Joseph James Deangelo Prt II: Catching a killer

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Hey everybody.
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want to say thank you so much
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It has been Great week.
It was so amazing to see

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everybody.
So hype, I was watching the

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stats and just was very excited.
People were very hyped to see us

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come back from our little hiatus
hiatus.

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There we go.
I'm glad to hear it.

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And so this week in True Crime
is not, it's not good but it's

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good.
Okay.

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Okay.
Alright, so here's the headline

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that had me screaming this week.
R Kelly has been found guilty of

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sexually abusing and urinating
on a 14 year old girl and an

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Infamous tape.
He also has been found guilty

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this week of other instances of
child, sexual assault and child

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pornography.
And the reason why this was so

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poignant for me, right?
Is because I was like a teen

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girl, when that tape came out
and everybody Justified watching

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it and everybody just has no, no
she looks grown blah blah blah.

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But like, finally, finally,
finally now, because the reason

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why he's in prison now is
because of the adult women who

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he pretty much like kidnapped,
right?

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And and forced to do whatever he
wanted and live with him and

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those girls were all they all
met him when they were underage

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and they were trying to be
singers, you know.

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That was that colt can tell he's
from it wasn't right, surviving

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R.Kelly, rosic was I called ya
surviving are Kelly was the The

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movie I think in my lifetime
type movie that came out the

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deck, but you serious?
Yeah, in Chicago.

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It's official.
Now y'all can stop saying that

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these were adult women because
he has now been proven that he

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has been messing with children.
We already knew that because

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Alia was 15 years old when they
got married a quotation marks,

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you know, but I'm like, here we
go.

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It was more than just a Lea.
It was more than just that 14

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year old girl.
This was something that him and

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his Roadies He and his buddies
have been doing for years, which

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makes sense because sexual
predators who go after children.

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Don't stop if they don't have a
reason to it's a compulsion.

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Okay.
This is who he is.

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Your faves going to jail for the
rest of his life.

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He's never coming out.
Yay, and that's that.

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It's done.
It's not, I just it just it was

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in my spirit.
I was like when I saw that

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earlier this week, I was just so
excited.

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I should say finally.
Now, we have alongside all of

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the people's testimony and
alongside what a lot of people

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have been saying for many, many
years.

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Yes, it's we have the court.
Also on our side, it's good.

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I'm glad to see it.
I'm happy to see it in here now,

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apparently the jury also
acquitted Kelly's former

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business manager.
Darrell McDavid of conspiring to

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obstruct justice.
So I'm not exactly excited about

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that but because his the people
in his Circle new, I'm willing

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honestly I get kind of creeped
out when I see like people like

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looking at his ex-wife and like
her thirst traps on like Tick

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Tock because I'm like I she said
she had to have known.

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It was too much in his regular
life.

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Oh yeah a lot of people had
known this was going on right.

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And so I'm wondering if we're
going to get more information

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about that if he's going to try
and make some deals rat some

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people out because you know,
pleading for my life.

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Yeah.
You know, drain the swamp.

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I want to know what people in
hip-hop and R&B knew what you

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were doing and who joined in.
Yeah, three of the six counts.

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He was convicted for Last week,
carry a minimum 10 years in

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prison.
So we're talking about at least

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another 10 to 30 years added to
his sentence.

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I mean and then like they found
that there were images from

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these like sex type party things
on the road and some of the

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people who were there were
underage.

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So this was them making and
sharing child images.

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Us Attorney.
John are lost.

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Junior said that prosecutors
respect the jury's decision to

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find Kelly's co-defendants.
Not guilty on several counts but

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emphasized that he is finally
still being held accountable for

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sexually.
Abusing young girls.

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The issue was it.
He said that, it certain aspects

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of the charges and the trial
made it difficult to obtain

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evidence convictions for all the
charged people, but it is clear

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that justice has been served by
the guilty verdicts returned

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today.
This it is, this is just, it's a

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reckoning, it's finally.
So goodness, now we can actually

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positively say, if you support
our Kelly, you are supporting

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somebody who was making music
about actually harming children

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and I don't think you could call
yourself an ally to children.

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If you still listen to that
music.

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Because as far as I'm concerned,
I don't want to hear somebody

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thinking about bumping and
grinding with children creepy,

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everything's ruined.
It's all ruined.

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Yes, that's how I feel.
It's completely ruined goodness.

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Okay.
That was, that was like, I said,

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it's bad.
But it's good.

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Yeah, yeah, it's great, it's
fantastic.

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But yes, it's so bad.
Yeah.

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Okay.
Well this week or I have for you

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this this might sound a little
familiar because I'm pretty sure

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you've covered a case about this
type of person.

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Okay so in Texas and in Assisi
and anesthesiologist has been

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arrested on allegations of
purposely tampering IV bags.

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Oh I heard about this guy.
Okay now though, doesn't he

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sound familiar to somebody else?
We talked about The Charles

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Collins actually, oh, Philip
DeFranco was talking about this

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on his new show and I commented
and I was like he's given me

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Charles Cullen Vibes as was
active in PA in New Jersey.

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Like I wrote that, I was like in
the comments as like everybody

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who had a anything complication
and he was your

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anesthesiologist, you need to
have them look into that.

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Yes, I read it as ever.
I read the title.

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I was like, oh, wait a second.
We'll call it.

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Yes.
Okay, so this guy's name is

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fernald over ver Ortiz Junior
and he's being charged for

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allegedly ejecting nerve
blocking agents and Other Drugs

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into patients.
I've he's leading us.

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Yeah, you got more details than
I heard from when it first

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happened.
Yeah.

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Because there was one lady who
was just like she took an IV bag

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home for like fluid.
I guess it was like someone who

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worked there.
Yeah.

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Like freaked out.
Like had a cardiac moment and

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home.
Yep.

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Yep.
That happened in also, one of

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his co-workers died at the
surgical center.

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Why - yes?
So, A co-worker was having a

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surgery there and got one of the
tainted bags.

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Yep, that's from getting, from
this, anything, with these

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people is like some of them are
like just straight up evil but

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some of them are like they just
want to be a hero.

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And so they want to be there
when you code and then be the

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person to bring you back and
sometimes they fail because they

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maybe they make it too strong or
whatever.

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But, yeah, you know, they don't
have the exact science down, all

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right.
Yeah.

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But his coworker, she was a 55
year old woman and she died

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immediately after using an IV
bag taken from the surgical

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center.
Yeah.

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And, you know, they The opsahl
top C, of course, and if I

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don't, she died from a lethal
dose of a nerve blocking agent,

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often used during the
administration of anesthesia.

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And yeah, I do they need that.
I just I'm just kind of like

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it's just a science thing.
I'll ask my roommate worked in

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nursing for interests.
Adam.

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I guess nerve, like only put you
under they want you to like,

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definitely not feel anything
while Under.

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So you don't wake up from the,
the painter, shocking stuff.

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I tell you it.
Like when I had surgery was so

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I've never went out so fast, so
I don't know what they do, but

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it was like seconds.
And then I was being like shook,

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wait, pretty much.
Oh, damn.

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It's because they had to lift me
from the operating table to put

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me on the bed.
And that's like, why are y'all

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Jocelyn?
So it did not feel good.

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Yeah, that's what I was
complaining about.

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Yeah.
Surgery scary though.

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And honestly, it's just
frightening that, you know, we

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have these people within our
Community, who are playing real

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Cavalier with people's lives
because they want to be there

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when the person gets revived.
I saw a pair, a family talk

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about how their son was like
healthy like 100% healthy.

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This was like a routine like
surgery, right?

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And then like an hour later, the
doctors like so there's a 50/50

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chance your kid's gonna die.
What the fuck?

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And they were like, wait, excuse
me, how did this happen?

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Yeah, I don't even know if the
kids survived but I think he

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might have but still that's so
scary.

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Yeah.
Okay, so there's just there's

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nothing more oh no.
So okay, so the way T, way to

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like fighting it out, you know
how, who knew that it was him.

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Yeah so workers at the surgical
center they were able to single

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out like 10 additional instances
of like where patients

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experience like cardiac stuff in
like good on them for Gang

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because Pennsylvania was not
give you remember how

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Pennsylvania was like, man?
This is really weird.

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This keeps happening.
Yeah, this is really nice is no.

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Oh my God, it'll good on you
taxes.

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Yeah.
And it's just like, like you

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said, with a little boy, is just
like, when they were going in

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for surgeries, it was just like,
not big surgery.

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So why the heck would he have
cardiac problems at this point.

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So they surveillance videos,
yeah, they had.

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There it is.
Village videos on several

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different occasions of Ortiz,
doing this to the IV bags and

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tampering with them.
It says, in one instance, where

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cheese was captured placing in a
single IV bag inside of a

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stainless steel bag, warmer
scanning, a hallway, and a click

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quickly walking away in just one
hour later.

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He 56 year-old woman suffered, a
cardiac emergency during a

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cosmetic surgery.
After the egg after bag from the

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warmer was used during her
procedures her procedure.

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But yeah, they like there's so
many they have so many other

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instances of like this happening
and like they have them on

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camera and stuff.
It's just like, wow, dude.

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And that's why I because like
and some of the other cases that

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I've looked at here we're
talking about I mean what was

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her name Jane to pod?
That was like, literally like

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the 1700s there was you know,
and they still figure it out

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after a while.
While, but like No cameras,

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Charles Cullen.
The 90s there aren't really

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standardized cameras all over
every hospital 2022 though.

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Every inch of a hospital is
covered in a camera because

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there's other situations people
have mental health breaks, you

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know?
And Patients run away.

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They do it because sometimes
people try and steal kids like

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how you thought you were going
to get away with that now is

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absolutely crazy.
Yeah, he says that his

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co-workers at the center Surgery
Center or trying to crucify him.

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Well when I heard they he just
like they like brought him in

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and then he just like walk out.
So do they act how they properly

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detained him now?
Yeah, he's the first couple

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days.
They didn't detain and they were

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like, just don't do anything,
right?

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I know he's being charged.
If you're convicted him, he says

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he faces a maximum sentence of
life in prison, of course.

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Well, depends on how many people
died.

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Yeah.
I don't know.

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They got 10, but life is
generally like like 56 5 to 30

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years.
It's a president and president

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term.
Yeah.

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So he gets life for each of
them.

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That's real.
Real life.

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Yeah.
But yeah, it's funny thing is,

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of course, you know this.
But he went on vacation at one

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point and guess what happened.
Nobody got to say, nobody got

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hurt.
No, any cardiac, and we're just,

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he's nothing like that.
And then when he comes back,

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I'll do it.
All starts up again.

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Isn't that a coincidence?
Yeah, but yeah.

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That's um, that's my God.
Yeah, that's that.

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Well, last week, I did my best
to cover Joseph James.

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D'Angelo's Life as a killer and
a father and how the two kind of

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intertwined.
But this week, we're going to

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discuss me like the
investigation and what it took

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to put them in prison and there
is going to be some mention of

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some of the cases, like a little
bit of an overlap but because

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they had some significance to
moments in the investigation so

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they'll be bringing them up
again.

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Now as far as the cellular
ransack, ER case it starts in

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about 1974 and like we spoke
about last week these are really

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bizarre.
Burglaries, he said Hitting over

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120 homes in a year and a half,
but a year and a half two years,

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they started.
Very aggressively.

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And then they abruptly stopped,
December 1975, and the East

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area.
Rapist begins.

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Six months later and Sacramento,
they really wasn't much.

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They did with the saw your aunt
soccer because he was an

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annoyance, it was weird, you
know, ripping up people's stuff

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breaking, you know, just
destroying the house and then

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leaving it was.
These were annoyances people had

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to clean up when he left but he
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So there wasn't a whole lot,
they could do other than, you

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know, try and pop people around
and hope to see catch him, you

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know.
But with things starting in

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Sacramento, that's a whole
different monster for the media

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and the civilians, it definitely
seems like there's no connection

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between the two but there are
definite similarities like the

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ransacked her was strange and
terrifying you know those four

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or five robberies and night one
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Different houses in one evening
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residential areas.
He was still peoples wedding

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rings and now I see that and
they're like sentimental items.

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A wedding ring is a physical,
that's money.

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Some people's weddings rings are
very expensive, but they always

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work those at sentimental items.
What's weird?

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Is the photographs of women?
And for some reason he always

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finds and uses hand lotion and I
think you probably understand

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why when he found pictures of
women with their children or

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their husbands, he'd rip them
up.

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And I think that's a break in
the fantasy for him.

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If he found some, like, he
didn't like, like close, he'd

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like Port Orange Juice onto it.
As a point out how he hadn't

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liked, Rob them of their
important valuables, he'd stack

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them on the bed.
It's creepy.

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So yeah, people like come home
and like they just see like a

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safe on the bed.
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A stack of money on their bed
and the rest of the house is

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ransacked him go, I could have
robbed you blind but I did just

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some property theft stealing a
piggy bank, some Blue Chip

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Stamps, one earring out of
asset.

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He would unplug people's
electronics and radios.

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Just being annoying but the
investigators do pick up very

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early on that.
There's a sexual element to the

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ransack.
Your cases, probably not,

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something people who aren't into
True Crime.

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Would understand, especially not
back when it was just getting

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coverage.
But as we talked about last

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week, he always went through the
women's underwear and he never

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stole any of them, but he
planted them around the house

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and one time he put a woman's
underwear and her baby's crib,

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another time he took the man's
underwear and he plays Stem in a

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straight line, going from the
master bedroom, down the hallway

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to a bathroom.
And he always found Lube or

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lotions or things that could be
used for masturbation and it

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seems like he was using it but
he never left any DNA behind.

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So I'll let you decide what you
want to do with that

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information.
I don't know what I want to do

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that information.
It was destructive but not the

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worst thing that was happening
in the world.

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Of the time.
But like most of these cases, we

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cover.
It's only a matter of time until

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things escalate.
And that escalation happens with

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clots nailing, the journalism
professor at the College of

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Sequoias that was September 11
1975.

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When he grabs claude's teenage
daughter out of her bedroom at 2

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a.m.
And from what she said, he just

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put his hand over her mouth and
put a knife to her neck and

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said, you're coming with me.
Don't scream or I'll stab you.

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And as he's dragging her out of
the house she struggling, Sam.

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He pulls out a gun and he's
like, don't scream or I'll shoot

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you and this time she complies
and walked out the back door of

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her home.
But her father hears, the

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commotion and he bolts out of
bed.

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He runs onto the porch and he's
just like, what are you doing?

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Where are you taking my
daughter?

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And Joseph shoots.
Claude the first bullet hits him

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Square in the chest and it spins
him around and the second bullet

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hits.
His left side going through his

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arm into his heart and both of
his lungs.

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He is wife is able to help him
stumble into the house as she

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calls 911.
But within minutes, he is dead

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Joseph in his great moment of
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Tosses the teen girl to the
ground kicks her in the face

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three times and then runs off.
She describes it to the police

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as a white man.
Five-foot-ten Angry Eyes, the

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handgun.
He uses in the situation is a

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miroku. 38 had been stolen from
a ransacked property that was

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hit 10 days earlier and when the
police pull, all the calls

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around the house, Claude
Snelling had reported a man

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looking into the windows of his
house.

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A man looking at his daughter
before the Back and that night.

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Claude had chased the man away
from his house but in the

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darkness.
So Joseph had been case in this

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house but not do what?
A good job I did.

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I guess he just decided Well I
can't break in and and and rape

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her.
So I'm a stealer With that, the

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police are on high alert.
Every cop is out the following

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evening.
They spent time looking at one

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house that was on West squeak
Avenue because it had been hit

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three separate times by the Rams
occur on December 10th.

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Detective Bill McGowan was at
this house when it's when they

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ransacked her shows up again to
do a fourth hit.

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Now, he's surprised but like
Joseph is surprised, but he

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quickly jumped over the fence at
the detective follows him.

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And when McGowan fires a warning
shot, he puts his hands up and

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in a very high pitch, voice is
like, oh my God, don't hurt me.

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See, my hands are up, but the
problem was one hand was up, and

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it was the dark.
And with his other hand, he

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pulls his gun out and shoot to
the detective.

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He doesn't actually hit the
detective, he hits the

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detectives.
Flashlight and the flashlight

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kind of explodes into like Light
Glass and plastic and kind of

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hits him in the face.
And so, for a moment, he's kind

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of temporarily blinded me like
stumbles and falls down.

