Young love gone wrong with Charles Starkweather and Caril Anne Fugate; What is Analogue Horror?

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some sort of creepy thing.
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And this weekend, True Crime.
Actually, this is really

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interesting to me, this isn't
like good or a bad story.

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Not, you know, upsetting her,
not upsetting, but Texas police

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were able to arrest a 60 year
old man in a killing from 38

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years ago, using the same
technology that they use to

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identify the Golden State
killer.

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So I thought that was pretty
cool.

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And if anyone remembers the
Golden State, killer was only

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captured a couple years ago.
I I think he was even sent in

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still till 2019 or 2020, so it's
this still pretty recent but the

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case was a girl by the name of
Mary Jane Thompson.

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She was 21 and she was found
dead in Dallas in 1984.

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And it remained, mainly a Cold
Case until couple weeks ago,

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Edward Morgan was arrested and
charged with capital murder,

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remaining to Mary's death.
She was assaulted or physically

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assaulted and murdered the
Dallas Police Department.

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Reopened the case in 2009 and
began, conducting DNA testing

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using samples that they had
originally collected from her

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autopsy.
The DNA.

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Belonging to a man was
identified like they could tell

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it had a distinctive.
DNA pattern, but they didn't

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have anybody in the system yet,
okay?

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And so, the case went cold
again, and then they reopened in

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2018 to try, a new type of
testing, which was the same one

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that they had used to identify
Joseph D'Angelo The Golden State

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killer.
He ended up pleading guilty in

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2022.
A string of rapes and murders

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that went back to 1970s.
He started out as just they

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called him.
I believe that was Saul your

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rapist and he would assault
people and like leave their

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televisions on.
It was a very weird like one day

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I'll do a full workup of him but
it's a lot of stuff.

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He had a very long career doing
multiple things.

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But ultimately they don't, the
police haven't released how they

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found Morgan as a suspect but
they were able to use the same

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kind of DNA testing.
So generally, it says testing,

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typically involves comparing DNA
samples to ancestry or genealogy

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databases when a match doesn't
appear in the FBI system.

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And so that's what they use
here.

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So, essentially, when you, take
those DNA tests to figure out,

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if your 1/32 Cherokee, you might
be putting DNA into a system

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that might help, you know, get
your grandpa charged with a

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murder.
It's not.

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You might, you are, you
definitely are.

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Is the reason why I've never
done one.

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I just don't like the fact that
the feds can just come in and be

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like, we need that DNA.
Give it to us, even though

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there's Buddy.
Like I feel like I know I

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haven't committed a murder.
I'm truly if you're related to

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me, you committed murder.
I don't care like your fault.

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I just hate the idea that
someone can just demand my

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genetic material, without my
permission.

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Hmm.
And when you sign that little

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thing when you send your swab
in, that's what's in the fine

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print that if this information
can be recalled by federal

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agents, should they need it?
Yeah.

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But that is why they found this
man.

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Somebody wanted to know if they
were if they're great.

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Great great, great, great.
Great grandma was black and they

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did that test in his DNA popped
up.

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Yep.
Yep.

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Yep.
They found a lot of even find a

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lot of people through this now.
Recently probably the one that I

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think is still the funniest is a
you remember Dennis Rader the

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BTK killer of course how we were
in high school they were like he

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just suddenly pop back up and
was like I'm still here.

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Here you guys suck.
You never found me.

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Well when they did find him they
didn't have his DNA on file and

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they couldn't force him to give
it yet.

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They ended up doing, they ended
up getting his daughters, pap

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smear DNA.
Oh my God, from the doctors and

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connecting that to DNA from the
crime scene and it was a match

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saying that most definitely
someone related to the Raiders

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did.
Those crimes.

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Hmm.
I was like wow.

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They went to the doctor's office
and we're like we just need

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these results if you see those
cells for a second.

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Yep, we need to cells.
I know you need to know if you

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had some abnormal cells girl,
but we need to know of these

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cells will only yo, daddy.
Hmm.

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Yeah, I always thought that was
weird but I was like creative.

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Yeah, I guess isn't.
Yes.

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Anything to find a bad guy?
It's a good workaround.

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Hmm.
Okay.

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So you're not going to like this
story.

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All right.
What's up?

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Is it about weird?
Aliens people pretending that

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the Earth is flat or its Colour?
No not today what?

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Because those things make me
angry.

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So in Utah, a guy got upset over
his McDonald's order.

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They got it wrong.
You know, like you know how as

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they do.
Yeah.

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Like as a normal person would
get UPS like a little, you know,

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annoyed that their order was,
you know, incorrect at

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McDonald's.
And you're like, yo, I order

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this, you put it on the screen
and it was the same one, the

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screen, why isn't that the same
of my head right now?

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I just remember to turn the
lights on, so people could see

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me.
Oh my God.

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So, He gets upset and he he
instead of like yelling or he

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yelled at the at the cashier
excuse me, young the cashier and

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he also put out a gun on the
cashier at the drive-through

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window.
Okay.

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And so the cashiers like okay.
Okay, hold on.

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We're gonna you know, we're
going to we're going to want to

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fix this but you need to pull
off into one.

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Of our low, those parking spaces
for, you know, people to fix

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their food, so he does this hmm
and the cashier calls the cops

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of course of course, of course
cops come and you know he's not

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compliant of course they pull
him out of the car.

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Um, Unbeknownst to the cops.
There are two children in the

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back seat.
There's a four year old, and a

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three year old in back seat.
Apparently before like one, like

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before the cops pulled him out
of the car, he told the

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four-year-old to shoot on the
cops.

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So the four-year-old definitely
picked up.

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So the guy had the gun so you
know, he dropped the gun.

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The four-year-old pick the gun
up and the four-year-old tries

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to fire.
Heretic.

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Cop poor baby as soon as like
the cop, so the kid with the

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gun, he's like kid because you
know, he saw the gun and

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everybody is like, you know, how
cops are like, you know, you're

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pointing a gun at me.
I'm a pineco back at you.

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Put the gun down and he's like,
oh no, it's again, it's a kid.

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Wait, stop, but the kid fires
and then the cop like, as soon

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as the kid fires, the gun, a cot
like Smacks, The gun out of his

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hand, so like the first to pull,
it away from him, just a baby.

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But like the dad told the kid to
like, shoot that fucking car,

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you know, he told him shoot the
cops word while you do it

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yourself, buddy, exactly.
You got the balls over here but

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Yeah, I know.
It is awful.

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It just like yeah just struck a
nerve for me because like you

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got a three-year-old or
four-year-old in your backseat,

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your this sad.
What kind of parent are you?

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Yeah, that's, yeah.
So that's why I said you weren't

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gonna like it.
I like it.

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It's just sad.
I feel bad for this child.

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Yeah.
That's all I have for the story.

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There's not really much after
that.

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It's just, you know, the cops
were just shocked that, you

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know.
Yeah, that just happened.

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Yeah, it's this group.
It was crazy and I was like, I

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got it.
I got to tell this story.

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Yeah well I didn't see that one.
I saw a situation where a person

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got mad at McDonald's person and
shot them multiple times that

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was in the news recently.
Hmm.

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Yeah, honestly, there's been
multiple McDonald's, absolute

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craziness responses.
This is why Wendy's has not

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opened up the floor.
Lor.

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You can't go into a Wendy's
right now because only

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drive-through they need
bulletproof glass now.

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And all they do, they do people
are crazy out here for the food

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outlandish.
Just wow.

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but anyway, in our last week of
the month of Lou, this week's

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couple was requested months ago
and I ended up having to take

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some extra time to really
research because there's a lot

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of dissenting opinions about
what happened and that's

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partially because the guy
involved just told a lot of

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different stories.
Do you know who Charles

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Starkweather is?
No, well, Charles Starkweather

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and Carol and Fugate are known
to be the first spree killers in

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US history, who killed 11 people
in Nebraska and Wyoming, from

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December 1957 to January 1958?
In fact, 10 of those were

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between the week of January,
21st and January 29th, when they

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were caught and the arguments
around.

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This case are really about
Charles has 14 year old

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girlfriend Carol.
And if she was a willing

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participant in these murders or
not, In fact, some people refer

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to Carol as Charles 12th victim.
So, I spent a lot of extra time

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here, looking up, transcripts.
And every book I could rent from

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the library or order about these
two to see what I could kind of

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sort through and try and
understand how a jury found a 14

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year old girl, guilty of murder.
Hmm.

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Now, I know in modern era this
was pretty common like we've got

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kids who try and kill their
parents and stuff like that all

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the time now, but he's a
different era and well, you'll

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figure out what my opinion is on
the situation by the end.

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But before we get into all that
will do, like we always do, and

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we'll start at the beginning,
with Charles Charles, Raymond

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Starkweather, born in Lincoln
Nebraska, November 24th 1938, to

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guy, and Helen Starkweather.
He was number three, and a

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family that ended up with seven
kids eventually.

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Now the Stark weathers can be
traced back to 1640 when Robert

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Starkweather immigrated to the
u.s. from the Isle of Man and

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the Irish sea and and settled in
Roxbury Massachusetts.

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The Starkweather is fought
during the Revolutionary War.

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One was a colonel who commanded
the 1st Regiment of soldiers to

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leave Wisconsin and help during
the Civil War.

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That one isn't a mural in
Madison Wisconsin.

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And the executive Chambers at
the state capitol, then we have

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Starkweather North Dakota, which
is named after a Sadler related

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to Charles Detroit, Michigan and
Cleveland.

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Ohio have streets named after a
noteworthy Starkweather in

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American history.
I say all this to tell you that

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there was not a time and this
family's history.

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Were.
They weren't all wonderful

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people who did all they could
for their Community.

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Right?
So we are coming from war heroes

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and Community leaders to a
murderous nineteen-year-old.

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Nice, awesome.
So yeah.

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Oh god.
Oh, they're both real young.

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Oh my God.
Okay.

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We're gonna start with his
childhood.

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Like I said, he was one of seven
kids.

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His dad was known as like a
handsome guy, who was good at

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almost everything.
He touched his mom was very much

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the emotional and financial
backbone of the family,

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especially after Helen had to
start working in 1946 because

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Guy developed arthritis and
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carpenter.
But before then, you know, that

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he was a carpenter that job that
even now pays really well the

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children.
All seem very happy while your

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well-behaved neighbors, never
reported any - things about

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them.
Almost every day, when guy came

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home from work, they all rush
out to greet him guy, and Helen

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were known to be amazing,
neighbors, who cared for sick

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and infirmed other neighbors.
They all lived in this small,

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one story, White House of the
large porch and a big yard, a

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bunch of cottonwood trees.
Charlie.

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As he was called had a big
imagination.

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He made a blow to Fantasy games
with his siblings and their own

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little tiny tree Groove.
He and his older brother Leonard

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and Rodney his younger brother
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And Ian's, when the older boys
went off to school and he was

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still Pre-K age.
He would feed the chickens that

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his mom kept in the backyard.
Helped his mom can vegetables

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from their Garden on the weekend
guy.

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Took the kids on little
adventures like to the zoo or

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camping.
Charlie grew up so much like,

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many other kids thinking his dad
was invincible, like he was

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almost a superhero.
Did you shoot break that?

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Fixed it roof has a leak that
fixed it.

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Did he also run a third Bakery
been to the business.

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Yes, he did that too.
Charlie very much and his early

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childhood live like the perfect
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When he was around his family it
was until he got to school that

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things change.
Even in about six years old.

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He did not like school but
demenna Braska demands.

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All kids had to attend until 16,
he didn't have many friends.

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Most of the kids ignored him.
It was at school that he

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realized, he wasn't supernormal,
he had a speech impediment.

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He walked kind of bowlegged now,
Charles Charlie tells this.

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Story later on in his life that
he says, on his first day of

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school, he tried to tell the
kids about how he lives in a big

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white house and canned
vegetables with his mom.

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And all the kids laughed at him
because of how he said the word

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when he was song.
Yeah.

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Then when he said, when he went
to the playhouse at recess all

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the other kids left him when it
was time for gym class and they

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played soccer, no one picked
him, even though it was his

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favorite game, and he played
with his brothers, they all

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thought he couldn't play because
he was bow-legged.

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Then he said when it was time to
walk home, they followed him and

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yell bowlegged Red-headed
Woodpecker and I he cried and

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cried and then when he got to an
intersection the kids pushed him

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in front of a car.
Oh my God.

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What the hell?
He says that he remember lying

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in the street looking at the
driver who had wide eyes and the

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kids were sitting on the
sidewalk mocking him and one of

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them went over to him and
grabbed the paper that he had

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drawn a picture for his mom and
ripped it up.

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Now, a lot of historians.
Don't believe this happened this

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here, it seems like it's a lot
for kids, who had no idea who

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you were right on the first day
of day and and okay.

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So there's this author named
James Reinhardt.

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He's the author of The murderous
trail of Charles Starkweather

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and James Reinhardt went back to
Nebraska.

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Like when short, like it wasn't
very long.

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After all these crimes happen,
and interviewed roughly Buddy.

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That Charlie had contact with
and his teachers were like we

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have absolutely no idea what
you're talking about and

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Reinhart.
Thanks that Teachers, may you

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not because sometimes you know,
teachers are out of the loop

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when it comes to kids being
bullied and stuff like that.

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But oh no.
But so here's the thing.

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So the teachers were the
teachers, do talk to Reinhard

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said that, he had really
terrible self-esteem and they

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tried their best to help him.
They admitted that.

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Yes, he did get bullied a little
bit, but they would try and give

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him like special jobs in the
classroom.

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You know, how kindergarten you
get like classroom jobs and

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stuff so he could help them and
feel like important and that he

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was a really good artist and
that the staff tried to

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encourage his talent and art but
that he was miserable in school

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and it wasn't entirely because
of all of his classmates like he

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just hated not just school but
like everything he developed

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this like anger as a child he
was angry at the world.

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He was angry at the other kids
you know in kindergarten it was

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because he was bow-legged and
after Carter you know

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kindergarten he started fighting
instead of crying and he blamed

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that on why he was miserable in
fact within a year it was

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Charlie who was the bully and he
justify it by saying that they

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all deserved it but eventually
he admitted I began to love

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fighting And I would walk a mile
just to fight someone.

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He trusted no one even the
teachers who were exceptionally

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kind to him, and he actually
spoke to Reinhardt before he was

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executed saying, oh yeah, she
would this one teacher was snap

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her fingers at other children,
but I was the one she didn't.

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Like, and I knowed even when the
teachers talked nice to me, it

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was just words.
And this was the opinion about

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one of the teachers that was
considered to be the nicest

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person in the school like one of
the best.

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People and he was like, I don't
care if she was nice to me,

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they're all words, they're
Liars.

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How do you have that opinion?
About education at second grade.

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First grade Another thing.
Yeah, well, the thing that

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happened during his adolescence
which is why honestly they don't

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do this anymore and they
shouldn't but they gave him an

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IQ test when he was about eight
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He came in at an 86.
Now, the expectation, when a

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child is around that age range
is anywhere between 90 to 110,

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so he was only a few points
below average, but that just

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proved to Charlie that school
was the worst and he was stupid

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and he didn't want to be there.
So, like, things were happening,

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that were further confirming his
feelings about why this place

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sucked.
He's pretty much a really

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lonely, Angry Kid, and he
started to lose himself in comic

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books.
Specifically, the ones were the

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heroes use knives.
He loved Mobsters Cowboys.

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Those kinds of TV shows, he
loved guns even into his

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adulthood.
He believed that he'd been born

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at the wrong time, and if he had
been alive during the era of

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cowboys, people would have
understood him better.

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From a very young age.
He had a very weird fantasy

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world.
He used to tell people stories

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about how he was from like a
different time or another state

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that's just interesting creative
but it's interesting creative

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when you're seven, it's not
interesting and creative when

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you're 19, oh, and you're
telling people that you came

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from Texas and you used to be a
sheriff.

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Never mind, right?
And this is like what?

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A lot of people who disgust,
like deviant Behavior talk about

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like this.
This very deep Fantasy Life. and

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indulging in said fantasy life
because you don't like regular

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life and its peculiar because
now we have video games Now we

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have a plethora of films and
other things.

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You can really delve into.
You can have somebody.

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Yeah.
You can have somebody who

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spends, you know, 10 hours a
day, building Lego

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constructions, Minecraft called
him daddy.

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Yeah.
And so I'm like, is this is this

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a weird thing because these
people and other eras didn't

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have the kinds of things that we
use for escapism then, but is it

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the escapism?
That's the problem.

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Because I did indeed just spend
like 120 hours over the last two

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weeks playing cyberpunk 2077.
I was sad and I immersed myself

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in a fun world, but at some
point you gotta get back to real

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life.
Yeah, yeah.

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Now one of Charlie's teachers
spoke to Rinehart and she was

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just like no I don't think he
was that night.

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The kid.
She's like, I know you other

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people talk to you about, how he
was a nice kid, but honestly,

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She said that he was a cold and
unfeeling child and she based us

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off of the fact that one day she
kind of walked up on a fight

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that had just ended and they
were on a crushed, gravel

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driveway near the school.
So they weren't on school

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grounds, which is why she
couldn't do anything about it,

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but as she walked up on it, the
loser of the fight.

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Was this bigger boy?
And Charlie had like ground his

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face into the gravel and he Is
just bleeding and sobbing and

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she remembers looking at
Charlie, and he was just staring

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like, what my family, what, and
she was just like, that's really

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weird because most kids, when
they do something that hurts

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other people recognize.
There's something there.

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There's a dren Ellen, there's
excitement, there's something

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not just dead eyes, just
nothing.

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Well, after that Charlie began
feeling school and nobody could

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really reach him.
They tried to push him through

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certain grades.
That didn't work.

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Ultimately they ended up kicking
him out of Irving Middle School.

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He was known as the meanest
toughest kid in Lincoln

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Nebraska, and they sent him to
Everett Junior High, where he

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finally met a real friend.
Bob Vaughn Bush spelt.

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Like, you know, Bush beers Bob
was a real big kid with the same

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kind of reputation is Charlie.
And the first time they met they

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literally beat on each other.
Until they both got too tired

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and instead of it creating a
rivalry they were like respect.

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Okay, that's something now.
Bob said this about his best

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friend later in life.
Charlie could be the kindest

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person you've ever seen.
He do anything for you.

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If he liked you, he was a hell
of a lot of fun to be around to

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everything, was one big joke to
him, but he had this other side.

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He could be mean as hell cruel.
If he saw some poor guy on the

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street, that was bigger than he
was better looking or better

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dress.
He tried to take the Or bastard

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down to size, but I didn't think
too much of it.

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At the time we were all a little
like that.

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Then we all had a lot of growing
up to do.

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Now Charlie hit puberty and
became a good-looking young man.

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Just like his dad.
He wore blue jeans and cowboy

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boots and a black leather jacket
and he wore a duck tail in his

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hair which was the style at the
time, not today, but it was the

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cool guy.
Look back in like the 40s

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DuckTales mmm-hmm and honestly
he smoked Kool cigarettes and a

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bunch of the young girl said, he
looked like James Dean and like

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I kind of look at the picture.
I looked at the pictures of him

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and I was like, I see it.
Okay, he did have that like he

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definitely perfected that old
timey.

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Cowboy look, that was his
aesthetic.

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Now he was a part of a group of
boys who called themselves the

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leather jackets and they will go
downtown on the weekend to fight

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with another group of boys
called the Levi jackets.

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Like not even though they called
themselves gangs.

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Here's what they would do, they
would go downtown and one of

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them will be on one side of the
street and the other group will

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be on the other side of the
street and they would just talk

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trash and then kind of like yes
and they would do that for

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hours.
Kind of like, you know, agony

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other people.
I'm like, why don't you come

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over here, then it just like a
giant roasting session.

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It was just like, oh, you got
something to say, why don't you

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come to our side of the street?
So, we'll jump.

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You and like, nobody ever came
to the other side of the street,

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then they would get tired of
doing that and go to the Acme,

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Chili Parlor, and eat chili and
drink more milk shakes.

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Like, yeah, forget about it.
He pretty much got it.

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Occasionally, they would also go
to the parking lot at Capitol

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Beach.
Each and they would play chicken

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with cars.
And you know what that game is?

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Two people drive directly at
each other and whoever swerves

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first loses a chicken, Charlie
never swerved Charlie was ready

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to hit them kids.
So, he always won.

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So Charlie and Bob, really like
stealing cars and stripping them

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for fun.
They bought together a 1941 for

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to take trips to Kansas where
they could buy three point two

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percent beer, and bring it back
to Nebraska because even though

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prohibition was over a lot of
states still Bandit, but you

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could buy beer if it was three
point two percent alcohol or

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lower.
That's like in Pennsylvania, how

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we can buy beer and wine coolers
from the gas station because

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it's below. 40 proof, hmm.
Otherwise we got to go to a

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liquor store, to get the
hardcore stuff.

