least he helped around originally and, It was his massive for a four-person family, right? She didn't have to like chase after the boys. The tell him to stop trying to watch the animals get butchered. But there were other, like, I would say issues with having such a big property and also having small children doing the work there, but I'll get into that. I mean, yeah, they probably got lost somewhere. Yeah, she decorated the house.

27:22 Very chaste in terms of Furnishing furnishings and like the nicest things went to their parlor for and here's where like the issues come from. They were very isolated on this Farm. Like the closest like neighbors were like a good like Mile away from there, like main house. But for our children, this was awful. Like she found the locals to be morally, reprehensible and she said about continuing to teach our children. The whole, you know, God fire Brimstone. And she had a real like kind of haughty attitude about her farm and how she kept it really beautiful. And like, she thought people were jealous of her and the locals were particularly fond of her, but she didn't care, like, it's for her, sons were the only friends that she needed.

28:12 Oh, Now, Augusta love the idea of keeping her kids isolated, but she couldn't keep them 100% of way from the ills of the world, because they had to go to school. And so, ever started attending the Rocha Creek grade school, which is a small school house that had one room in 12 kids. And then later, that's cool merged with a larger school called the white school and he was there from 8 years old to 16. And at that time your formal education was pretty much over unless you want to go to college as a student. Ed was, he's capable but kind of lackluster, kind of like it. Dad years later after he was caught and his crimes. In public, they put him under just a boatload of psychological tests and IQ test and learned that he had an average IQ for people of the time.

28:55 Hmm. Ed was a really good reader though, and like a lot of really quiet kids. He filled his time with books of All Sorts, including some that were weird and we'll talk about that later. Like I said, he was a really quiet kid. He didn't have a lot of friends. He spent his full-time of the only he could relate to his Smooth made to were all friends and he wanted to be accepted so he tried to imitate them but it didn't really work every. So often he would like almost get there and like almost make a friends would be like look socialization. And he come home and he'd tell his mom like, oh, I met this kid and his mom would immediately squash it. She tell him that that kids family and a bad reputation or that the mom was a woman of questionable. Moral fiber from before she got married. Santa kid are rumors about that boy's father. Other and because as like adored her, he was like, okay. And he would go back to school and he wouldn't talk to that kid anymore.

29:51 Yeah. Yeah. So I will say this while the other kids saw that he was weird. There were none of the big three, you know, serial killer ticks that we learned about in the modern era. He never went to bed, he never set fires, he never harmed animals and he's a child. Any head injuries. Hmm, no, huh? There's absolutely nothing in his childhood that would show that he would suffer from such severe psychosis. 40 years later. Hmm. Interesting. Okay. Maybe with the amount of understanding we have about these things. Now, like a gifted psychiatrist might have seen it, but he was just like, a weird kid with a goofy grin and like, a little lazy eye.

30:37 It not talk to people, and he laughed at weird jokes that he made himself, who doesn't? He also stared at the girls in his classroom, but he never touched anybody. Or try to do anything inappropriate? Okay, I mean, we hold on a sec. So bear wedding is like, a big Yeah, that's one of the three things that they've determined is a sign of. It's not just bedwetting, but it's bedwetting well into the teenage years. Okay. Not like your kids like just potty training and having issues like not like you are 21 and you drank too much and you forgot to get out of bed. No this is like it's consistent. Bedwetting. Well into your teenager. Okay. Okay, thank you for clarifying hoes like I'm not worried which please explain more. I've died.

31:22 I'm not where I was I were you worried about yourself, right? This isn't guy. What? Yes, exactly. Little toomai 30s is still wetting the bed. Watch out for me people. That's the age of serial killers. One of the issues he had. It's cool that he was considered to be a bit effeminate and his mannerisms. He cried a lot and like he couldn't take a joke like any sort of teasing he couldn't handle it. Like one story that was referenced in Harold. Schechter's book. Was that somebody like mentioned that He had a bag on his life because he had this like skin tag that his mom never got cut off. And so, like, he just mentioned it and like it was no, like, you know, like sometimes kids like someone says something.

32:02 So somebody says something back to them, he didn't have that in him at all. Yeah, he just started sobbing and they were just like, oh my God, like what? I was wrong with him. And so for him this like, even a little bit of teasing that would happen. He was just like, oh, my mom's right? These people are horrible. So that's kind of like like how he grew up and during the years that end Henry were in elementary school, the family was financially struggling, Augustus purchase of this, massive plot of land. Proved to be more difficult than she imagined. They were always worried if they had enough food to feed themselves by the time that Ed was a teenager, his father had stopped working on the farm. At all.

32:47 And he just spent his time laying out drinking abusing both of his wife and children, whenever we were little, he would physically hit them. But by the time they were teenagers even though they were smaller than your average. Teen at the time, they were far too big to be hit. He wasn't trying to, you know, get that smoke. Okay, how I just wanted to mention, I just want to say, how are you, man? Just laying around. Do nothing. He needs the prize here, abusing your family. How do you do that? Entire groups of men who specifically seek out women like myself, who are a little on the bigger side so that they can live off of them because they're like, oh well, you know, she can't get anybody, so fuck that, shit stupid, and then try and like live off of you. And then yeah, when they were teenagers, I bet he didn't want that smoke.

33:40 No, he didn't want that smoke. Once they got bigger, of course, but what he would do is he would like rant and Rave and like scream at them and insult. That was such a cool, dude. Yeah. Apparently, there was an argument that ad remember, very vividly when he was being interviewed where his father like accused Augusta of cheating on him, which is so out of like her morale. Like guideline and besides that she didn't have any time and she on anybody because she was working on the farm or cleaning the fucking hell working her asshole. Yeah. Um but I guess it took the beatings and the physical and verbal abuse woman.

34:24 She will because God said divorce is wrong and her thinking was if the Lord had saddled her with this man, then it was Herbert. Okay, but he God never say you can't fight back now. Ah, that's the Bible I'll say so you couldn't take it like a two-by-four guess his head, you know, at didn't really handle his parents fighting like that and he became more reclusive and more separate from his family. And I would feel like this, Is kind of like one of the early places where there might have been a separation of reality for him, which is, we know, now, in hindsight, it's PTSD thing that sometimes people who are struggling are suffering from PTSD, begin to lean into their fantasy world as a means to cope. Hmm, especially like children who are abused victims. Like you find a happy place to go to when the bad thing is happening.

35:17 And for him, it was these books that he was reading. And I unfortunately I remember being a quiet smart kid who only read books all the time because of trauma, interesting Sal hahaha But time passed, Adam Henry, become young man, George sinks deeper into his depression. Augusta takes to nagging the boys about everything which is specially the evils of the Modern Woman. Of course specifically that Plainfield women were the worst and she knew based on magazines and newspapers that these girls were horrible because they were short skirts.

36:01 And powdered their faces and there's lipstick. And she told her son's that all women were tainted. Always knew women were tainted and Fallen. Let you know that this is like the 1930s. So everything that any previous generation says about the next generation is always the same thing. It's never different. Every previous generation is like, oh, these children, they're gonna bring down the downfalls civilization. Look at them in their inappropriate clothing. And I'm like, that is what they say nowadays. And All the time. Did you? Interesting fact? Well, I'm pretty sure you're a nudist. Did you know that? The human brain has not evolved since like in thousands of years make sense.

36:42 So we still have the same brain as our ancestors did like thousands of years ago, but like Australopithecus or like human like you know Homo sapiens. I think not the pre pre people but like the people like the heel Homo sapiens Homo sapiens. Okay. I mean so at least we've evolved from you know, Cro-Magnon. Yeah, sort of, I'm just like, because I'm thinking like so how people think they're smart? Now, people were, people were saying like same not intelligence back then and then people still do the same shit. They did back then today, of course. Absolutely. Well, that's like, okay, so I love this because I love the older black folks, who are always talking about how young but you know look at them being all sexy shaking their booties and all that whatever.

37:30 But But I remember, okay my this is literally in my father's study right now and it's a very famous painting. That's easily like 80 years old and is a bunch of black folks in like a cage as type club and they are all just swiveling and a-shakin and booties are popped out and I was like, how dare you tell me that people worked working eight years ago? But it's always been twerking just had a different name. Then they, we really have been twerking. Thanks. Since we were in high school where it's working there, too. That's what I'm saying about talking about. How do you kids are up on new stuff? Oh my God. Nothing new. It's got different and it does.

