The Bayou Strangler: Ronald Dominique & Another water cryptid

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Everyone is here.
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My name is Brittany.
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dives into the lives of killers.
We love to learn about each

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week.
Brian.

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And I will discuss two true
crime stories that resonated

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with us and I'll lead you down
the dark path of learning about

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who a killer was, how they grew
up, how they killed in most

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importantly, how they got
caught, then Brian slows things

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down and gives us a walkthrough.
The creepier side of life of a

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discussion of the Paranormal or
Cryptids.

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Just that's what does okay.
Well, this weekend True Crime,

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we have discovered the identity
of a serial killer this week

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whoo-hoo, it's been 30 years
since three women were robbed

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sexually assaulted and murdered
in motels, in Kentucky and

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Indiana.
And the police have finally

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identified.
The Killer They did a press

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conference this past Tuesday
with Indiana State Police, and

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they said that the killer's name
is Harry Edward Greenwell.

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He is currently deceased, but
that he was responsible for the

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deaths of Vicki.
Heath Margaret Peggy Hill and

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Gian Gilbert.
He died in 2013 at the age of

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68, but that he was also
responsible for the sexual

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assault of a fourth woman who
needed on actually manage to

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kill and they found him through.
What do you think, right.

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23andMe pretty much they're now
calling investigative genealogy.

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As I initially, they were able
to connect DNA of the killer to

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someone in a DNA, a genealogy
database and that's how they

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were to find it really there.
What they're doing now at this

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point is he has a pretty
extensive criminal record

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between 1963 and 1998 and so
Indiana.

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State police are looking to see
if he did anything else.

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Honestly, if they can connect
him to any other missing persons

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were there any other motels that
he might have stopped by and

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people went missing.
So, this isn't over.

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They just know the name, they
called him, the I-65 killer, and

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the thing is, I 65 runs from
Gary Indiana, all the way down

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to the Gulf of Mexico.
So we're talking of a hundreds

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of miles on the East Coast where
he could have stopped and killed

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people as well.
So there's No guarantee that.

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It just stops at these three
murders in one assault.

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God yeah.
You come here?

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Hoping they're hoping they can
close them, some cases and give

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people some closure and finding
out what happened to their loved

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ones.
They also called him the days in

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Keller because apparently he was
he like to stop at that Motel

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sometime.
God.

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No.
Not that easy.

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Yeah.
Are there any other state police

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weren't actually able to get
permission to use that database?

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The investigative genealogy
until 2019?

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So this is still really, really
new.

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That's they never had a suspect
or anyone before this, they just

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had rant.
Like they just had DNA that they

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could link to anybody.
Hmm.

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So I think we're just going to
keep happening.

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So yeah, it works you That's
going to say like this is like

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the they're if they're at a dead
end when they and they have the

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the elected DNA evidence and
stuff like that, and nothing

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that connected to this is like
the thing they go to.

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Now, like, we learned And with
the one case I think it was not

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just I'll call you with the Grim
sleeper you in order to get

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access to do that.
You have to have used every

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other form of policing, right
before they will allow you

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access to, what is millions of
people's DNA.

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And a lot of people feel, a lot
of ways about it.

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It's one of the reasons why I've
never actually done a DNA test.

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I would like to know what
percentage is what percentage.

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But also on the other hand, I'm
like, do I want to know?

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If somebody I'm related to is a
killer, Nah.

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Nah, that's okay.
Now I got to rethink that

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relationship.
Can you imagine what it was like

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when Dennis readers daughter
found out that her dad was the

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BTK killer?
I can't imagine.

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I'll want that on my heart.
That's okay.

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But what's your true crime case
this week Brian?

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Okay, so apparently the story
has been going around and I'm

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pretty sure if you guys have
been paying attention to True

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Crime News, you've heard this as
well.

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So there was an incident.
I guess we can only fans model

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where she allegedly stabbed her
boyfriend to death, in their

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apartment, Julie, Brian, I've
seen the photos on TMZ.

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Homegirl is covered head to toe
in blood.

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It is horrific.
One of my friends is in Miami

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and was literally like I've been
in Miami for two weeks because

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she's she's down there, looking
at like she has a business Then

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I guess she's trying to expand
and its potential.

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She might be able to run her
business down there.

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I'll miss her.
If she actually, they're one of

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our sponsors.
Oh, really the bakery?

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Yeah, she's going to Miami right
now.

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That your service meet Cafe.
Yep.

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I think I don't know if they're
going to be stimmy temporary or

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something.
But they've been down there for

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a while, but she definitely was
like she posted on Facebook.

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She's like, I watch a lot of
CSI.

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Miami before I came down here
and now I think there's

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definitely a murder that just
happened.

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I'm like, Bro.
So I'm like dang but yeah, like

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it.
Yeah, I saw the picture soon as

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like it's not alleged like you
did, it says a legend in this

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news article.
So it's somebody's blood.

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Is it somebody's blood?
Who knows?

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So influence.
Our her name is Courtney

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cleaning.
She's plenty, plenty in another

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name when she was Doing her
only.

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Yeah, it's a Courtney Taylor was
her other, her suited, for

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whatever, her stage name and
interesting.

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Question.
Why would you make your stage

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name?
So close to your real name?

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I don't know.
Like, I definitely change it.

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Well, thank first and last name.
Yep, absolutely.

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I don't know, my name.
My brain just said Isabella

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demise.
That's so not a good name but

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it's what?
Popped into my head.

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Go only fans looking up.
She's probably there already.

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Right.
Yeah, it's probably like I saw

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that somewhere on Twitter.
Oh my God.

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But yeah.
She's yeah.

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She's 25 years old and her her
boyfriend.

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His name was Christian.
I don't know.

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I don't know how to pronounce
his last name.

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I know he's African.
So he yeah, French last name.

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Yeah he does and he's 27 but
yeah the cops they responded to

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a 911 call around, you know,
5:00 on Sunday at you know, at

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their apartment.
And this is like pretty said, it

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mean Miami Florida.
And they say, they found her

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boyfriend.
He was stabbed once in the

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shoulder.
That's it.

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That's what it says.
It's.

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Where is that blood?
The way that it was like, posted

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all over social media over the
last couple days.

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It's like she stabbed him to
death.

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Like there were multiple
stabbings.

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You know what I mean?
Yeah, like 11 stabbed was Otto,

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dang.
Yeah.

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It must have been like a really
deep wound or somewhere like

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that.
Lets you do the artery right?

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Yeah.
Arm, exactly.

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That's one thing for there to be
that kind of a spray that it's

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all over her face.
Chase chest and legs.

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That's a no that's an arterial
spray.

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Yeah.
Yeah that's that's why all that

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blood.
Yep.

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That's rather but come from
that's the only way if it was

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only One time.
Wow.

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See the way the media was
portraying.

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It was that she like went full
like Jason Voorhees.

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But yeah, he died at the
hospital.

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Actually, he didn't even die.
There.

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He was still alive.
Yeah, he he died at the

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hospital.
Like I said, the first thing

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that I saw was the TMZ pictures.
The somebody took from like

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their apartment building across
from her.

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The other apartment building.
Yeah, we can see, right clearly.

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She's like sitting on the ground
cuffed and there's blood on her

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face, her little too. be top her
sweat pants are soaked, like So,

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I assumed homeboy was dead dead
before the police even got

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there.
Yeah.

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Wow.
Yeah yeah it's wild how the

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media portrays things they got
me.

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Yeah, that's all I saw.
I didn't look at any other

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articles that's like oh look at
that.

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White girl killed a black man.
That's that's what drew me into

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it.
I was like God kid, here we go

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again but yeah, they said
there's the cops.

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Was that there was obviously
like a physical altercation

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before she's she he was stabbed.
So, So, like people people like

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her, who her friends AP said
that they've seen him hit her

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and stuff like that.
Like yeah, you know, if you girl

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getting just be, oh wait, no,
no, no, my bad.

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I read the wrong.
It says, we seen her hit him in

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that I've never seen.
Yeah, I've never seen him hit

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her, so obvious.
Asleep must have been something

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that she was doing.
Yeah.

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See this popped up on my
Facebook timeline because people

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pulled a lot of his really like
rude posts and Tweets.

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We're like like, you know, rest
in peace, he did die in.

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That is sad, but apparently, he
was one of those people who

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thought that, if he could net
himself a beautiful white woman

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that made him a better person
than everybody else.

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You know, and it's kind of
crappy to treat your partner to

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put them on a pedestal like that
it's not fair to the person

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who's being idolized but it's
also real crappy.

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When every opportunity you get
you trash talk every other group

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of women, right?
Yeah.

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So like he couldn't just be
like, wow, I really love my

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girlfriend.
It would be like I can't stand

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black girls, blah, blah, blah,
blah blah.

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And I'm like, dude, nobody asked
you like the such a, it's such a

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weird thing.
And a lot of people Like a lot

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of do do this online and I'm
just like love who you love.

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You ain't got a tear everybody
else down, right?

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Like and I gotta I gotta be
watching you.

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I was like that too.
And so one of my friends was

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like, you know, when you say
things like real women have

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curves, it kind of makes me feel
sad.

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And I was like, oh dang, I
thought this was just you know,

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like the fat girl, you know,
acceptance Rockall not thinking

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that like you know, all women
are real women, doesn't matter

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what you look like, you know,
This is true, my best friends.

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And so I adjusted the way that I
speak about certain things, like

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I like, what I like, and I will
say that I, like the things that

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I like, but I'll need to talk
about things.

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I don't like, but regardless.
So, that's how he popped up on

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my timeline.
And then when I looked him up, I

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saw the TMZ article but like so,
where is home girl?

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Right now, I'm guessing some
police station, or at least she

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got booked and bail or
something.

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Okay, so here's the story.
Birdie so miss Courtney, you

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know, she was the team Are
police station, you know, after,

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you know, she was after the
stabbing and, you know, they

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found her and stuff like that
after a while.

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You know, she started saying
that, you know, she's sort of

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saying, you know, IMA kill
myself.

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I'm gonna I'm gonna live myself
stuff like that.

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Well, it's okay, we're not on
Tick-Tock, you can actually

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hear.
It's just on other platforms, we

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have to come up with creative
ways to say killed yourself,

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right?
Right.

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Anti bullying.
And Apparently in Florida, there

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is an act that protects people.
I don't, I don't say, you forget

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me.
It protects people obviously

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like okay and it's called The
Baker Act.

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Okay?
Well and it allows law

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enforcement as well as doctors
mental health professionals and

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judges to commit a person to a
mental health treatment center

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for up to 72 hours.
If it's hurting violent or

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Suicidal Tendencies.
These are displayed.

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Okay so she's on a she's on what
you call it I guess.

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Suicide watch mandatory hold.
Yeah, there you go.

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Okay and this happened a couple
okay but this was last Friday.

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So it's been a week. 72 hours is
less than a week where she now

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Brian.
It's I think she's still at the

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end.
She's still at the mental

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institution.
Oh, come on.

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He's still there.
She's dead.

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Okay.
She was just, she probably does

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need mental health care.
She just stabbed a man but like

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Um, okay so she's not he hasn't
been arraigned.

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No.
So she was detained on April

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3rd.
It did.

