Joseph James DeAngelo Part I: The Man and the Mayhem

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Now this week on True Crime I
have an interesting story so

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this is the mystery of a mother
who went to the ER and she

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vanished 32 years ago.
Her name was Myrtle Brown and

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she went to the hospital in
Brooklyn in 1998, was May and

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then her family never heard from
her again.

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Interesting, interesting, so
wait, so the ER, she just

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disappeared from, right?
They like know what?

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Her family never heard from her
ever again.

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So so weird to bring up Ebony
Brown, who's her daughter

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because she was 13 years old,
when her mom went missing.

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And so that may Myrtle Brown was
in New York visiting her, best

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friend and her purse was stolen
her purse.

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Had her epilepsy medication and
all of her identification and

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she ended up telling her family.
Like I don't feel Well, I'm

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going to go to the hospital, so
they can give me epilepsy meds,

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and so I can get back home.
So, she ended up going the Kings

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County Hospital in.
Brooklyn to get a refill.

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Her daughter said that she went
by herself and I was the last

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time they heard from her and
four weeks like her grandparents

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and other family members went to
all the local police in

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Brooklyn.
They went to all of the

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hospitals in the area and never
got any answer.

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Ebony her daughter said that she
were as she wondered if maybe,

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you know, like her Mom just
wanted a different path in life.

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You know, sometimes people do
that especially back then when

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she said she's really confused
and sad.

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But then 32 years later in April
of this year Myrtle's brother,

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Robert Brown was watching, NBC
Nightly News with Lester Holt

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and it aired a profile of the
cold-case squad at New York

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City.
It was the the it's run by the

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New York City office of chief
medical examiner.

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That person is dr.
Angela solar.

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And they had opened up something
like 1250 unidentified persons

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cases, and most of them were
from the 90s.

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Now in this report that Robert
Brown was watching, he saw a

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picture of a facial
reconstruction like it was a

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full statue like a clay model
and he was like that could be my

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sister.
Is that my sister and so he and

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his wife called the medical
examiner's office and solar and

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her team are like we'll look
into it and so they take out the

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record reconstruction and
they're like, okay, this

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absolutely would be a
middle-aged black woman.

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And it did match for all of the
things, the family were telling

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her, you know, her age when she
might have disappeared or died

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May of 1990.
And for two months solar

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reviews, all of these records
they're called unverified

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unknowns or missing.
People with potential with a

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potential name that has not been
verified or confirmed.

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She started her search on May
1st 1990 until she found who she

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thought was Myrtle Brown on May
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T, but it turns out that that
reconstruction wasn't Myrtle.

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essentially, the contextual
information matched, she passed

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away in Brooklyn which matches
with the family said, And so

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pretty much the brown family's
like, oh, well, thanks for

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trying and but then they get a
call from solar a couple more

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weeks later.
And she's like, no, we found

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your sister.
And and he's just like, she's

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like, I think we found your
sister.

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The daughter was on the call and
that even though that pick that

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statue wasn't there, their mom,
they did still find her mom in

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the records.
Okay, so yeah, they ended up

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sending a photograph of her
deceased and it was a very, a

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perfect match.
One of they would have taken at

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the morgue since she was
unidentified Myrtle, so murder

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was 35.
She didn't even get registered

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or admitted to Kings County
Hospital the most.

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She hasn't been able to do
before she had a seizure was

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walk up to the counter.
Give them her name and date of

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birth and then she died in the
like, emergency waiting room.

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Yeah.
They were able to hold a virtual

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memorial for her because the
families like not all the same

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place now, but All that solar
says she hopes from this

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experience in the fact that
they're talking about it now is

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that this will encourage other
people to come forward because

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they are trying to do the work
to find a lot of the missing

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people.
And I'm just saying these are

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just the missing cases in
Brooklyn.

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Those 1,200, I'm sure that
there's literally, every

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Precinct has their own giant
list in New York.

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It's a massive massive state,
but you know, but solar said,

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Didn't end up being that
individual with a recreation,

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was based off of this did help
us resolve a case and it did

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make a difference and that's the
point to get people to stop and

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think for a moment and follow
through and give us a phone

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call.
So in the end, it did have a

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good ending.
There you go.

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There you go.
You can so you Sounder who

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technical your technology.
Yeah, if it's really copies, got

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to have the people to do the
work because there's just so

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many cold cases across the
entire country and that's a lot

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of money.
And They got to get the funding

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and people have to find Value in
it.

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So the more that they publicize,
these cases of them actually

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closing them, I think they can
get more funds and, and show

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that it is worth it to devote
money too close to these cases

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and giving people some level of
cousre.

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So what do you got for me?
Brian.

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Okay, so remember that.
God goodness gracious.

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What has happened?
I don't know.

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We talked about A little bit of
Courtney clanny.

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You remember her?
Not by your name?

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What's up?
Do you remember?

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Okay, well, she goes by and us
her name is Courtney cause

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Courtney Taylor.
She's a oh the only fans lady

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who killed the guy in Miami.
There you go.

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Yeah yeah I don't know her name
but I know her face.

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I have the picture of her
sitting on her Little like the

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sitting outside of her apartment
covered in blood and handcuffed

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on the floor and the dogs are
around her.

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Yeah, I have that picture on my
phone.

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Okay, so she is, there's no
court hearing going on because

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she's been, you know, she's
accused of murdering her

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boyfriend.
Of course, she's being charged

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with second-degree murder with a
deadly weapon and, you know,

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because as we should, I heard
something I saw something about,

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like they had, she was trying to
get these tapes that they had

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pulled from the apartment
complex.

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Her lawyer was trying to get
them.

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Cool.
Some evidence.

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Hold firm evidence.
Because it didn't happen that

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day and they're like, it doesn't
matter if it happened that day.

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But I'm like, bro.
It's a picture of her, picking a

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fight, and then, like, jumping
on him, like the clips that they

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released of it.
I'm like, she was real violent.

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Yeah, um.
So there is something.

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Okay, so there's a lot of if
they're more, is it worse?

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There's a ton of evidence like
it just showing how abusive she

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was in this relationship.
I mean that's what the friend

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said like her friends were like,
I've never seen him do anything.

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I've only ever seen her.
Do ya, do ya?

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Crazy shit, but no.
Okay.

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So you're so, this is Corey,
right?

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And guess the prosecutor.
He's trying to get into evidence

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a?
I guess I think it was through

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talking about some videotape.
Yeah, it's a hallway outside.

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Their apartment is like I said,
yeah.

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Teams fighting real hard because
that's evidence that she's

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abusive.
Yeah, it's like is this happened

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two months before his death?
But it's like it shows a pattern

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like exactly.
Like, yeah, this is what she

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does when she did this is
actually pretty sure.

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Yeah, exactly.
And it's funny because it says

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that not only do they have about
12,000 text messages between her

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and her kind of see Beyonce but
they also have her only fans

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videos and photos are audio
content from the social media

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Pages stuff like that is that
shows that, you know, that's

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been recorded and that's how she
acts.

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And that's the type of person
that she is.

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And the, I guess the judge he's
worried, is that so much

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evidence against this one
person?

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Would make the process of
getting a jury a lot harder

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because it's, it's gonna make
the trial outlandish tyumen.

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One of the cases we cover
didn't, I think it was.

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What's his name?
The Dating Game Killer like

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Alcala their react hundreds upon
hundreds, upon hundreds of pages

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of evidence.
It's a lot and it's a lot to

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make a jury sit through.
Yeah, I like, I get that but I'm

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like what?
There's so much evidence that

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they have couldn't make it so
much harder, it's it's a concept

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that's so weird to me because
they got to go.

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Do you at all?
That's the same.

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Yeah yeah I think there's a
quote from her attorney.

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It's a says to vigorously defend
my client.

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I'm not going to stand back and
let her be a punching bag for

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the media.
This case needs to be tried in

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this courtroom with Texans of a
fair and impartial trial. and

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just like I like, okay I get
they have a right to a fair and

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impartial trial but Known as
evidence is stacked against, you

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know, it's just like, well, I
will say this, I don't know if

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her only fans is really
necessary right for her.

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Like, because I think that's
just going to try and paint her

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in a negative way because she's
a sex worker.

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Yeah.
That's probably.

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That's what they did for.
What's her freaking face Casey

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Anthony?
Yeah, I don't really think we

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need that.
But the absolutely the evidence

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of her in public in the building
where they lived attacking him,

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not to mention that apparently
you can hear.

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Saying in the background of the
911 call when she called it.

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Like he's still alive and he's
like, I think I'm dying.

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So yes he it's it's sad.
Yeah well we'll see what happens

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with that case.
Hopefully you know hopefully we

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hear more about it and you know,
it's there's a nice conclusion

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to this that everybody can agree
on except for her.

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She hasn't got a nice
conclusion.

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Yeah, exactly.
That's why I got.

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All right.
So I think Brian that most of us

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grew up hearing that cops were
our friends.

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Would you would you say that's
fair?

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Oh really?
When you were little we're

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talking about little they I
would say even some people refer

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to it as cop agam de many young
children, very much love police

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officers.
Okay.

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Yeah, and I guess yeah.
So the media and American

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society, if you police officers
with a certain level of

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reverence reserved for very few
other entities, in our culture.

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I mean, I've seen people look a
doctor in the face and be like,

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I know more than you.
But definitely, there have been

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little cracks, like the glowing
disdain for police brutality

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across the United States, the
lack of action in The Case of

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the, you all be Massacre three
months ago, but I think for me,

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probably the first thing that
began destroy my belief and

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police was when I learned how
many of them were Killers.

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Because remember, I started
learning about True Crime when I

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was about 12 years old, and this
isn't a uniquely American thing.

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Germany had normally pulk try.
Had Zhang kg we covered the

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beasts of the Ukraine and
episode 14, Mikhail popkov.

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And today we're going to be
talking about one of the worst

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in the US History.
Joseph, James DeAngelo, a serial

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rapist, killer burglar and
police officer in California.

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He started robbing, and raping
people in 1974.

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And I first knew about him on
message boards, as EA are ons

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the East area, rapist, original
Night Stalker, His others call

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them the pazzaglia ransack.
ER but most of our followers

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know him as the Golden State
killer, which is the name that

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stuck when the FBI reopened the
investigation into finding him

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in 2016, he get caught in 2018
and finally Fleet guilty on June

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29th 2020.
Yes, he was in court during

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quarantine my covid.
Wait, what?

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Really?
Yes.

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Oh, yeah.
And and he, shucked and jived,

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but we're not going to talk
about that yet.

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That'll be next week because I
had to break this into two parts

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because this is, he's another
one of these ones.

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Like Gary Ridgway who really
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so this week we're going to talk
about mainly his upbringing, the

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the crimes and and his family
life.

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And then next week, we will talk
will go into much more detail

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because the task forks and
things just like with Gary

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Ridgway these the people who are
searching for him, searched for

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him for a very long time and
some people never gave up.

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But before we get to how they
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where we always start the
beginning.

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Joseph James, D'Angelo jr.
Was born on November 8th 1945

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and Bath.
New York to his mother Kathleen,

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Louise de Grote and Joseph
D'Angelo singer, who was from

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Watkins, Glen New York, and
Kathleen was a waitress, when

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they met, they got married,
November 20th 1941 in New York,

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he had three other siblings,
backe, Connie and John Now

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Joseph CR was a well-respected
Airmen and their articles that

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date back to like 1944, the star
Gazette that showed that he flew

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and raids across Europe.
He had been given seven

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different Metals, his dad but
Joseph senior in Kathleen didn't

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really make it even a decade
before they split.

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We don't have the exact dates
but sometime after Joseph

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Juniors brother John was born in
1949 the couple split up now,

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there are some interesting
accounts about Okay, we got to

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pause the dogs freaking out.
So I came across a few accounts

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from Joe's family about our
interesting incident that they

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say might have shaped him in a
tragic way.

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So with Joseph senior being in
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apparently they spend some time
in German military bases when he

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was young and they're his sister
Connie was apparently sexually

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assaulted by two men Now, the
details are fuzzy at best, but

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essentially Connie son, told the
process in recent news and the

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way you described it as it was
kind of like one of those

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horrible family, stories that
people only whisper about that

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Joe and his sister were playing
an abandoned warehouse.

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The attack happened in front of
him and of course, this has

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been.
The only person who's talked

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about this is Connie son and
Plenty of psychiatrist have

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waited on the story and think
that, you know, seeing something

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like this when he was so young,
might have explained.

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Why he grew up to have like a
preoccupation with both law

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enforcement and also turn into a
rapist himself.

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Connie is no longer alive so we
can't really confirm if this

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really happened but it's just a
detail and we're not sure if

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it's true or not.
But regardless of that other

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story, what we do know for sure
is that after traveling with

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Dad, they did put down roots in
Rancho Cordova and a small tract

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house.
I had to look up.

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Tract house was but tract.
Housing is a Housing

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Development, built in an area
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different Lots.
When I looked at pictures of

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them, it reminded me of like
those Suburban neighborhoods

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where all the houses, look, the
same and their rows and rows and

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rows of them.
Yeah, though, I guess the

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correct term for those are tract
houses.

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The interesting thing though was
that the D'Angelo family was so

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poor that they heard, they owned
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Even the kids beds were all
rented from like a run, a center

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type place.
And I think that's poignant

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because when Joseph senior went
to Korea and then Florida and

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never came back.
All of the house and the items

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in the things that the kids own
had to be given back to the bank

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and the lenders.
Now, Joe's mom, eventually meets

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a traveling welder, who had a
wife and kids of his own and

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says Southern California, and
his name was Jack, the Sanko.

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And he'd been in the Navy, I'm
sure this illicit relationship,

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didn't contribute to his divorce
from his first wife, but in 1965

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Kathleen and Jack got married.
The marriage came much later

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after the relationship because
Jack moved, the family to till

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are California and the 50s which
did not make Teenage Joseph,

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very happy mainly because he was
suddenly responsible for helping

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the kids in the family.
Lee not just his brother and

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sister.
But also Jack's kids too because

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he was the oldest kid.
And this caused a huge Rift in

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the relationship with his mother
and the two.

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Got into a lot of very big
fights about it.

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During this time when he was at
Mills Junior High School, he

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made friends with a girl named
Judy about 1959.

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And he started hanging out with
Judy and her brothers who he

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also do from school.
He started calling Judy's,

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parents Mom and Dad spent as
much time as he could with them,

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Judy had a huge family and her
parents treated Joe.

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Stuff, like he was kid.
Number 10.

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Now Rancho Cordova was very
much, a town, not even halfway

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built up at this point, it
actually wasn't fully

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Incorporated until July 1st
2003.

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So, pretty much Judy's brothers
and Joseph just ripped and ran

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through all these abandoned
Vineyards in the area, the town

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got big or I guess, big and
quotation marks after World War

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Two Soldiers, came back from war
and they got their War money and

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start building homes there.
But they spent their time, you

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know, Finding frogs bugs jumping
in the car.

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Mal's occasionally beating up
people who mess with their

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friends and we're gonna see
Joseph's first relationship.

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Let down happens in Rancho
Cordova, he could have been very

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old but apparently his schtick
was that he liked to steal Jan,

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and work on cars in his teens.
And at some point during that

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time, he met one of Judy's
friends and he kind of fixated

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on her a little bit and he took
her to a cabin in the woods in

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the area to drink and like hang
out which seems like a very team

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thing to do.
And then he asked her to marry

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him.
And she was like, I barely know

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you.
No thanks.

