Episode 19. Andrea Yates: Strangely Sympathetic and Local Legends

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Hey everybody.
Its serial killer country.

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My name is Brittany.
Ransom, my name is Brian jr.

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And this is what Killers get
caught.

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A podcast devoted to deep dives
into the lives and psyches The

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Killers.
We love to learn about each

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week, Brian.
And I find a True Crime Story

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that resonated with us and then
I discussed one, well-known or

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lesser known killer, I go deeper
into their childhood lives

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methodology, and most
importantly how and why they got

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caught and then we get a little
spooky, we learned something

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about Cryptids or the
supernatural.

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Keep it kind of light after the
lately very depressing stories

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that I've been talking about
Yes.

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Yeah, that's really the general
consistency of things lately and

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it's not going to change
tonight.

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If you've clicked on this
podcast, you already know what

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this is about.
Yeah, we're sorry.

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Yeah, it's it's heavy but uh I
guess there's sort of a

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reasoning that goes along with
it.

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I don't don't you dare.
Don't you dare that's have a

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greater conversational situation
but before we even get into the

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subject of tonight's podcast,
let's instead talk about this

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week in True Crime.
Something really cool was not

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cool.
It's such a weird thing when

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stuff like this happens So, I
don't know if you know who Fred

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and rosemary West are Brian.
No, I did, Kanye West's parents

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and now they were a killer
couple from the UK who were

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particularly horrible to young
girls, including some of their

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own children.
But in the 1960s, there was a

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girl who suspected of being one
of their victims and she has

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been missing since 68 and
they've never been able to find

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it Fred West, they think that
Fred Killed her because he also

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did some gross stuff separate
from his wife sometimes they

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work together.
Sometimes I work separate very

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of course, Ian Brady Myra.
Hey yeah.

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Funny enough the to both Myra
and rosemary were in the same

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prison.
And there were rumors that they

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were well robbers.
Yeah, yeah.

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And also enemies.
So yeah, this is the same woman.

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Well, police Nice.
Okay, so it's it's the city in

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Gloucester, Gloucester
Gloucester UK and they think

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that they have found the bones
of one of his victims.

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Okay.
Who has been missing since 1968

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like all his victims were young
women?

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They both had very weird
fixations on brutalizing women

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in many different ways Rape
torture bondage, you name it.

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They were typically buried in
the cellar of their home and

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Glock is Stir which that was
referred to in the media.

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As like the House of Horrors.
They were charged in 1994 and

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Fred hung himself while he was
in prison in 1995, to avoid

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being charged with the nine
women who were discovered on

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their property.
Of course.

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Yeah.
But yeah.

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So that's the news that's like
This is today.

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So they're thinking it might be
her body.

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They think it might be her body
May 17 21 like this is happening

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this week.
Nice.

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This is like pipe quite
possibly.

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I'm like the first time but
yeah.

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They have some
ground-penetrating cameras and

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they appear to have discovered
this like dark blue material

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that they think matched the coat
of her name was Mary bastogne.

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She was 15 when she went
missing.

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Oh, and yeah.
This is 39.

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Well, it's this comes days after
this, like police force of like

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39, different cops, led by a
team of archaeologists began.

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Analyzing the basement of a cafe
and God caster, which is about

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half a mile from the West's
house.

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And essentially, Like West
worked there when it was being

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built.
So they think that he might have

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stored that's at this point.
They're like, well, maybe some

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of the bodies, we haven't been
able to find from him, are ones

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that he might have buried at
some of the locations where he

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worked right when he was a
builder.

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And that's not exactly something
crazy.

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Because there was a man in
California who they think buried

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bodies under highways, that he
worked on in the 70s and That

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California has discussed the
idea of trying to find those

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bodies but also that the costs
but is so prohibitive that they

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might just leave them there.
So, I mean, this isn't entirely

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in heard of, but yeah, they had
cameras that have seen like a

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navy blue coat that she was
wearing and they definitely

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think that they're seeing human
bones there.

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So I mean, they're at this
point.

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Now they're going to be looking
at doing like a major excavation

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right?
Yeah.

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But yeah.
And of course, his wife is

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still, of course, in jail.
Yeah.

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She's she's only 67.
So she got plenty of years to be

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in prison and be dealing with
the crimes that she committed

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and yeah, that's good.
But yeah, it's like I was really

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excited when that popped up on
my feet today I was like oh crap

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Serial killer do is we have it
had some new serial, killer news

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and months.
It's gonna be on every podcast

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that any of you listen to this
week.

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That's how like hype most of us
are going to be about But what

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did you come across this week?
Okay, let me ask you a question.

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Sure.
So for example, How would, how

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would you go about getting
followers or you have followers

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on your Tick?
Tock, like, if like, if you had

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to go out and like, I don't
know, like, if you were like low

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on views and follows, how would
you Brittany?

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Go out and find followers for
Tick-Tock.

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I, I wouldn't go out and invite
Tic-Tac followers because I

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would be, I'm strangely shy in
person.

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You don't say so, The only thing
I know how to do is what I do

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right now which is make daily
content and hope hope somebody

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likes it.
Okay?

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Okay.
Well, there is a woman in

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Florida, Miami who posed as a
student to promote her Instagram

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page.
If you ain't saw this, somebody

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posted this on Twitter and it
showed up in our feet of like

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People who we follow on Twitter,
like one of those crime news

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aggregate blog thing.
Yeah, I didn't click on it.

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Please tell me more about this
lady.

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All right.
So apparently she's 28 years old

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and she wanted to promote her
Instagram page and she attempted

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to blend in with students at a
Miami area high school.

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Wasn't there?
A Drew Barrymore movie where she

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went back to the high school?
Yeah she was a reporter was

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reporter.
Yeah but still and everything

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kiss.
We're having right?

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Right.
That's it.

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That's get something like that,
done.

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Like that with this.
Good enough?

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Yeah.
But yeah, this happened.

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I guess, I last Monday.
Wow, so yeah, sure.

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It landed her in jail.
So she's facing charges of

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burglary and it fearing with a
school function and resisting

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arrest without violence.
So let me read this.

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So she started hitting at her
name, is who I can't pronounce

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that last name.
Goodness gracious.

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Oh, it's her name is Audrey.
Francisco!

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Whitney.
Yeah, I'm going with that.

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Yes.
Uh-huh.

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So apparently she started
handing out pantless at you

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know, for her Instagram.
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You can't do that.
That's not how you.

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Yes, not cool.
Can you imagine being like, what

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is the equivalent of when we
were in high school of the

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person who hands Pamphlets about
their Instagram recruiters,

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these look like that.
It's even worse because that's a

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hey, sign up for potentially die
for college.

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Yeah, no I'm trying to think of
like what would have been

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equally as uncool as handing out
a pamphlet for your social

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media.
Oh, putting up flyers and I feel

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like, yeah.
A flyer for a party.

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Yeah.
At a high school.

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That would have been like
cringy.

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Let me tell you for like, we had
this one.

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Like and Senior year, right?
Okay.

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So seeing you here, I'm just
like comedian now.

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Okay, this is my Persona.
I've taken along because I'm

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funny as guy anyway, I think
you're funny.

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Oh, my one teacher, she
suggested that I like start an

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improv group of people.
So I put up flyers for like

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improv, okay.
That's different cause that's

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like a school function if our
school functions but can you

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imagine was like there's gonna
be a rager at Brian's house.

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Here's a flyer like Say those
kinds of words and no, no, I

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just pulled like a total like
80s phrase, out of nowhere.

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I'm not that old y'all.
We didn't have ragers but I'm

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just saying that's how the
equivalent of leg you you

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handing someone a flyer to come
to your party tomorrow?

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Yeah.
It feels awkward like like hey

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come to my party.
Hey come to my party.

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He's like listen you can come
don't tell anybody else and then

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of course everybody shows up
because no one could keep a

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secret in high school.
This is how that goes, yeah,

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sure trip.
But yeah, she snuck on the

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campus at 8:30 a.m. she had a
black backpack, and she carried

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a skateboard.
She walking the whole shoe

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recording herself as she was
doing this.

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She had a black backpack.
If she cares game for, she act

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like a total like I guess that's
what she taught high schoolers.

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I don't, how old is she 28 28?
Come on now.

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No, no, no.
Even when that cause that's only

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a couple years younger than Us
and like I don't nobody was

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wearing not even when we were
Highschool.

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No, nobody was you.
I mean okay.

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Skateboard.
Yes, very 90s.

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Like, okay, when we were in
school, people dress like

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skaters.
Yeah, but they didn't like skate

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through the hallways of the
school.

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That's very like movie 90s
movies Centric.

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But like, yeah, sure.
Like people wore like skater

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clothes, like, one of my
co-workers, got his like, very

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cool like skater Vibes.
Like, I'm like, this is

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obviously, like, who he is
outside of work and I'm a, you

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know, Bryant.
I'm a giant fruit Pop-Tart of a

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person.
This is Lisa.

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It like, you know, yet Lisa
Frank.

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These are frankly staff Rankin,
Miss frazil.

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That's really what I work with
as you so you know like we all

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have little bits of that like
from our high school identities,

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you do who we are now.
But like I don't think even

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people who were skateboarders
like Tony Hawk.

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He is a skateboarder, he's not
like oh let me walk through this

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area with my board on my arm
like it.

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But yeah.
So apparently let's see.

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What is this?
A school security tracked her

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down?
As she wandered hallways while

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students were in their
classrooms and she was heading

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towards the registration office
but she did not enter instead

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she continued walking through
the hallways talking to students

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news outlets reported.
So she never went to any

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classes.
No, no, of course not.

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You have to act like you're
actually in high school You're

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trying to act like you're in
high school. 28.

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Come on now.
I'm free.

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I mean she could probably like
at 18 years old.

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I need to I need to know what
she looks like.

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Now I don't think there's a
picture of her.

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I could have sworn.
It was a picture.

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Okay, not on this one.
I got this one off the

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Associated.
Press press.

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But as she kept walking security
officers, still try to catch up

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with her.
You know, that's bad.

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That's like it's terrible
because Like that's shorter.

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I don't know.
Like nowadays, you know, what?

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School shooters and stuff like
that.

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You can't just be like I have
like little logins.

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Exact, thanks to open doors,
like you can't just be walking

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in the schools like that.
Like, that's not okay.

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What'd she look like you could
give me a face.

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She looks like a mother of
three.

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Oh, come on.
Yeah, the guy high school

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student Advocate teenager.
Come on.

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Oh my god.
Listen and I get it.

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Hispanic and black people aged
very well.

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But, huh?
Honey, you look like you have at

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least one or two babies.
Yeah.

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Apparently the school system is
going through.

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They're going to be reviewing
how she got into the school.

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She got onto the property, you
know, and was able to evade

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security settings brand, they
don't they don't run.

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They just kind of jump my God.
It but yeah, it was just like

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it's hilarious.
And then finally authorities

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tracked, her down for her
Instagram page.

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Interested her of Monday last
Monday at her house.

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Oh man.
So she got away from the

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security officers in school but
she got she went home and then

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he found her anyway through her
Instagram that she.

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You know, she was trying to
promote.

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I want to see her Instagram.
I bet it's Wack.

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He kind of look up her face, I
don't know.

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I bet you if I pulled this up on
Reddit, somebody found her over.

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I think about it now she
probably has like a million

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followers.
I feel like she probably has a

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bunch of Of gems ears and her
comment roast in her.

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Yeah.
Probably.

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They just roast all of us.
I mean, that's like she did have

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a side part though.
Oh she does see we have a side.

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Part was a side parting.
No, it was.

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My parts are bad and so are
skinny jeans.

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Damn her damn Millennials.
Then our what you gonna do?

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Let us live our lives.
I'm good.

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That's a thing.
People are like, I'm like, this

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is our I hate to say and that
situation that happened with

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Millennials versus Zoomers.
It was people were like side

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parts of skinny jeans.
I'm like, this seems like a

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thing that like, I hate to say
it this way, but it seems like a

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thing that like, the white
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amongst like, the minority
community.

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No one's like trash talking like
Zoomers.

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Know, we're more.
Like, I like your style.

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Pretty cool.
Yeah, your hair's dope like you

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didn't he like it's all very
like Good Vibes in our

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community.
I don't know why.

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I like all the white Zoomers and
Millennials are fighting right

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now.
Y'all need to stop.

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Oh no.
I know.

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I know those gen Z kids.
They do love my hair now so you

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have magnificent hair.
I do have wonderful beautiful

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It's a dollar to touch by the

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That's right, no paid a mick.

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horrible story, you talking
about, it's not okay there's

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just a little bit of
horribleness which is, you know,

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the whole parent killing their
children aspect.

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But so this happened when I was
probably this would have been

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before I started High School.
Okay.

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This sort of been like spring of
a, the grade for me, you say I

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you mean we don't know.
I wasn't sure if I could

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remember.
I was like technically a year

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ahead.
And because I have a late

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birthday.
Dear me?

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Yes.
Yes.

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It's a year of school but we're
like Danny of the same age.

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Yeah, but yeah.
So I'm just going to, I'm going

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to set a stage And I'll go into
more about these people.

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Okay?
So it was approximately 10 a.m.

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June 20th 2001, A Man, by the
name of Rusty Gates.

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Gets a phone call from his wife,
he'd only been at work for about

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an hour.
She just said, you need to come

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home confused.
He was just like what's going on

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and she's like, you need to come
home, it's time, I did it.

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He knew that she'd been
struggling recently and dealing

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with her depression and so he
asked her again, what's wrong?

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And she said it's the children.
And the NASA engineer realized

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something was very wrong.
And he said, which one and which

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Andrea Yates responded?
All of them.

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Oh, when he reached his house,
15 minutes later, they were

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ambulances.
And police cars at his home in

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Houston, Texas.
A Time article said that when he

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wasn't allowed into the house,
he went to the back door and

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screamed.
How could you do this?

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Collapse in the yard and the
fetal position pounding, the

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ground as his wife.
Andrea Yates was led away in

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handcuffs today.
I am discussing a crime.

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Like I said, I didn't happen
that long ago for both you and I

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the case surrounding Andrea
Gates and the murder of her five

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children on June 20th, 2001.
It was a bit of a landmark case

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and trial surrounding the
discussion of real.

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Mental health issues for mothers
in a state known to Be very

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aggressive in handling it
handing out Capital sentences

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for murder but like every week
before I discuss the crime and

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inevitably the lengthy and
convoluted trial, let's just

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talk about Andrea Yates and who
she was before this day.

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I found her strangely
sympathetic and I didn't expect

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to you, okay?
I heard she's born Andrea Pia.

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Kennedy on July 2nd, 1964 and
Hallsville Texas.

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She was born to German immigrant
kuta, jutta, Karen Koller and

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Andrew and Mike.
Kennedy who is second generation

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Irish that you had five children
and Andrea was their youngest

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They were a devout Catholic
Family and Andrea was very

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active in church and Charities.
As a young child, she was

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incredibly considered to be
very, very smart.

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But her troubles with her mental
health began, rather Young Some

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people speculate that it's kind
of like what happens with a lot

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of teenagers.
You're very smart driven,

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super-active.
You feel this pressure to be

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perfect?
She was in like the National

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Honor Society.
She graduated from high school

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as for valedictorian and of
course, doing really knows when

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you're struggling with that.
Kind of stuff that behind that

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like perfect facade is somebody
who's struggling to look perfect

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and also be perfect.
Right?

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Right.
So she did struggle with both

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bulimia and depression and
actually was suicidal.

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When she was in high school, she
did not receive treatment for

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any of these issues while she
was a child and very much

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endured a lot. a lot of these
things in silence, I can't say

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that at that time in our history
that there would have been a

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whole lot of resources for her
either.

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No.
After High School, she applied

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to the University of Houston to
become a nurse, perhaps kind of

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free from some of that parental
stress.

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She didn't struggle as much with
her mental health in college.

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She finished her program and
just two years and accepted a

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job at the MD Anderson Cancer,
Center caring for cancer

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patients.
It was part of the medical

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facility, that was attached to
her school and she would work

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there her entire career as a
nurse from 1986 to 1994.

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As somebody who had really
serious body image issue, she

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didn't really date a whole lot
but she met her future, husband,

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Rusty Gates, and the summer of
1989, she was swimming at the

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pool in her apartment complex
and he saw her and liked her as

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many young men are want to do of
course.

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Yes, they move it together.
Fairly shortly after that, a

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couple months later, and Rusty.
Said that his name is Russell,

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but I will continue to call him
Rusty as they do.

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And all of the books that I read
on this, He said that she was

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always very uncomfortable being
naked around him, she would get

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dressed and undressed in the
closet and she never seemed to

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enjoy sex.
Some people say that this is due

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to her Catholic upbringing and
you know, extremely religious

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families can be very overbearing
when it comes to young women.

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Sexualities other people have
brought up that this could also

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be a symptom of mental illness.
That was also overlooked rather

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early in her.
I guess her young, adult life

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personally, I can't imagine
feeling very sexy when your

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boyfriend is into the religious
stuff that Rusty was in two.

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And I know I need to go into
this because Shapes who this

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woman becomes so Rusty.
Was a big follower of this

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preacher named Michael warneke
who was a traveling preacher.

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That was big into like the fire
and brimstone, you know?

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And of course like it's hard to
know with all the different

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preachers like this in the 80s
and 90s.

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Like this was a big deal for a
long time.

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They were like be on TV on
Sunday and those big mega

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churches.
Those kinds of people in the

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freaking, like, turd something.
Does mega church creators.

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I don't think we're in a key
created like a mega church but

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he did have the same kind of
fundamental most views.

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So Michael and Rusty met during
the 80s and the two started

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writing letters back and forth
to each other and they kind of

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became sort of religious
friends.

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And we're Nicky had some very
horrible views about women.

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He preached that women were evil
witches and they were born evil

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because of Eve that women
shouldn't educate themselves.

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They should never work outside
of the home and should never use

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birth control.
Wives should submit to their

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husbands fully.
And you know that old adage we

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were taught as kids, children
should be seen and not heard

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totally believe in that too.
Uh-huh.

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And if you needed to keep your
child silent.

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Absolutely.
You know what's that Fraser?

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You don't spare the rod spoil
the child.

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Yeah that that was part of his
ideology to.

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Yeah.
Opens.

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So Rusty comes into this
relationship with this intense

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fundamentalist, Christian Vibe
and introduces Andrea to it.

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And strangely enough, the two of
them spend like a lot of their

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free time just studying the
Bible and praying when they live

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together.
Rusty, was very serious about

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his religion, his relationship
with Andrea and so he actually

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introduced her to warneke
weirdly enough.

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We're in a key, gave them solid
advice and was like, you

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shouldn't get married quickly,
which was apparently, a lot of

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the advice he gave to young
couples, he met on college

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campuses, which is so wild
because I was, like, here's

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this, And with this horrible
crazy, like religious message,

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given actual dollops of good
advice here and there.

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Yeah, like know, when you are
22, you definitely probably

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shouldn't get married.
No, don't do it Andrea.

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And Rusty, did not take the
preachers advice and instead it

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got married.
Two years later.

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April 17th 1983.
Well doing it very quickly, they

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waited two years for them.
I think this was probably, as I

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They waited as long as they
possibly could, as long as they

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want, yeah, they're like this.
Give us some time, okay.

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Okay, you good.
Yeah, they were, like, you know,

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he's like, wait, longer they
were, like, no, we had this.

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We waited long enough to years
is long enough who enter our

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lives to be together.
Come on now.

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But, you know, what's so funny?
I went to a Catholic High School

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and I distinctly have a very
solid memory of one of my

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religion classes.
I think it was sophomore year

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for some reason.
My one religion teacher like

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went off on a rant about how you
shouldn't, just get married to

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have sex.
And one of the boys in my class

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raised his hand and he was just
like, then, why get married.

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Ha ha ha and mind you.
We were 15 and 16 years old.

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00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,500
So, of course, in a 15 and 16
roll brain, that makes sense.

456
00:26:52,700 --> 00:26:55,100
But I have a friend who's very
religious and she goes on like

457
00:26:55,100 --> 00:26:57,500
Christian Mingle and stuff.
And there are a lot of people

458
00:26:57,500 --> 00:27:01,300
with this mindset, like I just
have to get married so I can

459
00:27:01,300 --> 00:27:04,200
just start having sex.
Yeah, because it's not.

460
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,600
Okay for me to do it outside of
that.

