The Crime and End of Clifford Olson Jr and the Pope lick monster.

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Hey everybody.
Serial killer country.

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My name is Brittany.
Ransom, my name is Brian Joiner

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and this is when Killers get
caught a podcast of what a deep

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dives into the Killer's.
We love to learn about each

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week.
Brian, and I discussed to true

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crime stories that resonated
with us this week and then I

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will lead you down the darker
path of learning about who a

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killer was, how they grew up how
they killed and most importantly

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how they got caught and then
Brian ends our podcast with a

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touch of the Paranormal, a story
about Cryptids or just the

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creepiest.
Of life.

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And as usual we'd like to say
thank you for listening.

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Yeah, so this week in True
Crime, I actually talked about

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this story on Tick-Tock and
people were pretty excited about

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it, but I know that the cross
section of I think people who do

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both is pretty small and so
Brian.

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Have you ever heard of baby
Holly?

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It sounds familiar.
So baby Holly was a little girl

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who was found in the woods near
her parents.

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Who were dead about 40 years
ago?

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Yeah, sounds familiar.
Yeah, I think I heard a story.

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Yep.
And Pretty much they were

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newlyweds.
They were my brain.

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Well the the grandma is the one
who's left.

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Now, her name is Donna, Casa.
Santa and baby, Holly Marie

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Klaus, who is now 42 years old?
And the mother of five was

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located.
Her parents were Harold, Dean

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Klaus and Tina, Gayle Klaus and
they disappeared in sometime

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between December and 1979 and
January of 1980.

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And here's the thing, the
parents were only identified

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last year.
What they have been unidentified

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remains for most of the time
that Holly is also been missing

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of course to her she wasn't
missing right horse but a lot of

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this is thanks to those DNA test
that everybody loves to take and

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Essentially, there was a match.
and, Interestingly enough when

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Donna Casa Santa learned?
That her son was dead.

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It was pretty wild.
And an interesting thing

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happened that we've learned
since then, so after her parents

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were killed, right?
Donna cusses hunt against a

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phone call from these women and
mind you, this is Texas, they

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had just moved there, they were
new to the area.

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So virtually nobody knew they
were missing.

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It only Donna knew that she
hadn't heard from her son and

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somebody who was out walking
their dog in the woods as usual.

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That's the way that seems to
always find, you know, people in

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the woods and the baby had been
dropped off at like a church but

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she got a phone call from these
two women.

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Specifically one who called
herself sister Susan and sister

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Susan had her son's car and was
like meet us in Daytona and

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we'll sell you your Suns car
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Donna.
Of course tells the police but

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there's nothing they could
really do.

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They couldn't hold them on
anything and they couldn't prove

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that they hadn't just found the
car and taken at.

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But sister Susan said that she
was a part of a religious

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organization that old that
believes in separating men and

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women and it's just it makes no
sense why.

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This is probably who they think
killed them but they have no

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idea.
It makes no sense because I

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didn't even keep the baby.
Holly ended up getting adopted

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but her grandmother says that
like they met over zoom and it

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was an intense moment and she
looks just like her mom.

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Like there's a photo of her
holding a picture of her parents

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and she's a baby and she looks a
lot like her mother and her

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grandmother was like they even
sound the same.

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Wow, that's why, but we're
still.

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They're still trying to figure
out who killed Um, but I mean,

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that's probably going to feel
like it's going to reveal itself

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real soon.
You think so, I my brain thinks

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it's not going to happen, but at
least we're done.

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I feel kind of happy for her
because she just found out.

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She has five great-grandkids.
That's so old that she has a

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family to reach out to.
That's a good one for you.

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Before I take you down the awful
path today.

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Well, guess what?
I think.

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We're on the same wavelength
today.

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Because guess what, what?
I got.

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A nice one for you, too.
All right.

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Okay.
So earlier this week, A corgi

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and Lancaster, which was shot in
the head, what?

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Yeah, he would hurt that baby.
I don't know, he's adorable.

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Um, his name is Arthur, and
yeah.

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So from what I've seen from the
PSP ca, for instance, from their

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Instagram profile, they found
them and like it appear to eat.

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Was shot in the head.
But he is alive.

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He is alive shot right between
his eyes and whoever shot him.

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Left him for dead.
But like he crawled under a

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fence into like a, I guess
family someone's family's farm

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and I guess they brought him
into the, you know, P SPCA and

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like it took him two weeks to
like, heal up, but No, no, no.

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It took into two weeks until
they called him now goodness

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gracious.
I crank it was, it was two weeks

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ago, it was to happen to weeks
ago.

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I'm still having a hard time
right now.

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I'm so sorry.
It happened two weeks ago that

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they, that they got this call
from this family, the PSP CA

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that they had found a dog who
wandered into their, like, their

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property and he had Some type of
mooners head and like he ran

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from somebody, obviously who
tried to kill him.

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He is alive there.
I guess there is a bullet that

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was left in his in his head, he
had.

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He was very, very badly taken
care of.

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He had fleas yet here.
Affections.

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He was anemic boy.
This dog.

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Had it rough.
And then it's like top it off.

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Someone tried to shoot him in
the head.

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Oh, someone tissue in my head.
Yeah.

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But there are searching
investigating to see, like, who

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would even do this, who would do
this?

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Why someone would do this to?
Like, it's a little Corgi cute

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guys.
So adorable.

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But they're hoping that he makes
a full recovery.

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He's obviously still alive.
He's they had a video of him

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like running around and stuff,
it's just Adorable.

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But like, As always, I was like
okay we need something cute

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today and I was like hey how
about this?

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This is something that is crime
related because someone tried to

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kill some body or something.
Yeah and it was a cute, it was

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really was, but he's alive and
still adorable.

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So if there you have it,
Well, at least he's okay, yeah,

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yeah.
Well.

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Last week, we talked about Cliff
Clifford, Olson, Juniors, the

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first half of his life will say
up until about 40 years old and

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we kind of left off on the place
that Cliff had gotten himself in

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trouble with attacking a sex
worker and pretty brutally,

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harming her.
And he's been a couple weeks in

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prison, they did not check his
record and therefore he Out.

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I also mentioned that Clifford
went back home and discovered

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that his girlfriend Joan Was
Pregnant.

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And So, while Joan had initially
been mad at him at this point,

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she was just worried and now he
was back so so happy Yay.

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And you would think like, no, I
have all these important things

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to worry about, but Clifford's,
like I'm going to go out to

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celebrate and just like the
night that he found the

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prostitute, he got drunk, he
took a bunch of pills and he

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began to think about those
darker things and we mentioned

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last week for anybody who didn't
listen, you should go back and

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listen because there's a lot of
context to who this guy is, but

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He?
His basis for.

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Sex was linked to violence.
Which is a really bad

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combination.
And even though he had found, I

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wouldn't call it love.
But he found something with

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Joan.
That was gentler and Kinder, and

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he did like it.
He just can't shake the fact

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that he he likes the violence
with sex, and he wants to

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indulge in it.
And so on November 17th, 1980,

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he found Christine Weller.
She was 12 years old and she was

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kidnapped from Surrey British
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Christine lived with her
unemployed parents, and it was a

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pretty dismal experience for
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She kind of escaped the
depressing nature of her

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household by going to the local
mall.

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And she pretty much spent the
entire day there with her

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classmates.
She couldn't afford to buy

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anything but it was just nice to
be around friends and even after

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her friends, all went home
because they, you know, normal

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rules for kids who have parents
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Is you get your butt home before
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Those are my rules.
When I was a little kid when my

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grandmother, when the street
lights come on, you better make

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your way back to the house.
Great, but Christine and want to

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go home, because she didn't want
to walk into a house where her

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parents were.
That fighting about the fact

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that they don't have any money
and, you know, you need to get a

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job and yada yada yada.
So she stayed as long as she

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could until pretty much the
place closed and so she started

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making her way home.
Just walking down the street and

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that's what she meant Clifford.
We don't exactly know what he

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said to her. but it had to have
been pretty convincing because

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Christine wasn't she wasn't a
naive kid.

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She was from a referee part of
town and she definitely would

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have been wise to how older men
kind of hit on young girls.

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I definitely think that she
turned down his offer to drive

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her home because she had a
bicycle and it couldn't fit into

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his truck, which is more than
likely when he threatened her

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with a knife and threw her bike
into the bushes, which were

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recovered on the side of the
road later.

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We know that she was threatened
with a knife because he cut her.

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Not deep enough to kill her.
But it was enough to let her

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know that he would and Clifford
took her to the favor.

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Raise your Fraser River?
Dykes in Richmond?

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Because there weren't a lot of
people there but just because

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it's so cold at this point in
Canada, and we know that he

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threw her into the mud and we
know that he attempted to rape

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her, but they were never able to
find any forensic evidence to

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show that she was assaulted.
And that makes Sense.

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Because there's a certain level
of Overkill with Christine's

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Murder.
She was stabbed in her heart

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twice, and in her liver four
times, and for people who aren't

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well versed in forensics, it's
not exactly easy to stab someone

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in the heart.
There's a lot of bones in the

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way of that.
Right?

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Which would mean that he either.
I broke. / ribs that were in

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front of her heart.
Like this was, this was

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aggression and it was violence
and it was because he couldn't

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perform, which is really common
in these kinds of crimes were

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talking about sexual sadism.
We don't spend too much time

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talking about these kind of
killers because they're real

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rough, right?
Christine's parents didn't

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notice that she was gone right
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But after a couple days, they
filed a police report and the

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police wrote her off as a
Teenage runaway because she was

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from a rough part of town with
crappy broke, poor parents, and

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then on Christmas morning.
In 1980.

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A man walking his dog along the
Fraser River found.

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Her corpse.
Now, the police jump into action

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and they pull up the list of
every known sexual convict in

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Richmond and they bring in all
these people and Clifford

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doesn't come up on any of those
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Yeah, I like how you said
convict.

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Ah, yes, yes.
Because you can't just he wasn't

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convicted.
In fact, they bring Clifford in.

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As an informant and they're
like, listen, we heard from

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other police that you new
things.

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So, you know, let us know if you
hear something, he's like, you

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know, I'll keep my ear to the
street.

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Now Clifford decides.
So essentially Clifford and

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Joanne are like let's do this.
Let's get married and they're

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trying to set a date for the
spring and she's pregnant.

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It's all very bustling time and
clever decides that he's going

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to settle down before.
He's going to settle down

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though.
He needs to head out and see the

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rest of the world.
And so, he starts driving

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through a bunch of old places.
He heads up to British Columbia

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to See BCP because the president
was officially shut down all the

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way and had become a strange
sort of tourist attraction.

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At this point, he actually buys
a ticket and walks through the

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prison as a tourist.
And while he's there, one of the

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old guards from the prison is
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No.
Does he recognize the two of

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them passed by each other?
Easily, a dozen times throughout

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the tour and not make the
connection until Clifford is

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standing next to one of his old
cells and the guard looks at him

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and makes a phone call to some
of his friends who are still

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working as officers.
And they're like, he's wanted,

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he's at Large.
Remember Clifford escaped.

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Mmm and was never caught right
by the time that Clifford leaves

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the prison done with his tour,
the police are waiting for him

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outside, they add a month on to
his most recent sentence and he

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is sent to the mat ski
institution in Abbotsford as far

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as Joe Knows.
He is having this weird sort of

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solo bachelor party, and there's
still a couple months before the

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wedding.
So Clifford's, like I'm not

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telling her nothing.
Hmm.

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All I have to do is get out in
time for the wedding, Mary Joan.

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And we're fine this time, he's
in prison, he's got new interest

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in gangs, he's not trying to
make any new friends.

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He just wants to keep his head
down, do his time, get out on

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parole, and that's exactly what
happens.

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He drives back to Joan.
And she's like, did you enjoy

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your cross-country trip?
And he's like, yep, Clifford has

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themselves, the house, Jones
house and relocate.

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Mainly We because of the rumors
about the attack on The

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Prostitute, he and what Joan
finding out.

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So they say he finds a new job
and he gets a new house in the

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city of Coquitlam.
He gets a job for the

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superintendent in town for an
atonement apartment.

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Block, the same place that he
runs the place.

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They start house hunting after
that like apartment find because

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they're like, well once we have
the baby we're going to need a

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bigger place.
But for now this is enough.

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And Steven Olson would arrive
shortly after their move

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Clifford, is happy as a wife, a
child, a job.

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No outstanding warrants for his
arrest.

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Any more he starts going to
church every Sunday.

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Joan is really happy.
They get to learn the Bible, he

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can quote it at this point, but
while they're playing the

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wedding, the urges begin again
and Clifford fixates on building

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this Persona in his new town.
He's now the sweet older man

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who's kind to all the kids in
the neighborhood and it doesn't

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seem odd at first, but he's
always talking all the little

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girls in the neighborhood and
complimenting them and giving

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them little gifts, it doesn't
seem strange because He did he

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did for all the kids in the
community, he made sure to never

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show anybody too much, personal
attention, but it's one of those

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things that people should have
been afraid of.

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I'm going to go out on a limb
and say that if there is an

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adult who is spending a lot of
time with your child and giving

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them presents and things.
I'm not going to say you

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shouldn't necessarily be worried
but you should be watchful.

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Yeah.
Keep an eye out.

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Yeah, just to make sure that it
stays a lovely kid, grown-up

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relationship, and nothing more.
So, here's the thing, though

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Clifford just like plenty of the
other serial killers.

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We've talked about, can only
keep up this facade for so long

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before he goes back to this need
for violence.

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There was a point where he tried
to introduce like slightly more

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aggressive sex to Joan, but she
got more pregnant and he was

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worried that he couldn't do what
he really wanted, so he stopped

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doing that.
So I think that's kind of why

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there's a delay here between the
killing in November.