38:10 I know it's not like old people. My God anyway though that is what Augusta really harped on. And so what like this is actually another really awful story from the schachter book but like so say like they were working on the farm and like it rained and they couldn't keep working, they would come inside. And a gust would be sitting in the parlor on her favorite chair and she would make them sit with her while she read revelation. The end of days and the loose women in the Bible or not at fault. I believe the, the exact quote is harlots and Abominations and she would also just sit and read the Psalms to them. The songs are at least a little nicer. I guess Revelation is just pure, the world is ending and you all suck and you're all going to die. Well, you know.

39:06 So what but we all know this, I mean, but it's always interesting because this is kind of a space where Henry and Ed begin to divide on the feelings about their mother one day, they're, you know, I guess they're just talking and Henry's just like Well, for this way. Henry originally tries to kind of push back against his mother. Mmm. He's a notice, of course, he's trying to, you know, flirt with girls, he's trying to do something but it's his mother is like, I'm trying to do my own thing. Now, his mother's a force to be reckoned with and Henry decides. He's just never gonna get married, which was fine for Augusta because several of her, brother's never got married either. In fact, both Henry and add never had relationships with women and their entire lives.

39:56 Okay. Now for Henry, the shorter life is relatively young. Yeah. In fact, Ed's entire family dies within like five year period. Oh damn. Mmm. It starts with George. After a lifetime of abusing his liver and marriage that had been pretty terrible for his mental health. He was pretty much like a shell of a person with little will to live 1937. He gets really sick. He's completely dependent on his family for Lutely, all care. We didn't have a name for it. Then from what it sounded like though is that he was probably suffering from liver failure and and liver failure is a pretty awful and he died. 66 years old April 1st 1948 and for his family his death wasn't a major loss Ed and Henry were like whoo thank goodness. We don't have to take care of them all the time. It was just more chores on top of their other chores, they had to do to keep that farm running, right? Yeah.

40:54 Feel the farm, it's still not succeeding. And in fact, in the entire time, mind you, the family started, they moved there in 1914, it's not a 1940, it still has no electricity, no indoor plumbing. So while it might have been like a hot commodity in 1914. Augusta hadn't been able to keep it up. They had been able to save any money to improve the house. What were they doing? What were they doing? Just barely surviving. Wow. And the outside had fallen apart, too. So it was not the the house that it was when she started. What year was this 1940? Thank you for tea. Was it around like the Great Depression type of? Well, oh, a lots about to happen. One of the worst wars in the world is happening. Simultaneously Henry's too old for military service but Ed is not and so he goes to Milwaukee to You're looking confused. No, no, I'm scratching my beard so. Okay.

41:56 I was like, you know, that world the world war is happiness, okay? As with this a I'm just drunk. I'm not drunk, my beard and I'm not confused. Look, is my look okay that everybody knows this. I was looking for used but yeah he goes to Milwaukee to get a health assessment to see if he can be drafted. And they determined that that like I growth that had never been removed, had caused one of his eyes to sagging, it like partially impaired his vision. So they determined that he is not able to join the war in 1942. He's 36 years old at that point and that trip to Milwaukee is the farthest. He would ever travel from his home and his entire life really. Yeah, wow.

42:44 Oh, you know what? I was confused for a second because of the ages, I didn't I forgot that the years had jumped Don't anybody was still like ATL's? Like what it? What are you talking about? He's not older. He's old too old to be a listed. Well, yeah, that would have made in 1942 that would have made his brother 38. Yeah, that reminds. That was the cutoff is 30. Finally I thought that I mean but I was 36 and they still were like come on down. Maybe it's not the cutoff anymore. Well it may be the cutoff. Damn. Yeah, I think it's 35 now, but okay. Anyway. But either way, after his dad died, they both of them. Took odd jobs. Honestly, it was a handyman for a while.

43:26 He was also a very well-respected babysitter in the town. Kids loved him. He'd roughhouse with the Boise drechsel, he do magic tricks or tell scary stories. The little girls in the winter, he joined the kids, in the snowball fights. He was still very self-conscious around adults, but with kids, he feel like they didn't touch him and funny enough like in town, the parents didn't judge him either. No adults. Did they saw him as a good neighbor? Who was way better than his mom? Who is the epitome of holier-than-thou? And they were like, well, it's not like that stuck-up bitch. So you can talk to you and say something mom for us please. I'm Henry was working this like really good job as a construction foreman and the two shared chores.

44:11 They hunted on the family property together and really admired his brother but it came up again that Henry thought that Ed was too close to Augusta. He was like I think it's a little weird that she's like lashed on you like this. Ed thought Augusta was in. Fallible. Of course, that's your mama and then May 16th 1944. There's a fire on some Marshland near their home and Henry dies under some suspicious circumstances. No, he's only 43 years old. There are reports that own newspapers about how the fire started and there's multiple ideas. There's reports that it was just an accident that it was a fire. That was like to burn off, like the grass and the Marshland. But regardless and reported to everybody that like while they were out there, there was a really strong wrong win and it blew and the fire got out of control. They decided they were going to try and like stop it from two sides and then Ed loses track of Henry. As he you know it's taking the fire out when he can't find his brother.

45:18 He goes to town gathers, a search party, they all go back into the woods and look for him and there, they find Henry face down in the dirt. Very, very, very dead. The Searchers are confused though, because even though the ground around him is scorched, Henry's body is not. He's covered in soot but no part of him is burned. None of his clothes are burned off nothing. They also found bruising on his head also and had led the search party almost directly to the spot where Henry's body was even though he had said, he had been able to find him. See, look, I was thinking of ways to give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he died from like smoke in, that's why he didn't have any Burns.

46:04 No nevermind. Okay yeah. Yep, you're absolutely correct. But it looks like his brother kind of murdered him. He marked him well so they immediately call the district attorney Earl Killeen and the County coroner George blader and a doctor from town named dr. Ingersoll. They're all called to the scene on the Medical District staff. Determine he died from asphyxiation and there's no foul play. Hmm. At the time. No one would have even suspected that Ed was the kind of Sin to kill anybody and though the case was closed and they let it go, okay? I mean but you did it but it's okay. Shortly after Henry's death, Augusta reports that she doesn't feel good.

46:47 He puts her in the truck and drive to to the wall, Rose Hospital. By the time they get there. She's so weak that she needs a wheelchair to even get in the building. Augusta had a stroke as you need to be hospitalized and then when he brought her home ed was like, her primary care person like he stayed with her. Every day when she was at the hospital visiting hours went home. He waited on her every need reading her from the Bible, to make her happy. They actually got really close and it was almost like he was like getting the attention from her that he always wanted. Then you are getting attention from her though. No. Because the attention got from before was you're going to hell and you're stupid. How could I raise such a stupid child, really?

47:28 Yeah, like she really loved him but like it was a I'm gonna I'm gonna love. I'm gonna be You into submission kind of love. And like I'm going to make you a good man through aggressive. Okay, that's not good. So here she's being like soft because she's weak and she needs help doing things. This is so great that it takes until about night midd like middle of 1945, almost like a year later for his mother to get enough strength to try and walk. And like as soon as she could like move around on her own she like foot back to being normal like when she first tried to get out of like the bed like he Like here, let me help you and she's like, I know how to walk like that kind of response and he was like damn it back to business. Yep.

48:14 And then the winter of 1945 something. Pretty awful happens, they still had animals on their farms and uh draw to feed them. So they drive to a neighbor to make the purchase and as they're driving down the road, they come across their neighbors who are a couple Trigger warning, animal abuse. Just saying the man whose their neighbor is like, beating their dog in the middle of the street and the woman's, they're screaming at him to stop. And the man literally kills. Oh my God. The the puppy in the Middle of the Road. God, and here's the worst. The weirdest part of this story Augusta gets like super upset like super worked up about it but not about the Abuse. Why she's upset about the woman who's in the street? Sobbing Because the two of them are living in sin. Brittany, I kid you not.

49:13 She works herself up into a fit and has a second stroke a week later. Oh, my fucking god. This time, he rushed her to the hospital. She dies. December 29th, 1945. Like she literally like Works herself into another brain because you got mad. She's mad. Because what down the road? Come on, I know. Some of her siblings attend this funeral and my favorite part about this is that her obituary was three, sentences long. George got at least, like, a couple of paragraphs, like, I could find it for you. If I pulled up the book out with archive.org, but like there was one part of like George Gibbs, where was like, George suffered incredibly long for the three years before his death. Here's what her says, mrs.