461
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,900
So like maybe that was part.
Out of this to like why they

462
00:27:10,900 --> 00:27:13,500
were rushing and why he was
telling so many of his

463
00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:16,500
followers, like, don't rush into
this, they'll be plenty of time

464
00:27:16,500 --> 00:27:20,000
for you, do all the things you
want to do in your life and

465
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,200
then, you know, people are just
like, well, I can't do what I

466
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,700
want, ha ha ha, because God,
what was it?

467
00:27:24,708 --> 00:27:28,000
Let's be because, yeah, I'll be
a sinner and go to hell.

468
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,900
Oh, no.
Because like, they literally

469
00:27:29,900 --> 00:27:34,100
told their wedding guests that
they wanted as many babies as

470
00:27:34,100 --> 00:27:37,000
nature would allow season.
That's order thinking about,

471
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,700
that's all they were thinking of
give me.

472
00:27:39,100 --> 00:27:42,700
That's why I said that, of
course, now, married to Rusty,

473
00:27:42,700 --> 00:27:45,500
Andrea, quits her job as a
nurse, and she gets immediately

474
00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:49,700
pregnant with their son.
Noah, he was born February 1994

475
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:55,900
and almost immediately after his
birth, Andrea begins, having

476
00:27:55,900 --> 00:27:59,100
visions of knives and stabbing
her loved ones.

477
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:04,300
She also heard voices but she
kept this to herself, Down to

478
00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:07,600
one income, they have to move
from their nice four-bedroom

479
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:12,000
house in Houston to a trailer in
Seminole, Florida for a temp

480
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,600
job, that Rusty took and like
this is the, the not smartness

481
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,200
of this whole concept of the man
needs to be the provider.

482
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,300
Exactly.
I absolutely support the idea

483
00:28:22,300 --> 00:28:26,900
that a man as a provider.
If he's got the job to provide

484
00:28:26,900 --> 00:28:28,600
for this family.
Exactly.

485
00:28:28,700 --> 00:28:32,300
And I'm just like, you going to
make me, give up my job and now

486
00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:35,000
we broke.
This is terrible.

487
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,300
And as soon as you like it don't
have kids.

488
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:38,900
Thank you.
All right, you got all this

489
00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:40,500
money.
You got to spend on this now but

490
00:28:40,500 --> 00:28:43,200
either way.
Exactly, from four bedroom to a

491
00:28:43,208 --> 00:28:44,000
trailer.
Come on.

492
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,300
I mean it's nothing wrong.
Trailers at all because there's

493
00:28:46,300 --> 00:28:47,700
some nice.
That's a nice one.

494
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,800
Oh, hell yeah.
I know leopard trailers are

495
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:55,400
nicer than what I live in but
now I Like they move into this

496
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,500
really actually, from what I
understand the trailer was

497
00:28:57,500 --> 00:28:59,100
smaller than the apartment.
We are in right now.

498
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,700
Oh damn.
And this apartment is 410 square

499
00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:07,800
feet and it's a studio.
Oh, so the one that you're in

500
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,300
right now, we're yeah.
There's was 350.

501
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,400
That that trailer and she had
two more babies.

502
00:29:16,100 --> 00:29:17,700
No.
Yes, she did.

503
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,500
Two more sense.
I December of 1995.

504
00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:26,700
John was born, and then
September of 1887 Paul was born,

505
00:29:27,700 --> 00:29:33,300
so that's Mom.
A toddler.

506
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:39,500
A baby and a newborn and Dad and
an apartment smaller than where

507
00:29:39,500 --> 00:29:43,400
we are right now, they all sleep
in the same bed, I've had one

508
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,000
person, stay the night with me
over the like weekend here and

509
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,800
it's cramped.
Like you like one more than one

510
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,800
day and all of a sudden, I'm
like, you need to go home.

511
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,000
I just can't imagine two adults
and three kids in this space.

512
00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:02,700
No, just imagine having to sleep
in the same bed, kids kicking

513
00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:05,100
your ribs and your backing like
smacking you in the face when

514
00:30:05,100 --> 00:30:07,000
you're trying to sleep.
What I live with my sister, I

515
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,600
used to watch like we work
different shifts.

516
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,700
So I work during the day and she
worked at night and her son, I

517
00:30:13,700 --> 00:30:17,000
would like sleep, I would like
lay in bed next to him.

518
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,400
I could never sleep comfortably.
You want this baby next to me?

519
00:30:21,700 --> 00:30:24,100
I was convinced.
He was going to fall out the Ed.

520
00:30:24,100 --> 00:30:26,100
I was going roll over him and
kill him.

521
00:30:26,300 --> 00:30:28,300
Like something was going to
happen, that's bad.

522
00:30:28,300 --> 00:30:30,800
It was constantly me like
nodding off for a couple minutes

523
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,400
and then waking up and looking
at them.

524
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,600
And then fall back asleep and
waking up at looking.

525
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:42,400
It was the most unknown like
restful sleep of my life

526
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,700
watching.
This Nike six-month-old baby,

527
00:30:45,700 --> 00:30:48,700
they were hurt.
You believe me and he was hot,

528
00:30:48,700 --> 00:30:51,100
he's always hot.
I really have any would somehow

529
00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:53,000
may.
I should take up like half of a

530
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,000
full size bed.
Yeah, are so small.

531
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,300
What is wrong with you?
Yeah, that's what they do.

532
00:30:57,700 --> 00:31:04,000
But back on to Andrea and Rusty,
they kept up with the war in a

533
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,100
key family through letters and
videos.

534
00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:11,200
Um, and for some reason, Michael
Wernicke kept diagnosing Andrea

535
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,800
as evil and telling her that her
life was cursed.

536
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,000
I really couldn't find a reason
for this and like I went through

537
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,700
a lot of sources.
I've heard two different books

538
00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:24,900
for this but then you say you
said, well women are evil and he

539
00:31:24,900 --> 00:31:27,500
did say all women are even, but
like I felt like it was almost

540
00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:32,500
like Like personal. like I can
only imagine what kind of effect

541
00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:35,400
this must have been having on
Andrea because Michael is like

542
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,800
the leader of this little church
and he set himself up to be like

543
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,500
the voice of God and she's
getting constant messages from

544
00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:50,500
the voice of God saying that God
hates you like So, 98 the gates

545
00:31:50,500 --> 00:31:53,800
family visits the war in a keys
in Miami, because Michaels gonna

546
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,400
sell his motor home.
And by motor home, I mean, a

547
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,100
Greyhound bus that he converted
into a little apartment to

548
00:32:01,100 --> 00:32:03,200
travel across the country and
preach from.

549
00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:08,300
They stay there for about a week
and during that time, Michael

550
00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:13,800
and Rusty got into a fight in
another stunning bit of wisdom.

551
00:32:14,500 --> 00:32:18,100
Michael said that Rusty was
neglecting his family for his

552
00:32:18,300 --> 00:32:21,900
Year and sacrificing his wife
and children.

553
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,800
Hmm, Rusty.
Did not agree that leaving

554
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,000
Andrea with a newborn toddler
and preschool or every day in a

555
00:32:29,008 --> 00:32:30,700
tiny house.
Was it all bad?

556
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,900
No, not at all and Rusty.
Michael kind of stopped being

557
00:32:34,900 --> 00:32:39,200
friendly after this, russki
Rusty, like talked about this

558
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,200
later on and like said that they
like drifted apart, but it seems

559
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,600
like he wasn't open to even a
religious figure telling him

560
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,600
that he need to be a better
husband and father.

561
00:32:50,700 --> 00:32:52,700
Oh my God.
So you weren't trying to change.

562
00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:55,300
You just want to have kids and
just keep doing what you're

563
00:32:55,300 --> 00:32:57,700
doing.
Basically after they bought the

564
00:32:57,708 --> 00:33:02,100
mobile home, they moved back to
Houston to put it, simply Andrea

565
00:33:02,100 --> 00:33:06,400
was overwhelmed.
She had to home-school the

566
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,600
oldest boy.
Breastfeed keep a toddler

567
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:13,100
occupied feed.
Her family, wash cloth diapers

568
00:33:13,100 --> 00:33:15,900
to save money.
She was also caring for her own

569
00:33:15,900 --> 00:33:18,800
father who had Alzheimer's Oh
no.

570
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,600
Friends of their family of the
family.

571
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,000
Tried to tell Rusty.
This is too much for one person

572
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,600
to handle, but he wouldn't
listen and he was just like,

573
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,300
this is Andrews job as a wife
and a mother.

574
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,200
Well yeah, they were still
following the Wernicke's church

575
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,900
and Andrea was still receiving
guidance from them that she need

576
00:33:37,900 --> 00:33:41,200
to beat her children more often.
And that, like, normal child

577
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,600
behavior was disrespectful.
They also were consistently

578
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,000
telling her that like not
hitting her kids.

579
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,800
Was damning them to Hell.
Well then I guess my kids are

580
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:58,100
going to have right Andrea had
therefore child Luca February of

581
00:33:58,100 --> 00:34:01,700
1989.
When Luke was four months old

582
00:34:01,700 --> 00:34:06,000
and recalled Rusty and was just
like I can't take this when

583
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,199
Rusty got home.
She was sitting in the corner

584
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:11,600
like in an almost catatonic
State she'd been chewing on her

585
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,300
fingers for hours.
Rusty was like you know we

586
00:34:15,300 --> 00:34:18,000
should do we're gonna take a
nice family walk on the beach.

587
00:34:18,100 --> 00:34:21,900
Beach, that'll fix, you know and
um, seeing as Rusty's, not at

588
00:34:21,900 --> 00:34:24,100
all, a mental health,
professional the next day, she

589
00:34:24,100 --> 00:34:28,600
attempted to kill herself for
the first time she was admitted

590
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,500
to hospice.
She, I think she tried to use

591
00:34:30,500 --> 00:34:34,100
her father's medicine to have an
overdose.

592
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,400
She was admitted to a hospital
and prescribed antidepressants.

593
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,000
This was the first time in her
life that she was diagnosed with

594
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,500
major depressive disorder, the
whole Hospital wanted to hold

595
00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:48,000
her longer to see if the meds
were going to have some help.

596
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:53,100
But unfortunately, as anybody,
who has been on where they

597
00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:56,900
ssris, I think it's what their
official term is for them, but

598
00:34:56,900 --> 00:35:00,900
there are serotonin receptor
Inhibitors.

599
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:06,000
I think called ssris these take
weeks to take effect.

600
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,400
Oh, in fact, one of the things I
tell you, when you're on them

601
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,500
because I also have major
depressive disorder.

602
00:35:13,700 --> 00:35:16,900
They ask like my doctors would
ask, like, repeatedly are you

603
00:35:16,900 --> 00:35:20,200
feeling suicidal?
Here's why, because you're

604
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,100
inside a really dark place and
you get this medication and it

605
00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:24,700
starts working on your brain,
right?

606
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,300
But it takes such a long time to
pull you out and like

607
00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:31,000
essentially, like kind of give
your brain the serotonin that

608
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,800
it's needing, right?
That sometimes you only feel

609
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,300
like sort of good, you don't
feel like real good yet but you

610
00:35:39,300 --> 00:35:42,100
feel like good enough that if
you are suicidal you might

611
00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:45,100
decide to actually do it.
Oh yes.

612
00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:48,000
You've got enough motivation.
Now to hurt.

613
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,900
Yourself, but not enough
motivation to go to work or

614
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,200
clean.
Your house will be motivations

615
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,300
you not doing in this.
It's one of the things that is,

616
00:35:57,300 --> 00:36:00,700
it's part of the warnings.
So that repeatedly, they were

617
00:36:00,700 --> 00:36:03,400
like, you have more energy now,
don't you Brittany?

618
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,000
And I was like, yes, you're not
see, they were like constantly

619
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,300
checking with me, so then they
should have done here.

620
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:17,400
Because they sent her home
because her insurance didn't

621
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,200
cover any more inpatient days,
some of that's going to be a

622
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,400
consistent thing that pops up at
This Woman's life insurance.

623
00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:28,800
But her insurance limiting, the
amount of care she can access,

624
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,600
lovely.
She did briefly visit with

625
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,200
another doctor who put her on an
anti-psychotic drug.

626
00:36:37,700 --> 00:36:41,000
But the Warren Equis believe
that medicine and drugs were the

627
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,200
tool of the devil.
So she flushed them come on

628
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,300
before.
She could even really know

629
00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:49,300
whether this was going to help
her.

630
00:36:49,300 --> 00:36:53,200
Oh my God, things got worse for
Andrea.

631
00:36:53,300 --> 00:36:56,100
She was pulling out her hair and
clumps picking at her skin until

632
00:36:56,100 --> 00:36:58,400
it bled.
The voices that come back.

633
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,600
She'd stopped eating entirely
one night, Rusty came home from

634
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,700
work and he found Andrea holding
a knife to her throat and she

635
00:37:06,700 --> 00:37:09,900
was begging.
Being Rusty to let her and her

636
00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:13,600
life.
She was hospitalized again and

637
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:18,600
given an antipsychotic medicine
was called, like Haldol.

638
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,400
This is the one that had the
best effect on her.

639
00:37:22,900 --> 00:37:27,300
She approved immediately and
they said home friends.

640
00:37:27,300 --> 00:37:31,000
And family were like, this is
definitely the bus you living on

641
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,600
this stupid bus with four
children is causing trouble.

642
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,200
So Rusty bought a three-bedroom
house in clear Texas.

643
00:37:38,700 --> 00:37:41,500
And for a little bit of time,
Andrew was doing, all right.

644
00:37:41,500 --> 00:37:43,100
She was seeing a doctor
bi-weekly.

645
00:37:43,100 --> 00:37:46,100
She had a washer and dryer, she
was on good medication.

646
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:51,600
Yes, they are on the up-and-up
doctors work, couldn't they

647
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,600
were?
They thought that this was

648
00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:58,400
postpartum, depression, made
worse by her, major depressive

649
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,100
disorder, and the gates were
advised, they should either

650
00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:06,000
abstain, for set from sex, or
Andrea should stay on birth

651
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,400
control.
They did actually opted to

652
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:15,300
ignore the church and go on
birth control, right?

653
00:38:15,900 --> 00:38:17,500
But they didn't stick with this
very long.

654
00:38:17,700 --> 00:38:19,200
Yeah.
You know what would help?

655
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,500
What him?
Get a goddamn vasectomy.

656
00:38:24,100 --> 00:38:26,100
No.
Because remember they want

657
00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:30,200
babies but there's supposed to
be a controlled, get a goddamn

658
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,500
vasectomy.
You got enough kids already.

659
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,600
Nope not enough.
So one of the things we know now

660
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,000
is that women who Suffer from
postpartum already higher risk

661
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,200
of getting in again during
subsequent pregnancies and the

662
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:49,000
episodes tend to get worse each,
with each pregnancy, Andrea was

663
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,800
on the way to recovery, but
another birth would absolutely

664
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,400
destroy the progress.
She had made.

665
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,000
So they were advised.
You should stop having kids

666
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,400
right now.
Give it a couple years.

667
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,500
You're still pretty young, you
know, let Andrea get more

668
00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:05,500
stable.
Do you want to know how quickly

669
00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:07,400
they decided that they should
have another kid?

670
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,700
This is a week later.
Seven weeks.

671
00:39:10,700 --> 00:39:16,600
After she was discharged, God,
Rusty kind of looked at it.

672
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,300
Andrea's mental illness and
postpartum and the suicide

673
00:39:19,300 --> 00:39:22,700
attempts is like kind of like
her having the flu and that's

674
00:39:22,700 --> 00:39:25,100
literally a direct quote, just
like the flu.

675
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,400
Come on.
His thought was, if she relapses

676
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,300
has, we'll just go back to the
hospital and get new maps.

677
00:39:29,300 --> 00:39:30,900
No, that's not how it works,
though.

678
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,100
It's not how that works and
that's definitely something he

679
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,500
In realize which is that like
the kind of medications that

680
00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:39,500
she's on take a while to set in
and she's going to have to come

681
00:39:39,500 --> 00:39:44,200
off of them to get pregnant and
going off of these meds, very

682
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,700
quickly is very dangerous.
Yeah, I can imagine so yes, she

683
00:39:48,700 --> 00:39:50,800
stopped taking her medication,
seven weeks, after being

684
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,300
discharged from the hospital in
2000, and she had her fifth

685
00:39:54,300 --> 00:39:57,600
child Mary in November of 2000.
Oh, finally a girl.

686
00:39:59,500 --> 00:40:02,100
She, she actually seemed to be
doing, all right?

687
00:40:03,100 --> 00:40:05,600
Though there was like a weird
situation where she tried to

688
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:10,100
feed like a very young baby,
real food and the baby like

689
00:40:10,100 --> 00:40:13,000
start choking.
I don't know why she was doing

690
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,200
that but also like this is a
woman clearly in distress.

691
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,400
Yeah, but March 2001, Andrea's
father dies.

692
00:40:22,300 --> 00:40:25,400
She starts picking at her skin,
pulling out her hair again,

693
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,000
ignoring her own health for the
next few months.

694
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,200
She's in and out of psychiatric
facilities.

695
00:40:31,300 --> 00:40:34,200
On a revolving door of
medicines, trying to find the

696
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,800
right combination here.
Doctors, tell Rusty, do not

697
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,000
leave.
Andrea alone at all.

698
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,300
Something that Rusty ignored.
He arranged for his mother to

699
00:40:46,300 --> 00:40:49,900
come and watch the kids with
Andrea, but he still left her

700
00:40:49,900 --> 00:40:51,600
alone for small.
Bouts of time.

701
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,500
He thought that she would become
dependent on him and his mother

702
00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:59,600
for help with her wifely duties.
Dude, they told you not to leave

703
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:04,100
her alone for a reason April
2001.

704
00:41:04,100 --> 00:41:06,500
She began seeing a new doctor.
His name is dr.

705
00:41:06,500 --> 00:41:09,900
Mohammad Sayeed a month after
that.

706
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,600
May 3rd, 2001.
She regresses to almost a

707
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,900
catatonic State.
When afternoon Rusty's mom, her

708
00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:21,800
name is Dora Yates finds her.
She had filled the The bathtub

709
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:27,400
in the middle of the afternoon
and when Dora was like, what's

710
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,200
the bathtub for?
She is just like I just wanted

711
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,500
to of course later on Andrea
would say that that was enough,

712
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,000
that was a day that she had
intended on killing the children

713
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:43,100
but she changed her mind.
She and tell her children that

714
00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:44,600
at all.
I shouldn't tell the doctors at

715
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,200
it.
Of course, of course she was

716
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,400
hospitalized.
Again, the next day, the

717
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,800
psychiatrist there are met for
thought she was suicidal and

718
00:41:53,700 --> 00:41:56,300
they thought that the tub had
been for her.

719
00:41:58,500 --> 00:42:02,200
Rusty was useless and actually,
quite frustrating through this

720
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,900
whole process.
He actually told Andrea at one

721
00:42:04,900 --> 00:42:06,800
point that she should think
happy thoughts.

722
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,100
I'm gonna punch you in the nuts.
Three common phrase of

723
00:42:10,100 --> 00:42:12,300
neurotypical.
People who do not understand how

724
00:42:12,300 --> 00:42:16,300
any of this works at.
All right, there you can Sucker

725
00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:18,900
Punch right in your boys.
Yeah.

726
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,400
God, he's super, super
frustrating.

727
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,000
Andrea continued to see, dr.
Syed.

728
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,900
Until June 20th 2001.
When she was arrested that De

729
00:42:27,900 --> 00:42:30,300
Rossi left for work.
He left her alone to watch the

730
00:42:30,308 --> 00:42:33,300
children, which was directly
against sites.

731
00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:36,800
Instructions Rusty's.
Mother Dora was scheduled to get

732
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,200
there at 10:00 a.m. to help her
for the rest of the day.

733
00:42:39,500 --> 00:42:41,700
So Rusty, was only going to be
gone for an hour.

734
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,500
They could have stayed that damn
our I think so too.

735
00:42:48,300 --> 00:42:52,100
This is the part where I'm going
to explain what happens?

736
00:42:53,300 --> 00:42:57,600
I have no issue with you.
Skipping over like the next like

737
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,100
Four minutes.
To anyone listening?

738
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,700
Yeah.
She filled the bathtub with

739
00:43:04,700 --> 00:43:11,000
water and she drowned a five
year old John first, then she

740
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,500
carried him.
Hugh her and Rusty's bedroom,

741
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,500
laid him on the bed, covered him
with the sheet, she did this

742
00:43:16,500 --> 00:43:20,100
again to Paul who was three,
Luke who was too and then six

743
00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:24,700
month old Mary while she was in
the process of drowning, Mary

744
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:30,000
Noah walked into the bathroom.
He was now 7 and he was like,

745
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,400
what's wrong with Barry?
Little boy, tried to run away,

746
00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:38,000
but Andrea caught him and
drowned him to.

