The Beast of British Columbia(pt1) & El Sibon

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Hey, everyone.
In serial killer country.

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Ransom, my name is Brian Joyner

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Oh yay.
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I appreciate it so much, you
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Now this week a true-crime I
tried to find something that was

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killer related because That's my
angle but I just was inundated

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with stories about this case.
And so Brian, did you hear about

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the preacher from New York who
was robbed during his sermon?

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No, it's the like sort of a joke
or something.

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No, it's not.
Miss Bishop Lamar, Miller white

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head and he was live streaming
his Sunday.

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Sermon is about a week ago at
the leaders of Tomorrow

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International Church in Brooklyn
when he asked his congregation,

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how many of you have lost your
faith because you saw somebody

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else died.
Literally seconds later, three

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bass people armed Ons enter the
church and he's like, all right,

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all right, all right and he gets
out on like ground lays on his

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stomach.
This is on live stream, like

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these clips are out there.
One of the people stands over

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him takes like things off of the
pastor's body and they walk out

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and the pasture and formed the
police that that was over 1

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million dollars in jewelry that
belonged to both Bishop, Bishop

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L'Amour and his wife, Wife.
Wow he's yes yes yes.

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And my PD have been kind of
release statement to the press

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and this is an ongoing
investigation.

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No arrests were at least made by
Monday of this week and of

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course he's like, I want
Justice, I want these men

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arrested, but then like on
social media, he was like, this

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is how the dealt, the devil
moves, you know?

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And he offered a 50 thousand
dollar reward for the arrest and

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capture, these perpetrators
buddy, These they're done.

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Those diamonds are now in
Canada.

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They're being broken down and
wish they will be sold in

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Europe.
Like there's nobody is pawning

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this in Brooklyn.
It happened like 11:14 a.m. and

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the church is located in the
Canarsie neighborhood in

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Brooklyn.
Yeah, they even have like, clips

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from outside of the church
showing the guys, like popping

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up in a car and I guess the, the
bishop was really upset because

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he's like, they ripped my collar
off.

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To get to my jewelry, my God.
Oh my God.

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Jesus, I felt the Demonic Force.
I felt it pushed The door now.

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Pause that because that
everybody feels.

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But oh well, that sucks.
You going to mean but all across

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my timeline has been have we?
We've been saying Eat the Rich

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but should we just robbed
churches for the poor?

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Like because obviously he is not
giving to the poor.

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I mean for himself?
Yeah.

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Churches don't they don't.
Pay was a taxes or something,

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right?
Do you have to pay taxes?

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See ya, pretty.
Well, so here's the best thing

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about this, of course, is all
over the place.

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So today is the 29th when I'm
recording this yesterday.

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there's an article in the New
York Post that says, That

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apparently there was a lawsuit
from one of his members of his

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congregation stating that he
stole 90,000 dollars from that

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man, last year.
And so apparently I around this

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area in Brooklyn but ship, Lamar
Whitehead is known for wearing

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Gucci suits.
Diamond-encrusted chains has

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loads of luxury vehicles and he
has an extensive history of

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stealing from his congregation.
He's been in prison.

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In for identity theft and grand
larceny.

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The woman who filed the lawsuit?
Her name is Pauline Anderson and

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she said that he convinced her
to liquidate her life savings

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and invest 90 thousand dollars
in November of 2020, which of

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course, didn't happen.
Nothing in it was invested into

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nothing.
He was like, I will invest this

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into real estate and then we can
buy Renovate a better home for

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you, mind you in New York City.
Hmm, where it's like, three

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thousand dollars for a studio
apartment.

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So buying property in New York
cost a lot more than 90 K.

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And she also apparently, he also
agreed to pay her a hundred

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dollars per month to like help
her.

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Since that savings was her only
source of income.

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She's 56.
So I guess she was retired.

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And that was supposed to be like
her, her life money instead, he

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used that ninety thousand
dollars for a down payment

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towards the 4.4 million dollar
home that he bought for himself

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in Saddle River.
New Jersey.

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That is still like ongoing, but
obviously they are pulling apart

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this man's.
And the worst part about this is

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I'm gonna send you this link and
you can see like they show like

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The church trash it looks
horrible.

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Like normally when people are
like, these mega church, guys

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are making all this money.
The place looks beautiful.

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Yes, not this one.
I'll know.

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And I'm like, how are y'all
giving money to this shit list?

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He is a fraud and a fake.
I bet you as they continue

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pulling up, there are more
people from his congregation who

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he just flat-out robbed.
I can see that happening.

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Very soon.
And what if he just like had

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like super religious?
But I'm like, listen.

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This is not a man of God.
Y'all you need to find better

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people to follow because it's
this ain't it.

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Is he's not it.
Yeah I'm just I'm just thinking

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like maybe he just had he's
found a rundown church and then

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he just like, hmm I don't want
to do here.

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And just like so that like 4.4
million house that sale didn't

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go through and that.
And so that's how Pauline

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learned about it.
Essentially.

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He accidentally sent an email to
her son.

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Rashid Anderson about the
purchase of the property.

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I guess.
He her son must have like work

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with the church or something,
and, but he eventually used that

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money for a 4.5 million dollar
apartment complex, in Hartford

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Connecticut.
So he's trying to move and leave

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the ghetto actually.
I don't know if Canarsie is that

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much, if you get her, I just
know that what happened here was

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a little bit ghetto.
I feel bad.

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Yeah, absolutely yeah but he got
like oh he is like a little mini

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mansion and so Pauline is
seeking 1 million dollars in

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Damages for his morally.
Reprehensible acts and for

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stealing her entire life
savings.

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Obviously the case is still
pending because that was filed

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in 2020 when everything was a
mess and obviously courts are

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still backed up because while
they're handling old cases.

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New cases are coming up just
adding more, so I'm thinking

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that this is going to be the
update.

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I was like, apparently he has
defended his lifestyle very

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aggressively saying that his
public displays of wealth didn't

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lead to this robbery and like
people are like you sure your

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giant Blinged-out cross didn't
make you a Target.

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It's a massive.
It's easily.

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Like the size of the palm of an
adult person saying, oh my God,

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and it's Square in the middle.
That's just, that's what they

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ripped off his neck and I was
just like, sir, they stole his

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Rolex seventy-five thousand
dollars.

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I'm like you supposed to be a
man of the people, you will you

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not given Jesus?
This was not giving Jesus.

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No, he was given to himself.
He's a man to himself the like

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Jesus would have walked in your
church.

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And Roger is to review and
through everything on the floor.

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Like he did with the tax
collectors.

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But that's all I got for you
today.

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I was, oh my God, rolling at the
update.

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I'm like, are you kidding?
Of course.

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I knew he was a con man.
I just didn't know he was like

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that level of a con, man.
I thought it was like he You

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know, little bits of money, the
natural way that churches make a

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bajillion dollars, but his
churches and the one making the

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money.
It's just him.

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It's just him and his scheming
scamming and stuff.

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Oh well, that was our pride, I
liked it.

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Okay.
So for the story for my story,

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this week, it's also an update.
Okay.

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So about seven months ago, go,
I'm not sure if you remember

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this, a lot about four men were
arrested with conspiracy

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conspiracy to kidnap resulting
in death and kidnapping and the

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charged with like
murder-for-hire basically was

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this the guys who are trying to
kill that Senator.

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No, not this one.
Because they didn't actually

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kidnapper they just planned it
out.

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Yeah the so seven months ago
they are indicted on you know on

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this okay but this happened back
in 2020 so 47 year-old Eric

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Charles moaned and he he's like
the main person as but they're

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like three other guys.
They're all two of them were

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also like around Eric's.
Aged 48-47.

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There's a 31-year old to.
So what happened is that Eric

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hired these guys to kidnap And
possibly murder his mistress.

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And her boyfriend.
Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.
Well, it's his mistress not.

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I guess not his ex Ministries.
His she's as ex-mistress now.

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But you know what I mean?
She well, It's probably some

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context we're not going to get
into this if on TV.

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Whoa, oh my God.
Okay so Mom, and he would, I

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guess he lived.
They'll guess was a Texas thing

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and it was all Texas area should
say and he would drive to

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Nashville to visit, I guess a
relative And in early February,

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20 20, he emailed a woman later
who wasn't identified as his

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mistress.
His mistress's name was Holly

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Williams and she was 33 years
old and she had a 36 year old

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boyfriend.
His name was William land way.

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Okay, so he, you know, he
started this affair with her why

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you know, emailing her to see
her when he was you know, coming

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to visit Okay.
And So how does he get to kill

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her and her boyfriend?
Yeah.

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Okay.
He's this is the part.

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So after he visited, blah blah,
blah mod, he receives this text

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message from Lan way, who was
Williams boyfriend and he's

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like, if you, if you don't pay
me, I will eat three basically

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layaway, try to, you know,
blackmail Him saying if you

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don't pay me, I'm going to
expose this whole relationship

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and it's not very good at having
an affair if all these people

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can find out details about I
know, right?

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It's really bad.
Okay.

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All right then so bonds like all
right, you know what know this

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ain't gonna happen so he got
these three guys.

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To assist him with dealing with
the threats from Mantua and this

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happened on March 5th 2020.
He took out fifteen thousand

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dollars from his bank account
and yeah, serious business.

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Yeah.
And I guess they stalked Miss

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Holly Williams for a while,
eight thousand dollars in cash

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was Leslie.
A deposit into some spear tip

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security business account, as
well as like seven thousand

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dollars for this, add it to one
of the other guys, the the other

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Hitman his account.
So on March 12th mon, he said he

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allegedly allegedly.
Transferred 150,000 dollars into

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a bank account and which belong
to, I'm going to say his name is

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pelled.
That's it.

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That's how his name is bellowed
and I'm pretty sure this guy was

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like the main the main hit man.
So he was the ball hit man with

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these other guys.
So after after this money is

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transferred to his account on
the same day, his two henchmen

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Brockway and carry, they
confronted Williams and then way

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in a parking lot and they shot
land way multiple times.

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And any kidnapped, Holly
Williams and they reportedly

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drove her and laying way to a
construction site.

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And wishes It's called Old
Hickory Boulevard before they

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murder their as well.
Yeah, so both bodies, they were

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discard it.
And then They just didn't.

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All right.
Well, it well there.

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Yeah.
So, apparently between March

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11th and then the right now. 750
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by moaned to pelled Brockway and
carry for their crimes. all

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right, and then I guess they
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They are all arrested.
December 10th 2021.

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And yeah it's I guess Monde was
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the Mond Automotive Automotive
Group in Allston.

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So he worked at this car please.
So very he, you know, he was

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well known in the area I'm
assuming.

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So that's why is a threats for
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He's like, I kiss going to ruin
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Can't let these people booing,
my business, my car business.

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I'm gonna have to kill them.
It doesn't say went like how

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they were arrested and you know
how people found out about that,

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they did this?
But yeah, like December 10th

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2021 please, pick them up.
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On these charges.
And now, the thing is that this

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update is that there are still
like there's still things coming

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out like He?
He's a he's facing even like

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more charges have come and have
come up.

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I see He's trying it now now
what it is is that he tried to

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have one of the co-conspirators,
one of the, the Hitmen he tried

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to.
He tried to make arrangements

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from prison, it from prison to
hire to hire somebody else to no

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way to kill one of the
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Yes, yes.
I was like so you just you do

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you have a learn?
Have you?

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You haven't learned anything.
I really just think they can get

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away with everything.
Yeah, I forget who which one is

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it that he tried to get killed?
I don't know, I think it's a No,

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it doesn't say, it doesn't say
which one.

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It just says co-conspirator and
then he just goes over the whole

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case again, what happened?
And blah blah blah.

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But yeah, it's it, it started
getting wild after I start as

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after I read it and I was like
what?

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You try to get somebody else
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okay?
All right, buddy.

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Yeah.
That's why I got, all right.

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Well yeah.
I guess.

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Okay.
Usually we give our cousin's in

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Canada props for doing the right
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But this week we're going to
talk about a serial killer had a

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particularly lengthy, a horrible
criminal history and still

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somehow managed to get Released
a comical amount of times to go

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on to kill 11.
Teens and children that we know

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of his name was Clifford Olson,
Junior, and they called him the

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Beast of British Columbia this
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There's so much with this man's
life that I had to break this

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up.
I told just for you listening,

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they're like 28, right?
And pages of content about him

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that I did.
So I, I cut off this week.

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At his 40th birthday from the
time that he was 17 years old to

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the time that he was 40.
He only spent 1,500 days out of

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prison.
There are a lot of rest that

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we're gonna have to talk about
today, but we always have to

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start at the beginning and so
Clifford Olson.

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Jr.
Was born January 1st, 1942

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Clifford and Leona Olson.
He was their first son and back

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in the 1940s when babies were
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On the new year.
They would usually hand out

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Silver Spoons or cases of canned
milk, but because Clifford was

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born at 10:00 at night and his
mom have been in labor all day.

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All the baby prizes are already
been handed out But he did get

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his name put in the local paper
as a New Year's baby.

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The family went back to where
they lived and Pacific National

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exhibition grounds in Vancouver,
British Columbia, they had a

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pretty small home, that got
filled very quickly within the

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first three years of his life.
He got two brothers, Richard and

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Dennis and a baby sister Sharon
and they were only living off of

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one income.
So it was already pretty tough,

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but Leona did her best like many
families who have lots of kids.

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They all grew up wearing the
older kids, hand-me-downs and

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patching knees and trying to
make clothes last Long as

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possible Clifford, senior worked
as a Milkman, the actually was

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one of the last people to drive
a horse drawn cart and deliver

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milk to people's homes.
He yeah.

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He would have been part of the
last men of the air to do, so

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even though eventually though
that gets phased out and he

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starts doing odd, jobs becomes a
construction laborer for a local

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build site.
They were kind of though still

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kind of just living your typical
Suburban life.

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Even though money's a little
tight and that is until World

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War Two and it kind of changed
everything for the family.

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Now, unlike what happened in the
United States, which is that

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America attempted to be on
involved in the conflict for as

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long as possible Canada.
Did not do that.

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They immediately went to Aid
Britain in the war against the

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Axis powers and at first, that
was just aid.

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But eventually they were drawn
into the official conflict when

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they're shipping Avenues were
attacked by German.

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U-boats, so Clifford, senior was
a stand-up guy.

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Any felt this calling to help
his country and he signed up, he

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didn't want to just sit and lay
bricks, I while his fellow

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countrymen were dying, and
during his time in World War

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Two, there were times where he
was allowed to come back home

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and stop him with his children,
but pretty much the first like

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45 years of all of the kids
lives.

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He just wasn't around very often
for Clifford jr.

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His father was kind of a mess.
He was this incredible, man.

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He was a soldier out fighting in
the war.

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And by the time, World War 2 was
over clever.

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It was about five years old and
Clifford, senior was no longer

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as sprightly and excited.
One could say he was a shadow of

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a man, he came back home from
the war and he was like, you

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know what, I just I don't even
want to do anything even

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remotely violent anymore.
I wanted to be home.

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I want to have a home and be
happy now very much like in the

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United States there was a
program to give mortgages to

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Veterans and the same thing, it
was actually a much more

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extensive program than what the
u.s. offered because well,

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Canada wasn't dealing with the
anti-black racism.

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At the US was at the time.
But the Olson family decided to

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take up that offer to get it
back and they move to a much

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bigger city named Richmond.
And Richmond was booming,

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because a lot of veterans were
taken their version of the GI

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Bill and moving there.
And the place was building

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houses or more.
So bringing in people faster

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than they could, build houses
and Clifford.

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Senior is like, one able to get
a home very early on and a

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relatively large one, and he's
immediately able to get a job.

