Episode 5: A match made in hell: Paul Bernardo and Karla Hamolka

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Hey there, everybody in serial
killer country.

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My name is Brittany.
Ransom, and my name is Brian

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Joyner.
And this is when Killers get

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caught, a podcast devoted to
deep Dives.

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Into the lives and psyches The
Killers.

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We love to learn about every
week.

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We discussed something new and
interesting in the serial killer

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world and then we discuss one,
well-known or lesser known

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killer, and go deep into their
childhood lives methodology.

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And most importantly how they
got caught.

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And then because most of your
killer fans, love to get a

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little spooked, Brian will lead
us down the road of the

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Paranormal or just something
that he found to be particularly

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creepy this week.
So in the Name of Love this

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February, I'll be speaking only
about couples this month.

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My first couple are the
notorious Ken and Barbie killers

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from Canada, Karla Homolka and
Paul Bernardo and are topical

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situation this week.
Is that New York City just

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discovered a new serial killer.
Yay.

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New serial killers, not really
new or more, so they found

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someone they were looking for
and it's pretty ridiculous

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because he lived in the same
building as his victims.

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And it's been going on for a
couple of years now.

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It's crazy.
All right.

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Oh wait first.
Then we just yeah.

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And if anyone notices that,
there's anything different this

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week, it's because we are both
snowed in and central

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Pennsylvania.
So we're recording this remotely

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and hoping that it comes out,
all right?

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Hopefully the and as far as
Brian talks about, you know, he

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likes to keep that from us until
it's time to spring on The

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Spook.
Yes.

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So you're not getting that until
the spook time but Guys, name

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was Kevin?
Yeah, Kevin Gavin, Gavin, Gavin.

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All right, and he killed three
to four different, elderly

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women.
Great.

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So, there are three that they
know of already, but they're

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looking into a fourth victim as
well.

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So, yeah, he killed.
Oh, and he's elderly to, he's 66

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surely.
Also, this, his whole building

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was an elderly community, so,
Okay, that makes a lot more

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sense now.
Yeah, so he killed them all in

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his own building.
Do we have explanations for the

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why yet?
Um, not at this moment though.

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I think it's still an ongoing
investigation but Well, from

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what I've read it started in
2015 and the most recent one

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happened, Friday, that would be
January 29th, right?

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Yesterday night.
Yes, right.

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This and the victims are all
between 78 and 83, so that's

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pretty intense.
I did read that.

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The one woman who they're not
sure whether it was murder or

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not.
Well, okay.

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So the coroner said, it was a
heart attack will correction.

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The police said, it was a heart
attack.

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The coroner said she had broken
ribs.

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Abs and have been hitting the
chest.

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So her daughter is like yeah,
that's definitely murder but

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nobody else really listen to the
kid so that's why she thinks

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he's part of the so that might
be a little Force

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wonder-working.
Answer you then.

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Yeah.
That's the one they're looking

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into because I feel like how
does an old lady get, you know,

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a broken chest wall.
I mean, yeah.

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I was going to say, Well they're
old but you know, still No, I

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understand people they do have
brittle bones as you get older

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osteoporosis and things of that
nature.

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But, mmm, an interesting thing
that I saw from people who were

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upset about this is that people
had been asking for cameras at

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the facility for a really long
time and they believe that they

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would have been able to catch
him a lot sooner.

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Had they had some level of
security at the building.

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Well, yeah, it says that they're
adding 65 more cameras, there's

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a building.
So So maybe they had cameras are

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ready but they didn't have
enough.

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Yeah, I guess they only had
four, I'm guessing probably just

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unlike the front door the back
door that sort of thing.

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But they need cameras in on
every floor.

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I mean, I know in my apartment
building there are cameras at

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every elevator.
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And the all the entrances as
well.

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So That way.
At least they can have a visual

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of seeing where someone came
into the building and what floor

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they got off on.
Right?

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Yeah, that makes sense.
So apparently mr.

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Gavin was supposed to be like
some type of handyman around the

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building as well, which is,
which explains why he would have

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access.
This is true.

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So his first victim wasn't the
one.

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In 2015 said, he's stabbed her
in the neck with a steak Knife.

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That's I guess using what you
have around, And you.

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Yeah like I think I think every
all his murders were reusing

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stuff that he found in the
apartment or their their houses

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and you told me when we were
first just discussing, bring

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this up this week that these had
to do with some sort of scam or

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money.
Okay.

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So no, he's actually besides
from being a murderer, he is

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also his scam orders.
Okay.

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So did that you think maybe they
found out about the scams and he

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took them out?
Maybe no.

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I mean, no, not at all.
I think that was just his have

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nothing to do with a murder.
That's exactly.

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Uh-oh.
Listen, it comes up all the

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time, think of all of the
different murders I've discussed

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so far, so many of them have
ties to like ride.

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It's crazy.
I don't, I don't know what this

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connection is but it's a weird
one.

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But either way, this is an
ongoing investigation.

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And it fits the definition of a
serial killer.

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That's for sure.
Absolutely.

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I mean, I mean he does have that
age that your Gap, so he has 12

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2015.
Well, he has won or 2019 as

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well, and another one, I guess
2020.

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So he still has that.
Yeah.

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At least a year at least a month
cooling off in between every

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killing though I suppose
technically it counts at a

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different place since it was in
a different apartment each time.

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But that's cutting that rule
kind of clothes.

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I think there's a gray area
somewhere.

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Yeah they're always has but what
a weird thing and that's not

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even counting the fact that I
mean there's an unsolved serial

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murder situation going on on
Long Island in New York.

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Oh what?
I don't know about that.

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No about that.
Yeah.

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They were looking for a missing
woman and they found a mass

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grave a couple of years ago, and
they have now reopened those

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cases and they're trying to
figure out like who killed all

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these women on Long Island so
they're still trying to figure

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out I guess it's kind of a Cold
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at one point they got a phone
call that named one of the women

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that was in the mass grave, who
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Now they were buried at a beach
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So that's an ongoing thing, New
York's, got a lot.

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Going on for it, going on in it,
lovely.

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I guess you got a ton of 8
million people.

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A lot of stuff pops off.
But in regards, like I said, all

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this month, I will only be
discussing couples and not just

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people who kill together
couples, but in actual romantic

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Partnerships and I actually need
to give a little bit of a

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trigger warning.
Before I jump into this, the

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content today is going to
contain discussion of sexual

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assaults against children and I
perfectly understand if that

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crosses the line for you and you
don't want to listen, I will

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attempt to discuss it without
going into any graphic detail,

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but I do think it's just
responsible to give everybody a

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heads up.
Underneath the info section.

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On this podcast, we will give
you the time stamps so you can

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skip over any discussion of Paul
Bernardo and Karla Homolka.

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If this is just one of your
limits, right?

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Right, right.
Right.

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So for anybody who doesn't know
or this is the first time you've

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ever heard of them, the Ken and
Barbie killers were a couple

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from Canada who assaulted and
killed at least three different

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miners between 1990 and 1992.
They were described this way in

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the newspapers because they were
to platinum blond standardly,

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Attractive people.
And the world was really

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confused as to why they would do
crimes like this on his own.

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Paul, Bernardo was also known as
the Scarborough rapist and to

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gather their crimes were known
as the schoolgirl killings.

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Because all of them were teenage
high school girls.

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Oh my God.
So, he has three different

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names.
He does have multiple names a

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bus for I discussed this
monstrous couple that they were

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together.
I kind of want to dive into, who

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they were before, they were
serial killers.

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So Paul Bernardo was born August
27th, 1964 and Toronto, Ontario.

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He was born into a very wealthy
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Family, his mother had been
adopted by a wealthy Toronto

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attorney and given a relatively
good life.

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Her name was Arlen.
His father, Kenneth Bernardo was

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born to an English and Italian
immigrant who created a

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successful marble and tile
business.

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But his father was horribly
abusive and then Kenneth

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Bernardo left that family
business and became an

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accountant.
So like his own father, Kenneth

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Bernardo within abuse, his wife,
Marilyn struggled with

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depression from that abuse and
she would begin having an

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extramarital affair with an old
boyfriend.

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It would be a, it would appear
that Kenneth tolerated, his

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wife's Affair and we can't
entirely be sure of Paul

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bernardo's parentage but Kenneth
is listed as the father on a

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birth certificate Marilyn would
have two children and then begin

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to withdraw from the
relationship actually sleeping

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in the basement away from her
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Wow damn.
Yeah.

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See every other statement, the
Apple doesn't fall far from the

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tree?
Yes, Kenneth Bernardo would get

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charged with child molestation
in 1975 for touching a local

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child and Lee and his own
daughter admitted that he had

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assaulted her and her childhood
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This is more than likely.
The reason Kenneth didn't mind

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his wife being with somebody
else great because he had other.

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So you sir preoccupy them?
Yeah.

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Pretty much.
Despite the tumultuous childhood

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Paul initially seemed unscathed
by it in the book called lethal

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marriage.
By Nick prawn, it said that Paul

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was a really happy child.
He was a young boy who smiled a

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lot.
But they said he was very cute.

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He had little dimples and that,
you know, everybody who saw him

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just wanted to pinch them.
He was the perfect child.

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Always polite, well-mannered did
well, in school.

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He was a boy scout, that was
until he was about 16.

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Paul's parents had a really
terrible fight and Marilyn tells

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Paul.
Kenneth isn't your real dad?

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Oh oh, drop it like that.
Oh my God.

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No, from that point on Paul is
repulsed by his mother and

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refers to her as a slob and a
whore.

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Yeah, so that relationship there
is completely dead.

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He graduates from Sir, Wilfrid
Laurier, Collegiate Institute

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and he goes to work for Amway
which has a very tough sales

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culture and it's believed that
that really had a large effect

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on him and has you know early
adult years he bought every Book

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and Tape that he could get his
hands on from those You Know

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Rich and Famous experts.
And also those guys that teach

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you like how to get girls right.
Yeah.

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You remember those being very
popular in the 90s?

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Oh yeah.
Yeah, of course, those lovely.

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How to get a girlfriend book or
how to get pick up, you know,

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pickup artist.
Stuff.

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This is what he was indulging in
these kinds of books.

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How to make money and get hot
girls, things of that nature.

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I know.
I know it's funny, but it's not

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funny because he used these
techniques in a really bad way.

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Yeah, that's it's terrible,
apparently, Paul.

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And his friends from Amway would
practice these techniques on

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young women, they met in bars
and they were actually really

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successful.
And you see, the time by the

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time, he attended the University
of Toronto and Scarborough Paul

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had developed these very dark
sexual fantasies and he was

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getting off on humiliating women
in public, and he this Point.

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He had a physically abused.
Every woman he had dated So when

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he meets Karla Homolka and
October of 1987, the two of them

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are immediately sexually
attracted to each other and

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unlike every other woman, he
dated Carla actually encouraged

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the sexual sadism on the women
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Speaking of Carla hurt Early,
Childhood wasn't as dramatic as

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Paul's.
She was born, Carla, Leanne

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Homolka, and to Dorothy and
Carol Homolka May 4th 1970 in

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Port Credit, Ontario.
She was the eldest of two

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siblings are actually has three
siblings her, other two siblings

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were named Logan and Tammy, her
father was a Czechoslovakian

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immigrant and traveling salesman
with A serious drinking problem

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and he was indeed abusive to
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the sisters of originally kind
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but I'm not entirely.
So sure how close they were

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because of something that goes
on later and I'll explain when

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we get to it.
But regardless of that, she had

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a pretty normal childhood.
When she was young, she liked to

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draw.
She was thrilled to be bright

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and very popular.
She loved animals and she would

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go into working with animals as
her career.

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So the two of them meet at a
Scarborough restaurant, October

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17th 1987, and they were both
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Toronto.
She was 17 years old and he was

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23.
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is 18 very similar to the United
States and the age of consent

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was 14.
Now they met in October, he

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proposed to her December 24th of
the scene year and Justin heads

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up just in case you're still
listening.

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I would say this is the part of
the podcast where things are

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going to get a little sad and
definitely very gross until

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Paul, and Karla break up.
It's pretty much like this for

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the rest of their relationship.
Okay, I would say yeah let's

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give you a heads-up.
Let's the skin to it.

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I'm not ready.
But you know you know how some

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people get together and it just
makes them better.

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Yep, I would say that Paul and
Karla meet each other worse.

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Carla encourage, Paul's sadism
and Paul was just enthralled

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with how much the stuff seemed
to kind of turn him on, or turn

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her on.
So the two of them very much fed

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off of each other in this way.
So they both met each other's

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toes.
Sick at Tendencies.

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Basically, exactly now from 1987
to 1990, they're just a regular

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couple and they're dating, you
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finance field and sales field
and she's working as a, she's

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working in a pet, like a vet
clinic during that time, Paul

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sexually assaulted 11, women and
attempted to assault several

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others, most of them, he met
stalking them when they got off

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of public transportation, late
at night, I'm sure to this girl,

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Will residents, it would seem
like they're police weren't

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doing a whole lot, but there
were a couple of times that Paul

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actually almost got caught after
the third attack, the local

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police issued a public warning
to all women traveling at night,

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especially those on buses.
And then in May of 1988, he was

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hiding under a tree near a bus
shelter, and a local cop, who

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was set to patrol, the area saw
him and chased him, but Paul was

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able to evade capture then on
October. 8888 October of 1988,

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one of his victims started
screaming and he got chased by

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some of the neighbors.
Because what he would do is he

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would see the girl at the bus
stop and he would follow her to

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her home.
And most of the assaults happen

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either in the girls.
Front yard or backyard of their

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own homes.
Wow.

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What?
Wow.

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Yeah, I'm sorry.
Sorry that I hate me.

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Like it took me a second to day,
they hit me but oh my God, and

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they would last from anywhere,
from like, 30 to 60 minutes.

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So extra traumatic.
It happens at your own house.

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I can't imagine feeling safe in
your neighborhood after that,

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right?
And you're like, so so close to

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being like safe, like being into
your own house, but and then

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someone grabs you, right before
you get home.