747
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,800
She left his body in the tub and
took Mary and laid him in John's

748
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:50,500
arms.
Andrew called the police.

749
00:43:52,900 --> 00:43:59,000
The I actually saw the
transcript of the call to the

750
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,200
police.
It was very weird.

751
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,900
She was just like, I need him to
come and they were like the 911.

752
00:44:05,900 --> 00:44:08,100
Operators, like, who, who do you
need to come?

753
00:44:08,100 --> 00:44:10,600
And she's like, my husband, and
he's like, she's a car.

754
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:11,200
You?
Okay.

755
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,500
Are you ill?
And she said, yes, I'm Ill.

756
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:20,000
And They're like, do you need a
police officer?

757
00:44:21,900 --> 00:44:23,200
Oh, gee.
A firefighter.

758
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,000
And she's just like, yes,
firefighters should come.

759
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:33,000
Send an ambulance to And then
she called her husband.

760
00:44:33,100 --> 00:44:38,500
Hmm again I already told you the
situation where she told them

761
00:44:38,500 --> 00:44:39,600
it's time.
Yeah.

762
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,200
When the police arrived Andrea
was still wet and she greeted

763
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,700
them at the door, she said very
calmly.

764
00:44:46,700 --> 00:44:50,000
I just killed my kids.
Then she sat down in the living

765
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:55,700
room and the officers checked.
Every account that I read of

766
00:44:55,700 --> 00:44:58,500
this, and I don't go, I don't
have any, I don't go to into

767
00:44:58,500 --> 00:45:02,200
details on this in my notes, but
that it was a very, just a

768
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:08,200
life-altering experience for the
police officers, who checked

769
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:14,300
horrible to walk in, and see the
little boy in the tub.

770
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,600
And then to walk down the hall
and see the other four children

771
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:24,000
laid out, She told she spoke to
detective.

772
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,000
His name was Ed, Mel saying I'm
a bad mother and I deserve to be

773
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,300
punished.
She didn't struggle with the

774
00:45:30,300 --> 00:45:32,600
police as the EMTs came into the
house.

775
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,500
To see if her children were
still alive, she just looked

776
00:45:35,500 --> 00:45:37,800
kind of blankly at her neighbors
as they led her away.

777
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,400
The police reported that, this
is the part that really like

778
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,000
annoyed me, I just really
frustrated me because Rusty was

779
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,400
like, you're not living up to
your wifely duties.

780
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,400
I'm like, bro.
Nobody was doing anything in the

781
00:45:49,408 --> 00:45:52,600
house because don't lie.
They said the house was like

782
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,400
just super cluttered dishes were
everywhere.

783
00:45:55,400 --> 00:46:01,700
Everything was super messy.
like, if she's in such a state

784
00:46:01,700 --> 00:46:08,300
where she can do nothing, Like,
what wifely duties, do you

785
00:46:08,300 --> 00:46:10,000
think?
She's like, becoming dependent

786
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,800
on you?
She can't even wash a dish.

787
00:46:13,500 --> 00:46:16,300
That's a whole different level.
Yeah.

788
00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:22,600
But the children were confirmed
dead when the The medical

789
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:23,600
examiner.
Got there.

790
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,900
Rusty was not allowed to enter
the home for five hours.

791
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,700
He told the police that his wife
was depressed and that she was

792
00:46:31,700 --> 00:46:35,300
on medication at the police
station.

793
00:46:35,300 --> 00:46:39,100
They recorded an interview of
Andrea Yates and she confessed,

794
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:45,900
she's like nearly emaciated at
this point she is like

795
00:46:45,900 --> 00:46:49,500
stuttering.
She is, filthy, her scalp is

796
00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:51,300
covered in bald patches from
her.

797
00:46:51,300 --> 00:46:55,500
Pulling her hair out and scabs
from her like Like scratching at

798
00:46:55,500 --> 00:47:00,300
her scalp, on top of that, the
recorded confession was bizarre,

799
00:47:00,300 --> 00:47:03,600
it was a mixture of her
discussing what she did.

800
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:08,700
But also it was like all of
that, like religious mumbo-jumbo

801
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,800
Twisted into it.
Like this, that she'd like

802
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,800
internalized over the lack last
eight years of being with Rusty,

803
00:47:17,300 --> 00:47:19,400
like she told him, she killed
her children because she was a

804
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,900
bad mother.
She explained exactly.

805
00:47:21,900 --> 00:47:24,700
Like, I told you in detail like,
which one, and how she did it?

806
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,800
She told the police, like, they
were like, well, did the

807
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,600
children do anything wrong?
She's like, no, she's like, mm,

808
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,400
were you mad at them?
She's like, no, they weren't

809
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,100
developing correctly.
And so, they're like, what does

810
00:47:38,100 --> 00:47:40,400
that mean?
And she's just like, well, you

811
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,700
know, I've been thinking about
Doing this for the last two

812
00:47:42,700 --> 00:47:47,000
years and that she said that she
needed to be punished for not,

813
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:52,100
raising them correctly, and the
officer realized that she wanted

814
00:47:52,100 --> 00:47:55,600
the criminal justice system to
punish her for being a bad mom.

815
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,400
According to her own religion,
she was sure that if things went

816
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,100
on the way they were going, her
evilness would, in fact, these

817
00:48:03,100 --> 00:48:06,600
children and they would never
get to go to heaven, she

818
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,300
believed that just like the war
in Equis.

819
00:48:08,300 --> 00:48:11,100
Told her, she was damned, but at
least she could save her

820
00:48:11,100 --> 00:48:12,000
children.
From Souls.

821
00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:15,700
She said that she had nearly
killed him two months ago,

822
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,700
chant, but changed her mind.
Gave him a name of her current

823
00:48:18,700 --> 00:48:21,800
psychiatrist.
She said she hadn't killed them

824
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,900
because someone was at home with
her at the time, the officer

825
00:48:25,900 --> 00:48:28,800
interviewing her, shut off the
recording, 18 minutes later

826
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,300
after asking, Andrea to give all
the birth dates of her children.

827
00:48:33,300 --> 00:48:38,000
So for his records that day, she
was charged with two counts of

828
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,000
capital, murder for
intentionally and knowingly

829
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,400
called.
The death of three of her

830
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,800
children with water as the
weapon.

831
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,100
There was no mention on this
report at all, of her mental

832
00:48:49,100 --> 00:48:56,200
illness.
Exactly, on the flip side, Rusty

833
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,500
began telling the press that she
had been dealing with serious

834
00:48:58,500 --> 00:49:01,600
mental health issues, since the
birth of their fourth child in

835
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:06,000
1989.
Dr. Syed called Rusty the day of

836
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,300
the murders and was shocked.
He was like, doctors.

837
00:49:09,300 --> 00:49:12,300
I eat was under the belief that
Rusty's mother lived there with

838
00:49:12,300 --> 00:49:15,300
them.
And she was always there, right?

839
00:49:15,700 --> 00:49:18,200
Not that she was showing up
every morning and then going

840
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,200
home and I mean, yeah, the
latter would make sense and

841
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:27,000
former will make sense.
One day because this is like a

842
00:49:27,008 --> 00:49:29,700
media Firestorm at this part.
No one can imagine this.

843
00:49:29,700 --> 00:49:32,500
You know, horrible thing
happened and beautiful medical

844
00:49:32,500 --> 00:49:36,100
Middle America.
One day Rusty, goes outside with

845
00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:39,500
a picture of his family, and
tells the group of reporters

846
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,700
everything he remembers from
that day and he publicly

847
00:49:42,700 --> 00:49:44,400
supports Andrea telling the
reporter.

848
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,200
She's a good.
Mom, she just wasn't in her

849
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:51,000
right frame of mind.
June, 22nd and reappears in

850
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:55,400
front of Johnny Belinda Hill and
listens to prosecutor kahlan

851
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,800
will afford.
It was well for its first

852
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,200
capital, murder case, and whole
she gave it everything she had.

853
00:50:01,300 --> 00:50:05,000
No Andrea said, she didn't have
her attorney, didn't have an

854
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,300
attorney and was given a public
defender named Bob Scott who

855
00:50:08,300 --> 00:50:12,000
immediately requested a gag
order on everything that was

856
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,100
going to be investigated.
So that it wasn't leaked to the

857
00:50:14,100 --> 00:50:17,400
Press, he wanted the state to
keep quiet.

858
00:50:17,500 --> 00:50:20,100
On whether they were going to
seek the death penalty, the

859
00:50:20,100 --> 00:50:24,900
prosecution complied.
At this point, Rusty got a

860
00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:28,500
family friend named George
parnham to help with the case

861
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,900
and George.
Negotiated a meeting between

862
00:50:30,900 --> 00:50:33,500
Rusty and Andrea because at this
point he wasn't even allowed to

863
00:50:33,500 --> 00:50:37,900
see her and laughing singing.
Here would be the best rejected

864
00:50:37,900 --> 00:50:39,300
the attorney.
There you go.

865
00:50:39,300 --> 00:50:42,700
She told Rusty, you will be
greatly rewarded and then said

866
00:50:42,700 --> 00:50:46,200
have a nice life and tell him to
leave.

867
00:50:49,500 --> 00:50:53,300
The reason why she was so weird
during this interview, this,

868
00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:56,200
this time was that the president
didn't have like the medication

869
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,300
that she needed, right?
So they just were putting her on

870
00:50:58,300 --> 00:51:01,700
sedatives, so she was just high
as a kite that day.

871
00:51:01,900 --> 00:51:08,500
Like have a nice life by a man,
by the name of Wendell Odom was

872
00:51:08,500 --> 00:51:12,900
enlisted to help parnham when he
went to see Andrea.

873
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,900
She only wanted to know what
plea, they were going to submit.

874
00:51:17,100 --> 00:51:22,400
Her because she said she was not
going to plead guilty at this

875
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,300
point.
Wonder was like, I'm not even

876
00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:26,500
sure you can stand trial for
yourself.

877
00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:31,200
She still even while she was in
prison, she still wasn't bathing

878
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,000
and she was barely aware of the
world around her.

879
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,100
She was still shaking and like
scratching at her scalp.

880
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,800
There was a Doctor by the name
of Lucy per year who ended up

881
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:46,000
evaluating her for the defense
and said that Andrea was

882
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,200
suffering from something.
Called postpartum psychosis and

883
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,100
described her as the sickest
person I have ever seen in my

884
00:51:52,100 --> 00:51:56,200
life.
No, I'm pause this because a lot

885
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:57,900
of people know what postpartum
depression has.

886
00:51:57,900 --> 00:52:01,400
Mmm, I didn't actually know what
postpartum psychosis was.

887
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,600
I started reading about that.
Yeah, I didn't know that was a

888
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,200
thing.
So postpartum depression occurs

889
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,900
in about 20 percent of women who
have children attended, 20% is

890
00:52:08,900 --> 00:52:13,700
the, the general percentage.
It just happens because there

891
00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:16,900
are a extreme amount of hormonal
shifts.

892
00:52:17,100 --> 00:52:23,000
Being within the pregnant woman
and it, they have weird

893
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,400
thoughts.
They feel unsure.

894
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,200
Sometimes they have trouble
bonding with the child.

895
00:52:29,900 --> 00:52:34,100
Postpartum psychosis is actually
quite where and only occurs in

896
00:52:34,100 --> 00:52:38,900
about Point 1 to point, 2
percent of all women, who give

897
00:52:38,900 --> 00:52:45,000
birth, it's treatable but very
severe and it can happen to

898
00:52:45,008 --> 00:52:46,900
women who've never had any
Mental Health.

899
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,700
Issues before, but women who
already have a history of mental

900
00:52:50,700 --> 00:52:52,600
illness or at a higher risk for
it.

901
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:59,600
It starts within weeks of the
pregnancy like the birth, and if

902
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,400
its treated like quickly, you're
perfectly fine.

903
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,300
But like, as for the symptoms of
this, Andrea had them all

904
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,500
strained believes hearing and
seeing things that aren't there.

905
00:53:09,500 --> 00:53:12,500
Severe confusion.
Bouts of mania with a loss of

906
00:53:12,500 --> 00:53:17,700
touch of reality, Andrews
medical records were subpoenaed

907
00:53:17,700 --> 00:53:20,600
and psychiatrist were ordered to
speak to her.

908
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:25,900
She very consistently told all
of them that God would accept

909
00:53:25,900 --> 00:53:30,200
her children to heaven, when one
of the doctors reverse, the

910
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,900
question and was like, what
would happen if you'd left the

911
00:53:32,900 --> 00:53:36,000
children alive?
Andrea told them, the children

912
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,600
would continue stumbling in
their lives and go to hell.

913
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:43,300
When I asked like, what were the
children doing to show you that

914
00:53:43,300 --> 00:53:46,600
you were being a bad mom?
Andrea said that they didn't

915
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,700
treat Rusty's mother with
respects and weren't doing the

916
00:53:49,700 --> 00:53:53,300
things that God liked, which is
so vague.

917
00:53:53,300 --> 00:53:56,300
Yeah.
What did the judge did Issue the

918
00:53:56,300 --> 00:53:59,700
gag order, five days later which
is the same way that the

919
00:53:59,700 --> 00:54:03,000
children were buried.
But it didn't really matter

920
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,000
because information just leaked
constantly to the process,

921
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,100
right?
A funeral was reported on the

922
00:54:08,100 --> 00:54:13,400
media Rusty was Graham and sad
and spoke at at each of his

923
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:17,800
children's coffins tongue.
Labor and good hands and placing

924
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,200
the Child's favorite toy inside
the coffin.

925
00:54:20,700 --> 00:54:22,900
He gave a eulogy for his
children, discussing their

926
00:54:22,900 --> 00:54:25,400
personalities and he showed
pictures of them.

927
00:54:25,700 --> 00:54:28,800
He read a few Bible verses
called it, God's Will and sat

928
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,300
down.
Andrea was not permitted to

929
00:54:31,300 --> 00:54:36,300
attend her children's funeral
but other family members did by

930
00:54:36,300 --> 00:54:38,200
June 28th.
The media were predicting what

931
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:44,400
was going to happen here.
Texas juries are very apt to

932
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,700
recommend.
The death penalty but they have

933
00:54:46,700 --> 00:54:50,000
always found it.
Hard to kill mother's.

934
00:54:50,300 --> 00:54:54,900
Hmm, as of May 17th 2021.
There are 17.

935
00:54:54,900 --> 00:54:59,200
Women on death, row for killing
their children, but roughly 180

936
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,000
children are killed by their
mothers, every year in the u.s.

937
00:55:03,100 --> 00:55:07,000
Oh my God.
So Of the ones that happened

938
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,700
every year, like what less than
one percent of them actually end

939
00:55:10,700 --> 00:55:13,100
up on death row.
For some reason, as a culture,

940
00:55:13,100 --> 00:55:17,800
we really struggle to Put a
woman to death.

941
00:55:17,900 --> 00:55:21,400
Put a mother to death.
Yeah it's rigged.

942
00:55:21,700 --> 00:55:23,600
It's weird.
You child enough.

943
00:55:25,900 --> 00:55:30,000
Texas indicted Andrea for the
deaths of Noah John and Mary on

944
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,200
July 31st, 2001.
They Prevail Leaf earring as to

945
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:37,500
why they did not include the all
the children is that.

946
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,000
If the initial charges didn't go
the way the state wanted, they

947
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,400
could prosecute her again and
not fall under.

948
00:55:45,300 --> 00:55:48,300
Look at them using their brain.
Yep, so they like listen, we're

949
00:55:48,300 --> 00:55:50,000
going to do these first three
and if this doesn't go the way

950
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,900
we want, we're going to
prosecute the other two.

951
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,800
There you go.
Judge Hill ordered a third

952
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,900
Psych.
For Andrea for her arraignment

953
00:55:58,900 --> 00:56:00,700
be Raymond.
Is when you're expected to

954
00:56:00,700 --> 00:56:04,100
submit your plea and here, the
formal charges against you, she

955
00:56:04,100 --> 00:56:06,200
appeared in court, August 8,
2001.

956
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,100
She was thinner than she first
appeared in.

957
00:56:08,100 --> 00:56:11,600
June, she been put back on the
same antipsychotic that had

958
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,500
worked for her in 1989, but it
didn't seem to be working.

959
00:56:14,700 --> 00:56:18,300
Now she was very clearly
deteriorating.

960
00:56:18,300 --> 00:56:21,200
But the Texas court appointed
psychiatrist is like nah, she's

961
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,800
good.
Her legal team did not agree and

962
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:30,600
they wanted to draw To see and
decide for themselves.

963
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,600
Since the psychiatrist they'd
all hired said that Andrea was

964
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:40,300
not competent enough to just to
stand trial, competency, hearing

965
00:56:40,300 --> 00:56:43,000
meeting that she's able to
participate in her own defense

966
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,000
and fully comprehend what's
happening in court, right?

967
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,500
The judge would agree.
Look at the medical testimony

968
00:56:49,500 --> 00:56:50,700
from dr.
Syed.

969
00:56:50,700 --> 00:56:53,900
That was given to the grand jury
before her indictment and they

970
00:56:53,900 --> 00:56:58,800
set up a competency hearing the
day.

971
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:03,200
After they say, the judge agreed
to the competency hearing the

972
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,500
prosecution was like, yeah.
So we're going to be seeking the

973
00:57:05,500 --> 00:57:08,400
death penalty so much for that
gag order, right?

974
00:57:10,500 --> 00:57:12,400
The judge ordered.
No one could speak publicly

975
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,500
about this.
But Rusty did a 60 Minutes

976
00:57:15,500 --> 00:57:18,400
interview oh my God, where he
showed videos of the children

977
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,300
and talked about his life with
Andrea, but he was careful.

978
00:57:21,300 --> 00:57:25,300
Not to give any opinions about
the trial or talk about anything

979
00:57:25,300 --> 00:57:26,300
involving the try.
Well.

980
00:57:26,300 --> 00:57:28,000
Okay.
I mean, that's not too bad.

981
00:57:28,100 --> 00:57:30,900
He did everything, but so I'm
jury selection began a week

982
00:57:30,900 --> 00:57:34,500
after September 11th because
everything.

983
00:57:34,500 --> 00:57:38,100
Shut down for September 11th.
Yes, that wild doesn't want this

984
00:57:38,100 --> 00:57:39,600
happened.
That year.

985
00:57:40,900 --> 00:57:44,700
So, aim of the books that I read
for this cop, Breaking Point by

986
00:57:44,700 --> 00:57:49,100
Suzie Spencer, it goes into some
intense details about this

987
00:57:49,100 --> 00:57:52,400
competency trial, there were
hundreds of pages of documents

988
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:56,400
submitted to the court defense,
experts saying, she's not come,

989
00:57:56,500 --> 00:57:58,500
you know, competent prosecution
saying.

990
00:57:58,500 --> 00:58:02,600
She is lawyers arguing about the
state psychologist.

991
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:06,200
Being allowed to visit Andrea
without the defense knowledge.

992
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,000
The judge ruled that that
interview couldn't be used but

993
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,500
the end of the While it's still
got used those all crazy.

994
00:58:13,100 --> 00:58:15,100
There's this, his name is dr.
Joan Harris.

995
00:58:15,100 --> 00:58:18,500
And he testified that he met
Andrea four times and that she

996
00:58:18,500 --> 00:58:23,100
showed signs of psychosis an
hallucination on June 25th.

997
00:58:23,100 --> 00:58:25,200
That's five days after the
murder.

998
00:58:25,300 --> 00:58:27,900
Hmm.
She was seeing visions of Satan

999
00:58:27,900 --> 00:58:29,900
in her jail cell.
He told the court.

1000
00:58:29,900 --> 00:58:31,800
She had a hard time
understanding questions and it

1001
00:58:31,808 --> 00:58:37,200
would take her like a really
long time to like process.

1002
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:41,900
What he was asking her.
The one thing that Andrea seemed

1003
00:58:41,900 --> 00:58:44,900
to be certain of, is that she
deserved to be executed and go

1004
00:58:44,900 --> 00:58:47,500
to hell.
Because once she was killed the

1005
00:58:47,500 --> 00:58:50,100
Devil Within her would be
destroyed.

