The Covid Episode: Robert Durst and The Roanoke Colony

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Hey, everybody.
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My name is Brittany.
Ransom money is Brian Joiner,

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and welcome to a special covid
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Crime segment because if you're
listening to this right now, A

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certain suspected serial killer
is dead and his name is Robert

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Durst a very wealthy heir to a
New York City.

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Conglomerate.
I don't even know what that had

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to describe it other than like
this is big, big money.

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And he I mean, he's been in
trouble since the 80s and a lot

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of people believe that he should
have been put in prison for a

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very long time but he was able
to avoid it.

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I'm going to try and give you a
little bit of a short snapshot

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of who he was his born in 1943,
he kind of carved out for

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himself a reputation.
Of being attached to less than

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Savory characters, which isn't
all that uncommon in New York,

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big, money, 40s, 50s 60s.
I mean, we're talking about the

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era when the mafia was a really
big deal.

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I mean, it was still a thing in
1982, His Wife disappeared and

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then in 2000, his friend.
Susan Berman.

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Who was his Alibi for Kathleen's
disappearance?

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Died.
And then a year later when he

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was in Texas for some bizarre
reason, he said he accidentally

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killed his next door neighbor
and then dismember the body.

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How do you accidentally do the
head?

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He said, he accidentally shot
him and then rather than tell

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people he proceeded to dismember
the body.

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Oh.
Okay.

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Into more of those details in a
little bit so he got acquitted

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of that murder.
And then in 2015, HBO the

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documentary called the Jinx, the
life, and death of Robert Durst.

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And in that documentary he
admitted to killing everybody.

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Okay?
I don't know if he thought that

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like there was a time period
that have passed or something,

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all right.
Yeah but then he went to jail

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for Susan Berman's murder and
then literally October.

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Yeah, they got him for Kathleen
but we're gonna we're not we're

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not there yet.
So early life.

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Like I said, April 12 1943, New
York City Bernice and Seymour

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Durst.
His grandfather was from Austria

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and 19 and came here in 1902.
The guy had nothing and like

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real.
Like honestly his grandfather is

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the actual, like American Dream
came here with nothing pulled

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himself up by his bootstraps.
He actually did that by 1915.

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The grandfather had saved up
enough. if money to buy a

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property, And so then in 1927,
he created the Durst

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organization Incorporated and
that became this massive existed

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Mega real estate company.
That is just got a lot of money.

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I wouldn't try and explain the
the breadth of this they're

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worth 8.1 billion dollars.
Billion billion dollars.

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Yeah.
So Robert's father Seymour

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carried on the business after
his dad died in 1950.

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Their mom fell from a roof of
her home and die and that was

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the first like tragedy and
Roberts life.

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Now newspaper says that she was
on medication that she was

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taking for asthma and she got
disoriented and fell off the

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roof but obviously there's lots
of suspicions there.

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Was it suicide or was it murder?
You don't know.

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He graduated from Scarsdale High
School moved to Pennsylvania,

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just down the road and went to
Lehigh University.

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Hey yeah, business and economics
and so with that degree, 1965 he

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heads West to go become a doctor
at UCLA, he meets his friend,

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Susan, Berman.
She's the daughter of a Las

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Vegas mobster and that would
begin his connection to unsavory

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characters.
He drops out of UCLA.

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Would you say that was going to
say?

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Like I don't know how people can
get connected with these kinds

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of people but somehow they find
friends in real life.

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I think when you are dealing
with, like high volumes of

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Unnie.
It's an inevitable crossover.

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Whether your money is legit or
not.

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They are also moving High
quantities of money, true.

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And then there becomes probably
comment like you go to clubs

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together.
Things like that they're becomes

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conversations of, well, I have a
lot of money, a new blood money,

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can we work together and make
more money?

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Yeah, you know because the thing
is if somebody who is well a

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perfect example would be the art
World in a least, the US, I

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don't know about globally, but I
know in the US the fine art

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community is a way that people
who are doing unsavory things

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absolutely launder money.
They take money that they have

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gotten through legal means they
decide that a particular artist

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is the new, you know, Muse the
on G do and they buy this kids

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like they might buy.
This person's art for like five

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million dollars, ten million
dollars, crazy amounts of money.

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And really what they're doing is
now it's a legal, it's legally

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in the system, that's a legal
purchase.

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And then it gets swapped between
people sometimes between the

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same people back and forth.
Hmm.

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Interesting.
It's all sorts of sorted

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horrible thing.
That's why honestly, I believe

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there's so much crime in the art
industry to.

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It's not just because these
Pieces cost so much money.

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I think it's because there's so
many people involved in it.

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Who are on the criminal side
because there's so much art

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being stolen.
All over the world all the time

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but that's another day.
I'm a big fan of heist so I know

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too much about this anyway,
remember I told you he was

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studying to be a doctor and UCLA
drops out in 1969, kind of right

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before he was going to be done.
But he went back to New York, he

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met, who he would Mary Kathleen,
McCormick, she was a dental

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hygienist 1971, they move in,
get married in 73.

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Seems happy.
Everything's doing great except

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for the fact that Durst is
possessive and abusive.

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And then she just disappears in
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He's questioned police.
Do their best, and it's just

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gone. 1990 he officially gets a
divorce moves in with a new

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girlfriend.
That becomes a second wife.

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He keeps working for a family
business, totally.

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Just He becomes kind of a jerk
to his family and he his

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siblings don't want to talk to
him anymore.

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So he spends most of the 90s
just kind of like Around

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America.
They're not quite sure what he's

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doing.
Is it legal?

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Probably not.
And he kind of reappears in 95

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when his dad dies in 2000.
Westchester County, New York,

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district attorney bring up
Kathleen's disappearance ago and

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they intended to interview.
A bunch of different people who

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were a part of it and obviously,
Susan Berman was his alibi.

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Susan, same here.
Susan's found shot dead in her

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home in LA.
While this is going on, Robert

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Durst is in Texas.
Pretending to be a mute woman.

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Trying to hide.
The jet.

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He's like trying to be like an
old lady. the only problem is,

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he gets himself back in the
spotlight because He's the his

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neighbor like literally crossed
the hall from him and apartment

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complex is shot and then chopped
up and dumped in a fat and a

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nearby Bay near Galveston.
And he's obviously the number

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one suspect because he's as
weirdo across the hall from him.

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So it takes like a while to find
him and bring him in and 2003.

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He testifies that the to, he
shot him when the two were

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struggling for control over a
gun.

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And I distinctly, remember this
case, because I remember being

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in high school and I remember my
teacher, telling me that Texas

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was just different And he said
that these two old guys had

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fought over gun.
One of them had gotten shot.

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The other guy, had this headed,
chopped him up and that was this

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case.
He gets acquitted though.

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He said he was in a panic.
I don't buy that but okay.

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Well after he's he go, he goes
to jail for like a much smaller

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offense, you know, nothing
important, he gets released and

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he sells his whole stake in the
family business, which is a

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pretty big deal.
But then again, like I said, his

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family really wasn't vibing with
him at that point.

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Our he got like some petty
crimes.

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I mean, one of my favorite ones
was that, let's see, 2014.

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He was in a drugstore in CVS and
he peed on a rack of candy.

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Another time he was in
Pennsylvania at a Wegmans and he

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stole a sandwich when there was
thirty-seven thousand dollars in

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his car in cash.
Why, why don't you just use the

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money, okay?
Okay, so either way, so, you

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know, since your crime is what
it is director, Andrew jarecki

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was just like this is a good
story.

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This guy, why?
Old.

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So he directs and co-writes the
Jinx, the life, and death of

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Robert Durst, six parts, loads
of interviews with everybody who

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ever knew him.
And of course he doesn't

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interview in that one where he
says I killed them all.

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I wrote it down.
It was like the exact quote.

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It was wild students told, like
total nut?

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He seems like it.
He looks like it.

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Yeah, yeah, I feel it.
Yeah, ha ha.

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He looks like someone who did
not associate with his family at

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all.
He's like the grumpy old Miser.

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Well with that.
With some of the evidence that

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shown in the Jinx, and the fact
that he did early says, like all

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of them, kill them all.
The authorities are like,

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alright, we are looking back at
this again.

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March 14th 2015, right before
the last episode because it was

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like a six-week airing right
before the last episode was

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released.
He gets arrested in New Orleans

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for killing Berman.
They also charged him with

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possessing a firearm because he
doesn't have a license to do

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that and then we see I'm not.
He also got hit with a wrongful

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death lawsuit, by his first
wife's family, who to this day

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are like, They never let up
about finding him remember 2016.

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He appears in Los Angeles Court
to defend themselves against

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killing Kathy Berman and he
says, like I want to say here.

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Now, I am not guilty.
They have a bunch of hearings It

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gets postponed all the way to
April of 2018. 30.

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And finally in 2017, they
officially declare Kathleen

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Durst at.
Her family ramps, it up into

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high gear.
They file even filing a lawsuit

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against his second wife.
Deborah, they fell another

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lawsuit requiring like documents
that Frederick's.

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Had to be released like, all
sorts of stuff.

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In fact, they make a movie about
her on Lifetime called The Lost

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wife of Robert Durst that comes
out, November 2017.

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And that's we, there's a book
called The Deadly Secret.

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The strange disappearance of
Kathie Durst. 2002.

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Wild enough Katharine.
McPhee place, his wife. so, all

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of this just ramps up to the
fact that Gosh, sorry.

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I have like so many things over.
Now, you're good.

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So, he gets convicted of Kathy
and she go to prison. and they

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so he's in prison and and L.a.
now but New York is like, we're

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gonna push this.
So really nothing happens in

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regards to him.
He's in jail.

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Hmm.
And then he gets arrested for

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cat for his Kathleen, Durst
death.

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And they bring them over New
York and like the pictures are

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insane here.
Like he's wearing a mask in a

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wheelchair.
He's 77 years old at this point.

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Like, New York did not care.
They wanted this man.

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He was looking rough.
Yeah, yeah, back to got covid.

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Right after he was convicted of
Kathleen's death.

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On October. look at over twenty,
second, twenty Twenty-One and He

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pretty much had a bad time from
that point on a lot of health

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issues, but eventually they got
him for everything, the LA trial

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in March of 2024 pathy.
Berman and then owner, Kathy

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Berman, sorry, Cathy is Durst
for Berman and like I said,

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Kathleen's family.
Finally got some sort of I did.

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Yeah, exact over 19. 20 21.
He finally.

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Finally, I went down for feeling
his first wife, but he got covid

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right after and he was just
pretty much struggling non-stop

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after that he's hospitalized.
He was sentenced to life in

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prison for killing his wife.
And according to his attorney

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chip Louis, he was being
transported to a hospital to

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undergo testing.
When he went into cardiac

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arrest.
On January. 10th was like 22.

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He's like yesterday.
Oh God.

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He died yesterday. 70 years old.
So he didn't get, I guess you

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didn't say he was in prison that
long, but there was some level

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of Justice, you know.
I'm not a wild.

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Yeah, it's a while.
I get a whole lobster, there's

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even more weird stuff like all
the petty crimes that he was

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doing even though he had all
this.

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Yeah.
I just love, I just love that.

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I'm like, really, he was in a
Wegmans like you just.

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Yeah, like you just did all this
stuff for what just for fun or

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something.
And the thing was he was wanted

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at that point.
So he did not give a fuck.

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Yeah, like fuck it.
That was in like, I'm in 2001.

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I would have been like, just
going in high school.

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Yeah.
And like when I say, I mean, it

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was Lehigh.
Valley was a Bethlehem Wegmans.

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Oh damn.
Okay.

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Like real the app work away and
like, what a weird situation but

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you know, I guess everybody gets
their final, uh, Just Desserts.

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Yeah, and yeah so I'm happy that
her family got some semblance of

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Justice, you know, and the end
and I listen as someone who has

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covid right now, I know he
wasn't having a good time.