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Oh wait.
Okay.

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So this actually was it last
week?

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This was today's the day.
Yeah.

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Okay.
So it's been five days since

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this happened.
Yeah.

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But so she's you know it's still
holding on to her.

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Yeah, it's funny because it says
that her content was still

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upload it on the fourth after
she was a team.

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I mean, you can schedule post to
be update.

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Yeah, yeah yeah yeah, yeah, it's
a thing that can happen.

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Like so at the moment she's a
Not face any charges for her

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boyfriend's.
Death at all or his murder.

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Okay.
I mean, okay and like is that's

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the thing that when I saw his I
was like, what the fuck you

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talking about it?
She like obviously killed him.

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Why is Sheena might get charges
once she gets out of the suicide

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watch.
Yeah, it just it just like when

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I saw it, I was like Here we go
again.

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That's wild and listen like I
know that the majority of our

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listeners are women and I'm sure
a lot of you are white women.

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So obviously, I'm not talking
about you.

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But historically relationships
with white women and black men

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have not always been the best
know.

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I remember this is a personal
story for me.

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Because I remember like when I
was younger or I don't know,

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start starting to date and you
know, and you know, tell him I

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like him.
Okay.

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Yeah.
Okay.

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Took it.
Yeah.

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Oh no.
How would you define that time

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of your life?
I was it was it was like my

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first girlfriend, my first
actual girlfriend, and I was

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just like, I'm not in love
Bubble, blah, own protector of

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those know, you guys don't know
what you're talking about.

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She was like, cheating on you
and stuff.

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Yeah, I just personally like
It's like one of those things I

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was watching a Lovecraft country
last year and it occurred to me,

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just this pop into my head.
While I was watching the show,

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the people who make our laws
right now and grew up during Jim

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Crow.
And makes me feel very

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uncomfortable and make that
their formative years were when

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it was okay to Lynch somebody.
So I think I won't feel like it

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feels weird to be like, maybe
I'll feel better when the

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boomers are gone.
People like, I don't know, but

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like like, we're still connected
to all these times.

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Historically, were terrible
things happen to black people

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and so I still feel that caution
and obviously some people don't

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Well, like we still live in a
world where, you know, if you're

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cute and blond you can get away
with murder so far.

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I hope she does it.
I hope that after they release

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her she does face the
consequences of her actions

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because him choosing to be in a
abusive relationship.

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Should not have been the end of
his life, right?

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Absolutely.
He should have had the

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opportunity to get out and get
help and heard you the same.

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And, you know, ultimately, when
these things happen, everybody

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involved, the one person's Dead.
The other person goes to jail

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and nothing gets better.
And it's sad because he was just

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like, I guess a week away from
turning 28.

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So it's just life, cut short.
Yeah.

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And the other thing is that this
does highlight like you know I

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make some some silly jokes but
this does highlight another

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situation where her friends said
she hits him so he was in a

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position.
He's in a situation where There

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was no good ending other than
him, just walking away.

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Because if he hits her back he's
going to prison as a black man

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who had a white woman.
He does nothing, he ends up

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dying like the only the only
solution here was for him to do

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the hardest thing to do when
you're being abused which is a

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wave.
The person you love.

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Yeah.
You know, I can't be too

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judgmental there because I went
through it myself.

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So did you
But today's case is one, that

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despite the death toll there,
just wasn't a whole lot of

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information about it.
This guy began killing in 1997

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and he wasn't called, until you
were a senior in high school

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Brian.
Oh my God.

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Yeah, that this happened very
much a during our life.

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Wait, when you were 2006 right?
Yeah, that's when I graduated.

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Yep.
He was an outcast, a misfit.

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But he also went under the radar
for about nine years.

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If I say the name, Ronald
Dominique.

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Does that mean anything to you?
Really, that's okay.

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His other name was the Bay, you
the Bayou Strangler.

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It's been a little over a year
since I discuss any killers from

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Louisiana and I got to be really
honest.

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I need a break from the very
confusing criss-crossing,

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killers of California.
The last three cases

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inadvertently.
Like there were just crisscross

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over and cases on happening.
Concurrently just Count,

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covering California, Killers is
stressful.

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So today we're going to talk
about a guy that no one really

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expected much from.
Well Louisiana obviously got a

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little bit more than they
bargained.

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For Ronald Joseph, Dominique was
born, January 9th 1964, had a

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very small town in Louisiana
called Thibodeau.

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He was one of six children
Thibodeau is a really small town

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than and even now it only has
15,000 people who live there

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today.
Ronald grew.

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Like he was born right on the
cusp of change in the entire

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country.
But he was a poor white kid from

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a poor, white family, in a
trailer park and a poverty

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stricken town.
So, hmm.

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Change change, what's happened
in other places?

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Now, his immediate childhood
wasn't traumatic, there's

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absolutely nothing that pops up
in any of the history books.

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But sometime during Elementary
School to rumors, began to

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circulate and both of them were
pretty terrible.

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The first one was that there was
incest going on in the Dominique

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household and that Ronald had
walked in on his mother and one

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of his brothers.
The other was that Ronald told

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his parents that a priest,
molested him and his parents

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didn't believe him.
And of course we all learned

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decades later, but across the
country, the Catholic church had

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conspired.
You're too high pedophilia when

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it was in its ranks, right?
So it's plausible that this did

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happen to him when he was small.
And if you're wondering why I

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haven't mentioned a lots of his
brothers or sisters or even his

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mother and father by name, I
have no less than 10 resources

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for this week, and they don't
mention his family's names

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really, which lets me know that
these people don't want to be

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known, huh?
Occasionally, a name of a sister

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or a brother pops up later on in
the story.

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But like, apparently people did
not want to be known as being

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connected to this man.
Now, the incest rumors and the

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molestation are huge part of his
childhood in pre-adolescence,

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and they definitely have Bay are
probably the first time he was

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introduced to the concepts of
sex and sexual deviancy, which

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didn't help him grow up better.
And he walked his way into

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adolescence feeling inadequate
and I can adequate and

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struggling with his appearance
and the beginning feelings of

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homosexuality, He was a weird
kid and there was an air of

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absurdity about him.
Like when you talk to Ronald, he

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was always putting on a little
show for anyone watching.

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This was him trying to like
Trying to find a way to kind of

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mitigate the bullying make
people laugh.

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Using the Glee Club he sang in
choir.

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And that behavior was enough for
his peers to label him as gay.

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What really, uh-huh.
What I was supposed to be the

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Glee Club when I was nice.
Okay, okay.

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He never did anyone openly and
he was actively hiding any

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homosexuality from his peers but
it did not matter. he did the

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painful process of masking
hilly, really was to appear in

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normal and the other Factor was
that even without people calling

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him gay, he was also overweight
and he didn't exactly, Look

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good.
He had meddling grades and he

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graduated from Thibodaux High
School in 1983.

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Now, he kind of played with the
concept of college for a bit and

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running and rolls and nickel
State University and Thibodeau.

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For computer science.
Ronald did not focus on school

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at all.
He was enchanted by the openly

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gay population of students and
all the different organizations

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he could join.
It was okay to be out at school.

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Well, not quite the gay
community in Louisiana wasn't

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its egg form, very small and a
very specific type of person

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that they was allowed to be out
and proud.

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And I'll just be blunt.
There's a word that I want to

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use here that I know gay folks
have reclaimed, but I'll know if

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it's a my word to reclaim since
I'm not a queer man.

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So I'm going to just say that
these are very hot young studs

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who are skinny And people who
are gay, will know the word that

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I mean, okay.
And other people just know that

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these the kind of guys who talk
about their thin, they're like

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fit their law on the shorter
side and definitely hot since

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the people who were allowed who
know who were it were more out,

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we're definitely not the chubby
awkward singers.

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So Ronald did not find his
tribe.

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And in fact, he was very
off-putting to many of the folks

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in the community who met him.
Like during his first year at

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school, they had like a Pride
Celebration and he like did a

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Patti LaBelle impression and
everybody was like this is

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weird.
He was he was doing like

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cross-dressing try to do drag at
the local gay clubs and nobody

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who promised it at all.
He actually stopped hanging out

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with the gay kids and stopped
hanging out with anybody.

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You got it assessed with like
making crank calls from his

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house.
And on June 12th 1985 he was

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charged with telephone
harassment.

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It was a seventy five dollar,
fine, and he was warned to stop

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calling people and being creepy
and sexual on the phone.

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Who know?
That's not a prank call.

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The he know.
That's why I said it was

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telephone harassment.
He was calling people and being

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nasty.
Oh my God.

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Now, back in the trailer park,
though, he was beloved by his

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neighbor's, he crafted this
public Persona of being the

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super nice guy, he volunteered
with the elderly help, anybody,

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who asks he never really found
his footing, though.

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He worked odd jobs.
Obviously lives in a double-wide

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with his mom and sister until he
could afford his own and pretty

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much all of his adult life was
like this.

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Now Ronald did do drugs and he
also sold drugs to make extra

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money that's actually the first
time.

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So the first time, he was
reported to the police in

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regards to sexual crimes was in
1993.

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A local Drifter went to the
police and said that Ronald

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raped him at gunpoint.
He said he met Ronald about two

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days before the attacks, they
discussed a we buy.

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He went around Taos and he said
that run was real antsy and kept

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saying, he want to show him
where his stash was.

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So he was like, just waiting
this room and then I'll tell

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you, I'm ready.
And so he was like, I'm ready

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and then like he walked into the
guy.

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So the guy walks in Reynolds
bathroom.

456
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,000
And there was a gun in his face,
he said that Ronald cuffed him

457
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,600
removed, his clothes and raped
him.

458
00:28:28,700 --> 00:28:31,100
Then he took off the handcuffs
and told the guy to get out of

459
00:28:31,108 --> 00:28:35,300
his house.
This would have seemed like an

460
00:28:35,300 --> 00:28:39,900
open-and-shut case, right?
But in 1993, the police and

461
00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:44,200
Thibodeaux had never had a case
of a rare, a man raping another

462
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:49,300
man, and this is went in his 70s
still, right?

463
00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:51,900
Well, no.
Now we're in 1993, all 93.

464
00:28:51,900 --> 00:28:54,700
Okay, so, I mean, even still
like the police.

465
00:28:54,700 --> 00:28:58,100
They're just little bigger in
93, but everything's not San

466
00:28:58,100 --> 00:28:59,400
Francisco.
Yeah.

467
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:04,200
So, unless a cops in the 90s or
whenever there's Just like a

468
00:29:04,208 --> 00:29:07,800
little.
Yeah, if you don't touching gay

469
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,900
scenes, a crime scene, they
didn't do anything.

470
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:20,500
Ronald fell back.
Things were really low-key.

471
00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:26,800
He just did, he went, he did odd
jobs and then He went home, he

472
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,800
drank a lot of alcohol.
The next time he gets in trouble

473
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:36,300
is May of 1984, he gets a DWI
again, only a fine.

474
00:29:39,300 --> 00:29:44,000
Now the next big moment and
Ronald will consider this to be

475
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,800
one of the most poignant of his
life.

476
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,600
But August 25th. 1996, a
half-naked young guy jumps out

477
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,900
of the window of the trailer and
runs to the neighbors and says

478
00:29:53,900 --> 00:29:55,900
that Ronald tried to rape and
kill him.

