Joseph James DeAngelo Part I: The Man and the Mayhem

0:30 Hey everybody. It's your killer country. My name is Brittany. Ransom. Hey, my name is Brian Twitter and this is when Killers get caught, a podcast of Otis deep dives into the Killer's. We love to learn about each week bride. And I discussed to True Crime Story that resonated with us and then I'll lead you down the dark path of learning about who a killer was how they grew up, how they killed and importantly, how they got caught. And when Brian ends our podcast with a touch of the Paranormal, a story about Cryptids or even the creepier side of life. Just want to say, thank you so much for listening to us. Normally, I'd say every week, but in general, thanks so much for listening while we've been gone. If you've been watching our Tech talk or any other time, you know, that I had a little bit of a people in my life and I need a couple weeks off, but now I'm in my new apartment and it's super awesome.

1:12 I have a dedicated recording space and I'm very excited to be back creating for you on here and tick-tock, Anyway, I'm just and also a lot of work. Well, I mean, we do it together so I do want to make it always hang on you but Yeah, but if you do happen to hear any Echo, I am waiting on some soundproofing, so sorry about that y'all. But this is for all the people on Tick, Tock, who have been asking me for weeks, when's the next episode it's now. Now, this is listen. Now this week on True Crime I have an interesting story so this is the mystery of a mother who went to the ER and she vanished 32 years ago. Her name was Myrtle Brown and she went to the hospital in Brooklyn in 1998, was May and then her family never heard from her again.

2:08 Interesting, interesting, so wait, so the ER, she just disappeared from, right? They like know what? Her family never heard from her ever again. So so weird to bring up Ebony Brown, who's her daughter because she was 13 years old, when her mom went missing. And so that may Myrtle Brown was in New York visiting her, best friend and her purse was stolen her purse. Had her epilepsy medication and all of her identification and she ended up telling her family. Like I don't feel Well, I'm going to go to the hospital, so they can give me epilepsy meds, and so I can get back home. So, she ended up going the Kings County Hospital in. Brooklyn to get a refill. Her daughter said that she went by herself and I was the last time they heard from her and four weeks like her grandparents and other family members went to all the local police in Brooklyn. They went to all of the hospitals in the area and never got any answer.

3:03 Ebony her daughter said that she were as she wondered if maybe, you know, like her Mom just wanted a different path in life. You know, sometimes people do that especially back then when she said she's really confused and sad. But then 32 years later in April of this year Myrtle's brother, Robert Brown was watching, NBC Nightly News with Lester Holt and it aired a profile of the cold-case squad at New York City. It was the the it's run by the New York City office of chief medical examiner. That person is dr. Angela solar. And they had opened up something like 1250 unidentified persons cases, and most of them were from the 90s.

3:51 Now in this report that Robert Brown was watching, he saw a picture of a facial reconstruction like it was a full statue like a clay model and he was like that could be my sister. Is that my sister and so he and his wife called the medical examiner's office and solar and her team are like we'll look into it and so they take out the record reconstruction and they're like, okay, this absolutely would be a middle-aged black woman. And it did match for all of the things, the family were telling her, you know, her age when she might have disappeared or died May of 1990. And for two months solar reviews, all of these records they're called unverified unknowns or missing. People with potential with a potential name that has not been verified or confirmed.

4:45 She started her search on May 1st 1990 until she found who she thought was Myrtle Brown on May 17. T, but it turns out that that reconstruction wasn't Myrtle. essentially, the contextual information matched, she passed away in Brooklyn which matches with the family said, And so pretty much the brown family's like, oh, well, thanks for trying and but then they get a call from solar a couple more weeks later. And she's like, no, we found your sister. And and he's just like, she's like, I think we found your sister. The daughter was on the call and that even though that pick that statue wasn't there, their mom, they did still find her mom in the records. Okay, so yeah, they ended up sending a photograph of her deceased and it was a very, a perfect match. One of they would have taken at the morgue since she was unidentified Myrtle, so murder was 35. She didn't even get registered or admitted to Kings County Hospital the most.

5:55 She hasn't been able to do before she had a seizure was walk up to the counter. Give them her name and date of birth and then she died in the like, emergency waiting room. Yeah. They were able to hold a virtual memorial for her because the families like not all the same place now, but All that solar says she hopes from this experience in the fact that they're talking about it now is that this will encourage other people to come forward because they are trying to do the work to find a lot of the missing people. And I'm just saying these are just the missing cases in Brooklyn.

6:36 Those 1,200, I'm sure that there's literally, every Precinct has their own giant list in New York. It's a massive massive state, but you know, but solar said, Didn't end up being that individual with a recreation, was based off of this did help us resolve a case and it did make a difference and that's the point to get people to stop and think for a moment and follow through and give us a phone call. So in the end, it did have a good ending. There you go. There you go. You can so you Sounder who technical your technology. Yeah, if it's really copies, got to have the people to do the work because there's just so many cold cases across the entire country and that's a lot of money. And They got to get the funding and people have to find Value in it.

7:21 So the more that they publicize, these cases of them actually closing them, I think they can get more funds and, and show that it is worth it to devote money too close to these cases and giving people some level of cousre. So what do you got for me? Brian. Okay, so remember that. God goodness gracious. What has happened? I don't know. We talked about A little bit of Courtney clanny. You remember her? Not by your name? What's up? Do you remember? Okay, well, she goes by and us her name is Courtney cause Courtney Taylor. She's a oh the only fans lady who killed the guy in Miami. There you go.

8:08 Yeah yeah I don't know her name but I know her face. I have the picture of her sitting on her Little like the sitting outside of her apartment covered in blood and handcuffed on the floor and the dogs are around her. Yeah, I have that picture on my phone. Okay, so she is, there's no court hearing going on because she's been, you know, she's accused of murdering her boyfriend. Of course, she's being charged with second-degree murder with a deadly weapon and, you know, because as we should, I heard something I saw something about, like they had, she was trying to get these tapes that they had pulled from the apartment complex.

8:50 Her lawyer was trying to get them. Cool. Some evidence. Hold firm evidence. Because it didn't happen that day and they're like, it doesn't matter if it happened that day. But I'm like, bro. It's a picture of her, picking a fight, and then, like, jumping on him, like the clips that they released of it. I'm like, she was real violent. Yeah, um. So there is something. Okay, so there's a lot of if they're more, is it worse? There's a ton of evidence like it just showing how abusive she was in this relationship. I mean that's what the friend said like her friends were like, I've never seen him do anything. I've only ever seen her. Do ya, do ya?

9:33 Crazy shit, but no. Okay. So you're so, this is Corey, right? And guess the prosecutor. He's trying to get into evidence a? I guess I think it was through talking about some videotape. Yeah, it's a hallway outside. Their apartment is like I said, yeah. Teams fighting real hard because that's evidence that she's abusive. Yeah, it's like is this happened two months before his death? But it's like it shows a pattern like exactly. Like, yeah, this is what she does when she did this is actually pretty sure. Yeah, exactly. And it's funny because it says that not only do they have about 12,000 text messages between her and her kind of see Beyonce but they also have her only fans videos and photos are audio content from the social media Pages stuff like that is that shows that, you know, that's been recorded and that's how she acts.

10:41 And that's the type of person that she is. And the, I guess the judge he's worried, is that so much evidence against this one person? Would make the process of getting a jury a lot harder because it's, it's gonna make the trial outlandish tyumen. One of the cases we cover didn't, I think it was. What's his name? The Dating Game Killer like Alcala their react hundreds upon hundreds, upon hundreds of pages of evidence. It's a lot and it's a lot to make a jury sit through. Yeah, I like, I get that but I'm like what? There's so much evidence that they have couldn't make it so much harder, it's it's a concept that's so weird to me because they got to go.

11:35 Do you at all? That's the same. Yeah yeah I think there's a quote from her attorney. It's a says to vigorously defend my client. I'm not going to stand back and let her be a punching bag for the media. This case needs to be tried in this courtroom with Texans of a fair and impartial trial. and just like I like, okay I get they have a right to a fair and impartial trial but Known as evidence is stacked against, you know, it's just like, well, I will say this, I don't know if her only fans is really necessary right for her.

12:16 Like, because I think that's just going to try and paint her in a negative way because she's a sex worker. Yeah. That's probably. That's what they did for. What's her freaking face Casey Anthony? Yeah, I don't really think we need that. But the absolutely the evidence of her in public in the building where they lived attacking him, not to mention that apparently you can hear. Saying in the background of the 911 call when she called it. Like he's still alive and he's like, I think I'm dying. So yes he it's it's sad. Yeah well we'll see what happens with that case. Hopefully you know hopefully we hear more about it and you know, it's there's a nice conclusion to this that everybody can agree on except for her.

13:07 She hasn't got a nice conclusion. Yeah, exactly. That's why I got. All right. So I think Brian that most of us grew up hearing that cops were our friends. Would you would you say that's fair? Oh really? When you were little we're talking about little they I would say even some people refer to it as cop agam de many young children, very much love police officers. Okay. Yeah, and I guess yeah. So the media and American society, if you police officers with a certain level of reverence reserved for very few other entities, in our culture.