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And this of course gives Joseph.
The chance to get away.

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But just the the audacity right
to go back to a house.

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You've already burglarized three
times just to keep messing with

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these people.
It's like that when you were

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talking about it last week when
he was still making phone calls.

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Oh yeah.
They actually there's way more

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phone calls on the police side,
but we're going to talk about

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that soon to.
So, on January, 9th 1976 is

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Salia police take a trip to Park
Center, which is the LAPD

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headquarters in Downtown LA,
they were very much.

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Like why haven't we found this
guy?

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We have literally all these cops
on this.

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This is weird.
So the LAPD is like how about

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this?
We're going to put Bill McGowan

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under hypnosis.
See if he can remember anything

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else because they're like, as
far as they're concerned, he's

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the only person who really
outside of cloths, tailings,

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daughter to see Joseph and live
to tell, you know, to see him

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and lived to tell the tale.
So I think they don't want to

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put the teen victim through.
This again, because she's

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literally had to watch her
father died.

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Now, under hypnosis McGowan
tells the police that he had a

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baby face.
It was round and soft looking no

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hair on his face at all and that
was very consistent with reports

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of the people who saw someone
looking in their window, the

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police actually are like does he
ever go outside?

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Because he's so pale like he
can't be a native to the Salia

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because people from this region
are outside and we have the Tans

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to prove that So the police go
back over the hundreds and

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hundreds of power.
Prowler and peeping.

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Tom calls from girls and young
women that go back to 1973.

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If you remember from last week
73 is when he graduated from

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college.
So he started this.

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As soon as he no longer had to
deal with studying for school.

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The police contact every
eyewitness, show everybody the

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sketch and they do get some new
details.

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But the problem here is and if
you look at the sketches, I know

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you're not Brian.
But if someone's listening and

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you just pull up, Joseph James,
D'Angelo's Wikipedia page,

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you're going to see like nine
different sketches and the first

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one doesn't look like him.
And all I can think in this

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situation is that he's chubby
right now.

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He had maybe he hasn't been
working out as much because it

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does look like a chunky version
of Joseph DeAngelo.

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Also an interesting detail here,
right?

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The high pitch voice because we
know later on.

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In the East area rapist case.
He's talking in a deep voice,

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kind of through his teeth like
that.

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So it's interesting with the
police, believe happened with

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this is that sometimes, women
would hear two voices and that

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he was trying to make it seem
like this was a group thing at

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this was like a team or from.
So, and so that's why he had to

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voice.
I get there.

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So if he gets caught you can be
like, no, no, it was the other

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guy.
Who's the main guy?

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It's not just me.
Yeah.

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He's putting everything now.
It's Sacramento begins dealing

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with the easier rapist.
The solute, PD do send

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information to them about the
fact that their attacks kind of

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seem similar the trashing.
The house, the was stealing

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worthless Trinkets and personal
jewelry that can't be sold.

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And that similar tools are being
used, but, of course, because

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burglarizing and raping or two
very different crimes that

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generally have different
pathologies, it's overlooked at

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this time.
I'm in history.

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Sacramento's.
Like there's just too many

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differences.
We're getting shoe Impressions

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here, your guy never left any
evidence.

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We're getting evidence, this,
he's making mistakes, but like I

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think this situation with that
composite sketch, that the

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ransack her picture is him at a
higher weight and the, the

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sketches that come out of the
East area.

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Rapist, he look slender, I think
that was also a big detail and

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I'm like that throws me for a
loop because Generally attackers

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will change their hair color,
maybe they were glasses, maybe

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they were a hat, you can get
away with it if you just lose

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weight.
Of course, if you're very thin

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already, I suppose you have to
add yes, or grow a beard or

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something.
Well, so 1978 in July the salyut

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PD, tell the press that they
believe that the easier rapist

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and of a sawyer ransack are the
same guy and the Sacramento

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Sheriff's are pissed off.
They released their own

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statement saying that they are
disappointed in the newspaper

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and the other police department
and say that the other de Police

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Department is just desperate
even now, there's still

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disagreements on whether they
were the same people.

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I mean, by the name of Ken Clark
Sacramento's lead, Investigator

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in the more recent cases,
believe they were the same and

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so do the FBI.
But the lead investigator in

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Contra, Costa County did not
Now, these attacks as the Easter

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rapist begin on June 18 1976,
it's Friday night and Rancho

452
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,800
Cordova at 4:00 a.m. is victims,
23 years old, and she just moved

453
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,800
back into her dad's house on 26
hundred block of paseo Drive.

454
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,800
They've been Sivan.
Receiving strange calls for

455
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,100
weeks, and she definitely felt
really uncomfortable and she

456
00:27:32,100 --> 00:27:33,500
wanted to believe.
They were a prank.

457
00:27:33,500 --> 00:27:37,800
Like the police said.
The night of the attack, her dad

458
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,500
was out of town and she was all
alone.

459
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,700
She woke up at 4 a.m. and her
light was on.

460
00:27:42,700 --> 00:27:45,100
And a man was sitting in the
doorway with the ski mask on

461
00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:47,600
tapping.
The door frame with a knife, he

462
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,200
had no pants on.
She told the police later, he

463
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,000
had a very slim athletic build
he yank her bedding off of her.

464
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,800
And was like, if you make a move
or sound, I'll stick this knife

465
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,100
into you.
I want to fuck you.

466
00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:02,900
Take it off.
Direct quote.

467
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,800
Yep.
Unlike the soft, high-pitched

468
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,400
voice.
We get and we saw you, this is

469
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,000
horse.
And speaking through clenched

470
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,700
teeth, he tied her up assaulted
her and when it was done, he

471
00:28:12,700 --> 00:28:16,500
asked, if she had any money when
she tried to reply like that,

472
00:28:16,500 --> 00:28:19,400
she didn't he yelled her.
Shut up, he gagged her.

473
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,700
He went hunting through the
house and at one point she

474
00:28:21,700 --> 00:28:24,300
thought she heard two people
talking and then there was

475
00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:27,200
silence.
She wriggles out of her.

476
00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:31,500
Shoe strings that he has tied
her up with and calls the

477
00:28:31,500 --> 00:28:34,600
police.
The police treat this like a

478
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,100
sexual assault case that she's
alert and she's able to tell

479
00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:40,300
them the knife is about three or
four inches long.

480
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,000
She told him the mass seemed
homemade from some strange white

481
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,200
like course material.
He wore gloves the entire time.

482
00:28:47,500 --> 00:28:52,300
The police found a balled up
towel with baby oil Assuming

483
00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:56,500
that he prepared himself, so
that when he woke her up, he was

484
00:28:56,500 --> 00:29:01,400
erect and she would see him.
He had used a special tool to

485
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,800
slip a deadlock, so he didn't
have to force it open.

486
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,500
And when they finished
processing the scene, they

487
00:29:08,500 --> 00:29:13,000
discovered that he stole $15 and
two packs of Winston cigarettes.

488
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,300
The police are like, well, the
reason why he's there is the

489
00:29:16,300 --> 00:29:20,000
rape not the stealing.
So they collect everything in

490
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,800
the house that they can, that
they think, I have his DNA on it

491
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,700
to catalogue, it's going to be
years before we have workable

492
00:29:26,700 --> 00:29:28,500
DNA evidence, but they keep it
anyway.

493
00:29:30,100 --> 00:29:35,100
After the attack Joseph calls
her six times, he mainly calling

494
00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:39,300
breathing, and then, hanging up
and eventually his victim gets

495
00:29:39,300 --> 00:29:40,900
some peace.
They seem to stop and then a

496
00:29:40,900 --> 00:29:46,500
year later coincidentally, when
her rape kit analysis came back

497
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:50,500
and they determined that he has
a rare.

498
00:29:50,900 --> 00:29:51,900
It's not an it.
Illness.

499
00:29:51,900 --> 00:29:55,700
It's just like a rare quality.
I don't know if people know

500
00:29:55,700 --> 00:29:59,300
this, but generally your DNA and
all forms can also.

501
00:29:59,300 --> 00:30:03,000
I think tell you're like
specifically for men, your semen

502
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,100
can tell your blood type.
His didn't.

503
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,900
And there's been another serial
killer that also had the same

504
00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:13,600
condition, which is kind of odd,
but this is a problem because

505
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,700
now that they can't get his,
they can't get his blood type

506
00:30:16,700 --> 00:30:19,300
from it.
Blood type can eliminate a bunch

507
00:30:19,300 --> 00:30:25,400
of people potentially as
potential rapists, so.

508
00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:28,600
But the last time that Joseph
calls, her is almost a year

509
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,100
later in December.
And he says, Merry Christmas.

510
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:35,300
It's me again.
So gross.

511
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,200
Oh, that's so gross.
Yeah, the first word rapes were

512
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,100
handled with care.
The police did the due

513
00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:43,900
diligence, but essentially
Joseph knew what they were

514
00:30:43,900 --> 00:30:46,100
looking for.
So, he specifically moved in a

515
00:30:46,108 --> 00:30:49,100
way and didn't leave much of any
physical evidence behind.

516
00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:52,100
However, the fifth rape was a
woman named Jane Carson and it

517
00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:55,700
was a pivotal moment.
In this case, I didn't expand on

518
00:30:55,700 --> 00:30:58,400
this because I do want to give
Jane's case some some extra

519
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,600
time.
So Jane Carson is a 30 year, old

520
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,600
nursing student.
When she's attacked on October

521
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,700
5th, 1976.
She's Her three-year-old son and

522
00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:07,400
her husband just leaves for
work.

523
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,200
It's like 6:30 in the morning
her and the baby just laying

524
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,100
together, you know, doing cute,
baby things and Jane hears a

525
00:31:15,100 --> 00:31:18,500
door open and she assumes, it's
probably her husband, maybe he

526
00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:21,700
met forgot, something ran back.
And she just here's kind of the,

527
00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:23,900
you know, bump up of someone
walking in the house.

528
00:31:24,300 --> 00:31:27,100
It's Joseph and he blinds her
with a flashlight and he has a

529
00:31:27,108 --> 00:31:31,700
butcher knife He immediately
cuts her with the blade on her

530
00:31:31,700 --> 00:31:35,800
chest and he's like, if you say
anything I'll kill you, I just

531
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:40,600
want money.
So he gags and ties up both Jane

532
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:45,200
and her toddler, and then goes
about the house.

533
00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:49,200
Just Russell and everything
looking for everything.

534
00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:53,600
Eventually he comes back and he
unties just her legs.

535
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,600
Now he during this like moment
where he kept going around the

536
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,400
house, he kept coming back like
he would move things and she be

537
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,700
here stuff, and then he would
come back in the room and check

538
00:32:04,700 --> 00:32:08,500
on her at one point.
During one of those checks, she

539
00:32:08,500 --> 00:32:11,500
kind of feels for her son and
he's not there.

540
00:32:12,700 --> 00:32:17,400
And so she's freaking out.
And so even though she realizes

541
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,000
that, it looks like he might
have, he's going to assault her,

542
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,100
she just got care Doll.
She said she told the police.

543
00:32:23,100 --> 00:32:24,900
She was more focused on the fact
that she didn't know where her

544
00:32:24,900 --> 00:32:27,700
baby was, of course and she
couldn't hear it.

545
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,900
He spent the entire assault
taunting her.

546
00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:33,600
While she's upset about the
baby.

547
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,900
Not letting her know that her
son is just on the floor next to

548
00:32:36,900 --> 00:32:40,800
the bed.
She told the police like I said,

549
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,300
she she was just so focused on
that but the assault goes on for

550
00:32:44,300 --> 00:32:48,700
two hours.
Eventually he leaves?

551
00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:52,000
She tears off her bindings and
sees that her son is safe and

552
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,800
picks up her son and runs next
door to the police.

553
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,500
An officer arrives at her home,
who will become important to

554
00:32:59,500 --> 00:33:01,200
this case in a lot of different
ways.

555
00:33:01,500 --> 00:33:05,800
And her name is Carol daily.
Carol Daly was one of the first

556
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,000
women detectives in Sacramento,
and she was invaluable in this

557
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,800
case, against the East are area
rapist.

558
00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:15,000
Now, Carol originally worked as
a secretary for the County

559
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,800
coroner in 1968, and then, until
her husband showed her a job

560
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,300
listing because the county was
desperate for women, deputies,

561
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,600
and back in the 60s, being a
woman in the police department

562
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,600
was kind of its own
classification, and they had a

563
00:33:28,608 --> 00:33:31,700
separate testing process.
It was all very weird, but she's

564
00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:35,500
just like, listen, I'm going.
You do it because you know, if I

565
00:33:35,500 --> 00:33:37,600
fail then I nothing's bad
happens.

566
00:33:37,900 --> 00:33:40,700
But if I pass, I get a hundred
percent pay raise.

567
00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:44,900
Only 35 women even responded to
the job posting.

568
00:33:46,300 --> 00:33:49,600
Twelve of them passed and six
were hired to join the two women

569
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,900
who are already working for the
Sacramento.

570
00:33:51,900 --> 00:33:56,700
Police Department Carol's one of
those six and when I talk about

571
00:33:56,700 --> 00:34:00,600
this is like the arrow where
lady cops were skirt still and

572
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,400
kept guns in their persons and
actually carried purses to

573
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:08,400
primelink.
Yes, the police have eight women

574
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,000
working for them but they don't
exactly know what to do with

575
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,100
them because generally male,
deputies do stints working in

576
00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:17,500
prison or they do sir.
Controls until they're ready to

577
00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:20,199
move up Carol.
Does everything asked if her and

578
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:21,600
slowly?
She starts moving up in the

579
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,699
department, she's very focused,
she earns respect of a lot of

580
00:34:24,699 --> 00:34:29,000
people.
And her life changed in 1976

581
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,900
when she's the one, who responds
to Jane Carson.

582
00:34:36,900 --> 00:34:41,000
The police realized that they
have a Serial predator and by

583
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,300
the seventh and eighth, rape,
they realized they need to make

584
00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:46,199
a task force.
And they're like, well, Carol

585
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:48,000
has to be a part of this task
force.

586
00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:52,000
She's the only woman, but so far
Carol's talk to all of the rape

587
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,800
victims.
And they're comfortable talking

588
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,300
to her.
She was a natural interviewing

589
00:34:58,300 --> 00:35:00,700
people putting them at ease and
it becomes a thing.

590
00:35:00,700 --> 00:35:04,000
Where whenever a new call comes
in the patrolling deputies, who

591
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,800
respond to the rape call, Carol
she comes to the scene and she

592
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,300
takes the women to the hospital
herself for their exam.

593
00:35:11,700 --> 00:35:14,100
She interviews them during the
long periods of time waiting in

594
00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:17,600
the hospital and this might seem
callous to some people.

595
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,600
But getting those details when
they're fresh and the person's

596
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,900
mind is vital.
And ultimately Carol Interview

597
00:35:23,900 --> 00:35:27,600
36 of the East area.
Rapist victims that happen in

598
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,200
her jurisdiction.
The others happen outside of the

599
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:37,500
Sacramento County.
There was a situation where

600
00:35:37,500 --> 00:35:41,700
there was a woman who kept kind
of bad going back and forth

601
00:35:41,700 --> 00:35:46,100
between crying and laughing
until Carol came in the room and

602
00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:51,400
then she was like, let's talk.
They knew that she would be

603
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,200
there too.
She was there to listen.

604
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,400
And these interviews are really
difficult because some of these

605
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,300
women have husbands.
So now you have to ask really

606
00:36:00,300 --> 00:36:02,500
delicate questions like one's
the last time you had sex with

607
00:36:02,500 --> 00:36:06,200
your husband.
Did you do any sort of douching

608
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:11,900
or cleaning between then and the
time that this person assaulted

609
00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:12,800
you?
How did he touch?

610
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:19,800
You there very hard questions to
answer. but through these long

611
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,900
interviews, they establish his
MO And Carol worked on this

612
00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:26,600
case, almost exclusively for two
years.

613
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,700
But she says she thought about
it for 42 and kept in contact

614
00:36:30,700 --> 00:36:34,700
with many of the victims.
And when they caught D'Angelo,

615
00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:39,100
the police called her first and
she said, don't let them learn

616
00:36:39,100 --> 00:36:41,200
about it.
In the news, we got a call them

617
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,800
ourselves and he went, all
right, you start making calls.