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He exactly like your teenagers.
So Joe's, only real sexual

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information came from Judy's mom
who one time sat down all of the

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Suns and had a talk with the
boys about, you know, the birds

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and the bees.
Now, Joseph lack of experience

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with the girls and a tendency to
go too far too fast.

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When courting leads to a lot of
heartbreak and not many

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girlfriends, which is why he
started peeping.

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During this time, he even looked
in Judy's window one night and

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it scared the absolute crap out
of her but she didn't recognize

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him because he had a hood up. we
can we can mark this as a

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checkmark and showing a
predilection for deviancy in his

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teen years since his capture and
conviction friends and family,

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have told the press that while
Joseph was in high school at

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them at Folsom High School, he
did commit some small burglaries

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and he was also known to harm
animals, another checkmark in

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the MacDonald Triad Now, his
time at Folsom, High Schools,

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pretty short-lived.
He started in 1961 and by 1964.

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He dropped out got his GED and
he joined the Navy.

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Judy's older brother, had done
the same thing like the year

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before and the two are best
friends.

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So maybe he just wanted to be
like his buddy.

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Not his time in the Navy was as
good as any persons time to be

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when you finished basic and
immediately gets shipped off to

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Vietnam.
He was called it was a damage

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controlman second class and he
served on both the USS kambera

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and the USS Piedmont and he
finished his time in the Navy in

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good standing after a 22-month
tour and went back to normal

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civilian life.
He always like to tell people

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that he lost part of his finger
in the war, but it was literally

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like a machine accident.
Like it wasn't because like

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anybody caught him, but he liked
to let people think that it was

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more important than it was.
Now, at this point his

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stepfather Jack is working at
Sierra Crane and hoist as a

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welder.
Joseph decided he was like, I'm

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gonna go to college and a lot of
young men after Vietnam did that

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my dad did that.
I mean at that point the, the GI

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bill was actually said in people
to college and paying for their

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way to live.
So he starts at Sierra College

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in Rocklin, California in 1968
and he gets his.

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So to go get his associates
degree and political in police

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science.
Which is a degree.

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I didn't know existed.
And after finishing that he'd

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end up going to Sacramento State
University and he begins his

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studies.
There in 1971.

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I'm gonna say the First Line in
the Sand that show that Joseph

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is not, a good guy starts in
college in this gap.

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Before he starts school at
Sacramento State, he met and

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started dating a girl named
Bonnie.

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Jean Caldwell and Bonnie's
parents were a high school

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principal in a former teacher.
So they expected a lot of

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academic Excellence from Bonnie,
she had three siblings who were

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all class president.
They want School, Bonnie was the

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class Treasurer.
She was a really good pianist

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who volunteered once a week with
Vietnam vets.

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And when she was in high school,
boys, didn't really care a lot

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for her.
So when she needs Joe at Sierra

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College, she's in experience for
a little hopeful.

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Now, he's presenting himself as
this hardened vet.

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Who lost his finger in the war,
Mind you he was like a carpenter

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on these ships but he did not
correct anyone when they

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showered him with praise for a
vet for being a Vietnam.

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Vet.
They're like you were in the

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jungle and he's like, yeah,
totally.

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That's what I did.
So bodies.

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Excellent students.
Thank you for your service

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honors cheated people work as a
lab assistant, that's actually

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how the who's, right?
So Joseph study in this like,

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you know, Science police science
and she's working in a lab in

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the lab with animals.
They have no reason to be in the

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same building at all, but he's
there.

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And they meet, she likes him,
he's into her.

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The two were an odd pairing
though.

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Bonnie was bookish.
And Joseph wasn't so, Bonnie,

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actually spent a lot of their
relationship tutoring him.

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In school Bonnie's friends were
like, he's old because remember,

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she's like 18, all her friends
are 18, 19 year old freshman,

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and he's easily for years older
than them to try and make up.

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I said he didn't want to be
like, the weird old guy.

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He was always, Ultra, nice, try
to be very funny.

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People study, gave off a James
Dean Vibe, he wore like faded

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jeans t-shirts suede boots on
Bonnie's.

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Father, stand Caldwell learned
about the two of them dating.

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He was not into it.
He didn't like the Joseph was

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older, but Bonnie was on her
independent tip and she was

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like, I can do what I want with
my life.

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You're not gonna stop me from
beating somebody.

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Now when Stan got to meet Joseph
and he learned that he was a

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Vietnam vet, he was like, okay,
maybe he's not that bad because

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Dan was a World War, Two vet
now, Bonnie had four younger

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brothers, who really likes
Joseph and he had a blue Road,

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Runner with a Hemi engine and
so, they were always very

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interesting.
He take the younger brothers on

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trips to a drive-in, he'd
offered to fix things for the

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boy, since he was good at that
kind of thing.

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And even if he like fixed it,
and And work well and it like

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broke or exploded.
They all thought it was

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hilarious.
So, Now, they're in this

449
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,200
relationship and Joseph starts
wearing Bonnie's class ring on

450
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:06,700
his pinky finger and in Public
Heath up gentlemen, but in

451
00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:10,700
private Bonnie finds his desires
for sex to be overwhelming.

452
00:27:11,100 --> 00:27:14,800
She would later tell Sacramento
prosecutors that while he was

453
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,100
persistent he never forced her
and always waited for her to

454
00:27:18,100 --> 00:27:27,800
say, yes, which I still really
grating because I don't like it.

455
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,500
Yeah.
Yeah exactly.

456
00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:38,600
But she did also tell them that
sex with Joe was like, being

457
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,600
like just stop bugging me about
it.

458
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:49,600
She go alone Every time they had
sex, a detail that would Connect

459
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,800
into some of his victims later
in life, shortly, after they

460
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,200
started having sex, Joseph gives
bonding a judgment ring, no

461
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,700
proposal or a man's just like,
here you go.

462
00:27:58,700 --> 00:28:01,800
You're mine now.
Their engagement, even ran the

463
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,300
local paper Bonnie's.
Not sure she wants to marry this

464
00:28:05,300 --> 00:28:08,500
guy.
She's 18 years old, but she's

465
00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:10,800
like, if I get married that, I
don't have to go back home to my

466
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,600
dad, so she's like, Okay.
The stone bothered her too

467
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,500
because he said he found it in
Vietnam.

468
00:28:17,700 --> 00:28:21,000
It was huge and he had put it in
this strange setting.

469
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,000
It wasn't like shave down or
anything so that when Bonnie was

470
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,000
trying to do her like medical
work as a nurse or in nursing

471
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,100
training, she'd have to turn the
ring to the inside of her Palm.

472
00:28:33,900 --> 00:28:36,700
She never got the chance to even
tell him what she wanted for a

473
00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:40,200
ring and the longer they dated,
the more she realized that he

474
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,700
was just, it was weird addicted
to breaking the rules and doing

475
00:28:43,700 --> 00:28:48,500
things that were against the law
or dangerous from Tate like

476
00:28:48,500 --> 00:28:51,400
hopping having when they were
on, the hike is motorcycle.

477
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,700
He would take these like paths
that were scary, and she would

478
00:28:54,700 --> 00:28:57,800
be on the motorcycle with him.
So he was scaring the crap out

479
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,500
of her or like he was like, you
should learn how to hunt, you

480
00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:03,400
know, protect yourself and stuff
and so then he would take her

481
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:04,700
too.
Places where it was illegal to

482
00:29:04,700 --> 00:29:08,100
hunt and then he would always be
trespassing.

483
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,100
All right, he would spear fish
and Folsom Lake which is also

484
00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:13,600
illegal.
He would go hunting for Animals

485
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:20,100
outside of hunting season.
So so the spring of 1971,

486
00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:22,300
they're pretty much Junior
disappoint.

487
00:29:23,700 --> 00:29:26,700
Joseph asks body to cross a
line, that's too much for her.

488
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,000
He's failing abnormal psychology
and he needs this class to pass

489
00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:35,500
for the the criminal justice.
He asks her to cheat and

490
00:29:35,500 --> 00:29:40,300
Bonnie's like no.
He even tried to do it without

491
00:29:40,300 --> 00:29:43,400
her permission because I guess
they were in the same class and

492
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,700
she's just like, no, I'm not
letting you cheat off of me.

493
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,300
He is livid and this becomes a
major issue in their

494
00:29:48,300 --> 00:29:51,400
relationship for Joseph.
He's just like, you owe it to

495
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:52,700
me.
We're going to get married one

496
00:29:52,700 --> 00:29:54,500
day.
Once I make it onto the

497
00:29:54,500 --> 00:29:59,800
California Highway Patrol, So
the night things, explode,

498
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,000
Bonnie's that our parents living
room and she calls them.

499
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,900
And she's like, we need to talk
and she breaks it off with him

500
00:30:06,300 --> 00:30:08,400
and he's like, what I love, you
were meant to be together were

501
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,400
perfect together and Bonnie's
just like, we're not a good fit.

502
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,100
I've already decided, she gives
him back.

503
00:30:13,100 --> 00:30:17,500
The engagement ring, Joe is
losing his shit.

504
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,900
He actually throws the ring into
the backyard in front of the

505
00:30:20,900 --> 00:30:23,700
family and Bonnie, and her
brothers ended up looking for,

506
00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:26,100
but they never found it.
They weren't even sure he

507
00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:30,900
actually really through it.
Now a couple nights later,

508
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,200
Bonnie wakes up and there is a
tap tap, tap on her window.

509
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:41,800
She moves the curtain and there
is Joseph holding a gun against

510
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,700
the glass.
It is right in line with her

511
00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:46,700
face and he looks at her and he
goes get dressed.

512
00:30:46,700 --> 00:30:56,000
We're going to Reno Bonnie,
turns and runs straight into our

513
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,800
families bedroom, and she's just
like Joe's outside.

514
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,400
He has a gun.
He wants me to go to Reno and

515
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,600
Miriam right now.
And her dad's like going to the

516
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,600
bathroom, lock the door, I'll
come get you when I'm done.

517
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,000
And the dad goes out to go talk
to Joseph.

518
00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:12,500
The cops, never get called and
Bonnie believes.

519
00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:15,100
The reason her dad didn't call
the cops is because it would

520
00:31:15,100 --> 00:31:17,600
have ruined his future and
becoming a police officer.

521
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,700
But about two hours later.
That knocks on the bathroom door

522
00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:26,000
and sees, like Joseph's gone.
He never told her.

523
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,600
What happened over those two
hours, the rest of the family

524
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:33,000
didn't even know what happened.
Bonnie, so freaked out.

525
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,200
She's dropped out of school for
the rest of the summer and

526
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,800
changes her major to lab
Sciences.

527
00:31:38,700 --> 00:31:42,600
She gets married to an account
in 1972, and she sees Joe one

528
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:47,000
more time before she graduate
before he graduates in 1973.

529
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,400
At this point though, Bonnie is
nine months pregnant and they're

530
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,900
at the mall and she pulls her
husband to the side and like

531
00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:57,800
hides from him.
Nobody goes on to get me.

532
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,600
She has a good life.
She doesn't know anything about

533
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:07,200
Joe's life until 2018.
When her ex-husband the account

534
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,000
she married in 1972 called her
in 2018.

535
00:32:10,700 --> 00:32:13,100
And he said, what's the name of
that guy?

536
00:32:13,100 --> 00:32:21,300
You dated before me and Bonnie's
like Joseph D'Angelo And her

537
00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:23,800
ex-husband's.
Like he just got arrested for

538
00:32:23,900 --> 00:32:27,300
being a rapist.
She wasn't even in the u.s. she

539
00:32:27,300 --> 00:32:29,400
was in Italy with friends of
hers.

540
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,400
And she was running a successful
travel blog and reporters

541
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,700
started.
Just stalking her and it didn't

542
00:32:36,700 --> 00:32:38,200
stop.
When she got back to the US,

543
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,000
people actually took her travel
blog and her Facebook page and

544
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,000
turn them into a book before the
trial, even came out and sold on

545
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,800
Amazon.
Right.

546
00:32:49,700 --> 00:32:52,800
What really really messed up
Bonnie's was when she heard that

547
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,000
the thirty seventh victim.
Wait, her Joe say, I hate you,

548
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,500
Bonnie.
After he raped her.

549
00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:09,700
And uncomfortable personal
connection to his crimes.

550
00:33:10,900 --> 00:33:13,300
What's even worse is that in the
time between their breakup and

551
00:33:13,300 --> 00:33:16,800
just graduation 1973?
The reports of break-ins in

552
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,900
Rancho Cordova, begin to start.
Absolutely.

553
00:33:18,900 --> 00:33:21,300
Now, this is different than more
move most burglaries though.

554
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,200
He would show up outside of
people's windows with no pants

555
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:30,900
on.
He would break in, he wouldn't

556
00:33:30,900 --> 00:33:33,900
steal anything, but he would
like molest the person while

557
00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:36,400
they were sleeping and then run
away when she broke up.

558
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,200
He's like, maybe he would still
coin our rang.

559
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,200
He hit a few houses every night
and he was known to also kill

560
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:48,500
family dogs. now,
coincidentally, remember I said

561
00:33:48,500 --> 00:33:54,300
that she saw Joe in the mall
that day The woman that she saw

562
00:33:54,300 --> 00:34:00,700
him with was future wife, Sharon
Marie, huddle, and Joseph met

563
00:34:00,700 --> 00:34:06,000
Sharon after he, and Bonnie
split, Sharon was 17 and Joseph

564
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,500
was 26.
She was a freshman at American

565
00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:13,100
River College in North
Sacramento studying law.

566
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,400
And as We Know Joe is still
analysis.

567
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,100
Actually, you don't know, but
he's now transferred to a new

568
00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:25,100
college and he's studying
criminology So the future lawyer

569
00:34:25,100 --> 00:34:28,199
and the future cop match made in
heaven, right?

570
00:34:30,500 --> 00:34:32,699
Very quickly.
Like they start they start

571
00:34:32,699 --> 00:34:34,400
eating right?
As soon as the semester starts

572
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:40,100
1971 and he she's like coming.
Yeah sure summer of 1971,

573
00:34:40,100 --> 00:34:42,600
Sharon's older, brother James
Huddle's there with both of the

574
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:47,000
parents James was 20 and even
though he didn't live with the

575
00:34:47,007 --> 00:34:49,600
family anymore they would still
like come over and have like

576
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,100
family dinners.
Now, Joseph is all smiles and

577
00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:55,600
full of stories about he was in
the Navy for two years.

578
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,000
He was in Vietnam, Sharon's
brother.

579
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,100
James was in the Navy room.
Nerves.

580
00:35:01,300 --> 00:35:05,200
That creates some kind of
camaraderie Joseph's.

581
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,700
Like, I'm looking for a place to
stay since I just, you know,

582
00:35:07,700 --> 00:35:12,500
started at this new school and
James is like, well, I have a

583
00:35:12,500 --> 00:35:15,900
friend like I live in a place
and we have like an empty room.

584
00:35:15,900 --> 00:35:18,200
My friend who owns the house.
It's in Citrus Heights.

585
00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:24,000
You want to talk to him?
So, Joseph moves in and that

586
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,900
friendly setup.
Last barely any time, literally

587
00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:29,400
the, the guy who owns the house
kicks.

