Who was Aileen Wuornos? & Baba Yaga

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Hey, everyone.
In serial killer country.

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My name is Brittany.
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killers.
We love to learn about every

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week.
Brian and I will discuss two

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in, then will lead you down the
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most importantly how they got
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Give us a walkthrough the

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creepier Of life with the
discussion of the Paranormal or

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Cryptids and this week in True
Crime, it's another cold case

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solved.
Oh yay, I love these.

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Yeah, San Diego.
Jury convicts.

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A man for a murder that happened
in. 1969, this past week in City

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Heights, they were able to use
DNA evidence and forensic G and

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genealogy the way that they are
finding these killers these

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days.
Yeah.

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It is the way.
Yep to find.

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John suppose in a November 1969.
Rape and murder of a woman named

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Mary Scott, the Final
deliberation was last Thursday

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and he is 76 year-old but you
know what?

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Seventy six year olds can still
get convicted of first-degree

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murder.
This is true.

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Yeah, at the time Mary was 23
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She was a go-go dancer, she had
two kids, and they found her in

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her apartment in Cal.
Listen, Sandy, is it City?

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It's in San Diego.
On 39th Street near University

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Avenue.
He raped and strangled her and

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he actually kicked in her door.
He left behind loads of DNA

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evidence which now and, you
know, the 2020s we've been able

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to link back to him so it's
always nice when people actually

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think about desserts.
Yeah.

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Eventually they get it.
Yeah, his sentencing is

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scheduled for April 22nd and
then he's expected to get a

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seven-year to life term
sentence, but, honestly, seven

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years might be All he has left.
So yeah, especially with David

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still going around and a red
nose.

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Really got a lot of covid in the
beginning so who knows but yeah

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hope that her family feels some
Solace.

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You know she does have two
children who are still alive.

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It was reopened in 2018.
Once they use the same forensic

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genealogy to find the Golden
State.

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Killer Pretty much California
was like, oh, we on his, this is

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good.
Let's do this.

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Let's keep going this nice.
They they keep going through

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their old files and honestly,
you know, getting more close

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cases.
The guy cipo was arrested in

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2020 and Mary, Scott's youngest
daughter, Donna weibull, just

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never expected that they would
find the Killer.

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Her and I and when she was
completely in shock

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unfortunately her older sister
died in 1983 in a car crash so

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the only one left alive is the
youngest know.

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There's some closure right
there.

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Then for her though.
All you good love that.

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Yeah, absolutely.
Okay, so remember your old

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apartment and how you used to
live when I taste for.

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Mmm.
Okay, so I'm not going to ask.

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What would happen if you do have
out of there, but right before I

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moved out, like a couple months,
A man jumped from the top like

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the open area.
Yeah, he was a Vietnam, vet.

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Sad.
Oh goodness.

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Okay so it happened in that
building which was 13.

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Stories high.
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Okay well in Washington d.c.,
there's a woman who jumped out

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of her a floor, our eighth floor
of her apartment building and to

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get away from an attacker.
Did she live.

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She lived Ice, did she hit
things on the way down?

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I'm not sure because that seems
how you slow the acceleration.

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Yeah.
But there's some Physics

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happening here.
Y'all know, I don't know.

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Science and give once you get
some like a assume that once you

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get to like a maximum speed and
then if you hit something that

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would hurt but then it would
slow it down.

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Definitely was slow you down a
little bit and then it just, you

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know.
Yeah, we'll pick right back up

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after if you haven't gotten to
the The bottom floor yet.

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Actually, you know, one thing I
heard it was well, because it

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was this kid who didn't like
feel any pain when she got hit

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by a car and she virtually, she
only broke her arm, nothing

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else.
Bad happened.

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And they said, the reason why
she didn't is because normally

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when like the natural human
instinct, when you're about to

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hit something is to tense up and
we lock up and then when those

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locked limbs hit Earth or a car
or something, they break so

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essentially If you're falling
from afar height, just noodle

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just, you know, try and relax
mr.

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Noodle sorry this is reminding
me of freaking Elmo Sesame.

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Okay, so it's funny that you
imagine, I mean, if you

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mentioned like being tensed up
and so because her hands and her

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feet were bound together, not
together, not as she was hogtied

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but you know, our feet without
bound and their hands were And

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this person had her like cuffed
or like, you know, right.

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So okay, so this happened on
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So, it says, Metropolitan
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They, you know, they received a
call about a woman falling from

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an apartment on the 8th floor
and you know, they said the

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woman was bound and she was in
critical condition.

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So she was already on the ground
when he got this call.

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Yeah.
So the person who I guess the

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attacker, his name was Kyle
Kylie, Jamal, Palmer and he's 22

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years old and away at 22, man.
I know and apparently they had a

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son together.
So this was her ex who was

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trying to harm her look, we've
heard like this is all domestic

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stuff.
It's With your family, the

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partner, you know, not a
stranger but damn.

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Yeah.
And it was probably some type of

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custody thing going.
I can only imagine what the hell

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is going on.
Yeah, it sucks.

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That like the only like the
people that are most likely to

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hurt you.
Are the people that you trust.

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Yeah.
And it's virtually impossible to

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go through life and not like
trust and open yourself up to

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people and I just frigging
sucks.

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Yeah, so this actually happened
at 7 p.m. a lot of people were

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home to see this happen.
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And I guess the reason for it
says that Mr. Palmer he The area

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the scene and then he fled the
scene.

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Yeah, if you're smart, yeah,
before the cops arrived but then

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he returned to the scene when
the cops are still there.

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He was this.
The report says he was

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distraught.
So wise.

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So, police arrested him after.
Interviewing him at the woman's

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identity has not been released
yet.

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If it will be release.
Who knows let her heal in peace.

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Yeah.
Police say that they they

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recovered a rifle style ghost
gun.

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I he was going to kill her.
Hey I don't know what's a ghost.

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Gonna let me do this real quick.
Cuz ghost gun.

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It sounds like.
It may not have been a real

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thing.
I just sounds like a cool gun.

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Oh you know what?
The yeah, nevermind, it's an

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untraceable gun so yeah, it real
gun, he was ghetto ruin her.

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Yeah.
And some and they said they

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found some type of reptile.
Okay, I don't know.

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I don't know why they made was
important.

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Thanks for mentioning your kind
of reptile was now.

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I don't even know.
Now it was.

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Yeah it was it a snake, was it?
Let me know.

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Was it an illegal alligator?
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What if it was a Komodo dragon?
And then he was drunk.

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He was gonna kill her and try to
keep the body seems a good

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freaking Dragon.
I can only imagine this is like,

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take a very long time.
They are slow eaters.

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This is true.
But there, Are poisonous jail

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because it's so toxic.
Yeah, lots of creatures like

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lots of lizards are like that.
Why are we always get off topic?

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I know.
Okay, so anyway, so Mr. Palmer

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has been and he's, he's been
charged with assault with intent

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to kill, obviously, with the gun
in possession and possession

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with an unregistered firearm and
possession of a large capacity

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of ammunition ammunition,
feeding device.

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So, I guess he had like an extra
and this is like a They're using

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ghost, I think for the reason
because this is one of those

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guns that was probably used sold
back out onto the street.

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All identifying markings and
serial numbers are scratched

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off, scratched off or or you
know, melted off and so I can't

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be traced, the only thing they
have are the striations of the

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bullets to link cases together.
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Yeah, he was deaf.
He was definitely going to kill

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her.
So yeah, it's a good that she

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got away and she's in she is as
of this news report she's in

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critical condition but still you
know still she made it.

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All right.
Yeah they say how old their

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child was.
No, just his infant son.

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So, oh no.
He's baby, baby.

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This was the first year.
Yeah, baby.

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Yeah, that's a, that's right,
that's right.

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So two people listening, I know
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So just letting you know keeping
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If there you go,
now one of the things that I

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told people that I would do this
year is I would periodically

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discuss some of the bigger names
this year.

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We've talked about Bundy Alcala.
It's shaping up to like once a

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month.
So today I'm going to talk about

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a serial killer that is
extremely polarizing in the True

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Crime Community.
Every single Tick Tock.

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I've even mentioned her name in
the comments, descend into

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whether she was justified,
whether she was traumatized, or

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whether she was just a
cold-blooded killer that woman

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is Aileen, wuornos.
There has been many a

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conversation as to whether she
deserved the death penalty.

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If her case was sensationalized,
if it was used to help, people

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get into better political
positions in Order Eileen stands

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is a particularly interesting
case because she is unlike any

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other women serial killer in the
vein of being transparent.

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I do want to say that I have my
biases about this case and I am

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generally sympathetic to her
plate.

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I will do my best to tell the
story as it happened and not

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lean too hard, either direction
and Brian.

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If you're wondering who Eileen
was a movie came out when we

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were in high school.
School called Monster.

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Okay.
Remember that movie with

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Charlize Theron as Eileen?
It was Charlize Theron and

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Christina Ricci.
Oh, okay.

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I lie.
I like Charlize did the work to

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look identical to Eileen.
Christina, did not look like The

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Other Woman though.
I vaguely.

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Remember the movie.
I haven't seen it in a while.

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Okay.
All right.

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So, like every week we start at
the beginning, Aileen, wuornos

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was actually born Eileen, Carol,
Pittman and watch Esther

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Michigan.
On February 29th, 1956.

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Her parents were Diane and Leo
deal Pittman.

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And they were 14 and 16 years
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When they got married on June,
3rd 1954, there were definitely

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questions about whether this was
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Eileen's, older brother was born
nine months after they got

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married.
Oh, on top of it, there are

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definitely some discrepancies in
the marriage certificate, and

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it's believed that Diane's
parents, may have faked her

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birth certificate, so that she
could get married, you know,

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having babies out of wedlock was
not okay back then.

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And to be frank, history books,
remember Leo Dale, Pittman as an

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abusive psychopath bordering on
potentially pedophilic.

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There were certain discrepancies
with Wiz age.

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I saw multiple dates of birth
for him, so the age range was

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between 16 and 19.
Oh, who exactly?

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So one seems more reasonable.
And one seems not reasonable at

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all.
That one's not good.

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The 19's looking really bad on
you buddy.

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But regardless, they tried to
make it work because now they

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were married and Eileen was born
about nine months after her

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brother.
What is the history books aren't

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kind to Leo?
Honestly, he was described as

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kind of a monster of a person.
They're only a couple stories.

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We know about this man but that
he was raised by his

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grandparents.
And then when his grandfather

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died, his grandmother tried to
like spoil him and like, make

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him feel better because his
grandfather was died and he

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responded by physically beating
the crap out of his grandmother

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all the time, what?
Hitting her when he wanted

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money.
They all said he used to tie

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cats tails together and then put
them over a clothesline and

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watch them fight until one
killed the other, bro.

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No, yeah, Diane was absolutely
terrified of her husband and

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thankfully the children weren't
old enough to experience these

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things.
The marriage didn't even make it

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two years before Diana filed for
divorce, Leo was not there for

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Eileen's birth because he'd
gotten himself, arrested for

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raping a 17 year old girl and
kidnapping her and trying to

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take her to another state.
He spent chime in prison into

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different.
Mental institutions was

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diagnosed with schizophrenia
before they finally sent him to

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a regular prison.
There were Rumors in town that

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one of the other young girls, he
was messing with went missing

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and he'd tried to Her to go
avoid going to jail in the end.

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He ended up hanging himself in
1969.

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Eileen didn't have any
relationship with him.

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Wow.
Well, Diane didn't want to be a

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mom, and she didn't want to be a
single mom of two kids at only

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17 years old even more.
So finally in 1960, when Eileen

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was for and Keith was sick, she
dropped them off at her parents

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house.
And this is the most bizarre

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thing, okay?
Because Diane was like 18.

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So she was still a kid herself.
And so she would like, be around

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every once in a while but
Diane's parents Lori and Britta

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10's adopted their grandchildren
as their own children.

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And then they move to Troy
Michigan.

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I mean, here's the thing.
Keith was old enough to remember

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that.
He had a mom.

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Oh, okay, that's different.
Where's Mommy at Grandma's?

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Like, I'm your mommy.
Okay, I guess they really had no

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intention of telling Eileen the
truth and they hope that Keith

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would just forget.
I mean, you're 68 like that

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memory is going to fade a little
bit, but cats.

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Gosh, darn it.
Yeah, Laurie worked at the Ford

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factory and Britta was a
stay-at-home mom who was already

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taking care of her.
Other two kids on top of you

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know Diane coming back and
forth.

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She wasn't really excited about
having two more kids to deal

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with but they finalize the
adoption on March 19 1960.

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They live This old like yellow
one story Ranch House in Troy

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off of Interstate 75 Eileen
talks about.

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Remembering the city of Troy as
a really nice place.

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It was kind of rural, a
tight-knit community Lori.

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And Britta were very nice to
their neighbors, but not very

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cordial, they never invited
anyone into the house.

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Britta kept the windows and the
curtains shut tight.

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And that was because they had a
lot to hide.

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Okay, both loriann Britta were
Serious alcoholics.

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Lori was a violent drunk, who
abused both of the children,

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physically and sexually Eileen
said that it didn't start

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sexually at first, but he beat
her and a man that she stripped

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before whipping her, sometimes
it was over his knee.

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Other times, he would have,
whichever child was in trouble,

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like bend over a table like
spread eagle or like, over a bed

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and a very sort of Psychological
torture way, he would have the

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children clean and like
conditioned the leather belt

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that he used.
Wow, Eileen described it as

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almost ritualistic, they had to
like oil and clean and massage,

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the item that was meant to hurt
them.

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That's that's like a kid going
out to get the switch.

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That's going to whoop your butt.
Yes.

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And people totally used to do
that and it's super

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traumatizing.
Yeah.

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Lori was a very intimidating
man, and Eileen wasn't exactly

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happy to be there.
And from the beginning, she was

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pushing back against his
parenting.

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And the thing is, once you're
already beating, the ever-loving

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crap out of a child, it's very
hard to rein them in.

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What are you going to do?
Hit me some more people do beat

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me, okay?
Yeah, exactly.

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And so it became very common as
Eileen is growing up for them to

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just fight and Lori would tell
her that she was worthless.

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Worthless Eileen set in her own
by autobiography, and pretty

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much every interview that she
was sexually assaulted by both

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her brother and her grandfather.
And honestly, it's generally

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believed that she was being
pretty honest here because of a

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lot of things were going to
learn about her mental, health

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relationship, with sex and
intimacy.

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And the thing is Keith was also
sexually assaulted.

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And so, the outlet for this
pain, for the both of them was

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setting fires when the children
were eight and Six.

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They were setting lighter fuel
on fire and Eileen got a serious

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burn.
That was a scar on her face

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pretty much for the rest of her
life.

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Now it's six Eileen.
Enters Elementary School.

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And I can't imagine the kids and
the folks around town like

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didn't know one of the children
who lived near the wuornos house

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and rode the bus with Keith and
Eileen said that she always had

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bruises on her arms cheeks and
Chin.

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They say this person is also
said that, like people in town

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knew that Keith and Eileen were
sexual with each other, because

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they remembered that the older
boys used to tease Keith about

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having sex with his sister.
Oh my God.

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So you already have that going
into your school Rumor Mill but

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it was like, nobody really liked
Eileen.

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And so she would watch like the
other little kids like hold

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hands and like little tiny packs
on the flip side.

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She was getting favor from the
older boys, trading, sexual

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favors for cigarettes at 11
years old.

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Her classmates called her the
cigarette Pig.

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And the cigarette Bandit 1112
was also when Eileen learned

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that her parents were not her
parents, and they were her

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grandparents.
And at this point, she's already

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a pretty violent kid.
She's a terrible temper.

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She's constantly fighting with
Lori and this only set things

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off.
Further the fights got so bad,

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that Christmas of 1968 Eileen
said that Lori picked her up and

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threw her out in the snow, and
she tried to live in the woods,

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but she came back.
Two days later, he threw her out

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again.
And this time, she slept in like

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abandoned cars.
She ended up hanging out with

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her friend, Dawn, Bodkins, and
Don, and Eileen, actually

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hitchhike to California.
And this day, this solidified,

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their best friendship.
They actually would stay closed

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until Eileen was executed.
This is also the time that she

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starts drinking and doing drugs,
they ended up hitchhiking back

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to Troy.
And her grandfather did let her

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stay there but they would also
take trips to Hawthorne Park in

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Detroit and they would buy drugs
on Seven Mile Road by 12 years

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old Eileen was already a
full-blown alcoholic.

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And she would just like, go out
to like parties with older kids

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and she would wake up with dried
semen on her clothes or there

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were situations where people
would just like rape her at the

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party.
Like people were watching.

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It's terrible.
I told before we started today's

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episode, I told Brian this
wasn't going to be a good ride.

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This is probably one of the
worst childhoods of come across.

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It's terrible at school.
I'll I wasn't doing too well,

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her only real interest was Art
and she was considered to be

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like a really good artist but
she had trouble concentrating in

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school.
When she was 14, she set fire to

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a roll of toilet paper and the
girls bathroom.

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And one of her teachers sent
home a letter that was just like

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it quote, for quote, it is vital
for this girls welfare that she

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seeks counseling immediately.
Yes, I mean, yeah, That letter

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was ignored in 9th grade Eileen
was in class and accidentally

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set off a chemical explosion.
With one of her classmates, she

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suffered more Burns to her face
and arms and actually was

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hospitalized for a few days and
not allowed out of bed for

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months.
I'm sure she was miserable being

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in the house all day with these
people.

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Just stuck there.
Yeah.

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Now 1970 was a particularly
poignant year for Eileen.

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She made friends with this local
guy people called chief.

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He was an older man who was
dying from cancer and he used to

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let Eileen play records at his
house and he got his jollies

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from asking Eileen, the, like,
sit on his lap and he would give

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her money 1970s.
Also that year she got pregnant,

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though nobody knew of the child
was lorries or Keith's, or any

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of the other people who say, She
assaulted her at the time.

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Britta was not having another
child pregnancy on her watch.

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And so she said Eileen to a home
for unmarried mothers.

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Those places you're just kind of
supposed to live and wait until

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you give birth to the baby but
Eileen was angry.

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And when the other pregnant
girls tried to talk to her, she

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was like nasty to them.
The honestly, the home couldn't

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wait until she gave birth on
March 24, 1971.

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Oh, no, as a baby boy.
Who was immediately, put up for

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adoption and was and they never
heard from him again.

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Oh my goodness.
Okay, now when Eileen comes

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back, Lori has some news for
her.

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He's like I want you and Keith
out forever and he threatens to

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kill them.
If they don't leave British

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somehow softens her husband and
gets in the middle of this

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fight.
And she's just like, come on.

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They're only 15 and 17 years
old.

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Give it some time.
Coincidentally July 7th 1971.

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Britta wuornos died.
Oh just a couple months later

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I'm going to say it seems really
coincidental that it's a one

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protecting them four months
later after she defied Lori, she

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dies.
Apparently though she did have

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Have cancer, but it still it's
just like maybe he helped it

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along is all I'm saying, no was
liver failure.

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Sorry.
I was thinking it was lung

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cancer from the smoking, liver
failure from the alcohol.

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Oh, come on.
Yeah.

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Okay.
You could have kept feeding her.

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Yeah, I could see that
happening.

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Yeah.
Strangely though, Lori falls

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apart.
He pretty much has a nervous

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breakdown, he tries to kill
himself by flooding the basement

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with water and then he Stan's in
the water with the power on.

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You could easily done that.
I mean, I'm not very much less

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complicated ways to have
yourself.

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Look, I'm not really give you
the recipe or anything like that

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but you know how to do it, but
I'm just saying there are much

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less complicated.
Wait, yes ultimately, he ends up

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moving the kids to a new home, I
guess, you know, to leave behind

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the memories of his wife and you
know but he continued to decline

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and actually a couple Years
later, he did succeed in killing

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himself by sitting in the garage
with the car running and giving

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himself carbon monoxide.
Poisoning Eileen was the one to

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find him and True to how much
she didn't like this, man.

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She showed up at his funeral.
Blu cigarette, smoke in his face

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and then left nice.
Yeah, Eileen's mother Diane

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believe for many years.
That Lori killed Britta, but

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like I said, the official record
says liver failure.

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Like every one of the causes
years.

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Later, Eileen's, Uncle one of
the other children, Barry would

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testify her trial that he had
never seen Lori beat Eileen and

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that they all had a normal
upbringing.

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She was provided with food and
shelter, but that Eileen was

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very angry.
And I was just like one Barry

452
00:29:34,300 --> 00:29:37,200
being a good parent is more than
just giving your kids food and

453
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,200
shelter, and we need to move
away from that as a country.

454
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,300
Kids need compassion and
kindness and they need to be

455
00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:49,600
taught, not just, you know,
expected to learn everything

456
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,800
there, themselves believe kids,
learn stuff on around, you get

457
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,200
bad results, but we're going to
see some of those bad results to

458
00:29:56,700 --> 00:30:00,600
how Eileen was treated.
I think that more than likely

459
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,000
Barry wanted to paint his
family.

460
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:11,300
In a better light.
She and Barry disputed.

461
00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:16,000
This testimony Until the End.
Barry did say that Eileen was a

462
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,800
good student.
Had a wonderful artistic

463
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,600
abilities.
I'm also going to say that.

464
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,800
Barry was an older child and he
wasn't exactly there for most of

465
00:30:23,808 --> 00:30:25,800
the time that Eileen live with
Lori.

466
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,600
So how are you commenting on
what you weren't there to see?

467
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,100
Very true.
It could have been a good parent

468
00:30:36,100 --> 00:30:39,300
to you.
Yes, funny situations where step

469
00:30:39,300 --> 00:30:42,100
parents will sexually assault
the kid, that's not related to

470
00:30:42,100 --> 00:30:46,000
them.
So technically, this child was

471
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,200
related to him in a
two-generation, kind of skip

472
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,500
still gross.
Absolutely.

473
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,700
Now, when Diane learned that her
father died, she offered Keith

474
00:30:57,700 --> 00:31:01,100
and Eileen a place to stay and
taxes, but both of them were

475
00:31:01,100 --> 00:31:07,000
like ill, no Eileen.
Quit school left, home started,

476
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,200
hitchhiking and prostituting,
just to get away from Troy.

477
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,500
Despite the scars on her face,
she was still a very pretty fit

478
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,600
15 year old and a certain kind
of clientele are always looking

479
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:23,100
for somebody who is exactly that
age and to that specification

480
00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:28,800
and I'll get into it further.
Okay, despite the fact that she

481
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,000
had her hustle figured out
Eileen was still deeply

482
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,500
depressed, and she just kind of
bounced from City to City.

483
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,200
She pops up on the legal record
of 18 years old.

484
00:31:38,300 --> 00:31:41,500
She gets arrested in Jefferson,
Colorado, May twenty seventh,

485
00:31:41,500 --> 00:31:44,700
nineteen seventy-four driving
Under the Influence also

486
00:31:44,700 --> 00:31:46,900
underage drinking.
She also got a charge for

487
00:31:46,900 --> 00:31:51,100
disorderly conduct for firing, a
22 caliber pistol out of the car

488
00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:54,300
while she was drunk driving.
So, she was just joy riding and

489
00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:57,400
shooting in the air.
She was whooping it up, okay?

490
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,900
Eileen ignored, this move to
another state.

491
00:32:00,900 --> 00:32:05,800
And when her court case came she
wasn't there They added on

492
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,700
failure to appear to Harry now,
very massive list of crimes.

493
00:32:09,700 --> 00:32:13,000
And only one day, the police
were never able to track her

494
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,700
because she gave them her
working name at the time, which

495
00:32:15,700 --> 00:32:19,100
was Sondra Crush.
I'd love it.

496
00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:22,400
Okay, now Eileen decides she's
gonna hitchhike down to Florida,

497
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,500
Florida, seems nice.
And once she's down there, she

498
00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:28,600
meets 69 year old
multi-millionaire Lewis Gratz

499
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,500
fell, he picked her up.
And honestly, Lewis was

500
00:32:32,500 --> 00:32:37,100
immediately enamored with her.
And Eileen was like, this is

501
00:32:37,100 --> 00:32:42,300
weird but he has a lot of money
Lewis.

502
00:32:42,300 --> 00:32:45,200
Gratz was the yacht club
president of his area which I

503
00:32:45,208 --> 00:32:48,000
didn't realize what that means.
You have money money.

504
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,300
You're the president of the
yacht club.

505
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,900
I don't even know anything about
that because we don't live

506
00:32:53,900 --> 00:32:56,700
anywhere near where Yachts can
hang out.

507
00:32:57,500 --> 00:32:58,800
This is true.
This is true.

508
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,700
But I figure if you're like,
they'll present of a yacht club.

509
00:33:01,700 --> 00:33:04,400
Yeah you got to have that money.
That's that's money.

510
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,800
Money, real money problem here.
Was that Eileen was a poor girl

511
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,000
with a horrible operating who
didn't trust anyone.