618
00:36:45,700 --> 00:36:47,800
She was the first person to
become undersheriff, in

619
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,500
Sacramento before she retired in
2001 and her work on the East

620
00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:54,100
area, rapist task force.
In standardizing rape kits

621
00:36:54,100 --> 00:36:56,900
across the state.
She informed Trauma Centers and

622
00:36:56,900 --> 00:36:58,800
hospitals of the kind of
evidence that was need to

623
00:36:58,808 --> 00:37:01,500
collect that would actually help
get convictions.

624
00:37:03,500 --> 00:37:06,200
She's also the first person to
realize that the EC a rapist is

625
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,100
calling people before they are
attacking and afterward.

626
00:37:12,100 --> 00:37:14,800
This gives a multi-layered
understanding of the kind of

627
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,100
Predator.
He is, he's getting off to

628
00:37:17,100 --> 00:37:20,200
scaring people and like he done
with the for prior victims.

629
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,600
J and Carson was called many
times beforehand.

630
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,800
She even told the police that
the Phantom caller had

631
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,000
threatened to kill her husband,
but they said these have to be

632
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,500
prank calls in reality.
Joseph is causing calling the

633
00:37:33,500 --> 00:37:37,000
figure out when the people who
live there are home.

634
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:44,100
And when he leaves the next rape
happens, four days later, this

635
00:37:44,100 --> 00:37:46,800
is the first time that the
newspapers used the term serial

636
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:52,000
rapist, and it begins the panic
in Rancho, Cordova the

637
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,300
Sacramento County.
Police create a task force, led

638
00:37:54,300 --> 00:37:57,900
by lieutenant re-root and rate
apps, Carol, immediately.

639
00:37:57,900 --> 00:38:01,400
She's the only one who can get
these people to talk the task

640
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,200
force stations dozens of
officers around Rancho Cordova.

641
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,800
So that if a rape is called in,
they can get there within

642
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,500
minutes.
Ten days, later on October 18th,

643
00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:15,100
there's a rape in the a.m. and
that afternoon the police

644
00:38:15,100 --> 00:38:18,700
publicly announced that they are
searching for officially titled,

645
00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:21,500
the East area.
Rapist and offering a 25-hundred

646
00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:25,500
dollar reward for information to
his capture that night almost

647
00:38:25,500 --> 00:38:28,500
despite them, he attacks another
woman in the neighborhood.

648
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,500
There were even stationed a
block away from the woman's

649
00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:34,600
house.
They do not catch him, they

650
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,700
don't even get wind of him.
It's like he is poofing in the

651
00:38:37,700 --> 00:38:42,100
air when he's finished.
Now the next Moment In the case

652
00:38:42,100 --> 00:38:45,700
comes November 10th 1976 at
about 7:30 p.m.

653
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,800
There's a teenage girl and she's
in the house alone for about 15

654
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,400
minutes.
When Joe break, said she was

655
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,100
waiting for her boyfriend to
pick her up and her parents had

656
00:38:55,100 --> 00:38:59,200
just left Joe drags her out of
the house and into the canals

657
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,500
back behind her home ties her up
and then goes back to the house

658
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,200
and stages it to look.
Like she left on her own.

659
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,200
Like, he didn't break in, he has
never done this before.

660
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,400
And they're worried, is this a
sign that he's escalating

661
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:18,100
becoming more sophisticated?
The task force is like, well,

662
00:39:18,100 --> 00:39:21,000
we're definitely not dealing
with your garden-variety rapist.

663
00:39:21,500 --> 00:39:26,000
He has shown serious levels of
premeditation on one side.

664
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,900
But on the other he's completely
Reckless people.

665
00:39:28,900 --> 00:39:31,600
In the community have seen him
running away.

666
00:39:32,300 --> 00:39:34,600
So the task force creates a
broad profile.

667
00:39:34,700 --> 00:39:36,900
They think he graduated from
high school in the late 60s,

668
00:39:36,900 --> 00:39:40,300
early 70s, he has ties to the
military and may have ties to

669
00:39:40,300 --> 00:39:42,500
the police.
That he either was a cop or

670
00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:45,800
wants to be one.
And this profile is 100%

671
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,700
accurate.
We know that from last week but

672
00:39:47,700 --> 00:39:51,200
the only problem is there's
virtually two generations of men

673
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,500
who were in the military, okay,
World War Two but there's a

674
00:39:55,500 --> 00:39:59,500
whole generation of young guys
who had just been in Vietnam,

675
00:40:00,100 --> 00:40:02,900
thousands upon thousands of men
fit the description of being a

676
00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:06,800
medium, white built to either
lean too chubby.

677
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,700
White guy with a pail of skin
imaginable somewhere between 57

678
00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:13,700
and 510 was in Vietnam and is a
cop.

679
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,200
That's still too many people.
It's not enough.

680
00:40:19,900 --> 00:40:21,600
But the task force goes back to
the basics.

681
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,200
They start going through like
30,000 cases, across all of

682
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,000
California history, looking for
any rapists.

683
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,600
You may have just gotten that.
A president fits this

684
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,700
description, it leads to
nothing, and the 25-hundred

685
00:40:32,700 --> 00:40:39,100
dollar reward Rings, no answers.
So from December of 1976 to

686
00:40:39,100 --> 00:40:41,600
February 70, 75 more, women are
raped.

687
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,200
And the community is scared.
Cops are stationed, not just

688
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,900
around homes, but in them
families who don't have cops in

689
00:40:48,908 --> 00:40:51,900
their homes are sleeping in
shifts, sitting up with guns

690
00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:56,000
trained on the doors.
Thousands of guns are sold in

691
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,200
this Gap.
Deadbolts going back order,

692
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,200
people who can't get, deadbolts
are taking alternative measures

693
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,800
like putting doweling rods in
the gap between the sliding door

694
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,300
on the floor or in between the
window.

695
00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:10,000
So it can't be pulled up or
down.

696
00:41:10,300 --> 00:41:12,700
One family told the Sacramento
Bee that they put a tambourine

697
00:41:12,700 --> 00:41:14,800
on every window and door, so
they can hear somebody.

698
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:26,100
And this level of I think
alertness does bring in some

699
00:41:26,100 --> 00:41:32,100
information.
February 17th 1977 18, year-old

700
00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:33,200
Rodney.
Miller.

701
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,500
Here's a Prowler.
And inspects and sees a man in

702
00:41:37,500 --> 00:41:40,100
the bushes between him and his
neighbor's house.

703
00:41:40,900 --> 00:41:43,700
Rodney lives in the Republican
Ripon area R upon.

704
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,100
It's outside of Sacramento, and
it has not been hit with a rape.

705
00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:49,300
Dad.
Ronnie looks at the man in the

706
00:41:49,300 --> 00:41:53,500
bushes and is like, you going to
stay there and chases them.

707
00:41:54,500 --> 00:41:57,700
This man runs top speed across
the street, but stops in his

708
00:41:57,700 --> 00:41:59,900
neighbor's, front, yard and
waits to see if Robbie's going

709
00:41:59,900 --> 00:42:03,000
to chase him again.
The teenager just bolts after

710
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,000
him and manages, Grab justices
Joseph, slag.

711
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,900
As he's going over a fence and
makes him fall down.

712
00:42:11,500 --> 00:42:15,700
As Rodney begins to climb the
fence, Joe pulls his gun and

713
00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:18,400
shoots Ronnie in the stomach,
and of course, Ronnie falls back

714
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,200
onto his neighbor's lawn and
neighbors.

715
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,800
Hear The Gunshot, and they call
the police he gets away.

716
00:42:25,100 --> 00:42:26,900
But Ronnie has a very clear
picture.

717
00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:31,100
He was leaning over that fence
staring right at that, right at

718
00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:38,200
the guy.
So he gets a Information to the

719
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:39,400
police.
As soon as he can, obviously,

720
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,000
they had to deal with the whole
gut shot first.

721
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,400
But this is the best police
sketch we have of him.

722
00:42:44,700 --> 00:42:48,900
And honestly, when I looked at
his, Picture like his little

723
00:42:48,900 --> 00:42:50,900
police picture, you know, after
you get accepted into the

724
00:42:50,900 --> 00:42:54,400
academy or like into the the
department, to take a cute

725
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,900
little picture of you.
It looks just like that.

726
00:42:56,900 --> 00:43:01,800
Just slightly off And one of my
favorite things about Rodney

727
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,200
outside of him, just being a
badass for an 18 year old, is

728
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:08,300
that his family still owns that
house and he is just as proud of

729
00:43:08,300 --> 00:43:12,700
himself.
Now, as he is back then, and he

730
00:43:12,700 --> 00:43:15,200
literally was just like, you
know what?

731
00:43:15,500 --> 00:43:19,300
No rapes happened here.
So I guess I did good, huh?

732
00:43:19,700 --> 00:43:21,100
Yes.
And he's right it.

733
00:43:21,100 --> 00:43:30,200
Spook Joe enough that he leaves
ripping alone He's like, I, are

734
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,600
they on?
They do too much, too difficult

735
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:40,400
over there, but the task force.
Now has concrete proof of how

736
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,700
he's taken a homes because that
bush that Rodney saw him in

737
00:43:45,500 --> 00:43:49,100
looked like it was almost
hollowed out like he had to have

738
00:43:49,100 --> 00:43:56,100
been there for days.
Just watch hating and just that

739
00:43:56,100 --> 00:43:58,800
police sketch gets released on
March 18.

740
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,400
Joseph repeatedly calls the
house of a young girl and arcade

741
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,400
Arden pretending to be a roofer
and asked you to talk to her

742
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,200
parents.
At finally, the girl gets

743
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,200
annoyed and she's just like
they're not coming back until

744
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,000
next week.
Leave me alone at the tanks up

745
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,200
on him that afternoon.
Joseph makes his first call to

746
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,100
the Sacramento Sheriff's
Department.

747
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:21,400
The first of many calls he just
says, I'm the Easter are rapists

748
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,700
and cackles and hangs up.
He calls two more times that

749
00:44:24,700 --> 00:44:26,200
day.
Very quickly, the same half hour

750
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,400
and it's just like I'm the
Easter rapist.

751
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,400
I have my Next victim already
stopped, and you guys can't

752
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:37,400
catch me from April of 77 to
November he attacks 12 more

753
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,500
women.
His total is no 28, and the task

754
00:44:40,500 --> 00:44:43,200
force is doing all they can but
they don't have the most money

755
00:44:43,500 --> 00:44:46,300
to try and track these guys
movements Jose calls to the

756
00:44:46,300 --> 00:44:48,800
frequent.
The police are so frequent now

757
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,900
he's calling future victims but
there's just not enough police

758
00:44:51,900 --> 00:44:57,200
to get stationed in every house
and these like 10 neighborhoods

759
00:44:58,300 --> 00:45:00,600
And of course, some of them have
to be false Flags or people

760
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,600
pretending to be him but they
can't get to everybody who's

761
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,700
getting these hang-up calls to
see if he's already been to the

762
00:45:06,700 --> 00:45:10,500
house and might plan attack
because they believe sometimes

763
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,200
he goes in and he fixes things
to help him get back in line.

764
00:45:15,900 --> 00:45:22,700
So he breaks in first and then
stuck and then he leaves it so

765
00:45:22,700 --> 00:45:28,500
he didn't even easier later.
Sakura, many sacraments

766
00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:31,600
Sacramento County community
members are like y'all aren't

767
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,600
doing enough.
And they hold a series of

768
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,600
meetings to discuss it to do the
solution at one of those early

769
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,000
meetings is now there are 100
men from the county who are

770
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,200
driving around every night
looking for him.

771
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,700
On top of the police.
There's another meeting that

772
00:45:47,700 --> 00:45:49,700
happens at a local school and
detective.

773
00:45:49,700 --> 00:45:53,600
Carroll Daily is they're giving
self-defense tips to women and

774
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,800
girls who could be potential
victims at that meeting.

775
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,800
A man comes forward and calls
other men cowards for letting

776
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,000
another man, get away with
raping your wife next to you.

777
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,700
That man eventually becomes a
victim.

778
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:19,500
Joseph will break into that
man's house tie him up and this

779
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,800
detective Carol alerts her peers
that the rapist is part of this

780
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,600
community.
He's attending these meetings to

781
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:31,100
learn what we're doing.
To try to combat him, which

782
00:46:31,100 --> 00:46:32,900
makes sense.
Because these meetings are where

783
00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:35,300
those guys are saying like, Hey,
we're going to do this thing,

784
00:46:35,300 --> 00:46:38,200
and these people are going to go
to this area, they're planning

785
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,700
the way that they drive around
every night and so, of course,

786
00:46:41,700 --> 00:46:44,200
he knows so he knows how to
avoid them.

787
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,100
Lee Autumn.
He starts calling the police

788
00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:52,200
precinct and he taunts Carol.
On December 2nd.

789
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,300
He calls and says you're never
gonna catch me.

790
00:46:54,300 --> 00:46:56,600
Dumb fuckers.
I'm the Easter rapist.

791
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:01,200
I'm gonna fuck again tonight.
Be careful and his next attack

792
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:02,800
happens.
A few hours later.

793
00:47:04,900 --> 00:47:07,000
Also, in December, that horrible
poem.

794
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,200
He calls he calls the woman and
says, Merry Christmas.

795
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,500
It's me again, even calls the
task force phone line, and he's

796
00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:19,100
just like, you know, what, I'll
help you out.

797
00:47:19,100 --> 00:47:22,700
I'm gonna, I'm gonna attack
somebody on why Avenue tonight

798
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,700
and the goal of this guy.
It isn't a wild goose, chase.

799
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,700
He actually shows up on what
avenue to try and break in while

800
00:47:29,700 --> 00:47:34,200
the police are there, but they
end up chasing him away from the

801
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:38,200
area.
The police give the first woman,

802
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,300
a tape recorder and they're
like, listen be ready.

803
00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:45,000
He might call, we can get his
voice, we can put it out in the,

804
00:47:45,100 --> 00:47:50,400
on the paper, you know, on TV
Jane's, January 2nd.

805
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,800
He calls her again.
They get their first tape call

806
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:58,000
and release it to the media.
The call is him saying over and

807
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,900
over again.
He's going to kill her and he

808
00:47:59,900 --> 00:48:02,200
calls her a whore and a bitch
multiple times.

809
00:48:03,300 --> 00:48:06,000
Four days later, he calls the
police again but not to the tip

810
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,200
line.
This time he calls the contact

811
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,300
Counseling Services, he sounds
like he's struggling with

812
00:48:11,300 --> 00:48:13,800
something and he tells the
person on the phone, I have a

813
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,300
problem, I need help.
I don't want to do this anymore.

814
00:48:17,900 --> 00:48:20,200
Now the counselor, of course,
heard the voice of the Easter

815
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:21,600
rapists.
And so she thinks that's the

816
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:26,400
guy, so she kind of on the low
tip alerts the police and

817
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:30,300
they're like, we're coming.
They have a couple minute

818
00:48:30,300 --> 00:48:33,500
conversation and as people are
arriving, In trying to listen,

819
00:48:33,500 --> 00:48:38,300
in Joseph, says I believe you're
tracking this call and he hangs

820
00:48:38,300 --> 00:48:41,700
up.
He goes back to taunting the

821
00:48:41,700 --> 00:48:46,800
police and past and future
victims on February 2nd 1978.

822
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,200
He kills again, these are the
match, yours.

823
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:53,000
The couple that were just out
walking her dog, and Brian,

824
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,700
Mash.
Your, who was in the military,

825
00:48:54,700 --> 00:48:58,200
kind of catches him, skulking
around, and chases them, and

826
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:03,400
both Brian and Katie or shot.
Just more proof again that he

827
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:07,900
panics sometimes and just shoots
people, the police find

828
00:49:07,900 --> 00:49:12,200
shoelaces at the scene.
His favorite kind of rope and

829
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,300
they deduce that just like with
Rodney, he was interrupted and

830
00:49:15,300 --> 00:49:19,700
he killed out of fear.
They also find military shoe

831
00:49:19,700 --> 00:49:22,900
prints which match other
footprints found at different

832
00:49:22,900 --> 00:49:26,800
scenes and the community freaks
out because they're like, crap

833
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,100
now he's not just raping people,
he's killing them.