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But since a lot of skilled
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and he already had a background
in construction. so, at least

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for the family, The the fifth
year of Clifford's Life starts

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out pretty, pretty nice.
As for Clifford things, begin to

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go sour when he starts school in
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He was a short stocky little
boy.

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And since he'd only really lived
with his younger Silas siblings

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and his mom for so long.
He hadn't really been socialized

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to, like deal with a lot of
different people and Richmond.

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Most of the kids knew each other
and had, you know, since the

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daycare days so Clifford was
Feeling outside and a lot of the

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kids ignored him.
And at first Clifford kind of

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shut down, you know, you come
home and he would be upset and

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his mom would try and figure out
what was wrong.

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Within that first week though.
Five-year-old Clifford decided

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that well, you can't ignore me
if I punch you and he began

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picking fights with other
kindergarteners.

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And that was that was the path
that he Chosen.

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And now the kids had a reason
not to want to be around him and

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he started not just fighting
kids, his own age but older and

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he always lost.
Oh no.

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So he became like this kind of
joke.

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Among the kids at school, which
only made him want to fight

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more, and it was pretty common
for his mom to patch or repair

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his clothes, almost daily.
And if there was a day, he

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didn't come home with a black
eye or a bruise.

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It was a friggin miracle.
That reputation followed him

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into elementary school, he
didn't get good grades.

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And his teachers tried to help
but Clifford, never really did

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more than the bare minimum,
which was showing up and sitting

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in the chair.
His parents got used to To a lot

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of letters home every quarter
saying he's at risk of failing.

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Not this point.
He's in early Elementary School

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and his brothers come to school
too.

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And the teachers are shocked,
they assumed all the Olsen kids

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were going to be terrible after
their experience with Clifford.

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But the two brothers, Dennis and
Richard pop up and they are

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excellent students and never get
in trouble.

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So it kind of almost makes it
worse for Clifford because now,

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they're, like, why can't you be
like your brother?

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Others, you know how that goes,
Nobody Likes here and that's

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cool.
And so it's Clifford Juniors,

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entering Middle, School
Clifford, senior leaves

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construction and gets a job as a
property manager.

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And this is great.
This gives him all this time and

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more money.
And he's like now that we're

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financially stable, I'm going to
invest this time and money into

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my children, unlike almost every
True Crime.

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Dad.
We have ever discussed Clifford.

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Senior wanted to encourage his
kids to the way that he had

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never had.
As a child, the family love that

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the kids loved it.
Except for Clifford Junior, who

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was a total buzzkill?
and so, like the thing was, if

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you showed interest in like
anything, Clifford senior was

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like, all right, let's go do
this.

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So if like one of the boys was
like, oh well, I want to, you

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know, learn about science.
He's like bets go to the Science

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Museum and Clifford bigger went
along, but he didn't like it.

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And if somebody was like, I
really like music.

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He's like, awesome.
I'll take you to go.

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See people play violin or play
piano Clifford went along.

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We didn't seem to like it.
So one day, when Clifford

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Juniors about 12, his dad gets
tickets to a boxing match and

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he's just like I'm going to take
him Leona is not into this, but

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Clifford seniors.
Like, what if, you know, we can

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find one activity that will help
with his attitude.

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And so, he kind of like against
his wife's wishes, Takes him to

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this boxing match and he sneaks
them in.

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And from the moment, they
arrived Clifford jr.

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Is into it, he joins in with the
crowd, with the jumping and the

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screaming and the Clapping
Clifford seniors, like found it.

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The thing, my kid likes and so
just like he did with the other

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kids, he tastes like days.
After this Clifford juniors are

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talking about and, you know, and
then this happened, he's telling

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everybody about it.
So Clifford senior takes them to

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a boxing gym and there's one of
those old school.

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On with the sawdust floor and
big heavy leather bags and was

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full of ex-soldiers and
Old-Timers who just needed to

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get some air, you know, energy
out and he signs his short

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chubby sign up for lessons.
And Clifford jr.

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Is a natural in the ring Leon
has not too excited about it but

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this was the first time they'd
really ever seen their son,

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happy ever know.
And one day, when he goes to

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pick up Clifford, Junior
seniors, just kind of sitting

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outside in the car and the coach
is like, hey, I think he's good

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enough to enter a competition
and Clifford seniors.

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Like, are you just kind of like
You know, smoke up my ass.

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Yeah, you could.
You could give me the pay for

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more lessons but the coaches,
like, no, I'm serious.

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Come inside and look at him,
he's in the ring right now.

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And so he walks in and sees his
son, just, you know, duck and

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dive in throwing punches like,
he's bouncing around the ring

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like lightly and like he's all
right.

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He's like all right.
And so the two of them while

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he's finishing up his fire
talking about Your specialized

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diets training schedules.
Maybe one Heyday can be in the

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Olympics like around this time,
boxing was huge across the

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world.
I mean, the u.s. we have

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Muhammad Ali.
Like everybody had their person

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and like it was a huge thing.
Of course so far like all of our

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stories involving Clifford,
thanks shift.

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Clifford Junior just one day.
Quits boxing pretty abruptly.

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See he had a plan.
All those kids who'd been

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whooping him for the last six
years, he had an Arya Stark like

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00:31:12,900 --> 00:31:17,000
list and he intended to make all
of them pay.

449
00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:21,500
So, he systematically starts
showing up at these kids homes

450
00:31:21,900 --> 00:31:27,200
and knocking them all out.
Well, that's legit.

451
00:31:27,300 --> 00:31:31,900
You beat my ass in kindergarten
pop, knock them out right in

452
00:31:31,900 --> 00:31:34,100
their front yards.
Hey back.

453
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,900
And as he started taking these
kids out, one by one all the way

454
00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:43,200
up to the older kids, who
bullied him and knocking them

455
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,500
out to his reputation changes.
He's not a loser anymore.

456
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,000
Now, he's a bully.
Hmm.

457
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,100
See, as far as Clifford Junior
was concerned.

458
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,100
His dad wanted him to be the
best in the world and Clifford.

459
00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:57,500
Just wanted to be the best in
the school.

460
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,600
He still show up at the gym in
like spar with folks, but it was

461
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,700
only to stay Sharp.
He does make some friends, but

462
00:32:05,700 --> 00:32:08,600
most of his friends right now
are just people who want to stay

463
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,400
in his good graces and not get
knocked out.

464
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,300
Most were a little bit older and
already involved in like the

465
00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:19,900
criminal element in town and
somewhere around late middle

466
00:32:19,900 --> 00:32:22,800
school early high school.
As when Clifford discovers that

467
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:27,400
he has a gift, See.
All throughout his early

468
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,500
childhood he was like
aggressively unhappy about

469
00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:34,200
rejection and his new friends
taught him.

470
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,000
That listen rejection is in the
end of the world.

471
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,500
You can you can get past that
you just because he saw his

472
00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:42,600
friends because you know, he's
getting in the girls and things

473
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,900
right now and like he's
terrified to even talk to a

474
00:32:45,908 --> 00:32:47,900
girl.
His friends were like, listen,

475
00:32:47,900 --> 00:32:51,600
she says, no to you, who cares?
And so, he's like, he gets over

476
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:56,100
that mental block of being
rejected by everyone. and all of

477
00:32:56,100 --> 00:33:01,800
a sudden he can talk to anybody
and he starts taking notes from

478
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,600
his friends who were doing kind
of little cons and he noticed

479
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,700
that they were really slick and
they never made any mistakes and

480
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:15,500
that He was going to be better
than they were and when I bring

481
00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:18,500
that up because the thing is
when somebody is just too good

482
00:33:18,500 --> 00:33:22,200
Brian, I just gave him his to to
perfect.

483
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,200
Do you believe them know exactly
what's little?

484
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,600
So that's what he noticed.
Watching his friends who were

485
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,100
doing cons was that they were
actually being too good.

486
00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:36,800
And so he realized that if he
could strategically show a

487
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:41,000
weakness that would make people
trust him more like make himself

488
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,700
the butt of a joke.
Laugh along with it and then

489
00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:47,900
that Lord people's defenses and
then he could actually come

490
00:33:47,900 --> 00:33:50,000
them.
Rob them, convince them to give

491
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:54,500
him things his reputation for
being a bully, never really

492
00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:58,000
left.
Like he got to the point with

493
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,600
his ability to like talk kind of
smooth was that instead of

494
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,000
walking up to a kid at school
and punching them to steal their

495
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,300
money, he would pretty much kind
of coerce them into giving it

496
00:34:07,300 --> 00:34:10,100
up.
And he actually loved that idea

497
00:34:10,300 --> 00:34:13,100
that he didn't have to He could
get what he wanted without

498
00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:16,100
violence, okay.
And this goes on until he's

499
00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:20,400
about 16 years old.
At that point, he's like I feel

500
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,800
like I have everything I need to
be successful in life and

501
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,199
honestly, he's been skipping
school, pretty aggressively

502
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:30,500
since he was about 10 years old.
So when he just stopped showing

503
00:34:30,500 --> 00:34:37,199
up at Cambridge Junior High in
1956, they were like, okay, I'm

504
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:39,800
sure some of his teachers were
probably pretty happy to

505
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,600
realize.
He wasn't coming back.

506
00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:48,000
However, his parents are like,
listen, you gotta go to school

507
00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:53,199
but this very good quiet.
Kind of morose child didn't

508
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:56,800
exist anymore and his parents
are like, well, he's here.

509
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,700
He's become This.
Charming young man, who says, he

510
00:34:59,700 --> 00:35:02,500
doesn't want to go to school
anymore, but also says he has a

511
00:35:02,508 --> 00:35:04,600
plan.
I told his parents, he's like,

512
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,500
listen, we all know I'm not
going to college.

513
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,700
Why should I spend the next two
years trying to make a grades

514
00:35:10,700 --> 00:35:13,400
for college?
I'm not going to, I Is go and

515
00:35:13,408 --> 00:35:17,700
start making money now, as
parents are like, you know, that

516
00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:20,900
does make sense, but you got to
get a job.

517
00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:25,300
Like now the same day, his
parents told him, you got to go

518
00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:27,900
get a job.
He walked into the old Lansdowne

519
00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:31,400
Racetrack and talked them into
giving him a job.

520
00:35:31,900 --> 00:35:36,100
Damn what he was going to do was
take bets from the patrons at

521
00:35:36,100 --> 00:35:38,800
the racetrack and that involved
him kind of walking around and

522
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,900
talking to people and of course
his gift really He helps, you

523
00:35:43,908 --> 00:35:45,600
know, who do you thinks gonna
win?

524
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:50,000
And he would kind of nudge them
toward the wrong choice, so that

525
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,200
the track collected more money.
And then he started making his

526
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,000
own bets on the side to make
money off of their bad bets.

527
00:35:57,300 --> 00:36:01,800
And his employer didn't care
because they were making money

528
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,700
heads over.
You know, Fisto, it was a

529
00:36:03,707 --> 00:36:04,800
hangover Fest.
Yes.

530
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,900
And if anybody got mad at
Clifford for luring them into a

531
00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:11,900
bad investment.
Yeah, he wasn't super tall but

532
00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:14,600
he was still pretty stock.
And he absolutely could knock

533
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,400
you out kind of first time in
Clifford's life.

534
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,700
He's got a lot of money and he's
feeling pretty great about it.

535
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,900
He very quickly decided that he
could do better though.

536
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,900
So we went back to a lot of his
friends from high school.

537
00:36:27,100 --> 00:36:30,000
Many of them had also quit
school and he's like, listen you

538
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,300
guys always have money.
What are you doing to make all

539
00:36:32,300 --> 00:36:35,100
this money?
And they were like, I mean, we

540
00:36:35,100 --> 00:36:37,600
we do some things that are
pretty bad but we could use some

541
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,900
muscle, will pay you to keep us
safe as a lookout.

542
00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:44,300
And he does At first, but very
quickly.

543
00:36:44,300 --> 00:36:49,400
He's like I I need to do more
and so he keeps the job at the

544
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,600
track so that he has a day job
that makes sense for his

545
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,500
parents.
But then at night, he starts

546
00:36:54,500 --> 00:36:57,400
going to the bar and listed
under the hot gossip and he

547
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,300
heads out in the street for what
he feels is his real job.

548
00:37:01,300 --> 00:37:04,300
And in the beginning that was
Robin drunks still in their

549
00:37:04,300 --> 00:37:08,900
wallets mugging people.
Sometimes he was so successful

550
00:37:09,300 --> 00:37:11,500
at talking people out of their
money.

551
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,700
They didn't even report him.
Police.

552
00:37:13,900 --> 00:37:16,100
Okay.
Nice from from muggings.

553
00:37:16,100 --> 00:37:19,000
He moves into burglary and the
people who were teaching him how

554
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,000
to burglarize were actually
pretty bad at their job to the

555
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,300
point where Clifford improved
upon their method and just

556
00:37:25,300 --> 00:37:27,700
wasn't getting caught.
He was smart, calculated

557
00:37:27,700 --> 00:37:30,000
athletic.
And unlike many of the people

558
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,500
committing these jobs, he wasn't
an addict.

559
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,000
So he wasn't hindered by the
fact that he was under the

560
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:39,100
influence, like they were.
So he started doing is he would

561
00:37:39,100 --> 00:37:41,900
watch people while they were at
the track and he would, you

562
00:37:41,900 --> 00:37:45,000
know, take baths and He would
pick up the high, Spenders keep

563
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,400
an eye on them, especially if
they want.

564
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,600
You got to put down your
information and now he knows

565
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,400
where they live and then he
would hit their house later and

566
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,700
he was doing it so well, that
the police actually thought that

567
00:37:57,700 --> 00:38:03,300
this was a new gang.
Or even the mob moving into town

568
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,700
even though there were no real
patterns to it, the police did

569
00:38:06,700 --> 00:38:09,900
come up with a way that was
successful.

570
00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:13,800
Unfortunately, his methodology
is, what got him caught

571
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,200
essentially.
A lot of people who robbed will

572
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,800
go back to an easy spot over and
over again and that's how they

573
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,800
get caught and Clifford noticed
that.

574
00:38:22,900 --> 00:38:27,500
So he was like, I'm only going
to hit these people once and

575
00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:29,000
then I'll move to a different
look.

576
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,100
You know, I'll go to different
locations.

577
00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:34,500
And so what the police did was
they kind of plotted all of his

578
00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:37,000
burglaries and like, at this
point we're talking about well,

579
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,900
over 30.
And so they're plotting them out

580
00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:44,600
and they go, we're just going to
wait, where he hasn't gone yet.

581
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,500
And one night cop saw him
climbing into a window.

582
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:58,500
Clifford's family is very upset.
Clifford senior refuses to speak

583
00:38:58,500 --> 00:39:01,200
to him at all, won't visit him
in prison.

584
00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:05,600
Won't post his bail or contact
anybody who could post it.

585
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,000
His mom, pretty much related
information between dad and son,

586
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,400
and despite the fact that
Clifford senior was mad at him,

587
00:39:11,700 --> 00:39:13,900
he didn't want his kid to go to
jail forever.

588
00:39:13,900 --> 00:39:16,700
Just a little bit right there
first.

589
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,200
Yeah, it was the first time he'd
ever been in trouble.

590
00:39:19,700 --> 00:39:22,400
So they spent all their savings
and they got them a really good

591
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:23,500
boy.
And try and keep them out of

592
00:39:23,500 --> 00:39:25,100
prison for a long amount of
time.

593
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,600
So here's the thing, Clifford's
clever Juniors.

594
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,900
Lawyer is like, listen, he's
underage.

