The Myth of Ted Bundy Part I & The Dover Demon

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Shot, good.
Listen, I found myself thinking

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of that was a very clever.
It is weird.

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I'm wearing my mom's measure
today, but was so, am I?

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I have mine in Gray.
So do I imagine like show on the

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camera, but I have my iPad in
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There we go.
I like my little muffin, it's

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fun because people are like, a
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that the Mothman has as many
groupies.

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Oh yes.
As he does.

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Yeah, you know what's funny
actually?

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Before we start?
I'm sorry.

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It's going off a little thing.
So as I practice Monday night,

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right?
And my coat I'm wearing my mom's

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measure for practice today so it
was my maroon one, I think.

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And I coach you know her
daughter drew the Mothman

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picture for us and she's like I
see you where it is, what she

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Drew, I'm like, hell, yeah, this
is awesome.

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And she's like, oh miles away.
She might message you later

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about some things and I'm like,
oh, that's awesome.

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So I might have some things to
talk about in the future like

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some creepy stuff.
Some creepy stuff, not, you

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know, your dirt be friends.
Are always giving you messages

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about creepy stuff.
I know I love.

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Yo, did you hear about this
place about?

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About 40 minutes away up with
Pennsylvania but regardless this

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week in True Crime.
So this is a story that didn't

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just happen but what they just
found is pretty wild.

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This all goes with this pastor
in Akron Ohio, And so at the end

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of last year, he was arrested
and his church was shut down for

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because he was an unlicensed
funeral director.

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Oh, and the church has been shut
down for about four months.

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And so, here's where things get
crazy.

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Apparently.
A couple of weeks ago, a woman

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who is only referring to herself
as a Urban Explorer like within

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the church because it's pretty
much abandoned now.

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She was in the basement and she
discovered boxes of cremated

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remains.
In the church.

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Dating back to 2010.
This happened at the greater

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Faith Missionary Baptist Church
and Akron Ohio, and the Ohio

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Bureau of Investigations
actually have opened an

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investigation into this as of
January 11th.

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And so, now on top of the fact
that he was not a license

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license.
Funeral home director.

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He also now has to do with the
fact that there were 89 Sets of

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cremated remains that go back to
2010 that he never he didn't get

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to the family, didn't know.
And here's the thing, you're

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actually not allowed to deny
people, their cremated remains

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just because they can't pay,
right?

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So when someone does that, it's
actually illegal, like people

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can make payment plans and
things of that nature.

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But in all situations, like,
like, last year, when I talked

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about, a lot of the like Funeral
Home fail, And take talk a bunch

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of people who work in the
industry like messaged me and

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they were just like, yeah,
that's really illegal.

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You give people their families
remains, you don't hold them

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over their head, like you don't
extort them.

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So now like and here's the thing
is, we don't know if he was

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following the rules.
Normally, when you get cremated

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to make sure that that you can
always be found, they put a

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little tag with your body before
it grows in the Yep.

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Machine.
Yep and that will tag goes with

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you from the time you enter the
facility to the time you leave

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and that way if for some reason
they get misplaced, And 20 years

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from now, somebody finds these
learn in their attic they can

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take it to the local funeral
home.

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Check the number on it and get
it to the right family.

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But if since he wasn't doing
this correctly, I don't know if

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those tags are there.
Okay, so no, see, we went down

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two different lines of thought
when you use, when you said

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about, he had remained in his
basement because no, no, because

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he had cremated remains his
basement right, and you went

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down the path of like, oh no,
he's just family members that he

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didn't return to Ashes to I'm
like, what are these are kill

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people?
Yes, what are.

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These are like victims of his
that are just sitting in his

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pocket in the bay.
The church so far.

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His only crime is just taking
advantage of people who are

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grieving but we'll see how that
continues to go on since they're

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bringing in the big dogs here.
Apparently the churches in

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Columbus but he's from Akron.
Okay, he was also charged with

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racketeering tampering with
records identity fraud, abuse of

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a corpse. in multiple counties
because I guess the families are

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for multiple areas, Lucas
County, Koya, hoga Summit,

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Franklin, And cuz apparently he
was operating multiple funeral

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homes across the state.
Oh wow.

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So here it is.
They've been finding this stuff

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since 2019 as crazy.
He also did get in trouble at

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one of the homes for failing to
refrigerator human body.

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That is a law they have in
Akron.

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Probably a lot, Ohio, probably
not a bad idea, considering what

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we learned about in the last
year.

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Multiple counts for all of these
things.

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And I guess this all started
because this another funeral

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director.
Talk to him and was like hey we

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don't have space at our
facility.

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Can we hold a person at yours?
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Well, that man.
Like that body.

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That was supposed to be held
there.

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He was supposed to have been
buried next to someone.

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One of his relatives in 2004 and
they found his remain, his

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cremated remains two weeks ago.
So he was accepting burial money

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for bodies and then cremating
them probably because it's

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cheaper.
And pocketing the difference.

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But, wait, so that's what
started it.

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But, wait did, what did he
buries in?

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What was buried, who knows
they're going to have to exhume

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the, I mean, they're probably
not a body in there.

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Yeah.
Sorry.

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Feel somebody else.
Yeah.

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Exactly.
Somebody else's body.

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Yeah.
So they're going to have to like

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this is going to be a total
nightmare.

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I feel bad if You're from any of
these counties in Ohio, and you

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work through this man who knows
and also like they're probably

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going to have to test the
cremated remains now, to make

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sure that they're more, not more
than one person or that they are

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actually a person because he
could have been filling bags

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with dust that's happened
before.

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Like, we don't know.
I hope this dude goes to jail

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for a while.
This is just absolutely

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ridiculous.
Yeah, that's my God.

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Not here, too.
Shantay Harden.

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You suck, you're pretty bad.
Personally that's mine total

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like craziness going on over in
Ohio.

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But what about you?
Well there's some craziness

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going on in Pennsylvania as
well.

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Of course that's funny because
you said what's going on in

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Pennsylvania.
Well, I was like let me tell

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you.
Oh goodness.

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Okay, so I don't know if you
heard but Sunday morning there

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was There's a floating car found
in the Susquehanna River.

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Have you heard of this?
No.

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Okay.
Nobody told me.

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Okay, where was it?
Like closer to, where I used to

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live or goodness?
I'm going to say little a little

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further up or wow.
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But okay, so apparently this
car.

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No one was how I got into the
river, but people were cold on

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Sunday morning to investigate
this courtesan River because

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there was a man, a woman and a
two-year-old child ever on top

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of this car.
Oh my God.

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Oh my God.
Yeah, so at least it was

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floating Yeah, um, so just gets
worse after that.

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So not only so.
So, okay.

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So the man woman child.
The man is holding a knife and

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he's threatening this woman.
Okay.

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Well she's a child.
Yeah it got got real bad real

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fast so yeah, he's threatening
her.

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Well, he's on top like when
you're on top of the car, I

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think he does is after what he
says for.

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So I guess police were there
and, you know, they're trying to

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figure out how we're going to
see these people, and this guy

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he's just yelling at the police.
He's like, shoot me, shoot me,

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and And then he turns the knife
on the woman and he starts

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threatening her.
And police are just like, okay,

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well we came let him hurt her so
they shot him.

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What he wanted.
You got what you want it.

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She got shot and then he fell
into the river and know, like I

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said, it's happened Sunday.
Okay.

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Current Sort of Susquehanna
River.

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I don't know if anybody has
looked at it recently, but it's

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really icy.
There are like, a lot of moving,

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he's moving fast.
There's a current only for

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their.
It's like, it's very, very

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active.
So, he fell into the river and

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The wife.
Okay.

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So it turns out that this is his
wife that's on top of the car

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and it's child and they are
rescued.

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Hmm, and it read a quote, I
forget where it's at but I was

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reading all this on pin light
but one of the, you know, the

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search people, they were
searching, they were going to

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first send out a boat to rescue
these people.

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They're on top of card in the
boat that they were going to use

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was wait.
This is like the same day as the

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snowstorm.
Yeah, the snow sorted later that

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day.
But yes, yeah, but I mean, that

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means they would have had to
stop search, right?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah cuz I mean I
don't I know that area got it

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worse than we did.
Where I am in Pennsylvania but

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yes, pretty bad.
It wasn't bad here but like I'm

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hearing from my other friends in
the state that it was not good

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where they were yeah it's not so
the boat they tried to use I

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guess.
The waters were just too rough

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for that one from these about.
So they used I guess the cherry

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picker to get them like you know
they do when they're saving

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people from like burning
buildings, helicopter thing and

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you sit in the little nest and
they pull you up Now I know that

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use a helicopter but they didn't
use that to you it was like some

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like acceptable ladder to use on
you know the fire trucks and

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stuff like that.
I could never stuff like that

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the extendable ladder.
Um like is this like a cherry

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picker type of thing?
I forget what they call only

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have a good record but so the
wife and child were rescued but

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they were going to search for
like the husband but the waters

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to ice.
I see, they're too fast, it's to

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code.
So they like it would be

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preserved when they do get to
him, keep equally cold his crap

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outside right now.
So, yeah, I'll be here.

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Okay, I'm not taking anything
away from the people of the

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Midwest.
I'm sure it's like three degrees

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where y'all are right now.
But it's cold for us so that

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windchill that when she was
crazy, right?

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Now, so the windchill is
ridiculous.

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Okay, so I found a quote that
was looking for and it goes if

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you end up in the river, you're
probably not going to survive

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the position of the car with in
the river.

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And that the fact that it got
stuck on some rocks, is what

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saves a mom and a child.
So, I probably would have sank.

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Yeah, it probably wouldn't.
Something else would have

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happened there?
They, they're lucky.

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They got saved. but, They lie.
We don't know how the car got

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into.
Like we can speculate how the

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car got into a river like he was
probably trying to kill all

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three of them have failed.
Yep.

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That's probably, that's, that's
the thought that I was doing

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this to.
Oh yeah.

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This was going to be a
murder-suicide.

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Yeah.
Absolutely.

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And so at least it didn't
happen.

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No it's just a suicide by cop, I
guess.

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Yeah.
And then it became suicide by

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cop.
Yep.

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Yeah but yeah.
Yeah, like this happened like

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this was reported.
I think it came out in one day.

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So nothing new like I was
looking at was looking looking

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like is there any new do we have
any other backgrounds?

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Nothing yet.
So maybe we'll find some other

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information about you know what
happened between?

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Yeah.
Yeah, that's right.

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I got
well what I have for you.

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This week is the beginning of
what's going to end up being a

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two-part episode.
And I've been putting this off

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for a long time.
Mainly because I have a lot of

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angry feelings about this
particular killer and you're

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going to get to hear them as so
funny people.

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And Tick-Tock were like, I can't
wait to hear your perspective.

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Y'all ready to hear my
perspective?

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So what am I Tick?
Tock followers and I'm sure you

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can guess who it is.
Hey, I'm hams.

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It is who is he's been with us
since the beginning?

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So like that's why would hams is
like just do something.

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He's like you talk about this
person.

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A lot of times I'll do it
because you know what?

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He's been here since the
beginning and you know, yeah,

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that's pretty dope but he has
been asking me to talk about

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this particular killer for a
while.

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Pretty much ever since I made a
video on Tick-Tock where I said,

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it's your boy Ted Bundy because
everybody seems to love him so

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much.
It's your boy.

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So I've often expressed a lot of
frustration with With with him

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because I feel like he's been
romanticized in modern media.

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And a lot of his story is now
like Mythos and because of the

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way, the media has portrayed
him, he's some kind of like,

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Boogeyman or Phantom but in
reality Theodore Robert Bundy

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was a man.
One of my favorite quotes from

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Ann Rule, who we're going to
talk about her a lot because she

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was his friend, she wasn't
actually like the big book.

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True Crime book writer when this
was going on.

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She worked at a crisis Suicide,
Hotline alongside of him and

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they were friends and that's
why, but one of the quotes she

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said is Ted was never handsome
brilliant or charismatic as

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crime, folklore deemed him.
But as I said before, infamy

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became him.
He was a man, nothing more,

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nothing less, and I will admit
ahead of time.

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There's some bias.
He's here.

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I'm a proud member of the Ted
Bundy hate Club.

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But I have promised a lot of you
that I gave you a fair in-depth

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analysis of him.
And so today, we're going to

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talk about one of America's most
infamous killers and we will

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start as we always do.
So he was born Theodore Robert

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Cowell on November 24th, 1946 at
the Elizabeth Lund home for

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unwed mothers in Burlington
Vermont.

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And like I said, who was his
Friday?

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And Rule says that he didn't
know his mother's real identity

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until he was about 24 years old.
He more than likely suspected

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that the woman who was raising
him was his grandmother and his

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but his actual mother.
Other was Louise cow.

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She was raised.
He, they were raised as brother

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and sister and that his
grandparents Samuel and Eleanor

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Cal were his parents.
They all lived in Philadelphia,

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Pennsylvania along with two
aunts who he believed to be his

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sister's, Audrey and Julia.
Interestingly enough, I found

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some interviews with Louise and
she talked about regretting,

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this decision.
It was with an interview with a

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doctor, Dorothy, Louis, but it
was the 40s and being an unwed.

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Mother was still a very big
deal.

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And not only did she have a baby
out of wedlock Willy's, but she

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refused to say, who the father
was, and it's possible that she

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never knew.
She was 22 years old and up

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until that point like she was
the Golden Girl like of the

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siblings.
Everyone.

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You know, loved her and all of a
sudden she has a baby out of

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wedlock and well, not so cold
anymore, right?

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Yeah.
This was such a closely held

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Family, secret that other like,
Aunts Uncles cousins didn't

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know, or it was only like
whispered about like it was a

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suspicion but like they no one
ever confirmed it, which is

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really wild like family secrets,
tend to get told.

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True.
So Ted's young boy and he

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doesn't have the best
upbringing.

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I know I'm really under like
knows what's going on in the Cal

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household.
In fact, bunny didn't talk about

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it until he was in prison.
He began to paint this story of

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how dysfunctional this family
was and it all centers around

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Samuel.
Cow his grandfather, who was a

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bully a bigot openly racist Sis
and very violent.

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And of course, when serial
killers talk about things, when

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they're on death row, there's
though suspicion or the worry

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that they're just lying, right?
Yeah.

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But some of other Ted's, family
members did confirm this and

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like when I say this guy was
racist.

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I mean, he hated anybody that
wasn't white, it was really

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common for him to launch into
these like Thai reads about

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Italian people.
Anybody that wasn't Catholic

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black people, obviously, of
course, and they it would just

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happen.
He would just get mad and go off

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on a tangent.
It was he would also get violent

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if you like didn't sit there and
agree with him, And he also got

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angry and very violent.
If anyone asked any questions

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about, who Ted's father was.
In fact, it was so weird to Ted

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and like the the sisters that
they believed for a long time

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that Samuel cow might have raped
his oldest daughter.

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That because he was like, so
defensive about it.

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I was think I was thinking
something else truck.

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He's, that's another way to look
at it.

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What were you thinking?
I was thinking, like, maybe, I

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don't know, some Italian person,
like gotta go mom pregnant or

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something.
I mean, he might just been

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racist.
It's true.

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I mean, for a Time Italian
people for like, the lowest of

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the white people in America.
So, Is that weird?

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There was like a white people
hierarchy?

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Yeah.
Well yeah.

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Because you think you had like
Irish that were like hate it.

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They were also like on that
ranking.

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I'm just like yo look this like
y'all bow from Europe.

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What's that on here?
Are we talking about?

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Why you hate each other now?
But yeah, so then we have that.

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So there's the the potential
that perhaps Ted Bundy incest

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will never know.
We also have another issue going

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on simultaneously Eleanor
Cowell.

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His grandmother absolutely
miserable.

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Eleanor gets hospitalized.
And they put her through

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electroconvulsive therapy
because they're like this will

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fix your depression.
Instead what it does is making

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her almost agoraphobic refuses
to leave the house which is

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generally like terrified to
leave the house.

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Samuel also has some mental
health issues, but he's not

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going to admit it instead, he
would just be walking around the

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house talking to nobody, in
particular.

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He also abused animals that
crossed his path.

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He would kick like a dog.
If it got in his way, like if I

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can neighbors like cat was
somewhere, he would just like

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pick it up by its tail and throw
it.

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And the son's grandfather,
right?

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That's the grandfather.
Yeah.

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Okay.
And then we're talking about,

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Ted is like a toddler at this
point apparently, like a Ted's.

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Aunt.
Julia said he would get angry

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and jump up and down like, in a
rage and like none of them

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looked forward to their dad
coming home from work.

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He never abused the kids.
It was more like physically, it

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was more emotional and verbal
like I said that contributed to

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Eleanor's mental health she like
could never speak.