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Yeah, it's my God.
Yeah, it's every woman's

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nightmare.
The her.

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And the thing is they they
normally tend You, you know, o

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stranger danger?
Is it a big thing?

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But in this case, it definitely
was, he was not attacking women.

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He knew in real life, he was
getting off on the fact that he

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was making these people feel
unsafe, right?

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Just picking a random people and
just, just causing her life

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stare.
Uh-huh.

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All right.
Sorry, it's okay between May and

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September of 1990.
The police had submitted roughly

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130, different suspects samples
for DNA testing, and they will

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receive Of to reports that the
person they were actually

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looking for was Paul.
Bernardo the first one in June

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was called, in by a bank
employee and I don't have a lot

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of details about this.
I just wonder what he was doing

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at the bank that made somebody
go.

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Hmm.
They did have a composite sketch

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from some of the victims.
So I wonder if the bank teller

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just called it in based on the
fact that he looked like the

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composite maybe now the second
one is really interesting, so

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the second call was from a woman
named Miss Myrna sand.

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She is the wife of one of Paul's
close friends.

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Now, Tina tells the detectives
that Bernardo had actually been

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called in on a previous rape
investigation, one in December

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of 1987, but he had never been
interviewed and she told him

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that he previously like he
constantly bragged about his sex

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life to her husband and how much
he liked.

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Analingus, rough sex and anal,
sex things.

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I never thought I'd say on the
podcast.

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But here we go.
Well, will you send them

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correctly and very
scientifically?

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So hopefully nobody gets the
tubes.

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Yeah, now because with Tina
making this phone call, they

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bring in Alec stubbornness and
this dude is super awkward.

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Like during the interview his
phrasing is weird, has its

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tilted and it actually left the
detectives kind of unsure if

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they could take him seriously.
But after cross-checking several

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different files that Detectives
decided to bring in Paul.

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Bernardo, anyway, they
interviewed him on November 20th

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1990 and it lasts about 35
minutes and Bernardo actually

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voluntarily gives them samples
for forensic testing.

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No, when the detectives asked,
Bernardo, why do you think

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you're being investigated for
these rapes?

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He goes.
Yeah, I guess I do look like

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the, you know, Composites and
the detectives after that thirty

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five minute interview conclude
that he is just too well

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educated, well adjusted and
congenial of a young man.

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He couldn't possibly be
responsible for such vicious

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crime.
And this is a direct quote, he

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was far more credible than Alex.
Smyrna says, who with his

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awkward strange way of speaking,
might be trying to collect the

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reward?
God what what?

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You know, it's all listening,
always happens, isn't it?

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Police always have the guy and
then they let him go, I know,

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but he had waited another
person.

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Tell him that.
Yeah, this is the guy you're

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looking for is a bank teller,
right?

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Mmm.
And you just are just like, no,

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no, no.
You guys aren't right?

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No, no, look at this guy.
This guy.

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No, right so well they brought
in I guess they brought in the

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wrong Smyrna this because Tina
was the one who was like yeah

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that dudes a creep but they
broke and her husband instead

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and her husband's like I don't
know like maybe I don't want to

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tell him.
My friend.

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Was he dead?
I mean so he's just weird and

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awkward and so the police just
assume that the smartest is are

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trying to collect the reward for
information about the rapist.

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So they think that they're just
lying.

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Why would you bring in there?
The husband's Soul winning the

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way.
Wife is the one who told you

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about this.
I don't know.

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Oh my God.
We'll get into the, the inquiry.

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That happens about this, okay?
Okay, at the end.

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But Paul is released the next
day.

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Well, he's released.
And then the next day, he takes

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a trip with Carla and he
promises her.

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That he is not the Scarborough
rapist.

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So we move into the next chapter
of their lives, which I would

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say, which are then when they
begin victimizing, people

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together in 1990, Bernardo is
spending large amount of time

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with the Homolka family and they
liked him very much.

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He's engaged to the oldest
daughter but he flirts

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constantly with the youngest
one, who's 15.

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He has not told anyone in the
family that he lost his job as

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an accountant.
And instead has been smuggling

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cigarettes across the u.s.
Canadian border to make.

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Money.
I mean, well, at least you're

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making some type of money, I
guess.

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Just, you know, violating a
whole lot of laws just

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illegally.
So, you know, you could, you

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know, throughout the whole time
we could have got a legit job

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but, you know, it's whatever I
guess, mmm-hmm.

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Exactly.
So, but during this time and

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he's living with the mocha
family, the two of them are

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living together and they're
engaged.

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You know, he's kind of obsessed
with Tammy Homolka to the point

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where he is looking at her
window entering her room to

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masturbate while she sleeps.
Oh my God Carla even helps him

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peep by breaking the blinds to
her sisters window so that

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Bernardo can see when he walks
by and what the fuck.

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I'm the heck I'll gets worse, it
gets worse in July of 1990, he

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takes Tammy across the border to
get beer for a party and then

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when they come back, Bernardo
tells Carla that they got drunk

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and began making out when they
were across the border.

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And over that summer, he
supplies Tammy and her friends

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with gifts food and sodas.
That is the direct quote to had

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a film, and a few white flecks
on the top.

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Oh my God.
So you just have to decide what

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drug you think?
That is, he was supplying these

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children with, but mind you
Tammy and her friends are all 15

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years old.
And this man is now in his, he's

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Almost 30.
So, what could come on, dude?

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Okay.
All right.

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All right, not like this.
I know, I know, six months

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before this Carla had stole an
anesthetic agent called

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halothane from the clinic that
she worked at and the issue here

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was that apparently Paul was
kind of hung up on the fact that

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when he met Carla, she wasn't a
virgin and so Carla decided that

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she was going to give her
sisters.

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Need to Bernardo for a Christmas
present, how kind of her she's

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such a sweet.
Loving girlfriend to do such a

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lovely, lovely thing.
Oh my God.

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So one, December 23rd.
They plied the sister with

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sleeping pills and alcohol and
when she was unconscious Tammy

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then also administered the
halothane on her sister's nose

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and mouth.
So they like triple got her

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sedated and with their parent
like the parents upstairs.

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They videotape themselves.
Raping the girl and her baby.

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Basement bedroom, God sometime
during the event Tammy began to

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vomit and aspirate it on it and
they tried to revive her.

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And then they called 911 but not
before hiding the evidence.

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They read rest her and moved her
back into her bedroom and a few

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hours later she was pronounced
dead at st.

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Catherine's General Hospital,
never regaining Consciousness,

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my God.
Now, here's another part where I

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kind of poke at the, the police
here and everyone else in the

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Because they call 911.
And of course they alert the

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family to it and they also
vacuum and wash clothes in the

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middle of the night.
And despite the presence of a

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chemical burn on Tammy's face,
the Niagara Regional corner and

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the Homolka family except the
couple's version of events,

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which is that it was an
accidental death.

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She choked on her vomit after
consuming too much alcohol.

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Oh really.
Yes.

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And I'm what?
Nope, no one looks into that

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one.
Further closed case, move it on.

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Here's a fun and not fun.
Fact, apparently Carla would

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make other videos of her wearing
her sister's clothes and

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pretending to be her.
Oh my God, they found those

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videotapes at the end.
So That's also pretty grotesque

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night, I'm sorry.
But after that, they move out of

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the Homolka house to a house in
Port to Lucy to allow her

456
00:26:43,700 --> 00:26:49,100
parents to cope with their grief
Port Port de Luci is a, like, a

457
00:26:49,108 --> 00:26:54,900
neighborhood in the city of st.
Catharines and almost instantly,

458
00:26:54,900 --> 00:26:57,200
as soon as they are permanently,
moved into st.

459
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,500
Catherine's Paul rapes.
Another girl and this time she

460
00:27:01,500 --> 00:27:04,100
was 14 and it happened during
the daytime.

461
00:27:04,300 --> 00:27:07,500
So it was almost like he was
trying to do something, not

462
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,000
typical that he did in
Scarborough, right?

463
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,000
I know this is yeah.
When he claims to his girlfriend

464
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,600
that I'm not the rapist, believe
me.

465
00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:24,300
Well, I think at this point, it
doesn't matter.

466
00:27:24,300 --> 00:27:27,200
This is true.
She is 100% in on that.

467
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:36,100
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468
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469
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470
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473
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474
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475
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477
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478
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So, the two of them, get

479
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,200
married, and while working at a
pet shop, in this new city,

480
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,500
Carla meets a 15 year old girl
and on June 7th, 1981, Carl

481
00:28:27,500 --> 00:28:29,700
invites the girls her home to
hang out.

482
00:28:29,700 --> 00:28:32,800
They go shopping, they have
dinner and then she gives her a

483
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,600
drink lace with a drug called
Halcyon that she's stolen from

484
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,900
her job.
She then calls, Bernardo, and

485
00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:42,400
tells him.
You're writing present is ready.

486
00:28:43,300 --> 00:28:46,600
They also film themselves.
Assaulting this girl.

487
00:28:47,300 --> 00:28:50,500
And when she only, she doesn't
die, she wakes up and she just

488
00:28:50,500 --> 00:28:52,800
believes that she's hungover
because it's the first time she

489
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,400
ever had alcohol.
She'd actually realized that she

490
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,800
had been assaulted.
This happened several more times

491
00:28:59,100 --> 00:29:02,300
and actually one night Carla,
almost kills her, by giving her

492
00:29:02,300 --> 00:29:06,400
too much of the drug.
And she calls 911 and then she

493
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,400
calls them back and it's like,
okay, never mind.

494
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,600
We're good.
Oh my God and they don't I show

495
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,500
up at the house.
They don't show up the house.

496
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,200
Nope, they do.
They do not send 911.

497
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,000
One Night in December mind you.
She met that girl in June.

498
00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:24,900
So in December, while they're
all sober, Carla, tries to

499
00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:28,300
pressure, the team to have sex
with her husband and a teen girl

500
00:29:28,300 --> 00:29:31,500
just gets upset and leaves and
stop speaking the color from

501
00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:33,700
that point on they don't ever
mention her name.

502
00:29:33,700 --> 00:29:37,100
Any news articles because she
was underage when it happened

503
00:29:37,300 --> 00:29:39,700
and I believe under age when
they got caught so they

504
00:29:39,700 --> 00:29:43,900
protected her identity.
Okay, so we move into the next

505
00:29:43,900 --> 00:29:47,300
victim Paul.
All would be driving through

506
00:29:47,300 --> 00:29:54,000
Burlington and run across a 14
year, old girl named Leslie

507
00:29:54,100 --> 00:29:56,500
mahaffy.
And she had been locked out of

508
00:29:56,500 --> 00:30:02,100
her house after missing her
curfew, and he makes a joke

509
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,100
about breaking into her
neighbor's houses and she asks

510
00:30:06,100 --> 00:30:09,300
for a cigarette and he says,
sure I have them in my car.

511
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,400
And when they get to the car, he
blindfolds her and forces her

512
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,200
into the car and drive, Is home
to tell his wife, they have a

513
00:30:17,208 --> 00:30:21,000
new playmate.
They again take turns torturing

514
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,600
her and filming it and
assaulting her there too.

515
00:30:24,900 --> 00:30:27,100
And there's even one moment
during the video, something that

516
00:30:27,100 --> 00:30:31,400
they actually showed during the
trial where Paul says the next

517
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,800
two hours are going to determine
what I do to you.

518
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,400
Right now, you're scoring
perfect.

519
00:30:37,500 --> 00:30:39,900
Mmm.
Yeah.

520
00:30:41,300 --> 00:30:52,300
Okay, the direct the, the quotes
just Unfortunately, for Leslie,

521
00:30:52,300 --> 00:30:55,900
it would escalate when her
blindfold slipped and it would

522
00:30:55,900 --> 00:30:58,200
seem that.
That is when they decided to

523
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,900
kill her, Bernardo claimed that
Homolka gave her a lethal dose

524
00:31:02,900 --> 00:31:05,500
of Halcyon.
The next day, Homolka claimed

525
00:31:05,500 --> 00:31:09,500
that Bernardo strangled the
girl, regardless, they put her

526
00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:13,900
body in the basement and then
planned for karla's family to

527
00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:19,000
come visit for the day.
God this school or normal lives.

528
00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:22,600
Yep.
Her mom dad and other to sit

529
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,900
well, one other sister at this
point because the other ones

530
00:31:24,900 --> 00:31:28,700
gone visit for the day, then
later on that night, the two of

531
00:31:28,708 --> 00:31:32,100
them, decided the best way to
handle, this would be to

532
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:35,300
dismember her and put her pieces
in cement.

533
00:31:35,500 --> 00:31:40,400
And then Carla makes multiple
trips to Lake Gibson, which is

534
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,800
very close to the house.
We're talking about like less

535
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,500
than 5 kilometers.
I believe it said it's very

536
00:31:47,500 --> 00:31:49,300
close to their house.
So not only did she do.

537
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,600
That she dumped it somewhere.
Absolutely too close and she

538
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,700
wasn't the smartest because the
thought process here is, if

539
00:31:57,700 --> 00:32:00,900
you're going to dump like a body
with cement, you can't do it on

540
00:32:00,900 --> 00:32:03,700
the side of the lake.
You probably need to like, take

541
00:32:03,700 --> 00:32:05,400
a boat out in the middle or
something.

542
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,900
Yeah, regardless two weeks
later, a father and son are

543
00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:10,800
fishing and see the pieces of
cement resting against the

544
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:16,600
shoreline and they report it and
the police take it and they're

545
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,500
able to verify Leslie's.
Leti, because she had an

546
00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:26,400
Orthodontic Appliance in her
mouth, which usually have serial

547
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,900
numbers.
All right, so within two weeks,

548
00:32:30,900 --> 00:32:33,500
they already know that this one
girl has been killed.