13:49 I mean, I've seen people look a doctor in the face and be like, I know more than you. But definitely, there have been little cracks, like the glowing disdain for police brutality across the United States, the lack of action in The Case of the, you all be Massacre three months ago, but I think for me, probably the first thing that began destroy my belief and police was when I learned how many of them were Killers. Because remember, I started learning about True Crime when I was about 12 years old, and this isn't a uniquely American thing. Germany had normally pulk try. Had Zhang kg we covered the beasts of the Ukraine and episode 14, Mikhail popkov.

14:29 And today we're going to be talking about one of the worst in the US History. Joseph, James DeAngelo, a serial rapist, killer burglar and police officer in California. He started robbing, and raping people in 1974. And I first knew about him on message boards, as EA are ons the East area, rapist, original Night Stalker, His others call them the pazzaglia ransack. ER but most of our followers know him as the Golden State killer, which is the name that stuck when the FBI reopened the investigation into finding him in 2016, he get caught in 2018 and finally Fleet guilty on June 29th 2020. Yes, he was in court during quarantine my covid. Wait, what?

15:21 Really? Yes. Oh, yeah. And and he, shucked and jived, but we're not going to talk about that yet. That'll be next week because I had to break this into two parts because this is, he's another one of these ones. Like Gary Ridgway who really lived and actual double life And so this week we're going to talk about mainly his upbringing, the the crimes and and his family life. And then next week, we will talk will go into much more detail because the task forks and things just like with Gary Ridgway these the people who are searching for him, searched for him for a very long time and some people never gave up.

16:03 But before we get to how they caught him, let's start with where we always start the beginning. Joseph James, D'Angelo jr. Was born on November 8th 1945 and Bath. New York to his mother Kathleen, Louise de Grote and Joseph D'Angelo singer, who was from Watkins, Glen New York, and Kathleen was a waitress, when they met, they got married, November 20th 1941 in New York, he had three other siblings, backe, Connie and John Now Joseph CR was a well-respected Airmen and their articles that date back to like 1944, the star Gazette that showed that he flew and raids across Europe. He had been given seven different Metals, his dad but Joseph senior in Kathleen didn't really make it even a decade before they split.

16:49 We don't have the exact dates but sometime after Joseph Juniors brother John was born in 1949 the couple split up now, there are some interesting accounts about Okay, we got to pause the dogs freaking out. So I came across a few accounts from Joe's family about our interesting incident that they say might have shaped him in a tragic way. So with Joseph senior being in the military active duty, apparently they spend some time in German military bases when he was young and they're his sister Connie was apparently sexually assaulted by two men Now, the details are fuzzy at best, but essentially Connie son, told the process in recent news and the way you described it as it was kind of like one of those horrible family, stories that people only whisper about that Joe and his sister were playing an abandoned warehouse.

17:49 The attack happened in front of him and of course, this has been. The only person who's talked about this is Connie son and Plenty of psychiatrist have waited on the story and think that, you know, seeing something like this when he was so young, might have explained. Why he grew up to have like a preoccupation with both law enforcement and also turn into a rapist himself. Connie is no longer alive so we can't really confirm if this really happened but it's just a detail and we're not sure if it's true or not. But regardless of that other story, what we do know for sure is that after traveling with Dad, they did put down roots in Rancho Cordova and a small tract house. I had to look up. Tract house was but tract. Housing is a Housing Development, built in an area that's been subdivided into different Lots. When I looked at pictures of them, it reminded me of like those Suburban neighborhoods where all the houses, look, the same and their rows and rows and rows of them. Yeah, though, I guess the correct term for those are tract houses.

18:47 The interesting thing though was that the D'Angelo family was so poor that they heard, they owned virtually nothing in their home. Even the kids beds were all rented from like a run, a center type place. And I think that's poignant because when Joseph senior went to Korea and then Florida and never came back. All of the house and the items in the things that the kids own had to be given back to the bank and the lenders. Now, Joe's mom, eventually meets a traveling welder, who had a wife and kids of his own and says Southern California, and his name was Jack, the Sanko. And he'd been in the Navy, I'm sure this illicit relationship, didn't contribute to his divorce from his first wife, but in 1965 Kathleen and Jack got married. The marriage came much later after the relationship because Jack moved, the family to till are California and the 50s which did not make Teenage Joseph, very happy mainly because he was suddenly responsible for helping the kids in the family. Lee not just his brother and sister. But also Jack's kids too because he was the oldest kid. And this caused a huge Rift in the relationship with his mother and the two.

19:51 Got into a lot of very big fights about it. During this time when he was at Mills Junior High School, he made friends with a girl named Judy about 1959. And he started hanging out with Judy and her brothers who he also do from school. He started calling Judy's, parents Mom and Dad spent as much time as he could with them, Judy had a huge family and her parents treated Joe. Stuff, like he was kid. Number 10. Now Rancho Cordova was very much, a town, not even halfway built up at this point, it actually wasn't fully Incorporated until July 1st 2003. So, pretty much Judy's brothers and Joseph just ripped and ran through all these abandoned Vineyards in the area, the town got big or I guess, big and quotation marks after World War Two Soldiers, came back from war and they got their War money and start building homes there. But they spent their time, you know, Finding frogs bugs jumping in the car.

20:45 Mal's occasionally beating up people who mess with their friends and we're gonna see Joseph's first relationship. Let down happens in Rancho Cordova, he could have been very old but apparently his schtick was that he liked to steal Jan, and work on cars in his teens. And at some point during that time, he met one of Judy's friends and he kind of fixated on her a little bit and he took her to a cabin in the woods in the area to drink and like hang out which seems like a very team thing to do. And then he asked her to marry him. And she was like, I barely know you. No thanks. He exactly like your teenagers. So Joe's, only real sexual information came from Judy's mom who one time sat down all of the Suns and had a talk with the boys about, you know, the birds and the bees. Now, Joseph lack of experience with the girls and a tendency to go too far too fast.

21:44 When courting leads to a lot of heartbreak and not many girlfriends, which is why he started peeping. During this time, he even looked in Judy's window one night and it scared the absolute crap out of her but she didn't recognize him because he had a hood up. we can we can mark this as a checkmark and showing a predilection for deviancy in his teen years since his capture and conviction friends and family, have told the press that while Joseph was in high school at them at Folsom High School, he did commit some small burglaries and he was also known to harm animals, another checkmark in the MacDonald Triad Now, his time at Folsom, High Schools, pretty short-lived. He started in 1961 and by 1964.

22:28 He dropped out got his GED and he joined the Navy. Judy's older brother, had done the same thing like the year before and the two are best friends. So maybe he just wanted to be like his buddy. Not his time in the Navy was as good as any persons time to be when you finished basic and immediately gets shipped off to Vietnam. He was called it was a damage controlman second class and he served on both the USS kambera and the USS Piedmont and he finished his time in the Navy in good standing after a 22-month tour and went back to normal civilian life. He always like to tell people that he lost part of his finger in the war, but it was literally like a machine accident. Like it wasn't because like anybody caught him, but he liked to let people think that it was more important than it was. Now, at this point his stepfather Jack is working at Sierra Crane and hoist as a welder. Joseph decided he was like, I'm gonna go to college and a lot of young men after Vietnam did that my dad did that. I mean at that point the, the GI bill was actually said in people to college and paying for their way to live. So he starts at Sierra College in Rocklin, California in 1968 and he gets his.

23:41 So to go get his associates degree and political in police science. Which is a degree. I didn't know existed. And after finishing that he'd end up going to Sacramento State University and he begins his studies. There in 1971. I'm gonna say the First Line in the Sand that show that Joseph is not, a good guy starts in college in this gap. Before he starts school at Sacramento State, he met and started dating a girl named Bonnie. Jean Caldwell and Bonnie's parents were a high school principal in a former teacher. So they expected a lot of academic Excellence from Bonnie, she had three siblings who were all class president. They want School, Bonnie was the class Treasurer. She was a really good pianist who volunteered once a week with Vietnam vets.

24:23 And when she was in high school, boys, didn't really care a lot for her. So when she needs Joe at Sierra College, she's in experience for a little hopeful. Now, he's presenting himself as this hardened vet. Who lost his finger in the war, Mind you he was like a carpenter on these ships but he did not correct anyone when they showered him with praise for a vet for being a Vietnam. Vet. They're like you were in the jungle and he's like, yeah, totally. That's what I did. So bodies. Excellent students. Thank you for your service honors cheated people work as a lab assistant, that's actually how the who's, right? So Joseph study in this like, you know, Science police science and she's working in a lab in the lab with animals. They have no reason to be in the same building at all, but he's there.

25:21 And they meet, she likes him, he's into her. The two were an odd pairing though. Bonnie was bookish. And Joseph wasn't so, Bonnie, actually spent a lot of their relationship tutoring him. In school Bonnie's friends were like, he's old because remember, she's like 18, all her friends are 18, 19 year old freshman, and he's easily for years older than them to try and make up. I said he didn't want to be like, the weird old guy. He was always, Ultra, nice, try to be very funny. People study, gave off a James Dean Vibe, he wore like faded jeans t-shirts suede boots on Bonnie's.