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Do you wish is always and he did
physically hit her.

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Does it after too many shock
treatments Eleanor which is was

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like, I'm done with life.
I'm just gonna stay here in my

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room and do nothing else.
So this is all happening.

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While Ted still a toddler.
And this is also when he begins

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to exhibit some bizarre and
strange Behavior.

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More than once his aunts would
wake up and they'd find little

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baby Ted.
Carrying knives in the middle of

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the night.
Placing said knives next to them

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on their beds.
And the, the sisters were

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worried, but the like the way
that one of the one that was

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just like no one acted like,
this was weird, but it's very

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weird that this child is like
prospecting stabbing us, like

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get like a child playing lives.
Next to my bed.

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No, thank you.
Like I get creeped out with my

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kids, just walk around at night.
It's exactly, he's going down to

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the kitchen, pulling out the
knives and then taking them

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upstairs and thinking about
things and what it's wild that

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it's like a baby would be doing
this, okay?

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When Ted was only about three
years.

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Old, he discovered Pornography,
he and his cousin's went into

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Samuel cows Greenhouse where he
had his little garden and they

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found loads of magazines.
And so that was the first time

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that Ted saw porn and he would
continue to seek it out all

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through his childhood.
That's that's that had made a

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big impression on him that Wow.
Oh yeah.

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Did I mention that Samuel Cal
was also a deacon at the local

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church?
Know you do.

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What the hell?
Why are they always at the

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church?
Either way, this is getting

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traumatic for everybody
involved.

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So Louise actually take Ted and
she moves Tacoma Washington.

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He's about four years old.
It's 1950 at this point, he only

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knows the instability of a his
very unwell father and equally

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unwell mom, they move in with
their cousins, Alice Alan and

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Jane Scott.
And at this point, both Louise

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and Ted went by the name Nelson,
so that Louise could pretend And

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that she was a young Widow and
no one would question.

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Why she had this four-year-old
boy?

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1951, Louise meets Johnny,
Culpepper Bundy.

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At a church single's night and
the to fall in love, they get

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married in 1952 when Ted is 6
years old, Ted took his

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stepfathers name and that is how
we know him to this day Bundy

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Louisa going to have four more
children with Johnny but from

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the beginning Ted never felt
like he was a member of the

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family because he didn't really
know.

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He was Louise's son so like he
was just these kids.

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Cousin, right?
Not his brothers and sisters.

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So he felt like he was just kind
of hanging on.

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They live in a very small house,
they had very little money.

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The relationship between Johnny
and Ted was never very great

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that was shy and socially
awkward.

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And he thought the key to people
liking him was him having better

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clothes.
And as a child he had these like

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fantasies.
They were pretty significant

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because he would talk about it
with people that he was going to

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be adopted by Roy Rogers and
Dale Evans and he was going to

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get to live in a mansion and it
was he really deserved better

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things.
But Johnny was a working-class

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guy five foot four, and he
worked in a hospital as a cook.

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And interestingly enough when
Dad was like six, he

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legitimately told like we're
talking about his like

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kindergarten friends that he
purposefully staged a public

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tantrum and peed himself in an
attempt to embarrass his new

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father.
Oh my God.

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Now, Louise Bundy has insisted
even after bunnies execution,

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that his lack of a father, and
his early years didn't affect

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him.
She said he never asked about

455
00:30:46,300 --> 00:30:48,600
his dad because there were no
other young kids in the

456
00:30:48,608 --> 00:30:52,100
neighborhood and she never
mentioned him and he she said he

457
00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:55,400
never asked both dr.
Judith Lewis.

458
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,600
And I agree that a lot of the
things Louise has said in

459
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,500
interviews, sounds like she's
hiding a lot of stuff and even

460
00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:05,400
yeah, even in the 80s when she
was an older.

461
00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:09,500
And at this point she was still
kind of Saving Face for her

462
00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:14,000
family.
I don't see why I like you're

463
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,600
already that would like just
spill the beans we need.

464
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,300
Yeah, I still wonder.
Yeah, but uh, since Louise was

465
00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:28,700
so secretive about his father,
Ted begin to make up his own

466
00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:32,400
story and it wasn't good,
because that's kind of what kids

467
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,300
do.
He filled in the blanks since

468
00:31:35,300 --> 00:31:39,000
his mother wouldn't he assumed?
He was unwanted, he had been

469
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:44,500
abandoned, he told a Utah, State
Prison psychologist after he was

470
00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:47,800
caught later on.
That when he was 13 years old,

471
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,700
he found his birth certificate
and it said, father, unknown.

472
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:57,500
Ted told the doctor that it
didn't matter to him, but I

473
00:31:57,500 --> 00:31:59,800
think from some of the other
interviews that I've read that

474
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,700
this created a kind of a
separation between Ted and his

475
00:32:02,700 --> 00:32:06,500
mom.
Like, so, this always happens a

476
00:32:06,508 --> 00:32:11,200
lot when they pull a serial
killer in, they make them do

477
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,500
little tester.
Member I told you that Anthony

478
00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:16,400
Sal had to answer questions when
he was in prison.

479
00:32:16,700 --> 00:32:21,700
Yes, yes.
Anthony Sal would say things

480
00:32:21,700 --> 00:32:26,600
like, I love my mom and he was
deeply abused by his mother.

481
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,300
Ted never said I love my mom.
He would say things like she

482
00:32:32,300 --> 00:32:35,200
paid the bills.
I had a roof over my head.

483
00:32:35,300 --> 00:32:37,200
She never yelled at me as a
child.

484
00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:42,200
That's a disconnect.
Even if it's not like a

485
00:32:42,700 --> 00:32:46,200
aggressive or violent
disconnect, but it's just a very

486
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,800
it's a line there between him
believing what that she loved

487
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,000
him or not.
You're right?

488
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,000
Yeah.
He also told one of his

489
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,000
girlfriends later in life that
when he was about 10 or 12

490
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,700
cousin told him, he was a
bastard and that was when he

491
00:33:03,700 --> 00:33:08,100
became distinctly angry with
Louise for making him a

492
00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:12,800
vulnerable to humiliation.
Didn't care about the actual

493
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,900
state of his father of his
father.

494
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:23,000
Just that people knowing that.
Or thinking that made him meant,

495
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,800
they could humiliate him.
So he said whether it was 13 or

496
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,400
24 like he told animal, it's a
moment of his life that I would

497
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,100
consider to be upsetting and the
beginning of a downward spiral.

498
00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:40,100
It's probably a big surprise to
people listening that he was not

499
00:33:40,100 --> 00:33:44,100
a Charming child.
The media has pushed really hard

500
00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:47,800
at the idea that Ted Bundy was
charming and charismatic and he

501
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,800
might have been in his, like,
personal life as an adult, but

502
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:57,300
he wasn't with strangers, and he
wasn't when he was little It was

503
00:33:57,300 --> 00:33:59,800
he had heard he was very
awkward.

504
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,100
Had a speech impediment.
He wasn't very athletic.

505
00:34:02,100 --> 00:34:05,300
He failed to make the high
school, basketball team and

506
00:34:05,300 --> 00:34:09,000
baseball teams.
Every time he applied, he was

507
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,400
this loner who had these
grandiose plans for himself and

508
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,699
even a minor failure.
Failure was considered

509
00:34:14,699 --> 00:34:18,100
unacceptable to him.
He was completely oblivious on

510
00:34:18,100 --> 00:34:20,600
how to talk to girls at all.
And only went on one date in

511
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:28,000
high school.
Like I said, so we're going to

512
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:34,800
give a pause here, one of.
So we have what we know are

513
00:34:35,699 --> 00:34:42,199
Ted's original attacks and
murders but there's one that

514
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:46,800
people have suspected for a
little while and it's the rumor

515
00:34:47,100 --> 00:34:50,300
or the concept that he killed a
child in his neighborhood when

516
00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:54,900
he was 14 years old.
This is something that police in

517
00:34:54,900 --> 00:35:00,100
Tacoma have been looking at in
Washington as recently as 2019.

518
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,100
A little girl by the name of
Anne-Marie bird went missing

519
00:35:04,100 --> 00:35:08,900
from her home and Acoma on
August 31st, 1961 Bundy and his

520
00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:11,500
family lived literally like
three blocks away.

521
00:35:12,900 --> 00:35:15,800
Her mother woke up checked on
each of the kids in the morning

522
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,600
and an wasn't in her bed.
Her room showed no sign of

523
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,000
struggle, their living room
window was open.

524
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,100
And when the police arrived,
they noticed, one of the garden

525
00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:27,100
benches had been pulled up to
the window and there was a shoe

526
00:35:27,100 --> 00:35:30,000
Prime.
They went door-to-door in the

527
00:35:30,008 --> 00:35:34,500
community looking for her, but
one of the issues that happened

528
00:35:34,500 --> 00:35:39,700
here was that they all lived
next to like within blocks of

529
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,500
the University of Puget Sound
and the University was under

530
00:35:43,500 --> 00:35:47,300
heavy construction at this time.
So there was a lot of traffic in

531
00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:49,800
the area with a lot of strangers
coming in and out of the region

532
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,200
and older siblings went to the
construction site and saw that

533
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,100
there were all these ditches.
And so, they went to the police

534
00:35:57,100 --> 00:36:01,900
and were like, She's probably
there, like, she's probably in

535
00:36:01,900 --> 00:36:03,700
one of those construction
ditches.

536
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,000
And then by the time, the police
came like only a couple days

537
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,700
later they had paved over the
entire area.

538
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:15,600
Oh, what the hell?
Police work wasn't as fast.

539
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,800
Back then.
But yeah, so I mean the the

540
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,100
prevailing belief is that a
man's body is under the

541
00:36:24,100 --> 00:36:28,400
university, which is sad.
But the question is, why do

542
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:33,000
people believe that he did this?
Well, 14 year old, Ted was a

543
00:36:33,008 --> 00:36:36,100
terror in Tacoma and his little
area.

544
00:36:36,300 --> 00:36:39,200
He was known for killing animals
in pretty grotesque ways.

545
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,300
He was stealing people's pets,
so they want fire pulling them

546
00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:46,300
apart while they're still alive,
he was also a well-known

547
00:36:46,300 --> 00:36:51,200
peeping, Tom.
Tom, he would walk by people's

548
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,300
windows and look inside.
He was specifically looking for

549
00:36:54,300 --> 00:36:58,300
women.
He would also walk into people's

550
00:36:58,300 --> 00:37:02,200
backyards.
And touch their underwear.

551
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,300
Specifically, women's underwear
a Woman by the name of Sandy.

552
00:37:08,300 --> 00:37:12,100
Holt says that when they were
teenagers he attacked her, he's

553
00:37:12,100 --> 00:37:15,800
straight-up walked up to her.
Grabbed her t-shirt and was

554
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,000
like, come on little sister.
I want to show you something and

555
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,200
Sandy was like, no, and he
straight up like was like, no,

556
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,400
you're going with me and he
tried to drag her away, Sadie's,

557
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,300
brother was like coming up the
block and saw this.

558
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,800
Took off chasing him, jumped on
his back, knocked him on the

559
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,800
ground and just started whooping
his ass as you should as he

560
00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:41,400
deserved a brother was like,
listen, don't you ever put your

561
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,800
hands on my sister ever again
I'll fuck you up again.

562
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,400
Unfortunately, on top of the
gross Behavior as a teenager.

563
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,400
Once he was caught and convicted
and on death row, he started

564
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,800
talking to the media and in 1986
he began talking hypothetically

565
00:37:59,100 --> 00:38:01,600
about his first murder.
ER, and how it happened when he

566
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,100
was a teen, and how he took a
child out of her home, took her

567
00:38:05,100 --> 00:38:08,100
into the orchard near her home,
molested her, and then left her

568
00:38:08,100 --> 00:38:09,800
in a ditch.
Come on.

569
00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:16,200
So of course Ann's mother saw
this her name was Bev and she

570
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:23,200
wrote to him and the article,
the letter is something she just

571
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,000
straight-up was like, I feel
like your first murder was my

572
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,000
Anne-Marie, burn the bench from
the backyard was used to climb

573
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,400
into living room, the orchard
next door.

574
00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:33,700
Was a dark setting for murder.
What did you do with her tiny

575
00:38:33,700 --> 00:38:35,400
body?
And she said, like, I figure Viv

576
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,800
you Bev's.
Letter is pretty much.

577
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,500
At this point like I know you're
talking about stuff because you

578
00:38:41,500 --> 00:38:44,700
want the appeals to go through
the appeals, aren't going to

579
00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:48,300
happen, you're gonna die, you've
got nothing left to lose,

580
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:53,500
confess your sins to me.
And God Of course, face was

581
00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:57,900
being honest, he denies it.
And he sends her a letter

582
00:38:57,900 --> 00:39:00,300
saying.
At the time I was a normal 14

583
00:39:00,300 --> 00:39:02,200
year.
Old boy, I did not wander the

584
00:39:02,207 --> 00:39:04,900
streets late at night and I did
not steal cars.

585
00:39:04,900 --> 00:39:07,100
I had absolutely no desire to
harm.

586
00:39:07,100 --> 00:39:10,900
Anyone, I was just an average
kid and he signed it piece.

587
00:39:10,900 --> 00:39:13,600
Ted!
That is absolutely a lie.

588
00:39:13,700 --> 00:39:17,500
He did wander the streets during
the day and night and he did

589
00:39:17,500 --> 00:39:22,100
steal cars.
And that's confirmed details and

590
00:39:22,100 --> 00:39:24,000
then just a fucking
dismissiveness.

591
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,600
Goddamn, I hate you so much.
Yeah, the piece.

592
00:39:27,700 --> 00:39:31,700
Ted fuck.
So, unfortunately, there wasn't

593
00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:33,400
a whole lot of DNA taken at the
time.

594
00:39:35,100 --> 00:39:38,000
They're trying to like the
police are still trying to see

595
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,900
if anything could be connected
to him and Marie burst case is

596
00:39:42,900 --> 00:39:46,400
still cold but people like
Rebecca Morris who wrote the

597
00:39:46,408 --> 00:39:49,700
book Tad and an the mystery of a
missing child and her neighbor,

598
00:39:49,700 --> 00:39:51,800
Ted Bundy.
They think he was telling the

599
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,900
truth.
He told a lot of Truth before he

600
00:39:54,900 --> 00:39:59,000
died.
So while we don't know, if this

601
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,300
was his first murder, like I
said, we do know that he told

602
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,600
his biographers in prison that
this was also the time that he

603
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:11,200
got interested in sexual
violence just as quickly as he

604
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,100
admitted this to one writer
though, he would then turn

605
00:40:14,100 --> 00:40:18,300
around and it completely deny it
to another.

606
00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:22,700
And one thing that we know about
power and control serial

607
00:40:22,700 --> 00:40:25,600
killers, is that these thoughts
and feelings?

608
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:30,400
Don't arrive randomly, he didn't
just become like 25 and decide

609
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,200
to start sexually assaulting
people.

610
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,700
They start fairly young and they
build over time.

611
00:40:35,300 --> 00:40:40,600
I'm sure it wasn't lost on
anyone listening to Bundy that

612
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:45,000
he was harming animals.
At a young age that hits the

613
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,700
psychopath Triad that we've
talked about many other times.

614
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,300
And I'm referencing the the
psychological breakdown of

615
00:40:53,300 --> 00:40:56,400
serial killers created by John
Douglas and Robert wrestler.

616
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,800
In 1972 Bundy falls into what's
called a power and control.

617
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:06,000
Killer these like these kind of
killers like to exert power and

618
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:10,900
dominance over their victims and
the sexual attacks are a means

619
00:41:10,900 --> 00:41:18,700
of doing that and it's safe to
say that Ted felt very helpless

620
00:41:18,700 --> 00:41:21,400
in regards to has life.
He didn't have the life he

621
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,000
wanted, he felt he deserved more
in terms of financial success

622
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,200
and things.
So, some of these depictions of

623
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,400
sexual violence were ways that
he might have been finding too.

624
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:39,800
Feel powerful, even while he
feels like he has no power like

625
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,900
other things.
He also denies but also admitted

626
00:41:43,900 --> 00:41:47,100
to was when he was in high
school hunting through garbage

627
00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:50,500
cans for pictures and videos of
pornography that people

628
00:41:50,500 --> 00:41:56,100
throughout Also, when I mention
he was a Peeping Tom and women,

629
00:41:56,100 --> 00:41:58,100
the community were already
freaked out about him.

630
00:41:59,300 --> 00:42:03,800
He also broke into a couple
pieces people's houses and he

631
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:09,600
got caught and he also like he
got caught stealing a car when

632
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,100
he was in high school, but it
got expunged from his record

633
00:42:13,100 --> 00:42:16,200
when he turned 18.
Didn't he write in a letter to?