549
00:32:34,700 --> 00:32:37,800
And I have to wonder because
maybe they were just scared or

550
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,800
maybe having the videos, they
took somehow sated, their weird

551
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,100
desires temporarily, but it's
almost a year before they kill

552
00:32:45,100 --> 00:32:48,400
again.
They go out this time on

553
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,100
purpose.
Looking to abduct someone, it's

554
00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:54,700
April 16th 1992, just before
Easter.

555
00:32:55,300 --> 00:32:58,500
They see a 15 year old girl.
She's leaving Catholic School,

556
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,400
most of the, actually things,
the Thursday before Good Friday.

557
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,500
So it's like the last day of
school before the long weekend.

558
00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:13,200
and they pull ahead of her into
a Parking lot, and Paul Heights,

559
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,000
and Carla looks at a map.
And she's, you know, pretending

560
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,900
to be very confused.
And when the 50 year old girl,

561
00:33:19,900 --> 00:33:25,700
Kristen French, Tries to help
Carla Paul ambushes her and they

562
00:33:26,100 --> 00:33:30,600
throw her into the car.
Over the next three days they

563
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,500
take themselves assault and
Kristin but unbeknownst to Karla

564
00:33:34,500 --> 00:33:37,800
and Paul Kristin's parents knew
right away that something was

565
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,900
wrong.
They knew that her route home

566
00:33:39,900 --> 00:33:43,200
from school was only 15 minutes.
She was not the type of girl to

567
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,800
just walk off and go somewhere
without letting them know.

568
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,000
And so they did not wait long at
all before calling the police

569
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,900
and the police and unbeknownst
to Paul and Karla they had left

570
00:33:53,900 --> 00:33:58,000
witnesses to the abduction.
On top of that, her shoe.

571
00:33:58,100 --> 00:34:00,200
Who was left at the site where
she was grabbed.

572
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,800
So, within 24 hours, they have a
very good picture.

573
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,500
The police have a good picture
of what happened here, that it

574
00:34:06,508 --> 00:34:09,000
was very serious.
And they mobilize a task force

575
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,699
to begin looking for her.
Also, also write this is when

576
00:34:13,699 --> 00:34:15,500
police are actually doing what
they're supposed to do.

577
00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:19,699
So it's April 18th and Paul is
out buying pizza.

578
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,900
And one of Paul's previous
victims named Carrie Patridge

579
00:34:24,100 --> 00:34:28,000
saw him and report him to the
police, they had previously by

580
00:34:28,300 --> 00:34:31,400
Her case.
But it put Paul on alert because

581
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,000
I think the two of them saw each
other and they would decide to

582
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,000
kill Christine the following
morning before going to Easter

583
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,800
dinner at Carla's family's
house.

584
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,199
Oh my God!
I know it's so nice.

585
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:50,900
Police would find Kristen's body
in a ditch on April 30th 1982 in

586
00:34:50,900 --> 00:34:53,300
Burlington, which is about 45
minutes from st.

587
00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:58,200
Catherine's and strangely close
to the cemetery where Leslie Lee

588
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,700
Mahaffey was buried, and I don't
think that was accidental.

589
00:35:02,900 --> 00:35:07,300
Her hair had been cut off, and
her body had been washed as a

590
00:35:07,300 --> 00:35:13,100
forensic countermeasure There
are many other situations where

591
00:35:13,100 --> 00:35:16,600
Carla encouraged Paul as the
Scarborough rapist.

592
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,900
Originally, it seemed like she
didn't know but in my opinion I

593
00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:22,800
don't know.
There wasn't a way that she knew

594
00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:25,300
like when they were going
through the house and I'll

595
00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:28,500
explain it was incredible.
The process.

596
00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:32,600
The police took to go through
the house but they found

597
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:38,600
clippings of a sexual assault
that happened in Hawaii, when

598
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,000
Paul and Karla, On their
honeymoon.

599
00:35:41,300 --> 00:35:45,600
Like he kept all of the news
clippings and it fit his General

600
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:51,800
Mo so he raped someone right
after they got married.

601
00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:58,500
Oh my God, just how atrocious.
So so lovely, the police

602
00:35:58,500 --> 00:36:01,700
ultimately only confirmed, 13,
sexual assaults and at least six

603
00:36:01,700 --> 00:36:04,300
attempts, but I think that there
were a lot more.

604
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,000
Now, we kind of get into sort of
the aftermath of the situation

605
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,800
with the two.
Teen girls at this point Homolka

606
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,500
and Bernardo have been
questioned by the police.

607
00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:17,500
Several different times first in
connection with the Scarborough

608
00:36:17,500 --> 00:36:21,100
rapist investigation, than with
Tammy Homolka, is death with,

609
00:36:21,100 --> 00:36:24,500
Bernardo stalking, three,
different women and that's all

610
00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:26,600
before the death of Kristen
French.

611
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,500
And every time they brought Paul
in previous cops, just thought

612
00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:35,700
he was such an unlikely suspect.
He's just so well, well spoken,

613
00:36:36,100 --> 00:36:39,100
well that all changes May 12
1992, a sergeant, and a

614
00:36:39,107 --> 00:36:42,600
constable interview, Paul again
and then three days later, a

615
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,600
green ribbon task force is
created to investigate the

616
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,900
murders of Leslie, mahaffy and
Kristen French Paul, and Karla

617
00:36:49,900 --> 00:36:52,200
must have sensed the walls or
kind of closing in on them

618
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,000
because they applied to have
their names changed legally from

619
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:01,600
Bernardo and Homolka.
Teal, which Paul Bernardo got

620
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:06,400
from the movie from a movie
from, in 1988, where the villain

621
00:37:06,700 --> 00:37:12,700
was a serial killer.
So it wasn't even that clever.

622
00:37:12,700 --> 00:37:15,200
But regardless, we did.
You steal.

623
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,000
Did you get the movie?
What it was, it was it was

624
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,400
called criminal something.
Ah, I didn't write it down the

625
00:37:22,408 --> 00:37:23,400
way I apparently.
Missed.

626
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:24,600
One of the words.
Give me a second.

627
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:25,700
I'll find it.
I'm sorry.

628
00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:30,200
No, no, it's fine.
It's called criminal law.

629
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:31,900
Oh yeah, never seen it.
Okay.

630
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,100
No, it's a, it was filmed in
Quebec, so it's a friend, it's

631
00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:36,700
probably in front.
Okay.

632
00:37:37,500 --> 00:37:42,300
But it's a movie called criminal
law and it's about this attorney

633
00:37:42,300 --> 00:37:46,300
who defends a wealthy, man, I
guess, yeah.

634
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,100
No, actually, the wealthy man is
Kevin Bacon.

635
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:50,000
Maybe we would have seen this
week.

636
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,500
Hey, Kevin Bacon, it's the Kevin
Bacon movie.

637
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,300
Oh, my goodness, I did not see
it.

638
00:37:55,900 --> 00:37:57,400
But either way, he gets that
name.

639
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,900
Name from the villain who is
played by Kevin Bacon at the end

640
00:38:01,900 --> 00:38:06,500
of May and 1982 a man by the
name of John modal and

641
00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:09,700
acquaintances of Paul.
Bernardo also reports Bernardo

642
00:38:09,700 --> 00:38:13,500
as the possible murder suspect.
Oh my God, they're coming for

643
00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:16,200
you buddy.
They're coming in early,

644
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,700
December 1992, the Centre of
forensic science.

645
00:38:19,700 --> 00:38:23,500
Finally begins testing DNA
samples, provided by Paul

646
00:38:23,500 --> 00:38:29,700
Bernardo three years earlier.
I can only get mmm-hmm, I can

647
00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:32,000
only assume that Paul was
starting to feel the stress

648
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,200
here.
He's being interviewed

649
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,200
repeatedly and he makes I would
say a pretty big mistake.

650
00:38:38,300 --> 00:38:42,600
Because on December 27 1982, he
would be his wife.

651
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,400
Karla Homolka with a flashlight
hitting her on the arms, legs

652
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,400
head and face.
Initially she claims she was in

653
00:38:49,408 --> 00:38:53,100
a car accident and went back to
work on January 4th but Carlos

654
00:38:53,100 --> 00:38:55,500
coworkers are skeptical and
someone actually called her

655
00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:57,400
parents.
And her parents show up at her

656
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,300
house on January 5th, and
physically remove her from home.

657
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,900
They take her to the local
hospital st.

658
00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:06,300
Catharines General Hospital, her
injuries are documented, and she

659
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:08,200
gives a statement to the police
claiming.

660
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,200
She's a battered spouse and
files.

661
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,100
Charges against Bernardo.
There you go.

662
00:39:12,100 --> 00:39:15,500
He's a rest.
Hmm, he's arrested and later,

663
00:39:15,500 --> 00:39:18,800
released on his own,
recognizance and Homolka moves

664
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,600
in with her aunt, uncle and
Brampton.

665
00:39:23,500 --> 00:39:25,500
I can only say, the next
section, I would call the net

666
00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:30,500
begins to close in twenty six
months after the samples have

667
00:39:30,500 --> 00:39:34,500
been submitted Toronto.
Police are informed, that Paul

668
00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:38,700
barnardo's, DNA matches that of
this girl, bro, racist, and the

669
00:39:38,700 --> 00:39:43,600
immediately placed him on a
24-hour surveillance, I see

670
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,200
match.
Hmm, the Metro Toronto Sexual

671
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:52,500
Assault Squad investigates, they
interview Homolka and that

672
00:39:52,500 --> 00:40:01,400
happens. 1983, despite telling
them despite the Despite telling

673
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,200
her their suspicions about
Bernardo Homolka, only

674
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,900
concentrates on the fact that he
abused her, then later that

675
00:40:08,900 --> 00:40:11,200
night after the interview, she
tells her aunt and uncle that

676
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,700
her husband is the Scarborough
rapist.

677
00:40:13,700 --> 00:40:16,900
And that she was also involved
in the rapes and murders of

678
00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:20,100
Leslie, mahaffy and Kristen
French, and that they recorded

679
00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:24,200
them.
Hmm, the police simultaneously

680
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,800
decided to reopen the
investigation into Tammy Homolka

681
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,300
is death.
On February 11th 1983.

682
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,300
Carla meets with the a Niagara
Falls lawyer named George

683
00:40:34,300 --> 00:40:40,300
Walker.
Seeking full immunity from yes.

684
00:40:40,300 --> 00:40:43,600
In exchange for cooperation and
she gets placed under 24-hour

685
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,600
surveillance to on February
14th.

686
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,000
George Walker meets with
Maurice, de Gaulle, who's the

687
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,000
director of What's called the
crown criminal law office in

688
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,200
Canada.
He tells Walker tells

689
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:02,200
essentially the equivalent of
like America are DEA about the

690
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,700
rapes and the videotapes and
Seagal says, there's absolutely

691
00:41:06,700 --> 00:41:11,000
no way we can offer this girl
full immunity that's outrageous.

692
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,900
Yeah.
Like, I mean, I don't blame him

693
00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:15,800
like she was involved in all
those.

694
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,300
He's absolutely.
So the Metro Sexual Assault

695
00:41:19,300 --> 00:41:22,800
Squad and the green ribbon task,
force arrest, Bernardo on

696
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,300
numerous charges on February
17th 1933 and they obtained a

697
00:41:26,308 --> 00:41:29,300
search warrant.
Now the Cuz bernardo's links to

698
00:41:29,300 --> 00:41:33,200
the murders are very weak.
The warrant contains limitations

699
00:41:33,500 --> 00:41:37,200
so no evidence.
That was not explicitly listed

700
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:38,600
in.
The warmint, on the warrant

701
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,900
could be removed from the
property and any videotapes.

702
00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:44,600
The police found had to be
viewed in the house.

703
00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:47,800
Damage to the house would be
kept to a minimum.

704
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,300
The police were not allowed to
Tear Down the Walls to look for

705
00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:52,400
the tapes.
The search of the house

706
00:41:52,500 --> 00:41:57,300
including updated, warrants
lasted 71 days.

707
00:41:59,300 --> 00:42:05,700
And the only tape they find is a
very small segment of Karla

708
00:42:05,700 --> 00:42:09,500
Homolka.
Performing oral sex on the young

709
00:42:09,500 --> 00:42:12,700
girl that she took out that one
night, the Jane Doe that they

710
00:42:12,700 --> 00:42:14,600
were, they didn't mention in the
papers.

711
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:20,200
So, I'm a fifth 1993.
Her lawyer is informed that the

712
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:24,000
governor is going to offer for
the government is going to offer

713
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,800
her.
A 12-year sentence.

714
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,500
Plea bargain.
And she has one I'm weak to

715
00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:31,800
accept it if declined, they
would charge her with two counts

716
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,900
of first-degree murder and one
count of second-degree murder

717
00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:39,300
along with other climes, her
attorney with the wisdom that

718
00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:43,500
only you get from an attorney,
he accepts on the spot and then

719
00:42:43,500 --> 00:42:47,500
Homolka later agrees to it
smart, smart, because he

720
00:42:47,500 --> 00:42:49,100
recognized this was the best
deal.

721
00:42:49,100 --> 00:42:52,300
She was gonna get.
Yep, Evergreen, get into better.

722
00:42:53,500 --> 00:42:57,400
Let me 14th, the plea agreement
is signed and she begins giving

723
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,000
her statements.
To the investigators about Paul.

724
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,800
This plea bargain is been really
criticized by many Canadians

725
00:43:05,700 --> 00:43:08,500
because Paul barnardo's, first
defense lawyer whose name was

726
00:43:08,500 --> 00:43:12,900
Ken, Marie withheld, the
videotapes for 17 months.

727
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,500
Apparently, when Paul knew they
were coming for him, he removed

728
00:43:16,500 --> 00:43:18,500
them from the house and gave
them to his lawyer.

729
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,700
Really?
Yes.

730
00:43:20,700 --> 00:43:23,500
These were considered crucial
evidence and prosecutors say

731
00:43:23,500 --> 00:43:27,200
that they would have never
agreed to a plea bargain, if

732
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,400
they have been able to see those
tapes in the beginning.