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And then April, I think this
partially because he got that

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initial satisfaction from
killing Christine Weller.

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But also, Also, because he did
kind of sort of coerce Joan into

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something strangely, like
violent, but not super violent,

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but either way, it wasn't really
enough to kind of say this.

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This growing her inside of him.
And so uncovers mine.

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He's just like, listen, I have
to do these things.

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And then I'm going to spend the
rest of my days doing good

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things for Joan, and for Steven,
who isn't born yet.

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But I'll let you know when that
happens because there's is very

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clear lines as to when he does
certain things, one is ha.

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Wow but uh either way that it
only lasted him until April 5

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months and then he just had to
do something and so he had spent

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the previous month's kind of
prospecting and looking for a

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kid in his neighborhood who
would be the perfect victim.

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And her name was Colleen, Marian
diagonal.

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She was 13 years old.
And when she wasn't at school,

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she virtually spent all her time
alone in her home.

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Typical latchkey kid.
And Colleen had pretty much told

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him as much.
So on April 6th 1981, he offered

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he sees her and he's like, hey,
you know, I'm gonna have a

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weekend job opening with the
apartment complex and you can

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get some money and you know,
baby be out of the house.

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Get a couple job skills and
she's pretty excited.

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He's like, hey, I'll drive you
to the office, we can fill out

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some paperwork and when she gets
in his car, he offers her a

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drink from a bottle of schnapps,
he has in his car.

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And Colleen took a swig unaware
that this entire bottle of

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schnapps is drugged, we do know
that Clifford sexually assaulted

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her and dragged her into the
woods and beat her to death with

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a hammer.
She would not be found until

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September.
Her skull was virtually

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pulverized.
Which again, let the

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investigators know that her
killer had a lot of just pent-up

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anger.
The kind of anger that it

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doesn't make sense that you
would take out on a child.

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Now when Colleen goes missing
the police do their due

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diligence but just like
Christine.

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They're like, I mean here's this
kid who spends all her time in

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the house, maybe she met
somebody maybe she ran away.

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They went to the superintendent
of her apartment building, hey,

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it's Clifford and he's like, oh
yeah, I know her.

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She's always at her house and he
tells her, he tells the police

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all about her routine and her
family life.

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And while the police are
investigating, Colleen's

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disappearance Clifford kills
again this time, April, 22nd

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1981 and he kidnaps Darren Todd
Johnson.

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Rid Darren was 16 years old and
he lived in Westminster.

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He used the same ruse that he
used on Colleen.

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Picking up the teen walking near
a mall, offering him a job at a

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construction site that they
picked up a six-pack to

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celebrate and when Darren wasn't
paying attention, he refused the

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drink.
Unfortunately, a perfect victim

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for Clifford because his family
was new to Westminster.

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And so a lot of people didn't
notice him missing Clifford took

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the unconscious boy to the
deroche area where he prepare

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he'd already previously
prepared.

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A kill site Clifford would admit
to the police later that he'd

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been more violent with Darren
because he wanted the boy to

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wake up and fight him.
Darren was found less than two

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weeks later and he had injuries
everywhere.

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Broken, bones a cracked skull.
Stab wounds.

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Unlike some Killers who are
changing there. methodology as a

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forensic, countermeasure
Clifford is doing different

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things to see how they feel.
He's enjoying the different

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kinds of murder weapons, and the
different ways he can hurt.

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People don't like that.
No, we don't like that because

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not being able to have a solid
victimology hurts the

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investigation and also not being
able to have a solid methodology

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harms.
The, I mean, we find these guys

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based on patterns and he's not
operating on a pattern and all

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his first two victims are.
I mean, we got 13, 14 16, I

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guess.
They're all technically

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adolescence, but that changes.
There are much younger victims.

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Generally, we know that
pedophiles have a one

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particular, they like, either
boys or girls, so, it's pretty

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rare that it gets mixed up,
right?

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So, he's operating completely
different from what we know, and

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in 1981, the The profiles that
we use to find these kinds of

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killers had only been around for
about a decade. so, if that So

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it's very new and not
everybody's Usenet.

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In the interim, the police don't
really know what to do there.

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Like, there's a lot of kids just
suddenly go and missing around

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here, but one stabbed but not
assaulted.

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The teen, boys, a victim of a
homosexual.

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Rape.
And you know how we feel about

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the queers and 80s.
They didn't like us.

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So, the agency today to talk
about, right?

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They didn't even interview
Clifford about Darren, because

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Clifford wasn't a known
homosexual. now, the weeks

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before the wedding which was
scheduled to be on, May 15,

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1981, Joe needs Clifford by so
he's like, I'm here, I'll do

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whatever you want and four days
after his wedding, however, he

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abducted assaulted and murdered
Sandra wolf Steiner, He picked

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her up when she was trying to
get home because she was going

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to be late for her curfew and
she had been in her boyfriend's

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house and he had originally
agreed to give her a ride home,

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but when they got into an
argument, he told her find her

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own way home.
So, she just started walking

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Clifford, saw her.
And he was just like, you want a

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ride, she didn't really want to
hitchhike.

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It was just that she was dealing
with the stress of the situation

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of, like, great.
I got in a fight with my

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boyfriend, if I come home.
Late.

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Now, I'm gonna get in a fight
with my parents, right?

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And here's Clifford and he's
this old guy with gray hair,

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just smile.
It offering her a ride, back to

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town.
Hey, don't even have to work,

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too hard to get her to drink
anything because she was having

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an awful friggin day.
And so, she willingly took the

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flask from him this time.
He used a chloral hydrate, and

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then, he took her to the
Chilliwack Lake.

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Dragged her out in the grass.
She was out so cold.

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She didn't wake up during the
physical assault or the murder

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like Not a good drug to use.
Hmm.

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Hydrate.
And then I deleted it.

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It's a sedative that's used to
treat short-term insomnia and so

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he just he gave her too much.
She was sleep, sleep sleep.

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No.
This is, we know a lot of these

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details because later on, he
tells the police, everything in

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excruciating horrific detail,
and I just have to tell you that

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I am giving you the cliff notes
version.

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Well, thank you.
Appreciate it so much.

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It's the worst and well, Alex.
But like, later on, I'll talk to

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you about the day that he gave
them this, these these

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confessions, but Yeah.
One Sondra he used a 5-inch iron

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Spike and smash it into her
skull.

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She didn't die from the first
strike and he proceeded to

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hammer the nail and to other
parts of her body and watch as

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she reacted.
And these were obviously, SLI

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involuntary, you know, spasms
right because of pain, but she

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was not fully aware of what's
going on.

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I mean afterward, he buries her
in a shallow grave and he's like

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bury the body this time.
Don't want them to find her like

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they found Darren.
After Sandra's death, he focuses

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on the birth of his son, Steven
and the new baby was a bit of a

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high for him.
He didn't need to kill anybody

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for a little bit.
He went back to being that

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lovely guy who was super kind to
everybody and he obviously

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thought focusing on a sunless
help him but he slipped up.

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He started showing too much
attention to a four-year-old in

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the apartment complex and she
told her parents so the police

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were called in and Clifford was
interrogated.

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He made them think that this was
just a confusion, you know, this

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is she's confused.
The police believed him and so

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did her parents.
And actually people in the

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community were mad that he'd
been accused of impropriety Wow.

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Yeah, I don't fucking believe
the victim.

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Well, after this brush with the
police Clifford was so mad that

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he went out on June 21st. 1881
to find someone to take that

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anger out on.
So he leaves Coquitlam and he's

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outside of the city.
And he sees a to court.

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She's 13 years old and she's
walking home on North Road.

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After a babysitting job.
He offered her a ride because

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she looked tired and she didn't
really respond to him because

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again, The 70s were really the
era of hitchhiking.

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She's just like, leave me alone,
dude.

449
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:03,900
And so he kind of kept hammering
away at her until he brought up

450
00:32:03,900 --> 00:32:07,000
the idea that you know he's
like, oh well you're leaving a

451
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,200
babysitting job, I have an
Administration job and that's

452
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,400
probably way better than, you
know, dealing with people's

453
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,600
brats all day long.
You can do it on the weekend and

454
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,800
you can make more money and he's
like, oh, you know, we can do

455
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,300
your interview in the car.
As I drive you, home Clifford

456
00:32:26,300 --> 00:32:29,100
even played in to the role that
he was so grateful that he

457
00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:33,100
found, you know, such a mature
young woman to to do this job.

458
00:32:33,700 --> 00:32:36,400
He gave her the flash, she took
a swig and just like with all

459
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,300
the other children and ended the
same way.

460
00:32:41,500 --> 00:32:44,100
Ada was killed with multiple
Hammer.

461
00:32:44,100 --> 00:32:52,800
Blows to her skull at.
He also used rope to strangle

462
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:59,700
her with and syringes to try and
inject air embolisms into her

463
00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:08,200
bloodstream.
He told the police that he did

464
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,600
all manner of horrible things to
her but we don't entirely know

465
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,100
what he did because he hid her
body very well.

466
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:20,200
He drove out to Weaver Lake and
he dug a grave and dropped her

467
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,700
and ate.
It wasn't found for a very long

468
00:33:23,700 --> 00:33:25,700
time.
She was one of the bodies that

469
00:33:25,700 --> 00:33:34,100
was virtually mummified.
On his way back home.

470
00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:38,200
Clifford kind of thought about
the night and he realized that.

471
00:33:39,700 --> 00:33:42,900
Killing even though he was doing
more horrible, horrible things

472
00:33:42,900 --> 00:33:45,900
was to give him the same kind of
satisfaction as use get before.

473
00:33:46,300 --> 00:33:49,400
And maybe it's this dress, you
know, of having a new baby in

474
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,500
the house and he still has to go
to work.

475
00:33:52,500 --> 00:33:55,200
And you know what?
Yeah, I've heard that, you know,

476
00:33:55,200 --> 00:34:00,900
having having a kid does like,
dampen the murdering, you know

477
00:34:00,900 --> 00:34:03,100
what I mean?
The murdering sensation.

478
00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:05,400
Yeah, the joy, you get from
murdering it does.

479
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,300
Like, he'll that a lot pun
intended.

480
00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:11,300
There you go.
He's like, what's up?

481
00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:13,300
I'm just going to have to do
this more often.

482
00:34:14,699 --> 00:34:17,400
And, you know, I just more of
these little sacrifices to make

483
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,199
sure that I can take care of my
family, sometime between that

484
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:24,600
crime in June in the and the
start of July, he gets in

485
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,400
trouble for sexually assaulting.
A 16 year old girl, whose name

486
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:28,900
was never released to the
public.

487
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,300
I'm not sure if this was
Clifford's attempt to attack,

488
00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:35,699
someone who wasn't drugged, but
it didn't go very well because

489
00:34:35,699 --> 00:34:38,500
she screamed, she broke free.
She ran to the police, the

490
00:34:38,500 --> 00:34:40,300
police pulled him out of bed.
In the middle of the night,

491
00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:43,000
locked him up.
He spent all night thinking

492
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,300
about how he was going to talk
to the police.

493
00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:46,400
About this, they shop to
interrogate him.

494
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,699
The following following morning,
they have nothing. he tells the

495
00:34:50,699 --> 00:34:54,400
police that he and the teenager
had been drinking and he didn't

496
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,900
realize she was underage and she
had freaked out when things had

497
00:34:57,900 --> 00:35:03,000
turned sexual, He walks out of
the police station with a court

498
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,700
date and left him more than a
warning.

499
00:35:05,100 --> 00:35:10,100
Wow, Ow, they fucking love him.
Now, the next six murders

500
00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:12,000
happened in the course of one
month.

501
00:35:12,900 --> 00:35:18,900
So we have July 2nd, 1981, Simon
Parkington 9 abducted raped.

502
00:35:18,900 --> 00:35:22,600
And strangled exactly one week
after that, Judy kozma who was

503
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,400
14 and from New Westminster also
strangled and sexually

504
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,900
assaulted.
She was found near.

505
00:35:28,900 --> 00:35:34,400
We were like on July 25th, then
we have Raymond King who was 15

506
00:35:34,500 --> 00:35:39,000
abducted on the 23rd.
Raped and bludgeoned to death of

507
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,900
the hammer.
Sigrid, I'm mess her name up.

508
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,900
She's from Germany and that's
kind of almost one of the

509
00:35:49,908 --> 00:35:54,600
saddest ones because she's just
here on vacation, her name was

510
00:35:54,600 --> 00:36:00,200
sick, hren signal during ironed.
I swiped this a people's names,

511
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,100
right?
And she was 18 and she's just a

512
00:36:03,107 --> 00:36:06,600
German tourists and she was also
raped and bludgeoned to death on

513
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,500
the 25th, two days.
After that he kidnapped are

514
00:36:09,500 --> 00:36:12,700
Elin.
Carson 15 and then he killed and

515
00:36:12,700 --> 00:36:17,100
kidnapped.
Louise Louise Chartrand she was

516
00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:20,200
17 year olds years old and that
was on July 30th.

517
00:36:20,500 --> 00:36:24,800
So I'm kind of going to go
through these murders because I

518
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,000
also want to explain the
movement of the police as

519
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:34,000
they're happening, all right.
Now with all of them it's the

520
00:36:34,008 --> 00:36:37,400
same thing coerced akin to the
truck offer them a drink drug

521
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,600
them if it's alcohol soda.
Either way it's always laced

522
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,400
with something sometimes though
it was just drugs.

523
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,700
Sometimes he uses his tools,
which he kept under the front

524
00:36:50,700 --> 00:36:54,600
seat, his little murder box to
torture them, other times.