588
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,200
Joseph out in like two months
and so as Joseph is leaving,

589
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,000
he's just like you're going to
be next buddy.

590
00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:40,100
And he was a wrong because
apparently a month after that,

591
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,300
the guy kicked James out for
smoking.

592
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,400
So maybe that guy just did want
people to really live in his

593
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,100
house like once you like invite
people to live with you and then

594
00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:51,800
you realize like how roommates
are like, maybe you just don't

595
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,200
People to live with you, but
regardless Joseph gets a

596
00:35:54,207 --> 00:35:58,000
two-bedroom and he's like, you
want to live with me?

597
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,800
It was an ideal pairing, both of
them through the military have

598
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,400
been trained to live neatly but
nobody in the Huddle family

599
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,400
really knows much about Joseph.
Definitely not what happened

600
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,700
with Bonnie or that he had a
pension for killing animals.

601
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,500
But those two years between 1971
and 73 are great for Joseph he

602
00:36:19,500 --> 00:36:23,400
and Sharon are doing great
Joseph and James become best

603
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,000
buddies.
They fly together.

604
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,500
Go dirt bike, riding other
thrill-seeking stuff.

605
00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:30,800
And then come the cat burglar
reports.

606
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,100
For most of my life, I assume
that a cat burglar was just an

607
00:36:35,100 --> 00:36:42,500
old timey term for burglary.
But actually what it means is a

608
00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:47,200
skilled burglar who gets in and
out when people are there.

609
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:52,800
No.
I didn't so Cordova's, well

610
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,600
Cordova's cat Burgers, active
from 1970 to 1973 and it's over,

611
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,300
it's over 30 homes.
During the time, he was usually

612
00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:01,500
do it.
When the family was sleeping in

613
00:37:01,500 --> 00:37:06,400
one door and out another, there
were other cities to and and

614
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,200
their moments when there are
gaps.

615
00:37:09,300 --> 00:37:13,100
In Cordova the Pete, Police
noticed that he also hit Citrus,

616
00:37:13,100 --> 00:37:15,700
Heights and other cities all
cities.

617
00:37:15,700 --> 00:37:19,600
It seems like Joe has a
connection to He mainly just

618
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:25,700
deals purses wallets, you know
money, but the thing with the

619
00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:30,500
touching the ladies happens
again and sometimes showing up

620
00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:38,400
with just penis out.
Sometimes like he just like

621
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,200
break-in and be standing next to
the bed like Paranormal

622
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,300
Activity, just staring at people
and then he would like grab a

623
00:37:45,308 --> 00:37:50,500
lady's boob and then when she
wakes up it just runs away.

624
00:37:50,500 --> 00:37:55,400
Yeah.
One of the catcher and when she

625
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,000
woke up he told her and I just
stole a dollar off of your

626
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,200
trusty.
She I think she was just kind of

627
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,400
in a weird like State.
She was like what it back.

628
00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:08,800
He put $2 back on the counter
and then walk down the hallway.

629
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,800
Stopped to look at the woman 17
year old daughter sleeping and

630
00:38:11,808 --> 00:38:18,100
then picked off some money up.
now, the connection here,

631
00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:23,400
between the original burglar and
this one in Cordova, the Cordova

632
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:28,500
cat burglar, is that He's
killing dogs.

633
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,100
Of course, the weirdness with
sometimes burglarizing with no

634
00:38:37,100 --> 00:38:39,100
pants on.
That was also a very clear

635
00:38:39,100 --> 00:38:44,300
connection between the two and
some of these homes get hit

636
00:38:44,300 --> 00:38:49,800
again when the East area rapist
becomes active and what it seems

637
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,700
like on most is that he's
stealing things that are

638
00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:57,300
unimportant but they're trophies
to him but the like normally

639
00:38:57,300 --> 00:39:00,000
they commit a crime and then
they take a trophy to remember.

640
00:39:00,100 --> 00:39:02,600
It's almost like he's Bring them
first.

641
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,700
And then he comes back years
later and rapes, the person it's

642
00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:11,500
possible but we're not there yet
a couple more years.

643
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,900
Now, James huddle mind, you he's
living with Joseph now and he

644
00:39:15,900 --> 00:39:18,100
remembers a lot of strange
moments.

645
00:39:18,100 --> 00:39:21,800
What when they were roommates
before he is sister and Joseph.

646
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,400
Get married Joseph's very
competitive when it comes to

647
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,000
virtually everything.
Even cars dirt bike so James

648
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,800
gets a nice car.
Joseph buys one slightly better

649
00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:36,000
Joseph by the dirt bike.
I'm sorry.

650
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,200
James buys a dirt bike.
Joseph is like I'm gonna get

651
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,000
one.
Slightly better. now, there's

652
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:48,200
what James calls it, his book,
the road rage incident, Is a

653
00:39:48,207 --> 00:39:51,600
moment I think in history that
James looked back on as a

654
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,400
warning sign that he never
realized it happens just before

655
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,100
Joseph's College graduation in
1972.

656
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,600
The two of them are driving on
Route 40 in Sacramento Joseph.

657
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,300
Very aggressively Burks the car
into a lane in front of another

658
00:40:06,300 --> 00:40:08,900
driver James gives the guy the
finger.

659
00:40:08,900 --> 00:40:11,600
That's what you do when you're
the passenger and then when the

660
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,700
car behind them gets close and
tries to pass Joseph, like Yanks

661
00:40:15,700 --> 00:40:17,600
it, front of them again, just to
be a jerk.

662
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,900
So then the two cars, pull into
a McDonald's parking.

663
00:40:20,900 --> 00:40:22,800
Lot.
Joseph hops out of the car,

664
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,600
opens the trunk and the other
two guys are walking over.

665
00:40:25,700 --> 00:40:28,800
Joseph pulls a 357 Magnum on the
other two dudes.

666
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:34,400
Like you got a problem with us.
Of course, the two men run away

667
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,900
immediately.
And James looks at Joseph.

668
00:40:37,900 --> 00:40:43,100
It is like you can't do that.
Not if you want to be a cop, but

669
00:40:43,100 --> 00:40:45,100
Joseph kind of shrugged it off.
Yeah.

670
00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:49,000
First time he sees his friend
and roommate do something,

671
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:54,100
that's actually scary and James
decides to keep it to himself in

672
00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:55,900
his book.
He refers to this as a little

673
00:40:55,900 --> 00:41:00,400
red flag and he says, and I
quote little red flags can add

674
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:06,000
up Graduation comes Joseph is in
a prime position to be a great

675
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,600
asset to any Police Department
because in the 70s, it was not

676
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,900
common for police officers to
have bachelor's degrees even now

677
00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:15,800
only about 30% of them have like
bachelor's degrees.

678
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,200
So it was even lower back that
he was a perfect candidate.

679
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,100
He had a degree former military
training.

680
00:41:21,300 --> 00:41:24,900
In fact, he was probably over
qualified for the job that he

681
00:41:24,900 --> 00:41:28,700
really wanted James continues to
be his roommate.

682
00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:31,800
Sharon contains data.
It's early 1973.

683
00:41:32,300 --> 00:41:35,700
Joseph and James go on a Hunting
Expedition, and James spins, do

684
00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:39,900
realize that this hunting is, it
means something extra to Joseph.

685
00:41:40,700 --> 00:41:43,500
There's a situation where they
were supposed to be hunting

686
00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:46,500
jack, rabbits and like Joseph
gives him a gun that's entirely

687
00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:50,300
overpowered and he urges James
to make the kill.

688
00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:54,200
And when they go, look at the
body of little Jackrabbit, it's

689
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:59,800
completely destroyed.
Just obliterated and Joseph

690
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,800
excited.
Like, look at how this look at

691
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:10,200
it. so, you know, and James is
like This isn't why I was We

692
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:16,500
were supposed to eat that again.
Yeah, another little red flag.

693
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:25,900
Just make the stripping burglary
start in Cordova Meadow, the cat

694
00:42:25,900 --> 00:42:28,500
burglar of Rancho Cordova almost
perfectly.

695
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,700
This burglar is not stealing
high-ticket items, he stealing

696
00:42:32,700 --> 00:42:36,300
nude pictures of women women's
earrings.

697
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,600
Car magnets, one time.
He dumped that a bottle of

698
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:44,700
codeine pills and stole just the
pill bottle, he was now the one

699
00:42:44,700 --> 00:42:46,900
big ticket item he did still
was, he was still guns.

700
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,500
But his Mo was breaking into the
kitchen door, open up a back

701
00:42:51,500 --> 00:42:53,500
bedroom, put the window screen
on the back.

702
00:42:53,500 --> 00:42:56,300
I'm plugged the furnace move all
the women's underwear into

703
00:42:56,300 --> 00:42:59,900
different rooms in the house.
Trash the kitchen a few times.

704
00:42:59,900 --> 00:43:02,900
He left burnt matches on the
floor it was very clear to

705
00:43:02,908 --> 00:43:04,100
police.
These aren't motivated by

706
00:43:04,100 --> 00:43:06,200
financial gain.
Which means for this burger is

707
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:10,300
getting some kind of high from
just wrecking people's houses.

708
00:43:11,900 --> 00:43:15,500
Touch it underwear.
Much of this won't make sense

709
00:43:15,500 --> 00:43:18,900
for another year or two, but
fucking are many of like I said,

710
00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:22,100
these, they call them, no loss,
robberies, these all become

711
00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:24,700
future homes that are Target's
for there for him when he's a

712
00:43:24,707 --> 00:43:28,100
rapist.
Now, the police also think this

713
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,900
strange burglar is responsible
for hang-up calls that keep

714
00:43:31,900 --> 00:43:34,600
happening.
He called us one teenage girl

715
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,900
multiple times and told her I
love you.

716
00:43:37,300 --> 00:43:39,200
I love you.
And then the last time he called

717
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,300
her, he said I love you.
This is your last night to live

718
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,300
The house where that girl lived
was next door to a future

719
00:43:46,300 --> 00:43:50,100
murder.
Now and may of 1973.

720
00:43:50,100 --> 00:43:54,400
Joseph becomes not just a police
officer, but a burglary unit,

721
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,400
police officer and Exeter
California.

722
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,400
Yep, he moves to Exeter for work
the to.

723
00:44:02,900 --> 00:44:09,000
Now James and Sharon get married
on September, mixing up the

724
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,900
names because Joe and James are
so close now.

725
00:44:11,900 --> 00:44:14,200
James gets married, on September
15th.

726
00:44:15,300 --> 00:44:20,600
And September 14th at 11 a.m. a
28 year old woman puts down her

727
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,300
baby for a nap.
When she hears a knock on the

728
00:44:22,300 --> 00:44:24,600
door, she ignores it, but grabs
her gun.

729
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,800
And then here's someone knocking
at the back of the house.

730
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,100
She catches a man breaking in
and he runs away.

731
00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:31,400
She makes sure all the windows
are locked and she calls her

732
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,100
husband who I just left for
work.

733
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,400
The attacker forces, the door
with such force that the nails

734
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,900
holding the lock into the door.
Break, the woman raises her gun

735
00:44:41,900 --> 00:44:44,500
at him and he walks away.
She calls the police.

736
00:44:44,700 --> 00:44:48,900
He breaks it again and tries to
steal the gun and it goes off.

737
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,800
And this time, he runs away for
good.

738
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,300
So, literally the night of James
rehearsal dinner.

739
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,600
Joseph was trying to like rape a
woman.

740
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,400
Now, a few months later in
November Sharon, and Joe get

741
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,300
married, they move into this
duplex.

742
00:45:11,300 --> 00:45:14,400
And Exeter Exeter is, a town
that only has five thousand.

743
00:45:15,700 --> 00:45:17,700
Pretty much Sharon is prepping
for law school.

744
00:45:18,100 --> 00:45:22,400
So she is spending all her time.
Studying Joseph is over educated

745
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,200
in a small Podunk town and
honestly, Exeter is still small

746
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:26,800
town.
It has like maybe 50,000 people

747
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:32,500
now.
One of the things I found just

748
00:45:32,500 --> 00:45:36,000
really interesting is that
Joseph takes issue with his

749
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,200
fellow officers, fudging the
reports.

750
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:44,400
He complained to James about how
he's like the other police

751
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,500
officers, falsified police
reports, and I'm not going to do

752
00:45:47,500 --> 00:45:50,200
that.
I said, what an interesting look

753
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,500
into the mind of a guy who can
tell right from wrong, but it

754
00:45:52,500 --> 00:46:02,500
doesn't apply to him.
Shortly after this move, Dexter

755
00:46:02,500 --> 00:46:06,800
the series boring.
So, you guys in the fall of 1973

756
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:12,500
1975, 150 homes are broken into.
The salya is a city.

757
00:46:12,500 --> 00:46:16,400
That is 12 miles from Exeter and
of course, he's telling Sharon

758
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:19,600
I'm working.
That's why I'm out.

759
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:24,600
So late every night, Again,
never taking much of monetary

760
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,600
value, a single earring, a
wedding.

761
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,600
Ring sub trading stamps,
sometimes he steals guns, those

762
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,500
are valuable.
But you knew that it was the

763
00:46:32,500 --> 00:46:34,400
Visalia ransack.
Or if you came home and your

764
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,200
panties were all over the house,
your family photo albums were

765
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,400
destroyed and there's a mess on
your bed.

766
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,800
Sometimes he would take kids
piggy banks, but it was never

767
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,700
like a major amount of cash
flow.

768
00:46:45,100 --> 00:46:49,100
My theory, right?
You stole from a child.

769
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,900
But my theory on this is that
the cop, he would know how much

770
00:46:52,900 --> 00:46:54,200
he could steal and have it be
deemed.

771
00:46:54,300 --> 00:47:02,300
Okay, that's still, that's so he
banks, but still get the high

772
00:47:02,300 --> 00:47:04,900
off of making people in an area
feeling safe.

773
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,200
Now, here's the thing in 1975,
he commits.

774
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:13,900
Over 120 burglars, burglaries.
Even and it really just that,

775
00:47:13,900 --> 00:47:18,200
that activity ramps up, There
were several attempted sexual

776
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,300
assault during this time, but
never fully cross.

777
00:47:20,300 --> 00:47:23,600
That threshold value PD
increased patrols, they put

778
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,900
officers inside of houses, that
hadn't been hit yet.

779
00:47:26,900 --> 00:47:29,900
But of course because Joseph is
a cop and he has access to other

780
00:47:29,900 --> 00:47:33,000
cops.
He could ask cops of the celje.

781
00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:35,000
Oh, where you put in people
tonight?

782
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,600
Sometimes he wears a face mask,
sometimes he doesn't.

783
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,000
There's a police sketch that was
put out, but it really wasn't

784
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,600
the best.
If you look at all the police

785
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:50,100
catches they do kind of look
like him, but depending on the

786
00:47:50,100 --> 00:47:55,100
year, He was fluctuating pretty
drastically and wait.

787
00:47:55,100 --> 00:47:58,800
So like sometimes he like a
chubby face, And sometimes he

788
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,300
looks very thin.
And so if you were looking at

789
00:48:02,700 --> 00:48:06,300
though the sketch from, when he
had a chubby face and now he's

790
00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:08,600
like thinner because he's been,
you know, working out more.

791
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,700
They don't connect anymore
because unfortunately outside of

792
00:48:13,700 --> 00:48:16,200
that it just looks like a
generic white guy.