733
00:43:31,100 --> 00:43:34,100
In fact Murray was later charged
with obstructing justice and

734
00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:37,900
face a disciplinary nari
hearing, with the Law Society of

735
00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:41,000
Upper Canada, like he almost
lost his ability to be an

736
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,700
attorney.
I mean, get because of that.

737
00:43:42,700 --> 00:43:45,000
Yeah, like why would you even,
why would you even think that

738
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:50,100
was an okay thing to do?
He was defending his book as a.

739
00:43:50,300 --> 00:43:54,400
Yeah, put little jerk-off know
even as a regular like a lawyer

740
00:43:54,400 --> 00:44:01,900
you cannot do that.
You're not supposed to and Yeah,

741
00:44:01,900 --> 00:44:05,800
Carl, testifies against him to
get that 12 year sentence.

742
00:44:05,900 --> 00:44:08,700
Paul is given a life sentence
with possibility of parole after

743
00:44:08,700 --> 00:44:12,300
25 years.
But a year later, he was deemed

744
00:44:12,300 --> 00:44:16,400
a dangerous offender which is
apparently a very serious title

745
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,400
given to certain criminals in
Canada.

746
00:44:18,700 --> 00:44:22,000
He is still in jail and despite
being kept in isolation in every

747
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:26,200
prison that he's ever been in.
He is not that the best time and

748
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,100
any time he's been around other
inmates, he gets attacked, I can

749
00:44:30,100 --> 00:44:35,900
see why I'm me too.
I'm not entirely surprised now

750
00:44:35,900 --> 00:44:40,600
in 2006 Bernardo would admit to
ten additional sexual.

751
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,800
Assaults that happened in 1986
before he even met Karla

752
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,400
Homolka.
So that time period where he was

753
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,200
out there humiliating women and
you know using his pickup artist

754
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,500
techniques he was also raping
women too.

755
00:44:55,900 --> 00:44:58,600
Interestingly enough, the gall
he was eligible for parole, I

756
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,700
believe in the early 2000 watts
and he applied for parole in

757
00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:05,900
both 2015 and 2018, and who has
denied.

758
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,300
When, yeah, his lawyers.
Don't think he'll ever actually

759
00:45:10,300 --> 00:45:13,100
get out of prison because of
that dangerous offender title

760
00:45:13,100 --> 00:45:17,700
that's been added to his name.
I hope he doesn't an interesting

761
00:45:17,700 --> 00:45:20,600
fact is when he was given these
psychopathy checklist the same

762
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,800
one that they gave to Aileen
wuornos in the states, he scored

763
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,100
a 35 out of 4.
Be getting a 30 would deem you a

764
00:45:27,100 --> 00:45:31,400
psychopath.
So he almost answered all of the

765
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,900
questions, like, someone who is
a psychopath, would know my God.

766
00:45:34,900 --> 00:45:37,500
So yeah, no, no, that's okay.
You just stay where you're at.

767
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,900
As for Carlos, family after
learning that their eldest

768
00:45:43,900 --> 00:45:46,700
daughter was, the reason why
their youngest daughter died.

769
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:51,700
It would believe.
It's a Carlos mother would have

770
00:45:51,700 --> 00:45:56,800
to be hospitalized roughly every
The year around between

771
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,200
Thanksgiving and Christmas time
which is the time period that

772
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,700
her daughter was murdered.
Her family has not done well

773
00:46:02,700 --> 00:46:07,000
with this, as for Carla before.
She did her 12 years, they

774
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:11,200
evaluated her extensively by
professionals, and they've come

775
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:12,800
up with more questions than
answers.

776
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,800
One of her therapist said, she
remains something of a

777
00:46:17,808 --> 00:46:21,400
diagnostic mystery despite her
ability to present herself very

778
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,100
well.
There is a moral vacuity in her,

779
00:46:24,100 --> 00:46:27,400
which is difficult. not
impossible to explain which to

780
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:33,500
me sounds like Karla Homolka as
a bit of a sociopath Apparently

781
00:46:33,500 --> 00:46:38,000
trying to dig into this really
highlighted the complexities and

782
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,700
challenges of Behavioral Studies
on women suspected of

783
00:46:41,700 --> 00:46:44,000
Psychopathic, Straits, because
so many of those traits are

784
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:48,400
related to masculinity and
maleness the various different

785
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,300
masks that the Fimo psycho the
female Psychopathic killer

786
00:46:51,300 --> 00:46:54,800
displays have to do more with
the audience and the

787
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,100
manipulation happening at that
moment that will benefit the

788
00:46:58,100 --> 00:47:00,700
psychopath.
Then the true nature of the

789
00:47:00,700 --> 00:47:02,500
person.
So they Were really get a full

790
00:47:02,500 --> 00:47:05,600
scope of who she is,
essentially, depending on who

791
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:11,000
Carla is talking to, she is a
completely different person, not

792
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,600
in a sense that she has multiple
personalities, but that she sort

793
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,300
of bends her her will and her
morality based on who she's

794
00:47:17,300 --> 00:47:19,100
talking to Great.
Okay.

795
00:47:19,100 --> 00:47:22,500
So she's which makes her hard
diagnose.

796
00:47:23,100 --> 00:47:25,700
I kind of want to say she's kind
of like code switching a little

797
00:47:25,700 --> 00:47:30,200
bit, not quite, but a little
bit.

798
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:31,800
I think that's a really
interesting thing to see. think

799
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:36,600
about somebody who You don't
really ever know where you stand

800
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,100
with that person, right?
Yeah man, by the name of dr.

801
00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:42,700
Graham Clancy.
He's a forensic psychiatrist who

802
00:47:42,700 --> 00:47:45,800
was hired by Paul bernardo's
defense lawyer.

803
00:47:46,300 --> 00:47:48,900
Offered an alternative Theory,
which I think you'll find very

804
00:47:48,900 --> 00:47:50,500
interesting Brian.
Okay.

805
00:47:51,500 --> 00:47:54,400
It's listen, his book called
invisible darkness, which is

806
00:47:54,408 --> 00:47:57,700
about this case and he says,
direct quote.

807
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,500
She appears to be a classic
example of hybristophilia and

808
00:48:02,500 --> 00:48:05,600
individual sexually.
Caused by a partner's violent

809
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,700
tendencies.
Come on boy it's funny how these

810
00:48:09,700 --> 00:48:14,000
things keep it's just lying
around for us this is lining up

811
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:19,900
it is oh my God.
Like so serendipitous so a

812
00:48:19,900 --> 00:48:24,400
different psychiatrist thinks
that Carla was aroused and

813
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,000
turned on by the fact that her
husband was a murderer and a

814
00:48:28,008 --> 00:48:32,100
rapist and it seems like she was
I definitely don't buy that.

815
00:48:32,100 --> 00:48:34,100
She was a battered woman who was
forced to do this.

816
00:48:34,300 --> 00:48:36,900
No, she definitely helped him.
She wanted to see that stuff

817
00:48:36,900 --> 00:48:41,100
happened.
So she was released and she

818
00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:45,000
relocated to Montreal and 2006
she tried to change her name and

819
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:49,500
they decline that and 2007 she
had a baby and moved to MTS in

820
00:48:49,500 --> 00:48:52,000
the Caribbean.
So her child could have a normal

821
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,600
life and she had two other kids
and she got married.

822
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,500
She moved back to Canada and
ended up in Quebec and 2016

823
00:48:58,900 --> 00:49:02,700
where any attempts to talk to
her about that time in her life

824
00:49:02,700 --> 00:49:05,100
are met with just straight
anger, she will not talk to

825
00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:09,100
lawyers.
She is not having it parents of

826
00:49:09,100 --> 00:49:11,100
the The chill of parents with
children who are attending the

827
00:49:11,100 --> 00:49:15,200
same school as her kids actually
tried to stop her from being

828
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:19,400
able to even go to the school or
attend even PTA meetings.

829
00:49:19,700 --> 00:49:22,300
But the school board, ultimately
supported Carla.

830
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:29,200
I mean, as of January 2020, she
lives in salaberry Diwali field

831
00:49:29,500 --> 00:49:32,100
alone without her children, or
her husband.

832
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,500
And interestingly enough when
Canadians were pulled 63% of

833
00:49:36,500 --> 00:49:39,100
them believe that they have the
right to know where Carla

834
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,600
Homolka is living 18 percent.
Say she should get some kind of

835
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:47,700
anonymity and 18%.
Pretty much said, maybe offer

836
00:49:47,700 --> 00:49:49,600
her some anonymity in about 50
years.

837
00:49:49,700 --> 00:49:52,100
I mean that's that's what.
Yeah.

838
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,700
Sorry go ahead.
I just thought it was funny.

839
00:49:55,900 --> 00:49:59,200
I mean I mean that's kind of
she's kind of like a predator

840
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,900
though.
Right?

841
00:50:02,900 --> 00:50:05,300
I wouldn't trust her around each
other exactly, especially not

842
00:50:05,300 --> 00:50:07,000
teenagers.
So, what you, what do you do

843
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,900
with Predators?
You get to know where the hell

844
00:50:08,900 --> 00:50:11,800
they live.
So I agree with people thinking

845
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,800
that they should know where she
lives, so they can stay away

846
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,200
from where she's at.
So, you would be part of the 63%

847
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,900
game, right now, the last thing
I want to discuss is just what

848
00:50:20,900 --> 00:50:24,400
happened to the cops.
So after barnardo's 1985

849
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,200
conviction, the Ontario
lieutenant governor appointed a

850
00:50:27,207 --> 00:50:29,800
man by the name of Archie
Campbell to review the roles.

851
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:34,600
Played by the police during the
investigation, a year later, he

852
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,300
released a report and he said
that the lack of coordination

853
00:50:38,300 --> 00:50:41,800
cooperation and Communications
by police and other elements of

854
00:50:41,808 --> 00:50:45,700
the judicial system, contributed
to a Serial Predator falling

855
00:50:45,700 --> 00:50:48,900
through the cracks.
And this is actually, I guess a

856
00:50:48,900 --> 00:50:51,300
really positive thing that came
from this horrible, horrible

857
00:50:51,300 --> 00:50:56,100
situation because he recommended
they an automatic case, an

858
00:50:56,100 --> 00:51:00,500
automated case management system
for the Ontario Police, Those to

859
00:51:00,500 --> 00:51:04,000
use in investigations like these
with homicide and sexual

860
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,400
assaults.
So Ontario happens to be the

861
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,400
only place in the world with
this type of computerized case

862
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,100
management system and it's
called Power case.

863
00:51:13,100 --> 00:51:18,500
And since 2002 all Municipal
Police Services in the Ontario

864
00:51:18,500 --> 00:51:22,300
Provincial Police have access to
it, which allows them to access

865
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,900
anything from any case that has
happened in Ontario, wow.

866
00:51:27,700 --> 00:51:29,900
It's the kind of thing that we
are trying to do it.

867
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,500
America and failing miserably at
it.

868
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:37,400
One day, one day, maybe one day
we can learn from our neighbors

869
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,700
to the north, you know?
Because that would be a really

870
00:51:39,700 --> 00:51:45,700
useful tool to essentially, link
up all United States police.

871
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,900
Right?
Yeah, but as of right now, only

872
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:53,100
Ontario has it.
That is where I leave you with

873
00:51:53,300 --> 00:51:56,200
my story.
Oh, wow!

874
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,200
I know you.
It was a horrible, horrible

875
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,400
story.
But Trot it so great.

876
00:52:02,300 --> 00:52:05,200
Oh, you're very nice.
This was really, this was really

877
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:06,400
hard for me.
This was hard for me to

878
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,700
research.
This was hard for me to write.

879
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,300
I pushed it off as long as
possible.

880
00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:13,400
I didn't even finish it until
halfway through the day.

881
00:52:14,500 --> 00:52:17,700
Children being harmed, just hits
me so deep.

882
00:52:17,700 --> 00:52:19,900
I work with kids.
I've worked with kids for most

883
00:52:19,900 --> 00:52:22,900
of my life.
I can't imagine doing the kinds

884
00:52:22,900 --> 00:52:24,700
of things or harming kids in
this way.

885
00:52:25,100 --> 00:52:29,200
Yeah, I feel you want to percent
there because I do have

886
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:33,000
children.
And yeah, and it's just, it's,

887
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,300
it's scary like to think about
that kind of stuff.

888
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:43,400
And anytime you do anything, I I
think about the fact that all of

889
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,900
the children who I work with
their parents have to put their

890
00:52:45,900 --> 00:52:51,400
trust in a bunch of strangers.
Exactly watching their children

891
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,000
all the time.
And this case these, I mean,

892
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,500
this case he was attacking
teenagers and young adults when

893
00:52:57,500 --> 00:53:01,200
they were just walking home.
But I mean, Teachers have

894
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:05,200
background checks to though.
So we do we do.

895
00:53:05,300 --> 00:53:09,300
But unfortunately, that doesn't
stop people who never harmed

896
00:53:09,300 --> 00:53:11,700
before.
You can only the background,

897
00:53:11,700 --> 00:53:14,100
check only exposes people who've
gotten in trouble.

898
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:18,700
So it's, it's still it's an
unsteady connection for both of

899
00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:21,300
us.
We're worried about the parents

900
00:53:21,300 --> 00:53:22,600
and the parents are worried
about us.

901
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,100
And everybody is trying their
best to make sure we do right by

902
00:53:25,100 --> 00:53:27,100
the kids right here, which we
trust each other.

903
00:53:27,100 --> 00:53:29,800
But we're like I got my eye on
you buddy.

904
00:53:30,700 --> 00:53:34,600
Oh yeah, because part of my job
is also monitoring the children

905
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,600
and making sure nothing bad is
happening to them at their

906
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,400
homes, right?
So it's vice versa there,

907
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,900
keeping an eye on us and we're
keeping an eye on you, so

908
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,400
hopefully the checks and
balances, make sure that nobody

909
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,400
ever falls through the cracks
and kids don't get hurt.