512
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,600
And she was definitely used to
men only hurting her or using

513
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,300
her.
She didn't see that Lewis was

514
00:33:17,300 --> 00:33:20,800
trying to be like a white knight
and he thought he found like a

515
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,800
pretty girl who was kind of nice
and he's like if I just offer

516
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,700
her everything, she'll settle
down be the Stepford Wife.

517
00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:29,700
That I want you know Coast me
into my Twilight years.

518
00:33:31,100 --> 00:33:33,700
He offers to Mary Eileen and
she's like, okay sure.

519
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:39,300
Some reports have said that she
loved him but at this point in

520
00:33:39,300 --> 00:33:42,000
her life I don't think Eileen
was capable of really loving a

521
00:33:42,008 --> 00:33:48,400
man or anybody I think she
appreciated not being poor.

522
00:33:52,100 --> 00:33:55,900
Their wedding was March 1976.
She was 20 years old.

523
00:33:56,100 --> 00:33:58,500
They took photos that appeared
in the local newspaper.

524
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,900
This was like High Society news
and I'm going to tell you their

525
00:34:01,900 --> 00:34:03,800
marriage.
Lasted only nine weeks.

526
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,000
Oh damn twenty-year-old Eileen
was wild angry.

527
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,500
She had a horrible temper.
Just a few weeks after being

528
00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:16,199
murdered, she got arrested and
put in jail for assaulting

529
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:19,300
somebody in a bar when she got
back out.

530
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:23,300
Husband was like I need you to
like stop drinking and doing

531
00:34:23,300 --> 00:34:28,199
drugs and she hit him with his
own cane to try and force him to

532
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:32,900
give her money.
That's that's a good way to get

533
00:34:33,100 --> 00:34:35,900
money I guess.
Well, so Lewis was done.

534
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,900
He filed for an annulment put
her out of his house.

535
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,500
Eileen was like, yeah, might as
well go back to Michigan and she

536
00:34:42,500 --> 00:34:45,500
gets arrested in Antrim County
for assault and disturbing the

537
00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:47,100
peace.
Oh my God!

538
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,500
Yeah, she was at a bar and
through a cue ball at the

539
00:34:49,500 --> 00:34:53,699
bartender's had.
No, somehow, she avoids jail

540
00:34:53,699 --> 00:34:57,600
time there and on July 17th of
the same year, she learns that

541
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,600
Keith died from esophageal
cancer and then a couple days

542
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,500
after That her husband gets
granted that annulment because

543
00:35:03,500 --> 00:35:06,200
of the abuse.
I mean, is now husbandless.

544
00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:09,100
She does get ten thousand
dollars from her brother's life

545
00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:12,900
insurance policy which she ran
through part of.

546
00:35:12,900 --> 00:35:15,200
It was because she had to pay
off, court fees and attorneys

547
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,000
and things.
But the rest she spent on a new

548
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,900
car, which she immediately
racked one month later in

549
00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:28,300
August, while drunk driving, and
she crude 105 dollar, fine?

550
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,100
For drunk driving.
That's it.

551
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,500
I mean, it was 1976.
Okay.

552
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,700
All right.
Gotta remember that.

553
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,400
And that's today's money today.
It's like a four thousand dollar

554
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,000
fine and you might lose your
license definitely.

555
00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:46,900
Now, there was a rumor that Fred
was murdered, but that was just

556
00:35:46,900 --> 00:35:49,000
the media.
He lived a long life until the

557
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,900
age of 92 passed on January 6,
2009 funny business, natural

558
00:35:53,900 --> 00:35:56,700
causes he never spoke of Eileen
ever again.

559
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,600
He's like, this is the last time
I Help or random pretty girl

560
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,600
out.
I'll Aunt Eileen me.

561
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,200
I just stay off the criminal
record for the next two years.

562
00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:09,300
This time.
She pops up in a newspaper

563
00:36:09,300 --> 00:36:13,100
article in 1978, because she
tried to kill herself by

564
00:36:13,100 --> 00:36:16,900
shooting herself in the stomach
Eileen said, in her

565
00:36:16,900 --> 00:36:19,500
autobiography, that this was the
sixth time.

566
00:36:19,700 --> 00:36:24,500
She tried to kill herself since
she was 14 years old, she falls

567
00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:28,600
off the radar.
Again, until May 20th 1981 at 23

568
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,500
years old, she's living in
Edgewater Florida.

569
00:36:30,500 --> 00:36:35,900
Now, she gets arrested for
Robbery for stealing $35 and two

570
00:36:35,900 --> 00:36:39,800
packs of cigarettes.
She was held and then sentenced

571
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,300
to prison on.
May 4th 1982 released on June

572
00:36:43,300 --> 00:36:49,000
30th 1983.
The force was not with her that

573
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,800
day less than a year.
Later, May 1st 1984.

574
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,900
She gets arrested in Key West
trying to cash forged checks at

575
00:36:55,900 --> 00:36:59,400
a bank.
November 30th 1985, she's named

576
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,800
in the local papers.
In Pasco County Florida as a

577
00:37:01,808 --> 00:37:06,700
suspect in the theft of a
revolver, and also ammunition a

578
00:37:06,707 --> 00:37:09,800
couple months after that.
January 4th 1986, she gets

579
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,600
arrested again.
This time at Miami for car

580
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,300
theft, resisting arrest and
obstruction of justice.

581
00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:18,600
She was caring and D with her
aunts name on it and she was

582
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,100
carrying a 38 caliber revolver
and a box of ammo in her car.

583
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,200
Yeah.
She's can't stay awake somehow

584
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:31,900
she skips bail disappears.
Again, they find her again in

585
00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:36,300
Volusia County, Florida.
June 2nd 1986 this time because

586
00:37:37,500 --> 00:37:40,900
She was hanging out with a guy
and she pulled a gun on him and

587
00:37:40,900 --> 00:37:43,100
demanded $200.
That's what he said.

588
00:37:44,100 --> 00:37:47,200
When they detained her they
discovered ammunition in her car

589
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,800
and a 22 caliber pistol under
the passenger seat that she'd

590
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,600
been sitting in.
So it's probably true.

591
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,900
Yeah.
She is trying to rob him.

592
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:03,500
It was actually that that Eileen
had her first and probably only

593
00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:08,300
relationship she met tyria, more
a tag, Bar called zodiac in

594
00:38:08,308 --> 00:38:09,400
Daytona.
Florida.

595
00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:12,600
Tyria was 24 years old from
Cadiz.

596
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,700
Oh Ohio and a hotel.
Maid.

597
00:38:15,900 --> 00:38:20,900
Ty as Eileen called her.
Had left could is immediately

598
00:38:20,900 --> 00:38:23,700
because it was a really small
town of only 3,000 people.

599
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,100
And you can't really be a
lesbian, when the town's a

600
00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:30,300
small.
She left behind her, father, who

601
00:38:30,300 --> 00:38:33,000
was a carpenter and a brick
mason and a sister and three

602
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,500
brothers.
Now, from the moment that tie

603
00:38:36,500 --> 00:38:39,000
and Eileen, Matt, it was an
instant connection, but it was

604
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,000
also toxic and it would stay
that way for the next four

605
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,300
years.
They moved in together fairly

606
00:38:44,300 --> 00:38:47,300
quickly for Eileen.
She was just desperate for

607
00:38:47,300 --> 00:38:49,300
affection.
This was anything that she ever

608
00:38:49,300 --> 00:38:53,100
wanted, someone who genuinely
loved her and so Eileen.

609
00:38:53,100 --> 00:38:56,500
Sell no issue with supporting
both of them through her work as

610
00:38:56,500 --> 00:39:01,800
a prostitute and tied did stay
with a lean through a lot of

611
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,400
stuff, they could barely afford
to survive.

612
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,700
Are constantly moving from hotel
to hotel sleeping in the woods

613
00:39:07,700 --> 00:39:10,000
or on Old Barn so they couldn't
afford it.

614
00:39:10,700 --> 00:39:15,500
In the meantime, 1986 turns the
1987 Eileen's now 33 years old

615
00:39:15,500 --> 00:39:18,400
and she's finding that her
ability to make money as a

616
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,800
professional.
Is kind of changing.

617
00:39:23,100 --> 00:39:26,000
She isn't the perky funny
twenty-year-old anymore and

618
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,300
unfortunately a lot of men who
engage with prostitutes like

619
00:39:29,300 --> 00:39:33,700
women a lot younger than they
are, The frequent loud

620
00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:40,500
outbursts, never stopped, but I
loved her anyway, Eileen called

621
00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:44,700
tie, her wife and 97th, I
managed to scrounge up enough

622
00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:48,100
money to buy an old trailer and
they live in this crappy trailer

623
00:39:48,100 --> 00:39:50,400
park.
And all I could say, is they

624
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,300
kept the other residents
entertained.

625
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:59,500
There are always a string of
scraggly looking men showing up

626
00:39:59,500 --> 00:40:02,000
and coming in and out of the
trailer.

627
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:09,600
The land they were on was full
of just stuff and then sometimes

628
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,000
the women would be seen outside
in just their underwear.

629
00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:17,700
And so people thought they were
pretty wild but finally, one

630
00:40:17,700 --> 00:40:21,500
night neighbor said, there was
like loud music and they heard

631
00:40:21,500 --> 00:40:23,800
gunshots.
And the next day they were like

632
00:40:24,100 --> 00:40:32,800
can you leave Can you just move
away, please?

633
00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:36,700
We don't want you here anymore.
You guys are just rowdy rowdy

634
00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:39,800
for us, our sex life.
It's complicated Ty, would say

635
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,600
later on court that they were
more like sisters and lovers.

636
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,800
The main struggle, was that tie
felt that Eileen liked her work

637
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,600
a bit too much.
And Eileen would later say that

638
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,600
her love for Ty, was greater
than it was a greater love and

639
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,500
was not entirely sexual.
For Eileen.

640
00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:56,900
She was getting the love and
connection.

641
00:40:56,900 --> 00:40:59,200
She'd never gotten from her
parents or anybody else in her

642
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,800
life.
Now July 4th, 1987, both Thai

643
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,000
and Eileen get to teen for
questioning after someone at a

644
00:41:05,008 --> 00:41:08,400
bar is hit with a beer bottle.
I wonder, who did that?

645
00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:13,800
On March 12, 1988 Eileen calls,
the cops on a bus driver for

646
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,200
throwing her off a bus.
She said that he assaulted her

647
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,900
and tie the bus driver was like,
Thai and Eileen were arguing and

648
00:41:20,900 --> 00:41:23,600
it was really bad and he told
him to get off the bus to

649
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,600
protect the safety of the
passengers and they didn't.

650
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,100
Despite the constant out person
fighting, there was real love

651
00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:35,600
there at her trial.
Eileen said, it was love Beyond

652
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,200
imaginable.
Earthly words cannot describe

653
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:43,900
how I felt about Terry at Now,
there's massive speculation

654
00:41:43,900 --> 00:41:47,400
about how much time you about
these murders and that lies in

655
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,300
the fact that she was still
dating.

656
00:41:49,300 --> 00:41:52,500
She was dating tie the entire
time Eileen was killing people.

657
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:59,000
The first murder and she didn't
leave until Thanksgiving of

658
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:03,000
1990, which was right after she
killed the last man.

659
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:11,300
I mean, like an that's that goes
for like a lot of women in like,

660
00:42:11,300 --> 00:42:13,000
the men that are serial killers,
you know?

661
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,700
I mean like the women don't know
that their husbands are.

662
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,600
He's fucking murderers and shit.
Like how would she know just

663
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,000
because they're dating.
Oh wow, yes and my Like, We Tell

664
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,500
Em, we tell each other,
everything going to give you

665
00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:29,100
some information, maybe you'll
change your mind on that a

666
00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:32,600
little later.
Ultimately, the two would

667
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,400
exchange phone calls that would
lead to Eileen's arrest and they

668
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:41,000
wouldn't see each other after
that, until the courtroom went,

669
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,600
I testified against Eileen but
we will discuss that part of the

670
00:42:44,607 --> 00:42:46,900
story.
Later, we're going to talk about

671
00:42:46,900 --> 00:42:49,600
the murders that happened
between December 1989 and

672
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,500
September 1990.
Not only maintains that she

673
00:42:53,500 --> 00:42:56,700
always killed these men out of
self-defense in her own words.

674
00:42:56,900 --> 00:42:59,900
Hookers are like cab drivers,
you get good fairs and bad

675
00:42:59,900 --> 00:43:02,100
fairs.
That judge said I killed him for

676
00:43:02,100 --> 00:43:04,200
money.
I've been with hundreds of men

677
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,300
who had money.
I only killed seven.

678
00:43:06,300 --> 00:43:11,400
So what does that tell you?
Seven of them have.

679
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,100
He says that seven of them got
rocks with her and that's why

680
00:43:14,100 --> 00:43:17,800
she killed them.
But Eileen that, Richard

681
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,300
Richard, Mallory, when she was
hitchhiking on December 1st,

682
00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:23,400
1989 is about 3.
A.m. they pulled off to the side

683
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,900
of the road way from Daytona to
get busy as Eileen.

684
00:43:26,900 --> 00:43:29,600
Tells it, they smoked drank, she
got naked.

685
00:43:29,700 --> 00:43:33,000
She said that Richard did not,
she said that he couldn't get

686
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,000
hard so he got angry and hit
her.

687
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,700
She said she tried to give him a
blow job too.

688
00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:40,800
To help him along but that
didn't help.

689
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,700
She said that he held her down
and slapped her and she grabbed

690
00:43:44,700 --> 00:43:48,400
her gun and shot him.
That story changed later to say

691
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,300
that he had tied her up and
raped her with a blunt object.

692
00:43:52,900 --> 00:43:55,700
That's the version of the story
that they use in the film

693
00:43:55,700 --> 00:43:58,500
monster.
But regardless, I lean believe

694
00:43:58,500 --> 00:44:00,400
that this man was a threat and
she killed him.

695
00:44:01,700 --> 00:44:04,200
So, the thing here, is that
Eileen's testimony.

696
00:44:05,700 --> 00:44:09,900
Like, she would go on to say
that the police knew that

697
00:44:09,900 --> 00:44:11,600
Richard.
Mallory was a predator.

698
00:44:12,500 --> 00:44:17,500
And he was the 51 year old owner
of Clearwater Electronics,

699
00:44:17,500 --> 00:44:23,100
apparently was known to close
his shop and just disappear on

700
00:44:23,100 --> 00:44:26,900
sex and alcohol fueled vendors.
He only hired enough staff to

701
00:44:26,900 --> 00:44:29,200
clear up the backlog of orders
from when he left and then he

702
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,700
fired them all the police,
caught him multiple times with

703
00:44:32,700 --> 00:44:36,800
drugs and prostitutes.
And in Eileen's case, the jury

704
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,600
wasn't allowed to know that he
had done 10 years.

705
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,500
In the Maryland, State Mental
Institution for an attempt to

706
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,300
Rape, he's divorced five times.
Have recently ended things with

707
00:44:46,300 --> 00:44:48,300
his girlfriend.
Jackie Davis before he met

708
00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:51,400
Eileen, he was also on the edge
of bankruptcy because he was

709
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,500
spending so much money on this
CD side of his life.

710
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:02,800
For me, I always saw this moment
as like to very angry alcoholic

711
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,400
people met each other in a
moment where they were both

712
00:45:06,700 --> 00:45:10,400
struggling financially and using
sex as an outlet.

713
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,700
Yeah.
And then once yeah then once one

714
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,000
couldn't we do that.
We don't know if that was true

715
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,200
or not but like they were both
like right.

716
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:26,900
You try to terrible people and
so we don't know who threw the

717
00:45:26,900 --> 00:45:30,100
first Punch or who started it
first but we know how it ended.

718
00:45:33,100 --> 00:45:36,400
On Monday, December 3rd, 1989,
Richard didn't show up for work.

719
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,800
His staff and clients are pretty
used to this, so nobody called

720
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,600
it in.
He didn't have any close friends

721
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,800
or family to worry about him.
In fact, it wasn't till the cops

722
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,600
found his Cadillac abandoned
near Ormond Beach that they got

723
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,600
suspicious.
The police wouldn't have looked

724
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,200
into it further, if they hadn't
noticed there was some blood

725
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,400
behind the steering wheel that
hadn't been cleaned off.

726
00:45:56,700 --> 00:46:00,000
They found his wallet, a short
distance from the car, random

727
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,400
papers expired, credit cards and
ID.

728
00:46:02,700 --> 00:46:06,800
They found some plastic glasses,
a half-filled bottle of Smirnoff

729
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,400
vodka and empty.
Budweiser, the police definitely

730
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,500
believe that Mallory hadn't been
alone and someone was driving

731
00:46:14,500 --> 00:46:17,000
his car, who was pretty short,
because the seat had been pulled

732
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,300
up all the way they, they, Is it
for prints?

733
00:46:20,300 --> 00:46:26,800
They towed it to where it was
analyzed. and, That was really

734
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,200
it with the car until December
13th.

735
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,200
When Jimmy Bochy and James Davis
were out looking for scrap near

736
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:39,500
Interstate 95 and they found
Richard It's about five miles

737
00:46:39,500 --> 00:46:41,200
away from where his car was
dumped.

738
00:46:41,500 --> 00:46:44,300
His body was under a cardboard
box and only his fingers were

739
00:46:44,300 --> 00:46:48,000
peeking out.
His Dentures were laying next to

740
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:52,400
the body.
They ended up taking his hands

741
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,900
to the crime lab to get prints
because when there's massive

742
00:46:55,900 --> 00:46:58,300
decomposition, they do have to
do extra things to get a

743
00:46:58,308 --> 00:47:01,400
workable print.
It was assumed decomposed too

744
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,300
much for a proper autopsy, so
they took him to a funeral home

745
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,100
and dr.
Arthur botting came by and a

746
00:47:07,300 --> 00:47:11,300
certified, his death The police
really focused on Richards

747
00:47:11,300 --> 00:47:14,700
outrageous lifestyle, and they
ran down as many leads as they

748
00:47:14,700 --> 00:47:17,000
could.
Does he owe people money?

749
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,900
Is he a bet?
Was there a bad drug deal?

750
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,000
Nothing really came from it.
He had recently seen a stripper

751
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,400
who went by the name of Chastity
and Chastity.

752
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,100
Had told all the clubs at her.
All the girls at her club that

753
00:47:28,100 --> 00:47:30,900
Richard was a pervert and to not
like deal with him.

754
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,800
So they wondered like maybe he
attacked her and she fought

755
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,500
back, but she had an alibi.
The case went cold.

756
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:43,300
By May of 1998, was already
forgotten his sister in Texas

757
00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:45,300
and brother and New Jersey
assumed.

758
00:47:45,500 --> 00:47:47,900
It was just Richard being
Richard and they didn't really

759
00:47:47,900 --> 00:47:49,700
want to deal with him or his
death.

760
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,900
His electronics shop was taken
over by a man named mr.

761
00:47:53,900 --> 00:47:55,400
Townley.
And the name was changed to

762
00:47:55,400 --> 00:48:05,200
Johnny's TV and VCR of Palm
Harbor, Yeah, Richard's.

763
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:10,000
Yeah, he actually had him
cremated and she sprinkled his

764
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:16,500
ashes, tiwa tell the police that
Eileen came home with a Cadillac

765
00:48:16,500 --> 00:48:19,400
that she knew was stolen.
But she didn't know, the man was

766
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,200
dead.
But then later Eileen told her

767
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,200
the man was dead.
They used the car to move their

768
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,800
stuff to a new apartment and
then Island got rid of that.

769
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:36,000
Like both Eileen and tie
mentioned in their testimony.

770
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:40,000
That like Eileen was just like I
killed a man and I was just

771
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:47,100
like, don't talk about that.
Don't say things like that.

772
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,600
No no I don't know if I believed
her but I told her to shut up

773
00:48:54,900 --> 00:48:58,300
like listen.
Ty was given homegirl.

774
00:48:58,300 --> 00:49:03,200
Good advice, plausible,
deniability, look, shut up,

775
00:49:03,207 --> 00:49:04,400
don't tell me about that.
Yeah.

776
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,800
Okay, the thing you always say,
don't tell me about what I said,

777
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:13,200
and it's for this reason that I
would stick by her story, but

778
00:49:13,700 --> 00:49:17,400
Eileen gave her a jacket that
had the name, Richard in it and

779
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,900
a scarf to belong to him.
Then she pawned as much of his

780
00:49:20,900 --> 00:49:27,000
crap as she could.
Don't be giving me the gift from

781
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,600
your killed, your souvenirs.
They made enough money off of

782
00:49:30,607 --> 00:49:32,800
Richard, though, the last a
couple months and then there was

783
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,400
David Spears.
Now Spears was not like Richard,

784
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,000
he was considered to be a nice
normal hard-working guy, he was

785
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,100
43 years old and recently
divorced he lived a Winter

786
00:49:42,100 --> 00:49:44,400
Garden near Orlando and worked
in construction.

787
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:49,800
He's a big guy like 64 but
described as a gentle giant like

788
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,000
I said he was divorced but he
was so nice to his ex-wife like

789
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,200
he just gave her money.
It was Mandated by the court,

790
00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:00,000
he, the wife was taken care of
their 17 year old daughter, and

791
00:50:00,008 --> 00:50:03,600
he was just like, I just want
her to be happy you to be happy.

792
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:07,200
Like good guy.
In fact, just before he met

793
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,300
Island, he spoke to his ex-wife
D.

794
00:50:09,300 --> 00:50:11,900
On May 18th 1990.
And told her that they were

795
00:50:11,900 --> 00:50:15,500
going to meet the following day
between 2:00 and 2:30.

796
00:50:17,300 --> 00:50:22,100
May 19, well, maybe I don't know
and so he ended up running a

797
00:50:22,107 --> 00:50:25,800
little late and he was heading
down I-75 to Tampa and we just

798
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:30,600
know that somewhere between US
27 and I for about 26 miles from

799
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:35,100
home, that's where he picked up,
Eileen Eileen would later, tell

800
00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:47,700
the police that they pulled off
the road, you know she will Oh

801
00:50:47,700 --> 00:50:53,100
gosh, it was an eerie hum
Homosassa Springs, so many s's

802
00:50:53,100 --> 00:50:57,500
in this name and she said that
it was so far into the woods

803
00:50:57,500 --> 00:50:59,800
that David was tried.
The truck will get stuck.

804
00:51:00,300 --> 00:51:02,900
They did find his truck
abandoned 10 miles, west of

805
00:51:02,900 --> 00:51:05,400
Orange Springs and Marion County
on Sunday.

806
00:51:05,900 --> 00:51:08,800
They found blonde hair on the
steering wheel and a rib Trojan

807
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:13,400
condom wrapper on the floor.
Everything that he had in his

808
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,600
car, was missing his work tools,
close ceramics, That you have a

809
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:21,000
panther that he was going to be
giving 2D and just like with

810
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,300
Richard, the driver's seat was
pulled up way, too close to the

811
00:51:23,300 --> 00:51:25,000
steering wheel which let the
police know.

812
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,800
The last person who drove the
car wasn't.

813
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,000
Its owner, his remains were
found on June 1st.

814
00:51:30,300 --> 00:51:33,200
A man by the name of Matthew
cocking was out walking in the

815
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:38,100
woods and found David's remains.
It was pretty badly, decomposed

816
00:51:38,500 --> 00:51:40,900
nude except for a baby like a
camouflage.

817
00:51:40,900 --> 00:51:46,200
Baseball cap and the used Trojan
was on the ground near his body

818
00:51:46,500 --> 00:51:49,400
alone.
Loan with an empty cans of bush.

819
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:54,700
And Budweiser, it's not so much
that the remains were sitting

820
00:51:54,700 --> 00:51:56,500
there for so long.
I mean they were there for a

821
00:51:56,500 --> 00:51:59,800
while but also it's hot and like
sticky down in Florida.

822
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:04,400
So it only makes it worse.
The Remains were so badly

823
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,300
decomposed.
It took them time to figure out

824
00:52:07,300 --> 00:52:13,500
the age sex and cause of death.
Yeah, his autopsy was get on

825
00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:17,600
June 4th.
How to explain this.

826
00:52:17,900 --> 00:52:22,200
He was a big guy like 200 pounds
and there was very little flesh

827
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:26,800
left in the remains.
The doctor got like 40 pounds of

828
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:32,000
bone and a very little skin.
Her name is dr.

829
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:37,000
Janet pillow and she was able to
find 6 22, caliber pistols and

830
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,700
Strikes. 22 caliber pistol
bullets and she was able to get

831
00:52:41,700 --> 00:52:44,700
a good cast of his teeth with
his dental records.

832
00:52:44,900 --> 00:52:47,300
They were able to talk to his
friends and family.

833
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,100
They learned from deed, his
ex-wife that they were meeting

834
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,700
because his daughter was
graduating from high school and

835
00:52:53,700 --> 00:52:55,800
he was giving her money for
graduation.