479
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,300
He said he'd been tied up held
at knifepoint and raped.

480
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,900
The police may not have been
well versed in dealing with male

481
00:30:02,900 --> 00:30:05,300
rape cases, but they sure knew
what to do with an attempted

482
00:30:05,300 --> 00:30:07,900
murder and he was arrested in
his bail, was set at 100

483
00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:11,600
thousand dollars, there you go.
I guess that that works that

484
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,100
works.
Now while awaiting trial, Ronald

485
00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:20,400
is left in gen pop and brutally
raped on a near constant basis

486
00:30:20,900 --> 00:30:24,300
in prison frequently having to
go to the infirmary from

487
00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:29,300
beatings, having his rectum
stitched from how bad the

488
00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:34,300
assaults were.
Ronald said after he was caught

489
00:30:34,300 --> 00:30:37,700
later on, that prison was when
he decided that he was never

490
00:30:37,700 --> 00:30:41,300
going back to jail and that he
was going to kill the next

491
00:30:41,300 --> 00:30:43,900
person.
He raped to make sure he didn't

492
00:30:43,900 --> 00:30:45,400
go back.
Wow.

493
00:30:48,300 --> 00:30:50,300
So that happened in May of 96
rate.

494
00:30:50,300 --> 00:30:54,900
So, by November of 96 he's just
getting raped like every day in

495
00:30:54,900 --> 00:30:59,000
prison and the prosecution is
trying to put together a case.

496
00:30:59,300 --> 00:31:02,500
And finally the judge is just
like you can't keep this man in

497
00:31:02,508 --> 00:31:06,300
prison indefinitely and the
prosecutor is just like we can't

498
00:31:06,300 --> 00:31:09,700
find the victim.
The kid was gone.

499
00:31:10,300 --> 00:31:12,600
They couldn't even prove his
identity based on the

500
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:17,800
information that he had told to
the police, the day that he told

501
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,100
them.
That Ronald had raped him.

502
00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:21,700
Well no victim.
There's no trialed.

503
00:31:22,100 --> 00:31:28,000
Ronald is released.
He left prison a better man with

504
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,600
severe resentment toward the
justice system.

505
00:31:31,500 --> 00:31:34,100
He said he'd been wrongly
accused and they had allowed him

506
00:31:34,100 --> 00:31:37,300
to be abused and prison based on
lies.

507
00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:41,900
And he began killing people,
nine months after his release.

508
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,300
David Mitchell was 19 years old
on July 13th. 1997, when he went

509
00:31:48,300 --> 00:31:51,100
missing, he was this really
vibrant.

510
00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:54,000
Happy guy.
Who was last seen at a family

511
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,700
birthday party when he didn't
make it to work the following

512
00:31:57,700 --> 00:32:00,500
Monday.
People were alarmed, David

513
00:32:00,500 --> 00:32:03,800
worked at the st.
Charles Parish Hospital, and he

514
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:08,900
loved his job, and he was never
late didn't matter if he had a

515
00:32:08,900 --> 00:32:12,000
hard party and weekend before
and he was hungover.

516
00:32:13,100 --> 00:32:18,200
He was always on time.
David's boss called his mom and

517
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,800
his mom called his sister.
And the two were actually like

518
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:23,700
roommates, they were living
together.

519
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,200
And so the sister went to her
brother's room and she was just

520
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:27,900
like his uniform and his
hospital.

521
00:32:27,900 --> 00:32:29,800
His Hospital ID are still in the
house.

522
00:32:29,900 --> 00:32:33,100
So now here's the worst thing
that happened.

523
00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:36,400
Okay.
The family is it's like what the

524
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,600
following Monday the family is
freaking out there calling

525
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,600
people to trying to figure.
They're contacting his friends

526
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,600
before the police could contact
the family.

527
00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:49,800
A news report pops on TV,
detailing the death of a young

528
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,600
black man found on Interstate
310.

529
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,700
His pants were pulled down and
he'd been strangled.

530
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,900
The news actually showed the
body.

531
00:32:58,900 --> 00:33:04,500
Oh my God.
And David's sister saw his

532
00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:07,700
corpse live on television.
That is wild.

533
00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:10,200
Excuse me.
That's wild.

534
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:17,400
He had been severely, beaten,
and strangled and The family was

535
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:22,800
traumatized, obviously.
Yeah, I said that based on the

536
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,300
image on scream, it looked like
he'd been screaming when he

537
00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:28,600
died.
Damn, the Mitchell Family

538
00:33:29,900 --> 00:33:33,300
wouldn't learn what actually
happened to him until 2006,

539
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,500
Ronald would tell the police
that he met David at a gay bar,

540
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,300
but that this wasn't consensual
by any means.

541
00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:43,400
He said that Ronald could
convey.

542
00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:45,700
Ronald said, he convince David
to leave the bar under false A

543
00:33:45,708 --> 00:33:49,400
pretense probably to smoke and
then when they were away from

544
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,700
people, Ronald raped, him
strangled, him dumped him on the

545
00:33:51,700 --> 00:33:56,800
side of the road.
After the first kill Ronald laid

546
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,000
low, it was all over the news
and despite the fact that he

547
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,800
wasn't a suspect, he was still a
little worried.

548
00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:06,600
He waited as long as he could
before, he could strike.

549
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,800
Again, that was five months.
His next victim was Gary Pierre,

550
00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:15,600
right before Christmas.
Same Mo meet the guy in the bar

551
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,300
convince him to leave somehow go
somewhere.

552
00:34:18,300 --> 00:34:21,900
Quiet overpower.
The thinner smaller black man,

553
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:27,100
rape and strangle him.
So Gary was discovered, December

554
00:34:27,100 --> 00:34:31,400
14th 1977 and st.
Charles Parish even less is

555
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:36,800
known about Larry Ranson which
is very close to my last day in

556
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:42,400
letter.
He was 38 and he died.

557
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:49,199
July 31st, 1998's s77.
I meant 97.

558
00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:57,300
I wrote it wrong in my notes.
So that so Gary was 97 he wait,

559
00:34:57,300 --> 00:35:00,900
another six months.
Now we have or seven.

560
00:35:00,900 --> 00:35:08,200
Wait six yeah to kill Larry.
The issue with that was with the

561
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,400
police Learned was that like
before Larry the killers were

562
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:16,000
all like early twenties teens.
So with Larry now they realized

563
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,000
okay well this person doesn't
have any age range.

564
00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:24,300
The only thing that's consistent
is that they're all skinny short

565
00:35:24,300 --> 00:35:28,400
black eyes.
The police were still not taking

566
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,900
the case of seriously though
because the victims Were Gay and

567
00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:33,100
the media didn't really latch
onto it either.

568
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,900
Now, throughout the next almost
decade two, detectives are going

569
00:35:37,900 --> 00:35:39,500
to take a personal stake in this
case.

570
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,400
Then it's Thornton and Dawn
Burger on they were both

571
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,500
detectives with Advanced degrees
a solid understanding of the

572
00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:47,400
streets.
Louisiana, and most importantly,

573
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,400
they didn't have any Prejudice
towards gay men.

574
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,300
The two of them were going to
begin to follow these cases from

575
00:35:53,300 --> 00:35:56,300
1988 until the end and they're
kind of the heroes of the story,

576
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,600
but before we can get to how it
was solved, unfortunately.

577
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:06,400
There's a lot more victims.
The big, the first big victim of

578
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,200
this case was Oliver.
Ah, Lila Banks.

579
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:13,900
He was the first that was widely
publicized and attached to the

580
00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:17,300
name of the beige Strangler.
The now the media said that he

581
00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:21,600
was a Drifter and transient, but
he really wasn't, like, he had a

582
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,300
stable relationship with a
girlfriend.

583
00:36:23,300 --> 00:36:25,400
He worked at the new dog trick
Cafe.

584
00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:28,900
He had children who he took care
of, he visited them gave them

585
00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:31,900
money for their care.
He was close friends with his

586
00:36:31,900 --> 00:36:35,800
boss, Mar Paulson and I said
that Ali was a really valued

587
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,300
member of the team but
unfortunately had a pretty

588
00:36:39,300 --> 00:36:42,100
serious drug problem and that
she had to fire him right before

589
00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:48,200
he went missing getting fired
really just made Ali depressed

590
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,600
and there was sort of a downward
spiral that eventually led him

591
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,300
to Ronald.
Now at this point, it's late

592
00:36:55,300 --> 00:37:00,300
1998 and so Ronald moves from
his smaller town area to the

593
00:37:00,300 --> 00:37:08,100
French Quarter in New Orleans.
So, Where Ronald lives is like a

594
00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:14,600
suburb.
Of New Orleans with New Orleans

595
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,100
being, this massive Hub with
lots of people that travel and

596
00:37:18,100 --> 00:37:27,600
move through their right.
By October of 1998, Ronald is

597
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:33,000
also actively hunting, like he
is going to work on the daytime

598
00:37:33,300 --> 00:37:37,000
and then leaving and heading to
French Quarter at night.

599
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:43,300
Ali needed money for his drug
habit but also to survive.

600
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,000
Sometimes Ali would pick pocket
Taurus because millions of

601
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,000
people come through Nola every
year, right?

602
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,800
He would sell some drugs, he
would hustle, and occasionally.

603
00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:59,600
There was some some gay for pay.
Actually, on the night that he

604
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,600
went missing October 3rd 1988,
he was out with his friends, a

605
00:38:02,607 --> 00:38:05,200
couple of gay friends, having a
good time, his brother was

606
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,000
there, too.
And his brother was just like,

607
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,600
why are you with these people
and doing this and all, he's

608
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:16,100
just like, listen, sometimes you
meet some older gay guys who are

609
00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:20,000
willing to pay for the younger
gay guys.

610
00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:22,000
She's like, it's not that
serious.

611
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,700
It's just how I make a little
money here.

612
00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:29,600
And there, his brothers like,
all right, but But I'm, I'm

613
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,700
gonna go home since y'all are
heading to the gay club for the

614
00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:36,200
rest of the night.
Hey, it's still Club.

615
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,400
You can go there and party who's
gonna try to pick you up?

616
00:38:40,500 --> 00:38:43,500
His brother, was trying to pick
up somebody to get some cash so

617
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,100
because the older brother want
anything to do with that.

618
00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:50,400
Got you got you got you Ali was
about 27.

619
00:38:52,300 --> 00:38:56,800
Ali more than likely saw.
The sad rattled as a potential

620
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,100
Mark at the bar.
The Rawhide and Ronald saw him

621
00:39:01,100 --> 00:39:04,400
as a thin young black man, he
could kill.

622
00:39:07,100 --> 00:39:10,800
When the two went like one
likely Ali approached him and

623
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,800
Ronald made him know, he had
cash, the two left the club

624
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,800
together.
Ronald said they could hook up

625
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,500
in his car and that it was
close.

626
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,100
But in reality he had parked
pretty far away.

627
00:39:21,500 --> 00:39:27,300
Now according to Ronald, he told
Ali just to rub his thing on

628
00:39:27,300 --> 00:39:31,000
him.
Despite the fact that Ronald

629
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,400
Dominique was like a very grown
man, the way that he talked in

630
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,200
the police interviews and stuff
is very childlike.