50:04 Augusta Gein Drew died. At the Wild, Rose Hospital on December 29th of Cerebro brain hemorrhage. The body was brought to the gulf funeral home where Services were held December 30th. Reverend CH Weiss officiating. She is survived by one son. Edward who lives on the home Farm Southwest to here is like they got back at her. They were like listen, we not giving you any more lines than necessary. Sorry, where's your funeral? You died and you got one kid, who lives around here somewhere? That's all you need to know. Bye. Oh, Ed was inconsolable, of course, and this was definitely kind of the beginning beginning of his spiral, but no one could really tell it first. He was still a very much soft-spoken kind awkward, not very social, but always polite.

50:56 If anybody need help, he would lend a hand but some things were starting to break for him. He stopped shaving. He also stopped bathing what little that was being done to the farm. Augusta was alive, stopped front yard stayed overgrown with weeds for years and sold off all the livestock to pay for his mother's funeral. And all of the Old Farm Equipment was just left to rust in the bar and I'm like, you couldn't have sold that to Pam, like, goodness wasteful. Yeah, he to make money. He least a couple of Acres on the property to neighbors adjacent Farms, who wanted more farmland. And he'd work around like town as a handyman.

51:37 He didn't have a whole lot of like, Fences. So he didn't you a whole lot of money, right? Yeah he was also getting a state subsidy for his lamb through this like Stateville, come conservation, program almost almost that conversation and I spelled it right my notes but almost that conversation his neighbors were pretty understanding that he was grieving a lot of things fall to the Wayside when you're grieving but some people definitely thought he was kind of gross. Because, you know, here's this. Portland shaving as well. Say, stinky man, Greg Lee yakin smelly dude walking down the street. Most people weren't too bothered by it. The women around town, I went to, they found him Charming. But disarming, I would say disarming, like she wasn't really bothered. Like they, they were late there, maybe they took pity on him, okay?

52:24 He ain't cursed at all, he never behaved violently. The the men, their husbands were kind of like, what kind of guy is this? Because apparently, they people found out that he was afraid of blood. So which they found odd because his father had been a butcher in the grocery store and he grew up on a farm and he'd been hunting with his brother, but apparently Henry must have done all of the skinning of the LIE of the animal part. Okay? There's nothing, there's nothing wrong with being afraid of blood. Okay. You just did, that's his only looking at it. Are you afraid of blood sir? I don't like looking at, who is terrible. It makes you really hate it when he looked a lot of things. Okay, that's fake blood. Oh, okay.

53:05 So just real blood. Yeah. Only had one experience like that when I worked in a Hospital taking pictures of babies during college. I, you know, sometimes bad things happen during pregnancy or after pregnancy and says, in one room, like, hitting out, like flyers to people a little booklets and stuff. And then in that moment, as I was pushing the cart out of the room, a hemorrhage happened. And I didn't know what that was, but I sure remember the sheer volume of blood and the like team of two. 1T people who came tearing down the hall to help her. She survived bus goes, good, but it was scary but that's the first time I've had ever seen blood and it like made me nauseous.

53:53 It was so much. Yeah, scary. I want a my favorite content creators his, that happened to his wife after their first time. And like he said, he knew that something serious had happened because the doctor sent all of the interns away. Oh, she was like, I need you to leave. Yeah. And like, he was just like, she was just, that's a bad sign. Yep. And like, and her face changed, and he was just like, oh, no. And he has to be in the room and still like pretend that she's okay. Her mom's the, what the moms on the baby. Like, what's up? We good, we're having a good time and the pathway down the doctors at a whole different Mission. Like that's like one of the scary things that can happen, but yeah, as I didn't know, you had that issue. You see, yeah, that's known each other for so long and I don't know, you weirded out by your a blood person though. It's your job.

54:48 Is it okay with its in a little bag? It's okay, when is in the bags. So what is this? Is it like a wound situation? Um, that? Yeah, like, owe me. I'm fine. Was it? Like, I got my, like, my tip of my finger got cut off. Well, the oh, wow. Go that's gross. And like it. Grew back wrong but I want to see when we're done. Yeah. Okay. It grew back wrong. Um, I never noticed and Like, when I cut myself, I cut myself and when his blink is fucking lot of blood, I'm just looking at like, oh, okay. What is this specific way that you don't like blood. So it's anybody else's blood. Okay? Like my kids, I'm fine with anybody else, like adult and I can see they're like just their blood coming out is like and then what the with my job there are.

55:35 Sometimes if you are accidents with blood, you know, with a blood bag, breaks a bag breaks or you know, and then you just just see all the blood everywhere he's like. I need to go. I need to go right now. I'm gonna throw up. Well, you sympathize with Ed being afraid of blood then. Yeah. Absolutely. Because that's just how I feel an equi Kinder. You we get from that. Well, you're flying. Keep going. Don't. Nobody could tell by the 1950s and had retreated from society and he was living in his head in a really dark way. He spent our a spent all of the ow, As in his Farmhouse that like when he wasn't going to work just reading weird books, his house was covered in just filth and he would spend like hours studying like Nazi Germany, atrocities, he read stories of exclamations.

56:37 Resurrection men Body. Snatchers stories of 19th century. English grave. Robbers selling corpses did medical schools. I'm sure he probably read about HH Holmes, that was happening. Oh yeah. Another story of like this Rich, these rich, young British Aristocrats digging up, beautiful women doing horrible things to them. He read about cannibalism, sexual mutilation, he's huge when we couldn't find those things to read, he would read the local paper, but not like to know what was going on to read about people getting killed car. Crashes, suicides. It's appearances. No, boy, he like I told you retreating into that fantasy space. He's entirely in it now, hmm. And he always always tore out and saved the obituaries of course.

57:24 So now we're going to get into kind of like What I would say. The stuff, this is the general information that most people know about a game, which is that between 1947 and 1950 to, he began visiting graveyard at night, just first, just to look, he would tell the police later on and he visited three local cemeteries over 40 times on 10 of those time times. He dug up women who had recently been buried, who he thought looked like his dead mother, taking them home. Me laying there remains turning them into trophies that he likes to display around his house. This was how Ed dealt with his feelings of lust for women. He swore the police that he never had sex with any of them because they smell bad.

58:07 You don't say but he did get a sexual satisfaction from peeling, the skin from their bodies and wearing it, that's not okay. During this time, he also became obsessed with a story. He read about a trans woman from Europe and so he like created a skin suit. To see what it was like to. Like feel like to have breasts and he also cut off the genitals of several of the bodies that he pulled to see what a vagina looks like, sir, like some of this stuff could be solved by getting a girlfriend.

58:48 He was too weird. A point. I have a girlfriend. Yeah, I know he's too far gone. We have a girl. I mean, you can find another get a mortician girlfriend. What I do know, somebody get a grave a grave digger. Girlfriend. Okay. So the making both rubs bodies together. She look you can get the hook up their shit, it's still illegal and defiling corpses. Oh my God I'm trying to help him out. Sir. So during that time that like 1947 to like 1952 time period, there was an uptick in missing persons in Wisconsin for like a couple of them are about five, the police just couldn't figure out for different situations.

59:31 The first was an eight-year-old girl named Georgia, Wexler, who disappeared on her way home from school, May first 1947 hundreds of people, search for her. They searched the entirety of Jefferson Wisconsin but she was never seen or heard from again. There were no Suspects. The tire marks found where she was last seen. They were the tire tread of a Ford. Hmm, six years later and La Crosse. Wisconsin, 15 year old Evelyn. Hartley is babysitting when she disappears her father, tried to call her at the house that she was working at and she and pick up the phone. So he showed up and when he looked through the window, he saw one of his daughters shoes and her glasses on the floor. So he checked around the house and he found that they back basement window was open and there was blood, he entered the house.

1:00:17 Signs of a struggle and called the police from the property. Police found blood in the grass, leading away from the house and there was a bloody handprint on a neighbor's house. They did a regional search and they couldn't find anything other than her, bloody clothes near a highway that was leaving La Crosse. They assumed that she was murdered November of 1952, two men stopped for drinks at a bar in Plainfield Wisconsin. Before going deer hunting, they were Victor Travis and raber guests and they were never seen again and then in the Tour of 1954, a Plainfield bar owner named Mary Hogan went missing, police found Blood on the tavern floor that led to the parking lot and an empty bullet cartridge. The only common ties between all these cases that they all happened in or around Plainfield Wisconsin. And I got to tell ya.