634
00:42:16,207 --> 00:42:18,700
He didn't do any cars.
Yes, indeed, he did.

635
00:42:18,700 --> 00:42:21,000
I told you he was just straight
up lying, okay?

636
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,000
Good to bad burn.
Dude, come on.

637
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,200
Okay, whatever area.
And then the breaking into

638
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:29,600
houses?
Would you break into houses for

639
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,800
just to peep closer?
I think he's trying to steal

640
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,900
porn and anything else you can
find, just go to a store and

641
00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:38,700
still it.
God you weren't allowed to,

642
00:42:39,100 --> 00:42:46,600
well, I got here, okay.
Either way, graduate from high

643
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,100
school, he ends up at the
University of Puget, Sound just

644
00:42:49,100 --> 00:42:51,000
around the corner of his house
for undergrad.

645
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:52,800
He was only there for two
semesters.

646
00:42:53,100 --> 00:42:56,100
He transferred to the University
of Washington for a sophomore

647
00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:59,100
year.
He didn't like the students at

648
00:42:59,100 --> 00:43:02,500
Puget and he didn't like them
because it was a it's actually

649
00:43:02,500 --> 00:43:04,300
like a small liberal arts
college.

650
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:09,200
And you know what that means?
It's expensive and a lot of the

651
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,600
kids who went to that college,
have more money than him.

652
00:43:14,900 --> 00:43:19,500
So he transfers to Washington is
studying Chinese studies.

653
00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:27,000
He might he meets, he's got his,
his first dorm is McMahon Hall

654
00:43:27,700 --> 00:43:29,600
and that's where he meets his
first girlfriend.

655
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:37,200
His first girlfriend has spoken
to people but she has no

656
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:44,200
interest in being known.
So, for our purposes, we'll use

657
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,600
the same name that and roll
used, which is Stephanie Brooks,

658
00:43:47,900 --> 00:43:49,400
but that's not actually her real
name.

659
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,300
She wants not, she wanted
nothing to do with the memory of

660
00:43:53,300 --> 00:43:57,000
Ted Bundy.
The to bond over our love of

661
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,700
skiing and despite him not
liking the wealthy kids of Puget

662
00:44:00,700 --> 00:44:04,200
Sound.
He didn't mind the very smart

663
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:10,100
wealthy and pretty Stephanie.
During this time to kind of Keep

664
00:44:10,100 --> 00:44:12,100
Up Appearances.
He works two jobs.

665
00:44:12,100 --> 00:44:15,300
He volunteers with the
Republican Party, he ended up

666
00:44:15,300 --> 00:44:17,800
working for the office.
That was trying to get Nelson

667
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,300
Rockefeller elected president.
In fact, Stephanie and Todd went

668
00:44:22,300 --> 00:44:25,800
to the 1968, Republican National
Convention and then Stephanie

669
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:30,000
broke up with him. she told an
rule that it was because of his

670
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:38,000
lack of ambition bad grades and
immaturity, hey, He responded to

671
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,000
the loss of his first love by
dropping out of college and

672
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:45,900
leaving Washington.
He stopped in Colorado, visited

673
00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:48,200
family in Arkansas to.
Then he went back to

674
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:52,500
Philadelphia and rolled in
Temple University for a semester

675
00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:55,200
and then moved back to
Washington in 1969.

676
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,500
Many of the psychologist who
evaluated Ted once he was

677
00:45:03,500 --> 00:45:06,900
captured say that this breakup
was the Catalyst in his life.

678
00:45:06,900 --> 00:45:10,000
The thing that caused him to
kill, they relate this to the

679
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,300
fact that Stephanie had long
dark straight hair that she

680
00:45:13,300 --> 00:45:16,500
always were parted in the middle
and several of his victims.

681
00:45:16,500 --> 00:45:20,000
Look like this.
Ted has denied this, he denied

682
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,300
it sit until his death.
Saying that the only thing his

683
00:45:24,300 --> 00:45:30,300
victims need to be for him to
grab them was Active and half of

684
00:45:30,308 --> 00:45:32,000
his victims are blond.
It.

685
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,500
What did you find attractive?
What did you find attractive,

686
00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:36,100
sir?
These blocks.

687
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:40,400
Okay, that looked like your
first low so yes, obviously I

688
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:41,900
don't know, I kind of agree with
that.

689
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,500
I'm I agree with that too.
I think because a couple of them

690
00:45:45,500 --> 00:45:53,200
fit the bill but like he wasn't
always He hits organized, he

691
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:58,000
gets organized and disorganized
but like the first kill was a

692
00:45:58,008 --> 00:46:03,800
blonde girl and if it matters
that much in the beginning they

693
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,100
would have all been brunettes.
Hmm.

694
00:46:08,300 --> 00:46:11,300
So my just been a coincidence.
Yeah I think it was a good event

695
00:46:11,300 --> 00:46:17,500
a coincidence that we've created
this connection here. but, Back

696
00:46:17,500 --> 00:46:22,800
in Washington, 1969, he's 23.
He gets into a relationship with

697
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,700
a lady by the name of Liz
klopfer.

698
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,300
She works as a secretary at the
University of Washington School

699
00:46:28,300 --> 00:46:30,400
of Medicine.
She was divorced, she had a

700
00:46:30,408 --> 00:46:32,800
daughter.
They met at a bar and Liz

701
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,700
originally rejected him when he
asked her to dance, but

702
00:46:35,700 --> 00:46:38,400
eventually they had a
conversation and she realized

703
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,300
she liked him even if he was a
bad dancer.

704
00:46:43,300 --> 00:46:45,400
The relationship was hot and
heavy from the start.

705
00:46:46,500 --> 00:46:48,300
She said she loved him right
away.

706
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,500
And just like Stephanie she
encouraged him to do better for

707
00:46:51,500 --> 00:46:56,500
himself only this time.
He actually tried he re-enrolled

708
00:46:56,500 --> 00:47:01,300
in college in 1970 this time
majoring in Psychology and by

709
00:47:01,300 --> 00:47:03,100
all accounts he was a very good
student.

710
00:47:04,900 --> 00:47:07,100
This is when he also began
volunteering at the Seattle

711
00:47:07,100 --> 00:47:09,900
Suicide Hotline Crisis Center on
Capitol Hill.

712
00:47:10,900 --> 00:47:14,000
This gave him credits toward his
degree and If we're honest, it

713
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,600
also allowed him to feel like he
was in control of people's

714
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,300
lives.
So it gave him a little bit of

715
00:47:20,300 --> 00:47:23,900
that boost that he wanted.
At least for a time.

716
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:28,700
It was a safe Outlet, not the
crisis center, that's where he

717
00:47:28,700 --> 00:47:30,900
met and became friends with an
rule.

718
00:47:31,100 --> 00:47:34,600
She was a former police officer
turned crime reporter and of

719
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,300
course.
And it know that her new friend

720
00:47:36,300 --> 00:47:40,500
was going to start killing
people pretty soon and getting a

721
00:47:40,508 --> 00:47:45,600
little bit ahead of myself.
Tech graduates with his degree

722
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,700
in Psychology in 1972.
He starts working for the

723
00:47:48,700 --> 00:47:52,000
Washington governor, Daniel
Evans during his re-election

724
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:58,200
campaign.
Do you know how he made himself

725
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,900
useful?
Wow.

726
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:06,000
He would pretend to be a college
student and then go and

727
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,800
volunteer at the opponent's
office, learn like the talking

728
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,200
points and secrets and then turn
those over to the governor.

729
00:48:15,900 --> 00:48:21,900
So, he was a mole.
Highly unethical mmm-hmm, but

730
00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:25,600
the chairman of the Republican
party in Washington thought,

731
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:30,600
this was impressive and hired a
Ted to become his assistant, of

732
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,900
course, of course.
They would, of course not.

733
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,900
Well, he had goals of being a
lawyer, but he had awful test

734
00:48:37,900 --> 00:48:41,400
scores.
But with his very new and

735
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:45,700
Powerful friends who sent
recommendation letters to him,

736
00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:49,700
he entered the Puget Sound law
program and he starts Law School

737
00:48:49,700 --> 00:48:54,700
in 1973.
Now, back in Tacoma, he hooks up

738
00:48:54,700 --> 00:48:58,200
with Stephanie again.
Stephanie had graduated and

739
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,600
moved to California.
So he's maintaining these two

740
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:05,400
long distance relationships.
Stephen he's like, well, dang,

741
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,100
you actually made something out
of yourself.

742
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:12,200
We can date.
He doesn't break up with Liz.

743
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:22,500
He leaves Liz in and he even
introduces people that Stephanie

744
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:27,000
as his fiancee.
Oh my God everything's going

745
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,000
great.
And then he goes to her and the

746
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:34,300
fall of 1974.
She said she called him for a

747
00:49:34,300 --> 00:49:40,100
month and he picked up one time
to Gaslight the ever living crap

748
00:49:40,100 --> 00:49:42,700
out of her.
By saying, what are you talking

749
00:49:42,700 --> 00:49:46,700
about?
We haven't dated since 6 1968,

750
00:49:49,900 --> 00:49:53,000
Stephanie just chalked it up to
him, trying to get revenge from

751
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,800
undergrad and moved on with her
life.

752
00:49:55,100 --> 00:49:56,100
Okay?
I would.

753
00:49:56,300 --> 00:50:00,700
Yeah.
Yeah, but I did 74.

754
00:50:00,700 --> 00:50:03,600
He's working for the Washington
State Department of Emergency

755
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,800
Services.
He becomes friends with a lady

756
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:10,100
named Carol and Bun which was
platonic at first, but Carol

757
00:50:10,100 --> 00:50:14,900
would become his wife
eventually, but that comes a lot

758
00:50:14,900 --> 00:50:22,800
later. 1974 is when everything
changes he's Ultra Moody

759
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,100
erratic.
First time, he's violent toward

760
00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:27,800
his girlfriend Liz and
Washington.

761
00:50:28,300 --> 00:50:33,100
Their relationship had always
been Rocky like they would break

762
00:50:33,100 --> 00:50:36,000
up and then he would be like no,
no, no, I was wrong.

763
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,400
In fact, once they even got a
marriage license at the

764
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:43,000
courthouse in 1970, but she
hadn't told her parents that the

765
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,800
two of them were living together
yet.

766
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,100
And so her family came to visit.
Visit one time and she was like,

767
00:50:47,100 --> 00:50:49,100
Hey, can you move all your stuff
back to your apartment while

768
00:50:49,100 --> 00:50:51,700
they're here?
And he got really mad and he

769
00:50:51,700 --> 00:50:56,300
tore up the marriage license
because back then you know

770
00:50:56,300 --> 00:50:58,400
you're not supposed to live
together until you're actually

771
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,700
married.
Okay.

772
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,200
Okay.
Things like that happen all the

773
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:10,200
time, he wasn't violent with her
until 1974 and later that year

774
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:17,000
would be when she began to think
that he was the man killing the

775
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:21,400
college girls.
He would get really weird when

776
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,100
she'd asked him.
Why is there a meat cleaver in

777
00:51:24,100 --> 00:51:26,400
your desk?
Why are you carrying surgical

778
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:31,500
gloves in your code every day?
These aren't these aren't signs

779
00:51:31,500 --> 00:51:35,000
to let me know.
She she she she did she did.

780
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:39,400
Yeah, yeah she would go on to
report him in July of 1974 and

781
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:46,200
again in 75 but um well it all
start the, the starts in January

782
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,900
and I'm going to let you know,
her people, listening there is a

783
00:51:49,900 --> 00:51:54,900
murder a month.
For the next solid year.

784
00:51:55,100 --> 00:51:57,800
Sometimes more than once in a
day.

785
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,400
We're going to go through those
now, this is probably the

786
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:06,700
lengthy is section of here.
This is just 1974 and it's real

787
00:52:06,700 --> 00:52:11,200
long.
So Ted did his best to lie and

788
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,100
Confused cops about when his
first murders began.

789
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,600
You know, he was always trying
to like really pissed them off

790
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,800
and just not be honest about
what he was doing.

791
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,500
But one thing we do know is
January, 4th, 1974 and

792
00:52:24,500 --> 00:52:27,500
Washington.
Oregon Karen Sparks who

793
00:52:27,500 --> 00:52:29,000
sometimes goes by the name,
Johnny Lee.

794
00:52:29,100 --> 00:52:31,500
Ends now was attacked in her
bed.

795
00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:33,700
She was 18 years old.
She was a student at the

796
00:52:33,707 --> 00:52:38,100
University of Washington.
She lived in a basement bedroom

797
00:52:38,100 --> 00:52:41,000
and she had three male roommates
who lived upstairs?

798
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:48,300
And Ted Bundy climbed into her
bedroom and be her with a metal

799
00:52:48,300 --> 00:52:52,300
rod and then use that Rod to
sexually assault her.

800
00:52:54,300 --> 00:53:00,200
It was a very violent and
traumatic sexual assault it.

801
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,900
Ruptured her bladder, she
believes that the only reason he

802
00:53:03,900 --> 00:53:08,300
didn't kill her is because Her
roommate started moving around

803
00:53:08,300 --> 00:53:13,800
upstairs, and he got spooked.
And he ran away, she was left

804
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:20,400
unconscious and bleeding and her
roommates checked in on her, in

805
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:26,100
the morning, and found her.
Karen remembers that at like

806
00:53:26,100 --> 00:53:29,500
1:00 in the morning.
She remembers like, you know,

807
00:53:29,500 --> 00:53:32,600
you kind of look at a window and
you see something real fast and

808
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,000
then you look again and it's
gone?

809
00:53:34,100 --> 00:53:36,300
Yeah, yeah.
She thought she saw somebody

810
00:53:36,300 --> 00:53:37,800
looking her window at about 1
a.m.

811
00:53:40,300 --> 00:53:43,300
She was just like, no, I
imagined it, that was him.

812
00:53:43,500 --> 00:53:45,400
And in fact he had been watching
her for days.

813
00:53:46,700 --> 00:53:49,300
He had he saw her at a
laundromat.

814
00:53:50,500 --> 00:53:55,600
And more than likely followed
her, her her bedroom in the

815
00:53:55,600 --> 00:54:02,600
basement was convenient for him.
and again, like I said, Karen

816
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,400
was a blonde girl.
Now, his first murder.

817
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,500
We know came a month later in
February, her name was Linda and

818
00:54:08,500 --> 00:54:10,500
Healy.
She was studying psychology at

819
00:54:10,500 --> 00:54:13,200
the University of Washington.
Her goal was to work with

820
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,500
students with disabilities.
And she worked for the school's

821
00:54:15,500 --> 00:54:20,300
whether like the radio station
as the weather reporter in 1974.

822
00:54:20,300 --> 00:54:23,500
She was a senior and she moved
into a house with her friends.

823
00:54:23,500 --> 00:54:26,100
And she usually woke up before
everybody else, because she had

824
00:54:26,100 --> 00:54:32,200
to go to the radio job.
The last time she was seen, Was

825
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:36,000
on January 31st when she stopped
by one of her roommates rooms at

826
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,100
about 11:30 p.m. just to talk
the next morning, she wasn't in

827
00:54:40,100 --> 00:54:43,800
her room.
When her alarm went off at 5:30,

828
00:54:44,700 --> 00:54:47,100
that's when her roommates went
to turn the alarm off.

829
00:54:47,100 --> 00:54:51,400
And saw she wasn't there, and
then Linda's boss called shortly

830
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,800
after.
And was like, she never showed

831
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,600
up for work.
And she also missed a family

832
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:01,900
dinner and her mom from Seattle
called looking for her.

833
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,700
That was the point when her
roommates went like into her

834
00:55:06,700 --> 00:55:09,900
room to look because before they
were just like, oh we're not

835
00:55:09,900 --> 00:55:11,600
going to mess with it.
Like the only thing somebody did

836
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,600
was just walk in, turn the alarm
off and leave.

837
00:55:16,700 --> 00:55:19,500
This time when they went in,
they saw that some of her sheets

838
00:55:19,500 --> 00:55:24,000
were missing and the ones that
were on the bed still like some

839
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,700
of them had little specks of
blood on them.

840
00:55:26,100 --> 00:55:28,900
It appears that he tried to
remove most of it though.

841
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,500
They called the police.
There was no evidence.

842
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:41,200
In 1978, Ted admitted that he
lie was his first victim.

843
00:55:41,500 --> 00:55:44,700
Her skull was found at the
Taylor Mountain dump site.

844
00:55:45,900 --> 00:55:47,700
She was more than likely
bludgeoned to death.

845
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,700
Now, his next victim was Donna
Gil, Manson.