631
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,200
And some ways like about sex, it
was very weird, very good.

632
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,400
And he said, yeah, he said that,
Ali tried to penetrate him and

633
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,900
that it made him mad, and he
took a tire iron and be all I to

634
00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:50,000
death before he actually killed
him.

635
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:55,300
Then he strangled Ali, who was
already unconscious, He told the

636
00:39:55,300 --> 00:39:58,100
police that he let out a lot of
the pent-up rage from when he

637
00:39:58,100 --> 00:40:01,000
was in prison and then he
dragged Ali's body into his

638
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,400
station wagon and dumped him and
overpass under the three time.

639
00:40:05,300 --> 00:40:08,100
The police found Ali October 5th
1998.

640
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,000
No, shoot, no shirt shoes.
And his pants were around his

641
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,500
ankles.
This will become very consistent

642
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:16,800
with every victim.
Ali was ID because he had a

643
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,800
prior history of petty.
Theft, his older brother.

644
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,600
Michael was pretty sad because
he been the last to see his

645
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,700
brother alive.
I knew exactly what his brother

646
00:40:25,700 --> 00:40:28,400
was going to do, which was
dangerous.

647
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,800
Hmm, he related this to the
police and Dennis Thornton ended

648
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,400
up getting the case.
He went to the bar and talk to

649
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,600
everybody, he could but no one
remembered who Ali left the bar.

650
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,000
With now, Dennis Thornton was
the one to make the connection

651
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,700
between olly Mitchell Gary and
Larry, all of these victims have

652
00:40:47,700 --> 00:40:49,400
been dumped me in the 310
Highway.

653
00:40:50,300 --> 00:40:53,100
They also discovered another
weird similarity.

654
00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:58,500
No fibers on On the bodies.
No fingerprints no hair and no

655
00:40:58,500 --> 00:41:01,900
DNA.
As at this point that they

656
00:41:01,900 --> 00:41:05,500
contacted the FBI and ask for a
profile.

657
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,800
Unfortunately this was there is
limited information and the FBI

658
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,500
was just like he's going to be
poor white with virtually no

659
00:41:12,500 --> 00:41:15,000
education.
And while this did describe

660
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,300
Ronald, it also described a
million other men in Louisiana.

661
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,600
So as the police are trying to
learn about the by Strangler,

662
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,800
Ronald goes to his job at st.
Charles Parish maintenance as if

663
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:33,300
nothing happened.
The one thing that they do find

664
00:41:33,300 --> 00:41:37,200
our Ali's body are a few.
Like when I say a few like,

665
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,700
under 10 hairs and they're able
to determine that, these are

666
00:41:41,700 --> 00:41:45,300
definitely the hairs of a
Caucasian person.

667
00:41:46,900 --> 00:41:49,700
This is the first time out of
all four murders that they got

668
00:41:49,900 --> 00:41:55,100
any kind of DNA evidence.
Dinosaur.

669
00:41:56,100 --> 00:42:00,500
Denise based on the dump sites
that the Killer's safe space is

670
00:42:00,500 --> 00:42:03,200
near the airport and Ronald did
live.

671
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,800
Thirteen point five miles from
the New Orleans International

672
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,700
Airport.
Two weeks later, the detectives

673
00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:12,100
are called to see the remains of
16 year old Joseph Brown, just

674
00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:15,000
like Ali he's found shoeless
shirtless and with his pants

675
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,000
pulled down, this was more than
alarming for Thornton because he

676
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,600
could barely get a handle on it
and like he's collected evidence

677
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,800
on this case and then Bruce
Williams is has found November

678
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,300
27th 1998 less than a month
after Joseph.

679
00:42:30,300 --> 00:42:33,600
Same Parish where they're
looking for information on Ali

680
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,900
and Joseph.
Now he was able to get more

681
00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:39,300
information about Bruce who was
18 years old and very well known

682
00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:41,900
in the French Quarter.
No, well-known enough at the

683
00:42:41,908 --> 00:42:44,500
locals were worried when he just
disappeared.

684
00:42:46,100 --> 00:42:49,100
He also had been raped and even
though Thornton was open-minded

685
00:42:49,100 --> 00:42:54,100
about gay people, he had never
experienced so much like male on

686
00:42:54,100 --> 00:42:58,000
male rape in a case he was just
like this doesn't happen.

687
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,400
So because these crimes happened
to the last to happen, closer to

688
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,900
the French Quarter that put them
in a different County.

689
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:12,500
And so New Orleans PD, reach out
to FBI for a profile, that's

690
00:43:12,500 --> 00:43:15,700
Jefferson Parish Jefferson.
Parish gets a response to this

691
00:43:15,700 --> 00:43:17,600
has a little bit more
information.

692
00:43:17,700 --> 00:43:21,200
White, male, mid-30s, probable,
High School, Dropout,

693
00:43:21,300 --> 00:43:25,800
difficulty, with social skills,
which unfortunately, is the norm

694
00:43:25,900 --> 00:43:33,000
for like most serial killers.
However, the feds confirm what

695
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,300
Thornton believe, which is that
the Kill Zone shows that he

696
00:43:36,300 --> 00:43:39,600
lives near the airport and that
this is his safe Zone.

697
00:43:39,900 --> 00:43:44,400
He like some killer specifically
kill outside of where they live,

698
00:43:44,500 --> 00:43:47,600
but that's not Ronald.
Ronald is picking places.

699
00:43:48,900 --> 00:43:52,300
Very close to where he lives.
Now, one thing that the cops and

700
00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:56,800
the FEDS are confused about as
at this crimes intra-racial.

701
00:43:57,700 --> 00:44:03,100
Most crime happens within pretty
segregated racial communities.

702
00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:05,000
That's why most black people get
mad.

703
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,400
When you hear black on black
crime, most crime is white on

704
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,500
white black on black.
Like because we even though

705
00:44:11,500 --> 00:44:15,700
integration happened in America,
we still live in pretty

706
00:44:15,700 --> 00:44:19,200
segregated Community.
Great, we check we stay.

707
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,800
And so we've had like racist
serial killers that were trying

708
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,000
to further the Aryan Nation
agenda and their own way, but

709
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,100
that's not what this That's
because people who are killing

710
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:34,300
to, you know, cleanse the human
population are not having sex

711
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,500
with those victims, sex crimes,
usually happen with those

712
00:44:37,500 --> 00:44:42,300
closely segregated groups, there
are very few power and control

713
00:44:42,300 --> 00:44:45,200
sex killers that kill
interracially.

714
00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:49,000
Honestly, I can only think of
the other one is Jeffrey Dahmer.

715
00:44:49,100 --> 00:44:53,200
Yes, that's that's all I thought
of brought it up.

716
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,000
Yep.
Jeffrey Dahmer.

717
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:59,700
Also had a thing for black men.
I've personally, I will he also

718
00:44:59,700 --> 00:45:02,800
loved a man of color.
He also kills couple Asian men,

719
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,400
too.
But personally, it's something

720
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:13,400
I've wondered because I wonder
if the Look specifically with

721
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,500
the Dahmer case, I wondered if
he was sexually fetishizing his

722
00:45:16,500 --> 00:45:19,900
victims.
So it wasn't that it was a

723
00:45:19,900 --> 00:45:24,300
fetish.
See, I just thought like when I

724
00:45:24,308 --> 00:45:27,700
heard it it was just like he was
hunting in his area, that was

725
00:45:27,700 --> 00:45:29,900
his area.
And that's where he lived in.

726
00:45:30,100 --> 00:45:33,500
These were two men that were
readily available to him.

727
00:45:36,100 --> 00:45:39,100
I think in the case with Ronald,
though, he may have been raped

728
00:45:39,100 --> 00:45:42,300
by black men in prison and he
was taking out his frustration

729
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:48,300
on black man that he could
dominate member because he's up,

730
00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:53,400
he's not like a tall guy but
he's a big guy like and rotund.

731
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:58,500
He's going after new skinny
small, black m somebody that in

732
00:45:58,500 --> 00:46:01,200
any situation he can get a
handle on them and like knock

733
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:06,000
them down.
So Ronald takes a break.

734
00:46:07,900 --> 00:46:11,200
Rather odd considering it seems
like he was about to ramp up.

735
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,600
I mean he we were getting two
weeks apart one month apart,

736
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,600
right.
The next next murder doesn't

737
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:23,700
happen until May 30th. 1999 that
was Manuel read.

738
00:46:23,700 --> 00:46:26,900
He was 21 years old, like all
the other victims men and well

739
00:46:26,900 --> 00:46:30,500
was slim black, but something
changed this time.

740
00:46:30,900 --> 00:46:33,400
His body was put inside of a
dumpster.

741
00:46:34,500 --> 00:46:37,600
Ronald, with testify later that
he met Manuel at a local bar,

742
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,800
proposition him for sex, and
then took me awhile to a station

743
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,900
wagon.
Ronald said that they Fooled

744
00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:47,200
Around and that fooling around
was defined as Mutual fellatio.

745
00:46:47,500 --> 00:46:51,700
And then Ronald said that Manuel
pushed him down and entered him.

746
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,900
And of course, he grabbed his
tire iron and beat Manuel and

747
00:46:54,900 --> 00:46:57,900
strangle him afterward.
This Probably sounds familiar,

748
00:46:57,900 --> 00:47:00,100
doesn't it?
Exactly like what he said about

749
00:47:00,100 --> 00:47:01,400
the other guy?
Yeah.

750
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,800
Yeah.
Which made the people that were

751
00:47:03,900 --> 00:47:07,900
executing this think that he was
in a fantasy.

752
00:47:08,100 --> 00:47:12,900
When this happened, this fantasy
of him, taking back, you know,

753
00:47:12,900 --> 00:47:16,600
his his pride, from what
happened to him and present

754
00:47:16,900 --> 00:47:21,800
because Manuel was also raped.
But in this, the story that

755
00:47:22,900 --> 00:47:25,600
Ronald told he didn't see that
happened.

756
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:33,400
So part of these unfortunately
we only get like a partial bit

757
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,100
of closure with him being honest
about some of these murders

758
00:47:36,100 --> 00:47:38,600
because he's a little bit
delusional.

759
00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:44,100
One month later June thirtieth
nineteen ninety two, twenty

760
00:47:44,100 --> 00:47:46,600
one-year-old Angel mayhaw was
found laying in front of a

761
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,600
dumpster.
Angel was another black man

762
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,500
struggling and doing what he
could to make ends meet and had

763
00:47:52,500 --> 00:47:56,300
a bad run of luck meeting Ronald
as one of his clients.

764
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,600
Angela's victim.
Number 8.

765
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,600
Now, interestingly enough.
One thing happens here.

766
00:48:03,500 --> 00:48:07,100
Angel dies and the media
suddenly becomes very interested

767
00:48:07,100 --> 00:48:11,500
in this case.
The copper of the Baton Rouge

768
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,500
Advocate newspaper in blazing
with bold.

769
00:48:14,500 --> 00:48:18,700
Black letters, shoeless body
could be work of serial killer.