26:04 Father, stand Caldwell learned about the two of them dating. He was not into it. He didn't like the Joseph was older, but Bonnie was on her independent tip and she was like, I can do what I want with my life. You're not gonna stop me from beating somebody. Now when Stan got to meet Joseph and he learned that he was a Vietnam vet, he was like, okay, maybe he's not that bad because Dan was a World War, Two vet now, Bonnie had four younger brothers, who really likes Joseph and he had a blue Road, Runner with a Hemi engine and so, they were always very interesting. He take the younger brothers on trips to a drive-in, he'd offered to fix things for the boy, since he was good at that kind of thing.

26:48 And even if he like fixed it, and And work well and it like broke or exploded. They all thought it was hilarious. So, Now, they're in this relationship and Joseph starts wearing Bonnie's class ring on his pinky finger and in Public Heath up gentlemen, but in private Bonnie finds his desires for sex to be overwhelming. She would later tell Sacramento prosecutors that while he was persistent he never forced her and always waited for her to say, yes, which I still really grating because I don't like it.

27:32 Yeah. Yeah exactly. But she did also tell them that sex with Joe was like, being like just stop bugging me about it. She go alone Every time they had sex, a detail that would Connect into some of his victims later in life, shortly, after they started having sex, Joseph gives bonding a judgment ring, no proposal or a man's just like, here you go. You're mine now. Their engagement, even ran the local paper Bonnie's. Not sure she wants to marry this guy. She's 18 years old, but she's like, if I get married that, I don't have to go back home to my dad, so she's like, Okay. The stone bothered her too because he said he found it in Vietnam.

28:17 It was huge and he had put it in this strange setting. It wasn't like shave down or anything so that when Bonnie was trying to do her like medical work as a nurse or in nursing training, she'd have to turn the ring to the inside of her Palm. She never got the chance to even tell him what she wanted for a ring and the longer they dated, the more she realized that he was just, it was weird addicted to breaking the rules and doing things that were against the law or dangerous from Tate like hopping having when they were on, the hike is motorcycle. He would take these like paths that were scary, and she would be on the motorcycle with him. So he was scaring the crap out of her or like he was like, you should learn how to hunt, you know, protect yourself and stuff and so then he would take her too. Places where it was illegal to hunt and then he would always be trespassing.

29:08 All right, he would spear fish and Folsom Lake which is also illegal. He would go hunting for Animals outside of hunting season. So so the spring of 1971, they're pretty much Junior disappoint. Joseph asks body to cross a line, that's too much for her. He's failing abnormal psychology and he needs this class to pass for the the criminal justice. He asks her to cheat and Bonnie's like no. He even tried to do it without her permission because I guess they were in the same class and she's just like, no, I'm not letting you cheat off of me. He is livid and this becomes a major issue in their relationship for Joseph. He's just like, you owe it to me. We're going to get married one day. Once I make it onto the California Highway Patrol, So the night things, explode, Bonnie's that our parents living room and she calls them.

30:03 And she's like, we need to talk and she breaks it off with him and he's like, what I love, you were meant to be together were perfect together and Bonnie's just like, we're not a good fit. I've already decided, she gives him back. The engagement ring, Joe is losing his shit. He actually throws the ring into the backyard in front of the family and Bonnie, and her brothers ended up looking for, but they never found it. They weren't even sure he actually really through it. Now a couple nights later, Bonnie wakes up and there is a tap tap, tap on her window. She moves the curtain and there is Joseph holding a gun against the glass. It is right in line with her face and he looks at her and he goes get dressed.

30:46 We're going to Reno Bonnie, turns and runs straight into our families bedroom, and she's just like Joe's outside. He has a gun. He wants me to go to Reno and Miriam right now. And her dad's like going to the bathroom, lock the door, I'll come get you when I'm done. And the dad goes out to go talk to Joseph. The cops, never get called and Bonnie believes. The reason her dad didn't call the cops is because it would have ruined his future and becoming a police officer. But about two hours later. That knocks on the bathroom door and sees, like Joseph's gone. He never told her. What happened over those two hours, the rest of the family didn't even know what happened. Bonnie, so freaked out.

31:33 She's dropped out of school for the rest of the summer and changes her major to lab Sciences. She gets married to an account in 1972, and she sees Joe one more time before she graduate before he graduates in 1973. At this point though, Bonnie is nine months pregnant and they're at the mall and she pulls her husband to the side and like hides from him. Nobody goes on to get me. She has a good life. She doesn't know anything about Joe's life until 2018. When her ex-husband the account she married in 1972 called her in 2018. And he said, what's the name of that guy?

32:13 You dated before me and Bonnie's like Joseph D'Angelo And her ex-husband's. Like he just got arrested for being a rapist. She wasn't even in the u.s. she was in Italy with friends of hers. And she was running a successful travel blog and reporters started. Just stalking her and it didn't stop. When she got back to the US, people actually took her travel blog and her Facebook page and turn them into a book before the trial, even came out and sold on Amazon. Right. What really really messed up Bonnie's was when she heard that the thirty seventh victim. Wait, her Joe say, I hate you, Bonnie. After he raped her.

33:05 And uncomfortable personal connection to his crimes. What's even worse is that in the time between their breakup and just graduation 1973? The reports of break-ins in Rancho Cordova, begin to start. Absolutely. Now, this is different than more move most burglaries though. He would show up outside of people's windows with no pants on. He would break in, he wouldn't steal anything, but he would like molest the person while they were sleeping and then run away when she broke up. He's like, maybe he would still coin our rang. He hit a few houses every night and he was known to also kill family dogs. now, coincidentally, remember I said that she saw Joe in the mall that day The woman that she saw him with was future wife, Sharon Marie, huddle, and Joseph met Sharon after he, and Bonnie split, Sharon was 17 and Joseph was 26. She was a freshman at American River College in North Sacramento studying law.

34:13 And as We Know Joe is still analysis. Actually, you don't know, but he's now transferred to a new college and he's studying criminology So the future lawyer and the future cop match made in heaven, right? Very quickly. Like they start they start eating right? As soon as the semester starts 1971 and he she's like coming. Yeah sure summer of 1971, Sharon's older, brother James Huddle's there with both of the parents James was 20 and even though he didn't live with the family anymore they would still like come over and have like family dinners. Now, Joseph is all smiles and full of stories about he was in the Navy for two years.

34:55 He was in Vietnam, Sharon's brother. James was in the Navy room. Nerves. That creates some kind of camaraderie Joseph's. Like, I'm looking for a place to stay since I just, you know, started at this new school and James is like, well, I have a friend like I live in a place and we have like an empty room. My friend who owns the house. It's in Citrus Heights. You want to talk to him? So, Joseph moves in and that friendly setup. Last barely any time, literally the, the guy who owns the house kicks. Joseph out in like two months and so as Joseph is leaving, he's just like you're going to be next buddy. And he was a wrong because apparently a month after that, the guy kicked James out for smoking.

35:43 So maybe that guy just did want people to really live in his house like once you like invite people to live with you and then you realize like how roommates are like, maybe you just don't People to live with you, but regardless Joseph gets a two-bedroom and he's like, you want to live with me? It was an ideal pairing, both of them through the military have been trained to live neatly but nobody in the Huddle family really knows much about Joseph. Definitely not what happened with Bonnie or that he had a pension for killing animals. But those two years between 1971 and 73 are great for Joseph he and Sharon are doing great Joseph and James become best buddies. They fly together.

36:25 Go dirt bike, riding other thrill-seeking stuff. And then come the cat burglar reports. For most of my life, I assume that a cat burglar was just an old timey term for burglary. But actually what it means is a skilled burglar who gets in and out when people are there. No. I didn't so Cordova's, well Cordova's cat Burgers, active from 1970 to 1973 and it's over, it's over 30 homes. During the time, he was usually do it. When the family was sleeping in one door and out another, there were other cities to and and their moments when there are gaps.

37:09 In Cordova the Pete, Police noticed that he also hit Citrus, Heights and other cities all cities. It seems like Joe has a connection to He mainly just deals purses wallets, you know money, but the thing with the touching the ladies happens again and sometimes showing up with just penis out. Sometimes like he just like break-in and be standing next to the bed like Paranormal Activity, just staring at people and then he would like grab a lady's boob and then when she wakes up it just runs away.

37:50 Yeah. One of the catcher and when she woke up he told her and I just stole a dollar off of your trusty. She I think she was just kind of in a weird like State. She was like what it back. He put $2 back on the counter and then walk down the hallway. Stopped to look at the woman 17 year old daughter sleeping and then picked off some money up. now, the connection here, between the original burglar and this one in Cordova, the Cordova cat burglar, is that He's killing dogs.