450
00:27:54,500 --> 00:27:57,900
Yes, the good stuff.
Now, Charlie even got a

451
00:27:57,908 --> 00:28:01,200
girlfriend at his new school.
That girl later told folks that

452
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,400
she never heard him swear smoke
or drink.

453
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,200
He never tried to put a move on
her and he even went to church

454
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,100
with her.
Sometimes she thought he was

455
00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:12,900
like the best voice she'd ever
met and she was absolutely

456
00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:16,600
confused to find out all the
stuff that he was talking after

457
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:21,900
he got caught.
But Charlie stays in school

458
00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:25,400
until 16 where he leaves and
begins working at the Western

459
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:30,500
newspaper, Union on October 5th,
1955, where he was paid 85 Cent

460
00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:34,800
an hour to bail paper, which I
learned mean shred it.

461
00:28:34,900 --> 00:28:37,800
Now, I'm not sure if they were
using paper, Baler machines or

462
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,900
he just had to load them up or
he was shredding them by hands,

463
00:28:40,900 --> 00:28:43,000
but it was a job and he was
making money.

464
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,000
So he's pretty cool about it.
Yeah, he was eventually able to

465
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,800
buy himself a 1949 Ford of his
own.

466
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,500
And he buy the parts to improve
it and he made it super fast.

467
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,900
He bought a 22 rifle, a 410
gauge shotgun at 32 revolver and

468
00:28:58,900 --> 00:29:01,800
he got into the woods and
practice on small animals.

469
00:29:02,100 --> 00:29:04,000
Uh-huh, not good.
No.

470
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,700
But you did become a really good
shot.

471
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,600
Now work became an issue because
Charlie felt like he was smart,

472
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,100
but the job didn't think he was
worth giving him a raise.

473
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,500
And they would have him trained
other people who had gone to

474
00:29:16,500 --> 00:29:18,900
college.
And those folks look past him,

475
00:29:19,100 --> 00:29:20,200
and he said that no one ever.
Ever.

476
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,400
Praise him at work and it made
them hate him.

477
00:29:23,500 --> 00:29:25,600
This was about the time that
Charlie started dreaming about

478
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,600
death.
He was about 17.

479
00:29:28,300 --> 00:29:31,300
He believed that death was
courting him that she had marked

480
00:29:31,300 --> 00:29:34,700
him to have a short life.
He had dreams about her showing

481
00:29:34,700 --> 00:29:38,400
up telling him to not be afraid
of the coffin, he get in it, and

482
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,700
then it would sail into a giant
fire.

483
00:29:41,500 --> 00:29:44,000
He said that the beams with the
Flames were beautiful, and then

484
00:29:44,008 --> 00:29:47,900
he would wake up, he would go on
to tell James Reinhardt that he

485
00:29:47,900 --> 00:29:50,100
saw these delusions in the
daytime too.

486
00:29:51,300 --> 00:29:53,100
He said he would wake up Before
Dawn.

487
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,000
Out his window and there was
death staring at him.

488
00:29:56,300 --> 00:29:59,500
He said, the death looked like
half, human and half bear, but

489
00:29:59,500 --> 00:30:03,300
she had no neck or arms or ears
and that he also said that,

490
00:30:03,300 --> 00:30:07,200
sometimes he would hear a loud
sharp whistle in the wind and he

491
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:12,100
knew that she was calling him so
bad.

492
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:17,100
So Sam is encrypted this is so
metal Jazz.

493
00:30:17,100 --> 00:30:22,000
So death was a Cryptid.
Apparently according to Charlie,

494
00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:24,700
oh my God.
And then Just a Flames.

495
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,300
It was like oh so you're going
to hell?

496
00:30:26,300 --> 00:30:29,700
Got it?
I mean you say didn't fear death

497
00:30:29,700 --> 00:30:32,600
though because he knew the world
on the other side couldn't is be

498
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,800
as bad as this one.
Charlie felt like he was denied

499
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,100
the better things in life and he
knew he was never going to

500
00:30:38,108 --> 00:30:41,700
experience a high class
restaurant or see a Yankees game

501
00:30:41,700 --> 00:30:45,000
or go to any of the wonderful
places that the world had to

502
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:50,200
tell him about Charlie.
Really only found his pride in

503
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,600
being a great shooter but like
he would go hunting with people

504
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,300
and he would take an automatic
rifle and they'd be like he

505
00:30:58,300 --> 00:31:03,300
shoots and then he just keep
shooting until there's nothing

506
00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:05,700
no bullets left.
And sometimes he would just

507
00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:09,000
shoot into the wild with no
target until his gun was empty.

508
00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:15,900
Hmm, Like it.
So let's switch gears.

509
00:31:17,700 --> 00:31:21,600
We're going to talk about Carol
and Fugate born, July 30th 1943

510
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,200
to her mother Velda, faggot, and
her father.

511
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,900
William.
She had two sisters Barbara, and

512
00:31:27,900 --> 00:31:30,500
eventually Betty Jean.
But Betty Jeanne doesn't get

513
00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:35,100
born until a lot later.
Dad isn't mentioned a whole lot

514
00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:39,000
by name and many books because I
found out, he was a real heavy

515
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,000
drinker who frequently wasted
all of his family's money on

516
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,200
alcohol.
They often had to move due to

517
00:31:46,208 --> 00:31:49,600
being evicted because of
Williams drinking habits, like

518
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,000
when I say they were poor, I
mean they were so poor, the

519
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,500
girls didn't have any toys and
of course, both didn't know he

520
00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:58,600
was this bad when they dated.
And once they were married, she

521
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,100
wouldn't divorce him because she
was a devout Christian.

522
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,500
She was part of the Church of
Nazarene who followed Jesus as

523
00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:07,200
part of the Bible pretty
intensely.

524
00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:10,100
So that was good.
Do her best to make this work.

525
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,200
She was an optimist but she was
also very practical.

526
00:32:14,900 --> 00:32:17,000
The girls did not grow up
believing in Santa Claus or the

527
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,700
Easter Bunny.
She knew before Barbara was even

528
00:32:20,700 --> 00:32:24,300
born that Williams drinking was
going to keep them from even the

529
00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:26,800
basic necessities.
So there was no way she was

530
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,300
going to let these girls hope
for presents and chocolates.

531
00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:30,800
Knowing they were never going to
be there.

532
00:32:32,900 --> 00:32:37,300
William was an odd man and Velda
had, overlooked some obvious red

533
00:32:37,300 --> 00:32:40,600
flags He never talked about his
mother or father.

534
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,600
There were no the gates in
Nebraska at all.

535
00:32:44,300 --> 00:32:46,600
Hmm.
Now, sober William was the life

536
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,200
of the party.
He did magic tricks, like

537
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,400
pulling a penny out of your ear,
he would sit and play guitar all

538
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,200
night.
One of his favorite things to do

539
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,000
was make up really raunchy songs
to make the little his

540
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,600
daughters, laughs.
And then Velda would chastise

541
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,500
him for making songs about
lighting farts on fire.

542
00:33:02,700 --> 00:33:07,300
I'm a child.
Sorry, when he was drunk,

543
00:33:07,300 --> 00:33:09,600
though.
He was really terrible, man.

544
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,600
He had Barb's for anyone who
crossed him and Velda found

545
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,600
herself relieved when he didn't
come home from vendors because

546
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,000
she knew he was probably in jail
and she'd have a day of quiet

547
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,800
and relief Carolyn Barbara
learned to rely only on their

548
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,900
mother.
And they adored her, she was

549
00:33:23,900 --> 00:33:27,000
always up before them smiling
ready for the day.

550
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,500
She sat by them as they went to
sleep every night and the girls

551
00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:31,300
took naps.
The mill.

552
00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:32,700
Had a Volvo was there when they
wake up.

553
00:33:32,700 --> 00:33:35,500
Cup woke up and later on, when
they came home from school, she

554
00:33:35,500 --> 00:33:37,200
was always at the door, waiting
for them.

555
00:33:37,900 --> 00:33:40,300
The only time Carolyn Barber
couldn't be near, their mother

556
00:33:40,300 --> 00:33:43,000
was, when William got violent
and well do lock them in their

557
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,500
closet to protect them.
It was there, the girls cry for

558
00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:50,200
their mother, they worried for
her, they listen to him scream

559
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,500
and call her names trash the
house.

560
00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:56,000
Once he was gone, wild would
open up the door and they'd hug

561
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,500
her mom and their mom and make
sure she was okay.

562
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,600
She'd tell them they're all
right, and then help them get

563
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:05,500
back in the bed and go to sleep.
About you and Carol was for and

564
00:34:05,500 --> 00:34:08,600
Barbara was seven.
Zelda had to pack up and move

565
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,699
again, with William, with the
support of her mother pansy

566
00:34:11,699 --> 00:34:13,400
Street.
They all moved to this tenement

567
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,000
house, run by a really nice
landlady.

568
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,500
Name met Holly pansy live there
in a unit to, which allowed the

569
00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:20,699
girls to see their grandmother,
whenever they wanted, which

570
00:34:20,699 --> 00:34:23,400
helped because Velda has started
to try and do a little jobs here

571
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,699
and there to balance out
Williams wastefulness.

572
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,400
The girls kind of got a fun
extended family of other kids

573
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,600
who lived in the building.
They met friends.

574
00:34:31,900 --> 00:34:34,800
Pansy tried to teach Carol, all
sorts of things while Barbara

575
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,699
was in school, but Carol did not
take well to anything that took

576
00:34:37,699 --> 00:34:43,800
more than 5 minutes to learn.
Yeah, pansy and Carol, butted

577
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,800
heads, but pansy always told her
I love you Carol Anne even

578
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,100
though I may not like how you
behave, you know, one of the

579
00:34:51,100 --> 00:34:55,500
things that Carol learn from her
dad was cursing and William

580
00:34:55,500 --> 00:34:58,800
thought it was hilarious, but
both pansy and Velda hated it.

581
00:34:59,100 --> 00:35:02,700
They managed to get her to only
do it at home, but pretty much

582
00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:05,700
everybody in the community,
found out that Carol swore, like

583
00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:09,600
a sailor when she was five and
ran out into the street and got

584
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,300
hit by a truck, the man who was
in the truck was like, don't

585
00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:17,400
move and she rolled out from
under his truck, bald, her tiny

586
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,400
little fist.
She's only five years old and

587
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,600
yells.
You dirty goddamn son of a bitch

588
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,600
truck driver.
You run me over.

589
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,900
This is everybody saw.
She was rushed to the hospital.

590
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,100
No broken bones.
But she was pretty black and

591
00:35:32,100 --> 00:35:34,600
blue and sore.
The following day, Carol was

592
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:39,800
like, can I still go to church?
And her mom was like, Yeah,

593
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:40,700
thank you.
Sure.

594
00:35:40,700 --> 00:35:43,800
You want to go to church?
Like, when her mom was brushing

595
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,400
her hair, like a chunk of her
hair fell out.

596
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,400
And so her mom was like, you
need to heal, but Carol was

597
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,800
like, I want to go to church and
get milk and cookies and Zelda

598
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,200
was like, listen, they might not
give you milk and cookies

599
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,000
because everybody heard you
swear yesterday?

600
00:35:57,100 --> 00:36:02,100
Yeah, well when Carol came home
she was like not only did I get

601
00:36:02,100 --> 00:36:05,300
milk and cookies?
I got double and apparently the

602
00:36:06,300 --> 00:36:10,400
pastor had made a sermon about
Carol about how through the

603
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,900
grace of God, you can survive
anything?

604
00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:16,500
Okay.
So he had used her for the

605
00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:21,300
sermon that week.
Of course, the only person, the

606
00:36:21,300 --> 00:36:23,700
girls didn't really like was
there, great-grandma, Hitchcock,

607
00:36:24,100 --> 00:36:25,500
because they thought she was a
witch.

608
00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:28,200
She lives in this big house and
have a lock, which is like kind

609
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,800
of in the suburbs.
She wore those large long black

610
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,500
dresses and she talked about
ghosts, and the girls didn't

611
00:36:35,500 --> 00:36:38,600
like visiting her, because as
soon as she got there, Grandma

612
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,600
hitch, Blood present them with
these bags of herbs and tobacco

613
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,900
then make them wear them around
their neck while they were

614
00:36:44,900 --> 00:36:47,400
there.
Yeah, it's Warden charms.

615
00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:50,000
I was like, yo, I was like
Grandma Hitchcock.

616
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:54,400
My actually really be a, which
is she was giving y'all charms

617
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,800
to protect you.
I'm just saying she definitely

618
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,700
was as well as soon as they left
her house, they would throw them

619
00:36:59,700 --> 00:37:01,100
in the bushes.
They didn't want to wear them.

620
00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:04,100
They said they stank, but life
of the tenement house is pretty

621
00:37:04,100 --> 00:37:05,800
great.
They live near the State

622
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,600
Theater, they would get to go on
weekends.

623
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,700
They could turn in five.
Milk carton tops.

624
00:37:09,700 --> 00:37:13,200
And you got to see a movie for
free things.

625
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:18,900
Came to a head, one weekend in
almost almost in Winter, William

626
00:37:18,900 --> 00:37:21,300
was home, and he was wasted and
the girls are hiding in the

627
00:37:21,300 --> 00:37:26,700
closet but they heard a scream
and a thud, and they kind of

628
00:37:26,700 --> 00:37:30,000
came out of the closet.
And they saw William choking

629
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:35,600
valda Barbara grabbed a butcher
knife and attempted to stop her

630
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,400
father while Carol grabbed a
hammer and tried to To hit his

631
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,800
toes.
Then pansy came bursting through

632
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:47,000
the door, grab the knife out of
Barbara's, hands and William ran

633
00:37:48,500 --> 00:37:51,600
The four women kind of held each
other.

634
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,700
And finally valda says that does
it he goes.

635
00:37:56,900 --> 00:37:59,400
Which coincidentally couple
weeks later they had their first

636
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,800
Christmas with a real tree and
everything.

637
00:38:02,900 --> 00:38:04,400
It was about a week after the
attack.

638
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,400
When the girls spent like hours,
making decorations for the tree

639
00:38:07,700 --> 00:38:11,600
Williams showed up, spoke to No
One packed up, everything in 10

640
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,700
minutes and then rushed out of
the apartment knocking the tree

641
00:38:14,700 --> 00:38:19,400
over, you son of a bitch.
Carol watched him leave out of

642
00:38:19,408 --> 00:38:24,600
the window and she saw him get
into a cab with woman and that

643
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:30,100
was the last time she saw him as
a Ooh, Girl, valda knew she

644
00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:32,600
wasn't gonna get a dime out of
money of from William.

645
00:38:32,900 --> 00:38:35,700
So she took a full-time job.
The girls spent their time with

646
00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:40,900
Aunt, Lola, Mae and mr.
Mrs. Ortiz, mrs.

647
00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:44,200
Ortiz had a daughter that was
their age and that was when both

648
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,200
pansy and Velda were working
full time.

649
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,500
This kind of group of women in
the house, they live together.

650
00:38:49,500 --> 00:38:50,900
They cook together did the
dishes.

651
00:38:50,900 --> 00:38:55,800
Wash their clothes clean
together Velda began to find fun

652
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,200
in doing.
Puzzles.

653
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:02,800
When the girls were in bed at
night, That was when Marion

654
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,300
Bartlett entered their lives.
He's in his 50s and a World War

655
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:08,700
Two vet and he unveiled the work
together.

656
00:39:09,300 --> 00:39:12,500
There was a 20 year, age Gap,
but they loved each other.

657
00:39:12,500 --> 00:39:15,400
They felt like real quick and
Marion moved in.

658
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,500
It was a little crowded but he
very quickly got used to these

659
00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:22,400
hyper little girls and he
treated well do like gold.

660
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,300
He loved his stepdaughters very
much and he called them his

661
00:39:25,300 --> 00:39:28,600
daughters from the start.
In fact, when carrot like right

662
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,300
after he moved in Carol's about
11 years old, And she really

663
00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:34,100
tried it with him.
There was a mop in the kitchen

664
00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:36,100
like a dust mop on the counter
and he was like, Hey, you could

665
00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:37,800
put that away and she was like,
why don't you put it away your

666
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:44,500
damn self?
He kind of nip that in the bud.

667
00:39:44,500 --> 00:39:47,600
He also wasn't really fond of
little girls wearing makeup or

668
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,700
eating lots of sweets.
Even though Carol and Barb

669
00:39:49,700 --> 00:39:55,400
objected to it, they listened on
February 11th, 1955 Velda had

670
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,400
her third child, Betty Jean
Bartlett.

671
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,700
And everybody was so excited.
Carol.

672
00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:03,300
Her Patty because she thought
that was a better name for the

673
00:40:03,300 --> 00:40:05,600
child.
And so when she came home from

674
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:10,000
school, she would be like Patty
and Betty Jean would just laugh.

675
00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:13,800
The family moved to Belmont
Street shortly after Betty Jean

676
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,700
was born.
It was a nice house but it only

677
00:40:15,700 --> 00:40:19,000
had one bedroom originally, and
it was no Plumbing inside.

678
00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:21,900
Barban Carol, shared the bedroom
and the parents left in the

679
00:40:21,900 --> 00:40:24,900
living room.
Eventually Marion would add a

680
00:40:24,908 --> 00:40:27,700
master bedroom on to the house
as well as a bathroom.

681
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,700
He even bought the television,
which the girls thought.

682
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,900
That was awesome.
It was awesome.

683
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,900
The first summer they live
there, they canned vegetables

684
00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:42,200
but they grow they had chickens
and hens they did have a rooster

685
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,800
at one point but uh whenever it
was mating time, he got real

686
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,600
aggressive and eventually Velda
cooked him.

687
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,300
Because she was tired of getting
packed by them.

688
00:40:55,300 --> 00:40:58,000
The male rooster?
Yeah, makes sense.

689
00:40:58,700 --> 00:41:01,800
They were going exceptionally.
Well and then that year, William

690
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:06,400
popped up and he invited Barb
and Carol to meet his new wife

691
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,100
named dot.
They did not want to go, but

692
00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:11,500
valda was like, you have to go
talk to your father.

693
00:41:11,700 --> 00:41:15,400
So Mary and drove Barb Carol and
Betty Jean over to the house and

694
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,600
was like, I'll be back at 4:00
p.m. sharp.

695
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:23,100
It was a very long day.
Because Barb and Carol didn't

696
00:41:23,100 --> 00:41:27,200
really remember him outside of
like trauma and they pretty much

697
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,500
ignored him and played with
Betty Jean and they would like,

698
00:41:30,500 --> 00:41:31,900
have her be crawling on the
table.

699
00:41:31,900 --> 00:41:34,800
And she's like, if you fall, I'm
not gonna get you and then Betty

700
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,000
Jean would crawl off the table
and of course, Carol would catch

701
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,100
her.
And they, pretty much bleed that

702
00:41:39,100 --> 00:41:44,300
came for like hours and ignored
their dad and when Mary into the

703
00:41:44,300 --> 00:41:47,200
horn at four pm William was
like, hey do you want to live

704
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,000
with us?
And Carol said, he'll know if a

705
00:41:50,008 --> 00:41:54,900
friend Out the door, those
boring at your house.

706
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,200
Um things went pretty well for
the next two years, nothing to

707
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,300
major in terms of Life on
settling moments.

708
00:42:00,500 --> 00:42:03,500
Barbara turn 16 and 1956.
And she got a baby, a job

709
00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:05,100
babysitting.
For five kids, who live down the

710
00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:07,400
street.
She had a friend named Barbara

711
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:12,800
Griggs, who was dating Rodney
Starkweather Rodney introduced

712
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:17,800
Barbara to his brother Charlie
and they would all hang out

713
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,100
around the Greg house and go to
movies.

714
00:42:20,500 --> 00:42:24,900
And one day, Charlie brought his
friend Bob over and while Bob

715
00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:29,900
and Barb connected.
But Bob was like this kind of

716
00:42:29,900 --> 00:42:32,700
sucks that I'm sort of stealing
you from my friend.

717
00:42:32,700 --> 00:42:35,900
I don't know if he likes you,
but like y'all were hanging out.

718
00:42:36,100 --> 00:42:42,500
So, then, Barbara came up with
the idea to introduce 18 year

719
00:42:42,500 --> 00:42:45,400
old Charlie to 13 year old
Carolyn.

720
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,100
And if the two liked each other
than they could all go on double

721
00:42:48,100 --> 00:42:52,700
dates together and it would be
okay for Bob and Barb to date.

722
00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:59,900
Okay, I got you there.
So they set up this blind date

723
00:42:59,900 --> 00:43:03,600
and everybody was going to go
out on a November of 1956.

724
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,600
Now, Barbara was like okay come
over one night and then my

725
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:14,500
parents can meet buddy Carroll.
Now, Bob and Barb.

726
00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:16,800
It already kind of been dating.
So when Carol saw them at the

727
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,500
door, she was like, oh, bat
cool.

728
00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:20,600
Whenever Bob comes over, I get
to go hang out with the big

729
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,400
kids.
Now, the boys were like, hey can

730
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,600
we take the girls to this?
Local Burger Joint?