770
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,700
For some reason, the media
fixates on the fact that all of

771
00:48:22,707 --> 00:48:25,500
these victims are met, or a lot
of the victims are missing

772
00:48:25,500 --> 00:48:28,200
shoes, and then they start
writing in the newspapers that

773
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,300
all of the victims are missing
shoes.

774
00:48:31,300 --> 00:48:33,500
Why did it take you so long to
mention that?

775
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,700
Well, one, it wasn't true but to
I just think it's really

776
00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:39,600
interesting because I would have
assumed that the papers would

777
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,500
have been like, can we talk
about this whole gay murder

778
00:48:42,500 --> 00:48:46,400
thing happening?
I guess, I guess that.

779
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:52,300
Nope, no article after article
about victims, missing shoes.

780
00:48:52,300 --> 00:48:57,500
And if this was the killer
signature, But it wasn't true.

781
00:48:58,300 --> 00:49:00,000
Well, no not all of them are
missing shoes.

782
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,500
I think that the shoes just fell
off as he was dragging, their

783
00:49:02,500 --> 00:49:06,300
bodies around his once he was
done with them, he didn't

784
00:49:06,300 --> 00:49:09,300
particularly care.
So it's not like a trophy

785
00:49:09,300 --> 00:49:13,800
thingy, take their shoes and
then like put him in his closet

786
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,900
or something like that.
No, the murders didn't happen at

787
00:49:15,908 --> 00:49:18,700
the dump site today more than
likely got lost in the process.

788
00:49:18,900 --> 00:49:19,600
Right?
Okay.

789
00:49:20,100 --> 00:49:22,100
Now the wait for the next kill
is two months.

790
00:49:22,100 --> 00:49:25,400
This is Mitchell Johnson.
He's 34 a bit older than the

791
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,800
others but Ronald Tell the
police later that Mitchell was

792
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,400
just his type Mitchell was
well-built lean muscle and he

793
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:37,500
was dumped just a few feet away
from where Ali was dumped in the

794
00:49:37,500 --> 00:49:40,600
middle of the August, heat in
New Orleans.

795
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,600
This was a move Rife with
arrogance.

796
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,900
The police weren't sure if he
was stupid or if he was taunting

797
00:49:49,900 --> 00:49:51,700
them.
For not being able to find him.

798
00:49:51,900 --> 00:49:56,100
Ronald would later tell the
police he made the body dumps so

799
00:49:56,100 --> 00:50:02,000
public because he wanted the
recognition Using Ali's dump

800
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,900
site was, so they knew it was
him and he'd be able to watch

801
00:50:04,900 --> 00:50:11,700
them cover the case.
Oh, Now the autopsy comes back

802
00:50:11,700 --> 00:50:13,900
like all the others raped and
strangled, but there were

803
00:50:13,900 --> 00:50:17,500
Witnesses this time who had seen
Mitchell in the city of Jenner,

804
00:50:17,500 --> 00:50:19,200
and they remembered seeing a
weird.

805
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:23,000
Chubby white guy with a receding
hairline and puffy cheeks who

806
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,800
was cruising the area.
Now, for people who don't know,

807
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,600
cruising kind of came up during
like the early days of gay

808
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,600
stuff, which is when it was
illegal for gay clubs and

809
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,800
lounges to exist.
So, when gay guys wanted to find

810
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,300
somebody to hook up with they
went And so they would go to a

811
00:50:41,300 --> 00:50:44,700
place, that was only known among
gay people to look for other gay

812
00:50:44,700 --> 00:50:51,400
men, as gay clubs expanded and
cruising spots declined, it

813
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:55,800
exists in more of a modern term
as looking for prostitutes.

814
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:01,600
And so essentially, if he's
cruising, he's looking for folks

815
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:06,700
who are willing to pay to play,
Sketch though.

816
00:51:08,100 --> 00:51:12,300
We get the first sketch November
of 1989 the hairline the round

817
00:51:12,300 --> 00:51:15,000
face and the cheeks.
Make for a very distinctive

818
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,200
sketch.
It was on every newspaper.

819
00:51:17,500 --> 00:51:20,700
Coincidentally Ronald abruptly,
quit his job, packed up his

820
00:51:20,700 --> 00:51:24,300
mobile home and moved to the
town of Hama, which is about 58

821
00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:28,600
miles away, and very south in
Louisiana right into the Gulf of

822
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,600
Mexico.
He requested to park his mobile

823
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,800
home on his sister.
Laney and her husband's property

824
00:51:35,100 --> 00:51:37,600
that she didn't mind.
She had seen her brother in a

825
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:38,800
while.
While since she's moved out of

826
00:51:38,808 --> 00:51:43,400
the area, he told her he was
just looking for a change but

827
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,600
how much was just as poor as the
town of boot?

828
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,800
And so he hadn't really changed
in terms of where he was living.

829
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,700
Just another small, poor town.
So, Ronald gets a job working at

830
00:51:54,700 --> 00:51:57,500
Cairo produce and he's a stellar
employee.

831
00:51:57,500 --> 00:51:59,100
No, write-ups, to attendance
issues.

832
00:51:59,300 --> 00:52:02,300
He perfected, the personality of
being the nice guy, who helps

833
00:52:02,300 --> 00:52:04,300
everyone that everybody forgets
about.

834
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,300
He took every shift from his
co-workers needed, he did what

835
00:52:07,308 --> 00:52:09,400
he did.
Fast outside of murder and that

836
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,500
was become invisible.
Most people aren't checking for

837
00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:15,900
the portly guy who silently
bags, your groceries and nods

838
00:52:15,900 --> 00:52:19,500
his head.
One of the most interesting

839
00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:22,500
things though was that if Ronald
had stopped killing right now,

840
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,300
it is very likely that the beige
Strangler murders would have

841
00:52:26,300 --> 00:52:32,600
never been solved.
But obviously, he did not stop

842
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,600
because serial killers are
addicts?

843
00:52:36,300 --> 00:52:39,200
23 year-old Mitchell.
Vincent went missing New Year's

844
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:44,100
Eve 1999.
Now Mitchell was an Old Pro in

845
00:52:44,100 --> 00:52:47,200
terms of being in criminal.
He went by a, he had an alias,

846
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:51,000
which was Chris Vincent.
He was known to look the forced

847
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:55,700
Parish PD as someone, who often
got caught trading sex for cash.

848
00:52:55,900 --> 00:53:00,400
He was 57 lean dark skin with a
mustache and it Goatee.

849
00:53:00,700 --> 00:53:03,900
He ever only really gotten into
trouble for aggravated battery.

850
00:53:03,900 --> 00:53:07,300
Otherwise, his record was just
misdemeanors and the police

851
00:53:07,300 --> 00:53:10,000
usually didn't care enough to
try and put somebody away for

852
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,100
something as simple as, you
know, two guys trying to bang

853
00:53:13,100 --> 00:53:15,700
each other.
On Jane.

854
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,800
On January first though.
Mitchell was dumped on a barbed

855
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,400
wire fence on Highway 7 because
of the holiday we also have she

856
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,900
couldn't be done until January
3rd and there was no forensic

857
00:53:27,900 --> 00:53:30,900
evidence left behind, but there
were a couple key.

858
00:53:30,900 --> 00:53:34,000
Differences, Mitchell have been
tied up before he was raped.

859
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:38,200
There were also abrasions on his
upper, right chest to cuts on

860
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:42,800
the lower right side and a small
abrasion to his scrotum the cuts

861
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:47,500
were confusing until they
discovered that he did have

862
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:52,200
crack cocaine in his pockets.
They wonder if maybe the cuts

863
00:53:52,200 --> 00:54:01,600
were like a site.
To inject incur.

864
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:08,100
The abrasions were from him
being dragged on the ground so

865
00:54:08,100 --> 00:54:10,400
they were like, we need to build
a task force, this killer is on

866
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:18,700
the move, so don Burger on lived
in Hama and that's how she and

867
00:54:18,700 --> 00:54:20,800
Dennis would meet through this
task force.

868
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,300
The problem was, as quickly as
the task force is put together,

869
00:54:24,700 --> 00:54:27,700
it's canceled, because
absolutely nothing happens.

870
00:54:27,700 --> 00:54:37,700
Next Nothing no more murders.
Donald just stops for two years.

871
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,300
For.
So they're like listen we can't

872
00:54:41,300 --> 00:54:44,200
put money towards a case where
nothing's happening.

873
00:54:44,500 --> 00:54:48,400
Yeah so you all go back to your
cities and go back to your jobs

874
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,400
and I guess if he murders again,
we'll get back on this.

875
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,000
Dennis.
However could not let that go.

876
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,000
He started looking at some other
cases.

877
00:54:58,100 --> 00:55:00,700
Now there was a guy in Kansas
who had killed 10 people and

878
00:55:00,700 --> 00:55:05,700
just stopped he called himself.
The BTK killer that guy wasn't

879
00:55:05,700 --> 00:55:08,400
this guy because well then is
Raider killed women.

880
00:55:08,500 --> 00:55:11,100
But the questions Still up in
the air, did the bay, you

881
00:55:11,100 --> 00:55:14,800
stranglers give steeds Dennis
started checking every piece of

882
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,400
information.
He could get his hands on to see

883
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,500
if there were any other thin
young, adult black men who were

884
00:55:20,500 --> 00:55:24,200
raped and strangled anywhere
else in the United States and

885
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,000
mind you.
This is all on his own time,

886
00:55:26,900 --> 00:55:31,900
he's the regular like the police
were like, there's nothing you

887
00:55:31,900 --> 00:55:34,700
can look at.
So he's doing his regular police

888
00:55:34,700 --> 00:55:39,300
work and then on the side, doing
his serial killer research.

889
00:55:41,900 --> 00:55:44,400
Now, Ronald stayed out of the
police Limelight until February

890
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,700
10th 2002.
He was at a Mardi, Gras

891
00:55:46,700 --> 00:55:50,000
celebration and he slapped a
woman because he said that she'd

892
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,400
hit a baby stroller in the
parking lot with a car.

893
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,300
The two argued it got hot and
then he hit her.

894
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,700
Believe it or not, this is
really uncommon.

895
00:55:58,700 --> 00:56:03,900
Usually serial killers who have
a criminal past, right?

896
00:56:04,300 --> 00:56:06,600
But they tend to stay out of the
legal system while they are,

897
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:12,200
actively killing the police made
a deal with Ronald, obviously,

898
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,300
not realizing that they had the
by Strangler and their hands and

899
00:56:15,300 --> 00:56:17,500
said of a trial.
He went to something called The

900
00:56:17,500 --> 00:56:21,400
Parish offenders program.
This was alternative sentencing

901
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:25,700
and it was really popular in the
early 2000s.

902
00:56:25,900 --> 00:56:29,100
The idea, Was to keep low level
offenders out of prison and save

903
00:56:29,100 --> 00:56:31,500
space for the rapists and
murderers and Drug traffickers.

904
00:56:31,700 --> 00:56:35,600
Also it saves a lot of money.
Ronald put on his nice guy,

905
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,900
smile and he became the number
one offender.