793
00:48:18,700 --> 00:48:23,500
The, the sketches just look like
generic white guy. now, the

794
00:48:23,500 --> 00:48:26,400
first murder in the strings of
burglaries happens on September

795
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:31,400
11th 1975, And this is a crime
that has now been attributed to

796
00:48:31,408 --> 00:48:35,500
Joseph, but it wasn't originally
at was Claude Snelling.

797
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,700
And what the police believe
happened is that the Visalia

798
00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:41,800
ransack or broke into the house
and attempted to kidnap plot

799
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,600
Snelling 16 year old daughter.
Elizabeth quat was a journalism

800
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,600
professor and when he woke up to
the attack, he jumped to action.

801
00:48:50,300 --> 00:48:55,800
In fact, chasing Joseph out of
the house.

802
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,700
And getting fatally shot when
they were somewhere in the

803
00:49:00,700 --> 00:49:03,500
distance.
Police did find shoe inference

804
00:49:03,500 --> 00:49:06,500
that would connect him to the
other ransack or houses and the

805
00:49:06,500 --> 00:49:08,700
gun that was used to kill.
Claude was stolen from one of

806
00:49:08,707 --> 00:49:12,800
the other houses that have been
hit but Joseph, couldn't be

807
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,000
charged for this murder for
another 40 years.

808
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,000
Now, at this stage of their
lives, Joseph and Sharon are

809
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,700
doing pretty good, shared that
is at McGeorge School of Law, in

810
00:49:22,700 --> 00:49:26,800
Sacramento and Joe decides that
he wants to move up in life

811
00:49:27,300 --> 00:49:30,400
Exeter is too small for me.
And so he takes a job with the

812
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,400
Auburn Police to marbet.
And that is when the East area

813
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:39,800
rapists, assaults began
Happening Now, Joe's escalation

814
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,600
from burglar to rapist is quite
abrupt but his methodology is

815
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:47,800
precise, he still crying The
doors or Windows of the houses,

816
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,200
he's wearing a ski mask, he
shines a flashlight into the eye

817
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,200
of the victim ties them up with
a.

818
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,100
Not he learned in the military
called a diamond.

819
00:49:55,100 --> 00:49:58,400
Not he rapes a woman of the
house and when the sexual

820
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,500
assaults over, he does exactly
like he did before.

821
00:50:02,300 --> 00:50:05,200
Completely trashed the house,
take small items like ranks,

822
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:09,900
maybe some coins, small amounts
of cash, he leaves but instead

823
00:50:09,900 --> 00:50:12,000
of going on the main road, he
jumps through the neighbors

824
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,700
backyards.
Now, Joe only gets officially

825
00:50:15,700 --> 00:50:18,400
charged with 10 of these rapes,
because many of them were past

826
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,500
the statute of limitations in
California.

827
00:50:20,900 --> 00:50:23,900
But there were a total of 50
attacks by the East are rapist

828
00:50:23,900 --> 00:50:29,000
from 1976 to 1979.
All of these attacks were 20 to

829
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,600
30 miles from where Joseph and
Sharon lived.

830
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:38,500
Many of the victims did not wish
to share their names in any

831
00:50:38,500 --> 00:50:42,900
books about Joseph DeAngelo.
So I will continue that process

832
00:50:43,100 --> 00:50:47,600
of an honorable death.
The attacks of 1976 started.

833
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,000
As I mentioned, There Were Ten
of them from Junie teeth to

834
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,600
December, 18th.
And then things, escalated 1977.

835
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,800
Brought 19 more.
He would call these victims

836
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,000
before hand hanging up on them
or telling them like sexual

837
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,200
things.
Police are definitely aware that

838
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,000
he seems to be casing.
The houses to see who is there.

839
00:51:07,300 --> 00:51:09,600
I made sense, because there was
a woman attacked and you were a

840
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:14,000
teen who wasn't assaulted until
her husband left to go to work.

841
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,900
Like, almost like we're 15
minutes later, Joseph breaks

842
00:51:17,900 --> 00:51:20,900
into the house.
There was another young woman

843
00:51:20,900 --> 00:51:24,600
who was attacked her January
24th and she had like, a

844
00:51:24,607 --> 00:51:27,400
gathering of all her friends.
And as soon as all of her

845
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:34,100
friends left the house he broke
in So it was not even that like

846
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,000
he was preparing this ahead of
time but he was sitting waiting

847
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:42,200
and watching to make sure that
anybody who could be a witness

848
00:51:42,500 --> 00:51:48,500
was gone.
There's even one where he waited

849
00:51:48,500 --> 00:51:53,000
like he waited and watched until
like a teenage girl was

850
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,900
essentially like her parents
weren't there for a very brief

851
00:51:57,900 --> 00:52:05,900
moment and He sets it up, like,
it was like 15 minutes and she's

852
00:52:05,900 --> 00:52:08,600
alone.
He sets it up, he takes her out

853
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,800
of the house and he makes it
look like she left of her own

854
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,200
accord, and then tries to
assault her and the canals back

855
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:19,600
behind her home.
So these are very very

856
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:25,500
premeditated.
The thing is while he is

857
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:31,700
meticulous and some ways.
He's in other ways he's not so

858
00:52:31,700 --> 00:52:37,200
he's planning the, the assaults
down to a to the like minutes.

859
00:52:38,500 --> 00:52:41,500
But if something happens that
he's not prepared for, he just

860
00:52:41,500 --> 00:52:43,400
pulls out a gun and shoots a
bystander.

861
00:52:45,300 --> 00:52:47,700
Yep.
Or if someone shows up, he's not

862
00:52:47,700 --> 00:52:50,600
prepared for he grabs the
victim's car keys and drives

863
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,300
away.
Drops the car off in another

864
00:52:52,300 --> 00:52:55,100
town without the key.
Swings it out there that this is

865
00:52:55,100 --> 00:52:59,200
not going away.
Now cost these hundred and fifty

866
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,900
a sexual assaults, you have
Rancho Cordova Carmichael,

867
00:53:02,900 --> 00:53:07,400
Citrus Heights, Sacramento arted
arcade Orangevale, Parkway

868
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:12,300
Stockton La, riviere Foot Hill,
Farms, Modesto, Davis, conquered

869
00:53:12,300 --> 00:53:17,200
San Ramon, San Jose, Danville
Fremont, Walnut Creek.

870
00:53:18,100 --> 00:53:20,900
These are all the towns.
He hits during these two years

871
00:53:21,500 --> 00:53:25,000
and it wasn't like the police
weren't up on it and we'll talk

872
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,200
more about like the task force.
Is that pop up.

873
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,300
In this time period, when we
talk about this next week,

874
00:53:29,300 --> 00:53:31,000
because it's a lot of details in
there.

875
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:36,400
Are some definite people who did
some good work but were limited

876
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:40,500
with with the science, they had
at the time and the neighbors

877
00:53:40,500 --> 00:53:43,200
were trying to help too.
They would call in reports of

878
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,000
Prowlers, if there was anybody
who was stopping their car,

879
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,600
didn't recognize, they were
calling them in, like, the

880
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:53,200
neighbors are trying to help.
Now, one of them ones are more

881
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:54,700
bizarre.
Rapes happens in September of

882
00:53:54,700 --> 00:53:58,200
1977, when Joseph breaks into a
woman's home ties up her

883
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:02,900
husband, raped her twice and
then spends another 90 minutes

884
00:54:02,900 --> 00:54:06,500
in the house, just doing
nothing.

885
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,100
It's like he's not even afraid
of getting caught in any more.

886
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:13,900
Yep.
Yep.

887
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,200
They're both tied up, husband
and wife and he was just walking

888
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,500
around checking the fridge, grab
it, and just chilling there with

889
00:54:21,500 --> 00:54:22,800
her husband.
Still tied up.

890
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:30,000
Just an extra violation.
And of course, like, this isn't,

891
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,900
he's threatening them to I mean,
because a lot of the people

892
00:54:32,900 --> 00:54:40,000
after he was gone or able to,
like, get out of the knots, but

893
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,100
it's if you move, I'm going to
shoot you.

894
00:54:42,700 --> 00:54:44,600
If you move, you're not going to
make it through the rest of the

895
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:50,100
night.
So and he has guns and he shows

896
00:54:50,100 --> 00:54:53,500
them so and he's not afraid to
shoot people, we definitely know

897
00:54:53,500 --> 00:54:55,800
that because in the news,
they're reporting that there are

898
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,300
situations where this guy's
running from a house and he

899
00:54:58,300 --> 00:55:00,700
shoots Bystanders.
So people know that he seriously

900
00:55:00,700 --> 00:55:04,500
doesn't mind killing people.
So I guess some of the victims

901
00:55:04,500 --> 00:55:12,400
are just like Let's not die.
And the media were definitely on

902
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,800
this case, they reported on
every single case.

903
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,500
He virtually has a connection to
all of the city's he's hitting.

904
00:55:20,900 --> 00:55:24,300
Now, he avoids, the town, he's
living in Auburn, but his sister

905
00:55:24,300 --> 00:55:27,300
still lives in Rancho Cordova
still share, its parents live in

906
00:55:27,300 --> 00:55:31,100
Citrus Heights, Sharon's brother
and his wife live in Orangevale

907
00:55:31,300 --> 00:55:35,500
all towns east of Sacramento,
hence, the East area rapist.

908
00:55:36,100 --> 00:55:40,000
Joseph loves to talk to his
family and co-workers about the

909
00:55:40,008 --> 00:55:42,700
East area.
Rapist, he brings it up randomly

910
00:55:42,700 --> 00:55:45,100
when he visits James at his
house.

911
00:55:49,700 --> 00:55:52,900
He even offers to check James's
home security system.

912
00:55:53,100 --> 00:55:57,100
To make sure that James his wife
Cindy is saying, of course she

913
00:55:57,100 --> 00:56:01,700
does, and it's so fake because
of course, James is safe.

914
00:56:02,500 --> 00:56:05,300
Joseph was gonna break into
their home and lot like, because

915
00:56:05,300 --> 00:56:11,100
didn't James would know, it was
him, And, you know, James tells

916
00:56:11,100 --> 00:56:14,500
them what to look for and Joseph
tells him what to look for in

917
00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:18,700
James trust his brother-in-law.
Yeah, by the end of 1977, there

918
00:56:18,700 --> 00:56:21,800
are 29 rapes that shows no sign
of stopping.

919
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,700
At the end of December, though,
someone claiming to be the

920
00:56:24,700 --> 00:56:27,000
easier.
Rapist sends a poem called,

921
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,900
excitements crave to the
Sacramento Bee a newspaper, the

922
00:56:30,900 --> 00:56:34,700
mayor's office and the
television station kvie because

923
00:56:34,700 --> 00:56:36,500
I had to hear this horrible
poems.

924
00:56:36,500 --> 00:56:40,800
So do you?
Let's listen to some horrible.

925
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:46,200
Poetry from a rapist.
Says all those Mortals surviving

926
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:50,200
Bertha, post a signature, take
inventory of their Worth to

927
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:54,000
prevailing Society.
Choosing values become a task

928
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:58,500
oneself must seek satisfaction.
The selected route will unmask

929
00:56:58,500 --> 00:57:02,700
character when plans take action
accepting, some work to perform

930
00:57:02,900 --> 00:57:05,500
and fixed pay.
But promise for more is the

931
00:57:05,500 --> 00:57:10,300
recognize social Norm as is
decorum seeking more achieving

932
00:57:10,300 --> 00:57:14,100
While others lifting should be
cause for deserving Fame lie.

933
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,400
Attempts excitement-seeking,
what's right and expected seems

934
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,500
tame, Jesse James has been seen
by all and Son of Sam has an

935
00:57:21,500 --> 00:57:24,800
author others.
Now feel Temptations, call

936
00:57:24,900 --> 00:57:29,500
Sacramento, should make an offer
to make a movie of my life that

937
00:57:29,500 --> 00:57:33,300
will pay for my planned Exile.
Just now I'd like to add the

938
00:57:33,300 --> 00:57:37,100
wife of a mafia Lord to my file
your East.

939
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,200
I'm not done yet.
You're East area.

940
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:44,600
Rapist and deserving past.
See you in the press or Or on

941
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:46,700
TV.
Oh my gosh.

942
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:57,000
I feel like you would like it.
Shut the fuck up.

943
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:05,700
Indeed, indeed 1978.
My it was terrible in.

944
00:58:05,700 --> 00:58:17,900
So just fucking the east.
Rapist at family events 1978

945
00:58:17,900 --> 00:58:19,500
starts with an attack on two
teen girls.

946
00:58:19,500 --> 00:58:22,600
Not far from the American River
Community College, Sharon's

947
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:26,200
alma, mater, alma mater.
The parents find the two girls

948
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,100
tied up when they come home.
And the girls report that he

949
00:58:29,100 --> 00:58:31,500
wore a ski mask had a gun, and
had a knife.

950
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,100
His second murder happens in
February 2nd 1978.

951
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,300
That's husband and wife, Brian
and Katie Mae.

952
00:58:38,300 --> 00:58:42,200
She or they were walking through
Cordova Meadows with their dog.

953
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:46,000
A neighbor reported seeing the
attacker and the family running

954
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,200
through a section of fencing
that had been blown down in the

955
00:58:48,207 --> 00:58:51,000
storm.
The neighbor actually witnessed

956
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,300
a couple, get shot and called
911, but the measure is both

957
00:58:54,300 --> 00:58:58,100
died at the hospital.
The police are looking at all of

958
00:58:58,100 --> 00:59:01,300
this and they are discovering
that when you kind of look at

959
00:59:01,308 --> 00:59:04,700
the crimes, they all happen
within a third mile, radius of

960
00:59:04,700 --> 00:59:07,200
each other.
And so, the police began

961
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:12,300
focusing on going through
roughly, 30,000 crime reports to

962
00:59:12,300 --> 00:59:14,100
try and make sense of the
murders.

963
00:59:16,500 --> 00:59:19,600
During this time, they also find
that Cordova Meadows has dozens

964
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:23,200
of reports of hang-up calls
leading to that murder one

965
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,000
woman.
Got a call every night at 8 p.m.

966
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:31,000
there are Prowler and Cat
burglars like style calls being

967
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,000
reported to by March the East
area.

968
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,900
Rapist is back in it again.
There are 14 more rates that

969
00:59:36,900 --> 00:59:39,400
happen.
This year, nine different police

970
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,700
sketches are released to the
public about half of them, look

971
00:59:42,700 --> 00:59:47,500
accurate.
Now later in 1978, 15 of his

972
00:59:47,500 --> 00:59:50,000
victims, have a luncheon to
discuss their experiences.

973
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,900
And they are all surprised to
see that they all look the same

974
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:55,900
and they have similar
backgrounds.

975
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:59,400
Almost all the women were upper
middle class and had dark hair

976
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,600
who, and what you wonder who in
Joseph's life is upper middle

977
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:07,600
class and has dark hair.
His wife.

978
01:00:12,300 --> 01:00:15,700
Now there's a different
investigation happening

979
01:00:15,700 --> 01:00:19,600
virtually, every time he hits
now during my evil which

980
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:23,300
happened to be the 42nd rape,
police get alerted to the

981
01:00:23,300 --> 01:00:25,000
strange car.
Parked a neighborhood and they

982
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:26,500
find these three notebook
sheets.