836
00:52:56,300 --> 00:52:59,200
D, was able to tell the police
that he told her that he was

837
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,300
giving her.
Couple hundred dollars to help

838
00:53:01,300 --> 00:53:06,100
with the supplies and that he
also kept about $600 in his

839
00:53:06,100 --> 00:53:09,800
truck for emergencies with all
the tools and things that were

840
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:14,400
Pond Eileen took in well over a
thousand dollars killing David

841
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:19,600
Spears. but then just before
they had a chance to really dig

842
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,300
into David's case they find
another body five days later,

843
00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:27,400
This is Charles Chuck car
Skadden.

844
00:53:28,500 --> 00:53:32,600
It's mid-may.
He's 41 years old and Chuck was

845
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,500
on the way from his mother's
house, okay?

846
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,600
In Bonn and Boonville Missouri,
there's a bond, Bill Missouri,

847
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,100
forgot to look that one up,
always look up the names.

848
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,300
Regardless, he's Comin From
Missouri and he was going to

849
00:53:47,300 --> 00:53:49,800
Tampa to pick up his fiancee
Peggy.

850
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,800
He was a former Road Digger and
rodeo rider.

851
00:53:52,900 --> 00:53:56,400
And at the time of his death, a
printing, press operator, back

852
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,600
in Missouri and he was hoping to
start a life with a little less

853
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:03,500
hard labor and a new bride
Anderson.

854
00:54:03,500 --> 00:54:06,400
Get enough Eileen.
Forfor to Chuck both in her book

855
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:11,100
and to the police as The drug
dealer, but there's no record

856
00:54:11,100 --> 00:54:14,700
that he was a drug dealer.
Eileen.

857
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,600
Yeah, Eileen.
So that they stop for sex and he

858
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,500
only had $20 and he wasn't going
to give her any more money.

859
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,600
She said that when they were
both in the back seat he called

860
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,000
her a fucking bitch and she shot
him seven times.

861
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,800
Then she reloaded got out of the
car and shot him toes to two

862
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,600
more times.
She said that he had a 45 and

863
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,100
she thought that he was going to
hurt her so she killed him

864
00:54:38,100 --> 00:54:42,200
first.
Now you can tell he was a drug

865
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:47,000
dealer because the only had $20.
All right, he had enough money

866
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:52,000
for gas to get to Peggy.
And that was it there's a who's

867
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,000
over the course of Eileen's
court case, she would change

868
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,200
these stories multiple times.
First thing was self-defense, it

869
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:04,200
was about money than it was back
to self-defense like Ultimately

870
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,800
they find Chuck's body on
Wednesday, June 6, covered in

871
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,300
leaves and tree branches and a
green.

872
00:55:08,300 --> 00:55:11,500
Electric blanket has autopsy
showed he'd been shot, nine

873
00:55:11,500 --> 00:55:15,800
times, the 22 caliber pistol,
his 1975 brown, Cadillac was

874
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,400
found 45 miles.
North of where the body was

875
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,300
dumped.
The following day, the plates

876
00:55:22,300 --> 00:55:26,400
had been trashed but they were
able to trace the owner to the

877
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,300
VIN.
Number Chuck's mom told the

878
00:55:29,300 --> 00:55:33,200
police that he did carry a 45
caliber pistol with Pearl

879
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,000
handle.
He also had in his car with him,

880
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,500
a Mexican blanket, a stun gun, a
flip-top lighter, a watch, and a

881
00:55:39,508 --> 00:55:43,200
tan suitcase, and that he was
also wearing his gray snakeskin

882
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,400
boots.
When he left her house, she also

883
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,600
told the police that he had
removed, the firing pin from the

884
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:53,000
gun because his only intention
was to use it to scare people.

885
00:55:55,900 --> 00:55:59,200
None of those things were found
in his car, The Spoils of

886
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,600
murder.
Of course, of course.

887
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,800
Now Eileen's, on a roll, now,
her next victim is Peter symes a

888
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,500
devout Christian, Peter was the
65 years old.

889
00:56:09,500 --> 00:56:13,100
And if he retired from a life of
being a merchant Seaman, he was

890
00:56:13,100 --> 00:56:16,300
living in Jupiter, Florida in
Martin County and the same day

891
00:56:16,300 --> 00:56:18,700
that Chuck's car.
Captain's car was found, Peter

892
00:56:18,700 --> 00:56:21,800
was seen filling his car with
Bibles and Luggage.

893
00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:26,100
He was taking his 1988, silver
Pontiac Sundberg out to be a

894
00:56:26,100 --> 00:56:30,700
witness to the heathens.
His intention was to drive to

895
00:56:30,700 --> 00:56:34,000
see his relatives in Arkansas,
and New Jersey and in the

896
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,600
middle, if he met a couple of
Sinners and could convert them

897
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,300
and he considered that to be a
good trip.

898
00:56:39,700 --> 00:56:41,900
He promised his wife, he call
her once he stopped for the

899
00:56:41,900 --> 00:56:45,200
night and he never made it to
the first motel.

900
00:56:47,300 --> 00:56:49,300
Oh, wow.
His wife.

901
00:56:49,300 --> 00:56:51,200
Laura the police the following
morning.

902
00:56:52,300 --> 00:56:55,600
Eileen would later.
Tell the police that he'd become

903
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,900
threatening during sex.
So she shot him.

904
00:56:59,700 --> 00:57:02,800
Peter is the only body that was
never found.

905
00:57:04,100 --> 00:57:06,900
But she said they met somewhere
in Georgia.

906
00:57:09,300 --> 00:57:13,600
His car was found because
someone else was driving it.

907
00:57:15,100 --> 00:57:18,400
Imagine that was a seat.
Pull all the way up as well.

908
00:57:18,500 --> 00:57:22,100
So I'm gonna give you this.
So it's aren't Springs Florida,

909
00:57:22,300 --> 00:57:25,100
nice area.
There's this couple Rhonda and

910
00:57:25,100 --> 00:57:28,100
Jim Bailey sitting outside
sipping, some lemonade, its

911
00:57:28,100 --> 00:57:30,600
Fourth of July, there's car
enters.

912
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:34,400
The block, takes a hard turn
skid sideways, smashes through a

913
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,500
steel gate and a barbed wire
fence.

914
00:57:36,700 --> 00:57:40,000
The windshield shattered comes
to a stop so quickly that it

915
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:45,000
almost rolls over.
The couple sees two, women get

916
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,500
out of the car and they were
able to tell the police that the

917
00:57:47,508 --> 00:57:51,800
blonde woman was bleeding.
Come on.

918
00:57:51,900 --> 00:57:55,100
They also tell her the blonde
woman throws the her beer cans

919
00:57:55,100 --> 00:57:58,200
into the woods while yelling at
the second woman in the car.

920
00:57:58,500 --> 00:58:00,900
Then they grabbed a cooler from
the backseat and ran into the

921
00:58:00,900 --> 00:58:04,300
woods, a neighbor like ran out
and offered to help them.

922
00:58:04,300 --> 00:58:06,800
But Eileen like was like, no,
please don't.

923
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,800
Don't call the police.
My father lives down the road,

924
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:16,000
it's his car.
They drove off very quickly, but

925
00:58:16,100 --> 00:58:19,600
ultimately, they only drove to
get rid of the car that had two

926
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,300
tires that were flat.
And the radiator was smoking.

927
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,700
They took off the plates through
them in the woods along with the

928
00:58:25,700 --> 00:58:28,000
keys.
The neighbors did not listen to

929
00:58:28,008 --> 00:58:31,800
you Eileen and absolute forcing
on us and called the police.

930
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,300
Because this lady is bleeding.
Now, the police are driving down

931
00:58:36,300 --> 00:58:39,300
the road and they don't see the
cards, just her aunt.

932
00:58:39,300 --> 00:58:43,300
I walk in the police are like,
you sound like the woman who got

933
00:58:43,300 --> 00:58:47,400
in a car accident.
Yeah, and she's like, okay,

934
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,400
leave me alone.
I just want to go home as the

935
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:55,800
police were all right.
Whatever they decide, they're

936
00:58:55,800 --> 00:59:00,300
going to keep looking for the
car because It was a crash car.

937
00:59:00,300 --> 00:59:04,100
Where did it go?
So write it destroyed property

938
00:59:04,100 --> 00:59:07,200
to write definitely somebody's
property when she smashed

939
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:11,200
through their fence.
Yeah, it sounds like a business

940
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:12,500
though.
Generally businesses have like

941
00:59:12,500 --> 00:59:16,800
the barbed wire and the steel
Gates regardless though later

942
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,500
that night, the police police
officer finds the car.

943
00:59:19,500 --> 00:59:22,500
It's found in like the
underbrush under like leaves and

944
00:59:22,900 --> 00:59:26,300
thinks there's blood all over
this car, including bloody

945
00:59:26,300 --> 00:59:28,900
fingerprints.
It's very quickly connected.

946
00:59:29,100 --> 00:59:32,700
Connected to Peter, symes
missing, and just like all the

947
00:59:32,700 --> 00:59:36,700
other cars, all Peter stuff
gone, just trash and beer cans

948
00:59:36,700 --> 00:59:38,800
left in.
They were able to find a

949
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:49,600
leftover receipt from a local
gas station and That showed the

950
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:54,000
two of those women in that car,
at that gas station.

951
00:59:55,500 --> 00:59:58,100
So the police put out a bolo to
find two women seen in this

952
00:59:58,100 --> 01:00:00,900
missing man's car.
They also send out a description

953
01:00:00,900 --> 01:00:03,500
of them along with their
sketches because they've now

954
01:00:03,500 --> 01:00:08,000
made all manner of witnesses.
You're right.

955
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,500
Yes, afford, a criminal
activity, bulletin and an

956
01:00:10,500 --> 01:00:15,200
officer, John was Wisniewski.
Who'd been working the case

957
01:00:15,700 --> 01:00:17,800
since the beginning?
Honestly, he wasn't really.

958
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:24,600
For usually, when people kill
people like this, like they

959
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,200
would steal the Identity or use
the credit cards or break into

960
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:30,600
the person's bank account, but
these women had done any of them

961
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,400
and he had no idea why, like,
they left his personal effects,

962
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,400
and I'm guessing only took the
cash.

963
01:00:38,900 --> 01:00:41,700
Now, despite having a absolute
boat load of bloody

964
01:00:41,700 --> 01:00:44,600
fingerprints, and remember,
Eileen has been arrested in

965
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:46,600
like, six different towns in
Florida.

966
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,800
They do not check these
fingerprints for anything.

967
01:00:54,300 --> 01:00:58,400
Why not?
Because that always happens at

968
01:00:58,400 --> 01:00:59,700
all these pieces.
Brian.

969
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:07,000
Oh my god, of course she kills.
Again, Eugene Troy Perez. 50

970
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,600
years old on the day, he met
Eileen, he lived in Ocala, just

971
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,800
15 minutes from Orange Springs
with his wife Rose, a call is a

972
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,500
resort town, in a really nice
spot for retirees.

973
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,600
Troy still worked a little bit
as the sausage salesman for the

974
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,200
Gilchrist Sausage Company, but
he had retired.

975
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,100
From his former job, which is a
lot more demanding than selling

976
01:01:25,100 --> 01:01:28,100
sausages.
He had run Troy's pools in Boca,

977
01:01:28,100 --> 01:01:31,900
Raton until 1980 time, 89 when
it went under.

978
01:01:31,900 --> 01:01:34,500
And he decided that he was done
with the pool cleaning business,

979
01:01:34,700 --> 01:01:36,800
it's too hard.
Couldn't keep up with the demand

980
01:01:37,500 --> 01:01:41,200
so on July 30th 1990, Joy's just
heading out for a normal day at

981
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:42,400
work.
He's going to hit a couple of

982
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:46,400
stops, saw some sausages to some
clients they already have and

983
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,300
then head home.
His it was his Daytona route.

984
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,300
That he was going to head back
through Salt Springs.

985
01:01:51,300 --> 01:01:58,500
Stop by the Ation and come end
going back to Orange brings when

986
01:01:58,500 --> 01:02:01,300
he didn't come back from work,
his manager Johnny Mae Thompson,

987
01:02:01,300 --> 01:02:04,500
started making calls, she called
the customers, he was supposed

988
01:02:04,500 --> 01:02:06,700
to visit and discovered that he
had never made it to the last

989
01:02:06,700 --> 01:02:09,200
delivery and I mrs.
Thompson knew something was

990
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,700
wrong because she's like, he's
either hurt or sick or something

991
01:02:11,700 --> 01:02:14,100
because he would have called it
the car broke down.

992
01:02:14,300 --> 01:02:17,700
So she decided to drive the
route because she knew the way

993
01:02:17,700 --> 01:02:21,700
that he was going and see if she
could find him when that didn't

994
01:02:21,700 --> 01:02:25,000
work, she called Troy's wife,
Troy's wife called around and

995
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:28,400
they reported him missing at 2
a.m. at 4 a.m.

996
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,000
Marion County.
PD found his delivery van on the

997
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,900
shoulder of Sr 19.
It's about 20 miles away from

998
01:02:34,900 --> 01:02:37,100
home.
He was only a few miles from his

999
01:02:37,100 --> 01:02:40,400
next delivery but Troy's bodies
nowhere to be found.

1000
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:44,600
Less.
Okay, yeah.

1001
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:48,100
Less than a week later, a family
out for a picnic stumbles across

1002
01:02:48,100 --> 01:02:50,400
his body and the alcohol, a
national forest.

1003
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:52,800
It was eight miles away from the
delivery van.

1004
01:02:54,300 --> 01:02:57,900
Augustine.
Florida is a bad time to be in

1005
01:02:57,900 --> 01:03:01,600
Florida.
So even though this was only a

1006
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:05,600
week and change from when he
went missing, it was he looked

1007
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:10,600
real bad his wife Community?
Yeah, his wife confirmed his

1008
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,500
identity based on his wedding
ring which he was still wearing.

1009
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,900
He had he been killed with two
shots, from a 22 caliber

1010
01:03:16,900 --> 01:03:20,400
revolver one to the chest, and
another to the back, all of the

1011
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,700
money that Troy had made that
day have been stolen.

1012
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,900
Now, Eileen told the police that
he took her into the woods

1013
01:03:27,900 --> 01:03:31,300
ordered, her to strip, and then
wave ten dollars in her face and

1014
01:03:31,300 --> 01:03:33,000
told her that's all you're
worth.

1015
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,300
She also claimed he sexually
assaulted her and that's why she

1016
01:03:36,300 --> 01:03:38,800
shot him in the chest, and when
he tried to run away, she shot

1017
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:44,700
him in the back.
So this man was at work, right?

1018
01:03:44,700 --> 01:03:49,800
He was driving for work and his
uniform in his sausage truck

1019
01:03:50,100 --> 01:03:52,800
with the name of the business on
the side.

1020
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:59,200
So, She wants folks to believe
that he stopped for a little

1021
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,900
strange, right?
Like, and I don't believe it.

1022
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:05,700
That's hard to believe, I don't
believe that one.

1023
01:04:05,700 --> 01:04:09,000
Either like it is that when I
don't believe, I like I said, I

1024
01:04:09,008 --> 01:04:12,600
think at this point now, like I
think Eileen's brain shifted

1025
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,200
from like one of the things that
I've talked about when I talk

1026
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:20,500
about this case is that we have
somebody who Associates men with

1027
01:04:20,500 --> 01:04:25,900
pain and trauma.
But she also It's men with money

1028
01:04:26,300 --> 01:04:30,300
and what she needs to survive
that Duality has to be

1029
01:04:30,300 --> 01:04:34,800
constantly fighting itself.
Those 22.

1030
01:04:36,900 --> 01:04:39,200
You know, Trails of thought,
right?

1031
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:45,300
And so I think that Honestly, I
think by this point she's gone,

1032
01:04:45,300 --> 01:04:50,000
she snapped.
I don't doubt that in her head,

1033
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:53,100
she's perceiving minor things as
threats at this.

1034
01:04:54,900 --> 01:04:56,700
But ultimately, like she still
knows that.

1035
01:04:56,700 --> 01:04:58,500
If somebody threatens, you don't
shoot them.

1036
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,100
Like no.
Because there's thing when

1037
01:05:01,100 --> 01:05:04,000
you've been sexually assaulted
or traumatized in a certain way,

1038
01:05:04,100 --> 01:05:05,700
there are multiple ways that you
handle it.

1039
01:05:05,700 --> 01:05:07,700
And a lot of the ways that
people deal with it is called

1040
01:05:07,700 --> 01:05:10,600
hyper-vigilance.
I experienced this.

1041
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:13,200
When I leave the house, I am
always on a constant watch.

1042
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:14,900
Who's that person across the
street?

1043
01:05:14,900 --> 01:05:16,400
Is there?
Somebody walking behind me?

1044
01:05:16,700 --> 01:05:18,800
What are my surroundings?
Even if I have my headphones on

1045
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,500
their never, too loud.
So I can always hear of somebody

1046
01:05:21,500 --> 01:05:24,100
cat calls or something because
of things that happened when I

1047
01:05:24,100 --> 01:05:27,600
was younger Like a teen and
people like kind of riding up on

1048
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:31,800
me and scaring the shit out of
me so I don't doubt that she

1049
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:37,300
wasn't hyper-vigilant.
I think that at this point it's

1050
01:05:37,300 --> 01:05:43,500
completely like the the it's a
hairpin trigger, okay, okay.

1051
01:05:43,500 --> 01:05:47,000
If she perceives any of these
people to be remotely

1052
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:51,300
threatening, bang, bang it.
If you don't do exactly what she

1053
01:05:51,300 --> 01:05:56,100
says, which is give her money,
she does the sex she leaves.

1054
01:05:56,500 --> 01:05:59,100
She's like, he's gonna hurt me.
He's dangerous.

1055
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:04,300
And I think that she believed
that, but she still knew it was

1056
01:06:04,300 --> 01:06:07,400
wrong because we all know that
shooting people is wrong,

1057
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:11,000
regardless of our mental health,
know that murder is Good.

1058
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:15,000
Yeah, unless you're like an
infant or somebody like is where

1059
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,200
you're under, right?
So even if you know that, like

1060
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:21,400
you're super tensing, you're
worried about people, assaulting

1061
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:25,400
you, you also know that like
the, the correct response, if

1062
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:29,600
someone is threatening you is
not to kill them first.

1063
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,900
Now, I think some of this was
entirely in her head but um,

1064
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:35,500
we'll talk about that a little
more later.

1065
01:06:35,900 --> 01:06:38,600
Now, here's a funny thing that
happens during the same time,

1066
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:43,100
another guy disappears.
He absolutely fits the bill, his

1067
01:06:43,100 --> 01:06:46,300
name is Corky read and when
Eileen was questioned by, police

1068
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,100
about him.
She said, and I quote Corky

1069
01:06:49,100 --> 01:06:51,500
read, what the fuck?
Are you talking about?

1070
01:06:52,300 --> 01:06:54,700
The police, of course, didn't
believe her and had they done

1071
01:06:54,700 --> 01:06:56,900
their job.
When he first disappeared they

1072
01:06:56,900 --> 01:07:00,100
would have known.
Where Corky actually was, like I

1073
01:07:00,100 --> 01:07:01,600
said to be fair, he fit the
profile.

1074
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:03,400
He was 51.
He had been injured in a work

1075
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,700
accident.
So he was on the frail side.

1076
01:07:05,700 --> 01:07:08,400
He lived alone didn't have lots
of family outside of his sister

1077
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,300
and her husband, dini, and Jim
Stewart.

1078
01:07:10,700 --> 01:07:14,400
He went missing on his payday
after he cashed his check on

1079
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,700
September 6 1990.
He told his sister, he was going

1080
01:07:17,700 --> 01:07:21,000
to go spend the weekend with his
friend, Ray Cocoa Beach then had

1081
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,500
to Orlando, because he had a
doctor's appointment, and then

1082
01:07:23,500 --> 01:07:25,700
finally stopped at his mom's
house on Sunday.

1083
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:27,700
He never showed up at his mom's
house.

1084
01:07:27,700 --> 01:07:34,000
And so, Mom called the daughter
and was just like, what's up

1085
01:07:34,300 --> 01:07:35,400
Monday?
September 6.

1086
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:39,300
He didn't show up for work and
so the sister dini drove to his

1087
01:07:39,300 --> 01:07:42,200
house and saw the, his clothes
were there and his work badge,

1088
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:44,900
but not his car.
So they called the Titusville

1089
01:07:44,900 --> 01:07:48,500
police and the police were like,
you got to wait 72 hours for an

1090
01:07:48,500 --> 01:07:52,700
adult missing persons case his
sister was like no thank you.

1091
01:07:52,700 --> 01:07:58,200
And she printed 2000 flyers and
handed them out Lucia and

1092
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:01,800
Brevard County.
She also 500 people to Canvas

1093
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:05,900
the city's goodness.
So then the police find his car,

1094
01:08:05,900 --> 01:08:09,400
on Tuesday, September 11th, and
a parking lot near I-95.

1095
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:14,800
They didn't actually like, show
up to test the car or anything,

1096
01:08:15,300 --> 01:08:18,600
like literally the police saw it
because the security guard

1097
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,200
called him was like, Hey, this
cars been here for like a week

1098
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,899
and so the police were like oh
that's the missing guys car.

1099
01:08:25,100 --> 01:08:27,700
So they called the sister we're
like hey your brother's car is

1100
01:08:27,700 --> 01:08:29,800
in this parking lot.
You should move it before.

1101
01:08:29,899 --> 01:08:32,899
Or they tow it.
They did not print the car.

1102
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:37,700
They did not, they did nothing
literally dini, drove it home

1103
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:42,300
but the cars weight know what
he's missing.

1104
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:47,600
He printed car print icon, as I
said they did not do their job

1105
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,300
at all.
In regards to this case, there

1106
01:08:50,300 --> 01:08:53,700
was an open Trojan condom pack
and empty pack of Marlboros and

1107
01:08:53,700 --> 01:08:57,899
Camel, cigarettes, and well, the
interesting thing for dini, was

1108
01:08:57,899 --> 01:09:01,700
that the car had been run down,
Like somebody was riding it.

1109
01:09:01,700 --> 01:09:06,000
Like they were stolen it had no,
like no gas in it, and no oil.

1110
01:09:06,300 --> 01:09:10,700
And so that was weird because
her brother was a car guy and so

1111
01:09:10,700 --> 01:09:12,500
they were like, he normally
takes care of his car.

1112
01:09:12,500 --> 01:09:16,000
Why would he leave it?
There crapped out his tool box

1113
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,800
was missing, the seat had been
pulled forward and the defining

1114
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:21,399
marks.
On the car had been scratched

1115
01:09:21,399 --> 01:09:23,899
off this time.
Actually.

1116
01:09:23,899 --> 01:09:25,300
I've been number nothing like
that.

1117
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:29,399
Sure seemed like Eileen's.
Do it his sister dini.

1118
01:09:29,399 --> 01:09:31,300
Actually.
Never stop searching for him.

1119
01:09:31,500 --> 01:09:35,000
And even after being arrested,
and they showed his photo to

1120
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:38,800
both Eileen and tie both women
were like, we don't know who he

1121
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:47,800
is, and here's the thing.
Eileen Eileen space was national

1122
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:50,000
news.
There is no way.

1123
01:09:50,100 --> 01:09:54,800
Corky did not see that he was
his picture of him was listed as

1124
01:09:54,800 --> 01:10:00,100
one of the victims for the most
prolific, female serial killer

1125
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:04,700
in modern time in America.
He ignored it because they found

1126
01:10:04,700 --> 01:10:06,900
him.
August 6 1992.

1127
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:10,800
In a traffic court in Las Vegas,
Nevada.

1128
01:10:10,900 --> 01:10:18,000
What He ran away from home.
Wait, how we he's held

1129
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,400
50-something.
Yes yeah.

1130
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:24,500
Will you be here?
And he just ran away from his

1131
01:10:24,500 --> 01:10:26,400
life in Florida.
Honestly, it was a fluke.

1132
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:29,200
They even found him.
He had gotten a ticket in July

1133
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:31,200
for having him valid driver's
license.

1134
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:33,700
And when they ran his name,
through the National Crime

1135
01:10:33,700 --> 01:10:38,200
information database, his name
returned under missing, and, or

1136
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:41,000
endangered.
So the police reached out and

1137
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:44,200
we're just like Like you're on a
missing-persons list as someone

1138
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:48,800
who might be in danger and
quirky was like I'll want to be,

1139
01:10:48,900 --> 01:10:51,200
don't tell my family where I am,
I don't like y'all.

1140
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:55,100
It's like he's his family had no
idea why he left he never

1141
01:10:55,100 --> 01:10:59,000
communicated that he was, okay?
Like I said he was being listed

1142
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:03,600
publicly as one of Eileen words
his victims so he's like oh good

1143
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:08,300
they'll think I'm dead now.
So I don't have probably all

1144
01:11:08,300 --> 01:11:10,600
police were able to pull from
them is that there had been some

1145
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:14,300
kind of a bad business Deal with
his brother-in-law and he felt

1146
01:11:14,300 --> 01:11:18,200
like he'd been done dirty.
What's extra wide about this?