834
00:49:30,500 --> 00:49:34,600
The task force tells the press
that women who live alone or

835
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,300
happened to sometimes be alone.
And first story Ranch, houses

836
00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:44,400
near Rancho Cordova are at risk.
And after the police, like after

837
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,400
that, article comes out in the
papers, the attack, stop and

838
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:52,700
Rancho Cordova.
He's just which is bad because

839
00:49:52,700 --> 00:49:55,500
he makes his move a little
North, the community of

840
00:49:55,500 --> 00:49:58,600
Northeast, Modesto and
Stanislaus, county is not

841
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:02,800
prepared for an attack on June
5th. 1978 he ties with the

842
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,300
husband rapes, the wife with the
husband and child in earshot

843
00:50:06,500 --> 00:50:08,600
Stacks plates.
On top of the husband, as a

844
00:50:08,607 --> 00:50:13,100
sound Trigger, he attacks her
for 45 minutes and then

845
00:50:13,100 --> 00:50:17,400
disappears Into the Night.
On July 6, he attacks another

846
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,700
woman, but this time in Davis,
California.

847
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,400
She's his 37th victim and
throughout the entire attack.

848
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:28,200
He says over and over again.
I hate you, I hate you Bonnie.

849
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,500
Almost like he's not present in
the moment.

850
00:50:31,500 --> 00:50:34,100
The task force is like who the
hell is Bonnie?

851
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,400
They're like, is she a past
victim?

852
00:50:37,500 --> 00:50:41,500
A future picked on someone he
desires, of course, it's decades

853
00:50:41,500 --> 00:50:43,500
before they learn exactly who
right.

854
00:50:43,500 --> 00:50:47,600
She is.
Now, December 2nd of 1978, he

855
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:52,800
shifts his hunting grounds 130
miles from the previous attack

856
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,800
to San Jose, police all over the
state now know what it means.

857
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,400
So there's a rape and the house
has been trashed that's the East

858
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,200
area, rapists and San Jose
braces for chaos.

859
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,800
What we know is that at this
time Joe and Sharon are

860
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,800
traveling but looking for a
place to find a home.

861
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,200
So it's plausible that they were
just in the region looking for

862
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,000
houses because it's the only
attack that's in that area for

863
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,700
now.
He uses this time to terrorize a

864
00:51:18,700 --> 00:51:22,100
couple when the husband tries to
defend his wife Jo nearly

865
00:51:22,100 --> 00:51:24,300
shatters.
The guys, kneecap hitting him so

866
00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:28,900
hard that he can't get out of
the bed, the entire time.

867
00:51:28,900 --> 00:51:30,900
He's raping this woman.
He's threatening both her and

868
00:51:30,900 --> 00:51:33,500
her husband.
He keeps the knife out when he's

869
00:51:33,500 --> 00:51:38,000
done, he leaves them tied up.
They hear him pacing and crying

870
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,300
outside of their bedroom in the
Next Room.

871
00:51:42,100 --> 00:51:46,000
He only actually stops when the
man knocked the dishes off of

872
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,000
his back.
And then Joe hits the man in the

873
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,200
head.
With one of his weapons still

874
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,900
though, the husband doesn't stay
down and when he moves again and

875
00:51:55,900 --> 00:51:59,200
knocked over the plates.
Again this time.

876
00:51:59,900 --> 00:52:03,300
Joe ties him up again and puts
the plates on them, cry, some

877
00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:07,900
more and then leaves once you
put your please rightly, so the

878
00:52:07,900 --> 00:52:09,700
police are worried.
He's having sometimes.

879
00:52:09,700 --> 00:52:15,000
Yeah.
I'm sorry.

880
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,300
I was like, why would you want
to place it back on if you just

881
00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:21,900
go to leave anyway?
I don't know maybe like some

882
00:52:21,900 --> 00:52:25,400
down to okay, whatever.
I know.

883
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,100
And obviously this guy is shown
that like he doesn't care about

884
00:52:28,100 --> 00:52:31,700
your little a trigger.
He's gonna keep doing what he

885
00:52:31,700 --> 00:52:35,700
wants and trying to help his
wife, but another where he's

886
00:52:35,700 --> 00:52:37,800
having some kind of
psychological break, but we do

887
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,300
know outside of this.
We talked about last week so

888
00:52:40,308 --> 00:52:43,100
there's trouble in the D'Angelo
house Joe and Sharon are

889
00:52:43,107 --> 00:52:45,900
sleeping in different bedrooms,
they are not having a good

890
00:52:45,900 --> 00:52:48,300
marital relationship.
The polite.

891
00:52:48,300 --> 00:52:50,600
The police are right that this
is an escalation and that

892
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,900
there's going to be a further
escalation but they don't know

893
00:52:52,900 --> 00:52:57,600
how or when and by the end of
1978, there are now 80

894
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,200
detectives on the East area.
Rapist, task force across

895
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:04,000
multiple counties and there have
been 40, rapes, Lieutenant

896
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,000
re-root, isn't sure what to do.
They followed the book when it

897
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,300
comes to policing and trying to
catch this guy.

898
00:53:09,700 --> 00:53:12,800
So one of the detectives Richard
Shelby, Be who was on the task

899
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,900
force.
At one point, has an idea,

900
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,300
Shelby is intense and he
recognized the serial nature of

901
00:53:19,300 --> 00:53:21,500
these crimes.
And even though he'd been taken

902
00:53:21,500 --> 00:53:23,600
off the case.
At this point, he's not letting

903
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,200
it go.
Shelby's like, listen, we need

904
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:31,200
to attack him in the Press.
Attack his manhood, see if he

905
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:35,000
does something Reckless.
So the task force releases

906
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,800
information about the easier,
rapist specifically that he has

907
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:44,000
a small deformed penis and they
brand him as a coward in the

908
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,500
news.
Detective Shelby gets quoted in

909
00:53:47,500 --> 00:53:52,100
the Press talking about this and
shortly after Shelby's young son

910
00:53:52,100 --> 00:53:55,700
would come to detective.
Detectives bedroom telling him

911
00:53:55,700 --> 00:53:57,700
that the man was looking through
his windows.

912
00:53:58,500 --> 00:54:01,000
The young boys so scared that he
refused to sleep in his room

913
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,500
alone until he was 13.
Joseph, just wanted to let

914
00:54:04,500 --> 00:54:08,500
detective Shelby know I know
where you live and I could hurt

915
00:54:08,500 --> 00:54:11,800
you.
If I wanted to detective, shall

916
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,200
we doesn't want to tell his wife
and that they were visited by

917
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:21,800
the East area area rapist?
Now we move into 1979 brings

918
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,500
more six more rapes in
Sacramento Alameda, and Contra

919
00:54:25,500 --> 00:54:28,100
Costa County and the consent
form.

920
00:54:28,300 --> 00:54:33,300
Months, the police force and the
task force Wonder did he die,

921
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:37,300
has he been arrested impressive?
Move to another city.

922
00:54:38,100 --> 00:54:40,400
Now, what you and I know and
everyone who listened to last

923
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,500
week is that this is when he
gets caught stealing from that

924
00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:47,200
hardware store and kind of lays
low while they're dealing with

925
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,500
that.
No one of the most interesting

926
00:54:49,500 --> 00:54:51,400
details about this is.
So he wasn't going to lose his

927
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,300
job, over the stealing, he lost
his job because his boss gave

928
00:54:55,300 --> 00:54:57,800
him six months of Probation and
he lost his cool.

929
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,600
And he gets into this massive
fight in October of 1979.

930
00:55:01,900 --> 00:55:05,500
And he tells his chief, Nick
wellick, he threatens to kill

931
00:55:05,500 --> 00:55:09,100
him.
And his boss is just like, you

932
00:55:09,100 --> 00:55:11,000
know what, I've had it with you.
You're done.

933
00:55:11,900 --> 00:55:14,900
Joe is devastated.
He's humiliated.

934
00:55:14,900 --> 00:55:21,600
He's embarrassed. and within
weeks, Chief willick wakes up

935
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,800
and his daughters in bed with
him in the morning.

936
00:55:24,100 --> 00:55:25,300
And he's like, well, what
happened?

937
00:55:25,300 --> 00:55:27,700
And she's like, there was a man
in my window last night.

938
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,700
He was flashing a light.
So I came in here Just Joe again

939
00:55:31,700 --> 00:55:34,300
trying to threaten people in his
real life who he feels like

940
00:55:34,300 --> 00:55:36,500
giving him problems, which is a
weird thing.

941
00:55:36,500 --> 00:55:43,200
Yeah, they don't know that it's
the, this is the reason why.

942
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:49,800
But after that explosion with
his boss, for more rapes happen,

943
00:55:51,100 --> 00:55:56,900
his youngest victim, yet she's
13, his last Soul.

944
00:55:56,900 --> 00:56:01,000
Rape is October, 1st 1979 is
brutal.

945
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:05,200
It's ink a lot of California.
The task force isn't aware of.

946
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,200
What's about to come on the
horizon.

947
00:56:07,900 --> 00:56:12,000
He is now solidly in the South
and he's about to ask collate to

948
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,300
murder every time.
It starts with dr.

949
00:56:15,300 --> 00:56:17,600
John offer, man and his partner,
dr.

950
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,500
Deborah Manning.
They police.

951
00:56:19,500 --> 00:56:22,900
Find a size 9 shoe and the dirt
outside of the house, and they

952
00:56:22,900 --> 00:56:24,500
match it to the scene in
October.

953
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,200
It's the same guy who committed
the rape, but they aren't sure

954
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,600
that the rape from October is
the East area rapist yet.

955
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,700
March thirteenth, nineteen
eighty, we have Lyman and

956
00:56:35,700 --> 00:56:37,700
Charlene Smith who get
bludgeoned to death in their

957
00:56:37,700 --> 00:56:40,700
home.
They are tied with a special not

958
00:56:40,700 --> 00:56:44,400
called The Diamond.
Not the house isn't ransacked,

959
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,000
for the first time through the
police.

960
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,600
Focus on lyman's business
partner, are really like this

961
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:52,900
part, but just some of his
business dealings Lima Smith is

962
00:56:52,900 --> 00:56:55,600
a well-known attorney.
In Santa Paula, who makes very

963
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,400
odd Investments.
Sometimes offering get-rich

964
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,900
schemes to his clients on one of
such investment through the Land

965
00:57:01,900 --> 00:57:05,300
Development.
I called gaap and the client was

966
00:57:05,300 --> 00:57:09,500
Joe, allsop, police find else's
fingerprints on a glass inside

967
00:57:09,500 --> 00:57:13,200
the Smith home and they dig
deeper and find that allsup had

968
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:17,800
lost a lot of money and
investing in that Land Company,

969
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:22,100
while lyman's returns were just
fine.

970
00:57:23,300 --> 00:57:25,600
So of course also does not
happy.

971
00:57:26,100 --> 00:57:28,800
He has a motive, there's a
fingerprint, they bring all Sub

972
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,400
in for questioning.
He tells detectives he's been in

973
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,700
the Smith's house before
multiple times and he was there

974
00:57:33,700 --> 00:57:36,800
the night before the murders
because they had a beer and talk

975
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,800
business.
Nonetheless, the da pursues all

976
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,700
said for the murders and the a,
he they actually go through a

977
00:57:42,700 --> 00:57:46,500
pretty lengthy pretrial phase
before a judge dismisses, the

978
00:57:46,500 --> 00:57:52,700
case entirely, Joseph doesn't
attack again for seven months.

979
00:57:52,700 --> 00:57:54,700
The police are like, did he
leave again?

980
00:57:55,400 --> 00:58:00,200
See you dead.
August 21st. 1980 is the attack

981
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,800
on Keith and Patrice Harrington.
They are found by Roger

982
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,800
Harrington and Orange County and
a dinner planned but the

983
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,700
couple's bodies are purple.
Meaning they've been there for

984
00:58:09,700 --> 00:58:12,800
days, this was a blitz attack
while they were asleep, which

985
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:19,800
was weird. and, It was out of
character, right?

986
00:58:19,900 --> 00:58:25,000
So he pulled the covers over the
sleeping family's head and beat

987
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:30,800
them both.
With a sprinkler from outside.

988
00:58:32,900 --> 00:58:36,800
They find small parts of brass
and bedded in Patty skull from

989
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:40,700
the sprinkler.
After this, the Press named him,

990
00:58:40,700 --> 00:58:44,800
the Night Stalker.
A 7 months pass.

991
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:50,400
Nothing happens.
Until February 7th. 1981 Manuela

992
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,300
wooden's, mom can't reach her
and she's not at the hospital

993
00:58:53,300 --> 00:58:54,900
with her husband who had
surgery.

994
00:58:55,700 --> 00:58:59,800
Now, while his mom finds her
badly raped, beaten, and half

995
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,500
inside a sleeping bag, the
sleeping bag is weird.

996
00:59:02,500 --> 00:59:06,200
But they learn later from her
husband that she says, when she

997
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,500
has to sleep alone in the big
bed, she doesn't like it.

998
00:59:08,500 --> 00:59:12,500
So, she would sleep in the pool
in a sleeping bag when her

999
00:59:12,500 --> 00:59:15,800
husband wasn't at the house.
The police noticed that there

1000
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:22,700
are bruises on her behind, like
he was punching her, another

1001
00:59:22,700 --> 00:59:26,700
escalation that behavior.
He also tried to Stage this one

1002
00:59:26,700 --> 00:59:33,200
too, by making it look like it
was a robbery and taking the TV

1003
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,800
from living room but he leaves
it.

1004
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,400
Like in the backyard near the
fence.

1005
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,100
Also, he really care about the
TV.

1006
00:59:39,300 --> 00:59:48,900
So he stood in chicken Nope.
The investigators aren't fooled

1007
00:59:48,900 --> 00:59:51,600
though.
They Marcus does another Knights

1008
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,800
Templar attack.
Six months later, there's

1009
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:56,800
another one.
And a lot of California, the

1010
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,600
real estate agent show up to do
an appraisal of a property and

1011
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,500
discover the bodies of Sherry
Domingo.

1012
01:00:01,500 --> 01:00:04,900
And Gregory Sanchez, the
overkill here is dramatic.

1013
01:00:04,900 --> 01:00:07,200
There's blood nearly, and every
surface of the room.

1014
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:12,500
Sherry was hit, dozens times
police wonder if Gregory tried

1015
01:00:12,500 --> 01:00:15,100
to fight back because he is a
bullet wound in his face that

1016
01:00:15,100 --> 01:00:17,800
goes through his cheek.
Maybe he would have tried to,

1017
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,400
like, you know, linebacker just
slamming to him.

1018
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:25,600
And that's you know, in like he
did he Panic shot and it went

1019
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,600
through his cheek but didn't
actually kill him.

1020
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:34,100
They also noticed that he's not
leaving the bindings behind me

1021
01:00:34,100 --> 01:00:38,100
more but they continue to.
They find fibers and Sherry's

1022
01:00:38,100 --> 01:00:42,500
wrists and ankles, he's trying
to hide his tracks now, which is

1023
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:49,100
a shift in the case.
Now think stop and we know that

1024
01:00:49,100 --> 01:00:50,900
that's because Joseph's working
random jobs.

1025
01:00:50,900 --> 01:00:54,300
They have their daughter Misha,
like so many cases we've covered

1026
01:00:54,300 --> 01:00:56,500
our this podcast when the
murders stopped completely and

1027
01:00:56,500 --> 01:01:00,800
the rape, stop, the money stops
to for the task force detective,

1028
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,500
Carol goes back to doing her
good work for Sacramento,

1029
01:01:03,500 --> 01:01:06,700
focusing on rape kit,
standardization, and teaching

1030
01:01:06,700 --> 01:01:10,200
hospitals, what to do.
But all the task force members,

1031
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,200
they can't keep all 80 of these
people on, and a lot of them

1032
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:18,200
fade back into their regular
jobs, but for Carol Can't stop

1033
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,300
talking to the victims and I
already mentioned, Richard,

1034
01:01:20,300 --> 01:01:22,800
Shelby is obsessed with this
case.

1035
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:26,900
He stays obsessed for decades.
For the community east of

1036
01:01:26,900 --> 01:01:30,500
Sacramento has been seven years
since an attack and in Southern

1037
01:01:30,500 --> 01:01:37,800
California is now 5.
In May of 1986 people start to

1038
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:41,200
breathe, a sigh of relief.
And then the police find the

1039
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:44,500
bloody bruised body of Janelle
Cruz and her Irvine home.