38:33 Of course, the weirdness with sometimes burglarizing with no pants on. That was also a very clear connection between the two and some of these homes get hit again when the East area rapist becomes active and what it seems like on most is that he's stealing things that are unimportant but they're trophies to him but the like normally they commit a crime and then they take a trophy to remember. It's almost like he's Bring them first. And then he comes back years later and rapes, the person it's possible but we're not there yet a couple more years. Now, James huddle mind, you he's living with Joseph now and he remembers a lot of strange moments.

39:18 What when they were roommates before he is sister and Joseph. Get married Joseph's very competitive when it comes to virtually everything. Even cars dirt bike so James gets a nice car. Joseph buys one slightly better Joseph by the dirt bike. I'm sorry. James buys a dirt bike. Joseph is like I'm gonna get one. Slightly better. now, there's what James calls it, his book, the road rage incident, Is a moment I think in history that James looked back on as a warning sign that he never realized it happens just before Joseph's College graduation in 1972.

39:59 The two of them are driving on Route 40 in Sacramento Joseph. Very aggressively Burks the car into a lane in front of another driver James gives the guy the finger. That's what you do when you're the passenger and then when the car behind them gets close and tries to pass Joseph, like Yanks it, front of them again, just to be a jerk. So then the two cars, pull into a McDonald's parking. Lot. Joseph hops out of the car, opens the trunk and the other two guys are walking over. Joseph pulls a 357 Magnum on the other two dudes. Like you got a problem with us. Of course, the two men run away immediately. And James looks at Joseph. It is like you can't do that. Not if you want to be a cop, but Joseph kind of shrugged it off. Yeah.

40:46 First time he sees his friend and roommate do something, that's actually scary and James decides to keep it to himself in his book. He refers to this as a little red flag and he says, and I quote little red flags can add up Graduation comes Joseph is in a prime position to be a great asset to any Police Department because in the 70s, it was not common for police officers to have bachelor's degrees even now only about 30% of them have like bachelor's degrees. So it was even lower back that he was a perfect candidate. He had a degree former military training. In fact, he was probably over qualified for the job that he really wanted James continues to be his roommate.

41:28 Sharon contains data. It's early 1973. Joseph and James go on a Hunting Expedition, and James spins, do realize that this hunting is, it means something extra to Joseph. There's a situation where they were supposed to be hunting jack, rabbits and like Joseph gives him a gun that's entirely overpowered and he urges James to make the kill. And when they go, look at the body of little Jackrabbit, it's completely destroyed. Just obliterated and Joseph excited. Like, look at how this look at it. so, you know, and James is like This isn't why I was We were supposed to eat that again. Yeah, another little red flag.

42:18 Just make the stripping burglary start in Cordova Meadow, the cat burglar of Rancho Cordova almost perfectly. This burglar is not stealing high-ticket items, he stealing nude pictures of women women's earrings. Car magnets, one time. He dumped that a bottle of codeine pills and stole just the pill bottle, he was now the one big ticket item he did still was, he was still guns. But his Mo was breaking into the kitchen door, open up a back bedroom, put the window screen on the back. I'm plugged the furnace move all the women's underwear into different rooms in the house. Trash the kitchen a few times.

42:59 He left burnt matches on the floor it was very clear to police. These aren't motivated by financial gain. Which means for this burger is getting some kind of high from just wrecking people's houses. Touch it underwear. Much of this won't make sense for another year or two, but fucking are many of like I said, these, they call them, no loss, robberies, these all become future homes that are Target's for there for him when he's a rapist. Now, the police also think this strange burglar is responsible for hang-up calls that keep happening. He called us one teenage girl multiple times and told her I love you. I love you. And then the last time he called her, he said I love you. This is your last night to live The house where that girl lived was next door to a future murder. Now and may of 1973.

43:50 Joseph becomes not just a police officer, but a burglary unit, police officer and Exeter California. Yep, he moves to Exeter for work the to. Now James and Sharon get married on September, mixing up the names because Joe and James are so close now. James gets married, on September 15th. And September 14th at 11 a.m. a 28 year old woman puts down her baby for a nap. When she hears a knock on the door, she ignores it, but grabs her gun. And then here's someone knocking at the back of the house. She catches a man breaking in and he runs away. She makes sure all the windows are locked and she calls her husband who I just left for work.

44:33 The attacker forces, the door with such force that the nails holding the lock into the door. Break, the woman raises her gun at him and he walks away. She calls the police. He breaks it again and tries to steal the gun and it goes off. And this time, he runs away for good. So, literally the night of James rehearsal dinner. Joseph was trying to like rape a woman. Now, a few months later in November Sharon, and Joe get married, they move into this duplex. And Exeter Exeter is, a town that only has five thousand.

45:15 Pretty much Sharon is prepping for law school. So she is spending all her time. Studying Joseph is over educated in a small Podunk town and honestly, Exeter is still small town. It has like maybe 50,000 people now. One of the things I found just really interesting is that Joseph takes issue with his fellow officers, fudging the reports. He complained to James about how he's like the other police officers, falsified police reports, and I'm not going to do that. I said, what an interesting look into the mind of a guy who can tell right from wrong, but it doesn't apply to him. Shortly after this move, Dexter the series boring. So, you guys in the fall of 1973 1975, 150 homes are broken into. The salya is a city.

46:12 That is 12 miles from Exeter and of course, he's telling Sharon I'm working. That's why I'm out. So late every night, Again, never taking much of monetary value, a single earring, a wedding. Ring sub trading stamps, sometimes he steals guns, those are valuable. But you knew that it was the Visalia ransack. Or if you came home and your panties were all over the house, your family photo albums were destroyed and there's a mess on your bed. Sometimes he would take kids piggy banks, but it was never like a major amount of cash flow. My theory, right? You stole from a child. But my theory on this is that the cop, he would know how much he could steal and have it be deemed.

46:54 Okay, that's still, that's so he banks, but still get the high off of making people in an area feeling safe. Now, here's the thing in 1975, he commits. Over 120 burglars, burglaries. Even and it really just that, that activity ramps up, There were several attempted sexual assault during this time, but never fully cross. That threshold value PD increased patrols, they put officers inside of houses, that hadn't been hit yet. But of course because Joseph is a cop and he has access to other cops. He could ask cops of the celje. Oh, where you put in people tonight?

47:36 Sometimes he wears a face mask, sometimes he doesn't. There's a police sketch that was put out, but it really wasn't the best. If you look at all the police catches they do kind of look like him, but depending on the year, He was fluctuating pretty drastically and wait. So like sometimes he like a chubby face, And sometimes he looks very thin. And so if you were looking at though the sketch from, when he had a chubby face and now he's like thinner because he's been, you know, working out more. They don't connect anymore because unfortunately outside of that it just looks like a generic white guy.

48:18 The, the sketches just look like generic white guy. now, the first murder in the strings of burglaries happens on September 11th 1975, And this is a crime that has now been attributed to Joseph, but it wasn't originally at was Claude Snelling. And what the police believe happened is that the Visalia ransack or broke into the house and attempted to kidnap plot Snelling 16 year old daughter. Elizabeth quat was a journalism professor and when he woke up to the attack, he jumped to action. In fact, chasing Joseph out of the house. And getting fatally shot when they were somewhere in the distance. Police did find shoe inference that would connect him to the other ransack or houses and the gun that was used to kill. Claude was stolen from one of the other houses that have been hit but Joseph, couldn't be charged for this murder for another 40 years.

49:16 Now, at this stage of their lives, Joseph and Sharon are doing pretty good, shared that is at McGeorge School of Law, in Sacramento and Joe decides that he wants to move up in life Exeter is too small for me. And so he takes a job with the Auburn Police to marbet. And that is when the East area rapists, assaults began Happening Now, Joe's escalation from burglar to rapist is quite abrupt but his methodology is precise, he still crying The doors or Windows of the houses, he's wearing a ski mask, he shines a flashlight into the eye of the victim ties them up with a. Not he learned in the military called a diamond. Not he rapes a woman of the house and when the sexual assaults over, he does exactly like he did before.

50:02 Completely trashed the house, take small items like ranks, maybe some coins, small amounts of cash, he leaves but instead of going on the main road, he jumps through the neighbors backyards. Now, Joe only gets officially charged with 10 of these rapes, because many of them were past the statute of limitations in California. But there were a total of 50 attacks by the East are rapist from 1976 to 1979. All of these attacks were 20 to 30 miles from where Joseph and Sharon lived. Many of the victims did not wish to share their names in any books about Joseph DeAngelo. So I will continue that process of an honorable death. The attacks of 1976 started.