1:01:08 Mary was German and tall and stocky and Buxom. The she have like the boss. Yep. She was a Tavern owner. So she was of course, she had the balls, the balls used to be like, I mean, but she's very different from his mother in a sense that like, she was like a swearing, you know, she's our owner lady. Yeah. So this one is the direct. Looks like his mom acts like his mom. When you got two guys, you said right? There were two guys at a different bar. Okay? And what we'll see about, this Ester is changing his ho. We'll see. Okay, okay. Okay, hey, so shortly after the police kind of gave up on the Mary Hogan case, a rumor pops up in Planes Field, playing field a couple of teenage boys are like Ed has shrunken heads in his house and like The thing is, like, some of those teenagers, he had helped write, you know, he'd been babysitting. So he let them come to his house. Even though it was like a total mass, it was like, full of like, rodent droppings and food on the floor, and gross Nest. He still at them, come over and they would like play cards, I guess there was a clean-ish room. And just like that, Ed's has like no one could come back to the house now.

1:02:28 Hmm, after the rumors start popping up at one point though, I've only say like 56, he offered to swap houses with somebody like for a smaller home and like the lady was like, well, it's 185 Acres that would be great. So she went to the house and like, looked around and it like, I guess it had been semi cleaned up at that point and At one point, she like he was like, she was like, oh, what's in that room? And he's like, that's just a storage area. Like it's a bunch of junk in there. You don't have to look at that. And so she was like, oh, is that where you keep your shrunken heads? And he was like, no, they're in the other room. Oh, he was being serious though.

1:03:09 But like nobody really. They were like, ha, you're so funny and she ended up not like, buying his house for her house, but that was another one of those weird situations where there were lots of situations like that that happen around town were like people would ask him questions. And like they thought he was just joking but you know, I'm sorry Syria and telling the truth. No, I got heads, you want to see him November 16th 1957. Local people discovered that Bernice Worden is missing. She owned a hardware store in town and residents said that the hardware store truck had been driven from the rear of the building at about 9:30 a.m. her son, was the deputy sheriff, and he visited the story at 5 and saw that the cash register was open and there was blood on the floor and the last like this.

1:03:53 The time period where people had to write receipts and that was those two layers. Yeah. So the print, the last receipt that had been written was for a gene for, for antifreeze that. He was supposed to come, pick up the next morning. Oh, you write your names and everything on it? Yeah, right. Like, oh again, picking up antifreeze, you know, morning whatever. Okay, so the following morning, the police don't wait and they go to The Farmhouse to talk to add about the missing Hardware. Store owner, and I guess he's somewhere on the property, but like not immediate. So they just like, kind of walk in the house because they're like, it's the 1950s, we don't have rules.

1:04:34 You should have had rules. Well, there's Farmhouse. Why say it was bad. John Crichton garbage all over on the floors. They said the smell of decomposition and decomposition in filth is all over the property, a local sheriff named Arthur Shelly inspected the kitchen, and he bumped into now. Okay, multiple, some people say this was like a shed and some people say this was the kitchen. So there are multiple sources that say but regardless he was looking around with his light and he bumped into a carcass hanging from the beams in the beams, okay? It had been decapitated slit open, got it and at first, like his brain was like, oh yeah, whatever, dear.

1:05:17 And then he was like, no, no, that's not a deer. That's the body of a person. It was the body of Bernice Worden the mother of his coworker, Frank Then more police came. They took a down to a police station to talk to him and took inventory of the items on the farm and I have read this list once before on Tick-Tock. Yes I've truncated it's somewhat. So while looking through his house they find four noses whole human bones fragments 9 masks made of human skin bowls made from human skulls, ten, female heads with the top part of the skull. Shaved off. Human skin covering several cheese.

1:05:59 These chairs. Mary Hogan's head in a paper bag. Bernice worden's head in a burlap. Sack 9 vulvas in a shoebox. Skulls on his bed post organs in the refrigerator, a pair of lips on a drawstring. For the window, shade in his room, a belt made from Human nipples, a lampshade made from the skin of a human face. And of course the one that everybody knows the most the corset made out of breasts and he had a skin suit. It was a whole people suit. Yes. And he had put together over time, all these items were I've cataloged and then reburied you are welcome to look for them. I this is one of the few things that I found repulsive like the shoes.

1:06:45 Yeah, I've seen pictures. They were like, it's just I could when I made that video, you were like, look at these. I did too. And as a know what? I should have looked like, I don't know, there were a pair of shoes and they just looked so bad, they're a pair of heels. Yeah, he must have stolen them from my cold dead body and like covered them in flesh. It was awful. That's exactly what he did. But the bigger Question was to find out like, how did you get these? The police began his major excavation of the property. To make sure there weren't any bodies buried on top of what they found. The house, he's being interviewed at what Toma County jail house by investigators. He doesn't talk for the first day and then, after a whole day of Silence, he tells he's like, okay, I killed mrs.

1:07:28 Wharton. And then he says, I felt the rest of the bodies at the local Cemetery. Well, the problem with that is Mary Hogan's head, is in a paper bag, and you definitely didn't find her in the cemetery. No, you did not. So they're like, so they there's more interrogation there. And so finally, he says he killed Mary Hogan to, he said he didn't remember doing it, but he accidentally shocked like shot her and that sometimes he would just like, leave his house in the middle of the night and he was in like a trance. He would just go to the cemetery. Hmm. Throughout the entire investigation, though. He showed almost no sign of remorse or any emotion actually.

1:08:08 Like everything was always factual and to the point Sometimes he even like smiled, when he was telling people all the stuff he did. He had no real understanding of how these crimes are affecting his community, or the entire country for that matter. As, for prepping for trial, the courts immediately submitted him to a lot of doctors for tests psychologist and psychiatrist. Immediately said that he was a sexual psychopath due to his extremely unhealthy relationship, between him and his mother, and his very confusing feelings about sex and sexuality that His mother kind of beat into him through that, he had learned to sort of love and hate women, and this was his way of dealing with that, after a really big Court battle actually, because the police were like, there's no way for us to tell that these came from the, the places where he said, unless we exhume the, the cemetery spots that he told us to write, so, there was a fight over whether they should even do that.

1:09:09 And so, they eventually did manage to get that. That exhumation order. And when they opened the dug up, the graves, the coffins did show signs of tampering, and a lot of the coffins showed sections of bodies removed. Okay, as for the city of Plainfield. The town is besieged by fans people trying to get a glimpse of the game property. Reporters trying to get a story psychiatrists and psychologists trying to talk to Ed showing up at the precinct. Thousands of people are showing up and the company that was handling the sale of the state like talked about how they were going to charge 50 cents for people to see the house and the townspeople were like, no, your mind. Didn't happen but it didn't matter anyway because on March 28th 1958 the Plainfield.

1:10:03 Volunteer fire department got a phone call that the gene house is on fire. There you go. It very quickly. Burned to the ground before anyone could get there police assumed arson, because the house had no electricity and despite they try to do a very like thorough investigation, nobody was ever charged because there was nothing. Did they know? You know, I found nothing to say that of the You know, different of the sort. Uh-huh. The Gein farm equipment though was auctioned off and so was the car that sold for seven hundred sixty dollars which is about seven thousand dollars in. Today's money it was put on the county fair circuit as the Google car.

1:10:43 Oh God because at how to use it to haul the dead bodies. As for Ed's fate, after he spent 10 years in a mental health facility, the court decided he was cognizant enough to stand trial and the proceedings for that started January 22nd 1968 but the full trial didn't start until November 7th. 1968, the main like, testimony was from like lab technicians and the sheriff and the deputy sheriff and he was found guilty but the problem was he was deemed that he was saying when the I'm happened. So ultimately, they send him back to the facility where he spent the rest of his life, he was a model patient and actually like every single doctor interviewed post, who dealt with him said that he was almost docile. It was white.