1006
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,500
She insisted, she didn't need a
lawyer, she was not going to

1007
00:58:54,500 --> 00:58:58,500
plead guilty and then she wanted
to shave her head to prove that

1008
00:58:58,500 --> 00:59:02,200
she had been given the mark of
Satan and it was on her scalp.

1009
00:59:02,500 --> 00:59:05,400
And if she shaved her head, then
won't be able to see it.

1010
00:59:05,500 --> 00:59:08,500
Oh, my God, dr.
Harris did tell the court that

1011
00:59:08,500 --> 00:59:11,600
after three months of being
medicated, she did seem to stop

1012
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:15,600
having hallucinations and could
hold on to like have a

1013
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,600
conversation, but she still
struggled with delusions.

1014
00:59:18,900 --> 00:59:22,800
And while she was a Rather like
average intelligence woman.

1015
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,100
She struggled with remembering
things, which is kind of

1016
00:59:26,100 --> 00:59:29,000
important for a trial where
you're supposed to remember the

1017
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,700
details of what you did, right?
And it's like I said, if someone

1018
00:59:32,700 --> 00:59:38,300
with MVD, your memory like
long-term depression, and your

1019
00:59:38,300 --> 00:59:44,200
memory, it's just shot, I just
forget stuff, I know it's awful,

1020
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:49,500
it makes me feel terrible.
Goodness, there's another doctor

1021
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:53,300
named Laura.
Marin gel who testified about

1022
00:59:53,300 --> 00:59:56,300
the changes that happen to your
brain at different psychological

1023
00:59:56,300 --> 00:59:59,400
States dr.
Mary and Joe is actually an

1024
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,100
expert on depression and she
walks the court through the

1025
01:00:02,300 --> 01:00:06,500
previous two years of Andrea's
life and said that with

1026
01:00:06,500 --> 01:00:09,900
extensive treatment Andrea could
become competent.

1027
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:14,400
But at this moment she was not
the prosecution used the prison

1028
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:18,600
staff to support their assertion
that Andrea was okay, there was

1029
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:22,200
a doctor named Steve rubin's.
Sir, who spent 10 hours with her

1030
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,200
and done tests?
This was the one that the

1031
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:28,700
defense was disputing because
the defense wasn't there when

1032
01:00:28,700 --> 01:00:35,100
they did these competency time,
September 24th, 2001, a jury of

1033
01:00:35,100 --> 01:00:39,300
11 men and one woman deemed her
fit to stand trial on October

1034
01:00:39,300 --> 01:00:43,500
30th.
Andrea's attorneys filed, 36,

1035
01:00:43,500 --> 01:00:48,100
pretrial, motions, everything in
the book that they could file,

1036
01:00:48,100 --> 01:00:50,600
they did.
But the most important one was

1037
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:54,800
that, the court reconsider part
of the Texas criminal code that

1038
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:58,700
would stop jurors from knowing
that a verdict of Not Guilty.

1039
01:00:58,700 --> 01:01:03,600
By reason of insanity was not
actually Acquittal, and I didn't

1040
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:07,600
realize this either, like, I
think, you know, it kind of but

1041
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,800
you people always say, like, oh,
that person got away with, you

1042
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,400
know, Murder By reason of
insanity.

1043
01:01:13,500 --> 01:01:16,900
No, but the reality of that is
that you don't like get to go

1044
01:01:16,900 --> 01:01:17,800
free.
No, no.

1045
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:21,400
You agree to like go to a mental
facility, roughly for the rest

1046
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:22,300
of your life.
Yep.

1047
01:01:22,300 --> 01:01:25,400
You just aren't going to prison.
But I mean, really, if we're

1048
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,700
arguing if some psychiatric
facilities are like present

1049
01:01:28,700 --> 01:01:30,800
mostly in his prison.
Yeah.

1050
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:36,400
So People like the common.
I think general idea in America

1051
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,800
is that you get to walk away
from this but that's not true at

1052
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:43,100
all.
So what her attorneys wanted was

1053
01:01:43,100 --> 01:01:47,700
for them to essentially say,
like, know if you do this if you

1054
01:01:47,700 --> 01:01:49,900
give her, you know, guilty, not
guilty.

1055
01:01:49,900 --> 01:01:52,400
By reason of insanity, it
doesn't mean she gets away with

1056
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:54,000
murder.
I just mean she's going to go to

1057
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,000
a facility that can actually
help her, right?

1058
01:01:56,500 --> 01:02:01,400
But apparently in Texas, you
can't do that.

1059
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,600
We're not allowed to know that
whatnot.

1060
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,200
It's against the rules.
It's against the rules are

1061
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,000
against the law.
It's part of the Texas criminal

1062
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,500
code.
That jurors are not supposed to

1063
01:02:12,500 --> 01:02:15,100
understand like that about that
verdict.

1064
01:02:15,100 --> 01:02:17,800
That's some bullshit.
It's weird.

1065
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,800
And it's something that after
this case has been disputed,

1066
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,400
like, why wouldn't you want your
jurors to be fully like before

1067
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:27,900
we understand what's going on?
That's what I said too.

1068
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:32,000
Now, Andrea is defense.
Also wanted her Russian thrown

1069
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:35,800
out because it was done about an
hour after the murders where she

1070
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,000
was not on any medication and
she was definitely not competent

1071
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:40,900
enough to waive her right to an
attorney that day.

1072
01:02:40,900 --> 01:02:43,800
Yeah, but it's what you didn't
do, it was the freshest.

1073
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:48,700
So at this end, they were trying
and November a psychiatrist for

1074
01:02:48,700 --> 01:02:52,100
the prosecution interviewed
Andrea, his name was dr.

1075
01:02:52,100 --> 01:02:56,800
Park Dietz, and he is a
nationally well-known forensic

1076
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:00,400
psychiatrist who worked on
Jeffrey, Dahmer's case for the

1077
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,700
FBI.
Oh as well as Susan Smith.

1078
01:03:03,900 --> 01:03:06,500
Who also drowned her children.
Oh wait, you said Jeffrey

1079
01:03:06,500 --> 01:03:07,600
Dahmer?
You mean your boy?

1080
01:03:07,700 --> 01:03:12,800
No Dahmer know until my Bundy.
Well no not but probably not

1081
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,300
your voice.
Not my boy, not your boy.

1082
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:21,300
Oh my God.
Okay Dahmer is not my boy.

1083
01:03:22,300 --> 01:03:25,800
Despite him being a very well
respected forensic psychiatrist.

1084
01:03:27,100 --> 01:03:30,900
He knew virtually nothing about
postpartum depression or

1085
01:03:30,900 --> 01:03:33,700
psychosis.
It wasn't his area of expertise

1086
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,900
that interview was taped and
released to the public.

1087
01:03:39,300 --> 01:03:42,800
Oh, they probably eat him alive.
She know, she repeated a lot of

1088
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,200
what I've told though, but she I
told you to dr.

1089
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,900
Dietz.
December was really tough month.

1090
01:03:47,900 --> 01:03:50,900
The defense lost nearly all of
their emotions, specifically,

1091
01:03:50,900 --> 01:03:56,000
the one about the jury, they
begin what year which is jury

1092
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,400
selection.
January 6, 2002, eight women,

1093
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,100
and four men were chosen.
Seven of those jurors had

1094
01:04:02,100 --> 01:04:04,800
children and to had degrees in
Psychology.

1095
01:04:04,900 --> 01:04:07,200
Hmm.
All were aware that they were

1096
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,700
allowed to choose the death
penalty trial was set for

1097
01:04:10,700 --> 01:04:12,500
February.
Eighteenth, two thousand two.

1098
01:04:12,500 --> 01:04:17,200
This was super high profile and
the literally like Every night,

1099
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:21,600
the media's medical experts were
debating, whether Andrea Yates

1100
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:26,100
was actually crazy.
We should she get off like The

1101
01:04:26,100 --> 01:04:28,800
prosecution was like, listen,
Andrew Greg Yates drowned, her

1102
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:30,600
five kids.
She knew it was wrong.

1103
01:04:30,900 --> 01:04:34,400
She known because she didn't
kill them when her husband was

1104
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:37,800
home the month before and she
waited until he was gone the day

1105
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:40,400
that she did it then she called
the police.

1106
01:04:41,100 --> 01:04:45,100
Both Williford and her partner.
Joseph own be tried to keep the

1107
01:04:45,100 --> 01:04:48,600
jury focused on the fact that
she knew what was right when it

1108
01:04:48,607 --> 01:04:51,300
happened and that her mental
health wasn't really a factor.

1109
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:55,600
Of course the defense was that
she didn't know What she was

1110
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:59,600
doing, because she is insane as
we discussed during the Herbert

1111
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,300
Mullin case.
And episode 13, this is still

1112
01:05:02,300 --> 01:05:07,000
very hard to prove in court.
Andrea's defends said that she'd

1113
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:08,800
been suffering from postpartum
depression.

1114
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:12,800
Since her second son was born
postpartum psychosis since the

1115
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:17,800
final child was born her lawyer.
Parnham said that Andrea's

1116
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:22,200
mental illness was so severe.
And so long-standing that Andrea

1117
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:26,500
Yates ability to think is at an
abstract To give narrative

1118
01:05:26,500 --> 01:05:30,500
responses and to be able to
connect the dots is impaired.

1119
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,000
Hmm?
Really?

1120
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:39,000
He specifically avoided bringing
up the religious stuff because

1121
01:05:39,100 --> 01:05:43,400
he thought that her fixation on
religion was a manifestation of

1122
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:45,200
the bigger problem.
Like it wasn't.

1123
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:48,500
Just the devil made me do it.
It was that's a movie coming

1124
01:05:48,500 --> 01:05:50,400
out.
Oh yeah, yeah.

1125
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,000
Oh wow.
It's about the warrants to.

1126
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:54,800
Oh wow.
Yeah, we have to watch it.

1127
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,100
I'm sorry.
They were going to leave it up

1128
01:05:57,107 --> 01:06:00,000
to the jurors decide if she was
in the midst of a debilitating

1129
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,900
psychotic State, when she killed
her children.

1130
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,700
This is rough because now after
a year of consistent, medical

1131
01:06:06,700 --> 01:06:09,000
treatment, Andrea looked a lot
better.

1132
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,400
And it would be unethical to
remove her from the medications

1133
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,400
to show how she behaves when
she's not on.

1134
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:18,900
Yeah, please don't know where
the enough during Yates

1135
01:06:18,900 --> 01:06:24,600
testified for the prosecution on
how Andrea did nothing at home,

1136
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,000
but you sit and stare into
space.

1137
01:06:27,500 --> 01:06:30,600
And so like, a lot of people who
reported on this guy, read a

1138
01:06:30,607 --> 01:06:33,200
couple of years, our curls news
articles and they were just like

1139
01:06:34,500 --> 01:06:37,200
This kind of was more helpful to
the defense.

1140
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:40,700
Yeah, absolutely saying that.
Like she pretty much was at home

1141
01:06:40,700 --> 01:06:42,500
in a catatonic State all the
time.

1142
01:06:42,700 --> 01:06:43,800
Thank you.
Regardless.

1143
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,300
We appreciate your help.
One of the other things that the

1144
01:06:46,300 --> 01:06:52,600
prosecution did was they showed
a picture of one of the

1145
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:56,500
children's like clenched Fist
and it had some of Andrea's hair

1146
01:06:56,500 --> 01:06:58,600
in it.
So I let the baby have fought

1147
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,000
back when I have the baby but
one of the other children for

1148
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:04,300
that, right?
And also too Show how small

1149
01:07:04,300 --> 01:07:06,000
their little hands were when
they died.

1150
01:07:07,900 --> 01:07:11,100
Andrea's lawyer was like, this
is just an attempt to work up

1151
01:07:11,100 --> 01:07:13,400
the jury.
It was, right.

1152
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,700
They also showed the pajamas,
they like literally entered the

1153
01:07:20,700 --> 01:07:24,800
children's pajamas into evidence
to show how small they were come

1154
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:26,700
on and how Andrea was so much
bigger.

1155
01:07:26,700 --> 01:07:29,600
We know how big seven-year-old
five, right.

1156
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,100
So we don't like, literally this
is like a 50 pound child.

1157
01:07:32,100 --> 01:07:33,500
Yeah, we know how big they are,
you know.

1158
01:07:33,700 --> 01:07:37,700
Shows us the phone in to see it.
The defense launch their portion

1159
01:07:37,700 --> 01:07:39,500
of the trial.
They started with the prison

1160
01:07:39,500 --> 01:07:42,200
psychiatrist.
Melissa Ferguson to give the

1161
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:44,700
court, an idea of what Andrea
looked like, when she entered

1162
01:07:44,700 --> 01:07:47,600
the prison, how she couldn't
answer any questions or really

1163
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:50,600
talk much.
One of the books that I read for

1164
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:52,700
this podcast is called, are you
there alone?

1165
01:07:52,700 --> 01:07:56,100
And it was from Suzanne O'Malley
and one of the most bizarre

1166
01:07:56,100 --> 01:08:00,600
things that Suzanne points out
about this entire relationship.

1167
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,800
But specifically, the trial is
that Rusty Yates is almost As

1168
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,900
delusional as his wife.
He made team this almost

1169
01:08:06,900 --> 01:08:11,100
childish naivete, that Andre
would be found innocent and that

1170
01:08:11,100 --> 01:08:16,000
they would have more children
after she left a mental health,

1171
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:21,300
facility boy know at some point,
while he was testifying in her

1172
01:08:21,300 --> 01:08:24,399
defense, I think it might have,
he might have finally really

1173
01:08:24,399 --> 01:08:28,300
understood the breadth of his
wife's illness because before

1174
01:08:28,300 --> 01:08:29,800
the murders Rusty, was very
much.

1175
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,399
The type of person to tell, you
know, people just didn't think

1176
01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:38,200
happy thoughts, Or.
Brian Kennedy.

1177
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:42,300
Andrea's brother said that one
time, he even said that, like

1178
01:08:42,300 --> 01:08:45,100
depressed people just needed
like a swift kick in the rear.

1179
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:48,800
You need a swift kick and to get
you know in gear and your face.

1180
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:54,300
Sir you fucking cloning during
Rusty's testimony though he had

1181
01:08:54,300 --> 01:09:00,500
a bone to pick with dr.
Sayid So mind, you doctor say

1182
01:09:00,500 --> 01:09:03,600
eat is the one who said don't
leave her alone, you ever.

1183
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,899
Yeah.
What's his problem with dr.

1184
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:09,100
So rusty said, doctor said he is
responsible for my wife's mental

1185
01:09:09,100 --> 01:09:10,100
care.
Not me.

1186
01:09:10,100 --> 01:09:12,200
I'm not a mental health care,
professional.

1187
01:09:12,700 --> 01:09:16,200
And since Andrea hadn't told him
about the hallucinations, he's

1188
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:19,600
like, I assume that what was
being done, you know, was being

1189
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:24,899
done boy as your wife, right
know this stuff but he, that's

1190
01:09:24,899 --> 01:09:26,600
what I'm saying.
He was neglectful of heard

1191
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:27,500
throughout their entire
relationship.

1192
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,000
It's not yours.
Not the doctors fault.

1193
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,899
You it's like partly your fault
too, because you weren't paying

1194
01:09:32,899 --> 01:09:36,500
attention to her.
You weren't there for her, you

1195
01:09:36,500 --> 01:09:41,000
are sure your fucking asshole.
God, I'm sorry.

1196
01:09:41,500 --> 01:09:45,500
Well, Rusty also said that if
she was as sick as dr.

1197
01:09:45,500 --> 01:09:50,800
Syed had told the cops, then she
should have never been released

1198
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:52,899
at all.
She should have been left alone,

1199
01:09:52,899 --> 01:09:54,900
like, which astral fucking left
her alone.

1200
01:09:54,900 --> 01:09:58,900
She should have been released
but doc Dr. Saeed also told the

1201
01:09:58,907 --> 01:10:02,500
cops that he didn't want to
release Andrea, but her

1202
01:10:02,500 --> 01:10:06,400
insurance, only covered her
stay, in an inpatient facility

1203
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:07,900
for 10 days.
Hmm.

1204
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:16,800
So they were at a loss.
Doctor said he did testify in

1205
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:20,400
the third week of the trial that
when he met with Andrea two days

1206
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:23,500
before the murder, she was not
displaying psychosis at that

1207
01:10:23,500 --> 01:10:26,900
time and that he had diagnosed
her with depression with

1208
01:10:26,900 --> 01:10:33,100
psychotic features.
The defense questioned his notes

1209
01:10:33,700 --> 01:10:37,800
and said, did you add these
after she got arrested for

1210
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:41,800
murder and say he was like, no,
because they were saying that he

1211
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:44,500
didn't do his job.
And that he should have been a

1212
01:10:44,500 --> 01:10:48,300
little more thorough.
I'm pretty like I'm pretty sure

1213
01:10:48,300 --> 01:10:52,100
he did the best he could do what
he could like.

1214
01:10:54,100 --> 01:10:56,300
Nobody else was there to help,
right?

1215
01:10:56,900 --> 01:11:00,000
Like she was lucky enough to get
like a doctor like let her

1216
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,200
husband.
Her husband actually took her

1217
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:02,900
right?
Yeah.

1218
01:11:02,900 --> 01:11:05,300
At that point.
Well Andrews mother spoke on her

1219
01:11:05,300 --> 01:11:08,600
behalf she was not
cross-examined and then they

1220
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:11,700
brought out their big guns.
Three very well-known

1221
01:11:11,700 --> 01:11:16,400
psychiatrist Philip Resnick
Steve rosenblatt and Lucy per

1222
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:19,800
year this was a three-part plan
so rosenblatt had interviewed

1223
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,800
Andrea five days after the
killing and say that Andrea was

1224
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:25,300
in a deep sleep.
Of psychosis and that it would

1225
01:11:25,300 --> 01:11:27,500
have taken weeks for her to get
this bad.

1226
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:31,300
Not days, which directly cuts
into dr.

1227
01:11:31,300 --> 01:11:33,900
Saeed's diagnosis of saying,
that two days before the murder.

1228
01:11:33,900 --> 01:11:37,900
She was all right, hmm.
Per year, focused on the

1229
01:11:37,900 --> 01:11:40,300
internalized.
Shame from her first to it, that

1230
01:11:40,300 --> 01:11:43,600
suicide attempt and how she had
had a lot of secrecy about her

1231
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,700
suicidal, ideation after that
because after that, she didn't

1232
01:11:46,700 --> 01:11:49,000
tell anybody about any of the
stuff she was thinking, or

1233
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:52,600
seeing or hearing, right prayer.
Also handled the main chunk of

1234
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:55,700
explaining to the The jury the
difference between postpartum

1235
01:11:55,700 --> 01:12:01,800
depression and psychosis.
Then Resnick, his speciality was

1236
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:04,900
parasite.
He referred to the killings as

1237
01:12:04,900 --> 01:12:10,000
being altruistic in nature, and
that she knew what she was doing

1238
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:12,700
was illegal.
But she believed that her choice

1239
01:12:12,700 --> 01:12:19,200
to override this, right?
And wrong, was because she was

1240
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:20,700
doing it for the betterment of
the child.

1241
01:12:20,700 --> 01:12:22,600
That actually makes sense,
right?

1242
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:26,500
So this wasn't like, I'm killing
my kids because I don't know.

1243
01:12:26,500 --> 01:12:29,700
Some man wants me to move to,
you know.

1244
01:12:29,700 --> 01:12:31,400
Yeah.
North Carolina or something dumb

1245
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:33,500
like that.
Like this was done with her

1246
01:12:33,500 --> 01:12:36,200
thinking about their best
interest at heart, but she knew

1247
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:38,100
it was wrong but she does, she
didn't know.

1248
01:12:38,100 --> 01:12:40,000
It was wrong to kill people.
Yeah.

1249
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:45,300
Resident met her in her cell on
two separate occasions and he

1250
01:12:45,300 --> 01:12:47,800
was just like, I'm pretty sure
she's schizophrenic as well.

1251
01:12:49,700 --> 01:12:52,900
His diagnosis did contradict the
other doctors but he's just

1252
01:12:52,900 --> 01:12:55,900
simply Stated like listen this
is just my interpretation of the

1253
01:12:55,900 --> 01:13:00,000
same data that we're all looking
at right after that, the

1254
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:03,400
prosecution had their
opportunity for rebuttal and

1255
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:05,400
that is when they bought it,
brought in dr.

1256
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:08,100
Park Dietz.
This was a big deal.

1257
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:10,500
Because dr.
Dietz and dr.