731
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,500
It's called runs has and even
though they had already eaten

732
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,900
Velda, now mrs.
Bartlet was like, fine.

733
00:43:32,900 --> 00:43:37,500
Okay, they all went out Carol.
Talked to Charlie, he was very

734
00:43:37,500 --> 00:43:39,900
shy.
They hit it off though, she

735
00:43:39,900 --> 00:43:42,700
thought he was super cool, and
his black leather jacket, and

736
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,900
Boy boots.
And they went out a bunch of

737
00:43:44,900 --> 00:43:47,900
times, and even though Marian
thought Charlie was incredibly

738
00:43:47,900 --> 00:43:49,700
too much old.
He was way too old for his

739
00:43:49,700 --> 00:43:52,200
daughter.
Bottle was like I feel okay with

740
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:57,100
this because they're never
alone, they're always with Bob

741
00:43:57,100 --> 00:44:01,500
and Barb.
So what did the she's like there

742
00:44:01,500 --> 00:44:04,300
won't be any funny business
because they never get any

743
00:44:04,300 --> 00:44:05,600
chance to be alone with each
other.

744
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:14,300
All children.
Well, Charlie had taken his gang

745
00:44:14,300 --> 00:44:17,500
chicken game to a new level and
now he was participating in

746
00:44:17,500 --> 00:44:20,000
demolition derby.
And so they would go to his like

747
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,400
events and Carrollwood screaming
the stands.

748
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,300
And she thought this was very
exciting and Charlie kind of up

749
00:44:25,300 --> 00:44:27,900
to word sweetness, two words,
Carol and Carol would fuss over

750
00:44:27,900 --> 00:44:30,200
him when he got hurt.
At work or when he would put

751
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,100
himself down about being short.
And she was like, well, you're

752
00:44:33,100 --> 00:44:35,700
the right height for me, and
sure.

753
00:44:35,700 --> 00:44:40,300
King, feels like 56, Charlie
bought her little gifts and

754
00:44:40,300 --> 00:44:44,000
things and Carol sorta.
Let the love she developed.

755
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,100
For Charlie replaced, the hole
in her heart that William had

756
00:44:47,100 --> 00:44:50,700
made.
Now Charlie never tried anything

757
00:44:50,700 --> 00:44:54,300
farther than a kiss, according
to his friend Bob and also

758
00:44:54,300 --> 00:44:56,800
according to Carol, except for
that one other time that I'll

759
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,000
talk about later now.
These weren't exactly the sexy

760
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,500
dates of the modern era, the
group just hung out went to

761
00:45:02,500 --> 00:45:06,000
movies dinner and Derby.
Charlie's Family wasn't really

762
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:10,600
into him dating a girl too young
either and his dad was like,

763
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:12,900
don't be messing around with
young girls.

764
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:20,100
So February 14th, 1957, Bob and
Barbara get married in Council

765
00:45:20,100 --> 00:45:24,500
Bluffs Iowa because it is, you
are not allowed to get married

766
00:45:24,500 --> 00:45:27,600
under 18 in Nebraska.
So they went to another state.

767
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,400
Okay, those are wasn't excited
about it but Bob had a steady

768
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,300
job as a garbage collector.
They moved into the same

769
00:45:37,300 --> 00:45:39,900
tenement house that they used to
live in owned by met.

770
00:45:39,900 --> 00:45:42,900
Holly Carol.
Took over the babysitting gig

771
00:45:42,900 --> 00:45:45,500
which was 4 to 9 p.m. every
Monday through Friday.

772
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,000
By Spring Barb was pregnant and
everybody was happy except for

773
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,800
Marion who was like, I don't
really like why is this

774
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:57,300
happening so fast?
And so he was like, listen,

775
00:45:57,300 --> 00:45:59,800
Carol, go to college, you want
to be a nurse, don't following

776
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,200
her sister's footsteps.
Young got to have a baby at 16,

777
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:07,800
even if you do have a husband
now by July of 57 Charlie hit

778
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,500
quit his job at the newspaper
company.

779
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,300
And now Marian was sure he
wasn't a good boyfriend because

780
00:46:13,300 --> 00:46:15,200
the dude didn't even have a job
anymore.

781
00:46:17,300 --> 00:46:21,000
Especially one time he came back
to the house and saw Carol, like

782
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,800
bandaging his face, and he was
just like, yeah, that's because

783
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,100
to be out.
Getting in fights.

784
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:31,200
Not a good boyfriend.
This is very true but Marian

785
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,100
knew he was outnumbered in the
debate so he just like kept an

786
00:46:34,100 --> 00:46:37,100
eye on things.
He figured Carol's work in

787
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,300
cousin Carol's going to school
for eight hours a day.

788
00:46:39,300 --> 00:46:42,300
Then she's working for five
hours, five days a week and she

789
00:46:42,300 --> 00:46:45,700
watches her sister and she helps
her mom and she reads comics.

790
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,100
She has a lot of varied
interests and Charlie comes to

791
00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:56,400
the house to hang out with her
so I can watch things now.

792
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,300
Carol was was happy beyond
belief.

793
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,600
She was going to be excited,
she's going to become an aunt.

794
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,200
She had friends, a cute
boyfriend.

795
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,100
She had a job.
She felt so grown-up and Marion

796
00:47:07,100 --> 00:47:09,700
was the best substitute for a
dad that a girl could ask for

797
00:47:09,700 --> 00:47:13,500
him.
As the fall came and 57 Charlie

798
00:47:13,500 --> 00:47:16,700
got a job at the garbage company
with his brother Rodney Carol

799
00:47:16,700 --> 00:47:18,000
started.
The eighth grade at Whittier

800
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:22,600
Junior High School.
There was a small accident where

801
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,800
Carol got in a car accident
driving, Charlie's Car home from

802
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:31,400
school.
He kind of gave it to her

803
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,700
because like he was always
giving her things.

804
00:47:36,300 --> 00:47:42,000
He definitely equated.
Love with physical goods.

805
00:47:42,500 --> 00:47:45,400
And he was liked by her all
sorts of stuff and she's just

806
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,600
like, I don't need all this.
He's like whatever drive my car

807
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,400
home.
Well, the problem is Marion,

808
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,400
look, she was terrified and she
actually ended up walking home

809
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,100
like crying and Bob saw her, and
picked her up and drove her

810
00:47:57,100 --> 00:47:58,900
home.
And she was like, I can't tell

811
00:47:58,900 --> 00:48:00,400
Marion, he's gonna be so upset
with me.

812
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,200
I'm not even supposed to be
driving and Bob went in and told

813
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,100
Mary Ann, what happened?
And Marion went out and like

814
00:48:06,100 --> 00:48:07,400
hugged her.
And was like, you're okay,

815
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,000
you're fine.
I don't care about the car.

816
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:15,000
It's Not even my car.
However, guy Starkweather had

817
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:19,600
helped Charlie co-sign for that
new truck and he was mad.

818
00:48:19,900 --> 00:48:22,400
And in fact, he threw Charlie
out of the house.

819
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,700
So Charlie moved in with Bob and
Barb.

820
00:48:27,500 --> 00:48:30,700
The fall was the first time that
Carol noticed that Charlie was

821
00:48:30,700 --> 00:48:33,300
possessive.
He want her to quit her

822
00:48:33,300 --> 00:48:35,500
babysitting jobs, they could
spend more time together.

823
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,800
He gave her a bank card to his
bank saying that if he ever got

824
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,200
in trouble with his gang, you
could have all my money.

825
00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:48,700
He also then got his own room at
the tenement house.

826
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,500
But it was really annoying for
Carol because if she stopped by

827
00:48:52,500 --> 00:48:54,800
to visit her grandmother there
was Charlie, knocking on the

828
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,800
door.
Hime Grandma pansy.

829
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:01,000
Can I help you with anything?
If she went to go talk to Barb

830
00:49:01,100 --> 00:49:04,700
and chart you know he would just
show up unlock the door because

831
00:49:04,700 --> 00:49:09,500
he had a key to the place.
Hey Bub, let's hang out like

832
00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:12,200
Carol was just like, we won't
leave me alone.

833
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:13,800
Look.
Do I need my space?

834
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,200
Okay, this is just you and me
time, which is cool.

835
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,000
But I also need my me time.
The whole circle.

836
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,700
He kept telling those weird
stories about how he was gonna.

837
00:49:23,700 --> 00:49:27,900
Like, he came from Texas and he
was born in Texas and he's a

838
00:49:27,908 --> 00:49:30,000
sheriff back there.
And he was going back.

839
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,700
And he also would talk about how
they were going to make all this

840
00:49:32,700 --> 00:49:36,500
money and he was going to take
Carol away from everything and

841
00:49:36,500 --> 00:49:38,900
Carol was like stop your garbage
man.

842
00:49:38,900 --> 00:49:41,900
Nobody makes a hundred dollars
is being a garbage man.

843
00:49:43,900 --> 00:49:46,600
Carol didn't actually quit her
job but it had nothing to do

844
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,200
with Charlie.
Apparently, she had been

845
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,000
watching the children and the
father of the children came

846
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:57,100
home, and he made a joke saying
that Carol looked pregnant and

847
00:49:57,100 --> 00:50:00,200
she got so offended.
She told the mom that she never

848
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,200
wanted to see him again, she was
like, that's disgusting ill.

849
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,800
I would never.
I would never have a child.

850
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,400
And she was like, listen, I'll
watch your babies but I don't

851
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,300
want to talk to your husband
anymore because I don't like

852
00:50:21,300 --> 00:50:24,700
him, he's disgusting and what he
was like I will find another

853
00:50:24,700 --> 00:50:26,200
babysitter.
It's all right.

854
00:50:27,100 --> 00:50:28,200
That's funny.
Well.

855
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,900
Now Carol's e things were all
open and Charlie was like great,

856
00:50:30,900 --> 00:50:32,800
I get to see Carl whenever I
want.

857
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,000
No.
Because Carol still want to hang

858
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,500
out with her family.
Yeah.

859
00:50:37,500 --> 00:50:41,000
And he might be time damn it.
Charlie had gotten to a place

860
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,100
where he really wasn't talking
to any of his family except for

861
00:50:43,100 --> 00:50:46,300
his brother Rodney and he was
spending like all of this money

862
00:50:46,300 --> 00:50:49,300
on I'm Carol to the point where
some days he wouldn't have

863
00:50:49,300 --> 00:50:53,700
enough money for his rent and
the local and may who owned the

864
00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:56,400
tenement house.
Would lock his door.

865
00:50:57,900 --> 00:51:02,000
So that he couldn't get in to
his room and so he have to sleep

866
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,200
in his car at a local service
station and used the bathroom

867
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:06,900
there in the morning to clean up
before work.

868
00:51:08,700 --> 00:51:12,200
Then in December he was living
like I'm telling you the fantasy

869
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:16,100
world was like full lock here.
He went back to his old job at

870
00:51:16,100 --> 00:51:19,100
the paper company and he told
everybody there that he was

871
00:51:19,100 --> 00:51:23,200
going to be a dad soon and he
was so excited that his

872
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:27,700
girlfriend Carol was pregnant.
Carol and Charlie had almost

873
00:51:27,700 --> 00:51:32,100
never been alone.
They were she was never pregnant

874
00:51:32,100 --> 00:51:33,500
by him.
Yeah.

875
00:51:33,500 --> 00:51:37,900
In fact I don't think she's ever
gotten pregnant in her whole

876
00:51:37,900 --> 00:51:39,500
life.
Oh my God.

877
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:47,600
So the first murder happens on
November 30th 1957, the victim

878
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,900
was 21 year old Robert George
Culvert, Robert had recently

879
00:51:50,900 --> 00:51:54,300
left the Navy and worked at the
service station, the Charlie

880
00:51:54,300 --> 00:51:58,500
often slept at when he couldn't
make rent all the police knew at

881
00:51:58,500 --> 00:52:01,700
the time was that Robert had
been found on Cornhusker Highway

882
00:52:01,900 --> 00:52:05,000
with a shotgun blast to the back
of his head at close range.

883
00:52:06,300 --> 00:52:10,100
They determined that somewhat
rare before between 11 p.m. and

884
00:52:10,100 --> 00:52:14,100
4 a.m. which was Robert shift.
Someone came in to steal stuff,

885
00:52:15,100 --> 00:52:17,700
the killer has stolen a hundred
and sixty dollars from the

886
00:52:17,700 --> 00:52:20,600
register and another sixty six
dollars off of Robert.

887
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,100
Since Robert was new at the job
and didn't know the number to

888
00:52:24,100 --> 00:52:27,200
the safe, most of the money who
that was there had not been

889
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,000
stolen.
That was just the days tape.

890
00:52:30,900 --> 00:52:32,200
So, I'm gonna lay this out for
you.

891
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,300
So December 2nd 1957, a
consignment store, owner named

892
00:52:35,300 --> 00:52:41,600
Katherine Kemp calls the police.
And she's like, hey da that case

893
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:46,500
that you was in the news.
I heard on the radio today, how,

894
00:52:46,500 --> 00:52:50,000
what kind of denominations were
stolen and the police officer

895
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,100
was like, well, lots of them.
He was like, he was everything

896
00:52:53,100 --> 00:52:54,900
like, even like silver and
stuff.

897
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,400
Mmm.
And so, she was like, listen

898
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,900
this young man comes in all the
time and normally he never

899
00:52:59,900 --> 00:53:05,700
spends more than Two dollars.
But today he spent a lot.

900
00:53:06,900 --> 00:53:09,600
She told the police.
He looked like he was between 20

901
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,700
and 26 years old.
He had freckles, red hair and

902
00:53:12,700 --> 00:53:15,500
broken glasses.
Now, the officer brought him a

903
00:53:15,500 --> 00:53:18,600
bunch of pictures of people who
have been arrested, but here's

904
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,900
the problem.
Charlie wasn't in his 20s.

905
00:53:23,300 --> 00:53:27,000
So, the police brought her
pictures of people who matched

906
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:31,800
her description.
He didn't have the right photos,

907
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,100
because Charlie was only 19.
He had just turned 19.

908
00:53:35,500 --> 00:53:37,900
Yeah.
December 3rd.

909
00:53:37,900 --> 00:53:40,600
Charlie shows up at the tenement
house.

910
00:53:40,700 --> 00:53:44,600
Pays all of his back rent to met
Holly and her husband's like,

911
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,400
where'd you get all this cash?
All of a sudden and Charlie's

912
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,300
like well I had to use all my
savings.

913
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,600
He was also wearing all brand
new clothes.

914
00:53:54,100 --> 00:53:57,600
Hmm he went to his parents house
that day visited his mother

915
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,700
Helen and Dad guy, Helen was so
excited because she hadn't seen

916
00:54:01,700 --> 00:54:04,300
him since he started dating
Carol because he was obsessed

917
00:54:04,300 --> 00:54:08,100
with Carol, right?
In the meantime, Carol's busy

918
00:54:08,100 --> 00:54:11,800
getting ready for Christmas
Marion had spilled that he

919
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,200
bought Velda a washing machine
and so they were all very

920
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,500
excited to see valve has face
when she got an indoor washing

921
00:54:18,500 --> 00:54:20,200
machine.
It's awesome.

922
00:54:20,500 --> 00:54:22,600
Also, Carol was like, listen,
that's gonna be great for me

923
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:23,900
too.
I don't have to bend over a

924
00:54:23,900 --> 00:54:27,900
washbasin, she had bought play
dishes for Betty Jean.

925
00:54:27,900 --> 00:54:32,100
She bought some new things for
the baby that barb was going to

926
00:54:32,100 --> 00:54:36,000
have.
Meanwhile Charlie paints his

927
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,800
blue Ford.
Black changes the interior makes

928
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,100
it red.
Yeah, probably because there was

929
00:54:42,100 --> 00:54:45,000
somebody in the car, you know,
and then might have been Blood

930
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:49,500
on the car, huh?
Not not because the blue Ford

931
00:54:49,500 --> 00:54:53,700
could have been seen near the
murder scene or anything, right?

932
00:54:53,700 --> 00:54:58,600
Yeah, huh.
The month of December came and

933
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,600
went Charlie gets away with it
later on.

934
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,400
We would find out that the
reason why he got into the

935
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,400
argument with Robert Culvert was
because Charlie wanted Robert to

936
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,400
sell him a stuffed animal on
credit.

937
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,800
And Robert was like we don't
sell things on credit at this

938
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:21,300
store.
Regardless Christmas came,

939
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,700
everyone loved velders reaction
to the new washer.

940
00:55:24,700 --> 00:55:27,400
She said this is the first time
she was excited to do laundry.

941
00:55:29,100 --> 00:55:32,400
Carol loved having her sister
there for the holiday but was

942
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,000
pretty sad.
She kind of miss the old days of

943
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:39,100
them sharing the bed together,
but everybody was super excited.

944
00:55:39,100 --> 00:55:44,200
When little Bobby Von bush, she
was born on December 30th. 1957.

945
00:55:44,500 --> 00:55:48,000
Yes, Bob jr.
Little Bobby.

946
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:53,600
Little Bobby Bush.
That same night, December 30th.

947
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,700
They all went to Charlie's.
They were all the tenement

948
00:55:56,700 --> 00:55:58,200
house.
They visited Barb and her

949
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,500
grandma and May and Orlean.
Or when he even took a picture

950
00:56:01,500 --> 00:56:04,200
of them together, you know, he
was like look at the happy

951
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:10,300
couple and Carol was kind of
like, I don't know if we're

952
00:56:10,300 --> 00:56:11,100
happy.
All right.

953
00:56:11,100 --> 00:56:17,800
Now, honestly the night went
well until Charlie like went off

954
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,700
again, talking about how he was
going to go back to Texas and be

955
00:56:20,700 --> 00:56:24,700
a sheriff and catch all the bad
guys and Carl was just at this

956
00:56:24,700 --> 00:56:25,900
point.
She was kind of weirded out when

957
00:56:25,900 --> 00:56:27,700
he went on these like weird
fantasy talks.

958
00:56:28,300 --> 00:56:30,900
He told Carol, he was tired of
hauling other people's trash and

959
00:56:30,900 --> 00:56:33,600
he wanted to go make more than
$40 a week and he was going to

960
00:56:33,607 --> 00:56:35,600
run away with Carol and they
were going to go to Texas and be

961
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,400
rich.
Carol.

962
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:42,200
Absolutely love Charlie, but she
was growing tired of the quirks.

963
00:56:43,300 --> 00:56:46,600
He wanted to know everything
that she did every moment of the

964
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,900
day that they were apart.
Oh my God, he was especially

965
00:56:49,900 --> 00:56:51,600
interested in.
If boys talk to her while she

966
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:55,100
was at school, he talked about
how Carroll was the only

967
00:56:55,100 --> 00:56:59,500
worthwhile person in the entire
world and Carol was just

968
00:56:59,500 --> 00:57:06,100
starting to feel trapped.
A couple weeks go by Charlie

969
00:57:06,100 --> 00:57:08,300
gets fired from the garbage
company for telling a customer

970
00:57:08,300 --> 00:57:10,100
to go to hell.
Oh my God.

971
00:57:10,100 --> 00:57:11,800
Come on, dude.
The garbage did.

972
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:13,800
The guy on the garbage company
was like, listen the only reason

973
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,600
why I hired you is because your
brother was hearing your

974
00:57:15,607 --> 00:57:19,000
brother's built guys.
So what I'm sick of this people

975
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:24,600
complain about you all the time.
On Sunday, January 19th, 1958

976
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:25,900
things kind of went bad to
worse.

977
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,400
Charlie showed up unannounced to
the Bartlett house while they

978
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,800
were finishing up dinner and you
know, women were cleaning in the

979
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:36,100
kitchen, Carol wasn't in the
best mood at the time and here

980
00:57:36,100 --> 00:57:39,100
was sour face Charlie also in a
terrible mood because he was

981
00:57:39,100 --> 00:57:42,300
fired and Charlie started.
Questioning her about the boys

982
00:57:42,300 --> 00:57:47,200
from school and Carol was like
I'm no go leave if you're in

983
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,600
such a bad move go home right?
Yeah and he was like, I'm not

984
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:52,700
leaving Leaving.
So Carl was like, I want you to

985
00:57:52,700 --> 00:57:54,300
get out and not come back
anymore.

986
00:57:54,300 --> 00:57:59,600
I don't want to see you ever
again valda tried to kind of

987
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,500
quietly just be like, listen
maybe come back in a couple

988
00:58:02,500 --> 00:58:06,000
days, you know, you give her
some space.

989
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,400
Give her some space and just
before Charlie left he was like,

990
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:13,000
are you serious about never
seeing me again and she said yes

991
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:17,000
and then she ran to her room and
cried you know, everything was

992
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,700
really quiet and the Bartlett
house until January 21st valda.

993
00:58:20,900 --> 00:58:24,200
Got coffee and food made from
made for the household.

994
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,100
Read the paper.
Quietly trial went to school,

995
00:58:27,100 --> 00:58:29,300
the family took Betty Gina visit
pansy.