910
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:52,600
Yeah, that's true.
But maybe you can turn the tide

911
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:56,200
and make the rest of this
podcast, a little less sad

912
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,500
bright.
I'm hoping this story helps

913
00:53:59,500 --> 00:54:01,400
everybody.
Buddy, get through what they

914
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:06,400
just listen to because I'm I
think it'll help a little bit.

915
00:54:20,700 --> 00:54:24,400
It'll give you I'm here for you.
Okay?

916
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,300
So this story is a branch off of
my story last week about the

917
00:54:29,300 --> 00:54:32,500
Mothman.
So can you guess what?

918
00:54:32,500 --> 00:54:35,700
This story is about, is this
going to be about the cool sheep

919
00:54:35,700 --> 00:54:37,400
thing?
The Sheepsquatch?

920
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:39,900
Yeah.
No, Sheepsquatch.

921
00:54:39,900 --> 00:54:43,200
Today, what were the other ones
we talked about?

922
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,600
We talked about a Sheepsquatch,
we talked about it, we talked

923
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,100
about the chief squats, the
Grafton monster, the Flatwoods

924
00:54:48,100 --> 00:54:51,400
Monster, Oh yeah.
The big thing that looks like a

925
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,300
giant sludge Monster.
Not this.

926
00:54:54,300 --> 00:54:55,500
That's not we're not talking
about this.

927
00:54:55,500 --> 00:54:56,900
No.
No we're not talking about

928
00:54:56,900 --> 00:54:59,200
those.
Those are cool though.

929
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,900
I know.
Are we talking about more stuff

930
00:55:01,900 --> 00:55:07,700
from West Virginia?
The sort of yes, okay, okay.

931
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,300
Get a little closer.
I don't know a lot about

932
00:55:10,300 --> 00:55:13,500
Cryptids though, that's really
your area of expertise, okay?

933
00:55:13,700 --> 00:55:19,000
So what if I sing a song to you,
are you gonna sing?

934
00:55:19,300 --> 00:55:25,200
But yeah, just give you just
fill in the blanks and what you

935
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,200
think is that the so this is
like a little game show, okay.

936
00:55:29,100 --> 00:55:30,200
Okay.
Are we ready?

937
00:55:31,300 --> 00:55:40,000
Okay. here, come the You said
here, come here, come the right.

938
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:46,600
Here comes the Keep going.
Galaxy the fenders.

939
00:55:48,100 --> 00:55:57,000
Oh, here come the Men In Black.
Yeah, there we go.

940
00:55:59,500 --> 00:56:02,100
It took me a moment.
There had to dig back to like

941
00:56:02,100 --> 00:56:05,900
nineteen ninety four or five
1997.

942
00:56:05,900 --> 00:56:07,600
Was it 97?
I thought it was weird earlier

943
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,200
than I thought it was little
when I came out.

944
00:56:09,700 --> 00:56:11,900
Okay.
Yeah.

945
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,900
This is horrible Men In Black or
scary.

946
00:56:16,100 --> 00:56:18,800
It's better than what you were
talking about.

947
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:20,900
Give me one sec.
I actually, hold on a sec.

948
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,800
That's right.
I'm talking about the Men in

949
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:27,500
Black.
All right?

950
00:56:27,500 --> 00:56:32,100
And no I'm not talking about the
the hit movie from 1997 starring

951
00:56:32,100 --> 00:56:35,200
Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones,
I'm talking about.

952
00:56:35,900 --> 00:56:39,800
It's a fantastic movie.
I love that movie so much.

953
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:45,000
I'm talking about the Real Men
In Black even though that song

954
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:52,600
is still really good and like I
said, it's been In my head.

955
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,500
So, is this what you're telling
about the other day?

956
00:56:56,500 --> 00:57:00,000
Like it's so hard.
It was so like it was so hard

957
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,600
not to sing it because it's been
stuck in my head all week and it

958
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,500
was like, I just want to sing it
so bad.

959
00:57:05,300 --> 00:57:11,400
Oh, oh, I love it.
Okay.

960
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,400
So this is also not a like a
type of scary story but it's a

961
00:57:15,700 --> 00:57:17,100
but the Men in Black are so
creepy.

962
00:57:17,100 --> 00:57:18,600
That, you know, I found it
interesting.

963
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,800
So I had to cover it.
Hmm.

964
00:57:21,100 --> 00:57:25,000
All right.
So remaining bet the Men in

965
00:57:25,008 --> 00:57:29,200
Black or supposed to be, you
know, men and dressed in black

966
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,700
suits who claimed to be some
type of government officials or

967
00:57:32,700 --> 00:57:36,500
government agents, who try to
cover up UFO, sightings by

968
00:57:36,500 --> 00:57:39,900
harassing or threatening the
witness is, you know, to keep

969
00:57:39,900 --> 00:57:43,300
quiet About what they've seen.
Well, you said last week that

970
00:57:43,300 --> 00:57:46,400
certain people who said they saw
the Mothman also meant Men In

971
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,100
Black.
This is true in a ho get to that

972
00:57:49,100 --> 00:57:53,100
later.
I'm remembering I'm remembering.

973
00:57:53,100 --> 00:57:56,200
Okay good.
So a little description, a

974
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,600
little, are you tiny description
about the Men in Black?

975
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:02,000
Any, there's not really much to
go off of, so they're always

976
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:06,600
dressed in a black suit actually
sometimes, they are dressed in

977
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:11,700
like a military.
Where as well.

978
00:58:13,700 --> 00:58:18,700
They lack human emotion in the
one YouTube video.

979
00:58:18,700 --> 00:58:21,200
I saw that supposedly had Men In
Black.

980
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:25,900
They were like, real, big like,
tall taller than everybody else.

981
00:58:25,900 --> 00:58:28,700
Yeah, yeah, they were like
walking into a building and I

982
00:58:28,700 --> 00:58:31,500
like the other people that were
near them were much shorter.

983
00:58:31,500 --> 00:58:37,300
And I'm just so, so mostly at
everage their Heights or about

984
00:58:37,300 --> 00:58:39,100
like six foot.
Okay.

985
00:58:39,100 --> 00:58:41,600
So you and Tom Taller.
Yeah.

986
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:48,100
Okay and they're always there,
mostly always mail but there are

987
00:58:48,100 --> 00:58:54,200
some cases of females as well.
So women in black, I've never

988
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:55,300
heard of that.
Yeah.

989
00:58:55,800 --> 00:59:00,600
And they have pale skin and
exotic facial features.

990
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:04,500
So, there are like, I remember
there was a case of one that was

991
00:59:04,500 --> 00:59:10,800
like Asian men in black.
So, That's the thing.

992
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:16,300
Okay.
Yeah, so before I go ahead, go

993
00:59:16,300 --> 00:59:18,500
ahead.
No no I just never heard of a

994
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:24,500
woman in black, that sounds
weird.

995
00:59:25,500 --> 00:59:30,600
All right, so before I truly get
into this, I'm just going to say

996
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,200
that topics like men in black
there.

997
00:59:33,300 --> 00:59:38,800
It's there is hmm.
Like so little on the web about

998
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,600
them so I can look them up.
So I had to, you know, Do a

999
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:46,700
really deep deep dive into a
really great book.

1000
00:59:46,900 --> 00:59:50,300
So you have later analog.
Yeah.

1001
00:59:50,300 --> 00:59:53,600
So I had to get into like a nice
book, just to get some

1002
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:58,800
information about it.
So what I'll be telling you for

1003
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:05,300
my segment or basically Men In
Black encounters, you know,

1004
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:09,700
accounts from people who have
met them in Black.

1005
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:16,600
So that's hopefully Lee that is
good enough for you guys and

1006
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:20,300
hopefully you guys enjoy it.
There's also some theories about

1007
01:00:20,300 --> 01:00:24,600
who the Men in Black are and
I'll be getting to that later as

1008
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:29,000
well.
So without further Ado, let's

1009
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:37,500
get into our first story.
Give us a lot of pages.

1010
01:00:37,700 --> 01:00:39,800
Yes.
Okay.

1011
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:44,300
So let's start our stories off
with this is basically like the

1012
01:00:44,300 --> 01:00:49,800
first reported or recorded
information about the Men in

1013
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,100
Black, okay?
Okay.

1014
01:00:52,300 --> 01:00:55,800
So what was this is actually the
first person who may have seen a

1015
01:00:55,800 --> 01:01:00,500
man, a man in black, or Men In
Black part of Cisco back.

1016
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:09,800
So this goes back to the 1940s
But I do believe that they have

1017
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:15,700
been around much longer.
Okay, so, so let's talk about a

1018
01:01:15,707 --> 01:01:20,200
man named Albert Bender.
This is 1940s.

1019
01:01:20,500 --> 01:01:23,600
This guy was into stranger
paranormal stuff, like he

1020
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:29,500
probably fit in who at this time
period, like he was into, I

1021
01:01:29,508 --> 01:01:32,300
thought you were gonna say he
fits in with us, he does.

1022
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:40,800
So he like he he would look out
into the sky with his telescope

1023
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,900
trying to like catch a glimpse
of a flying saucer.

1024
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,800
So, his obsession began with a
disappearance of Flight 19.

1025
01:01:52,100 --> 01:01:55,300
They have you know a flight 19
is no I don't think I've heard

1026
01:01:55,300 --> 01:02:00,400
of it.
Okay, Flight 19, so so goodness,

1027
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,900
what years, okay?
It's 19 1945, December 5th,

1028
01:02:03,900 --> 01:02:08,500
1945, five Avenger class
bombers, they were leaving.

1029
01:02:08,500 --> 01:02:14,000
I think it was a Florida and
they had disappeared over the

1030
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:17,900
Bermuda Triangle.
Okay, okay, so one of those.

1031
01:02:18,100 --> 01:02:19,800
Yeah.
So this is like, the, I guess

1032
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,500
one of the first case of planes
disappearing above the upper M

1033
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:31,000
triangle, and that's another
story altogether. a triangle

1034
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:37,100
stuff is very Yeah, that's it's
all it's all just oh my God.

1035
01:02:37,100 --> 01:02:39,600
Is it a portal is?
It's a reporter was some where

1036
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:42,000
the planes just lose, you know,
whatever.

1037
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:46,100
We're gains at some other time,
okay?

1038
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:51,800
So he even like he hadn't addict
with his, I guess he lived in

1039
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,700
his stepdads house so he lived
in the Attic.

1040
01:02:54,900 --> 01:02:59,300
So This is where he would look
out into the sky with his

1041
01:02:59,300 --> 01:03:03,900
telescope.
So he painted the walls of his

1042
01:03:03,900 --> 01:03:07,700
room, with faces of creatures,
like horrific nightmares

1043
01:03:07,700 --> 01:03:12,300
creatures, the no don't like it.
So he made it his little, his

1044
01:03:12,300 --> 01:03:19,600
little room of Horrors.
So in just in December of 1950,

1045
01:03:19,700 --> 01:03:23,300
he starts getting really really
into flying saucers.

1046
01:03:23,700 --> 01:03:27,700
He even gets human, got a group
of people to create a network of

1047
01:03:27,700 --> 01:03:30,900
UFO investigators.
It's called a net, the

1048
01:03:30,900 --> 01:03:35,200
international Flying Saucer
Bureau or the ifs.

1049
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:42,300
Be okay.
No, the ifs be blew up so

1050
01:03:42,300 --> 01:03:45,900
eautiful.
Oh my God, I'm sorry.

1051
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:50,900
I can't right now.
So UFO disciples from all over

1052
01:03:50,900 --> 01:03:54,600
the world started sending in
reports of sightings to be, you

1053
01:03:54,600 --> 01:04:00,300
know, to the you to, the is a
Thai FSB and a ton of people.

1054
01:04:00,900 --> 01:04:03,000
Hmm.
So I ask you a question.

1055
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:06,700
Yeah.
Are you a Believer like the ifs

1056
01:04:06,700 --> 01:04:09,600
be absolutely of UFOs?
Yes.

1057
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,300
Absolutely.
Do you believe it's like them

1058
01:04:12,300 --> 01:04:14,400
like little green man and flying
saucers do.

1059
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,000
I think it's a little different.
I think it's different, I mean

1060
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,400
this it can't, it can't.
They can't all be the same.

1061
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:22,500
I mean, we're not all the same.
Yeah, I think they'd be

1062
01:04:22,500 --> 01:04:24,900
different to.
I'm just really freaked out by

1063
01:04:24,900 --> 01:04:26,700
the whole concept of the little
gray men.

1064
01:04:27,700 --> 01:04:31,200
Like if I saw like a little gray
person with the big head and the

1065
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:34,400
weird arms I'd probably freak
out, okay, you know, you're

1066
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,700
being a racist right now to
aliens.

1067
01:04:37,500 --> 01:04:40,800
It's just those aliens, I like
all the Star Wars aliens.

1068
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,400
They're all very unique and
interesting people who wouldn't

1069
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:44,800
have nobody look.
Smoove.

1070
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:49,300
No Other alien looks like them.
That would be great.

1071
01:04:49,300 --> 01:04:53,000
I don't know where the gray man
idea came from but it's creepy.

1072
01:04:54,500 --> 01:04:57,500
Yeah.
Sorry to interrupt you.

1073
01:04:57,500 --> 01:05:00,100
I don't think I was like how
much do you believe in this?

1074
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:09,100
You know, I really dive into it.
Okay where was I adds?

1075
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:11,900
Oh yeah.
So a ton of people want to join

1076
01:05:11,900 --> 01:05:17,400
as well but ifif, SB is big
news.

1077
01:05:17,500 --> 01:05:24,300
Yes, so Albert, Benders stain.
Is I FSB guy came to say I

1078
01:05:24,300 --> 01:05:28,800
spelled it out so many times so
he's, they wouldn't last long

1079
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:32,200
and it's believed that.
The next next account is the

1080
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:41,700
beginning of the end for Him.
Oh, so yeah, so July 30th 1952

1081
01:05:42,300 --> 01:05:45,400
bender gets an anonymous call.
When he picks it up, the phone

1082
01:05:45,700 --> 01:05:48,700
there is no answer but you can
tell that there's someone on the

1083
01:05:48,700 --> 01:05:54,900
other line.
He needs those calls are the

1084
01:05:54,900 --> 01:05:56,700
worst.
Yeah, I know great.