50:47 As I mentioned, There Were Ten of them from Junie teeth to December, 18th. And then things, escalated 1977. Brought 19 more. He would call these victims before hand hanging up on them or telling them like sexual things. Police are definitely aware that he seems to be casing. The houses to see who is there. I made sense, because there was a woman attacked and you were a teen who wasn't assaulted until her husband left to go to work. Like, almost like we're 15 minutes later, Joseph breaks into the house. There was another young woman who was attacked her January 24th and she had like, a gathering of all her friends. And as soon as all of her friends left the house he broke in So it was not even that like he was preparing this ahead of time but he was sitting waiting and watching to make sure that anybody who could be a witness was gone. There's even one where he waited like he waited and watched until like a teenage girl was essentially like her parents weren't there for a very brief moment and He sets it up, like, it was like 15 minutes and she's alone. He sets it up, he takes her out of the house and he makes it look like she left of her own accord, and then tries to assault her and the canals back behind her home. So these are very very

52:19 premeditated. The thing is while he is meticulous and some ways. He's in other ways he's not so he's planning the, the assaults down to a to the like minutes. But if something happens that he's not prepared for, he just pulls out a gun and shoots a bystander. Yep. Or if someone shows up, he's not prepared for he grabs the victim's car keys and drives away. Drops the car off in another town without the key. Swings it out there that this is not going away. Now cost these hundred and fifty a sexual assaults, you have Rancho Cordova Carmichael, Citrus Heights, Sacramento arted arcade Orangevale, Parkway Stockton La, riviere Foot Hill, Farms, Modesto, Davis, conquered San Ramon, San Jose, Danville Fremont, Walnut Creek.

53:18 These are all the towns. He hits during these two years and it wasn't like the police weren't up on it and we'll talk more about like the task force. Is that pop up. In this time period, when we talk about this next week, because it's a lot of details in there. Are some definite people who did some good work but were limited with with the science, they had at the time and the neighbors were trying to help too. They would call in reports of Prowlers, if there was anybody who was stopping their car, didn't recognize, they were calling them in, like, the neighbors are trying to help. Now, one of them ones are more bizarre. Rapes happens in September of 1977, when Joseph breaks into a woman's home ties up her husband, raped her twice and then spends another 90 minutes in the house, just doing nothing.

54:08 It's like he's not even afraid of getting caught in any more. Yep. Yep. They're both tied up, husband and wife and he was just walking around checking the fridge, grab it, and just chilling there with her husband. Still tied up. Just an extra violation. And of course, like, this isn't, he's threatening them to I mean, because a lot of the people after he was gone or able to, like, get out of the knots, but it's if you move, I'm going to shoot you. If you move, you're not going to make it through the rest of the night. So and he has guns and he shows them so and he's not afraid to shoot people, we definitely know that because in the news, they're reporting that there are situations where this guy's running from a house and he shoots Bystanders. So people know that he seriously doesn't mind killing people. So I guess some of the victims are just like Let's not die. And the media were definitely on this case, they reported on every single case.

55:16 He virtually has a connection to all of the city's he's hitting. Now, he avoids, the town, he's living in Auburn, but his sister still lives in Rancho Cordova still share, its parents live in Citrus Heights, Sharon's brother and his wife live in Orangevale all towns east of Sacramento, hence, the East area rapist. Joseph loves to talk to his family and co-workers about the East area. Rapist, he brings it up randomly when he visits James at his house. He even offers to check James's home security system. To make sure that James his wife Cindy is saying, of course she does, and it's so fake because of course, James is safe.

56:02 Joseph was gonna break into their home and lot like, because didn't James would know, it was him, And, you know, James tells them what to look for and Joseph tells him what to look for in James trust his brother-in-law. Yeah, by the end of 1977, there are 29 rapes that shows no sign of stopping. At the end of December, though, someone claiming to be the easier. Rapist sends a poem called, excitements crave to the Sacramento Bee a newspaper, the mayor's office and the television station kvie because I had to hear this horrible poems. So do you? Let's listen to some horrible. Poetry from a rapist. Says all those Mortals surviving Bertha, post a signature, take inventory of their Worth to prevailing Society. Choosing values become a task oneself must seek satisfaction. The selected route will unmask character when plans take action accepting, some work to perform and fixed pay. But promise for more is the recognize social Norm as is decorum seeking more achieving While others lifting should be cause for deserving Fame lie.

57:14 Attempts excitement-seeking, what's right and expected seems tame, Jesse James has been seen by all and Son of Sam has an author others. Now feel Temptations, call Sacramento, should make an offer to make a movie of my life that will pay for my planned Exile. Just now I'd like to add the wife of a mafia Lord to my file your East. I'm not done yet. You're East area. Rapist and deserving past. See you in the press or Or on TV. Oh my gosh. I feel like you would like it. Shut the fuck up.

57:59 Indeed, indeed 1978. My it was terrible in. So just fucking the east. Rapist at family events 1978 starts with an attack on two teen girls. Not far from the American River Community College, Sharon's alma, mater, alma mater. The parents find the two girls tied up when they come home. And the girls report that he wore a ski mask had a gun, and had a knife. His second murder happens in February 2nd 1978. That's husband and wife, Brian and Katie Mae. She or they were walking through Cordova Meadows with their dog.

58:42 A neighbor reported seeing the attacker and the family running through a section of fencing that had been blown down in the storm. The neighbor actually witnessed a couple, get shot and called 911, but the measure is both died at the hospital. The police are looking at all of this and they are discovering that when you kind of look at the crimes, they all happen within a third mile, radius of each other. And so, the police began focusing on going through roughly, 30,000 crime reports to try and make sense of the murders. During this time, they also find that Cordova Meadows has dozens of reports of hang-up calls leading to that murder one woman. Got a call every night at 8 p.m.

59:26 there are Prowler and Cat burglars like style calls being reported to by March the East area. Rapist is back in it again. There are 14 more rates that happen. This year, nine different police sketches are released to the public about half of them, look accurate. Now later in 1978, 15 of his victims, have a luncheon to discuss their experiences. And they are all surprised to see that they all look the same and they have similar backgrounds. Almost all the women were upper middle class and had dark hair who, and what you wonder who in Joseph's life is upper middle class and has dark hair. His wife.

1:00:12 Now there's a different investigation happening virtually, every time he hits now during my evil which happened to be the 42nd rape, police get alerted to the strange car. Parked a neighborhood and they find these three notebook sheets. The first page is a homework essay about General Custer. The second sheet looks like a journal entry, describing a teacher, he million the offer when I read to you. It's weird but Matt is the word, the word that reminds me of sixth grade. I hated that Year. I wish I had known it was going to be going on during my sixth grade year. The last and worst year of Elementary School. Matt is the word that remains in my head about my Dreadful year as a sixth grader.

1:00:53 My madness was one, that was caused by disappointments. That hurt me very much, the same point was, for my teacher, such as field trips that were planned than cancelled. And there are loads of misspellings here. That's a great teacher. Gave me a lot of disappointments which made me very mad and both state of hatred in my heart. No one ever let me down that hard before and I never hated anyone as much as I did him. It's equipment was the only reason that made me mad and sixth grade. Another was getting in trouble School especially talking, that's what really bugged me was writing sentences. Those awful sense is that my teacher made me, write, hours and hours. I'd sit and write 50, 100 150, sentence day, and night. I wrote those Dreadful paragraphs, which embarrass me and more important made me ashamed of myself. What you turn deep down made me realize that writing sentences wasn't fair.

1:01:37 It wasn't fair to make me suffer like that. It just wasn't fair to make me sit and write until my bones ache. And so my hand felt horrid pain. I got madder and madder until I cried and I cried because I was ashamed that cried because I was disgusted. I cried, because I was mad. And I cried for myself, the kid kept on having the right this damn sentences. My angriness from 6th grade will scar my memory for life, and I'll be ashamed of my sixth grade year forever. And then the final page was a map of a neighborhood with the word punishment on it. Now, the map wasn't a perfect replica of Danville, but the cops determined, it looked like some sort of fantasy killing ground. And they do believe that this may have been written by Joseph, I don't know. But just another weird detail for you. At the beginning of 1979, there are no rapes and then they start again in March and six more happen until July and the rapes stopped Yeah and I think it's because in August Joseph got caught shoplifting dog repellent and a hammer from a pay and save these items only cost twenty dollars but the store cloak was a beast because he liked tackle Joseph and tied him to a chair. So in the Auburn PD showed up.

1:02:58 They see one of their own tied to a chair by a civilian, he suspended immediately. In October a jury, finds him guilty of misdemeanor theft. He gets a hundred dollar fine on a six-month probation. He files an appeal in November but gonna fall through with it. Joseph told his family that he had put the items in his waistband just to see if they fit their not to steal them. But he is livid with auburn PD and expresses a desire with James to kill his bosses. Joseph told his family that in the end, there was some kind of settlement with auburn PD, but there's no record of that.

1:03:41 And with this, the Eastern rapist stops. However, the emotional trauma of these events go on to haunt the victims. He was sadistic, sometimes he'd Force deliver the tie up their husbands. He would put a stack of dishes on the husband's body so that he struggled and knocked it over, he would know. Interestingly enough, some of the victims said that the actual rate part only lasted for a minute or so, but the rest of the time he would make these threats and then he would walk through the house for hours, just wrecking stuff. Like I said he'd get a beer he'd watch TV while they were tied up. There was one final attempt on October 1st 1979 a few weeks before his court date a couple and galleta California near Santa Barbara where attacked the woman said she heard the robber walking back and forth saying over and over I'm going to kill you and the woman ran for the door but he caught her. And when she screamed her husband jumped out of bed to help Joseph foot on a bike.