1:11:33 Like they were like, we don't understand how this person did this stuff shows like no signs of anything. He liked is just the. Yeah. But I'm also assuming it was probably heavily medicated at that point to. Hmm, he died of respiratory failure. I'm 77 years old on July 26 1984, and he was buried with a gravestone, but because True Crime folks are awful. Of course, they begun breaking pieces off of it. And like, if you look at the I found a picture of it like it had chunks like missing and then finally somebody stole the grave marker in 2000. So now he's buried in an unmarked grave between his parents and his brother. So you'd have to look up like County records right to find out where his parents and his brother are. Read to be able to find out where he's been buried. Damn, that's fucked up.

1:12:21 Yeah. And you talk about him being grave-robber, you guys are robbing so from his grave, right? I know that, you know, what's that word pot calling the kettle black, maybe Paco. Ironic. That's a, that's like his irony that ironic. This is iris is really ironic. This is kind of ironic or is it a traffic jam? We're already late. That's the end for me. Yeah, I actually, I always do what Ed Gein did but I didn't know the full scope of the the family. Familial relationship, which is what I've been thinking about and reading about. I didn't know any of that back story at all. So, there we go. I just knew about the body part here, the body parts in size a little lamb stuff, and I was like, oh, that's disgusting.

1:13:09 Yeah, I wonder, I sometimes wonder if he ever knew that there were all these movies that were made based on like his debauchery. Maybe he's in hell, just looking up and saying, huh, interesting and you guys are all fucked up. All right, so I have been trying to honor some requests. I've been getting, we just got an email. He's got an email last week about from somebody, you know it pays. Yeah, it pays off to wine is what I gotta say. It pays off.

1:13:58 I think you're being salty. I think his caddy yells. Akt our caddies. Yeah, a type-0 Katie but But she's the first person who used our official websites email email option, like send us a message. Yeah, oops. I do appreciate your email and I will cover one of the one of those two stories that you sent me in at a later date. Cookie stories about Georgia. Yeah, but yeah, thanks for having us. Yes, I do appreciate it. Um, the reason why I'm not covering any of those other two Georgia stories is because as I'm off, I was already covering a Georgia story that I really almost picked a Georgian serial killer to be on brand.

1:14:45 But I don't know. Wisconsin was just in my mind. Let me ask me. Yeah, these past couple weeks. I like never mind when who has cancer? No. Bad back your hands or oh my goodness. Anyway, I got a so before like when we first started the podcast, I was telling one of my co-workers about it. Bringing those who I'm talking about, it's one guy who works on the weekends, he probably never listens to the podcast. You know, who I'm talking about that. Look on your face. Yeah. That one, the Brittany does not like alcohol when it comes to work.

1:15:25 You just need people to be there and do their jobs, okay? If you do it you are there and you were do your job, I like you. But If you're not there, you don't show up or you call out randomly and then a certain someone sitting across from me at the podcast table has to you know, handle that. And work 14-hour shift. Then I'm not your biggest fan. She's not your biggest fan, I don't think you. Look, he listens to the podcast, but I don't fucking care. Does you're going to have an awkward day? One day is probably like one Friday, he's probably going to come into work and I should be in the building and be like I heard your podcast last week like you know podcast from several months ago you don't like me. Oh no, dude.

1:16:11 Like you're okay. Like you're a cool dude. But work is exit. Ask him to call me. I'll Thank you and I'll tell you anyway. He did suggest me to cover this interesting story. Oh well, look at that in Georgia. The time about three guilty folks. I'm here. What is it? So like I said today will be heading to Georgia where the peach Emoji lives. This is a fun. This is a fun time today. This is why I pick things that frustrate you. This is why I pick things that annoy you, okay? Then isolate think that I knew you was Payback. Now, I don't know much about, you know, the state Georgia, my grandma was from there, you know, I never lived in Georgia, I visitor, I hear macon's terrible though. Alright mom, PLS are terrible.

1:17:15 Actually yeah. Doesn't everybody feel that way about their Hometown, those true? I've never been so many was like, wow, I just really love where I grew up. Everybody's always like super mad. Like, how dare I grew up here? But yeah, it's not a bad place to visit. Sometimes I'll write you drew you drove down there. When yeah, I drive through there, sometimes to go to Florida dreadknight that. I think the last time I took me about 17 hours ago, a heart. So, anyway, that sounds awful, have you heard of like linear It's drawing a blank right now. You have not was surprising. Currently has been all over Tick-Tock and I'll explain that later.

1:18:01 I'll explain that later. Yeah, but like linear. I'm sure most people who are listening or some people listening who know about spooky stuff, no Lake Lanier. You know, it's pretty cool place to visit. But you know it always he wasn't a like you know like most likes it was actually a man-made lake. Okay. So I'm give you some backstory of Lake, okay? So like when the air is Georges largest lake and its it was made after the construction of the Buford. Damn. So this is one of two bodies of water that are named after Georgia Georgia, born poet.

1:18:48 His name is Sidney Lanier. Okay, sit in the mirror. He was born in 1842. He wasn't only a poet. He was a musician and author and he served for the Confederate in the Army. Okay, the savour, you know, you know what? I'm excited for so you know how, you know, you know, you know, help people who are not fans of the Confederacy here. We're really not sorry. Um, but apparently, he was even a lawyer. So, you know, apparently this guy was the shit. Okay. That in his time. And this time is it now? And no, not not alone, in his time in the area. Oh my God, I'm sorry.

1:19:40 Okay. So anyway, so how did it come to be well? Like I mentioned before it was a man-made lake made as a result of a dam being built. Now, the lake was built, was finished in 1956, but it was before it was set to be made before that Anakin 1940, like 1946, 1946. So that 10 years earlier, the government had commissioned, The the US Army Corp of Engineers deconstructed. Damn.

1:20:21 Now what was the reason for this damn? Well it was for controlling flooding help provide a water source for Atlanta and around that area surrounding area and it was help, it was used to help the power homes as well so they use hydroelectricity cool. Yeah. Yeah, that's very awesome. I like just like, you know. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, could you talk about how like, how many people died during the creation of the Hoover Dam? Oh my God, a lot. We're going to be talking about people dying. All right? Oh, So yeah, the US like I said, use government, they test US Army Corp of Engineers with building Lake Lanier and conjunction to what the Buford.

1:21:15 Damn, this is really throwing me for a loop. Why don't I know anything about what you're talking about? I don't know. I think I just heard about it this year, too. So, there you go. So this is this was almost a 45 million dollar. It had a 45 million dollar budget for this British creation of damn other than when and what time period was this 19 as well. 1950s. That's a lot of money. Yeah, it is. I don't even want to know how much it is now. I don't want to know. So, why do they meet as much money to make a lake and a damn?

1:21:55 How? Well, it is. It, it's pretty big. I didn't like download the specifics, I'm terrible research and it's going to say that Brian cares. More about the, The Spook in the story aspects and the background research, I'm not the best part about that. Is that you asking me things that I don't think to look up. You're like, well, how big is this force in Australia? And I'm like, I did ask you this. It's like a huge man. A big. This lake is the biggest in Georgia. That's all. I'm gonna. That's all I know about it. Okay. So, they needed this much money because they had to buy land. Oh, right? What we call that again, Americans, just take people's land. What is that called?

1:22:41 What is like, I actually do the indigenous people, what's it called again, appropriate? Nope, nope, nope. It'll come to me randomly. Yeah, yeah, I'm drunk goodness gracious. What is that called? Something Destiny, something. Oh, management Manifest. This is like one step above Manifest Destiny because he get the, you getting money from. Hey, but they still like treat you like garbage. Basically, we'll get into that later as well. That shit was help people too. So, like I said, headed by land, but the problem was that there were already towns, and people living here, their whole lives, whole towns towns. There's your little daughter towns in this. There's like a whole area that they had to buy. It's got a pretty big then.

1:23:35 I do have how many 56,000 acres of land, that's how much they had to buy. Massive. That's not a lake. That's like a little baby ocean. That's pretty 6,000 acres of land. Oh my gosh that this they had to buy. So not only did they have like you know, people farms and they had businesses there, they had churches there, they had a cemetery there and people had their own personal family, cemeteries there to freeze. What do you do about that? I mean, I mean, okay, there have been situations locally around here. My understand about cemeteries that were okay. So what they were supposed to do was move people, they happen in Philadelphia outside of Philadelphia, but instead, what they ended up doing which is building on top of it and then like decades later, finding out that there were still like dozens of graves underneath the houses in town, this sounds like Portuguese.