595
00:39:29,900 --> 00:39:35,200
She's only 17 and the police are
like he's robbed 15 to 30

596
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,000
houses.
But the promise they couldn't

597
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,600
prove that it was him.
Who did all the other ones?

598
00:39:41,900 --> 00:39:45,300
Yes, it matched a pattern, but
they searched the entire Olson

599
00:39:45,300 --> 00:39:50,000
house, and found only cash.
There were no items that had

600
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,400
belonged to any of the houses
that have been hit.

601
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,200
And that's because Clifford had
a solid set of people.

602
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:00,300
He fenced stolen goods to and he
would take the items directly

603
00:40:00,300 --> 00:40:06,700
from the job to the fence so
that he never had the items on

604
00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:10,500
him for longer than an hour or
so, damn, this smart.

605
00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:13,300
Okay, the judges definitely
like, I understand what you're

606
00:40:13,300 --> 00:40:16,000
saying, but you're not giving me
what I need for a conviction

607
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,100
here.
That's the judges.

608
00:40:18,100 --> 00:40:20,600
Like maybe we can do like a
little scared-straight situation

609
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,000
here, so they sent him to the
Haven borstal, correctional

610
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,900
center and bernabe to serve,
nine months, until he turns 18

611
00:40:29,300 --> 00:40:34,300
Clifford isn't into New Haven.
It was everything he hated about

612
00:40:34,300 --> 00:40:36,600
school and also he couldn't
leave.

613
00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:40,800
Guards and teachers control, the
virtually every moment of the

614
00:40:40,808 --> 00:40:43,800
students lives.
Anytime he felt like he could

615
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:49,400
relax, he is being watched and
the thing is covered smart kid.

616
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,000
He could have done what the
judge wanted him to do.

617
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,700
He might not have been a bad
good student but he wasn't.

618
00:40:56,700 --> 00:40:59,500
A stupid guy.
Thing is clyfford still kind of

619
00:40:59,500 --> 00:41:02,600
angry.
Despite the fact that like all

620
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,100
of the things that bothered him
when he was very young, he has

621
00:41:06,500 --> 00:41:10,100
absolutely overcome and best it
all of it.

622
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,400
He still mad.
And he's got this sense of

623
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,300
teenage rebellion.
Plus he really doesn't like when

624
00:41:16,300 --> 00:41:19,400
people have more power than him,
he feels like they're picking on

625
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,000
him and so he spends a lot of
those nine months, focusing on

626
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,000
Revenge I just have enough
despite the fact that Clifford

627
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,400
is it a completely different
School area, his reputation of

628
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,600
being a terrifying, child
extends into the facility, he

629
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:39,900
still buff and he verbally
lashes out at people, you know,

630
00:41:39,900 --> 00:41:44,400
like, he cuts them down just
publicly humiliates them, and

631
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,300
he's physically stronger than a
lot of them.

632
00:41:46,700 --> 00:41:50,600
And so, very quickly, people
learn not to mess with him.

633
00:41:52,500 --> 00:41:56,700
And then one night in the dorm,
he Witnesses a rape. and for

634
00:41:56,700 --> 00:42:00,300
most people that would be a
horrifying experience, but

635
00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:04,400
Clifford is like That's another
way to humiliate and control

636
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,700
people.
And so he goes, and he talks to

637
00:42:07,700 --> 00:42:10,800
the other rapist and he's like,
I would like to be a part of

638
00:42:10,808 --> 00:42:14,300
this.
And the other boys were like,

639
00:42:14,300 --> 00:42:16,900
well, you're the oldest and the
biggest so sure.

640
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,300
And they pretty much give him
his choice of victims.

641
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,600
Pretty much the most feminine
looking younger boys were set

642
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,800
aside specifically for him
though.

643
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,600
He did allow some of his friends
in his little rape, click to

644
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,800
violate them as well.
By the time he left New Haven.

645
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,800
There wasn't another kid there
who was lost like like the other

646
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:42,200
students.
The staff hated And the best

647
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:46,300
thing about Clifford is that two
months, before he supposed to

648
00:42:46,300 --> 00:42:50,300
leave mind you his sentence was
only nine months.

649
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,500
So, seven months into his
sentence.

650
00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:55,900
He's like, you know what, I'm
tired of being here, I'm just

651
00:42:55,900 --> 00:42:59,700
gonna leave.
And so, one day, he noticed that

652
00:42:59,700 --> 00:43:05,100
one of the trees near the like
wall, with the stone wall,

653
00:43:05,100 --> 00:43:08,700
around the building had grown a
bit, too high and hadn't been

654
00:43:08,700 --> 00:43:11,400
pruned properly.
And so he straight-up climbs the

655
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:16,800
Three is over the wall and in
the woods, follow the road and

656
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,900
heads back to Richmond before,
people are even aware.

657
00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:20,800
He's gone.
By the time they set off the

658
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,300
alarms and the policeman show
up, he's a solid distance away.

659
00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:28,600
The police, of course, go to the
Olson home and they're like, we

660
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,000
wouldn't come here, he knows we
turn a man.

661
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,500
He stops in Richmond long
enough, so he can grab cash from

662
00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:36,100
the people who owed him some
money.

663
00:43:36,300 --> 00:43:38,500
And then he goes, and tries to
steal a boat.

664
00:43:38,900 --> 00:43:42,100
And I say, tries to steal a
boat, he kind of Steals it.

665
00:43:42,300 --> 00:43:46,000
So he doesn't know how to work
about.

666
00:43:46,300 --> 00:43:51,000
So when the police get to the
dock, he's turned it on and

667
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:55,800
that's about it and he figures
out how to make it move at the

668
00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:02,900
highest speed and he just goes.
He is barely avoiding.

669
00:44:03,300 --> 00:44:06,700
Many of the obstacles in the
river, the police show up in

670
00:44:06,700 --> 00:44:10,500
their boats and they chase him
and then they fire a warning

671
00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:14,000
shot.
And he cuts off the motor stands

672
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,900
up and puts his hand in the air.
They dragged him to shore arrest

673
00:44:17,900 --> 00:44:22,100
him again and while there, you
know, shackling him the police

674
00:44:22,100 --> 00:44:25,400
said that he started laughing
and said you spent your whole

675
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,800
night chasing a free man my
birthday's in a couple week

676
00:44:28,900 --> 00:44:32,300
weeks I'll be back on the street
anyway turns out that's a bad

677
00:44:32,300 --> 00:44:35,100
thing to say to the police
because yeah relate that

678
00:44:35,100 --> 00:44:39,100
information to the judge and the
judge was like, nah, you get two

679
00:44:39,100 --> 00:44:40,900
more years.
No parole.

680
00:44:41,500 --> 00:44:43,900
Don't doesn't he do?
You hear his Miranda rights?

681
00:44:43,900 --> 00:44:46,900
Like, whatever you say can be
used against you?

682
00:44:49,700 --> 00:44:53,200
I guess, I'd he's street-smart
not necessarily other smart but

683
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,200
The judge also decided that he
can't be trusted to stay at the

684
00:44:57,207 --> 00:45:00,500
facility for children.
So he's being sent to an adult

685
00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:03,600
prison this time and not present
is called The Haney,

686
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,600
Correctional Facility.
I'm going to give you a heads up

687
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,200
that this is one of the first of
many prisons.

688
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:12,700
This man spends the next 30
Years in, and out of Haney

689
00:45:12,700 --> 00:45:17,100
prison opened in 1957, it was
based on Rehabilitation the

690
00:45:17,100 --> 00:45:18,300
ideas.
They were going to push these

691
00:45:18,300 --> 00:45:22,000
really positive, social values
and behavior, and provide a

692
00:45:22,008 --> 00:45:26,900
training program.
It closed in 1975, and that's

693
00:45:26,900 --> 00:45:31,700
not how it ended Clifford
arrives in 1958, and, despite

694
00:45:31,700 --> 00:45:33,900
their very Noble and idealistic
principles.

695
00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:36,500
They built this present on.
It's still, a pretty depressing

696
00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:38,500
place.
I think, honestly, all persons

697
00:45:38,500 --> 00:45:41,700
are depressing.
It was very different from

698
00:45:41,700 --> 00:45:44,000
borstal.
He wasn't the top dog anymore,

699
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,000
and the things that had given
him respect among children at

700
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,000
the other facility, just didn't
exist here.

701
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,000
Of course, as soon as he starts
at he arrives in Haney, he's

702
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,300
picking fights and that did give
some Prisoners the idea that

703
00:45:57,300 --> 00:45:59,900
they couldn't you know mess with
him but it still wasn't

704
00:45:59,900 --> 00:46:01,600
anything.
Like before he didn't really

705
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,300
have a place in the prison
hierarchy and people kind of

706
00:46:04,308 --> 00:46:10,600
just left him alone.
He did rape other inmates but he

707
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,000
couldn't control them like he
had done.

708
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,600
What the younger boys.
Also in Haney, the guards were

709
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,100
constantly on him probably
because they've been told that

710
00:46:19,100 --> 00:46:20,800
he escaped from his last
facility.

711
00:46:21,900 --> 00:46:23,800
Haney had a really strict
schedule for everybody.

712
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,600
That's how prison is like
mealtimes, you know, but for

713
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:34,800
Clifford it was actually worse.
If he wasn't at work or at

714
00:46:34,900 --> 00:46:38,100
eating, he was confined to his
cell.

715
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,800
He wasn't allowed to like, have
like the free time like

716
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,700
everybody else had And there
were plenty of instances where

717
00:46:45,700 --> 00:46:49,100
Clifford would try and fight the
guards like physically as they

718
00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:52,700
were trying to put him back in
his cell after an activity.

719
00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:57,000
This of course only makes the
guards treat you worse and it's

720
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,500
written down in your record
Clifford.

721
00:47:00,500 --> 00:47:02,600
Just didn't like the fact that
people demanded he had to be at

722
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,700
a certain place at a certain
time and I get that because

723
00:47:05,700 --> 00:47:09,400
that's literally prison and why
everybody hates it.

724
00:47:10,100 --> 00:47:13,400
I'm like that's not that's me.
You don't get to make the rules

725
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:14,700
anymore.
Well, It's good that you've

726
00:47:14,700 --> 00:47:18,400
never been in prison.
I know a place for you.

727
00:47:18,900 --> 00:47:22,300
I can be pissing like what?
I gotta be where what time damn.

728
00:47:22,300 --> 00:47:27,300
Come on.
Hmm, Thank You.

729
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,800
So eventually though, he did
earn a little bit of respect

730
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,900
from the guards, once he stopped
fighting them so much and when

731
00:47:33,900 --> 00:47:35,700
he does that, they give him a
little bit more freedom.

732
00:47:36,900 --> 00:47:38,400
There.
He was able to start talking to

733
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,900
some of the other prisoners and
put his charismatic skills to

734
00:47:42,900 --> 00:47:46,400
good use.
He starts listening when people

735
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:52,600
are talking in groups and he
just sits there and Lawrence and

736
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,000
then he starts dropping that
information to the guards about

737
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,600
drugs that were being sold in
the prison or things that were

738
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,600
being smuggled in and of course
it's one of the soon as the

739
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,400
guards get this information they
crack down on things and they

740
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,700
were very happy to erase some of
the dark marks on Clifford's

741
00:48:08,700 --> 00:48:13,000
record.
This is a very dangerous line

742
00:48:13,500 --> 00:48:17,800
that he's Crossing.
But the prisoners don't find out

743
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,200
that he's the reason why things
get locked down.

744
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,200
The things are being removed
from the prison that are

745
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,000
Contraband.
And within a little bit over a

746
00:48:26,008 --> 00:48:31,100
year, they release him on good
behavior because of the

747
00:48:31,100 --> 00:48:34,400
snitching.
Since 1959.

748
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,200
He's 19 years old now.
And as soon as he's free, he

749
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,400
goes back to do on exactly the
same stuff he was doing before.

750
00:48:40,900 --> 00:48:43,600
Main problem is the most of his
old contacts are either in

751
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,300
prison.
Themselves are no longer in the

752
00:48:45,300 --> 00:48:48,600
criminal World, his fence who
had a bunch of his money.

753
00:48:48,900 --> 00:48:51,800
I mean, at this point it's been
three years so that guy was long

754
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:56,700
on.
He really had nothing and so he

755
00:48:56,700 --> 00:49:00,800
goes home and he bags Leona and
Clifford for a chance and

756
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,700
they're like, fine, you can
sleep here.

757
00:49:02,900 --> 00:49:06,600
But they are really trust him.
His brothers and sisters are

758
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,900
kind of doing their best in
school and not following in

759
00:49:09,900 --> 00:49:13,600
their Big Brother's footsteps.
Now despite the fact that the

760
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,500
judge said no to parole Clifford
got purple.

761
00:49:16,700 --> 00:49:20,400
So he had some probationary
conditions, one of which is that

762
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,900
he wasn't allowed to leave
British Columbia, he had to

763
00:49:22,900 --> 00:49:25,700
report any change of address to
the police immediately.

764
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,500
And of course, when you're on
probation, despite being free,

765
00:49:30,500 --> 00:49:35,800
you still feel kind of confined.
And coincidentally, the day that

766
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,500
he reported moving to New
Westminster into one of those

767
00:49:39,500 --> 00:49:43,100
crap apartments that rents out
beds to people and has as many

768
00:49:43,100 --> 00:49:46,500
people.
And as possible, pretty much

769
00:49:46,500 --> 00:49:48,900
illegal housing.
But that's what he moved to the

770
00:49:48,900 --> 00:49:50,600
police, showed up that day
because there had been

771
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:55,200
burglaries and New Westminster,
Very quickly.

772
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,500
I local pawnshop reporters, the
police that some of those

773
00:49:57,500 --> 00:49:59,200
missing items had been Pond
there.

774
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,800
And, of course, the person who
had pawned, it was Clifford

775
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,100
Olson jr.
And within weeks of being

776
00:50:06,100 --> 00:50:12,100
released, he is back in jail
again, awaiting trial goodness.

777
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,200
And there is none of that.
Oh, he's just a young boy, he

778
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,000
needs another chance.
No court appointed attorney

779
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:26,200
could not do anything for him.
He's a career criminal at 19,

780
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:31,800
open-and-shut 10 years.
Also, they're like you're going

781
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,200
to British Columbia
Penitentiary, which is maximum

782
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,700
security.
And while Haney had not been the

783
00:50:36,700 --> 00:50:39,500
most Pleasant event positive
place, they wanted it to be.

784
00:50:39,700 --> 00:50:42,200
It was Leaps and Bounds better
than British Columbia.

785
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:46,500
Penitentiary BCP was built in
1878.

786
00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:51,800
It looks like a giant foreboding
Castle which is super

787
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,200
interesting because Eastern
State Penitentiary is in

788
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,700
Philadelphia.
Also looks like a giant

789
00:50:56,700 --> 00:50:59,100
foreboding Castle.
I'm like, wow.

790
00:51:00,100 --> 00:51:04,700
Look for jails.
At the time, the the county

791
00:51:04,700 --> 00:51:07,800
prison in Lancaster is, yes,
yes.

792
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:12,900
Looks like a giant for boating.
At least the one part they've

793
00:51:12,900 --> 00:51:15,600
changed like the one part to
make it more modern but the the

794
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:20,400
intake area the front of it
looks like a giant castle.

795
00:51:20,700 --> 00:51:25,300
Like this was very much a thing.
We did in the 1800s, early 90s,

796
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,400
interesting enough and BCPS
history.

797
00:51:28,500 --> 00:51:31,700
There have been riots Riots in
the 30s that were due to them.