906
00:56:38,900 --> 00:56:43,100
In the program, he meant all
conditions and was released in

907
00:56:43,100 --> 00:56:46,700
October of 2002.
Now during his break, Ronald

908
00:56:46,700 --> 00:56:50,000
continue his work at the produce
store but he took a second job

909
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:54,700
at Domino's Which means there
are people who are alive, who

910
00:56:54,700 --> 00:56:57,300
got their pizza delivered, by
the bay you Strangler.

911
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:02,000
Oh my God, having two jobs did
take up most of his time and it

912
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,900
did keep him from crime in on
the weekends.

913
00:57:05,900 --> 00:57:08,800
He volunteered the Lions Club,
he called Bingo numbers for the

914
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:12,800
senior citizens, he had turned
himself into a model citizen.

915
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,100
The problem was, of course that
by.

916
00:57:15,100 --> 00:57:19,200
Now, Ronald love the sex but he
loved killing more.

917
00:57:20,100 --> 00:57:23,000
He had a taste for the blood and
that the cops weren't sticking

918
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,400
around him.
He decided that he wanted the

919
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,800
opportunity to be with his
kills, a little longer.

920
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:35,700
He had discovered all kinds of
places in how Mama as a pizza

921
00:57:35,700 --> 00:57:39,800
delivery driver.
So he settled on an empty.

922
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,700
Open area with the unknowing
help of his brother-in-law.

923
00:57:43,700 --> 00:57:48,400
Sam Trimble Sam worked at a
shipyard and Ronald was like

924
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,100
that is the perfect place.
Ace.

925
00:57:50,500 --> 00:57:53,600
So with all that extra money
that he was bringing in, he

926
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:58,600
bought a second smaller trailer
and drove it to a field near the

927
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,600
shipyard.
And that was when he started

928
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:05,100
hunting again.
This time though, he was like, I

929
00:58:05,100 --> 00:58:08,300
didn't care if they were gay or
straight, I'd offer them drugs

930
00:58:08,300 --> 00:58:10,200
or sex just to get them into my
car.

931
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,800
Oh wow, his next victim with
Kenneth Fitzgerald.

932
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,400
Randolph jr.
He was 20 years old, born and

933
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,400
raised in beyou blue.
Interestingly enough, despite

934
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,700
all the cruising that Ronald was
doing looking for victims, he

935
00:58:22,700 --> 00:58:25,100
ended up picking up somebody who
lived only a couple of blocks

936
00:58:25,100 --> 00:58:32,100
away from him, but this wasn't
suspicious because Kenneth had a

937
00:58:32,100 --> 00:58:35,500
real bad criminal past.
The other things that were

938
00:58:35,500 --> 00:58:38,800
different with this one was that
Kenneth was about 510 150

939
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:43,900
pounds, so taller and a little
bit bigger than the guys who run

940
00:58:43,900 --> 00:58:46,700
up normally when, after so
death, but it's tight.

941
00:58:47,100 --> 00:58:50,100
Not the norm.
Also, very young, if he said

942
00:58:50,100 --> 00:58:54,400
that man, in his 30s were more
his type, but Kenneth had first

943
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:58,000
gotten in trouble for having sex
with a minor and he was arrested

944
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:02,600
for carnal knowledge of a child,
then he got criminal damage of

945
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:07,600
property and then he got
arrested again for sex with a

946
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:12,000
child and spent a year in prison
where he got released and walked

947
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,200
right into the waiting arms of
Ronald Dominique.

948
00:59:15,700 --> 00:59:20,300
So Kenneth the pedophile met up
with Ronald the serial killer

949
00:59:21,100 --> 00:59:24,700
They found Candace body in the
sugar, cane fields of Lafourche

950
00:59:24,700 --> 00:59:29,200
Parish October 6, 2002.
He was completely nude and even

951
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,800
though it hadn't been there for
very long, decomp is very fast

952
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:37,400
and the Louisiana climate.
The killer had posed this body.

953
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,800
So that his butt was lifted up
in the air and he was face down.

954
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,300
Just like all the others though.
He had been strangled and raped

955
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:48,900
and just like Mitchell Vincent.
He had been tied up while he was

956
00:59:48,900 --> 00:59:53,300
alive and choked Twice first
with a rope.

957
00:59:53,300 --> 00:59:58,100
And then by hand, they wrote
this down the choking, obviously

958
00:59:58,100 --> 01:00:00,000
meant something important to the
killer.

959
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:06,100
What I think is that he probably
needed the Rope. to do it

960
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:11,400
because Kenneth was a bigger
guy, a rope, the Rope, probably,

961
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,900
he probably did it from behind
and he choked him until he

962
01:00:14,900 --> 01:00:19,800
passed out and then because he
needed the to get him off, he

963
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,900
did it by hand, so that he could
get the thrill of the killing

964
01:00:23,900 --> 01:00:30,300
from that, but that he wasn't
able to hold Kenneth down, Being

965
01:00:30,300 --> 01:00:32,500
that this was a bigger guy than
right retail.

966
01:00:36,100 --> 01:00:39,400
Even though we have all these
murders, FEI Yue Strangler

967
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:43,400
doesn't make the prep because
the u.s. is currently embroiled

968
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:47,000
in the war in the Middle East.
So the u.s.

969
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,900
Press is obsessed with
conversations about that Kansas

970
01:00:50,900 --> 01:00:52,800
has the country's ear as far as
serial.

971
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,200
Killers go.
Nobody seemed to really care

972
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:59,000
about Terrebonne Parish except
for a couple loan cops, who were

973
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,100
bothered by this?
Dude's Brazen Behavior.

974
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,900
He's like he is really ballsy.
Here.

975
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,300
Oh my God.
Six days later rods on the hunt.

976
01:01:09,300 --> 01:01:14,600
Again, Anoka Jones is the next
victor victim now Anoka was 26

977
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,500
and he had a pretty hard life of
being poor and doing crime to

978
01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:20,400
get by.
He had been arrested multiple

979
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:24,400
times throughout his life for
Deft and drugs and Battery.

980
01:01:24,500 --> 01:01:27,100
But he had a girlfriend now and
he wanted to do right by her.

981
01:01:27,100 --> 01:01:29,800
He wanted to be a good man for
Shelly Weston.

982
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,100
They lived in an apartment on
Fremont Street and Anoka had

983
01:01:33,100 --> 01:01:36,100
gone out to get some smoke.
Oaks he was right on his bike

984
01:01:36,100 --> 01:01:38,100
around 8 p.m. to the local
Corner Store.

985
01:01:38,100 --> 01:01:43,500
When Ronald saw him, Now what
Witnesses say they saw was that

986
01:01:44,700 --> 01:01:48,900
Noca as he liked to call himself
stopped, talk to the guy through

987
01:01:48,900 --> 01:01:50,700
the Wyndham and then drove back
home.

988
01:01:51,500 --> 01:01:55,000
Z, he went home.
He told Shelly, he loved her and

989
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,700
then he told her, he was going
to smoke outside again.

990
01:01:58,300 --> 01:02:01,500
This time, however, Shelly
understood, the subtext.

991
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,700
She knew that when he said at
this time and meant that he was

992
01:02:04,700 --> 01:02:07,800
going to be gone for a bit doing
something that he didn't want

993
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:12,900
her to know about know, somebody
should we doing got it, two

994
01:02:12,900 --> 01:02:14,900
hours later, Ronald was driving
around.

995
01:02:14,900 --> 01:02:17,600
How mama with no cos dead body
in his backseat.

996
01:02:18,100 --> 01:02:20,900
He drove all the way back home
to booth.

997
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:22,200
And dropped.
No.

998
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:27,100
Cos body on the side of the road
of the 310 Highway.

999
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,900
His remains were found on
October 13 by a passing police

1000
01:02:32,900 --> 01:02:35,500
officer.
The Cavalry of course arrived

1001
01:02:35,500 --> 01:02:37,800
taking fingerprints from
everything and anything they

1002
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:39,800
could find taking all the
pictures.

1003
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,000
They had his name and address by
the afternoon.

1004
01:02:42,500 --> 01:02:45,500
October 14th.
They arrived at Shelley Weston's

1005
01:02:45,500 --> 01:02:50,000
house with a mug shot and she
just started crying.

1006
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,900
Because she knew that that meant
he was probably dead.

1007
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:58,900
That's been gone all night.
If like if there's one thing

1008
01:02:58,900 --> 01:03:03,900
that bothers me, the most, when
you tell me stories about serial

1009
01:03:03,900 --> 01:03:08,600
killers is it's it's that like
one of their victims ends up

1010
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,100
being someone who's trying to
get their life together.

1011
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,800
You know, they're on the road in
order to get their life

1012
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:17,300
together, you're doing this
because stuff and then they end

1013
01:03:17,300 --> 01:03:19,400
up fucking dead.
Yeah.

1014
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,500
I mean it's weird because naoko
on one hand, he wanted to get

1015
01:03:22,500 --> 01:03:25,500
better for this.
This new woman in his life, but

1016
01:03:25,500 --> 01:03:28,400
on the other hand, The thing
that got him killed, was him

1017
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:33,000
trying to do a drug deal with
Ronald Dominique.

1018
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,400
So he still couldn't leave it
behind and unfortunately that

1019
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:36,800
was the thing that got him in
the end.

1020
01:03:37,500 --> 01:03:38,900
Yeah.
That should just breaks my

1021
01:03:38,900 --> 01:03:43,100
heart.
The police of Lafourche Parish

1022
01:03:43,100 --> 01:03:46,100
first looked into the idea that
this was a drug murder because

1023
01:03:46,100 --> 01:03:49,900
of milk, has known history was
selling, but eventually they

1024
01:03:49,900 --> 01:03:51,900
ended up connecting it to Dennis
Thornton.

1025
01:03:51,900 --> 01:03:54,300
It's kind of hilarious.
They kind of ambushed him one

1026
01:03:54,300 --> 01:03:58,200
day at his police.
Precinct with their case and

1027
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,900
they were like this is like
yours.

1028
01:04:03,100 --> 01:04:07,000
He's just in his office and cops
from three different parishes

1029
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,300
arrived and they all sit down
and compare notes and they come

1030
01:04:10,300 --> 01:04:13,400
to the same conclusion.
It's the same guy.

1031
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:19,000
Now, back in Terrebonne, Parish
Ronald decides, it's time to go.

1032
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:23,500
He hooked a little trailer out
in the shipyard to his car, a

1033
01:04:23,508 --> 01:04:25,900
Sonoma and then he headed out of
town.

1034
01:04:26,700 --> 01:04:33,900
It was time to find a new place
to live and to hunt so between

1035
01:04:34,100 --> 01:04:38,900
the last murder.
And the one that's coming up a

1036
01:04:38,900 --> 01:04:43,900
significant amount of time ends.
The next one wouldn't be until

1037
01:04:43,900 --> 01:04:48,500
May 24th 2003 and pretty much
what happens here is that Ronald

1038
01:04:48,500 --> 01:04:52,500
moves back in with his mom and
his sister before.

1039
01:04:52,500 --> 01:04:56,500
He had like his own trailer and
I don't know what he did with

1040
01:04:56,500 --> 01:04:58,500
it.
I'm like, did he sell it didn't

1041
01:04:58,500 --> 01:05:01,900
have too much evidence in it but
regardless, pretty much for the

1042
01:05:01,900 --> 01:05:05,300
next three years he's going to
be living with his mom, okay?