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We at least got his last couple
of months were tough.

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They put him on a ventilator a
couple of times oof, so, I know

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he was feeling bad.
At least we could say that.

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that's all I got for you short,
very truncated, look into Robert

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durst's life and death.
Okay, very good, very good.

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Okay.
What is on the is it paranormal

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is a Cryptid.
What we do today?

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It's neither.
Oh, you guys are getting a

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history lesson today, sorry.
Okay.

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Well actually it's a little.
Okay, it's strange.

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It's a strange story.
That's why as y la like paranoid

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people.
They talk about it a lot like

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everybody talks about a lot.
So, hmm.

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Consider, if you will, you are a
man, you're a settlor from

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England in charge of one of the
first attempt at settlements.

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In the Americas.
You leave your settlement to go

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back to England for supplies,
but circumstances didn't allow

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for you to return about three
years later when you return,

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your family and friends are
missing the colonies desert it.

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And the only sign of a clue is
Is etched into a nearby tree

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reading Crow.
Oh, yeah, cr0, this is one of

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the biggest unsolved.
Things this yet and full word

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Croatoan is written on a wooden
stake in front of the colony.

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You never hear from your family
again, and disappearance of your

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Colony will be one of America's
oldest Unsolved Mysteries.

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This is the Lost Colony of
Roanoke.

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So yeah, this I guess it is
going to be like a history

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lesson for you guys, but it's
like, it's a mystery.

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It's like one of the biggest
mysteries, like no one knows,

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what the hell happened here.
I mean, they're from what I

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understand, people don't even
know what color.

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Well, we get into that.
Yeah.

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So Croatoan is actually one of
the islands that At where that's

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it was by Roanoke Island.
So yeah.

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Yeah, they were.
This is like in history books.

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The Lost column?
Yeah, yeah.

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So I'm sorry.
I feel bad for dude, here.

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Illegitimate like was gone for a
while.

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Brittany.
We're going to get into his his

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struggle because all right.
This would be an struggle that

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you get back to his people.
All right.

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Let's do it.
History of the Lost Colony of

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Roanoke.
Okay, so this man, his name was

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John White, of course.
But before we get into John

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White's story well the whitest
white name you could ever get

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before going to John White's,
Roanoke story.

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Had to begin with the very first
Roanoke colony.

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That was attempted.
So this is Hope.

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Yes.
So it's the same Colony, but

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it's there was like a first
attempt at making this colony

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and then later on, like, I think
a year or so later, a second

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attempt was made to re-establish
it ouchies.

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Yeah, yeah let me know in the
pilgrims.

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Yeah, so it's just the second
attempt wasn't even supposed to

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be at Roanoke Island is supposed
to be along the Chesapeake Bay.

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That's a nice area.
Yeah, because I'll get into that

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horse.
Yeah, but yeah, the Second Step.

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Wasn't he supposed to be Roanoke
Island and circumstances made

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them end up at Roanoke Island?
Which I will talk about that

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too.
Which is fucking insane.

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Okay, so this whole thing this
whole like I guess establishing

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like a colony in the Americas
was part of Sir Walter Raley's

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attempt to make the first like
English settlement in the North.

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Erica.
I mean he was successful.

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Do we have a Raleigh North
Carolina?

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Right.
Yeah.

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So either way, I know there's
City down there named after that

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dude.
Like there's there's a place.

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Oh goodness, I'm helping jump
ahead but there's a place called

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well that was supposed to be
named the City of Raleigh that

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John White was supposed to
establish on his way to on his

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way back to the Americas.
But I didn't.

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Well, he wasn't able to
circumstances, do not allow them

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to do that.
Well, um, failure.

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This is like this this whole
thing I want to tell you right

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now is just to leave it to the
good part, okay.

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So this all begins in 1853 where
does idea is just, you know,

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established, you know, John, I'm
not John Walter Reilly, he's

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like, okay, this is what we're
going to do.

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But the Colony of Roanoke wasn't
officially found it until like

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1585.
So and 1584 two ships and make

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their way to Rhode Island, which
is located inside the Outer

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Banks.
So if you're like from Virginia

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and Virginia area, Outer Banks,
just like a group of islands.

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It's like this that's a string
of Border Islands.

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I'm not sure there for vacation.
Yes, yes.

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When they arise are greeted by
the indigenous, people of the,

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you know, the island and, you
know, those are all friendly,

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yukking it up and whatnot.
So these two ships were there to

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scout out the area for colonies
to build, of course.

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And they spent about a month
there and returned to England

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then.
So this, yeah, this soda two

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ships that were just sent there.
They were just like a scouting.

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On a scouting Mission.
Just yeah, just to get

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information about the area.
So these people and take their

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land, I don't think that was
there.

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That was their plan as of right
now.

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I mean yeah.
So who's in charge of this?

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Of course, Sir Walter Reilly.
He wasn't night it until he

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returned.
So like during this Exodus

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scouting Mission, he was just
you know Walter Reilly and then

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he was knighted when they
returned back to England.

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Good Deeds of finding stuff for
finding stuff.

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Yeah, you know, he goes to the
Queen, Elizabeth the First and

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he's all like, you know, I got
this this bomb a spot for us

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like the planner Our first like
a feet in this cutting his

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country, right?
And she's like, I bet.

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So what happens is they heat,
Riley.

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He plan on making like a
settlement like a colony.

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And like the outer banks are
somewhere by the Outer Banks,

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like one of the islands inside
the Outer Banks, because of, I

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guess, a strategic strategic
type of military thing And I'm

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not trying to get too into it
because I don't really

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understand it.
But apparently, we're Roanoke

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Island is inside the outer side
to Outer Banks.

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It's it's like there's easy
passage to like the sea and then

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I guess if like Spanish ships
were to like sale by the outer

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banks by Roanoke Island, they'd
be able to like Ambush them from

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inside the Outer Banks.
So Sir Walter Reilly is like, I

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want this area we're going to
have to re like we had to set up

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something here so we can like if
Spanish or is the Spanish are

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trying to like make your way to
England will be able to spot

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them from like this area right
here.

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So, Yeah, and they decide to
name this area Virginia because

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the queen was a virgin
apparently, but so was, I was

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like what I'm all about.
Yeah, when I wrote this, when I

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wrote this down, I was like You,
but I'm still people are still

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skeptical.
I'm sorry.

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Anyway, boom.
Roasted anyway.

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So if we have seven, okay, go
ahead like the Virgin Queen.

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Yes, yes.
I'm trying to remember why

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though.
But why was she the Virgin

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Queen?
I don't know that.

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It looks really true that it
just make, did you?

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Oh oh oh oh she never got
married.

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Oh, so she became Queen and she
never took a husband.

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Well, listen, nobody was asking
about what was going on in the

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Queen of England.
But as far as the people were

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concerned, since she never
formally got married, she was a

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virgin forever.
Okay?

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Okay, whatever.
They say, whatever.

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Whatever, I'm not here to judge,
I did not Samuel judge.

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I, you know what?
Oh god.

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Mmm.
Okay.

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Anyway.
So Fleet of seven ships makes

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her way from England in 1585, So
they had enough Provisions to

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last at least a year.
So the ships were loaded with

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about 600 men, not sure how it
is now, but the Waters of the

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Outer Banks, we're pretty bad.
So choppy is yeah.

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Okay.
So it's still terrible.

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Even what's up?
I feel like most of the Atlantic

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Ocean.
Like, I don't know, anywhere,

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really?
It's California.

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Have like nice gentle beaches
because I've never known any my

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life.
Ya know what Jerry that will

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wear South Carolina, Virginia.
What are called?

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Yeah, it's still fun.
But like you you feel the pull

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when you're in the water it like
it's pulling you down oh you're

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not down but like pulling you
down stream.

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Yeah is definitely trying to get
you home.

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So as soon as the flagship its
name the tiger, it's about sort

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of tiger is about to pass
through.

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You know that the Outer Banks
hits the Shoal And for anyway,

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doesn't know what a show is.
It's like a submerged see Bank

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in shallow water.
So they hit like this.

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This and it's a sandbank not to
see make my bad this typo.

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It's a sandbank.
So as soon as it hits like this,

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they hit like the shell.
Yeah.

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Of the continent.
Yeah.

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Yes.
And the whole of the ship is

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ruptured and this is the
flagship that is hit.

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00:34:20,300 --> 00:34:24,900
So, all those are Provisions,
are on his flagship.

449
00:34:27,900 --> 00:34:31,100
Most of the provisions are
ruined.

450
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,000
They're spoiled thanks to the
seawater.

451
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:40,100
So yeah, so they couldn't save
all the revisions at all.

452
00:34:40,100 --> 00:34:44,600
Like they like most of their
stuff was gone in.

453
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,000
The flagship was almost
destroyed.

454
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,100
They had like the flagship had
to sit there for repairs for a

455
00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:54,600
while this but so what their
food gone?

456
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,000
This of course, wasn't going to
be enough for For about 600 men

457
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:06,200
to live off for about a year.
So yeah, that's the it's it was

458
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,400
a lot of people.
So they reduced their numbers to

459
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:15,300
about 100 men.
And this one, these 100 men

460
00:35:15,300 --> 00:35:24,100
would stay behind and they would
be governed by certain not sir.

461
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:31,800
A man named Ralph Lee Ralph
Lane, God, can't talk and they

462
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,700
were only supposed to say they
were only supposed to, like, be

463
00:35:34,700 --> 00:35:37,000
waiting there for like, a couple
months because there was

464
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:42,900
supposed to be a Supply ship,
that was supposed to come like a

465
00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:48,900
couple months later.
Yeah, we'll get into that later.

466
00:35:50,700 --> 00:35:52,000
Okay.
Yeah.

467
00:35:53,900 --> 00:35:57,300
So yeah, there's there's,
there's supposed to be Supply

468
00:35:57,300 --> 00:36:01,300
ship.
So they get to Roanoke Island

469
00:36:01,700 --> 00:36:10,800
and they begin building this
colony And they, you know, they

470
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:15,000
got the judges in his people's
permission to like build his

471
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:20,600
colony in this area.
I believe.

472
00:36:22,300 --> 00:36:26,000
I'm not going to say it right,
but it's cecal 10.

473
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:36,900
Just like, oh, tens, SEC otan.
Yeah.

474
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:43,500
Yeah, I know, they're Algonquin.
But yes, yes they are.

475
00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:47,000
So yeah, they got their
approval.

476
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,400
So this is like that was like
the main colony of the rain I

477
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:58,100
guess tribe on Roanoke.
So Of course, they ran out of

478
00:36:58,100 --> 00:37:04,400
supplies and they had to rely on
the psycho attends.

479
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,200
Generosity bless your heart,
that you don't do, you have to

480
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:09,900
know all the other villages in
that area.

481
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:17,700
I there's only like one other
one, but that's about it, okay?

482
00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:20,600
Cuz there's a couple of other
indigenous tribes in that area

483
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,700
that are not yet.
Know, Chesapeake, is also

484
00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:26,600
another one.
I mean, We saw the name.

485
00:37:27,900 --> 00:37:29,700
There's a couple other than our
real intense.

486
00:37:30,100 --> 00:37:32,500
He had early 45.
I saw it.

487
00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:36,400
I was like, I'm not reading
those it because I'm not gonna

488
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,300
be able to pronounce those a
quagga stock.

489
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,800
Probably looks like, what the
hell?

490
00:37:57,900 --> 00:38:01,800
But you know, they didn't have
much to spare to these these

491
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,800
colonists either because they
had their own people to feed.

492
00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:08,900
So I'm like, we know what it's
like on the East Coast.

493
00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:10,000
These people.
Don't.

494
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:16,400
Yeah, exactly.
So, a lot of the English men

495
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:23,100
that came, you know, with this.
The ships and they heard Tales

496
00:38:23,100 --> 00:38:26,000
of like gold and copper and
area.