798
00:51:31,700 --> 00:51:36,900
Not paying prisoners for their
labor and it actually ended up

799
00:51:36,900 --> 00:51:40,000
with Canada, completely
reforming, prison, labor laws

800
00:51:40,500 --> 00:51:43,200
because of it.
Now, eventually BCP will get

801
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:48,000
decommissioned in 1980 before
our boy Clifford left it, it was

802
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,300
one of the most dangerous
presence in Canada mainly

803
00:51:51,300 --> 00:51:54,900
because of the people who were
there, the guards and the

804
00:51:54,900 --> 00:51:58,400
inmates are in a constant battle
of wills Clifford walks into an

805
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:02,900
environment.
That is On edge and Clifford is

806
00:52:02,900 --> 00:52:07,900
placed in a cell with serial
rapist, Gary, Marco, Gary was

807
00:52:07,900 --> 00:52:10,900
known for a lot of sexual
aggression, among the other

808
00:52:10,900 --> 00:52:13,500
prisoners, which mostly went
unchecked.

809
00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:16,400
And so, the guards assume that
Clifford is going to immediately

810
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:21,100
get sexually assaulted by Gary.
But something else happens, he

811
00:52:21,100 --> 00:52:27,100
becomes his friend and he
straight up plays his roommate.

812
00:52:27,500 --> 00:52:29,800
Like, you know, I'm the new guy
I just want to Learn what this

813
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:34,500
place is like and eventually he
gets Gary to confess about the

814
00:52:34,500 --> 00:52:37,300
rape and murder of a little girl
that the police hadn't been able

815
00:52:37,300 --> 00:52:40,700
to attach him to.
So of course he immediately

816
00:52:40,700 --> 00:52:43,700
Weigel's that information in
front of the guards, who put him

817
00:52:43,900 --> 00:52:47,500
in the room with the warden and
the Warrens like listen, this

818
00:52:47,500 --> 00:52:50,000
means nothing jailhouse.
Confession means, absolutely

819
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,300
nothing.
If you can give us some evidence

820
00:52:55,100 --> 00:52:58,800
And we can talk about it.
Got to be someone, that's it,

821
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,800
miscible in court.
So, over the next couple of

822
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,300
months, Clifford, is just trying
to maintain this friendship with

823
00:53:04,300 --> 00:53:07,200
Gary but also trying to push him
for details.

824
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:13,100
And in the end it's not his.
His gift to talk that gets the

825
00:53:13,100 --> 00:53:17,400
confession.
See BCP has a bustling illegal

826
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,400
alcohol, ring at the time and
Clifford exchanged.

827
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,600
A couple favors with people and
he got himself some Hooch and he

828
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:28,100
shared it with his roommate.
In fact, he gave most of it To

829
00:53:28,100 --> 00:53:32,000
Gary after lights out as
Clifford didn't really drink

830
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:38,400
that much and he coerces Gary,
and to writing down a confession

831
00:53:38,700 --> 00:53:44,300
and signing it while he's drunk
Gary passes out.

832
00:53:46,100 --> 00:53:48,700
And when he wakes up he expects
to see Clifford.

833
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:53,100
Also hung over but his soul
mates not there and so he

834
00:53:53,100 --> 00:53:57,900
remembers this confession and
rips the cell apart looking For

835
00:53:57,900 --> 00:53:59,800
it.
He looked, he talks to the other

836
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,500
inmates and they're all like,
oh, Clifford's in solitary.

837
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,000
We don't know why.
We just woke up and he's in

838
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,000
solitary confinement and they
said he's going to be there for

839
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,300
a really long time.
The next couple of hours, the

840
00:54:10,300 --> 00:54:12,400
police show up and pull Gary out
of prison.

841
00:54:12,700 --> 00:54:16,000
And they also take Clifford out
and they're both held at a

842
00:54:16,008 --> 00:54:18,700
different location until the
court date.

843
00:54:19,100 --> 00:54:23,800
They show up and Gary and tends
to say oh he made it all up, it

844
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,200
was a lie but Clifford gets the
chance to speak first at court

845
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,000
and he Tells the true story of
what happened.

846
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,900
He's like, listen, we both got
really drunk and he admitted

847
00:54:31,900 --> 00:54:35,200
everything to me and I told him
that it would make him feel

848
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:39,300
better if he wrote it down and
that, of course, you know, he

849
00:54:39,300 --> 00:54:43,500
had to add a little flavor to it
and say, you know, I had to give

850
00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:45,800
this to the Warren because I
just couldn't sleep in the same

851
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,400
room as someone who did such a
horrible thing to a little girl.

852
00:54:48,500 --> 00:54:50,300
Oh my god, of course.
Yes.

853
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,800
Gay, of course, tries to
discredit Clifford on the stand

854
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,700
and all falls flat because Gary
Marco is already convicted

855
00:54:55,700 --> 00:54:59,300
rapist and Clifford's only
Burglar, he'd never heard

856
00:54:59,300 --> 00:55:03,000
anybody that they know about the
lawyers, try to prove that

857
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,000
Clifford's lying, but
essentially because Clifford got

858
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,100
on the stand and admitted to
committing a crime that would

859
00:55:09,100 --> 00:55:11,200
technically add more time, do a
sentence.

860
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,200
It made his story more credible,
right?

861
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:18,400
Yeah, that drinking like,
tidally he admitted to something

862
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:23,400
that it was a crime.
Yeah, I'm definitely even if it

863
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,000
wasn't that like in real life
because I think he's tired, I

864
00:55:26,008 --> 00:55:28,300
don't know that.
I think the age for alcohol is

865
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,200
like, 18 in Canada, but the
issue is that I don't think

866
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,800
anywhere.
You're allowed to just make your

867
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:39,400
own your own Hooch.
Bathroom think that violates a

868
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,500
bunch of laws to.
But either way, this changes

869
00:55:42,500 --> 00:55:47,300
Gary, Marcos sentence from 25
years to a full life sentence

870
00:55:47,300 --> 00:55:50,200
and he gets transferred to a
different prison so that

871
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:51,800
Clifford can go back to British
Columbia.

872
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,000
Very quietly.
The warden reduces Clifford

873
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,000
sentence.
Now, he only has to do two and a

874
00:55:58,008 --> 00:56:01,500
half more years.
He only spent like, six months

875
00:56:01,500 --> 00:56:04,700
in prison at this point, so it's
not a bad deal and he's pretty

876
00:56:04,700 --> 00:56:07,300
excited about it when he gets to
the prison, but then the truth

877
00:56:07,300 --> 00:56:09,300
of what happened begins to go
around.

878
00:56:09,700 --> 00:56:12,400
And of course the other
prisoners are like oh you're not

879
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:17,900
trustworthy and they started
getting pretty hostile spitting

880
00:56:17,900 --> 00:56:21,700
on him as he walks past the
cells, pushing him in the line.

881
00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:24,000
Her line threatening to kill
him.

882
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,400
You sided with the police that's
Unforgivable.

883
00:56:29,500 --> 00:56:32,000
Since Clifford is entrusted by
the end mates, he couldn't get

884
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,800
close enough to them to get the
gossip to give to the guards.

885
00:56:35,100 --> 00:56:37,200
And without that information,
the guards don't really care

886
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,600
about him anymore.
Pretty much.

887
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,900
He realizes that he only has two
and a half years left, but

888
00:56:43,900 --> 00:56:45,800
they're going to suck really
bad.

889
00:56:47,700 --> 00:56:49,800
The thing that worry Clifford
the most though is that there

890
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:53,500
was always, this strange
undercurrent of unhappiness and

891
00:56:53,500 --> 00:56:57,100
anger in the prison.
And he was worried that when the

892
00:56:57,100 --> 00:57:00,400
violence happened, he was going
to be on the side of people

893
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,800
getting hurt.
So, one day, there's a small

894
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,000
prison Uprising, and I actually
looked up all the prison

895
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,300
Uprising says, wasn't considered
to be big enough for them to

896
00:57:08,300 --> 00:57:11,700
report at.
They weren't all that uncommon

897
00:57:12,300 --> 00:57:15,100
you know, and made throws
something or gets an aggressive

898
00:57:15,100 --> 00:57:18,400
with a guard other people join.
And answer the guards, rushed to

899
00:57:18,408 --> 00:57:21,500
the that special room to grab
their right gear, break up the

900
00:57:21,500 --> 00:57:23,100
chaos and all goes back to
normal.

901
00:57:24,700 --> 00:57:27,700
But essentially what Clifford
does is when the guards rushed

902
00:57:27,700 --> 00:57:32,100
to the Gear room, he sort of
hides in the shadows and he

903
00:57:32,100 --> 00:57:34,600
waits until they're all geared
up and before the door can

904
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:39,100
close, he slips through and
walks out of the prison.

905
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,900
Because the guards all rushed to
the area where the trouble was.

906
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,000
I guess that this wasn't one of
the major riots, but it was big

907
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,000
enough that it took them a
couple days to figure out where

908
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,900
everybody was.
They usually when there's a riot

909
00:57:55,900 --> 00:57:59,500
though, the leaders of the
Rebellion get moved taken a cord

910
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,100
injured.
Guards, injured inmates, it

911
00:58:03,100 --> 00:58:04,400
couldn't be fit in the
infirmary.

912
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:09,200
Have to go to local hospitals.
Finally, after, like, two or

913
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:13,300
three days, they're just like
We're missing somebody.

914
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,900
We're missing Clifford Olson.
And at first, they were kind of

915
00:58:17,900 --> 00:58:21,000
confused because they're like,
wait, there's no way you just

916
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:25,100
dropped his 10-year sentence
down to two, who would risk all

917
00:58:25,100 --> 00:58:30,500
that with an asleep Clifford
was, in fact, at first, the

918
00:58:30,508 --> 00:58:32,500
police are like, are you sure
you just didn't lose him,

919
00:58:32,500 --> 00:58:35,100
through paperwork.
Like maybe he's at another

920
00:58:35,100 --> 00:58:38,800
prison and he got moved around
when everybody else got moved

921
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,900
around.
And so they go and check with

922
00:58:41,900 --> 00:58:46,300
other facilities and finally,
they're like no, he's definitely

923
00:58:46,300 --> 00:58:49,700
not here.
They start setting up

924
00:58:49,700 --> 00:58:52,500
checkpoints and things but
Clifford's no longer anywhere

925
00:58:52,500 --> 00:58:54,800
near the first night.
He did sleep under the

926
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,500
Queensboro Bridge in New
Westminster who and within a

927
00:58:57,508 --> 00:59:00,700
couple days.
He's now, front page knows they

928
00:59:00,900 --> 00:59:04,100
track down his family, including
his siblings, who are away at

929
00:59:04,100 --> 00:59:07,600
different schools, has mom.
Leona does a TV interview

930
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:11,500
crying, just, you know, please,
turn yourself and save yourself

931
00:59:11,500 --> 00:59:14,200
for the present time Clifford
seniors on TV.

932
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,400
Like, he knows what he's facing,
he might have to serve 10 years.

933
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,700
He doesn't give Self up.
I hope they get him before.

934
00:59:19,700 --> 00:59:21,300
He does something really bad.
He's done.

935
00:59:21,300 --> 00:59:23,600
Bad enough already, those two
interviews.

936
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,500
Actually, the last public
interviews to the Olson family

937
00:59:26,500 --> 00:59:30,300
would ever make about their son
covers, obviously didn't see

938
00:59:30,300 --> 00:59:32,600
this because he was nowhere.
There was a television.

939
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,700
He was stealing clothes and
backpacks and heading into the

940
00:59:36,700 --> 00:59:38,900
woods.
He thought the police were going

941
00:59:38,900 --> 00:59:42,100
to check the city's first and
all of his old friends and his

942
00:59:42,100 --> 00:59:45,000
old haunts.
But in fact, they were like, no,

943
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,800
we're checking everywhere,
including the country.

944
00:59:47,900 --> 00:59:51,200
Side.
He was definitely clever but he

945
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,200
didn't realize there would be
dogs.

946
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:58,400
And one dog in particular was
named rentee and Randy.

947
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:02,000
The police dog found him hiding
in blackberry bushes which

948
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,700
actually have a lot of thorns.
So it had to have been pretty

949
01:00:04,700 --> 01:00:07,100
painful and Clifford had gotten
himself.

950
01:00:07,100 --> 01:00:10,800
So stuck in the bushes, they had
to physically cut him out of it,

951
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,300
full of thorns, and a couple of
dog bites because rentee was

952
01:00:14,300 --> 01:00:17,800
very excited.
They return him back to be CP.

953
01:00:17,900 --> 01:00:20,600
Add an additional year to a
sentence because of all the good

954
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,100
behavior and compliance mattered
more to the police than anything

955
01:00:24,100 --> 01:00:27,400
else.
The guards in the warden

956
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,900
actually take the blame for his
Escape saying you know, it was a

957
01:00:30,900 --> 01:00:33,100
riot.
He'd never been a ride before.

958
01:00:33,100 --> 01:00:36,100
He was probably just really
scared and ran away from the

959
01:00:36,100 --> 01:00:39,000
violence.
The prisoners are like not only

960
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,500
is he friends with cops but now
the cops are taking his side.

961
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,400
He might as well just be a cop
to him.

962
01:00:46,900 --> 01:00:49,300
Uh-huh.
So of course there are now

963
01:00:49,300 --> 01:00:52,900
rumors that Clifford is getting
special treatment and the only

964
01:00:52,900 --> 01:00:56,000
way that that ends with people
trying to kill him Yep,

965
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,400
Clifford's in a bad place.
He knows that there's no way

966
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,100
he's going to be able to escape
like normal.

967
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,700
So, one night he takes the
little razor out of his out of

968
01:01:04,700 --> 01:01:12,000
his shaver and cuts his wrists.
And when this does the cell

969
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,200
doors open in the morning, the
guides are like, wow.

970
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:19,100
Well uh we're gonna send a
doctor about an hour and they

971
01:01:19,100 --> 01:01:22,400
take him to the hospital and
like when I go like listen we

972
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,200
don't have anybody on site.
Who can help you?

973
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,700
You gotta wait here.
I even like thanks the guards,

974
01:01:26,700 --> 01:01:30,400
he's like being very nice to
them, they end up having to

975
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,100
transfer him to a local
hospital.

976
01:01:33,900 --> 01:01:37,500
And while he's in the hospital,
he is of course prospecting.

977
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,100
They Stitch him up and leave him
alone in the hospital room.

978
01:01:41,700 --> 01:01:44,800
He steals another patients,
close changes in the bathroom

979
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:50,400
and walks out of the building.
Three guards were sent to watch

980
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,200
him.
I don't know what they were

981
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:57,000
doing.
But he walked right by him this

982
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:57,600
time though.
Clever.

983
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,200
It's like I have a plan.
I'm not just going to wander

984
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:03,500
around and hope for the best.
I need to leave Canada.

985
01:02:04,100 --> 01:02:06,800
I ain't got a care of it as soon
as possible to a place where I

986
01:02:06,808 --> 01:02:09,500
don't have a record.
I America.

987
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:12,900
So he's heading south and he
goes Inland, avoiding major

988
01:02:12,900 --> 01:02:14,900
cities.
He breaks in a rural properties

989
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,400
leaving behind their valuables,
but stealing things like canned,

990
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,800
food and clothes and blankets
and a gun.

991
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,600
He didn't want to hurt anybody
but he was prepared to if he had

992
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,400
to unfortunately.
Intelligence gets him in trouble

993
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,900
again because he isn't stealing
the things that you would

994
01:02:27,900 --> 01:02:30,200
normally steal.
So, the police are like, that's

995
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:33,800
got to be him.
Who else is only stealing

996
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:37,500
survival supplies and heading
towards the American Border?

997
01:02:38,300 --> 01:02:40,700
The man who just escaped?
Yep.