525
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,400
He strangled them Simon
Parkington was strangled by hand

526
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,200
since he was so small, and he
was buried in this particular

527
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:07,900
wet soil by the river.
Once Simon disappeared, the

528
00:37:07,900 --> 00:37:14,300
police determined, these are not
Runaways And we have a problem.

529
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,700
So, The Press is in, on this at
this point and they're like

530
00:37:19,700 --> 00:37:21,500
these kids are all being
kidnapped and killed in the

531
00:37:21,500 --> 00:37:24,700
Lower.
Mainland area Canada, has a

532
00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:28,700
serial killer, and as soon as
they pick up on that, in terms

533
00:37:28,700 --> 00:37:31,700
of the media, the media also
pinpoint the police.

534
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,800
How does it take you six kids
missing to realize that this is

535
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,100
a problem.
And of course the other issue is

536
00:37:38,500 --> 00:37:40,900
just as the police are beginning
to catch up.

537
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,300
He's killing five more at the
same time as happens all in the

538
00:37:44,300 --> 00:37:47,700
course of one month.
When Judy kozma goes missing The

539
00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:51,300
newspapers immediately zoom in
on her, she's a potential victim

540
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,400
and one of Clifford's friends
tells the police that he saw a

541
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,500
girl who looked like, Judy and
Clifford's car.

542
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,500
But the police were like,
listen, we need you to go on

543
00:38:00,500 --> 00:38:03,300
record and he's like, no, no,
no.

544
00:38:03,300 --> 00:38:05,200
He backs out.
He's like, I'm not sure.

545
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,500
It was just a girl who kind of
looked like the girl in the

546
00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:10,900
picture.
Judy's family goes public on TV,

547
00:38:10,900 --> 00:38:17,000
they request information.
Clifford responds by looking up

548
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,200
this family's information,
calling them, and mocking them,

549
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,900
about the death of their child.
Come on, he tells Judy's parents

550
00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:28,700
that she's dead and that she
sobbed and begged him and

551
00:38:28,700 --> 00:38:33,200
pleaded with him.
In fact, he had recorded her

552
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,500
screams and he played them for
her parents or at least who he

553
00:38:36,500 --> 00:38:39,700
thought was her parents.
In fact who he actually called

554
00:38:39,700 --> 00:38:44,200
was the cosmos landlord The
police put a wiretap on the

555
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,200
landlord's phone and side note
even though the mom didn't have

556
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:53,200
to hear her childlike screaming,
it's the real bad just hearing

557
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,900
that.
Yeah, that's someone calls your

558
00:38:55,900 --> 00:38:59,900
house.
But either way, they put a

559
00:38:59,908 --> 00:39:02,300
wiretap on the phone, but
Clifford never calls that number

560
00:39:02,300 --> 00:39:03,900
back.
He's not stupid.

561
00:39:04,700 --> 00:39:07,700
Now, this is the first time that
the police realized that he had

562
00:39:07,700 --> 00:39:12,000
recordings of the crimes.
And they learn that this serial

563
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,600
killers trophies, aren't
clothing or items, it's their

564
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:21,300
voices.
This is a detail that could be

565
00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:25,000
used to find him, but it's real
bad.

566
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,200
Now, Raymond King is picked up,
just like all the other boys

567
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,000
with an offer for a job, but
Raymond actually fought him back

568
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,800
and ran away, and he probably
would have gotten away.

569
00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:39,900
Except they ended up fighting
and Raymond fell down an

570
00:39:39,900 --> 00:39:45,100
embankment, where he broke his
legs Clifford, then climbed down

571
00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:49,100
the embankment and Bash, the
boy's head in with a rock.

572
00:39:50,500 --> 00:39:55,000
Sacred arm was just naive.
She thought that all the people

573
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,600
she met in Canada were so kind
and nice.

574
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,300
And so, when they stranger
offered her a ride, she was

575
00:40:00,300 --> 00:40:04,900
like, okay, it was after
synchron's murder, that the

576
00:40:04,900 --> 00:40:12,300
police began to watch Clifford.
And they didn't think he was the

577
00:40:12,300 --> 00:40:16,200
murderer, but they were like,
he's got to know, he's got to

578
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,600
know something, he always knows
something.

579
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,800
Whoo, yah horse so they bring
him in for questioning and they

580
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,900
asked him over and over again.
Are there any new criminals in

581
00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:27,600
town?
Do you know a lot of these

582
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,300
children?
How do you know these children

583
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,600
Clifford's like?
Well how much will you pay me?

584
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,900
If I find this out for you, you
know, if I go undercover like I

585
00:40:34,900 --> 00:40:37,500
used to and the police were
like, listen, we've got

586
00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:41,200
discretionary funds but you got
to give us Gonna go on here and

587
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,400
so Clifford and his greed makes
a stupid move.

588
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,200
He's like, listen, I don't know
who did this but I think I know

589
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,300
where the bodies might be.
And he tells them some of the

590
00:40:51,300 --> 00:40:54,300
locations saying that, you know,
he Heard it Through the

591
00:40:54,300 --> 00:40:57,800
Grapevine, but this does not
make any logical sense.

592
00:40:58,100 --> 00:41:01,300
Yeah.
Okay, first of all, I'm still

593
00:41:01,300 --> 00:41:05,100
pissed even though I realized,
like I remembered that you told

594
00:41:05,100 --> 00:41:07,500
me that I was going to be upset
this episode because the fucking

595
00:41:07,500 --> 00:41:10,500
police hate him.
To tell him.

596
00:41:11,300 --> 00:41:14,700
Hey, do you find out how much
in, just how this goes down?

597
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:22,000
No, I don't want to know sad.
So, here's the thing.

598
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,500
The police are like, yeah, yeah.
We'll look into that.

599
00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:28,400
And they're like, okay, either
he's the killer, or he's an

600
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:33,600
accomplice because election sure
we'll pay you having no

601
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,100
intention to pay him, they put
him under 24-hour surveillance.

602
00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:42,200
Unfortunately, it wasn't, it
didn't get approved fast enough

603
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:46,400
because Terry Lynn Carson got
abducted in the same area where

604
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,700
he picked up Christine Weller.
He actually had seen her a bunch

605
00:41:49,700 --> 00:41:51,800
of times as he drove around
town.

606
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,200
And one day after casing her, he
stopped and offered her a ride.

607
00:41:55,700 --> 00:41:57,500
Same as before, applies are with
drinks.

608
00:41:57,500 --> 00:42:00,200
Takes her out to Chilliwack
assaults her while she's under

609
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,200
the influence and waits until
she wakes up then strangles her

610
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:12,100
and stabbed her to death.
I believe that Terry's murder

611
00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:15,800
was him attempting to relive his
first one.

612
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,900
He picked her up in the same
community and he committed the

613
00:42:19,900 --> 00:42:23,400
same crime.
He killed her in the same way

614
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:29,400
and this isn't uncommon for
serial killers that first kill

615
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,700
is like getting high on a drug
and just like somebody who

616
00:42:33,700 --> 00:42:38,900
abuses drugs, the same amount of
drugs, no longer are effective

617
00:42:38,900 --> 00:42:42,300
with killing Can't never
recapture that feeling.

618
00:42:42,300 --> 00:42:45,500
So they go into a frenzy, trying
to get the adrenaline rush from

619
00:42:45,500 --> 00:42:49,200
before Clifford, is in the
middle of a frenzy, as far as

620
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,900
like, how the FBI defines this,
but unlike say, a serial killer

621
00:42:52,900 --> 00:42:57,200
at Kemper, he's not self-aware
enough to understand the

622
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,500
compulsion and just three days
after killing Terry.

623
00:43:00,500 --> 00:43:04,000
He's back on the street hunting
for another victim, and that was

624
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,100
Louis, chartres, and on July
30th.

625
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,900
Louise was the oldest victim at
17 years old and she was on her

626
00:43:10,900 --> 00:43:14,400
way to work in Maple Ridge,
British Columbia.

627
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,300
He offered her a ride.
To take her the rest of the way

628
00:43:18,100 --> 00:43:20,100
and Louise wasn't unaware of the
risks.

629
00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:22,900
She more than likely had seen
the new stories but Clifford

630
00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:25,200
knew how to turn on the charm
when he needed it.

631
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,600
And so she accepted the ride but
she very quickly realized they

632
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,000
were driving away from her job
pretty quickly.

633
00:43:32,300 --> 00:43:35,400
She refused his offer to drink
anything and she even tried to

634
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,100
talk her way out of the Our,
when she went to try and open

635
00:43:39,100 --> 00:43:42,400
the door, he hit her in the head
with a hammer and knocked her

636
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,400
out.
He took her up to Whistler

637
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,400
Mountain and pretty much did
anything possible that he could

638
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,100
to try and give himself some
semblance of satisfaction, but

639
00:43:52,100 --> 00:43:56,900
it just wasn't doing anything.
And virtually.

640
00:43:56,900 --> 00:44:00,300
As soon as he buried Louise, he
went back out on the road,

641
00:44:00,300 --> 00:44:02,600
looking for another victim that
night.

642
00:44:03,900 --> 00:44:06,700
Now, unbeknownst to clever at
the police assemble a quiet

643
00:44:06,700 --> 00:44:09,400
time.
Task force very quietly who are

644
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,700
following him all day long.
The even watch him.

645
00:44:13,700 --> 00:44:18,300
Commit other crimes like
burglary, and they're like oh so

646
00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:21,800
that explains why he has so much
money because he's working his

647
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,000
regular job and also
burglarizing like he must have

648
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,200
been going out virtually every
night.

649
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,700
And when he wasn't trying to
like find victims, he's just

650
00:44:30,700 --> 00:44:35,900
stealing stuff.
But they're like listen we don't

651
00:44:35,900 --> 00:44:38,600
care if he burglarized has a
home we'll deal with that later.

652
00:44:39,300 --> 00:44:44,900
Plus he's already been to prison
20 times for burglary and they

653
00:44:44,900 --> 00:44:50,300
watched him go and buy drugs.
Do drugs they took notes about

654
00:44:50,300 --> 00:44:53,900
how he was living like a
complete double life and it was

655
00:44:53,900 --> 00:44:56,000
something that his wife didn't
know about.

656
00:44:56,100 --> 00:45:01,600
But I'm just gonna, this isn't a
situation like Judith with the

657
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:06,100
Green River Killer.
I think Joan just like didn't

658
00:45:06,100 --> 00:45:11,900
want to see anything because
Clifford is not doing a good

659
00:45:11,900 --> 00:45:16,900
job.
Like at hiding things like she's

660
00:45:16,900 --> 00:45:19,400
like he's home.
He's look at that.

661
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,600
He's feeding the baby.
Wonderful good.

662
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:23,200
Good.
Good.

663
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:30,400
Almost husband. good husband,
but like outside of that, he

664
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:39,500
seems erratic randomly getting
wasted every night like And they

665
00:45:39,500 --> 00:45:43,200
also knows that like he would
just take off and drive four

666
00:45:43,300 --> 00:45:46,900
hours in a random Direction.
And then you would stop in a new

667
00:45:46,900 --> 00:45:50,200
city and he would talk to all
these different people and they

668
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:54,200
just kind of watch this go on
for about two weeks.

669
00:45:55,500 --> 00:45:58,700
This was an exceptionally
expensive surveillance up, he is

670
00:45:58,700 --> 00:46:02,800
costing them so much money in
gas and this is when gas was

671
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,300
like a dollar 25.
Oh wow.

672
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,100
So they're like what is he going
to do something?

673
00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:12,500
They have to wait too long
August 12th.

674
00:46:13,700 --> 00:46:18,700
He pretty much spent hours
driving back and forth over

675
00:46:18,700 --> 00:46:23,700
Vancouver Island until he sees
two young girls hitchhiking and

676
00:46:23,700 --> 00:46:26,800
they were on a Road.
Near Port Alberni, and the

677
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,300
police are sitting there
distance and they can see

678
00:46:29,300 --> 00:46:31,400
virtually everything.
It's nighttime, he has the light

679
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,800
on the Jeep and the girls are
kind of talking to him through

680
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,800
the window. and they're kind of
going back and forth and these

681
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:44,400
particular officers are
struggling because they're like

682
00:46:45,700 --> 00:46:49,800
If we pick the wrong time, we
lose the opportunity to get him.

683
00:46:50,900 --> 00:46:54,000
But what if he picks these girls
up and we lose them?

684
00:46:55,500 --> 00:46:59,800
And he kills both of them. so
they're pretty much sitting

685
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,700
there they're like but if we you
know if we pick them up too

686
00:47:02,700 --> 00:47:07,200
early well given to girls a ride
home isn't illegal You know?

687
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,700
And so they're kind of argue
against this is going on.

688
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,200
And this goes on for like
another 20, 30 minutes is the

689
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,800
girls are kind of I guess
bartering with him too.

690
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,100
And the two girls walk around
and climb into the truck.

691
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,600
One in the passenger seat and
one in the local backseat.

692
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,800
And the officers are like, you
know what, screw it and they

693
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,800
turn on the siren and pull him
over, pull the girls out of the

694
00:47:30,808 --> 00:47:36,600
truck and then they kind of as
they have him like cuffed in the

695
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,600
backseat of their car like okay
crap.

696
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:44,200
We didn't we can't catch him in
the ACT but what do we do?

697
00:47:44,500 --> 00:47:49,000
So they put them in a Cell in
Burnaby and they put them in on

698
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:53,000
burglary charges because they're
like we saw him burglarize like

699
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,500
five houses.
So we Got him on that, and with

700
00:47:56,500 --> 00:48:02,400
his extensively long history of
Escape attempts, no bail, right?

701
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,300
And so then the higher ranking
officers show up and they're

702
00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:12,300
like, wow, Clifford back at it
again.