1085
01:05:56,700 --> 01:05:59,600
You just hear someone like you
can just tell someone's their

1086
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,600
breathing.
Yes.

1087
01:06:02,100 --> 01:06:04,700
Or maybe not even breathing, you
just sense that someone's there.

1088
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:08,300
Don't like it.
So his head starts to hurt and

1089
01:06:08,300 --> 01:06:12,500
he gets like a dizzy spell so he
has to bed after like this.

1090
01:06:12,500 --> 01:06:14,500
Is him on the phone.
Him being on the phone made his

1091
01:06:14,500 --> 01:06:17,800
head hurt.
So is this like from the movie?

1092
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,900
They had like the little.
What's the word they have?

1093
01:06:20,900 --> 01:06:22,900
The little thing that messes
with your eyes.

1094
01:06:22,900 --> 01:06:25,100
Only, this was his ears.
You're talking about the nor

1095
01:06:25,100 --> 01:06:26,600
eliezer's.
Yes.

1096
01:06:26,700 --> 01:06:29,800
Like an ear neuralyzer?
Mmm.

1097
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:31,300
Not really.
Okay.

1098
01:06:31,300 --> 01:06:33,000
Because I makes you forget this
one.

1099
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,900
Just wanted to call some pain.
Okay.

1100
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:43,800
So after after this event Days
Later, he's heading home from

1101
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,500
the movies.
It's late at night and he has

1102
01:06:46,500 --> 01:06:49,700
this feeling that something
malicious is following him.

1103
01:06:50,300 --> 01:06:54,100
Oh no, he makes.
He makes it home fine though.

1104
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:56,200
So he like nothing happens on
his way home.

1105
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:01,700
So he's heading to his room in
the attic and he noticed he

1106
01:07:01,700 --> 01:07:05,500
notices, a weird glow coming
from underneath the door and his

1107
01:07:05,500 --> 01:07:07,700
room.
What.

1108
01:07:07,700 --> 01:07:12,200
Yeah, so please he didn't go in
there, right?

1109
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:13,800
He just turned around and walked
away.

1110
01:07:14,900 --> 01:07:16,400
Hid in the bathroom or
something?

1111
01:07:18,700 --> 01:07:25,100
No no he didn't do that.
Okay so he flings the door open

1112
01:07:25,100 --> 01:07:31,000
and is greeted to this view so
it automatically like as soon as

1113
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:35,100
he steps in and gets the smell
of sulfur and he sees a bright

1114
01:07:35,100 --> 01:07:37,800
shimmering object like of
whirring in his room.

1115
01:07:39,500 --> 01:07:44,900
So let me just note that this
man has OCD.

1116
01:07:44,900 --> 01:07:47,000
He's really OCD about things,
okay?

1117
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:50,000
Hmm, I'm just going to what that
rate, right?

1118
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,500
Real quick.
So do you mean he actually was

1119
01:07:53,500 --> 01:07:55,600
OCD or he is really particular
know?

1120
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:59,700
He's I'm guessing he's really
particular but the book noted

1121
01:07:59,700 --> 01:08:02,800
that he may have OCD as well,
okay.

1122
01:08:05,100 --> 01:08:10,400
Okay, so Let's see.
Let's see, let's see.

1123
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,300
Okay, so as soon as he like
opens the door, you see is the

1124
01:08:13,300 --> 01:08:15,300
object, the object starts
hurting his eyes.

1125
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:20,600
So, and I guess some reason this
made sense to him and his head,

1126
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:25,899
he turns on his room light
instead, and the shimmering

1127
01:08:25,899 --> 01:08:31,700
object just disappears.
So I mentioned he was OCD right?

1128
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:36,200
Hmm.
So when he was in his room, he

1129
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:42,000
noticed that someone had been
going through his eye FSB files

1130
01:08:42,100 --> 01:08:46,899
mmm-hmm and like he could he
could just tell that someone was

1131
01:08:46,899 --> 01:08:49,800
going through them because they
were not where he had them last

1132
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:51,000
time.
Like I said it was CD.

1133
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:55,300
So he's like I know what, I had
this at their should, like there

1134
01:08:55,300 --> 01:08:58,500
should be nobody going in my
room and touching my stuff.

1135
01:08:59,100 --> 01:09:01,000
Right now.
Gotcha.

1136
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:04,700
So do you think Albert?
Let these strange things?

1137
01:09:04,700 --> 01:09:07,399
Stop him from Living his life.
Probably not.

1138
01:09:07,399 --> 01:09:11,300
No no.
But that would just mean that

1139
01:09:11,300 --> 01:09:13,000
they were coming to bite him in
the butt later.

1140
01:09:15,100 --> 01:09:17,600
Okay, so he goes to the movies
again.

1141
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:21,100
So he had a thing for sci-fi.
He love Sci-Fi movies.

1142
01:09:21,399 --> 01:09:23,399
So again, it'll double feature
on.

1143
01:09:23,500 --> 01:09:25,800
Yeah, of course, I'm not sure.
He can't.

1144
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,500
What was out at this time?
It's there was a say 1950.

1145
01:09:28,899 --> 01:09:30,899
So whatever.
Awesome.

1146
01:09:30,899 --> 01:09:32,600
Sci-Fi movies were out at that
time.

1147
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,100
Here I saw Mama.
Yeah, he's home.

1148
01:09:35,100 --> 01:09:41,500
You bet, he's all more So, you
sit and chill.

1149
01:09:41,500 --> 01:09:46,800
Enjoy the movie when you feels a
strange dread and that he's

1150
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:49,800
being stared at.
So after corner of his eye he

1151
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,100
spots a figure materialize near
him.

1152
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:59,000
It's a guy dressed in dark
clothes and Arthur's, I keep

1153
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:02,300
saying Arts, that's a l.
Have insane or sir Albert.

1154
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:08,400
Okay, good, his name is Albert.
So so Albert's head his starts.

1155
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:10,800
I don't know why.
I thought, I just thought a said

1156
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,200
our Surfer like as quick second.
You're good.

1157
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:13,800
No, no.
Okay.

1158
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:16,300
You, you need to get back on the
point that he saw something

1159
01:10:16,300 --> 01:10:20,400
materialize because I didn't
think the Men in Black had magic

1160
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:23,400
powers.
And so, I'm very unsettled right

1161
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:25,900
now and I need you to continue
where you were, okay?

1162
01:10:25,900 --> 01:10:28,400
Okay.
So his Albert's head, it starts

1163
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:31,900
feeling dizzy again like today
before like the a few days back

1164
01:10:31,900 --> 01:10:36,000
when his, you know, when he
answered the phone, You remember

1165
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:37,800
that?
And he's and he's feeling

1166
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:39,800
nauseous, just like the old
Uncle.

1167
01:10:39,900 --> 01:10:43,600
So he closes his eyes to relieve
the stress and her pain.

1168
01:10:43,700 --> 01:10:46,500
And then when he opens them, the
man is gone.

1169
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:53,700
Anybody sees the man for a
second time at the movies and at

1170
01:10:53,700 --> 01:10:56,100
like at this point he just
freaks out when leaves he just

1171
01:10:56,100 --> 01:10:57,800
like I'm done I'm getting out of
here.

1172
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:01,000
I'm going home no more movies
today for me, please.

1173
01:11:02,700 --> 01:11:09,700
This is I don't like it, so just
I thought they were real people.

1174
01:11:09,700 --> 01:11:14,300
Now they this, they can
materialize, you don't know, or

1175
01:11:14,300 --> 01:11:17,300
you don't even know you can't,
I'm gonna get into it.

1176
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:22,600
So he would continue to see
suited men for the next few

1177
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:27,100
months, and also continue to
have dizzy spells as well.

1178
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:34,600
So reportedly, there was a
poetic if there was Poltergeist

1179
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:39,200
activity and that sulfur smell
came back as well.

1180
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:44,700
So dropped these once, he had
Poltergeist activity and he

1181
01:11:44,700 --> 01:11:47,700
could still smell the sulfur.
I'm just saying.

1182
01:11:47,700 --> 01:11:50,600
You said this wasn't going to be
scary, but I'm spooked right

1183
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:53,300
now.
It's not that scary.

1184
01:11:53,300 --> 01:12:01,500
It's just very educational and
very interesting. so, So this

1185
01:12:01,500 --> 01:12:05,300
guy he was going through a tough
time at this point and it will

1186
01:12:05,300 --> 01:12:08,500
only get worse from there.
So every time I stop at like a

1187
01:12:08,508 --> 01:12:10,800
section, it only gets worse
after that.

1188
01:12:12,500 --> 01:12:14,100
Poor Albert.
Yeah.

1189
01:12:14,500 --> 01:12:21,100
So one day Albert is visited by,
not one, not two, but three men

1190
01:12:21,100 --> 01:12:24,400
in black.
So this guy is going through,

1191
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:26,100
hell ready?
So the heat are really need to

1192
01:12:26,108 --> 01:12:29,600
see the all these motherfuckers
that all these guys showing up

1193
01:12:30,300 --> 01:12:32,900
at his house.
They knocked on the door, they

1194
01:12:32,900 --> 01:12:33,900
show up.
Okay?

1195
01:12:33,900 --> 01:12:40,700
So they knocked you know they
basically not last time the one

1196
01:12:40,700 --> 01:12:43,200
time they were in his bedroom.
Okay.

1197
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:48,100
Well that wasn't a man in Black.
That was shimmering object.

1198
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:51,000
I don't know, I don't know
either.

1199
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:55,400
So maybe just time days wanted
to confront him you know, men to

1200
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:57,300
men.
Okay.

1201
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:02,400
Yeah.
So they tell him all, they tell

1202
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:06,700
them to dark proof of the of the
UFO presence in our world.

1203
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:11,100
Now, why would he tell him this?
So they cannot murder them.

1204
01:13:11,500 --> 01:13:15,500
We got the so close.
So they could threaten his life,

1205
01:13:15,500 --> 01:13:20,100
of course.
So they warned him like every

1206
01:13:20,100 --> 01:13:22,100
good bad guy in a movie.
Yeah, I know.

1207
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:28,300
So they warned him not to tell
anyone what he was towed under

1208
01:13:28,300 --> 01:13:30,000
any circumstances.
Has a less.

1209
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:39,700
He quote had some say to see.
Why is it so funny to hear?

1210
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:41,700
I don't know.
It's just I'm really giggly

1211
01:13:41,700 --> 01:13:42,700
right now.
I'm sorry.

1212
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:52,500
So he has he has somebody unless
he had some quote, say this wish

1213
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:57,400
to incur their immediate and
deadly wrath, which he certainly

1214
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:01,300
did not.
So how do we know about what

1215
01:14:01,300 --> 01:14:04,000
happened here?
Obviously, he wasn't that

1216
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:10,400
scared, so but Bender is scared
for his life at this point.

1217
01:14:10,500 --> 01:14:18,800
So he quits the ifs.
I f SB and leaves his members

1218
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:25,000
with this meshes, We would like
you like to print the full story

1219
01:14:25,300 --> 01:14:28,200
in the space review, which was a
little Zen, they had for a

1220
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:34,600
further members, but because of
nature of the info, we are sorry

1221
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:38,000
that we have been advised in a
negatives.

1222
01:14:38,300 --> 01:14:43,400
So, we advise those engaged in
saucer work to, please be very

1223
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:48,000
cautious.
So, basically, he's giving out a

1224
01:14:48,008 --> 01:14:53,700
warning to know all the members
that, hey, there are guys out

1225
01:14:53,700 --> 01:14:56,700
there, they are tried to stop
you, they will threaten you,

1226
01:14:57,100 --> 01:15:02,600
they will follow you around.
Be careful, right?

1227
01:15:05,500 --> 01:15:10,100
And this, this would be the
first of many of the MIB

1228
01:15:10,100 --> 01:15:12,600
stories.
And I'd like to say miv, but the

1229
01:15:12,608 --> 01:15:18,200
Men in Black stories So there
are many encounters like this

1230
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:21,500
one, but I have two more I want
to share it.

1231
01:15:21,508 --> 01:15:31,900
They're my favorites.
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1232
01:15:31,900 --> 01:15:35,600
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1233
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,000
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1234
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:41,400
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her live streams, she's always

1235
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:45,200
rocking some awesome earrings.
That she herself makes from cute

1236
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:47,600
ice cream earrings, too spooky
mermaid earrings.

1237
01:15:48,100 --> 01:15:50,400
She even makes self-defense
keychains so you can look

1238
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:54,000
stylish and protect yourself.
At the same time, the magic

1239
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:56,400
class Boutique is going to
release some special jewelry for

1240
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:58,600
a podcast next month.
So keep an eye out for that as

1241
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:00,400
well.
To learn more.

1242
01:16:00,700 --> 01:16:17,700
Go to www.michelintransport.com.
Okay, so so wait, yes, do you

1243
01:16:17,700 --> 01:16:19,700
talk about the Dan Aykroyd
situation?

1244
01:16:20,300 --> 01:16:24,100
No, I should should look more
into that one, but that's a good

1245
01:16:24,100 --> 01:16:26,000
one too.
It was, it was pretty simple.

1246
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:29,300
He was doing a TV show for like
one of the Network's, you know,

1247
01:16:29,300 --> 01:16:34,800
one of those real true life you
know Supernatural shows right.

1248
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:39,600
And he noticed like a car black
car with the people in it and

1249
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:42,500
then like a day later he got a
phone call from the network

1250
01:16:42,500 --> 01:16:46,600
saying can't show no one's in
like no one's going to cover it,

1251
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:49,400
and I just such an interesting
thought process that like

1252
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:55,100
Somebody somewhere made a phone
call and went, he's on to us.