1147
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:22,100
Is that Corky was a Ruth engine,
like a roofing engineer, and he

1148
01:11:22,100 --> 01:11:25,500
worked for the Kennedy Space
Center when they found him, he

1149
01:11:25,500 --> 01:11:27,400
was working in a casino.
I have.

1150
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:31,000
No, I just have, no, I can't
fathom being so mad at my

1151
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:34,700
family.
I leave a really good high

1152
01:11:34,700 --> 01:11:39,000
paying job to hide from them.
No, it's you go work at it.

1153
01:11:39,300 --> 01:11:45,500
I mean, no knocking.
A little bit more perplexing, a

1154
01:11:45,500 --> 01:11:48,200
mystery was that Eileen did find
his car?

1155
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:53,100
She found it, where he abandoned
it and she did steal everything

1156
01:11:53,100 --> 01:11:56,200
from it and ride it.
Like it was stolen, oh my God,

1157
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:58,100
dumped it when she was done with
it.

1158
01:11:58,300 --> 01:12:02,000
Okay.
So she so it's okay.

1159
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:03,100
So part of it is.
Okay.

1160
01:12:03,100 --> 01:12:05,000
She did like still the car.
Yes.

1161
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,900
But she had no idea who did it
belong to.

1162
01:12:13,300 --> 01:12:17,200
They, they know this because Ty
had quirky suitcase and some of

1163
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:20,400
his clothes, okay, tie.
Well, I was trying to give you

1164
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:25,500
the benefit of the doubt, like,
if you like honestly what the

1165
01:12:25,700 --> 01:12:30,200
but when the, when used mention
that to women fresher car, it's

1166
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:34,400
like a gated thing and then I
was like, God, dammit, I know,

1167
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,000
right.
And it's wild that she gets away

1168
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:38,600
with the scot-free, but we're
gonna get there.

1169
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:42,400
We're gonna get there.
So, either way, after she was

1170
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:46,300
doing Joyce, Fighting and
stealing it, she meets a new

1171
01:12:46,300 --> 01:12:49,800
real Mark. 56 year-old Charles
Humphrey on September 11th.

1172
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,000
1990.
Charles was from Crystal.

1173
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:56,900
River was a town about seven
miles north of Um, assassin

1174
01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:59,900
along u.s. 90 no know why.
I can't say the name of the

1175
01:12:59,900 --> 01:13:06,000
city.
Um the sethe some of the best

1176
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:08,000
fun names.
Some of them are like Crystal

1177
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:13,300
Lake Clearwater, Cocoa Beach,
and it's of them sound real

1178
01:13:13,300 --> 01:13:16,200
country like hummus.
Ask love it.

1179
01:13:17,100 --> 01:13:20,400
Either way, Charles went to work
that day at his job and some

1180
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:22,500
turville he works for the
Florida Department of Health and

1181
01:13:22,500 --> 01:13:25,400
Rehabilitation.
He was also a former police

1182
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:29,100
chief And Sumter was in the
right in the middle of Eileen's

1183
01:13:29,100 --> 01:13:33,000
Kill Zone.
She picked a bad person for this

1184
01:13:33,500 --> 01:13:36,900
because virtually up until this
point, they didn't really care

1185
01:13:36,900 --> 01:13:41,000
that much until she killed one
of their own.

1186
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:44,800
Not only was the child works for
the Department of Health and

1187
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:46,800
Rehab.
He was a special investigator

1188
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:48,800
who looked into abused and
Andrew children.

1189
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:51,900
He had three kids himself and he
was very good at talking to

1190
01:13:51,900 --> 01:13:58,100
abuse kids.
He was also meticulously on

1191
01:13:58,100 --> 01:14:01,700
time.
So when Charles didn't return

1192
01:14:01,700 --> 01:14:07,100
home at 550, PM.
She was like maybe his car

1193
01:14:07,100 --> 01:14:11,400
trouble at 6:30.
She was like, maybe stop for a

1194
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:16,100
beer.
Between seven and eight was when

1195
01:14:16,100 --> 01:14:18,000
she panicked.
And finally, she called the

1196
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,300
police and Highway Patrol did a
cursory search even though they

1197
01:14:21,300 --> 01:14:23,600
could not file a missing persons
report yet.

1198
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,300
He his remains were found the
following day.

1199
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:33,000
Very close to where David Spears
and Charles casket, ins car were

1200
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,700
found.
He had been shot seven times.

1201
01:14:35,700 --> 01:14:38,900
They recovered Six Bullets from
his mermaids and his wallet and

1202
01:14:38,900 --> 01:14:43,600
money were missing his blue
Forenza was found on the 13th.

1203
01:14:48,300 --> 01:14:52,700
At an abandoned gas station in
the city of Live Oak near Swaney

1204
01:14:52,700 --> 01:14:54,900
County for people who don't
know.

1205
01:14:55,800 --> 01:15:00,000
This is like 70 miles north of
where his body was dumped.

1206
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:03,700
And it's so far north that we
are like a couple of miles away

1207
01:15:03,700 --> 01:15:06,200
from Georgia.
Oh wow.

1208
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,100
Like she drove as far as she
could to get her.

1209
01:15:09,100 --> 01:15:09,800
I don't even know if she
thought.

1210
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:12,500
She maybe she was in Georgia to
keep it in a separate State.

1211
01:15:12,500 --> 01:15:16,100
Who knows the plates keys, and
the highway patrol bumper

1212
01:15:16,100 --> 01:15:18,400
sticker.
Were removed.

1213
01:15:18,500 --> 01:15:21,000
Anything that could connect the
Carter, Charles was gone.

1214
01:15:21,300 --> 01:15:24,300
There was a can of Budweiser
left under the passenger seat

1215
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:26,900
and had the police dusted for
prints.

1216
01:15:27,300 --> 01:15:30,500
They might have known that
Eileen was his passenger.

1217
01:15:33,300 --> 01:15:35,700
Now, the police did find a
receipt for beer and Wyatt a

1218
01:15:35,708 --> 01:15:38,900
Speedway truck.
Stop and wildwood the same store

1219
01:15:38,900 --> 01:15:42,600
where Peter symes receipt was
from this one had a timestamp of

1220
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:46,800
4:19 p.m. on September 11th.
The cashier didn't remember, For

1221
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:50,200
Charles because he stayed in the
car but she remembered Eileen

1222
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:53,100
and tie.
The cashier thought that they

1223
01:15:53,100 --> 01:15:55,800
were prostitutes and in Florida
prostitutes are banned from

1224
01:15:55,800 --> 01:16:00,300
truck stops but so you're
actually supposed to call the

1225
01:16:00,300 --> 01:16:02,300
police.
If you see people work in the

1226
01:16:02,300 --> 01:16:05,900
truck stop but the cashier was
just like they were in and out.

1227
01:16:05,900 --> 01:16:09,300
They actually were only here for
food and drinks so I didn't call

1228
01:16:09,300 --> 01:16:15,400
them.
Hey, Eileen slaughtered Charles

1229
01:16:16,100 --> 01:16:19,300
and so she could not sell most
of his items because they were

1230
01:16:19,700 --> 01:16:24,400
covered in blood, of course.
So she threw them into a field

1231
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:28,600
in boggy Marsh Road and those
items were his pipe, his pens

1232
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:32,600
and pencils his wedding ring.
His watch Eileen would later

1233
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:34,100
tell the police that she shot
him.

1234
01:16:34,100 --> 01:16:37,500
The first few times in his body
and one went through his wrist,

1235
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:41,600
she heard him gurgling felt bad
for him, so she's Shot him in

1236
01:16:41,608 --> 01:16:43,400
the head to put him out of his
misery.

1237
01:16:45,300 --> 01:16:50,400
Ty's sign affidavits said that
Eileen came back to the house to

1238
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:53,300
the hotel.
With a small four door, blue car

1239
01:16:53,300 --> 01:16:56,400
and late August September, and
she wasn't there.

1240
01:16:56,700 --> 01:17:00,700
But you know, the cashier saw
them both with Charles the

1241
01:17:00,700 --> 01:17:02,400
right.
So she wasn't there, though,

1242
01:17:04,900 --> 01:17:07,400
there were other inconsistencies
and ties story.

1243
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:10,100
She told the police, she never
drank, but at different

1244
01:17:10,100 --> 01:17:13,700
locations where I lean in Thai
stayed, lots of people testified

1245
01:17:13,700 --> 01:17:16,400
that the both of them were
below. you're at drunks and they

1246
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:18,900
were thrown out of plenty of
motels for making too much

1247
01:17:18,900 --> 01:17:24,200
noise, drinking loud music, In
fact, one of the landlord's

1248
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:27,900
realized that Eileen was hooking
when she asked in the driver to

1249
01:17:27,900 --> 01:17:32,200
I-95 and then said she'd walk
the rest of the way to her job.

1250
01:17:32,500 --> 01:17:37,700
He was not fond of what Eileen's
real job was but she was paying

1251
01:17:37,700 --> 01:17:41,000
her rent.
So he let it go when she got

1252
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:45,400
behind on rent one time.
He reminded her and she said you

1253
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:48,300
are lucky.
You are, you still have a life?

1254
01:17:53,100 --> 01:17:56,100
They were not too happy about
that threat.

1255
01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:00,300
No, I wouldn't be eventually
that couple saw her face in the

1256
01:18:00,300 --> 01:18:02,300
papers, and they absolutely
called the police, but that

1257
01:18:02,300 --> 01:18:06,100
wasn't until November now.
It's late night, September 1990.

1258
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:09,800
There are like counties are kind
of work in the cases.

1259
01:18:09,900 --> 01:18:13,500
They're definitely focusing on
Charles Humphries Marion and

1260
01:18:13,500 --> 01:18:16,300
Citrus County, got together.
And they compare notes about the

1261
01:18:16,300 --> 01:18:19,500
barrestin spears murder.
So they connected with Detective

1262
01:18:19,500 --> 01:18:23,200
tan, much and Pasco County.
Because he was the one who had

1263
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:25,800
put out the bulletin looking for
the two women, driving Peter

1264
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:29,900
symes car.
The group were very solid.

1265
01:18:29,900 --> 01:18:31,700
They're like, these are all
identical.

1266
01:18:31,700 --> 01:18:34,800
And so, are all the victims that
we found in every victim?

1267
01:18:35,100 --> 01:18:37,000
This definitely seems like a
serial killer.

1268
01:18:38,100 --> 01:18:41,000
The police pulled in as many
witnesses as they could and

1269
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:44,000
everybody's like, yeah, that's
the one Eileen.

1270
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:47,000
She's the one we saw police, do
they were looking for a short

1271
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:49,700
blonde woman.
Sometimes in the cop company of

1272
01:18:49,700 --> 01:18:54,100
a another blond woman.
Short hair and was more stocky

1273
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:58,800
so they make a task force with
Captain Steve bigger of Marion

1274
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:01,800
County as the head, Steve was
pretty solid that these women

1275
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:05,800
weren't actually hitchhiking as
they had originally thought but

1276
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:08,900
that they were working the
highway that changed how they

1277
01:19:08,900 --> 01:19:10,700
viewed.
The case hitchhiking wasn't

1278
01:19:10,700 --> 01:19:15,200
really common in late 80s and
early 90s like in the 70s so

1279
01:19:15,300 --> 01:19:17,800
they realized that the only men
stopping to pick up.

1280
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:21,100
Somebody was somebody looking
for a good time, right?

1281
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:25,200
Now, usually they try not to
involve the Press, but Steve

1282
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:29,600
brought the Press into this.
And he was just like, this is

1283
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:32,400
this lady's picture and she
killed a cop.

1284
01:19:33,500 --> 01:19:35,300
That's all you need to know.
Go find her.

1285
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:40,900
Well, so a truck driver named
Bobby Lee Bobby Lee copis

1286
01:19:41,300 --> 01:19:45,200
actually meets island in the
beginning of November 1990, she

1287
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:48,300
told him she need to go to
Orlando and she said her kids

1288
01:19:48,300 --> 01:19:51,100
were in Daytona Beach at daycare
and she was going to meet her

1289
01:19:51,100 --> 01:19:53,900
sister in Orlando and they would
drive over.

1290
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:55,800
Makes no sense.
No, not at all.

1291
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:59,100
Because damn, that's a drive.
These are multiple.

1292
01:19:59,300 --> 01:20:02,200
While drives, why are you so far
away from your babies man?

1293
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:05,300
Writing, only re kids and
Daytona, which is like at the

1294
01:20:05,300 --> 01:20:08,200
top of Florida, and you going to
go check on her later.

1295
01:20:08,300 --> 01:20:10,600
It's like in the South.
It was wild.

1296
01:20:11,300 --> 01:20:16,000
Oh my God.
No, okay, so Bobby Lee, and the

1297
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:19,700
up having to stop by his bank,
he took out money for to pay the

1298
01:20:19,700 --> 01:20:23,000
insurance on his rig, which was
four thousand dollars.

1299
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:28,400
She saw him, put it in the sun,
visor don't show nobody with

1300
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:31,500
your hold it.
She know how much it was, but

1301
01:20:31,500 --> 01:20:35,000
she did see him, put a money
envelope up in the visor, hmm.

1302
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:38,700
Now, she propositioned him and
she's like, listen, for $100.

1303
01:20:38,700 --> 01:20:42,000
I'll give you the best, blow job
of your life, Bobby's like, no,

1304
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,300
thank you.
And so then she tries again and

1305
01:20:44,300 --> 01:20:47,200
he's like, no, I have a wife,
I'm good, thank you very much,

1306
01:20:47,300 --> 01:20:47,800
right?
Yeah.

1307
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:50,200
And after the third time, she
got pissed.

1308
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:54,600
And he could tell she was angry
and she was agitated.

1309
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:57,100
And then she opened her purse to
pull out a comb.

1310
01:20:57,300 --> 01:21:02,700
And he saw the gun so he stops
at the next truck stop and he's

1311
01:21:02,700 --> 01:21:04,800
like, listen, here's five
dollars.

1312
01:21:04,900 --> 01:21:06,700
Tell your sister.
I'm going to drive you all the

1313
01:21:06,700 --> 01:21:08,900
way to Daytona.
Hmm.

1314
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:13,300
As soon as she closes the cab,
he locked the door and he said

1315
01:21:13,300 --> 01:21:16,500
she looked mad as hell, and she
starts screaming at him as he

1316
01:21:16,500 --> 01:21:19,500
drove away Compass.
I'll get you, you son of a

1317
01:21:19,508 --> 01:21:21,400
bitch.
I'll kill You like I did the

1318
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:25,000
other sons of bitches.
Oh, no, no.

1319
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:27,000
See it does.
No, you don't do.

1320
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:31,000
That was, was driving away.
She's screaming at his truck,

1321
01:21:31,300 --> 01:21:35,000
and you have no car.
The police believe that the

1322
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:41,800
final man that she killed.
She met after Bobby copass, So,

1323
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:44,300
she probably met him after
wherever he dropped her off at?

1324
01:21:44,700 --> 01:21:48,900
Yep, his name was Walter.
Gino Antonio and she took out

1325
01:21:48,900 --> 01:21:52,000
her rage on him.
He was 62 years old, a truck

1326
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:55,300
driver security guard and a
reserve police officer from

1327
01:21:55,300 --> 01:21:59,100
Cocoa Beach.
He was actually set out on

1328
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:03,300
November 17th at Saturday.
He was heading to Alabama and

1329
01:22:03,300 --> 01:22:06,100
hopes that he'd be able to pick
up another job up there.

1330
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:09,300
He was recently engaged and he
was wearing a silver and gold

1331
01:22:09,300 --> 01:22:12,500
diamond ring.
The same ring that Eileen would

1332
01:22:12,500 --> 01:22:14,800
give to tie later, but we'll get
there.

1333
01:22:16,900 --> 01:22:20,200
Walter pretty much drove the
same route as Peter symes taking

1334
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:23,400
the Florida, Turnpike to
Wildwood and more than likely

1335
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:27,200
stopping at that Speedway truck.
Stop before making his final

1336
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:29,800
push, North the split.
They believe that's where he met

1337
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:35,600
Eileen angry ready to take it
out on somebody the following

1338
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:39,000
day, a police officer who was
out, hunting found a naked man,

1339
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:43,500
15 miles, south of Wildwood who
had been shot four times three

1340
01:22:43,500 --> 01:22:46,200
in the Torso.
And one in the head, all 22

1341
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:49,100
caliber Bullets Eileen would
tell the police, she

1342
01:22:49,100 --> 01:22:53,000
propositioned Walter and he
pulled out his police badge.

1343
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,700
And told her he'd arrest her, if
she didn't have sex with him for

1344
01:22:55,700 --> 01:22:58,300
free, she said she pulled out
her gun.

1345
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:02,300
They struggled over it.
He fell on the ground and then

1346
01:23:02,300 --> 01:23:04,700
began running and she shot him
in the back.

1347
01:23:04,900 --> 01:23:07,300
Then he insulted her and she
shot him again.

1348
01:23:09,100 --> 01:23:12,700
He wasn't in his rig, he was in
a regular car but Eileen took

1349
01:23:12,700 --> 01:23:15,600
that car back to the Fairview
motel and she asked the manager,

1350
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:17,800
if she could park her
boyfriend's car behind the

1351
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:20,600
motel, she said her boyfriend
was married and she didn't want

1352
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:23,600
the wife to drive by and see it.
They were like.

1353
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:27,100
All right.
Okay, so, haughty ack.

1354
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:32,100
Yeah.
I just, I just wanted to add one

1355
01:23:32,100 --> 01:23:35,100
little thing and that's to say,
why?

1356
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:37,500
Why shoot somebody.
If they're running away from

1357
01:23:37,500 --> 01:23:40,400
your leaving, the area, just let
him run.

1358
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:45,000
So what knew she was?
Okay.

1359
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:47,300
Yeah.
I get like trial Dominique.

1360
01:23:47,300 --> 01:23:50,000
Let people just walk away.
Not not her.

1361
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:54,200
She was like, hmm, buddy.
I see, I get it but like if

1362
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:58,300
someone was if her story was
true and he like like it was

1363
01:23:58,300 --> 01:24:01,800
trying to like you know get
stuff for free or like attacking

1364
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:04,200
her stuff like that.
And then she pulled out the gun

1365
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:06,400
and he starts running away, let
his ass run away.

1366
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:09,700
You don't have to kill him, or I
don't know, maybe it's just me

1367
01:24:09,700 --> 01:24:16,000
being wants to tell people.
Well, look, it's a, he say, she

1368
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:20,500
say story, then, and right, and
they are gonna believe the cop

1369
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:28,000
come on.
Okay, we got me there.

1370
01:24:28,700 --> 01:24:34,400
Yeah, like I said, that maroon
Pontiac stayed there for a

1371
01:24:34,407 --> 01:24:37,700
couple days behind the Fairview
and then it disappeared.

1372
01:24:38,500 --> 01:24:41,500
It was found on member 24th.
A week later in Brevard County,

1373
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:45,100
the plates are missing.
The keys were missing as well as

1374
01:24:45,100 --> 01:24:48,700
all identifying information.
And this time, all of the

1375
01:24:48,700 --> 01:24:52,200
Budweiser cans had been cleaned
off.

1376
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:55,800
They weren't Dustin form.
So why do you have to clean them

1377
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:57,200
all?
Thanks to you while they were

1378
01:24:57,200 --> 01:25:04,000
destined for these ones.
Oh so she decided you know, My

1379
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:07,300
break up after yourself.
I know this is what we're not

1380
01:25:07,300 --> 01:25:10,300
even listen, one thing was
interesting, was that?

1381
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:13,800
Because of his time as a trucker
Mark Walter was like, very used

1382
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:18,000
to logging all of his stops.
He was very meticulous and so

1383
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:23,200
they were able to see how far he
liked on the his run his little

1384
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:27,600
paper, how far he had driven and
they discovered that in the week

1385
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:31,400
between his murder and then
finding the car, someone had

1386
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:35,700
driven a thousand miles.
That weren't recorded on his

1387
01:25:35,700 --> 01:25:37,300
log.
Yep.

1388
01:25:38,900 --> 01:25:41,600
Walter's fianc�� gave the police,
a list of all the items he had

1389
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,600
with him, most were his preserve
police items.

1390
01:25:44,900 --> 01:25:48,600
All were missing his idea and
clothing were later, found in

1391
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:51,400
Taylor County, Eileen sold as
much stuff as she could.

1392
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:55,600
When Thanksgiving hit tie was
just like, I need some space.

1393
01:25:57,100 --> 01:26:03,400
I'm going back to Ohio.
Now, the police are still

1394
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:06,700
getting all these calls about
Eileen and tie and the many

1395
01:26:06,700 --> 01:26:09,500
places they lived and they're
building a timeline of the

1396
01:26:09,500 --> 01:26:12,700
women's movements there.
Many, landlords told the police

1397
01:26:12,700 --> 01:26:15,500
that the short blonde woman was
the leader of the two and they

1398
01:26:15,500 --> 01:26:18,400
thought she was a truckstop Pro
now.

1399
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:22,500
Eventually, Eileen, convinces,
tie to come back after

1400
01:26:22,500 --> 01:26:26,900
Thanksgiving and in the airport
proposes to her with Walter

1401
01:26:26,900 --> 01:26:31,400
Gino's, engagement ring, Then
tie and Eileen.

1402
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:34,800
Go back to the Fairview.
She learns her being evicted

1403
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:38,400
Eileen begs her to stay Eileen.
Even throws her gun into the

1404
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:40,300
rose Bay to prove.
She's done.

1405
01:26:40,300 --> 01:26:45,000
I'm done with all this.
December 3rd of friend, gives

1406
01:26:46,300 --> 01:26:50,200
Eileen, and tie a ride and
Eileen's, like, I'm going back.

1407
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:54,100
North drop me off at a
greyhound, so I give her back

1408
01:26:54,100 --> 01:26:57,200
the ring, Eileen drops off.
Most of her items from the

1409
01:26:57,200 --> 01:27:00,300
Fairview at a storage unit.
Only keeping things in a tan

1410
01:27:00,300 --> 01:27:04,300
suitcase, the friend who drove
them around.

1411
01:27:04,500 --> 01:27:07,900
She had sex with him, I guess.
What is his way to say?

1412
01:27:07,900 --> 01:27:12,200
Thank you, somehow Eileen,
manages to convince the The

1413
01:27:12,208 --> 01:27:16,900
Fairview, who, by the way, she
is threatened now in the past,

1414
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:20,300
to let her rent a different room
and she's like, it'll be

1415
01:27:20,300 --> 01:27:21,400
different.
I'm alone.

1416
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:23,300
My girlfriend's not here, there
won't be any fighting or

1417
01:27:23,308 --> 01:27:26,800
anything.
Crazy you December 7th, using

1418
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:30,400
the fake name and Kami, Marsh
Eileen pawns, Walters engagement

1419
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:37,200
ring for a measly 20 dollars.
And she's kind of spends the

1420
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:42,000
next couple days being sad.
She and leaves the room for

1421
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,500
quite some time and I'm sure
everybody was grateful.

1422
01:27:44,700 --> 01:27:48,100
Hmm.
Now the task force gets a break

1423
01:27:48,100 --> 01:27:51,400
from local police in Port Orange
who had figured out the

1424
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:53,400
movements.
I've Eileen in Thai from

1425
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:56,300
roughly, September to December
the to its data.

1426
01:27:56,300 --> 01:27:59,200
At a Fair View in Harbor, Oaks
under the name, Kami Marsh

1427
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:02,400
green, then a small apartment
behind the Belgrade restaurant

1428
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:06,400
near the Fairview, then back to
the Fairview Eileen stayed there

1429
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:09,600
until December 10th.
She'd use multiple IDs and

1430
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:13,200
Ladies working connected to
different arrest in, loads of

1431
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:15,600
different cities.
So first, the police look up

1432
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,600
time, more and realizes she is
not a hardened criminal.

1433
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:24,200
She had like one thing in her
past they look up Susan block

1434
01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:29,100
Avec one of her IDs discover up
trespassing arrest and that the

1435
01:28:29,100 --> 01:28:33,000
photo doesn't match.
Then I look up Cammy green and

1436
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:36,300
the photo of Eileen doesn't
match the photo on Susan.

1437
01:28:36,300 --> 01:28:42,000
Why have xid the real break in?
The case comes though, when they

1438
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:46,400
learn that Kami Green Pond
camera and a radar detector from

1439
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:50,900
Richard Mallory, she at one pawn
shop, then a set of tools from

1440
01:28:50,900 --> 01:28:54,400
David's peers, that a different
one in Ormond Beach and back

1441
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:56,600
then.
I don't know now because I've

1442
01:28:56,600 --> 01:29:00,600
never pawned anything in our
Modern Age, but back then it was

1443
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:03,900
common to fingerprint people
when you Pawn things.