846
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:58,200
She was 19 and he didn't admit
this murder until days before he

847
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:03,700
was executed in 89.
She went to Evergreen State

848
00:56:03,700 --> 00:56:05,800
College.
She lived in Olympia Washington,

849
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,100
she left her home for a jazz
concert on March 12.

850
00:56:09,500 --> 00:56:15,100
Never seen again, Ted admitted
that it was in March that he

851
00:56:15,100 --> 00:56:18,500
perfected his ruse.
He was working at a medical

852
00:56:18,500 --> 00:56:21,900
supply company and he'd steal
supplies and pretend to be

853
00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:24,100
injured.
He would wear a cast who had

854
00:56:24,100 --> 00:56:26,600
walk on crutches, he had an arm
sling.

855
00:56:28,500 --> 00:56:32,100
He asked someone walking home to
help him to his car and once you

856
00:56:32,100 --> 00:56:34,700
got close enough to his car he
would abduct you.

857
00:56:34,900 --> 00:56:37,700
Hmm.
Ted told reporters that he left

858
00:56:37,700 --> 00:56:40,400
Donna at the Taylor Mountain
dump site but her remains were

859
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:44,500
never recovered.
It's believed that the Pierce

860
00:56:44,500 --> 00:56:47,900
County Sheriff's Office,
actually had those remains in

861
00:56:47,900 --> 00:56:53,800
1978 when two fishermen found a
human skull and bones hair and a

862
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:58,700
shirt and the foothills of Mount
Rainer, But 19th, they were

863
00:56:58,700 --> 00:57:01,800
never tested and those remains
were lost.

864
00:57:05,900 --> 00:57:09,100
It's believed the police didn't
take this missing persons report

865
00:57:09,100 --> 00:57:14,400
seriously because Donna is, what
was what police wanted to refer

866
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:19,200
to as high risk?
I don't like this terminology

867
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:20,800
but I'll explain to you what it
is.

868
00:57:20,900 --> 00:57:24,500
Okay?
So high-risk victims are people

869
00:57:24,500 --> 00:57:31,600
that the police think are more
at risk for violence because

870
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,900
they hang out around criminals
or crib the criminal element.

871
00:57:35,100 --> 00:57:40,000
Sometimes that means that you're
doing drugs in the 70s, Donna

872
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,200
might have been the kind of girl
to stay out late.

873
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,300
She wasn't a good girl.
I see what you mean.

874
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,900
Yeah.
So then we have the opposite of

875
00:57:47,900 --> 00:57:52,500
that which are low-risk victims.
I'm sure you can imagine that.

876
00:57:53,900 --> 00:57:56,600
People didn't start making
connections until a couple of

877
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,600
low-risk victims were murdered
by 10.

878
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,900
April brings The Disappearance
of Susan Elaine Rancourt on

879
00:58:05,900 --> 00:58:10,200
April 17th. 1974 she was 18.
College student Central,

880
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,900
Washington State College, in
Ellensburg, that night, she had

881
00:58:13,900 --> 00:58:16,700
gone to a meeting for students
who are interested in being dorm

882
00:58:16,700 --> 00:58:19,800
counselors.
Next semester and somewhere

883
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,300
between that meeting room on
campus and going back to her

884
00:58:23,300 --> 00:58:27,700
dorm room disappeared.
People knew something was wrong

885
00:58:27,700 --> 00:58:31,000
because Susan was never late.
She never missed appointments

886
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:33,900
the night of the meeting.
She had put laundry in the dorm

887
00:58:33,900 --> 00:58:37,000
washing machine with the
intention that when she got back

888
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:38,600
from her meeting, she was going
to finish it.

889
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,300
So the fact that her laundry was
still, there was also assigned

890
00:58:43,300 --> 00:58:44,900
to people that something was
off.

891
00:58:49,700 --> 00:58:55,500
Sorry, it's okay.
Shortly after her disappearance,

892
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:59,200
other girls on campus reported,
there was an older man with his

893
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,200
arm in a sling who kept asking
them to help.

894
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,100
Carry his books.
Back to his car.

895
00:59:04,700 --> 00:59:07,000
That car was at an Volkswagen
Beetle.

896
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:12,100
Same car that Ted Bundy drove
was this like an everyday thing

897
00:59:12,100 --> 00:59:14,800
that he would ask these seven
girls know.

898
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,800
This was this day.
Oh okay.

899
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,100
Oh another student named
Kathleen.

900
00:59:19,100 --> 00:59:23,500
Da Laveau told the police that
she had helped the man Same

901
00:59:23,500 --> 00:59:27,400
night that Susan disappeared but
he gave her a weird vibe and he

902
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,800
was kind of disheveled.
So like legitimately as soon as

903
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,700
she they got to the car, she
like dumped his book goes on the

904
00:59:33,700 --> 00:59:36,900
hood and like walked off.
So she didn't get close enough

905
00:59:36,900 --> 00:59:41,100
to the the passenger or the the
doors essentially for him to be

906
00:59:41,100 --> 00:59:43,100
able to grab her and pull her
in, right?

907
00:59:43,700 --> 00:59:45,500
There's another woman named Jane
Curtis.

908
00:59:45,700 --> 00:59:48,800
She reported that the same thing
happened to her three days

909
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,100
earlier.
Only he had opened the car door

910
00:59:51,100 --> 00:59:53,000
and told her to get inside and
she just ran away.

911
00:59:53,100 --> 00:59:57,700
From him, smart.
Just like, with Donna, he

912
00:59:57,700 --> 01:00:00,600
admitted this killing days
before he was executed, her

913
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,200
skull was recovered at the
Taylor Mountain dump site.

914
01:00:04,700 --> 01:00:06,800
Now, like I said, police were
aware of the disappearances on

915
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:10,800
campus, there was no physical
evidence, and if you're

916
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:16,800
listening, these locations are
like, 50, 60 miles apart.

917
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:21,100
This is a very like this is him
being an organized killer, very

918
01:00:21,100 --> 01:00:25,800
calculated specifically going to
different locations because it

919
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,000
puts him in different police
jurisdictions.

920
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:33,600
And even in 2022, cops don't
always like working with each

921
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:41,900
other.
Now, Liz club for was like, he's

922
01:00:41,900 --> 01:00:45,400
spent a lot of time out at night
and he keeps coming home later

923
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:49,500
and later and the News begins
running information on how

924
01:00:49,500 --> 01:00:51,900
collagen college girls can
protect themselves.

925
01:00:51,900 --> 01:00:55,500
If they have to be out at night,
a lot of people are cautious.

926
01:00:56,000 --> 01:01:00,000
Another girl goes missing, May
6, 1974 Roberta Kathleen Parks,

927
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,900
she's a student at Oregon State
University and she leaves her

928
01:01:02,900 --> 01:01:07,800
dorm just to get a drink from
the Union just after eleven like

929
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:11,200
it's, we're talking a couple
minute, walk a friend.

930
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:15,400
Even saw her walking toward the
cafeteria and they like stopped

931
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:19,600
for a second, you know, had a
little chitchat and then she

932
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,200
went into the building, she
never made it back to her dorm

933
01:01:23,500 --> 01:01:28,100
This was 250 miles away from the
other crimes.

934
01:01:30,300 --> 01:01:35,000
Her skull was also found at
Taylor mountain and he admitted

935
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,900
this murder the night before his
execution.

936
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:45,100
May 31st Brenda Carol bell is
out drinking at the flame.

937
01:01:45,100 --> 01:01:48,300
Tavern in Burien Washington she
goes missing.

938
01:01:48,700 --> 01:01:51,800
Brenda was actually unenrolled
from college and kind of lost on

939
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,900
her path.
You know, she's taking some time

940
01:01:53,900 --> 01:01:56,100
off to figure out where she
wanted to be.

941
01:01:56,100 --> 01:02:00,100
When she grew up, you know, she
ended up ask like telling her

942
01:02:00,100 --> 01:02:02,100
friend.
She wanted to go home and her

943
01:02:02,100 --> 01:02:05,000
friends were like, no, we're
staying.

944
01:02:06,100 --> 01:02:09,400
So she decided she was probably
going to hitchhike home.

945
01:02:10,100 --> 01:02:12,500
Witnesses saw her talking to a
man in a parking lot.

946
01:02:12,500 --> 01:02:14,900
At two am, his arm was in a
sling.

947
01:02:16,300 --> 01:02:19,700
Similarly to Donna before the
police didn't really see her

948
01:02:19,700 --> 01:02:22,000
cases.
Very urgent because she was a

949
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,500
College Dropout who like to
drink late at night.

950
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,600
She in fact, wasn't officially
reported missing until June

951
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:31,900
17th.
Two weeks after she was already

952
01:02:31,900 --> 01:02:36,800
long gone and just love how they
categorize these.

953
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:41,900
These women are going this and
now it's really annoying awful.

954
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:47,100
It's really hmm.
Well, he speed things up a

955
01:02:47,100 --> 01:02:49,300
little bit.
There's not a month in between

956
01:02:49,300 --> 01:02:53,000
this, there's like two weeks
Georgian Hawkins, she was 18

957
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,300
years old and that was the end
of her first year at the

958
01:02:55,300 --> 01:02:59,000
University of Washington.
She left a fraternity party.

959
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,300
So, she could go study for a
Spanish test.

960
01:03:01,500 --> 01:03:04,300
One of her friends, saw her
walking on the street from her

961
01:03:04,300 --> 01:03:08,000
dorm room, and he was like, Hey,
and so, she stopped and they

962
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:09,800
kind of talked to the window for
a little bit.

963
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,900
Dwayne remembered hearing a man,
laughing from a nearby alley

964
01:03:13,900 --> 01:03:15,800
way.
He just assumed it was was a

965
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:19,100
drunk person.
Ted would confirm days before

966
01:03:19,100 --> 01:03:21,400
his execution that he was the
man in the alley.

967
01:03:21,700 --> 01:03:24,000
He coerced Georgian into the
alley by pretending.

968
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,700
He had a broken leg and was
hobbling on crutches as soon as

969
01:03:27,700 --> 01:03:30,400
she got close to him, he hit her
over the head with a crowbar.

970
01:03:30,700 --> 01:03:34,100
Dragged her into his car.
Her remains were found at what

971
01:03:34,100 --> 01:03:37,100
is referred to as the Issaquah
site and 1975.

972
01:03:37,100 --> 01:03:38,700
Which is not that far from
Taylor Mountain.

973
01:03:38,700 --> 01:03:43,400
But the Seattle PD actually did
try and do a thorough

974
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:47,100
investigation they went through.
The entire area, where Duane it

975
01:03:47,100 --> 01:03:49,800
last seen her checking that
alley, but they got no evidence

976
01:03:50,100 --> 01:03:52,100
Witnesses.
Remember a man with crutches

977
01:03:52,100 --> 01:03:56,500
asking for help and of course he
was seen.

978
01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:02,600
And the tan Volkswagen was seen
to July is a big month.

979
01:04:03,700 --> 01:04:06,700
This is the month that Liz
realizes something's very wrong.

980
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,800
It's also the money the same
time that he abducted two women

981
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:13,800
on the same day.
This is what psychiatrist and

982
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,200
others who study cereals called
serial killers, or call an

983
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:18,500
escalation.
And generally when there's an

984
01:04:18,500 --> 01:04:20,800
escalation, it means that the
Killer's losing control.

985
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:24,200
I'm not sure that we can say
that he was losing control, but

986
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:29,400
he definitely is fine.
Tuning, his his Mo finding more

987
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,800
efficient lies to get women to
come with him.

988
01:04:32,500 --> 01:04:36,100
So, he's kind of like, pushing
his, I'd say he's not losing

989
01:04:36,100 --> 01:04:38,800
control but he's like, pushing.
He knows what he's doing now.

990
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:41,500
So he's like, maybe I can do
more this time in.

991
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,000
See how he would get away with
this time.

992
01:04:44,300 --> 01:04:47,800
Okay, okay, Essie Essie Essie.
Unfortunately, when the actual

993
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:49,600
Diva Lucien happens, that'll be
it.

994
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:51,200
That's already, I already wrote
part of that.

995
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:54,800
That's in Mexico.
Comcast, it's real bad.

996
01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:02,600
Like Ted Bundy in control.
Pretty bad out of control,

997
01:05:03,300 --> 01:05:08,300
awful.
But he would, you like you said

998
01:05:08,300 --> 01:05:09,800
he was more, he was getting more
Bolder.

999
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:11,900
This is the first time he
kidnaps anybody during the

1000
01:05:11,900 --> 01:05:15,500
daytime, this day is July, July
14.

1001
01:05:15,900 --> 01:05:18,600
Both of these disappearance
happened at the Lake Sammamish

1002
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:21,500
State Park.
His first victim, was 23,

1003
01:05:21,500 --> 01:05:25,000
year-old Janice Ott.
The state park is in Issaquah,

1004
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,200
and it's about 20 miles east of
Seattle.

1005
01:05:27,700 --> 01:05:31,900
There's a beach by the lake, and
it was like a nice bright Sunday

1006
01:05:31,900 --> 01:05:34,200
at the beach.
He was there wearing an

1007
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:36,700
all-white tennis outfit with his
arm in a sling.

1008
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:41,900
That day, at least five women
reported This creepy guy,

1009
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:45,500
approaching them with his arm in
a sling and asking for help

1010
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:50,500
unhitching, his boat.
Now, one of those women was a

1011
01:05:50,508 --> 01:05:53,700
woman named, Janice Graham, and
she actually walked with him to

1012
01:05:53,700 --> 01:05:58,300
the parking lot, and then she
saw that his boat wasn't there

1013
01:05:58,900 --> 01:06:02,500
and she turned around and walked
away from him as you should.

1014
01:06:02,900 --> 01:06:04,200
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.

1015
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:05,100
I got it.
I'm sorry.

1016
01:06:05,100 --> 01:06:09,500
Hold on, hold on.
You have your arm in a sling.

1017
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:11,300
How are you going to use your
boat sir?

1018
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,200
I know, I thought that too.
I was like, buddy.

1019
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:18,200
That's a really weird Ruth.
But unfortunately for Janice Ott

1020
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,700
She's a probation officer had
just gotten married.

1021
01:06:22,300 --> 01:06:26,400
She was at the lake lying down
reading a book and a witness

1022
01:06:27,900 --> 01:06:32,400
named Sylvia can't who is 15?
Told the police that she heard

1023
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:38,000
the conversation between Ted and
and Janice, she's still as

1024
01:06:38,300 --> 01:06:42,000
Sylvia said that she heard him
introduce himself is Ted and

1025
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:45,200
then he need help attaching his
sailboat to his car, which was

1026
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:47,900
at his parents house just down
the road.

1027
01:06:49,500 --> 01:06:52,300
Janice agreed to help him, she
was never seen again.

1028
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:57,100
Four hours later he returns to
the lake, which is now even

1029
01:06:57,100 --> 01:06:59,900
busier there.
He zeroes in on 19 year old

1030
01:06:59,900 --> 01:07:03,800
computer programmer, Denise Rich
Marine asselin, she's there with

1031
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:05,600
her boyfriend and a couple of
her friends.

1032
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,000
The group's all sitting around
drinking having a good time.

1033
01:07:08,100 --> 01:07:12,200
Everyone got a little buzzed and
kind of fell asleep at that

1034
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:15,400
point, Denise walked off
probably to use the bathroom,

1035
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:18,500
but she never came back.
No one saw her, leave the area

1036
01:07:18,500 --> 01:07:22,000
and no one saw her.
Again, the group woke up and

1037
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:23,600
they looked for her, they
couldn't and find her.

1038
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,100
Her car was in the parking lot.
Her purse was still there.

1039
01:07:26,100 --> 01:07:27,800
Her wallet was still inside of
it.

1040
01:07:29,500 --> 01:07:31,800
Denise's.
Boyfriend bless his heart calls

1041
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:33,600
her parents before he calls the
cops.

1042
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:38,200
In fact, he calls like her mom
and it's like, oh my God, Denise

1043
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:44,200
is missing and Denise's parents
call the police mhm, both Janice

1044
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:47,500
and Denise were found a year
later at the Issaquah dump site

1045
01:07:48,500 --> 01:07:51,100
but this was the first time the
police had any kind of elite.

1046
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:55,700
He used his real name.
Someone heard, you know, Saul

1047
01:07:55,700 --> 01:07:59,600
you heard that the car was using
And now the police were pretty

1048
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:02,700
sure that these disappearances
were linked to the mysterious

1049
01:08:02,700 --> 01:08:07,900
and Ted in the tan Volkswagen.
She got a car named nice.

1050
01:08:08,300 --> 01:08:10,500
Well, and now there's enough
Witnesses who were able to give

1051
01:08:10,500 --> 01:08:13,900
King County Police more evidence
for a comp a composite because

1052
01:08:13,900 --> 01:08:16,700
normally people were only seeing
him at night time.