996
00:58:29,900 --> 00:58:32,400
They were planning a really big
family gathering the following

997
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:37,600
Saturday, Charlie volunteered to
help Rodney with his garbage

998
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:39,500
rounds.
If he agreed to let him borrow

999
00:58:39,500 --> 00:58:42,900
his 22 rifle.
He said, now he told Rodney he

1000
00:58:42,900 --> 00:58:45,900
was going hunting with Carol's
dad Marion.

1001
00:58:46,700 --> 00:58:50,400
So Rodney dropped, Charlie off
back at the tenement house

1002
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:51,600
around.
And noon.

1003
00:58:53,700 --> 00:58:59,700
Now, 12:30 Velda Marion and
Betty Jean, leave Barb's house.

1004
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,700
They won Bart like Mary need to
get sleep because he was working

1005
00:59:02,700 --> 00:59:06,400
the night shift.
The family was really surprised

1006
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,800
to see Charlie standing in the
hallway, outside of his door

1007
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,400
with a rifle.
His door had been locked again,

1008
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,000
by May for non-payment for
January.

1009
00:59:15,900 --> 00:59:19,200
At 1:20 p.m.
Miriam I guess.

1010
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,200
He must have dropped the family
off with the house and then gone

1011
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,000
to the local Safeway, which is I
had.

1012
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,700
No Safeway has been around for
so long but he saw one of his

1013
00:59:26,700 --> 00:59:29,600
co-workers, the grocery store.
Yeah, I know.

1014
00:59:29,900 --> 00:59:32,300
I know what it is.
I was like, damn, that is right.

1015
00:59:32,700 --> 00:59:35,000
I don't think we've been around
for so long now.

1016
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,100
This is poignant because the
woman, the co-worker who he saw

1017
00:59:38,100 --> 00:59:40,000
at Safeway her name was Virginia
Robson.

1018
00:59:40,300 --> 00:59:42,900
And when she got back to the
office around 2 p.m., she got a

1019
00:59:42,908 --> 00:59:45,300
note from another secretary who
covered Lunch.

1020
00:59:45,300 --> 00:59:48,700
Chef saying that Marion Bartlett
had just called and said he

1021
00:59:48,700 --> 00:59:52,000
wasn't feeling well and wouldn't
be coming in that night and she

1022
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,400
had just saw him 40 minutes
earlier.

1023
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,700
Now that phone call had come
from the Bartlett house and

1024
00:59:58,700 --> 01:00:01,200
Charlie Starkweather had
absolutely stopped by to talk to

1025
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:05,500
Mary Ann.
I'm Marion had absolutely enough

1026
01:00:05,500 --> 01:00:08,700
with this weird guy and demanded
that Charlie stay away from

1027
01:00:08,700 --> 01:00:12,000
their home and leave Carol
alone, which is when Charlie

1028
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,400
shot, both Mary, and Anne valda
and then strangled, and stabbed,

1029
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:19,300
two year old Betty Jean, then
why is Charlie waited for Carol

1030
01:00:19,300 --> 01:00:21,900
to come home?
He dragged her family's bodies

1031
01:00:21,900 --> 01:00:24,800
out into the back yard, cleaned
up the house as best he could,

1032
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,400
he eventually stored their
bodies in the chicken coop.

1033
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,600
When Carol walked through the
door at about 3:30 that

1034
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:35,400
afternoon, Charlie pull, he
appointed he pointed a gun at

1035
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,700
her and was just like, sit down.
Carol was like what are you

1036
01:00:38,700 --> 01:00:40,400
doing?
You're like whatever.

1037
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,500
Like you're not being serious
like what's wrong.

1038
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,100
She honestly laughed at him
until he slapped her and shoved

1039
01:00:45,100 --> 01:00:47,600
her into a chair.
He told Carol that her parents

1040
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,500
were safe but they were bound
and they would stay safe.

1041
01:00:50,500 --> 01:00:54,000
If she agreed to go with him
willingly, he told her that his

1042
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,200
gang was watching the house.
And if she tried to run away, he

1043
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:01,700
kill her family.
Now, Carol wasn't sure if this

1044
01:01:01,700 --> 01:01:05,000
was just Charlie rambling again,
or if this was real.

1045
01:01:05,100 --> 01:01:07,900
And so she noticed that Charlie
had her mom's pistol on his

1046
01:01:07,900 --> 01:01:11,600
belt.
He spent the night rambling on

1047
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:13,500
and how he killed a man at a gas
station.

1048
01:01:13,500 --> 01:01:16,800
And at one point giving Carol
the pistol and being like shoot

1049
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,400
me.
Okay, the next morning when her

1050
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,400
classmate Bonnie stop by to walk
to the bus.

1051
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,500
Stop Charlie, threatened to kill
her.

1052
01:01:24,900 --> 01:01:29,400
So Carol was like I'm sick,
don't come back.

1053
01:01:31,300 --> 01:01:33,300
Charlie spent most of the day
telling her that if she stopped

1054
01:01:33,300 --> 01:01:35,800
one title on, he call his gang
in her parents would be killed.

1055
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,400
So Carol did whatever he asked
if he wanted food.

1056
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,900
She cooked it for him.
She got the mail that the dog.

1057
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:44,500
When Rodney his own brother
stopped by, he was like if you

1058
01:01:44,500 --> 01:01:47,500
let him know what's going on,
I'm going to shoot him and she's

1059
01:01:47,500 --> 01:01:49,200
like, you're not going to shoot
your brother and he's like, yes,

1060
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:54,300
I would So, Carolyn's up
stepping outside and being like,

1061
01:01:54,300 --> 01:01:57,200
I don't know where Charlie is,
we're not together anymore.

1062
01:01:57,700 --> 01:02:00,600
And Ronnie would later on, tell
the police that Carol looked

1063
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:04,800
visibly ill at this point, this
one on for the next several days

1064
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,400
until Friday.
January 24th, Carol actually

1065
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,400
spent three days in isolation
with him as he ranted and raved

1066
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,400
about different things.
If he left the house, he would

1067
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,400
tie her up if she had to go to
the bathroom.

1068
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,300
He watched her and other people
came to the house.

1069
01:02:17,500 --> 01:02:20,200
She told them that Marion was
Ill, he wouldn't be back to work

1070
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:23,900
until Monday.
My mom's sick, she told her over

1071
01:02:23,900 --> 01:02:25,400
and over again.
If you let anyone in this house,

1072
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:29,300
I'm gonna shoot them on Saturday
about 3:30 p.m.

1073
01:02:29,300 --> 01:02:32,400
Carol, saw her sister walking up
the sidewalk with Bob and Bobby

1074
01:02:32,700 --> 01:02:34,500
because Carol didn't know that
they had planned to have a

1075
01:02:34,500 --> 01:02:37,700
family gathering there, right?
Carol, stepped outside and

1076
01:02:37,700 --> 01:02:39,600
yelled.
Everyone has the flu go away.

1077
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:42,600
If you know what's good for you
or mother will get hurt that.

1078
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,400
Last line really stop Barb and
her tracks and she ended up

1079
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,200
sending Bobby Bobby back to the
car where I was like, I want to

1080
01:02:48,207 --> 01:02:50,600
see my mother.
I want to see our mother Carol

1081
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,100
like And ugly scream like, you
know, the baby's gonna get sick,

1082
01:02:53,100 --> 01:02:55,200
it's going to die.
Barb was super confused.

1083
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:58,600
But she got back into the car,
Charlie made her go back out

1084
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,900
into the rain, to try and talk
to them again and like, calm

1085
01:03:01,900 --> 01:03:04,600
them down.
By the time, she got to the car.

1086
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:08,300
She was like crying, and she was
apologizing and then she ran

1087
01:03:08,300 --> 01:03:11,400
back into the house.
Bob was like, something's wrong

1088
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,900
here.
Yeah, as well one.

1089
01:03:14,900 --> 01:03:16,800
He was like, it was weird when
he drove up because all the

1090
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,900
curtains were closed and he
said, the Carol was acting real

1091
01:03:19,900 --> 01:03:21,800
weird.
Her hair was Shoveled, she

1092
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:23,800
hadn't come.
Did she looked exhausted,

1093
01:03:24,500 --> 01:03:25,900
Ronnie, stop by and the two
ends.

1094
01:03:25,900 --> 01:03:28,800
The police station to talk about
what they both experienced with

1095
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,500
Carol.
The police offered to send two

1096
01:03:31,500 --> 01:03:35,700
men out and about a half hour.
So at 9:25 Donald killer and

1097
01:03:35,700 --> 01:03:38,100
Frank's new cab arrived in the
block where the Bartlett's live.

1098
01:03:38,300 --> 01:03:40,500
They walk through the door and
Carol came out, she was wearing

1099
01:03:40,500 --> 01:03:43,800
like a housecoat and she's just
like, what's up?

1100
01:03:43,900 --> 01:03:46,600
And he's just like well you
turned away, your family members

1101
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:48,900
and Carol was like, listen,
everyone's violently ill with

1102
01:03:48,900 --> 01:03:50,900
the flu, that's why I'm turning
people away.

1103
01:03:51,100 --> 01:03:52,600
Way.
And then she was like, sitting

1104
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:56,100
there talking like she said,
listen, my brother-in-law

1105
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:58,400
doesn't really like our family,
so that's probably why he's

1106
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,000
calling the cops on us.
And, here's the thing though,

1107
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,200
Bob and Ronnie weren't sure the
police were gonna do what they

1108
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,900
were supposed to do.
So, they were out on the street

1109
01:04:05,900 --> 01:04:09,400
hiding watching, Bob was
definitely confused to here,

1110
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,700
Carol, tell the police that Bob
didn't like her family, right?

1111
01:04:12,700 --> 01:04:15,900
Rob is the best it just set off
more alarm Bells.

1112
01:04:16,700 --> 01:04:19,300
So then after the police left,
he went to the door and was

1113
01:04:19,300 --> 01:04:22,700
like, I need to pee in your mom.
Because she did our laundry and

1114
01:04:22,700 --> 01:04:25,700
Carl was like, please don't come
in, or my mom's life is going to

1115
01:04:25,700 --> 01:04:29,900
be in danger.
Charlie tied, her up called Bob

1116
01:04:29,900 --> 01:04:33,300
and Rodney from Tate's.
Conoco station and asked for a

1117
01:04:33,300 --> 01:04:36,900
ride back home and to pick him
up on Cornhusker Road.

1118
01:04:37,300 --> 01:04:43,200
The two men went to the gas
station, and Charlie wasn't

1119
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:46,000
there, trolley?
Then called Bob told the said,

1120
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:47,800
the whole family was sick and
that he had gone to get

1121
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:51,500
groceries for them.
That was also the night that

1122
01:04:51,500 --> 01:04:57,600
Charlie tried to rape Carol, but
he couldn't sustain an erection

1123
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:05,200
long enough to do it.
Sunday January 26, levitas

1124
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:07,500
Starkweather came to the house
looking for her brother.

1125
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:11,000
Carol told her that Charlie said
he was going to rob a bank with

1126
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,300
his gang and he had her family
held hostage, like she really

1127
01:05:14,300 --> 01:05:18,100
was, like, trying to whisper it
to her when there was literally

1128
01:05:18,100 --> 01:05:21,800
like Charlie had taken her
father's shotgun sawed it off

1129
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:25,100
and was standing like next to
the door with the shotgun

1130
01:05:25,100 --> 01:05:27,000
pointed at her and she's like,
he has a gun.

1131
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,600
He's gonna kill me and my family
and like, La Vida couldn't

1132
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,100
really understand what was
happening.

1133
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:33,300
She only heard like part of it
and it was really cold.

1134
01:05:33,300 --> 01:05:36,300
So she was like, whatever, I'm
leaving, no, don't whatever, go

1135
01:05:36,300 --> 01:05:39,300
do, whatever.
So Charlie was like, I'm so sick

1136
01:05:39,300 --> 01:05:40,500
of these people coming to your
house.

1137
01:05:40,500 --> 01:05:42,400
Why are there people here?
Every friggin day?

1138
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:46,500
Because people like my family
people like they like to see my

1139
01:05:46,500 --> 01:05:47,300
family.
Okay.

1140
01:05:47,300 --> 01:05:51,700
We like, what do you mean?
We're not asshole, who's well?

1141
01:05:51,700 --> 01:05:54,900
So he had her, write a note and
so she wrote on the Note, stay

1142
01:05:54,900 --> 01:05:57,000
away.
Everyone is sick with the flu

1143
01:05:57,100 --> 01:06:00,500
Miss Bartlett, and she
underlined Miss Bartlett, a

1144
01:06:00,508 --> 01:06:02,900
bunch of time.
And tape it to the door hoping

1145
01:06:02,900 --> 01:06:05,900
that people would understand
that Carol is a for gate.

1146
01:06:06,100 --> 01:06:09,200
She's not a Bartlett the only
miss Bartlett in that house was

1147
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:13,300
under three years old.
Mmm, So it's Monday, January

1148
01:06:13,300 --> 01:06:16,500
27th, the sign worked, when her
classmate Bonnie, showed up at

1149
01:06:16,508 --> 01:06:19,100
the door.
However, pansy Street was like I

1150
01:06:19,100 --> 01:06:22,100
haven't heard from my daughter
in a week, this is unheard of.

1151
01:06:23,100 --> 01:06:26,700
So pansy took a cab out and
she's like she told the driver

1152
01:06:26,700 --> 01:06:29,400
to wait, it's 8:30 in the
morning and she saw Carol

1153
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,100
standing in the living room.
The door was open and careless

1154
01:06:32,100 --> 01:06:36,500
just like go away.
Grandma go home Mama's life is

1155
01:06:36,500 --> 01:06:39,500
in danger if you don't stay away
and careless like sitting there

1156
01:06:39,500 --> 01:06:44,500
trying to like discreetly point.
Point to Charlie who is standing

1157
01:06:44,500 --> 01:06:47,000
in the next doorway, with a gun
pointed out.

1158
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:50,600
Her panty didn't understand.
But she was, like, listen, she

1159
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,700
called for valda.
And she like, when she didn't

1160
01:06:52,700 --> 01:06:56,200
hear valda or Betty Jean, she
was like, if you won't let me

1161
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:58,600
in, I'm coming back with the
police.

1162
01:07:00,100 --> 01:07:03,300
So as well to drives away
Charlie's like we gotta go, go

1163
01:07:03,300 --> 01:07:05,200
get your coat.
We're leaving they went to

1164
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:07,200
another location to pick up his
car.

1165
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,400
They stopped at a service
station, Carol.

1166
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,500
Carol was like watching The Men
Who were like, filling the gas

1167
01:07:13,500 --> 01:07:17,600
up and she wrote a note and put
it like in her pocket that said,

1168
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:21,700
help police don't ignore, but
she was too scared to give it to

1169
01:07:21,700 --> 01:07:22,900
him.
No.

1170
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:27,500
When pansy walked into the
police station, the police were

1171
01:07:27,500 --> 01:07:29,900
getting a phone.
Call about a man with a young

1172
01:07:29,900 --> 01:07:33,300
girl in tow who looked pretty
fucking scared and pansy heard,

1173
01:07:33,300 --> 01:07:35,200
the description of the guy and
was like, that's my

1174
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:39,200
granddaughter's boyfriend.
Charles Starkweather at the same

1175
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:43,600
time, levena had told her dad
guy about Charles holding about

1176
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,900
Charles and segment.
Like Carol said, that Charles is

1177
01:07:46,900 --> 01:07:49,000
there and has a gun and has her
family hostage?

1178
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:51,400
Yeah.
Why don't you like help her?

1179
01:07:51,500 --> 01:07:54,200
So guy had called the police and
was like, you, I need to go pick

1180
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,600
up my son so kind of them all
simultaneously, the police

1181
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:01,500
station, the Lincoln Police
Department receive like four

1182
01:08:01,500 --> 01:08:06,600
different calls about Charles
Starkweather and and Carol and

1183
01:08:06,900 --> 01:08:09,400
nice nice.
So two more cop cars, two more

1184
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,900
cops come out of 10.
A.m. all the doors are locked.

1185
01:08:11,900 --> 01:08:14,500
They unlock the door.
Pansy went all around inside the

1186
01:08:14,500 --> 01:08:15,900
house, she couldn't find her
family.

1187
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:18,000
They were like we don't
understand what's going on.

1188
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,800
There's no Carol now.
There's no, nobody bullies are

1189
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:27,300
like, so, Bob was like, There's
no way that they just up and go

1190
01:08:27,500 --> 01:08:30,600
and they leave their 14 year old
daughter and barbarous like

1191
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,700
listen, like maybe we should
stay out of other people's

1192
01:08:33,700 --> 01:08:38,600
business and Bob was like, no
I'm gonna go check one more

1193
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:39,300
time.
Yeah.

1194
01:08:39,399 --> 01:08:42,000
So you went out please.
Bob would have the house at 4

1195
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:45,500
p.m. and when all the doors were
locked, he walked around to the

1196
01:08:45,500 --> 01:08:50,399
chicken coop, which is where he
now found the like seven-day

1197
01:08:50,700 --> 01:08:53,399
decomposed remains of the
Bartlett Family.

1198
01:08:55,100 --> 01:08:58,000
And of course, he lets the
police go so that hits the Press

1199
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:02,500
immediately and taught Bartlett
Family, slain missing 14 year

1200
01:09:02,500 --> 01:09:07,300
old daughter, potentially with
Charlie Starkweather, 19 year

1201
01:09:07,300 --> 01:09:08,700
old boyfriend.
Yep.

1202
01:09:08,899 --> 01:09:11,100
So that night, as Carolyn
Charlie on the Run, they stopped

1203
01:09:11,100 --> 01:09:14,700
by a family friends, house and
Bennett Nebraska August Meyer.

1204
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:18,100
Who became the next victim?
Charlie told, August of the car

1205
01:09:18,100 --> 01:09:19,399
was stuck.
They need to get some in the

1206
01:09:19,399 --> 01:09:22,800
pull it out when August walked
back into the house, Charlie

1207
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:26,100
shot him in the back as well.
He dragged his body into a

1208
01:09:26,100 --> 01:09:28,100
building on the property.
Told Carol to pick up his

1209
01:09:28,100 --> 01:09:34,000
clothes, he also shot Myers Dog.
They ended up taking their car

1210
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:37,200
into the back roads and kept
going because Carol was scared.

1211
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,500
He wanted to stay at the house,
August Myers house and Carol was

1212
01:09:40,500 --> 01:09:44,500
like, but what if the ghost of
August Meyer is there because

1213
01:09:44,500 --> 01:09:47,800
you killed him on his property
and like trolley was like, what

1214
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:51,399
the fuck is wrong with you?
And they kept driving, just

1215
01:09:51,399 --> 01:09:54,600
coming from a man who thinks
he's a freaking Texas Rangers.

1216
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,600
Shut the fuck up.
Listen, she's like, listen,

1217
01:09:58,300 --> 01:10:01,500
Grandma, Hitchcock, talk to me
about ghosts and you just killed

1218
01:10:01,500 --> 01:10:04,400
a man on his friends die.
Cops and you want to stay in

1219
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:06,600
this house and you want to stay
in that man's house.

1220
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,600
He's definitely an angry ghost
now.

1221
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:10,100
He's definitely gonna haunt your
ass.

1222
01:10:10,100 --> 01:10:13,100
I mean, one percent they get
stuck again.

1223
01:10:13,100 --> 01:10:15,700
And as they are walking down the
road, a couple stops to talk to

1224
01:10:15,700 --> 01:10:17,400
them.
That couple was Robert Jensen

1225
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:21,200
and Carole King, Robert was 17,
and Carol was 16, once they were

1226
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:24,800
on the road, Charlie pulled the
gun to the back of Roberts, had

1227
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,700
directed them to a seller.
That was part of an old school

1228
01:10:27,700 --> 01:10:31,000
house down the cellar.
He took Rocky like he had Carol,

1229
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:36,100
hold the gun on Carol, King.
So, he Carol Anne, hold the gun

1230
01:10:36,100 --> 01:10:39,700
on Carole King.
And he took Robert down into the

1231
01:10:39,708 --> 01:10:41,700
basement.
Now, he told Carol that he was

1232
01:10:41,700 --> 01:10:43,200
just going to tie him up and
leave him there.

1233
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:49,600
Carol here is the shotgun.
Go on, she's freaking out, he

1234
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:53,300
goes, he gets crowned King, he
tries to rape, Carole King, but

1235
01:10:53,300 --> 01:10:57,100
can't do it as well.
Impotent, ultimately shoots.

1236
01:10:57,100 --> 01:11:00,900
Her leaves her like naked on top
of her boyfriend.

1237
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,900
Later on, he would say that
Carolyn helped him, but she was

1238
01:11:04,900 --> 01:11:06,400
like, I was in the car the
entire time.