1:24:39 I think this is kind of where that was because it was really common. Yeah. Like so much work to move all these gravestones. What if we just move some of these Graves? What if we just move the gravestones and nobody will know, that's definitely Poltergeist my God. Yeah, no, I didn't realize that and I'm the white ever be that reference. But like, I definitely remember hearing about that about a cemetery that was like on the outskirts of Philadelphia and then as Philadelphia got bigger, they needed to move it and they just didn't. And then like we're talking years and years later, they found Old stuff from back then. And then also, when I was living there, they found underneath like Center City.

1:25:25 The old like foundations Old Philadelphia, she's slave houses. Do not were owned by Good Old Ben Franklin. Fucking course been frankly you douchebag anyway and they actually what they did was they like didn't move them or anything. They just put like a nice plexiglass, spot above it and like a No place for people could look in, I don't know if it's still there. It was there years ago, but like, they didn't want to move it. They were like, this is historical Philadelphia. Like, you know why? I think he's a douche bag. Why Daylight Savings Time daylight, saving time. Why do we do that? We still do it. It's weird. No reason. No reason for us to keep doing that, like back then. Okay, cool nowadays? Fuck?

1:26:06 No. You don't need that. I guess it's not dishes. No, I get the sun that's still up at like, what time is it now, 8:30, it's a Ladies, let's do it. I like the Sun up at 8:30, don't know? Okay, this is cool when it flips and that's that's that's we're talking about, I'm talking about the flipping market like five. Yes. Then I like leave in the morning is dark and I come home and it's dark. Yeah. And I'm just a person of the dark. That's what I don't like is when it flips. Now this time it's also I think summer time for that because the sun still up but any other time. Yeah. Well that's interesting. Finding like so. Did they do they do it the right way. So Ryan did they do it the right way? So they Paid to have these bodies moved.

1:26:49 Okay, I'm not sure about all of the personal family Graves. Look into that later. Oh, sounds bad. So now the buying started, you know, buying a lamb started with an 81-year old. His name was Henry Chadbourne yeah. Be nice to Henry. Yeah he sold his land for four thousand one hundred dollars. That's good mind before you $100. Yeah. That's not bad by another house for that. Yeah, exactly. Now, do you think o of the buying of land? You know what this movie of listener? No, of course not. Fuck course not a lot of people were like, fuck this like my great great.

1:27:30 Great grandpa left me this land and I'll be damned if I'm going to sell it. I'm gonna be honest though, like my my dad, my parents have a house here and like if somebody was like, listen, we're just going to raise that entire area and make a giant Park here. The river I'd be like, how what you what you selling for ya? Like millions of dollars. I just buy more land somewhere else. Exactly. I'm not fighting with the government because then what they do is they Manifest Destiny and you get nothing. Exactly. They go like, listen everybody in your community is sold except for you, that's like going to take it. Now, what is it? It's a it's like from up in your. Yeah, you're you're you're stopping like Community Development or growth or whatever solar building around your small a tiny house.

1:28:17 Oh my God. Yeah, so I would just do it. So I feel, I understand it, but I understand people wanting to fight for their ancestral homes and lands, but I'll have it in me to fight the US government. Sorry, I'm not a freedom fighter. I think I wrote that in here, somewhere. That like you, like if someone offered me enough, then I'd fucking take it. Like, I'm sorry, my ancestors are going to be proud of me for making that much money. That's why I'm saying I can just listen, we got to have a new ancestral. My God, hell yeah. Future Generations. They be like You had that little like half acre and now you got 20. Hmm, upgrade you. There you go. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for your great grandpa for leaving me this land so I can sell it and then upgrade my land. Thank you.

1:28:58 So actually, I understand. Yeah, so some refused to leave their homes, of course, and some even filed civil action suits against the government as happens. So I wrote this as a side note, they had to move it was 50s families that needed to be relocated and we honed okay? I forget how many businesses are like 17 businesses. I think about that around the whole town. That's a whole freaking Town. Yeah. Um so some people were even removed from their land by force. I knew it and their lands seized. Dang it.

1:29:41 No, for the people who said their land whoo-hoo Soldier land, Sing that kind of money before so there is like, yeah, do it. I can buy better land for less money somewhere, right? Oh, that's where I wrote my grandparents. My ancestors would be proud of me. That's right, agree. Absolutely, either way, the cleared, all the land of people in started filling the area with water. Now, of course any building that was made out of wood, of course, since it was since it would Float. By the way, what they just saw. Filling it, they don't know.

1:30:38 So there's still like, buildings down there that were made out of concrete and, you know, Stone and shit. There's a heaven, Atlantis. At the bottom of the year. It's an underwater town, weird or area City or whatever you want to call it. That's weird. Yeah. Where's that? Okay, March 1st 1950, they began the construction of the dam and it took six years from the complete the dam. And after that, 1956 is when the is the year that they started filling up the area with water, they fill the valleys and it took about three to five years, okay? From the film. So after, you know, after that, it's Phil, you gotta like now ye right where no one can is living around it. Can I build some land around the lake or a probably not? I don't think so.

1:31:30 Okay, like it wasn't made for people to live around is just made for like that's really exactly. So, it's not even a pretty place. Like, I'd be like, okay, you baby this money for my land? Can I have like a beachfront property? Actually, a lot of people visit her, like, every year, a lot of people visitor, but it's not like a, it's not supposed to happen as soon as you leave. I'm going to Google and see if people have done deep sea diving and like her near. Yeah. To look at these property, like these stuff underground. Yeah, they really, that looks that sounds super interesting. The picture I'm terrified of deep-sea diving myself because the idea of seeing corpse body, Uh, yeah. But underwater pictures like that. Like the old building stuff.

1:32:11 Yeah. Like it's pretty cool looking. He lets me to put on another one of those breathing apparatus has. I'm not going to do that once. Never again. So we're going to get into the spooky section of the case of the this is a lot of interesting history honestly. Yeah so this is the the curse. Okay of Lake Lanier turn it up for week 23. Yeah. So from goodness 1998, 29 32 2018 there were 57 boating. Fatalities that took place and 100 people were supposed to go there to like goof off.

1:32:52 I told you they like the government says, it's not a tourist place, you're not supposed to go there, but people just visit. Okay. They just like to have a whole. You see pictures like Lake Michigan bad, I'm not sure. Cause, like, like, was it like Superior Lake superior's? The one that's like so cold. That if you dispose a body of it, there it won't float to the surface because it will never grow the bacteria. Need to float. No, it's not like that. Not that bad. Okay. It's not like because it's in Georgia. So yeah. True. George is a little warmer than up north. It's yeah, it's the State of Florida so he is always going to be fucking warm. Didn't know what snow is? Yeah. Like never that way neither is still in Atlanta and there's like this much snow and people abandon their cars on the road. It was like 2 inches of snow, I'm sorry. Georgia people, we don't laugh a terrified. We don't laugh at you because you don't like those kind of laughs in us getting like three feet in one day this year. And I got to go to school and work. Oh my God.

1:33:45 But basically pick me up in his firefighter. Yeah, that's how bad the snow was, but like places, like, in Georgia or Texas like Texas this year, they had that snowstorm like, that was terrible. Yeah. Everything was freezing and people were dying. Yeah. It fucking terrible and like, places, like that didn't have, like, the stuff set up like us up north, you know, we're like, snow looks like we probably don't have a lot of well, when the power went out that one time ever, we were kids. Yeah. Yeah, and like, it's that Eastern Seaboard. I thought we were children. When that happened. How old was I? When I don't know. I'm not glad we're children. There you go.

1:34:33 Oh goodness, okay so oh, wonderful, 25. People drowned between that. Okay. And the last like 50 years, okay? I think it's probably worth the beach but then again, you a supposed to be here. Hold on. I didn't get to the big numbers yet 2015, to 2018. There were 43 Lake related, deaths, and 1228 boating accidents, not fatalities, which accident accident. These people didn't die. So there are an unusually high amount of deaths from the lake. There are an estimated amount of 675 deaths per year. No, since the like was completed. So since nineteen that's unusually high, I think, I think I assumed wherever there was water. People were doing stupid stuff and dying. Yeah, but not probably not as much as this, okay? So is this like haunted or cursed? So, there have been reports of people just Just um standing and they could be staining like at the shore and then they can take a step and then they just fucking like it. That's how dangerous this lake is. Oh, oh, I've been in stuff.