983
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:30,100
The first page is a homework
essay about General Custer.

984
01:00:30,500 --> 01:00:33,200
The second sheet looks like a
journal entry, describing a

985
01:00:33,207 --> 01:00:36,900
teacher, he million the offer
when I read to you.

986
01:00:36,900 --> 01:00:41,800
It's weird but Matt is the word,
the word that reminds me of

987
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,300
sixth grade.
I hated that Year.

988
01:00:43,300 --> 01:00:46,300
I wish I had known it was going
to be going on during my sixth

989
01:00:46,300 --> 01:00:48,400
grade year.
The last and worst year of

990
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,800
Elementary School.
Matt is the word that remains in

991
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:52,800
my head about my Dreadful year
as a sixth grader.

992
01:00:53,100 --> 01:00:55,200
My madness was one, that was
caused by disappointments.

993
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,200
That hurt me very much, the same
point was, for my teacher, such

994
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,100
as field trips that were planned
than cancelled.

995
01:01:00,500 --> 01:01:03,500
And there are loads of
misspellings here.

996
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:06,500
That's a great teacher.
Gave me a lot of disappointments

997
01:01:06,500 --> 01:01:09,500
which made me very mad and both
state of hatred in my heart.

998
01:01:09,500 --> 01:01:12,500
No one ever let me down that
hard before and I never hated

999
01:01:12,700 --> 01:01:16,000
anyone as much as I did him.
It's equipment was the only

1000
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:17,300
reason that made me mad and
sixth grade.

1001
01:01:17,300 --> 01:01:20,500
Another was getting in trouble
School especially talking,

1002
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:22,300
that's what really bugged me was
writing sentences.

1003
01:01:22,300 --> 01:01:25,000
Those awful sense is that my
teacher made me, write, hours

1004
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:28,100
and hours.
I'd sit and write 50, 100 150,

1005
01:01:28,100 --> 01:01:29,800
sentence day, and night.
I wrote those Dreadful

1006
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,900
paragraphs, which embarrass me
and more important made me

1007
01:01:32,900 --> 01:01:35,800
ashamed of myself.
What you turn deep down made me

1008
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:37,800
realize that writing sentences
wasn't fair.

1009
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:39,600
It wasn't fair to make me suffer
like that.

1010
01:01:39,900 --> 01:01:44,200
It just wasn't fair to make me
sit and write until my bones

1011
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,500
ache.
And so my hand felt horrid pain.

1012
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,900
I got madder and madder until I
cried and I cried because I was

1013
01:01:49,900 --> 01:01:52,500
ashamed that cried because I was
disgusted.

1014
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,800
I cried, because I was mad.
And I cried for myself, the kid

1015
01:01:55,900 --> 01:01:58,000
kept on having the right this
damn sentences.

1016
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:01,300
My angriness from 6th grade will
scar my memory for life, and

1017
01:02:01,300 --> 01:02:03,700
I'll be ashamed of my sixth
grade year forever.

1018
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,600
And then the final page was a
map of a neighborhood with the

1019
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:12,000
word punishment on it.
Now, the map wasn't a perfect

1020
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,400
replica of Danville, but the
cops determined, it looked like

1021
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:16,700
some sort of fantasy killing
ground.

1022
01:02:16,900 --> 01:02:19,900
And they do believe that this
may have been written by Joseph,

1023
01:02:21,500 --> 01:02:25,300
I don't know.
But just another weird detail

1024
01:02:25,300 --> 01:02:29,000
for you.
At the beginning of 1979, there

1025
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,700
are no rapes and then they start
again in March and six more

1026
01:02:31,700 --> 01:02:37,500
happen until July and the rapes
stopped Yeah and I think it's

1027
01:02:37,500 --> 01:02:41,400
because in August Joseph got
caught shoplifting dog repellent

1028
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:45,200
and a hammer from a pay and save
these items only cost twenty

1029
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:50,900
dollars but the store cloak was
a beast because he liked tackle

1030
01:02:50,900 --> 01:02:56,200
Joseph and tied him to a chair.
So in the Auburn PD showed up.

1031
01:02:58,100 --> 01:03:02,600
They see one of their own tied
to a chair by a civilian, he

1032
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:11,900
suspended immediately.
In October a jury, finds him

1033
01:03:11,900 --> 01:03:14,700
guilty of misdemeanor theft.
He gets a hundred dollar fine on

1034
01:03:14,700 --> 01:03:17,400
a six-month probation.
He files an appeal in November

1035
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,400
but gonna fall through with it.
Joseph told his family that he

1036
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,700
had put the items in his
waistband just to see if they

1037
01:03:22,700 --> 01:03:27,000
fit their not to steal them.
But he is livid with auburn PD

1038
01:03:27,300 --> 01:03:31,200
and expresses a desire with
James to kill his bosses.

1039
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,400
Joseph told his family that in
the end, there was some kind of

1040
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:39,800
settlement with auburn PD, but
there's no record of that.

1041
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:44,700
And with this, the Eastern
rapist stops.

1042
01:03:45,900 --> 01:03:48,700
However, the emotional trauma of
these events go on to haunt the

1043
01:03:48,700 --> 01:03:52,200
victims.
He was sadistic, sometimes he'd

1044
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,200
Force deliver the tie up their
husbands.

1045
01:03:54,500 --> 01:03:57,600
He would put a stack of dishes
on the husband's body so that he

1046
01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:59,700
struggled and knocked it over,
he would know.

1047
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,400
Interestingly enough, some of
the victims said that the actual

1048
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,300
rate part only lasted for a
minute or so, but the rest of

1049
01:04:06,300 --> 01:04:08,500
the time he would make these
threats and then he would walk

1050
01:04:08,500 --> 01:04:11,200
through the house for hours,
just wrecking stuff.

1051
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,300
Like I said he'd get a beer he'd
watch TV while they were tied

1052
01:04:15,300 --> 01:04:18,100
up.
There was one final attempt on

1053
01:04:18,100 --> 01:04:23,000
October 1st 1979 a few weeks
before his court date a couple

1054
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:26,200
and galleta California near
Santa Barbara where attacked the

1055
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:29,200
woman said she heard the robber
walking back and forth saying

1056
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:32,400
over and over I'm going to kill
you and the woman ran for the

1057
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,400
door but he caught her.
And when she screamed her

1058
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:39,300
husband jumped out of bed to
help Joseph foot on a bike.

1059
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:45,800
I gotta take a regular bicycle.
And the couple actually lived

1060
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,900
next door to an FDR officer who
happened to be home when is it

1061
01:04:48,900 --> 01:04:50,500
up chasing him in his own
vehicle?

1062
01:04:50,700 --> 01:04:53,500
But Joseph ditch the bike is her
hopping fences.

1063
01:04:56,100 --> 01:04:58,800
Now, December 30th 1979.
The police think that Joseph

1064
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,400
killed again.
The victims here are orthopedic

1065
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,100
surgeon, Robert Offerman, and
his wife, Deborah Manning.

1066
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,300
They were found in their home
and galleta, which is just like

1067
01:05:07,300 --> 01:05:12,600
before near Santa Barbara.
Both were bound naked and had

1068
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,400
been shot almost execution
style, but Robert had two

1069
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,300
additional shots to the back.
The bullets were off from 38

1070
01:05:18,300 --> 01:05:20,800
caliber bullet, from a 38
caliber gun.

1071
01:05:21,900 --> 01:05:24,800
Now, there have been burglaries
in this area before the murder

1072
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:30,100
and 1979 showed a increase in
homicides, in Santa Barbara

1073
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,600
which is usually a.
It's a pretty quiet Beach.

1074
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:37,300
Town that had was known for its
fitness and health businesses in

1075
01:05:37,300 --> 01:05:42,100
the 70s.
The beginning of 1980 brings

1076
01:05:42,100 --> 01:05:44,700
change for Joseph and Sharon.
They buy a house in Citrus

1077
01:05:44,700 --> 01:05:47,700
Heights and Sharon finishes up
her schooling and begins looking

1078
01:05:47,700 --> 01:05:50,600
for a job as attorney.
At one point, they're living in

1079
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:54,400
two homes, as Sharon is living
and working in LA and Joe is

1080
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:58,300
staying in Citrus Heights.
This is important because there

1081
01:05:58,300 --> 01:06:03,000
are some crimes that happen near
I'll lay, and it makes sense

1082
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,100
because he would have been
traveling back and forth to

1083
01:06:05,100 --> 01:06:09,400
visit her.
So, that would be March 16. 1980

1084
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,200
Lyman Smith and his wife.
Charlene are both executed in

1085
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:15,500
their home.
They were found naked and bound

1086
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,200
this time.
However, the attacker had used a

1087
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:21,000
log to beat the both of them to
death.

1088
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:24,000
It was a pretty gruesome scene
and even more horribly.

1089
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:28,600
They were found by Gary Smith.
Lions 12 year old son, Gary

1090
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:32,100
lived with his mother and
Charlene was his mother-in-law,

1091
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,800
and so he would come over like,
on the weekends and he would mow

1092
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,500
his dad's lawn and he found his
father's body.

1093
01:06:38,700 --> 01:06:43,200
Maybe that's what he was doing.
Just that interestingly enough,

1094
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,500
the houses aren't being trashed
anymore.

1095
01:06:46,700 --> 01:06:51,300
But one thing that he is leaving
behind that he didn't leave

1096
01:06:51,300 --> 01:07:00,400
behind really was for was the
semen sample. which, Which we

1097
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:03,000
know will L be connected to
Joseph.

1098
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:07,200
Now for people in California,
the city of Ventura is 400-mile,

1099
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:11,900
cute little area.
So we're talking about roughly

1100
01:07:12,100 --> 01:07:18,700
what, like 30 in Cordova,
another hundred and fifty in the

1101
01:07:18,700 --> 01:07:25,700
Sacramento area.
Now and now, 400 miles away.

1102
01:07:28,100 --> 01:07:31,000
We have killings happening for
the police.

1103
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,600
These don't make sense that they
would be connected because they

1104
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:36,000
don't know that Sharon is
working in LA.

1105
01:07:37,500 --> 01:07:42,500
So he has reason to be in LA.
And so that's why these crimes

1106
01:07:42,500 --> 01:07:45,100
are happening here.
But for people who didn't know,

1107
01:07:45,100 --> 01:07:47,800
it was him, obviously.
They didn't have any reason to

1108
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:51,000
assume that the person who they
would name the original Night

1109
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:55,400
Stalker.
Is the same person as the East

1110
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:59,400
area rapist.
The next murder happened on

1111
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:04,000
August 21st, 1980 another couple
Keith and Patrice Harrington.

1112
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,900
They are found in their home and
Laguna Niguel California.

1113
01:08:07,300 --> 01:08:10,700
They were in their beds and
unlike the prior to they sure to

1114
01:08:10,700 --> 01:08:14,400
home with Keith's older Father.
Robert Keefe was a medical

1115
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:18,100
student at UC Irvine and Patrice
was a nurse and just like with a

1116
01:08:18,108 --> 01:08:19,399
Smith's.
They were bludgeoned with a

1117
01:08:19,399 --> 01:08:21,600
piece of wood and they had marks
on their wrists showing.

1118
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:25,200
They've been bound at some point
but he cut them loose when he

1119
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:29,100
was done.
Patrice was sexually assaulted

1120
01:08:29,100 --> 01:08:31,399
in the police.
Did recover semen from her body?

1121
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:35,000
This crime took place an Engaged
Community, which is definitely

1122
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:38,600
very alarming for the community.
But she also got a think a game

1123
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,899
is only useful.
If somebody is not intending to

1124
01:08:41,899 --> 01:08:49,899
get around it, But what this is
important for is that the people

1125
01:08:49,899 --> 01:08:53,600
who Joseph are attacking our,
what many people call low risk,

1126
01:08:54,700 --> 01:08:56,300
okay.
High-risk victims are people who

1127
01:08:56,300 --> 01:09:00,000
work on the street live on the
street homeless people runaways,

1128
01:09:00,300 --> 01:09:05,100
usually the general victims in a
lot of our cases, so the fact

1129
01:09:05,100 --> 01:09:07,899
that he is specifically
targeting people who should be

1130
01:09:07,899 --> 01:09:13,200
safe is scary.
He's taking nothing from the

1131
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:16,600
house and he is no longer
getting his jollies for making

1132
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:18,300
people.
Feel unsafe in their homes.

1133
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,700
He's escalated past the need to,
to taunt his victims.

1134
01:09:21,700 --> 01:09:24,399
After he rapes them, the new
highest murder.

1135
01:09:26,100 --> 01:09:28,700
The Killing stopped temporary
from the fall of 1980.

1136
01:09:28,700 --> 01:09:32,399
And to 1981, this is around the
time period where Sharon moves

1137
01:09:32,399 --> 01:09:35,800
back in with Joseph and she's
pregnant with her first child.

1138
01:09:36,100 --> 01:09:38,700
That first daughter is born,
September 1981.

1139
01:09:38,899 --> 01:09:44,600
Her name is Misha and Joseph
would kill Manuela women in

1140
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:48,399
Irvine, California in February
of 1981.

1141
01:09:49,700 --> 01:09:53,000
Now Manuela was a teller for
California, First National Bank

1142
01:09:53,300 --> 01:09:55,700
and her husband was actually in
the hospital and she was

1143
01:09:55,700 --> 01:09:59,000
attacked.
Another one that looks like he

1144
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:01,900
landed.
She was found wearing her

1145
01:10:01,900 --> 01:10:04,800
bathrobe and wrapped up
partially in a sleeping bag.

1146
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:07,000
She had been hit in the back of
the head, with a blunt object

1147
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:09,900
and had been tied up as well
semen found at the scene as

1148
01:10:09,900 --> 01:10:12,900
well.
Interestingly enough Joseph

1149
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:17,700
tormented manuela's husband and
his second wife for like another

1150
01:10:17,700 --> 01:10:21,600
decade.
He would call them and say he

1151
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:24,100
was going to kill them.
Just heavy breathing on the

1152
01:10:24,100 --> 01:10:26,400
phone.
The couple actually ended up

1153
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:30,600
moving away from California.
To get away from these phone

1154
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:35,000
calls and David wooden died in
2008.

1155
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:38,300
He actually did not get to ever
learn who killed his first wife.

1156
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:44,700
Rhonda David's, second wife said
that, when the feds showed like

1157
01:10:44,700 --> 01:10:49,000
played those old voicemails
again because they, they,

1158
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:52,000
they're a bunch of them from the
70s and to like 2001.

1159
01:10:52,300 --> 01:10:56,000
But when they replayed them
again, recently, she said she

1160
01:10:56,000 --> 01:11:01,600
recognized them from the phone
calls that she And David heard

1161
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:06,400
over the years.
Now, July 27th, 1980 one.

1162
01:11:07,300 --> 01:11:10,700
Another couple is killed and
galleta again.

1163
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:14,400
So the third hit and galleta.
Let's Greg Sanchez and Cherry

1164
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:18,600
Deming and Sherry Domingo.
Now, Sherry was house-sitting a

1165
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:20,400
home.
That were removed, the it

1166
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:23,500
belonged to a group of Errors
who are putting up for sale,

1167
01:11:23,500 --> 01:11:26,400
like one of their family members
died, but they wanted somebody

1168
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:29,600
at the home so that it wouldn't
be a target for thieves and

1169
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:32,000
usually Sherry had her daughter.
Stay with her.