497
00:38:26,300 --> 00:38:32,000
So so that so they're there to,
you know, do some exploring.

498
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,100
They were also you know, doing
research on the indigenous

499
00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:43,900
tribes as well.
This was until something strange

500
00:38:43,900 --> 00:38:48,600
started to happen.
Now stop me if you've heard this

501
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:54,100
one before, okay?
Okay every time the English word

502
00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:59,500
visit a village, a lot of the
editions people started getting

503
00:38:59,500 --> 00:39:03,400
sick and dying just falling
dead.

504
00:39:04,500 --> 00:39:14,100
Yeah, at this time, the people
of the village, didn't know of

505
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:18,100
air borne illnesses.
Mrs. So they thought they knew

506
00:39:18,100 --> 00:39:20,400
of their own illnesses.
Just yeah.

507
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:26,700
When you travel now exactly
prepared, be ready to get very

508
00:39:26,700 --> 00:39:27,900
sick.
Yeah.

509
00:39:27,900 --> 00:39:32,100
They didn't they didn't know I
guess English don't assist.

510
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,700
So they thought the English were
basically killing him from like

511
00:39:38,700 --> 00:39:41,000
a distance with like some type
of magic.

512
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,500
Yeah.
This, of course.

513
00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:49,600
I mean, it's close its close.
They were close.

514
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,400
Yes, of course.
It was from a distance.

515
00:39:53,500 --> 00:39:55,700
Yeah.
If it was some type of, I mean,

516
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,100
the same thing that we're
killing the English too.

517
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,400
Yeah.
And we're talking about, you

518
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:06,900
know, like the Trail of Tears
giving people swap off think

519
00:40:06,900 --> 00:40:10,300
like smallpox blankets no no
they didn't have them.

520
00:40:10,300 --> 00:40:13,100
Like the English didn't have the
medicine to take care of

521
00:40:13,100 --> 00:40:15,800
themselves so they were also
dying from these days.

522
00:40:16,300 --> 00:40:19,100
Yeah, it's not like they weren't
doing it on purpose.

523
00:40:19,100 --> 00:40:24,700
Not this time, not this time.
No, they definitely realize how

524
00:40:24,700 --> 00:40:29,200
to weaponize European illnesses
against indigenous people but at

525
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,900
this point in history this is
just pure old ignorance.

526
00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:34,500
Yep.
And not.

527
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,000
Using that, when you have two
different ecosystems,

528
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:43,200
interacting the British, you're
gonna take on illnesses, they've

529
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,300
never had before, and so we're
second to try it.

530
00:40:48,700 --> 00:40:50,700
You know.
But no.

531
00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:52,000
Absolutely.
I would have been like nah.

532
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,400
Nah, nah.
Y'all can't come around here.

533
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:58,500
No more.
So this of course was the spread

534
00:40:58,500 --> 00:41:04,900
of an epidemic brought on by
like we said, the English It was

535
00:41:04,900 --> 00:41:08,700
either it was either smallpox or
the flu that was reading.

536
00:41:12,100 --> 00:41:16,700
Yeah, yeah.
So here's a mr.

537
00:41:16,700 --> 00:41:26,700
Parker Okay, so One of the one
of the leaders, his name was

538
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:32,000
when Gana, when Gina, when the
Gana, lagina, whatever.

539
00:41:33,100 --> 00:41:37,500
So he gets really sick, right?
And as people, they, of course,

540
00:41:37,500 --> 00:41:39,700
they can't treat him because
they don't know what the hell

541
00:41:39,700 --> 00:41:43,300
this is.
So, you know, he asked to

542
00:41:43,300 --> 00:41:47,800
English to pray for him.
Lady, come and pray for him and

543
00:41:48,100 --> 00:41:52,700
he recovers Yay.
Yeah, yeah, right.

544
00:41:53,900 --> 00:41:59,400
So he goes he's like he goes
like your parent, your prayers.

545
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,400
They healed me.
How about you English?

546
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:07,600
Men, go to the other tribes and
other people like the other

547
00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:12,000
Villages around here.
That are affected with this

548
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:22,500
illness and go praise are as
well this of course did not

549
00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:24,700
work.
It actually kind of like

550
00:42:24,700 --> 00:42:28,400
exacerbated his situation
causing the illness has spread

551
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:35,900
even more killing weapon.
They created a super spreader.

552
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,700
Thank you, super spreader event
unintentionally.

553
00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:48,600
Hmm, yes, he did.
I also the Harvest wasn't faring

554
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,200
very well.
I want to say, due to the

555
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:58,000
epidemic that was going on right
there, which meant very little

556
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:08,900
food to be like to share. so at
this time, When im going to say

557
00:43:08,900 --> 00:43:12,900
when Jenna and that's his name,
that's his name for now, when

558
00:43:12,900 --> 00:43:18,600
Jenna whatever and in Lane, they
weren't really seeing eye to eye

559
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,100
at this point.
Both were like kind of

560
00:43:22,107 --> 00:43:28,000
suspicious of the others.
And like, just, I was so I got

561
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,200
two sources from this one from
Wikipedia.

562
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,200
The other one will from a
YouTuber I will I will look his

563
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,600
name up, I forget what it is,
but I read I do. look at it and

564
00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:42,200
so, two different conflicting
things, but it kind of like It's

565
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:43,700
kind of like a common theme in
it.

566
00:43:43,700 --> 00:43:52,500
So it seems like at this time
when Jenna, he was like he was

567
00:43:52,500 --> 00:43:55,600
tired of like the English and
stuff like that.

568
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,500
He was like all right, you know
what, we don't have enough food

569
00:43:58,500 --> 00:44:00,200
for you guys.
We try to take care of our own

570
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:01,600
people.
Like we had this illness that's

571
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,700
going on, everybody's dying.
Like we got to take care of our

572
00:44:04,700 --> 00:44:16,500
own right now. and, so I guess
at this time Lane was like okay

573
00:44:16,500 --> 00:44:21,200
well I'm going to go look for
other Provisions you know, other

574
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,600
Elsewhere.
So that would be before they

575
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,800
attacked the colony.
Because I remember that

576
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,300
yesterday.
Yes, yes, this is before gay.

577
00:44:33,700 --> 00:44:37,500
Like I remember that part.
That was, we're just gonna steal

578
00:44:37,500 --> 00:44:40,100
it now part of History.
Yeah.

579
00:44:41,100 --> 00:44:51,200
So I guess when gent when Gina
he sorry excuse me he's you

580
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,800
know, he's tired.
So When Lena is gone, he's like

581
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,500
making his fans of just like,
you know.

582
00:44:56,900 --> 00:45:01,200
So what we're going to do is
what I move Inland off this

583
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:06,000
island to another tribe and like
live with them for winter

584
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,800
because like, we don't have
enough supplies for our people

585
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,100
and we're just going to leave
these English people to do

586
00:45:12,100 --> 00:45:15,400
whatever the hell they're going
to do and fuck them for the

587
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,900
winter for right now.
They can like they can start for

588
00:45:17,900 --> 00:45:25,000
all I care.
Yes. and for people who don't

589
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:31,500
under like understand cuz
Algonquin territories stretched.

590
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:39,600
Halfway like down the east coast
of the Americas all the way up

591
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,900
into Canada.
This was a major targets, but

592
00:45:43,900 --> 00:45:48,400
it's like a nation with smaller,
little tribes.

593
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,300
Yes.
And so, I wouldn't have been

594
00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:55,500
that crazy for them to reach out
to another Ally, essentially.

595
00:45:55,500 --> 00:46:01,600
I mean, this was essentially, A
sort of mini, like, I'm gonna

596
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,400
call it military because of what
the conversation is a modern

597
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,200
times, but it's like, oh, shoot.
Yeah.

598
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,700
It was like a cooperate, a
Cooperative like connective

599
00:46:10,700 --> 00:46:14,000
nation of multiple tribes.
And so, it wouldn't have been

600
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,600
that crazy for them to go to a
neighboring tribe and be like,

601
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:23,500
listen, we had a terrible, you
know, Harvest Help us.

602
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:29,000
Yes, please.
Yeah. like honestly awesome

603
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:33,200
history with the Algonquin
Nation, but Yeah.

604
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,000
So, I mean, this isn't that like
crazy with the, I mean, I guess

605
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,900
this this stat.
Let's goes all the way up to

606
00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:46,600
Eastern Canada, and then towards
western Canada and it's at

607
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:47,400
every.
Yeah.

608
00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:52,400
I mean, because essentially
people were showing up and I

609
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,400
mean, there need to be a united
front.

610
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,400
So they were, I guess allies
would be a better way, these

611
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:04,000
were, oh yeah, definitely
tribes. and there's like a bunch

612
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:09,700
of Nations that are like ankle
back and Yeah, there's a lot

613
00:47:09,700 --> 00:47:11,100
there's a lot and a whole lot of
stuff happened.

614
00:47:11,100 --> 00:47:13,100
During the Seven Years War, we
won't get her back.

615
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,700
Yeah.
Yeah, that's later in history.

616
00:47:15,700 --> 00:47:21,300
But yeah, yeah, hmm.
Okay, so, so they're planning on

617
00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:22,400
moving Inland.
So.

618
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:32,300
Okay.
I guess on Lanes trip again.

619
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:40,400
He He either context like a
neighboring like tribe and he

620
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,800
warns them of, you know, Lanes
going to be like visiting your

621
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,900
area, bubble blah, he might be a
little hostile.

622
00:47:48,900 --> 00:47:53,000
And, you know, he warns then,
you know, before before this, he

623
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:57,600
warns Lane of the same thing,
but of the tribe.

624
00:47:58,900 --> 00:48:03,600
So that's one again from
Wikipedia and it's like, so was

625
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:09,100
he trying to like Set Lanes,
thing Lanes party up for failure

626
00:48:09,100 --> 00:48:11,700
and then people are going to
like, you know, get people

627
00:48:11,700 --> 00:48:13,700
killed and stuff like that.
So he went to worry about my

628
00:48:13,707 --> 00:48:16,500
coming back.
It could have been a military

629
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,000
area of the British.
Yeah.

630
00:48:26,300 --> 00:48:30,400
Yeah.
And and I can totally see that.

631
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:37,300
Um, but either way either if it
was like a setup from again or

632
00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:42,600
just like something that's just
laying suspicion.

633
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:50,500
Lynn gets back, right?
Oh first first we're gonna, he

634
00:48:50,500 --> 00:48:58,700
actually changed his name, he
changed his name, it's a The

635
00:48:58,700 --> 00:49:01,000
premise happen.
Dairy go penicillin.

636
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,100
Yeah that's the name I know.
Yeah.

637
00:49:03,100 --> 00:49:06,100
Okay so you change the names of
famous shopping which means one

638
00:49:06,100 --> 00:49:09,900
who watches so he's like it's
basically like a message to like

639
00:49:09,900 --> 00:49:13,000
I'm watching.
Like I'm very very observant

640
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,700
that's okay.
Like I said, so like get a

641
00:49:17,700 --> 00:49:21,200
figure like I said, the
Algonquin Nation at this point

642
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:25,000
stretches.
Pull over jigna you know the

643
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,100
South Carolina is all the way up
to well into Eastern Canada,

644
00:49:29,100 --> 00:49:32,100
right?
So they are no strangers to

645
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:37,900
trading making deals setting up
protections and things of that

646
00:49:37,900 --> 00:49:39,600
nature, amongst tribes and
stuff.

647
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:44,300
So I don't think the initial
contact with the English was bad

648
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,800
but from everything that I've
learned through, like, the

649
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,500
history that my family's told me
about these situations.

650
00:49:52,700 --> 00:49:55,100
Whenever there were any
interactions with the British

651
00:49:55,100 --> 00:49:59,600
even when they tried to have
like normal business

652
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,200
arrangements with them, it
always breaks down and real

653
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,700
fast.
Yep, it sure did.