1:04:40 I gotta take a regular bicycle. And the couple actually lived next door to an FDR officer who happened to be home when is it up chasing him in his own vehicle? But Joseph ditch the bike is her hopping fences. Now, December 30th 1979. The police think that Joseph killed again. The victims here are orthopedic surgeon, Robert Offerman, and his wife, Deborah Manning. They were found in their home and galleta, which is just like before near Santa Barbara. Both were bound naked and had been shot almost execution style, but Robert had two additional shots to the back. The bullets were off from 38 caliber bullet, from a 38 caliber gun.

1:05:21 Now, there have been burglaries in this area before the murder and 1979 showed a increase in homicides, in Santa Barbara which is usually a. It's a pretty quiet Beach. Town that had was known for its fitness and health businesses in the 70s. The beginning of 1980 brings change for Joseph and Sharon. They buy a house in Citrus Heights and Sharon finishes up her schooling and begins looking for a job as attorney. At one point, they're living in two homes, as Sharon is living and working in LA and Joe is staying in Citrus Heights. This is important because there are some crimes that happen near I'll lay, and it makes sense because he would have been traveling back and forth to visit her. So, that would be March 16. 1980 Lyman Smith and his wife. Charlene are both executed in their home. They were found naked and bound this time. However, the attacker had used a log to beat the both of them to death.

1:06:21 It was a pretty gruesome scene and even more horribly. They were found by Gary Smith. Lions 12 year old son, Gary lived with his mother and Charlene was his mother-in-law, and so he would come over like, on the weekends and he would mow his dad's lawn and he found his father's body. Maybe that's what he was doing. Just that interestingly enough, the houses aren't being trashed anymore. But one thing that he is leaving behind that he didn't leave behind really was for was the semen sample. which, Which we know will L be connected to Joseph.

1:07:03 Now for people in California, the city of Ventura is 400-mile, cute little area. So we're talking about roughly what, like 30 in Cordova, another hundred and fifty in the Sacramento area. Now and now, 400 miles away. We have killings happening for the police. These don't make sense that they would be connected because they don't know that Sharon is working in LA. So he has reason to be in LA. And so that's why these crimes are happening here. But for people who didn't know, it was him, obviously. They didn't have any reason to assume that the person who they would name the original Night Stalker. Is the same person as the East area rapist. The next murder happened on August 21st, 1980 another couple Keith and Patrice Harrington.

1:08:04 They are found in their home and Laguna Niguel California. They were in their beds and unlike the prior to they sure to home with Keith's older Father. Robert Keefe was a medical student at UC Irvine and Patrice was a nurse and just like with a Smith's. They were bludgeoned with a piece of wood and they had marks on their wrists showing. They've been bound at some point but he cut them loose when he was done. Patrice was sexually assaulted in the police. Did recover semen from her body? This crime took place an Engaged Community, which is definitely very alarming for the community. But she also got a think a game is only useful. If somebody is not intending to get around it, But what this is important for is that the people who Joseph are attacking our, what many people call low risk, okay. High-risk victims are people who work on the street live on the street homeless people runaways, usually the general victims in a lot of our cases, so the fact that he is specifically targeting people who should be safe is scary. He's taking nothing from the house and he is no longer getting his jollies for making people. Feel unsafe in their homes.

1:09:18 He's escalated past the need to, to taunt his victims. After he rapes them, the new highest murder. The Killing stopped temporary from the fall of 1980. And to 1981, this is around the time period where Sharon moves back in with Joseph and she's pregnant with her first child. That first daughter is born, September 1981. Her name is Misha and Joseph would kill Manuela women in Irvine, California in February of 1981. Now Manuela was a teller for California, First National Bank and her husband was actually in the hospital and she was attacked. Another one that looks like he landed. She was found wearing her bathrobe and wrapped up partially in a sleeping bag.

1:10:04 She had been hit in the back of the head, with a blunt object and had been tied up as well semen found at the scene as well. Interestingly enough Joseph tormented manuela's husband and his second wife for like another decade. He would call them and say he was going to kill them. Just heavy breathing on the phone. The couple actually ended up moving away from California. To get away from these phone calls and David wooden died in 2008. He actually did not get to ever learn who killed his first wife. Rhonda David's, second wife said that, when the feds showed like played those old voicemails again because they, they, they're a bunch of them from the 70s and to like 2001.

1:10:52 But when they replayed them again, recently, she said she recognized them from the phone calls that she And David heard over the years. Now, July 27th, 1980 one. Another couple is killed and galleta again. So the third hit and galleta. Let's Greg Sanchez and Cherry Deming and Sherry Domingo. Now, Sherry was house-sitting a home. That were removed, the it belonged to a group of Errors who are putting up for sale, like one of their family members died, but they wanted somebody at the home so that it wouldn't be a target for thieves and usually Sherry had her daughter. Stay with her.

1:11:32 When she was there at the, you know, these things. But Sherry's daughter was out with her friends, like at her friend's house, that night and more than likely, they think that Joseph saw this house because he saw a mother and daughter coming and going. Now, Greg was described in a lot of the news articles as Sheree's boyfriend. But according to family friends, the two had broken up and they had remained close friends. So I'm wondering if Greg was there because share a Sherry's daughter wasn't and it was kind of, you know, to protect them in this big. House. And fortunately, neither of them survived that night the following morning, a group of real estate agents arrive to do a home inspection and found their very battered remains. Greg was found completely naked face down partially in the bedroom closet, there was a gunshot from the back that went through his cheek, but that did not kill him. What did kill him was being hit in the back of the head 24 times.

1:12:27 It looked like Joseph Blitz, attacked him and didn't even tie him up, Sherry was naked lying face down on the bed and her arms at some point have been bound behind her back. She was hit several times in the head as well. This is about the time that the police are like this, seems like a serial killer. And so, that's the media called him, the Night Stalker, and he is known as the original Night Stalker, eventually the acronym, EA are ons. Became what? Those of us who follow this case online called him, but that doesn't happen until the 2000s for now, the police think that the East area rapist is different guy in Sacramento, and the Night Stalker is a different guy. Like I said, Nisha, D'Angelo's born in September the whole huddle family rejoices.

1:13:16 We have another grandchild because James already had two daughters Sharon's working for the National Labor Relations Board. And Joseph isn't really working at all. He in some kind of being a stay-at-home dad for a little bit. It's odd. Yeah it's obvious he's a primary parent because he's not really a touchy-feely kind of guy and he definitely tries to police all of his family's Behavior. Like oh how kind of bullying James to not like show affection to his own kids when they're all hanging out together which is weird and I yeah 1982 comes and official Sharon is officially added to the State Bar of California. This is a very exciting moment that Sheridan wish you would time. And working as a divorce attorney that same year and the police were at a loss because all the murders just stop. I wonder if this is like because Joseph is now responsible for a kid, pretty much all the time and he just doesn't have the time.

1:14:21 Right. Yes, he's too busy. You put the child rearing? No, they usually don't. Well that does firstly. That's the first time I've heard like you know when he served Killers just like what part of me off the walls if his truck doesn't have to sustain him, I mean for children for a child. Yeah, they don't need to see James and his book tells a story about how one time he went over to Joseph house. And Joseph showed him this like big gold bar. And he's just like, where'd you get this? And he's like Vietnam. But what James thinks is that all those like gold earrings and rings that he stole from his victims, he melted them all down. And that gold bar is his trophy.

1:15:14 Did she know you're no burglaries and assaults? No murders happen again until 1960 1986. So the stuff I stole just at the caring. Got hanging Oaks sharing briefly work for the state of California, but hated the politics and she open her own practice around this time. Sasha D'Angelo was born in November of 1986 and right before sponsors birth that final murder was committed that we know of It was one of the worst. The victim was Janelle Cruz. She was 18 years old and worked for a pizza place called Boeing goes. Pizza as a cashier. By now, I think a lot of people probably felt like it was safe. I've been for years, no rapes, no murders. But unfortunately, for Janelle, he just wasn't done on May 4th. She was home alone in Irvine and according to her sister, Michelle Crews, who had to identify her body. Her sister did have binding marks on her wrists. The police said, she'd been raped and Michelle said that she was being to the point of all recognition Jenelle's. Mother was on vacation and real estate agents who are praising their home discovered her body that following day. The police had all but forgotten about the EC, a rapist at this point and instead, they fixated on Gregory Gonzalez. Now Greg engine now.

1:16:32 But both spent some time in rehab for drugs and that's how they knew each other and Greg told somebody. He killed his friend Janelle. And the police were like, hey, we got a confession, we're good. It wasn't until they begin cross testing these cases against the DNA. They eventually get in the system that they learn. That this was actually another Golden State killer. Now, James huddle, guess who he's divorced from his wife. After his wife has an affair and he moves a lot closer to the family and James, and Joseph, and Sharon all our spend a lot more time together. James has two daughters, Deanna, and Nicole, and Joseph has Sasha, and Misha, and the cousins get to play together. Joseph puts up, an above-ground pool, the kids play the men Grill Joseph, during this time, picked up building model boats and the men spend hours building delicate, you know, both models as his daughters grow up.