703
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,600
Yeah, exactly.
Normally when Clifford would get

704
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,000
caught like, for the burgers or
stuff, he would just kind of

705
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,300
give up and be like, yeah,
whatever I did it.

706
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,100
And so they've kind of walked
into the room with him and they

707
00:48:25,100 --> 00:48:29,300
were like So so what happened
here?

708
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,000
And normally Clifford was Booth,
the police.

709
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,500
He kind of played this like me
Kroll with them but the the

710
00:48:35,500 --> 00:48:37,400
Clifford they met that day was a
different man.

711
00:48:37,900 --> 00:48:42,400
This was not fearful Clifford as
soon as these officers walk in,

712
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,200
he waits for them to all come in
and he goes.

713
00:48:45,500 --> 00:48:47,300
I'll let you know where the rest
of the bodies are.

714
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,500
He's like, I need you to pay me
money that I can put into a

715
00:48:51,500 --> 00:48:55,600
trust for my son and my wife,
and the police are kind of like

716
00:48:56,300 --> 00:48:57,900
what?
Yeah.

717
00:48:57,900 --> 00:49:02,800
What the fuck and who's walking?
They're like, well Just say, we

718
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,700
believe you how much money do
you think each of the bodies are

719
00:49:06,700 --> 00:49:08,700
worth?
And he goes ten thousand dollars

720
00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:14,800
per child know immediately.
They think it's a scam, they're

721
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,000
like, okay, we don't have the
right guy.

722
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,400
These younger officers, got it
wrong, he's just messing with

723
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:26,100
us, you know.
But they keep them, they hold

724
00:49:26,100 --> 00:49:30,600
them and they go.
Well, we've got his car in

725
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,600
impound because that's normally
what happens when you get

726
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,100
arrested.
And so they decide not to

727
00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:38,300
respond to Clifford's offer, but
they do decide to go and give

728
00:49:38,300 --> 00:49:41,300
his truck a look over.
And that's when they find his

729
00:49:41,300 --> 00:49:44,200
little box of Tricks, under the
front seat, the syringes the

730
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,800
drugs, the Hammer of the spikes,
everything cleaned particular

731
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,800
asleep, but definitely very,
very suspicious, and they just

732
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,500
can't find anything.
There's no gas station ticket,

733
00:49:54,500 --> 00:49:57,500
that shows him in the city where
the kids were picked up or the

734
00:49:57,700 --> 00:50:00,500
Went missing.
I mean they pull this truck

735
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:05,700
apart and then they find
something wedged into the

736
00:50:05,700 --> 00:50:11,700
passenger seat so far, back that
it's touching the mechanism that

737
00:50:11,700 --> 00:50:15,700
allows the seat to recline and
it's a school notebook.

738
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,000
What?
The name, Judy kozma written on

739
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,100
it in a young girl's
handwriting.

740
00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:26,500
They actually stopped
everything.

741
00:50:26,500 --> 00:50:31,100
No interrogation, no nothing.
We're just like, okay, so we

742
00:50:31,100 --> 00:50:39,700
know that Judy was in his truck.
They're like, he's gonna agree

743
00:50:39,700 --> 00:50:42,900
and it meant that he did it.
We just have to give him a

744
00:50:42,900 --> 00:50:46,500
hundred thousand dollars.
They go back to the

745
00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:49,600
interrogation.
They give him cigars food

746
00:50:49,900 --> 00:50:52,600
anything to try and get them
talking, but he's not giving

747
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,100
anything.
And the only piece of evidence

748
00:50:55,100 --> 00:50:59,300
they have is this notebook and
it's not enough, but still they

749
00:50:59,300 --> 00:51:01,300
head over to the prosecutors and
they bring up all the

750
00:51:01,300 --> 00:51:04,600
circumstantial evidence.
And on August 25th, he's charged

751
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,700
with the murder of Jews.
Judy kozma.

752
00:51:08,100 --> 00:51:09,900
There's still this weird
question in the air though,

753
00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:12,200
about whether they should accept
this weird deal.

754
00:51:12,700 --> 00:51:17,300
At this point, the police only
have four bodies and 11 total

755
00:51:17,300 --> 00:51:20,800
missing children, they rip apart
his house.

756
00:51:20,900 --> 00:51:26,200
They find nothing, no tapes, no
items, no nothing, they

757
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,400
investigate Joan, they find
nothing.

758
00:51:28,900 --> 00:51:32,400
And then Man by the name of
Corporal Fred mail.

759
00:51:34,100 --> 00:51:38,100
Goes and pulls Clifford out of
his cell for interrogation and

760
00:51:38,100 --> 00:51:41,200
when Clifford meets Corporal
male he's like okay, this is the

761
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,400
guy, this is the guy that gets
stuff done.

762
00:51:44,700 --> 00:51:47,800
And so Clifford just says 11
bodies for a hundred thousand

763
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:52,000
dollars and male repeats it back
to him like for a hundred

764
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,800
thousand dollars in cash.
You want to provide us with the

765
00:51:55,808 --> 00:51:58,900
bodies of the missing kids and
Clifford's like not just the

766
00:51:58,900 --> 00:52:01,400
bodies.
I'll give you a signed statement

767
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:07,600
on each of them and evidence.
I'll sign off on everyone.

768
00:52:08,100 --> 00:52:13,700
So Corporal males like listen,
We can't just give you all this

769
00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:16,800
money based on your say, we
would need some kind of

770
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,800
assurance that you're on the
level and Clifford's.

771
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,400
Like, you know, likewise I want
to make sure that Joan gets the

772
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,300
money before we go any further
and that you all aren't trying

773
00:52:25,300 --> 00:52:27,600
to trick me.
So he's like, how about this?

774
00:52:28,100 --> 00:52:31,400
I'll give you a freebie.
I'll tell you where this child

775
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,400
is and give you the statement,
you get the ten thousand dollars

776
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,500
in cash.
And when we go to the scene, you

777
00:52:38,500 --> 00:52:40,500
call your men and hand that
money.

778
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,700
Over to my Joan and I'll call
Joan to make sure she got it and

779
00:52:44,700 --> 00:52:46,300
then we can get on with the rest
of that.

780
00:52:47,700 --> 00:52:50,500
This conversation, definitely
settles it for the rest of the

781
00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:52,600
police that they have the right
guy.

782
00:52:53,700 --> 00:52:56,900
But Corporal mail however isn't
fully ready to commit.

783
00:52:56,900 --> 00:53:00,300
So Corporal males like what
about your lawyer?

784
00:53:00,500 --> 00:53:03,500
Like your lawyer is not going to
just sit back and let you do

785
00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:07,500
this and Clifford lasted him.
This is all being recorded and

786
00:53:07,500 --> 00:53:09,900
Clifford's.
Like this is my lawyer, he works

787
00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:11,700
for me.
He does what I tell him to do

788
00:53:12,300 --> 00:53:15,600
and then he asks, he's like, so
let's write a contract and so

789
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,600
here's what it says this is.
Of an agreement between RCMP,

790
00:53:20,100 --> 00:53:23,300
that's the Royal Canadian
Mounted Police and Clifford

791
00:53:23,300 --> 00:53:28,900
Robert Olson.
This is this will be paid to

792
00:53:28,900 --> 00:53:32,700
assist paid by the RCMP to mrs.
Jones, I'll send for the

793
00:53:32,700 --> 00:53:35,900
following information ten
thousand dollars cash for each

794
00:53:35,900 --> 00:53:38,200
body of a missing person up to
seven bodies.

795
00:53:38,500 --> 00:53:41,500
Thirty thousand dollars for
information of four bodies which

796
00:53:41,500 --> 00:53:44,400
have already been recovered,
which relate to the above seven.

797
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,100
Other people missing the
agreement should be undertaken

798
00:53:47,100 --> 00:53:49,300
and shall be binding and law as
not to disclose this

799
00:53:49,300 --> 00:53:51,600
information.
In this agreement to the

800
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,500
Canadian, press the following
missing persons are covered in

801
00:53:54,500 --> 00:53:58,300
the city are covered in,
disagreement Judy kozma, Darren

802
00:53:58,300 --> 00:54:00,400
Todd, John's Rod, Raymond King,
Simon.

803
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,900
Partington 8 quart Louis
chartres and Christine Weller.

804
00:54:03,900 --> 00:54:07,400
Terry Len, Carson Colleen
marrying diagonal, sick.

805
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:12,100
Renard and one identify
unidentified female ten thousand

806
00:54:12,100 --> 00:54:15,200
dollars will be paid to miss
Alston up to a total of the

807
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,500
recovery of seven bodies
Clifford.

808
00:54:17,500 --> 00:54:20,400
Science it asked us, Corporal
mail, but Corporal mail is like

809
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:24,000
listen, this has to be approved
by somebody way higher up than

810
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,000
me.
He's like I don't have

811
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,600
permission to To give a hundred
thousand dollars to you.

812
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,700
And after the interviews over
Clifford calls, Joan and he's

813
00:54:32,700 --> 00:54:35,600
like, listen, you're going to be
rich, you're going to live in

814
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,400
the lap of luxury for the rest
of your life.

815
00:54:39,500 --> 00:54:42,000
Thanks to the deal that I just
made and Jones.

816
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,200
Like what are you talking about?
The police were just here.

817
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,000
They tore up the house.
They keep asking me.

818
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,500
All these are terrible questions
about you and he's just like

819
00:54:54,700 --> 00:54:57,200
This phone call is being
recorded, but you're going to

820
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,100
get a visit from my lawyer,
who's going to lay things out

821
00:55:00,100 --> 00:55:02,700
for you?
Don't talk about anything over

822
00:55:02,700 --> 00:55:06,300
the phone but you and Stephen
are going to be well taken care

823
00:55:06,300 --> 00:55:08,700
of.
So, Corporal male takes this

824
00:55:08,700 --> 00:55:12,000
paper, the commanding officers,
his commanding officers and

825
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,100
they're like, we don't have the
ability to give him this.

826
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,400
And so, those guys take it to
their superiors, who look at it

827
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:24,000
and are like, we don't have the
ability to approve this.

828
00:55:24,500 --> 00:55:28,400
And it goes all the way up to
the attorney general Allen

829
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,500
Williams.
The Attorney General is

830
00:55:30,500 --> 00:55:32,600
responsible for pretty much all
of the criminal justice

831
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:36,300
proceedings that happen in
Canada and attorney, general

832
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,100
Williams has a lot to think
about.

833
00:55:40,300 --> 00:55:42,900
He's like, listen, plea,
Bargains and things of that

834
00:55:42,900 --> 00:55:45,200
nature aren't uncommon in our
justice system.

835
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:50,300
And there's background deals and
backroom deals.

836
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:55,400
He looks over Olsen's history
and he's Like the police have

837
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,600
paid him.
A fair amount of money over the

838
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:02,100
years to be an informant.
Is this any different the

839
00:56:02,100 --> 00:56:07,100
problem and what really got
stuck for him as that he doesn't

840
00:56:07,100 --> 00:56:11,300
want to be the one to give a
criminal money.

841
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,000
For his crime.
He also doesn't want to set a

842
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,000
precedent that a criminal.
Could turn themselves in for

843
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,000
money because that's going to
cause a huge massive too.

844
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,400
He knows the only way that he
thinks he can even get close to

845
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:30,600
having this greenlit, is that
there is absolutely no way

846
00:56:30,700 --> 00:56:34,600
Clifford Olson, Junior can ever
leave prison ever again.

847
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,600
And that would mean, because if
he was allowed to leave again,

848
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:42,900
that's the opportunity to kill
now, attorney general Williams,

849
00:56:42,900 --> 00:56:46,300
look over all the evidence and
he agrees with the lower

850
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,300
prosecutors, there's no way.
We're going to get a conviction

851
00:56:49,300 --> 00:56:51,200
with only circumstantial
evidence.

852
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,800
Even if they take the freebie
and let the rest of the crime

853
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,200
stand on solved, the citizens of
Canada aren't going to be happy

854
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:02,100
about that either.
Even with the signed confession

855
00:57:02,100 --> 00:57:05,500
because there's still seven,
missing or 60 B 6 more missing

856
00:57:05,500 --> 00:57:09,800
people.
And he's like, all right, well

857
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,000
Olsen said, he'll never tell
anyone and if we can keep the

858
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,000
police from leaking, this then,
maybe it'll be okay.

859
00:57:17,100 --> 00:57:19,900
He sits on it for a little bit
but ultimately he does sign the

860
00:57:19,900 --> 00:57:24,800
deal but he doesn't like it and
he likes it even less when they

861
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,400
bring Clifford into his office a
couple days later.

862
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:32,200
Clifford's wearing this snazzy
suit and his lawyers were there.

863
00:57:32,500 --> 00:57:36,400
Jonas, there, she's in a
complete zombified State like

864
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:41,200
Clifford's making jokes
laughing, a couple times the

865
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,400
Olson.
Lawyers actually ask Joan, does

866
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,000
your husband know what he's
doing?

867
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,800
And It's like listen, don't
worry about it.

868
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,400
I know they're going to say
horrible things.

869
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,100
I did it wasn't me.
Who did that?

870
00:57:53,100 --> 00:57:56,200
I was drunk and high when those
things happen.

871
00:57:56,500 --> 00:57:59,900
Well, sure it was you which
doesn't really change the

872
00:57:59,900 --> 00:58:03,300
situation for Joan because the
man that she loves is about to

873
00:58:03,300 --> 00:58:06,300
admit to the world that he has
raped and murdered 11 children.

874
00:58:08,100 --> 00:58:10,500
And in fact, in the middle of
the office, she just breaks

875
00:58:10,500 --> 00:58:14,400
down.
Then Clifford starts telling

876
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,000
people how he wants the money
disbursed.