1258
01:13:10,500 --> 01:13:13,900
Resnick had been on the opposite
side of the courtroom before and

1259
01:13:13,900 --> 01:13:17,900
dates usually 100.
He was very good at explaining

1260
01:13:17,900 --> 01:13:22,000
complex things in simple ways
forgeries, which tends to earn

1261
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:25,100
you favor in courtroom.
Do you like to be talked to like

1262
01:13:25,100 --> 01:13:27,600
I don't know things.
This is because sometimes

1263
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,600
actually explain to me like I'm
five like playing a courtroom

1264
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:33,100
like because sometimes I am
stupid and you need to talk to

1265
01:13:33,100 --> 01:13:35,200
me like a child.
Like these cases are long.

1266
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:37,200
They go on for weeks.
Like you need somebody to

1267
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:40,300
explain like, okay.
Can you just say and basic words

1268
01:13:40,300 --> 01:13:44,000
with psychosis says, because I'm
tired of hearing, my 12th grades

1269
01:13:44,100 --> 01:13:47,200
13th grade language.
Y'all need to move on from there

1270
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:50,300
to youth green 13th, grade.
Listen, I'm not ready for 13th,

1271
01:13:50,300 --> 01:13:55,700
grave right now, sir.
In fact, during the trial Deets

1272
01:13:55,700 --> 01:14:00,400
used PowerPoint and he admitted
yes Andrea Yates is seriously

1273
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:03,900
mentally ill, but she a, he
said, she hadn't acted like a

1274
01:14:03,907 --> 01:14:05,400
mother who was saving her
children.

1275
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:08,200
He said she was aware of her
delusions and had not done

1276
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:11,800
anything to protect her children
Dietz point out that in Yates

1277
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:14,800
own words.
She had committed a sin and she

1278
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:16,300
knew what she had done was
wrong.

1279
01:14:16,700 --> 01:14:19,700
He also pointed out that Yates
deserve the death penalty for

1280
01:14:19,700 --> 01:14:23,300
crimes and that her covering the
children's bodies with.

1281
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:28,800
His sheet was a sign of guilt.
He also wondered why she hadn't

1282
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:32,700
comforted her children or
reassured them afterward.

1283
01:14:32,900 --> 01:14:37,200
That this was an act of love.
Dietz.

1284
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:41,300
Also, blamed Rusty to thank you.
He remind the court that doctor

1285
01:14:41,300 --> 01:14:46,500
Sayid and also another doctor
who did she had worked with

1286
01:14:46,500 --> 01:14:48,700
before dr.
Eileen star Branch had.

1287
01:14:48,700 --> 01:14:52,200
Advised her not to go off her
meds to get pregnant and not to

1288
01:14:52,208 --> 01:14:54,000
leave Andrea alone.
This is true.

1289
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:56,700
He said that Russia should have
realized that.

1290
01:14:56,700 --> 01:15:00,200
If a doctor was saying, don't
leave her alone.

1291
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:04,100
It means you can't leave her
alone with the kids.

1292
01:15:04,700 --> 01:15:07,800
He Point out that Andrea had
been living in an unhealthy

1293
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,800
condition for a very long time
and had not received the

1294
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:13,600
Continuous Care that she needed
to recover.

1295
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,700
And that's the really big word
here.

1296
01:15:16,700 --> 01:15:19,200
Continuous Care.
It's one thing for Rusty to

1297
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:20,900
compete.
Taking her back to the doctors

1298
01:15:20,900 --> 01:15:22,200
every couple months.
Yeah.

1299
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:26,300
But she need ongoing consistent.
Medical Healthcare really

1300
01:15:26,300 --> 01:15:30,400
hourly.
Like that's like it's one of

1301
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:33,000
those interesting things.
After my mom passed, I was

1302
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:39,500
seeing a therapist twice a week.
every week for months, that That

1303
01:15:39,500 --> 01:15:42,400
matters.
So like if you're saying that

1304
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:45,600
somebody's in this like deep
psych psychosis, I was nowhere

1305
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:49,400
near anything like that and you
were at least and I was a weed.

1306
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:53,100
Yeah I was still going to see a
therapist twice a week so I feel

1307
01:15:53,100 --> 01:15:55,500
like honestly like I said like
dr.

1308
01:15:55,500 --> 01:15:57,500
Sagan said she should have been
committed.

1309
01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:59,400
Yeah and she was only getting
hit like we just like once a

1310
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:00,800
month naughty.
Yeah.

1311
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,400
It was like one time, will the
year that this happened?

1312
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:08,900
Yeah, April May a couple of
June, like, I'm like once a

1313
01:16:08,900 --> 01:16:12,000
month is not enough, that's
that's what you Like you get put

1314
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,800
on once a month, appointments,
when you're in like, full-on

1315
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:18,400
like recovery and they're like,
I was going to check on you

1316
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:20,400
every so often you're doing
good.

1317
01:16:20,500 --> 01:16:22,400
That's what I'll do for
counseling once a month.

1318
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:26,600
Yeah, that's that's kind of,
like, where would be now for me

1319
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:29,400
like, hey, you know, what did
you stop by once a month to keep

1320
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:30,800
up with you.
Exactly.

1321
01:16:30,900 --> 01:16:34,100
But like, once a month for
somebody who is this far down

1322
01:16:34,100 --> 01:16:36,100
the rabbit hole?
It's at, it's not enough.

1323
01:16:38,900 --> 01:16:42,300
Now, Dietz also said in court
that when Was imprisoned.

1324
01:16:42,300 --> 01:16:46,100
She told him, I shouldn't have
done this, he did concede that.

1325
01:16:46,100 --> 01:16:48,700
It's possible that Andrea
psychosis could have gotten

1326
01:16:48,700 --> 01:16:51,500
worse after she killed the
children, so that the other

1327
01:16:51,500 --> 01:16:56,800
doctors weren't lying, but that
he did say that the delusions

1328
01:16:56,800 --> 01:17:00,600
that she told him and the
delusion, she told the other

1329
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,500
doctors days and weeks later
were different.

1330
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:09,300
It was his opinion that her
motive for murder was the same

1331
01:17:09,300 --> 01:17:13,100
as her motive for suicide.
She saw, no way out of her life

1332
01:17:13,100 --> 01:17:16,200
with a man who gave her no help
and left her with five children.

1333
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:19,600
This was a way for her to escape
and the same way that she was

1334
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,400
trying to escape by killing
herself.

1335
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:25,600
He also liquid on this weird
tangent where he said that

1336
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:29,900
Andrea had seen a law-and-order
episode about a mother who

1337
01:17:29,900 --> 01:17:32,700
killed her children.
I had gotten away with murder.

1338
01:17:32,700 --> 01:17:36,200
Hmm.
That's going to come up later.

1339
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:40,900
Closing arguments happen.
Williford dramatically asked the

1340
01:17:40,900 --> 01:17:44,000
jury to sit in silence for the
three minutes that would have

1341
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:46,200
taken for each of the children
to die.

1342
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:51,600
I know very dramatic parnham,
just decided to reiterate what

1343
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:54,200
the psychiatrist said and let
their work speak for him.

1344
01:17:55,500 --> 01:17:58,700
The jury deliberated for three
hours and returned with a

1345
01:17:58,700 --> 01:18:03,600
verdict on March 12th. 2002
Andrea was guilty, Rusty cried

1346
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:06,300
in the courtroom.
Andrea tried to give her brother

1347
01:18:06,300 --> 01:18:09,900
Brian a smile.
But cried as they, let her out

1348
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:13,000
the nation debated, whether she
could have death penalty or not.

1349
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:17,000
Every imaginable concept was run
through the verdict was unfair.

1350
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:19,100
Give her life in prison.
The verdict is fair as you

1351
01:18:19,100 --> 01:18:21,600
deserve to die.
Would it have been different if

1352
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:25,000
the jurors had known about the
Not Guilty by insanity?

1353
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:26,100
You rolling.
Yes.

1354
01:18:26,100 --> 01:18:28,000
Why are they allowed to know
this information?

1355
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:29,700
They would have definitely been
different.

1356
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:34,700
And can I say something, I all
the psychologists in this, I

1357
01:18:34,700 --> 01:18:38,100
just noticed a Galaxy psychology
going on with it.

1358
01:18:38,100 --> 01:18:40,500
Just give me like a huge brain
boner.

1359
01:18:40,500 --> 01:18:43,500
Right now, I'm just learning all
this cool stuff.

1360
01:18:43,500 --> 01:18:44,800
It was like, oh my God.
Yes.

1361
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:47,300
Well, are you ready for this
bombshell?

1362
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:48,000
Yeah.
Go ahead.

1363
01:18:48,500 --> 01:18:52,000
The defense discover that Park
Dietz.

1364
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:55,800
Lied.
That episode of Law & Order that

1365
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:59,200
he was sure that Andrea had seen
in told him about never

1366
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:02,200
happened.
And the best part about this is

1367
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:05,100
the reason why they even found
out about this is because of one

1368
01:19:05,100 --> 01:19:09,400
of the women who wrote the book
because she was that, I read the

1369
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:13,300
one that came out in 2005.
I'm her name is Suzanne.

1370
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:16,600
I forget her last name that
fast.

1371
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:20,100
I've already mentioned her like
four times Suzanne O'Malley was

1372
01:19:20,100 --> 01:19:23,300
she like, I'm Dan Suzanne.
O'Malley was a writer for Law

1373
01:19:23,300 --> 01:19:25,700
and Order.
See her name and yes.

1374
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:29,900
Yes, Susie and O'Malley is a
writer for the writer, for Law

1375
01:19:29,900 --> 01:19:34,100
and Order and almost immediately
she could, she was working.

1376
01:19:34,100 --> 01:19:36,900
She was writing for this what
she's writing this book, but she

1377
01:19:36,900 --> 01:19:41,300
was also working for Oprah and
the New York Times covering the

1378
01:19:41,300 --> 01:19:44,500
case.
So she immediately was like, no,

1379
01:19:44,500 --> 01:19:48,600
I I checked with everyone who I
know who still writes on this

1380
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:52,200
show.
There's no episode about a woman

1381
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:54,900
killing her family in a bathtub
and getting away with murder.

1382
01:19:54,900 --> 01:19:58,000
Oh, you know.
Now they did release an episode

1383
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:02,200
about that in 2004, but that is
three years after this case,

1384
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:05,300
yeah, that happened later,
right?

1385
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:11,000
So that kind of crazy that's
wild.

1386
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:14,500
That one of the, the people
like, this is a former writer

1387
01:20:14,500 --> 01:20:17,800
for a An order who is also a at
this point.

1388
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:20,800
Honestly, I should just like
I've read a lot of Susan,

1389
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:23,000
O'Malley's books for these
podcasts.

1390
01:20:23,300 --> 01:20:25,900
I need to send her an email me.
Like you know, you want to be on

1391
01:20:25,900 --> 01:20:30,500
our podcast because I like you.
But I who knew that?

1392
01:20:30,500 --> 01:20:35,900
Like I didn't realize that that
like, that's why that detail,

1393
01:20:35,900 --> 01:20:41,300
the fact that this woman was
doing this case. is ultimately

1394
01:20:41,300 --> 01:20:47,800
the reason why this case gets
overturned, I don't mind that

1395
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:51,000
because die, I don't don't be
like, come on now.

1396
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:53,800
So the funny thing here is that
Dietz sends a letter and he's

1397
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:56,100
just like, I'm an error.
I guess Andrea.

1398
01:20:56,100 --> 01:20:59,100
Never told me about this, his
reputation does take a little

1399
01:20:59,100 --> 01:21:02,800
bit of a hit, but he is still
considered to be a renowned

1400
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:07,000
successful forensic psychiatrist
parnham and Odom, ask for a

1401
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:10,400
mistrial immediately but judge
held declines it.

1402
01:21:10,700 --> 01:21:12,200
I mean, it was just that one
line though.

1403
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:14,200
We can't blink cause a mistrial
for me.

1404
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:20,200
Yeah, really okay.
Leo that's bring the jury meets

1405
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:23,600
again, to discuss sentencing and
in under an hour actually was

1406
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:26,100
under 40 minutes.
They come back and they give her

1407
01:21:26,100 --> 01:21:31,200
life in prison option for parole
in 2041, the jury even like

1408
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:34,500
barely even discuss the death
penalty, which is exactly what

1409
01:21:34,500 --> 01:21:37,000
we were talking about earlier,
which is that we just do not

1410
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:39,200
want to put a mom in jail, like,
Mom on death row.

1411
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:43,800
Yeah.
Andrea didn't seem to really

1412
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:48,200
react Snooze in the courtroom.
She was sent to Mountain View

1413
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:50,500
unit which is a state.
Psychiatry president Eastern,

1414
01:21:50,500 --> 01:21:53,300
Texas.
Rusty did all manner of

1415
01:21:53,300 --> 01:21:55,500
interviews he could I'd his name
popped up.

1416
01:21:55,500 --> 01:21:58,900
So often in my research he
insisted his family had been a

1417
01:21:58,900 --> 01:22:02,800
victim of the poor mental health
system in the United States that

1418
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:06,600
he, he ignored that he had been
warned and said that Andrea had

1419
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:10,400
never properly been treated and
then he set up a website to

1420
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:13,500
describe his side of things and
show pictures of his family's

1421
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:14,800
and yes.
Yes, I did.

1422
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:17,900
Look up that website.
It's called Yates kids.org and

1423
01:22:17,900 --> 01:22:21,300
currently it is not working.
Look here, I want to call.

1424
01:22:21,500 --> 01:22:25,800
I want to call.
Now, many people believe like

1425
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:32,000
you, I'm dying, many, many
people believe like you though,

1426
01:22:32,500 --> 01:22:35,600
that Rusty was culpable and
that's the fish.

1427
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:38,300
Absolutely others also said that
dr.

1428
01:22:38,300 --> 01:22:41,300
Sayed should have looked further
into her medical history and

1429
01:22:41,300 --> 01:22:43,900
maybe put her on the medicine
and she had been on a 99.

1430
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:48,000
In fact dozens of emails were
sent to the local Harris County,

1431
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:52,700
DA Chuck, Rosenthal to
investigate both of them, do

1432
01:22:52,700 --> 01:22:56,700
nice Rusty, repeatedly was just
like listen it was just an hour

1433
01:22:56,700 --> 01:22:57,700
and my mom was going to be
there.

1434
01:22:57,900 --> 01:22:58,800
An hour.
Yeah.

1435
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:00,500
But you know how long it takes
to kill somebody.

1436
01:23:01,100 --> 01:23:02,400
Not very long.
Really?

1437
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:04,300
It takes three minutes to drop
someone what this is.

1438
01:23:04,300 --> 01:23:06,500
Or at least the child green
children though.

1439
01:23:06,500 --> 01:23:08,500
This, what they charge her for
right to become children?

1440
01:23:09,100 --> 01:23:13,600
Yeah, one minute per Jack.
Yeah, actually, every year

1441
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:15,700
before summer camp, we have to
go through water, safety

1442
01:23:15,700 --> 01:23:21,800
training, and our head lifeguard
tells us that 30 seconds, that's

1443
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:25,000
how quickly a kid can receive
lose.

1444
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:27,000
So much oxygen at.
They have permanent brain

1445
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:28,300
damage.
Really.

1446
01:23:28,300 --> 01:23:29,900
Yep.
Scared the crap out of me.

1447
01:23:29,900 --> 01:23:31,700
The first year I ever started
working for them.

1448
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:33,500
Oh my God.
That's like 30 seconds.

1449
01:23:33,700 --> 01:23:36,900
Oh God.
What never let them out of your

1450
01:23:36,900 --> 01:23:39,700
sight when they're near water?
No, not at all terrifying.

1451
01:23:39,700 --> 01:23:40,700
Oh my God.
Okay.

1452
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:42,700
Well swimming.
This Rusty.

1453
01:23:42,700 --> 01:23:45,500
Blame the hospital and the
doctors he threatened to sue

1454
01:23:45,500 --> 01:23:48,900
them but there was no
investigation into Rusty and no

1455
01:23:48,900 --> 01:23:56,000
lawsuit.
Ultimately January 6, 2005.

1456
01:23:56,000 --> 01:24:02,600
So Three years.
After the initial verdict, the

1457
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:06,400
Texas court of appeals
overturns, Andrea sentence, dr.

1458
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:10,300
Parks Dietz, false statement,
had Prejudice, the jury, and

1459
01:24:10,300 --> 01:24:12,800
that was considered to be a
miscarriage of Justice.

1460
01:24:13,500 --> 01:24:16,700
Because essentially Dietz was
saying that she had

1461
01:24:16,700 --> 01:24:19,500
premeditated.
Like this was a premeditated

1462
01:24:19,500 --> 01:24:22,600
murder.
Okay, so, okay, so if they

1463
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:25,800
thought that she had planned
this ahead of time, yeah, and

1464
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:28,200
there's no way they were ever
going to consider.

1465
01:24:28,300 --> 01:24:32,200
That she was insane.
Prosecutors insisted.

1466
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:35,300
They did not purposefully
mislead the court but it didn't

1467
01:24:35,300 --> 01:24:38,500
matter.
January 9th, 2006, Andrea

1468
01:24:38,500 --> 01:24:41,600
submitted, a plea of Not Guilty.
By reason of insanity and on

1469
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:45,700
February 1st 2006, she was
granted release on bail on the

1470
01:24:45,700 --> 01:24:48,400
condition that she would stay at
a mental health facility and

1471
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:51,000
complete her treatment.
So she was actually allowed out

1472
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:53,100
of prison during the trial.
Okay?

1473
01:24:53,900 --> 01:24:58,200
July 25th, 2006 after three days
of deliberation, Andrea Yates

1474
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:02,000
Was found not guilty and
committed to the North Texas

1475
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:05,500
State Hospital at Vernon campus
about a year later.

1476
01:25:05,900 --> 01:25:09,500
She was deemed well enough to go
to a low-security facility and

1477
01:25:09,500 --> 01:25:13,900
Kerrville Texas where she has
been at the Kerrville state

1478
01:25:13,900 --> 01:25:17,000
hospital.
She's currently 56 years old and

1479
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:20,800
enjoys arts and crafts.
Nice Mystery of Life in there

1480
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:28,200
then yeah she the she could
potentially be released its

1481
01:25:28,300 --> 01:25:30,800
Highly unlikely that.
Yeah I don't think with

1482
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:33,900
everything that she went through
and how many years she went

1483
01:25:33,900 --> 01:25:40,800
untreated unfortunately, mental
like severe mental health stuff

1484
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:44,900
does change not your brain
chemistry, but it almost changes

1485
01:25:44,900 --> 01:25:50,200
like the way your brain works.
They have done, they've taken, I

1486
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:55,600
forget what those CAT scan.
Yes, cat-scans of people with

1487
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:59,000
different mental illnesses, and
compared those to people who are

1488
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:05,800
neurotypical and you're like,
your synapses fire differently.

1489
01:26:05,900 --> 01:26:09,300
Hmm.
Since we're being so open about

1490
01:26:09,300 --> 01:26:14,100
my mental health, this episode,
one of the things that I learned

1491
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:19,000
after having a very traumatic
childhood before I was adopted,

1492
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:22,600
is that I am consistently in
fight or flight mode.

1493
01:26:23,500 --> 01:26:28,000
My brain automatically assumes,
the worst thing is going to

1494
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,400
happen.
How can I navigate?

1495
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:33,900
How to deal with this?
And I am 33 years old.

1496
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:36,400
It's just something that I've
learned to deal with and that I

1497
01:26:36,407 --> 01:26:41,100
have, I cannot trust my instant
reaction to things.

1498
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:49,400
I have to stop and go.
You can work through this, this

1499
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:54,900
is not life or death, but
because when I was so little so

1500
01:26:54,900 --> 01:27:00,000
much was life and death and more
than likely when I was, my brain

1501
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:03,200
was forming itself and becoming
a big people brain.

1502
01:27:03,700 --> 01:27:08,300
I didn't get a chance to not
constantly be in that sense of

1503
01:27:08,300 --> 01:27:14,400
anxiety and fear as a kid.
I mean speaking from Like my

1504
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:18,600
son, like I can just see like
how all this.

1505
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:22,000
He's very anxious to is.
He does suffer from anxiety.