1253
01:16:55,100 --> 01:16:57,300
Well you know, he's a ufologist,
right?

1254
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:01,100
Yeah, he's really into it.
So I assumed that like maybe he

1255
01:17:01,100 --> 01:17:04,700
was onto something where he was
recording or whatever, they were

1256
01:17:04,700 --> 01:17:07,900
filming at the time and they
just told him and they shut it

1257
01:17:07,900 --> 01:17:11,100
down, it's done.
I mean no funding, there's no

1258
01:17:11,100 --> 01:17:14,900
nothing you're done, which is
wild because he's a

1259
01:17:14,900 --> 01:17:17,800
well-respected well-known actor.
So I can't imagine telling him.

1260
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:21,400
No.
And that's another facet of that

1261
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:23,900
story that I find interesting.
You right about that.

1262
01:17:23,900 --> 01:17:29,800
You're right about that.
Okay, so remember the Mothman,

1263
01:17:29,900 --> 01:17:32,700
you know?
Absolutely from last week.

1264
01:17:32,700 --> 01:17:37,400
Okay?
So I told you to MIB is the Men

1265
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:42,200
in Black were there to keep
things hush-hush as well, right?

1266
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:45,600
Well, this is one of my favorite
ones that I read from.

1267
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:50,800
The book is one of the counters
Turn My Page, get to my analog

1268
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:57,000
stuff, okay, so it's Jan the
January 1967.

1269
01:17:57,100 --> 01:17:59,700
So this is a few.
This is like a year after year

1270
01:17:59,700 --> 01:18:04,300
before a small family counter
their first public Mothman

1271
01:18:04,300 --> 01:18:06,300
encounter.
That went says this before,

1272
01:18:06,300 --> 01:18:11,600
everything went the, the bridge
smushed, no afterward.

1273
01:18:11,700 --> 01:18:17,200
I think this is absurd.
Actually no because it said the

1274
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:24,000
Mothman was there between 1966
and 1967 so I'm not sure, I

1275
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:28,200
don't have the date in my God.
I have it in my notes but I just

1276
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:32,400
don't know where have it.
This is still before that before

1277
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:35,700
the the big catastrophe
happened, just kind of given up

1278
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:37,800
trying to get a frame of
reference in my head, right?

1279
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:45,400
Okay. so, Mary hyre.
A journalist in Point, Pleasant

1280
01:18:45,700 --> 01:18:49,100
gets to have to strange
encounters with the Men in

1281
01:18:49,100 --> 01:18:51,100
Black.
Alright.

1282
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:57,400
Alright, the first one is now
this one is a rarity among men

1283
01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:02,700
in black.
It's a five foot tall, man has a

1284
01:19:02,700 --> 01:19:09,100
bowl, cut and hypnotic eyes.
And there wasn't much about this

1285
01:19:09,100 --> 01:19:14,400
encounter with him except for
The fact that he was very

1286
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:20,300
intrigued by her ballpoint pen
and, you know, before their

1287
01:19:20,300 --> 01:19:26,300
interaction and it she gives she
gave her ballpoint pen to him

1288
01:19:26,300 --> 01:19:28,700
because she saw how interesting
he was in it.

1289
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:33,800
And once he got it, he gave out
his, like, cackle like a laugh

1290
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:38,700
and ran out the door.
That doesn't sound like she met

1291
01:19:38,700 --> 01:19:40,900
a man in Black.
This is like, she met an alien.

1292
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:44,100
He's some was like a look at
this technology fun.

1293
01:19:44,300 --> 01:19:46,400
It's like, oh, what is this
strange object?

1294
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:47,800
You have here.
What is this?

1295
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:52,300
Yeah, yeah, so that's the first
encounter.

1296
01:19:53,500 --> 01:19:58,300
So fun, a little madcap.
Yeah, the second encounter.

1297
01:19:59,900 --> 01:20:04,800
Well, the second weird one
because I guess she had multiple

1298
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:06,900
encounters.
This just is the second weirdest

1299
01:20:06,900 --> 01:20:11,000
one that she had.
Okay, so there are two men in

1300
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:15,400
black that looked Asian and they
looked like they were twins as

1301
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:18,000
well.
So they came to the newspaper

1302
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:21,000
offices where she worked at.
So they started talking about,

1303
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:25,300
you know, UFOs and stuff.
And one of them was like a lot

1304
01:20:25,300 --> 01:20:27,000
of saucers things in the sky,
huh?

1305
01:20:27,500 --> 01:20:32,300
And I was like, yep.
And and I imagine a my be going.

1306
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:35,500
Haha.
Gotcha, we know, you know about

1307
01:20:35,500 --> 01:20:45,000
the UFOs.
So So then they begin to ask her

1308
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:50,100
things like, has anyone asked
you to not publish the details

1309
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:55,100
of of the activity?
And she said, no.

1310
01:20:55,700 --> 01:20:59,600
And then they're like, okay,
well, what if you were warned

1311
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:05,800
not to publish the details of
this activity and she goes and I

1312
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:08,900
quote, the straight from her
lips straight from the book.

1313
01:21:09,100 --> 01:21:12,200
It says, I tell them to go to
hell.

1314
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:19,000
So is she for a moment?
She looks down at her paperwork

1315
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:22,500
and and she looks back up to see
that they're gone.

1316
01:21:22,500 --> 01:21:25,400
So I guess they took her
seriously and they went to hell.

1317
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:28,300
Yeah.
Yeah.

1318
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:32,700
At least we just more perplexed
than anything else.

1319
01:21:32,700 --> 01:21:35,600
Yeah, it's just like the old
always the counters of strange.

1320
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:44,000
so, if you think the Men in
Black are only men.

1321
01:21:44,500 --> 01:21:47,600
Well, I had to say that's
backwards, thinking.

1322
01:21:47,700 --> 01:21:49,100
How dare you get the hell out of
here?

1323
01:21:50,100 --> 01:21:54,200
They're people in Black.
Okay, there are indeed women in

1324
01:21:54,200 --> 01:22:00,700
black suits encounters as well.
And I swear, this one is the

1325
01:22:00,700 --> 01:22:02,900
best one.
This is like my the best

1326
01:22:02,900 --> 01:22:08,100
encounter I've read.
Okay, so it's the year 2000 and

1327
01:22:09,100 --> 01:22:10,700
I did not look this up.
I'm Sure.

1328
01:22:10,700 --> 01:22:12,000
I got their pronunciation.
Correct.

1329
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:15,300
Anyway.
Glastonbury England.

1330
01:22:17,500 --> 01:22:22,000
A man named Colin Parks is
obsessed with finding King

1331
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:28,700
Arthur's remains and just I
guess it's it's consider our

1332
01:22:28,700 --> 01:22:31,800
sorcerer Aryan studies.
Okay.

1333
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:37,300
He gets a call from a woman who
wished to meet and speak with

1334
01:22:37,300 --> 01:22:39,300
him about his Arthur area
studies.

1335
01:22:40,100 --> 01:22:44,500
He thinks himself.
Hmm, that's strange because I

1336
01:22:44,500 --> 01:22:47,300
haven't told a lot of people
about this.

1337
01:22:47,500 --> 01:22:51,200
Maybe like, yeah, two or three
people about my research.

1338
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:57,800
So why is why is this random
women calling me out of nowhere?

1339
01:22:59,900 --> 01:23:05,400
So they agree to meet at his
place, 7:00 p.m. she arrives

1340
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:07,400
with a loud.
Knock on a door, he opens the

1341
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:13,000
door to see a beautiful 6-foot
pill skin, possibly 40 year old

1342
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:16,100
woman in a black suit.
Okay.

1343
01:23:16,100 --> 01:23:18,800
So he was a Shucks.
Yeah.

1344
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:24,500
Oh He invites on that booty,
though.

1345
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:26,200
What happened?
Sorry.

1346
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:27,700
I said, but do she got a booty
do?

1347
01:23:28,100 --> 01:23:30,600
Oh, that's a good question.
I'm probably going to say she do

1348
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:40,600
she did.
No, no, it's okay.

1349
01:23:41,100 --> 01:23:42,900
Tell major Ally with my
debauchery.

1350
01:23:45,700 --> 01:23:48,600
So he invites her in and it get
down to business.

1351
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:52,400
She says she and her colleagues
have been following in his

1352
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:56,700
research for years.
Poppycock he says I haven't

1353
01:23:56,700 --> 01:23:58,900
published anything and no one
knows of this.

1354
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:04,900
And with the cruel smile, she
says I do know all about you.

1355
01:24:08,300 --> 01:24:13,200
So he's toad, like, she even,
like, goes back and tells him

1356
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:18,300
all of his research that she
knows about, and this man is

1357
01:24:18,300 --> 01:24:23,100
Circus.
So, See, how is he safe?

1358
01:24:23,100 --> 01:24:25,500
Is he okay for now, for now, for
now?

1359
01:24:26,300 --> 01:24:32,700
So he's told that he must stop
his research, King Arthur's,

1360
01:24:32,700 --> 01:24:37,000
resting place is also a doorway
to a realm with nightmare

1361
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:38,700
creatures.
So I don't know if you know

1362
01:24:38,700 --> 01:24:42,000
this, but I'm pretty sure you
might.

1363
01:24:42,300 --> 01:24:46,800
King Arthur's remains have not
been found.

1364
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:51,800
I didn't realize that do we
think this is like a so he The

1365
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:56,400
resting place like the there's
like a memorial site doesn't get

1366
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:59,200
like, there's a, there's a
resting place.

1367
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:02,100
It's in.
It's in vertical displays

1368
01:25:02,100 --> 01:25:04,500
Glastonbury.
Glastonbury.

1369
01:25:04,500 --> 01:25:05,100
Yeah.
Okay.

1370
01:25:05,100 --> 01:25:11,200
So it's in England isn't UK and
any of our UK listeners can

1371
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:16,500
confirm or refute this I'm not
sure but I'm pretty sure his

1372
01:25:16,500 --> 01:25:19,600
remains have not been found.
I did read an article that was

1373
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:24,000
from April 1st so I'm Is April
Fool's joke that his remains

1374
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:30,600
were found by a plumber, that
that kind of stuff does happen.

1375
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:33,200
You know, when it comes to
geological digs and things of

1376
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:34,100
that nature?
They do.

1377
01:25:34,100 --> 01:25:36,700
I remember at some point in
England, they were taking up a

1378
01:25:36,708 --> 01:25:40,800
car park and they found a whole
host of really important

1379
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:44,300
archaeological finds, but I feel
like we would have heard if they

1380
01:25:44,300 --> 01:25:46,400
had actually found King Arthur.
Yeah, exactly.

1381
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:52,900
Okay.
So she says to him, this is.

1382
01:25:52,900 --> 01:25:58,100
His location is a, I'm sorry,
and entry a portal to nightmare

1383
01:25:58,100 --> 01:25:59,400
laughs.
Yeah, basically.

1384
01:26:01,300 --> 01:26:03,800
It's a.
And what does he say when she

1385
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:06,800
tells us so?
Well she says it can't be open

1386
01:26:07,100 --> 01:26:11,100
and if he continued to do his
research, he'd have another

1387
01:26:11,100 --> 01:26:15,300
visitor and he definitely did
not want to upset this visitor.

1388
01:26:16,500 --> 01:26:21,500
So do you think what do you do?
You think he stopped his

1389
01:26:21,500 --> 01:26:24,200
research after she had told him
and warranty and gave him this

1390
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:27,400
morning.
No, but he should have.

1391
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:31,800
Yeah, he didn't stop.
He's like this is not what he

1392
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:33,800
said but this is what I
speculate that he was saying

1393
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:38,300
I've come too far now to stop.
Okay.

1394
01:26:39,900 --> 01:26:42,500
All right.
Okay I'm sorry God.

1395
01:26:42,500 --> 01:26:45,400
Okay no no I'm just thinking
about this.

1396
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:50,200
It's 9 p.m. on a Saturday night,
he's driving home.

1397
01:26:50,700 --> 01:26:54,300
There are no cars on the road,
which is particularly strange

1398
01:26:54,300 --> 01:26:56,500
for this area.
Because this you, this is the

1399
01:26:56,500 --> 01:27:04,300
busy busy area, but there is
someone in the Roseau or

1400
01:27:04,300 --> 01:27:08,900
something.
It looks like a man from From

1401
01:27:08,900 --> 01:27:12,900
where he's at.
But as he slows down, he's like

1402
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:17,700
that ain't no man.
It was a tall pale skinny

1403
01:27:18,900 --> 01:27:22,500
bat-like creature.
Oh no.

1404
01:27:22,500 --> 01:27:27,300
It's the Mothman not quite.
It's like a more like a Batman.

1405
01:27:27,300 --> 01:27:31,800
But like a new and Batman.
So is a is a bat-like creature.

1406
01:27:32,100 --> 01:27:37,300
So it had wings and everything
so it was one of the night.

1407
01:27:37,500 --> 01:27:40,000
Monsters that they said they
didn't want to take out of the

1408
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:45,400
board, awesome bleep.
So perks saw this thing and he

1409
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:48,000
hit the gas.
He headed straight towards it

1410
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:51,300
and but as soon as he got close
enough, it vanished.

1411
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:53,700
Mmm.
That's good.

1412
01:27:54,100 --> 01:27:56,000
So it's about it's about a week
later.

1413
01:27:56,700 --> 01:28:01,700
Early early morning, perks is
woken up by you guessed it.

1414
01:28:01,700 --> 01:28:06,500
The monster he saw in the road,
it was is in his house in his

1415
01:28:06,500 --> 01:28:10,300
house.
It was standing over him as he

1416
01:28:10,300 --> 01:28:16,300
was in his bed.
So it grabbed his hands grabbed

1417
01:28:16,300 --> 01:28:20,300
his wrist, it grabbed his wrist
and it got real close to his

1418
01:28:20,300 --> 01:28:23,600
face.
And it said in a deep booming

1419
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:29,100
voice, you were towed, that I
would come the warning.