1170
01:11:32,700 --> 01:11:34,800
When she was there at the, you
know, these things.

1171
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,900
But Sherry's daughter was out
with her friends, like at her

1172
01:11:37,900 --> 01:11:41,400
friend's house, that night and
more than likely, they think

1173
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:45,600
that Joseph saw this house
because he saw a mother and

1174
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:49,300
daughter coming and going.
Now, Greg was described in a lot

1175
01:11:49,300 --> 01:11:51,400
of the news articles as Sheree's
boyfriend.

1176
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,300
But according to family friends,
the two had broken up and they

1177
01:11:54,300 --> 01:11:57,300
had remained close friends.
So I'm wondering if Greg was

1178
01:11:57,300 --> 01:12:00,400
there because share a Sherry's
daughter wasn't and it was kind

1179
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:02,400
of, you know, to protect them in
this big.

1180
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,700
House.
And fortunately, neither of them

1181
01:12:05,700 --> 01:12:08,100
survived that night the
following morning, a group of

1182
01:12:08,100 --> 01:12:11,200
real estate agents arrive to do
a home inspection and found

1183
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:15,100
their very battered remains.
Greg was found completely naked

1184
01:12:15,100 --> 01:12:18,200
face down partially in the
bedroom closet, there was a

1185
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:21,400
gunshot from the back that went
through his cheek, but that did

1186
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:24,000
not kill him.
What did kill him was being hit

1187
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:25,700
in the back of the head 24
times.

1188
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:30,500
It looked like Joseph Blitz,
attacked him and didn't even tie

1189
01:12:30,500 --> 01:12:34,800
him up, Sherry was naked lying
face down on the bed and her

1190
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:37,100
arms at some point have been
bound behind her back.

1191
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:39,500
She was hit several times in the
head as well.

1192
01:12:42,100 --> 01:12:45,800
This is about the time that the
police are like this, seems like

1193
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:49,000
a serial killer.
And so, that's the media called

1194
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:52,200
him, the Night Stalker, and he
is known as the original Night

1195
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:56,400
Stalker, eventually the acronym,
EA are ons.

1196
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:59,000
Became what?
Those of us who follow this case

1197
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:02,200
online called him, but that
doesn't happen until the 2000s

1198
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:04,700
for now, the police think that
the East area rapist is

1199
01:13:04,700 --> 01:13:11,300
different guy in Sacramento, and
the Night Stalker is a different

1200
01:13:11,300 --> 01:13:13,800
guy.
Like I said, Nisha, D'Angelo's

1201
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,800
born in September the whole
huddle family rejoices.

1202
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,100
We have another grandchild
because James already had two

1203
01:13:19,100 --> 01:13:22,000
daughters Sharon's working for
the National Labor Relations

1204
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:23,800
Board.
And Joseph isn't really working

1205
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,200
at all.
He in some kind of being a

1206
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:27,600
stay-at-home dad for a little
bit.

1207
01:13:29,100 --> 01:13:31,400
It's odd.
Yeah it's obvious he's a primary

1208
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:34,800
parent because he's not really a
touchy-feely kind of guy and he

1209
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:37,700
definitely tries to police all
of his family's Behavior.

1210
01:13:37,900 --> 01:13:42,000
Like oh how kind of bullying
James to not like show affection

1211
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:46,100
to his own kids when they're all
hanging out together which is

1212
01:13:46,100 --> 01:13:52,400
weird and I yeah 1982 comes and
official Sharon is officially

1213
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:54,200
added to the State Bar of
California.

1214
01:13:54,300 --> 01:13:57,200
This is a very exciting moment
that Sheridan wish you would

1215
01:13:57,300 --> 01:13:59,300
time.
And working as a divorce

1216
01:13:59,300 --> 01:14:03,000
attorney that same year and the
police were at a loss because

1217
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:08,700
all the murders just stop.
I wonder if this is like because

1218
01:14:08,700 --> 01:14:12,100
Joseph is now responsible for a
kid, pretty much all the time

1219
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:14,500
and he just doesn't have the
time.

1220
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:25,700
Right.
Yes, he's too busy.

1221
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:30,200
You put the child rearing?
No, they usually don't.

1222
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:33,100
Well that does firstly.
That's the first time I've heard

1223
01:14:33,500 --> 01:14:36,800
like you know when he served
Killers just like what part of

1224
01:14:36,808 --> 01:14:39,700
me off the walls if his truck
doesn't have to sustain him, I

1225
01:14:39,700 --> 01:14:45,300
mean for children for a child.
Yeah, they don't need to see

1226
01:14:45,300 --> 01:14:49,500
James and his book tells a story
about how one time he went over

1227
01:14:49,500 --> 01:14:51,800
to Joseph house.
And Joseph showed him this like

1228
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:55,200
big gold bar.
And he's just like, where'd you

1229
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:56,600
get this?
And he's like Vietnam.

1230
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:02,800
But what James thinks is that
all those like gold earrings and

1231
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:05,400
rings that he stole from his
victims, he melted them all

1232
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:09,200
down.
And that gold bar is his trophy.

1233
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:17,300
Did she know you're no
burglaries and assaults?

1234
01:15:17,300 --> 01:15:20,700
No murders happen again until
1960 1986.

1235
01:15:21,100 --> 01:15:23,300
So the stuff I stole just at the
caring.

1236
01:15:23,300 --> 01:15:27,600
Got hanging Oaks sharing briefly
work for the state of

1237
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,300
California, but hated the
politics and she open her own

1238
01:15:30,300 --> 01:15:33,100
practice around this time.
Sasha D'Angelo was born in

1239
01:15:33,100 --> 01:15:36,900
November of 1986 and right
before sponsors birth that final

1240
01:15:36,900 --> 01:15:41,100
murder was committed that we
know of It was one of the worst.

1241
01:15:41,100 --> 01:15:44,200
The victim was Janelle Cruz.
She was 18 years old and worked

1242
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:45,700
for a pizza place called Boeing
goes.

1243
01:15:45,700 --> 01:15:50,300
Pizza as a cashier.
By now, I think a lot of people

1244
01:15:50,300 --> 01:15:55,000
probably felt like it was safe.
I've been for years, no rapes,

1245
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:59,100
no murders.
But unfortunately, for Janelle,

1246
01:15:59,100 --> 01:16:03,200
he just wasn't done on May 4th.
She was home alone in Irvine and

1247
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:05,700
according to her sister,
Michelle Crews, who had to

1248
01:16:05,700 --> 01:16:08,800
identify her body.
Her sister did have binding

1249
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:10,900
marks on her wrists.
The police said, she'd been

1250
01:16:10,900 --> 01:16:14,700
raped and Michelle said that she
was being to the point of all

1251
01:16:14,700 --> 01:16:19,700
recognition Jenelle's.
Mother was on vacation and real

1252
01:16:19,700 --> 01:16:22,700
estate agents who are praising
their home discovered her body

1253
01:16:22,700 --> 01:16:26,600
that following day.
The police had all but forgotten

1254
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:29,300
about the EC, a rapist at this
point and instead, they fixated

1255
01:16:29,300 --> 01:16:32,300
on Gregory Gonzalez.
Now Greg engine now.

1256
01:16:32,300 --> 01:16:35,000
But both spent some time in
rehab for drugs and that's how

1257
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:37,800
they knew each other and Greg
told somebody.

1258
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:45,100
He killed his friend Janelle.
And the police were like, hey,

1259
01:16:45,100 --> 01:16:50,700
we got a confession, we're good.
It wasn't until they begin cross

1260
01:16:50,700 --> 01:16:53,400
testing these cases against the
DNA.

1261
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:55,700
They eventually get in the
system that they learn.

1262
01:16:55,700 --> 01:16:57,900
That this was actually another
Golden State killer.

1263
01:16:59,500 --> 01:17:03,500
Now, James huddle, guess who
he's divorced from his wife.

1264
01:17:03,500 --> 01:17:07,200
After his wife has an affair and
he moves a lot closer to the

1265
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:12,000
family and James, and Joseph,
and Sharon all our spend a lot

1266
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,600
more time together.
James has two daughters, Deanna,

1267
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:17,600
and Nicole, and Joseph has
Sasha, and Misha, and the

1268
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:21,400
cousins get to play together.
Joseph puts up, an above-ground

1269
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:25,700
pool, the kids play the men
Grill Joseph, during this time,

1270
01:17:25,700 --> 01:17:29,700
picked up building model boats
and the men spend hours building

1271
01:17:29,700 --> 01:17:33,100
delicate, you know, both models
as his daughters grow up.

1272
01:17:33,100 --> 01:17:37,500
Joseph teaches them how to shoot
James, not really interested.

1273
01:17:37,500 --> 01:17:39,300
In teaching his daughters had a
whole guns.

1274
01:17:41,100 --> 01:17:43,800
James says that he's not always
the most stable during these

1275
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:47,100
years, he would lose his cool
over very minor things and yell

1276
01:17:47,100 --> 01:17:52,200
a lot of the girls Only once at
all these family gatherings.

1277
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:55,800
However, did James really
experienced Joseph as the Golden

1278
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:58,800
State killer, so the two
families really liked horror

1279
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:00,900
movies and they would get
together and watch all the scary

1280
01:18:00,900 --> 01:18:03,500
movies and they watched all the
grades pumpkin said Freddy

1281
01:18:03,500 --> 01:18:05,900
Krueger Jason Chucky but one
night.

1282
01:18:05,900 --> 01:18:07,800
They're all sitting around
watching Texas, Chainsaw

1283
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:11,700
Massacre.
And James sees a little crack in

1284
01:18:11,700 --> 01:18:14,700
the facade.
He said that while they were

1285
01:18:14,700 --> 01:18:18,300
watching the film Joseph's eyes,
get wide and like, clenches his

1286
01:18:18,300 --> 01:18:20,400
teeth.
And he's talking through the

1287
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:24,400
10th clenched teeth, which is
the same way he talked to his

1288
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:26,200
victims and he called them on
the phone.

1289
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:32,000
Not really sure why watching
that particular movie caused him

1290
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:36,800
to kind of relive something but
it did interestingly enough.

1291
01:18:36,900 --> 01:18:40,400
He discouraged his children from
watching anything True Crime

1292
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:44,100
related.
Repeatedly referred to True

1293
01:18:44,100 --> 01:18:48,100
Crimes cases as junk and he
would make them change the

1294
01:18:48,100 --> 01:18:51,600
channel if he saw it and I'm
like, was he scared that

1295
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:57,000
somebody might recognize him as?
Yeah.

1296
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:58,100
Yeah.
The FBI have released.

1297
01:18:58,100 --> 01:19:01,500
Some of those phone calls that
he made to the victims,

1298
01:19:02,500 --> 01:19:04,400
interesting things jumper
talking about.

1299
01:19:04,500 --> 01:19:10,000
So yeah, house got burglarize,
not much was stolen but it was

1300
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:11,900
traced to a guy living out of a
motel.

1301
01:19:12,300 --> 01:19:14,800
Ended up getting their things
back, but the kids are scared

1302
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:17,800
and like Joseph took them around
the house and showed them like

1303
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:20,800
all the security to like make
sure the kids felt safe.

1304
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:24,300
Now, in terms of his General
Life with his family, he's a

1305
01:19:24,308 --> 01:19:27,000
strict guy.
A lot of his military training

1306
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:29,200
is passed down into the kids
cleanliness.

1307
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:31,100
Not eating or drinking too many
sweets.

1308
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:33,700
We don't need the air.
Conditioner on all day.

1309
01:19:33,700 --> 01:19:37,300
We can handle it, not bullying,
a cousin or a sister for being a

1310
01:19:37,308 --> 01:19:40,100
bit chubby.
He's actually really serious

1311
01:19:40,100 --> 01:19:42,700
about that not being wasteful
with your food.

1312
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:46,900
He wore a white shirt and white
pants virtually every single

1313
01:19:46,900 --> 01:19:51,100
day, perfectly ironed, he's
meticulous and most of his daily

1314
01:19:51,100 --> 01:19:54,500
activities. even his lawn was
perfect to the point where his

1315
01:19:54,500 --> 01:19:57,600
neighbor said that, like, he had
these weird Boulders in the yard

1316
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:02,800
where he can't really get the
weed whacker to close obviously.

1317
01:20:02,900 --> 01:20:08,300
So he would cut the grass, knew
the boulder to make sure it was

1318
01:20:08,300 --> 01:20:10,200
perfect and aligned with the
rest of the year.

1319
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:13,100
He insisted that the dishes
always get done that.

1320
01:20:13,100 --> 01:20:17,200
The doors are never left open.
He was prone to yelling at kids

1321
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:20,100
for getting messy, but like, you
can't stop kids from being

1322
01:20:20,100 --> 01:20:24,000
messy.
His behavior seems a little bit

1323
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,600
more erratic when you look at
how his interpersonal

1324
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:29,700
relationship with kids.
I doubt the children noticed it,

1325
01:20:29,700 --> 01:20:32,400
but it was something I noticed
in hindsight in his book.

1326
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,300
He said the first time that his
eldest daughter went for a

1327
01:20:35,308 --> 01:20:38,700
sleepover Joseph, made them
sleep in separate rooms, which

1328
01:20:38,700 --> 01:20:40,900
is not normally how sleepovers
go.

1329
01:20:42,900 --> 01:20:45,100
It was almost like he was
worried that there was something

1330
01:20:45,100 --> 01:20:47,500
inappropriate that would happen
between the girls.

1331
01:20:48,100 --> 01:20:51,100
Now, later on, he relaxes this
restriction and puts up a tent

1332
01:20:51,100 --> 01:20:53,800
for the girls in the living
room, but like there are other

1333
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:56,500
situations that popped up like
apparently like me show would

1334
01:20:56,500 --> 01:20:59,700
like get out of the bath wet and
like, you know, chase her cousin

1335
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:01,900
and he would get like really
upset about that.

1336
01:21:01,900 --> 01:21:03,600
Like put your clothes on right
away.

1337
01:21:05,300 --> 01:21:07,600
He didn't like, any of the kids
playing inside the house and he

1338
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:09,700
insisted that they played
outside in the grass of the

1339
01:21:09,700 --> 01:21:11,500
driveway.
It's weird.

1340
01:21:11,500 --> 01:21:13,900
Because all in all he seems like
a decent dab.

1341
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:16,700
A little bit neurotic what he
did right by his own kids.

1342
01:21:16,700 --> 01:21:19,600
At least some of the best thing
I can say about him because

1343
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:24,300
apparently he wasn't the best
husband and by 1999 1991, things

1344
01:21:24,300 --> 01:21:25,900
are falling apart between him
and share it.

1345
01:21:26,300 --> 01:21:29,500
And when I'm researching this
right, everybody was makes jokes

1346
01:21:29,500 --> 01:21:35,400
about November babies Scorpios
with the concept that We were

1347
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:36,800
all born.
We were all conceived on

1348
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:40,500
Valentine's Day.
So he has one November baby.

1349
01:21:41,100 --> 01:21:43,300
He has another child that's born
in September and his third,

1350
01:21:43,300 --> 01:21:46,100
child is born in May and some
try to figure out and they're

1351
01:21:46,100 --> 01:21:49,400
like years ago part.
So I'm wondering how frequent

1352
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:52,800
the love life between Sharon and
Joseph was when he was

1353
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:55,400
assaulting women, virtually
every weekend.