1239
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:09,200
Leave me alone.
The to take the Jensens car

1240
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:13,300
though and they he drives Carol
falls asleep while Charlie

1241
01:11:13,300 --> 01:11:15,500
drives by Tuesday.
Everybody knows about the

1242
01:11:15,508 --> 01:11:19,200
Bartlett, Family murders.
When Carol wakes up there,

1243
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:21,800
sitting in front of a beautiful
big White House, near Lincoln

1244
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:24,900
Nebraska, which is wild because
they have kind of made a weird

1245
01:11:24,900 --> 01:11:27,700
Circle at this point.
Now, this was the home of seal

1246
01:11:27,700 --> 01:11:31,400
our Ward and his wife Clara,
when Charlie walked up to the

1247
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:35,700
house, he stabbed their made
Lillian fenkell to death killed

1248
01:11:35,700 --> 01:11:38,400
the dog and then waited for the
wards to get home.

1249
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:45,900
In fact, he made like he told
Carol Wait, Ima take a nap.

1250
01:11:46,100 --> 01:11:47,900
You tell me when someone drives
up.

1251
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:54,200
Okay, well, why all the the dog
murders white?

1252
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:55,900
Why you cannot go?
Because apparently does be

1253
01:11:55,900 --> 01:11:57,600
barking when you kill the
owners.

1254
01:11:58,300 --> 01:12:01,200
Didn't know shit.
You just let him run away.

1255
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:04,100
No them dogs are ran away.
They were probably trying to

1256
01:12:04,108 --> 01:12:06,000
bite back.
How dare you?

1257
01:12:06,700 --> 01:12:11,600
Fuck you dog?
Well, Carol did comply.

1258
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:17,700
And Clara got home first and she
was also stabbed to death.

1259
01:12:18,100 --> 01:12:21,900
And then when lower Ward came
home, he was shot.

1260
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:24,900
Charlie would go on to say that.
It was Carroll who stabbed both

1261
01:12:24,900 --> 01:12:28,700
the women, and she helped him
rob their home of jewelry.

1262
01:12:28,700 --> 01:12:32,400
And then they stole de Lauer
car, the word car and went back

1263
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:36,300
on the road, truly want to be
there talking about well, so the

1264
01:12:36,300 --> 01:12:39,300
warden fenkell murder is now
huge, because he's a rich

1265
01:12:39,300 --> 01:12:42,300
people, police go door to door
searching, the governor calls in

1266
01:12:42,300 --> 01:12:46,000
the A guard for them to help
doing block by block search and

1267
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:49,700
the same time, the community and
police find August Meyer and

1268
01:12:49,900 --> 01:12:53,400
they think and Charlie's Truck.
So they initially think that

1269
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:55,800
they're in there but when they
breach the house they don't find

1270
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:59,600
anybody a farmer from the area
hears about all this craziness

1271
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,200
going on and it's like um you
guys went to go out to the old

1272
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:05,900
school house, I was just walking
around this morning and I happen

1273
01:13:05,900 --> 01:13:08,800
to go into the cellar and here
the schoolhouse and there's two

1274
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:12,700
kids in there dead.
And he said that was purely him

1275
01:13:12,700 --> 01:13:15,400
just walking by randomly because
it's an old building, and he was

1276
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:18,100
just, you know, spelunking,
right?

1277
01:13:18,500 --> 01:13:21,200
Yeah.
But January 29th, the papers are

1278
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:23,500
reporting on all of these
stories and they are all

1279
01:13:23,500 --> 01:13:27,400
connected to Charlie, and Carol.
Charlie didn't know that they

1280
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:29,700
were all over the papers.
He decided we're going to

1281
01:13:29,700 --> 01:13:31,700
Washington because I got family
there.

1282
01:13:32,700 --> 01:13:37,000
Well, driving through Wyoming.
Now, one thing he did here was

1283
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:40,400
that the ward the words have
been found and he knew he had to

1284
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:43,400
get rid of the ward car because
that one, the police knew about.

1285
01:13:43,500 --> 01:13:48,000
So he dropped that the go as he,
they stopped to see this white

1286
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:51,900
Buick on the side of the road.
He talks to the guy in the car

1287
01:13:51,900 --> 01:13:55,000
and then shoots the guy through
the window that man was marrow

1288
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:57,600
Collinson and he had just been
sleeping in his car.

1289
01:13:59,300 --> 01:14:01,000
Later.
Charlie, also claims that Carol

1290
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:05,000
did this?
Now the salesman's car had a

1291
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:10,700
parking brake which apparently
was new in cars and Charlie

1292
01:14:10,700 --> 01:14:16,800
didn't know and unlike now where
the parking brake is more like

1293
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:22,900
the emergency make the car smell
funny button back then listen I

1294
01:14:22,900 --> 01:14:26,300
have I have witnessed this from
other people where if they try

1295
01:14:26,300 --> 01:14:29,400
and walk with they try and drive
with the parking brake, it

1296
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:32,400
smells like burning but you can
still drive the car.

1297
01:14:32,700 --> 01:14:35,200
Yeah.
Well you can still drive the car

1298
01:14:35,300 --> 01:14:37,900
like now but apparently back
then if you had the parking

1299
01:14:37,900 --> 01:14:41,600
brake on that thing wasn't going
and in fact the car stalled as

1300
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:43,600
he was trying to drive away.
Huh.

1301
01:14:43,700 --> 01:14:49,700
Nice.
So at this moment, Another man

1302
01:14:49,700 --> 01:14:53,400
pulls up on the road, his name
is Joe sprinkle and Joe's.

1303
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:55,300
Like, do you need any help?
Like, what's wrong with your

1304
01:14:55,300 --> 01:14:57,900
car?
And Charlie like turns and

1305
01:14:57,900 --> 01:15:01,700
threatens the man with a rifle?
And it was at that moment that

1306
01:15:01,700 --> 01:15:05,900
sheriff's, deputy William Romer
arrived on the scene, just, he

1307
01:15:05,900 --> 01:15:09,100
just was driving down the road
and it's like there's a man

1308
01:15:09,100 --> 01:15:10,900
threatening.
Another man with a gun.

1309
01:15:13,100 --> 01:15:16,900
Carol immediately seeing a cop
runs the police officer and she

1310
01:15:16,900 --> 01:15:21,500
said he's gonna kill me and
Charlie Hops and Joe sprinkles

1311
01:15:21,500 --> 01:15:26,600
car and just drives off.
This causes a high-speed car

1312
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:30,300
chase with three other officers
with William.

1313
01:15:30,300 --> 01:15:32,800
Romer Robert Ainsley and Earl
Heflin.

1314
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:37,100
Joe sprinkle just kind of waited
on the side of the road with the

1315
01:15:37,100 --> 01:15:40,000
sobbing Carol.
This this car case went well

1316
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:44,500
over 100 miles per hour until
Charlie and so Earl Heflin, got

1317
01:15:44,500 --> 01:15:49,200
a good shot in and it broke the
windshield and some of the glass

1318
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:52,700
cut Charlie.
He ended up stopping the car and

1319
01:15:52,700 --> 01:15:54,700
surrendering because he thought
he was going to die.

1320
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:57,600
In fact, Earl Heflin was quoted
saying, he thought he was

1321
01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:59,500
bleeding to death.
That's why he stopped.

1322
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:01,400
That's the kind of yellow, son
of a bitch.

1323
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:06,100
He is, he was he was a fucking
coward, yellow-bellied.

1324
01:16:09,500 --> 01:16:12,300
Now, some stuff happens next.
That I personally think is

1325
01:16:12,300 --> 01:16:17,200
jacked up, okay, so the modern
day and age, Carol could not be

1326
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:22,600
questioned by police without a
lawyer or her family present,

1327
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:26,700
right?
First thing they do in Wyoming

1328
01:16:26,700 --> 01:16:30,200
as while she is being like
sedated because she's having a

1329
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:34,500
freaking attack.
They have her sign of Cathay

1330
01:16:34,500 --> 01:16:38,600
have her sign a document.
Now, the document that they have

1331
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:42,300
her sign is extraditing her from
Wyoming to Nebraska.

1332
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:46,200
The problem is, you can't have
someone extradited if they

1333
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:50,300
haven't been formally charged.
No, formal, charge happened in

1334
01:16:50,300 --> 01:16:53,700
Wyoming.
So, technically, these papers

1335
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:56,700
were illegal from the job,
right?

1336
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:59,600
Invalid of that that first night
they stopped and Goering

1337
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,100
Nebraska.
And one of the share, they like

1338
01:17:02,100 --> 01:17:03,900
took her to one of the sheriff's
houses because they were like,

1339
01:17:03,900 --> 01:17:05,400
we're not going to leave her in
a prison.

1340
01:17:06,300 --> 01:17:10,100
And one of the sheriff's wives
watched her, she was mainly

1341
01:17:10,100 --> 01:17:11,600
sedated through most of the
time.

1342
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:15,100
And in fact, one of the women
said, I'm sorry about your

1343
01:17:15,100 --> 01:17:18,300
family and that was the first
time that Carol even heard that

1344
01:17:18,300 --> 01:17:21,800
she was an orphan.
Carol was inconsolable and she

1345
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:24,200
actually screamed at the police.
Like, how are they dead?

1346
01:17:24,300 --> 01:17:25,000
I did.
Everything.

1347
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,900
Starkweather told me to do,
that's right.

1348
01:17:27,900 --> 01:17:30,900
Because he is, she said that
they were tied up somewhere.

1349
01:17:31,300 --> 01:17:33,100
She was like, how they can't be
dad.

1350
01:17:33,100 --> 01:17:34,600
I did everything.
He told me to do.

1351
01:17:34,900 --> 01:17:37,000
They sedated her again.
Again, she was visited by

1352
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:38,900
multiple doctors.
Eventually they got her to

1353
01:17:38,900 --> 01:17:41,000
Lincoln Nebraska.
The finally day, they handed her

1354
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:45,000
over to a woman named mrs.
Morel carnap and Merle explained

1355
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:47,400
to her, that her family was dead
and they were dead before she'd

1356
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:53,300
even arrived home from school.
This happened at a mental health

1357
01:17:53,300 --> 01:17:57,600
facility, which Carol was not
fully aware of at the time.

1358
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:01,300
She didn't realize she was.
She didn't know where she was,

1359
01:18:01,300 --> 01:18:05,100
or what was going on.
Merle was one of the doctors

1360
01:18:05,100 --> 01:18:07,100
task.
With kind of keeping track of

1361
01:18:07,100 --> 01:18:11,900
her Marilyn has said that
someday, she, it was like, she

1362
01:18:11,900 --> 01:18:15,700
understood what happened?
And other days, she would be,

1363
01:18:15,700 --> 01:18:18,100
like, sitting making dolls for
Betty.

1364
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:20,200
Like, when I go back to my
family, I'm going to give this

1365
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:27,900
to Betty, like she was just in
shock and like it's unethical

1366
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:31,600
that at this moment, they decide
they're going to interrogate

1367
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:32,900
her.
Hmm.

1368
01:18:33,300 --> 01:18:39,400
Now surely right now Charlie is
fully aware of his.

1369
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:41,600
He's it aware of all of his
faculties.

1370
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:45,600
He asks to be exercised in
Nebraska because the current

1371
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:47,700
governor wasn't super fond of
the death penalty.

1372
01:18:47,700 --> 01:18:52,000
At first Charlie, said Carol
hadn't killed anyone but as they

1373
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,000
were interrogating him, he
changed his story back in the

1374
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:59,300
hospital.
They came to Carroll with a new

1375
01:18:59,300 --> 01:19:02,100
story from Charlie and Carol was
super confused.

1376
01:19:02,100 --> 01:19:04,000
She was like, I never killed
Anyone.

1377
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:07,900
Charlie also told the cops that
he and Carolyn had sex and sex

1378
01:19:07,900 --> 01:19:12,600
every day they had anal sex and
and when the doctor told her

1379
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:16,000
that, she told him that he was
disgusting, and she didn't want

1380
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,100
to see his face anymore, and she
was like getting my face with

1381
01:19:18,100 --> 01:19:21,800
that disgusting stuff.
Because let's all remember she

1382
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:23,600
still 14 rule girl?
Yeah.

1383
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:29,600
February 2nd Sunday.
They told Carol that Charlie

1384
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:31,600
wanted to see her.
And Carol told them I'm scared

1385
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:34,600
to death of him and I don't want
to ever see him again, and they

1386
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:38,900
were like, well, he might not
believe that if you tell us

1387
01:19:38,900 --> 01:19:42,200
that, so she wrote him a note
that said, Charlie, I don't want

1388
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:44,000
to see you.
I'm afraid of what I might do

1389
01:19:44,900 --> 01:19:50,000
that same day Barb, William Barb
and then William and Dot came to

1390
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:55,100
visit.
The doctors rather unethically

1391
01:19:55,100 --> 01:19:57,500
had Carol speak to a court
reporter in the hospital.

1392
01:19:57,900 --> 01:20:01,000
She gave them a statement.
She was completely being led on

1393
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:04,300
by the doctors.
They kept asking her like you

1394
01:20:04,300 --> 01:20:07,100
knew this was wrong like holding
the gun for him.

1395
01:20:07,100 --> 01:20:09,200
Did you know the gun had bullets
in it?

1396
01:20:09,300 --> 01:20:12,000
Like I looked at some of these
transcripts and it was it was

1397
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:16,500
really unethical on many levels.
Are you like you know, that it's

1398
01:20:16,500 --> 01:20:20,600
wrong to shoot people and she's
like yeah it's wrong and shoot

1399
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:23,300
people but I And shoot anybody.
I didn't do anything.

1400
01:20:24,700 --> 01:20:27,100
They definitely the problem is
like this is why they tell you

1401
01:20:27,108 --> 01:20:30,500
not to talk to police without an
attorney present because they

1402
01:20:30,500 --> 01:20:33,600
had her admitting to things that
she didn't understand.

1403
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:37,200
Like she didn't know that the
law in Nebraska was it didn't

1404
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:40,400
matter if you pulled the trigger
or not if you helped during the

1405
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:44,300
commission of a crime.
You are just as guilty as the

1406
01:20:44,300 --> 01:20:49,300
person who pulled the trigger.
So her saying that she helped by

1407
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:53,400
holding the gun on Carole King.
They were going to hold the

1408
01:20:53,407 --> 01:20:56,800
death of Carole King over her
and Robert Jensen.

1409
01:20:57,900 --> 01:20:58,500
Okay.
Okay.

1410
01:20:59,300 --> 01:21:04,400
In fact, it wasn't until the day
before her, her arraignment that

1411
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:06,900
they were explaining to her.
This is a very serious charge

1412
01:21:06,900 --> 01:21:08,700
and she was like, what are you
talking about?

1413
01:21:08,900 --> 01:21:10,800
And he's just like, it's a
really serious charge.

1414
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:15,300
It's a capital murder offense
and she's like, What murder?

1415
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:17,700
Yeah I've been hearing about
this without writing about.

1416
01:21:17,700 --> 01:21:20,200
Now this later comes out during
her trial which is why I'm

1417
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:23,700
absolutely just.
What's the word flummoxed?

1418
01:21:23,700 --> 01:21:26,500
I don't know, just completely
shocked, ever guessed it

1419
01:21:26,500 --> 01:21:30,600
flabbergasted that like they
definitely did not tell her at

1420
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:32,200
any point.
During this bit that she was

1421
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:37,400
going to be charged with a crime
and you're supposed to let The

1422
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:39,800
person know that they've being
charged with a crime, but

1423
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:41,400
regardless would get to that,
when it's time to go to her

1424
01:21:41,407 --> 01:21:44,300
court case, they both get
arraigned on February, 3rd,

1425
01:21:44,300 --> 01:21:48,400
1958, they were both charged
with premeditated murder during

1426
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:51,100
the commission of a robbery
against Robert Jensen, Junior

1427
01:21:51,100 --> 01:21:54,500
and both plead not guilty.
Interestingly enough they never

1428
01:21:54,500 --> 01:21:59,500
formally charged Carol with the
death of Carole King even though

1429
01:21:59,500 --> 01:22:02,800
they kept bringing her up during
careless child.

1430
01:22:02,900 --> 01:22:05,800
So I'm trial.
Yeah, I know she meant but they,

1431
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:06,500
they brought it.
Up.

1432
01:22:06,500 --> 01:22:09,000
So to make the jewelry.
Like think about all this poor

1433
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:11,500
16 year old girls her life,
snuffed out.

1434
01:22:11,500 --> 01:22:15,400
We'll get there either way.
March 10th, 1958 judge, Harry,

1435
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:19,900
Spencer appoints, T Clement
goggan, and William tea, matcha

1436
01:22:19,900 --> 01:22:22,600
lot to represent Charlie.
Who would now told the police

1437
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:24,700
nine different stories about
what happened during the

1438
01:22:24,700 --> 01:22:27,600
shooting spree version one?
He said they did it together.

1439
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:30,100
Carol, and even written a little
note for the police that said

1440
01:22:30,300 --> 01:22:33,400
for police only, which obviously
was not written by her, it was

1441
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:36,200
written by Charlie version to,
he said, Carol was hot.

1442
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:39,100
Is the whole time version 3.
He said he killed Carol's family

1443
01:22:39,100 --> 01:22:40,900
before she came home from school
version.

1444
01:22:40,900 --> 01:22:43,300
For he said Carol helped him a
lot but she didn't do any of the

1445
01:22:43,300 --> 01:22:47,100
killing also true version 5.
He said he killed nine people,

1446
01:22:47,100 --> 01:22:50,600
but Carol has killed two of the
people version 6.

1447
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,300
He said he killed the Bartlett's
while Carol was in school, but

1448
01:22:53,300 --> 01:22:55,100
he detailed the murders
completely wrong.

1449
01:22:55,100 --> 01:22:58,400
I didn't match any the forensics
version 7, he talked about going

1450
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:01,100
hunting with Marion and that
he'd gone back after Carol, got

1451
01:23:01,100 --> 01:23:03,800
out of school and that Carol was
present, when her whole family

1452
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:07,000
was murdered version.
Number eight, he said, That they

1453
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:10,900
shot Merle Collinson to gather
on the side of the road Version

1454
01:23:10,900 --> 01:23:13,900
9.
He said I'll be damned if I be

1455
01:23:13,900 --> 01:23:16,500
sentence for what I didn't do
Carol is the most trigger happy

1456
01:23:16,500 --> 01:23:21,400
person I've ever seen.
Some of these confessions were

1457
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:24,100
things that he wrote like on the
walls of his cell.

1458
01:23:25,300 --> 01:23:28,700
But regardless, the Starkweather
trial begins, May 5th, 1958 and

1459
01:23:28,700 --> 01:23:32,200
ends on May 22nd 1958 was the
biggest trial in Nebraska at the

1460
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:35,300
time cameras were barred from
the courtroom, but right writers

1461
01:23:35,300 --> 01:23:37,700
were allowed to be there.
His lawyers had to check his

1462
01:23:37,700 --> 01:23:40,400
change, his plea from not guilty
to Not Guilty by reason of

1463
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:43,600
insanity, which upset his
family, he got on the stand and

1464
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:46,600
he told them that he killed them
all in self-defense that Carol

1465
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:50,600
loved it and the media ran with
it, many psychiatrists were

1466
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:53,300
called to the stand in support
and opposition.

1467
01:23:54,100 --> 01:23:58,600
One of his his Supporters was
like, he's a wild animal unable

1468
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:00,600
to premeditate premeditate
crimes.

1469
01:24:00,900 --> 01:24:03,600
Another one was like, I honestly
believe that he does believe

1470
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:06,500
this was in self-defense because
he has like a victim complex.

1471
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:10,800
The prosecution's doctors like,
listen, he's legally sane and he

1472
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:14,100
does have a personality
disorder, but it's not bad

1473
01:24:14,100 --> 01:24:17,300
enough that he would ever be
committed to a hospital for any

1474
01:24:17,300 --> 01:24:21,300
length of time that one?
No, wait.

1475
01:24:21,700 --> 01:24:23,300
I agree with the last two,
honestly.

1476
01:24:23,300 --> 01:24:25,200
I think that he was delusional.
He did.

1477
01:24:25,300 --> 01:24:28,500
Believe that the everyone in the
world was out to get him except

1478
01:24:28,500 --> 01:24:32,700
for Carol and I don't think, I
mean he was able to exist in

1479
01:24:32,700 --> 01:24:34,500
society, he was able to have a
job.

1480
01:24:34,500 --> 01:24:37,800
He did have minor delusions but
they weren't enough to really

1481
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:40,000
get in the way of everything.
Exactly.

1482
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,100
Now he was found guilty and
sentenced to death.

1483
01:24:43,500 --> 01:24:46,200
It's reported in the united
Press International Paper

1484
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:50,100
saying, I'll be glad to go to
the chair if Carol will sit on

1485
01:24:50,100 --> 01:24:54,200
my lap.
Fuck off a piece of shit.

1486
01:24:54,200 --> 01:25:02,100
I'm sorry, I'm down.
Charles Starkweather was

1487
01:25:02,100 --> 01:25:06,700
executed 13 months later, June
25th 1959 and between the date

1488
01:25:06,700 --> 01:25:09,200
of his sentencing and the day he
died.