1053
01:08:19,300 --> 01:08:22,300
This, this sketch was put
everywhere and Regional news

1054
01:08:22,399 --> 01:08:25,700
every newspaper.
Now this case falls on the lap

1055
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:29,300
of Robert capital and if you are
a dutiful listener to the

1056
01:08:29,300 --> 01:08:32,000
podcast, you're going to
remember that.

1057
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,800
Robert couple one, he's kind of
a serial killer Rockstar.

1058
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:37,399
He's considered at this point,
but he also was one of the

1059
01:08:37,407 --> 01:08:42,800
Consultants on the Green River.
Killer task force But in 74,

1060
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:51,000
capitals of rookie investigator.
and actually, he makes a You

1061
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:56,700
know, he decides with this is a
serial killer and we need to let

1062
01:08:56,700 --> 01:08:59,100
King County know that there's a
serial killer around.

1063
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:03,100
That was a personally, I think
that was a very smart decision.

1064
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:10,100
So the problem is, when he
informed King County that

1065
01:09:10,100 --> 01:09:13,000
there's a serial killer in their
midst, they were getting

1066
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:19,000
roughly. 200 tips a day Wow,
those tips.

1067
01:09:20,300 --> 01:09:24,800
Liz, klopfer called in.
I think my boyfriend is the

1068
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:29,000
person you're showing on the TV
and Rule calls in.

1069
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:33,700
I think the man you're looking
for is someone, I used to work

1070
01:09:33,700 --> 01:09:39,800
with one of Ted's professors
like psychology professors calls

1071
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:43,500
it.
All of those tips were lost in

1072
01:09:43,500 --> 01:09:46,100
the gigantic flow of information
coming in.

1073
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:50,899
Eventually, the police would end
up using an old payroll computer

1074
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:55,600
which allowed them to input
data, and they weren't able to

1075
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,200
see eventually that multiple
people reported him.

1076
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,600
But there was still no physical
evidence linking him to the

1077
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:07,200
crimes.
He slows down after his face is

1078
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:11,300
all over, Seattle moves to
Olympia in August of 1974.

1079
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:14,700
He and Liz are on the Rocks.
He continues to write her

1080
01:10:14,700 --> 01:10:16,500
letters telling her that he
loves her.

1081
01:10:16,500 --> 01:10:21,400
So this kind of keeps a torch
for her years later when he was

1082
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:24,700
on death row, he called please
and he admitted to trying to

1083
01:10:24,700 --> 01:10:27,000
kill her one night before he
moved to Olympia.

1084
01:10:27,100 --> 01:10:30,100
Oh my God.
Started a fire in the fireplace

1085
01:10:31,100 --> 01:10:38,300
and I guess they had been having
some drinks and He put a like,

1086
01:10:38,300 --> 01:10:44,100
you put a rag, like, a wet rag
under the door and he closed the

1087
01:10:44,100 --> 01:10:47,200
fireplace flue.
And let's just says he remembers

1088
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:49,300
waking up, and she couldn't
breathe.

1089
01:10:49,300 --> 01:10:52,100
She opened a window and she put
the fire out.

1090
01:10:52,700 --> 01:10:58,700
She thought it was a mistake.
But Ted said that he felt the

1091
01:10:58,700 --> 01:11:01,300
need to kill overwhelmingly and
he tried really hard not to hurt

1092
01:11:01,300 --> 01:11:03,200
her.
Liz dad.

1093
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:05,000
That was probably the only time
that happened.

1094
01:11:06,500 --> 01:11:10,800
Strangely enough Ted said that
he really loved her and the love

1095
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,500
that he had for her was
destabilizing.

1096
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:17,200
That was his exact word, which I
think is really interesting

1097
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:21,700
because perhaps, if he had may
be focused on the love thing and

1098
01:11:21,700 --> 01:11:25,100
not, you know, those feelings
instead of the homicidal

1099
01:11:25,100 --> 01:11:28,100
feelings, maybe things would
have ended differently for a lot

1100
01:11:28,100 --> 01:11:30,700
of people, but instead he ran
away to Utah.

1101
01:11:32,500 --> 01:11:35,100
Now, he told everyone that knew
him through work.

1102
01:11:35,300 --> 01:11:38,600
He was leaving because he didn't
enjoy studying law at the

1103
01:11:38,608 --> 01:11:41,600
University of Puget Sound.
He told Lance he was going to

1104
01:11:41,608 --> 01:11:45,000
finish his program at the
University of Utah and he drove

1105
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:48,400
there on September 2nd just
before his execution.

1106
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:52,100
He told the police he was
driving through Boise, Idaho, he

1107
01:11:52,100 --> 01:11:54,000
picked up a th haircut
hitchhiker.

1108
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:58,300
She said she was like 16 or 18.
He said he raped and dumped her

1109
01:11:59,100 --> 01:12:01,700
but investigators don't believe
this.

1110
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:06,400
Is true.
Because that doesn't line up

1111
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:12,800
with missing women, in the area
at the time and he knew details

1112
01:12:13,100 --> 01:12:15,400
when he would tell them about
other crimes.

1113
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,000
So this one where he's just
like, yeah, picked up some

1114
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:19,700
random, girl.
I remember what she looks like

1115
01:12:19,700 --> 01:12:21,500
and I dropped her in some random
place.

1116
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,600
I don't remember where like that
doesn't fit anything.

1117
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:27,300
Because so far, all of his
victims were two different dump

1118
01:12:27,300 --> 01:12:32,500
sites, they were special to him.
He didn't he didn't stop back

1119
01:12:32,500 --> 01:12:38,900
to, Assault them like Ridgeway
did but he did go back.

1120
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:44,300
It was could be near them,
always go back.

1121
01:12:45,500 --> 01:12:51,600
These kinds, yeah.
So the police decided that he

1122
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,600
made this up to try and push
back his execution, he started

1123
01:12:55,600 --> 01:13:00,100
dropping lots of names and
information to try and push the

1124
01:13:00,100 --> 01:13:04,800
execution back, but he pretended
to work on his law degree.

1125
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,500
But instead he embarked on a
six-week killing spring,

1126
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:14,000
starting in October 16th of 1974
in Utah, his first victim is

1127
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:17,300
Nancy Wilcox.
It's October 2nd, she's a high

1128
01:13:17,300 --> 01:13:20,600
school cheerleader, who lived in
Holiday, Day, which is a small

1129
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:23,700
like Suburban town outside of
Salt Lake City.

1130
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:27,300
He didn't even use a ruse this
time, he just straight up pulls

1131
01:13:27,300 --> 01:13:32,900
a knife on her walks and he
drags her into an orchard.

1132
01:13:33,100 --> 01:13:35,400
He told the police that he
actually didn't intend to kill

1133
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:41,800
her just rape her but Nancy
fought back, real hard and he

1134
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:45,000
said that he had to choke her to
death and this was the first

1135
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:49,200
time that he had to rape her
rape someone after they were

1136
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:52,900
dead.
You see happy.

1137
01:13:53,700 --> 01:13:58,500
So he he very much in this
situation, he wanted to exert

1138
01:13:58,500 --> 01:14:01,800
his control by sexually
assaulting someone.

1139
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:06,200
He told the police, he did need
to kill Nancy.

1140
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:11,100
There were other times in his
Call it a serial killer career

1141
01:14:11,700 --> 01:14:16,500
that he needed to kill and this
is something that also Ed camper

1142
01:14:16,500 --> 01:14:20,500
discussed when he was in prison.
That it's a compulsion.

1143
01:14:20,900 --> 01:14:25,400
So when Ted says, I didn't need
to kill Nancy, what he means is

1144
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:28,600
he doesn't feel compelled to
kill her but instead because she

1145
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:33,300
was screaming and fighting him,
he killed her, but he still

1146
01:14:33,300 --> 01:14:36,200
wanted to sexually assault her.
That was the one that was the

1147
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:38,800
desire there.
So he did it after she was dead.

1148
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:45,000
He also didn't drive her to one
of the dumpsites, he tells the

1149
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:48,800
police, he disposed of her
remains at the Capitol Reef

1150
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:52,600
National Park.
The police respond to her

1151
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:57,500
parents, very worried reports by
assuming she's a runaway.

1152
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:03,900
They don't investigate her death
until 1998, 3, 1989.

1153
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:08,200
I put that in 89.
Ok, well still so bad.

1154
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:10,800
Same year that he's executed.
Yes, no behead.

1155
01:15:11,500 --> 01:15:16,900
Yeah, anyway, is that victim is
17 year-old Melissa?

1156
01:15:16,900 --> 01:15:20,500
Ann Smith.
The daughter of Louis Smith.

1157
01:15:20,500 --> 01:15:24,500
The The police chief and
medieval Midvale medieval was a

1158
01:15:24,500 --> 01:15:27,000
lot like holiday and that it's a
small community where everybody

1159
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:32,400
knew each other another suburb
of Salt Lake City, October 18th,

1160
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:35,100
Melissa's walking home from
dinner with her friends at about

1161
01:15:35,300 --> 01:15:40,200
10 p.m., she actually called her
parents from the pizza parlor

1162
01:15:40,900 --> 01:15:43,700
and said, hey, we're all
leaving.

1163
01:15:43,700 --> 01:15:49,600
I'm heading home.
Never arrives, just like Nancy,

1164
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:51,800
he Blitz.
Attacked her beat her raped.

1165
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:55,200
Her killed her laughter on a
hillside in Summit County Utah,

1166
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:59,200
she was discovered Two Weeks
Later by some deer hunters on

1167
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:03,300
October 27th.
This is where things.

1168
01:16:03,300 --> 01:16:07,900
Get real weird.
When she is found on October

1169
01:16:07,900 --> 01:16:11,600
27th, forensics alert.
The Police that she has only

1170
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:15,900
been dead for two days.
Which means that Ted Bundy kept

1171
01:16:15,900 --> 01:16:20,100
her for nine days, total or more
about 70.

1172
01:16:20,700 --> 01:16:25,800
During that time, he washed her
hair put makeup on her painted

1173
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:30,000
her nails.
Her cause of death was

1174
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:34,000
blunt-force trauma to the Head.
This is a complete deviation

1175
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:35,500
from the other crimes.
Yeah.

1176
01:16:37,700 --> 01:16:42,500
Still the October murders aren't
over Halloween, 1974, 17,

1177
01:16:42,500 --> 01:16:44,700
year-old Laura and aim goes
missing.

1178
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:47,600
She was the from the city of
Lehigh, which is about 25

1179
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,600
minutes outside of Seattle.
Walking home from a cafe, a

1180
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:54,400
little after midnight.
She also Blitz attacks her, he

1181
01:16:54,400 --> 01:17:01,100
admitted to also doing his
bizarre ritual with Lara to She

1182
01:17:01,100 --> 01:17:04,300
was found in the American Fork
Canyon by some hikers.

1183
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:09,500
November comes in Ted drops out
of college.

1184
01:17:09,700 --> 01:17:11,400
He'd only been to a couple
classes.

1185
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:15,700
He was obviously very busy
holding women in his home.

1186
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:23,300
One week after kidnapping Laura
aim, he attacks 18 year old

1187
01:17:23,300 --> 01:17:26,700
carril DE Ranch, she was at the
Fashion, Police shopping mall,

1188
01:17:26,700 --> 01:17:30,500
and Murray Utah on November 8th.
When she says, a man dressed

1189
01:17:30,500 --> 01:17:33,300
like a police officer walked up
to her, told her her car had

1190
01:17:33,300 --> 01:17:37,300
been broken into Carol, gets
into the car with him and she's

1191
01:17:37,300 --> 01:17:39,900
like he's like we're going to go
file some paperwork at the

1192
01:17:39,907 --> 01:17:44,600
police station but she realizes
that he is not taking her to

1193
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:48,900
police station.
She tells him this and he tries

1194
01:17:48,900 --> 01:17:53,600
to handcuff her but while he's
driving and she ended up

1195
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:56,600
struggling with him and he
hooked both of them on the same

1196
01:17:56,600 --> 01:18:00,100
arm, she opens the car door and
just leaps out.

1197
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:03,200
Smart smart.
Little smart one.

1198
01:18:03,900 --> 01:18:06,600
Yeah, he's not trying to deal
with the struggle, so he just

1199
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:10,500
drives on my God.
Now, Carol actually goes to the

1200
01:18:10,500 --> 01:18:12,500
real police.
Tell us about this encounter.

1201
01:18:12,700 --> 01:18:15,100
She gives a perfect description
of him and his car.

1202
01:18:15,300 --> 01:18:17,700
And she said, while they were
struggling, he even got some of

1203
01:18:17,700 --> 01:18:20,800
his blood on her jacket, which
she gives over to the police, as

1204
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:24,300
well as is, he saw driving a
Volkswagen, I just I'm

1205
01:18:24,300 --> 01:18:28,400
absolutely is hmm.
Unfortunately, while the police

1206
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:31,300
are taking Carol statement and
processing this Evidence.

1207
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:36,400
He heads on over to Bountiful
Utah which isn't that far away

1208
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:40,300
and he kidnaps
seventeen-year-old, Debbie Kent.

1209
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:45,700
It's about 19 miles away from
Marie, which is where Carol

1210
01:18:45,700 --> 01:18:50,200
Durant was.
So I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

1211
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:55,700
Is it is, is it like, normal
for, like serial killers, like

1212
01:18:55,700 --> 01:18:59,200
to switch up their MO like that?
Like this start kidnapping and

1213
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:02,000
so they just like, like, no
murdering.

1214
01:19:03,300 --> 01:19:06,900
So it's not normal, it's
interesting here because like I

1215
01:19:06,907 --> 01:19:09,700
said he says he doesn't feel the
need to kill as much.

1216
01:19:10,700 --> 01:19:13,600
He wants to assault.
He wants us off them, okay?

1217
01:19:16,100 --> 01:19:21,700
Huh, I do.
I think this was calculated.

1218
01:19:21,700 --> 01:19:26,100
I think this was a way to
confuse police.

1219
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:34,100
But so you think it's somebody
else and I write so that they

1220
01:19:34,100 --> 01:19:35,500
would think it was a different
kind of killer.

1221
01:19:35,500 --> 01:19:37,400
Yeah.
Yeah.

1222
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:41,900
All right, I mean, at this point
profiling was in its infancy.

1223
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:49,000
But regardless Debbie left her
parent of the her parents at the

1224
01:19:49,008 --> 01:19:51,300
school.
Play to go pick up her brother

1225
01:19:51,300 --> 01:19:54,600
from the local ice rink.
She told her parents, she'd be

1226
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:57,100
back with her brother, Debbie
never came back.

1227
01:19:57,300 --> 01:20:00,200
Her parents thought she forgot
and walk to their friend's house

1228
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:03,300
and there they saw her car.
It was locked.

1229
01:20:03,300 --> 01:20:05,800
Her purse was still inside.
It was like where they have

1230
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:07,800
parked it like a real couple
blocks away.

1231
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:10,900
Debbie never made it to the ice
rink.

1232
01:20:10,900 --> 01:20:15,200
The Bountiful Police insisted
that she was a runaway and they

1233
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:17,400
wouldn't follow the police
report until 24 hours have

1234
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:21,600
passed.
So, the community does their own

1235
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:23,900
search around the school and
they find a key.

1236
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:30,100
It's very tiny key the kind of
key that you would use to lock

1237
01:20:30,100 --> 01:20:31,800
handcuffs.
Hmm.

1238
01:20:32,300 --> 01:20:35,300
In fact, the same key that was
able to unlock Carol dorantes,

1239
01:20:35,300 --> 01:20:37,700
handcuffs that she had given in
the police and Marie.

1240
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:41,700
So the police are now like crap,
same guy.

1241
01:20:43,300 --> 01:20:46,700
It wouldn't be another 14 years
before he admitted that he

1242
01:20:46,700 --> 01:20:50,200
killed her and he actually said
he took her body. 100 miles

1243
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:53,300
south of Bountiful to Fairview
Utah.

1244
01:20:54,500 --> 01:20:59,000
They only ever found her patella
and that wasn't they were able

1245
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:08,500
to DNA sequence that in 2015
2015 Yeah, they don't have

1246
01:21:08,500 --> 01:21:12,400
confirmation of the her
identity, until 2015.

1247
01:21:12,500 --> 01:21:19,700
Wow. 1975 starts with the press
in a frenzy for murders and

1248
01:21:19,700 --> 01:21:23,400
attempted abduction, just
outside of Salt Lake City, Liz

1249
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:25,500
somehow hears about these
murders.

1250
01:21:25,700 --> 01:21:30,100
And so she submits another tip
to King County Police Department

1251
01:21:30,100 --> 01:21:32,600
saying, she's convinced your
boyfriend is a serial killer.