1354
01:21:55,800 --> 01:22:00,500
Sometimes there were hits twice
a night and if his kids were

1355
01:22:00,500 --> 01:22:03,700
some of them conceived on major
like, around major holidays or

1356
01:22:03,700 --> 01:22:05,800
events.
And here's the thing,

1357
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:09,500
apparently, Sharon told James
that they slept Different beds

1358
01:22:10,700 --> 01:22:13,300
and that it very well have may
have started when she was

1359
01:22:13,300 --> 01:22:16,300
studying for law school because
she was getting done with her

1360
01:22:16,300 --> 01:22:18,800
studying at like 3:00 and 4:00
in the morning.

1361
01:22:19,300 --> 01:22:24,600
So like ripping and couple that
virtually probably never really

1362
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:28,900
had a whole lot of sex.
And it was probably just for

1363
01:22:28,900 --> 01:22:32,200
procreation, and they never went
back to the never slept in the

1364
01:22:32,208 --> 01:22:34,100
same bed.
Reminds me of somebody.

1365
01:22:34,100 --> 01:22:38,100
Does it it?
Do you remember a certain man in

1366
01:22:38,100 --> 01:22:43,000
Ohio on Fox Hollow Farm, who
never slept with his wife?

1367
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:45,900
Yeah, her but my sister did that
too.

1368
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:48,700
He pretty much only slept with
his wife for procreation

1369
01:22:48,700 --> 01:22:53,500
purposes.
My heart was closeted gay.

1370
01:22:53,500 --> 01:22:56,700
I don't think in this situation
are golden sake.

1371
01:22:56,700 --> 01:23:01,600
You know, D'Angelo is.
Closeted but I think he's

1372
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:05,900
getting his jollies elsewhere
and more enjoyable than the

1373
01:23:05,900 --> 01:23:10,600
actual sex is the terror that he
is an active across these limit

1374
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:13,900
use.
Yeah, no wonder if some of the

1375
01:23:13,900 --> 01:23:17,200
disconnect and Sharon and James
relationship has to be the fact

1376
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:22,000
that Sharon's wildly successful
and Joseph rocks.

1377
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:28,400
The only thing he'd ever really
cared about Maybe we know that

1378
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:30,800
just before he and Sharon
separated Sharon's making

1379
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:33,300
National headlines.
She's working with the National

1380
01:23:33,300 --> 01:23:36,000
Coalition against sir is
surrogacy to change the laws

1381
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:39,600
around surrogacy.
I guess, in the past Pete there

1382
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:43,100
wasn't like any like now there's
agencies and contracts.

1383
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:49,000
There weren't really contracts
of the past and so people are

1384
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:52,200
just like here's 20 grand, have
my baby and people would like

1385
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:55,700
Take the Money and Run.
I says huge case that happened

1386
01:23:55,700 --> 01:24:00,000
in New Jersey with the over a
baby M, as she was called and

1387
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:03,700
baby, I'm got taken from her
mother because my mother wanted

1388
01:24:03,700 --> 01:24:06,700
to back out of the surrogacy and
New Jersey was just like know

1389
01:24:06,900 --> 01:24:09,000
this family paid you for that
baby.

1390
01:24:09,300 --> 01:24:11,200
So it was a big deal and this
was a huge thing.

1391
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:15,800
There were lots of states that
were abolishing Surrogacy as it

1392
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:19,900
was traditionally done and Cat,
Sharon was working on it that in

1393
01:24:19,900 --> 01:24:23,600
California.
Also, the other thing here is

1394
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:27,200
that Sharon was very devoted to
her clients.

1395
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:30,400
The Huddle's were exceptionally
proud of Sharon for her work,

1396
01:24:30,500 --> 01:24:34,300
but also she was breaking glass
ceilings because law was

1397
01:24:34,300 --> 01:24:38,400
downright hostile to women, when
Sharon, decide to be an attorney

1398
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:41,600
in the 70s, she had endured and
succeeded.

1399
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:44,600
So she was just pretty much a
stellar lady.

1400
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:49,800
The to decide to separate.
But live in the same house for

1401
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:52,800
the kids around 1991.
She wanted her children to have

1402
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:55,200
their father and their life but
Sharon confided in her brother

1403
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:58,200
that Joseph was very
manipulative and neighbors would

1404
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:02,100
later, tell news, outlets of the
couple had terrible fights like

1405
01:25:02,100 --> 01:25:03,800
loud enough that everybody could
hear.

1406
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:07,300
She never really spoke much
about life with him.

1407
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:11,400
But by the 90s, Joseph is
working at first, save

1408
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:13,900
supermarkets, as a truck
mechanic at the Distribution

1409
01:25:13,900 --> 01:25:15,800
Center.
He get exceptionally good

1410
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:19,100
health, Share and share them was
working for this huge nonprofit,

1411
01:25:19,300 --> 01:25:22,000
the to kind of had an
understanding Joseph gets to say

1412
01:25:22,100 --> 01:25:25,300
my wife, the lawyer and Sharon
has the peace of mind that if

1413
01:25:25,300 --> 01:25:27,300
her or any other girls get
horribly sick.

1414
01:25:27,300 --> 01:25:30,600
They're going to be taken care
of, interestingly enough, even

1415
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:34,000
when he was arrested sharing
never dumped on him, she asked

1416
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:37,700
to be left alone.
She didn't file for divorce

1417
01:25:37,700 --> 01:25:42,700
until after his conviction as
the Golden State killer because

1418
01:25:42,700 --> 01:25:46,600
like the smart attorney that she
is Sharon knew that if She filed

1419
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:49,100
before his trial.
She could be forced to testify

1420
01:25:49,100 --> 01:25:52,800
against him and honestly, she
just didn't want to be a part of

1421
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:56,500
it.
The media has still like the

1422
01:25:56,500 --> 01:26:00,500
media continue to Hound her so
she just decided like I don't

1423
01:26:00,500 --> 01:26:05,500
want to be a part of this case
and ultimately they didn't need

1424
01:26:05,500 --> 01:26:07,700
her they would have called her
in and demanded.

1425
01:26:07,700 --> 01:26:10,700
She testify but they didn't need
her to make the case against

1426
01:26:10,700 --> 01:26:14,600
him.
Now dial this back about two

1427
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:17,900
years, three years.
Yeah, from 1989, Joseph gets in

1428
01:26:17,900 --> 01:26:23,000
a filmmaking, his new passion,
he has this good job, giving him

1429
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:25,300
money and benefits.
His wife's doing great.

1430
01:26:25,300 --> 01:26:28,400
The kids are doing great, he's
not spending every waking moment

1431
01:26:28,500 --> 01:26:30,800
moment, case in ladies houses to
rate them.

1432
01:26:30,900 --> 01:26:33,300
So he's got time for a new
expensive Hobby.

1433
01:26:35,100 --> 01:26:37,500
Of course, because Joseph is
Joseph, he believes that his

1434
01:26:37,500 --> 01:26:39,600
first film at the gate is going
to be a banger.

1435
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:44,200
He makes a short film called
into the dark 1989.

1436
01:26:44,300 --> 01:26:51,500
When it doesn't do well, he
spends three years working on a

1437
01:26:51,500 --> 01:26:53,500
feature length.
L called monster.

1438
01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:56,100
He can't convince the studio to
pick it up.

1439
01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:58,700
He can't even get a VHS DVD
release.

1440
01:26:59,100 --> 01:27:01,600
And well, that's the end of
that.

1441
01:27:03,500 --> 01:27:07,000
He does get arrested in 1986 for
not paying for gas, but those

1442
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:09,500
charges were dropped and they
never typical example, when they

1443
01:27:09,500 --> 01:27:12,100
arrested him because this was
the beginning of DNA evidence.

1444
01:27:12,100 --> 01:27:16,000
And it was a non-violent offense
Joseph, actually sued the gas

1445
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,900
station and one, because he
wasn't involved in the crime at

1446
01:27:18,900 --> 01:27:22,100
all, but he got pulled into
again.

1447
01:27:22,300 --> 01:27:24,400
Listen, he knows his rights,
right?

1448
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:31,500
And then time passed.
He focused on his kids.

1449
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:33,700
I'm being a good friend to
people in his life, his

1450
01:27:33,700 --> 01:27:34,800
employees, right?
Yeah.

1451
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:37,900
He was there for all of his
children's, major Milestones, he

1452
01:27:37,900 --> 01:27:40,700
began supporting his mother and
father-in-law, and their elderly

1453
01:27:40,700 --> 01:27:43,700
years.
It was like, he'd put everything

1454
01:27:43,700 --> 01:27:46,100
behind him except for an
occasional need to leave a

1455
01:27:46,108 --> 01:27:49,600
creepy phone call.
He retired from Save Mart

1456
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:55,100
Distribution Center weeks before
his arrest, his co-workers, and

1457
01:27:55,100 --> 01:27:56,700
neighbors loved him and so did
his children.

1458
01:27:57,400 --> 01:28:01,600
But while Joseph is enjoying the
spoils of his wonderful life.

1459
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:04,100
There are people behind the
scenes who have been working on

1460
01:28:04,100 --> 01:28:07,900
catching him for decades and he
does not get to enjoy his

1461
01:28:07,900 --> 01:28:11,600
retirement for too long and that
is where I stop this week's

1462
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:13,700
podcast.
When we come back next week

1463
01:28:13,700 --> 01:28:16,900
we're going to go heavy into the
investigative side of things.

1464
01:28:17,900 --> 01:28:21,600
The original case reopening the
cases and then connecting all

1465
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:25,600
the dots and what it takes to
put this guy in prison, and I

1466
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:31,000
was going to tell you, he is a
trip until the end.

1467
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:41,200
Even even when he was in the
courtroom during covid, I

1468
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:44,200
believe it to that next week.
I believe it's all for me.

1469
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:59,700
Goodness.
Oh goodness, I can't wait, I

1470
01:28:59,700 --> 01:29:02,600
can't, wait.
I really can't.

1471
01:29:02,900 --> 01:29:07,500
I want to hear all about it now,
okay.

1472
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:14,600
So this week I have for you.
All right.

1473
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:15,700
All right.
I'm sorry about.

1474
01:29:15,900 --> 01:29:22,000
Um so a little north of
Gettysburg like five minutes

1475
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:24,500
outside of Gettysburg.
Oh that's a nice.

1476
01:29:24,500 --> 01:29:28,800
There is just a little town is
called cashtown really.

1477
01:29:28,900 --> 01:29:31,900
Even now do you know who you
want to know why it's called

1478
01:29:31,900 --> 01:29:36,400
cashtown, that's so interesting.
Now they only accept cash.

1479
01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:45,800
Yeah, I think it's just the the
place we're talking about that

1480
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:50,200
only accepts cash but that's oh,
wow.

1481
01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:52,400
Look at the map and like where
it is.

1482
01:29:55,200 --> 01:30:02,000
It's so tiny.
Yeah it's it's the God, it's

1483
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:07,400
like a step.
Yeah, you can drive right

1484
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:09,500
through it.
G.

1485
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:16,900
You know the names of nine of
them?

1486
01:30:16,900 --> 01:30:23,200
Yes, I know about I think not is
a nice.

1487
01:30:24,500 --> 01:30:28,700
I think I don't know nine.
Yes.

1488
01:30:31,700 --> 01:30:33,600
Goodness.
Yeah, it's a Tiny Town.

1489
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:36,100
Like you go, you could drive
right by it and just think

1490
01:30:36,100 --> 01:30:38,700
you're in Gettysburg and I even
believe that I.

1491
01:30:39,900 --> 01:30:45,000
But anyway, I'm lucky.
In the center of, I'm guessing

1492
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:49,100
is the center cashtown.
Um, there is a hotel.

1493
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:55,400
So, is this like a ask you to
talk about this cool, you know,

1494
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:58,200
someone who lives right next
door and their pictures out.

1495
01:31:02,900 --> 01:31:07,200
Yes.
He is, I don't know.

1496
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:10,500
I don't like Gettysburg it
really is.

1497
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:13,500
They're everywhere Park right
next to it.

1498
01:31:13,900 --> 01:31:17,700
Before I go down there, it's
just so much.

1499
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:21,400
Like there's see this is
exactly.

1500
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:24,400
Is this is the closest?
I will get to talk here about

1501
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:31,900
Gettysburg and less Mmm.
Yeah, unless we do like some

1502
01:31:31,900 --> 01:31:35,400
type of like, I don't know, some
filming thing and do like, you

1503
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:36,900
know what I mean.
There might be like a ghost

1504
01:31:36,900 --> 01:31:39,000
rolling down there.
People keep doing that's as

1505
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:42,200
close as I get to talking.
Gotta like, oh, fluff, up the

1506
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:56,000
energy, but of what happened?
Like, Look, so apparently

1507
01:31:56,000 --> 01:32:00,300
they're re-enactors that March
down that street in front of the

1508
01:32:00,300 --> 01:32:06,600
cashtown Inn.
Like the mark shows to get you

1509
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:09,700
know, the Gettysburg Battlefield
very intense.

1510
01:32:17,700 --> 01:32:21,700
Okay.
Oh goodness, gracious, not

1511
01:32:21,700 --> 01:32:24,000
surprised.
So, yeah, that's what I'm

1512
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:26,700
talking to.
You have a friend Fran

1513
01:32:26,700 --> 01:32:29,600
experience, haunt and it's
apparently haunted.

1514
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:38,200
Nice, and yeah.
And apparently, yeah, she's

1515
01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:42,700
such, there's a little, there's
a little kid that You see these

1516
01:32:42,700 --> 01:32:46,600
walking down, not only her, but
a lot of people who I don't like

1517
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:48,200
that, but I haven't seen them
yet.

1518
01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:55,000
But she has like another child
is, but she seems to be but yes

1519
01:32:55,000 --> 01:33:01,500
he just she sees them like I
think she's like a small child,

1520
01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:04,500
she's just really Gill and I'm
going in the basement.

1521
01:33:12,100 --> 01:33:18,200
Yes, especially because like the
lines of, yes, look, as modern

1522
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:21,900
Time Has Come, they've chopped
up this land.

1523
01:33:21,900 --> 01:33:24,100
You know what I mean?
Like, the same thing happened

1524
01:33:24,100 --> 01:33:27,400
with, with Herb Baumeister, like
he bought like what 18 acres and

1525
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:30,000
like, half of that has been sold
off now.

1526
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:37,100
So, you like a farm and other
places still like, How much was

1527
01:33:37,100 --> 01:33:38,000
the cat?
Like, you know, I'm like you

1528
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:39,700
look at like with the cash
tenant cute little house but

1529
01:33:39,700 --> 01:33:43,100
like how much of the area around
that was also originally part of

1530
01:33:43,100 --> 01:33:45,200
it.
Yeah.

1531
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:54,700
Okay?
So found out what you're able to

1532
01:33:54,700 --> 01:33:56,600
do.
That was part of it because I've

1533
01:33:56,800 --> 01:34:01,200
seen pictures and it was just
the cashtown Inn in the Rogue.

1534
01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:05,900
Just straight up, dirt road,
side of this has nothing to do

1535
01:34:05,900 --> 01:34:10,800
with anything and I'm sure your
friend will listen to what store

1536
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:18,600
across the street.
I just want to know Let Brian

1537
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:23,600
know so I can now because I was
raised in a city of like a hot

1538
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:26,300
million and a half.
The she'll tell me it's so I

1539
01:34:26,300 --> 01:34:30,000
don't understand why anybody
would want to live somewhere

1540
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:34,400
where you can actually know
everyone in town, sounds awful.