877
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,300
How much is going to go to the
lawyer for their fees, how much

878
00:58:18,300 --> 00:58:21,200
he's gonna send to his parents.
The rest was going to be put in

879
00:58:21,207 --> 00:58:25,200
a trust that junk control for
the baby and mind you.

880
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,300
He asked for this in cash.
So they actually have a hundred

881
00:58:28,300 --> 00:58:33,500
thousand dollars in cash.
Oh my God, suitcases and stuff

882
00:58:33,500 --> 00:58:37,400
to their friend, the Attorney
General.

883
00:58:37,900 --> 00:58:40,800
And he asks his lawyer.
Hey, do you think we can make

884
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,100
any more money?
If I wrote a book he's like I'll

885
00:58:44,100 --> 00:58:46,200
call it kiss daddy.
Goodbye.

886
00:58:46,500 --> 00:58:48,500
What the fuck?
I'm sorry.

887
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:52,600
I'm sorry.
I told you, this is the most

888
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:56,200
Gall I think I've ever seen but
it's just were not even at the

889
00:58:56,200 --> 00:59:00,600
worst Parts yet my God, he
offers to tell the lawyer

890
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:04,500
everything and the lawyer is
actually like kind of grossed

891
00:59:04,500 --> 00:59:08,500
out.
And he does want to do any more

892
00:59:08,500 --> 00:59:13,300
work for Clifford Olson after
this Attorney.

893
00:59:13,300 --> 00:59:16,000
General William said that the
whole scene made him sick and

894
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,500
that he had made a deal with
Satan himself.

895
00:59:19,100 --> 00:59:20,800
But after that, his day doesn't
get much better.

896
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:24,400
Because now they dress him up as
a police officer in a disguise

897
00:59:24,700 --> 00:59:27,400
and then they have to drive him
around British Columbia with

898
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,500
Corporal mail and for the
detectives in the first car

899
00:59:31,900 --> 00:59:34,200
Clifford is having The Best Time
Ever.

900
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,600
He's so excited.
The center of attention and he

901
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:41,800
is reviling and showing off his
handiwork and this is when he

902
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,600
explains everything he every
single detail.

903
00:59:44,900 --> 00:59:48,200
And those five men in the car
with him have to sit with him as

904
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:52,800
they are driving hours across
Canada, back and forth to get

905
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,700
all these different bodies and
mind you behind them.

906
00:59:55,700 --> 01:00:03,900
Are other police cars Corners
Vans to to put the remains in to

907
01:00:03,900 --> 01:00:05,500
take them back.
They did record.

908
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:09,400
Or doll 11 confessions that day
and he's talking about like the

909
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:14,600
death rattles and the smells all
the nasty stuff.

910
01:00:16,700 --> 01:00:20,700
But ultimately, everybody is
exhumed and the sites to get are

911
01:00:20,700 --> 01:00:24,600
secured.
They transfer the money to

912
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,600
Joanne and she puts it in her
bank account.

913
01:00:29,500 --> 01:00:32,300
And ultimately the police have
to admit in the end that without

914
01:00:32,300 --> 01:00:34,500
Clifford's confession, it's
highly unlikely.

915
01:00:34,500 --> 01:00:36,500
They would have found these
bodies.

916
01:00:36,700 --> 01:00:40,400
Many of them were seriously
decayed already because of where

917
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,600
they were buried, or where they
were Stewart, bodies and water

918
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:47,500
bloat, which totally ruins
decomposition.

919
01:00:48,900 --> 01:00:52,500
Some of the soil, where some of
the bodies were buried mummified

920
01:00:52,500 --> 01:00:57,900
The Remains because of the Pete
that was in the soil, some of

921
01:00:57,900 --> 01:01:00,300
the rectums could only.
Identified through dental

922
01:01:00,300 --> 01:01:03,600
records because they had been so
severely like their skulls were

923
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,600
shattered.
All of them had to be identified

924
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:14,100
by forensic pathologists.
And when the, when the police

925
01:01:14,100 --> 01:01:18,200
realized that the victim who was
unknown to them, was the German

926
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,000
tourists.
They were like, crap.

927
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,400
We didn't even know she was gone
because we didn't even know she

928
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:26,100
was here.
Wow, we never would have found

929
01:01:26,100 --> 01:01:29,700
her like, as far as her family
was concerned Sigmund.

930
01:01:29,700 --> 01:01:32,300
Just sicker and just hadn't.
Come back from her trip yet.

931
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,100
And even with her physical body
and the description of what she

932
01:01:36,100 --> 01:01:39,100
looked like before she died.
It's still took the police

933
01:01:39,100 --> 01:01:41,900
months to get her official
records from Germany, so they

934
01:01:41,900 --> 01:01:45,700
could file her death properly
and then send her remains back

935
01:01:45,700 --> 01:01:51,700
to her family in Germany.
This is a very long day and the

936
01:01:51,707 --> 01:01:54,800
police officers who have to sit
with him all day are not happy

937
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:58,600
because as part of his deal, he
only wants to eat at

938
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:03,300
steakhouses.
So that's three medians

939
01:02:03,900 --> 01:02:05,300
McDonald's.
Three Mia.

940
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,000
That's still too good for him
three meals.

941
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,600
I know it really is so he's
eating baked potatoes and

942
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:14,400
T-bone, steaks and drinking soda
and happily chatting with the

943
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:16,700
waitress.
And I can just imagine these

944
01:02:16,700 --> 01:02:20,600
five officers just unhappy to be
here.

945
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,500
In the meantime, Joan is
devastated.

946
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,400
All of this goes on without the
media knowing anything.

947
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:31,900
Corporal male called in all the
favors that He had the Attorney

948
01:02:31,900 --> 01:02:36,200
General also called in all the
favors and they told the media

949
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:41,400
you cannot report on this.
Because of the citizens of

950
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,600
Canada know that we just paid a
serial killer 100 Grand.

951
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:51,800
There's going to be hell to pay.
So, a couple of days later, he

952
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:56,000
asks for the Attorney General
Clifford asks and so the

953
01:02:56,008 --> 01:02:58,600
Attorney General shows up and
it's just like, I thought our

954
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:02,500
business here was done and
Clifford says, well listen, I

955
01:03:02,508 --> 01:03:06,100
gave you the first one for free
and I gave you the the next set

956
01:03:06,100 --> 01:03:08,400
for 100,000.
What if I told you there were

957
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,400
another 20 bodies and I'll pay
you, 5,000 dollars a piece for

958
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:17,700
those Purple mail is here when
this is going on.

959
01:03:17,700 --> 01:03:20,700
He's like, I don't know if this
is true or not.

960
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,700
But they write it down and
they're like, you know what,

961
01:03:24,700 --> 01:03:29,600
just like last time we got to
talk to our superiors, got to do

962
01:03:29,900 --> 01:03:32,000
and here's a problem.
They thought this investigation

963
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:33,200
was over.
Nope.

964
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:37,300
Now it's not.
And the problem is there are a

965
01:03:37,300 --> 01:03:39,100
butt ton of people missing in
North America.

966
01:03:39,100 --> 01:03:42,600
North America people travel and
it Canada Canadians travel into

967
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:46,000
America and it's in Turley
possible that he could have

968
01:03:46,008 --> 01:03:48,300
picked up any number of
hitchhikers and killed them.

969
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:51,000
Even just accounting for the
people who are only missing in

970
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,600
British Columbia, we're still
talking potentially a thousand

971
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,200
people and any one of them could
have been hits.

972
01:03:56,700 --> 01:04:00,500
I mean, at one point, Canada did
have a highway serial killer and

973
01:04:00,500 --> 01:04:04,400
right now, people believe that
there is another Highway serial

974
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:08,600
killer who is Indigenous women
that's in the 2020s.

975
01:04:10,500 --> 01:04:13,500
So, the police are like, all
right, we're gonna look through

976
01:04:13,500 --> 01:04:17,400
every single unsolved murder and
see if there's any potential.

977
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:22,900
Like any validity that there
could be another 20, right?

978
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:28,000
So they try and narrow it down.
To his behavioral patterns

979
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:32,400
because they figured they'd find
the method in the madness.

980
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:38,100
Like, even though there was no
pattern, the lack of a pattern

981
01:04:38,100 --> 01:04:47,200
is a pattern makes one Even when
they scale it down to the time

982
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:51,200
period when he was.
So at first, they just get in

983
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:54,900
the area where he was living and
they kind of triangulate his

984
01:04:54,900 --> 01:04:56,500
movements and where he was
driving.

985
01:04:56,700 --> 01:04:59,500
They get 17 young women and six
girls.

986
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:04,800
And then they scale it down to
the time, between November, 17th

987
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:11,400
and July 1981, and they have 20
potential victims.

988
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:16,700
So Corporal mail comes back to
the prison and he's like, all

989
01:05:16,700 --> 01:05:19,700
right, let's talk about this.
And this time Clifford's kind of

990
01:05:19,700 --> 01:05:22,200
mad he's had to wait.
Now he's just like you know what

991
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:25,500
I changed my mind, it's back up
to ten thousand dollars a body

992
01:05:25,700 --> 01:05:27,600
and the very quickly kind of
catches himself and he's like,

993
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:28,800
you know what?
No worries.

994
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,900
The bodies will still be there
when you come back around.

995
01:05:33,300 --> 01:05:36,700
He actually quote he says you
always know where to find me.

996
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:44,500
Meaning jail.
Now, pending the trial he gets

997
01:05:44,500 --> 01:05:49,000
put in jail thing is, he can't
blend in, everyone knows why

998
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:52,200
He's there and child.
Predators aren't exactly true.

999
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:55,700
Very nice in any prison.
The prisoners this time through

1000
01:05:55,700 --> 01:05:58,500
lit cigarettes at him.
They throw trash into his cell

1001
01:05:58,500 --> 01:06:02,500
when he's sleeping, they knock
him around, knock him over push

1002
01:06:02,500 --> 01:06:06,000
him, finally gets to a point
where they have to put him in

1003
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:10,000
solitary all, but two hours a
day, he's allowed to exercise

1004
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:14,600
for one hour when nobody else is
in the yard and It the rest of

1005
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:20,300
this time that he's by himself.
He's calling up reporters and

1006
01:06:20,300 --> 01:06:22,500
complaining about the conditions
in the prison.

1007
01:06:22,900 --> 01:06:26,800
He says, I'm living like a dog
and when they return my suit

1008
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:30,400
that I wore, when they brought
me into custody, someone took

1009
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,200
off all the buttons and wrote
Baby fucker on it.

1010
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:36,100
So you know, just to remind them
why it was there.

1011
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:41,400
Probably a guard, probably a
garden, definitely guard.

1012
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:47,800
So of course, like he gives all
the local newspapers all the

1013
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:55,200
details and he's like, you know,
and he does this because he's

1014
01:06:55,200 --> 01:07:00,400
good at he wants to threaten The
attorney general that like, you

1015
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:03,700
know, I'm going to tell them
what happened and you're going

1016
01:07:03,700 --> 01:07:07,000
to get in trouble if you don't
give me another hundred grand.

1017
01:07:08,100 --> 01:07:11,000
But what he doesn't know is that
the Press already know and

1018
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,800
they've already been paid off,
which is why they haven't been

1019
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:17,900
writing about it already.
And pretty much the train

1020
01:07:17,900 --> 01:07:20,000
General tells them.
Listen, if you talk about this

1021
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,100
at all, I'm going to hold you in
contempt of court.

1022
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:26,600
This is prejudicial knowledge
and essentially they're worried

1023
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:30,300
that if this goes to trial.
And that information is in the

1024
01:07:30,300 --> 01:07:34,900
papers, it will skew the jury.
It'll cause a mistrial, the date

1025
01:07:34,900 --> 01:07:37,000
for the first trial is set, but
they actually don't end up

1026
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:40,600
having to have a jury.
He just straight up his leg and

1027
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:42,300
I need a jury.
I did it.

1028
01:07:43,500 --> 01:07:47,000
He even cried while he confessed
to all of the murders.

1029
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:53,300
After the cork, cork read that
all the charges, he says, guilty

1030
01:07:53,700 --> 01:07:55,800
just as Harry.
McKay was, the presiding judge.

1031
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,400
You had a lot to say about
Clifford Olson, Junior,

1032
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,300
specifically.
He said no punishment that any

1033
01:08:01,300 --> 01:08:03,800
civilized country could impose
would be adequate for the

1034
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,400
severity of your crimes.
You should never be granted

1035
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:07,900
parole for the remainder of your
days.

1036
01:08:07,900 --> 01:08:10,500
It would be foolhardy to let you
at large.

1037
01:08:10,700 --> 01:08:13,200
And he was sent to Kingston
Penitentiary where he was

1038
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:15,100
suspend the rest of his natural
life.

1039
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:18,100
And, for a moment, it seemed
like the media circus was over.

1040
01:08:20,500 --> 01:08:26,399
and then one, Newspaper
published the deal because

1041
01:08:26,399 --> 01:08:32,000
they're like, there's no trial.
The trials, there's no content

1042
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:37,899
of Courtney Moore.
The public is outraged, the

1043
01:08:37,899 --> 01:08:40,800
families are outraged.
There's an immediate campaign to

1044
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:44,800
try and force them to return the
money to Canada or forbid to get

1045
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:46,700
for it to be given to the
families of victims.