1043
01:05:07,100 --> 01:05:12,200
The next murder is, May 24th
2003, a big gap between October.

1044
01:05:13,300 --> 01:05:16,800
But the victim was to Truro,
Woods, 19 years old.

1045
01:05:16,900 --> 01:05:20,600
He had recently been released
from prison and he hadn't really

1046
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:24,600
learned too much in prison.
Hmm.

1047
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:28,900
He told some of his cousins and
he was going to move in with his

1048
01:05:28,900 --> 01:05:34,900
girlfriend, but the real issue
as to why he needed to move is

1049
01:05:34,900 --> 01:05:38,600
that he had broken into
somebody's house and the

1050
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:42,500
homeowner instead of calling the
police contacted your Trail and

1051
01:05:42,500 --> 01:05:45,000
told him, if I don't get my
rings back.

1052
01:05:45,100 --> 01:05:47,100
I'm going to show up to your
mom's house and I'm going to

1053
01:05:47,100 --> 01:05:49,900
kill everyone inside.
Oh damn, the the person

1054
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:54,900
apparently he had been robbing
the same guy.

1055
01:05:55,100 --> 01:05:58,800
Over and over this man lives on
the corner of Elder Street, and

1056
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:00,700
he was just sick and tired of
it.

1057
01:06:00,900 --> 01:06:02,900
What?
And like.

1058
01:06:02,900 --> 01:06:06,700
So he told his mom, he's like,
hey, you know, I need to go do

1059
01:06:06,700 --> 01:06:08,400
some things.
I'm gonna go move in with my

1060
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:12,100
girlfriend, and his mom was
like, no, I know, you're up to

1061
01:06:12,100 --> 01:06:14,500
no good.
She's like, please don't leave.

1062
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:18,500
She said you had an appointment
on May 27th with the Social

1063
01:06:18,500 --> 01:06:22,400
Security office.
He was like, fuck the Social

1064
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:24,800
Security office.
He got her some water.

1065
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,400
And he left the house.
He was like, I need to go make

1066
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:30,400
some money to pay this man
because he's going to kill me

1067
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:34,300
for stealing from him.
He of course, never made it back

1068
01:06:34,300 --> 01:06:37,500
to his mom's house or to that
appointment.

1069
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,900
He actually never made it to go
get the money that he needed to

1070
01:06:40,900 --> 01:06:45,100
pay the guy back.
He was found a few days later by

1071
01:06:45,100 --> 01:06:48,500
two cousins who were at three
Wheeling off of Highway 56.

1072
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,200
They told the press that the
body looked puffy.

1073
01:06:52,900 --> 01:06:55,700
And they did.
I mean this was 2003 so cell

1074
01:06:55,700 --> 01:06:59,300
phones weren't super common at
this point, but some people had

1075
01:06:59,300 --> 01:07:00,900
them.
Some people didn't these two

1076
01:07:00,900 --> 01:07:02,500
were younger and didn't have
them.

1077
01:07:02,700 --> 01:07:08,200
I think in 2003 it was a little
uncommon for a young people to

1078
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:11,500
have phones.
It was more of a like grown-ups.

1079
01:07:11,500 --> 01:07:20,200
I think I got my mom's leftover,
Nokia brick, probably around

1080
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:24,100
2004.
And it was mainly because I was

1081
01:07:24,100 --> 01:07:26,600
take like the Dork that I am.
I was taking an extra class at

1082
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:30,600
school, good writing class
during the summer and it was so

1083
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:32,300
funny, like, you're in summer
school.

1084
01:07:32,300 --> 01:07:35,300
And I'm like, no, no, no, this
is extra work because that's the

1085
01:07:35,300 --> 01:07:39,700
kind of child that I was.
And my mom gave me the phone so

1086
01:07:39,700 --> 01:07:42,500
that I could call and let her
know when I got out, when I got

1087
01:07:42,500 --> 01:07:46,500
on the bus etcetera, Etc,
because she was worried.

1088
01:07:46,700 --> 01:07:50,900
So like I was 16 then though, so
it was It was kind of uncommon

1089
01:07:50,900 --> 01:07:53,600
it like young.
Like 10, 12 year, olds had cell

1090
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:57,000
phones back then.
So those two drove, their little

1091
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:01,100
bikes to a nearby casino and
told like the first person they

1092
01:08:01,100 --> 01:08:08,200
saw the casino, we found a dead
body and the casino called the

1093
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:11,300
police.
And they took the police back

1094
01:08:11,300 --> 01:08:14,700
over to Charles body.
His bike was with him.

1095
01:08:15,700 --> 01:08:20,100
See the night before he had gone
to, his plan was to stop by his

1096
01:08:20,100 --> 01:08:21,700
friends house.
Pick up his bike.

1097
01:08:22,100 --> 01:08:26,399
Then head over sell some drugs
and then I'm guessing give that

1098
01:08:26,399 --> 01:08:30,100
drug money to the guy who he
stole the Rings and sold them.

1099
01:08:31,399 --> 01:08:36,200
So somewhere between getting the
bike from his friends house, he

1100
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:42,700
went missing and because he had
this bike at him when he died,

1101
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,700
interestingly enough, there was
no dirt on the bike Treads.

1102
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:50,100
There were no, he didn't have
issues but there was no dirt on

1103
01:08:50,100 --> 01:08:54,800
his socks.
It May and it had been very dry

1104
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:58,600
for the past few days about 85
degrees so they couldn't figure

1105
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,399
out why there was a strange
liquid around the body.

1106
01:09:01,700 --> 01:09:05,300
Like he had been submerged at
some point, but it where he was

1107
01:09:05,300 --> 01:09:09,399
found was bone dry.
He had been stripped of any and

1108
01:09:09,399 --> 01:09:13,399
all of his identification
actually kind of sadly one of

1109
01:09:13,399 --> 01:09:17,300
the detectives that was called
like turned him over because he

1110
01:09:17,300 --> 01:09:22,800
was face down and realized that
he neutral and his mother and so

1111
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:26,300
that detective technically was
able to identify him, but he

1112
01:09:26,300 --> 01:09:30,700
still had to go to the mom's
house to get a positive ID from

1113
01:09:30,700 --> 01:09:37,200
a family room, a relative So,
the police focused on the man,

1114
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:39,899
he robbed his efforts because,
like, you know, he stole from

1115
01:09:39,899 --> 01:09:42,300
you repeatedly.
And you did say you were going

1116
01:09:42,300 --> 01:09:46,500
to kill him, but that man had a
solid Alibi.

1117
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:50,200
They talked to his friend, Gary,
the one who he had given him a

1118
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:54,400
ride to go pick up his bike.
Gary was like, he left on his

1119
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:57,800
bike, that was all.
They had their eventually, they

1120
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,900
linked him to the other killings
and realized that this is work

1121
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:04,300
of a serial killer and not
somebody who knew Detroit even

1122
01:10:04,300 --> 01:10:11,100
though he was in a lot of like,
Just trouble all the time.

1123
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:18,000
Right?
Right now, January of 2004 comes

1124
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,100
and Ronald gets laid off from
the produce store.

1125
01:10:20,900 --> 01:10:24,700
He had got he gets a job working
at Gulf Coast maintenance and

1126
01:10:24,700 --> 01:10:27,000
how am I?
But he only stayed for about six

1127
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:32,100
months then he gets his next job
as a meter reader and that was

1128
01:10:32,100 --> 01:10:35,200
perfect for Ronald.
He didn't kill during this time

1129
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:41,200
at all, but he definitely did.
why's that, if he Killed stopped

1130
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:44,500
picked a new town.
This was the method to keep the

1131
01:10:44,500 --> 01:10:46,900
police kind of confused.
At least for now.

1132
01:10:47,300 --> 01:10:55,300
Now while he's at work as a
meter reader, he realizes that

1133
01:10:55,300 --> 01:11:00,400
he's finding all these really
good locations and he can like

1134
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:02,500
Prospect, but he knew he
couldn't write it down because

1135
01:11:02,500 --> 01:11:05,500
if he wrote it down that, proved
that it was first-degree murder.

1136
01:11:05,500 --> 01:11:09,600
And he was planning it, but he
just kind of made a mental note.

1137
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:13,400
Note as he drove around
different places in Terrebonne

1138
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:19,100
Parish, he's like, oh, that'd be
a good dump site. and of course,

1139
01:11:19,100 --> 01:11:27,000
since he had stopped, killing
from May of 2003 on And it's now

1140
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:28,500
January.
The police aren't kind of

1141
01:11:28,508 --> 01:11:31,900
stumped by this time.
January 2004.

1142
01:11:31,900 --> 01:11:33,900
There have been 13.
Murders across five different

1143
01:11:33,900 --> 01:11:36,900
parishes but they didn't know
the details just yet.

1144
01:11:37,900 --> 01:11:41,400
Unfortunately, none of them like
knew that if they just checked

1145
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:45,400
the boot database, they would
have found that he was charged

1146
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:54,300
with attempted rape years ago.
At this point, Dennis Thornton

1147
01:11:55,100 --> 01:11:59,700
detective starts reaching out.
He's like, listen, I know you

1148
01:11:59,700 --> 01:12:02,700
were going to do a task force
before and that didn't really

1149
01:12:02,700 --> 01:12:07,100
work out but this time we have a
lot more evidence and there's a

1150
01:12:07,100 --> 01:12:11,600
lot more bad.
So he starts kind of hammer in

1151
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,200
the state.
He's like listen, I want us to

1152
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:19,400
do a real task force this time.
Well, that's going on Ronald

1153
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:24,300
strikes again, but it's October
of 2004, everybody's trying to

1154
01:12:24,300 --> 01:12:27,900
prep for tropical storm Matthew
which is Kickin south Louisiana

1155
01:12:27,900 --> 01:12:32,500
in the but there's like 80 mile
an hour winds and here's Ronald

1156
01:12:32,500 --> 01:12:35,200
driving around looking for
somebody to murder.

1157
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:43,600
So they find Larry Matthews body
near a pond and day.

1158
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:47,500
Almonds, the man who found it
was Jeff Mauro.

1159
01:12:47,500 --> 01:12:51,600
And he was a banker, and he also
didn't have a cell phone, so he

1160
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:53,400
drove home.
And he knocked on his neighbor's

1161
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:56,800
door.
His neighbor was Don Jerome, who

1162
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:59,600
was a criminologist for the
sheriff's office in st.

1163
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:01,300
Charles Parish.
Oh my God.

1164
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,500
So don calls the police and he's
like, I'm going there right

1165
01:13:04,500 --> 01:13:08,600
away.
He makes it in about 20 minutes,

1166
01:13:08,900 --> 01:13:11,500
he determines, if the remains
are fresh due to a lack of rigor

1167
01:13:11,500 --> 01:13:14,200
mortis, he checks the pockets,
there's nothing there.

1168
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:18,700
The body was wet.
And so, of course, he goes, he

1169
01:13:18,700 --> 01:13:21,800
probably dumped him during the
storm and attempt to, you know,

1170
01:13:22,300 --> 01:13:25,600
have the rain beat any sort of
evidence off of him.