1541
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:42,500
I mean, Where I Live Now is the
smallest town.

1542
01:34:42,500 --> 01:34:44,300
I ever.
I wouldn't I don't know.

1543
01:34:44,300 --> 01:34:47,900
For me like a small town,
actually, spit some tantric.

1544
01:34:47,900 --> 01:34:50,100
That's probably the smallest.
I'm just because I don't really

1545
01:34:50,100 --> 01:34:53,200
sit and that's not cat.
That's just in town.

1546
01:34:53,200 --> 01:35:00,900
If you count the surrounding
areas like the prettiest, like I

1547
01:35:00,907 --> 01:35:02,400
need to see the light in the
city.

1548
01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:05,800
They think it's like 15, but if
you count the surrounding areas

1549
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:07,500
because it's kind of smushed as
well.

1550
01:35:07,500 --> 01:35:10,700
Stay in the area you live in.
I don't think I could go to

1551
01:35:10,700 --> 01:35:27,900
Jessica crowded.
Okay so this building I got this

1552
01:35:27,900 --> 01:35:37,200
built in 1790 97 it is right
whatever.

1553
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:50,900
Yeah so there So they had one
Innkeeper.

1554
01:35:50,900 --> 01:35:57,600
His name was Peter Micah Mark if
it was that

1555
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:16,500
yes.
Oh my God.

1556
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:22,500
But yeah, he's the one that
coined it to be invisible again.

1557
01:36:22,700 --> 01:36:25,700
Cash only, which has fallen
asleep that everything you've

1558
01:36:25,700 --> 01:36:28,000
cashed out Kevin at that meant
they were accepting, like,

1559
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:30,100
silver, these cash?
We just take cash here.

1560
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:46,500
Oh, it was good.
I mean paper money so we

1561
01:36:46,500 --> 01:36:49,100
definitely didn't.
He want that southern money?

1562
01:36:50,700 --> 01:36:54,300
Them.
That can then be Confederate

1563
01:36:54,300 --> 01:36:56,500
dollars.
Don't count for nothing up here.

1564
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:08,100
I know he did.
Actually never mind the federal

1565
01:37:08,100 --> 01:37:12,200
dollars.
Do count, Kesha Min was actually

1566
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:15,300
used for by Confederate
soldiers.

1567
01:37:15,500 --> 01:37:20,200
Like, mainly interesting.
Yeah, he's like, they're like,

1568
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:22,900
yeah, give me that Confederate.
Funny that your money is good.

1569
01:37:22,900 --> 01:37:28,800
Here, please bring it here.
Oh yeah, like a lot of

1570
01:37:28,808 --> 01:37:32,500
Confederate soldiers officers,
they stayed here at that job,

1571
01:37:32,500 --> 01:37:35,400
man.
Hey man, we don't support tree.

1572
01:37:35,900 --> 01:37:41,400
And like a lot of famous
Confederate name's Boba because

1573
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:49,300
my competitors here for the
Confederacy, it's mainly because

1574
01:37:49,300 --> 01:37:55,100
they it like the hotel if set,
it's it's wrong, it's it's but

1575
01:37:55,100 --> 01:37:59,800
it's set directly on the supply
pipeline between Virginia and

1576
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:04,600
Gettysburg.
So that's basically like that

1577
01:38:04,600 --> 01:38:08,800
was like they're, they're
stopping point right there for

1578
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:15,500
the Confederate soldiers.
Um, know the seller in dust in

1579
01:38:15,500 --> 01:38:20,100
it had, you know, different
different things amenities for

1580
01:38:20,100 --> 01:38:23,800
confederate.
Guess they had be using Springs

1581
01:38:24,300 --> 01:38:27,700
brick ovens if they wanted to
like make bread.

1582
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:35,200
And it's like, it was, it was
also used as a field hospital

1583
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:40,700
for soldiers who had wounds or
who were dying out there as

1584
01:38:40,700 --> 01:38:47,600
well.
There's a little note.

1585
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:52,200
This is Laura, suggest that so
many limbs were amputated.

1586
01:38:52,300 --> 01:38:55,900
That the pile eclipse, the
seller Windows preventing

1587
01:38:55,900 --> 01:38:59,200
sunlight.
Yeah.

1588
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:08,800
Yeah, well yeah, it's it has a
very, very rich, has a rich

1589
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:11,100
history just like you had it.
There are a lot of people that

1590
01:39:11,100 --> 01:39:19,000
have seen her, also, in 1993,
there's a, I don't know, there's

1591
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:25,800
a movie Gettysburg, There's a
movie is called Gettysburg and a

1592
01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:28,500
lot of the actors stayed at this
hotel, too.

1593
01:39:31,300 --> 01:39:33,900
It's just it's just, you know,
your little side note looks like

1594
01:39:33,900 --> 01:39:36,000
a lot of famous.
Something many people stayed

1595
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:44,000
there.
Hey, And also I read that, okay?

1596
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:47,500
It was featured in Ghost
Hunters.

1597
01:39:48,200 --> 01:39:50,400
That Ghost Adventures Ghost
Hunters.

1598
01:39:50,900 --> 01:39:56,900
So G.
It is just is, just like the

1599
01:39:56,900 --> 01:40:00,500
guys who, you know, who are
risking their, they just okay,

1600
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:06,100
notice some things moving around
and they caught some voices on

1601
01:40:06,100 --> 01:40:15,700
the recording devices as well.
Yeah, so there are there are a

1602
01:40:15,700 --> 01:40:19,100
lot of ghost sightings are there
a lot of?

1603
01:40:19,100 --> 01:40:22,100
Yeah, I came across when
accidentally while I was just

1604
01:40:22,100 --> 01:40:23,200
looking at pictures a little
bit.

1605
01:40:25,700 --> 01:40:27,500
Sir.
I know window.

1606
01:40:27,500 --> 01:40:29,300
The middle window?
Just a face in the middle

1607
01:40:29,300 --> 01:40:30,100
window.
Yeah.

1608
01:40:31,500 --> 01:40:34,400
I don't like I don't like that
but if you do, you guys have one

1609
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:36,900
with the guy upstairs in the
window just looking down.

1610
01:40:39,100 --> 01:40:47,600
Yes, yes.
Oh okay, I'm here for it.

1611
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:54,300
Okay so I have a you know, since
it's a hotel people read reviews

1612
01:40:54,300 --> 01:41:03,300
about hotels I know, um, you and
it's a, it's a, it's titled

1613
01:41:03,300 --> 01:41:10,700
lovely in it really haunted and
it's a five star review and it

1614
01:41:10,700 --> 01:41:15,200
goes, I am my husband stayed.
He's their vacation, we had

1615
01:41:15,200 --> 01:41:18,600
taken a lot of peculiar pictures
inside and out of this lovely in

1616
01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:22,400
had a fantastic dinner there.
Okay, first night, spent their

1617
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:26,400
Hertford steps, how in the
hallway late at night from the

1618
01:41:26,500 --> 01:41:32,400
That soldier who walks the Halls
second night second night.

1619
01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:35,500
Heard the footsteps.
Again, they approached the door

1620
01:41:35,500 --> 01:41:40,300
to our room and stopped and then
a light knocking at the door.

1621
01:41:41,300 --> 01:41:47,500
My husband and I were Sam and
Anita vitamin knocking knocking.

1622
01:41:47,500 --> 01:41:50,400
They heard footsteps inside our
room.

1623
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:54,700
Listen, vampire rules do not
apply a know.

1624
01:41:55,800 --> 01:42:01,800
They say he's, I guess he's
trying to be polite but he's

1625
01:42:01,800 --> 01:42:10,800
like not see ghosts know Oh was
the footsteps stopped?

1626
01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:15,500
At the foot of our bed.
Something began to lightly poke

1627
01:42:15,500 --> 01:42:21,100
that mattress up and down, along
with a light shaking of the

1628
01:42:21,100 --> 01:42:24,800
mattress.
I'm I, yeah.

1629
01:42:25,500 --> 01:42:27,600
I and my husband were not doing
this.

1630
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:31,500
We were laying perfectly still
in a mattress, then the mattress

1631
01:42:31,500 --> 01:42:35,000
began to Ripple.
When you like when you drop a

1632
01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:40,300
pedal, a pebble in a Then I
began to feel someone lightly

1633
01:42:40,300 --> 01:42:43,800
touched me on the shoulder and
it was not my husband.

1634
01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:50,100
We were not disappointed on the
in dinner room nor haunting

1635
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:54,900
highly recommend this in PS.
The pictures we took inside and

1636
01:42:55,300 --> 01:43:03,200
in our room showed, several orbs
and spirit seeing to Civil War

1637
01:43:03,500 --> 01:43:17,600
July 1st, through 3rd.
But yeah, that's it like you

1638
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:21,600
said, just knocking and just let
yourself in and then jumped on

1639
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:24,700
the bed and everything.
Click.

1640
01:43:24,700 --> 01:43:29,800
No, this is my room.
You guys are staying in my room.

1641
01:43:29,800 --> 01:43:31,900
However, they were doing was
jumping on the bed.

1642
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:34,300
Yes.
Why it was wobbling.

1643
01:43:34,600 --> 01:43:36,700
He's focused.
I don't know what the Poke the

1644
01:43:36,700 --> 01:43:41,200
bear was about.
Oh no, we're not gonna talk

1645
01:43:41,200 --> 01:43:45,600
about that.
He was trying to do this this.

1646
01:43:45,600 --> 01:44:01,800
So can I help you guys out to
the oh my God.

1647
01:44:04,100 --> 01:44:07,200
But yeah, I'm multiple multiple
guests have reported coming back

1648
01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:12,900
to the rooms to find out.
Their suitcases have been packed

1649
01:44:12,900 --> 01:44:15,300
and their television.
I think it's a long turn it on

1650
01:44:15,300 --> 01:44:17,500
and off and it will get out in
the night.

1651
01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:20,900
The stampeding sounds of army
horses.

1652
01:44:23,500 --> 01:44:33,900
And only after that is done.
Don't worry about like dogs.

1653
01:44:33,900 --> 01:44:35,500
Get out.
Get out my room now.

1654
01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:47,000
Since the owners themselves have
witnessed shadowy apparitions.

1655
01:44:48,900 --> 01:44:51,500
Disappear.
Right from in front of their

1656
01:44:51,500 --> 01:45:00,300
eyes.
Now, like there it states on

1657
01:45:00,300 --> 01:45:03,300
here that the like there's a lot
of like ghost tours but the

1658
01:45:03,300 --> 01:45:07,600
cashtown like there goes a lot
of course is Gettysburg but like

1659
01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:10,300
there are a lot of ghost tours
in Gettysburg but the cashtown

1660
01:45:10,300 --> 01:45:15,000
Inn isn't in the Gettysburg.
Ghost tour route.

1661
01:45:15,100 --> 01:45:18,600
So if you guys want to Ghost
tour.

1662
01:45:19,300 --> 01:45:23,400
That's not in Gettysburg.
Cashtown Inn go there cuz

1663
01:45:25,400 --> 01:45:28,500
Especially was a July 1st with
somebody walking up and down the

1664
01:45:28,500 --> 01:45:34,700
hall.
Let me know what happens because

1665
01:45:35,700 --> 01:45:37,900
I mean, I don't like that.
Oh my God.

1666
01:45:40,400 --> 01:45:43,300
That's all I'm saying.
Like don't disturb my rest.

1667
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:53,600
That's I don't like it.
There's like multiple pictures

1668
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:56,500
of that like, horrible face.
No.

1669
01:45:56,508 --> 01:46:00,500
Thank you.
Please don't come in here and

1670
01:46:00,500 --> 01:46:04,700
bug me like what you call it?
Just thank you.

1671
01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:10,300
It's the words for what it
really is.

1672
01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:20,500
Yeah it is.
It's like it's like an an

1673
01:46:20,500 --> 01:46:23,600
ultrasound photo.
You know what I mean?

1674
01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:31,000
Like a baby and it's just yeah.
Now, when I look at TripAdvisor

1675
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:33,800
and but yeah, there's a lot of
there's a lot of activity there,

1676
01:46:33,800 --> 01:46:38,000
if you're staying there and you
probably won't be disappointed.

1677
01:46:38,100 --> 01:46:41,500
Now, that one you at all?
That's reset 2005.

1678
01:46:43,800 --> 01:46:45,400
Very cool.
Yeah, check him out.

1679
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:55,400
It's it's Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

1680
01:46:55,400 --> 01:46:57,600
Because I mean, you travel for
work so you're everywhere.

1681
01:47:00,200 --> 01:47:11,700
It's another child.
Oh yeah, I haven't been to any

1682
01:47:11,700 --> 01:47:19,200
other old houses that were built
around that time so and And she,

1683
01:47:19,200 --> 01:47:21,900
I think she said her house is
old as hell too.

1684
01:47:21,900 --> 01:47:25,500
So I'm pretty sure that little
boy, but a little child, that

1685
01:47:25,500 --> 01:47:28,900
the people manage to make
yourself or is being a part of

1686
01:47:28,900 --> 01:47:31,100
being kind of commercial 2020
hotel.

1687
01:47:32,100 --> 01:47:35,400
In this is a very small looking
place that can't have that many

1688
01:47:35,400 --> 01:47:38,400
rooms, you know, so they need
that money.

1689
01:47:45,300 --> 01:47:48,200
Okay well it's a so that's good
that they made it.

1690
01:47:48,200 --> 01:47:52,800
Yeah it's not only and I think
it's a general store to is there

1691
01:47:52,800 --> 01:47:55,000
is a story so you know other
things.

1692
01:47:55,600 --> 01:48:01,500
Yeah.
So Your quest to talk about all

1693
01:48:01,500 --> 01:48:02,800
of haunted.
Pennsylvania.

1694
01:48:03,500 --> 01:48:07,800
Oh that's that's basically
that's all we got.

1695
01:48:10,300 --> 01:48:13,800
Listen, if you want to be
complete I am working on it.

1696
01:48:13,800 --> 01:48:15,900
Like you eventually it all
covering.

1697
01:48:15,900 --> 01:48:18,300
I'm not touching Gettysburg
everywhere else.

1698
01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:24,300
Thanks so much for listening.
We hope you had a good lesson

1699
01:48:24,700 --> 01:48:30,900
this week with us and we will
finish Next week conversation

1700
01:48:30,900 --> 01:48:34,200
about the horrors of Joseph
James.

1701
01:48:34,200 --> 01:48:37,000
D'Angelo thanks for all the
people who are constantly asking

1702
01:48:37,000 --> 01:48:38,500
me when the next podcast would
be.

1703
01:48:38,700 --> 01:48:41,500
You don't understand, but it
does make us feel like it's

1704
01:48:41,500 --> 01:48:44,800
important to you.
If you ask when we're gone, you

1705
01:48:44,800 --> 01:48:46,900
know what I mean?
Like, you care that we weren't

1706
01:48:46,900 --> 01:48:54,900
here.
And thank you so much for losing

1707
01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:56,000
it.
Really does.

1708
01:48:58,100 --> 01:49:00,000
Yes, we love it.
We love it here.