1252
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:37,500
In fact, she sends these
messages to King King County and

1253
01:21:37,500 --> 01:21:43,200
Salt Lake City Police.
So Ted's now on both police

1254
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:47,100
precincts list of potential
killers, they still don't do

1255
01:21:47,100 --> 01:21:49,400
anything they say lack of
evidence.

1256
01:21:50,300 --> 01:21:54,200
Yeah, but he tapped.
I'm sorry, I'm glad keep

1257
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:56,100
thinking no know what you're
upset.

1258
01:21:56,100 --> 01:21:58,900
I know you're gonna get you're
getting emotional about this.

1259
01:22:09,900 --> 01:22:11,800
Steaks with cara de Ranch.
So he leaves.

1260
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:16,500
Utah satisfy ton, Colorado.
Instead January, 12th 1975.

1261
01:22:16,500 --> 01:22:20,300
He abducts 23 year old Karen
Campbell from Wildwood Inn in

1262
01:22:20,300 --> 01:22:23,200
Aspen Colorado.
Karen was there with her fianc��

1263
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:26,300
and his children to children,
they were all hanging out in the

1264
01:22:26,300 --> 01:22:28,700
lobby of the hotel.
Karen went upstairs to get a

1265
01:22:28,700 --> 01:22:32,400
magazine somewhere between the
lobby and their hotel room.

1266
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:38,000
He grabs her, she was raped and
killed and found a month later

1267
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:42,300
nude in a snowbank.
Not Far from the hotel next

1268
01:22:42,300 --> 01:22:43,900
murder.
March fifteenth twenty

1269
01:22:43,900 --> 01:22:47,200
six-year-old Julie Cunningham
she's a ski instructor in Vail

1270
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:50,400
Colorado.
I don't know if maybe the

1271
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:53,200
passing time made people feel
safer or the fact that it was

1272
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:58,000
100 miles away from Aspen, but
Julie was on her way to meet

1273
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:00,900
friends at a Tavern and she just
never arrived.

1274
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:05,700
Ted went back to his old Mo of
pretending to be hurt to get

1275
01:23:05,700 --> 01:23:08,600
women to feel bad for him.
He was carrying crutches and he

1276
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:12,700
was asking women to help carry
his ski items back to his car.

1277
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:18,400
Julie was beaten.
And he later on mentioned that

1278
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:22,100
this time, he he he After first,
so that he wouldn't make the

1279
01:23:22,100 --> 01:23:25,500
same mistake as with Carol, then
he drove.

1280
01:23:25,500 --> 01:23:29,600
Julie, 90 miles away to Rifle,
Colorado, and raped and

1281
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:32,100
strangled her.
He has admitted to, he admitted

1282
01:23:32,100 --> 01:23:34,400
to killing her, but they have
never found her remains.

1283
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:42,500
April 6, he abducts 25 year-old
Denise Lind, Oliver said she was

1284
01:23:42,500 --> 01:23:45,000
riding her bike to her parents
house and Grand Junction

1285
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:49,100
Colorado, she never arrived her
body has never been found.

1286
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:51,500
He told the police that he
dumped her remains in the

1287
01:23:51,500 --> 01:23:54,900
Colorado River about five miles
away from her, he abducted her.

1288
01:23:55,400 --> 01:24:02,000
But again, no evidence.
May 6 May 6 he deviates again

1289
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:05,200
this time abducting
twelve-year-old Lynette Dawn,

1290
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:10,500
Culver from Pocatello in the
Idaho pocket l0 is 160 miles

1291
01:24:10,500 --> 01:24:15,000
north of Salt Lake City.
And this is his one of his

1292
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,400
youngest victims.
He abducted her.

1293
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:20,400
As she was leaving.
School, took her to a hotel,

1294
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:23,200
where he raped her and drowned
her in the bathroom.

1295
01:24:23,700 --> 01:24:26,400
He told the police later that he
dumped her body in the Snake

1296
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:29,800
River as a diversion, so that
the police would stop looking

1297
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:34,200
for him and other areas and he
said, he changed his methodology

1298
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:38,000
to throw off the police.
June 28th.

1299
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:41,300
He picked he looks he takes 15
year-old Susan cross.

1300
01:24:41,700 --> 01:24:44,800
She's at a youth conference at
Brigham Young University.

1301
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:51,900
She was from Bountiful actually
which is very like coincidental.

1302
01:24:54,500 --> 01:24:57,300
Last she was last seen at a
formal banquet, wearing a yellow

1303
01:24:57,300 --> 01:24:59,900
gown on the first night of the
two-day conference.

1304
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:02,900
She left in the middle of the
event to brush her teeth.

1305
01:25:04,100 --> 01:25:07,200
Maybe she has some garlic and
she just felt like I couldn't do

1306
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:09,300
any kissing, right?
Yeah. 82.

1307
01:25:09,300 --> 01:25:10,700
Garlic food.
Right?

1308
01:25:10,700 --> 01:25:11,300
Right.
Okay.

1309
01:25:12,300 --> 01:25:14,300
He kidnapped her on her way.
Back to the dorm.

1310
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:19,100
He admitted before his execution
that he buried her near Price

1311
01:25:19,100 --> 01:25:21,300
Utah.
Her remains have never been

1312
01:25:21,300 --> 01:25:25,300
found throughout.
All of this Bundy is managed to

1313
01:25:25,300 --> 01:25:28,600
frustrate dozens of police
departments because he's

1314
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:32,000
kidnapping each young girl on a
different jurisdiction but also

1315
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:33,800
dumping them in a different
jurisdiction.

1316
01:25:33,900 --> 01:25:38,600
Shinto.
So after the Lake Sammamish,

1317
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:44,000
murders in July of 74 police
actually put out a request to

1318
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:48,700
everyone who was there that day.
If you had a camera, we need a

1319
01:25:48,708 --> 01:25:54,800
copy of your film.
They were sure that somebody had

1320
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:57,400
seen the killer, he was in the
background of somebody's

1321
01:25:57,400 --> 01:25:59,400
picture.
They wanted to compare it to the

1322
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:01,700
sketches.
They already had right now,

1323
01:26:01,700 --> 01:26:05,500
September 7, 1974, hikers ended
up finding remains scattered

1324
01:26:05,500 --> 01:26:08,900
over a huge area.
This is the Issaquah site.

1325
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:13,300
They discover the remains of
three women who were later id'd,

1326
01:26:13,300 --> 01:26:18,600
as Janice Ott, Denise naslund,
and Georgian Hawkins There were

1327
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:22,900
over 400 pieces of evidence
collected from Escuela.

1328
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:29,100
This confirmed for the parents
of these young women, no one ran

1329
01:26:29,100 --> 01:26:32,200
away.
They were definitely murdered.

1330
01:26:34,300 --> 01:26:40,700
so, Everything goes poorly for.
Ted, what?

1331
01:26:40,700 --> 01:26:44,500
He's arrested for speeding
through the residential area of

1332
01:26:44,500 --> 01:26:47,800
Granger Utah on August, 16th
1975.

1333
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:51,000
Can I just?
Can I just, I just think it's

1334
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:54,500
always a smallest thing they
could call on it is what as

1335
01:26:54,500 --> 01:26:59,400
hell?
Honestly, it's only the Green

1336
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:02,800
River Killer, who got caught
because they were like We're

1337
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:07,200
doing the hard science here.
What was it?

1338
01:27:09,300 --> 01:27:10,700
The Yorkshire Ripper.
Same thing.

1339
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:21,200
Yep, it's just it's just it's
it's funny to me, it's well

1340
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:26,600
here's what happens.
This is purely his fault, 100%.

1341
01:27:26,900 --> 01:27:29,600
So it's really early in the
morning and arresting officer

1342
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:34,300
Sergeant Bob Hayward sees this
guy and he's like going a little

1343
01:27:34,300 --> 01:27:36,200
fast and it's a residential
district.

1344
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:39,400
So he just wants to stop him and
be like, yo, buddy kids live

1345
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:45,100
here, hmm.
Instead tell precedes to hit the

1346
01:27:45,100 --> 01:27:50,400
gas and lead him, this becomes a
high-speed chase on the highway.

1347
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:55,900
When they finally catch em, they
just want to grab them for being

1348
01:27:55,900 --> 01:27:57,600
Reckless, like, reckless
driving.

1349
01:27:59,300 --> 01:28:01,700
And then they see that his
passenger seat as missing.

1350
01:28:02,700 --> 01:28:08,600
And there's a mask made from
pantyhose and a crowbar in a set

1351
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:11,800
of handcuffs and an ice pick and
and some rope.

1352
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:16,700
And hey words like we're gonna
bring them in for the speeding

1353
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:20,900
but this is very suspicious.
You're very amongst us.

1354
01:28:23,700 --> 01:28:28,600
So then based on the fact that
he had all these tools, a murder

1355
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:34,000
kit Heyward applies for a search
warrant, and he gets it.

1356
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:39,200
And honestly it was just it was
also that he he was murder kit.

1357
01:28:39,300 --> 01:28:43,000
He looked kind of like the
composite sketch and he also was

1358
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:47,000
driving a tan VW Bug.
But either way they get he gets

1359
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:50,100
a search warrant.
They go into his apartment and

1360
01:28:50,100 --> 01:28:54,600
they find proof of him being at
the locations where women

1361
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:57,800
disappeared this isn't
necessarily enough to arrest

1362
01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:00,500
him.
They also find handcuffs just

1363
01:29:00,500 --> 01:29:03,600
like the ones used on Carol.
The ranch and this is the

1364
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:05,500
beginning of them building a
Ace.

1365
01:29:07,100 --> 01:29:10,200
I love Carole to Ranch.
I have read her.

1366
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:13,400
I read her story long before I
research buddy, I loved her.

1367
01:29:13,500 --> 01:29:17,400
Carol was ready.
Okay, she's like I got you, I'll

1368
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:21,600
come in, he pulls it, calls him
out of a police lineup, other

1369
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:25,300
Witnesses from Bountiful Utah.
Identify him as the man creeping

1370
01:29:25,300 --> 01:29:28,600
around campus, they charged him
with aggravated kidnapping and

1371
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:30,900
attempted criminal assault for
Carol.

1372
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:34,900
Unfortunately, he's able to make
his comically low bail of 15.

1373
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:39,700
Thousand dollars.
Which means the only had to pay

1374
01:29:39,700 --> 01:29:41,200
1,500.
Okay?

1375
01:29:48,700 --> 01:29:55,400
Why so low?
Something like for dangerous

1376
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:59,500
stuff though.
Here's the next part for me

1377
01:29:59,500 --> 01:30:02,000
which is really cool.
So the detective on the case in

1378
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:06,000
Utah is Jerry Thompson and he's
just like the only way we're

1379
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:09,700
going to get this guy on
anything, I have to talk to

1380
01:30:09,700 --> 01:30:11,900
other cops so he calls up
detective.

1381
01:30:11,900 --> 01:30:14,200
Robert Capa from Washington
detective.

1382
01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:19,000
Michael Fisher from Colorado and
he's just like let's meet up.

1383
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:22,500
Share evidence and they all
agree.

1384
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:29,100
It takes about six months but he
goes to trial for kidnapping

1385
01:30:29,100 --> 01:30:32,300
Carroll d'orange on February
23rd 1976.

1386
01:30:32,700 --> 01:30:37,200
He waives the right to a jury
trial and he hires a lawyer.

1387
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:41,700
But during this case, he's a
total asshole.

1388
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:49,500
He fires the guy, tries to
interview Carol on the stand.

1389
01:30:49,700 --> 01:30:52,100
Talking about this was a long
time ago.

1390
01:30:52,100 --> 01:30:54,900
This was like a year ago.
How do you know it was me?

1391
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:55,600
Yeah.
Carol.

1392
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:58,200
Like the cool customer that she
is.

1393
01:30:58,300 --> 01:31:04,300
It's just like, I could never
forget your face God.

1394
01:31:04,300 --> 01:31:07,600
I just remember that part when
he fired his lawyer and he

1395
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:10,300
wanted to question her himself
of like you just I'll be

1396
01:31:10,300 --> 01:31:12,900
absolutely did and he showed
off.

1397
01:31:13,500 --> 01:31:18,600
He's like Screaming and Swinging
his arms, totally acting like an

1398
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:20,500
ass, right?
Because he went to law school,

1399
01:31:20,500 --> 01:31:22,700
right?
He did go to law school for a

1400
01:31:22,700 --> 01:31:24,400
year in like a week.
Okay.

1401
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:29,400
So he knew enough even we know
he sure felt like he did.

1402
01:31:31,700 --> 01:31:38,700
Well. after being a total jerk
while he like, Talk to Carol.

1403
01:31:39,500 --> 01:31:43,300
He's a total cool and collected
guy in the courtroom judge,

1404
01:31:43,300 --> 01:31:47,300
finds him guilty gives him one
to 15 years in prison.

1405
01:31:48,900 --> 01:31:53,500
Everyone involved is pleased.
But it's not enough.

1406
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:56,800
It's definitely not enough for
the cops who had faced the

1407
01:31:56,800 --> 01:32:03,100
families of 18.
Girls between 12 and 26 years

1408
01:32:03,100 --> 01:32:06,600
old.
So, Colorado begins looking into

1409
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:10,700
Karen Campbell's, murder and
Aspen and Colorado, files

1410
01:32:10,700 --> 01:32:15,900
charges for Karen's murder on
October 22nd 1976.

1411
01:32:17,300 --> 01:32:23,500
Ted was extradited in April of
1977 and unbeknownst to everyone

1412
01:32:23,500 --> 01:32:26,200
involved.
This is Ben, he begins planning

1413
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:31,100
his Escape.
And that is where we will end

1414
01:32:31,100 --> 01:32:36,500
this week.
Well, well.

1415
01:32:39,100 --> 01:32:41,500
You talked about your boy.
I don't like your boy.

1416
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:44,100
I'm not a fan of everybody's
boy.

1417
01:32:44,100 --> 01:32:47,400
It's your boy not my glasses.
Your boys.

1418
01:32:48,700 --> 01:32:51,400
And this is, this is America.
Is this your boy America?

1419
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:54,000
It's your boy.
Oh my God.

1420
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:58,800
Y'all like this guy side note, I
left to remind women that has

1421
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:00,800
youngest victim was 12.
Yeah.

1422
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:04,900
And there are two of them, which
means it wasn't an accident.

1423
01:33:05,100 --> 01:33:07,900
I mean, that's just like the
same as Richard Ramirez.

1424
01:33:07,900 --> 01:33:11,600
Like his he had young victims as
well and people were just up.

1425
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:17,800
I'm like y'all see one?
Semi decent photo of them in

1426
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:18,700
court.
Art.

1427
01:33:18,900 --> 01:33:22,700
And now, all of a sudden these
guys are attractive.

1428
01:33:22,700 --> 01:33:27,500
I'm like, yeah, the lawyers do
clean them up for court so that

1429
01:33:27,500 --> 01:33:31,100
they can play on y'all emotions.
That's exactly what they do.

1430
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:34,900
It was what they did.
They make the guys look better

1431
01:33:34,900 --> 01:33:37,400
and they downplay the girls if
they look too cute.

1432
01:33:39,300 --> 01:33:43,000
Yeah, if anyone wants to example
of this lookup Jodi Arias, as

1433
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:47,100
what to say her online, pictures
versus what she looked like in

1434
01:33:47,100 --> 01:33:49,700
court.
I was about to say and then they

1435
01:33:49,700 --> 01:33:51,500
did the opposite for Casey
Anthony.

1436
01:33:52,300 --> 01:33:55,100
Uh-huh.
Well, no, because they also

1437
01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:57,200
Casey Anthony was also an issue,
too.

1438
01:33:57,400 --> 01:34:00,400
Because remember Casey Anthony
went out like party, and yeah.

1439
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:03,100
And then when she went to court,
then she was just like a homely,

1440
01:34:03,100 --> 01:34:05,600
looking the papers.
Look regular.

1441
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:06,900
Yeah, same thing with Jodi
Arias.

1442
01:34:07,100 --> 01:34:08,800
Jodi Arias was like they put her
in like a beggar.

1443
01:34:08,900 --> 01:34:13,500
Sweater and they like had her
like they had her go back to her

1444
01:34:13,500 --> 01:34:15,100
natural hair color, which was
brown.

1445
01:34:15,100 --> 01:34:18,400
Yep.
And they had her wear glasses,

1446
01:34:19,900 --> 01:34:22,800
so it's interesting.
But for the guys, they want you

1447
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:25,300
to be as attractive as possible
for the women drawers.

1448
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:30,400
Weird free.
Anyway, Brian.