1:17:33 Joseph teaches them how to shoot James, not really interested. In teaching his daughters had a whole guns. James says that he's not always the most stable during these years, he would lose his cool over very minor things and yell a lot of the girls Only once at all these family gatherings. However, did James really experienced Joseph as the Golden State killer, so the two families really liked horror movies and they would get together and watch all the scary movies and they watched all the grades pumpkin said Freddy Krueger Jason Chucky but one night. They're all sitting around watching Texas, Chainsaw Massacre. And James sees a little crack in the facade. He said that while they were watching the film Joseph's eyes, get wide and like, clenches his teeth. And he's talking through the 10th clenched teeth, which is the same way he talked to his victims and he called them on the phone.

1:18:29 Not really sure why watching that particular movie caused him to kind of relive something but it did interestingly enough. He discouraged his children from watching anything True Crime related. Repeatedly referred to True Crimes cases as junk and he would make them change the channel if he saw it and I'm like, was he scared that somebody might recognize him as? Yeah. Yeah. The FBI have released. Some of those phone calls that he made to the victims, interesting things jumper talking about. So yeah, house got burglarize, not much was stolen but it was traced to a guy living out of a motel.

1:19:12 Ended up getting their things back, but the kids are scared and like Joseph took them around the house and showed them like all the security to like make sure the kids felt safe. Now, in terms of his General Life with his family, he's a strict guy. A lot of his military training is passed down into the kids cleanliness. Not eating or drinking too many sweets. We don't need the air. Conditioner on all day. We can handle it, not bullying, a cousin or a sister for being a bit chubby. He's actually really serious about that not being wasteful with your food. He wore a white shirt and white pants virtually every single day, perfectly ironed, he's meticulous and most of his daily activities. even his lawn was perfect to the point where his neighbor said that, like, he had these weird Boulders in the yard where he can't really get the weed whacker to close obviously.

1:20:02 So he would cut the grass, knew the boulder to make sure it was perfect and aligned with the rest of the year. He insisted that the dishes always get done that. The doors are never left open. He was prone to yelling at kids for getting messy, but like, you can't stop kids from being messy. His behavior seems a little bit more erratic when you look at how his interpersonal relationship with kids. I doubt the children noticed it, but it was something I noticed in hindsight in his book. He said the first time that his eldest daughter went for a sleepover Joseph, made them sleep in separate rooms, which is not normally how sleepovers go.

1:20:42 It was almost like he was worried that there was something inappropriate that would happen between the girls. Now, later on, he relaxes this restriction and puts up a tent for the girls in the living room, but like there are other situations that popped up like apparently like me show would like get out of the bath wet and like, you know, chase her cousin and he would get like really upset about that. Like put your clothes on right away. He didn't like, any of the kids playing inside the house and he insisted that they played outside in the grass of the driveway. It's weird. Because all in all he seems like a decent dab. A little bit neurotic what he did right by his own kids. At least some of the best thing I can say about him because apparently he wasn't the best husband and by 1999 1991, things are falling apart between him and share it.

1:21:26 And when I'm researching this right, everybody was makes jokes about November babies Scorpios with the concept that We were all born. We were all conceived on Valentine's Day. So he has one November baby. He has another child that's born in September and his third, child is born in May and some try to figure out and they're like years ago part. So I'm wondering how frequent the love life between Sharon and Joseph was when he was assaulting women, virtually every weekend. Sometimes there were hits twice a night and if his kids were some of them conceived on major like, around major holidays or events. And here's the thing, apparently, Sharon told James that they slept Different beds and that it very well have may have started when she was studying for law school because she was getting done with her studying at like 3:00 and 4:00 in the morning.

1:22:19 So like ripping and couple that virtually probably never really had a whole lot of sex. And it was probably just for procreation, and they never went back to the never slept in the same bed. Reminds me of somebody. Does it it? Do you remember a certain man in Ohio on Fox Hollow Farm, who never slept with his wife? Yeah, her but my sister did that too. He pretty much only slept with his wife for procreation purposes. My heart was closeted gay. I don't think in this situation are golden sake. You know, D'Angelo is. Closeted but I think he's getting his jollies elsewhere and more enjoyable than the actual sex is the terror that he is an active across these limit use. Yeah, no wonder if some of the disconnect and Sharon and James relationship has to be the fact that Sharon's wildly successful and Joseph rocks.

1:23:22 The only thing he'd ever really cared about Maybe we know that just before he and Sharon separated Sharon's making National headlines. She's working with the National Coalition against sir is surrogacy to change the laws around surrogacy. I guess, in the past Pete there wasn't like any like now there's agencies and contracts. There weren't really contracts of the past and so people are just like here's 20 grand, have my baby and people would like Take the Money and Run. I says huge case that happened in New Jersey with the over a baby M, as she was called and baby, I'm got taken from her mother because my mother wanted to back out of the surrogacy and New Jersey was just like know this family paid you for that baby.

1:24:09 So it was a big deal and this was a huge thing. There were lots of states that were abolishing Surrogacy as it was traditionally done and Cat, Sharon was working on it that in California. Also, the other thing here is that Sharon was very devoted to her clients. The Huddle's were exceptionally proud of Sharon for her work, but also she was breaking glass ceilings because law was downright hostile to women, when Sharon, decide to be an attorney in the 70s, she had endured and succeeded. So she was just pretty much a stellar lady. The to decide to separate. But live in the same house for the kids around 1991. She wanted her children to have their father and their life but Sharon confided in her brother that Joseph was very manipulative and neighbors would later, tell news, outlets of the couple had terrible fights like loud enough that everybody could hear.

1:25:04 She never really spoke much about life with him. But by the 90s, Joseph is working at first, save supermarkets, as a truck mechanic at the Distribution Center. He get exceptionally good health, Share and share them was working for this huge nonprofit, the to kind of had an understanding Joseph gets to say my wife, the lawyer and Sharon has the peace of mind that if her or any other girls get horribly sick. They're going to be taken care of, interestingly enough, even when he was arrested sharing never dumped on him, she asked to be left alone. She didn't file for divorce until after his conviction as the Golden State killer because like the smart attorney that she is Sharon knew that if She filed before his trial. She could be forced to testify against him and honestly, she just didn't want to be a part of it. The media has still like the media continue to Hound her so she just decided like I don't want to be a part of this case and ultimately they didn't need her they would have called her in and demanded.

1:26:07 She testify but they didn't need her to make the case against him. Now dial this back about two years, three years. Yeah, from 1989, Joseph gets in a filmmaking, his new passion, he has this good job, giving him money and benefits. His wife's doing great. The kids are doing great, he's not spending every waking moment moment, case in ladies houses to rate them. So he's got time for a new expensive Hobby. Of course, because Joseph is Joseph, he believes that his first film at the gate is going to be a banger. He makes a short film called into the dark 1989. When it doesn't do well, he spends three years working on a feature length. L called monster.

1:26:54 He can't convince the studio to pick it up. He can't even get a VHS DVD release. And well, that's the end of that. He does get arrested in 1986 for not paying for gas, but those charges were dropped and they never typical example, when they arrested him because this was the beginning of DNA evidence. And it was a non-violent offense Joseph, actually sued the gas station and one, because he wasn't involved in the crime at all, but he got pulled into again. Listen, he knows his rights, right? And then time passed. He focused on his kids. I'm being a good friend to people in his life, his employees, right? Yeah.

1:27:34 He was there for all of his children's, major Milestones, he began supporting his mother and father-in-law, and their elderly years. It was like, he'd put everything behind him except for an occasional need to leave a creepy phone call. He retired from Save Mart Distribution Center weeks before his arrest, his co-workers, and neighbors loved him and so did his children. But while Joseph is enjoying the spoils of his wonderful life. There are people behind the scenes who have been working on catching him for decades and he does not get to enjoy his retirement for too long and that is where I stop this week's podcast. When we come back next week we're going to go heavy into the investigative side of things.

1:28:17 The original case reopening the cases and then connecting all the dots and what it takes to put this guy in prison, and I was going to tell you, he is a trip until the end. Even even when he was in the courtroom during covid, I believe it to that next week. I believe it's all for me. Goodness. Oh goodness, I can't wait, I can't, wait. I really can't.

1:29:02 I want to hear all about it now, okay. So this week I have for you. All right. All right. I'm sorry about. Um so a little north of Gettysburg like five minutes outside of Gettysburg. Oh that's a nice. There is just a little town is called cashtown really. Even now do you know who you want to know why it's called cashtown, that's so interesting. Now they only accept cash. Yeah, I think it's just the the place we're talking about that only accepts cash but that's oh, wow.

1:29:50 Look at the map and like where it is. It's so tiny. Yeah it's it's the God, it's like a step. Yeah, you can drive right through it. G. You know the names of nine of them? Yes, I know about I think not is a nice. I think I don't know nine. Yes.

1:30:31 Goodness. Yeah, it's a Tiny Town. Like you go, you could drive right by it and just think you're in Gettysburg and I even believe that I. But anyway, I'm lucky. In the center of, I'm guessing is the center cashtown. Um, there is a hotel. So, is this like a ask you to talk about this cool, you know, someone who lives right next door and their pictures out. Yes. He is, I don't know. I don't like Gettysburg it really is. They're everywhere Park right next to it.