1:35:54 Like I find that very unsettling. Yeah, like is I've been to Coastal beaches even on the East Coast where you can see where the drop off is from the the beach, like you can see there's like a couple feet of like safety and then all of a sudden just draw and it's not even like it's dropping down. Fee. No, but it's enough for me to be very to feel very yes. Yeah. Like, I need to be able to touch down with ease. Yeah. This like this is a man-made lake. It wasn't. Well, that makes sense too. Because like I'm sure it's probably like the erosion. Yeah, time, I don't know. So, I'm just freaks me out because I think about is, like how there was Pangaea and how the all the stuff fit together at one point and that there's little lines of like out where they just drops off.

1:36:41 Off into like hundreds of feet. Yeah and I just frightens the crap out of me. Oh you're telling so since it's built over like the lake is built over or above whatever. It's built their churches underneath of it. I don't need to Lake and there's like I said, cemeteries were always Stone. You're right forgot. All about that churches cemeteries like some a cemetery and interpersonal cemeteries and like I said before, They actually removed all those body, just the personal ones. We don't know if all those bodies were removed, I don't even know if the main Cemetery, all those bodies were removed either. So people were just swimming in is Lake full of dead fucking bodies.

1:37:26 I mean, and what we've talked about that and yeah, this is true, old bodies of water are not pools, are places where there are dead bodies, but this is a lake. The like, have you been in the Atlantic Ocean? Of course, that's what the Titanic song, Final, a dead body. He's everywhere. I'm just saying like, is it like a smaller about a smaller body of water, 50,000 Acres, or whatever? You said, earlier, I 46 be. There we go. I was close. That's a lot of Acres of water. Yeah, I would love to know how many gallons of water and I'm gonna google that later. But you know what happens when you go to over, or you desecrate some barrier around. Oh I sure. Do know. That's my favorite part of watching. Those shows. Boom, haunted.

1:38:08 When somebody's like, yeah, I've been seeing this weird like Two-story figure just walking around outside my house. It's really creepy and the ladies like dude, that's definitely like an ancient being that is stalking this land. And it was, it was brought here to protect the land from the white people. Yes. During the time periods, when the indigenous folks were fighting against the white people, you should probably just leave. Yeah. Because you are white people. So go you go listen. If anybody like actual, like medium, I respect. It was like, you should just Go. Yeah, I'm like. Alright then. Alright. Alright, yes. So, Kardashian now, is not the time to buy a house, folks, so apparently is a bridge over the lake, our by the lake. Um, so cars mysteriously fall into the lake house, Walter brydges, silly.

1:39:06 I have no idea. There are mysteriously. Like, I said, drownings, like, people can Be saving a knee-high water and then just drop the fuck off and to nothingness. And yeah I just want to see the bridge. That's what I'm looking for the picture right now. So I'm going to tell you this story. Is it lay near? Yeah. Well I've been here in Rainier linear. Linear my bad. I spelled it wrong to and Google and everything. It's like three start. Okay cute my God. Yeah or Islands. Yeah. How house way?

1:39:47 Oh no. You got to look at it. You got to look at. Like I had some maps pulled up, like, of the whole area. No way. It's pretty crazy. I'm literally looking at a picture of gravestones underwater. Pretty fun crazy. That's so disrespectful. So, I'm gonna tell you the story, okay? Every case of a car going off of the the bridge, I'm looking at the bridges right now actually, Okay, and 1958 the lake is almost done. Like I said it took three years from 1956. Also doesn't make any logical sense. Its mass its not. Yeah well I think of a lake I think of like a big circular entity. Yeah this is weird and has branching paths. It's a yes man.

1:40:35 Well I think of a man-made lake. I don't you don't think it you think of it being like uniform type of thing? Yeah, this this actually looks very natural. I Yeah, it was real, you're probably changed over two years Trail, you're right over the last 50 years nature, takes itself back when it wants to this is true. You write less what happened to the car that just fell in the water. Okay, 1958 the lake is almost done, I'm being filled two, young women. It's a Delia May Parker Young and Susie Roberts. They were crossing over Lumiere bridge when some for some odd reason, they lose control of the car. And end up in the lake. Okay.

1:41:15 Did they survive? No I didn't know that. So search teams failed to find remains from either of these women and they filled a refined the vehicle there Joe, okay? The only indication of and is happening was skid marks From the car. And then somebody was like, yo, Susie, where you at? We've been waiting for you. Yeah, they make it home that night, Artie Lange. So 1959, a year later, fisherman finds a body floating in the lake but no one could have done. If I this person that's because of bloat and decomposition but they had noted that there's a body had no hands and was missing some toes.

1:42:07 Are there animals in this Lake? I'm not sure. Probably probably. They also sometimes when we build our own year we build our own ecosystems. We will do that will be a year where to take a year for that to happen. Like you were animal that your hands off like easier than weeks, really? Yeah, like I said, nature claims our bodies rather fast. I mean, depending on how cold the water is too, okay? So 1990 about almost 30 years later. The lake is dredged up in preparation for New, Pair lawyers, for the bridge, where they found where they find a rusty car, nice. The same one Delia and Susie were driving. Don't want medially enthusiasts just very interesting. So sorry, I'm so interested on closer inspection. They find the remains of Susie Roberts and who, you know, her bones were in a car before, she drowned. Right.

1:43:11 So leading officials to believe that the no-handed body was of Delia my issue with that is It's one, all of the body. Should have been bitten Nam Don. Mmm, only no hands. Only no hands and some toes were missing. No Hands. Feels like a mob hit. All right. This will have no teeth. This is as soon as I saw that, the body had no hand and no fingers or toes, I was like this. Where was that? Georgia. Hmm. This could just be like a racial thing. Maybe. Oh, no, that's what I was thinking. We're saying like oh, but if they were by then it was.

1:43:55 Yeah, that's true. Maybe I don't know. Here we go. so after that, there have been Apparition sightings of a woman wearing a Blue Dress walking up and down the bridge. She's been singing having no hands, ah, at all. And apparently, Susie can be seen Susie's at Apparition that can be seen wandering. The back roads of Route 53, which heads across the bridge? Yep, oh, Susie poor girl.

1:44:36 So, you know, this means I'm going to have to go through like Every season of Ghost Hunters to see if they went down they probably do. You know? They fucking did and Ghost Adventures all of them. I got to go see who's been down there. Exactly have I already watched this and I didn't remember. Probably I've so many ghost shows in my brain that I clearly may have forgotten. The like the seems to interesting for me to have never heard of it before. So I'm going to step away from the the ghost did a paranormal stuff for a second. Okay. And give you a little bit of different history. So I'd finish my research, right? I was talking to Terror today about it, and I was telling her, you know, well, it's covering and she's like, oh, I've heard about that. And I'm like, okay, cool.

1:45:19 And she's like, yeah, it's been over Tick Tock. And I'm like, what the fuck you're talking about? And the irony, that the one thing you search suddenly went viral and Technology. Yeah, I know. Yeah, she's like yeah, a lot of people talking about it and how there was a racial cleansing that happened and that's why it's haunted. Was this A Sundown town? This was a Sundown County. Yep. Okay. That's why some folks didn't get no money. So me being me. I got, you know, I got look into it so I just before I came over here. No, it's all there.

1:45:59 Yeah, I mean, The majority of Sundown towns were actually in the north, but there were definitely enough in the South. Yeah, that's the thing. I like to remind people in there, like, the north was against slavery and blah, blah blah. Like the North had towns, that would murder people if you didn't get out before dust. Okay, someday, but for now like, yeah, if you want her way out and outdated, that's why the, the the blue book in the green book were even created. Yeah, as an almanac for specifically black travelers to know where it was. Was safe for you to stay when you were traveling across America because of Sundown towns. So, I love it and I love whenever it pops up in a pop culture. Yeah, happened with that HBO show. Lovecraft country.

1:46:44 Yeah, and it looks like it's popping up. Again, this is good. This is a part of history that we have conveniently forgotten and fun fact for anybody listening if you want to know where he Sundown town is look into your cities. If you want to know that you're living somewhere that used to be a Sundown Town. Look into your city census. Go back, 100 years. If all of a sudden, there are no black people in your town, it was a Sundown town. You have to go back to like I would say after slavery but before the Civil Rights Movement and look to see if there were black people who live there and suddenly none. Yep. High odds, that you were living in a Sundown town or County. Yeah. Yeah, this is a whole fucking County. Wow.