1040
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:49,100
She's only 18 years old, they
find a size 9 sneaker print on

1041
01:01:49,100 --> 01:01:54,300
her bed and also outside the
home, there is an instant moment

1042
01:01:54,300 --> 01:01:55,700
of panic.
Is it him?

1043
01:01:55,700 --> 01:01:58,300
Is he back again?
Are we about to go on another

1044
01:01:58,300 --> 01:02:00,400
multi year Journey with this
guy?

1045
01:02:01,300 --> 01:02:04,100
Janelle's house.
However, is in the perfect area

1046
01:02:04,100 --> 01:02:07,200
at the end of a cul-de-sac and
there's a pedestrian access

1047
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:11,400
point that has a huge hedge and
there's a park that leads there.

1048
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:15,500
So it's very plausible that her
attacker could have parked way

1049
01:02:15,500 --> 01:02:18,900
near the park entrance and just
walk through there and hit near

1050
01:02:18,900 --> 01:02:22,600
the Hedge and watched the arch
County district attorney.

1051
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,200
Eric Hutch craft makes a
statement and it's like, listen,

1052
01:02:25,500 --> 01:02:28,100
we know, he's a peeper, we know
he's a Prowler and he likes to

1053
01:02:28,100 --> 01:02:31,000
watch people and we know that he
was alone.

1054
01:02:31,900 --> 01:02:33,900
They inform the public.
That this was again.

1055
01:02:33,900 --> 01:02:36,700
Another Murder By the original
Night Stalker.

1056
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,000
Which they have to call the
original Night Stalker because

1057
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,800
Richard Ramirez is also active
in the city now, but in ela and

1058
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:47,700
the suburbs of the leg.
The task forces aren't really

1059
01:02:47,700 --> 01:02:51,400
reinstated but they do compare
old evidence to this.

1060
01:02:51,900 --> 01:02:54,800
The new set of police are kind
of reinvigorated and they want

1061
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,600
to continue the hunt,
investigators near Orange

1062
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:00,100
County, reach out to other
counties with their information

1063
01:03:00,100 --> 01:03:02,500
are like, can we go through your
old cold cases?

1064
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:08,500
And they're like, I mean sure
this takes years, but when they

1065
01:03:08,500 --> 01:03:12,200
stumble upon the details of the
East area, rapist, a lot of

1066
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:13,900
people are convinced.
It's the same guy.

1067
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,500
Yeah, Moe is identical.
How he The victims.

1068
01:03:16,500 --> 01:03:20,000
He calls to make sure they're
home, how he ties them up, it's

1069
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,600
not perfect by any means, but
it's enough to make people want

1070
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:26,500
to keep digging.
When DNA finally becomes more

1071
01:03:26,500 --> 01:03:29,300
standardized in the late 90s,
investigators in Orange County

1072
01:03:29,300 --> 01:03:32,400
takes samples, from Manuela
Whitten the harringtons and

1073
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,700
Janelle Cruz and test them
against each other.

1074
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:40,400
It's a match in the next year,
Ventura County PD and Santa

1075
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:45,900
Barbara PD, do the same with
their cases and they decide to

1076
01:03:45,900 --> 01:03:49,300
submit that information to the
FBI.

1077
01:03:49,300 --> 01:03:53,400
Newly created, combined, DNA
index, or CODIS.

1078
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:58,000
What you've probably heard about
on TV shows through this.

1079
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,900
They think six homicides, the
original Night Stalker, they

1080
01:04:01,900 --> 01:04:05,200
know it's all one guy but they
don't know who the guy is.

1081
01:04:05,900 --> 01:04:08,800
Now, the next break in this case
comes in 2001.

1082
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,000
When investigators are Northern
California working, the East

1083
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,300
area, rapist case, decide to
test a theory and they submit

1084
01:04:16,300 --> 01:04:19,300
the DNA that they got from the
rape scenes to Southern

1085
01:04:19,300 --> 01:04:24,400
California.
Police 60 matches even more than

1086
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:29,500
they were originally aware of On
April 5th. 2001.

1087
01:04:29,500 --> 01:04:34,400
The Sacramento Bee runs a story
about EA are ons East area.

1088
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:39,300
Rapist, original Night Stalker
and it's huge about the police,

1089
01:04:39,300 --> 01:04:42,300
making the connection.
Now, the police are as excited

1090
01:04:42,300 --> 01:04:45,000
about the process though,
because DNA hasn't made its way

1091
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,100
all the way through the prison
system yet, and there's this

1092
01:04:47,100 --> 01:04:49,600
debate about the ethics of
taking prisoners DNA.

1093
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,700
When they get pulled in the
state of California is like

1094
01:04:52,700 --> 01:04:56,700
listen will give, you will give
you this will submit people on

1095
01:04:56,700 --> 01:04:59,000
Death Rows, deep.
But we're not going to submit

1096
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,000
every single person who comes
through.

1097
01:05:02,500 --> 01:05:06,300
You know, local and and state
prison system.

1098
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:09,800
Orange County.
Sheriff investigator Larry pool

1099
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:12,800
gets quoted in the paper saying
we think he's probably in prison

1100
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:14,700
somewhere, which you know, who
knows?

1101
01:05:14,700 --> 01:05:16,900
He could be getting out tomorrow
next week.

1102
01:05:16,900 --> 01:05:23,500
Next year they're very bitter.
The following day, Joseph calls

1103
01:05:23,500 --> 01:05:26,700
a previous victim.
And says, remember, when we

1104
01:05:26,700 --> 01:05:32,200
played, it's his final call, but
now the police know for sure

1105
01:05:32,300 --> 01:05:37,700
he's not in prison, so they know
they have to keep looking We

1106
01:05:37,700 --> 01:05:39,900
insert crime writer Michelle
McNamara.

1107
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,300
Now she launched a true crime
website called True Crime.

1108
01:05:43,300 --> 01:05:47,000
Diary in 2006 detailing, a
long-standing fascination with

1109
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:48,800
True Crime because she was near
a case.

1110
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:52,000
When she was a child, she built
a career for herself and in

1111
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,000
2013, she starts writing
articles for different La

1112
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:59,200
magazines.
Between 2006 and 2013.

1113
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:03,200
Michelle has been interviewing
people victims from the East are

1114
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:07,900
rapists, original Night Stalker.
She is making connections and

1115
01:06:07,900 --> 01:06:12,800
the police departments.
In the article, she details

1116
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:15,100
information.
The public never knew about

1117
01:06:15,100 --> 01:06:18,800
conversations with the police,
letting the public know that

1118
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:22,300
they're still investigating.
She learns things that they

1119
01:06:22,300 --> 01:06:25,500
hadn't released as evidence.
And in the article, she calls

1120
01:06:25,500 --> 01:06:30,000
him, the Golden State killer
saying that they need one name

1121
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,300
specifically something more
memorable.

1122
01:06:34,300 --> 01:06:38,600
The entire world is now invested
in this case, after Michelle

1123
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:43,200
releases this massive article,
Paul holes the investigator for

1124
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:47,600
Contra Costa said that Michelle
was very persistent, but it

1125
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:52,900
seems like she was trustworthy.
And she, she was genuine and so

1126
01:06:52,900 --> 01:06:55,700
she, they shared very sensitive
information with her about the

1127
01:06:55,700 --> 01:06:59,500
Golden State killer.
A few months later, she signs a

1128
01:06:59,500 --> 01:07:01,800
book deal with harpercollins to
write a book.

1129
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:05,900
Based in her research, her book,
I'll be gone in the dark one.

1130
01:07:05,900 --> 01:07:08,700
Woman's obsessive search for the
Golden State, killer was

1131
01:07:08,700 --> 01:07:12,500
two-thirds of the way down when
she died on April 21st 2016.

1132
01:07:13,300 --> 01:07:16,700
She died from a drug overdose
her True Crime, friends, Paul

1133
01:07:16,700 --> 01:07:19,000
Haynes.
Billy Jensen and her widower

1134
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,600
Patton, Oswalt would go on to
finish the book.

1135
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:25,700
Two years later, it was released
two months before Joseph James

1136
01:07:25,700 --> 01:07:28,400
D'Angelo was caught.
It was actually On the New York

1137
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:33,000
Times bestseller list.
When he gets arrest I used that

1138
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:36,000
book as one of my sources for
this week's podcast in a strange

1139
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,300
weirdness.
I didn't know that Patton Oswalt

1140
01:07:38,300 --> 01:07:40,600
and Michelle were married until
after she died but I knew she

1141
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:43,400
was as far as being a writer and
a true crime writer.

1142
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:49,000
I wanted it's weird like it's
weird my head because my mom

1143
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:52,300
died four months before,
Michelle, did and Patton Oswalt,

1144
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:56,800
I came across like him talking
about his grief publicly, and in

1145
01:07:56,808 --> 01:08:00,100
his comedy, and it just kind of
it, hit me real hard because I

1146
01:08:00,100 --> 01:08:04,700
was only four months deep and
Still very, very hurt.

1147
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:09,500
Yeah.
I read a lot and watched a lot

1148
01:08:09,500 --> 01:08:11,400
of what he had to say.
And I honestly I wanted to quote

1149
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:16,300
some of the things that he said
here, but grief is a bitch and I

1150
01:08:16,300 --> 01:08:23,200
can't sew but Michelle McNamara
had a major impact.

1151
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:26,899
On this case, she brought it out
of the shadows and back into the

1152
01:08:26,899 --> 01:08:29,600
spotlight.
People don't like to give True

1153
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:32,800
Crime content creators, the
credit, but the impact of those

1154
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:36,899
articles that came out in 2013,
helped with the funding that was

1155
01:08:36,899 --> 01:08:38,600
necessary for what was about to
happen.

1156
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:42,300
With this case, Michelle made
those victims and the survivors

1157
01:08:42,300 --> 01:08:45,300
real to people.
And when people start to care

1158
01:08:45,500 --> 01:08:51,500
wallet, start to open And that's
the you know the FBI gets

1159
01:08:51,500 --> 01:08:53,700
involved.
They release new composite

1160
01:08:53,700 --> 01:08:57,399
sketches with this information
as they talked to Old victims

1161
01:08:57,399 --> 01:09:02,100
again.
They put out a new tip line.

1162
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,300
There's a 50 thousand dollar
reward.

1163
01:09:05,500 --> 01:09:07,300
And we have to roll back just a
little bit.

1164
01:09:07,399 --> 01:09:10,800
The mid 2010's bring the concept
of familial DNA to the Forefront

1165
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:14,600
of investigators mind.
It's been used in other states

1166
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:17,100
to successfully capture people
and they want to use it.

1167
01:09:17,100 --> 01:09:20,899
Here, we got big sites, like
23andMe and ancestry.com,

1168
01:09:21,100 --> 01:09:25,500
they've exploded and Americans
are obsessed with being able to

1169
01:09:25,500 --> 01:09:28,399
find their their, their proper
blood line.

1170
01:09:28,399 --> 01:09:31,899
Because so much of our country
is X race at this point.

1171
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,600
And it's groundbreaking because
what used to cost Is upon

1172
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:39,100
hundreds of dollars and hundreds
of hours of time.

1173
01:09:39,399 --> 01:09:43,500
Now, it's just $129.
You can find out what's in your

1174
01:09:43,500 --> 01:09:50,000
blood Well, the police contact,
a smaller website, called GED

1175
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,700
match.
And they asked for access to

1176
01:09:52,700 --> 01:09:58,200
their database and GD, match
tells their users From this day

1177
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:04,800
forward, this database is going
to be public to certain

1178
01:10:05,100 --> 01:10:08,200
organizations.
And that you have a certain

1179
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:11,900
amount of time before you can
remove your DNA if you want to.

1180
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:17,700
The police use one of as they
called it, the abandoned DNA

1181
01:10:17,700 --> 01:10:21,200
samples from one of the
rape-murders and the website

1182
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:25,300
gives them roughly 10 to 20,
people all connected through a

1183
01:10:25,300 --> 01:10:28,100
set of
great-great-great-grandparents

1184
01:10:28,100 --> 01:10:33,200
like back to like the 1700s and
those match the 10 murders in

1185
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:36,400
California.
So the DA's office is like, do

1186
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:41,200
it again.
They get the same results, there

1187
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:44,800
is this moment of pure joy for
the offer sister who have now

1188
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:48,200
been working on this case for
decades but it's still not

1189
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:52,200
enough.
They have to begin creating a

1190
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:56,500
family tree, and then
potentially testing people they

1191
01:10:56,500 --> 01:10:59,300
linked to it, or eliminating
them, in some form.

1192
01:10:59,500 --> 01:11:02,000
This process takes months of
tracking down.

1193
01:11:03,300 --> 01:11:05,800
We're looking through
newspapers, birth records, death

1194
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:07,900
records obituaries engagement,
announcements wedding

1195
01:11:07,900 --> 01:11:11,300
announcements to try and build
this family tree.

1196
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:15,100
And from that point on, they now
have to connect where all these

1197
01:11:15,100 --> 01:11:19,200
people were living.
While the attacks were active in

1198
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:21,200
California, and there's two of
them.

1199
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,900
One of the folks is contacted in
eliminated by a DNA test.

1200
01:11:25,900 --> 01:11:30,200
Leaving one man, Joseph James
DeAngelo.

1201
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:41,400
Now 17 years old, he is a seven
The police began stocking, Joe's

1202
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:45,300
house and also him, they just
are following him.

1203
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:48,800
And when he's inside of a Hobby
Lobby, they take a DNA swab of

1204
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,400
his door handle and they also
take some of the trash from

1205
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:53,900
outside of his house.
At this point, Sharon is no

1206
01:11:53,900 --> 01:11:56,500
longer living there.
The people living at the house

1207
01:11:56,500 --> 01:12:00,400
are Joseph.
His eldest daughter Misha and

1208
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:07,100
her daughter who was 19.
So there's DNA markers to

1209
01:12:07,100 --> 01:12:09,800
determine if someone is female
or male.

1210
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:12,500
So the, the of the DNA they
didn't need as quickly,

1211
01:12:12,500 --> 01:12:15,500
eliminated the police, don't
forgive him right away though,

1212
01:12:16,500 --> 01:12:19,700
they wait a couple months as
they build the case against him

1213
01:12:20,100 --> 01:12:23,800
and on April 24th. 2018, the
Sacramento Sheriff's office,

1214
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:29,500
arrest 72 years old, Jace,
Joseph James DeAngelo at his

1215
01:12:29,500 --> 01:12:32,200
home in Citrus.
Heights, the community is

1216
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:35,200
surprised to know that their
friend and neighbor is a serial

1217
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:38,500
killer There was one guy, I was
really funny.

1218
01:12:38,500 --> 01:12:40,900
He was just like I just learned
about this case and was looking

1219
01:12:40,900 --> 01:12:43,200
into it.
The guy live five blocks away

1220
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:47,800
from me They charged him with
eight counts of first-degree

1221
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:49,600
murder with special
circumstances.

1222
01:12:49,900 --> 01:12:52,000
And then three weeks later on
May 10th the Santa Barbara

1223
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,500
County District, Attorney's,
Office charges him, but the

1224
01:12:54,500 --> 01:12:56,700
additional four counts of
first-degree murder.

1225
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,800
They cannot charge him with any
of the rapes or burglaries

1226
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:04,400
because the statute of
limitations expired before.

1227
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,900
California determined that there
would be no statute of

1228
01:13:07,900 --> 01:13:11,100
limitations on rape that
happened in 2016.

1229
01:13:11,900 --> 01:13:15,400
So, because these cases and the
mean, it ended literally,

1230
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:21,400
Decades before that was passed
in the state, they cannot add

1231
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:24,700
them Joseph's.
Lawyer immediately tries to get

1232
01:13:24,700 --> 01:13:28,600
the, the DNA situation with GD,
match thrown out there.

1233
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:30,900
Like, listen, this company
didn't disclose that.

1234
01:13:30,900 --> 01:13:34,300
Private consumer data will be
used in an investigation except

1235
01:13:34,300 --> 01:13:39,400
they totally did.
And so they're like, nothing's

1236
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:42,400
getting thrown out.
Bring bring bring your boy on

1237
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:46,700
and we need to talk to him.
Joseph's interrogation is

1238
01:13:46,700 --> 01:13:50,100
cleared.
Yaks confused.

1239
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:53,400
He keeps bringing up.
Somebody named Jerry saying

1240
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:55,800
things like I didn't have the
strength to push him out.