1046
01:08:47,899 --> 01:08:51,399
But John's like, I'm not giving
this back attorney, general

1047
01:08:51,399 --> 01:08:54,200
Williams is Public.
Enemy Number One or Public

1048
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:56,399
Enemy.
Number Two Clifford is number

1049
01:08:56,399 --> 01:08:59,899
one.
And he tells like, Williams

1050
01:08:59,899 --> 01:09:02,300
tells the Press, like, this was
a unique case, I don't think

1051
01:09:02,300 --> 01:09:04,899
anything, like this will happen.
Again, the decision was not easy

1052
01:09:04,899 --> 01:09:08,399
for me to make.
His crimes are so horrible, they

1053
01:09:08,399 --> 01:09:11,899
shouldn't be revealed.
I don't want to dwell on the

1054
01:09:11,899 --> 01:09:15,300
details.
Robert Chance, who was one of

1055
01:09:15,300 --> 01:09:18,000
Clifford's attorneys even came
out saying that this was

1056
01:09:18,300 --> 01:09:22,200
politically insane members of
parliament, contemned attorney

1057
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:25,600
general Williams and pretty much
told him your career is over,

1058
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,600
from that point on the police,
tried to seize the money from

1059
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:32,000
Joan But discovered it was
already gone.

1060
01:09:32,899 --> 01:09:35,800
Damn, she spent all of it or she
moved it.

1061
01:09:36,899 --> 01:09:39,200
There's a public inquiry into
what happened.

1062
01:09:39,399 --> 01:09:43,200
They're trying to find any level
of wrongdoing on the side of the

1063
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:45,899
police, the justice department,
the corner.

1064
01:09:45,899 --> 01:09:50,000
They look at everybody, they
investigate everyone then of

1065
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,600
course it becomes a discussion
of why didn't you guys pursue

1066
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:55,100
him earlier?
What the hell were you doing?

1067
01:09:55,100 --> 01:09:58,500
When he raped The Prostitute?
The first murder happened around

1068
01:09:58,500 --> 01:10:02,900
the same time.
Jonah's getting harassed by the

1069
01:10:02,900 --> 01:10:05,800
Press because she accepted the
money and one paper, she just

1070
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:08,700
goes, I'm a good person.
I can look myself in the eye in

1071
01:10:08,700 --> 01:10:12,300
the mirror and not feel ashamed.
And I kind of understand because

1072
01:10:12,300 --> 01:10:14,100
she was a victim to in some
ways.

1073
01:10:14,500 --> 01:10:16,900
This one all the way up to the
Supreme Court and the Supreme

1074
01:10:16,900 --> 01:10:18,700
Court could not take the money
from her.

1075
01:10:19,100 --> 01:10:22,000
The contract was airtight just
because it's immoral, doesn't

1076
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:29,800
make it illegal, of course,
Clifford is Having a great time.

1077
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:33,600
He is sending little bits that
he wrote himself to the local

1078
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,300
papers.
One of the guards was quoted in

1079
01:10:36,300 --> 01:10:39,700
a newspaper saying they said
that they heard him.

1080
01:10:39,700 --> 01:10:42,400
Say, if I gave a damn about
these families, I wouldn't have

1081
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:49,900
killed her kids.
Eventually the prison cuts off.

1082
01:10:50,100 --> 01:10:52,600
Clifford's communication, he's
not allowed to talk to anybody,

1083
01:10:52,700 --> 01:10:56,000
not even his family, but he
still manages to pass off his

1084
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,900
stories and writings to other
inmates who Off to the press, it

1085
01:10:59,900 --> 01:11:02,200
got to the point where some of
his victims families were

1086
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:05,200
pursuing, civil cases against
him, because of what he was

1087
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:08,600
saying publicly, they started
suing him for injuries losses,

1088
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:13,500
but the problem is, like they
won those civil cases, but he

1089
01:11:13,500 --> 01:11:16,200
had nothing.
Nothing was in his name.

1090
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:18,800
Even the house, they owned was
in Jones.

1091
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:22,200
Name is terrible.
Yep.

1092
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:26,800
He could work the rest of his
days in prison and never make

1093
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:28,900
enough money to pay what he owed
to those people.

1094
01:11:30,100 --> 01:11:32,900
And for a little bit of time,
he's quiet, he spends, time

1095
01:11:32,900 --> 01:11:36,500
focusing on parole which is
another annoyance.

1096
01:11:36,500 --> 01:11:40,200
Because in almost every country
in the world natural life when

1097
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:43,300
you get life in prison tends to
be about 25 to 30 years.

1098
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:46,700
That's why in some more of the
heinous cases in the United

1099
01:11:46,700 --> 01:11:48,200
States.
They'll do multiple life

1100
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:52,100
sentences to make sure that
someone doesn't leave right?

1101
01:11:52,900 --> 01:11:56,300
So, Clifford's First parole
hearing is in 1997.

1102
01:11:56,300 --> 01:12:00,200
He applied under a clause called
The Faint hope clause or Canada

1103
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:04,500
criminal code.
Ask. 7 45.6 which is a statutory

1104
01:12:04,500 --> 01:12:07,200
provision that allows a prisoner
who's been sentenced to life in

1105
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:10,400
prison.
To be eligible for parole once

1106
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:18,500
they've served 15 years.
He is denied Force.

1107
01:12:19,300 --> 01:12:21,500
Canadian law also says, if
you've been convicted of

1108
01:12:21,508 --> 01:12:25,400
first-degree murder, you can
apply for parole after you've

1109
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:34,700
served 25 years.
So on July 18, 2006, he tries

1110
01:12:34,700 --> 01:12:40,100
again.
He's also denied also around

1111
01:12:40,100 --> 01:12:42,900
this time, he makes a bunch of
bizarre claims like he said that

1112
01:12:42,900 --> 01:12:47,800
the u.s. grant him clemency
because he knew things about

1113
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:50,800
September 11th.
What should we know sense?

1114
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:53,000
Because like he was in prison.
Yeah.

1115
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:57,900
A fortunately after that, under
Canadian law, he is allowed to

1116
01:12:57,900 --> 01:13:06,900
request parole, every two years
or more, and he does it in 2010.

1117
01:13:08,100 --> 01:13:11,300
Like every two years and they
refused him every single time

1118
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:15,200
now in 2010, he's the source of
another bit of controversy.

1119
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,800
When the media find out that
he's receiving government

1120
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:24,300
benefits from Canada, while in
prison house, which amounted to

1121
01:13:24,300 --> 01:13:29,300
about 1,100 Canadian dollars.
It's not a lot of money but like

1122
01:13:29,500 --> 01:13:32,200
it's still like 900 bucks us,
right?

1123
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:34,900
That's what are you should be
good?

1124
01:13:34,900 --> 01:13:39,700
Also he's now old enough to
receive OAS which is the old age

1125
01:13:39,700 --> 01:13:43,100
security.
So I like a pension and pretty

1126
01:13:43,100 --> 01:13:46,700
much it Canada people who meet
residency requirements and of

1127
01:13:46,700 --> 01:13:48,700
course, there's like the length
of time you lived in Canada and

1128
01:13:48,700 --> 01:13:51,800
are 65 or older.
You receive that pension.

1129
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:56,300
And so January 1st 2010 Clifford
was 70 years old.

1130
01:13:57,500 --> 01:14:00,400
He's also eligible to receive
something called the guaranteed

1131
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:03,600
income supplement which awarded
was awarded to pensioners who

1132
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,400
have low income.
And all this money is being held

1133
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:08,800
for him in a trust.
So he didn't have access to it

1134
01:14:08,808 --> 01:14:12,900
while he's in prison, but people
are super mad that.

1135
01:14:12,900 --> 01:14:17,600
Yeah he saw these rights.
Yeah, absolutely So the Canadian

1136
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:21,200
taxpayers Federation ended up
testifying before the committee

1137
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:24,300
for human resource development
and they passed something called

1138
01:14:24,300 --> 01:14:27,600
bill c31 which terminated
pension benefits.

1139
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:31,000
For prisoners, the organization
showed up with 46 thousand

1140
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:35,100
signatures from British Columbia
requesting that Clifford never

1141
01:14:35,100 --> 01:14:38,100
receive.
These benefits, Prime Minister,

1142
01:14:38,100 --> 01:14:40,900
Stephen Harper, had the
government look into it and in

1143
01:14:40,900 --> 01:14:43,900
June 1st, the government
terminated his payments based on

1144
01:14:43,900 --> 01:14:45,800
the fact that his crime was
horrific.

1145
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:50,200
September of 2010.
He sent one of those checks to

1146
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:53,200
the Sun to Sun media to a
reporter.

1147
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:55,300
With a note asking the reporter
to forward.

1148
01:14:55,300 --> 01:14:58,900
The check to Stephen Harper's
campaign for re-election.

1149
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:06,300
Hi-yah and September of 2011.
He is discovered to have

1150
01:15:06,300 --> 01:15:09,200
terminal cancer.
He was transferred to Louisville

1151
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:12,400
Hospital and Quebec where he
died a few weeks later at the

1152
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:18,800
age of 71 on September 30th.
From the age of 17 Clifford

1153
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:22,700
Olson.
Spent only 1501 days outside of

1154
01:15:22,700 --> 01:15:25,400
a prison cell.
That's crazy.

1155
01:15:26,100 --> 01:15:29,200
If we take into account the
total number of murders, he says

1156
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:31,500
he's committed.
It would amount to about 10 a

1157
01:15:31,500 --> 01:15:35,100
day.
A lot of people say that he fits

1158
01:15:35,100 --> 01:15:40,200
a lot of the classic psychopath
checklist, and to be fair, when

1159
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:44,400
they gave him the psychopathy
checklist, he scored 38 out of

1160
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:46,000
40.
Yes.

1161
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:48,900
What's get that high?
No, no.

1162
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:52,800
Hi is bad.
And on this this assessment and

1163
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,600
it's a tool to assess
institutionalized people.

1164
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:00,900
And yes, while he definitely did
have some antisocial and

1165
01:16:00,900 --> 01:16:04,700
narcissistic Tendencies he is
Very, very manipulative, and

1166
01:16:04,708 --> 01:16:08,200
it's very light and he wasn't
stupid, so, it's potential that

1167
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:12,600
he could have manipulated those
tests that they gave him, he

1168
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:14,600
wouldn't be the first serial
killer to do.

1169
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:21,800
So again, at Kemper realized how
to write cheat the test, and

1170
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:23,700
give them the answers that they
want it.

1171
01:16:25,100 --> 01:16:29,600
Clifford got high on attention
and being more and more

1172
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:33,300
outrageous gave him more
attention as far as his

1173
01:16:33,300 --> 01:16:35,200
relationships.
I think he like Joan.

1174
01:16:35,900 --> 01:16:37,900
He liked that she did nice
things for him.

1175
01:16:37,900 --> 01:16:42,100
You'd mind they had sex, but I
sincerely doubt he'll ever loved

1176
01:16:42,100 --> 01:16:44,400
her.
He's one of those few people I

1177
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:49,600
think never loved anybody.
One time while he was in prison,

1178
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:54,200
a reporter asked him what do you
think about Hannibal Lecter and

1179
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:58,900
Clifford said, he's made up, I'm
the real thing.

1180
01:17:00,700 --> 01:17:04,000
It's gross, he has over the
year.

1181
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,800
Yeah, over the years.
People were very upset with

1182
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:08,900
Joan.
When she said, she still loved

1183
01:17:08,900 --> 01:17:12,700
her husband.
She did divorce him in March of

1184
01:17:12,700 --> 01:17:17,500
1985 and pretty much kind of
lived mostly in obscurity,

1185
01:17:17,500 --> 01:17:20,200
occasionally responding to the
Press over the years.

1186
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:24,100
She would tell the press that
she never actually got to keep

1187
01:17:24,100 --> 01:17:29,100
any of that money because she
spent so much time in court.

1188
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:33,400
Due to the the families of the
victims that it kind of just got

1189
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:39,900
cannibalized by court fees.
And as for little baby Stephen

1190
01:17:39,900 --> 01:17:44,100
Olson, we absolutely don't know
what happened to him and I hope

1191
01:17:44,100 --> 01:17:47,400
he lived a life where he didn't
have to know what his dad does.

1192
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:52,400
I hope Joan change both their
names and they moved on and had

1193
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,300
a perfectly normal life.
You can only hope.

1194
01:17:56,500 --> 01:17:59,300
Yep.
And that's what I got.

1195
01:17:59,500 --> 01:18:04,400
Attack.
Well, that was infuriating.

1196
01:18:05,500 --> 01:18:10,600
I told you.
This is the part where he wants

1197
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:17,600
to write a book and the title of
the book I'm going to God.

1198
01:18:17,700 --> 01:18:21,800
Oh yeah.
About saying goodbye to his son.

1199
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:26,600
Bra.
No, okay.

1200
01:18:26,700 --> 01:18:33,000
No.
Okay, let's talk about Krypton,

1201
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:35,900
shall we?
Yes, let's talk about some

1202
01:18:35,900 --> 01:18:38,200
cryptic.
Okay, awesome we're going to do

1203
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:42,800
that.
Okay, so today's Creepy,

1204
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:47,100
whatever.
It comes actually Brittany.

1205
01:18:47,100 --> 01:18:49,500
You wanted to talk about this a
few weeks ago.

1206
01:18:49,500 --> 01:18:53,600
Actually, do you remember who
you were?

1207
01:19:00,900 --> 01:19:13,100
Okay, so This descripted or
creature has a very, very true

1208
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:20,200
tail to it.
It's from Kentucky Louisville.

1209
01:19:20,300 --> 01:19:24,000
Is that the cool alien Cryptid?
I don't think it's cool.

1210
01:19:24,100 --> 01:19:25,800
That looks like it's wearing a
dress.

1211
01:19:26,700 --> 01:19:32,000
No, you still talking know that
the Flatwoods Monster.