1449
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:36,700
What's your portion of the day?
Going to be about I don't know

1450
01:34:36,700 --> 01:34:43,500
if my can like it and I hope
hopefully mine brings enough

1451
01:34:43,500 --> 01:34:47,500
levity to this damn podcast
today.

1452
01:34:48,500 --> 01:34:50,600
That was frustrating.
They listened to, I swear to God

1453
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:53,200
Bernie.
All right, it's always

1454
01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:56,500
frustrating.
I know always, it's always

1455
01:34:56,500 --> 01:34:58,900
fresh.
Excuse me.

1456
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:04,500
See because this video, you cut
that out.

1457
01:35:08,200 --> 01:35:10,300
This is just audio.
You can just go flip.

1458
01:35:10,500 --> 01:35:13,400
It's okay.
Okay.

1459
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:15,700
Let's cleanse the palate,
something.

1460
01:35:15,700 --> 01:35:19,100
Less depressing.
Yes, and the continued failures

1461
01:35:19,100 --> 01:35:23,900
of our justice system.
Let's so today I will be talking

1462
01:35:23,900 --> 01:35:25,900
about one of your favorite
things.

1463
01:35:26,900 --> 01:35:33,000
Oh, what's that?
Aliens, I don't hate you aliens.

1464
01:35:33,300 --> 01:35:35,100
I just don't believe everything
is alien.

1465
01:35:35,100 --> 01:35:37,600
That's what messes me up.
That was, it makes me angry.

1466
01:35:40,100 --> 01:35:42,900
People are like, oh, this
everything aliens and like, it's

1467
01:35:42,900 --> 01:35:45,000
not, it's not, everything's not
aliens.

1468
01:35:45,700 --> 01:35:47,600
This is true.
Everything is not the only ones

1469
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:50,600
in this story.
May not be aliens actually.

1470
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:54,200
Thank goodness.
Oh, it may really be Alice.

1471
01:35:56,600 --> 01:35:59,900
So this is like with the
Flatwoods Monster, okay?

1472
01:35:59,900 --> 01:36:01,900
I'm kind of talking about
talking about, of course

1473
01:36:16,100 --> 01:36:18,400
it does.
Look, it's the Cryptid wearing a

1474
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:20,800
little dress.
Yeah.

1475
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:23,600
And that Speedway Flatwoods
t-shirt.

1476
01:36:24,700 --> 01:36:27,000
I mean maybe later this year, as
much as he could probably do

1477
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:29,400
that.
Listen, I could be the one that

1478
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:30,400
I told you.
I want.

1479
01:36:30,500 --> 01:36:31,800
I know.
We're going to get when I get

1480
01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:32,800
that.
I'm gonna get that.

1481
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:45,500
I want the a Squatch.
Okay, so we got the big but Mom.

1482
01:36:46,700 --> 01:36:49,300
But donk a donk.
Now we will have an a spot.

1483
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:51,500
Is this team just going to be
booties Azure?

1484
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:55,700
Maybe it could be, just what?
So, we'll talk about that later.

1485
01:36:57,300 --> 01:36:59,100
All right, we will spoilers
later.

1486
01:36:59,100 --> 01:37:01,800
Yes.
But yeah, just like the fight

1487
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:05,200
was monitored is this creature
is an alien-type Cryptid?

1488
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:12,200
This is coming from Dover
Massachusetts and for anybody

1489
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:15,400
from Massachusetts.
This is the tale of the Dover

1490
01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:19,700
Demon.
Oh, no, never heard of this one.

1491
01:37:20,700 --> 01:37:23,000
So let me give you a little
description of this guy.

1492
01:37:24,700 --> 01:37:28,400
So it's whole body
characteristics, description of

1493
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:32,300
of whatever you want to get.
There are they look like a grey

1494
01:37:32,300 --> 01:37:35,900
alien?
So yeah, as you know, small body

1495
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:40,600
big head, big eyes but it's not
great.

1496
01:37:40,900 --> 01:37:44,800
He is more of like a blood art.
Like I seen pictures of him and

1497
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:50,700
like blood orange looking Okay,
yeah, that's like his color

1498
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:54,200
because whole skin color, pick
up my phone and begin searching

1499
01:37:55,400 --> 01:38:01,600
for pictures of the Dover devil.
Dover Demon cowl, sorry to say,

1500
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:04,000
Jersey Devil.
Dover Demon.

1501
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:10,200
There you go images.
She has a watermelon shaped head

1502
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:12,800
and we're not sighs had like a
big ol size.

1503
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:16,300
Bigger, water Metalhead, a very
thin small body.

1504
01:38:17,300 --> 01:38:21,200
Oh, I like it.
So, what I saw was like, when I

1505
01:38:21,208 --> 01:38:24,800
first saw the picture like, like
Independence, Day aliens, their

1506
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:28,400
heads.
However, big in the back, like

1507
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:33,000
those type of aliens, but their
hand on like a small Gray's body

1508
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:37,500
like, that's why that's why I
don't picture.

1509
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:47,300
There he is.
That's the Dover.

1510
01:38:48,100 --> 01:38:52,800
Demon is kind of gross looking
just a little bit.

1511
01:38:54,700 --> 01:39:00,200
He has a large glowing eyes, and
spindly long fingers.

1512
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:03,000
Yeah, I didn't I didn't miss
that.

1513
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:04,800
It reminds me very much of
Salad.

1514
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:06,500
Fingers.
Yes.

1515
01:39:07,300 --> 01:39:10,500
Which I found deeply unsettling
as a child.

1516
01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:14,100
Everybody did everybody, do you
still watched it?

1517
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:18,200
And also the voice.
Hmm.

1518
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:25,300
We got a big old big headed,
baby alien.

1519
01:39:25,400 --> 01:39:28,900
Yep, basically that's kind of
when he's was described as to

1520
01:39:29,100 --> 01:39:34,100
get, he's a, he's a be Bellotti,
got more head and he got body

1521
01:39:34,300 --> 01:39:38,200
anyway.
Um, so yeah, these fingers are

1522
01:39:38,200 --> 01:39:41,000
just long and he just wrapped
her on anything that he touched,

1523
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:43,700
like they're just spied her
fingers, basically.

1524
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:52,300
And can I just say that?
The people of the Cryptid

1525
01:39:52,300 --> 01:39:55,600
sightings period, like of the.
So this happened in 1977.

1526
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:59,500
So, like in the 70s, like
whenever it is area, this era of

1527
01:39:59,500 --> 01:40:02,400
like, citing Cryptids, like
these people have a lot of

1528
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:04,900
imagination, either like their
imagination.

1529
01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:08,700
Like you know, it's the area of
the serial killer, the area of

1530
01:40:08,700 --> 01:40:12,700
the Cryptid, like is it comes
folks were born.

1531
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:15,400
That's see, that's what I was
thinking to either their

1532
01:40:15,400 --> 01:40:17,500
imaginations one and running
wild.

1533
01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:20,400
They were bored as fuck or they
were Poking.

1534
01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:24,500
Some of that.
Very good stuff, like his stuff.

1535
01:40:29,100 --> 01:40:33,200
Because these creatures they
came up with I swear they're

1536
01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:40,000
just like damn okay I see weird
stuff in my dreams but this is

1537
01:40:40,200 --> 01:40:42,900
the real life is what you're
trying to say was that is real

1538
01:40:42,900 --> 01:40:45,200
life.
Oh goodness.

1539
01:40:46,100 --> 01:40:51,200
Yeah.
So I'm going to I'm going to

1540
01:40:51,200 --> 01:40:53,900
give you some of this item.
So there were technically I

1541
01:40:53,900 --> 01:40:59,300
think before sightings recitals
Three.

1542
01:40:59,300 --> 01:41:00,000
Sightings that.
What?

1543
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:04,600
I have.
Yes, three sightings of this

1544
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:06,900
Dover Demon and a 33.
Sightings there.

1545
01:41:07,500 --> 01:41:10,500
Technically was there.
Any other ones after this?

1546
01:41:10,500 --> 01:41:15,100
So okay, interesting.
Interesting, yeah, okay.

1547
01:41:16,700 --> 01:41:21,900
So sightings of this creature to
span across two nights.

1548
01:41:22,100 --> 01:41:24,200
And like I said, never again
after that.

1549
01:41:24,700 --> 01:41:29,100
So the first sighting was done
by a Eighteen-year-old his name

1550
01:41:29,100 --> 01:41:35,900
was William Bart Bartlett.
And this is on April 21st 1997.

1551
01:41:37,500 --> 01:41:42,100
So it was a little past 10 p.m.
so it was dark out.

1552
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:47,100
William in two of his friends,
Mike mizuka.

1553
01:41:48,500 --> 01:41:53,800
Yes, that's why I'm going with n
Andy, Brody, they're driving

1554
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:56,200
down.
It's a street is called Farm

1555
01:41:56,200 --> 01:42:02,600
Street and this is when William
he spots something it's like

1556
01:42:02,600 --> 01:42:08,000
it's like working crawling, sort
of alone like a bottom of this

1557
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:11,300
wall and starts climbing up the
wall.

1558
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:15,000
Like it's the stone wall.
That's just like on like on the

1559
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:19,600
corner of the street or
something like that and So, at

1560
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:23,000
first, you know, he sees it like
crawling across the ground.

1561
01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:24,900
Seems like it's probably a cat
or dog.

1562
01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:31,900
But you know, as he turns in his
headlights, like light up this

1563
01:42:31,900 --> 01:42:36,200
creature, he tricked, he
realizes.

1564
01:42:36,200 --> 01:42:41,000
It's not an animal or not a
creature that he's seen before.

1565
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:46,700
So it had its two large eyes
that were glowing a time.

1566
01:42:46,700 --> 01:42:49,000
So I'm pretty sure they were
just reflecting his his

1567
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:53,100
headlights.
They were like a crown lidless

1568
01:42:53,100 --> 01:43:00,200
eyes and just looking back at
him and With that watermelon

1569
01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:06,200
size head on top of that tiny
body and he says it looks, it it

1570
01:43:06,200 --> 01:43:10,800
has a peach color to the skin
and it's fingers just curled

1571
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:16,300
around some rocks, human ask.
Sort of.

1572
01:43:18,500 --> 01:43:27,100
Quite the right complexion, but
yeah, yeah. he describes it as

1573
01:43:28,500 --> 01:43:31,500
Having like you said a baby's
Bobby baby's body?

1574
01:43:32,700 --> 01:43:35,600
They go big-headed baby little
body.

1575
01:43:37,400 --> 01:43:40,300
No one else in the car is sees
this thing and William drives

1576
01:43:40,300 --> 01:43:43,200
away.
He drops his friends off at home

1577
01:43:43,300 --> 01:43:46,600
and then he hits home and he
draws up a sketch or of what

1578
01:43:46,600 --> 01:43:50,500
he's seen.
Is that, that little hand drawn

1579
01:43:50,500 --> 01:43:53,500
one.
So there are two different ones,

1580
01:43:53,500 --> 01:43:55,600
but, yeah, I'm pretty sure his
is the.

1581
01:43:56,400 --> 01:44:00,100
Let me see if I can Is it the
one in black?

1582
01:44:00,100 --> 01:44:08,300
And I think it's as if I can
pull open stupid.

1583
01:44:10,100 --> 01:44:12,600
The one from Wikipedia is that
this is that one?

1584
01:44:13,100 --> 01:44:17,000
Hold on.
Wikipedia When I search it was

1585
01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:20,500
the first picture.
It's goddamn it.

1586
01:44:20,500 --> 01:44:24,900
This is no mouth.
It has a tiny.

1587
01:44:25,100 --> 01:44:27,400
I don't think he drew it with
her mouth, but let me see.

1588
01:44:27,800 --> 01:44:28,900
Nope, there's no math on this
pick.

1589
01:44:28,900 --> 01:44:30,900
Oh, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah.
This is a picture.

1590
01:44:30,900 --> 01:44:32,000
Yes, that picture.
Okay.

1591
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:34,500
So the one that I originally
showed the people, okay.

1592
01:44:34,500 --> 01:44:38,200
Yes.
That's the one.

1593
01:44:39,500 --> 01:44:42,800
That's the one that bill Drew.
Yes, have no mouth.

1594
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:48,300
So I cannot scream.
That's terrible.

1595
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:54,200
Okay, so there's another one.
Let me see.

1596
01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:58,700
Where's it at?
Okay, so two hours later.

1597
01:44:59,900 --> 01:45:01,800
Fifteen-year-old name is John
Dame.

1598
01:45:01,800 --> 01:45:05,400
Nice, same night, same night,
two hours later, this lens to

1599
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:09,500
credibility.
Yep. 15 year, old John Baxter,

1600
01:45:09,500 --> 01:45:14,800
he leaves his girlfriend, Kathy
her, he leaves her house and

1601
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:19,800
that's at the says it's the
south end of Miller High Road.

1602
01:45:20,300 --> 01:45:23,300
Okay then you know you start
sweating.

1603
01:45:23,400 --> 01:45:27,900
Walking, he starts walking home
to his house and half an hour

1604
01:45:27,900 --> 01:45:32,000
later.
He, he sees someone that's like

1605
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:37,200
walking towards him.
And so this is like he's close

1606
01:45:37,200 --> 01:45:39,800
to his house and he thinks it's
like somebody he knows from a

1607
01:45:39,800 --> 01:45:42,100
neighborhood.
So he like calls out to them.

1608
01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:49,800
And no answers back.
So he was like, okay it is so

1609
01:45:49,800 --> 01:45:52,000
you keep walking.
Okay.

1610
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:55,100
Side note, it does he think the
alien is his friend?

1611
01:45:55,600 --> 01:45:58,900
He thinks that he's somebody in
the neighborhood that he knows.

1612
01:45:59,800 --> 01:46:01,600
So it was walking upright with
it's big.

1613
01:46:01,600 --> 01:46:02,800
Ol bobblehead.
Uh-huh.

1614
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:05,600
Uh-huh.
Well because, oh, so far when

1615
01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:08,700
I've looked at these pictures
just now I only see it depicted

1616
01:46:08,700 --> 01:46:12,800
on, like all fours, there's a
there are is a picture.

1617
01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:18,500
I think it's one that John Mr.
Baxter here has grown, I think

1618
01:46:18,500 --> 01:46:21,500
he drew a picture of it too and
that's the one that's like, it's

1619
01:46:21,500 --> 01:46:23,200
standing up.
But it's like leaning on a tree.

1620
01:46:23,200 --> 01:46:24,600
I think that's him or somebody
else.

1621
01:46:24,600 --> 01:46:27,200
I did that.
Okay.

1622
01:46:27,200 --> 01:46:28,700
Okay.
It's like darker.

1623
01:46:28,700 --> 01:46:30,500
Hmm.
Okay, I see that.

1624
01:46:30,500 --> 01:46:32,600
Well, yeah, I see a John Baxter
is drawing, ok.

1625
01:46:32,900 --> 01:46:35,000
I shall also show the people.
Yes, yes.

1626
01:46:37,900 --> 01:46:43,700
But but so, you know, they get
closer, you know, it's like who

1627
01:46:43,700 --> 01:46:46,900
is like, you know, you're like
like it, so you're not who I

1628
01:46:46,900 --> 01:46:49,600
think you are, but who is that?
Like who are you?

1629
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:55,400
Like and then that is a peep and
little OPP.

1630
01:46:57,900 --> 01:47:03,000
So the the reminds me of like
the beginning of Shaun of the

1631
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:06,600
Dead when they think that guy is
just like singing with them.

1632
01:47:06,600 --> 01:47:08,600
Oh yeah.
Dead.

1633
01:47:08,600 --> 01:47:17,000
This is like hey dude.
Yeah that one.

1634
01:47:17,400 --> 01:47:22,000
That's not reminds me of jobs
like really thinking like that's

1635
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:26,300
somebody in this community grow.
If you don't get your ass home,

1636
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:32,300
China.
So there are clouds right at the

1637
01:47:32,300 --> 01:47:36,400
sky is overcast and then
suddenly like just one Ray of

1638
01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:39,100
moonlight, just comes out and it
hits this creature.

1639
01:47:39,100 --> 01:47:42,400
And he sees that it's not a
person, and it's really, really

1640
01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:47,500
close to him.
And so, he freaks out, the

1641
01:47:47,500 --> 01:47:51,500
creature freaks out, and the
creature like, runs off to like

1642
01:47:51,500 --> 01:47:54,100
wooded area.
Thank goodness.

1643
01:47:54,700 --> 01:47:58,600
And you can close and see the
point.

1644
01:47:58,700 --> 01:48:00,100
Only is mr.
Baxter.

1645
01:48:00,100 --> 01:48:04,800
He chases after this creature.
He chases.

1646
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:07,400
If he chases after it and this
is where he gets that picture

1647
01:48:07,400 --> 01:48:09,500
from that.
You drew.