1506
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:26,500
He does and I can just see like,
if you learn how to deal with

1507
01:27:26,500 --> 01:27:27,900
it.
Exactly, if you didn't have any

1508
01:27:27,900 --> 01:27:31,700
help for it at all, then, you
know, then I can just see him

1509
01:27:31,700 --> 01:27:36,300
growing up with just.
Just two biggest, I don't know,

1510
01:27:36,300 --> 01:27:39,800
just having like a bad time.
Basically, the nice thing about

1511
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:44,900
it is that you have, you know,
sort, Help with this.

1512
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:47,900
Yes, you don't have to just be
anxious all the time.

1513
01:27:47,900 --> 01:27:50,500
It was amazing to me.
I'd like 28 years old.

1514
01:27:50,700 --> 01:27:55,300
I remember like telling my ex at
the time like do you know how

1515
01:27:55,300 --> 01:27:57,000
wonderful it is?
Not to worry about you all the

1516
01:27:57,000 --> 01:27:59,800
time because I just assumed
that, that was how all people

1517
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:03,800
were I assumed that if I called
like that normal, like the

1518
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:06,800
everybody freaked out when you
called your parent and they

1519
01:28:06,808 --> 01:28:10,100
didn't pick up the phone and
like, when I was a teenager, I

1520
01:28:10,100 --> 01:28:13,900
would call my parents repeatedly
over and over and over and Over

1521
01:28:13,900 --> 01:28:15,800
again.
If they weren't home on time, I

1522
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:18,600
was always afraid.
I didn't think I didn't think

1523
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:20,300
that was, I thought that was how
everybody was.

1524
01:28:20,300 --> 01:28:23,200
I thought that was normal.
And then all of a sudden I'm

1525
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:26,000
like it's not only it's you
know, so you have to constantly

1526
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:29,600
they call them automatic
negative thoughts, ants and you

1527
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:32,100
just have to learn how to
challenge your own brain.

1528
01:28:32,700 --> 01:28:37,700
And go is this is this as bad as
you're making it out to be?

1529
01:28:37,700 --> 01:28:40,700
Probably not need some bug spray
froz ants.

1530
01:28:40,700 --> 01:28:43,500
But remember we talked about how
Andrea Yates was.

1531
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:46,600
Suffering from depression and
things when she was a teenager.

1532
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:48,300
Yeah.
Or in middle school.

1533
01:28:48,500 --> 01:28:52,400
So, it's very likely that some
of these Pathways and things

1534
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:54,800
that she struggled, you know,
this was happening during her

1535
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:58,300
formative years to and the thing
is, your brain also doesn't stop

1536
01:28:58,300 --> 01:29:00,700
developing until you hit your
leg mid-20s.

1537
01:29:01,100 --> 01:29:05,800
So that's also when she first
met Rusty and she got

1538
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:08,400
indoctrinated into that weird
religion.

1539
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:12,000
So, all these things are going
on in her brain and she was

1540
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:15,800
constantly led to believe that.
I mean, it was honestly it

1541
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:19,200
sounds very cold like you and I
talked about cults every so

1542
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:21,800
often, it sounds very cult-like.
So I really doubt that she will

1543
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:24,600
probably ever be released but at
least she will have some

1544
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:27,600
semblance of A okay life.
Yeah, yeah.

1545
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:31,000
And that's, you know, that's the
best you can do is for her as

1546
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:33,800
for Rusty.
Hmm, he got divorced.

1547
01:29:33,900 --> 01:29:37,200
They, he filed for divorce in
2004 before her trial was

1548
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:39,300
overturned, he no longer works
for NASA.

1549
01:29:40,300 --> 01:29:44,500
He remarried in 2006 but has
since gotten divorced, they have

1550
01:29:44,500 --> 01:29:46,200
a little boy who is 12 years
old?

1551
01:29:46,500 --> 01:29:49,700
Hmm.
Apparently he calls Andrea once

1552
01:29:49,700 --> 01:29:54,400
a month and he visits her once a
year and they talk about the

1553
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:57,200
good times, okay?
Good times.

1554
01:29:58,400 --> 01:29:59,900
According to them.
Okay.

1555
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:02,900
And that's kind of how that goes
for the two of them.

1556
01:30:03,300 --> 01:30:05,600
Okay, this is lovely.
Yep.

1557
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:09,400
It's an interesting, like I
said, like this was a weird

1558
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:13,900
thing to discuss because we
still don't probably give enough

1559
01:30:13,900 --> 01:30:21,900
respect or acknowledgement to
women who have postpartum that

1560
01:30:21,900 --> 01:30:25,900
people really don't understand
that it especially, probably for

1561
01:30:25,900 --> 01:30:28,000
somebody who's never experienced
any of those.

1562
01:30:28,300 --> 01:30:30,700
And if thoughts or suicidal
ideation or things of that

1563
01:30:30,700 --> 01:30:36,300
nature, it's probably very scary
for somebody who has had never

1564
01:30:36,300 --> 01:30:40,500
had any mental health issues and
now all of a sudden, why do I

1565
01:30:40,508 --> 01:30:43,800
want to kill myself and my baby?
Yeah, you know.

1566
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:46,600
Yeah.
But if we did better with that

1567
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:49,800
we would probably save a lot of
children's lives and also women

1568
01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:54,600
to because it is, it's totally a
completely treatable issue.

1569
01:30:55,300 --> 01:30:59,500
You just have to one being a
place where you can tell people

1570
01:30:59,500 --> 01:31:04,600
about it and not feel guilty to
be able to get the medical care

1571
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:09,100
that you need and move.
You know, and then could get

1572
01:31:09,100 --> 01:31:12,500
that Continuous Care.
It's not, this is not a

1573
01:31:12,500 --> 01:31:15,100
one-and-done thing.
Nothing mental health-related is

1574
01:31:15,100 --> 01:31:20,000
one and no, no, no.
I'm sure anybody listening has

1575
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:24,500
any sort of diagnosis knows that
it's nonstop.

1576
01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:31,300
Yeah, I definitely will Freaky
refer to it as recovery, I'm

1577
01:31:31,300 --> 01:31:32,500
fine.
Most of the time.

1578
01:31:33,700 --> 01:31:38,400
Every once in a while say I'm
not and you just gotta work

1579
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:42,000
through those days.
Save but yeah like I said I

1580
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:46,000
started out being like there is
absolutely no justification for

1581
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:48,900
why a woman would kill her
children and as I was going

1582
01:31:48,900 --> 01:31:51,000
through these two different
books and all these noodles news

1583
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:55,500
articles like well yeah when I
got to the trial I was like I

1584
01:31:55,500 --> 01:31:57,200
don't know which side I want to
be.

1585
01:31:57,200 --> 01:32:00,700
All right now, right is because
on one hand you totally are like

1586
01:32:00,700 --> 01:32:03,300
oh these poor babies.
And on the other hand And you're

1587
01:32:03,300 --> 01:32:06,800
just like, poor Andrea.
Yeah.

1588
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:09,600
Let's did she ever have a
chance?

1589
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:14,300
Yeah, that's poor babies before.
So, if you are a Christian in

1590
01:32:14,300 --> 01:32:16,900
one of these weird
fundamentalist organizations,

1591
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:21,700
get out Brad, like being forced
to do that whole Barefoot

1592
01:32:21,700 --> 01:32:24,300
pregnant thing sounds like, oh,
just a raw deal.

1593
01:32:24,300 --> 01:32:26,600
What the hell is that?
That's where you just hang out.

1594
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:28,000
You know, you're barefoot and
pregnant.

1595
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:30,600
You cook in the kitchen and you
make babies, that's what they

1596
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:32,200
want.
The women to do is some of those

1597
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:34,000
work.
So just like a Housewife, pretty

1598
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:34,500
much.
Yeah.

1599
01:32:34,500 --> 01:32:36,600
Pretty much.
But a housewife with absolutely

1600
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:39,400
no power, like, it's really
interesting because like, I hear

1601
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:41,700
like the old, like black ladies
talk about, like, you know,

1602
01:32:41,700 --> 01:32:43,900
listen, I might have been at
home, but I was in charge of the

1603
01:32:43,900 --> 01:32:45,900
house, right?
Of course, in their churches,

1604
01:32:45,900 --> 01:32:47,500
you're at home and you're not in
charge.

1605
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:52,100
Oh, basically a slave.
Yeah, pretty much popping out

1606
01:32:52,100 --> 01:32:54,700
babies like, you know, my
grandma would have been like,

1607
01:32:54,700 --> 01:32:57,700
listen, he comes home and he
gives the check to me and then I

1608
01:32:57,700 --> 01:33:01,100
make sure all the bills are paid
and I give him some of his money

1609
01:33:01,100 --> 01:33:04,300
back so he can do what he wants.
Was this all goes.

1610
01:33:04,300 --> 01:33:06,000
So yeah.
That's I mean that's how it is

1611
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:08,600
sometimes with these you know
because Who would know what the

1612
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:11,400
house needs better than the
person who's there all the time.

1613
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:14,400
Absolutely.
But regardless, oh my God, it

1614
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:17,700
was a, it was a pretty intense.
That was, yeah, that was a

1615
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:20,100
roller coaster.
It.

1616
01:33:20,300 --> 01:33:22,200
There you go.
That's what we're going to say.

1617
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:24,300
It was a fucking roller coaster
ride.

1618
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:40,500
Oh my God.
What do you have for me today?

1619
01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:49,900
All right, so I know a lot of
people may know that me and

1620
01:33:49,900 --> 01:33:55,800
Brittany Live in Pennsylvania.
We do.

1621
01:33:55,900 --> 01:33:59,100
Yeah and a lot of my friends
listen to the podcast and it

1622
01:33:59,100 --> 01:34:02,200
mean when they can and know a
lot of you know your people who

1623
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:05,500
listen to the podcast too.
So oh yes my friends from

1624
01:34:05,500 --> 01:34:08,000
Lancaster listen to us.
Yeah there you go some of your

1625
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:10,500
co-workers right?
Oh yeah and some people I work

1626
01:34:10,500 --> 01:34:16,200
with to worry about that.
My-my boss will randomly be like

1627
01:34:16,300 --> 01:34:19,700
and then you were talking about
and I'm like you're right you're

1628
01:34:19,700 --> 01:34:26,000
right that's what we say.
But we do often mention that we

1629
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:29,700
are from central Pennsylvania.
I know we like you mentioned it

1630
01:34:29,700 --> 01:34:31,600
like another, that's good or
not, you never know.

1631
01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:34,100
And people don't know where
central Pennsylvania is there.

1632
01:34:34,100 --> 01:34:35,500
Like, what the hell central
Pennsylvania?

1633
01:34:35,500 --> 01:34:38,600
Like you not at all Adelphia
friggin truth.

1634
01:34:40,900 --> 01:34:43,800
This is true.
Well today, I'll be bringing you

1635
01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:48,000
some urban legends and /
hauntings from our little neck

1636
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:49,600
of the woods.
Oh that's lovely.

1637
01:34:49,700 --> 01:34:54,600
And that may be new to some and
who chew others.

1638
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:57,700
I mean I'm pretty sure everybody
from around the area they know

1639
01:34:57,700 --> 01:35:02,200
all of the legends from the
area.

1640
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:07,900
Oh most of the info was brought
to me by a very good friend of

1641
01:35:07,907 --> 01:35:14,400
mine named is Christine and this
lady.

1642
01:35:15,100 --> 01:35:18,800
She she basically like helped me
when I first started skating.

1643
01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:22,900
Oh cool.
So my roller derby career.

1644
01:35:22,900 --> 01:35:25,800
Yeah.
And she's always down the skate

1645
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:31,900
whenever if she's free that's
important.

1646
01:35:31,900 --> 01:35:35,600
But yeah, yeah, like I asked
her, you know, what are some

1647
01:35:36,500 --> 01:35:39,700
local Tales from your - would I
could talk.

1648
01:35:39,900 --> 01:35:43,000
About and like she gave me like
this whole as she blew up my

1649
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:48,800
messenger about this only pixel.
Like I think one from her whole

1650
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:51,700
list because other ones I like I
can talk about this but it'd

1651
01:35:51,700 --> 01:35:56,800
probably be like too long.
Well, okay, yeah, I don't know.

1652
01:35:56,900 --> 01:36:00,000
But whatever, I'm pretty sure
she's listening so.

1653
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:02,100
Hi Christine, thanks for the
info.

1654
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:05,900
Hi.
Christine All right.

1655
01:36:05,900 --> 01:36:08,200
Now we're giving out our actual
location.

1656
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:11,200
We don't need stalkers at all.
Amen.

1657
01:36:11,900 --> 01:36:14,200
I'll be talking about different
stories from different cities

1658
01:36:14,200 --> 01:36:18,700
and Central PA, or I think one's
actually not in Central PA is

1659
01:36:18,700 --> 01:36:22,400
the one, the last one I'm going
to be telling you, but two are

1660
01:36:22,400 --> 01:36:25,100
from central Pennsylvania.
Oh, interesting.

1661
01:36:25,100 --> 01:36:28,500
I don't know.
Like okay, you don't know a lot

1662
01:36:28,500 --> 01:36:30,800
from Central think.
I know some about some of the

1663
01:36:30,900 --> 01:36:34,100
the far reaches of our state,
you know, up near Eerie, you

1664
01:36:34,108 --> 01:36:37,200
don't know anything from From
our, I don't think so huh.

1665
01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:40,900
Okay.
And I also won't be talking

1666
01:36:40,900 --> 01:36:45,800
about Gettysburg because one
that's Gettysburg has too many

1667
01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:49,400
fucking ghost stories choose
from and to everybody knows

1668
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:51,700
Gettysburg.
Yeah, his Holiness fuck.

1669
01:36:51,700 --> 01:36:54,700
So.
All right.

1670
01:36:56,800 --> 01:37:00,800
Okay, so wait, have you heard of
seven?

1671
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:02,400
Gates of?
Hell yes.

1672
01:37:02,500 --> 01:37:06,000
Okay great.
I was going to tell you that one

1673
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:10,800
first, but, It's a, I mean you
can still tell the people I was

1674
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:14,000
gonna tell tell I was just going
to go over it because it's not

1675
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:17,500
like something as not like
something I wrote down those

1676
01:37:17,500 --> 01:37:21,500
ones where I feel like every
okay, I hate to say it this way.

1677
01:37:21,500 --> 01:37:27,500
But like every middle of like
nowhere, place kind of has won

1678
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:30,700
the user have something like
this or like the portal to

1679
01:37:30,700 --> 01:37:33,000
portal to hell, or some shit.
Like yeah.

1680
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:35,800
Like I think New Jersey has some
type of shit like that.

1681
01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:37,900
Yeah, everyone always has like a
place.

1682
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:44,400
I swear, if you go through it,
things will happen, well, always

1683
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:48,300
wanted to go.
There's no such place.

1684
01:37:49,200 --> 01:37:53,900
I mean there is but there's not
I can get to it later but not

1685
01:37:53,900 --> 01:37:55,100
really wanna get into it right
now.

1686
01:37:55,200 --> 01:37:59,000
I wanted to be real, it's sort
of real but its not real.

1687
01:37:59,300 --> 01:38:02,900
It's not I don't know how else
to explain it.

1688
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:05,700
Anyway, let's start off with one
story.

1689
01:38:05,900 --> 01:38:09,800
That oh, by the way, this story
like you said everywhere has a

1690
01:38:09,808 --> 01:38:13,800
place like this.
Basically, everywhere everywhere

1691
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:18,500
has a place like this one too.
And this is place a place that

1692
01:38:18,500 --> 01:38:21,900
many people had tested out and
there seems to be an answer for

1693
01:38:21,900 --> 01:38:27,100
it, so yeah.
Stop.

1694
01:38:27,500 --> 01:38:29,500
Stop it.
Christian is also tested this

1695
01:38:29,500 --> 01:38:31,800
out.
I think I know what this is.

1696
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:32,500
Oh my God.
Continue.

1697
01:38:33,100 --> 01:38:35,900
Okay, Louis Barre.
Pennsylvania.

1698
01:38:36,700 --> 01:38:43,500
Now this one is, I think it's
off of Route. 83 there's a hill

1699
01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:48,600
and if you just so happen to a,
put your car in neutral at the

1700
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:53,300
bottom of this hill, it will
seem to roll backwards up the

1701
01:38:53,300 --> 01:38:57,900
hill as this the The one with
the handprint.

1702
01:38:57,900 --> 01:38:59,600
Yeah, on your car?
Okay, sure is.

1703
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:02,400
So I have heard about these.
I just didn't realize they were

1704
01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:05,300
in Pennsylvania.
I heard about this like in like

1705
01:39:05,300 --> 01:39:07,700
Virginia.
Well, this is called Gravity

1706
01:39:07,700 --> 01:39:11,600
Hill and like, like you said,
Virginia.

1707
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:14,200
This isn't the only one in
Pennsylvania and like, there are

1708
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:17,200
two other places in Pennsylvania
with gravity hills.

1709
01:39:17,300 --> 01:39:21,800
Oh, and this isn't the only
place in America that has a

1710
01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:23,600
Gravity Hill.
Oh, okay.

1711
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:29,500
Then like, Over the place.
That would explain that then no.

1712
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:34,500
But this one is close to home.
So, I know totally.

1713
01:39:34,900 --> 01:39:36,800
So this is the one that your
friend is actually.

1714
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:42,100
Yeah, absolutely experienced.
Now, there is, of course, a

1715
01:39:42,100 --> 01:39:45,700
legend behind this from what I
could piece together.

1716
01:39:46,900 --> 01:39:52,800
There was a school bus that
whose brakes just gave out and

1717
01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:56,000
bus, just rolled into the
intersection down this road and

1718
01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:59,100
of course, I got into an
accident and the children on

1719
01:39:59,100 --> 01:40:00,600
board.
All died.

1720
01:40:01,500 --> 01:40:04,200
Poor babies.
Poor baby for babies.

1721
01:40:04,200 --> 01:40:06,900
Yes.
Now, if you happen to try it,

1722
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:11,900
it's said that the reason why
the car moves backwards is

1723
01:40:11,900 --> 01:40:15,700
because the children from the
accident are said to be the

1724
01:40:15,700 --> 01:40:17,700
ones.
Pushing your car back from the

1725
01:40:17,700 --> 01:40:19,800
intersection to save you from
their fate.

1726
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:23,300
Yep.
Remember hearing about this one

1727
01:40:23,300 --> 01:40:24,400
is a kid.
Yeah.

1728
01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:30,200
Now, our gravity hills and I'm
pretty sure any other Gravity

1729
01:40:30,200 --> 01:40:33,400
Hill is actually just an optical
illusion.

1730
01:40:33,900 --> 01:40:38,800
Oh yeah, it makes you.
It makes it seem like you're

1731
01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:41,300
rolling backwards uphill when
you're inside the car.

1732
01:40:41,700 --> 01:40:42,700
That's it.
Yeah.

1733
01:40:43,100 --> 01:40:49,000
Huh I don't like I talk to
Christine, she said she didn't

1734
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:52,700
test out the handprint thing
because her car was white.

1735
01:40:55,900 --> 01:40:57,900
So she didn't see any hand
prints on the car.

1736
01:40:58,100 --> 01:41:00,300
I mean, she could put a little,
you know, brown dirt on it.

1737
01:41:00,300 --> 01:41:02,500
Rub it around a little bit.
Yeah get your Carter.

1738
01:41:02,500 --> 01:41:06,600
Yeah, listen for science.
Christine for Sian my God.

1739
01:41:08,100 --> 01:41:13,300
So apparently, the one in the
lose, Barry is the best one to

1740
01:41:13,300 --> 01:41:15,600
visit in Pennsylvania.
Hmm.

1741
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:19,800
Because you can't like what I
read for.

1742
01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:23,600
His one article is that the
other two gravity hills you can

1743
01:41:23,600 --> 01:41:28,200
see the optical illusion like
you can see how it how it does

1744
01:41:28,200 --> 01:41:29,800
it when you're outside of the
car.

1745
01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:32,200
I'm actually really interested
in seeing the Illusion part of

1746
01:41:32,200 --> 01:41:33,200
this.
Yeah I do.

1747
01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:36,600
I got a like it's the thing that
we don't we might have to do but

1748
01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:39,500
I don't want to do it.
It and I'll tell you why it's do

1749
01:41:39,500 --> 01:41:42,300
during the daytime.
I'll tell you why.

1750
01:41:43,400 --> 01:41:51,100
So, It's also advised to use as
much caution as you can sense

1751
01:41:51,100 --> 01:41:54,700
this gravity.
He'll lose Barry is on a busy

1752
01:41:54,700 --> 01:41:58,000
road.
Well actually never mind that

1753
01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:00,100
we're not going to like, put
ourselves in actual danger.