998
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,100
So they put out border patrol
near New Westminster.

999
01:02:43,100 --> 01:02:45,900
And for people who don't know,
you can take a train right now

1000
01:02:45,900 --> 01:02:49,800
from New Westminster to Seattle,
it's like two hours and only

1001
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,600
cost you 40 bucks.
It's really not that far, so

1002
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,500
it's not really a surprise to
the police that he's trying to

1003
01:02:55,500 --> 01:02:58,400
get to America.
The problem is, they need to get

1004
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,400
to him before he is deep within
America.

1005
01:03:02,300 --> 01:03:06,700
Tea leaves like the woods of of
the northern part of the of

1006
01:03:06,700 --> 01:03:10,000
America and hits the city.
They won't be able to track him

1007
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,400
anymore.
He can just change his name and

1008
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:16,000
disappear.
So clever finally gets to the

1009
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:17,800
place where he's going to try
and cross the border.

1010
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,800
It's like a park and there's
nobody there and he turns the

1011
01:03:21,808 --> 01:03:23,700
corner on.
There are two teenagers out for

1012
01:03:23,700 --> 01:03:26,000
a walk.
He's exhausted and panicked.

1013
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,800
And later the teenager told the
police that he didn't aim the

1014
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:32,700
gun at them, but he started
waving it around and screaming

1015
01:03:32,700 --> 01:03:35,000
at them that they were ruining
everything.

1016
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:38,800
He makes them swear that they
won't tell anyone anything they

1017
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:42,200
saw and he takes off running.
And of course, the first thing

1018
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,700
these kids do is go to the
police station and tell the

1019
01:03:44,707 --> 01:03:46,900
police.
There's a Madman in the woods

1020
01:03:46,900 --> 01:03:49,800
screaming.
So, of course, the police take

1021
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:53,700
down and subscription
dark-haired guy, medium-sized,

1022
01:03:53,700 --> 01:03:56,700
mid-20s messy hair and they're
like, oh yeah, that's him.

1023
01:03:57,100 --> 01:04:00,600
And so all of border patrol are
out and they swarm that park

1024
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:04,700
within minutes cliff.
Here's this and he lays down on

1025
01:04:04,700 --> 01:04:09,200
the floor of the form of the
forest.

1026
01:04:09,300 --> 01:04:13,600
It's not funny, I'm sorry.
He covers himself with leave and

1027
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:17,200
he's just perfectly.
Still to the point where he can

1028
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:21,400
see the feet and the legs, the
police walking by him.

1029
01:04:22,100 --> 01:04:26,000
And the worst thing is, he
doesn't realize that the feet.

1030
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,000
He seeing are not Royal Canadian
Mounted Police.

1031
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:32,700
These are Washington state
police officers. who have been

1032
01:04:32,700 --> 01:04:35,500
called out and told that there
was a Canadian ex-con who had

1033
01:04:35,500 --> 01:04:44,900
entered illegally, Okay.
Another police dog would be the

1034
01:04:44,900 --> 01:04:47,200
one who ruined Clifford's
Escape.

1035
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:51,200
There you go.
Pepper was named tiger.

1036
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:55,200
No mines.
Uh, yeah.

1037
01:04:55,300 --> 01:04:57,700
Good boy, tiger.
I can only imagine what this

1038
01:04:57,700 --> 01:05:00,000
looks like their police all over
the area.

1039
01:05:00,300 --> 01:05:03,400
And then tiger the police dog,
just kind of walks up to a pile

1040
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,000
of leaves and begins barking at
it.

1041
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:09,400
And Clifford looks at the dog's
face and just kind of sits up

1042
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:13,000
and gives the side And puts his
gun down, and he's like, listen,

1043
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:16,700
I know I'm a son of a bitch, but
I'm not a dog killer and so they

1044
01:05:16,700 --> 01:05:19,100
take him to Blaine Washington to
be processed and then they

1045
01:05:19,100 --> 01:05:23,600
returned him to British Columbia
Penitentiary. now, interestingly

1046
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:27,000
enough after the second escape
attempt, the prisoners are kind

1047
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:34,200
of like, how'd you do that?
There are more escapes.

1048
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,900
I'm not gonna bore you with all
of them just telling you the

1049
01:05:36,900 --> 01:05:41,800
more interesting ones virtually
any time prisoners or guards.

1050
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:43,800
Begin to trust Clifford.
He destroys that trust.

1051
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:48,200
He escaped another time which I
said it ascends he started to

1052
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:52,100
get that sentence removed again
and honestly it look like he was

1053
01:05:52,100 --> 01:05:55,300
going to stay in prison forever
with this process of him,

1054
01:05:55,300 --> 01:05:59,300
escaping and being put back and
escaping and being put back but

1055
01:05:59,300 --> 01:06:03,600
ultimately what gets him
officially Released is the

1056
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,700
problem with having a prison
that's almost 100 years old.

1057
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:12,300
It was falling apart.
So after Clifford's fourth

1058
01:06:12,300 --> 01:06:15,600
Escape they had to shut down one
of the Wings due to structural

1059
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:20,000
damage and this wasn't just like
the roof is but they were having

1060
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:23,100
roof problems.
But also electrical systems that

1061
01:06:23,100 --> 01:06:27,000
would fail which would leave the
prisoners in complete darkness

1062
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,500
or the doors which is open which
we also can't have the plumbing

1063
01:06:30,500 --> 01:06:33,800
was constantly backing up which
was being helped by the fact

1064
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,000
that the prisoners were
sabotaging the plumbing.

1065
01:06:37,300 --> 01:06:39,900
And so they decide we're going
to close a couple wings.

1066
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,200
The one and we'll keep only the
ones that are in the best shape

1067
01:06:44,300 --> 01:06:47,100
and the excess prisoners can be.
Some can be sent to other

1068
01:06:47,100 --> 01:06:50,100
facilities or temporary
placement, which you usually

1069
01:06:50,100 --> 01:06:53,900
only get when your time is done
or some are offered early

1070
01:06:53,900 --> 01:06:56,200
release for having a good track
record.

1071
01:06:56,900 --> 01:06:59,700
And despite the fact that
Clifford was flighty, he did

1072
01:06:59,700 --> 01:07:04,300
have an exemplary prison record.
So they pull a man in there.

1073
01:07:04,300 --> 01:07:08,200
Like, listen, we're gonna
release you, but you have to go

1074
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:11,400
to your parole officer every
week and stay out of trouble.

1075
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:16,700
Which I think you know where
we're going with this any time,

1076
01:07:16,700 --> 01:07:20,400
he's not at the parole officers,
he's out committing crime.

1077
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:22,800
Oh yeah, of course.
Like I'm going to do that.

1078
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:26,500
All my wages referral officer or
when they catch him this time

1079
01:07:26,500 --> 01:07:28,900
they charged him with assault
armed robbery breaking and

1080
01:07:28,900 --> 01:07:32,700
entering and forgery.
Whoa, drunk driving.

1081
01:07:32,900 --> 01:07:37,100
Oh my God.
And in the car that was stolen.

1082
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:40,800
He had a bunch of the other
stuff he had recently stolen

1083
01:07:42,300 --> 01:07:45,100
Back to ship back to British
Columbia, penitentiary.

1084
01:07:46,300 --> 01:07:49,100
To one of his original cells,
which was a good one.

1085
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,900
The thing is, the guards
actually loved it.

1086
01:07:52,900 --> 01:07:55,600
When Clifford was back in prison
because when Clifford is in

1087
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,700
prison, we know everything
happening inside the walls of

1088
01:07:58,707 --> 01:08:00,800
the prison.
And so, of course, he starts

1089
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:02,500
feeding the information about
all the inmates.

1090
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:05,900
The problem is the prison is now
half the size that it used to

1091
01:08:05,908 --> 01:08:09,800
be.
And it's very small, small

1092
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:13,600
enough that people know that he
was the one who was there.

1093
01:08:14,900 --> 01:08:17,800
When certain information was
discussed, right?

1094
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,899
And the death strength start
coming in and the warden.

1095
01:08:21,899 --> 01:08:26,200
And the guards are like this is
serious, but instead of putting

1096
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:29,399
him in isolation, they offer him
early release.

1097
01:08:33,500 --> 01:08:35,100
You know, he's gonna run away
again, right?

1098
01:08:35,300 --> 01:08:38,100
Very similar to Charles Manson
Clifford Olson.

1099
01:08:38,100 --> 01:08:39,100
Jr.
Has no idea.

1100
01:08:39,100 --> 01:08:41,600
I had exist in the regular world
as a regular person.

1101
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:44,399
He has at this point completely
institutionalized.

1102
01:08:44,899 --> 01:08:52,000
But He knows how things work in
prison and he knows how to

1103
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:56,500
steal, and the police get it in
their mind that they can kind of

1104
01:08:56,500 --> 01:08:59,600
harness his ability to keep him
out of present.

1105
01:09:00,700 --> 01:09:03,899
As long as they do, he does
things to keep the police happy

1106
01:09:04,700 --> 01:09:08,500
as an informant.
We don't care if he's doing some

1107
01:09:08,500 --> 01:09:11,600
petty theft.
In fact, he becomes one of the

1108
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:13,899
best, informants at the British
Columbia Police have.

1109
01:09:13,899 --> 01:09:17,800
At this time, he shares every
detail except for the crimes

1110
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:22,800
that he's committed himself.
And then sometimes he even drops

1111
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:26,300
them information about crimes
where he is so that it doesn't

1112
01:09:26,300 --> 01:09:29,800
look like he's on their payroll,
but no charges ever seem to

1113
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,800
stick and he gets released every
time.

1114
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,200
So the thing is British Columbia
Police at this time, we're more

1115
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:39,300
concerned about the charges,
being cleared through the

1116
01:09:39,300 --> 01:09:42,300
information, they got from
Clifford than what he was up to.

1117
01:09:42,700 --> 01:09:44,899
And this transactional
relationship actually goes on

1118
01:09:44,899 --> 01:09:49,899
for a few years, but of course,
there were limits So Clifford

1119
01:09:49,899 --> 01:09:57,900
began to shift from crimes where
he had to physically be there to

1120
01:09:57,900 --> 01:10:00,000
more cons.
So instead of burglaries and

1121
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,400
muggings now, he's working fraud
and forgery.

1122
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:06,900
There were also these were all
crimes more likely to give him

1123
01:10:06,900 --> 01:10:10,500
money and there's less violence.
At this point.

1124
01:10:10,500 --> 01:10:14,500
He's broken the conditions of
his parole hundreds of times, at

1125
01:10:14,500 --> 01:10:22,200
least from what I calculated.
Ultimately, he will have over 90

1126
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:26,000
convictions, a total of seven
prison escapes out of that. 25

1127
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,900
year period.
He spends about four years

1128
01:10:28,900 --> 01:10:31,600
outside of jail, a little under
1200 days.

1129
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:33,500
I actually had it wrong in the
beginning.

1130
01:10:33,500 --> 01:10:36,800
I said 1500, I gave him the
benefit of the doubt, actually

1131
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:41,400
twelve hundred days is like 11,
something it's not, they don't

1132
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:43,200
keep putting them back in
prison, they absolutely keep

1133
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:46,500
putting them back.
The misdemeanors they let slide

1134
01:10:46,500 --> 01:10:48,900
but you know, once you move on
to the big things like fraud and

1135
01:10:48,900 --> 01:10:51,500
forgery, you gotta go back for a
little bit.

1136
01:10:51,700 --> 01:10:56,700
Yeah, at this point, British
Columbia prison is closed, but

1137
01:10:56,700 --> 01:11:00,000
it's not fully decommission
until 1980 but the prison is

1138
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,300
virtually not being used at all.
So they take him to Prince

1139
01:11:02,300 --> 01:11:05,800
Albert, penitentiary in
Saskatchewan and Prince.

1140
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:07,500
Albert prison was a
medium-security prison.

1141
01:11:07,500 --> 01:11:11,100
That ended up having to increase
its clearance because some of

1142
01:11:11,108 --> 01:11:13,500
the inmates from BCP had been
sent there.

1143
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:18,700
So you got this weird
amalgamation of a prison that's

1144
01:11:18,700 --> 01:11:24,100
like half high-security with
like super restrictions and then

1145
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:27,100
the other half people just get
to do whatever they want all the

1146
01:11:27,100 --> 01:11:30,400
time.
I honestly don't know if there

1147
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:34,000
are maximum security prisons at
the same place, usually, even if

1148
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:37,000
they're on the same, like lat,
they're normally their own

1149
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:40,600
confined spaces, right?
This was together, and that's

1150
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:44,100
very weird.
This place had loads of Got

1151
01:11:44,100 --> 01:11:49,100
Drugs, loads of gangs, lots of
Contraband and that's very weird

1152
01:11:49,100 --> 01:11:53,600
for Clifford because he's used,
always being on lockdown.

1153
01:11:54,100 --> 01:11:56,600
So there was never any time for
like gangs.

1154
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:02,200
Bonds to be formed at BCP
because they were never allowed

1155
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:04,400
to be that alone with each other
for very long.

1156
01:12:05,500 --> 01:12:09,100
But since people at Prince,
Albert had all this free time.

1157
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,800
They socialized.
Found Mutual reasons to hate

1158
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:15,000
each other.
Clifford, just the norm, you

1159
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,800
know, starts contacting the
guards, makes the Warren has new

1160
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:21,100
best friend offers to give them
information for early parole,

1161
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,500
and he kinds of settles into his
social hierarchy.

1162
01:12:23,500 --> 01:12:26,200
At this prison, the gangs are
willing to talk to him.

1163
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:29,100
But since he won't declare that,
he's a member of any gang.

1164
01:12:29,300 --> 01:12:31,700
That means they get tired of him
pretty quickly and kind of kick

1165
01:12:31,700 --> 01:12:35,600
them out and kind of put him in
a place where he can't do what

1166
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,100
he's good at because he needs to
see the crimes in order to be

1167
01:12:38,100 --> 01:12:40,600
able to mark.
So he can't get in good with the

1168
01:12:40,608 --> 01:12:43,800
gangs he does.
Watching the prisoners and

1169
01:12:43,808 --> 01:12:47,300
places where the guards don't
allow don't always watch.

1170
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,400
And when his first month, he
gives the warden a list of all

1171
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:54,000
the drug carriers in the prison
and he goes back to gen pop and

1172
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:56,300
the guards rush in and start
knocking people to the ground

1173
01:12:56,300 --> 01:12:59,200
and ripping their clothes apart
and throws people.

1174
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:02,600
This throws, the whole prison to
a rep uproar because the addicts

1175
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:05,100
don't have their supply and the
gangs make all their money off

1176
01:13:05,100 --> 01:13:08,000
the attics and everybody shuts
down ranks, trying to figure out

1177
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:10,900
who the leak is Clifford.
Doesn't realize his mistake,

1178
01:13:10,900 --> 01:13:14,100
until it's too late.
In a low-security prison, there

1179
01:13:14,100 --> 01:13:16,900
are places that guards do not
patrol all the time.

1180
01:13:17,100 --> 01:13:21,000
And those places are very
dangerous for people like

1181
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:24,300
Clifford great.
That's the stool pigeons.

1182
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:27,800
There's no way that a prison has
this kind of drug operation in a

1183
01:13:27,808 --> 01:13:30,800
Contraband operation.
And there aren't guards who were

1184
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:36,900
in on it and those cards gave
Clifford's name to the gangs and

1185
01:13:36,900 --> 01:13:38,700
the Gang.
Cornered him one day and we're

1186
01:13:38,700 --> 01:13:41,800
like, it was you and Clifford
was stabbed seven times.