1444
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:08,700
Items have been sold but the
fingerprint was invaluable

1445
01:29:08,700 --> 01:29:10,500
right?
Because like now they have your

1446
01:29:10,500 --> 01:29:13,400
Social Security number so they
can just hit your credit if you

1447
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:16,500
don't pay for the item that was
there, right?

1448
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:19,100
Yeah.
I've soon I've sold like one or

1449
01:29:19,100 --> 01:29:22,300
two things at a pawn shop and I
guess if you're if you're like

1450
01:29:22,700 --> 01:29:25,400
renting from come back for it,
right?

1451
01:29:26,200 --> 01:29:30,400
Pay them for the money.
They like loans, you okay for

1452
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:31,500
your item.
Yeah.

1453
01:29:31,700 --> 01:29:34,000
So this was if they didn't get
their money back, they had your

1454
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:38,100
prints.
So, absolutely invaluable to the

1455
01:29:38,100 --> 01:29:40,000
investigation.
Even if it was just a

1456
01:29:40,008 --> 01:29:43,400
thumbprint, now, Florida had was
called the automated fingerprint

1457
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:45,100
identification system.
At this time.

1458
01:29:45,300 --> 01:29:47,600
It didn't earn any results.
Probably because they didn't

1459
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:50,200
have enough of the target
markers with only one finger.

1460
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:53,500
So the fingerprint analyst Jenny
Ahern decided to do this by

1461
01:29:53,500 --> 01:29:56,600
hand.
And she was like, I'm gonna go

1462
01:29:56,600 --> 01:30:01,700
to all of the cities where all
of these crimes took place under

1463
01:30:01,700 --> 01:30:04,300
these different names, and
compare them.

1464
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:09,300
She stopped at the first town
and within an hour, had a match

1465
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:12,600
for an outstanding warrant for a
woman named Lori.

1466
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:19,600
Grody Lori grote's, fingerprints
for that case, matched the

1467
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:21,600
fingerprints, and Peter symes
car.

1468
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:25,300
They send all this information
to the National Crime

1469
01:30:25,300 --> 01:30:28,000
Information Center and they get
responses from Michigan,

1470
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:30,600
Colorado, and Florida confirming
that Susan.

1471
01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:34,800
Black Avec can be green, Lori
Grody and Aileen, wuornos are

1472
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:39,900
all the same person.
At this point, eyes back in Ohio

1473
01:30:39,900 --> 01:30:44,200
and she is worried.
She's trying to stay low, she's

1474
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:46,000
not going out.
She's like, oh no, we're gonna

1475
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:49,000
get in trouble for this now, Lee
goes out, drinking on, December

1476
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:51,200
19th.
She ends up Sharon or trouble.

1477
01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:53,700
So the next Marine named Dixie
Mills at Wet.

1478
01:30:53,700 --> 01:30:57,300
Willie's bar, on US1.
Both were drinking to cure their

1479
01:30:57,300 --> 01:31:02,900
heartache, and they talked about
how, you know, Ty, left Eileen

1480
01:31:02,900 --> 01:31:07,700
and Dixie's, wife left him and
Dixie would say that they talked

1481
01:31:07,700 --> 01:31:11,500
about art and parapsychology and
ancient history, and he just

1482
01:31:11,500 --> 01:31:14,300
didn't he'd never met someone
who knew so many things.

1483
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:18,500
He also said that Lee was a
Savage party animal with an

1484
01:31:18,508 --> 01:31:21,800
insatiable desire for sex and
alcohol, they spent the next

1485
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:25,400
five days together and after a
week of hard, partying Dixie

1486
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:28,800
left her to go back home to his
wife, his parting gift was 50

1487
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:34,500
bucks.
Oh, Later on like a year later,

1488
01:31:34,500 --> 01:31:37,500
he would tell the Globe
newspaper, a different story

1489
01:31:37,700 --> 01:31:40,200
saying that Eileen had tried to
extort him for five hundred

1490
01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:43,800
dollars a month and she had
fantasies and Kinks that scared

1491
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:46,600
him like she told him, she
wanted to be raped in the woods

1492
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:49,700
and then shot in the head.
He also said he took her to to

1493
01:31:49,700 --> 01:31:52,500
family events and she got drunk
and insulted, his family.

1494
01:31:52,700 --> 01:31:55,000
And I honestly don't believe his
side of the story.

1495
01:31:55,100 --> 01:31:57,500
This is how, I don't know.
Yeah.

1496
01:31:57,500 --> 01:32:01,200
Eileen was very candid.
When they brought Dixie up and

1497
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:03,200
she was Like yeah, he paid me
for sex.

1498
01:32:04,300 --> 01:32:07,900
That's how you go.
She's like, we had a couple laps

1499
01:32:07,900 --> 01:32:11,700
but like, I never met his kids
or his family and, like direct

1500
01:32:11,700 --> 01:32:13,500
quote from Eileen.
She's like, what man is going to

1501
01:32:13,500 --> 01:32:16,700
introduce a hooker like me to
his daughter when he's trying to

1502
01:32:16,700 --> 01:32:19,200
get back with his wife.
It's all bull.

1503
01:32:19,900 --> 01:32:23,800
I mean, she has a point.
Absolutely.

1504
01:32:23,900 --> 01:32:26,400
So the task force decides to set
up a surveillance on all the

1505
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:28,600
local bars in Daytona.
It took a couple of nights but

1506
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:33,100
they find I lean on January 8th.
81 from this point forward

1507
01:32:33,100 --> 01:32:34,300
there.
Keep their eyes on her.

1508
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:38,300
They watch her into the night,
and they see her at the bars

1509
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:43,400
described in the report as mood
swings from friendly and

1510
01:32:43,400 --> 01:32:47,000
congenial to aggressive.
And abusive, and that was just

1511
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:49,100
her normal day-to-day
interactions with people.

1512
01:32:50,100 --> 01:32:53,000
They wanted to watch her for
longer, but they discovered that

1513
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:56,300
the following night at the bar
that she liked to hang out at

1514
01:32:56,300 --> 01:33:01,400
there was going to be a major
like truck like a biker party.

1515
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:05,300
Like all these bikers from like
all over Florida, like, hundreds

1516
01:33:05,300 --> 01:33:08,200
of bikers, were gonna show up
and so they're like, there's no

1517
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:10,900
way we're going to be able to
find her through that.

1518
01:33:12,100 --> 01:33:16,000
Because she could just put on a
helmet and disappear, right,

1519
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:18,400
right.
She could also kill someone to

1520
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:20,400
that night.
So they were like, oh, we got to

1521
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:22,400
do something.
So while they're thinking about

1522
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:27,100
this, as they're learning about
this, it's still the 8th to Port

1523
01:33:27,100 --> 01:33:32,300
Orange Authority plainclothes,
Cops show up.

1524
01:33:32,300 --> 01:33:34,800
At the bar, it's called was
called The Last Resort.

1525
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:39,800
And they're like, hey we want to
talk to you.

1526
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:44,500
And the task force is like, oh
my God, what are you doing

1527
01:33:44,500 --> 01:33:46,100
there?
Making frantic calls to the

1528
01:33:46,100 --> 01:33:49,800
superiors at Port Orange PD.
They're like Stand Down.

1529
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:52,000
Mind you, there are six
different counties on this

1530
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:54,900
operation.
They do not want Eileen to know

1531
01:33:54,900 --> 01:33:58,200
that they are planning to arrest
her because she could hop in a

1532
01:33:58,208 --> 01:34:00,300
car with anyone and be gone,
right?

1533
01:34:00,300 --> 01:34:03,700
Yeah.
So when one of the, the cops

1534
01:34:03,700 --> 01:34:07,000
goes back to the car to run her
ID, you know, normal cop stuff.

1535
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:09,700
He gets a call from Bob Kelly of
Volusia County.

1536
01:34:09,700 --> 01:34:13,600
That's like, do not arrest
Eileen under any circumstance.

1537
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:16,500
Like what are y'all doing?
You go freaking out, they

1538
01:34:16,500 --> 01:34:18,500
weren't in on it.
They weren't in on it because

1539
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:21,100
the murders hadn't happened in
her neighborhood.

1540
01:34:21,300 --> 01:34:22,700
Okay?
Okay.

1541
01:34:22,700 --> 01:34:25,800
Well, it's always followed
order.

1542
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:28,100
They follow orders and they did
not arrest you.

1543
01:34:28,100 --> 01:34:29,300
They let her go back into the
barn.

1544
01:34:30,700 --> 01:34:33,200
Like I said, they ended.
Moving forward like taking her

1545
01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:35,500
and because what was happening
the following night.

1546
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:40,100
So what they did was the night
of the 8th, she slept outside on

1547
01:34:40,100 --> 01:34:43,700
this, like yellow car like seat
from a car.

1548
01:34:43,900 --> 01:34:47,800
She even have a place to stay
the undercover cops like

1549
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:50,500
eventually like they talked to
her during the following day on

1550
01:34:50,500 --> 01:34:55,900
the 9th and They were like, oh
yeah, it was gonna be that big

1551
01:34:55,900 --> 01:34:57,000
party tonight.
Cool.

1552
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:59,700
You know, well we have a hotel
room at the Fairview.

1553
01:34:59,700 --> 01:35:03,500
If you want to clean up before
the Biker Party arrives and at

1554
01:35:03,500 --> 01:35:05,300
first she wasn't really open to
it.

1555
01:35:05,500 --> 01:35:06,900
And then she was just like,
okay?

1556
01:35:06,900 --> 01:35:09,200
And as soon as she stepped up
her the bar, they arrested her

1557
01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:12,300
for identity, theft and fraud
and unlawful possession of a

1558
01:35:12,308 --> 01:35:15,800
firearm.
They didn't want to let her know

1559
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:19,400
that they wanted her for murder
because they still wanted the

1560
01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:21,600
murder weapon and they also
wanted to get Ty.

1561
01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:26,000
With Eileen in jail, they were
also able to take that key from

1562
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:30,100
her, that the storage key that
had all her stuff in it, right?

1563
01:35:30,100 --> 01:35:31,700
Right.
For the things that were missing

1564
01:35:31,700 --> 01:35:34,800
from the men.
Now that same day that Eileen's

1565
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:39,400
arrested the police, go after
Ty, they like they actually have

1566
01:35:39,500 --> 01:35:42,500
the Ohio, the police.
Well, actually she left Ohio,

1567
01:35:42,500 --> 01:35:46,100
she was in Scranton, so they had
Scranton, police, just hold her.

1568
01:35:47,700 --> 01:35:50,100
Now, once she's done at the
police station and cleared of

1569
01:35:50,108 --> 01:35:53,700
any local wrongdoing, they book
a hotel room for her and they

1570
01:35:53,700 --> 01:35:56,700
call Jerry Thompson, from Citrus
County and Bruce monster from

1571
01:35:56,700 --> 01:36:01,200
Marion County who fly up to
Scranton with the items from the

1572
01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:04,000
storage locker.
Specifically items from Charles

1573
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:07,300
Humphreys and Corky read, they
read tie her rights.

1574
01:36:07,300 --> 01:36:09,600
They're like you're not being
charged with anything but you're

1575
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:12,800
also not being given immunity
and liked.

1576
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:15,900
I just talked and she was
like--, I'll testify against

1577
01:36:15,900 --> 01:36:19,300
Eileen Originally, she was like,
I kind of knew about Richard

1578
01:36:19,300 --> 01:36:22,900
Mallory because of the Cadillac
and then she was like, no, well,

1579
01:36:22,900 --> 01:36:25,200
technically Eileen confessed to
me and I told her to stop

1580
01:36:25,200 --> 01:36:29,400
talking about it.
They take tie back to Florida

1581
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:33,400
and the police are like, listen,
we need you to reach out to

1582
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:36,200
Eileen.
Say, you want to get your stuff

1583
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:40,600
from the storage locker, say
that the police are bothering

1584
01:36:40,600 --> 01:36:45,100
you in Ohio about these murders
because your pictures next to

1585
01:36:45,100 --> 01:36:51,900
hers, you know, the Sketch.
Now, went, I first called her at

1586
01:36:51,900 --> 01:36:53,600
the police?
I got the jail.

1587
01:36:53,700 --> 01:36:56,300
I only knew that the, the phones
were always recorded.

1588
01:36:56,500 --> 01:36:59,800
So she's like, using Code words
and she will not come out and

1589
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:01,400
say what the police need to
know.

1590
01:37:01,700 --> 01:37:05,200
This goes on for three days and
finally Eileen has like listen

1591
01:37:05,300 --> 01:37:09,700
just go ahead and let them know
what you need to know, what they

1592
01:37:09,700 --> 01:37:13,300
want to know or anything.
Like I'll cover for you because

1593
01:37:13,300 --> 01:37:14,800
you're innocent.
I'm not going to let you go to

1594
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:18,900
jail.
If I have to confess, I There

1595
01:37:18,900 --> 01:37:22,800
were 11 calls and all and to be
honest they are absolutely sad.

1596
01:37:23,900 --> 01:37:26,400
I think that I was speaking,
honestly, when she told Eileen

1597
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:29,000
that she was scared, she didn't
want to go to jail and I think

1598
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:32,200
that Eileen was being honest
when she said over and over like

1599
01:37:32,200 --> 01:37:34,700
I'm not gonna let you go down
for this, right?

1600
01:37:34,700 --> 01:37:38,300
Yeah.
I mean okay yeah almost

1601
01:37:38,300 --> 01:37:43,000
immediately ileane speaks to a
CEO in her prison corrections

1602
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:49,400
officer and She just starts kind
of offloading on the police

1603
01:37:49,400 --> 01:37:54,500
officer and she's just like, I'm
one of the people from the news

1604
01:37:54,500 --> 01:37:57,300
that they've been looking for
and she's like, I love my

1605
01:37:57,300 --> 01:37:59,700
girlfriend and she has nothing
to do with this.

1606
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:02,200
She's like I'm the one who
killed six man.

1607
01:38:02,700 --> 01:38:07,800
And on January 16th 1991,
Lawrence her zepa and Bruce

1608
01:38:07,800 --> 01:38:11,900
monster, showed up to talk to
Eileen, she was given to public

1609
01:38:11,900 --> 01:38:14,900
defenders.
She immediately kind of wave.

1610
01:38:15,100 --> 01:38:18,500
Rights and during that
confession during a conversation

1611
01:38:18,500 --> 01:38:21,500
she confessed to the murders of
David Spears, Richard Mallory

1612
01:38:21,500 --> 01:38:25,600
Charles carsten Peter, symes
Troy Burris Walter G, no Anthony

1613
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:29,000
and Charles Humphries, she
wanted them to know she did on

1614
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:30,700
her own, Ty had nothing to do
with it.

1615
01:38:31,100 --> 01:38:33,800
She told him that most of the
time she was always drunk and

1616
01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:35,600
she was hooking and things got
rough.

1617
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:39,500
And she got scared and she
killed somebody interspersed

1618
01:38:39,500 --> 01:38:44,200
with this testimony though.
Are these moments where she just

1619
01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:46,900
Rambles about?
How much she loves Thai and how

1620
01:38:46,900 --> 01:38:51,500
Thai is a good pure person.
Honestly, these transcripts were

1621
01:38:51,500 --> 01:38:56,000
hard to read through, because I
know, regardless of her mental

1622
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:58,800
state, she was legally sane
enough to stand trial, but it's

1623
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:02,300
not like Bundy who could tell
you the places and names and who

1624
01:39:02,300 --> 01:39:04,800
he killed and where they were
hidden, right?

1625
01:39:04,900 --> 01:39:09,800
Or, you know, re River Killer,
like Eileen.

1626
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:13,000
Didn't know who any of these men
were?

1627
01:39:13,300 --> 01:39:14,900
It was just a stream of
consciousness.

1628
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:18,800
There was no thrills in, get a
thrill from these deaths.

1629
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:22,300
She did not covet their remains.
She was moving from one moment

1630
01:39:22,300 --> 01:39:25,000
to another just making enough
money to survive and then moving

1631
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:30,000
again, right?
Because like I think of it as

1632
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:35,400
like the man, they do to
stalking, they any research on

1633
01:39:35,400 --> 01:39:37,000
these people before they even
kill them.

1634
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:40,700
And then she just was just like,
yeah, in the moment.

1635
01:39:42,100 --> 01:39:45,200
And I do wanna pause and like,
so, we all know.

1636
01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:47,100
Well, not a know, some people
probably listening know that

1637
01:39:47,100 --> 01:39:48,600
there are different kinds of
serial killers.

1638
01:39:49,400 --> 01:39:53,000
We have talked about Comfort
killers in the past, any daus,

1639
01:39:53,100 --> 01:39:56,200
Belle gunness.
But I leaned us count as a

1640
01:39:56,200 --> 01:40:00,500
comfort killer.
And the main reason is that they

1641
01:40:01,100 --> 01:40:04,000
kill for financial Comfort,
right?

1642
01:40:04,300 --> 01:40:07,100
That's the standard.
Now, Comfort Killers can be

1643
01:40:07,100 --> 01:40:09,400
organized or disorganized, like
nannie.

1644
01:40:09,400 --> 01:40:12,700
Doss made plants.
And kill people slowly, with

1645
01:40:12,700 --> 01:40:15,700
poison, over a long period of
time, Eileen was very

1646
01:40:15,700 --> 01:40:19,600
disorganized in her approach.
Most women serial killers are

1647
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:22,900
Comfort Killers, but they are
not usually as violent as Eileen

1648
01:40:22,900 --> 01:40:26,300
was.
This makes for very unique in

1649
01:40:26,300 --> 01:40:29,700
the ways for people who research
killers and there are lots of

1650
01:40:29,700 --> 01:40:32,900
elements to this case that do
not fit the norm and that's kind

1651
01:40:32,900 --> 01:40:37,400
of why we're talking about her.
Because these things confused us

1652
01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:40,300
about the case actually.
Recently, I was speaking to a

1653
01:40:40,300 --> 01:40:44,900
couple people on my life and we
were discussing attachment

1654
01:40:44,900 --> 01:40:49,900
disorder if people don't know,
it's something that can happen

1655
01:40:49,900 --> 01:40:55,800
in children.
And it's children not forming

1656
01:40:55,800 --> 01:41:00,500
the proper bonds with their
caregivers and then they remain

1657
01:41:00,500 --> 01:41:02,300
like this.
Well, into adulthood.

1658
01:41:02,300 --> 01:41:04,100
And it usually goes one of two
ways.

1659
01:41:04,300 --> 01:41:07,300
The child becomes almost
aggressively social in order to

1660
01:41:07,300 --> 01:41:11,800
gain adults approval and trust,
or we have the extreme opposite

1661
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:16,000
which is called reactive
attachment disorder where you

1662
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:19,200
have the child has a hard time,
controlling their emotions and

1663
01:41:19,200 --> 01:41:22,200
stresses sometimes they appear
emotionless.

1664
01:41:22,500 --> 01:41:26,500
And social interactions.
They grow up resistant to

1665
01:41:26,500 --> 01:41:28,300
affection.
Struggle, to maintain

1666
01:41:28,300 --> 01:41:31,300
relationships - self-worth anger
problems.

1667
01:41:31,300 --> 01:41:34,200
Impulsiveness, Detachment.
Like I'm obviously not a

1668
01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:38,400
psychologist but I've met
children with this issue and

1669
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:40,900
there was a major case in the
90s with a little girl named

1670
01:41:40,900 --> 01:41:44,800
Beth Thomas, who was actively
trying to kill her adopted

1671
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:48,200
parents, and her younger brother
who had reactive attachment

1672
01:41:48,200 --> 01:41:53,700
disorder, like virtually she had
no, She just was just like, I

1673
01:41:53,700 --> 01:41:55,400
don't know who these people are.
I don't care about that.

1674
01:41:55,900 --> 01:41:58,800
And so I wonder if I'm like,
dang, I wonder if she could have

1675
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:01,500
had something like that but we
didn't even know what that was

1676
01:42:01,500 --> 01:42:03,600
called back then, right?
Yeah.

1677
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:08,400
When she was a little kid, And
like, that's like, part of me

1678
01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:11,000
feels like, even though I lean
waived her rights and like I

1679
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:14,900
said, she's definitely not like
insane, but like I feel like,

1680
01:42:14,900 --> 01:42:18,600
like looking over like those
transcripts of those.

1681
01:42:18,600 --> 01:42:24,000
Like, for our confession, she
was just so depressed and like,

1682
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:28,300
empty and it still feels an
ethical even though they

1683
01:42:28,300 --> 01:42:32,900
followed all of the legal
guidelines, regardless, after

1684
01:42:32,900 --> 01:42:35,600
those interviews on January
16th, I leaned his kind of

1685
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:38,400
settled On into living at the
prison, she was over the news.

1686
01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:40,500
So she was reading about
herself.

1687
01:42:40,900 --> 01:42:42,500
She was sure that she had saved
ties.

1688
01:42:42,500 --> 01:42:45,300
So she focused on the fact that
she was kind of becoming a star

1689
01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:51,300
Two days after that, though.
See you said that?

1690
01:42:51,300 --> 01:42:53,500
Like there was a little shift in
her personality.

1691
01:42:53,500 --> 01:42:56,900
This one CEO, Susan handsome was
on duty and they were told to

1692
01:42:56,907 --> 01:42:59,200
keep watch over Eileen because
she was a mystery.

1693
01:42:59,200 --> 01:43:02,500
And me, they didn't know that
she was as they were calling,

1694
01:43:02,500 --> 01:43:09,600
they were referred to Eileen as
the They called her the hooker

1695
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:13,000
hitchhiker or like it was
something ridiculous like that

1696
01:43:13,900 --> 01:43:16,600
or Highway hitch, Highway
hooker, that's they called her.

1697
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:23,300
And So, they didn't know that I
like mean, was the highway

1698
01:43:23,300 --> 01:43:27,000
hooker.
So, when Susan walks by aliens

1699
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:30,100
door, like Eileen's, like,
they're talking about me, and

1700
01:43:30,100 --> 01:43:32,900
they're saying that, like, I'm a
killer who robs and a robber who

1701
01:43:32,900 --> 01:43:35,200
kills and she's like, no, that's
not what happened.

1702
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:37,900
This was on self-defense and she
starts to tell him the CEO.

1703
01:43:37,900 --> 01:43:40,100
She'd been raped so many times
in her life that she was just

1704
01:43:40,100 --> 01:43:42,700
sick of it and that she didn't
kill them, they were going to

1705
01:43:42,700 --> 01:43:44,500
rape her.
And this is something that

1706
01:43:44,500 --> 01:43:46,900
Eileen repeats over and over.
Again, during her case.

1707
01:43:46,900 --> 01:43:50,400
And like I said, I honestly
believe that she He believed

1708
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:53,600
this was true, it was not the
reality.

1709
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:57,100
None of these men sexually
assaulted her but she believed

1710
01:43:57,100 --> 01:44:00,800
it, she believed it was going
that well access, not true.

1711
01:44:00,800 --> 01:44:04,000
I think Richard Mallory was one
of the ones who could have

1712
01:44:04,500 --> 01:44:08,500
because he had a history of
sexual assault and getting weird

1713
01:44:08,500 --> 01:44:11,100
and violent with like strippers
and other local workers.

1714
01:44:11,100 --> 01:44:15,500
So I think if there was anybody
who did fit that mold, it was

1715
01:44:15,500 --> 01:44:18,000
the first guy.
Great might have actually tried

1716
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:21,800
something with her and he was
The Catalyst to her snapping and

1717
01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:26,000
started killing people.
But either way Eileen was stuck

1718
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:28,500
in this weird place, where she
like I said, she simultaneously

1719
01:44:28,500 --> 01:44:31,200
like didn't seem to really like
men, but she needed their money.

1720
01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:34,900
And the only job she ever had
was prostitution.

1721
01:44:35,100 --> 01:44:38,200
So, like, having to rely on
these people who have hurt you.

1722
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:40,900
Mmm.
Yeah, it's it's tough.

1723
01:44:40,900 --> 01:44:44,200
It's a and then, like Eileen
would flip back and forth

1724
01:44:44,200 --> 01:44:46,800
sometimes she would tell the
seat like Hanson.

1725
01:44:47,300 --> 01:44:51,500
You know, I see ten guys day and
I didn't kill unless I had to,

1726
01:44:51,700 --> 01:44:54,400
but then she also talked about
like, how she had had sex with

1727
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:58,900
her. 250,000 people and the math
behind that is that she would

1728
01:44:58,900 --> 01:45:02,200
have had to seem like 50 people
a day for like 10 years.

1729
01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:09,300
Not possible and she sat like
Hanson testified that Eileen had

1730
01:45:09,300 --> 01:45:12,700
virtually no remorse.
And that, like she laughed and

1731
01:45:12,700 --> 01:45:16,800
she joked about murdering them.
She never Hansen, says she never

1732
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:20,500
heard Eileen say, you know, I'm
sorry I had to do this or I'm

1733
01:45:20,500 --> 01:45:23,800
upset just, if I didn't kill
him, he would have hurt people.