1648
01:48:09,500 --> 01:48:12,200
These is sexy ending next to a
tree, like, hiding from him.

1649
01:48:12,200 --> 01:48:15,300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is what happens.

1650
01:48:15,300 --> 01:48:19,700
He sees it, like saying, like,
it's holding up like a tree and

1651
01:48:20,100 --> 01:48:22,600
it has his toes, like, wrapped
around some rocks, on the

1652
01:48:22,608 --> 01:48:28,900
ground, and stuff like that.
And he's like the same day.

1653
01:48:28,900 --> 01:48:33,400
These two kids see the same
thing, and they both draw

1654
01:48:33,700 --> 01:48:35,800
similar pictures.
Yeah.

1655
01:48:35,800 --> 01:48:39,400
Okay this is okay.
See, I'm less inclined to think

1656
01:48:39,400 --> 01:48:44,000
that this is made up Hmm.
Okay.

1657
01:48:44,200 --> 01:48:46,100
Okay.
Like that, like that because

1658
01:48:46,100 --> 01:48:48,600
it's two independent
experiences.

1659
01:48:49,700 --> 01:48:56,900
This is true.
So I have one more.

1660
01:48:57,600 --> 01:48:59,200
Okay.
So this is this.

1661
01:48:59,200 --> 01:49:01,800
What happened the same day or
after people learned about the

1662
01:49:01,800 --> 01:49:03,900
first one?
Because, see, that's how I feel

1663
01:49:03,900 --> 01:49:06,500
like, with Bigfoot.
Like some, a couple people were,

1664
01:49:06,500 --> 01:49:09,300
like, yo, we saw this big hairy
guy, and the other people was

1665
01:49:09,300 --> 01:49:14,800
like, yeah, we saw it to us too,
and then it became this thing,

1666
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:17,900
but I feel like if independently
people saw something or

1667
01:49:17,907 --> 01:49:23,500
experienced a paranormal thing,
and it can be independently,

1668
01:49:24,300 --> 01:49:30,500
Confirmed that has much more
standing as being potentially

1669
01:49:30,500 --> 01:49:32,000
true.
This is true.

1670
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:36,200
This is true.
So this one is actually the next

1671
01:49:36,200 --> 01:49:40,900
day.
Okay, so I'm not sure if like

1672
01:49:40,900 --> 01:49:44,000
news got around at this point.
Yeah.

1673
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:45,600
See.
That's the the worried there.

1674
01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:48,400
Yeah.
The people want to be a part of

1675
01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:53,000
something.
So They they want to be a part

1676
01:49:53,000 --> 01:49:54,900
of the story but let's see.
The third one.

1677
01:49:54,900 --> 01:49:58,600
Okay, didn't deviate from the
original story or not?

1678
01:49:58,600 --> 01:50:00,400
No, I did not.
Okay little.

1679
01:50:00,700 --> 01:50:05,100
So the certain one this is me by
a 15 year old girl.

1680
01:50:05,400 --> 01:50:10,200
Her name is Abby.
Listen Bart brabham.

1681
01:50:10,900 --> 01:50:13,500
Okay grab him.
I'm not good with names.

1682
01:50:13,500 --> 01:50:14,700
I'm sorry.
Especially last name.

1683
01:50:14,700 --> 01:50:20,100
Sorry anyway, she sold the Dover
Demon and it was standing up

1684
01:50:20,100 --> 01:50:21,300
right next to a tree.
Three.

1685
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:25,600
And she said it was much like
the sighting night before.

1686
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:29,600
It was just like, how was it
John Baxter?

1687
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:34,600
Saw the demon just watching.
Yeah, basically why they call it

1688
01:50:34,600 --> 01:50:36,700
a demon.
This is obviously the Dover

1689
01:50:36,700 --> 01:50:42,800
alien as they just chilling
living his life.

1690
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:45,100
I think Bill was the one that
called it an alien.

1691
01:50:45,100 --> 01:50:46,700
I'm not sure where he got the
demon from.

1692
01:50:46,900 --> 01:50:49,500
I mean, I'm pretty sure it was
like the newspapers, a start.

1693
01:50:49,700 --> 01:50:51,400
That's the only reason why,
Yeah.

1694
01:50:53,600 --> 01:50:56,300
But yeah, she said she saw it in
your like it was holding.

1695
01:50:56,300 --> 01:50:59,100
It was up against a tree and it
was near some water.

1696
01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:04,200
Same as charm Baxter's is when
he proof that everybody needs

1697
01:51:04,200 --> 01:51:05,700
water to survive.
Hmm.

1698
01:51:07,900 --> 01:51:11,200
But yeah, those are like the
three stories.

1699
01:51:11,800 --> 01:51:14,400
I think John Baxter is the one
that is, he's like, still

1700
01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:16,600
shaking.
He's like, I know I saw

1701
01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:20,500
something that night cover of
the book is awful.

1702
01:51:21,100 --> 01:51:24,700
Okay, it's just like an alien.
Looks like alien that book it

1703
01:51:24,700 --> 01:51:29,900
looks worse.
That's horrific.

1704
01:51:29,900 --> 01:51:32,400
If it looked like that, I'd be
terrified.

1705
01:51:33,700 --> 01:51:36,300
Also, apparently there's a book,
a movie or know.

1706
01:51:36,300 --> 01:51:39,500
It's a short film.
Yeah, I want to watch it.

1707
01:51:40,700 --> 01:51:44,700
Okay, what do you want to know?
What?

1708
01:51:44,900 --> 01:51:47,800
Some people think that this
thing is?

1709
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:51,700
Oh sure.
Okay.

1710
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:56,700
So, since a lot of people seen
it on like all fours, they place

1711
01:51:56,700 --> 01:52:02,900
out that it was maybe like a
baby foul or baby moose, baby

1712
01:52:02,900 --> 01:52:10,300
moose are very spindling but
This dude over demon was spotted

1713
01:52:10,300 --> 01:52:16,400
in April and apparently you from
what I read baby moose or moose

1714
01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:23,100
moose has moo C's.
However moose mises they heard

1715
01:52:23,100 --> 01:52:27,200
not like in the area of
Massachusetts at this time of

1716
01:52:27,200 --> 01:52:36,200
spring so it may may have been a
lost baby moose who knows?

1717
01:52:37,500 --> 01:52:40,900
But I'm just saying it's it
wasn't like seasonally.

1718
01:52:42,200 --> 01:52:44,900
Ethical for that baby.
Yeah, but their heads aren't

1719
01:52:44,900 --> 01:52:47,700
that big, they're proportional
only could have been the

1720
01:52:48,400 --> 01:52:52,000
antlers.
You call those?

1721
01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:57,500
Yes, I like this one.
Who knows?

1722
01:52:58,600 --> 01:53:05,100
So there's another, those thing
that I think it's a I think it's

1723
01:53:06,800 --> 01:53:09,500
it's the right one is what it
actually is.

1724
01:53:09,600 --> 01:53:14,600
Okay, okay.
So you know what a gibbon is?

1725
01:53:16,700 --> 01:53:21,400
A monkey.
Yeah, it's a cute little we're

1726
01:53:21,400 --> 01:53:23,300
looking monkey.
Which spindly fingers.

1727
01:53:23,300 --> 01:53:27,400
That, like, wrap around things
and big eyes.

1728
01:53:27,400 --> 01:53:29,700
Somebody had a pet, they weren't
supposed to.

1729
01:53:29,800 --> 01:53:32,400
Yeah.
And it got loose in 1977.

1730
01:53:35,200 --> 01:53:41,000
That's that's like the most the
most plausible thing I could

1731
01:53:41,000 --> 01:53:45,400
think of because is there a
picture of a gibbon walking?

1732
01:53:46,300 --> 01:53:52,300
All they're so cute, but they're
furry, why wasn't this one

1733
01:53:52,300 --> 01:53:55,800
Ferrari?
It may have been for you just

1734
01:53:55,800 --> 01:53:57,800
turkey, don't know.
They walk like people.

1735
01:54:01,500 --> 01:54:02,900
I'm showing a picture of that as
well.

1736
01:54:02,900 --> 01:54:05,100
It walks like a person that's
kind of hunched over.

1737
01:54:06,100 --> 01:54:09,200
Oh no.
I was like, I thought it was

1738
01:54:09,200 --> 01:54:11,900
walking, it would be okay.
And then here's a picture of It

1739
01:54:11,900 --> 01:54:16,100
kind of leaned over.
It does have crazy, long arms,

1740
01:54:16,500 --> 01:54:24,200
that's a gibbon.
Look at those cute little fuzzy

1741
01:54:24,200 --> 01:54:29,900
boys.
Yeah, so their proportions are

1742
01:54:29,900 --> 01:54:32,900
so weird.
Monkeys.

1743
01:54:34,600 --> 01:54:37,400
Monkeys are just giving these
particular Gibbs.

1744
01:54:37,500 --> 01:54:40,200
Okay I'm gonna send you the
picture.

1745
01:54:46,700 --> 01:54:53,700
God.
Okay, so I guess a demonologist.

1746
01:54:53,700 --> 01:54:55,900
I'm not even on my God I'm
taking the demonologist.

1747
01:54:56,100 --> 01:54:59,000
I think the team is right now.
Cryptozoologist there you go.

1748
01:55:01,200 --> 01:55:04,200
Her name is Loren Coleman and
she's like she's local to the

1749
01:55:04,200 --> 01:55:08,700
area and sheathing said you
know, all three of the sightings

1750
01:55:08,700 --> 01:55:15,400
before were credible.
And like she believes them but

1751
01:55:15,500 --> 01:55:17,000
like she believes that they saw
something.

1752
01:55:17,900 --> 01:55:19,900
Oh, okay.
Something they, she doesn't

1753
01:55:19,900 --> 01:55:24,300
believe it's that, it doesn't I
don't know.

1754
01:55:24,300 --> 01:55:29,100
She's like it could have been
like I think there was like a

1755
01:55:29,108 --> 01:55:32,900
YouTube video interview of her
in it and she's like, it might

1756
01:55:32,900 --> 01:55:36,900
have been like a given so.
Okay.

1757
01:55:38,500 --> 01:55:42,400
And like the more I saw like the
video and I've sold get in the

1758
01:55:42,400 --> 01:55:46,700
walking I'm like yeah that thing
is pretty weird and I could see

1759
01:55:46,700 --> 01:55:49,700
like because you know how some
animals.

1760
01:55:49,900 --> 01:55:52,600
Do you see how it might?
Like my glasses are reflecting

1761
01:55:52,600 --> 01:55:56,500
the light from my My my my
screen animals.

1762
01:55:56,500 --> 01:56:00,000
They are their eyes reflect
lights at night there, like some

1763
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:03,100
like cats dogs, they have eyes
that shoot you.

1764
01:56:03,100 --> 01:56:10,300
Yeah.
So there are also some other

1765
01:56:10,300 --> 01:56:13,000
strange incidents that happened
in this area.

1766
01:56:14,700 --> 01:56:19,900
Okay.
Not, I guess not like Dover

1767
01:56:19,900 --> 01:56:21,400
Demon.
This, I mean, there's another

1768
01:56:21,400 --> 01:56:26,900
one that happened and 1972.
So this is like five years

1769
01:56:26,900 --> 01:56:30,300
before at least three kids solve
this, okay?

1770
01:56:30,700 --> 01:56:37,100
And this guy his name is Mark
Senate and he said he swore he

1771
01:56:37,100 --> 01:56:41,900
saw a creature in the woods and
it had something that glowing

1772
01:56:41,900 --> 01:56:45,100
red and glowing eyes.
And like he turned his

1773
01:56:45,100 --> 01:56:49,000
headlights on of course to see
it in the the he saw the eyes

1774
01:56:50,100 --> 01:56:52,700
and it was a small figure that
was moving through the woods at

1775
01:56:52,700 --> 01:56:59,000
the edge of the pond and He's
like, maybe I saw a listing that

1776
01:56:59,000 --> 01:57:03,100
these kids are seeing hmm.
Who knows.

1777
01:57:03,900 --> 01:57:07,800
Okay.
Um but I read that there was

1778
01:57:07,800 --> 01:57:12,800
like some type of like buried
treasure or something there and

1779
01:57:12,800 --> 01:57:15,100
Dover, I'm trying to load a
geez.

1780
01:57:15,800 --> 01:57:18,500
Oh so no.
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

1781
01:57:18,500 --> 01:57:23,400
So this is from the 1600s, okay?
And there were sightings of the

1782
01:57:23,400 --> 01:57:26,700
devil on Horseback in this
house.

1783
01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:31,300
Yes.
Yeah.

1784
01:57:31,300 --> 01:57:34,800
Isn't that one of the like Heart
Like harbingers of the

1785
01:57:34,800 --> 01:57:38,800
Apocalypse?
People be seeing that all the

1786
01:57:38,800 --> 01:57:40,800
time.
People do see the whole time?

1787
01:57:40,800 --> 01:57:45,600
No 60 countries.
I'm just saying people seem to

1788
01:57:45,600 --> 01:57:48,800
see the devil constantly.
Oh yeah.

1789
01:57:48,800 --> 01:57:51,500
Always taken photo.
I mean that was always route us

1790
01:57:52,200 --> 01:57:56,300
hmm But I'm sure like I'm sure I
read it somewhere that there's

1791
01:57:56,300 --> 01:58:00,700
like some type of like buried
treasure or some treasure that

1792
01:58:00,700 --> 01:58:06,300
was in this area as well.
That people were like looking

1793
01:58:06,300 --> 01:58:07,900
for something.
Something like That I don't

1794
01:58:07,900 --> 01:58:09,000
know.
Correct me if I'm wrong if

1795
01:58:09,000 --> 01:58:11,600
you're from this area or if you
do more research than I do.

1796
01:58:12,400 --> 01:58:17,400
Yeah.
But yeah, that's that's kind of

1797
01:58:17,407 --> 01:58:20,000
what I got for interesting.
Yeah.

1798
01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:24,300
Like yeah.
I got a little alien Cryptid.

1799
01:58:26,200 --> 01:58:30,700
For today, you know, Ted Bundy,
in Aliens, they go help.

1800
01:58:30,700 --> 01:58:32,500
You are happy with the first
half of that.

1801
01:58:32,500 --> 01:58:35,700
Part of mine will be back with
the second half of it next week.

1802
01:58:37,100 --> 01:58:39,100
I was not happy with that.
Actually, I was really happy.

1803
01:58:41,100 --> 01:58:43,100
Neither was I it took me a long
time.

1804
01:58:43,300 --> 01:58:46,200
I had to keep like, forcing
myself to come back and work on

1805
01:58:46,200 --> 01:58:47,700
it.
Yeah, I remember how you told me

1806
01:58:47,700 --> 01:58:52,300
to stop.
That times that times.

1807
01:58:52,900 --> 01:58:54,800
Well, I already got the jump on
the next one.

1808
01:58:54,800 --> 01:58:57,800
So I've been working on that one
already, so there you go.

1809
01:59:00,800 --> 01:59:02,100
All right.
Yeah.

1810
01:59:02,100 --> 01:59:05,600
See next week is what I'm
probably going to be more mad.

1811
01:59:08,100 --> 01:59:09,300
That means I'm gonna be more
mad.

1812
01:59:09,300 --> 01:59:11,700
Got it.
They hate you hate flows through

1813
01:59:11,700 --> 01:59:14,200
me.
Oh, that kind of mad, got it.

1814
01:59:17,300 --> 01:59:20,100
Ted Bundy had called, that's
gonna be a shirt.

1815
01:59:20,100 --> 01:59:26,500
I'm gonna make it.
I wish I had thought to make it

1816
01:59:26,500 --> 01:59:32,100
ahead of time so I can have it
on during this podcast, will get

1817
01:59:32,100 --> 01:59:37,200
it made okay their faith.
But anyway, thank you so much

1818
01:59:37,200 --> 01:59:41,100
for listening watching only like
100 people on YouTube want to

1819
01:59:41,100 --> 01:59:44,100
see it but that's okay.
Watch this on YouTube.

1820
01:59:44,100 --> 01:59:46,300
Like this, your face.
As you can see my reactions.

1821
01:59:46,300 --> 01:59:49,200
You see my face like how my face
was twitching today.

1822
01:59:49,200 --> 01:59:55,900
It was really fun.
Oh God, thank you so much for

1823
01:59:55,900 --> 01:59:59,300
supporting us.
Like I said, it's a shirt stuff.

1824
01:59:59,300 --> 02:00:05,900
We have beanies cute, little
mugs, there's my face.

1825
02:00:06,600 --> 02:00:12,000
There's Brian's face.
You all have a good night.

1826
02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:13,100
Yes, good night.