1212
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:36,700
I love the flower with monster
not talking about I want to

1213
01:19:36,700 --> 01:19:39,800
dress up like the Flatwoods
Monster with a cosplay.

1214
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:41,600
Is this your flat ones?
Monster.

1215
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,900
I want to dress up like the
alien address.

1216
01:19:45,700 --> 01:19:48,800
Not a recruitment is the
Flatwoods Monster.

1217
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,200
Oh my God.
We're going to get you a dress.

1218
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:58,400
That looks like it's damn
Flatwoods Monster.

1219
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:00,000
Okay, we're going to do it for
you.

1220
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:05,400
I think it's great.
Oh my God.

1221
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:15,200
Okay so can't act from Kentucky.
Yeah I didn't I don't think of

1222
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:22,000
anything from Kentucky other
than chicken sorry.

1223
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,000
Y'all in Kentucky.
Who listen?

1224
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:30,500
Oh my God, okay so isn't there a
Sheepsquatch from a fall out?

1225
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:39,000
Okay, so in Kentucky is, there's
a there's there's this Railroad

1226
01:20:39,100 --> 01:20:41,700
underpass, right?
Okay.

1227
01:20:41,700 --> 01:20:45,800
It's called a Trestle Bridge,
Okay?

1228
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:49,600
And the name of this Trestle
bridge is called the pope lick

1229
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:56,200
Trestle Bridge.
Does the pope lick monster ring

1230
01:20:56,200 --> 01:21:05,200
any bells to goddamn?
It's okay yeah it's something

1231
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:08,300
like I remember you were talking
about on one day because you

1232
01:21:08,300 --> 01:21:10,500
were looking at it and you're
like oh my God, this thing is

1233
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:16,300
fucking we like okay.
They're this Pope lick monster,

1234
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:20,900
it has different origin,
stories.

1235
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:29,800
And I can there's one that's
like the urban legends of this

1236
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:33,800
thing is weird.
The first one is like, it's a,

1237
01:21:34,700 --> 01:21:37,500
it's basically.
I definitely didn't say anything

1238
01:21:37,500 --> 01:21:40,400
about the public.
This topic monster looks just

1239
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:44,300
like it honestly.
Looks like what people A demon's

1240
01:21:44,300 --> 01:21:48,700
look like it.
I just I remember like I don't

1241
01:21:48,700 --> 01:21:52,100
know what it was but you were
talking about it and you're

1242
01:21:52,100 --> 01:21:55,100
looking it up.
I swear you were as this is not

1243
01:21:55,100 --> 01:21:59,000
mean there's a lot of there's
like a trail cam things that are

1244
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:02,800
supposed to look like.
Yeah, I love trail cam, footage.

1245
01:22:03,500 --> 01:22:09,100
It's awful and super terrible.
But anyway, he lives under this

1246
01:22:09,100 --> 01:22:13,500
one particular Bridge apparently
so there are three different

1247
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:16,700
Current like versions of his
urban legend.

1248
01:22:18,100 --> 01:22:21,500
I'll talk about talk about the
one in detail because that's

1249
01:22:21,500 --> 01:22:26,500
like the main one, but the other
two is one got a real cool

1250
01:22:26,500 --> 01:22:33,800
drawing of him under a bridge.
Yeah, one is that he was, I

1251
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:42,900
guess.
A like a twisted.

1252
01:22:42,900 --> 01:22:46,100
This is when reading a twisted
reincarnation reincarnated form

1253
01:22:46,100 --> 01:22:50,300
of a farmer who sacrificed goats
in exchange for a satanic Powers

1254
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:55,800
the it's just a demon stuff okay
that's that's one version.

1255
01:22:56,000 --> 01:23:04,000
Another version amandine get in
here I got another Another

1256
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:08,100
version is that he is a
skinwalker.

1257
01:23:09,900 --> 01:23:16,100
It does look very similar.
But the main one is that the one

1258
01:23:16,100 --> 01:23:19,000
I really looked it up.
If this was like the main story

1259
01:23:19,500 --> 01:23:25,800
is that he was a half goat half
human hybrid.

1260
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:33,100
That was a circus freak.
And who escaped because he's

1261
01:23:33,100 --> 01:23:38,600
being mistreated and he went to
live underneath this this trip

1262
01:23:39,500 --> 01:23:45,100
this over an overpass just train
overpass and that is the one I'm

1263
01:23:45,100 --> 01:23:48,300
going to reach you.
It's a it's a, you know, it's a

1264
01:23:48,500 --> 01:23:55,000
it's a tail urban legend tail.
So, I'm going to read it that

1265
01:23:55,600 --> 01:24:01,600
and God is long.
Well, I mean you are the one in

1266
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:03,700
control.
I recommend of the pie.

1267
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:07,300
I know and I want to read it.
You want to shorten it?

1268
01:24:07,300 --> 01:24:09,400
Go ahead and shorten it.
We'll see.

1269
01:24:09,500 --> 01:24:12,500
We'll see if I don't think I
will just because okay.

1270
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:17,100
So one thunderously stormy
night.

1271
01:24:17,300 --> 01:24:21,500
Well I stopped in a small town
near Beltsville Maryland.

1272
01:24:21,900 --> 01:24:26,500
The circus bearded lady Madame
Bristol's discovered in

1273
01:24:26,500 --> 01:24:30,100
abandoned infant left and a
hate-filled crate outside her

1274
01:24:30,100 --> 01:24:33,400
tent.
The child was severe severely.

1275
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:37,800
Malformed with stubs protruding
from its forehead and the shape

1276
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:42,300
and legs that ended in what's
look more like cloven Hooves

1277
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:47,100
than hoop to Human.
She took the poor creature in

1278
01:24:47,100 --> 01:24:50,800
and gave it food and shelter.
One, look at the twists,

1279
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:58,900
Abomination and Colonel.
Yeah, I can't pronounce this.

1280
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:05,300
If he'll dick neck.
Okay.

1281
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:07,700
That's what his name is.
The colonel.

1282
01:25:07,900 --> 01:25:10,400
That's his name.
He's the colonel and his

1283
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:13,000
Colonel.
He knew that he had struck gold.

1284
01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:16,500
He had found a story attraction
for his freak show.

1285
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:19,700
That would make him Rich.
Beyond his Wildest Dreams.

1286
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:22,800
He took a child and raise it in
captivity.

1287
01:25:23,300 --> 01:25:26,900
Never letting it out of his
sight or its cage until I could

1288
01:25:26,900 --> 01:25:31,300
be fully exploited for its
grotesque appearance.

1289
01:25:32,900 --> 01:25:36,500
The Beast grew in size and
strength over the years it's

1290
01:25:36,500 --> 01:25:41,500
those becoming a full-size horns
and his temperament as nasty as

1291
01:25:41,500 --> 01:25:44,900
a temperament given to it by the
cruel.

1292
01:25:44,900 --> 01:25:47,700
Circus carnies charged with
keeping it in prison.

1293
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:53,400
It spent most of it's life,
change the world of a cage

1294
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:58,100
inside a circus train with
brutally daily to keep it

1295
01:25:58,108 --> 01:26:02,500
subdued and submissive and fed
only gruel and leftover scraps

1296
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:07,600
from the made the midday vendor
grease pits one fateful night

1297
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:09,600
during a thunderstorm as
violent.

1298
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:14,100
As the one on a night of its
birth, the circus train was

1299
01:26:14,100 --> 01:26:19,500
passing through Fisher bill on
its way to a performance in

1300
01:26:19,700 --> 01:26:24,400
Louisville Kentucky, when a bolt
of lightning struck the tracks

1301
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:29,200
causing the train to derailed,
just ahead of the trestle over

1302
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:33,400
Pope Lick Creek.
The Twist that wreck probably

1303
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:38,400
killed most of the Colonel's
crew instantly but not all of

1304
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:40,100
them.
Okay.

1305
01:26:40,100 --> 01:26:44,400
Since body parts were found as
far away as two miles from the

1306
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:48,400
crash site What is known for a
fact?

1307
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:53,100
Is that the Goatman which is
what they called him survived.

1308
01:26:53,100 --> 01:26:57,600
The tragic train wreck finally
set free from its life of

1309
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:02,100
torture, exploitation and
imprisonment and it took event

1310
01:27:02,100 --> 01:27:07,000
revenge on the Survivors by
ripping them to bloody shreds.

1311
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:12,000
The Colonel's body was never
found and it was it is suspected

1312
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:15,900
that a few of his Cutthroat crew
of clowns.

1313
01:27:16,300 --> 01:27:18,200
Circus freaks in dangerous
animals.

1314
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:25,300
May also man survived the deadly
accident but were never found.

1315
01:27:25,900 --> 01:27:28,400
Obviously, you're gonna say the
Clown's killed eyes.

1316
01:27:30,700 --> 01:27:32,600
That's honestly where I thought
that was gone.

1317
01:27:32,900 --> 01:27:37,200
I just love the name is the cut,
the Cutthroat crew of clouds.

1318
01:27:38,700 --> 01:27:41,300
I love it.
Okay.

1319
01:27:41,500 --> 01:27:47,600
Um Due to the numerous deaths
missing persons deer in

1320
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:51,500
livestock, mutilations and
Goatman, sightings that have

1321
01:27:51,500 --> 01:27:53,800
been reported in the ensuing
years.

1322
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:58,600
There is good reason to believe
the Goatman of Pope lick never

1323
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:01,800
left the area.
He is believed to have taken a

1324
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:05,300
residence in either and
underground cave or ramshackle

1325
01:28:05,300 --> 01:28:11,200
Hut somewhere and what it area
near the train trestle his

1326
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:16,300
inbred hate of proulx him.
City has made him a bloodthirsty

1327
01:28:16,300 --> 01:28:19,500
and dangerous piece to be
avoided at all costs.

1328
01:28:20,300 --> 01:28:22,700
Those who dare to trans, press
trip.

1329
01:28:22,900 --> 01:28:28,200
God, those who dare to trespass
into his demean have met their

1330
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:32,300
fate at his hands.
The Courier-Journal records, at

1331
01:28:32,300 --> 01:28:37,900
least two confirmed deaths,
deaths in 1987, and 1988 and

1332
01:28:37,900 --> 01:28:43,100
many injuries and close calls,
attributed to the pope lick, A

1333
01:28:43,108 --> 01:28:46,400
monster and his protected
Trestle.

1334
01:28:46,900 --> 01:28:50,000
The Trestle raises, 90 feet 90
feet.

1335
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:55,600
Yeah, 90 feet above Pope lick,
creep Creek, and stretches 772

1336
01:28:56,400 --> 01:29:01,500
feet across to the other side.
Also incapable of human speech.

1337
01:29:01,500 --> 01:29:06,300
The Goatman is said to be able
to mimic human voices and has

1338
01:29:06,300 --> 01:29:10,600
been known to call out the names
of those who have climbed to the

1339
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:13,000
top of the Trestle in order to
lure.

1340
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:16,200
I'm out onto the tracks.
Just as a nun coming.

1341
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:20,000
Train is coming around a Bend to
still there.

1342
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:24,100
The seals are doom.
Oh, no, I'm sorry.

1343
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:32,500
Getting into it.
You've got on weekend nights

1344
01:29:32,700 --> 01:29:35,800
during the month of October, and
especially during the cycle of

1345
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:39,600
the full moon, the Goatman is
said that to be most active in

1346
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:41,400
the woods and Hills surrounding
the pope.

1347
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:44,500
Lick trestle.
Those who have attempted to

1348
01:29:44,500 --> 01:29:48,500
drive Beneath The Trestle.
At the stroke of midnight, have

1349
01:29:48,500 --> 01:29:53,600
reported being chased by the
Beast, who can run at speeds of

1350
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:57,200
nearly 60 miles per hour.
And more than one report has,

1351
01:29:57,200 --> 01:30:01,800
claimed the loss of their car
door handle, or bloody claw

1352
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:05,400
prints left on your car door
after a Pursuit.

1353
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:14,200
In the mid-1970s rumors of a
saint and a satanic cult, in

1354
01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:18,600
demonic rituals began
circulating in the same area

1355
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:23,100
along Public Road and reports of
missing dogs, cats, and other

1356
01:30:23,100 --> 01:30:26,900
domestic animals were suspected
of falling prey to satanic blood

1357
01:30:26,900 --> 01:30:33,700
site, ceremonies Amy, serious
Farm known as The Four Winds

1358
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:38,800
down the street.
A few A few miles from the treat

1359
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:43,800
recipe were suspected of being
owned by a group of Satan has

1360
01:30:44,100 --> 01:30:46,700
Satan.
This God, satanists who worship

1361
01:30:46,700 --> 01:30:50,600
the public monster as the living
embodiment of.

1362
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:54,800
How do you pronounce this
Baphomet boffin, but from Bad,

1363
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:58,100
laughs Bethenny?
Yeah, oh yeah, the the main guy,

1364
01:30:58,100 --> 01:31:03,700
the main because yeah, the go of
Mendes himself, a mock, a

1365
01:31:03,700 --> 01:31:08,300
marking of the image of a land.
I am as the embodiment of Christ

1366
01:31:08,300 --> 01:31:10,800
who died for the sins of
humanity, blah blah.

1367
01:31:12,900 --> 01:31:17,000
The Four Winds Farm was
surrounded by a red and black

1368
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:21,900
painted fence, drew the 1980s
and into the 1990s with a sign

1369
01:31:21,900 --> 01:31:26,100
that the river the sign at the
front gate warning trespassers

1370
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:31,600
will be persecuted strange
tribal drum beats and chanting

1371
01:31:32,100 --> 01:31:37,000
were often heard in the woods
behind the Barn Farm. um,

1372
01:31:38,900 --> 01:31:44,000
that's, I'm going to read about
that for right now.