1489
01:25:09,300 --> 01:25:13,200
He did everything in his power
to try and have Carol have the

1490
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:16,100
same fate as him.
Come on man.

1491
01:25:16,100 --> 01:25:20,200
Just It's really sad because
Carol tried everything to get

1492
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:21,900
the truth out, but no one
believed her.

1493
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:24,900
She even wrote a telegram to
President Eisenhower and was

1494
01:25:24,900 --> 01:25:27,200
just like, listen, I didn't do
any of this stuff.

1495
01:25:27,300 --> 01:25:29,700
I was there when it happened.
I do know that was wrong that I

1496
01:25:29,700 --> 01:25:31,800
was there.
Is there any way that you can

1497
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:35,000
like get this change and the
White House responded that it

1498
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:37,500
was a state matter and that the
president could not intervene.

1499
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:40,100
She like she was held against
her will.

1500
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:45,100
Yeah.
So, at, 15 years old, and

1501
01:25:45,100 --> 01:25:48,500
October of nineteen fifty-eight,
her trial was held the court of

1502
01:25:48,500 --> 01:25:52,000
public opinion.
However, had long judged her

1503
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:57,200
from the time that Charles
talked about her being hyper

1504
01:25:57,200 --> 01:26:00,700
sexual, like, despite being
impotent.

1505
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:04,100
Course, he told everyone who
would listen, he had sex every

1506
01:26:04,100 --> 01:26:05,600
day with her at her parents
house.

1507
01:26:05,900 --> 01:26:08,300
There was no way she was going
to get a fair trial or jury that

1508
01:26:08,300 --> 01:26:11,100
believed her, when the police
didn't even believe her and her

1509
01:26:11,100 --> 01:26:14,300
lawyer, John With Arthur who
also wrote a book that I have

1510
01:26:14,300 --> 01:26:17,200
used as one of the references
here in his book.

1511
01:26:17,300 --> 01:26:20,100
He said, he, he, he shows the
letter, and here's what the

1512
01:26:20,100 --> 01:26:23,500
letter said, are you so bad off
that you must steer, your soul

1513
01:26:23,500 --> 01:26:25,900
and lie and cheat for a murderer
and a whore?

1514
01:26:26,300 --> 01:26:27,600
Suppose?
It was your son or daughter?

1515
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:30,100
Who had been so brutally
butchered without cause, how

1516
01:26:30,100 --> 01:26:32,500
would you like for some faddle
lawyer to take the case of the

1517
01:26:32,500 --> 01:26:34,800
criminal Andres heaven?
And how to clear that brute?

1518
01:26:35,100 --> 01:26:38,300
Why were you the only attorney
in the city willing to defend

1519
01:26:38,300 --> 01:26:41,700
such a horrible girl for shame?
How can you look yourself in the

1520
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:44,700
Be careful or the judge was the
Lord will follow you and your

1521
01:26:44,700 --> 01:26:46,700
loved ones for your dastardly
axons.

1522
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:49,700
Let Justice take its course and
you keep your big mouth.

1523
01:26:49,700 --> 01:26:53,200
Shut how can an attorney, Like
You Escape judgment better watch

1524
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:56,700
out signed disgusted, those are
the kind of letters that he

1525
01:26:56,700 --> 01:26:59,800
received.
Newspapers, ran constant

1526
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:03,800
headlines with the words of
Charlie Starkweather, just one

1527
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:07,000
week before the trial.
One of the jurors was making

1528
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:11,500
bets that she was gonna get the
death penalty, which is the kind

1529
01:27:11,500 --> 01:27:15,700
of thing that should have a man
removed from the jury pool.

1530
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:18,000
Get your ass out of here.
Yep.

1531
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,900
Yeah, they they found about that
after the trial and carols

1532
01:27:20,900 --> 01:27:23,300
trial, actually her lawyer
trying to get a mistrial, but

1533
01:27:23,300 --> 01:27:26,000
didn't matter.
It was denied.

1534
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:29,700
Why?
Because everybody had it in for

1535
01:27:29,700 --> 01:27:31,600
this little girl.
So, was mr.

1536
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:33,100
Trout.
That's, that's not okay.

1537
01:27:33,100 --> 01:27:35,200
UK should have been a mistrial,
she should have got a new trial

1538
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:38,500
because of that, but a lot
happened here, that was not on

1539
01:27:38,500 --> 01:27:40,400
board, and I'm about to tell you
about some of it.

1540
01:27:40,900 --> 01:27:43,800
So, trial begins, October, 27,
1958 her lawyer.

1541
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:46,500
Tried his absolute best.
He explained that like this

1542
01:27:46,500 --> 01:27:48,500
little girl.
She's an eighth-grade walked

1543
01:27:48,500 --> 01:27:50,100
into her house and there was a
gun in her face.

1544
01:27:50,100 --> 01:27:52,300
And from that moment on, she
just feared for her life for the

1545
01:27:52,300 --> 01:27:55,400
next eight days.
The prosecution brings up

1546
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:59,000
Jensen, senior to tug at the
Heartstrings, The jury they

1547
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:02,400
bring up the brothers of Carole
King heartstrings, the

1548
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:06,100
prosecution brings in the
pathologist and the cops who go

1549
01:28:06,100 --> 01:28:10,400
into Grim detail about the, the
bodies in the cellar.

1550
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:14,400
The cops Who deliver her to
prison did defend her, and told

1551
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:16,700
the court that she was delirious
it look like she hadn't, eaten

1552
01:28:16,700 --> 01:28:20,700
or drank anything and days.
One of them was like she said,

1553
01:28:20,700 --> 01:28:24,300
she saw nine murders one of
those cops straight-up lied on

1554
01:28:24,300 --> 01:28:27,900
stand and that Carol and said
that, Carol told him she'd seen

1555
01:28:27,900 --> 01:28:29,700
him.
Kill her parents that did not

1556
01:28:29,700 --> 01:28:32,500
happen.
The sheriff's wife who looked

1557
01:28:32,500 --> 01:28:35,600
after her that first night was
like, honestly she was

1558
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:38,200
terrified.
She barely spoke only mumbled

1559
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:43,900
and just slept for like 12 hours
if I'm when she was.

1560
01:28:43,900 --> 01:28:46,400
Yeah she wasn't talking about
the case at that point but they

1561
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:49,800
had they all were coming up with
like magical things that Carol

1562
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:54,500
Ann said right afterward like
most of the time within those

1563
01:28:54,500 --> 01:28:56,600
first few days.
She was heavily sedated by

1564
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:59,200
doctors she should have Like,
you can't.

1565
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:04,400
You can't consent to like
activities when you're under the

1566
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:07,100
influence.
So I feel like it's highly

1567
01:29:07,100 --> 01:29:11,800
unethical for you to be under
the influence and consenting to

1568
01:29:11,808 --> 01:29:14,100
have a conversation with a
police officer, right?

1569
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:18,300
Right. - the prosecution was
allowed to bring up a multitude

1570
01:29:18,300 --> 01:29:20,000
of inane, details that had
absolutely nothing to do.

1571
01:29:20,008 --> 01:29:23,200
With the case, the judge allowed
it over and over again.

1572
01:29:24,500 --> 01:29:28,100
The One Cop Heflin, did tell the
truth, he said that he had found

1573
01:29:28,100 --> 01:29:31,300
a letter in Carol's pocket that
said, help police, don't ignore.

1574
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:34,600
Now, that was the real letter,
not the fake one that had been

1575
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:38,300
allowed at Stark weathers trial.
Did they like matched of the,

1576
01:29:38,300 --> 01:29:43,400
you know, the handwriting?
No, in fact, they had like days

1577
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:47,900
worth of arguments over the, the
new letter and, and like, when

1578
01:29:47,900 --> 01:29:50,800
they brought Carol on the stand,
they were like, well, which coat

1579
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:53,100
were you wearing?
When you had that letter in your

1580
01:29:53,100 --> 01:29:55,600
pocket?
And like she didn't remember

1581
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:59,100
that when she had gotten to
Gering Nebraska they had given

1582
01:29:59,100 --> 01:30:01,000
her a new jacket.
Hmm.

1583
01:30:01,100 --> 01:30:05,800
Because the first jacket was
covered in blood and stuff so

1584
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:09,100
she had switched out of it and
that is where Heflin had found

1585
01:30:09,100 --> 01:30:11,600
that original note but she
didn't remember the blue jacket

1586
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:17,200
because she was drugged The
doctors from the institution.

1587
01:30:17,300 --> 01:30:19,900
We're also cross-examine Carol
took the stand.

1588
01:30:19,900 --> 01:30:22,500
They try to trip her up where
the big things that should have

1589
01:30:22,500 --> 01:30:25,300
meant something to the jury.
Is that, like I said, Carol was

1590
01:30:25,300 --> 01:30:27,400
never told that she was being
extradited from murders.

1591
01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:30,400
She signed something.
We while she was still drunk.

1592
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:33,000
Pretty much off of the drugs.
They put her on.

1593
01:30:33,700 --> 01:30:36,600
She didn't know she was being a
rain until the day before and

1594
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:38,900
they were questioning her while
she was under sedatives.

1595
01:30:39,500 --> 01:30:42,100
Also that she had never been
offered a lawyer because she had

1596
01:30:42,100 --> 01:30:44,100
never been told she was under
arrest.

1597
01:30:45,500 --> 01:30:48,600
It's pure breaking the
Constitution at this point, but

1598
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:51,100
they did not care.
People were out for blood.

1599
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:56,200
Pete, the prosecution then which
should have never happened is

1600
01:30:56,200 --> 01:31:02,800
they brought in Charlie to her
trial and he just told blatant

1601
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:06,500
lies on the stand lies that
eventually the prosecution was

1602
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:10,900
able to bring when they were
trying to get an appeal.

1603
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:14,600
They had another prisoner who
overheard him along with two

1604
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:19,200
other people and his cell, his
attorneys leading him on what he

1605
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:25,300
should say at Carol's trial, But
that that appeal was also denied

1606
01:31:25,300 --> 01:31:28,200
later on, come on.
Well, the things that I was

1607
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:31,000
overwhelmingly struck buys, I'm
not sure that Carol would have

1608
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:33,600
even been charged as an adult in
today's world.

1609
01:31:35,300 --> 01:31:37,300
She was 14.
She was in eighth grade.

1610
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:41,200
And, yes, she, she always fully
admitted.

1611
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:44,300
I did what he told me to when he
asked me to hold the gun on

1612
01:31:44,300 --> 01:31:47,200
somebody.
I held the gun on him but she

1613
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:53,400
never not once.
And the last 50 years has ever

1614
01:31:53,700 --> 01:31:56,600
strayed from her story.
Even when they were trying to

1615
01:31:56,608 --> 01:32:00,700
trip her up at the hospital, she
was like, no, I didn't kill

1616
01:32:00,700 --> 01:32:07,200
anybody.
But regardless, she was found

1617
01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:11,200
guilty, given life in prison.
Now, Carol sentence would

1618
01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:14,500
eventually be commuted in 1976
when the United States, Supreme

1619
01:32:14,500 --> 01:32:18,200
Court ruled that life sentences
for minors are unconstitutional.

1620
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:21,500
She was a model prisoner the
entire time she was there.

1621
01:32:21,500 --> 01:32:25,100
And once it was commuted, she
was released in 1976 after 17

1622
01:32:25,100 --> 01:32:27,800
years in prison, at the age of
33 years old.

1623
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:30,800
She worked as a janitor and
orderly and sometimes a

1624
01:32:30,808 --> 01:32:35,800
babysitter until she retired.
Carol avoided, almost all media

1625
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:39,800
until 1983 when she went on TV,
the TV show called lie, detector

1626
01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:42,200
with a very famous attorney
named D.

1627
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:45,000
Lee Bailey, her results were
inconclusive.

1628
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:47,700
When she said she'd been forced
to go with Charlie.

1629
01:32:47,700 --> 01:32:51,100
But Bailey ultimately said that
the crimes were such a major

1630
01:32:51,100 --> 01:32:54,400
part of her life that they would
have known.

1631
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:58,600
If she had been outright lying
for the first time publicly

1632
01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:02,100
Carol received some kind of
empathy, she cried on his

1633
01:33:02,100 --> 01:33:03,400
shoulder when he read her
response.

1634
01:33:03,500 --> 01:33:07,000
Old saying she said, you can't
know what, it's like to be a

1635
01:33:07,008 --> 01:33:09,200
person in history and everybody
hates you.

1636
01:33:11,900 --> 01:33:15,000
Kara, wanna get married to
Frederic Claire in 2007.

1637
01:33:15,100 --> 01:33:18,800
They enjoyed six years together.
Well, seven years together until

1638
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:21,700
he passed in 2014.
When they got in a car, crash

1639
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:25,200
Frederick died.
And Carol was seriously injured.

1640
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:28,300
She actually requested an
official pardon from Nebraska

1641
01:33:28,300 --> 01:33:33,200
originally in 1976, and then
again in 2020, but it was denied

1642
01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:38,900
both teams both times in 2020.
Some of Charles weathers

1643
01:33:39,300 --> 01:33:43,100
families, victims supported her
request for the pardon.

1644
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:47,300
She means she maintained her
innocence for her entire life.

1645
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:49,600
And the pardon was denied
because they said the role of a

1646
01:33:49,608 --> 01:33:53,700
part is to restore a felons
rights, not to absolve you of a

1647
01:33:53,700 --> 01:33:57,900
crime and the court assumed
correctly, that Carol was

1648
01:33:57,900 --> 01:34:02,000
seeking Absolution and a chance
to be forgiven and well you

1649
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:03,300
can't really get that from the
justice.

1650
01:34:03,700 --> 01:34:09,400
Um, Carol is currently 79 years
old, she enjoys watching TV

1651
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:12,600
playing slot machines.
Some people in Lincoln, Nebraska

1652
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:15,900
still thinking she did it.
Carol stepsons who read a lot of

1653
01:34:15,907 --> 01:34:18,600
the same trap transcripts in
court documents that I did.

1654
01:34:18,900 --> 01:34:20,700
Don't believe she was a willing
participant.

1655
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:24,300
They stand behind their mom to
this day, the debate about her

1656
01:34:24,300 --> 01:34:28,100
innocence still rages on, and
Carol is just trying to live.

1657
01:34:28,500 --> 01:34:30,300
I think they believe she's still
in Michigan.

1658
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:35,900
She has no intention to go back
to Shh and occasionally.

1659
01:34:36,500 --> 01:34:40,800
Like she was, she babysat for a
family and one of the women

1660
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:44,500
worked with children and she was
like can you tell your story to

1661
01:34:44,500 --> 01:34:49,000
these 9th graders?
And indeed, she did tell her

1662
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:52,600
cautionary tale, who's scared
him straight to the youngsters

1663
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:55,400
about wanting to be grown a
little bit too soon and how it

1664
01:34:55,400 --> 01:34:58,000
completely altered the
trajectory of her life.

1665
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:04,100
One of the few people that Carol
And has well.

1666
01:35:04,100 --> 01:35:09,000
Now Carol Claire has spoken to
is Linda battisti.

1667
01:35:10,100 --> 01:35:11,900
Who wrote the book?
The Twelfth victim, the

1668
01:35:11,900 --> 01:35:15,200
innocence of Carol, the gate and
the Starkweather murder Rampage.

1669
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:19,700
If you are someone who checks
the bibliographies every week,

1670
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:22,700
There's a lot of books in this
one.

1671
01:35:23,500 --> 01:35:25,600
Including like I said, I got
like, I mean some of the books,

1672
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:28,100
go back to the 70s.
Absolutely.

1673
01:35:28,100 --> 01:35:32,900
Love that you can request
documents from like the national

1674
01:35:32,900 --> 01:35:38,100
library and things you gotta
give them back but still very

1675
01:35:38,100 --> 01:35:40,600
cool.
Yeah, that's his story about uh,

1676
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:45,800
Murderous couple as they were
called.

1677
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:53,400
I didn't like it like it's all
eventually.

1678
01:35:56,200 --> 01:36:04,800
Oh my God, I did not like that.
One wasn't about, you know,

1679
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:09,300
Wasn't Fred and rosemary West
level, and it's true.

1680
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:13,200
That's true, very true.
It was just still, I don't know,

1681
01:36:13,500 --> 01:36:14,200
I don't know.
Yeah.

1682
01:36:14,200 --> 01:36:18,000
Carol, never she never leveraged
her story for money or anything

1683
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:19,600
like that.
She didn't want any attention

1684
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:23,100
about it, of course, but CeCe
was one of the few people that

1685
01:36:23,100 --> 01:36:24,900
got her to sit down and talk
about her life.

1686
01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:34,300
She wowed the great great
storytelling place.

1687
01:36:35,900 --> 01:36:40,200
Greek and jobs.
All right, what do you have for

1688
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:42,200
us then?
All right.

1689
01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:44,700
Brittany.
Tommy.

1690
01:36:45,300 --> 01:36:46,800
What's your?
What's your favorite kind of

1691
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:51,200
horror, genre?
I mean, I know like movies.

1692
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:53,400
Yeah, real life.
No, no.

1693
01:36:53,400 --> 01:37:00,200
Like the movies.
Like I know this horror horror.

1694
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:04,700
What's your favorite kind of
horror genre?

1695
01:37:04,900 --> 01:37:06,700
Oh zombies?
Yeah, I know.

1696
01:37:08,500 --> 01:37:10,200
I'll watch anything with the
zombie in it.

1697
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:13,900
Even the bad ones.
It was homies and then you like

1698
01:37:13,900 --> 01:37:16,800
some Supernatural stuff, right?
Sometimes now that's a lot of

1699
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:19,700
real real ghost stuff.
I just watched through the

1700
01:37:19,700 --> 01:37:22,900
entire holes or files.
I wish there was more of them as

1701
01:37:22,900 --> 01:37:27,900
a great show and now I'm
watching destination fear, I've

1702
01:37:27,900 --> 01:37:31,800
heard of that one.
Well, okay, so that's run by.

1703
01:37:32,300 --> 01:37:37,000
So that show is by a guy who won
a competition that allowed him

1704
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:40,400
to be the camera guy for Ghost
Adventures.

1705
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:44,100
And then after his time there,
He got his own show.

1706
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:47,800
So he worked with Zak Bagans for
a little bit and you know what I

1707
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:51,200
would win a car, I would want to
enter like a contest like that

1708
01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:55,600
just to be like just to get that
exposure and so now he has a

1709
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:57,900
whole show that has like six
seasons so I'm watching through

1710
01:37:57,900 --> 01:38:00,300
all those Nice Slice, that's
awesome.

1711
01:38:00,900 --> 01:38:06,800
Okay, well today I'm going to go
into detail about like in a very

1712
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:11,600
interesting form of horror
that's that's been around for a

1713
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:14,600
few days.
Couple years four years, I think

1714
01:38:14,600 --> 01:38:19,900
since 2019, maybe even before
then like certainly 2015.

1715
01:38:19,900 --> 01:38:27,500
Maybe and have you ever heard of
something called analog horror?

1716
01:38:30,100 --> 01:38:32,400
Analog horror.
Yes.

1717
01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:37,800
How is it analog?
It's like okay.

1718
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:41,700
I'll tell you, I'll explain.
Do you mean like do you mean

1719
01:38:41,700 --> 01:38:47,100
like I recently watched a movie
where people went to a show.

1720
01:38:47,500 --> 01:38:51,200
They agreed to sign up for like
a horror weekend and be put

1721
01:38:51,200 --> 01:38:55,300
through an experience like they
were in a horror movie.

1722
01:38:56,800 --> 01:39:01,900
Is that analog her?
That is, but that horrible house

1723
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:05,000
that was in Tennessee in and
that guy had to move it at a

1724
01:39:05,008 --> 01:39:07,400
Tennessee where he just like
water boards people.

1725
01:39:08,500 --> 01:39:10,300
Okay.
Exact guy is that analog heart

1726
01:39:10,300 --> 01:39:12,400
because I'm not doing that none
of that stuff.

1727
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:15,500
I'm not some torturous, nothing
like that, it's that guy

1728
01:39:15,500 --> 01:39:17,800
tortures people for fun.
Yeah.

1729
01:39:18,100 --> 01:39:20,100
Like that.
Whatever you think you mentioned

1730
01:39:20,100 --> 01:39:23,700
before that, the movie like the
people got to have a horror

1731
01:39:23,700 --> 01:39:25,300
experience.
Yes.

1732
01:39:26,200 --> 01:39:28,800
Diary, that was a fictional
thing, but they like pretty much

1733
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:35,100
like, put that way through hell.
Okay, maybe you want to go.

1734
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:38,300
But anyway, I'll tell you about
the movie later.

1735
01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:43,900
Okay, so so for animal car you
mainly see these these types of

1736
01:39:43,900 --> 01:39:51,700
videos on YouTube or I've seen
like one on Tick Tock and that

1737
01:39:51,700 --> 01:39:56,600
was actually pretty good.
Oh, I like those cool little

1738
01:39:56,600 --> 01:39:58,600
shorties.
I love those things.