1734
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:28,900
So there is a press leak and
they find out that Eileen is the

1735
01:45:28,900 --> 01:45:32,500
highway hooker.
She gets inundated with books

1736
01:45:32,500 --> 01:45:35,900
movie deals before her trial.
She signed off the legal rights

1737
01:45:35,900 --> 01:45:39,500
to her story for a film Eileen
thought that, when she beat her

1738
01:45:39,500 --> 01:45:41,900
case, she would make millions
from the book deals in the

1739
01:45:41,900 --> 01:45:45,900
movie, because she was sure that
like, this was self-defense, she

1740
01:45:45,900 --> 01:45:48,900
didn't know that Florida
actually has a law prohibiting

1741
01:45:48,900 --> 01:45:50,800
criminals from profiting off of
their crimes.

1742
01:45:52,900 --> 01:45:57,900
So she was not allowed to make
any money from anything that we

1743
01:45:57,900 --> 01:46:02,300
have seen from her in terms of
her autobiography her biography,

1744
01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:06,200
the movie monster nothing to be
fair, though, the movie came out

1745
01:46:06,200 --> 01:46:09,800
a year after she died, so she
was never gonna see that money,

1746
01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:12,700
right?
So she gets indicted January,

1747
01:46:12,700 --> 01:46:16,400
28th 1991 for Richard Mallory.
Then as February progresses,

1748
01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:19,900
they add in three more.
And then they decide to push for

1749
01:46:19,900 --> 01:46:23,900
the death penalty with Richard
Mallory before they have even

1750
01:46:24,300 --> 01:46:26,500
finished the investigations into
the other murder.

1751
01:46:27,100 --> 01:46:32,300
That trial starts a year later,
January, 14th 1990 to the

1752
01:46:32,300 --> 01:46:35,900
evidence against Arlene is
overwhelming and damning the

1753
01:46:35,900 --> 01:46:38,900
medical center said that,
Richard Mallory would have taken

1754
01:46:39,200 --> 01:46:43,400
10 to 20 minutes to die.
And it would have been agonizing

1755
01:46:43,500 --> 01:46:46,600
oof.
Ty's testimony was important

1756
01:46:46,600 --> 01:46:49,500
because it contradicted
virtually everything that Eileen

1757
01:46:49,500 --> 01:46:54,100
said along with the CEO Hansen,
who said that Eileen didn't show

1758
01:46:54,100 --> 01:46:56,600
any remorse site, I said the
same thing.

1759
01:46:56,900 --> 01:47:01,600
They also pulled in 12 men who
met Eileen on the highway and

1760
01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:04,400
testified like about her
demeanor.

1761
01:47:06,200 --> 01:47:09,800
Florida also has this law called
the Williams rule, which allows

1762
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:12,500
evidence that's not related to
the crime to be submitted.

1763
01:47:12,500 --> 01:47:15,100
If it can prove, there is a
pattern of behavior or an

1764
01:47:15,100 --> 01:47:17,900
escalation.
So they added the other six

1765
01:47:17,900 --> 01:47:21,200
murders to evidence to show that
there was a pattern of behavior

1766
01:47:21,400 --> 01:47:24,500
to show that she was not killing
because of self-defense.

1767
01:47:26,100 --> 01:47:30,200
That's um, that's, that's pretty
good.

1768
01:47:30,200 --> 01:47:35,900
I guess the police showed the
video from the confession And

1769
01:47:35,900 --> 01:47:38,200
like I said, when Eileen was
talking about this, the only

1770
01:47:38,200 --> 01:47:41,700
thing she was concerned about
was tied in, do anything, tied

1771
01:47:41,700 --> 01:47:43,000
into anything wrong.
She's wonderful.

1772
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:46,200
She's perfect, she's special.
But when she's talking about

1773
01:47:46,200 --> 01:47:49,400
like killing the, man, she's
just kind of Happily chatting

1774
01:47:51,100 --> 01:47:55,500
and that didn't make her a
sympathetic defendant her Tony's

1775
01:47:55,500 --> 01:47:57,300
were like, they're going to call
you.

1776
01:47:58,700 --> 01:48:02,300
We're going to call you to talk,
but when the other side cross

1777
01:48:02,300 --> 01:48:07,700
examines you invoke the Fifth
Amendment Eileen didn't do that

1778
01:48:07,700 --> 01:48:10,900
for a while.
She incriminated herself on the

1779
01:48:10,900 --> 01:48:15,800
stand about 25 different times.
My God and she was angry and she

1780
01:48:15,800 --> 01:48:19,000
was frustrated.
And that also didn't look really

1781
01:48:19,000 --> 01:48:21,300
good for her.
Finally, she did invoke the

1782
01:48:21,300 --> 01:48:24,100
Fifth Amendment and they
stopped, but the damage was

1783
01:48:24,100 --> 01:48:25,500
done.
Yes, you're right.

1784
01:48:27,300 --> 01:48:32,900
She's the only defense witness.
They had nobody really damn

1785
01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:38,400
nobody.
We went to deliberate on January

1786
01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:42,100
27th, they came back in 91
minutes with their verdict

1787
01:48:42,100 --> 01:48:44,500
guilty of premeditated
first-degree murder, which is

1788
01:48:44,500 --> 01:48:46,700
wild because I don't think this
was premeditated.

1789
01:48:46,700 --> 01:48:48,600
I thought it was.
I seem pretty random than me.

1790
01:48:49,200 --> 01:48:51,200
Yeah, exactly.
That's what it sounds like.

1791
01:48:51,700 --> 01:48:53,100
Yeah.
As they filed out of the

1792
01:48:53,108 --> 01:48:55,400
courtroom Eileen started
screaming at them.

1793
01:48:55,400 --> 01:48:56,800
I'm innocent.
I was raped.

1794
01:48:56,800 --> 01:48:58,900
I hope you get raped you
scumbags.

1795
01:49:00,700 --> 01:49:02,900
This is unfortunate because
these were the same people who

1796
01:49:02,900 --> 01:49:04,800
still had to sentence her,
right?

1797
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:08,200
Yeah.
The for the defense hearing they

1798
01:49:08,200 --> 01:49:10,900
bring in a witness to testify to
her mental illness.

1799
01:49:11,100 --> 01:49:14,300
Loads of doctors say she has
borderline personality disorder.

1800
01:49:14,300 --> 01:49:17,500
They talked about her upbringing
destroying her from a young age,

1801
01:49:17,700 --> 01:49:20,800
her defense attorney like during
her statement like we urge

1802
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:24,500
Eileen is Dan a damaged
primitive child and like she

1803
01:49:24,600 --> 01:49:27,900
liked her actual lawyer cried
and she was like, spare her

1804
01:49:27,900 --> 01:49:31,300
life, put her in prison forever,
didn't matter the judge.

1805
01:49:31,300 --> 01:49:36,100
Remember that explosion at the
court, the jury, Recommended the

1806
01:49:36,100 --> 01:49:39,300
death penalty by electric chair,
the judge reaffirm this on

1807
01:49:39,300 --> 01:49:42,800
January 13th 1992.
I'm going to read you his

1808
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:47,100
statement cuz I just read, it
says Eileen.

1809
01:49:47,100 --> 01:49:49,500
Carol were knows being brought
before the court by attorney.

1810
01:49:49,500 --> 01:49:52,800
William Miller, Tricia Jenkins
and Billy Nola's have been tried

1811
01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:55,400
and found guilty of count one
first-degree, premeditated

1812
01:49:55,400 --> 01:49:57,600
murder and first degree, felony
murder of Richard.

1813
01:49:57,600 --> 01:50:01,500
Mallory a capital felony and
count to armed robbery with a

1814
01:50:01,500 --> 01:50:03,400
firearm here, by judge and
found.

1815
01:50:03,400 --> 01:50:05,900
Guilty of said offenses, the
court having given the

1816
01:50:05,900 --> 01:50:09,600
defendant, an opportunity to be
heard and to offer a matters in

1817
01:50:09,900 --> 01:50:13,000
Mitigation Of sentence.
It is the sentence of this court

1818
01:50:13,100 --> 01:50:16,200
that you Eileen Carol, wuornos
be Read by the sheriff of

1819
01:50:16,200 --> 01:50:19,500
Volusia County to the proper
officer of the Department of

1820
01:50:19,500 --> 01:50:23,000
Corrections, in the State of
Florida, and by him safely kept

1821
01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:26,100
until warrant of the governor of
the state of Florida.

1822
01:50:26,100 --> 01:50:29,400
You Aileen wuornos be
electrocuted until you are dead.

1823
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:32,200
And may God have mercy on your
corpse.

1824
01:50:33,700 --> 01:50:37,200
That is not normally how you end
that it has had mercy on your

1825
01:50:37,200 --> 01:50:39,000
soul, right?
Uh-huh.

1826
01:50:39,100 --> 01:50:42,500
And so, it actually causes like
an audible gasp from the

1827
01:50:42,500 --> 01:50:45,000
courtroom and people weren't
sure whether they had said the

1828
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:49,500
right Right thing, Eileen was
gutted, she pleaded no contest

1829
01:50:49,500 --> 01:50:52,700
to the murder of Charles,
Humphreys, Troy Perez, and David

1830
01:50:52,700 --> 01:50:55,900
Spears on March, 31st 1982.
She told the court, she wanted

1831
01:50:55,900 --> 01:50:58,400
to get right with God.
She made a really bizarre

1832
01:50:58,400 --> 01:51:01,600
statement to that court that
ended with I wanted to confess

1833
01:51:01,600 --> 01:51:03,300
to you.
That Richard Mallory did

1834
01:51:03,300 --> 01:51:06,400
violently great me.
As of told you what the others

1835
01:51:06,400 --> 01:51:09,000
did not.
And then she turned and looked

1836
01:51:09,000 --> 01:51:11,300
at the assistant State Attorney
Rick Ridgeway.

1837
01:51:11,300 --> 01:51:14,300
And whispered to him, I hope
your wife and children get raped

1838
01:51:14,300 --> 01:51:17,900
in the ass.
And that's just kind of The

1839
01:51:17,900 --> 01:51:21,200
Duality and Mylene that we've
seen throughout the story,

1840
01:51:21,500 --> 01:51:23,100
right?
Yeah, yeah.

1841
01:51:23,300 --> 01:51:27,000
Something to expect coming from
her moments of honesty and like

1842
01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:30,800
wholesomeness followed by
defensive anger and attempting

1843
01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:35,600
to hurt people.
Now, Friday, March 15th, she's

1844
01:51:35,600 --> 01:51:38,900
given three more death
sentences, she flips off the

1845
01:51:38,900 --> 01:51:41,600
judge and called him a
motherfucker.

1846
01:51:43,300 --> 01:51:47,100
Now it was after the trial that
the defense found the past of

1847
01:51:47,100 --> 01:51:50,000
Richard Mallory.
But by this point, she already

1848
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:52,400
had three other deaths and
ince's so they were like.

1849
01:51:52,500 --> 01:51:56,800
Should we even try and appeal?
By the end of 92, she had been

1850
01:51:56,800 --> 01:51:58,900
affirmed for six, new death
sentences.

1851
01:51:58,900 --> 01:52:05,600
Oh God Inside prison, it was
like she'd already given up she

1852
01:52:05,600 --> 01:52:07,800
was in for Department of
Corrections at Broward

1853
01:52:07,800 --> 01:52:10,500
correctional institute and so
she was moved to Florida, state

1854
01:52:10,500 --> 01:52:13,600
prison for execution.
Her lawyers did trying to appeal

1855
01:52:13,800 --> 01:52:15,000
even though she didn't want them
to.

1856
01:52:15,200 --> 01:52:18,600
And that appeal was denied by
the US Supreme Court, in 1986

1857
01:52:18,900 --> 01:52:21,600
after Eileen, tried to get her
court-appointed attorneys to

1858
01:52:21,600 --> 01:52:24,100
fall back.
She eventually petitioned the

1859
01:52:24,100 --> 01:52:29,400
Florida Supreme Court in 2001 to
dismiss her legal counsel saying

1860
01:52:29,400 --> 01:52:31,700
I killed those men.
I robbed This cold as ice and I

1861
01:52:31,708 --> 01:52:33,800
do it again.
There's no chance and keeping me

1862
01:52:33,800 --> 01:52:36,900
alive or anything because I'd
kill again, I've hate crawling

1863
01:52:36,900 --> 01:52:40,000
through my system, I'm so sick
of hearing this, she's crazy

1864
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:41,900
stuff.
I've been evaluated so many

1865
01:52:41,900 --> 01:52:43,700
times.
I'm confident saying and I'm

1866
01:52:43,700 --> 01:52:46,500
trying to tell the truth, I'm
someone who's seriously hates

1867
01:52:46,500 --> 01:52:51,600
human life and I kill again.
Her lawyers would like she is

1868
01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:55,100
not competent to make a request
like this, but the court agreed.

1869
01:52:57,300 --> 01:52:59,400
During her time on death row,
she was there with a couple

1870
01:52:59,400 --> 01:53:03,800
other famous faces, like Judy
Bueno, en o who had been on

1871
01:53:03,800 --> 01:53:07,100
death row since nineteen 54,
poisoning her husband and

1872
01:53:07,100 --> 01:53:09,700
drowning her disabled, son, and
planting a bomb and her

1873
01:53:09,700 --> 01:53:13,600
boyfriend's car.
Judy was the first woman

1874
01:53:13,600 --> 01:53:16,500
executed on Florida March 30th
1998.

1875
01:53:16,700 --> 01:53:19,100
There were other people to
people who got their sentences

1876
01:53:19,100 --> 01:53:21,900
commuted or reverse but Eileen
didn't want that.

1877
01:53:22,100 --> 01:53:25,100
By the time of her execution,
she was 46 years old and

1878
01:53:25,100 --> 01:53:29,400
honestly, a very hard life had
added a decade to her looks.

1879
01:53:29,800 --> 01:53:32,800
She was still saying, petite
woman, but she had been

1880
01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:36,200
stretched so far that by the
time she was in prison in 91.

1881
01:53:36,500 --> 01:53:39,400
There wasn't a lot left in her,
not a lot of fight anymore.

1882
01:53:41,500 --> 01:53:42,800
Death row cells, don't have
bars.

1883
01:53:42,800 --> 01:53:45,200
There's a metal door with a
hatch to dispense food

1884
01:53:45,200 --> 01:53:47,100
medication.
She had one tiny window that

1885
01:53:47,100 --> 01:53:52,000
looked at the parking lot.
Goddamn her cell was that like

1886
01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:55,400
soft Baker Miller pink that
Alexander Shaw's told the

1887
01:53:55,400 --> 01:53:58,100
prisons in the 60s, would
decrease violent, aggressive

1888
01:53:58,100 --> 01:54:02,200
behavior, maybe it worked.
I don't know, Eileen didn't

1889
01:54:02,200 --> 01:54:04,600
really raging herself, she read
books about self-help

1890
01:54:04,600 --> 01:54:07,300
Enlightenment.
She wrote letters to Arlene

1891
01:54:07,300 --> 01:54:09,400
prowl.
This horse, breeder who saw her

1892
01:54:09,400 --> 01:54:12,600
in the paper and told Eileen.
That she needed a mother and so

1893
01:54:12,600 --> 01:54:17,200
they refer to each other as my
adopted mother, my adopted

1894
01:54:17,300 --> 01:54:19,700
daughter.
Even though Arlene was only 13

1895
01:54:19,700 --> 01:54:23,200
years older than her.
She wrote to her friend Dawn,

1896
01:54:23,200 --> 01:54:24,900
Bodkins from when they were
little.

1897
01:54:24,900 --> 01:54:28,000
But her only childhood friend,
that would be the return to a

1898
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:30,900
book called dear Dawn.
She spoke with authors

1899
01:54:30,900 --> 01:54:33,800
journalists she and Christopher
Barry D would work on the

1900
01:54:33,800 --> 01:54:36,300
autobiography monster.
My true story while she was in

1901
01:54:36,300 --> 01:54:38,500
prison.
She made the deal for the movie.

1902
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:40,600
I think she really wanted people
to know her.

1903
01:54:40,700 --> 01:54:43,500
Story.
She told the Orlando Sentinel at

1904
01:54:43,500 --> 01:54:46,600
one point, I'm not a man hater.
I'm just so used to being

1905
01:54:46,600 --> 01:54:50,100
treated like dirt that I guess
it's become a way of life but

1906
01:54:50,100 --> 01:54:53,900
I'm a decent person.
Ultimately Eileen, spent 11

1907
01:54:53,900 --> 01:54:56,700
years and 4 months.
And virtual isolation, waiting

1908
01:54:56,700 --> 01:54:59,300
for execution.
Pretty much begging the state to

1909
01:54:59,300 --> 01:55:01,800
hurry up.
There was still occasional

1910
01:55:01,800 --> 01:55:05,500
outbursts like in 2002, she
accused of prison of putting

1911
01:55:05,500 --> 01:55:10,400
dirt and Things in her food.
She said the president was

1912
01:55:10,400 --> 01:55:13,600
trying to make her kill herself
that they wanted to rape her.

1913
01:55:13,600 --> 01:55:18,200
She said there were strip
searches handcuffing, that was

1914
01:55:18,200 --> 01:55:21,900
tight people kicking her door
constant window checks, low

1915
01:55:21,900 --> 01:55:25,200
water pressure, mildew on her
mattress and that some of the

1916
01:55:25,200 --> 01:55:29,100
CEOs cat called her her last
week alive.

1917
01:55:29,100 --> 01:55:31,300
She did a bunch of interviews
with Nick Broomfield.

1918
01:55:31,600 --> 01:55:34,700
Now, he has done a documentary
on her in 1992 called Aileen,

1919
01:55:34,700 --> 01:55:37,100
wuornos the selling of a serial
killer Her.

1920
01:55:37,100 --> 01:55:39,700
And he was actually one of the
few people that I lean trusted,

1921
01:55:39,800 --> 01:55:43,300
because Nick believed that her
case was Miss Manilow mishandled

1922
01:55:43,500 --> 01:55:47,100
and he released the second
documentary life and death of a

1923
01:55:47,108 --> 01:55:54,400
serial killer Like to counter
what the reports like the the

1924
01:55:54,400 --> 01:55:55,300
courts report.
All right.

1925
01:55:55,300 --> 01:55:59,200
We're okay, both of those films
were actually used to make the

1926
01:55:59,200 --> 01:56:03,100
movie monster in 2003.
Her conservation, her

1927
01:56:03,100 --> 01:56:06,300
conversations, do that week
before she died ranged from

1928
01:56:06,300 --> 01:56:08,700
sadness, complaining, about the
prison feeling like she was

1929
01:56:08,700 --> 01:56:12,200
tortured and one point.
She even yelled at Nick, you

1930
01:56:12,200 --> 01:56:15,300
sabotage my ass society and the
cops and the system.

1931
01:56:15,300 --> 01:56:18,000
A raped woman got executed in
was used for books and movies

1932
01:56:18,000 --> 01:56:20,600
and shit.
It later, Nick and Don would

1933
01:56:20,600 --> 01:56:24,100
talk and that eyes, they realize
that Eileen was really talking

1934
01:56:24,100 --> 01:56:26,900
about the society that we live
in and media using her.

1935
01:56:28,500 --> 01:56:32,300
Now September 20th, they wake
her up, they get her dressed,

1936
01:56:32,300 --> 01:56:36,000
move her to the execution site.
The route from Broward prison

1937
01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:39,000
was ironically the same Highway.
She had worked and killed on

1938
01:56:39,700 --> 01:56:41,700
I-95 to the Florida.
Turnpike.

1939
01:56:41,700 --> 01:56:46,800
West of Wildwood up.
I-75 to Gainesville to the

1940
01:56:46,800 --> 01:56:49,400
United Correctional Institution,
which was formerly known as

1941
01:56:49,400 --> 01:56:51,800
Florida State Prison.
She was held in the special

1942
01:56:51,800 --> 01:56:55,200
security cell, let 24 hours and
watch 24 hours.

1943
01:56:55,200 --> 01:56:57,600
It was honestly more of a cage
than anything else.

1944
01:56:58,300 --> 01:57:01,800
You didn't climb to speak to a
priest or a chaplain, she

1945
01:57:01,800 --> 01:57:03,700
declined.
She denied her last meal asked

1946
01:57:03,700 --> 01:57:07,700
for coffee instead on October
9th, 2002, she was supposed to

1947
01:57:07,708 --> 01:57:11,500
be killed by electric chair, but
in 2000, Florida, had brought in

1948
01:57:11,500 --> 01:57:15,000
lethal injection.
On the day of she didn't fight

1949
01:57:15,000 --> 01:57:16,700
she walked to the execution
chamber.

1950
01:57:16,700 --> 01:57:20,900
Calmly and her last words were
yes I would just like to say I'm

1951
01:57:20,900 --> 01:57:23,800
sailing with The Rock and I'll
be back like Independence Day

1952
01:57:23,800 --> 01:57:27,500
With Jesus, June 6, like the
movie Big Mothership And all

1953
01:57:27,600 --> 01:57:28,500
I'll be back.
Back.

1954
01:57:28,900 --> 01:57:34,300
I'll be back and she died on
9:47 a.m. she is the second

1955
01:57:34,300 --> 01:57:37,800
woman in Florida and the tenth
and the u.s. to be executed

1956
01:57:37,900 --> 01:57:40,500
since the United States Supreme
Court restored capital

1957
01:57:40,500 --> 01:57:47,000
punishment. 1976 she was
cremated as her request Dawn,

1958
01:57:47,000 --> 01:57:49,600
scattered her ashes at a secret
location and Foster Ian.

1959
01:57:49,600 --> 01:57:53,400
Michigan, Eileen had one of the
requests that Natalie Merchant

1960
01:57:53,400 --> 01:57:56,000
song Carnival was played at her
memorial service.

1961
01:57:56,800 --> 01:57:59,900
That album was something that
she Listen to a lot on death

1962
01:57:59,900 --> 01:58:03,400
row, when Natalie heard about
it, she was like, oh, you can

1963
01:58:03,400 --> 01:58:06,500
use that song in the ending
credits for your movie, Nick

1964
01:58:06,500 --> 01:58:10,900
Broomfield, when next enter the
film to watch.

1965
01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:16,400
She said it was too disturbing
and Natalie will know.

1966
01:58:16,400 --> 01:58:18,200
Like she just said that, like,
you know, Eileen had a really

1967
01:58:18,200 --> 01:58:22,100
hard life, and this is like
terrible to watch but she also

1968
01:58:22,100 --> 01:58:25,100
said it was very odd to think of
the places, my music can go.

1969
01:58:25,100 --> 01:58:28,800
Once it leaves my hand, if it
gave her some Solace.

1970
01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:36,500
I have to be grateful, okay?
Ultimately they they decided

1971
01:58:36,500 --> 01:58:38,800
that she had borderline
personality disorder and

1972
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:42,800
antisocial personality disorder.
She's very famously known for

1973
01:58:42,800 --> 01:58:46,500
scoring 32 on the psychopathy
checklist in which the highest

1974
01:58:46,500 --> 01:58:51,900
score was thought to be a 3000
honestly, I don't know if

1975
01:58:51,900 --> 01:58:53,900
somebody like Eileen would exist
in today's world.

1976
01:58:53,900 --> 01:58:55,400
I worked in child care for 10
years.

1977
01:58:55,400 --> 01:58:59,800
I met kids with a multitude of
Disorders and mental illnesses.

1978
01:59:00,100 --> 01:59:03,000
And in today's day we have a lot
of resources for children.

1979
01:59:03,200 --> 01:59:06,900
Kids do fall through the cracks
but like Gosh, one of the

1980
01:59:06,900 --> 01:59:09,700
horrible details.
I know about my work based on

1981
01:59:09,700 --> 01:59:11,900
that work, is that like the
current rate of sexual assault

1982
01:59:11,900 --> 01:59:16,400
in, the US for children is 28%,
this is the lowest it's been in

1983
01:59:16,400 --> 01:59:21,100
decades.
So in in the age when Eileen

1984
01:59:21,100 --> 01:59:25,400
lived it was much, much higher.
We have brought it down to that

1985
01:59:25,400 --> 01:59:29,900
28 percent based on teaching
parents and anybody who works

1986
01:59:29,900 --> 01:59:34,300
with children how to spot things
before they become things, we

1987
01:59:34,300 --> 01:59:35,900
are very far from fixing the
issue.

1988
01:59:36,200 --> 01:59:39,200
We're teaching kids about agency
autonomy, right?

1989
01:59:41,400 --> 01:59:43,200
Yeah, we got, you know what?
It's funny.