1:31:13 Before I go down there, it's just so much. Like there's see this is exactly. Is this is the closest? I will get to talk here about Gettysburg and less Mmm. Yeah, unless we do like some type of like, I don't know, some filming thing and do like, you know what I mean. There might be like a ghost rolling down there. People keep doing that's as close as I get to talking. Gotta like, oh, fluff, up the energy, but of what happened? Like, Look, so apparently they're re-enactors that March down that street in front of the cashtown Inn. Like the mark shows to get you know, the Gettysburg Battlefield very intense.

1:32:17 Okay. Oh goodness, gracious, not surprised. So, yeah, that's what I'm talking to. You have a friend Fran experience, haunt and it's apparently haunted. Nice, and yeah. And apparently, yeah, she's such, there's a little, there's a little kid that You see these walking down, not only her, but a lot of people who I don't like that, but I haven't seen them yet. But she has like another child is, but she seems to be but yes he just she sees them like I think she's like a small child, she's just really Gill and I'm going in the basement.

1:33:12 Yes, especially because like the lines of, yes, look, as modern Time Has Come, they've chopped up this land. You know what I mean? Like, the same thing happened with, with Herb Baumeister, like he bought like what 18 acres and like, half of that has been sold off now. So, you like a farm and other places still like, How much was the cat? Like, you know, I'm like you look at like with the cash tenant cute little house but like how much of the area around that was also originally part of it. Yeah.

1:33:52 Okay? So found out what you're able to do. That was part of it because I've seen pictures and it was just the cashtown Inn in the Rogue. Just straight up, dirt road, side of this has nothing to do with anything and I'm sure your friend will listen to what store across the street. I just want to know Let Brian know so I can now because I was raised in a city of like a hot million and a half. The she'll tell me it's so I don't understand why anybody would want to live somewhere where you can actually know everyone in town, sounds awful.

1:34:37 I mean, Where I Live Now is the smallest town. I ever. I wouldn't I don't know. For me like a small town, actually, spit some tantric. That's probably the smallest. I'm just because I don't really sit and that's not cat. That's just in town. If you count the surrounding areas like the prettiest, like I need to see the light in the city. They think it's like 15, but if you count the surrounding areas because it's kind of smushed as well. Stay in the area you live in. I don't think I could go to Jessica crowded. Okay so this building I got this built in 1790 97 it is right whatever.

1:35:37 Yeah so there So they had one Innkeeper. His name was Peter Micah Mark if it was that yes. Oh my God.

1:36:19 But yeah, he's the one that coined it to be invisible again. Cash only, which has fallen asleep that everything you've cashed out Kevin at that meant they were accepting, like, silver, these cash? We just take cash here. Oh, it was good. I mean paper money so we definitely didn't. He want that southern money? Them. That can then be Confederate dollars. Don't count for nothing up here.

1:37:01 I know he did. Actually never mind the federal dollars. Do count, Kesha Min was actually used for by Confederate soldiers. Like, mainly interesting. Yeah, he's like, they're like, yeah, give me that Confederate. Funny that your money is good. Here, please bring it here. Oh yeah, like a lot of Confederate soldiers officers, they stayed here at that job, man. Hey man, we don't support tree. And like a lot of famous Confederate name's Boba because my competitors here for the Confederacy, it's mainly because they it like the hotel if set, it's it's wrong, it's it's but it's set directly on the supply pipeline between Virginia and Gettysburg. So that's basically like that was like they're, they're stopping point right there for the Confederate soldiers. Um, know the seller in dust in it had, you know, different different things amenities for confederate. Guess they had be using Springs brick ovens if they wanted to like make bread.

1:38:29 And it's like, it was, it was also used as a field hospital for soldiers who had wounds or who were dying out there as well. There's a little note. This is Laura, suggest that so many limbs were amputated. That the pile eclipse, the seller Windows preventing sunlight. Yeah. Yeah, well yeah, it's it has a very, very rich, has a rich history just like you had it. There are a lot of people that have seen her, also, in 1993, there's a, I don't know, there's a movie Gettysburg, There's a movie is called Gettysburg and a lot of the actors stayed at this hotel, too.

1:39:31 It's just it's just, you know, your little side note looks like a lot of famous. Something many people stayed there. Hey, And also I read that, okay? It was featured in Ghost Hunters. That Ghost Adventures Ghost Hunters. So G. It is just is, just like the guys who, you know, who are risking their, they just okay, notice some things moving around and they caught some voices on the recording devices as well. Yeah, so there are there are a lot of ghost sightings are there a lot of?

1:40:19 Yeah, I came across when accidentally while I was just looking at pictures a little bit. Sir. I know window. The middle window? Just a face in the middle window. Yeah. I don't like I don't like that but if you do, you guys have one with the guy upstairs in the window just looking down. Yes, yes. Oh okay, I'm here for it. Okay so I have a you know, since it's a hotel people read reviews about hotels I know, um, you and it's a, it's a, it's titled lovely in it really haunted and it's a five star review and it goes, I am my husband stayed. He's their vacation, we had taken a lot of peculiar pictures inside and out of this lovely in had a fantastic dinner there. Okay, first night, spent their Hertford steps, how in the hallway late at night from the That soldier who walks the Halls second night second night.

1:41:32 Heard the footsteps. Again, they approached the door to our room and stopped and then a light knocking at the door. My husband and I were Sam and Anita vitamin knocking knocking. They heard footsteps inside our room. Listen, vampire rules do not apply a know. They say he's, I guess he's trying to be polite but he's like not see ghosts know Oh was the footsteps stopped? At the foot of our bed. Something began to lightly poke that mattress up and down, along with a light shaking of the mattress. I'm I, yeah.

1:42:25 I and my husband were not doing this. We were laying perfectly still in a mattress, then the mattress began to Ripple. When you like when you drop a pedal, a pebble in a Then I began to feel someone lightly touched me on the shoulder and it was not my husband. We were not disappointed on the in dinner room nor haunting highly recommend this in PS. The pictures we took inside and in our room showed, several orbs and spirit seeing to Civil War July 1st, through 3rd. But yeah, that's it like you said, just knocking and just let yourself in and then jumped on the bed and everything. Click.

1:43:24 No, this is my room. You guys are staying in my room. However, they were doing was jumping on the bed. Yes. Why it was wobbling. He's focused. I don't know what the Poke the bear was about. Oh no, we're not gonna talk about that. He was trying to do this this. So can I help you guys out to the oh my God. But yeah, I'm multiple multiple guests have reported coming back to the rooms to find out. Their suitcases have been packed and their television. I think it's a long turn it on and off and it will get out in the night.

1:44:18 The stampeding sounds of army horses. And only after that is done. Don't worry about like dogs. Get out. Get out my room now. Since the owners themselves have witnessed shadowy apparitions. Disappear. Right from in front of their eyes. Now, like there it states on here that the like there's a lot of like ghost tours but the cashtown like there goes a lot of course is Gettysburg but like there are a lot of ghost tours in Gettysburg but the cashtown Inn isn't in the Gettysburg. Ghost tour route.

1:45:15 So if you guys want to Ghost tour. That's not in Gettysburg. Cashtown Inn go there cuz Especially was a July 1st with somebody walking up and down the hall. Let me know what happens because I mean, I don't like that. Oh my God. That's all I'm saying. Like don't disturb my rest. That's I don't like it. There's like multiple pictures of that like, horrible face. No.

1:45:56 Thank you. Please don't come in here and bug me like what you call it? Just thank you. It's the words for what it really is. Yeah it is. It's like it's like an an ultrasound photo. You know what I mean? Like a baby and it's just yeah. Now, when I look at TripAdvisor and but yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of activity there, if you're staying there and you probably won't be disappointed.

1:46:38 Now, that one you at all? That's reset 2005. Very cool. Yeah, check him out. It's it's Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Because I mean, you travel for work so you're everywhere. It's another child. Oh yeah, I haven't been to any other old houses that were built around that time so and And she, I think she said her house is old as hell too.

1:47:21 So I'm pretty sure that little boy, but a little child, that the people manage to make yourself or is being a part of being kind of commercial 2020 hotel. In this is a very small looking place that can't have that many rooms, you know, so they need that money. Okay well it's a so that's good that they made it. Yeah it's not only and I think it's a general store to is there is a story so you know other things. Yeah. So Your quest to talk about all of haunted. Pennsylvania.

1:48:03 Oh that's that's basically that's all we got. Listen, if you want to be complete I am working on it. Like you eventually it all covering. I'm not touching Gettysburg everywhere else. Thanks so much for listening. We hope you had a good lesson this week with us and we will finish Next week conversation about the horrors of Joseph James. D'Angelo thanks for all the people who are constantly asking me when the next podcast would be. You don't understand, but it does make us feel like it's important to you. If you ask when we're gone, you know what I mean? Like, you care that we weren't here. And thank you so much for losing it. Really does.

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