1187
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:45,800
And it wasn't so much that the
stabbings weren't meant to kill

1188
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:48,200
him.
The fecal covered blades.

1189
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:52,900
However, Were Meant to the, the
infection was meant to kill him

1190
01:13:53,100 --> 01:13:55,200
and he actually ended up in the
hospital for several months.

1191
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:57,600
He had multiple serious
infections, and then secondary

1192
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:02,700
infections, just stocked full of
painkillers antibiotics, pretty

1193
01:14:02,700 --> 01:14:03,800
much.
By the time he was healthy

1194
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:05,500
enough to go back into the
prison population.

1195
01:14:05,500 --> 01:14:09,300
His parole was up again and the
warden was just like, listen, he

1196
01:14:09,300 --> 01:14:14,000
helped get the drugs out of our
prison and And honestly if he

1197
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:16,700
goes back they're probably going
to kill him this time.

1198
01:14:16,900 --> 01:14:20,200
Oh yeah definitely.
So they said I'm lost again but

1199
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:22,600
this time Clifford is 35 years
old.

1200
01:14:23,100 --> 01:14:26,700
It's by 1975 and he finds
himself relying.

1201
01:14:26,700 --> 01:14:29,800
Very heavily on drugs.
He knows he needs to kick the

1202
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:32,000
habit but he's really not ready
to honestly.

1203
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:35,200
He slips up a couple more times,
does a couple more bids in

1204
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:38,000
prison.
Most of his white collar crimes.

1205
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:41,100
He never gets a conviction for.
But in a pinch, he burglarized

1206
01:14:41,100 --> 01:14:44,200
has a home Police know it's him.
They go pick him up.

1207
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:48,900
He does a couple more months.
He ends up back at Prince

1208
01:14:48,900 --> 01:14:55,100
Albert, penitentiary.
And he escapes after only having

1209
01:14:55,100 --> 01:14:59,000
been gone for a few weeks at
this point, he knows the prison

1210
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:02,100
backward and forward, by the
time, the guards realize he

1211
01:15:02,100 --> 01:15:05,100
isn't in the Mac security side.
He's already outside of

1212
01:15:05,108 --> 01:15:07,700
Saskatchewan.
He ends up heading to Richmond.

1213
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:09,900
I'm sorry.
He has no friends.

1214
01:15:09,900 --> 01:15:15,100
No connections and not much
money, but he does steal a

1215
01:15:15,100 --> 01:15:17,300
little bit.
He runs a whole little apartment

1216
01:15:17,300 --> 01:15:19,500
and the new Serie Village
Apartments on King George

1217
01:15:19,500 --> 01:15:26,900
Highway in August of Team 80.
At 40 years old, he's never

1218
01:15:26,900 --> 01:15:32,700
lived by himself ever, he gets
odd jobs, very easy to hop on a

1219
01:15:32,708 --> 01:15:36,600
labor construction site,
sometimes he works as a gardener

1220
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:41,200
plumber, worked on heating.
He would pretty much post on the

1221
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:44,500
local community boards that he
was a handyman and a church

1222
01:15:44,500 --> 01:15:48,200
catches his eye.
Which is the people's Gospel

1223
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:52,500
Church in Surrey and he walks in
and he meets a woman named Joan

1224
01:15:52,500 --> 01:15:55,600
Hale and he begs her to put the
ad up on the wall.

1225
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:59,000
Joan was a little bit older than
him, but he definitely looked a

1226
01:15:59,008 --> 01:16:02,600
lot older than she did because
time and prison.

1227
01:16:03,900 --> 01:16:05,300
Clifford.
Notice she didn't have a wedding

1228
01:16:05,300 --> 01:16:09,400
ring.
I'm silly flirt a little bit.

1229
01:16:11,100 --> 01:16:16,900
And John Ford it back and he's
like, wait, there's a woman who

1230
01:16:16,900 --> 01:16:22,800
likes me.
And she agrees to put his add up

1231
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:25,600
on the little church board and
they have a dinner date.

1232
01:16:26,500 --> 01:16:32,300
And later that night Joan was
definitely the one who had

1233
01:16:32,300 --> 01:16:36,300
experience in Romance Clifford
had nothing other than I guess

1234
01:16:36,300 --> 01:16:42,100
normal teenage heavy petting.
Things thing is Joan was

1235
01:16:42,100 --> 01:16:46,200
recently divorced and even in
1980 recently, divorced wasn't

1236
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:49,400
that great of a look.
He didn't tell her whole lot

1237
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:51,100
about himself he's like you
know, I was a little bit in

1238
01:16:51,100 --> 01:16:55,500
trouble in the past and he did
get everything out of Joan

1239
01:16:55,500 --> 01:16:58,500
though that he could, he be
pumped for information about

1240
01:16:58,500 --> 01:16:59,900
everything in her life for
history.

1241
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:05,500
And a lot of people find that
flattering And Jones like nobody

1242
01:17:05,500 --> 01:17:08,000
ever no guy ever wants to know
about all the things I'm

1243
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:12,500
thinking, but for people like
me, I find that level of

1244
01:17:12,500 --> 01:17:15,900
attention early to be kind of
alarming.

1245
01:17:17,900 --> 01:17:20,600
Because of my own experiences
but also because of situations

1246
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:23,000
like this Con men.
This is what they do.

1247
01:17:23,500 --> 01:17:26,100
I mean we've talked we talked
about this with the, you know,

1248
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:30,000
what's his name?
Raymond Fernandez, the Lonely,

1249
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,800
Heart killer, right?
And Martha.

1250
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:35,400
Like they, they probably full
information, they make you feel

1251
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:36,900
great.
And then they rob, you and is

1252
01:17:36,900 --> 01:17:40,000
exactly what happened with the
Tinder swindler and Tale As Old

1253
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:43,800
As Time.
Don't give your money to men you

1254
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:52,400
just met please don't but Joan
finds this flattering and

1255
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,800
Clifford learns that Joan had
divorced her husband because he

1256
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:58,600
was an abusive alcoholic who
beat her quite a lot.

1257
01:17:58,900 --> 01:18:01,200
And she had received a
settlement from their divorce

1258
01:18:01,300 --> 01:18:03,100
and that's what she was really
living off of.

1259
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:07,600
It was by no means what she had
been used to, but it was good

1260
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:11,100
enough for her to live off of.
I don't really feel like

1261
01:18:11,100 --> 01:18:14,200
Clifford have feelings for her
but I think he knew that if he

1262
01:18:14,208 --> 01:18:17,000
could convince her to be with
him that he could get her.

1263
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:21,000
And so he kind of pressures her
to get sexual with him and then

1264
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:23,200
pressures her to move in with
him or more.

1265
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:28,200
He move in with her, definitely
gaslighting her into thinking,

1266
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:29,800
that she's the one who wanted
sex.

1267
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:33,000
She's the one who was pursuing
him, and I'm not saying she

1268
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:38,300
didn't enjoy it, Clifford,
treated Joan with a level of

1269
01:18:38,300 --> 01:18:43,100
respect that she was used to,
this is very reminiscent of what

1270
01:18:43,100 --> 01:18:48,100
happened with Gary Ridgway and
and Judith and that Judah that

1271
01:18:48,100 --> 01:18:54,100
come from a very Horrible
relationship and Gary Ridgway

1272
01:18:54,100 --> 01:18:57,100
treat her like gold.
And in this way Clifford didn't

1273
01:18:57,100 --> 01:19:05,500
necessarily treat Joan, like
gold, but It was way better than

1274
01:19:05,500 --> 01:19:10,100
her acts and just a couple of
months go by and they're living

1275
01:19:10,100 --> 01:19:13,000
together, living in sin as both
Joan, and my mother would have

1276
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:16,600
called it.
And what Clifford looked at as a

1277
01:19:16,608 --> 01:19:20,500
Khan was now something he was
starting to get kind of involved

1278
01:19:20,500 --> 01:19:24,600
in originally, he was just going
to rob her and disappear and

1279
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:28,200
take all her money and now he's
like well she makes me breakfast

1280
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:31,400
and lunch and dinner and she
really likes me and it's really

1281
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:36,000
nice to have somebody like you
so And she's over here on her

1282
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:39,700
side, like he's so nice to me
and he's really affectionate.

1283
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:43,300
And he's like, she's very
agreeable and I think the modern

1284
01:19:43,300 --> 01:19:47,400
guys would call that submissive.
This is all so weird because all

1285
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:50,400
of Clifford's prior sexual
experiences are violent.

1286
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:54,400
And he has no concept of
intimacy, that isn't him being

1287
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:57,700
absolutely horrible.
So now as a 40 year old man,

1288
01:19:57,700 --> 01:20:01,600
he's experiencing a certain
gentle kind of intimacy with

1289
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:03,100
Joan that he didn't really know
what.

1290
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:07,600
As possible.
And after some time, he's like

1291
01:20:07,700 --> 01:20:12,000
being nice to her, not because
he wants to robber, but for what

1292
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:15,700
she could give him the right.
Yeah, he's still super selfish

1293
01:20:15,700 --> 01:20:18,100
and he's absolutely living off
of Jones money from her

1294
01:20:18,100 --> 01:20:22,500
ex-husband and only working here
and there whenever he feels like

1295
01:20:22,500 --> 01:20:24,100
it.
But, like I said, because Janet

1296
01:20:24,100 --> 01:20:28,600
experience such severe abuse.
She was pretty much.

1297
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,600
Like, this isn't great what I'm
getting right now, but it's way

1298
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:35,600
better ones like.
Where is it?

1299
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:39,200
Hell and basically Clifford's,
it's on the floor.

1300
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:44,600
So hey better, it's honors.
Not on, it's not in Hell. 84

1301
01:20:45,100 --> 01:20:48,500
now, mind you Clifford starts
this relationship.

1302
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:52,700
Remember, I told you, he escaped
from prison a couple weeks after

1303
01:20:52,700 --> 01:20:54,000
he had gotten taken back to
Prince.

1304
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:58,600
Albert, he is now living with
this lady in a whole different

1305
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:00,800
city, real comfortable at this
point.

1306
01:21:00,900 --> 01:21:07,100
And he's like, I want to explore
Not in a good way though.

1307
01:21:07,500 --> 01:21:09,900
Okay.
I want two Double-Double back in

1308
01:21:09,900 --> 01:21:11,900
crime again and no, it's not
good.

1309
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:17,700
No, it's not.
He's like I have my old

1310
01:21:17,700 --> 01:21:20,700
apartment still, I can drop
things off there and I can crash

1311
01:21:20,700 --> 01:21:23,700
there if I've been drinking and
he even loves Joe know that he

1312
01:21:23,700 --> 01:21:27,100
has the other apartment and one
day he doesn't show up with the

1313
01:21:27,100 --> 01:21:31,300
rent payment and the landlord
who knows, Joan is like, yo, did

1314
01:21:31,300 --> 01:21:34,500
Clifford to Clifford just forget
the today was rent.

1315
01:21:34,500 --> 01:21:38,400
A Jones like I thought he was at
the apartment and they're like,

1316
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:43,900
well where the hell is, he
clever, is in jail, because a

1317
01:21:43,907 --> 01:21:45,900
woman in town, just accused him
of rape.

1318
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:50,300
And the police have not realized
that they have wanted Clifford

1319
01:21:50,300 --> 01:21:53,800
Olson on their hands.
And unfortunately, they think

1320
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:56,800
that the woman is not a reliable
witness and the case and

1321
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:58,800
Clifford's, like has gonna get
thrown out.

1322
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:01,300
But in the meantime, he's just
sitting there and prison afraid

1323
01:22:01,300 --> 01:22:04,000
to call Jonah, bail them out,
because who wants to explain to

1324
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:06,100
your girlfriend at the reason
Why you're in prison is because

1325
01:22:06,100 --> 01:22:11,900
you raped a local prostitute see
while he had been enjoying a lot

1326
01:22:11,900 --> 01:22:13,900
of that gentle intimacy with
Joan.

1327
01:22:14,100 --> 01:22:18,100
He still had real dark thoughts
about sex and in his head sex

1328
01:22:18,100 --> 01:22:23,200
and violence are connected.
And there is a high he gets from

1329
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:27,200
being violent, and he wants to
feel that high.

1330
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:31,400
So, the night of the attack, he
got high on pills and goes bar

1331
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:34,500
hopping, and his victim said
that he approached her at a bar.

1332
01:22:34,500 --> 01:22:37,400
He was very Charming.
He flashed her some cash and she

1333
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:40,100
thought they were going to have
a mutual beneficial evening,

1334
01:22:40,900 --> 01:22:44,000
that is until they got to the
hotel and he put a belt around

1335
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:47,300
her neck and began punching her
in the back and kidneys and

1336
01:22:47,300 --> 01:22:49,000
beating the absolute crap out of
her.

1337
01:22:49,700 --> 01:22:51,600
Despite the fact that he wasn't
the biggest guy.

1338
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:54,500
He did a number on this woman
and then after the fact, he

1339
01:22:54,500 --> 01:22:57,700
sexually assaulted her and left,
her bloody and bruised on the

1340
01:22:57,700 --> 01:23:01,500
floor of the motel, he later
tells the police, this was

1341
01:23:01,500 --> 01:23:05,800
entirely consensual And he was
right.

1342
01:23:06,300 --> 01:23:09,100
The police do throughout the
complaint and they release him

1343
01:23:09,100 --> 01:23:13,500
from prison after.
He had been there for two weeks.

1344
01:23:14,500 --> 01:23:17,000
Now, the entire time, he's in
there.

1345
01:23:19,100 --> 01:23:21,600
He is just thinking about
killing this woman.

1346
01:23:22,100 --> 01:23:26,400
How dare?
She turned me in.

1347
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:31,600
She got me in trouble.
She almost messed up my life,

1348
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:34,600
dude.
Yes.

1349
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:37,400
All you.
In fact he doesn't even go home.

1350
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:40,400
The Joan first, he goes to the
streets and start talking to

1351
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:42,600
everybody.
He knows Drug World.

1352
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:46,200
Prostitution world trying to
track her down and nobody knows

1353
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:47,700
where she is.
She disappeared.

1354
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:56,300
Thankfully, So he goes to Joan
and he tells her a sort of

1355
01:23:56,300 --> 01:23:58,100
sanitized version of what
happened.

1356
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:01,700
That's woman, blamed him for
something he didn't do and

1357
01:24:01,700 --> 01:24:04,400
that's why he was in prison and
normally Joan would have been

1358
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:10,000
pissed, but Joan thought she had
been an early menopause and

1359
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,600
found out while he was gone that
she was pregnant.

1360
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:16,100
So as soon as he walks in the
door, this is everyone's swept

1361
01:24:16,100 --> 01:24:19,400
up in the news, we're going to
have a baby and he doesn't even

1362
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:25,100
have to explain in depth.
Where he was that you start

1363
01:24:25,100 --> 01:24:28,500
looking for a new home, they can
have room for this baby, they're

1364
01:24:28,500 --> 01:24:31,600
talking about marriage,
something that they'll either of

1365
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:34,000
them had really wanted, but now
they're like screw it.

1366
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:41,700
Let's do it and they set the
date for May of 1981. and that's

1367
01:24:41,700 --> 01:24:48,700
actually where I'm going to stop
because things, take a Very dark

1368
01:24:48,700 --> 01:24:53,900
turn from this point forward.
This was the funnier part of his

1369
01:24:53,900 --> 01:25:00,800
life with a lot of weirdness,
but he began the majority of his

1370
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:03,600
crimes, take place between 1980
and 1981.

1371
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:10,600
Which means the Year we're about
to discuss is pretty extensive

1372
01:25:10,900 --> 01:25:15,000
and I wanted to give the victims
the attention they deserve and

1373
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:17,000
not just gloss over who he
killed.