1373
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:48,000
So basically there's a satanic
cult and this Pope lick monster

1374
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:59,800
was a circus freak, who escaped?
During a train crash. and now, I

1375
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:02,700
said there was some troops into
in this story, right?

1376
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:09,100
A little bit of Truth.
So there is a Trestle and

1377
01:32:09,100 --> 01:32:12,000
Louisville.
Kentucky, it's over the pope.

1378
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:17,300
Lick Creek Park is by their
public park, whatever, Public

1379
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:21,600
Road, and all that good stuff.
Pope lick, it's just La puplic,

1380
01:32:21,700 --> 01:32:26,800
okay?
Yes, I also saw a news story,

1381
01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:30,500
that's a kid fell off of it.
That's where I'm going with

1382
01:32:30,500 --> 01:32:33,600
this.
So, this, this Trestle,

1383
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:39,700
apparently it's a thing for
either tours or I guess not

1384
01:32:39,700 --> 01:32:44,200
local kids, but or local people.
But like a lot of Tours they go

1385
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:48,700
there.
To like, look for this Pope lick

1386
01:32:48,700 --> 01:32:54,700
Monster, not thinking that this
like because the Taurus Taurus

1387
01:32:54,700 --> 01:32:56,300
go.
There they asked for, you know,

1388
01:32:56,300 --> 01:32:59,300
what spooky around here, what's,
you know, what's exciting?

1389
01:32:59,300 --> 01:33:02,900
And, you know, doing Pope lick
or Louisville Kentucky?

1390
01:33:06,300 --> 01:33:09,400
And, you know, you know, if they
talked to the wrong people,

1391
01:33:09,400 --> 01:33:13,600
they're like, oh, you know,
there's this Trestle, you know,

1392
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:15,500
that Russell is, right.
All right.

1393
01:33:15,500 --> 01:33:19,800
Well, if we go up this Trestle
right over here, you can might,

1394
01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:22,500
you might be able to meet a goat
man.

1395
01:33:22,700 --> 01:33:26,600
And if you got to see here in
the top of the Trestle though,

1396
01:33:27,100 --> 01:33:30,600
so you see, on top of the
Trestle goat man will appear at

1397
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:32,000
the strike of midnight, all
right?

1398
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:34,700
Is this still?
This isn't still a working

1399
01:33:34,700 --> 01:33:37,500
traffic.
It is a working Trestle.

1400
01:33:38,200 --> 01:33:40,000
Okay.
See, that's my thing.

1401
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:45,100
Because Trestle is very thin
bridge that only fits a train.

1402
01:33:45,100 --> 01:33:48,100
It only nothing else.
No nothing else.

1403
01:33:48,100 --> 01:33:50,000
There's no walkway.
Nothing.

1404
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:53,000
It only thing that goes on.
Just made for train passing,

1405
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:55,300
absolutely one.
Yep.

1406
01:33:56,300 --> 01:34:03,000
And so like these tours, they go
here and they're like, okay well

1407
01:34:03,500 --> 01:34:06,100
I don't see it and you know
they're you know these these

1408
01:34:06,100 --> 01:34:09,900
people are like oh don't worry.
It ain't working at trade on, go

1409
01:34:09,900 --> 01:34:14,700
by and all more but train goes
by a lot more than you think.

1410
01:34:17,100 --> 01:34:21,200
And some people have died
because of this.

1411
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:25,000
Some people have.
I don't think they've getting

1412
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:27,900
they got hit by the train but,
you know, they've they've had to

1413
01:34:27,900 --> 01:34:31,300
hang from the Trestle.
As they see this train coming as

1414
01:34:31,300 --> 01:34:36,900
a walking on it, somebody had to
drop down to hang on it and some

1415
01:34:36,900 --> 01:34:43,000
people can't hang that long, and
it's 90 feet above the ground.

1416
01:34:43,900 --> 01:34:46,500
It's also like a lot of them are
above water.

1417
01:34:46,500 --> 01:34:50,900
Yeah, to cover like a body like
a river or something and they'd

1418
01:34:50,900 --> 01:34:53,000
probably be more likely to
survive.

1419
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:56,100
But I'm looking at this one in
particular, some overrode, it's

1420
01:34:56,100 --> 01:34:58,600
just just land just concrete.
Yep.

1421
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:04,500
Beneath you, it's right above a
road and people like there, I

1422
01:35:04,500 --> 01:35:11,100
was just reading one that some
guy in his fiance, I guess, you

1423
01:35:11,100 --> 01:35:14,800
know, they were doing is and he
Had to hang, but she couldn't

1424
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:17,800
make it in time.
So she and she fell and she died

1425
01:35:18,100 --> 01:35:20,100
and he said this is like the
worst.

1426
01:35:20,100 --> 01:35:23,100
That was like the worst day of
my life is like, the worst thing

1427
01:35:23,100 --> 01:35:27,200
that happened to me when I saw
was from 2019, a

1428
01:35:27,208 --> 01:35:31,600
fifteen-year-old dies, and it
was sad because it was like yet

1429
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:34,700
again, another accident on the
pope.

1430
01:35:34,700 --> 01:35:38,300
Lick, trestle.
And I'm like, dang this is

1431
01:35:38,300 --> 01:35:45,800
common apparently, two little
girls were on the track and they

1432
01:35:46,100 --> 01:35:50,500
did not hang they got hit.
Yeah.

1433
01:35:50,500 --> 01:35:53,700
One died in the other was in the
hospital for a while.

1434
01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:59,600
Yeah.
Oh, it says, in 2016, Ohio

1435
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:04,100
tourists will quell beIN died in
search for the public monster,

1436
01:36:05,700 --> 01:36:08,700
but Russell is 742.
Feet long.

1437
01:36:08,700 --> 01:36:09,800
Yeah.
Yeah.

1438
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:14,300
And it is 90 foot drop at the
center and 20 or 30 near the end

1439
01:36:14,900 --> 01:36:19,000
of the row.
Cobain was also hit and fell,

1440
01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:23,500
she died on the scene.
It's that's the lady.

1441
01:36:23,500 --> 01:36:25,500
Yeah that's her.
The her boyfriend was the one

1442
01:36:25,500 --> 01:36:26,100
who said.
Yep.

1443
01:36:26,100 --> 01:36:27,700
Yeah yep.
Her name was Rick well.

1444
01:36:27,700 --> 01:36:35,400
Okay.
Yeah, there are no sightings

1445
01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:40,000
whether actual reported,
sightings parently a retired

1446
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:43,500
train engineer said that while
he was, I guess.

1447
01:36:45,500 --> 01:36:47,900
The he routinely went down that
path.

1448
01:36:48,700 --> 01:36:52,600
There were 43 collisions while
he worked there over 34 years.

1449
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:56,800
So at least once a year,
somebody died on that Trestle

1450
01:36:56,800 --> 01:37:01,600
while he was working there.
It claims that I think I found

1451
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:04,500
the number.
The total number.

1452
01:37:04,500 --> 01:37:06,600
Yeah.
He was just saying his time.

1453
01:37:07,700 --> 01:37:09,700
Yeah.
It's just 34.

1454
01:37:09,700 --> 01:37:12,000
It was probably more because
they're still doing it.

1455
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:15,000
Yeah.
It's not a thing that's probably

1456
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:20,200
going to stop anytime soon.
Unfortunately.

1457
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:22,500
Now I remember, yeah, here's the
thing.

1458
01:37:22,500 --> 01:37:26,500
I'm not super interested in
meeting a goat man, in general.

1459
01:37:26,900 --> 01:37:30,700
No, no.
Because we see, like, depictions

1460
01:37:30,700 --> 01:37:36,100
of see him like the devil.
So, I mean, like, well, like I

1461
01:37:36,100 --> 01:37:41,200
said, yeah, like you said, these
are all very close to devil.

1462
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:45,600
People goats aren't exactly all
that nice to begin with.

1463
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:49,700
It's true.
Like you're worried about goats

1464
01:37:49,700 --> 01:37:54,100
and goats are trash.
Listen they're aggressive.

1465
01:37:54,100 --> 01:37:58,600
They eat your clothes.
Shit goes for trash.

1466
01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:01,700
So I'm just saying like he's
probably got a bad disposition

1467
01:38:01,700 --> 01:38:05,900
if he's part goat.
Oh, you know what I think.

1468
01:38:07,300 --> 01:38:10,000
I remember what you're talking
about when we first brought this

1469
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:13,900
up and it's that there was a
movie about it.

1470
01:38:14,300 --> 01:38:17,200
It's called The let the legend
of the Pope lick monsters only

1471
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:23,200
16 minutes though.
And it came out in 1988

1472
01:38:23,900 --> 01:38:26,100
interested.
I'm not sure if there are any

1473
01:38:26,100 --> 01:38:28,700
other movies about know it.
Yep.

1474
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:33,500
No, it doesn't sound super.
I honestly, it's kind of sort of

1475
01:38:33,900 --> 01:38:39,400
reminds me of the video game,
The Quarry like they're sort of

1476
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:46,400
story situation that happens
with Freak Show.

1477
01:38:46,500 --> 01:38:50,600
Yes, okay yes yes.
Yeah only it's a different kind

1478
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:53,300
of monster but I was like oh
that's similar I wonder if

1479
01:38:53,300 --> 01:38:58,500
that's where they got the idea
from interesting maybe and like

1480
01:38:58,900 --> 01:39:00,900
I would rather meet his
Sheepsquatch.

1481
01:39:00,900 --> 01:39:06,500
Then we the pope lick monster
just saying, so question

1482
01:39:06,500 --> 01:39:08,700
Sheepsquatch is it just a
Giant's?

1483
01:39:09,300 --> 01:39:12,400
She okay.
So the Sheepsquatch is kind of

1484
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:15,500
like So you haven't played
Fallout 76.

1485
01:39:15,500 --> 01:39:19,400
Oh yeah, but see it's I haven't
seen one in the game.

1486
01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:26,000
It's a very furry large type of
They called us youth squads,

1487
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:29,000
because it's big for one.
It's big like this.

1488
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:32,500
A nice at all know.
They're big.

1489
01:39:32,500 --> 01:39:35,600
They have it's got a skull face.
It's Terrance.

1490
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:40,600
So I think Sheepsquatch them
like cute, no coffee.

1491
01:39:40,700 --> 01:39:45,400
They're just very hairy and they
have they have sheep or Ram's

1492
01:39:45,400 --> 01:39:49,000
horns as you know, overheads
and.

1493
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:52,300
Yeah, I don't want to meet these
guys in the game.

1494
01:39:52,300 --> 01:39:54,500
They're not fun to fight.
I'll tell you that for Right

1495
01:39:54,508 --> 01:39:56,500
now.
Don't fight them alone.

1496
01:39:56,500 --> 01:40:02,500
I remember hearing you be mad.
Okay um so here's one more

1497
01:40:02,500 --> 01:40:04,400
thing.
So you remember that that

1498
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:08,600
Cryptid love coloring book.
I have ha ha.

1499
01:40:08,700 --> 01:40:13,000
So there's a thing in here for
the pope lick monster.

1500
01:40:13,900 --> 01:40:16,200
Uh-huh!
Do you want me to read his

1501
01:40:16,200 --> 01:40:18,400
dating profile for you?
Sure.

1502
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:19,800
Let's see.
Who he wants to be.

1503
01:40:20,100 --> 01:40:25,200
Okay, so the tagline says,
looking for someone on track.

1504
01:40:27,800 --> 01:40:32,400
I love it.
It's name is Slick.

1505
01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:40,100
The pope liquor.
Turn-ons 50.

1506
01:40:40,100 --> 01:40:46,200
Filthy fishnet stockings turnoff
is Mondays.

1507
01:40:46,700 --> 01:40:50,900
Yes, okay.
Favorite movie is the two popes.

1508
01:40:52,900 --> 01:40:56,500
Okay.
And I guess their profile

1509
01:40:56,500 --> 01:40:57,700
paragraph.
They have.

1510
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:01,300
Can you feel that vibration a
connection?

1511
01:41:01,700 --> 01:41:04,400
I promise you.
This is not the hypnotic

1512
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:07,200
suggestion.
Just take a little stroll.

1513
01:41:07,500 --> 01:41:10,800
Over by those train tracks.
You'll be fine promise.

1514
01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:15,100
What do you say cat?
Got your tongue coat.

1515
01:41:15,100 --> 01:41:19,900
Goat, has you by the throat?
This sheep has come to put you

1516
01:41:19,900 --> 01:41:22,300
to sleep.
Ha ha ha.

1517
01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:26,300
I'm just messing with you.
So, what are you doing?

1518
01:41:26,300 --> 01:41:28,600
Friday night.
Oh my God.

1519
01:41:30,300 --> 01:41:36,600
He loved the think so much and
then yeah, it has a picture of

1520
01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:39,200
it.
Of course because it's a

1521
01:41:39,208 --> 01:41:42,500
coloring book.
But like, yeah, the picture is

1522
01:41:42,500 --> 01:41:46,700
basically, it's not even like a
goat person.

1523
01:41:46,700 --> 01:41:52,000
It's deep, it's like a demon, it
just looks like a demon, like a

1524
01:41:52,008 --> 01:41:57,600
demon on a stripper pole.
If that's that's that's the only

1525
01:41:57,600 --> 01:41:59,600
way I can explain this how it
looks.

1526
01:41:59,800 --> 01:42:09,400
Um whoo that was fun during well
we had a nice, a nice podcast

1527
01:42:09,400 --> 01:42:13,700
today.
Yes, if you're still here with

1528
01:42:13,700 --> 01:42:15,300
us, thank you so much for
listening.

1529
01:42:20,300 --> 01:42:21,600
See guys like you.