1754
01:42:00,100 --> 01:42:02,300
No, no.
I actually like the two roads

1755
01:42:02,300 --> 01:42:05,800
that at the intersection is on
our two busy roads.

1756
01:42:06,200 --> 01:42:10,900
So, it's advised to do this,
which makes sense because the

1757
01:42:10,900 --> 01:42:12,900
legend is about like a car
accident.

1758
01:42:12,900 --> 01:42:15,300
So, like, don't cause a car
accident, you know, you're

1759
01:42:15,300 --> 01:42:18,000
trying to do.
This thing, like if you visit

1760
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:21,100
PA, you can go to lose.
Barry PA just be and you look

1761
01:42:21,100 --> 01:42:27,000
for this Gravity Hill.
Please be cautious because you

1762
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:28,800
don't want to cause another
accident and we don't want to be

1763
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:30,700
title.
Telling ghost stories about your

1764
01:42:30,700 --> 01:42:37,100
ass.
Oh, also, I want I want to

1765
01:42:37,108 --> 01:42:41,700
mention that this story in the
next one will be telling they

1766
01:42:41,700 --> 01:42:45,300
are not advertised at all, by
the towns.

1767
01:42:45,800 --> 01:42:49,500
Like they like nobody
advertisers, that know these are

1768
01:42:49,500 --> 01:42:51,600
things.
You like, I'm pretty sure I

1769
01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:53,800
heard about these or read about
these randomly.

1770
01:42:53,800 --> 01:42:57,700
When I was like a teenager
reading like spooky forums and

1771
01:42:57,700 --> 01:43:02,200
stuff and people talking about
doing things haunted houses in

1772
01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:05,400
Pennsylvania.
You know, haunted Has stuff like

1773
01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:07,900
that.
Yeah, because nobody ever wants

1774
01:43:07,900 --> 01:43:10,500
like nobody who lives there.
Once randoms coming.

1775
01:43:10,500 --> 01:43:13,500
No, no, they don't.
No not at all.

1776
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:16,500
Please don't ya.
Oh goodness.

1777
01:43:16,700 --> 01:43:19,200
Okay, so next door that was
Story.

1778
01:43:19,200 --> 01:43:23,400
One number two, I'm pretty sure
you're going to notice one as

1779
01:43:23,407 --> 01:43:24,600
soon as I start talking about
it.

1780
01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:29,900
Okay, so if you play horror
video games, like me and

1781
01:43:29,900 --> 01:43:33,800
Brittany do.
Yes, once again, I am bringing

1782
01:43:33,800 --> 01:43:37,300
up games.
Because the center, this is just

1783
01:43:37,300 --> 01:43:39,500
what we do, this is what you,
this is what I do like video

1784
01:43:39,500 --> 01:43:41,900
games and if they, you know,
connect with stuff I want to

1785
01:43:41,900 --> 01:43:43,500
talk about, I won't talk about
it.

1786
01:43:44,700 --> 01:43:47,700
So if you know anything about
video games, horror video games,

1787
01:43:47,700 --> 01:43:52,200
you might know this one as well,
and Columbia County.

1788
01:43:52,700 --> 01:43:57,100
There's a near ghost town with a
population of nine.

1789
01:43:57,100 --> 01:44:01,600
As of 2019, it just sort.
It was 12:00.

1790
01:44:02,500 --> 01:44:05,700
Yes, as a population.
You gave me a look like you

1791
01:44:05,700 --> 01:44:07,900
already knew what I was talking.
Everybody knows about this.

1792
01:44:08,200 --> 01:44:12,800
Of course it's name is
Centralia, Centralia,

1793
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:17,600
Pennsylvania and it is what they
base, Silent Hill.

1794
01:44:17,900 --> 01:44:21,100
Well, the movie, the movie and
the game, actually, the first, I

1795
01:44:21,100 --> 01:44:23,300
don't remember, I didn't know
that the game was based on.

1796
01:44:23,300 --> 01:44:26,100
This is the, the first game was
based off of it too.

1797
01:44:27,100 --> 01:44:29,400
I know the movie was definitely
based off of it is not a movie.

1798
01:44:29,400 --> 01:44:31,800
Definitely, they totally pulled
everything.

1799
01:44:31,800 --> 01:44:36,300
Oh, yeah, absolutely. now, if
you don't know what Silent Hill

1800
01:44:36,300 --> 01:44:40,700
is, Google it.
I'm not telling you about it.

1801
01:44:40,700 --> 01:44:44,000
No no this is worth.
This is worth talking about

1802
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:48,600
Silent Hill was one of the I
would say one of the forerunners

1803
01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:51,100
of survival Horror.
Oh yeah.

1804
01:44:51,100 --> 01:44:55,400
I mean you walked through this.
You were a man on a quest for

1805
01:44:55,400 --> 01:44:56,700
your daughter.
Yeah.

1806
01:44:57,000 --> 01:45:00,400
In this town that you'd never
heard of before called Silent

1807
01:45:00,400 --> 01:45:04,000
Hill and one of the interesting
things about the game itself was

1808
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:08,200
that the game engine that the
time could not, Render the

1809
01:45:08,200 --> 01:45:13,200
entire game at the same time,
not like now where it loads a

1810
01:45:13,200 --> 01:45:16,500
whole level in 30 seconds, it
would load as you were walking.

1811
01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:21,900
So what they did to allow the
game to slowly render and you

1812
01:45:21,900 --> 01:45:25,900
not to be aware of, it was the
entire town is covered in fog.

1813
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:28,300
Yes.
And as you walk through the fog,

1814
01:45:28,600 --> 01:45:33,300
it just gave a great Ambiance
and experience and just straight

1815
01:45:33,300 --> 01:45:36,400
chills of you not knowing and
then your guy had a little

1816
01:45:36,400 --> 01:45:39,300
radio.
And the radio would begin to

1817
01:45:39,300 --> 01:45:43,000
like get staticky when it was
somewhere near a monster.

1818
01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:45,200
But of course, you couldn't tell
where it was coming from because

1819
01:45:45,200 --> 01:45:47,800
you are walking through the fog.
It was very sick.

1820
01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:49,700
It's wonderful.
The story itself is a little

1821
01:45:49,700 --> 01:45:53,400
weird, but yeah, as they
progressed as the movies and

1822
01:45:53,400 --> 01:45:55,600
games per guest to get some
more, we're not talking about

1823
01:45:55,600 --> 01:45:58,000
the game and the movies, every,
it's is worth it for the first

1824
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:00,100
one alone.
Absolutely the first, and second

1825
01:46:00,100 --> 01:46:01,400
one, actually, I like those
bills.

1826
01:46:01,500 --> 01:46:06,000
Yeah.
But yet, now, you ask, why is

1827
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:07,300
this basement on the hill?
Is it?

1828
01:46:07,400 --> 01:46:09,300
Because there's a pyramid headed
dude.

1829
01:46:09,300 --> 01:46:11,000
Stalking around with a huge
sword.

1830
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:12,100
Nope.
No.

1831
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:15,900
It's because of the coal fire
burning beneath the town.

1832
01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:21,500
Yep.
Back in 1966, a fire started and

1833
01:46:21,500 --> 01:46:27,000
one of the coal mining towns.
Well I guess one of the and not

1834
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:28,100
going to say one of the cool
money.

1835
01:46:28,600 --> 01:46:32,200
Yeah there you go.
Officials had tried to light a

1836
01:46:32,200 --> 01:46:36,500
fire there too.
I guess control something and it

1837
01:46:36,500 --> 01:46:40,400
got out of control.
Troll and it hit a coal vein and

1838
01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:45,000
which led down to the mine in.
Control burns aren't entirely

1839
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:48,500
all that like new.
It's, it's something that places

1840
01:46:48,500 --> 01:46:51,300
that have a lot of wildfires and
things do consistently but I

1841
01:46:51,308 --> 01:46:53,200
guess they just didn't do a good
job.

1842
01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:55,900
No because it destroyed the
entire town.

1843
01:46:56,000 --> 01:47:00,800
I sure as fuck did.
So as I went down to the mine

1844
01:47:00,900 --> 01:47:06,100
deep in the mind it slowly began
to spread I can't remember.

1845
01:47:06,300 --> 01:47:07,300
I'm sure you probably wrote
this.

1846
01:47:07,400 --> 01:47:10,000
This down how long they think
this is going to be burning for

1847
01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:13,600
because it's already been, like
70, 80 years, isn't it?

1848
01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:15,300
It's been 50 years.
It's been 50 years.

1849
01:47:15,300 --> 01:47:16,500
Okay.
How long are they think it's

1850
01:47:16,500 --> 01:47:18,600
going to continue burning on?
They said it can burn for like

1851
01:47:18,600 --> 01:47:20,900
another Century.
Holy crap, if it's not contain,

1852
01:47:20,900 --> 01:47:23,900
so we'll be long gone before
this is Dunya.

1853
01:47:25,400 --> 01:47:27,600
But the cool thing is that
people do in Pennsylvania.

1854
01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:29,800
At least that I've seen people
do is during winter.

1855
01:47:30,100 --> 01:47:32,500
They go out there.
It's like a six hour drive for

1856
01:47:32,500 --> 01:47:35,900
us.
It's real far away, is it?

1857
01:47:35,900 --> 01:47:39,100
I heard it was way, way way.
Way out and the road to get

1858
01:47:39,100 --> 01:47:40,700
there.
Now has been destroyed.

1859
01:47:41,200 --> 01:47:43,600
Britney, you know, how to get
there?

1860
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:46,800
Brittany, mr.
Ransome, yes, you're really with

1861
01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:48,800
deep story.
Oh, I'm sorry.

1862
01:47:51,500 --> 01:47:53,000
I thought it was really far away
though.

1863
01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:56,900
No, it's in Colombia now I got
it to a GPS.

1864
01:47:57,000 --> 01:48:00,100
We're gonna tear your story ygp.
Oh my god.

1865
01:48:02,100 --> 01:48:07,100
Oh so since the fire burns so
deeply there's no real way to

1866
01:48:07,100 --> 01:48:12,100
control it or contain it soon on
the ground fire.

1867
01:48:12,300 --> 01:48:18,000
Reach the actual Town causing
the roads to split and crack and

1868
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:20,500
toxic smoke would start
spreading start.

1869
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:24,300
Being out of the cracks air
quality, started getting

1870
01:48:24,300 --> 01:48:29,500
dangerous and it took about 20
years before the government gave

1871
01:48:29,500 --> 01:48:34,500
the order to evacuate town.
Now, there are very few

1872
01:48:34,500 --> 01:48:41,100
buildings left in the town,
including a church, which is,

1873
01:48:41,100 --> 01:48:43,500
I'm pretty sure they based the
movie, Silent Hill awful.

1874
01:48:43,500 --> 01:48:45,800
Because there's a church in
there and that was the only safe

1875
01:48:45,800 --> 01:48:49,200
place for them to be in.
Yeah, you're right and the

1876
01:48:49,200 --> 01:48:53,200
church there is one thing.
I've been back in this area for

1877
01:48:53,200 --> 01:48:56,200
so long.
Not knowing that Centralia is

1878
01:48:56,200 --> 01:48:58,900
like an hour and change away.
I told you, it's me.

1879
01:48:58,900 --> 01:49:01,300
Could have gone there any time
now?

1880
01:49:01,300 --> 01:49:04,000
We gotta wait till next winter.
Not really.

1881
01:49:05,900 --> 01:49:10,100
No.
So a part of the central area is

1882
01:49:10,700 --> 01:49:12,900
the graffiti Highway.
Oh, yeah.

1883
01:49:12,900 --> 01:49:18,100
Yeah, I heard about that.
Yeah, it was once Route 61 now

1884
01:49:18,100 --> 01:49:21,900
in abandoned highway where
everyone has been except for me.

1885
01:49:21,900 --> 01:49:23,400
Apparently, we gotta go.
Yeah.

1886
01:49:23,400 --> 01:49:26,300
And Brittany, I guess, we take
my friend Jenna.

1887
01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:30,400
Yeah, in general joke.
Oh, you know what we can't?

1888
01:49:32,200 --> 01:49:34,800
You could see, like, if you look
at pictures, I was in pictures.

1889
01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:37,500
Okay, as you can see like the
splitting of the highway where

1890
01:49:37,500 --> 01:49:42,300
we were, the fire has reached in
just a cracks and sometimes

1891
01:49:42,300 --> 01:49:46,400
actually smoke Rises up from it.
That's the part I want to see

1892
01:49:48,700 --> 01:49:52,800
well as of last year we're not
gonna be able to see it.

1893
01:49:53,500 --> 01:49:57,600
The highway was planned to be
covered with dirt and have other

1894
01:49:57,600 --> 01:50:00,700
things that have a trees and
other plants planted on it,

1895
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:02,400
right.
I heard that it was going to

1896
01:50:02,400 --> 01:50:07,200
just become a big like place but
Then what is a road?

1897
01:50:07,200 --> 01:50:11,200
But a place that people just go,
like if we just go there with

1898
01:50:11,200 --> 01:50:13,400
you guys.
Yeah, we just gone drive through

1899
01:50:13,400 --> 01:50:16,600
the grass, but it's not a
highway anymore.

1900
01:50:16,600 --> 01:50:19,500
It was just my way anymore.
It's just a big old thing.

1901
01:50:19,500 --> 01:50:22,500
Also did that get like, you
know, pushed to the side because

1902
01:50:22,500 --> 01:50:26,100
the Covenant, I'm not sure, I
didn't see, we might still be

1903
01:50:26,100 --> 01:50:28,200
able to go before they do it
when he was article.

1904
01:50:28,200 --> 01:50:30,100
I read about it.
I didn't say anything about it.

1905
01:50:30,100 --> 01:50:32,900
Being pushed back because in
2020 when they posted it, right?

1906
01:50:32,900 --> 01:50:34,400
They didn't say anything about
it was an April.

1907
01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:39,700
When they actually We had.
Actually, it was back in, you

1908
01:50:39,700 --> 01:50:41,400
know, what's weird.
We have a couple of different

1909
01:50:41,400 --> 01:50:43,700
abandoned highways, there's
another one.

1910
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:47,600
There's another one that's like
right sort of next to a highway.

1911
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:49,800
Yes.
Abandon turnpike I think it's a

1912
01:50:49,808 --> 01:50:53,400
part of the turnpike that just
starts turning off and then goes

1913
01:50:53,400 --> 01:50:54,400
nowhere.
Yeah.

1914
01:50:54,400 --> 01:50:58,600
And it's like why do we do this?
Look government.

1915
01:51:00,200 --> 01:51:02,600
I've definitely seen one before
and I'm like oh they're going to

1916
01:51:02,608 --> 01:51:04,400
finish that and the answer is
no.

1917
01:51:05,500 --> 01:51:08,400
Definitely not.
It's abandon and there's just a

1918
01:51:08,407 --> 01:51:13,100
nice under past that, you know,
people like to hang out and I

1919
01:51:13,100 --> 01:51:14,300
won't be there.
Exactly.

1920
01:51:14,300 --> 01:51:19,200
So you All right, so that way,
we know now is officially nobody

1921
01:51:19,200 --> 01:51:21,400
there, because a couple years
ago, there were like 10 people

1922
01:51:21,400 --> 01:51:22,300
still there.
Yeah.

1923
01:51:22,300 --> 01:51:25,900
That was in 2000, was the 2019
when what I read that the

1924
01:51:25,900 --> 01:51:29,300
population was, I'm not sure if
anyway, so I would probably

1925
01:51:29,300 --> 01:51:32,000
still go to the ghost town.
Yeah, that's where I want to go.

1926
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:34,300
I don't want to see the highway
but we probably can't get to the

1927
01:51:34,308 --> 01:51:39,400
highway, okay, because it's
probably covered by dirt by now,

1928
01:51:39,800 --> 01:51:43,100
let's see population 9 as a
20-19.

1929
01:51:43,100 --> 01:51:45,300
I guess we'll find out soon
because the census was just

1930
01:51:45,300 --> 01:51:45,900
done.
Yes.

1931
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:48,600
It's true.
So if nobody is there anymore, I

1932
01:51:48,600 --> 01:51:51,400
guess there was no wonderful.
Census report out.

1933
01:51:51,400 --> 01:51:52,700
Yeah.
We'll see.

1934
01:51:52,700 --> 01:51:55,100
We'll see.
But you know, that's a cool.

1935
01:51:55,100 --> 01:51:57,200
I yeah.
I forgot about the graffiti

1936
01:51:57,200 --> 01:52:01,000
Highway though.
That's like the anything know

1937
01:52:01,000 --> 01:52:03,600
what I've always wanted to do is
that people go and they take

1938
01:52:03,600 --> 01:52:05,300
pictures there and wintertime.
Yeah.

1939
01:52:05,400 --> 01:52:08,800
Because the steam coming out of
the ground is extra visible.

1940
01:52:08,800 --> 01:52:10,800
When it's so cold.
This is true.

1941
01:52:10,900 --> 01:52:13,400
And you take cool pictures.
I just remember being in high

1942
01:52:13,400 --> 01:52:16,600
school and I was, and I found
out and I Was telling people

1943
01:52:16,600 --> 01:52:18,000
about Silent.
Hills are like, you notice a

1944
01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:21,500
real Silent Hill, right?
And I was like what, where it'll

1945
01:52:21,500 --> 01:52:23,300
like Pennsylvania in
Pennsylvania.

1946
01:52:23,300 --> 01:52:25,300
I don't like where you're like,
Colombia.

1947
01:52:25,300 --> 01:52:27,400
It was like that's like a half
an hour away because I live in

1948
01:52:27,400 --> 01:52:28,800
Lancaster at this time.
Yeah.

1949
01:52:28,800 --> 01:52:30,100
I'm like that's a half an hour
away.

1950
01:52:30,100 --> 01:52:32,400
We can go there.
Anytime I noticed that I

1951
01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:34,400
realized was so close.
Yeah that's what they do.

1952
01:52:34,400 --> 01:52:38,000
Call it the real side of Hell to
I so surprising I remember after

1953
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:40,800
the movie came out reading
something that said that the

1954
01:52:40,800 --> 01:52:44,900
film was based off of central.
Yeah and then I had to learn

1955
01:52:44,900 --> 01:52:48,400
everything about it.
But I did forget about the

1956
01:52:48,400 --> 01:52:50,300
graffiti Highway used to be the
place where everybody would just

1957
01:52:50,300 --> 01:52:53,000
show up in chalk, all over
everything and graffiti all over

1958
01:52:53,000 --> 01:52:54,600
everything.
Absolutely.

1959
01:52:54,900 --> 01:52:58,900
That was a where our Urban
explorers were go.

1960
01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:01,900
Yeah, I'm not really into urban
exploring.

1961
01:53:02,300 --> 01:53:06,300
I'm here honest, there's a think
they're called, like, the proper

1962
01:53:06,300 --> 01:53:09,400
people or something on YouTube,
the something people, and they

1963
01:53:09,400 --> 01:53:11,900
go into places all around the
world that have been abandoned

1964
01:53:11,900 --> 01:53:14,900
and they get approval to go for
the most part occasionally, they

1965
01:53:14,900 --> 01:53:17,100
just do what they want.
But most of the time, they get

1966
01:53:17,100 --> 01:53:20,000
approval to go to these
locations and it's just so

1967
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:23,400
unnerving seeing something that
was once.

1968
01:53:24,900 --> 01:53:28,900
Flourishing recently, they went
to a movie theater, that was

1969
01:53:28,900 --> 01:53:32,400
only like 40 years old.
I had been abandoned I can't and

1970
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:37,800
it just looked so freaky.
Do you know how many freakin

1971
01:53:37,800 --> 01:53:40,600
abandoned, amusement parks are
in Pennsylvania, so many,

1972
01:53:40,600 --> 01:53:43,000
they've gone to some of those
too many.

1973
01:53:43,100 --> 01:53:45,300
There's so many ways and
Knoebels is still going.

1974
01:53:45,300 --> 01:53:49,200
Strong Scruples is going strong,
it's never gonna close go.

1975
01:53:49,200 --> 01:53:52,000
Heck noble people go there, man,
I go there more.

1976
01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:54,600
They go to Hershey Park.
I actually really like the

1977
01:53:54,600 --> 01:53:56,200
place.
It's just so freaking far away.

1978
01:53:56,200 --> 01:53:59,400
It really isn't like, well it's
a stupid long, dirt, an hour and

1979
01:53:59,400 --> 01:54:01,100
a half from here or something.
Not even.