654
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:11,100
Um, could I just didn't know the
way that things?

655
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,100
Yeah.
And unfortunately, like a lot of

656
00:50:14,100 --> 00:50:16,100
times, like, I mean, the same
thing that happened with like

657
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,300
Pocahontas, like sometimes, I
would happen with the British

658
00:50:20,300 --> 00:50:24,200
was like, they would just be
like, We're done here and just

659
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:25,800
take stuff.
Yeah.

660
00:50:26,700 --> 00:50:28,400
So that's why there was lots of
fighting.

661
00:50:29,100 --> 00:50:36,600
Yeah so either way lane gets
back from this Expedition and

662
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,800
you know, he finds out that
premise oppan.

663
00:50:39,900 --> 00:50:43,400
He's like he they're going to
move Inland so you know.

664
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:50,100
He's like okay by supremacist
extensible with the amount of

665
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:55,000
hurricanes in that area that
break through the area.

666
00:50:55,000 --> 00:51:00,700
Yeah, well yes, terrible.
So moving Inland might also just

667
00:51:00,700 --> 00:51:03,400
be a smart decision because the
weather is bad.

668
00:51:03,700 --> 00:51:11,900
Absolutely.
So once they move Inland Lane

669
00:51:11,900 --> 00:51:19,300
starts his plotting on How to
get rid of?

670
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,700
I guess this gets some, I don't
know if it was supplies that he

671
00:51:23,700 --> 00:51:26,200
actually liked.
Was his main thing or just like

672
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:30,600
to Stage, you know, I mean like
to get rid of these, the

673
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:39,200
indigenous, right right there.
So on a day that kind of soften

674
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:43,800
and like, his his people, they
move Inland, I guess there's

675
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:48,100
like a meeting Lanes.
Moved there later on that night.

676
00:51:48,300 --> 00:51:50,400
And I was like, the next
morning.

677
00:51:50,700 --> 00:51:56,700
I think it's the next morning
and at this afternoon to meet

678
00:51:56,700 --> 00:51:59,700
the during a meeting laying
gives a signal to his people

679
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,600
that are like hiding in the
bushes.

680
00:52:01,700 --> 00:52:05,700
And that's this is when the
massacre begins.

681
00:52:09,100 --> 00:52:12,500
Basically they got everybody
they could everybody.

682
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:19,000
Yeah.
They that was the big attack.

683
00:52:19,300 --> 00:52:28,000
Yeah yeah the X-ray.
Yeah.

684
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:32,300
Yeah you know I think it was 86.
Yes because yeah.

685
00:52:33,700 --> 00:52:36,200
That was like a tribe decimating
attack.

686
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,600
Yeah, it's just so sucky doesn't
like they were leaving the area

687
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:41,900
you wanted.
Anyway.

688
00:52:42,500 --> 00:52:46,900
Yeah.
Emma sobbing.

689
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,800
I guess he's shot and he runs
away.

690
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:55,200
He's chased down by, you know,
the English man, and they bring

691
00:52:55,200 --> 00:53:00,100
his decapitated head back and
they stick it on a Pike in front

692
00:53:00,100 --> 00:53:10,700
of the colony on Roanoke Island.
So, there's that. so, this

693
00:53:10,700 --> 00:53:15,000
happened in beginning of June,
like the very like, I think the

694
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:20,100
first of June, actually, A week
later.

695
00:53:21,300 --> 00:53:24,500
They could have waited a week.
They could have waited like just

696
00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:29,100
a week later before they did
anything stupid like that a week

697
00:53:29,100 --> 00:53:32,900
later Sir.
Francis Drake is on his way back

698
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:38,000
to England and he had supplies
for this Roanoke colony.

699
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,900
So, like like he or he was
bringing supplies these famous

700
00:53:42,900 --> 00:53:45,500
people.
Like y'all could do could not

701
00:53:45,500 --> 00:53:51,000
have done this.
But nevertheless, whatever it

702
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:57,600
happened.
So Sir Francis Drake was

703
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:02,100
planning was that, you know, he
was going to leave a ship and

704
00:54:02,500 --> 00:54:05,900
and enough Provisions for this
Colony for about like four

705
00:54:05,900 --> 00:54:11,700
months.
But I believe a hurricane or a

706
00:54:11,707 --> 00:54:14,900
big storm happened whenever they
arrived.

707
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,000
So the ship that he was going to
leave.

708
00:54:17,100 --> 00:54:24,000
We've got swept out into the sea
so it was weird timing.

709
00:54:24,700 --> 00:54:29,100
Yeah.
Like this story is full of

710
00:54:30,300 --> 00:54:36,000
convenient, inconvenient things.
Like to call it karma buddy.

711
00:54:36,900 --> 00:54:39,400
Like the timing of everything.
Like what this whole roll,

712
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,700
nothing like the capitated old
boy.

713
00:54:44,900 --> 00:54:48,300
Yeah.
You know, so I really got whole

714
00:54:48,300 --> 00:54:51,300
lot of your feelings for you and
literally murdered an entire

715
00:54:51,300 --> 00:54:53,300
tribe.
So maybe that's why you can't

716
00:54:53,300 --> 00:54:57,100
get back.
Listen, I like to believe in

717
00:54:57,100 --> 00:55:01,800
Cosmic retribution.
Brittany Unfortunately, they do

718
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,100
get back.
Um, nah.

719
00:55:04,700 --> 00:55:09,900
So as this ship is swept off
Lane is desperate.

720
00:55:09,900 --> 00:55:13,100
So he goes to Drake and he's
like, can you like take us back

721
00:55:13,100 --> 00:55:17,300
to England?
Please because like, We have,

722
00:55:17,300 --> 00:55:22,300
we've had, you know, our fall
out with the people here and

723
00:55:22,300 --> 00:55:25,700
there's no supplies.
We don't we wouldn't have a way

724
00:55:25,700 --> 00:55:28,200
back, like the ship that you
wanted to leave.

725
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,900
Us is gone.
So we'd be straining here for

726
00:55:32,100 --> 00:55:34,300
like after like after our
Provisions were four months,

727
00:55:34,700 --> 00:55:41,000
like went up in smoke.
We'd be left to the elements and

728
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,900
the people here, because I'm
pretty sure that people that is

729
00:55:44,900 --> 00:55:48,000
just people.
There would have Killed them if

730
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,100
they had stayed.
They would have been dead.

731
00:55:52,300 --> 00:55:56,800
So Drake's like, all right.
Yeah, you guys can our boats, so

732
00:55:57,100 --> 00:56:03,400
they take them back.
To England, I guess, except for

733
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,700
three men who were just like
left behind.

734
00:56:05,700 --> 00:56:11,000
They didn't evacuate in time and
they were never heard from

735
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:15,900
again.
So like I said, remember, this

736
00:56:15,900 --> 00:56:18,900
was just all the setup for
what's going to happen next.

737
00:56:21,100 --> 00:56:27,900
So even though this first
expedition was kind of, well, I

738
00:56:27,900 --> 00:56:30,300
was going to say kind of value,
but it was like it was

739
00:56:30,300 --> 00:56:32,800
definitely like a complete
failure here.

740
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,800
What is it?
Walter Reilly Sir Walter Reilly

741
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,200
he's perfect.
He's persuaded again to to

742
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:50,900
return to Virginia or the outer
banks by unknown a man named

743
00:56:51,100 --> 00:56:54,700
John White.
Plus some other people as well,

744
00:56:56,700 --> 00:57:01,900
but not on Roanoke Island up,
because it obviously wasn't safe

745
00:57:01,900 --> 00:57:04,200
anymore.
Her force him to be living

746
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:11,700
there.
So the first settlement was

747
00:57:11,700 --> 00:57:15,900
definitely like aimed more
towards Merrill.

748
00:57:15,900 --> 00:57:24,600
Terry Outpost sort of like a
fort basically, but the second

749
00:57:25,700 --> 00:57:27,400
colonies element, whatever you
wanna call it.

750
00:57:27,408 --> 00:57:29,300
Column looks a colony because
they're colonists.

751
00:57:31,700 --> 00:57:39,500
It included.
It included more families and

752
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,500
there are no military at all.
At least, not an organized

753
00:57:43,500 --> 00:57:48,300
military.
So about 115.

754
00:57:48,300 --> 00:57:51,700
People are like, you know, let's
go, let's go.

755
00:57:51,700 --> 00:57:58,700
Let's let's try this again.
This included one of this

756
00:57:58,700 --> 00:58:01,900
included, John White's pregnant
daughter and her husband.

757
00:58:03,500 --> 00:58:05,300
So, she was like she was about
to give birth.

758
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:15,100
And 1587 because we shifts leave
England and they make their way

759
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:27,200
to Virginia.
So, The hold on a sec.

760
00:58:27,700 --> 00:58:31,500
Sorry, I'm still here.
I'm still here.

761
00:58:31,500 --> 00:58:34,900
Okay, I'm still here too.
I know Annalise break.

762
00:58:34,900 --> 00:58:35,500
No.
You're good.

763
00:58:35,500 --> 00:58:36,200
You're good.
You're good.

764
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,900
I'm just making sure my saying
because my back's up against

765
00:58:39,900 --> 00:58:46,500
sometimes anyway so the flagship
that they were also.

766
00:58:46,500 --> 00:58:50,200
It's like I said three ships.
Not this one.

767
00:58:51,000 --> 00:59:01,600
Yeah it's one big shot.
They were not.

768
00:59:01,700 --> 00:59:04,900
So this is where it gets weird.
Okay this is this is where

769
00:59:04,900 --> 00:59:09,900
things start to No, this is the
this is just weird.

770
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:16,100
This is just weird part.
So, it'll Flagship anchors at

771
00:59:16,100 --> 00:59:22,700
Croatoan Island right.
Now, this is a little, like, not

772
00:59:22,700 --> 00:59:24,400
that far away from Roanoke
Island.

773
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:33,800
It's like I said, part of the
Outer Banks. and, Whitehead

774
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:39,800
planned on whenever they had
like made land and like at

775
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:44,500
Chesapeake Bay that he was going
to take about like 40 men to go.

776
00:59:46,100 --> 00:59:50,400
Search for the, The Colony of
Roanoke.

777
00:59:52,600 --> 01:00:00,000
So why was he going to go there?
So before I think it was, it was

778
01:00:00,100 --> 01:00:02,000
I got to hear.
I got to hear written down, hold

779
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:10,900
on 1586 15 in 1586.
This was after like the whole

780
01:00:10,900 --> 01:00:17,200
colony was like abandoned and
like Lanes blames so like June.

781
01:00:19,100 --> 01:00:23,900
86 that horrible murder.
All the indigenous people

782
01:00:23,900 --> 01:00:25,200
moment.
Hmm.

783
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:31,900
And then he leaves yes and no
coming back in the same year but

784
01:00:31,900 --> 01:00:34,600
probably towards the end of the
year when it's the worst time to

785
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:39,400
be traveling.
Okay, so what happened after

786
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:48,000
Lane has left, there were other
fleets that had Going past the

787
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,200
Outer Banks and Roanoke Island
to get to England.

788
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:58,300
And one of the fleet's they you
know they checked out the The

789
01:00:58,300 --> 01:01:02,000
Colony and they said it was a
bad and blah blah blah.

790
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:10,800
And they decided to to leave 15
men there.

791
01:01:11,700 --> 01:01:14,200
Because they did not want to
leave the settlement.

792
01:01:15,700 --> 01:01:18,900
The Colony abandoned, didn't
want to leave it.

793
01:01:18,900 --> 01:01:26,100
Empty door unoccupied at all.
So 1586 15 men are left on this

794
01:01:26,100 --> 01:01:27,700
island.
I guess they had Provisions

795
01:01:27,700 --> 01:01:34,000
therefore whenever they knew
John White was coming, I guess.