1:47:27 So one town, that was absorbed, by the way. Lake was named Oscar Ville. Now you can still find Oscar bill on a map. Old Oscar. Bill you cannot because it's on need to fucking like I want to I know there's got to be a YouTube video that's like an hour-long of people just underwater looking at this town and it's going. I'm going to do tonight. First, I got to record a tick tock and then I'm going to do this. This is how I'm going to go to sleep tonight. So Oscar Ville is located in Forsyth County. I have heard a Forsyth County though. Yeah.

1:48:08 It's a place where I guess Oprah has gone and it was like an interview that she did in all the people in there were like, yeah, we don't like black people. Living here are in our community and stuff like that. This is I forget when she did his interview, but I remember watching it. I do I know Forsyth County. It's a fo R Sy. Th so yeah, this is Oscar Ville was apparently reported as being an agricultural Miracle because the farmers had beat back boll, weevils from their infant station back in the day and for the Farmland, I guess surviving the Great Depression as well. Mmm.

1:48:55 So, Oscar bills supposed to have been. I know I did my brain. Why? Because there's a news article the other day, about police shooting a man who called 911 asking for help down in Forsyth. Oh, I was like, I know I just hit my head recently, you know? I think, yeah. They called my mom for help and they got shot. I think this is the area. Remember that one story. I don't know if I did the story, but it's like a one of our this weekend True Crime. Well, Brought up the woman who had died at her friend's birthday party or some shit like that in Georgia. I think that's around this area too. Okay, just happened. That that happened but Oscar bill is supposed to have been an entire black community that was basically just first out. Yeah.

1:49:45 Force out of the area but you didn't boll weevils came back. Didn't they know? It was those, those hooded? Weevils, if you don't talk About. Um, Newport damn development kept in touch with the court system, to make sure that the state could take the land from these residents because they'd ask every resident to give up their land like to leave their land without really paying and stuff except for five residents. That's it. Everybody else there like you gotta leave. You gotta get out of here. Now, there's this book, including Oscar Ville, that's titled blood at the root.

1:50:32 A racial cleansing in America, where all Sir Patrick Phillips talks about the 1912 lynchings and the riots that followed the sexual assault and murder of a young white woman named sleepy. Make fro that she was 18 years old. The accused a black teen of committing the crime. I'm but it's it's officially an unsolved crime. So, as a, as a result of this around 11:00, black residents with Oscar Ville and for sense County out of fear of, you know, for the lives. So some of the ghosts there that may or may not haunt the lake. Of course, maybe some black residents that my favorite haunting is I love.

1:51:31 Slaves. Haunt people. Oh yeah. And also lovely indigenous people hunt, folks. This is I like yes. And I want people to move on to the afterlife. Sure. If you gotta stay, you might as well make folks lives miserable. I mean yeah but also as want to add this is like as dangerous as fuck knows what. Yeah. Like, I've seen a picture of it, when it was a drought when there's a drought in Georgia and they're like, little are a little trees and Forest underneath the fucking water. Like they're dead trees and the water. So be careful if you're going like, if you, if you visit there then, you know, scariest videos ever saw? Was it what happened down in like Louisiana? And someone was just watching and like, my thing is, when, you know that the ground can do this. It's so like, their the cameras, like watching this, like swampy area and then all of a sudden, you just hear a snap and trees and land across from where this person is like, videotaping, just sing.

1:52:31 Into the water in front of them. And I'm like, why are you still there? Hey, that is deaf. Yeah, apparently it was an area where there used to be a salt mine and that salt, mine got flooded, and it's still very like unstable and the ground, just sinks into the mine every once in a while. Some people go down there to watch it and I'm like, this is frightening. This heart is like centrally. Oh yeah. Almost like kind of well and he really was a coal mine. Yeah. But we got to steam coming up out of the ground. Ground is it like sinking into Central? You know, it's just fire. There is a massive sinkhole in a Mexican farm land right now that is currently swallowed two houses. Oh yeah, it was in the news the other day was look at this sinkholes frightened me. Yeah.

1:53:12 They're can talk about things that we find scary. Sinkholes are kind of, you know, Riptides. Yeah, just I have like a real fear. Like it's almost like an unreasonable fear of Riptides, huh? I used to be afraid of quicksand until I realized it was slow sand in a quicksand is just don't don't fight it. Buddy pull you out. Yeah basically just stand there and wait. We used to be afraid of quicksand his kids. That's what black holes. I used to have an irrational fear of black holes just a little bit. Yeah, it's unpredictable but there is one thing that I wanted to mention to anybody who still listening because it's the end of our show. It is one. Thanks for listening. Like we did say, there's going to be patreon and one of our tears is going to be an extra like we're going to call its own little podcast, 30 minutes.

1:53:59 What did you call it? Conspiracy Crips conspiracy crept. Yes, Brian named it, the conspiracy crap. I'm sorry. Just a little bit on the Fly. That's what is going to be called. What's is going to be a 30-minute additional extra podcast of us, discussing that sort of stuff and I'm not entirely opposed to the discussion of conspiracies, just some of them. I find. Just they make my like angry. They make me angry, but some of them, I actually do have some really good ones like, one of my campers the other day came to me and was just like You know, the guy who landed on the moon.

1:54:40 Oh, you told me about this? Yeah, and I was just like, yeah. And he goes his name backwards is alien. He's like we put an alien on the moon. That's like, that's really cool. That's really cute. He was very proud of him. Probably he discovered the, the conspiracy than your Armstrong is actually nailing a little kid sometimes, so cute. Oh goodness. But yeah. Well whoever patreon up and then we have multiple tiers one. Just for folks who just want to help get a little bit of. Yeah, give us a little push and we'll have mercury people who want that. Yeah, they will have gaming nights, right?

1:55:23 That's one of the tiers patreon is that once a month, we'll have a gaming night and you get to be on stream with us and participate. Yeah, it'll be fun and so, we'll probably have to Max that It out at like, we'll have to cap. Yeah. But like five people baby. Yeah. With with garlic phone you can technically have a Lobby. That's like 15 plus people. All right. Go. Maybe we could do like 10 and we'll see, we'll see, we'll see, we'll see what happens. We'll see you, Steven, interested honest. Yeah, I don't have. You know what? I got Champagne Dreams. Just gonna we're gonna manage your expectations and if anybody wants to support us, I'll be shocked.

1:56:03 Yeah, there you go. We'll say to if anybody puts money, I appreciate you are like 1,500 people who are listening on it like weekly basis. Thank you so much. This has been a really awesome experience doing this. Yes, for you all and it's totally worthwhile even though I have resigned myself to write a 10-page research paper every week for the rest of my life. Crazy or until we run out of people to talk about kill people. But Stop. I'm like, I'm not going to stop finding anything creepy to talk about and you're probably not going to run out people killing people. That's true. So as long as you want us, we're here basically. Oh goodness.

1:56:44 And as always you can find Brittany on takes AA. Cat caught podcast. That's true always almost every single day of the week. Yeah, you can find me on Twitch at Fox you trainer. I'm not gonna change. The name is just going to stay foxy trainer whatever just find me on Twitch. I didn't stream last week. And because I was out of town but this weekend I will be playing Doki-Doki Leisure Club. All the new one came out and it was it's out on Wednesday. Oh nice. So I'll be playing that. This one's the pay one though, the first one was free. So we'll see what happened. Considering at the end of the first game, there was just Monaco serious game breaking stuff that had to be done to save you from a character in the game, you know?

1:57:29 Yeah. Also, are we going to have to kind of put that under like a trigger warning of us stream because this one had some serious jerk. I'm pretty sure it's gonna be like the same amount of stuff. So, it's probably trigger warning. What else? You could always email us. Your email us if you like this, like the podcast or email us, if you have any stories you want us to read or research? Absolutely. We will look into that. Yeah, you can email us at podcast@biobalancehealth.com or just head over to and Killers, get caught.com which is our official website that is we do have a website and yeah you can just email us there too and check out our we have an art I guess an archive of all our episodes now, Oliver right?

1:58:10 Yep. All restaurant. And it also shows you every single place that you can listen to it on the like right side of the screen, it's pretty awesome. I added my About Me section to the website and Brian will do that. He was just gone so he couldn't. Yeah, I'm sorry I just love to do you were on the little kid vacation that's it was There you go. But, yeah, that's all we got for this week. Yeah, thanks for listening. Yeah, thanks. Have a good night.