1980
01:54:01,100 --> 01:54:03,500
I felt like when I was a kid, it
took forever to get there.

1981
01:54:03,500 --> 01:54:05,600
I'm sure in my little child
brain, that was like a six hour.

1982
01:54:05,800 --> 01:54:10,800
Drive.
I just wanna go to Knoebels

1983
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:14,600
again and sit inside that stupid
little cart for the haunted

1984
01:54:14,600 --> 01:54:18,800
house because I was so afraid
when I was little, look, we went

1985
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:19,600
there.
What time?

1986
01:54:19,600 --> 01:54:21,200
What year did we go there?
And it goes before.

1987
01:54:21,200 --> 01:54:23,900
Jaden was born.
Was the last time I went to

1988
01:54:23,907 --> 01:54:31,000
Knoebels and when you are babe I
was a young and what he was

1989
01:54:31,300 --> 01:54:32,400
here.
Early twenties.

1990
01:54:32,400 --> 01:54:33,500
Okay.
Yeah, true.

1991
01:54:33,500 --> 01:54:34,900
True true.
Listen.

1992
01:54:34,900 --> 01:54:36,800
I think I'll go.
I saw a picture of myself when I

1993
01:54:36,808 --> 01:54:38,700
was 23 and I was like, oh look
at my face.

1994
01:54:38,700 --> 01:54:43,000
I was such a baby.
So you when we later, all right,

1995
01:54:43,000 --> 01:54:46,100
yeah, we went to with there for,
like the first time for me, and

1996
01:54:46,100 --> 01:54:47,900
I went through the haunted
house, I was like this is some

1997
01:54:47,900 --> 01:54:51,000
bullshit.
I remember being terrified of it

1998
01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:53,000
as a kid.
I kept my eye screws almost the

1999
01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:55,800
whole time and I want to go
through and look at it as a

2000
01:54:55,800 --> 01:54:56,400
grownup.
Yeah.

2001
01:54:56,400 --> 01:55:00,500
I don't really do haunted houses
either because it's so I don't,

2002
01:55:00,700 --> 01:55:02,100
I just don't like people yelling
at me.

2003
01:55:02,100 --> 01:55:04,200
He's like, I don't like people
jumping out at me because I have

2004
01:55:04,200 --> 01:55:08,600
reflexes yelling at me for A
money and I have reflexes and my

2005
01:55:08,600 --> 01:55:11,400
reflexes might tell me the punch
you.

2006
01:55:11,400 --> 01:55:13,600
I don't know.
So I don't do those things

2007
01:55:13,900 --> 01:55:16,200
because I don't want to attack
somebody trying to draw, just

2008
01:55:16,200 --> 01:55:19,100
slide your around exactly fine.
But walking through a haunted

2009
01:55:19,100 --> 01:55:21,900
house or like that, Phil the
screens and stuff like that.

2010
01:55:22,100 --> 01:55:25,200
No, thank you.
I'm going to those because I

2011
01:55:25,200 --> 01:55:29,900
might go to jail for punching a
worker and I'm sorry.

2012
01:55:30,900 --> 01:55:34,800
Anyway, who's gonna do my final
story today?

2013
01:55:34,900 --> 01:55:38,200
I'm ready.
All right and what's

2014
01:55:38,200 --> 01:55:44,500
Pennsylvania?
There is or was is Pittsburgh

2015
01:55:44,500 --> 01:55:45,700
area.
Okay.

2016
01:55:45,900 --> 01:55:52,900
Um Western Pennsylvania there is
or was an urban legend of the

2017
01:55:52,900 --> 01:55:57,600
Green Man.
Also known as Charlie no, face.

2018
01:55:57,800 --> 01:55:59,600
I don't know this person.
Yeah, I know.

2019
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:05,400
It's good, it's good.
Yeah, I try to find ones that I

2020
01:56:05,400 --> 01:56:10,200
can't spoil, you know, I'm
trying, yeah, I'm sorry, like

2021
01:56:10,200 --> 01:56:13,200
all my stories, like Brittany's,
like, oh, wait a second, I do

2022
01:56:13,200 --> 01:56:15,500
this one.
Very exciting for me when I know

2023
01:56:15,500 --> 01:56:20,700
things.
Okay, so Legend, has it that?

2024
01:56:20,700 --> 01:56:28,500
There's a man that grows that
glows green due to a lightning

2025
01:56:28,500 --> 01:56:34,800
strike, or he was shocked by in
an industrial accident.

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01:56:34,900 --> 01:56:39,300
Who knows?
But we know actually, I know,

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01:56:39,700 --> 01:56:43,000
I'll tell you what.
Okay, apparently he would haunt

2028
01:56:43,000 --> 01:56:48,100
multiple places but like,
multiple spots were kids used to

2029
01:56:48,100 --> 01:56:51,100
hang out or people, you hang out
at, like Parks, her lookout

2030
01:56:51,100 --> 01:56:58,100
spots like that.
But that make out spa and he

2031
01:56:58,100 --> 01:57:01,500
would Chase off, you know,
parked cars and, you know,

2032
01:57:01,700 --> 01:57:05,700
people just loitering around the
place. now, some people call

2033
01:57:05,700 --> 01:57:13,400
this a legend, but This was an
actual person is, this was an

2034
01:57:13,400 --> 01:57:16,900
actual person walking around.
Was he just pretending to be a

2035
01:57:16,907 --> 01:57:19,100
haunted?
No, no, no.

2036
01:57:19,600 --> 01:57:25,200
Why was he great?
Um, so his name was Raymond

2037
01:57:25,500 --> 01:57:28,000
Robinson.
Okay, look him up.

2038
01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:31,400
Did Raymond, just not enjoy fun.
Is that the situation?

2039
01:57:31,400 --> 01:57:36,700
No, that's not why.
In 1919 when he was 8 years old,

2040
01:57:36,800 --> 01:57:40,300
Raymond was reaching for bird's
nest on On top of an electrical

2041
01:57:40,300 --> 01:57:45,400
pole when he was shocked with
11,000 volts of electricity,

2042
01:57:45,800 --> 01:57:51,000
which sent him falling to the
ground, the shock burn his face

2043
01:57:51,000 --> 01:57:55,900
and arms, leaving his eyes and
nose completely burned off or

2044
01:57:55,900 --> 01:57:58,700
out.
Oh yeah.

2045
01:57:59,400 --> 01:58:02,100
So it was actually is actual be
wasn't actual person.

2046
01:58:02,700 --> 01:58:07,200
Oh, this is sad.
So, even though this was a

2047
01:58:07,200 --> 01:58:10,700
terrible injury for him, he was
still in like, in good spirits.

2048
01:58:10,700 --> 01:58:14,200
He didn't let his injuries get
him down, there's actually get

2049
01:58:14,200 --> 01:58:19,000
him down.
Adulthood, he kept himself, he

2050
01:58:19,000 --> 01:58:22,500
kept himself home making wallets
belts you know during mads for

2051
01:58:22,500 --> 01:58:24,700
people just so he can make some
type of small income.

2052
01:58:24,700 --> 01:58:27,100
What?
He was a crafter.

2053
01:58:27,100 --> 01:58:33,700
Look, I love crafty people, he
really only left his house in a

2054
01:58:33,700 --> 01:58:37,800
dead of night.
To go for a walk as not to scare

2055
01:58:37,800 --> 01:58:42,100
people, not to scare anyone.
These are really, really

2056
01:58:42,100 --> 01:58:43,000
thoughtful.
Dude.

2057
01:58:43,600 --> 01:58:47,200
You really like against just
walk in all this Sudden somebody

2058
01:58:47,200 --> 01:58:51,100
screams and runs away.
Yeah, base terrible.

2059
01:58:52,500 --> 01:58:54,900
So this is when the story is
with start beginning.

2060
01:58:55,200 --> 01:59:00,900
When he's doing his walks, high
school, kids would see him

2061
01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:06,700
walking from the Cars along
Route 351 and they just gonna go

2062
01:59:06,700 --> 01:59:09,600
spread the word.
Is this guy, he's apparently he

2063
01:59:09,600 --> 01:59:13,200
was green because probably
because of his like, flannel

2064
01:59:13,200 --> 01:59:15,600
day, he was wearing.
Yeah, I just saw a picture, he's

2065
01:59:15,600 --> 01:59:18,000
wearing like a An army jacket.
Yeah, there you go.

2066
01:59:20,200 --> 01:59:21,400
See ya now.
Your right.

2067
01:59:21,400 --> 01:59:23,800
Is that, I guess it's a.
What is that fabric?

2068
01:59:24,400 --> 01:59:27,900
Yeah, like Dickies that like
fabric.

2069
01:59:27,900 --> 01:59:29,700
What is this like, you know like
those pants?

2070
01:59:30,200 --> 01:59:32,900
Yeah, khaki.
Yeah, Green khaki there.

2071
01:59:32,900 --> 01:59:35,000
Yeah, I couldn't figure out what
it was called.

2072
01:59:35,000 --> 01:59:36,700
Army fatigues or something.
There you go.

2073
01:59:36,700 --> 01:59:38,600
Yeah, he's wearing like, one of
those jackets.

2074
01:59:38,900 --> 01:59:41,400
Sure.
So many people knew Raymond,

2075
01:59:41,800 --> 01:59:46,600
many people who knew Raymond
were very friendly to him, even

2076
01:59:46,600 --> 01:59:51,000
offering him beer for his walks.
Or cigarettes, like a good time.

2077
01:59:51,000 --> 01:59:53,000
Like everybody who knew this
guy.

2078
01:59:53,500 --> 01:59:56,900
Super cool people.
People who didn't know Raymond,

2079
01:59:58,400 --> 02:00:01,100
they were scared of him.
Of course you don't see him for

2080
02:00:01,100 --> 02:00:03,200
the first time and they'd run
off and try to call the cops

2081
02:00:03,800 --> 02:00:08,900
saying.
There's some buddy out there and

2082
02:00:09,500 --> 02:00:12,500
you need to come get him.
But you know, his neighbors or

2083
02:00:12,500 --> 02:00:15,000
people in the neighborhood, they
would explain to these people.

2084
02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:17,100
Hey, don't call the cops.
It's just Raymond.

2085
02:00:17,400 --> 02:00:19,900
This is what happened to him on
use Only child and you know

2086
02:00:19,900 --> 02:00:21,700
this.
Why he looks like this now, no

2087
02:00:21,700 --> 02:00:23,600
reason to be no reason to be
afraid of him.

2088
02:00:23,600 --> 02:00:26,500
He's a cool guy.
All that good stuff.

2089
02:00:26,800 --> 02:00:31,400
Um, I guess now if you see him,
he's a fucking ghost.

2090
02:00:31,500 --> 02:00:39,600
Yeah, so some other people,
unfortunately, we're cruel, they

2091
02:00:39,600 --> 02:00:42,200
would give him rides.
They pick them up off the side

2092
02:00:42,200 --> 02:00:44,000
of the road when he's walking
like, hey, I'll give you a ride

2093
02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:46,800
home.
Only to take him somewhere, he

2094
02:00:46,800 --> 02:00:50,600
had no idea where he was going
because he was blind.

2095
02:00:51,400 --> 02:00:52,800
Yes.
Yeah.

2096
02:00:52,800 --> 02:00:57,100
This is a very wow, kind of
picture.

2097
02:00:57,200 --> 02:00:59,300
Yeah.
Yeah.

2098
02:00:59,300 --> 02:01:01,400
How do you elect people are
amazing?

2099
02:01:02,200 --> 02:01:03,700
Their bodies?
You mean yeah.

2100
02:01:04,400 --> 02:01:07,400
He legitimately like I see why
they people referred to him as

2101
02:01:07,400 --> 02:01:10,300
no face like he really doesn't.
He's a mouth obviously because

2102
02:01:10,300 --> 02:01:12,700
no eyes.
Yeah like his skin healed over

2103
02:01:12,700 --> 02:01:16,400
that.
So I'm like he's just Vibing

2104
02:01:16,400 --> 02:01:18,000
with the world.
Yeah.

2105
02:01:18,400 --> 02:01:22,900
Yeah.
Basically, anybody who knew him

2106
02:01:22,900 --> 02:01:25,000
would, you know, tell you how
nice he was, and how awesome he

2107
02:01:25,000 --> 02:01:28,400
was.
He did pass away from natural

2108
02:01:28,400 --> 02:01:33,300
causes and 1985 but the legend
lives on wasn't even born yet.

2109
02:01:33,600 --> 02:01:35,800
No, neither of us were born.
Yeah.

2110
02:01:37,300 --> 02:01:41,700
But yeah, but yeah, I guess they
still talk about him to this

2111
02:01:41,700 --> 02:01:44,400
day.
There goes my pain, I was

2112
02:01:44,400 --> 02:01:45,500
looking for.
I was like, what the hell is it?

2113
02:01:45,500 --> 02:01:48,800
My hair?
Spooky, Pennsylvania.

2114
02:01:50,900 --> 02:01:55,300
Those are some stories that I
like, I've looked at and I

2115
02:01:55,300 --> 02:02:00,200
wanted to do like earlier in the
podcast because You know, this

2116
02:02:00,200 --> 02:02:02,500
is where we're from.
I want to, you know, give you a

2117
02:02:02,500 --> 02:02:08,100
little heads-up and that we like
spooky stuff in this is what

2118
02:02:08,100 --> 02:02:09,500
raised us.
Great stories.

2119
02:02:09,500 --> 02:02:10,600
They were good.
Good good stuff.

2120
02:02:10,600 --> 02:02:13,800
Yeah.
I definitely want to go Central.

2121
02:02:13,800 --> 02:02:17,600
I like this still a thing I want
to do but um is it the ghost

2122
02:02:17,600 --> 02:02:18,700
him?
Ghost Town?

2123
02:02:18,700 --> 02:02:20,500
Yes, I'm pretty sure it was a
ghost towns around.

2124
02:02:20,600 --> 02:02:22,300
Oh yeah we could probably visit
a couple more.

2125
02:02:22,300 --> 02:02:24,000
Oh yeah.
Buts in Charlie's the one that I

2126
02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:26,900
believe is an actually haunted,
it's not haunted.

2127
02:02:27,100 --> 02:02:29,200
I don't want to go to one.
That's actually haunted.

2128
02:02:29,400 --> 02:02:30,700
Well, good.
Because we're going to get lost

2129
02:02:30,700 --> 02:02:32,900
there and by the ghost or
something.

2130
02:02:33,200 --> 02:02:38,300
Don't get eaten by Ghosts.
No.

2131
02:02:41,300 --> 02:02:44,300
Oh, oh Brian.
I know.

2132
02:02:44,400 --> 02:02:49,400
Oh me.
Anyway though, that's all we got

2133
02:02:49,400 --> 02:02:52,600
for you tonight.
Yeah.

2134
02:02:53,200 --> 02:02:56,500
Or this morning for some of you,
there's like a good 30 or 40

2135
02:02:56,500 --> 02:02:58,500
people who listened at like, 5
a.m.

2136
02:02:58,600 --> 02:03:00,500
As soon as the podcast comes
out.

2137
02:03:00,500 --> 02:03:02,400
Bless you all.
That's very lovely.

2138
02:03:02,800 --> 02:03:04,500
Yeah, I mean, if so, why get
that time too?

2139
02:03:04,500 --> 02:03:07,100
But as because I'm working, I'm
pretty sure is why you guys are

2140
02:03:07,100 --> 02:03:09,100
listening to get.
Probably yeah, we got a couple.

2141
02:03:09,200 --> 02:03:10,900
Belen night crew, who are with
you.

2142
02:03:10,900 --> 02:03:12,700
Yeah.
Hey guys, thanks.

2143
02:03:12,800 --> 02:03:16,100
Thanks for listening to me and
thank you.

2144
02:03:16,100 --> 02:03:20,000
If you listen, all the way
through for this is last week,

2145
02:03:20,000 --> 02:03:24,100
was the second time that we
broke into the top, 100, your

2146
02:03:24,100 --> 02:03:27,200
kind podcasts and America.
So that's pretty fancy.

2147
02:03:27,200 --> 02:03:31,300
It was awesome.
And as usual, I still sell all

2148
02:03:31,300 --> 02:03:35,600
kinds of jewelry and making
Pride things for June.

2149
02:03:35,600 --> 02:03:39,200
Yes, I can't wait.
I got you some pit.

2150
02:03:39,200 --> 02:03:41,300
I got some pens to.
I'm going to be making a cool

2151
02:03:41,300 --> 02:03:43,000
looking.
You can wear a pen.

2152
02:03:43,000 --> 02:03:44,300
I can wear pants.
I got it here.

2153
02:03:44,300 --> 02:03:45,300
I got my that.
You want me.

2154
02:03:45,300 --> 02:03:46,500
Give you one ear?
Yes.

2155
02:03:46,500 --> 02:03:47,800
Just one ear.
I'm good.

2156
02:03:47,900 --> 02:03:49,900
I think it's over there.
Yes, Larry give you the one.

2157
02:03:49,900 --> 02:03:51,300
I just says, hi.
I'm Pam.

2158
02:03:51,300 --> 02:03:53,400
There you go.
Appreciate it.

2159
02:03:54,300 --> 02:03:56,900
And yeah, those are what we're
doing these days.

2160
02:03:56,900 --> 02:04:02,000
You can always find us on crease
with Brian or caught podcasts on

2161
02:04:02,000 --> 02:04:05,000
Tick-Tock.
You can watch us as we are

2162
02:04:05,000 --> 02:04:09,700
currently playing through the
Each Resident Evil eight.

2163
02:04:09,700 --> 02:04:15,800
Yes, on Twitch foxy trainer
every Sunday night.

2164
02:04:15,900 --> 02:04:18,300
Yeah, I try to get on at 6:00
6:30.

2165
02:04:19,600 --> 02:04:21,900
What do we do?
Oh well we just had her fight

2166
02:04:21,900 --> 02:04:25,600
with our first plate with Lady
Democratic demouth risk and

2167
02:04:25,800 --> 02:04:29,300
actually you know what it she
says, da mattress.

2168
02:04:30,100 --> 02:04:32,800
She says yes, that's it, listen
that again, yeah.

2169
02:04:32,800 --> 02:04:38,100
Like at the how dare you defile
house dumb address or the How's

2170
02:04:38,100 --> 02:04:41,400
da mattress bloodline?
Has been fooled by you.

2171
02:04:41,600 --> 02:04:43,300
How dare you and stuff like
that?

2172
02:04:43,300 --> 02:04:46,400
Yeah, I missed that.
I'll have to do that again.

2173
02:04:46,400 --> 02:04:47,900
When I watch somebody else play
through it.

2174
02:04:47,900 --> 02:04:52,400
Yeah, but yeah.
And yeah, if you have any if you

2175
02:04:52,400 --> 02:04:55,100
want to like leave us like an
email.

2176
02:04:55,100 --> 02:04:56,900
Absolutely.
If you send an email, definitely

2177
02:04:56,900 --> 02:04:59,500
shout you out.
Just like we did last week was

2178
02:04:59,500 --> 02:05:02,100
last week or week before, I
believe it was, it was whatever

2179
02:05:02,100 --> 02:05:05,100
it was.
She responded to us.

2180
02:05:05,100 --> 02:05:07,800
She's like I said my name and I
was like, of course.

2181
02:05:07,900 --> 02:05:09,600
Course.
Yes, I think it was the week

2182
02:05:09,600 --> 02:05:10,200
before.
Okay.

2183
02:05:10,500 --> 02:05:13,900
He was a Nica but yeah, caught
podcasts at gmail.com.

2184
02:05:13,900 --> 02:05:17,800
There you go.
And that's also there's like 300

2185
02:05:17,800 --> 02:05:20,700
people following on YouTube
right now and I've only put up

2186
02:05:20,700 --> 02:05:23,400
two of the podcast.
Look, I'm working on it, I'm

2187
02:05:23,400 --> 02:05:26,200
getting to it.
I gotta work on getting some

2188
02:05:26,200 --> 02:05:29,900
sort of some software done, I
can probably I don't know, we'll

2189
02:05:29,900 --> 02:05:32,200
get, we'll get to it.
I swear over this break, I'll

2190
02:05:32,200 --> 02:05:39,500
get it done probably But yeah,
you have yourself a good night

2191
02:05:39,500 --> 02:05:42,400
or good morning.
Hey, good morning to my night

2192
02:05:42,400 --> 02:05:45,400
crew and we'll see you next
week.

2193
02:05:45,600 --> 02:05:46,000
Yep.
Bye.