1739
01:39:59,300 --> 01:40:03,000
Maybe, maybe it's from the
thinking of the little three

1740
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:05,600
minute horror films or like five
minutes films.

1741
01:40:05,800 --> 01:40:08,600
Yes, Like there are some that
are very good.

1742
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:14,500
Yeah, something like that.
So if you haven't seen yes, I

1743
01:40:14,500 --> 01:40:19,300
watch Corey Kenshin.
Super scary Sunday or whatever

1744
01:40:19,300 --> 01:40:21,800
they called, he usually watches
a bunch of them that people

1745
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:23,300
submit to him.
Okay.

1746
01:40:23,300 --> 01:40:25,500
So you probably have seen some
of these videos.

1747
01:40:26,100 --> 01:40:28,300
Okay.
Okay they're great.

1748
01:40:29,100 --> 01:40:33,800
I wish in fact that one that
involved the lady with the

1749
01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:37,300
lights and the thing that kept
moving closer to her, Her and

1750
01:40:37,300 --> 01:40:40,300
then that that got turned into a
real movie.

1751
01:40:40,300 --> 01:40:43,500
It did from that three-minute,
that would like to many clip.

1752
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:45,800
Yeah, those I think that's dope
that like people get the

1753
01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:49,000
opportunity to, you know, sell
that property and have it become

1754
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:52,000
a real film.
It's really great.

1755
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:57,600
So if you haven't seen these
videos, I'm talking about

1756
01:40:57,900 --> 01:41:01,800
overhanging anybody from a
horror Community to all you

1757
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:05,700
people listening, I'm gonna fill
you in on it.

1758
01:41:05,800 --> 01:41:09,700
I'm tell you a little bit about
analog horror and I keep saying

1759
01:41:09,700 --> 01:41:16,700
horror because it's hard to say
it is hard to say horror horror

1760
01:41:22,900 --> 01:41:26,700
I'm just going to talk a little
bit about it and give you some

1761
01:41:26,700 --> 01:41:31,800
suggestions on what to watch if
you're interested in it because

1762
01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:33,700
it's like someone some of these
videos.

1763
01:41:33,700 --> 01:41:37,900
Somebody series just La the
Great.

1764
01:41:39,300 --> 01:41:46,300
Okay, so let's start off with
what analog harder is and this

1765
01:41:46,300 --> 01:41:49,000
one Reddit user I was looking on
Reddit and this one Reddit user

1766
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:51,100
it.
He explains it like perfectly.

1767
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:54,600
And it's, am I still recording?
I think I'm sorry.

1768
01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:57,100
I see a little red dot.
You're good.

1769
01:41:57,400 --> 01:42:00,600
Okay, cool.
So after your screen, all right,

1770
01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:03,000
I just left the page, so I just
had to tab.

1771
01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:06,500
I have all my tabs open.
Oh, so is the tab.

1772
01:42:06,500 --> 01:42:08,300
Doesn't close your fine.
Okay.

1773
01:42:08,300 --> 01:42:09,000
Awesome.
Mmm.

1774
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:14,400
And so basically what animal car
is it's a it's an immersive

1775
01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:16,500
media.
So kind of like you said that

1776
01:42:16,500 --> 01:42:19,500
movie with the people that she
experienced was like a horror

1777
01:42:19,500 --> 01:42:22,700
movie.
It's immersive media and it's

1778
01:42:22,700 --> 01:42:27,000
usually horror media whore me to
it.

1779
01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:30,700
It involves some sort of like
protagonist, right?

1780
01:42:31,100 --> 01:42:35,300
So like markimoo His little
videos where you clicked in went

1781
01:42:35,300 --> 01:42:37,800
for different videos, based on
your choices like the choose

1782
01:42:37,800 --> 01:42:39,100
your own horror thing like he
did.

1783
01:42:39,500 --> 01:42:40,700
Yeah.
Something like that?

1784
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:47,100
Yeah, something like that.
And and like something that that

1785
01:42:47,100 --> 01:42:52,000
reacts to situations that like
ne'er the narrative, use analog

1786
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:56,800
horror it makes you the
protagonist like you yourself or

1787
01:42:56,800 --> 01:43:00,900
to protagonist you like that.
It means that like you're the

1788
01:43:00,900 --> 01:43:03,100
person who has to like connect
the pieces.

1789
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:10,500
Like a puzzle adventure and or
oh my gosh, tender had one.

1790
01:43:12,900 --> 01:43:15,100
I saw that.
Yeah you like that?

1791
01:43:15,100 --> 01:43:18,100
Yeah I specifically played it
because I was like I want to see

1792
01:43:18,100 --> 01:43:21,200
who murdered everybody.
I made the wrong choice and got

1793
01:43:21,200 --> 01:43:25,600
arrested but it was super fun.
I was like this was really cool.

1794
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:28,400
I was like it didn't help me at
all find a date but it was a

1795
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:32,900
cool experience.
Yeah, I did play that.

1796
01:43:35,700 --> 01:43:38,600
We need more of those and we
really do get that was fun.

1797
01:43:40,700 --> 01:43:43,900
But yeah, they gives you like
like it just gives you like a

1798
01:43:43,900 --> 01:43:46,300
Your Own Adventure, like you
said, Choose Your Own Adventure

1799
01:43:46,300 --> 01:43:51,500
type of thing.
And is it here?

1800
01:43:55,100 --> 01:43:58,000
Now, when I first like start
watching some of these series, I

1801
01:43:58,000 --> 01:44:01,300
was like, so it's basically
like, it's basically like, you

1802
01:44:01,300 --> 01:44:07,700
know, those found tape movies
like Blair, Witch or VHS, okay?

1803
01:44:07,700 --> 01:44:11,200
I was going to say, because I
hate Paranormal Activity, I

1804
01:44:11,200 --> 01:44:14,300
wouldn't even know.
No, that's what VHS, lovely

1805
01:44:14,300 --> 01:44:16,900
great series.
Oh yeah, PHS is really great.

1806
01:44:18,500 --> 01:44:21,300
You see the new one?
Wait, did we watch the new one?

1807
01:44:21,300 --> 01:44:23,200
I think.
I'm pretty sure where I watched

1808
01:44:23,200 --> 01:44:25,900
it and I watched it.
It's on Netflix.

1809
01:44:26,100 --> 01:44:37,200
It is You know, what?
But with with those stories,

1810
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:40,600
it's already been towed, right?
Like okay.

1811
01:44:40,600 --> 01:44:43,400
Just you just find a tape,
right?

1812
01:44:43,500 --> 01:44:50,400
But within little car, it gives
you A gives you the story as

1813
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:52,000
your what?
I don't know.

1814
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:53,800
How to explain it, like as you
interact with it.

1815
01:44:53,800 --> 01:44:54,400
No, no.
It makes me.

1816
01:44:54,500 --> 01:44:57,100
Exactly, exactly.
So you're second-guessing

1817
01:44:57,100 --> 01:44:59,300
yourself and you're telling me
stop that.

1818
01:45:02,600 --> 01:45:05,200
It gives you the sense of the
sense of like, oh shit, this

1819
01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:06,800
could actually like be
happening.

1820
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:10,200
Like, this is like this existed.
Like he remember when briefly,

1821
01:45:10,200 --> 01:45:12,100
when like phone cameras got
better?

1822
01:45:12,500 --> 01:45:15,100
They were trying to make like
augmented reality.

1823
01:45:15,200 --> 01:45:17,400
Oh yes.
Horror stories on your phone.

1824
01:45:17,500 --> 01:45:20,600
That's part of it, too art.
Do you have any that actually

1825
01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:22,400
worked?
Because the ones I remember when

1826
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:25,900
they tried were not very good,
no, there's one that actually

1827
01:45:25,900 --> 01:45:29,300
worked up with love to play that
I remember Terror like sending

1828
01:45:29,300 --> 01:45:32,400
me a link to some One of them
and I was like this one was like

1829
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:37,400
shit.
Because it is like you go

1830
01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:40,100
through your house and, you
know, the AR is going on and

1831
01:45:40,100 --> 01:45:42,100
you're supposed to like hunt for
ghosts and stuff like that.

1832
01:45:42,100 --> 01:45:47,100
But well now I have seen a short
that's about an AR horror, that

1833
01:45:47,100 --> 01:45:50,000
becomes real.
It was a short clip and then I

1834
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:55,000
also watched a movie about how
an AR har clip became real but

1835
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:58,700
so far.
No real a are like phone game

1836
01:45:59,700 --> 01:46:08,200
that fits.
Yeah, no. well yeah, it's like

1837
01:46:08,200 --> 01:46:15,400
like I said just put you into it
and Videos of animal car.

1838
01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:19,500
They do like they do a great job
of making the videos look real

1839
01:46:19,500 --> 01:46:22,500
enough.
Like I'll explain to you later.

1840
01:46:22,500 --> 01:46:27,700
But I mean by that make it look
real enough but then like

1841
01:46:27,700 --> 01:46:30,900
throughout the video starts to
deteriorate and it starts to

1842
01:46:30,900 --> 01:46:34,400
become like a very, very creepy
and unsettling as your as you

1843
01:46:34,407 --> 01:46:41,500
keep watching it and it's just
like like your skin just starts

1844
01:46:41,500 --> 01:46:49,100
crawling, you A little bit.
Um, Not in, Lockhart not OS.

1845
01:46:49,700 --> 01:46:54,700
My spelling is terrible.
Now it look hard does you some

1846
01:46:54,700 --> 01:46:57,900
like it does you some
found-footage clips, you know?

1847
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:02,500
But it's not like the entire
basis of the whole video like

1848
01:47:02,700 --> 01:47:06,300
you, you get some like little
clips into it but that's about

1849
01:47:06,300 --> 01:47:11,700
it.
So another great reason as to

1850
01:47:11,700 --> 01:47:19,700
why am L car is so scary is
because it gives you a nostalgic

1851
01:47:19,700 --> 01:47:22,100
feel to it.
Okay?

1852
01:47:22,900 --> 01:47:26,800
So what I mean by that is, okay
I'm going to give you storytime

1853
01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:30,700
okay?
Oh no before that it gives you

1854
01:47:30,700 --> 01:47:32,900
some stuff.
Some some of the Inland card

1855
01:47:32,900 --> 01:47:38,700
like some of the videos, they
They use like, emergency

1856
01:47:38,700 --> 01:47:42,500
broadcasting like system type of
noise and stuff like that.

1857
01:47:42,500 --> 01:47:46,700
Like, as soon as you load the
video, you get that beep beep.

1858
01:47:46,700 --> 01:47:49,200
Beep that noise.
And then it gives you like the

1859
01:47:49,200 --> 01:47:52,200
flashes that card of you know,
emergency blah blah blah, blah

1860
01:47:52,200 --> 01:47:55,200
blah, blah blah, like oh shit.
So you like you're used to

1861
01:47:55,200 --> 01:47:58,400
seeing something like that.
So like in real life so that

1862
01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:01,400
kind of like it hits you like is
this real?

1863
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:03,600
Am I watching a real video or
something like that?

1864
01:48:05,200 --> 01:48:09,700
But okay, story time.
When I was a kid.

1865
01:48:11,700 --> 01:48:14,600
I used to I used to stay up all
night right?

1866
01:48:15,300 --> 01:48:17,800
Especially do over summer.
I stay up all night, drink

1867
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:29,000
Mountain Dew, watch TV.
That that was my shit. and, I

1868
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:34,300
would, I would flip to this,
like Flickr channels to get to

1869
01:48:34,308 --> 01:48:36,900
Cartoon Network because a girl's
phone was on there.

1870
01:48:36,900 --> 01:48:45,200
Of course and I'm flip past this
one channel, that was like a A

1871
01:48:45,200 --> 01:48:50,500
public like, you know, a public
broadcasting channel and all it

1872
01:48:50,500 --> 01:48:54,300
had was like just cards cards of
words on it and just they've

1873
01:48:54,300 --> 01:48:59,300
just like go by like a freaking
was a slideshow or PowerPoint

1874
01:48:59,300 --> 01:49:03,700
presentation basically and you
know to have some like nice

1875
01:49:03,700 --> 01:49:06,900
mellow music playing in the
background blah blah blah and it

1876
01:49:06,900 --> 01:49:09,600
would tell you like events going
on in your community and in our

1877
01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:11,600
state of the in our part of the
state.

1878
01:49:15,100 --> 01:49:21,100
Certain times during this
broadcast, this guy would get on

1879
01:49:21,600 --> 01:49:24,400
over to speakers.
Like he was talking over like

1880
01:49:24,700 --> 01:49:34,100
truck radio and just and just
say shit on the station and like

1881
01:49:34,100 --> 01:49:36,300
I was just remember being
creeped out by it because I was

1882
01:49:36,300 --> 01:49:39,900
like, okay first of all, this is
like very jarring because it was

1883
01:49:39,900 --> 01:49:42,100
just mellow music in it.
All of a sudden like this guy's

1884
01:49:42,100 --> 01:49:46,000
voice, like all staticky coming
through Through the speakers

1885
01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:49,600
people feet.
I'm just thinking of like the

1886
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:54,000
music like that.
Oh yes, like elevator music

1887
01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:57,000
being on this channel.
Yeah there's like a random dude.

1888
01:49:57,800 --> 01:50:05,800
Yes, that's exactly what it was
like and Okay.

1889
01:50:06,100 --> 01:50:09,700
Okay, and in Italy and he would
just like pop up and just like

1890
01:50:09,700 --> 01:50:17,800
version users and it's like what
the fuck is happening and I like

1891
01:50:17,800 --> 01:50:19,300
it.
This is Mountain Dew doing

1892
01:50:19,300 --> 01:50:24,300
something to me.
Like it was just a Mountain Dew.

1893
01:50:24,300 --> 01:50:36,700
Do you say?
And it's just like sleeping in

1894
01:50:36,700 --> 01:50:39,500
the basement.
Everything is dark and just a TV

1895
01:50:39,500 --> 01:50:43,400
on and just like it was very
creepy and I did it on purpose

1896
01:50:43,400 --> 01:50:48,800
to be creeped out, but it's
still got what you asked for

1897
01:50:49,400 --> 01:50:50,700
really did.
I really did.

1898
01:50:53,600 --> 01:50:57,300
Okay, so they now want to go on
read it and be like, all right,

1899
01:50:57,300 --> 01:51:01,100
folks from central Pennsylvania.
Do you remember Channel X and

1900
01:51:01,100 --> 01:51:03,700
the weird guy who showed up in
the middle of the night?

1901
01:51:03,700 --> 01:51:06,100
I bet you if this really
happened and it wasn't a figment

1902
01:51:06,100 --> 01:51:09,100
of your imagination.
Other people will show up.

1903
01:51:09,300 --> 01:51:13,900
I swear it was it, it was not,
it wasn't a figment, it's

1904
01:51:13,900 --> 01:51:17,800
happened and it may, he may just
been announcing some shit and I

1905
01:51:17,800 --> 01:51:19,800
just didn't understand him
because of the way he's bruised

1906
01:51:20,500 --> 01:51:25,700
talking like that, but Like, it
was real and it happened.

1907
01:51:25,700 --> 01:51:31,300
I remember, they anybody for PA
Central PA just stayed up all

1908
01:51:31,300 --> 01:51:33,200
night.
Or, you know this, what about?

1909
01:51:33,200 --> 01:51:36,700
What like the late 90s early
2000s their wishes I wasn't I'd

1910
01:51:36,700 --> 01:51:41,100
say Let us know if you
experience that at all

1911
01:51:41,700 --> 01:51:46,000
Millennials.
Okay, so, so guess what?

1912
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:51,400
I've been doing in my in my
research of analog horror, what

1913
01:51:51,400 --> 01:51:54,900
have you been doing?
I've been watching videos on

1914
01:51:54,900 --> 01:51:57,900
YouTube.
I was hoping you would have some

1915
01:51:59,000 --> 01:52:03,200
to give us.
I got a lot and I put those in

1916
01:52:03,200 --> 01:52:07,200
the show notes on the website.
Oh definitely I can I'll do

1917
01:52:07,200 --> 01:52:11,600
that.
But, you know, I've been

1918
01:52:11,600 --> 01:52:16,000
watching a lot of these series.
And there are a few I'm going to

1919
01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:18,000
suggest to you.
Okay?

1920
01:52:18,300 --> 01:52:22,500
And like I'm going to go well,
the first one is like my

1921
01:52:22,500 --> 01:52:25,700
favorite one in the second one
like anything below.

1922
01:52:25,700 --> 01:52:29,900
The first one.
It's I like it but it's not my

1923
01:52:29,900 --> 01:52:36,200
favorite but it's a really good
like Okay, sorry, it's really

1924
01:52:36,200 --> 01:52:37,900
good story.
I'm trying to think of the word,

1925
01:52:38,200 --> 01:52:41,100
okay?
So the first one I'm going to

1926
01:52:41,100 --> 01:52:45,400
say is it's called a Gemini Home
Entertainment.

1927
01:52:47,500 --> 01:52:50,100
Like you Google that.
Go on YouTube, looking up the

1928
01:52:50,100 --> 01:52:55,200
Gemini home entertainment, open
up a Word document.

1929
01:52:59,300 --> 01:53:03,800
So this is like my favorite one
and I'll tell you why.

1930
01:53:05,100 --> 01:53:09,100
What the first the first video
It's called.

1931
01:53:09,100 --> 01:53:12,000
I think it's called weird
animals.

1932
01:53:12,200 --> 01:53:16,800
Let me see what's it called?
Word world of world's weirdest

1933
01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:21,700
animals Gemini.
Home Entertainment.

1934
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:26,300
Now you're not going to spoil it
for everybody or no.

1935
01:53:26,300 --> 01:53:29,300
No of course not.
No no I don't do that.

1936
01:53:29,300 --> 01:53:32,300
Come on now.
But now.

1937
01:53:32,300 --> 01:53:36,200
So I'm just going to talk about
like the first video I watched.

1938
01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:43,100
So it's called world's weirdest
animals and I think it's they do

1939
01:53:43,100 --> 01:53:45,300
another Wisconsin.
All right.

1940
01:53:45,600 --> 01:53:49,100
It's what the I think that's
what it is because it has like

1941
01:53:49,100 --> 01:53:52,600
the face that the side profile
of a face on like side of the

1942
01:53:52,600 --> 01:53:54,200
state exam.
Johnson.

1943
01:53:57,400 --> 01:54:00,600
So anyway, it shows off like two
animals, they're both Birds.

1944
01:54:00,600 --> 01:54:07,200
One's a freakin bird that has
like tougher feathers at so it

1945
01:54:07,200 --> 01:54:08,600
mates.
So, you know, it doesn't mean

1946
01:54:08,600 --> 01:54:11,200
anything's.
The other ones like a cow a

1947
01:54:11,200 --> 01:54:13,300
burrowing owl.
I don't know what the first

1948
01:54:13,300 --> 01:54:15,500
animals called I'm sorry.
I don't know if herzberg's coal

1949
01:54:15,700 --> 01:54:19,000
but the second was like a
burrowing owl and apparently

1950
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:21,200
they burrow in the ground make
their nests, they don't use

1951
01:54:21,200 --> 01:54:26,700
trees and stuff like that.
But the second or the third one,

1952
01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:31,300
the third animal is called
something like a went, a wood

1953
01:54:31,300 --> 01:54:36,900
Walker or would creeper or would
stalker type of thing and cool

1954
01:54:36,900 --> 01:54:41,300
name.
Yeah, so with with each of these

1955
01:54:41,300 --> 01:54:43,400
animals, it's showed what part
of the state.

1956
01:54:43,400 --> 01:54:49,300
It was located at, but for the
third one, it said everywhere.

1957
01:54:50,800 --> 01:54:52,500
Yeah, yeah.
Fun fun, right.

1958
01:54:52,500 --> 01:54:57,000
And then If which once you watch
this video you'll see why it's

1959
01:54:57,000 --> 01:55:02,600
fun because it kind of gets it
gets weird at this point and it

1960
01:55:02,600 --> 01:55:06,700
turns into like some type of
home video type of thing.

1961
01:55:07,500 --> 01:55:11,800
Okay, so for at first it was
like a documentary, this short

1962
01:55:11,800 --> 01:55:14,800
documentary and and documentary.
Yeah.

1963
01:55:14,800 --> 01:55:22,300
Basically and then it turned
into some weird as home homes

1964
01:55:22,800 --> 01:55:24,300
home video, right?
Okay.

1965
01:55:24,500 --> 01:55:29,900
And and basically, there's a
cameraman who's stalking outside

1966
01:55:29,900 --> 01:55:34,200
of a house like with a camera
and he's just looking inside,

1967
01:55:34,200 --> 01:55:37,800
just videotaping, what's going
on the side and the bird?

1968
01:55:38,800 --> 01:55:42,400
He's the bird is something
stopped.