1420
01:28:29,100 --> 01:28:32,200
That is a woman in black gave
him if he continued his

1421
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:39,600
research, if spoke to him
telepathically, so, It didn't he

1422
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:42,600
had opened his mouth like this,
he gave the same warning to him

1423
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:47,400
that the woman in black gave to
him.

1424
01:28:49,100 --> 01:28:55,300
Thanks again.
So it looks like any game will

1425
01:28:55,300 --> 01:28:58,100
warning about, you know what
happens next?

1426
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:01,600
Once again he gives them a
warning or it gives him a

1427
01:29:01,608 --> 01:29:04,500
warning about King Arthur's
resting place and then it's

1428
01:29:04,500 --> 01:29:07,300
gone.
So he stops his research for

1429
01:29:07,300 --> 01:29:12,300
now.
So perks speculated that the

1430
01:29:12,300 --> 01:29:16,900
woman in black in the creature
was the same person claiming

1431
01:29:16,900 --> 01:29:22,900
that she was a shape-shifter who
was upset after perks wasn't

1432
01:29:22,900 --> 01:29:28,700
heating her warning.
So she stooped to drastic

1433
01:29:28,700 --> 01:29:31,800
measures in shape-shifted into
this bat creature.

1434
01:29:33,300 --> 01:29:36,100
It's kind of cool actually.
Yeah, I know, right?

1435
01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:41,600
So like I said he stopped
looking for, you know, King

1436
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:46,200
Arthur's resting place for a
while, until he couldn't resist

1437
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:48,600
anymore.
He was like, I need my drug.

1438
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:51,100
I need this, I need to go
looking for King, Arthur again,

1439
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:58,500
and he was, he was looking until
the day, he died.

1440
01:29:58,500 --> 01:30:04,400
He died of a heart attack.
Or so, we think or so, we think

1441
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:08,200
so there, there's another story
about women in Black by do not

1442
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:10,500
write that down.
It's the same as almost the same

1443
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:14,300
because it's about a woman in
black and a fine of flying

1444
01:30:14,300 --> 01:30:15,800
creature.
Mmm.

1445
01:30:16,500 --> 01:30:20,300
So if it's the same woman, who
knows?

1446
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:23,700
I just love the idea of being a
shapeshifter.

1447
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:27,300
I know, right?
It's really cool, not meeting

1448
01:30:27,300 --> 01:30:31,300
one like her, but it's think
about Being one.

1449
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:33,200
Right.
Right.

1450
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:37,600
Okay.
Okay, so now those are my

1451
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:42,100
stories.
Now, is there a theories about

1452
01:30:42,100 --> 01:30:47,300
what these big Matic people are?
They could be G-Men, you know,

1453
01:30:47,300 --> 01:30:50,500
guys working with the government
to keep things underground,

1454
01:30:51,100 --> 01:30:53,800
which is what they've always
kind of played it off as just

1455
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:58,200
some hired goons, right?
But we're the weird paranormal

1456
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:02,900
connection, though, or they
could be demons.

1457
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:07,600
Oh no.
Right right.

1458
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:08,600
Right.
Okay.

1459
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:14,200
So I only wrote down one of the
series but okay, so some of the

1460
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:21,000
theories are G-Men demons they
could be hallucinations They

1461
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:25,300
could be like, just civilian
people dressed up like this.

1462
01:31:26,500 --> 01:31:32,500
Or they could be hoaxes.
Now, okay, see no one thinks

1463
01:31:32,500 --> 01:31:36,400
they could be aliens, none of
these theories ended up as

1464
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:37,800
aliens.
I don't know why.

1465
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:41,100
I think that like, they are
also, like, some of them might

1466
01:31:41,100 --> 01:31:43,100
be aliens.
You would think so, right

1467
01:31:43,100 --> 01:31:48,400
working for us, just to keep
things quiet, right?

1468
01:31:48,900 --> 01:31:55,200
Okay, so what do you think
there's one theory that?

1469
01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:57,100
Well, I'll get to what I think
later.

1470
01:31:57,100 --> 01:32:02,100
Oh, there is one.
In theory is that I absolutely

1471
01:32:02,100 --> 01:32:05,200
love and this is actually a
topic I was going to cover

1472
01:32:05,300 --> 01:32:12,100
eventually some time this theory
is that they're topas.

1473
01:32:14,500 --> 01:32:16,200
Continue.
Okay.

1474
01:32:18,700 --> 01:32:22,000
So you ever wonder why the Men
in Black are so I don't know

1475
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:26,200
like weird like they have like
they were manifested for just a

1476
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:29,600
single purpose and that's to
stop people.

1477
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:32,500
From worrying about UFOs.
Okay.

1478
01:32:32,500 --> 01:32:34,500
And that like they don't have
common sense like that.

1479
01:32:34,500 --> 01:32:38,100
Like the story I said about the
one who was interested in a pen

1480
01:32:38,300 --> 01:32:40,600
like you didn't know what the
heck of pain was like act.

1481
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:42,800
Like you didn't know what a pain
was, right?

1482
01:32:42,900 --> 01:32:46,100
Like they don't have basic
knowledge like Common Sense

1483
01:32:46,100 --> 01:32:48,400
knowledge.
They just have the knowledge of

1484
01:32:48,700 --> 01:32:52,400
what they should be.
Okay.

1485
01:32:53,700 --> 01:33:02,200
Okay.
So So they're called Tapas.

1486
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:09,800
So what the heck or topas right?
So originating in Tibet the

1487
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:13,200
language is so I guess it's a
bit in.

1488
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:15,900
I don't know what you would call
them.

1489
01:33:15,900 --> 01:33:18,000
I guess I'm Munch Munch.
See ya.

1490
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:26,700
Okay so Tapas are an entity or
being that attained some form of

1491
01:33:26,700 --> 01:33:29,400
meaningful reality after being
conjured up.

1492
01:33:29,500 --> 01:33:32,700
Up solely from the imagination
of The Conjurer.

1493
01:33:33,900 --> 01:33:40,300
So basically, if you have enough
mental power, you can create

1494
01:33:40,300 --> 01:33:47,400
something from your thoughts.
Two into reality, hmm.

1495
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:54,800
So imagine a my the Men in Black
or taupe us.

1496
01:33:55,800 --> 01:34:00,600
Now there's a case I read in a
book, it's about I don't know

1497
01:34:00,600 --> 01:34:04,800
the woman's name but she created
at OPA.

1498
01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:10,300
It was of a monk, it was a fat
monkey think of Friar Tuck from

1499
01:34:10,300 --> 01:34:11,700
Robin Hood.
Okay.

1500
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:15,500
So she this this is how it was
described in the book as well.

1501
01:34:16,700 --> 01:34:25,500
So she creates this Monk topa.
And he can he's basically like,

1502
01:34:26,300 --> 01:34:30,300
I want to say, He's something
that she can see.

1503
01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:36,500
And he can I guess interact with
the world around him as well

1504
01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:41,100
because there, I guess she
reported that, you know, he she

1505
01:34:41,100 --> 01:34:45,400
could feel that he touched her
shoulder at one point and stuff

1506
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:47,900
like that and horses would
recognize him as well.

1507
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:59,100
And later on, she notices that
he's Changing an appearance.

1508
01:34:59,500 --> 01:35:07,100
He's getting a little skinnier.
His attitude is changing from

1509
01:35:07,100 --> 01:35:11,800
that of like, you know, quiet,
monk to someone, who's sassy

1510
01:35:12,500 --> 01:35:16,600
stuff like that.
So she tries to get rid of him.

1511
01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:21,300
Because she knows that, you
know, he's changing and it's and

1512
01:35:21,300 --> 01:35:23,900
he's like trying to break.
So basically he's trying to

1513
01:35:23,900 --> 01:35:28,200
break free from the hold.
She has on him.

1514
01:35:28,300 --> 01:35:29,600
Yes.
Oh, he's trying to break free

1515
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:38,500
from her like, her mental space
and He like he tries, he tries

1516
01:35:38,500 --> 01:35:41,900
but like because he knows that
she's trying to get rid of him

1517
01:35:41,900 --> 01:35:44,800
now.
So she eventually does this and

1518
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:51,400
she can conjure him away back
into her mind and that's the end

1519
01:35:51,400 --> 01:35:53,900
of that.
And you know I've actually read

1520
01:35:53,900 --> 01:35:57,700
like a creepypasta about
something like this topaz do and

1521
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:02,300
the ending did not end well for
the other person.

1522
01:36:03,700 --> 01:36:09,400
So imagine that the Men in Black
were topas that broke free from

1523
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:13,500
the conjurer's grip and he took
on a life of their own, but why

1524
01:36:13,500 --> 01:36:15,100
would they work for the
government?

1525
01:36:15,400 --> 01:36:18,700
So who says are working for the
government who says they can't

1526
01:36:18,700 --> 01:36:23,900
just be regular, like just topas
out with a mission.

1527
01:36:25,100 --> 01:36:28,100
To stop people from learning
about UFOs.

1528
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:33,300
They're just, they're just their
own, their own Society.

1529
01:36:33,300 --> 01:36:40,400
I guess of tulpas.
And like, Albert Bender.

1530
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:43,200
The first guy from the story.
He could have planted the

1531
01:36:43,200 --> 01:36:46,100
thought.
And in people's heads, that

1532
01:36:46,100 --> 01:36:51,200
there are men in black suits out
there, who will stop you or try

1533
01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:56,100
to stop you from learning about
UFOs, and flying saucers and

1534
01:36:56,100 --> 01:36:58,200
Paranormal Activity and stuff
like that.

1535
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:05,300
And just, yeah.
So just thinking about like all

1536
01:37:05,300 --> 01:37:09,900
those minds thinking about this
single thing, all that mental

1537
01:37:09,900 --> 01:37:14,400
power that could create the Men
in Black tulpa.

1538
01:37:16,300 --> 01:37:18,000
I see what you're saying.
Yeah.

1539
01:37:20,300 --> 01:37:24,100
All right, so that's why this
one is like, very interesting.

1540
01:37:24,100 --> 01:37:28,300
There's also, another is also
another theory that they are

1541
01:37:28,300 --> 01:37:31,000
being Partners as well.
Oh gosh.

1542
01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:35,600
But they've been seen during the
day, so I'm not sure.

1543
01:37:36,900 --> 01:37:39,800
Every video I seen, they walked
into a building or the daytime.

1544
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:44,300
Yeah, but yeah, then being told
was is just like, it's just the

1545
01:37:44,308 --> 01:37:47,900
best because Tapas are just, you
know, they're fascinating to me

1546
01:37:49,400 --> 01:37:52,900
and be interesting to look into
more in-depth, right?

1547
01:37:52,900 --> 01:37:56,100
Right.
And that's all I have for the

1548
01:37:56,100 --> 01:38:00,000
Men in Black this week.
We'll definitely really

1549
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:02,000
interesting.
Right?

1550
01:38:02,100 --> 01:38:05,200
Are you kind of got really,
really into it as he in there.

1551
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:08,600
Yeah, that's awesome.
So, because we're talking about

1552
01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:13,500
tulpas and, like, hmmm something
I can create from my mind that

1553
01:38:13,500 --> 01:38:16,100
could manifest if I like focus
enough.

1554
01:38:18,700 --> 01:38:23,400
But yeah, those I I don't think
that's something people should

1555
01:38:23,400 --> 01:38:28,000
be trying to do.
I mean, sounds like a bad idea

1556
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:32,200
at one point.
I think it was it was brought up

1557
01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:37,700
that maybe I'm not going to a
certain tall.

1558
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:44,600
Skinny baseless man in his suit
was at OPA as well.

1559
01:38:45,500 --> 01:38:49,200
Oh gosh.
That's the connection.

1560
01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:55,700
You were making Slender Man.
Oh hey you never know.

1561
01:38:55,900 --> 01:39:00,500
Hey I mean the Men in Black have
been known to kidnap children in

1562
01:39:00,500 --> 01:39:03,700
the forest but hey, you never
know.

1563
01:39:04,600 --> 01:39:09,600
Oh, dear.
Well, we had a long journey

1564
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:14,300
tonight, didn't we everyone?
Yeah, we had a through the awful

1565
01:39:14,300 --> 01:39:19,100
mind of the Ken and Barbie
killers and their reality into

1566
01:39:19,100 --> 01:39:24,000
the, I don't know if it's
reality or not of the Men in

1567
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Black situation.
Well, in reality are considered

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a computer, a conspiracy theory
as well.

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So who knows, it's just so many
unanswered questions when it

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comes to that sort of thing.
NG right.

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Exactly.
As for us hopefully next week we

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will not be snowed in so we'll
be back together to record our

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second our Valentine's Day
podcast.

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Yes, I have a good one ready for
you all next week.

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I don't get I will have it.
Ready once I think that's a

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little bit more on the funny
side than the devastatingly.

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Sad side like this week.
Yay.

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Absolutely.
But on our way out I would love

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to say thank you to our
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Which are the magic clasp who
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That will be coming out soon.

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This February.
And also, to Anchor dot f, m,

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for hosting this podcast, and
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ease.
And we also want to say, if you

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would love to send a message to
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Dot f, m / when Killers, get
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voicemail.
And if we get one that we like

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and it's interesting, we will
play it during We are podcast

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for you.
And you can't wait like every

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week if you would like some
extra content about some kind of

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killers, I have committed to
discussing a serial killer from

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every state in the United
States.

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So, that's another 50 videos on
Tick-Tock.

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Oh my goodness.
Which is called caught podcast.

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I've only posted to so far.
Probably by the time this comes

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up.
They'll be at least 10 to 12 of

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them.
So that's something you can look

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into Nice nice.
But just as signing off to

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everybody and serial killer
country we hope you have a great

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week coming up and we can't wait
to tell you more about where I

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can with tell you more about
some of our killer couples and I

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can't wait to tell you but more
creepy things.

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Good night.
Good night.