796
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:41,300
So John way is told about these
15 men so he's like, all right,

797
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,800
I'm going to check on like we
can we could check on them after

798
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:48,900
we establish our base camp and
Chesapeake Bay.

799
01:01:49,300 --> 01:01:52,900
And then I'll give a good a
search party to get these 15

800
01:01:52,900 --> 01:01:55,000
guys off this island and they'll
come join us.

801
01:01:55,500 --> 01:02:01,600
Okay.
So Like I said, they're there

802
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,000
their original destination is
set as the Chesapeake Bay

803
01:02:04,100 --> 01:02:09,900
because one it's less dangerous.
The waters are a lot deeper in

804
01:02:09,900 --> 01:02:15,700
Chesapeake Bay than they are on
the Outer Banks and it was just

805
01:02:15,700 --> 01:02:19,300
like an easier.
I guess an easier way for like

806
01:02:19,300 --> 01:02:22,200
ships to, to get in and out of
the sea.

807
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:28,700
I'm sorry.
Something in micro know.

808
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,400
It's a frog in my throat.
Hmm.

809
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:36,400
And and lamb was more fertile
are too because in Outer Banks

810
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,000
is just like it was just hard to
grow stuff.

811
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:52,600
So, Instead of getting to
Chesapeake Bay as ahead plan is

812
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:56,600
there was so John, John White
was the captain of his ship,

813
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:02,400
right?
But there was also a I guess a

814
01:03:02,408 --> 01:03:04,500
pilot.
I'm not sure what you would call

815
01:03:05,100 --> 01:03:11,700
a navigator I guess ownership
who was way more experience.

816
01:03:11,900 --> 01:03:15,100
And then John White at selling
and stuff like that.

817
01:03:15,100 --> 01:03:21,300
So the whole crew respected this
guy or a John White his name was

818
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:27,900
Sam Mel Fernand Ferdinand
Fernandez my bad his name was

819
01:03:27,900 --> 01:03:36,300
Sam male Fernandez and he was so
he was part of the original

820
01:03:36,300 --> 01:03:40,000
Roanoke.
Colony.

821
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:45,100
Well, he's part of the regional
like sailing team to get to the

822
01:03:45,100 --> 01:03:53,600
Roanoke colony.
So he for some reason change

823
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,700
plans.
Like this guy who wasn't in

824
01:03:56,700 --> 01:04:00,900
charge of like setting up the
colony nothing he just changed,

825
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,400
everybody's plans for some
fucking reason.

826
01:04:03,500 --> 01:04:18,600
So When they anchor at Croatoan
Island, Fernandez is like, you

827
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:20,800
know, how about y'all?
Just get off the boat now.

828
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,900
And you see that Island right
there?

829
01:04:23,900 --> 01:04:25,600
That I think that's Roanoke
Island.

830
01:04:25,700 --> 01:04:27,400
Yeah.
How about we just dumped you

831
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:31,200
right there and and we call it a
day.

832
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:34,800
Okay, cool, cool.
Okay, and everybody like agreed

833
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:36,100
to it for some fucking reason, I
don't know.

834
01:04:36,300 --> 01:04:39,100
Why?
Like that was like it was just

835
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,600
so weird.
Weird.

836
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:45,200
Yo y'all had a plan to go to
Chesapeake Bay which was further

837
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:53,900
up but for some reason you let
this man talk you into like not

838
01:04:53,900 --> 01:04:55,600
going to where you're supposed
to go.

839
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:01,700
So anyway it was just like it
was very confusing to me.

840
01:05:01,700 --> 01:05:05,500
Why?
Like John White was just like I

841
01:05:05,508 --> 01:05:07,800
don't want to say the word but
he's like basically like cocked

842
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:12,700
into like he can he can fuck off
the boat and just staying

843
01:05:12,700 --> 01:05:14,300
wherever they dropped him off
at.

844
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:24,400
Yeah. so, the next morning after
they dropped off on Roanoke

845
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:29,100
Island white and his colonist.
They find.

846
01:05:29,100 --> 01:05:32,900
Oh, Colony or old for that.
Was that, you know, I was on

847
01:05:32,900 --> 01:05:36,700
Roanoke Island when they get
there.

848
01:05:36,900 --> 01:05:39,400
They see that the fort was
dismantled.

849
01:05:40,900 --> 01:05:44,800
There were abandoned house is
empty, like they're just empty

850
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:49,600
and there was no sign of the 15
men that were left there.

851
01:05:52,700 --> 01:05:59,200
They only found bones and it
seemed like it was from one of

852
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:03,100
the men that was left there.
So, John White, kind of like

853
01:06:03,100 --> 01:06:07,100
speculated that the decisions
people of the area probably

854
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:19,100
killed them.
So yeah, a couple days later

855
01:06:19,100 --> 01:06:22,000
though.
One of the calmest, his name is

856
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,900
George Howell.
He was killed by the indigenous

857
01:06:24,900 --> 01:06:30,000
peoples are as well.
He was like, It was just like

858
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,700
straight up murder like they
shot them and they bludgeoned

859
01:06:32,700 --> 01:06:36,700
his head with a wooden Club.
Good job.

860
01:06:40,300 --> 01:06:45,000
This was obviously them telling
the English that they were not

861
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:50,900
welcome there at all anymore.
Yeah, you just Mark the entire

862
01:06:50,900 --> 01:06:57,600
like second time tribe.
You don't get to come back wrong

863
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:03,200
with you people.
Okay, so we're going to go back

864
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:08,200
in time like a little bit like a
couple years and with the

865
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:12,400
original scouting mission.
The English brought back two men

866
01:07:12,900 --> 01:07:20,000
from the neighboring Islands.
One from Roanoke and has one

867
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:23,400
from Croatoan.
The one from Roanoke, his name

868
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:28,400
was Juan cheese.
And the other, the one from

869
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:37,200
Croatoan was montillo.
So they were brought back with

870
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,800
Lanes party, I guess and they
wrote back with Lanes party to

871
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:44,700
Roanoke when laying went to
Roanoke from, you know, what I

872
01:07:44,707 --> 01:07:45,600
mean?
You know what I mean?

873
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:52,000
From England?
So, One cheese.

874
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:56,600
He hated the English.
He was like, how dare you all

875
01:07:56,600 --> 01:08:01,000
take me from my land.
Like, what gives you the right?

876
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:07,900
So understandably, like,
obviously, like I resonate with

877
01:08:07,900 --> 01:08:17,300
that very much and amancio on
the other hand, he was like, you

878
01:08:17,300 --> 01:08:19,700
know what, white man, you okay
with me?

879
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:27,000
So, they both want cheese on
montillo.

880
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:33,800
They both return to the islands,
when, you know, Lane brings her

881
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:36,700
back.
So when John White gets there,

882
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,200
you know, there's these two guys
are still around.

883
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:48,100
So, John White, he goes and
contacts the Croatoan people and

884
01:08:48,100 --> 01:08:53,399
he's like, hey do y'all have any
like Information about, you

885
01:08:53,399 --> 01:09:01,600
know, what happened to these 15
guys or whatnot and montego's.

886
01:09:01,899 --> 01:09:06,899
All right, look listen, I got
some got some good news and I

887
01:09:06,907 --> 01:09:11,800
got some bad news for you buddy.
Bad news is yeah.

888
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:15,500
Um, see those guys they were
attacked they were attacked by

889
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:25,200
some people.
And guess who was leading.

890
01:09:25,300 --> 01:09:30,399
These people want cheese on
cheese, was leaving these people

891
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:33,700
to attack of the 15-minute that
were left on the island.

892
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:39,700
So what I read was that two
other men, two of the 15 men

893
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:45,399
were definitely killed the other
men, like they escaped on the

894
01:09:45,399 --> 01:09:47,800
boat and then they were just
never heard from again.

895
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:55,800
I don't know.
And so that was bad news.

896
01:09:56,700 --> 01:10:00,900
Good news is, I just saved a ton
of money on modeling my home and

897
01:10:00,900 --> 01:10:14,000
both insurance.
So there's that after a while

898
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:17,600
they're just like okay well we
know that we're not wanting here

899
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:21,600
so we should stay away from
Everybody.

900
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:25,700
That's not Van Tol.
And his people got it.

901
01:10:25,700 --> 01:10:31,700
Good.
So, it went for a month for a

902
01:10:31,700 --> 01:10:33,600
month.
Brittany for a month.

903
01:10:33,700 --> 01:10:37,900
Okay.
Hey, it's just lift for a month.

904
01:10:38,500 --> 01:10:43,500
This dude.
Fernandez, he's just anchored

905
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:44,800
outside.
Outer Banks?

906
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:49,200
He's just sitting there.
He didn't go anywhere, he's just

907
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:53,500
there.
And like he could have took it

908
01:10:53,500 --> 01:10:54,600
or take it.
I don't know why.

909
01:10:54,900 --> 01:10:57,700
But this is like this part
frustrated, me, as I was reading

910
01:10:57,700 --> 01:11:03,100
it, I was like, so you just left
them there on Roanoke Island for

911
01:11:03,100 --> 01:11:07,300
what reason and do you just
stayed there for what reason?

912
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:10,800
You could have taken them to,
like, Chesapeake Bay.

913
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:12,400
It's not that like, and I'm
pretty sure.

914
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:14,900
It's, I don't know how it's not
that far by boat.

915
01:11:14,900 --> 01:11:19,800
Okay, pretty.
Even so it doesn't, it doesn't

916
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:25,600
say, I mean it's probably
somewhere in these notes

917
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:29,100
somewhere, but like, I don't
know.

918
01:11:29,500 --> 01:11:36,400
So, either way, once she's, I
mean, I want she's got I'm think

919
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:37,500
I'm getting my name is mixed up
now.

920
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:41,600
Munchies for his.
They're both just people.

921
01:11:42,100 --> 01:11:47,200
Fernandez is like after months
sitting here, all right?

922
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:52,700
How about we just go home now
and just leave these guys. so,

923
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,200
On the island of Roanoke
supplies.

924
01:11:58,300 --> 01:12:02,700
You know, we're getting low John
which daughter.

925
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:08,900
She just had a baby.
It was a girl, they named her

926
01:12:08,900 --> 01:12:16,000
Virginia.
And people were worried about,

927
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,000
you know, running out of
supplies.

928
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:23,200
So they persuade jauntily, what
Fernandez do you ink to go to

929
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:27,400
England to get, you know, more
people to help them and get more

930
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:30,400
supplies?
John was reluctant.

931
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:33,000
Of course, because he doesn't
want to be like known as a

932
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:34,600
deserter.
Whenever you gets back to

933
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:39,400
England or he doesn't want to
like and he just like he doesn't

934
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:41,000
lose his family.
Like what happened?

935
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:42,400
What what happened to his
family?

936
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:44,900
If he's not there?
They're like his daughter.

937
01:12:44,900 --> 01:12:47,800
Just had a daughter against a
granddaughter to worry about

938
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:53,500
now.
But, you know, reluctantly he

939
01:12:53,500 --> 01:12:57,800
goes with Fernandez back to
England.

940
01:13:02,500 --> 01:13:06,700
He this would probably this
would this would definitely be

941
01:13:06,700 --> 01:13:13,900
the last time he would see his
family friends also like, can

942
01:13:13,900 --> 01:13:17,200
you remember, who you imagine
that boat ride back with

943
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:19,600
Fernandez?
Like John Wayne just looking at

944
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:24,100
Fernando's like, so you just
left us there that Island for my

945
01:13:24,100 --> 01:13:28,500
apparently boy must have been
spooked by something like a,

946
01:13:28,508 --> 01:13:31,000
bro, you couldn't just like
taking this Chesapeake Bay

947
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:34,000
wasn't that far away, buddy.
Like what would you think?

948
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,400
And you just sent her for a
month to what the hell?