1969
01:55:44,800 --> 01:55:49,200
Uh-huh.
Yeah I'm not going to get too

1970
01:55:49,200 --> 01:55:53,300
far into that but um it
basically it went into like what

1971
01:55:53,300 --> 01:55:56,600
these things were and they were
kind of like fake humans or

1972
01:55:56,900 --> 01:56:00,100
people things that impersonated
humans and stuff like that.

1973
01:56:01,100 --> 01:56:04,300
Oh, they're obviously pigeons
and they're not real.

1974
01:56:04,700 --> 01:56:05,700
Yeah.
Yeah.

1975
01:56:05,700 --> 01:56:07,800
Obviously.
And it's like the video just

1976
01:56:07,800 --> 01:56:10,200
gets creepy after that.
And like I watched like the

1977
01:56:10,208 --> 01:56:13,700
whole series and it's just like,
it's just like not.

1978
01:56:13,700 --> 01:56:16,800
Every video is the same and it
gives you different information,

1979
01:56:17,900 --> 01:56:30,800
excuse me, burp, and and, and
And it's just it's just very,

1980
01:56:30,800 --> 01:56:35,100
very chilly.
It's very chilling because like

1981
01:56:35,100 --> 01:56:37,600
I said everybody was different.
You don't, you don't get used to

1982
01:56:37,600 --> 01:56:43,800
it at all.
Second one, it's called local

1983
01:56:43,800 --> 01:56:47,300
58.
So this one is like one of the

1984
01:56:47,400 --> 01:56:55,500
one of the older ones like me
back in. 2019, I think local 58.

1985
01:56:56,100 --> 01:57:01,700
Now that one is supposedly based
out of Mason County West

1986
01:57:01,700 --> 01:57:11,400
Virginia And this one is when I
say public axes, like TV stuff,

1987
01:57:12,100 --> 01:57:14,600
this is what I'm talking about,
local 58.

1988
01:57:16,800 --> 01:57:25,900
They give warnings like in every
freaking video and it can be

1989
01:57:25,900 --> 01:57:29,400
from dump.
Go outside or stuff about the

1990
01:57:29,400 --> 01:57:38,100
moon, don't look at the moon, or
I don't know, it's just, it's

1991
01:57:38,100 --> 01:57:41,100
just weird because it's like,
don't look at the Moon and then

1992
01:57:41,100 --> 01:57:45,200
it deteriorates and then
somebody like hacks into the

1993
01:57:45,200 --> 01:57:49,800
system of like, the public axis
and it's like go outside.

1994
01:57:49,800 --> 01:57:53,900
Look at the Moon.
And then what am I supposed to

1995
01:57:53,900 --> 01:57:58,400
do?
Do it or don't do it.

1996
01:57:58,400 --> 01:58:01,400
Oh my God.
But yeah.

1997
01:58:01,400 --> 01:58:03,500
Like that's a good.
It's a good one too.

1998
01:58:03,500 --> 01:58:06,500
If you're just like, it's a good
one.

1999
01:58:06,500 --> 01:58:08,300
Like, watch these at night,
please do that.

2000
01:58:08,300 --> 01:58:17,900
Oh my god, do it, do it, do it.
So the third one, it's a, it's a

2001
01:58:17,907 --> 01:58:23,600
newer one.
It was made back in 2021 and if

2002
01:58:23,600 --> 01:58:26,500
anybody knows about analog her
who've been watching YouTube,

2003
01:58:26,500 --> 01:58:30,300
are you watching Markiplier or
matpat or Jack?

2004
01:58:30,400 --> 01:58:35,000
Except Takei.
You've probably heard of this

2005
01:58:35,000 --> 01:58:38,500
one already and it's called the
meant that Mandela catalog.

2006
01:58:38,600 --> 01:58:43,200
I like that one is their ego,
their utensils weird.

2007
01:58:43,600 --> 01:58:46,900
And it's got like random
religious stuff in it.

2008
01:58:47,200 --> 01:58:50,000
Not a fan of that one.
The first time I haven't heard

2009
01:58:50,000 --> 01:58:53,100
of but that's when I've actually
seen in, am not a fan of it.

2010
01:58:53,200 --> 01:58:57,900
Yeah.
So it's weird.

2011
01:58:58,000 --> 01:58:59,800
It's weird.
Don't like it, you know, like

2012
01:58:59,800 --> 01:59:04,500
Britney says it's pretty weird.
And some of the First videos you

2013
01:59:04,500 --> 01:59:09,200
watch of it.
It's it's kind of like a public

2014
01:59:09,200 --> 01:59:12,200
access type of thing.
There's a couple of them.

2015
01:59:12,400 --> 01:59:16,500
Yeah, yeah.
Warning you about these these

2016
01:59:16,500 --> 01:59:20,800
types of beings called
alternates that are basically

2017
01:59:20,800 --> 01:59:23,400
like trying to replace humans
and stuff like that.

2018
01:59:24,500 --> 01:59:27,800
Now there are some like
religious images in it and that

2019
01:59:27,800 --> 01:59:32,100
kind of like leads into like
some of the lore of the story.

2020
01:59:35,000 --> 01:59:37,300
Which I'm not going to get too
far into, but it's basically

2021
01:59:37,300 --> 01:59:39,200
like I don't know.
It's kind of like an Invasion of

2022
01:59:39,200 --> 01:59:41,700
the Body Snatchers type of.
Yeah, I do remember that part.

2023
01:59:41,700 --> 01:59:46,400
But yeah that's basically what
it is but it's a really, really

2024
01:59:46,400 --> 01:59:51,400
creepy creepy videos as creepy
serious bump.

2025
01:59:51,500 --> 01:59:53,800
I'm pretty sure.
We're going like voguing to now

2026
01:59:54,100 --> 02:00:00,900
of the there's a lot of them.
Yeah yeah and who it's a trip,

2027
02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:06,700
it's a trip.
Next one, I'm going to talk

2028
02:00:06,700 --> 02:00:08,500
about.
It's called the Walton files.

2029
02:00:08,500 --> 02:00:10,300
Have you heard this one?
Yeah, I think so.

2030
02:00:10,600 --> 02:00:12,500
Okay.
It's I think Matt pads done this

2031
02:00:12,500 --> 02:00:18,700
one as well and it's basically
like VH like every every one of

2032
02:00:18,700 --> 02:00:23,000
these animal carve even talking
about, they're all like BHS type

2033
02:00:23,000 --> 02:00:28,700
of style, you know, it so
deteriorating VHS, you get the

2034
02:00:28,700 --> 02:00:39,700
Jaguar.
It's kind of like a knockoff of

2035
02:00:39,700 --> 02:00:45,500
like Five Nights at Freddy's
taper thing and then it's just

2036
02:00:49,000 --> 02:00:52,700
this was like the second one I
like because it's creepy.

2037
02:00:54,500 --> 02:00:55,900
Hmm.
It's not like it's not like a

2038
02:00:55,907 --> 02:00:58,900
public access one.
It's just it's just like creepy.

2039
02:00:58,900 --> 02:01:04,100
Imagery is going on like it's
like training videos for like

2040
02:01:04,500 --> 02:01:07,700
you know, you're you're being
introduced to this.

2041
02:01:07,700 --> 02:01:12,200
New job is called bonds burgers
and the one with the burger

2042
02:01:12,200 --> 02:01:15,900
place, whether it's bloody and
there's ghosts and stuff, you

2043
02:01:15,900 --> 02:01:17,100
play it.
There's like one where you

2044
02:01:17,100 --> 02:01:21,300
actually play and the burger
places haunted?

2045
02:01:21,600 --> 02:01:23,700
But the cowl one, right?
Yeah, I think I might be

2046
02:01:23,700 --> 02:01:25,000
confusing.
Something else?

2047
02:01:25,100 --> 02:01:26,400
Yeah, that's a diff.
That's a game.

2048
02:01:26,800 --> 02:01:28,900
That's another game.
That's that's a good one though.

2049
02:01:29,800 --> 02:01:32,900
But this one that's called bonds
burgers and it basically is a

2050
02:01:32,900 --> 02:01:37,700
blue rabbit whose Bond based off
of Bonnie from Five Nights at

2051
02:01:37,700 --> 02:01:42,400
Freddy's, that would explain why
matpat was interested in it.

2052
02:01:42,400 --> 02:01:48,400
Yeah.
And it's just it's if you want

2053
02:01:48,400 --> 02:01:54,800
to be creeped out and look at
these on YouTube, Look at

2054
02:01:54,800 --> 02:01:58,800
creepy, animatronic type of like
public type things.

2055
02:01:59,700 --> 02:02:01,700
Check this out, check it out,
check it out.

2056
02:02:03,500 --> 02:02:06,800
Now, last one, last one, it's a
really good one, and it's been

2057
02:02:06,800 --> 02:02:10,500
around for a while.
It's, I think this is.

2058
02:02:10,500 --> 02:02:12,200
This is the oldest one.
I think it's been around since

2059
02:02:12,200 --> 02:02:18,200
2015.
And it's cold, mystery flesh.

2060
02:02:18,200 --> 02:02:21,600
Pit National Park.
Don't do not want either.

2061
02:02:22,100 --> 02:02:28,900
Okay?
That's a good one like you get

2062
02:02:29,100 --> 02:02:32,200
so you get you get videos on
YouTube but on Reddit there's a

2063
02:02:32,200 --> 02:02:35,300
bigger story like there's so
much more to just learn about

2064
02:02:35,300 --> 02:02:43,400
this and basically it's a it's
in the title of the you know,

2065
02:02:43,600 --> 02:02:48,700
it's a mystery flesh pit.
That's that's what it is.

2066
02:02:48,900 --> 02:02:53,700
It's a big-ass.
Pitiful flashback.

2067
02:02:54,200 --> 02:02:58,100
It's like I wish I could send
you pictures of the poem.

2068
02:02:58,800 --> 02:03:04,600
I'm going to sing you like one
of like the Flyers because this

2069
02:03:04,600 --> 02:03:08,200
one give me this one.
So you put it here.

2070
02:03:08,700 --> 02:03:10,700
I'm going to put it in the
weight.

2071
02:03:10,700 --> 02:03:11,900
I put on a chair here.
Hold on.

2072
02:03:11,900 --> 02:03:14,700
Yeah to the right.
You see to the right where it

2073
02:03:14,700 --> 02:03:15,700
says Studio.
Yeah.

2074
02:03:15,700 --> 02:03:16,500
My phone.
Right?

2075
02:03:16,600 --> 02:03:17,800
Yeah.
We have our own chat.

2076
02:03:18,600 --> 02:03:23,700
That's awesome Ravens.
Private chat.

2077
02:03:23,800 --> 02:03:28,000
What?
My no.

2078
02:03:28,000 --> 02:03:30,400
Wait, doesn't let me send
pictures?

2079
02:03:32,500 --> 02:03:38,200
no, it does not whatever sending
in Discord, but it's a mystery,

2080
02:03:38,200 --> 02:03:45,100
it's a big-ass pit of Flesh and
it's like a It was once a

2081
02:03:45,100 --> 02:03:51,300
tourist attraction.
Hmm, But as soon as 20, she

2082
02:03:51,300 --> 02:03:56,800
doesn't think it's is a 2007,
2007 or 2017.

2083
02:03:56,800 --> 02:03:58,500
One of those whichever ends with
a 7.

2084
02:04:01,500 --> 02:04:04,500
Rhino, whichever ends with a 7
is.

2085
02:04:04,500 --> 02:04:11,700
I'm pretty sure it's 20. 2007,
they closed it off mainly

2086
02:04:11,700 --> 02:04:15,600
because of what the fuck?
Pretty kind of does a people.

2087
02:04:17,900 --> 02:04:21,400
Some people, they go there and
then like compelled to like

2088
02:04:21,400 --> 02:04:26,600
worship this fleshy hole in the
ground that had.

2089
02:04:27,200 --> 02:04:31,800
Yeah, it's yeah, it's fucking
gross.

2090
02:04:32,200 --> 02:04:35,600
Um, said you were sending in the
Discord where?

2091
02:04:35,600 --> 02:04:42,700
Yeah, in my computer being slow,
there goes and I'm gonna do the

2092
02:04:42,700 --> 02:04:46,100
downloads and worse at it's in
here somewhere.

2093
02:04:46,800 --> 02:04:49,500
I'm sitting here staring at
disquiet, waiting for it to pop

2094
02:04:49,500 --> 02:04:51,300
up.
I am so sorry.

2095
02:04:52,500 --> 02:04:57,700
It's fine.
Okay.

2096
02:04:57,700 --> 02:04:59,700
Where the fuck is that?
Okay, I don't know where it's

2097
02:04:59,700 --> 02:05:02,500
at.
I saved it, I'ma do it again.

2098
02:05:02,700 --> 02:05:04,800
Anyway, I'm gonna be talking
about it, it's fine.

2099
02:05:04,800 --> 02:05:07,600
You can says me there, okay?
Like I said we'll post things to

2100
02:05:07,600 --> 02:05:13,600
the So people can see it.
And I mean, yeah, absolutely.

2101
02:05:15,700 --> 02:05:23,900
And basically, it's like this
whole living organism that's in

2102
02:05:23,900 --> 02:05:31,100
the ground and it stretches from
like some place in West, Texas,

2103
02:05:31,600 --> 02:05:36,300
to who the hell knows where
Because I don't think anybody

2104
02:05:36,300 --> 02:05:39,700
has found like the the exit to
it.

2105
02:05:39,700 --> 02:05:44,300
So it's it on this one page.
It says it's giant less Channel

2106
02:05:44,600 --> 02:05:49,900
opening through the Earth
epidermis, dermis hypodermis and

2107
02:05:49,900 --> 02:05:54,600
more.
So there's like, there's so many

2108
02:05:54,600 --> 02:05:59,300
and it's like, there are a ton
of organs in this flash pit that

2109
02:05:59,300 --> 02:06:01,000
does remind me of Five Nights at
Freddy's.

2110
02:06:02,200 --> 02:06:04,800
Well, the most recent one, Well,
the Walton files.

2111
02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:11,700
No, I mean spoilers.
But if you get to the, I guess,

2112
02:06:11,700 --> 02:06:19,300
Canon ending in the newest game,
there is a Pile of viscera

2113
02:06:19,300 --> 02:06:24,900
beneath the facility.
That's flashy and robot pieces.

2114
02:06:24,900 --> 02:06:25,800
Oh yeah.
No you're talking about.

2115
02:06:25,800 --> 02:06:31,100
Yeah, you see it.
When you go down there, it's

2116
02:06:31,100 --> 02:06:34,800
weird.
Any sort of bits of skin and

2117
02:06:34,800 --> 02:06:41,900
stuff is I'm out.
I feel you on that one, it

2118
02:06:41,900 --> 02:06:43,800
definitely do because it's
terrible.

2119
02:06:43,800 --> 02:06:49,200
Just look at, um, But yeah, like
I said, some people were

2120
02:06:49,200 --> 02:06:52,300
compelled to worship this.
Basically because of what the

2121
02:06:52,300 --> 02:06:55,900
flesh, but does to you, they
used to hold chores, that people

2122
02:06:55,900 --> 02:06:59,700
can actually go inside the flash
pit and like, look at things in

2123
02:06:59,700 --> 02:07:02,000
the show, like, this is all
fake, right?

2124
02:07:02,000 --> 02:07:06,800
Oh yeah, absolutely.
But it's, you're giving me this

2125
02:07:06,800 --> 02:07:09,500
really happened Vibes.
I know, I talk about it.

2126
02:07:09,600 --> 02:07:11,000
I know.
That's what, that's what I'm

2127
02:07:11,000 --> 02:07:12,500
trying to do.
It's wonderful.

2128
02:07:15,000 --> 02:07:16,500
Oh God, but yeah.
Yeah.

2129
02:07:18,200 --> 02:07:22,200
And that's what these like.
That's what in Lahore does here,

2130
02:07:22,200 --> 02:07:24,400
though.
It like it, they it gives you

2131
02:07:24,400 --> 02:07:27,000
like.
This is like visual Creepypasta.

2132
02:07:27,300 --> 02:07:29,300
Uh-huh.
Absolutely.

2133
02:07:29,700 --> 02:07:31,300
I like it.
When it gets cool.

2134
02:07:33,500 --> 02:07:37,300
More Outlets of.
You know.

2135
02:07:39,900 --> 02:07:43,000
If you go, I swear, if you're
going to read it, whoever is

2136
02:07:43,000 --> 02:07:45,100
interested in as we ever listen
to those dark end of the

2137
02:07:45,100 --> 02:07:51,100
podcast.
If you go on to read it, look up

2138
02:07:51,100 --> 02:07:53,800
mystery blush, fit or analog
horror.

2139
02:07:55,400 --> 02:07:57,000
It's a subreddit, of course.
Yeah.

2140
02:07:57,000 --> 02:07:59,200
It sounds interesting.
I'd like to find more to look at

2141
02:07:59,400 --> 02:08:02,400
oh yeah, definitely.
Just just check it out.

2142
02:08:02,500 --> 02:08:06,400
It's it's really interesting and
it's like something new that a

2143
02:08:06,400 --> 02:08:11,100
give you because like nowadays.
It's like not as easily.

2144
02:08:11,100 --> 02:08:15,200
I want to think about it.
Like the movies that come out.

2145
02:08:15,300 --> 02:08:18,700
Well yeah a lot of my a lot of
my heart friends in my like

2146
02:08:18,700 --> 02:08:21,700
groups that I'm in the complaint
are like, I'm sort of sick of

2147
02:08:21,700 --> 02:08:24,400
seeing Michael Myers kill people
every five years.

2148
02:08:24,500 --> 02:08:26,700
Exactly.
Like I told you so many of us

2149
02:08:26,700 --> 02:08:29,800
are interested in international
hard because it feels like the

2150
02:08:29,800 --> 02:08:32,200
American movie.
Yes.

2151
02:08:32,200 --> 02:08:34,100
Hollywood.
They just want to make a quick

2152
02:08:34,100 --> 02:08:36,300
Buck off of a movie.
Yes.

2153
02:08:36,700 --> 02:08:40,000
And like these these these
theories He's even don't like

2154
02:08:40,000 --> 02:08:46,400
the videos are short, they are.
Long series but they are,

2155
02:08:46,400 --> 02:08:51,000
they're really good for what
they do and like I said, I

2156
02:08:51,000 --> 02:08:54,300
suggest if you want to be scared
when it's like you're bored one

2157
02:08:54,300 --> 02:08:56,300
night, you're like, let me check
out that thing.

2158
02:08:56,300 --> 02:08:59,200
Brian was talking about this to
be analytic horseshit.

2159
02:09:01,000 --> 02:09:04,300
I may have seen some of the
videos, like one of them but not

2160
02:09:04,300 --> 02:09:05,700
known.
It was a full series.

2161
02:09:06,300 --> 02:09:08,100
Oh, another one, it's called the
back rooms.

2162
02:09:08,100 --> 02:09:11,600
I haven't looked into that one,
but it's called the back rooms.

2163
02:09:14,200 --> 02:09:15,900
There's a game about that one
too.

2164
02:09:15,900 --> 02:09:18,000
I think, or someone made a game
of it.

2165
02:09:19,100 --> 02:09:21,400
I love it.
Yeah, but sounds good.

2166
02:09:21,400 --> 02:09:24,000
Creepy evening.
Absolutely.

2167
02:09:24,900 --> 02:09:29,100
Well yeah, that's that's
basically what I got for today.

2168
02:09:29,800 --> 02:09:32,900
I hope you guys enjoyed it.
Yeah, if you find yourself

2169
02:09:32,900 --> 02:09:36,400
wanting to Spook yourself,
Sounds like a good time and

2170
02:09:36,407 --> 02:09:38,500
thank you all so much for
listening as usual.

2171
02:09:38,500 --> 02:09:42,300
You can support us through our
patreon which is just

2172
02:09:42,300 --> 02:09:45,200
patreon.com slash when Killers
get caught or you can buy a

2173
02:09:45,208 --> 02:09:49,800
shirt, there's lots of perks to,
you can even get discounts on

2174
02:09:49,800 --> 02:09:53,000
merge through the patreon or you
can just go directly to the

2175
02:09:53,000 --> 02:09:59,600
merchant, get yourself a fine
mug, Fine.

2176
02:10:01,800 --> 02:10:04,200
Fine hat.
If it is still cold.

2177
02:10:04,200 --> 02:10:07,000
Outside.
Got a long sleeves.

2178
02:10:07,000 --> 02:10:09,400
We got short sleeves, depending
on what part of the world you

2179
02:10:09,400 --> 02:10:10,800
live in.
This is true.

2180
02:10:11,700 --> 02:10:13,400
I'm just thank you so much for
listening.

2181
02:10:13,400 --> 02:10:16,000
Thank you for those of us who
are here always to the end and

2182
02:10:16,000 --> 02:10:20,800
are so nice to us.
We appreciate you really, really

2183
02:10:20,800 --> 02:10:24,500
do.
Have a good weekend.