1374
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:20,400
So next week is where we're
going to discuss the more deadly

1375
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:25,200
things and the actual rather
ridiculous resolution to all of

1376
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:29,900
this Okay.
Canada did a thing that made a

1377
01:25:29,907 --> 01:25:32,300
lot of people angry and regard
to Clifford Olson.

1378
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:35,500
And we're going to kind of
explore how that happened.

1379
01:25:35,700 --> 01:25:42,900
I think Canada has done a couple
of things with serial killers

1380
01:25:42,900 --> 01:25:45,200
that have made a lot of people
upset as well.

1381
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:52,500
Like, this isn't like the first
to give you, is that Involved

1382
01:25:52,500 --> 01:26:01,600
paying a serial killer to tell
you where the bodies were come.

1383
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:04,000
What?
What we'll learn about it next

1384
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:06,400
week.
Time to move on oh my god of

1385
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:10,800
already mad at new and that's
why I was like we have to get

1386
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:14,100
into how that happened because
that's a big part of the story

1387
01:26:14,100 --> 01:26:16,800
and it's real wild.
Oh my God.

1388
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:21,600
What do you have for us today?
Brian.

1389
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:25,100
Okay.
Well, moving on, I guess.

1390
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:36,000
Okay, so today's tale comes to
me from well means where's is a

1391
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:40,100
TV show but it came to me from
my son.

1392
01:26:41,100 --> 01:26:42,400
Okay.
Oh, interesting.

1393
01:26:42,700 --> 01:26:48,300
Yeah, so Jaden has been watching
some shows on his tablet.

1394
01:26:48,500 --> 01:26:50,600
Hmm.
Liquor cartoons.

1395
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:56,600
Not like anything bad and, you
know, he trans he not only does

1396
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:59,200
he watchin on his tablet, he
watches on the TV as well.

1397
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:02,700
And I'm just sick, I'm sitting
here watching this show with him

1398
01:27:02,700 --> 01:27:06,900
one day and was like, yo, this
show is really good because it

1399
01:27:06,900 --> 01:27:10,000
has like a lot of Miss A logical
stuff in it.

1400
01:27:10,008 --> 01:27:15,600
Like a lot of like Legends like
yeah, I'm just like this, this

1401
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:17,600
is a cool show.
What's this show called?

1402
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:21,500
And it's, I don't know if you
heard this before, but it's

1403
01:27:21,500 --> 01:27:24,800
called Victor and Valentino and
it's on Cartoon Network.

1404
01:27:24,900 --> 01:27:27,000
Well, I think it was on carts,
and I'm not sure if it's still

1405
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:31,300
on Cartoon Network or not.
And Victor and Valentino.

1406
01:27:31,500 --> 01:27:35,700
It's basically done.
Give you like the little short

1407
01:27:35,700 --> 01:27:40,000
synopsis that I got on ID.
I am whatever.

1408
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:41,800
I am.
I am DV.

1409
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:43,300
There you go.
Imdb.

1410
01:27:43,700 --> 01:27:48,700
Oh I know but I am too because I
have an IMDb page.

1411
01:27:48,700 --> 01:27:53,900
Yeah, you do.
But okay, so this is the series

1412
01:27:53,900 --> 01:27:56,000
follows two brothers.
They're actually I think they're

1413
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:58,800
two half-brothers, but I'm not
sure that they're two brothers

1414
01:27:59,100 --> 01:28:02,000
and they're very opposite from
each other.

1415
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:05,800
And they spend the summer with
their grandma in a small town

1416
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:11,400
called Monte Macabre, okay?
And it's a small mysterious

1417
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:13,000
town.
Do they actually said, call it

1418
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:16,900
Macabre, or they call it McCobb.
I think it's like a bright

1419
01:28:16,900 --> 01:28:19,400
because I'm like, if it's a kid,
the kid might say it wrong.

1420
01:28:22,700 --> 01:28:27,600
And it's a small mysterious town
where Miss in legends of Latin

1421
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:33,900
America, folklore, come to life.
And I'm like, oh, so I get to

1422
01:28:33,900 --> 01:28:36,800
let you get the watch the
freaking cartoon about like,

1423
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:39,500
Latin American myths and stuff
like that.

1424
01:28:39,500 --> 01:28:42,500
That's awesome.
It's definitely don't cover La

1425
01:28:42,500 --> 01:28:44,600
Llorona though, because that
would be terrifying for

1426
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:47,600
children.
Look here.

1427
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:50,900
They do.
They cover some free stuff too?

1428
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:55,800
Yeah, there is also concern and
one, the one episode I was

1429
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:59,000
watching.
So they try to make this corn

1430
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:01,400
maze, right?
And they try to make a haunted

1431
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:03,700
corn maze but it's not scary, of
course.

1432
01:29:03,700 --> 01:29:08,900
So there one creepy friend,
she's like, hey, I know this guy

1433
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:13,100
who make this corner, he's extra
scary for you for everybody and

1434
01:29:13,100 --> 01:29:17,800
so they go and find this guy.
He's a skeleton type of guy, he

1435
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:24,800
wears like this big old like I
don't know, like a wheat hat and

1436
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:34,800
he's scarecrow sort of, and he
basically is a bonus dealer, he

1437
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:39,200
steals clothes, and they showed
us in the episode of him

1438
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:41,900
stealing, everybody's Bloom.
Absolutely.

1439
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:51,000
So this is who I am talking
about today and his name.

1440
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:58,400
Stealer is actually the whistle
man, but it's is, his name is

1441
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:05,100
actually else upon whistling,
man, and cool.

1442
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:08,700
Yeah, yeah, I loved it, and I
was like, I gotta talk about, I

1443
01:30:08,708 --> 01:30:14,300
got it, talk about this.
So this comes with a creepypasta

1444
01:30:14,300 --> 01:30:18,400
story attached to it, so I'm
going to do that first and then

1445
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:23,700
we'll go more into A creepypasta
that's about is this like

1446
01:30:24,100 --> 01:30:31,500
Slenderman, but Latin America.
They come up with Slender Man.

1447
01:30:31,500 --> 01:30:35,200
First, this is a hotel, so I'm
going to say, yes.

1448
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:38,800
Hmm.
All right, so I'm gonna start

1449
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:43,800
with the Creepypasta, Elsa bone,
the man who whistles, that's

1450
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:46,100
actually what it means.
Okay, I like it.

1451
01:30:47,100 --> 01:30:50,000
When I was a little kid, my
mother would tell me about Elsa

1452
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:53,200
Bond or the man who whistles in
English.

1453
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:56,200
The legend of else upon varies
from person to person.

1454
01:30:56,700 --> 01:30:59,900
But this is the version I grew
up with and personally Lee the

1455
01:30:59,900 --> 01:31:04,600
one I find most frightening.
So there was once a boy who

1456
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:08,300
lived happily with his mother
and father, and grandfather and

1457
01:31:08,300 --> 01:31:16,300
lows, I know it's gonna stumble
this llanos.

1458
01:31:16,700 --> 01:31:20,400
I'm going to say that a region
in Venezuela who else is too

1459
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:21,100
loud.
Hells.

1460
01:31:21,100 --> 01:31:25,000
Yeah.
Janos giannios most of the Y

1461
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:32,000
sound, just like Jay and a why?
Somebody correct me please.

1462
01:31:33,900 --> 01:31:37,400
Anyway it's a region in Venice.
Yeah, Janos.

1463
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:39,400
Yeah.
That sounds good actually won in

1464
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:41,800
both Colombia and Venezuela.
That's confusing.

1465
01:31:42,100 --> 01:31:46,400
Well, I guess the same place
this tail actually takes place.

1466
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:52,100
Like the the Elsa Bond.
His Legend takes place in

1467
01:31:52,100 --> 01:31:55,100
Venezuela and Colombia, so I'm
going to say yes, maybe.

1468
01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:59,900
Yeah, I'm okay, this is it vast
tropical grassland plane to the

1469
01:31:59,900 --> 01:32:02,700
east of the Andes.
It's in both, Colombia and

1470
01:32:02,700 --> 01:32:06,300
Venezuela, I guess it crosses
the country line.

1471
01:32:07,900 --> 01:32:09,600
Interesting.
I love him so much today.

1472
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:14,100
They live the simple life of
farming.

1473
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:18,900
However, the boy is a parents
raised was it looked very

1474
01:32:19,100 --> 01:32:23,400
spoiled.
He would not eat certain foods

1475
01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:25,500
and would cry out until his
parents pleased him.

1476
01:32:25,900 --> 01:32:29,200
One day, the boy asked his
father to hunt deer for them to

1477
01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:32,100
eat as the deer was his
favorite.

1478
01:32:32,300 --> 01:32:35,700
The Falls are decided to please
his son and hunted deer for him

1479
01:32:35,700 --> 01:32:39,500
to eat.
Sadly, after hours of searching,

1480
01:32:39,700 --> 01:32:43,500
he failed to return with
anything ever.

1481
01:32:43,500 --> 01:32:46,600
So hungry upon, seeing that his
father had returned

1482
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:49,300
empty-handed.
He took his father's hunting

1483
01:32:49,300 --> 01:32:53,000
knife and killed him with it.
Oh my God.

1484
01:32:53,500 --> 01:32:56,600
At that moment.
The mother and the grandfather

1485
01:32:56,600 --> 01:33:00,200
rust outside, only to find a boy
standing over his boss.

1486
01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:04,300
His father's corpse as a mother
cried for her husband, the

1487
01:33:04,300 --> 01:33:06,500
grandfather took it upon
themselves to punish the boy.

1488
01:33:07,700 --> 01:33:13,000
First, he tied, the boy to a
tree and with a whip, he struck

1489
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:17,000
his back repeatedly until he
bled, then he would squeeze

1490
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:23,400
lemons on his back and finally
slaves.

1491
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:31,300
Yeah.
Finally, he gave him a sack

1492
01:33:31,500 --> 01:33:36,000
filled with his father's
remains, and cast him away into

1493
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:42,500
the planes, to carry them.
As he's has he as he was set, As

1494
01:33:42,500 --> 01:33:46,400
he as his grandfather, sent the
dogs after the child.

1495
01:33:48,700 --> 01:33:51,500
But before he ever all your
Dad's remains at the dog,

1496
01:33:51,500 --> 01:33:55,200
obviously, obviously didn't care
about him that much.

1497
01:33:56,700 --> 01:33:57,800
Right?
Yeah.

1498
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:02,500
But before he unleashed the
dogs, as the boy walked away his

1499
01:34:02,500 --> 01:34:05,800
grandfather, cursed him.
Wow.

1500
01:34:07,100 --> 01:34:08,500
Only I'm gonna try it.
I'm gonna do it.

1501
01:34:08,500 --> 01:34:11,800
I'm gonna do it.
Says Sol no se Le sale.

1502
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:23,900
A Ha say a su Padre.
Maldito is maldito is a towel La

1503
01:34:23,900 --> 01:34:26,600
Vida.
Probably could have found

1504
01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:28,800
somebody on YouTube and just
played that.

1505
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:30,700
Yeah, I know but I wanted to do
it.

1506
01:34:30,700 --> 01:34:35,800
Okay, okay gotta work on your
pronunciation sir I really do.

1507
01:34:35,900 --> 01:34:38,100
I really like the best for
Spanish either.

1508
01:34:38,100 --> 01:34:40,600
I've made some really bad
blenders when it comes to

1509
01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:44,100
Spanish and I Should know better
because I took years and years

1510
01:34:44,100 --> 01:34:48,800
of Spanish.
And it basically translates to

1511
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:52,400
you should not have done that to
your father, you will be damned

1512
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:57,200
for the rest of your life.
Is Grandfather, yellowed?

1513
01:34:57,200 --> 01:35:01,200
As he released his grip on the
ropes and freed the dogs.

1514
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:06,700
As the dogs chased him the boy
whistled and a very distinct

1515
01:35:06,700 --> 01:35:13,100
manner following the that's
traditional musical scale, do re

1516
01:35:13,100 --> 01:35:19,800
me fa so la ti bosola.
See do or c, d e, f g.

1517
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:22,300
A b c.
Wait.

1518
01:35:22,300 --> 01:35:26,300
It's so it was Spurs.
Do do do do do do do do like

1519
01:35:26,300 --> 01:35:27,600
really.
Yes works.

1520
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:30,200
Yeah that's the whispered.
That's not scary.

1521
01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:32,300
That's the whistle.
Yeah.

1522
01:35:32,300 --> 01:35:36,400
Well I mean, any sort of sounds
in the wilderness are

1523
01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:38,800
frightening to be fair.
Yeah, like if you hear a

1524
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:41,500
whistling in the woods like
that, I would be it would be

1525
01:35:41,500 --> 01:35:46,000
very odd to me as someone who
spent years in Porous to hear.

1526
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:50,500
Someone singing scales and
walking through the woods, I'm

1527
01:35:50,500 --> 01:36:00,200
like true, our choir member lost
This, he whistled until the dogs

1528
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:02,000
come often finally caught up to
him.

1529
01:36:02,900 --> 01:36:06,800
And so the boy was cursed left,
wandering the plains bringing

1530
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:10,200
death to anyone whom he may
happen to cross.

1531
01:36:10,900 --> 01:36:17,200
Unlike other urban legends of my
country Elsa bond does not

1532
01:36:17,200 --> 01:36:21,100
prefer.
Sue is like I cannot talk

1533
01:36:21,900 --> 01:36:26,600
specific brand of victims.
He is regarded as As an omen of

1534
01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:30,700
death, for anyone who wanders,
the planes at night, he would

1535
01:36:30,700 --> 01:36:35,500
follow his victims first from
afar until gradually catching up

1536
01:36:35,500 --> 01:36:39,400
to them.
He is tricky 4 for 4, at Firs.

1537
01:36:39,900 --> 01:36:44,300
You were here, his whistling
coming, very close prompting you

1538
01:36:44,300 --> 01:36:48,600
to run away and as you hear the
whistling Fading Into distance

1539
01:36:48,900 --> 01:36:53,600
you feel relief and you think
that means you're safe but in

1540
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:57,400
reality The first is our
whistle, the closer.

1541
01:36:57,400 --> 01:37:04,500
He is, he will have.
It's like, he's like goes who

1542
01:37:04,500 --> 01:37:06,300
cares.
Ha ha ha.

1543
01:37:08,900 --> 01:37:12,700
He will have an old farming hat.
He will be very skinny.

1544
01:37:13,200 --> 01:37:17,300
But what will set him apart is
that he will be carrying a large

1545
01:37:17,300 --> 01:37:25,200
sack, which clicks and Clacks,
as he walks some say that Side

1546
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:29,300
to side or the bones of his
latest victims, but more likely

1547
01:37:29,500 --> 01:37:31,200
they are the bones of his
father.

1548
01:37:31,700 --> 01:37:34,300
He is destined to carry them
forever.

1549
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:39,500
And that is the Creepypasta.
Love it.

1550
01:37:39,500 --> 01:37:42,100
Sino did he say, where he
learned that story from that

1551
01:37:42,100 --> 01:37:45,900
person?
Yeah, it was is a think it was.

1552
01:37:45,900 --> 01:37:48,800
His his mother.
His mother told us is like, why

1553
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:51,200
do our parents is this Catholic
thing?

1554
01:37:51,900 --> 01:37:55,700
They tell stories to scare the
shit out of us like and it's

1555
01:37:55,700 --> 01:37:58,700
always real terrible.
Hmm.