1241
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:59,000
He made me, he went with me.
It was like, in my head, I mean,

1242
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,000
he's a part of me.
I didn't want to do those

1243
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,000
things.
I push Jerry out and had a happy

1244
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:06,300
life but I did all those things.
I destroyed their lives.

1245
01:14:06,500 --> 01:14:10,800
So now I've got to pay the price
The police aren't buying this

1246
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:14,000
though and Bonnie clicks for
them.

1247
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:17,300
When they find his wedding
announcement, the body that he

1248
01:14:17,300 --> 01:14:21,700
talked about at the 37th rate
and then they talked to Jim

1249
01:14:21,700 --> 01:14:25,900
huddle, his brother-in-law and
Jim huddle, tells the police

1250
01:14:25,900 --> 01:14:29,900
that Joe talked to him about how
Bonnie was his one true love.

1251
01:14:31,900 --> 01:14:34,800
That's before he married his
sister Shannon Sharon.

1252
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:41,700
So D'Angelo gets arraigned
Sacramento, August 23rd, 2018 on

1253
01:14:41,700 --> 01:14:45,000
an April 10th, 2019, Court
proceeding, prosecutors

1254
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:48,100
announced they intend to seek
the death penalty judge rules

1255
01:14:48,100 --> 01:14:50,300
that cameras will be allowed
inside the courtroom during the

1256
01:14:50,300 --> 01:14:58,400
here during the trials.
On March 4th, 2020 D'Angelo

1257
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:01,500
offers to plead guilty if the
death penalty is taken off the

1258
01:15:01,500 --> 01:15:06,200
table, The Da Box.
Absolutely not no way.

1259
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:13,400
But the prior November, they
prosecutors from different

1260
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:17,400
counties, six of them to be
exact sat down and what this is

1261
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:20,500
going to cost the taxpayers 20
million dollars and probably

1262
01:15:20,500 --> 01:15:25,500
last 10 years.
So, four months later on, June

1263
01:15:25,500 --> 01:15:32,100
29th, the prosecutors amend
their original statement and

1264
01:15:32,100 --> 01:15:35,500
they say that they will allow
DeAngelo to plead guilty to 13

1265
01:15:35,500 --> 01:15:39,100
counts of first degree murder,
under special circumstances,

1266
01:15:39,300 --> 01:15:42,000
including murder committed
during burglaries and rapes as

1267
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:45,300
well as 13 counts of kidnapping
in exchange for removing the

1268
01:15:45,300 --> 01:15:51,000
death penalty.
August 21st, 2020, 44 years,

1269
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:52,900
after he raped his first known
victim.

1270
01:15:53,300 --> 01:15:55,100
He will be sentenced for his
crimes.

1271
01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:58,800
Because it is the middle of
covid.

1272
01:16:01,900 --> 01:16:03,800
It's not wild it's only happened
two years ago.

1273
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:07,000
Oh my God.
It's still throws me for a loop

1274
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:10,000
that it took so long.
The like I remember watching it.

1275
01:16:10,100 --> 01:16:16,100
But so what San Francisco does
is that like, listen, stop

1276
01:16:16,100 --> 01:16:19,300
Sacramento, not feel like people
deserve, like the people who are

1277
01:16:19,300 --> 01:16:22,000
affected by this, and the
community affected, by this

1278
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:26,100
deserve, to be allowed to see
this sentencing.

1279
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:30,900
And because of the, you know,
six feet requirements in That

1280
01:16:30,900 --> 01:16:34,500
were public at the time.
They actually hold.

1281
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:42,200
This sentencing hearing at a
makeshift courtroom at

1282
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:46,600
Sacramento University and they
also utilize a nearby Ballroom

1283
01:16:46,700 --> 01:16:51,400
for the Overflow gallery.
Joseph shows up for his

1284
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:56,700
sentencing in a wheelchair
looking, frail and pathetic.

1285
01:16:59,900 --> 01:17:02,200
But the prosecution was ready
for that.

1286
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:10,400
And in fact had given the have a
judge videos of mr.

1287
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:13,400
Di Angelo and his cell prior to
his sentencing.

1288
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:16,900
In those videos he is not a
frail little man.

1289
01:17:17,100 --> 01:17:23,800
He is jumping around his cell
exercise in doing pull-ups

1290
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:27,600
climbing on his bed and in a
real creepy way, he's putting

1291
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:29,500
like his blankets over the
lights.

1292
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:32,400
Which is something that he would
sometimes do with the rape

1293
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:34,800
victims.
So, even in prison, he's trying

1294
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,100
to relive memories never die.
I guess.

1295
01:17:39,900 --> 01:17:43,300
So judge Michael Bowman decides
to sit D'Angelo and the defense

1296
01:17:43,300 --> 01:17:45,800
team.
Those are attorneys Joseph Crest

1297
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:50,200
Alice, Michael and Diane Howard
facing him instead of the rest

1298
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:54,400
of the crowd.
He wants to talk directly to Joe

1299
01:17:54,800 --> 01:18:00,900
as the prosecutors painstakingly
goes through every single crime.

1300
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:04,800
For the people watching both in
the courtroom and at home, this

1301
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:08,000
is shocking.
And then they move into the

1302
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:11,600
impact statements, which take
three days?

1303
01:18:13,700 --> 01:18:15,300
I'm gonna give you a couple of
them.

1304
01:18:16,300 --> 01:18:23,500
Gay Hardwick was victim, 39, and
she talked about how he attacked

1305
01:18:23,700 --> 01:18:26,600
them while they were sleeping.
She said, he kidnapped me from

1306
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:29,800
my bed.
Brittany repeatedly, sodomize me

1307
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:33,200
forced oral copulation.
Try, imagine me with threats of

1308
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:36,100
death for me, and my loved ones.
Should I make a sound or resist

1309
01:18:36,100 --> 01:18:38,600
in any way?
The aftermath of this attack has

1310
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:44,500
been with me for 42 years, Ken
Smith, the brother of victims,

1311
01:18:44,500 --> 01:18:49,100
Katie and Brian.
As you're told Joe, you're not

1312
01:18:49,100 --> 01:18:51,500
important.
We'll remember, Katie and Bryan

1313
01:18:51,500 --> 01:18:54,200
for the rest of our lives, but
after your sentence, you'll be a

1314
01:18:54,208 --> 01:18:59,100
nobody It's a bit hop.
The daughter of Claude Snelling.

1315
01:19:00,500 --> 01:19:03,500
Also spoke that day and she said
for many years I felt guilt for

1316
01:19:03,500 --> 01:19:06,000
what happened that night.
I felt maybe there was something

1317
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:09,200
I could have done or said to
warn my dad to stay there and

1318
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:11,300
not come out.
It wasn't until I became a

1319
01:19:11,308 --> 01:19:13,400
parent myself.
I realized there was nothing I

1320
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:15,300
could have done to keep my dad
from China Sea.

1321
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,600
My dad died, saving my life that
night and he was my hero.

1322
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:24,100
Let s and angers me the most is
D'Angelo was able to live a

1323
01:19:24,108 --> 01:19:27,500
normal life with his family for
all those years while my family

1324
01:19:27,500 --> 01:19:31,700
could not be with my dad, Debbie
Domingo, McCullen.

1325
01:19:31,700 --> 01:19:33,700
The daughter of Sherry Domingo
spoke.

1326
01:19:35,300 --> 01:19:37,600
She said, Wendy Angelo stole, my
mom for me.

1327
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:40,400
He didn't just take away a
person from my daily routine.

1328
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:42,500
He stole my vision of the
future.

1329
01:19:42,900 --> 01:19:46,400
He took away my desire and my
passion to look ahead set goals.

1330
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:50,100
Strive for Success.
He left me, empty today, the

1331
01:19:50,100 --> 01:19:52,900
devil losses and Justice wins
today.

1332
01:19:52,900 --> 01:19:55,600
I am the Victor in a battle of
Good and Evil.

1333
01:19:57,300 --> 01:20:02,100
Bonnie wasn't allowed to talk,
but she was there and Bonnie and

1334
01:20:02,100 --> 01:20:04,200
Jane Carson became buddies over
time.

1335
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:11,300
And when Jane Carson made her
statement, she Referenced Bonnie

1336
01:20:11,500 --> 01:20:15,700
and what Bonnie will through
which and kind of a moment of

1337
01:20:15,700 --> 01:20:20,700
solidarity.
Finally, after three days of all

1338
01:20:20,700 --> 01:20:25,400
these people talking.
Joseph gets up from his

1339
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:28,000
wheelchair.
Takes off his covid mandated

1340
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:31,900
mask and he addresses the court.
He's like I listen to all your

1341
01:20:31,900 --> 01:20:33,500
statements.
Each one of them.

1342
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:36,100
I'm truly sorry for everyone.
I'm hurt.

1343
01:20:37,700 --> 01:20:42,900
And 16 and he receives 12 life
sentences plus eight years it

1344
01:20:42,900 --> 01:20:44,900
will never be enough for what
he's done.

1345
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:49,200
As of today, he is incarcerated
in protective custody at

1346
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:51,100
California, State, Prison
Corcoran.

1347
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:56,100
His family does not wish to be
contacted in any way and they

1348
01:20:56,100 --> 01:20:57,600
went virtually nothing to do
with him.

1349
01:20:58,500 --> 01:21:03,700
Sharon made one public statement
after she divorced him and 2018

1350
01:21:04,500 --> 01:21:06,500
and she said, the defendants
criminal actions have had a

1351
01:21:06,508 --> 01:21:09,500
devastating and pervasive effect
on my life and my family.

1352
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:12,800
I will never be the same person
and now, live every day with the

1353
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:15,300
knowledge of how he attacked and
damaged hundreds of innocent

1354
01:21:15,300 --> 01:21:18,100
lives and murdered 13.
Innocent people who were loved

1355
01:21:18,300 --> 01:21:20,300
and now have been missed for 40
years or more.

1356
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:23,000
I live every day with
post-traumatic distress where I

1357
01:21:23,008 --> 01:21:25,800
know Unexpected noise, or
movement can be perceived by my

1358
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:28,900
mind as a threat to me.
Simple everyday experiences,

1359
01:21:28,900 --> 01:21:32,700
such as a car moving from one
lane to another bring fear once

1360
01:21:32,700 --> 01:21:34,900
while shopping at Trader.
Joe's grocery store a hand

1361
01:21:34,900 --> 01:21:36,600
touched my forearm.
While I was looking into a

1362
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:40,100
freezer, my heart began to race
in my body jolted.

1363
01:21:40,500 --> 01:21:42,700
I was terrified that I was about
to be harmed.

1364
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:45,400
When in reality it was someone I
knew who just wanted to say

1365
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:48,100
hello.
I've lost my ability to trust

1366
01:21:48,100 --> 01:21:50,700
people.
I trusted the defendant when he

1367
01:21:50,700 --> 01:21:53,800
told me he had to work her.
He was going for isn't hunting

1368
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:56,200
are going to visit his parents,
hundreds of miles away.

1369
01:21:57,100 --> 01:21:59,700
I worked graveyard shifts at
Jack In The Box, fast-food

1370
01:21:59,700 --> 01:22:03,700
restaurant and at Placer County.
Juvenile Hall at times, I

1371
01:22:03,708 --> 01:22:06,500
studied late into the night and
at law school when I was not

1372
01:22:06,500 --> 01:22:09,100
around, I trusted, he was doing
what he told me he was doing

1373
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:11,800
now, without that ability to
trust my relationships.

1374
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:14,300
With other people have been
severely impacted.

1375
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:17,100
I wish that nothing I say here.
Will detract from any other

1376
01:22:17,100 --> 01:22:21,500
person's impact statement.
You said Bonnie does want to be

1377
01:22:21,500 --> 01:22:24,400
contacted his kids A few
interviews and his eldest

1378
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:26,400
daughter did make an impact
statement as well.

1379
01:22:27,700 --> 01:22:31,900
Mainly she just was shocked.
She was just like, this is what?

1380
01:22:31,900 --> 01:22:33,900
He's a good guy.
He's my dad, he's a nice guy.

1381
01:22:34,700 --> 01:22:36,500
He was a good guy.
He raised my daughter.

1382
01:22:36,500 --> 01:22:39,100
He's a good guy.
Like she is just completely out

1383
01:22:39,100 --> 01:22:42,400
of like shocked.
Like there was nothing that like

1384
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:45,100
me should consider.
Like there's some cognitive

1385
01:22:45,100 --> 01:22:47,500
dissonance happening there,
because they have DNA evidence,

1386
01:22:47,500 --> 01:22:51,300
there's no qualms and your dad
admitted it, you know?

1387
01:22:51,300 --> 01:22:53,000
So I think she can really do
about that.

1388
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:58,300
And a few of his victims like
Jane Carson or crisper Jetty.

1389
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:02,000
Chris was the 15 year old wrote
their own books.

1390
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:07,400
Describing their path to healing
and those will be listed in the

1391
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:10,700
notes because those are also
books that I read and I feel

1392
01:23:10,700 --> 01:23:13,400
like if anybody should make some
money off of a True Crime Story,

1393
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:16,500
it's one of the victims.
They should they should get a

1394
01:23:16,508 --> 01:23:19,400
cut of.
Yeah, what happened here?

1395
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:24,600
But uh, I really don't feel like
the police.

1396
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:26,900
Did anything wrong here?
This was one of those cases

1397
01:23:26,900 --> 01:23:29,800
where they ignored the people
for dinner were supposed to do.

1398
01:23:30,300 --> 01:23:33,200
It was just, we didn't have,
they were constantly hunting.

1399
01:23:34,300 --> 01:23:40,600
They were on from They never
gave up goodness.

1400
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:50,600
Yeah, that's a conclusion and he
just looks so smug.

1401
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:54,100
If you look at his face you just
wanna punch him.

1402
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:56,800
His smug face.
Yeah.

1403
01:23:56,800 --> 01:24:02,200
He has a punchable face.
Absolute a truly punch good.

1404
01:24:03,900 --> 01:24:09,800
Yeah, you know, a lot of that.
Like I put in most of our On the

1405
01:24:09,808 --> 01:24:14,700
website, which is so upset.
I put all the sources, you know,

1406
01:24:14,700 --> 01:24:17,500
you want to support these people
who are still being impacted

1407
01:24:17,500 --> 01:24:22,700
because they'd only happened two
years ago that they only caught

1408
01:24:22,700 --> 01:24:25,000
him.
You know why those people?

1409
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:25,800
Yeah.
Yeah.

1410
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,400
They went through hell, they
deserve to get a little money

1411
01:24:31,500 --> 01:24:33,400
somewhere in this horrible
process.

1412
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:41,500
So I got that was a good one.
That was it's nice to have a

1413
01:24:41,500 --> 01:24:43,500
decent.
Yeah, yeah yeah.

1414
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:50,000
So rare I'll give you that.
I'll give you that one.

1415
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:57,600
Okay.
Well, this week.

1416
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:03,100
I was juggling between topics to
talk about, so I was like, I

1417
01:25:03,108 --> 01:25:04,900
want to talk about this, but
that looks like now something I

1418
01:25:04,907 --> 01:25:07,700
was like, who well, this one
seems more interesting.

1419
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:18,800
Okay, so this week, as many of
you may or may not have seen,

1420
01:25:19,900 --> 01:25:22,800
And the recent Jordan Peele
movie.

1421
01:25:23,900 --> 01:25:29,500
Nope, it's really, really good,
really good like just don't

1422
01:25:29,500 --> 01:25:33,500
stare at Clouds so people who
didn't get it, don't understand.

1423
01:25:34,100 --> 01:25:37,000
But the people who get it, get
it if, you know, you know.

1424
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:44,700
Oh hell yeah.
Oh, Listen, I will listen to

1425
01:25:44,700 --> 01:25:49,600
that, was out again.
I love it.

1426
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:52,900
I love it.
So we talking about aliens,

1427
01:25:52,900 --> 01:26:02,000
well, sort of not really hmm.
Okay, what's Wild do is after I

1428
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:04,800
saw that I learned like after I
watched, nope I learned that

1429
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:08,000
they actually have a name.
So we have different things so

1430
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:11,000
like, you know, we see like not
a lot and idle and Light

1431
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:15,100
anomalies in the sky and whatnot
but they actually so now it's

1432
01:26:15,100 --> 01:26:19,600
unidentified.
You ap's, you know, you APS now

1433
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:22,900
but then there's also another
name for you a peas that are

1434
01:26:22,900 --> 01:26:29,900
biological in nature.
I was just like oh how cool?