1990
01:59:43,200 --> 01:59:50,100
We got our kids this book and
it's it's, it's about, you know,

1991
01:59:50,100 --> 01:59:52,400
how people are, you know, you're
not supposed to be touched by

1992
01:59:52,400 --> 01:59:56,600
anybody basically and how you
know, my parts are my parts, and

1993
01:59:56,600 --> 01:59:59,800
I don't share those.
Anybody and so, it's a really

1994
01:59:59,800 --> 02:00:03,200
good book for like, you know,
teaching is in something that so

1995
02:00:03,200 --> 02:00:06,500
they know that, you know, you're
not supposed to be and if

1996
02:00:06,500 --> 02:00:09,600
anything happens like that you
do speak up and you know, tell

1997
02:00:09,600 --> 02:00:11,900
someone that you trust.
Mmm.

1998
02:00:12,700 --> 02:00:16,600
Yeah, it's wild that we have to
teach this but that we have the

1999
02:00:16,600 --> 02:00:19,900
evidence of Decades of not
teaching it, right?

2000
02:00:19,900 --> 02:00:22,900
Yeah.
Leaving our kids, vulnerable to

2001
02:00:23,200 --> 02:00:26,700
abuse.
Honestly, I don't know where I

2002
02:00:26,700 --> 02:00:28,200
sit on this.
If she should have gotten the

2003
02:00:28,208 --> 02:00:31,400
death penalty or if they should
have given her a chance to get

2004
02:00:31,400 --> 02:00:35,300
their be and medication and see
if she could live a different

2005
02:00:35,300 --> 02:00:36,500
life.
Like, I don't know.

2006
02:00:36,700 --> 02:00:39,400
Hmm.
I know I said, like I said,

2007
02:00:39,400 --> 02:00:41,600
after I looked through all those
transcripts I was just

2008
02:00:41,700 --> 02:00:46,600
overwhelmingly sad.
Yes, it's this is a bummer.

2009
02:00:46,600 --> 02:00:51,300
But story pretty keys.
I know what it really was.

2010
02:00:52,100 --> 02:00:55,200
I gotta ask what happened to
what's her face.

2011
02:00:56,700 --> 02:01:00,400
Hi-yah.
After all, this did she did she

2012
02:01:00,400 --> 02:01:04,300
not visit Eileen at all?
Like does she not have visitors

2013
02:01:04,300 --> 02:01:13,100
at all because like I mean was
she died at 43?

2014
02:01:13,500 --> 02:01:22,600
Okay wait.
No wrong time at 43 or Cuz I'm

2015
02:01:22,600 --> 02:01:25,100
just like, well she kept your
butt out of jail.

2016
02:01:25,100 --> 02:01:27,200
You like to least you do is like
visit her.

2017
02:01:27,200 --> 02:01:36,400
Yeah.
There is a picture of the two of

2018
02:01:36,400 --> 02:01:42,900
them and Eileen's in like a like
a jumpsuit, like a blue

2019
02:01:42,900 --> 02:01:45,100
jumpsuit.
So, I think, Ty did visit her at

2020
02:01:45,100 --> 02:01:49,100
some point in prison and
Eileen's laughing in this photo.

2021
02:01:49,100 --> 02:01:51,300
So I think they might have made
up.

2022
02:01:51,700 --> 02:02:01,100
Okay.
Nope, never mind till the date

2023
02:02:01,100 --> 02:02:03,500
of, I'll ease execution.
Tyria, more did not pay her a

2024
02:02:03,500 --> 02:02:06,900
visit in jail.
So this must have been before

2025
02:02:06,900 --> 02:02:09,700
the murder that picture must
have been before the murder case

2026
02:02:09,700 --> 02:02:11,200
came down.
Okay.

2027
02:02:12,600 --> 02:02:15,700
Yep.
After the trial, she became

2028
02:02:15,700 --> 02:02:19,000
reclusive and lived a very
secret of life and move back to

2029
02:02:19,000 --> 02:02:22,700
Pennsylvania with her family,
okay?

2030
02:02:23,100 --> 02:02:24,500
Okay.
So, nope.

2031
02:02:24,500 --> 02:02:25,600
Nope.
You're right.

2032
02:02:25,600 --> 02:02:29,600
She did Keep Ass out of prison,
but there's no honor among

2033
02:02:29,600 --> 02:02:35,500
Thieves.
Okay, all right.

2034
02:02:35,500 --> 02:02:39,600
Well, after that, rather
depressing discussion of mental

2035
02:02:39,600 --> 02:02:43,600
health and crime, maybe you have
something better to talk about

2036
02:02:43,600 --> 02:02:47,700
today.
Brian, I do, I do actually help.

2037
02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:51,000
Because, when you're my notes to
Pop Up and goodness gracious, my

2038
02:02:51,000 --> 02:02:53,400
computer slow today.
All right, listen, I understand.

2039
02:02:53,400 --> 02:02:59,200
I'm in, I'm looking for a way
for me to buy what I need, but

2040
02:02:59,200 --> 02:03:03,200
also get an upgrade, that's the
way it goes.

2041
02:03:05,300 --> 02:03:09,200
So I've been thinking a lot
about how no one really talks

2042
02:03:09,200 --> 02:03:12,000
about witches eating children as
much as they should, you know,

2043
02:03:12,100 --> 02:03:23,500
excuse me, which is, I just want
to make sure we all heard that.

2044
02:03:24,800 --> 02:03:26,600
Yeah, that's right.
Which is eating children.

2045
02:03:26,800 --> 02:03:29,600
No one talks about it enough.
Like, it's not one of the

2046
02:03:29,600 --> 02:03:31,500
cautionary.
Tales you hear any more about?

2047
02:03:31,500 --> 02:03:33,700
I didn't know that which is eat
children.

2048
02:03:33,700 --> 02:03:38,300
I'm pretty sure the only
Everyone I know is Baba Yaga and

2049
02:03:38,300 --> 02:03:41,200
I thought she wasn't a witch.
I thought she was another kind

2050
02:03:41,200 --> 02:03:47,200
of creature.
Okay, well it was just a hag and

2051
02:03:47,200 --> 02:03:50,100
like in D&D hags are different
than witches.

2052
02:03:51,100 --> 02:03:53,400
Because of course, I know
Dungeons & Dragons more than

2053
02:03:53,400 --> 02:03:56,800
anything else, we're not talking
DD today.

2054
02:03:56,800 --> 02:04:01,900
Alright, so all you know, all
know more people care about when

2055
02:04:01,900 --> 02:04:04,700
it comes to which is that you
know, is that they'll get hex

2056
02:04:04,700 --> 02:04:08,000
Torino, the razor dead or maybe
commune with some type of dark

2057
02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:11,000
lord who fucking knows, you
know, which are all true.

2058
02:04:11,100 --> 02:04:14,900
You know, you know, this happens
sometimes witches, I guess but

2059
02:04:15,700 --> 02:04:19,300
you know it's also true which
just can be fickle, okay?

2060
02:04:19,900 --> 02:04:22,600
They may.
To eat someone one second.

2061
02:04:22,600 --> 02:04:24,900
And then turn around and help
someone else, help.

2062
02:04:25,600 --> 02:04:28,400
What's up with that, right?
The lady from Hansel and Gretel.

2063
02:04:28,400 --> 02:04:32,000
Was she a witch Yeah.
Oh I just thought she was a

2064
02:04:32,008 --> 02:04:35,400
cannibal.
I didn't know she was doing a

2065
02:04:35,400 --> 02:04:37,500
spell.
I just thought she liked the

2066
02:04:37,500 --> 02:04:49,200
taste of children.
I mean, I'm sorry.

2067
02:04:49,200 --> 02:04:57,500
I'm like, this is Anyway, I
guess I could just get you what

2068
02:04:57,500 --> 02:05:03,300
I'm talking about.
No, I just thought she liked the

2069
02:05:03,300 --> 02:05:10,700
taste.
You're not wrong, not wrong at

2070
02:05:10,700 --> 02:05:14,500
all.
So a minute for the approval of

2071
02:05:14,500 --> 02:05:19,200
the Midnight Society, This is
the tale of your guests, it.

2072
02:05:19,200 --> 02:05:23,100
So I guess whatever Baba Yaga.
Like I said, I didn't know she

2073
02:05:23,100 --> 02:05:25,700
was a witch.
I thought that was a whole

2074
02:05:25,700 --> 02:05:29,000
different kind of creature.
No, it's not.

2075
02:05:29,000 --> 02:05:32,700
It's not as subspecies of which
its it is.

2076
02:05:32,700 --> 02:05:37,500
Which and to be fair, that's the
only detail I know as Russian or

2077
02:05:37,500 --> 02:05:42,500
like in that area.
Um, she's Russian well because

2078
02:05:42,500 --> 02:05:45,800
my one friend is Ukrainian and
he talks about the probably

2079
02:05:45,800 --> 02:05:49,400
gonna go but I'd say it's a
Slavic, okay.

2080
02:05:50,700 --> 02:05:53,600
Sorry, I always guess, I don't
mean to guess what?

2081
02:05:53,600 --> 02:05:57,500
You're going to talk about it.
I make it so obvious when I'm

2082
02:05:57,500 --> 02:06:05,900
talking about which is okay.
So um she's from Russia.

2083
02:06:07,000 --> 02:06:08,900
But like a few to her origin
story.

2084
02:06:08,900 --> 02:06:10,600
I'm ready.
Okay.

2085
02:06:10,600 --> 02:06:17,400
Okay, okay.
So as many of y'all have already

2086
02:06:17,400 --> 02:06:20,700
guessed Baba, Yaga is a witch
but not just any which I mean,

2087
02:06:21,300 --> 02:06:24,300
you know how people like we're
just try but which is being like

2088
02:06:24,300 --> 02:06:28,600
an old ugly Crone who lives out
in the woods that would eat

2089
02:06:28,600 --> 02:06:31,800
children.
When in reality, they were just

2090
02:06:31,800 --> 02:06:34,800
like some hot-ass called girls
like just getting high in the

2091
02:06:34,800 --> 02:06:38,500
woods and can well, Hurry up.
I do.

2092
02:06:38,500 --> 02:06:40,800
I thought that was the modern
retelling.

2093
02:06:40,900 --> 02:06:43,600
That was the craft version of
witches.

2094
02:06:43,700 --> 02:06:47,300
I want.
That is when I saw the craft.

2095
02:06:48,000 --> 02:06:51,400
That's, that's the that's the,
which that people normally get

2096
02:06:51,400 --> 02:06:52,600
when they think.
Okay.

2097
02:06:53,500 --> 02:06:59,800
Which stardew Valley the game on
switch?

2098
02:07:03,100 --> 02:07:06,900
The little animals and that you
sell the bells and why can't I

2099
02:07:06,907 --> 02:07:09,200
remember it?
Oh, Animal Crossing in my Animal

2100
02:07:09,200 --> 02:07:13,700
Crossing I have my character
dressed up like the one which

2101
02:07:13,800 --> 02:07:19,900
from The movie, The Crab, the
craft, its that it says seen

2102
02:07:19,900 --> 02:07:23,700
with the black hat and they get
off the bus and the guys, like,

2103
02:07:23,800 --> 02:07:26,300
you know, be careful about those
weirdos out there.

2104
02:07:26,300 --> 02:07:31,000
As she goes, we are the weirdos
have that exact outfit on my

2105
02:07:31,000 --> 02:07:34,800
character.
I love the craft.

2106
02:07:34,800 --> 02:07:37,200
This one of my favorite movies.
Absolutely.

2107
02:07:37,500 --> 02:07:40,200
Okay.
So the reality is that not sexy

2108
02:07:40,200 --> 02:07:45,400
hot girls not sexy.
Okay so and this reality when

2109
02:07:45,400 --> 02:07:48,500
you My Baba, Yaga.
The people are spot on.

2110
02:07:48,500 --> 02:07:52,300
When they talk about, you know,
with his they, she is ugly, she

2111
02:07:52,300 --> 02:07:56,100
is a crone, she lives in the
woods and her story, like I

2112
02:07:56,100 --> 02:08:00,200
said, I'm sorry, cousin Russia.
And it's a very, very well known

2113
02:08:00,400 --> 02:08:06,100
folklore from the area.
So I'm not going to read the

2114
02:08:06,100 --> 02:08:10,200
whole thing to you, but I don't
want to summarize it for you.

2115
02:08:11,100 --> 02:08:15,000
So it may sound a little
familiar to most of you.

2116
02:08:15,700 --> 02:08:18,900
Especially you Brittany.
No I actually don't know a lot

2117
02:08:18,900 --> 02:08:21,700
about her.
No no but it will sound familiar

2118
02:08:21,700 --> 02:08:23,200
to you just just way.
Sure.

2119
02:08:23,200 --> 02:08:31,400
So okay, yeah, I guarantee it.
So the story, you know, starts

2120
02:08:31,400 --> 02:08:38,000
out with, you know, dad and his
wife and their two kids, sadly

2121
02:08:38,000 --> 02:08:43,300
the mom dies and, you know, Dad
he's like real sad.

2122
02:08:43,300 --> 02:08:47,400
So he's at, you know, They're of
few years.

2123
02:08:47,400 --> 02:08:49,800
He's like you know what, it's
not going to remarry.

2124
02:08:50,200 --> 02:08:57,600
So he remarries and the
stepmother that these kids get

2125
02:08:57,800 --> 02:09:04,100
she's very, very jealous of the,
the boy and the girl, okay?

2126
02:09:04,100 --> 02:09:09,000
The son and daughter because,
you know, the dad loves them and

2127
02:09:09,000 --> 02:09:12,000
she was like I should be is all
he would be loves right now.

2128
02:09:12,000 --> 02:09:17,000
How dare you love anybody else?
So I mean that happens in real

2129
02:09:17,000 --> 02:09:23,100
life so I know it's terrible.
Um, when I might like almost

2130
02:09:23,100 --> 02:09:25,500
like messaging me, he was like
live messaging me.

2131
02:09:25,500 --> 02:09:28,700
This conversation, I overheard
in a bar where this girl was

2132
02:09:28,700 --> 02:09:33,500
trying to convince a guy to give
up his children for her and he

2133
02:09:33,500 --> 02:09:36,500
was just like I want to go over
there and talk to him and I'm

2134
02:09:36,500 --> 02:09:39,400
like either he's going to make
the right decision or he's not

2135
02:09:39,700 --> 02:09:43,700
but she crazy.
So sometimes you want to like

2136
02:09:43,700 --> 02:09:46,500
interviewing like yo bro, do you
are you listening to what she's

2137
02:09:46,500 --> 02:09:48,900
saying?
I'm like, there's nobody in this

2138
02:09:48,900 --> 02:09:52,400
world that would make me a
bandit like what?

2139
02:09:54,600 --> 02:09:59,400
No way.
So so stepmother evil stepmother

2140
02:09:59,400 --> 02:10:02,100
giving me Cinderella Vibes.
Yeah.

2141
02:10:02,200 --> 02:10:05,100
So she's you know, she's making
him do chores and stuff saying

2142
02:10:05,100 --> 02:10:07,100
that, they're not detroiters
that they're doing.

2143
02:10:07,400 --> 02:10:09,500
She like, she would tell me to
do chores and the kids would do

2144
02:10:09,500 --> 02:10:11,400
a perfectly.
But at the end of the day, she

2145
02:10:11,400 --> 02:10:14,600
would Go back to, you know,
their dad and like your children

2146
02:10:15,000 --> 02:10:17,900
suck at doing chores.
They don't know what the hell

2147
02:10:17,900 --> 02:10:20,500
they're doing.
They everything is a mess again.

2148
02:10:20,500 --> 02:10:24,600
Well well well and you know the
dead wood so I don't know why

2149
02:10:24,600 --> 02:10:31,900
but he somehow believed her and
he's like well okay what do we

2150
02:10:31,900 --> 02:10:34,700
do about the kids today?
And she's like I have a great

2151
02:10:34,700 --> 02:10:43,300
idea.
So at first at first You know,

2152
02:10:44,100 --> 02:10:47,300
she it's funny because the story
I read it was like you know she

2153
02:10:47,300 --> 02:10:51,300
calls to the kids and as soon as
like she gets his idea in her

2154
02:10:51,300 --> 02:10:53,400
head.
The story starts calling them

2155
02:10:53,500 --> 02:10:58,400
orphans as soon as she gets her
as soon as she gets his ideas.

2156
02:11:01,400 --> 02:11:03,500
No, no that's fine.
Okay.

2157
02:11:03,600 --> 02:11:07,900
Um, but I guess the bad dad, if
he let her do all that horrible.

2158
02:11:07,900 --> 02:11:14,600
Crap to though, I mean, here's a
big kids are bad at chores on

2159
02:11:14,600 --> 02:11:17,900
purpose.
I literally these kids were not

2160
02:11:17,900 --> 02:11:25,500
my friends kid and you can ask
This teenager to do something.

2161
02:11:26,000 --> 02:11:32,800
He'll do it.
Like 75% of the way she is.

2162
02:11:33,000 --> 02:11:38,000
Are, you know, just let it go.
Hmm.

2163
02:11:38,100 --> 02:11:41,100
So she could have been mad but
I've been like, okay, well

2164
02:11:41,100 --> 02:11:43,600
that's just children, get over
it lady.

2165
02:11:44,500 --> 02:11:48,500
Yeah.
So shows the stepmother, she's

2166
02:11:48,500 --> 02:11:53,100
like, all right, go to my
grandmother's house who lives in

2167
02:11:53,100 --> 02:11:57,600
the forest and you'll see, you
can tell where she lives, okay?

2168
02:11:57,600 --> 02:12:02,200
Because her Hut has chicken
feet.

2169
02:12:02,200 --> 02:12:05,400
Okay, okay, so we're talking
about like proper witchcraft.

2170
02:12:05,400 --> 02:12:07,500
Then Yeah.
Wow.

2171
02:12:09,900 --> 02:12:12,800
And you're going to live there.
You're going to do everything

2172
02:12:12,800 --> 02:12:14,900
that she wants to do.
And then she'll give you sweet

2173
02:12:14,900 --> 02:12:17,000
things to eat and you'll be
happy.

2174
02:12:17,000 --> 02:12:19,800
And you'll have to worry about
coming back home because I'll

2175
02:12:19,800 --> 02:12:22,800
take care of your dad.
And, you know, you don't have to

2176
02:12:22,808 --> 02:12:25,300
worry, you don't have to worry
about you, she'll take care of

2177
02:12:25,300 --> 02:12:25,900
you.
Okay?

2178
02:12:26,100 --> 02:12:30,400
That's what was going to happen.
And then, the kids are like,

2179
02:12:31,200 --> 02:12:36,900
okay I guess we got kicked out
of the house, so What do we do

2180
02:12:36,900 --> 02:12:39,800
now?
So the sister daughter and she's

2181
02:12:39,800 --> 02:12:44,100
like, you know what, let's go to
our grandmother's house real

2182
02:12:44,100 --> 02:12:48,500
quick, smart until so she goes
our grandmother's house and they

2183
02:12:48,500 --> 02:12:54,600
tell her what's going on and
she's like, oh no, no, that's

2184
02:12:54,800 --> 02:12:58,200
terrible.
You guys have a very, very, very

2185
02:12:58,200 --> 02:13:01,000
bad future.
Coming ahead of you because the

2186
02:13:01,000 --> 02:13:03,900
person you're like the house
you're headed to its this house

2187
02:13:03,900 --> 02:13:04,900
of Baba.
Yaga.

2188
02:13:04,900 --> 02:13:08,300
Wait wait.
Wait Grandma you you're supposed

2189
02:13:08,300 --> 02:13:13,100
to help me not let yeah, yeah,
yeah, you know, I was reading a

2190
02:13:13,108 --> 02:13:19,600
story and I said the same thing.
I was like, I can't know, the

2191
02:13:19,600 --> 02:13:22,400
grandma only got one room.
She got only got one bedroom.

2192
02:13:22,400 --> 02:13:32,800
I try to get my freak on.
I got to get my freak on things.

2193
02:13:32,800 --> 02:13:35,000
I never thought I would hear
come out of your mouth.

2194
02:13:35,700 --> 02:13:41,200
Oh my God, I'm in a mood today.
Okay, we both had a good day.

2195
02:13:42,800 --> 02:13:47,500
So she know she wants and she's
like, hey just here's what I'm

2196
02:13:47,500 --> 02:13:48,600
going to do.
I'm gonna give you some of these

2197
02:13:48,600 --> 02:13:53,300
things and you take it with you.
Just don't don't eat it though.

2198
02:13:53,900 --> 02:13:56,800
So she gave him like a big slice
of ham and like some milk and

2199
02:13:56,800 --> 02:13:58,700
drink.
So they, they drink their milk

2200
02:13:58,700 --> 02:14:00,000
of it.
You know, the boat, well blah,

2201
02:14:00,500 --> 02:14:05,200
and she gave them cookies too.
So, They get to the house is

2202
02:14:05,200 --> 02:14:07,000
Baba Yaga.
She meets him there.

2203
02:14:07,000 --> 02:14:10,300
And it's like they had to call
to the house because the house

2204
02:14:10,300 --> 02:14:12,600
is up, apparently, sentient as
well.

2205
02:14:12,900 --> 02:14:15,200
Cool.
So, yeah, they call it to the

2206
02:14:15,200 --> 02:14:17,100
housing like, hey, house, turn
around.

2207
02:14:17,100 --> 02:14:19,300
So you can get inside of you
because the house is like

2208
02:14:19,300 --> 02:14:21,800
facing.
I feel like if I have to sell

2209
02:14:21,800 --> 02:14:25,400
the house turn around, that's
like a very clear sign.

2210
02:14:25,500 --> 02:14:28,900
Don't go in the tradition
dealing with a witch.

2211
02:14:29,200 --> 02:14:32,100
Like, I'm just saying, you know,
there's some really cool stuff

2212
02:14:32,100 --> 02:14:35,300
like in Magic together, There's
like this cool card where

2213
02:14:35,300 --> 02:14:37,500
there's like a house.
That's like a monster.

2214
02:14:38,200 --> 02:14:43,100
I don't play the game but I like
the pictures and it's probably

2215
02:14:43,100 --> 02:14:47,000
based off of probably and it
looks very frightening and I

2216
02:14:47,000 --> 02:14:50,100
just feel like if you have to
ask permission to enter, you

2217
02:14:50,100 --> 02:14:54,400
shouldn't be there in this
sentient house that can eat you.

2218
02:14:55,600 --> 02:15:04,200
This is very true. so they may
meet a Baba Yaga she you know

2219
02:15:04,200 --> 02:15:07,400
she comes out and she like she
tells him she was like Hey I'm

2220
02:15:07,400 --> 02:15:12,500
gonna Actually kids are like,
hey are you know, certain mother

2221
02:15:12,500 --> 02:15:17,400
send us here like this serve you
so you guys you can feed us and

2222
02:15:17,400 --> 02:15:19,800
you know, because the stepmother
was barely feeding them.

2223
02:15:22,300 --> 02:15:24,000
And Bobby.
I was like, yeah.

2224
02:15:24,000 --> 02:15:26,600
Okay, that's fine.
Um, but hey, guess what?

2225
02:15:26,600 --> 02:15:29,700
If you don't do these chores,
exactly.

2226
02:15:29,700 --> 02:15:32,600
The way they need to be done, I
will eat you.

2227
02:15:33,900 --> 02:15:37,300
When people in chores in Russia,
this is it.

2228
02:15:37,700 --> 02:15:40,900
I mean it's not well to be fair.
My grandmother threatened me

2229
02:15:40,900 --> 02:15:46,100
with stories of skinwalkers.
So I mean, I guess it's just

2230
02:15:46,100 --> 02:15:49,400
part of history that in ancient
times.

2231
02:15:49,400 --> 02:15:54,100
We just frightened children with
stories of You're gonna die if

2232
02:15:54,100 --> 02:15:59,900
you don't do this thing.
Unfortunately, terrible

2233
02:16:00,200 --> 02:16:02,900
horrible.
Oh God.

2234
02:16:03,500 --> 02:16:08,500
So the kids are like okay I
guess this is some type of fare

2235
02:16:10,100 --> 02:16:12,400
so you know I started doing
chores with the chores or

2236
02:16:12,400 --> 02:16:16,000
difficult like there's I mean
there's simple tasks like, you

2237
02:16:16,008 --> 02:16:21,700
know, clean the tub or okay or
you know, you're sleeping and

2238
02:16:21,700 --> 02:16:24,300
stuff.
Like that and but they are

2239
02:16:24,300 --> 02:16:28,200
difficult to do because this is
a magical house and of course

2240
02:16:28,200 --> 02:16:33,400
you know some Chichi, she wants
to eat the kids.

2241
02:16:33,500 --> 02:16:37,799
So this would be is perfect.
This is a really cool story

2242
02:16:37,799 --> 02:16:41,500
actually.
So that helps the children to

2243
02:16:41,500 --> 02:16:46,700
help its Master ghetto a meal.
Yeah, basically.

2244
02:16:47,100 --> 02:16:51,400
So, yeah.
So the, which I guess you would

2245
02:16:51,400 --> 02:16:55,000
call them some Yours because
there are animals, they're rats.

2246
02:16:55,000 --> 02:16:57,299
They're mice in the house and
there's a cat in the house.