949
01:13:40,700 --> 01:13:46,700
Anyway, so what happens?
Next is a series of very

950
01:13:46,700 --> 01:13:52,700
unfortunate events.
So by the time that John White

951
01:13:52,700 --> 01:13:56,900
gets back to England, I guess
what happens, it's the Spanish

952
01:13:56,900 --> 01:14:06,400
Armada, AR it's attacking, it's
a tagging England or its plan to

953
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:09,400
attack England.
And then like I guess a year or

954
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:14,600
so later a little bit later they
start attacking either way

955
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:17,700
before they attack Queen
Elizabeth the first.

956
01:14:17,700 --> 01:14:21,900
She prohibits all able Shape.
Oh, Abel ships from leaving

957
01:14:21,900 --> 01:14:25,600
England at this time in case
they were needed for war.

958
01:14:28,900 --> 01:14:33,800
It's 1857 at a time.
Okay, 1857 is when he gets back

959
01:14:33,900 --> 01:14:37,500
to England.
I mean if it's 1587 I don't know

960
01:14:37,500 --> 01:14:47,600
why I keep saying God 1587.
Okay, so a man named Richard

961
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:51,300
Greenville.
So this guy Richard Greenville.

962
01:14:51,300 --> 01:14:54,200
He was.
Do you remember when I said

963
01:14:54,200 --> 01:15:01,200
that, Ralph Lanes?
Colony was waiting like it was

964
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,300
supposed to be waiting for two
months into a supply ship was

965
01:15:04,300 --> 01:15:10,000
supposed to come.
Okay, so this guy Greenville.

966
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:14,800
He was supposed to be leading
that supply, that that Supply

967
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:18,000
run.
I believe that.

968
01:15:22,700 --> 01:15:27,600
Something happened to
greenville's like ship, so they

969
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:32,900
got like, like blown off course
or something, so they lost

970
01:15:32,900 --> 01:15:37,000
Provisions that way or it's
something something along those

971
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:43,200
lines that he wasn't able to
make it to the Colony.

972
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:48,200
So that's why they had to rely
on the dishes, people of the

973
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:52,700
area generosity.
So Ville.

974
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:59,800
He's given permission to leave
for the Caribbeans the

975
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:03,400
Caribbean, Caribbeans, Caribbean
to Caribbean, whatever to

976
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:08,000
attack, you know, Spanish.
So John was also give her

977
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,800
permission to you know, tag
along with them.

978
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:21,300
But when they're about to leave,
The winds were too harsh so they

979
01:16:21,300 --> 01:16:27,300
were stuck in Port. so they're
stuck there, and by the time

980
01:16:27,300 --> 01:16:29,600
that the winds, like have
finally calmed down there, ready

981
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:36,100
to go again, Greenville, got new
orders, To stay and fight.

982
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:48,200
So John was stuck again.
Yeah, but Greenville did have

983
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:54,800
two smaller ships that were not
I guess they weren't

984
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:59,000
combat-ready or the content they
weren't for combat over

985
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:03,300
battling.
So he's like, all right here

986
01:17:03,300 --> 01:17:06,000
John, you can take these two
ships, get the heavy supplies

987
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:09,700
to, you know, your Island, your
colony.

988
01:17:10,700 --> 01:17:12,700
He's like, yes.
All right.

989
01:17:12,900 --> 01:17:20,900
And so the two ships leave when
supplies So what happens next?

990
01:17:20,900 --> 01:17:24,600
I think it's like the stupidity
on the the captains of the two

991
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:29,100
ships.
So first the captains of the

992
01:17:29,100 --> 01:17:33,900
ships are like hey let's go
caption some more Spanish ships

993
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:37,200
so we can make like more of a
profit on this run.

994
01:17:39,300 --> 01:17:45,000
So this is what they do and jobs
like, okay, can we just like

995
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:47,300
you'll make it quick?
I got people to save here, you

996
01:17:47,300 --> 01:17:51,800
know what I mean?
Time for this.

997
01:17:54,300 --> 01:17:56,600
All right.
Oh my God.

998
01:17:57,300 --> 01:17:59,100
Yes, exactly what they were
doing.

999
01:17:59,100 --> 01:18:00,900
Like let's do the sciquest real
quick.

1000
01:18:00,900 --> 01:18:04,600
Not the main quest?
No, no, no, listen.

1001
01:18:04,900 --> 01:18:10,000
There's like a timer on this
Mission and I got to get back

1002
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:13,400
home.
It's already been like a year.

1003
01:18:15,100 --> 01:18:22,000
Yeah.
Um, so a couple weeks later

1004
01:18:22,300 --> 01:18:26,600
after they go and they do all
their stuff that you ships are

1005
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:34,200
attacked by supposedly Pirates.
Two dozen of the crew were

1006
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:40,100
killed and supplies for Roanoke,
loot It, Go on course, of

1007
01:18:40,100 --> 01:18:43,900
course.
So they had to turn back to

1008
01:18:43,900 --> 01:18:47,500
England.
So August rolls around.

1009
01:18:47,500 --> 01:18:51,700
The Spanish Armada is defeated.
I had tell you during the time

1010
01:18:51,700 --> 01:19:01,800
of pirate must have been wild.
Yo, I wish like just wild.

1011
01:19:02,100 --> 01:19:06,400
I wish I was a pirate.
That's all I can think about is.

1012
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:09,400
I'm like bro, the time of
pirates had to have been

1013
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,900
absolutely insane.
Then it must have been the

1014
01:19:12,900 --> 01:19:19,700
greatest time ever.
You think the greatest Pirates?

1015
01:19:19,700 --> 01:19:23,600
Yes, for the Pirates but like
not enough people get low.

1016
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:26,600
Loot and left.
Look, I would have been a

1017
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:31,700
pirate.
I don't care about the oh God.

1018
01:19:34,700 --> 01:19:35,900
I'm just I just think about
that.

1019
01:19:35,900 --> 01:19:38,500
Like in hindsight and go like
just wild man.

1020
01:19:38,500 --> 01:19:40,300
You couldn't just.
I mean they're still pirates in

1021
01:19:40,300 --> 01:19:42,600
certain parts of the world but
like yeah.

1022
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:48,100
Not you really couldn't just
cross the ocean Chillin.

1023
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:51,900
No.
Susie a Jolly Roger.

1024
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:55,900
Yeah.
I'm for done for son.

1025
01:19:56,900 --> 01:19:59,200
Oh God.
That something like you're just

1026
01:19:59,700 --> 01:20:04,500
Day, I can only imagine them.
They're like, you know, we

1027
01:20:04,500 --> 01:20:06,900
should, this is good, we finally
got it.

1028
01:20:06,900 --> 01:20:14,600
We're doing it and Then all of a
sudden you see pirate ship when

1029
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:22,500
you're like well shit.
Yep basically that is what

1030
01:20:22,500 --> 01:20:28,100
happened?
So Like I said, the Spanish

1031
01:20:28,100 --> 01:20:32,800
Armada is defeated, this is
August, but ships are still

1032
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:38,500
banned from leaving because they
were, they were used to going to

1033
01:20:38,500 --> 01:20:41,900
be used to focus, only a
counter-attack against the

1034
01:20:41,900 --> 01:20:48,100
Spanish.
And this is now in 1589.

1035
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:56,600
John White doesn't get to try
another Supply, run until 1590.

1036
01:20:57,400 --> 01:21:01,800
So this is three years.
This man has been trying to get

1037
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:05,000
back to the xylem.
Yeah, baby.

1038
01:21:06,300 --> 01:21:11,600
His granddaughter is just there.
He doesn't know what's going on.

1039
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:14,200
Is people like this?
Like this is obviously,

1040
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:17,300
obviously before cell phones or
Internet shit like that.

1041
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:20,400
He doesn't know.
He doesn't know what's going on

1042
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:22,600
there.
Like and he like it.

1043
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:24,400
Can you imagine?
Oh my God, could you imagine?

1044
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:26,800
Like he must have been stressing
out the whole fucking time?

1045
01:21:28,500 --> 01:21:31,200
God bless it.
I don't like him because he

1046
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:33,900
decapitated my duke but not
John.

1047
01:21:33,900 --> 01:21:35,700
Why John Waite didn't do it?
It was like slate.

1048
01:21:35,700 --> 01:21:43,300
That was my instinct.
Yeah, sins of the father.

1049
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:47,800
Okay, okay okay no I'm being
completely.

1050
01:21:47,900 --> 01:21:54,600
Listen.
Hey, yeah.

1051
01:21:56,400 --> 01:22:03,600
Okay, so it's 1590 John gets to
like he gets permission to head

1052
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:11,000
back with snow Supply ships and
he arrives, August 12.

1053
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:16,700
And the anchor at Krakatoa
Croatoan Island.

1054
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:20,300
So nothing, nothing notable
happens on this.

1055
01:22:20,300 --> 01:22:28,400
First day, August 15th, the crew
they spot, plumes of smoke,

1056
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:35,200
coming from Roanoke Island, the
next morning more smoke this

1057
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:37,300
time.
It's coming from the other end

1058
01:22:37,300 --> 01:22:44,000
of Croatoan Island.
They don't like they do they

1059
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:47,000
they search scroll to I Croatoan
Island because that's the

1060
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:50,900
closest Island right there.
They're right there so they

1061
01:22:50,900 --> 01:22:57,200
searched the area.
They don't find anything August

1062
01:22:57,200 --> 01:23:04,900
17th there's another fire on
Roanoke Island so check that

1063
01:23:04,900 --> 01:23:07,800
out.
So this time they do go to check

1064
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:13,200
it out but before they get
through know, Oh Kyle and I

1065
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:16,000
guess it gets dark and they
didn't want to chance it because

1066
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:18,200
they they knew what was going to
happen.

1067
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:23,500
If they they popped in their
late at night they would have

1068
01:23:23,500 --> 01:23:31,800
got attacked So they just anchor
ships off of Roanoke Island.

1069
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:38,600
And they sing English songs and
hopes that the colonists on

1070
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:43,900
land.
Can hear them, obviously 80s.

1071
01:23:44,700 --> 01:23:49,000
They get to Roanoke Island.
They finally like they land on

1072
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:54,700
Roanoke Island.
And August 18th was also, John

1073
01:23:54,700 --> 01:23:59,000
wife's John White's
granddaughters, third birthday.

1074
01:23:59,300 --> 01:24:04,600
So, she was three years old.
Yeah, but she already been yep.

1075
01:24:05,100 --> 01:24:06,000
Yep, yep.
Yep.

1076
01:24:06,100 --> 01:24:10,700
Probably, Yep.
They're fresh tracks in the sand

1077
01:24:11,100 --> 01:24:18,400
but no one comes to greet them.
They spot a nearby tree that has

1078
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:25,800
the letters cro written on them.
They set they want to get to the

1079
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:31,700
Colony and they find the word
Croatoan written on a post.

1080
01:24:31,700 --> 01:24:36,800
Like I said in the beginning of
the episode and you know John

1081
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:39,700
thinks okay.
So they must have you know they

1082
01:24:39,700 --> 01:24:43,900
must be on Croatoan Island since
then we just came from.

1083
01:24:44,100 --> 01:24:48,500
Yeah yeah hmm we didn't see a
whole bunch of people there.

1084
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:59,300
They did not see anybody there.
and um, The reason why he's lost

1085
01:24:59,300 --> 01:25:02,900
this though was because, I
guess, before he left, he liked

1086
01:25:02,900 --> 01:25:07,600
the whole Colony, they had made
like a plan to like, leave a

1087
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:11,400
message if they ever left the
area before John got back.

1088
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:16,700
Right, right.
And I guess Croatoan was like,

1089
01:25:16,700 --> 01:25:20,900
their, their message to them
saying that, this is where we

1090
01:25:20,900 --> 01:25:24,700
went not, this is who attacked
us.