1435
01:26:29,900 --> 01:26:32,700
You know, identified aerial
phenomena but apparently they

1436
01:26:32,700 --> 01:26:38,700
are aware that some of the you
APS are biological news or what

1437
01:26:38,700 --> 01:26:41,000
we're talking about.
We're talking about today.

1438
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:48,200
Oh no.
Today, the topic is atmospheric

1439
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:55,700
beasts.
Whoa, I know nothing.

1440
01:26:55,700 --> 01:26:58,500
I just learned that these things
even existed like a month and a

1441
01:26:58,500 --> 01:27:02,800
half ago.
All right, so ready for anybody,

1442
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:06,900
who doesn't know atmosphere
beasts are there, basically

1443
01:27:09,900 --> 01:27:14,200
creatures that live in our
atmosphere they may or may not

1444
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:18,400
be from Earth.
Some some speculate they are

1445
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:24,400
like Earth.
Animals, select / things.

1446
01:27:24,700 --> 01:27:28,900
And some, you know, think that
you're just aliens are visiting

1447
01:27:28,900 --> 01:27:33,400
or they got trapped here in our
atmosphere and they live there.

1448
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:43,700
Now, um, So there are many many,
many sightings of these types of

1449
01:27:43,700 --> 01:27:47,800
creatures.
I am adding to pictures into the

1450
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:54,600
chat right now.
I'm gone.

1451
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:56,400
I'm gone.
I want to see why I'm if it

1452
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:59,200
looks like the ones I have.
I have other pictures of those

1453
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:02,200
2.
Okay, okay.

1454
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:04,000
Yeah see.
So I've been watched a lot of

1455
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,700
fright club, which you folks
don't know.

1456
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:10,600
It's a show that they created
during quarantine with Jack

1457
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:13,800
Osbourne because he does Go
stuff and the ghost brothers who

1458
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:16,800
are these three black guys who
also hunt ghosts and they all

1459
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:18,400
sit and they look at clips and
stuff.

1460
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:24,400
And so I feel like about half of
their content is Alien related

1461
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:27,500
and they're very into it.
And so like they've posted all

1462
01:28:27,500 --> 01:28:31,200
sort, they see they should get
all sorts of weird stuff and

1463
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:35,200
it's weird.
It's scary looking.

1464
01:28:37,500 --> 01:28:41,800
So a lot.
None of them look like little.

1465
01:28:42,100 --> 01:28:46,800
So there are some that actually.
So, with the thing, atmospheres

1466
01:28:47,300 --> 01:28:52,100
atmospheric beasts is there like
couple different variations of

1467
01:28:52,100 --> 01:28:55,600
these.
You have your pictures.

1468
01:28:55,600 --> 01:29:01,300
I just sent you there called Sky
serpents and there are other

1469
01:29:01,300 --> 01:29:03,700
ones that are called like
atmospheric jellyfish.

1470
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:10,100
Yeah, I've seen those and look
at the wall that, like, when I

1471
01:29:10,100 --> 01:29:12,700
saw a picture of that, I was
like, you know what, that looks

1472
01:29:12,700 --> 01:29:13,100
like.
Okay.

1473
01:29:13,100 --> 01:29:15,900
So, I'm going off topic right
now.

1474
01:29:15,900 --> 01:29:21,000
I don't care.
So there's a little Pok��mon,

1475
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:24,600
right?
It's it's, it's one of the newer

1476
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:27,000
ones and it's called like an
ultra Beast.

1477
01:29:27,100 --> 01:29:31,700
Okay.
And, and it looks just like an

1478
01:29:31,700 --> 01:29:37,200
atmospheric jellyfish.
Does it come you know, and not

1479
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:42,400
that weird though, right?
Because a lot of Pokemon are big

1480
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:47,500
animals, real animals, and, and
real creatures, some of them are

1481
01:29:47,500 --> 01:29:51,500
based off of lore and mythology.
Like the lady with the hat, you

1482
01:29:51,500 --> 01:29:53,500
had had on the back of her head
thing.

1483
01:29:54,900 --> 01:29:58,100
Yeah, so I mean, the Pokemon
have been getting inspiration

1484
01:29:58,100 --> 01:30:00,300
from the weird and wild of life
for a while.

1485
01:30:00,500 --> 01:30:02,900
Don't ask me where I'm a
chocolate came from.

1486
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:07,500
There's a little guy, the people
are one of the weirdest ones but

1487
01:30:07,500 --> 01:30:10,800
the ones based off of society
are super interesting.

1488
01:30:11,300 --> 01:30:15,000
So the fact that they this
quickly, I feel like this name

1489
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:17,300
atmospheric Beast can have
existed for very long, and they

1490
01:30:17,300 --> 01:30:20,100
already made a Pokemon piece off
of, its kind of hilarious.

1491
01:30:24,100 --> 01:30:27,400
So yeah, those are tight.
The two types and talk about.

1492
01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:30,600
I'm going to add another one in
as well because some people

1493
01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:33,300
think that this is also an
atmosphere of Peace, which is

1494
01:30:33,300 --> 01:30:37,400
actually it's not an atmosphere
of peace is actually just a

1495
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:40,700
trick of the camera and I was
like I'll tell you about that

1496
01:30:40,700 --> 01:30:43,700
one.
No, not bull like that.

1497
01:30:45,300 --> 01:30:48,000
But yeah, I'd like a sphere.
A jellyfish are just like flying

1498
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:52,000
jellyfish.
And I think that's like the type

1499
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:54,000
of creature like, Jordan Peele
put in his movie.

1500
01:30:56,100 --> 01:31:00,000
If yes, the yeah, it does look
like no spoilers.

1501
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,300
Sorry.
Yeah, if me see if I now didn't,

1502
01:31:02,300 --> 01:31:04,100
I don't care.
Sorry, spoilers.

1503
01:31:06,700 --> 01:31:09,000
We're just telling you that the
monster looks kind of like, what

1504
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:09,900
baby.
Yeah.

1505
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:12,800
Ryan talking about.
We won't tell you any of the

1506
01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:20,000
others are so many references.
Okay?

1507
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:29,700
Anyway, so atmospheric jellyfish
are actually also a type of UFO

1508
01:31:29,700 --> 01:31:32,600
as well or it's like, I guess
you say you AP now.

1509
01:31:33,300 --> 01:31:37,900
Yeah, you AP is now but yeah,
they're definitely you APS and,

1510
01:31:37,900 --> 01:31:41,300
you know, they could be a UFO
because very are sometimes.

1511
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:45,400
Taken for UFOs because of the
shape of their bodies.

1512
01:31:47,900 --> 01:31:48,500
Yeah.
Right.

1513
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:52,000
Excellent.
And this has been cited by

1514
01:31:53,300 --> 01:31:58,500
Hundreds of different people
from all across the world.

1515
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:02,900
Yet meteorology meeting you
meteorology.

1516
01:32:03,100 --> 01:32:07,800
God, I cannot say that word.
Meaner meteor knowledge achill,

1517
01:32:08,500 --> 01:32:13,300
scientist.
And like, you got military

1518
01:32:13,300 --> 01:32:16,500
people seeing it, especially
that people in Navy, whenever

1519
01:32:16,500 --> 01:32:21,400
they're out.
Well yeah, I mean the defense

1520
01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:25,100
release details of thumb but
yeah.

1521
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:30,000
See So this is like the
sightings have been going on

1522
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:34,000
since like the mid-twentieth
century and they even like I

1523
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:39,700
said cited, like hundreds of
times it's a it's I guess.

1524
01:32:39,700 --> 01:32:45,300
This is a it is a newer UFO.
UAP, citing thing you I'm going

1525
01:32:45,300 --> 01:32:47,400
to say you keep saying UFO
because you know, it's UFO.

1526
01:32:50,500 --> 01:32:54,800
Grew up on UFOs.
And it like it's a new one that

1527
01:32:54,900 --> 01:32:58,400
is starting to be like research
and stuff like that and a lot of

1528
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:03,200
people are not more people were
talking about it now and there

1529
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:07,600
are a ton of different sightings
of the Giants of this flying

1530
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:09,800
jellyfish.
Like there's a Norwegian

1531
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:18,800
sighting and it was sighted in
Norway by / Arn.

1532
01:33:18,900 --> 01:33:23,700
And I come sorry anyway / Arne
right?

1533
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:27,700
And it's a leading the leading
scientists theorize that it may

1534
01:33:27,700 --> 01:33:32,900
have been caused by light from
the Aurora being bounced off of

1535
01:33:32,900 --> 01:33:37,200
a space satellite.
But there's not, there's no

1536
01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:42,900
picture of it, but I see it all
the other pictures and just like

1537
01:33:42,900 --> 01:33:50,800
there's no way because there's
this one if I can share it like

1538
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:55,200
that.
There's one called a of Flying

1539
01:33:56,200 --> 01:34:02,100
Flying Dutch flying jellyfish.
And this was the spot in the

1540
01:34:02,100 --> 01:34:07,000
Netherlands and a man named
Harry person is one of the

1541
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:11,900
checked it out and he like I
guess it was after a storm and

1542
01:34:11,900 --> 01:34:14,200
he went to take pictures for his
blog, right?

1543
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:17,700
And you know he's you know, this
guy is, it looks so beautiful

1544
01:34:17,700 --> 01:34:24,700
there and then if In this,
that's real.

1545
01:34:26,700 --> 01:34:29,400
No, no.
It looks like it's like fake

1546
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:31,600
ones.
You like to shoot.

1547
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:33,000
Ya.
Like a shooting off and stuff

1548
01:34:33,500 --> 01:34:37,800
rocket.
Yes, streaming through the sky.

1549
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:41,400
Yeah, I was sure that that was
like, one of the Photoshop ones

1550
01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:45,300
because people love like,
photoshopping, like Animals Sky

1551
01:34:45,300 --> 01:34:50,500
and all sorts of things I did.
I am one of those people that

1552
01:34:50,500 --> 01:34:53,800
like if you can see not all your
full pictures, I'm going to

1553
01:34:53,808 --> 01:34:55,600
believe are real but like
something like this.

1554
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:57,400
It's like yeah.
It's kind of hard to fake.

1555
01:34:57,400 --> 01:35:01,100
I mean that really you got
Photoshop now but older

1556
01:35:01,100 --> 01:35:03,500
pictures.
Yeah.

1557
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:08,600
Yeah, it's interesting though.
It's an interesting.

1558
01:35:08,900 --> 01:35:11,200
It looks like a jellyfish.
No tentacles.

1559
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:13,800
It really does like bottom of
it.

1560
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:24,900
There's another one.
From China and it was spotted by

1561
01:35:24,900 --> 01:35:26,600
it.
You know, Chinese Air Force and

1562
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:32,400
Chinese Air Force, pilot and
140, ground troops or ground

1563
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:36,600
officials.
And this happened Monday,

1564
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:42,900
October 19th to the 1998.
And there's no picture of it,

1565
01:35:42,900 --> 01:35:45,800
but there's like an artist
rendition of it, of course, the

1566
01:35:45,900 --> 01:35:49,000
airplane, flight airplane,
flying in the sky and then off

1567
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:54,100
in the distance, you see this,
okay green shape looking thing

1568
01:35:54,100 --> 01:35:59,000
that's moving around like, you
know, flying jellyfish.

1569
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:05,800
It's just, it's just weird.
But yet.

1570
01:36:09,700 --> 01:36:12,500
I saw a video of one of those
like serpent things, but it was,

1571
01:36:12,500 --> 01:36:15,400
like, okay, well, I'm gonna
ground.

1572
01:36:16,300 --> 01:36:20,000
It was in which, for me because
I took like, when I was younger

1573
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:23,600
and like, I say younger, but I'm
talking about, like, my early

1574
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:33,700
twenties of You know, I like
taking pictures of the sky and

1575
01:36:33,700 --> 01:36:38,700
stuff and and I have this one
picture, it's on my Facebook

1576
01:36:38,700 --> 01:36:42,700
that I took a picture this guy
and you just the way the clouds

1577
01:36:42,700 --> 01:36:48,200
were just it look like waves in
the sky and I mean like the wind

1578
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:51,600
blew it some type of way and
just like it was just a roll of

1579
01:36:51,600 --> 01:37:00,100
waves going across honestly.
Yes, well, okay, I got one for

1580
01:37:00,100 --> 01:37:03,000
you, ready for this?
Think about what an old Flying

1581
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:07,900
Saucer looks like.
I have a picture.

1582
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:16,300
That I took in Virginia.
Standing on one of the but you

1583
01:37:16,300 --> 01:37:19,500
know that long bridge that takes
you to Virginia Beach.

1584
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:25,800
My family unwisely allowed me to
take all the photos and so there

1585
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:29,800
are just photos that I took of
the sky looking out at the

1586
01:37:29,800 --> 01:37:31,600
water.
So many of them.

1587
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:36,100
My mom was like, when I got
these back right knee, but in

1588
01:37:36,100 --> 01:37:38,800
one of these pictures that I
took, while I was standing on,

1589
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:42,200
like the bridge because there's
a section of goes underwater

1590
01:37:42,200 --> 01:37:43,700
above, Water.
And then there's a good gift

1591
01:37:43,700 --> 01:37:45,400
shop where up there at the gift
shop area.

1592
01:37:46,100 --> 01:37:48,700
It looks like an honest, there's
like an outline of a like an

1593
01:37:49,100 --> 01:37:51,400
old-timey, Flying Saucer so
much.

1594
01:37:51,400 --> 01:37:54,600
I it looks so much like the old
picture like the old like movie

1595
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:55,900
things.
That I was sure that like,

1596
01:37:55,900 --> 01:37:58,400
somebody messed with the picture
because this was filmed, that's

1597
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:00,200
true.
But the thing is film, can be

1598
01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:06,600
tweaked that picture.
I just So do that picture, you

1599
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:08,100
have a school, I'll have to find
mine.

1600
01:38:08,100 --> 01:38:11,000
I remember where it is, and
might be in a photo album

1601
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:16,800
somewhere in my apartment, but,
and I was just like, that's a

1602
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:19,000
flying saucer and I never
thought anything of it.

1603
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:21,700
Again, I just kind of was like,
that's weird.

1604
01:38:21,700 --> 01:38:25,100
And my mom was like here, all
these pictures of the ocean that

1605
01:38:25,100 --> 01:38:27,100
you took and like, plop them on
me.

1606
01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:31,400
Like it's just the ocean and I'm
like, I thought it was a pretty

1607
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:38,900
Figured myself as a.
Oh my God, tiger fur.

1608
01:38:39,300 --> 01:38:44,700
So I took even like sunsets or
nothing.

1609
01:38:44,700 --> 01:38:47,300
It's just plain old.
I love it.

1610
01:38:50,100 --> 01:38:52,900
Oh my God.
You don't let you ten-year-old

1611
01:38:53,100 --> 01:39:03,100
be the cameraman.
But yeah, I that I saw as

1612
01:39:03,100 --> 01:39:04,500
awesome as also.
I love it.

1613
01:39:04,500 --> 01:39:09,000
I love it, but it's cool.
So as the other type of

1614
01:39:10,100 --> 01:39:14,700
atmospheres atmospheric a beast,
I was speaking it on.

1615
01:39:14,700 --> 01:39:17,000
Was this guy serpent?
Which my picture kind of looks

1616
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:23,000
like it's the back of a serpent.
Yeah, yeah.

1617
01:39:23,500 --> 01:39:29,500
And they're basically flying
snakes in the sky or maybe even

1618
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:36,100
dragons that that just you know
they float or they fly in the

1619
01:39:36,100 --> 01:39:42,400
air and they You know what
though?

1620
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:48,100
I would feel like.
And I would feel like, what do

1621
01:39:48,100 --> 01:39:55,800
you miss the aliens.
By creating creating an image of

1622
01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:57,700
something that we know to be
fantasy.

1623
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:00,600
I can see that like these people
over here believes all the

1624
01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:08,200
stupid shit a brick, making it
up this way and we're up here

1625
01:40:08,200 --> 01:40:11,200
real.
Yes.

1626
01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:15,300
But there they move like like a
how you know how snake moves

1627
01:40:15,300 --> 01:40:17,500
into water or like a snake moves
on the ground?