2247
02:16:57,600 --> 02:17:04,799
Well, but also her, I guess her
grounds are like scenting in the

2248
02:17:04,799 --> 02:17:08,900
live to like her trees are alive
and in the gate on our very

2249
02:17:08,900 --> 02:17:12,000
houses life.
Houseman Regal.

2250
02:17:13,000 --> 02:17:14,700
Yeah there you go.
There you go.

2251
02:17:15,500 --> 02:17:19,000
Oh yeah, there you go.
Yeah it's exactly like it can

2252
02:17:19,000 --> 02:17:27,299
tow up in here. so, The animals
like the mice were like, hey,

2253
02:17:27,299 --> 02:17:30,700
you know, what will help you out
because this this house is here

2254
02:17:30,700 --> 02:17:32,299
to trip.
You is a, here's your trick,

2255
02:17:32,299 --> 02:17:36,000
you, okay.
It's a trap house, not that kind

2256
02:17:36,000 --> 02:17:43,000
of track Pals and, you know, the
girl gives a nice cookies.

2257
02:17:43,000 --> 02:17:46,000
And then they give the birds
that are flying around her house

2258
02:17:46,000 --> 02:17:51,000
crumbs, and then they give them
hints on how to complete these

2259
02:17:51,000 --> 02:17:56,200
tasks.
And then, Talk to a cat like the

2260
02:17:56,200 --> 02:17:59,200
single black cat that's living
there and he's and he tells them

2261
02:17:59,200 --> 02:18:05,799
how to like get to get away from
Baba Yaga and she comes home

2262
02:18:05,799 --> 02:18:09,700
that night and she's like who so
you don't get yours, great.

2263
02:18:09,799 --> 02:18:12,500
Guess what?
You'll have even difficult, even

2264
02:18:12,500 --> 02:18:16,100
more difficult for is tomorrow
and if you don't get them done,

2265
02:18:16,100 --> 02:18:17,100
guess what?
That's right.

2266
02:18:17,100 --> 02:18:24,900
I'm going to eat you.
Um, Okay, so doing what the cat

2267
02:18:24,900 --> 02:18:29,500
said to get away from Baba Yaga,
the kids run away that night and

2268
02:18:30,500 --> 02:18:35,000
like they have to they have to
like get past like some trees

2269
02:18:35,000 --> 02:18:37,700
that are trying to attack them.
They try to get past like this,

2270
02:18:37,700 --> 02:18:43,400
Rusty Gate, that would have
woken Baba, Yaga whenever like,

2271
02:18:43,500 --> 02:18:46,600
or a learn, learn Baba Yaga or
some shit like that.

2272
02:18:48,600 --> 02:18:51,200
And they like, they're very kind
to these things that are trying

2273
02:18:51,200 --> 02:18:54,299
to attack them and kill them.
And When Baba Yaga comes home,

2274
02:18:54,299 --> 02:18:56,799
she's like, yo, why did you guys
stop them?

2275
02:18:56,799 --> 02:18:59,600
And they're like, because they
were nice to us.

2276
02:18:59,600 --> 02:19:04,400
They actually cared about this
and you you created us and guess

2277
02:19:04,400 --> 02:19:06,200
what?
You've been asshole to us this

2278
02:19:06,200 --> 02:19:08,799
whole time and you have not
taken care of us.

2279
02:19:08,799 --> 02:19:12,400
You just let us rusting.
Let me like not be pretty as a

2280
02:19:12,407 --> 02:19:16,400
tree and stuff like that.
And you never gave the cat food,

2281
02:19:16,600 --> 02:19:21,100
like it was there just like and
she's like Fuck.

2282
02:19:21,100 --> 02:19:26,100
Okay, well that's all me.
I I guess, absolutely, my bad.

2283
02:19:28,200 --> 02:19:32,900
So she goes and chases after the
kids and she can never find it

2284
02:19:32,907 --> 02:19:35,700
because of something the cat
told him, dude, I guess it was

2285
02:19:36,400 --> 02:19:41,200
drop a towel.
And there will be, there will be

2286
02:19:41,200 --> 02:19:47,400
a river like a towel in a river
will appear what a tell is

2287
02:19:47,400 --> 02:19:51,100
dropped and also drop a comb
behind you if you her coming

2288
02:19:51,300 --> 02:19:56,000
closer to you and then a deep
dark Forest will Sprout up out

2289
02:19:56,000 --> 02:19:58,300
of the ground and she won't be
able to pass through there.

2290
02:19:58,900 --> 02:20:00,600
So they did all the stuff.
She couldn't find them.

2291
02:20:00,600 --> 02:20:02,400
She got pissed off.
So she went home and she like,

2292
02:20:02,400 --> 02:20:11,300
Fuck this, I'm going home. so,
after that, The kids went home

2293
02:20:11,500 --> 02:20:18,400
back to their dad so better than
liking it so far.

2294
02:20:19,100 --> 02:20:20,600
Yeah.
Because we're going back to her

2295
02:20:20,600 --> 02:20:25,000
dad and you know, they told him
like, yo, dad, why'd you let her

2296
02:20:25,000 --> 02:20:28,500
do this to us?
And he's like, must have been

2297
02:20:28,500 --> 02:20:33,500
blinded by love or some shit
like that and then he sent, you

2298
02:20:33,500 --> 02:20:36,600
know, stepmother away in and,
you know, they live happy to

2299
02:20:36,600 --> 02:20:40,700
happily ever after the yet.
Yeah, that's a town Fabia.

2300
02:20:40,700 --> 02:20:43,800
That was that's one of the Tails
of her.

2301
02:20:45,800 --> 02:20:52,200
And the children.
Now there are other tales about

2302
02:20:52,200 --> 02:20:59,500
her and her description kind of
changes a little bit, not a lot,

2303
02:20:59,900 --> 02:21:07,400
but so one thing that stays
constant is that her house is a

2304
02:21:07,600 --> 02:21:15,100
hut that is deep in the woods
and it's very sentient and it

2305
02:21:15,300 --> 02:21:18,700
Does have chicken legs growing
out of the bottom of it so it's

2306
02:21:18,700 --> 02:21:20,100
like, I don't like that part
though.

2307
02:21:20,900 --> 02:21:24,600
It's a chicken house.
It's a house.

2308
02:21:24,600 --> 02:21:26,600
Not should not a fan of that
part.

2309
02:21:28,700 --> 02:21:30,400
That's what they like is when I
saw it.

2310
02:21:30,400 --> 02:21:36,000
I was like it's just chicken is
a chicken house, that's gross.

2311
02:21:38,100 --> 02:21:47,100
Yeah. but um, like I said, she
she Is not only like a child

2312
02:21:47,100 --> 02:21:52,900
eating, oh cannibal which show
actually she'll help people out

2313
02:21:52,900 --> 02:21:57,500
as well if they do some trials
for her and, you know, they're

2314
02:21:57,500 --> 02:22:01,400
getting done right way and she
will show, you know, Grant your

2315
02:22:01,400 --> 02:22:03,500
wishes or whatever the fuck you
want from her.

2316
02:22:05,600 --> 02:22:08,000
Oh no babies.
Don't do that.

2317
02:22:08,000 --> 02:22:13,000
Just don't make deals with any
sort of entity.

2318
02:22:14,600 --> 02:22:22,600
Hey ghosts demons which it like
listen, especially not a gin.

2319
02:22:23,900 --> 02:22:29,900
If I just know I'm not going to
my personal anyway just don't,

2320
02:22:29,900 --> 02:22:33,300
don't do it, don't do it, don't
do it.

2321
02:22:33,600 --> 02:22:38,300
I won't accidentally.
So anime whole lives away.

2322
02:22:38,300 --> 02:22:50,900
Whoops, It's a funny.
So their tails that she that in

2323
02:22:50,900 --> 02:22:54,700
the force, she rides around on
like a giant mortar, and she

2324
02:22:54,700 --> 02:22:57,600
uses a pestle to grind up the
bones of the people.

2325
02:22:57,600 --> 02:23:04,500
She eats makes sense.
So she she rides I guess it's

2326
02:23:04,500 --> 02:23:07,900
like it's not a sentient mortar
but she somehow makes it like a

2327
02:23:07,900 --> 02:23:12,100
move.
Yeah, she's magic.

2328
02:23:12,600 --> 02:23:13,100
Yes.
Yeah.

2329
02:23:13,100 --> 02:23:18,600
Which Powers?
Yeah, no, that's a Harry Potter

2330
02:23:18,600 --> 02:23:23,200
type crap.
Okay, we do have a broom.

2331
02:23:23,200 --> 02:23:27,400
So we are following some of the
which Mythos, yeah, but she

2332
02:23:27,400 --> 02:23:30,700
doesn't really right around
sometimes but some and Other

2333
02:23:30,700 --> 02:23:33,500
Stories she does ride on and use
it to her.

2334
02:23:33,700 --> 02:23:39,000
People.
He okay so she she uses a broom

2335
02:23:40,000 --> 02:23:43,800
when she's riding around on the
mortar to sweep away her Trail.

2336
02:23:43,800 --> 02:23:47,900
So nobody knows which way she's
gone because they definitely not

2337
02:23:47,900 --> 02:23:52,200
going to remember the way this
lady like flew off.

2338
02:23:52,200 --> 02:23:54,500
No, it's cute though, that's
cute.

2339
02:23:54,500 --> 02:23:56,300
That's kind of like it's
adorable.

2340
02:23:56,300 --> 02:24:00,600
Like There's no way you're going
to remember the fact that you

2341
02:24:00,600 --> 02:24:05,400
just saw me steal a child.
So I'm gonna sweep sweep sweep,

2342
02:24:05,400 --> 02:24:07,700
sweep the Dust Away.
Oops.

2343
02:24:07,700 --> 02:24:10,600
It's all gone.
Now, that's kind of adorable.

2344
02:24:13,600 --> 02:24:16,800
Yeah, and then she then she
another story.

2345
02:24:16,800 --> 02:24:18,300
She does fly around on her
broom.

2346
02:24:18,400 --> 02:24:21,400
Okay.
Apparently, she has the power to

2347
02:24:21,400 --> 02:24:25,500
like remove her heart.
Her hands from her body to make

2348
02:24:25,500 --> 02:24:29,200
them like Idle Hands.
And like Go run around and do

2349
02:24:29,200 --> 02:24:32,000
her bidding.
Oh, wow.

2350
02:24:32,000 --> 02:24:36,500
There's so much stuff in this
story that I am feeling like

2351
02:24:36,500 --> 02:24:41,100
the, like, they just borrowed
from this and made other stuff.

2352
02:24:41,800 --> 02:24:44,500
Everybody likes a word from.
They just literally a movie

2353
02:24:44,500 --> 02:24:48,900
called Idle Hands.
Yes, about yeah.

2354
02:24:48,900 --> 02:24:52,300
Obviously a phantom hand that is
up to no good.

2355
02:24:53,000 --> 02:24:54,700
Yeah.
Possessed by the devil.

2356
02:24:54,900 --> 02:24:56,300
It was some crazy like that.
Yeah.

2357
02:24:56,300 --> 02:24:58,300
It was a long time ago.
That was in the 90s.

2358
02:24:59,200 --> 02:25:00,400
Yes.
But yeah.

2359
02:25:00,400 --> 02:25:04,600
I mean and honestly the there's
I mean High insulin Gretel dates

2360
02:25:04,600 --> 02:25:07,900
back to what Grim, the Grimm
fairy tales?

2361
02:25:08,100 --> 02:25:11,100
What I mean, either everybody
was just, you know, having a

2362
02:25:11,100 --> 02:25:15,900
good time making mythology about
kids being eaten, or they were

2363
02:25:15,900 --> 02:25:19,200
kind of borrowing off of each
other, because we've got Hansel

2364
02:25:19,200 --> 02:25:23,300
and Gretel.
We've got Krampus.

2365
02:25:23,500 --> 02:25:27,000
Also eats children, Baba.
Yaga also each children.

2366
02:25:27,100 --> 02:25:32,000
I'm not This couple more from
Europe, um, that's funny that

2367
02:25:32,000 --> 02:25:34,700
you mention that, but yeah,
there's there's is another.

2368
02:25:35,800 --> 02:25:38,000
So I got this one off of
Wikipedia, okay?

2369
02:25:38,000 --> 02:25:44,600
It's, it's a, it's called a Yama
Yama, Uber and is from Japanese

2370
02:25:44,600 --> 02:25:47,500
folklore.
They also eat in children as

2371
02:25:48,100 --> 02:25:50,800
they.
It's just like Baba.

2372
02:25:50,800 --> 02:25:52,900
Yaga.
It's a crone that lives in the

2373
02:25:52,900 --> 02:26:00,900
mountains and she She has some
very cannibalistic Tendencies.

2374
02:26:03,300 --> 02:26:05,900
I will say this Baba, yaga's
working harder.

2375
02:26:05,900 --> 02:26:10,300
Not smarter, because the witch
in The Brothers, Grimm story,

2376
02:26:10,300 --> 02:26:13,700
just let them eat until they
were too fat to get up.

2377
02:26:14,500 --> 02:26:18,300
Yeah, and then a time she's like
y'all got to keep my house up

2378
02:26:18,300 --> 02:26:19,900
for me.
Yeah, they say it's like you

2379
02:26:19,900 --> 02:26:24,500
gotta clean or I'll let you if
you do it, right?

2380
02:26:24,500 --> 02:26:26,600
I'll let you go.
And I'm like, no, don't give

2381
02:26:26,600 --> 02:26:28,800
them options.
I mean if you're doing a

2382
02:26:28,800 --> 02:26:31,600
terrible thing, be solid with
that.

2383
02:26:34,000 --> 02:26:35,600
Yeah.
Yeah.

2384
02:26:38,000 --> 02:26:40,500
Baba Yaga.
She's um, she's a complicated

2385
02:26:40,500 --> 02:26:43,000
person.
Yeah, you know.

2386
02:26:44,700 --> 02:26:47,800
Um, but yeah, I do they want to
talk about the gamma mu because

2387
02:26:47,900 --> 02:26:53,700
she's so Not only was she just,
like, Bobby I go with the, you

2388
02:26:53,700 --> 02:26:55,700
know, Campbell in the stuff like
that.

2389
02:26:57,400 --> 02:27:01,500
Apparently is a tail.
As I read, this is the tell

2390
02:27:01,500 --> 02:27:05,200
about her.
I guess helping somebody in the

2391
02:27:05,200 --> 02:27:08,100
village.
Give birth, right?

2392
02:27:08,900 --> 02:27:12,800
And it was like in a mountain
hut and is you know, this lady.

2393
02:27:12,800 --> 02:27:15,400
She just stumbled upon there's
like I gotta giving birth to my

2394
02:27:15,400 --> 02:27:22,000
baby and the AMA Kuma Yama
hooba.

2395
02:27:22,500 --> 02:27:26,200
She, you know she was the skies
at like, you know, a kind old

2396
02:27:26,200 --> 02:27:31,200
lady.
So when You know, when she gave

2397
02:27:31,200 --> 02:27:36,300
birth when the woman gave birth
to the child, she realizes.

2398
02:27:36,300 --> 02:27:40,300
Oh my God this is gamma mu but
no no this is terrible.

2399
02:27:41,500 --> 02:27:46,100
And then she plans to eat the
the baby.

2400
02:27:46,100 --> 02:27:51,900
I guess that was birthed from
the Baton from the lady in one

2401
02:27:51,900 --> 02:27:57,400
story and then and Other Stories
she raises the baby as her own

2402
02:27:58,600 --> 02:28:02,600
And he becomes like a famous
warrior okay?

2403
02:28:02,600 --> 02:28:09,000
Which is yeah which is okay is
that all right?

2404
02:28:09,400 --> 02:28:11,800
I was reading it.
I was like oh I mean I so got a

2405
02:28:11,800 --> 02:28:21,500
child eater child stealer both
both So, a little bit Baba, Yaga

2406
02:28:21,500 --> 02:28:25,800
and a little bit Sleeping
Beauty, not sleeping beauty.

2407
02:28:25,800 --> 02:28:29,900
I'm the one with the long hair
Rapunzel, a little Bobby Yonder,

2408
02:28:29,900 --> 02:28:31,800
a little Rapunzel.
Like, you know, because she

2409
02:28:31,800 --> 02:28:34,600
stole that baby in capturing at
our whole life.

2410
02:28:35,300 --> 02:28:37,600
Yeah, this is very true.
My God.

2411
02:28:37,700 --> 02:28:39,000
They all overlap.
Yeah.

2412
02:28:41,300 --> 02:28:46,200
But yeah, it's funny because I
saw like references to this Yama

2413
02:28:46,300 --> 02:28:53,300
Uber.
And I guess the, what do you

2414
02:28:53,308 --> 02:28:54,000
call it?
I don't know.

2415
02:28:54,600 --> 02:28:59,400
You know, Jinx from Pokemon
apparently is based off of that.

2416
02:29:00,400 --> 02:29:02,400
Yeah, MOBA.
Yeah.

2417
02:29:02,400 --> 02:29:06,600
There's so many and I was like,
oh that's awesome.

2418
02:29:06,700 --> 02:29:10,200
Yeah, no, I can do a whole thing
about Pokemon based off of late.

2419
02:29:10,200 --> 02:29:13,300
Japanese folk.
Oh, that was the one that years

2420
02:29:13,300 --> 02:29:16,200
ago, people thought looked kind
of blackface E.

2421
02:29:16,200 --> 02:29:20,300
I forgot about Jake's, well, it
had her, they did have her

2422
02:29:20,600 --> 02:29:24,100
Blackwell not, because she's
purple bit, you know, she's

2423
02:29:24,100 --> 02:29:26,800
purple.
And yeah, well, it's good to

2424
02:29:26,800 --> 02:29:29,500
know that the Aces was just a
young moo.

2425
02:29:30,700 --> 02:29:35,500
Yeah, this is true.
But yeah, it's funny because

2426
02:29:35,500 --> 02:29:40,400
like all these all these stories
and I understand it because I'm

2427
02:29:40,400 --> 02:29:46,600
looking at a traditional photo
of the yamuna and she does have

2428
02:29:46,600 --> 02:29:49,100
giant white hair like yellow
hair.

2429
02:29:49,900 --> 02:29:52,000
Yep.
And like Big Clip now, the

2430
02:29:52,000 --> 02:29:55,400
outfits all wrong for the
Pokemon but she's like big gowns

2431
02:29:55,400 --> 02:30:00,000
and them looking at like a
performance and someone wishes

2432
02:30:00,400 --> 02:30:04,800
Mask and a big wig and like even
at like the drawings of her from

2433
02:30:04,800 --> 02:30:10,300
like older, she is a more Brown
like a Browner skinned Japanese

2434
02:30:10,300 --> 02:30:13,500
person.
Yep, it's hard to say brown skin

2435
02:30:13,500 --> 02:30:16,700
because it's not the same as
like black people, but it is a

2436
02:30:16,700 --> 02:30:20,800
darker complexion than average
that they they draw here as

2437
02:30:21,800 --> 02:30:24,500
Yeah.
It's just, I don't know.

2438
02:30:24,500 --> 02:30:28,400
I find it interesting.
How all these other stories can

2439
02:30:28,400 --> 02:30:31,700
maybe Sprout from just one
single story to hell?

2440
02:30:31,700 --> 02:30:34,000
All these these elements in
them?

2441
02:30:34,000 --> 02:30:36,200
You know what I mean?
Like, well we don't want to take

2442
02:30:36,200 --> 02:30:41,300
everything out of here but evil
stepmother check doing chores

2443
02:30:41,300 --> 02:30:44,800
all the time.
Check Dad's dad's gone.

2444
02:30:44,800 --> 02:30:45,400
Check.
Yep.

2445
02:30:45,400 --> 02:30:50,000
Cinderella which living in the
woods.

2446
02:30:50,300 --> 02:30:53,000
Check, that's all of them.
She's always in the woods.

2447
02:30:53,100 --> 02:31:01,600
Old Town children being stranded
by their parents in the woods to

2448
02:31:01,600 --> 02:31:05,300
for whatever reason, Hansel and
Gretel, right?

2449
02:31:05,300 --> 02:31:08,000
It's it's no, I think Hansel and
Gretel.

2450
02:31:08,000 --> 02:31:10,800
They were like Jews out being
gluttonous.

2451
02:31:11,500 --> 02:31:15,400
Well, there's no, no, no.
There's other Tales.

2452
02:31:15,400 --> 02:31:17,600
I think if you look at the grip,
if you read the Grimm was, it's

2453
02:31:17,600 --> 02:31:20,500
very different than Americanized
version, but the definitely the

2454
02:31:20,500 --> 02:31:24,500
story and the Americanized
version is Stop being so much.

2455
02:31:25,000 --> 02:31:27,200
That's you basically much like
three children.

2456
02:31:27,200 --> 02:31:30,600
Yeah.
And they but followed they left

2457
02:31:30,600 --> 02:31:34,500
a trail of breadcrumbs, right?
And then they got to her house

2458
02:31:34,500 --> 02:31:38,700
and like Heathens.
They just start eating her

2459
02:31:38,700 --> 02:31:41,700
house.
How dare you?

2460
02:31:41,700 --> 02:31:46,400
Just eat my home?
Yeah, but I think in the real

2461
02:31:46,400 --> 02:31:49,200
story their parents left him in
the woods because they couldn't,

2462
02:31:49,200 --> 02:31:53,000
I think they yeah I think their
parents abandon them, but still

2463
02:31:53,000 --> 02:31:55,600
they they were hungry so they
just ate the first thing they

2464
02:31:55,600 --> 02:31:59,000
saw.
But then they didn't stop, you

2465
02:31:59,000 --> 02:32:03,100
know, they kept going and going
into which is like, oh well you

2466
02:32:03,100 --> 02:32:05,800
want to eat.
Haha, I'll fatten you up real

2467
02:32:05,800 --> 02:32:08,000
quick.
You go here, shove this in your

2468
02:32:08,000 --> 02:32:10,600
mouth and they're like we want
to go home.

2469
02:32:10,600 --> 02:32:15,400
And there is no home is no home.
Got it yet.

2470
02:32:15,400 --> 02:32:17,700
I forget how that story ended
in.

2471
02:32:17,800 --> 02:32:20,500
If they went back to, I'm pretty
sure they died in the original

2472
02:32:20,500 --> 02:32:23,900
because in all the Grimm Fairy
Tales, the kid always dies,

2473
02:32:26,100 --> 02:32:28,200
Princess.
And the Pea, not a p.

2474
02:32:28,200 --> 02:32:30,400
It was a knife.
She got stabbed.

2475
02:32:30,700 --> 02:32:36,900
Hey, Like the Grim stories are
always.

2476
02:32:37,300 --> 02:32:39,600
If you do this thing, you will
die.

2477
02:32:39,600 --> 02:32:42,700
Here's an example of you doing
the thing and died.

2478
02:32:42,700 --> 02:32:44,600
They've died.
Hey yeah.

2479
02:32:44,600 --> 02:32:48,500
That's like solid the G,
original fairy tales like there

2480
02:32:48,500 --> 02:32:52,500
was no Happy Endings.
Then we like Disney fide them

2481
02:32:52,700 --> 02:32:56,000
and they got weird.
And then from the disneyfication

2482
02:32:56,200 --> 02:32:59,000
they changed again because
people didn't like the Happy

2483
02:32:59,000 --> 02:33:01,500
Endings.
Right?

2484
02:33:01,600 --> 02:33:03,300
Yeah, they made them into adult
movies.

2485
02:33:03,300 --> 02:33:04,100
Then.
Yeah.

2486
02:33:04,400 --> 02:33:05,900
Jimmy rated R movies.
Yeah.

2487
02:33:05,900 --> 02:33:09,100
There was a grim horror movie.
Yeah.

2488
02:33:10,100 --> 02:33:18,400
So it's yeah.
That's what I got today.

2489
02:33:20,000 --> 02:33:24,800
Yeah, yeah.
Put a smile on my face.

2490
02:33:24,900 --> 02:33:26,500
Everybody.
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2491
02:33:26,800 --> 02:33:30,400
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2492
02:33:30,500 --> 02:33:36,800
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2493
02:33:36,800 --> 02:33:40,300
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2494
02:33:40,300 --> 02:33:43,000
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2495
02:33:43,000 --> 02:33:45,900
So sad.
Yeah, if you guys are listening

2496
02:33:45,900 --> 02:33:49,400
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2497
02:33:49,400 --> 02:33:52,700
Like three more days.
Yeah. 30th two more days.

2498
02:33:53,100 --> 02:33:53,500
Yeah.
Yeah.

2499
02:33:53,500 --> 02:33:55,100
Two more days to get it.
Oh God.

2500
02:33:55,400 --> 02:33:57,700
Hurry up times.
I thank you so much for

2501
02:33:57,700 --> 02:33:59,800
listening.
And we'll see you next week.

2502
02:34:00,700 --> 02:34:01,100
Bye.