1556
01:37:59,300 --> 01:38:03,400
Like obviously I've talked about
my, my grandmother telling me

1557
01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:09,500
about the humanoid Creature in
the woods that pretends to look

1558
01:38:09,500 --> 01:38:14,400
like you and also sometimes
looks like animals and mimics

1559
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:17,900
people and so if you hear
somebody outside that sounds

1560
01:38:17,900 --> 01:38:20,900
like somebody you think it is
it's probably not them.

1561
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:24,400
Yeah.
Yeah.

1562
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:27,200
I'm like why do parent why are
y'all doing this to your

1563
01:38:27,200 --> 01:38:28,800
children?
This is terrible.

1564
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:38,100
Just because just because, but
yeah like like we mentioned

1565
01:38:38,100 --> 01:38:41,900
earlier that this does come from
like the Venezuelan and

1566
01:38:42,100 --> 01:38:45,900
Colombian folklore since there's
some that we're cool.

1567
01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:49,400
Yeah, it's like right on the
plains of Illustrated planes,

1568
01:38:50,700 --> 01:38:53,100
there are two other versions of
this story.

1569
01:38:54,200 --> 01:38:58,500
Oh yeah.
Like the first one that when I

1570
01:38:58,500 --> 01:39:00,300
told you it was like one of the
first versions.

1571
01:39:00,300 --> 01:39:06,500
And then the second one is that,
I mean, it has the same thing as

1572
01:39:06,500 --> 01:39:09,400
a boy, I wanted to eat something
in his dad.

1573
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:13,200
You know came back empty-handed
hunting and then the kid got

1574
01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:19,500
angry and killed his dad but he
killed his dad.

1575
01:39:19,500 --> 01:39:21,600
And then he brought no one like
his parents.

1576
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:23,900
His mother in the grandfather,
didn't see this.

1577
01:39:24,100 --> 01:39:31,700
So he just brought his dad's.
Oregon's to be cooked and later

1578
01:39:31,700 --> 01:39:35,100
on his mom found out, that it
wasn't an animal and that's when

1579
01:39:35,100 --> 01:39:36,800
the grandfather tied him to a
tree.

1580
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:42,500
And the rest of the story is
basically the same and the third

1581
01:39:42,500 --> 01:39:55,700
one Okay, so the boy can read
it.

1582
01:39:55,700 --> 01:39:58,700
The boy becoming before,
becoming to whistle man was a

1583
01:39:58,700 --> 01:40:02,300
temperamental, young boy who had
everything he wanted.

1584
01:40:02,300 --> 01:40:06,700
And one day, he went hunting in
the plains with his father.

1585
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:11,400
Well, they were walking a
Tristan Twisted tree stepped in

1586
01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:14,300
their way.
The boy asked his father to

1587
01:40:14,300 --> 01:40:16,500
straighten it out, but the
father It.

1588
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:20,300
No, it's just a twisted tree,
never straightens.

1589
01:40:20,300 --> 01:40:25,200
You know that after that the boy
told his father, if you always

1590
01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:27,700
knew it, why did you let me grow
that?

1591
01:40:27,800 --> 01:40:29,900
The way I am like a twisted
tree.

1592
01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:34,700
Now, I will never be able to
change the way I am and it's

1593
01:40:34,700 --> 01:40:36,800
your fault.
Okay.

1594
01:40:37,800 --> 01:40:40,700
Then the boy killed his father
brought back.

1595
01:40:41,300 --> 01:40:46,800
You know, his father's stuff and
gave it to his mother to cook.

1596
01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:52,800
My mother found out is that it
was an animal.

1597
01:40:54,500 --> 01:40:57,800
So she talked her father-in-law
and, you know, that story's the

1598
01:40:57,800 --> 01:41:00,700
same as okay, I know.
Alright.

1599
01:41:00,700 --> 01:41:03,100
And that's how it ends,
everything, everything ends, the

1600
01:41:03,108 --> 01:41:05,500
same with their grandfather or
tie them up to a tree and

1601
01:41:05,500 --> 01:41:07,300
whipped his back.
And he has to carry a sack of

1602
01:41:07,300 --> 01:41:11,800
his father's remains.
Okay.

1603
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:18,800
So the legend says that he
became a Dream Eater told It was

1604
01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:23,800
long legs who is seen during dry
season at the top of the trees

1605
01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:31,300
playing with dust and it during
the raining season seasons.

1606
01:41:34,300 --> 01:41:37,800
Like, around the months of May
at any time anywhere roaming,

1607
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:43,200
he's seen roaming with a thirst
for vengeance, hunting drunk.

1608
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:45,900
Like his main victims are drunk
men.

1609
01:41:48,100 --> 01:41:54,400
He hits, he hits them with a
stick until he kills them sucks.

1610
01:41:54,400 --> 01:41:59,300
Her belly button sucks, on your
belly button to extract the

1611
01:41:59,300 --> 01:42:03,900
alcohol from their bodies and
then he eats the rest of them.

1612
01:42:04,300 --> 01:42:09,300
Leaving like just bones left and
then all while he's whistling

1613
01:42:09,300 --> 01:42:14,500
his scales.
He does it, he does it ascending

1614
01:42:14,500 --> 01:42:18,200
and he does a descending.
So he uses here to the scales

1615
01:42:18,200 --> 01:42:27,400
going up and down.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is so

1616
01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:32,200
weird.
I'm sorry, it's so weird.

1617
01:42:32,500 --> 01:42:35,700
I can't get past the fact that
it's just so weird.

1618
01:42:38,100 --> 01:42:40,800
Oh goodness.
But yeah.

1619
01:42:41,100 --> 01:42:44,200
Is so if you hear the whistling
and is close by that means he's

1620
01:42:44,200 --> 01:42:47,100
far away.
But if you hear far away, that

1621
01:42:47,100 --> 01:42:50,700
means he's really close to you
and you should fucking run.

1622
01:42:52,200 --> 01:42:54,800
Yeah, I don't know how you move
in that situation again.

1623
01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:57,300
Like you're screwed and you
should just like, sit down and

1624
01:42:57,300 --> 01:43:00,100
cry, sit down, just wait for it
to get far away.

1625
01:43:00,100 --> 01:43:04,800
So he he gets to you.
It's about right?

1626
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:11,100
It's a feels, yeah.
So a Venezuelan poet and writer.

1627
01:43:11,900 --> 01:43:14,400
His name is got these names.
I'm sorry.

1628
01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:28,900
His name is Tomas. 0 Del gado
gado, gado gado and he was the

1629
01:43:28,900 --> 01:43:34,300
first one to write the story of
the whistle man and he wrote his

1630
01:43:34,300 --> 01:43:40,000
back in 1966 and he I guess he,
yeah, I guess he recorded it in

1631
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:44,000
1967 and the record if
broadcasted all over the country

1632
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:47,200
on the radio.
Yeah.

1633
01:43:47,500 --> 01:43:50,900
So, and this was in Venezuela.
Where is where it's like, the

1634
01:43:50,900 --> 01:43:57,500
legend became famous.
He the muscle.

1635
01:43:57,800 --> 01:44:02,200
He's like, no, I've heard this.
This guy before, I've heard

1636
01:44:02,200 --> 01:44:08,600
someone like whistling and die.
Yes.

1637
01:44:08,700 --> 01:44:12,800
You know why?
There's there's one weakness of

1638
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:20,700
else upon and that is the sound
of dogs barking with that.

1639
01:44:24,100 --> 01:44:27,900
If he if he because you know
since that was like his demise

1640
01:44:27,900 --> 01:44:30,800
was having the dogs chase after
him.

1641
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:36,100
Yeah, he's scared of dogs,
especially dogs barking at him.

1642
01:44:36,300 --> 01:44:37,500
Okay.
Okay, I like that.

1643
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:41,900
So, the ma.
So he's like, this is how I

1644
01:44:41,907 --> 01:44:46,300
survived because there were dogs
around a soccer ball barking and

1645
01:44:46,300 --> 01:44:49,200
he just, you know, I was a bond
ran away.

1646
01:44:50,500 --> 01:44:54,000
These count, I don't know,
because they do like a little

1647
01:44:54,000 --> 01:45:00,100
yet bark.
I don't know.

1648
01:45:01,500 --> 01:45:03,800
But she's trying to survive
here.

1649
01:45:04,100 --> 01:45:09,200
Yeah.
So this is, I'm going to give

1650
01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:14,300
you like, the little poem that
he wrote says, one fateful night

1651
01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:18,200
in and develops with Venezuelan
planes and enraged.

1652
01:45:18,200 --> 01:45:22,700
Father, at least a true tragedy.
Father, I've told you not to

1653
01:45:22,700 --> 01:45:27,300
bring that whore into the family
is a different tale already.

1654
01:45:27,500 --> 01:45:29,500
This is a different tale
already.

1655
01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:42,100
Whoa. oh, Okay.
Talking.

1656
01:45:42,100 --> 01:45:45,000
Is this Grandpa?
I'm pretty sure is Grandpa

1657
01:45:45,400 --> 01:45:47,800
Grandpa.
It's not her fault that they

1658
01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:51,000
gave birth to a devil.
Child, you're right.

1659
01:45:51,100 --> 01:45:54,800
It's your genes to and obviously
since you can curse people, you

1660
01:45:54,800 --> 01:46:00,300
got the abilities in the family.
This is true like father like

1661
01:46:00,300 --> 01:46:03,300
son, the young man couldn't
change contain his rage.

1662
01:46:03,700 --> 01:46:11,400
And so he hid his father A bit
of his own medicine when the

1663
01:46:11,400 --> 01:46:13,500
boy's grandfather found out what
happened.

1664
01:46:13,500 --> 01:46:15,400
Oh no.
So it was the dad, apparently,

1665
01:46:15,400 --> 01:46:17,700
this is a different story.
He brought somebody home, who he

1666
01:46:17,700 --> 01:46:21,200
wasn't supposed to decayed did
and then the father got upset,

1667
01:46:22,500 --> 01:46:28,800
and then the young man killed.
His dad and his grandfather

1668
01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:31,600
found out what happened.
He punished him.

1669
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:35,500
Like, people used to used to
punish he cursed him to wander.

1670
01:46:35,700 --> 01:46:39,800
Without rest for all eternity
and handed him over to the dogs

1671
01:46:39,800 --> 01:46:43,200
so they could finish him off.
The story does not end there,

1672
01:46:43,400 --> 01:46:48,700
the boy revived and he continued
to wander the sabana carrying

1673
01:46:48,900 --> 01:46:53,800
his father's remains in the bag,
murdering women izing went,

1674
01:46:53,900 --> 01:46:58,000
women, Rising men, always
whistling his infernal, mentally

1675
01:46:58,100 --> 01:47:01,700
Melody.
When you hear it close by, he's

1676
01:47:01,700 --> 01:47:06,700
far away, and when you hear it
far away, It's close to this

1677
01:47:06,700 --> 01:47:10,100
day, it continues to happen in
the Venezuelan Plains.

1678
01:47:11,800 --> 01:47:18,900
So yeah, he attacks drunk men
and women eyes others as well.

1679
01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:23,900
Womanizers.
Womanizers, interesting.

1680
01:47:24,100 --> 01:47:29,700
Yeah.
And like, that's basically it

1681
01:47:29,700 --> 01:47:37,100
was like and on a TV show.
He's a skinny skeleton guy,

1682
01:47:37,300 --> 01:47:41,200
right?
And he basically just Stills,

1683
01:47:41,200 --> 01:47:43,700
the bones like he was still your
bones.

1684
01:47:43,700 --> 01:47:48,200
All your bones he'll whistle and
like use magic to take all the

1685
01:47:48,208 --> 01:47:52,900
bones out of your body.
And just put them in his sack.

1686
01:47:55,500 --> 01:47:59,700
And like I guess he had like
some type of whistle contest at

1687
01:47:59,700 --> 01:48:01,900
the end you know, because it's a
kid show.

1688
01:48:01,900 --> 01:48:08,200
So at an episode we like make
this like whistle contest and

1689
01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:11,300
it's a win, all the bones back
from everybody.

1690
01:48:17,500 --> 01:48:20,700
But yeah, like this is what
happens, he takes bones of

1691
01:48:20,700 --> 01:48:24,500
womanizers and drunk people and
he just puts them in a sack.

1692
01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:26,800
Hmm.
And if you hear him whistling,

1693
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:29,200
don't be around to hear him
whistling anymore.

1694
01:48:30,700 --> 01:48:33,600
I don't know.
But yeah, I don't like this.

1695
01:48:34,100 --> 01:48:38,900
It was just a a he's a very
interesting person in.

1696
01:48:38,900 --> 01:48:44,200
Like, in this folklore, like, it
just caught my eyes and like I

1697
01:48:44,200 --> 01:48:48,400
can show you a picture.
Like if you all right, I will

1698
01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:54,800
show you a picture of the one
that the original, the original

1699
01:48:55,500 --> 01:49:00,100
artist did.
The original poet.

1700
01:49:00,100 --> 01:49:10,500
I should say and save & send and
Discord because yeah, That's

1701
01:49:10,500 --> 01:49:16,200
where I send all my creepy.
It's looking at our stream of

1702
01:49:16,300 --> 01:49:25,700
weird photos using weirdo.
Cryptids left and right weirdo.

1703
01:49:25,700 --> 01:49:28,800
Thick boys.
We're here.

1704
01:49:43,200 --> 01:49:44,500
The way things saved under you
go, okay.

1705
01:49:45,800 --> 01:49:48,900
To my computer.
There you go.

1706
01:49:49,300 --> 01:49:57,900
Look at this guy.
He's a skinny guy running around

1707
01:49:58,100 --> 01:50:04,000
with shorts on, hairy legs,
gaunt face.

1708
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:06,700
He has carrying a sack that you
can see bone sticking out of the

1709
01:50:06,708 --> 01:50:14,900
back.
Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1710
01:50:16,700 --> 01:50:18,600
All right.
All right.

1711
01:50:22,500 --> 01:50:25,500
Well that's that's who I got for
today.

1712
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:32,300
Hope you all enjoyed it.
That that was a time.

1713
01:50:32,600 --> 01:50:41,300
Yeah.
It's great to be back.

1714
01:50:43,100 --> 01:50:46,500
Yeah, and listen had so much fun
today in a strange way.

1715
01:50:46,500 --> 01:50:50,900
I know some people don't like
funny, True Crime podcast.

1716
01:50:50,900 --> 01:50:53,800
I try to temper the the
seriousness of a little bit of

1717
01:50:53,800 --> 01:50:56,200
humor here and there but thanks
so much for listening.

1718
01:50:56,200 --> 01:51:03,000
If you're still here I am
actually going to put the thick

1719
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:07,600
dudes back up on the limited
sale for people who are

1720
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:15,100
interested because So, the first
to both the a Squatch and

1721
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:21,400
Mothman are booty-ful Mothman
will be back on sale and their

1722
01:51:21,400 --> 01:51:24,100
stickers, and other fun things.
At one Killers.

1723
01:51:24,100 --> 01:51:28,400
Get caught dot shop, So that
hopefully by the Fall, we will

1724
01:51:28,400 --> 01:51:30,700
have a new thick did ready for
you all.

1725
01:51:31,300 --> 01:51:35,100
Oh, yes we will.
We'll have more believe me.

1726
01:51:37,400 --> 01:51:39,500
I've been getting questions.
Like, when are you going to

1727
01:51:39,500 --> 01:51:45,100
order another one?
Yes, believe me.

1728
01:51:45,100 --> 01:51:51,300
I got y'all nice.
I'll be ready next week with the

1729
01:51:51,300 --> 01:51:54,900
rest of the ridiculous story of
Clifford Olsen.

1730
01:51:55,100 --> 01:51:57,900
Yes.
The weekend.

1731
01:51:58,100 --> 01:51:58,700
See you.