1628
01:40:17,500 --> 01:40:20,400
They just you know, undulate
back and forth to fly.

1629
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:24,800
And normally how that's how the
littles the sky snakes or Sky.

1630
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:31,500
Serpents fly or like most Asian
dragons that have the ability to

1631
01:40:31,500 --> 01:40:34,900
fly dates lately, like 3D Lady
Rainicorn, who is Korean?

1632
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:39,300
And she just, you know, flies on
the, the, like waves, whatever.

1633
01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:44,900
Anyway, but yeah, those pictures
I sent you, those are sky

1634
01:40:44,900 --> 01:40:54,400
serpents. and apparently, we
watch the same videos, so,

1635
01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:59,600
Because I said it looks like it.
Like, was it like a parking lot?

1636
01:40:59,900 --> 01:41:05,900
Like, kind of moved around the
light and the people are pretty

1637
01:41:05,900 --> 01:41:09,300
unsure if they believe that Sky
serpents are real.

1638
01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:13,400
They because mainly they like
the picture I sent you.

1639
01:41:13,400 --> 01:41:16,400
They look just like clouds.
Like that could be a cloud.

1640
01:41:18,900 --> 01:41:21,200
Okay, not that one.
No, not that one in the parking

1641
01:41:21,200 --> 01:41:25,900
lot, not wanting a parking lot.
Which one?

1642
01:41:26,900 --> 01:41:28,700
But no, this doesn't look like a
god to me.

1643
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:30,600
Oh yeah.
That like.

1644
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:33,100
Well, I'm looking at the one
where you can it's the sunset.

1645
01:41:33,100 --> 01:41:33,800
Okay.
Yeah.

1646
01:41:33,900 --> 01:41:34,700
Okay.
Come.

1647
01:41:34,700 --> 01:41:37,400
It's distinctly different from
the other clouds.

1648
01:41:41,100 --> 01:41:43,800
So I think I don't know if you
get explaining this like a what

1649
01:41:43,800 --> 01:41:46,000
do you call that?
Like when the the that might be

1650
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:48,700
you do the cool flame playing
and it leaves those streaks in

1651
01:41:48,708 --> 01:41:51,300
the sky.
Like maybe somebody did like a

1652
01:41:51,300 --> 01:41:54,100
spin up.
Like that makes sense to me, but

1653
01:41:54,100 --> 01:41:57,000
like not that this is a cloud.
Why is this Cloud suddenly

1654
01:41:57,000 --> 01:41:57,700
going?
Yeah.

1655
01:41:57,800 --> 01:41:59,900
Yeah.
Opposite direction of all the

1656
01:41:59,900 --> 01:42:04,200
other Cloud, I mean, straight
up, but some people are like,

1657
01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:08,700
maybe maybe they are atmospheric
piece, or maybe they're just

1658
01:42:08,700 --> 01:42:12,800
like Yeah.
Yeah.

1659
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:15,200
Or maybe just a UFO that you
know mr.

1660
01:42:15,200 --> 01:42:16,700
Kannada.
Is it look like a living

1661
01:42:16,700 --> 01:42:19,600
creature?
Ever know.

1662
01:42:22,600 --> 01:42:25,100
Just because it's like a
supernatural stuff, so you never

1663
01:42:25,100 --> 01:42:30,000
know.
And yeah, I mean, I think that's

1664
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:33,500
why they changed the name to
unidentified aerial phenomenon.

1665
01:42:35,900 --> 01:42:39,300
But I mean like there's another
one that I remember, seeing of

1666
01:42:39,300 --> 01:42:43,100
like the snake that looks like,
you know, how like it do they

1667
01:42:43,100 --> 01:42:45,400
used to do the little wand and
they would make the Disney

1668
01:42:45,900 --> 01:42:48,900
picture.
It looks like somebody like one

1669
01:42:48,900 --> 01:42:53,000
of those and just like tripled
in the sky talk about the Mickey

1670
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:59,500
Mouse symbol, you know, picture.
I'm talking about No, it should

1671
01:42:59,500 --> 01:43:11,600
like that.
Apparently this is a lightning

1672
01:43:11,900 --> 01:43:15,900
but I don't know.
Because this looks like somebody

1673
01:43:15,900 --> 01:43:22,000
had like those light sticks and
just swish it around in the sky.

1674
01:43:26,300 --> 01:43:28,900
Apparently, that picture is
lightning and I'm like, that

1675
01:43:28,900 --> 01:43:34,000
seems weird to me.
I get legitimately looks like

1676
01:43:34,300 --> 01:43:42,900
the clouds are opening up.
That was March 2007.

1677
01:43:42,900 --> 01:43:44,200
Hmm.
What is it?

1678
01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:54,200
Let me see.
Yeah, so they that the people

1679
01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:56,600
who posted select certain
phenomena are easily confused

1680
01:43:56,600 --> 01:44:00,000
with a piece like Miss Alice for
shown here.

1681
01:44:00,200 --> 01:44:04,000
Lightning related is also know
and I'm like, oh, I believe

1682
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:05,800
doesn't look like any lightning
I've ever seen.

1683
01:44:08,200 --> 01:44:10,600
What it looks like.
Yeah, I is opening up but do you

1684
01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:12,200
see how the clouds are almost
curled?

1685
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:15,600
Around the light?
That's also there's a break in

1686
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:22,100
the sky, that's wild.
It's like in other than it's

1687
01:44:22,100 --> 01:44:25,700
like when like fire tornado
started being a thing, I need

1688
01:44:25,700 --> 01:44:30,800
more and I was like, what?
What of tornado of fire?

1689
01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:35,800
That's cool.
And also terrifying.

1690
01:44:36,200 --> 01:44:43,200
That is cool though.
Oh, right, so have you heard of

1691
01:44:43,200 --> 01:44:46,900
are rods before?
You have.

1692
01:44:50,100 --> 01:44:52,600
All right.
So are I don't.

1693
01:44:52,700 --> 01:44:55,100
Okay.
So are rods are basic.

1694
01:44:55,200 --> 01:45:06,000
What are are rods?
I've heard of the okay.

1695
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:09,700
Is it there either?
Okay, are rods and cones skyfish

1696
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:16,800
or flying rods.
Um basically okay are just a

1697
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:27,800
tube of something.
Flying across the sky. and, Oh,

1698
01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:30,100
that looks so careful goodness,
yes.

1699
01:45:30,700 --> 01:45:39,500
Yeah, it does, doesn't it?
Yeah, it's like a lot of people

1700
01:45:39,500 --> 01:45:44,600
thing real fast.
And then I've see, I've seen

1701
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:47,300
some higher than a bug, like,
I'm looking at some that seem

1702
01:45:47,300 --> 01:45:49,500
way higher than a bud, Lou
apparently.

1703
01:45:50,300 --> 01:45:54,400
Yeah, apparently are rods have
never been seen with the naked

1704
01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:58,200
eye by the naked, eye at all.
But you can definitely pick them

1705
01:45:58,200 --> 01:46:03,400
up on like, you know, a camera.
Like if you pull your phone out,

1706
01:46:03,400 --> 01:46:04,600
take a picture.
Boom.

1707
01:46:04,600 --> 01:46:07,000
You're good to go.
You probably might catch a ride

1708
01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:17,500
in one of your pictures.
Um, so Are rods are really a

1709
01:46:17,500 --> 01:46:25,000
thing.
What they are saying Well, my

1710
01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:30,200
favorite is when people are
trying to like, I'm looking at

1711
01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:31,300
some of that, right?
Yeah.

1712
01:46:31,300 --> 01:46:39,600
Those are odds aren't saying
they're actually, it's a hoax.

1713
01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:45,000
I'd say, but it's a, it's a
camera trick or it's a trick of

1714
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:51,200
light with the camera.
So, they are actually.

1715
01:46:52,600 --> 01:46:56,700
It's a bug actually it's a bug.
So it's possible that a very

1716
01:46:57,100 --> 01:47:00,800
fast bug with its wings flapping
that make it look like it's just

1717
01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:04,200
a cylindrical thing that's
flying through the sky.

1718
01:47:09,300 --> 01:47:12,800
There's only one that I'm not
sure about it being a bug

1719
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:16,300
because it looks so clear.
All the rest of them look very

1720
01:47:16,300 --> 01:47:19,300
blurry, like it's moving too
fast.

1721
01:47:19,300 --> 01:47:22,400
That's usually what they're they
classified as because they're

1722
01:47:22,400 --> 01:47:26,600
like, it's just like a smudging,
like it's going too fast, so you

1723
01:47:26,600 --> 01:47:31,700
can't really catch the wings.
So it just looks like I don't

1724
01:47:31,700 --> 01:47:36,700
like.
Just look at the top left left

1725
01:47:37,200 --> 01:47:42,600
in the picture.
I sent you, I mean okay, yeah.

1726
01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:49,000
Okay.
That's the only one that's like,

1727
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:50,200
what is that?
That feels like.

1728
01:47:50,200 --> 01:47:52,100
That could be something else.
Yeah, absolutely.

1729
01:47:52,500 --> 01:47:54,100
I can totally get the one on the
top.

1730
01:47:54,100 --> 01:47:55,500
Right.
That looks like a buck to me.

1731
01:47:55,600 --> 01:47:57,400
Yeah.
Yep, that's exactly.

1732
01:47:57,400 --> 01:47:59,800
That's exactly why he tried to
take a picture of a dragonfly

1733
01:47:59,800 --> 01:48:04,900
with like a cell phone.
You actually have to have a

1734
01:48:04,900 --> 01:48:11,900
camera that has a pretty solid
in for fire anime fans, who who

1735
01:48:11,900 --> 01:48:16,600
are very cultured.
They in that.

1736
01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:19,400
Who are who are very cultured
and watch, JoJo's Bizarre,

1737
01:48:19,400 --> 01:48:23,300
Adventure or who the rental
there is a, they make reference

1738
01:48:23,300 --> 01:48:27,400
to are rods in the, which one
was it?

1739
01:48:27,400 --> 01:48:31,500
Was it the I think it's Parts.
This is the part that's out

1740
01:48:31,500 --> 01:48:32,700
right now.
I think that's the part that's

1741
01:48:32,700 --> 01:48:33,800
out right now.
They are rods.

1742
01:48:33,900 --> 01:48:39,100
Okay?
Don't want Jolene in the prison

1743
01:48:39,200 --> 01:48:42,400
escaping prison?
That one stone ocean.

1744
01:48:43,500 --> 01:48:45,600
Sam would knows that Sam knows
it.

1745
01:48:45,700 --> 01:48:52,100
Oh, You right Sam.
What do I immediately?

1746
01:48:52,100 --> 01:48:56,200
My brain thought the new
episodes but yet and there you

1747
01:48:56,200 --> 01:49:03,400
go.
We're talking about you, oh

1748
01:49:03,400 --> 01:49:08,700
goodness.
But yeah, like, I love the idea

1749
01:49:09,400 --> 01:49:15,600
of like creatures besides Birds,
living up in our atmosphere, and

1750
01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:19,000
living living in the sky.
I know, birds are freaking Faker

1751
01:49:19,000 --> 01:49:20,800
cameras.
Well, I mean, that's all I'm

1752
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:22,700
talking about is only conspiracy
Crypt.

1753
01:49:25,100 --> 01:49:26,600
Tricking us.
They are fake.

1754
01:49:33,400 --> 01:49:36,000
They're drones here to spy on
us.

1755
01:49:36,600 --> 01:49:39,600
We're play Fallout 4, you know,
the birds aren't real.

1756
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:50,800
Hey, oh no, the birds are not
real.

1757
01:49:51,900 --> 01:49:54,000
I played Fallout 4.
What remember, we're going off

1758
01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:55,900
topic again.
But fuck it.

1759
01:49:56,700 --> 01:50:00,400
I'm going to talk about it now.
We'll talk about this

1760
01:50:00,400 --> 01:50:03,700
afterwards, okay.
We'll listen to it, they like

1761
01:50:03,700 --> 01:50:10,900
the conspiracy stop 200k.
Anyway, Birds aren't real, but

1762
01:50:11,300 --> 01:50:13,700
atmospheric piece is a may be
real.

1763
01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:16,200
Just like any other Cryptid.
That's why I'm talking about

1764
01:50:16,200 --> 01:50:20,400
today because it's, they're
basically a Cryptid but also an

1765
01:50:20,400 --> 01:50:28,300
alien but also a UFO also.
I don't know.

1766
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:35,300
I just Yeah.
I mean, that's really where it

1767
01:50:35,300 --> 01:50:36,900
is with this.
I'm gonna go back to the

1768
01:50:36,900 --> 01:50:38,500
atmospheric jellyfish for a
second.

1769
01:50:38,900 --> 01:50:41,700
Like there.
There, there are a ton.

1770
01:50:41,700 --> 01:50:42,700
Like I said, it's on the
sightings.

1771
01:50:42,700 --> 01:50:49,600
They go back to the 70s,
actually, and the first one that

1772
01:50:49,600 --> 01:50:53,800
is like, cited is actually what
they based in SCP off of as

1773
01:50:53,800 --> 01:50:58,000
well.
We sure as hell do.

1774
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:03,200
And it was in, I guess it was
Danish.

1775
01:51:03,500 --> 01:51:05,500
The Davis military.
They saw this one and it looks

1776
01:51:05,500 --> 01:51:07,600
just like a freaking jellyfish
in the sky.

1777
01:51:08,100 --> 01:51:12,900
That's like, like not were like
to China cannot relate.

1778
01:51:12,900 --> 01:51:15,200
Like yeah, they got two
tentacles but like the fluffy

1779
01:51:15,200 --> 01:51:17,400
tentacles, you know what I mean.
I forget, which jellyfish that

1780
01:51:17,400 --> 01:51:23,000
is Like a like a lion's mane
jellyfish, something like that.

1781
01:51:26,100 --> 01:51:29,300
Yeah.
Oh yeah yeah I know it was

1782
01:51:29,300 --> 01:51:36,700
swinging Target but yeah I just
like the idea of things floating

1783
01:51:36,700 --> 01:51:39,600
in the sky that maybe from this
planet.

1784
01:51:41,200 --> 01:51:44,600
And then when you think about
it, like we travel to Skies all

1785
01:51:44,608 --> 01:51:49,200
the time, you think?
Well, I don't know planes go up

1786
01:51:49,200 --> 01:51:53,800
that high.
But you know, I mean like there

1787
01:51:53,800 --> 01:51:55,800
someday I can get high and is
something we can't.

1788
01:51:55,800 --> 01:52:01,500
We can't really search the whole
Sky all the time, and we can't

1789
01:52:01,500 --> 01:52:03,200
search it.
It's just all around the rose,

1790
01:52:03,200 --> 01:52:05,400
like the ocean a little bit, but
not really.

1791
01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:10,800
Oh yeah, that's what I got.
I miss her.

1792
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:14,700
Yes I saw it.
I was like this is going to be a

1793
01:52:14,700 --> 01:52:17,800
girl and like this.
I like the idea of just giant

1794
01:52:17,800 --> 01:52:20,600
jellyfish in the sky because I
love jellyfish that look like

1795
01:52:20,600 --> 01:52:25,200
spaceships.
And I got to talk about note for

1796
01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:29,900
a second.
Which is awesome.

1797
01:52:30,200 --> 01:52:38,600
Good.
Well, thanks so much everybody

1798
01:52:38,600 --> 01:52:44,200
for listening one question mark.
I don't know if that's the right

1799
01:52:44,200 --> 01:52:48,400
thing to say, but it does make
me happy to.

1800
01:52:48,400 --> 01:52:51,500
We love you on here in at you.
I love hearing.

1801
01:52:55,000 --> 01:52:59,200
And I say this on Tic Tac all
the time, but I want to say this

1802
01:52:59,200 --> 01:53:02,200
here too, there are some really
amazing things that have

1803
01:53:02,200 --> 01:53:05,000
happened to me since we started
this process and now there's

1804
01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:07,200
something really big that could
be on the horizon for both

1805
01:53:07,200 --> 01:53:11,000
Brian.
And I and the reason why that

1806
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:17,500
exists is because all of you are
here, I say it a lot, but thank

1807
01:53:17,500 --> 01:53:21,800
you all for changing my life.
And yes, have a great

1808
01:53:21,800 --> 01:53:22,500
restaurant.