1091
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:37,900
Um, so, But upon further
inspection of the you know the

1092
01:25:37,900 --> 01:25:45,900
colony you could tell that had
been looted valuables were gone,

1093
01:25:45,900 --> 01:25:51,800
Boats were gone, nothing was
there even I guess, John had

1094
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:57,200
some chest that he had buried
when he was there on island and

1095
01:25:57,200 --> 01:26:10,800
they had been drugged up, Dave
and dug up and loot it. it's And

1096
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:17,000
that's basically like it's like
I'm not sure, it doesn't say

1097
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:21,400
that.
He went to Croatoan or he likes

1098
01:26:21,500 --> 01:26:26,900
and I think I he tried to.
I mean, they investigated and

1099
01:26:26,900 --> 01:26:28,900
stuff, I remember.
Yeah.

1100
01:26:28,900 --> 01:26:31,100
Yeah.
Nothing like they.

1101
01:26:32,100 --> 01:26:33,800
Nothing.
Nothing came up after that.

1102
01:26:34,300 --> 01:26:37,000
Nothing ever happened.
Yeah.

1103
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:41,200
And the main reason was because
of one of the ships that, I

1104
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:44,000
guess what the anchor cable
snapped.

1105
01:26:44,500 --> 01:26:47,400
Because like, that, that night
when they went back to the

1106
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:49,300
ship's, they're like, okay.
We're going to check for

1107
01:26:49,300 --> 01:26:54,400
watching William Island the next
day but I mean I wouldn't I

1108
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:57,900
wouldn't.
I mean I definitely would.

1109
01:26:58,100 --> 01:26:59,700
Okay.
So there's I know some of the

1110
01:26:59,700 --> 01:27:01,900
hypotheses about this.
Hmm.

1111
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:09,700
And at this point, Foul Hatton
was a thing.

1112
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:17,000
You would you would know?
so, I mean, there were other

1113
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:22,900
situations happening like
Wrecking the ship very.

1114
01:27:22,900 --> 01:27:25,100
Well, could have been a
sabotage.

1115
01:27:25,500 --> 01:27:30,000
Yeah.
I mean, at this point, we're

1116
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:35,300
talking about Kyle Hatton, the
the pot and tribe is Pocahontas.

1117
01:27:35,300 --> 01:27:38,900
This tribe John Smith, all
that's happening.

1118
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:45,700
So and the situation where
people don't really understand

1119
01:27:45,700 --> 01:27:48,900
about, like, what happened
there, like, Disney movie is so

1120
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:54,700
like, wiped the realness, like,
when I say that, like comment,

1121
01:27:54,700 --> 01:27:58,000
like, and I said, that, like
conversations between indigenous

1122
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:02,400
folks and colonizers break down
fast, it broke down real fast.

1123
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:05,200
It went, where, like John
Smith's crew were like,

1124
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:09,900
kidnapping, women, if they
didn't give up like tobacco

1125
01:28:09,900 --> 01:28:11,800
Fields.
Yeah, yeah.

1126
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:17,400
It went real hostile real fast.
So I mean, I completely

1127
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:21,000
unintentional Vibe, like they
could have thought that that new

1128
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:25,500
ship was reinforcements.
Hmm.

1129
01:28:27,900 --> 01:28:32,000
Or it could have just been, you
know, that the thing broke the

1130
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:35,500
the it's that I forget what you
call the part of that ship that

1131
01:28:35,500 --> 01:28:38,800
broke there's something anchor
cable.

1132
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:43,000
So, I mean, I can't stop, you
know.

1133
01:28:43,100 --> 01:28:45,900
Yeah, that's it.
It can't land.

1134
01:28:45,900 --> 01:28:49,000
They can't, they can't like land
anywhere.

1135
01:28:49,300 --> 01:28:50,800
Like one of the, one of them was
cut.

1136
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:54,100
So, you know, sabotage, I mean,
if you're already in fights

1137
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:58,800
with, Other people, you know
what I mean?

1138
01:29:00,500 --> 01:29:05,400
And they had that like by, I
like the late 1500s.

1139
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:09,100
They were already kidnapping.
How hatton's and taking them.

1140
01:29:09,100 --> 01:29:14,200
There was true.
So they could have seen any

1141
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:19,800
Englishmen as it's okay.
And immediately well you know

1142
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:21,600
what?
Stop you and your stupid boats.

1143
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:25,000
Dang, no anchor.
Bye, see you later.

1144
01:29:25,500 --> 01:29:31,800
Yeah.
So, I mean, there's yeah, yeah,

1145
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:35,300
no.
Yeah. it was as when I always

1146
01:29:35,300 --> 01:29:39,900
heard of and I thought that that
had some legs I'm like II.

1147
01:29:39,900 --> 01:29:43,600
Think the real hostile not that
far from there.

1148
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:49,800
So, very true, very true to is
that like, is this when we talk,

1149
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:52,900
we learn about colonization and
like American history in the

1150
01:29:52,900 --> 01:29:56,200
u.s. they talk about it and like
these little stages but like

1151
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:59,300
once like one crew started
showing up other clearly like

1152
01:29:59,300 --> 01:30:01,000
other groups of people started
showing up.

1153
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:04,900
Yeah.
The the East Coast was just

1154
01:30:04,900 --> 01:30:10,400
inundated with people all up and
down the coast by, you know,

1155
01:30:10,500 --> 01:30:13,200
obviously the pilgrims are the
first ones but I mean like into

1156
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:15,700
the future and the 1600s.
Hmm.

1157
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:18,100
A lot of drama, a lot of
fighting.

1158
01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:24,200
That summation of tribes
estimation to colonizers.

1159
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:29,000
Sickness, all sorts of terrible
stuff happening up and down,

1160
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:32,100
Simon.
Yeah.

1161
01:30:32,700 --> 01:30:34,600
Yeah.
Terrible.

1162
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:40,300
But did he ever get to do like a
proper investigation so that

1163
01:30:40,300 --> 01:30:42,600
time he had to leave because the
boat was screwed.

1164
01:30:42,700 --> 01:30:45,800
Yeah.
So he had to leave but they had

1165
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:50,100
made plans to come back the next
year.

1166
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:55,400
After the one ship.
Spent the winter in the

1167
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:59,700
Caribbean Caribbean Caribbean.
I don't know why I keep saying

1168
01:30:59,700 --> 01:31:02,500
correct.
Caribbean, Caribbean movie

1169
01:31:02,500 --> 01:31:05,500
Pirates of the Caribbean, and
we've been running ever since

1170
01:31:05,500 --> 01:31:10,700
that a Disney movie.
Yeah, I know the Caribbean, so

1171
01:31:10,700 --> 01:31:14,300
they're going to return back in
the spring of 1591.

1172
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:20,800
But unfortunately, this plan did
not go very well because the

1173
01:31:20,808 --> 01:31:26,400
ship that They were planning on
taking to the Caribbean was

1174
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:31,200
blown off course and it forced
him to stop for Supply

1175
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:37,900
somewhere.
And then the wind when they when

1176
01:31:37,900 --> 01:31:40,200
they wanted to land at the
places he wanted to get supplies

1177
01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:42,600
from the winds, we're fucking
bad.

1178
01:31:42,700 --> 01:31:47,100
And so the ship was just forced
to go back to England.

1179
01:31:48,300 --> 01:31:55,300
Um, after that, John White
wasn't able to like get back to

1180
01:31:55,300 --> 01:32:04,900
Roanoke ever.
So after that, nothing like

1181
01:32:04,900 --> 01:32:09,400
there were investigations, of
course, other investigations,

1182
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:13,100
besides white, trying to get
back there to look for his Kong.

1183
01:32:13,100 --> 01:32:23,000
Has his Colony Sir Walter Reilly
Was I guess so he was supposed

1184
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:25,300
to.
He basically wants to wipe his

1185
01:32:25,300 --> 01:32:32,500
hands clean of this whole thing
but he wanted to keep his claim

1186
01:32:32,500 --> 01:32:40,400
on Virginia.
So What he did was, he didn't

1187
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:47,100
want to pronounce any of the
colonists, like legally dead at

1188
01:32:47,100 --> 01:32:53,300
this time.
So, so he can like, I guess,

1189
01:32:53,300 --> 01:32:58,800
what is it?
He could pass on this land to

1190
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:05,000
his son.
Or no, not him.

1191
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:06,800
Not him, not at nighttime.
No.

1192
01:33:07,300 --> 01:33:09,700
So I'm sorry, I'm skipping
ahead.

1193
01:33:09,700 --> 01:33:12,500
So I guess he just wanted to
keep his claim on Virginia.

1194
01:33:12,500 --> 01:33:20,700
Basically.
So, What remember a John

1195
01:33:20,700 --> 01:33:23,900
White's, his daughter?
Her husband.

1196
01:33:25,300 --> 01:33:27,200
I don't know how to pronounce
his name, but his last name is

1197
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:34,700
dare so they I guess there's a
petition that goes around that's

1198
01:33:34,700 --> 01:33:41,600
like yo we need to we need to
make it like Make this like

1199
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:47,700
public that he's like legally
dead, so that his son John there

1200
01:33:47,700 --> 01:33:50,000
is another like, there are so
many jobs in this story.

1201
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:54,700
I don't understand.
Why was everyone like, he had

1202
01:33:54,700 --> 01:33:58,000
his fucking John and one of my
least favorite things when

1203
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:01,300
you're trying to cover stories
about old step, is that if a kid

1204
01:34:01,300 --> 01:34:06,000
died, they would just rename the
kit like the new kid.

1205
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:09,000
Yeah.
So or like, was like, oh, and

1206
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:11,400
Susan died.
So then like, Like, and maybe

1207
01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:14,200
she was like 14.
So they would name the new baby

1208
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:16,300
Susan.
And so, you just have all these

1209
01:34:16,300 --> 01:34:18,600
names, like, all these names are
the same.

1210
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:22,300
It's very frustrating when
you're trying to like, tell a

1211
01:34:22,300 --> 01:34:25,800
story and everyone has the same
name.

1212
01:34:25,900 --> 01:34:28,800
That's why sometimes when I plug
some of the older stories, I'll

1213
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:31,300
use some people's first names
and some people's last names

1214
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:35,300
trying like delineate or I'll be
like Junior.

1215
01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:39,700
So that's obviously the son of
this person because everybody in

1216
01:34:39,700 --> 01:34:47,300
the family line.
Same fucking name, but

1217
01:34:47,300 --> 01:34:51,600
apparently he had a son, an
England named John Deere and he

1218
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:54,500
was supposed to inherit.
I guess what is his name?

1219
01:34:54,600 --> 01:35:02,100
Anna and I he's and Ice there so
that he had a state that is

1220
01:35:02,100 --> 01:35:10,000
someone supposed to inherit.
So, this happened and 1590.

1221
01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:18,200
Seven.
So Riley was, I guess.

1222
01:35:18,200 --> 01:35:24,300
He said, he said he when he was
on like a voyage in 1595, he

1223
01:35:24,300 --> 01:35:27,700
said, he wanted to go stop by in
search for his column the

1224
01:35:27,700 --> 01:35:39,500
colonists as well.
But Later on he he admitted that

1225
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:44,800
this was like a lie because he
was just like he wanted to cover

1226
01:35:45,700 --> 01:35:51,900
up that he was actually
searching for El Dorado instead

1227
01:35:51,900 --> 01:35:57,600
of searching for his people.
But you said he's so past the

1228
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:01,500
Outer Banks but you know the
weather just stopped him from

1229
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:06,000
Landing or anchoring.
Hitting isn't Landing.

1230
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:08,900
I don't know what it's like when
I say these terms, I'm thinking

1231
01:36:08,900 --> 01:36:12,900
of like planes but I think it's
they work on for boats to.

1232
01:36:12,900 --> 01:36:18,500
I'm not sure I'm not a sport
doc, I'm sure one of those one

1233
01:36:18,500 --> 01:36:22,500
of those things don't think it
matters that much people

1234
01:36:22,500 --> 01:36:24,300
understand what's happening.
Yeah.

1235
01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:28,600
So yeah.
Sorry, it was just I I have a

1236
01:36:28,608 --> 01:36:31,500
question for you.
So one of the theories that I

1237
01:36:31,500 --> 01:36:36,300
always heard was that those
people kind of Of what's the

1238
01:36:36,300 --> 01:36:40,600
word like assimilated into local
tribes?

1239
01:36:40,900 --> 01:36:48,100
Yes unlikely but I think that's
like the nice you know one so

1240
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:54,500
that's the advisor Theory and
that's I guess part of when John

1241
01:36:54,500 --> 01:37:01,400
Smith was in the area over he
lied like a mofo.

1242
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:08,600
I can't trust Anything John
Smith said like he told so many

1243
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:13,400
like, I mean, he created the
Mythos that like Pocahontas like

1244
01:37:13,500 --> 01:37:18,500
stepped in the way of and she
protected me and I was like,

1245
01:37:18,500 --> 01:37:19,700
brush.
She was 12.

1246
01:37:19,700 --> 01:37:24,100
And it was like a total.
It was like a religious like

1247
01:37:24,100 --> 01:37:27,700
event.
Yeah, he thought like he oh my

1248
01:37:27,700 --> 01:37:29,900
god.
Do they didn't even like the

1249
01:37:29,900 --> 01:37:32,300
name.
Pocahontas didn't even appear in

1250
01:37:32,300 --> 01:37:36,600
any writings.
From what was going on in

1251
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:41,000
Chesapeake, during that time
until he wrote his book, like 10

1252
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:45,300
years later.
Hmm.

1253
01:37:45,500 --> 01:37:50,800
Yeah he was a not a great guy so
I don't know if I trust the the

1254
01:37:51,100 --> 01:37:53,600
integration aspect of it came
from one of his books.

1255
01:37:53,900 --> 01:38:00,500
Well, he's a liar.
Yeah, I'm not sure but I still

1256
01:38:00,500 --> 01:38:11,900
got to add it.
But yeah, so I guess once he was

1257
01:38:13,300 --> 01:38:20,100
He had heard claim that there
were, I guess indigenous people

1258
01:38:20,100 --> 01:38:24,800
that were dressed in.
There are men and I guess you're

1259
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:29,100
just people dressing European
style clothing from another

1260
01:38:29,100 --> 01:38:32,500
tribe.
And they I guess they looked

1261
01:38:32,500 --> 01:38:36,600
kind of European, but they
weren't European.

1262
01:38:37,100 --> 01:38:41,100
They were more indigenous.
Well, they're closed.

1263
01:38:41,100 --> 01:38:45,900
We stood up that long.
I don't know anybody was seen

1264
01:38:45,900 --> 01:38:48,200
them.
They would have been paler than

1265
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:51,800
the app because I also, I hope
anybody listening knows this.

1266
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:55,900
But originally indigenous
Americans were a lot more darker

1267
01:38:55,900 --> 01:39:01,400
skin due to a lot of rape and
kidnappings.

1268
01:39:02,100 --> 01:39:04,900
A lot of people like, so in the
original at pictures of

1269
01:39:04,900 --> 01:39:07,900
indigenous, people, they aren't
fair skin.

1270
01:39:07,900 --> 01:39:09,600
They don't look like me.
Yeah.

1271
01:39:11,700 --> 01:39:17,200
So like I feel like a Sadler
would have stuck out.

1272
01:39:17,500 --> 01:39:19,900
You know what I mean?
Even if they weren't wearing

1273
01:39:19,900 --> 01:39:25,300
like old clothes at the, you
know, English clothes because

1274
01:39:25,300 --> 01:39:27,900
they were pale-faced.
Yeah.

1275
01:39:28,100 --> 01:39:30,000
Yeah.
There are they could have just.

1276
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:32,100
Yeah.
It could have been just babies.

1277
01:39:32,300 --> 01:39:34,000
Like there were no.
Never mind.

1278
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:36,900
Now doesn't make any sense.
I don't know, but, you know, if

1279
01:39:36,900 --> 01:39:38,900
there will be enough time.
Exactly.

1280
01:39:38,900 --> 01:39:45,800
It's yeah, this was at this was
like 1607 and this is like 10

1281
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:52,400
but maybe, I don't know, like 10
years later, so maybe I mean if

1282
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:55,000
they would have been allowed to
become a part of other tribes,

1283
01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:58,500
they would have been very lucky.
It's like if they were captured

1284
01:39:58,500 --> 01:40:01,000
by other tribes and just force
it integrate with them.

1285
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:03,700
Still would have been lucky.
Yeah.

1286
01:40:03,700 --> 01:40:07,000
Fuck you then try and do it on
their own and area that doesn't

1287
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:12,500
necessarily have the best ground
for certain crops and stuff.

1288
01:40:12,500 --> 01:40:20,500
They were trying to push Yeah.
So I like the other one, too.

1289
01:40:20,500 --> 01:40:23,300
That like, they just like got a
ship and they tried to, like,

1290
01:40:23,300 --> 01:40:24,800
leave.
That's a good.

1291
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:29,800
Like, wait a second, how?
How big is a ship they built

1292
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:32,400
one?
They try to build this shit.

1293
01:40:32,700 --> 01:40:34,800
They tried to build.
Yeah, I mean you could it's I

1294
01:40:34,808 --> 01:40:38,900
mean it's not nowadays is not
that mean it's probably was hard

1295
01:40:38,900 --> 01:40:44,700
back then with his I mean, it's
not on a ship that could cross.

1296
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:51,500
The Atlantic like a it sounds
impossible with 100 people?

1297
01:40:51,500 --> 01:40:57,400
Yeah, I'm not, I don't know.
I don't know.

1298
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:03,900
There's also like a spin and
maybe a Spanish attacked and had

1299
01:41:03,900 --> 01:41:09,800
happened there.
But who knows?

1300
01:41:10,200 --> 01:41:14,000
Apparently there's another tree.
It's a Cora tree.

1301
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:16,700
It has the word core written on
it.

1302
01:41:19,500 --> 01:41:23,300
That's another, I guess
conspiracy of the yeah.

1303
01:41:23,300 --> 01:41:27,200
Yeah, yeah.
And well, like what does Cora

1304
01:41:27,200 --> 01:41:31,400
mean?
I don't know, maybe just

1305
01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:39,500
misspelled, Croatoan or Crower
these this Velcro Oh no, no, no,

1306
01:41:39,500 --> 01:41:44,800
I like this one.
As a story is a local legend

1307
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:49,600
about a witch named Cora from a
book from 1989.

1308
01:41:49,600 --> 01:41:52,100
Okay, never mind.
That's made of.

1309
01:41:52,400 --> 01:42:06,100
Yeah, nothing, nothing.
So no one really knows.

1310
01:42:07,300 --> 01:42:12,400
Okay.
This person might have been I'm

1311
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:15,700
saying that they left Croatoan
to settle with the Quarry.

1312
01:42:16,700 --> 01:42:22,600
Another Another tribe.
Okay.

1313
01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:31,000
No, no no.
Of course, the Dare Stones.

1314
01:42:31,400 --> 01:42:34,000
Yes.
What?

1315
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:39,400
Those are considered things?
Yes, yes, everything is

1316
01:42:39,400 --> 01:42:41,200
surrounding.
This is interesting.

1317
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:48,100
Like the only, I've like I've
seen Croatoan like so many times

1318
01:42:48,700 --> 01:42:54,400
I think, I first time I saw it
was like in Supernatural the

1319
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:56,900
show.
I was gonna say, I'm pretty sure

1320
01:42:56,900 --> 01:43:06,200
it's was it.
Supernatural.

1321
01:43:11,200 --> 01:43:15,600
It's a Batman thing.
Supernatural now.

1322
01:43:16,300 --> 01:43:24,500
But it was, I think it was like
a demon plot point in the 90s

1323
01:43:24,900 --> 01:43:26,300
and Crow.
Tell me the most wonderful.

1324
01:43:27,400 --> 01:43:29,400
Yeah.
It was a spawn Batman.

1325
01:43:29,400 --> 01:43:34,000
And of course thing, Roanoke is
one of my favorite, one of the

1326
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:36,700
few seasons of American Horror
Story that I actually really.

1327
01:43:36,700 --> 01:43:40,700
Like, I, I did not like that.
That's where we differ.

1328
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:47,100
I know.
We say, okay, so I love those

1329
01:43:47,100 --> 01:43:52,300
shows where they retell the
story of a haunting and I love

1330
01:43:52,300 --> 01:43:57,000
that they've recreated that.
Yeah, I mean okay, so that makes

1331
01:43:57,000 --> 01:44:04,100
25, it did get a little long
after they left the house and

1332
01:44:04,100 --> 01:44:07,700
then they came back and there
was the reunions that's when he

1333
01:44:07,700 --> 01:44:12,100
got a little long.
But um, Unfortunately, that's

1334
01:44:12,100 --> 01:44:14,700
just how that show is there.
It always hits a point for me,

1335
01:44:14,700 --> 01:44:18,800
where it's like, wow, this feels
like a great ending still going

1336
01:44:21,200 --> 01:44:24,000
and sometimes after the first
great ending, there's another

1337
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:27,100
great ending but not always but
yeah, a lot of people don't like

1338
01:44:27,100 --> 01:44:29,300
that one but I kind of love it
because it does have the

1339
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historical connection just a
little bit.

1340
01:44:31,800 --> 01:44:36,100
Yeah, I just I do like it
because Lady Gaga is very hot.

1341
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:42,100
That one you got.
That was she's in Roanoke is

1342
01:44:42,100 --> 01:44:49,600
just like she plays I guess some
type of which that's there.

1343
01:44:51,000 --> 01:44:53,500
I mean yeah you there was
definitely because there was a

1344
01:44:53,500 --> 01:44:58,600
whole which aspect of it.
Yeah yeah so she was the witch

1345
01:44:58,700 --> 01:45:02,300
oh yeah okay the one with
running through the woods got

1346
01:45:02,300 --> 01:45:05,200
it.
Yeah yeah I listened she barely

1347
01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:09,400
looks like herself in that.
And she barely looks like her.

1348
01:45:10,500 --> 01:45:13,300
She doesn't, she doesn't, she
doesn't hear, right?

1349
01:45:15,700 --> 01:45:18,400
I didn't realize it was hurt.
But anyway, no, it'll be okay.

1350
01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:25,800
But that is what I got for
today.

1351
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:34,000
This is my longest to be the one
who talks for like an hour and a

1352
01:45:34,008 --> 01:45:42,100
half.
I'm so glad it was like like, We

1353
01:45:42,100 --> 01:45:44,700
did it when you were to into
your section because this would

1354
01:45:44,700 --> 01:45:46,900
have been like a three hour
episode, right?

1355
01:45:46,900 --> 01:45:48,000
Holy crap.
You're right.

1356
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:51,800
If I had done, oh yeah, I was
working on a real juicy one that

1357
01:45:51,800 --> 01:45:53,900
for next time.
For y'all who are listening.

1358
01:45:54,300 --> 01:45:58,600
It's one that people have begged
me to talk about for so long, a

1359
01:45:58,600 --> 01:46:03,500
particular serial killer, who I
am not a fan of mouth so you

1360
01:46:03,500 --> 01:46:05,800
have that to look forward to if
you're still listening.

1361
01:46:06,100 --> 01:46:11,400
Yes, thanks so much for putting
up with our special.

1362
01:46:11,500 --> 01:46:13,200
Joel covid.
Quarantine episode.

1363
01:46:13,500 --> 01:46:19,600
Yes, thank you guys for
listening as always and

1364
01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:23,400
goodnight he