1171
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,600
He liked this boy, they said the
the storm that like the rain was

1172
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:34,300
sometimes going like sideways.
Oh damn, I love that sideways

1173
01:13:34,300 --> 01:13:38,000
rain.
So He ends up using his little

1174
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,600
digital camera that he has to
take as many pictures as he can

1175
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:43,300
of everything, while he waits
for the detectives to show up.

1176
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:46,600
The autopsy is the next day.
They learned that he had been

1177
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:50,300
killed with the tremendous
amount of force and the overkill

1178
01:13:50,300 --> 01:13:54,900
was significant, he had bruises
on his shoulders, his back, his

1179
01:13:54,900 --> 01:14:00,600
behind his head, the corner.
However, then did a drug test

1180
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:06,900
and was like, ah, this must have
been an overdose and actually

1181
01:14:06,900 --> 01:14:10,800
listed on his death certificate
was not death certificate but to

1182
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:16,500
go that's the term that I know.
But I've been told by people in

1183
01:14:16,500 --> 01:14:20,600
the field you don't call it a
death certificate but it's a it

1184
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:23,100
looks like the things that
happen to your body and how you

1185
01:14:23,100 --> 01:14:25,500
likely died.
He writes it was an accidental

1186
01:14:25,500 --> 01:14:29,400
overdose and I'm like, buddy.
You just said that He was beat

1187
01:14:29,500 --> 01:14:33,600
like, to crap before he died.
What do you mean he OD'd?

1188
01:14:33,700 --> 01:14:35,400
Are you thinking like a
Coroner's report, something like

1189
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:39,200
that?
Darn it.

1190
01:14:39,500 --> 01:14:45,300
No, don't look it up.
I'm just asking just a lot of

1191
01:14:45,700 --> 01:14:54,400
morticians and people like that
and Interesting.

1192
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,300
I was just thinking it was like
nothing.

1193
01:14:57,300 --> 01:15:05,500
I heard people say, Yeah.
No dash is the morticians.

1194
01:15:05,500 --> 01:15:08,200
This is okay.
Okay.

1195
01:15:08,500 --> 01:15:11,100
I think you're right.
It's a Coroner's report.

1196
01:15:11,100 --> 01:15:13,600
But yeah, so they he puts in his
report though.

1197
01:15:14,900 --> 01:15:18,500
This is accident accident
overdose, which I feel kind of

1198
01:15:18,500 --> 01:15:22,600
contradicts all these abrasions
and bruises all over Larry body

1199
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,700
painter.
Also doesn't write on the report

1200
01:15:26,700 --> 01:15:34,000
if the victim was raped or not.
And then in a strange case that

1201
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,100
his prints come back and they
find out that he's from

1202
01:15:36,100 --> 01:15:42,600
Thibodaux. so, he's from the
same town, where Ronald grew up

1203
01:15:43,900 --> 01:15:47,400
He's and he's also 46 years old,
which is the oldest victim that

1204
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,900
they have had so far.
So they contact, Larry's

1205
01:15:50,900 --> 01:15:55,700
brother, who tells them that he
hadn't seen his brother for

1206
01:15:55,700 --> 01:16:00,200
three or four days.
Then I got it.

1207
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:02,500
There's all that could explain
to you is that this was a wild

1208
01:16:02,500 --> 01:16:05,500
goose chase.
They followed every lead

1209
01:16:05,500 --> 01:16:07,200
possible and they did determine
that.

1210
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:09,200
Like at one point.
There is a friend's house with a

1211
01:16:09,208 --> 01:16:12,600
bunch of random white people and
that he had walked out of his

1212
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:14,900
friends house.
After drinking and playing cards

1213
01:16:14,900 --> 01:16:19,100
and just never come back.
They closed the case and

1214
01:16:19,100 --> 01:16:22,200
determined that at some point he
must have gone and gotten drugs

1215
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:28,500
and done too many drugs and
what?

1216
01:16:28,500 --> 01:16:33,800
So that really October, I'm just
thinking like, damn, okay, so

1217
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:35,400
you did all the drugs.
You probably just fell down the

1218
01:16:35,407 --> 01:16:37,300
stairs or something like that.
That's probably what happened.

1219
01:16:37,300 --> 01:16:38,600
That's where all the bruises
came from.

1220
01:16:40,500 --> 01:16:44,100
I mean, later on, we learned
that Ronald.

1221
01:16:44,100 --> 01:16:46,200
Absolutely did get people.
Hi.

1222
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:49,400
So it's very possible that what
actually killed him was the

1223
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:53,600
overdose but that all the other
stuff still happen he was still

1224
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:56,200
strangled and still you didn't
mean it just happened

1225
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:57,800
postmortem.
Yeah.

1226
01:16:57,900 --> 01:17:00,300
It's very plausible like he was
doing.

1227
01:17:00,300 --> 01:17:02,900
Ronald is doing everything to
get the people in his cars.

1228
01:17:03,300 --> 01:17:08,700
You want to, you know, hang out.
You want to party, you pay, you

1229
01:17:08,700 --> 01:17:10,900
know, I could pay you.
If you're we do some stuff like

1230
01:17:10,900 --> 01:17:12,900
it didn't matter.
He was trying to find any angle

1231
01:17:12,900 --> 01:17:14,200
to get somebody.
In his car.

1232
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:20,400
But we're not of October yet.
October 24th 2004 the severely

1233
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:23,200
decomposed remains of Michael
Barnett are found that a gator

1234
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:27,800
storage by the owner Dirk Guidry
and his wife Wendy now gator

1235
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:31,000
stores didn't have much security
No Electronic gate you kind of

1236
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:33,000
paid your money, stored your
stuff and nobody bothered

1237
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:35,100
anybody else.
They didn't think they needed

1238
01:17:35,100 --> 01:17:40,300
any fancy security system but
the day in question, when D is

1239
01:17:40,300 --> 01:17:43,100
on site and she gets a report
from one of her staff that

1240
01:17:43,100 --> 01:17:46,500
there's a unit that smells bad
and You know, that's not

1241
01:17:46,500 --> 01:17:49,300
uncommon in the world of storage
facilities.

1242
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:52,500
Like sometimes people do plug in
like a frigerator.

1243
01:17:52,500 --> 01:17:56,400
And some people are living at a
storage units, right?

1244
01:17:56,400 --> 01:18:02,300
Regardless, she walks up to the
one that smells foul and it

1245
01:18:02,300 --> 01:18:06,300
doesn't have a lock.
It was secured with a twist tie,

1246
01:18:07,700 --> 01:18:10,400
so she just pulled it off and
let herself in.

1247
01:18:12,500 --> 01:18:14,800
Wendy described the Decay on the
body.

1248
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,500
So bad.
She said he look like this.

1249
01:18:17,500 --> 01:18:19,500
This person look, he was easily
in his 50s.

1250
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:26,300
Now, so don Burger on and Simon,
Fryman are put on the case.

1251
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:30,800
They couldn't determine how he
died because he'd been there for

1252
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:36,900
so long and someone came and
reported Michael Barnett

1253
01:18:36,900 --> 01:18:39,000
missing.
They didn't think too much of it

1254
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:43,500
because Michael was only 21 and
this body they had looked way

1255
01:18:43,500 --> 01:18:47,400
way older but what they decide
to do is take photos of the

1256
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:51,000
tattoos that were on hand and
they took those two local

1257
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:53,900
artists and one of the artist
was like yeah I know that guy

1258
01:18:53,900 --> 01:18:57,400
his name is Michael Barnett and
they were like wow.

1259
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:00,300
Wow.
Well apparently he'd been sit in

1260
01:19:00,300 --> 01:19:02,200
that storage locker for a whole
month.

1261
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:04,900
Oh my God.
And even though fall in New

1262
01:19:04,900 --> 01:19:08,200
Orleans is pretty nice, sitting
inside of a metal storage

1263
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:14,200
locker, even it only 75 degrees
speeds the decomposition

1264
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:18,600
process.
Just like everybody else.

1265
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:22,500
They go through every lead and
and Dawn wonders.

1266
01:19:22,500 --> 01:19:24,700
Could this be the victim of a
Strangler?

1267
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:30,000
But there's no proof.
Ronald goes into hibernation

1268
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:33,500
again.
Dennis Thornton is going crazy,

1269
01:19:33,500 --> 01:19:35,400
trying to piece together.
This puzzle.

1270
01:19:35,900 --> 01:19:40,000
Still, the media is not making a
connection either, and to put

1271
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:42,500
this into perspective, for
people who are listening, as of

1272
01:19:42,500 --> 01:19:45,900
2005, Ronald Dominique had
killed as many people as Jeffrey

1273
01:19:45,900 --> 01:19:49,200
Dahmer.
But there was none of the media

1274
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:53,100
outrage or even interest.
The local police department was

1275
01:19:53,100 --> 01:19:56,400
less worried about the stats as
a serial killer, and was just

1276
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:59,500
like, well, let's focus on the
fact that he's killing and Bay,

1277
01:19:59,500 --> 01:20:04,200
you blue, Terrebonne, Parish and
has been since 2003, he must

1278
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:08,100
live here.
So they brought in everybody

1279
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:13,600
with a sex crime, like a
conviction in Terrebonne, Parish

1280
01:20:14,100 --> 01:20:17,200
to talk to them.
The problem is wrong.

1281
01:20:17,300 --> 01:20:20,000
Donald didn't get caught in
Terrebonne Parish and he didn't

1282
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,000
get convicted.
So he wouldn't be on the

1283
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,300
conviction list.
He wouldn't even be on the

1284
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:28,700
attempted list.
Because it's the wrong Parish.

1285
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:34,900
So like what they're doing the
right thing, but it's not being

1286
01:20:34,900 --> 01:20:36,500
expanded.
And now, right?

1287
01:20:36,500 --> 01:20:39,000
You just searching that One
Singular area, you're not

1288
01:20:40,300 --> 01:20:42,400
fixated on the area where the
murders are happening.

1289
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:48,500
Right now, Dennis Thornton is
concerned with the fact that

1290
01:20:48,500 --> 01:20:52,200
like this serial killer is
killing at almost bizarre

1291
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:56,400
intervals.
Like normally it's very

1292
01:20:56,400 --> 01:21:01,100
consistent.
Or there's like a clump of them

1293
01:21:01,100 --> 01:21:04,200
that happened around the same
time, but like he would, you

1294
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:07,000
know, kill two in one month,
take six months off.

1295
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:10,100
Like normally, they can't
control themselves that.

1296
01:21:10,100 --> 01:21:15,300
Well, Hey, in later interviews
Ronald would say that even

1297
01:21:15,300 --> 01:21:18,900
though the police weren't on to
him, he decides to operate as if

1298
01:21:18,900 --> 01:21:21,200
they were and he wanted to be
extra careful.

1299
01:21:24,300 --> 01:21:31,000
So 2005 comes and February 20th.
2005 Leon loretty was discovered

1300
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:34,700
in halma, near the shrine Center
which was this abandoned

1301
01:21:34,700 --> 01:21:38,700
building built in about 1870,
everybody called it the Shriners

1302
01:21:38,700 --> 01:21:43,900
building He was found by Man,
Steve Tim and his son who were

1303
01:21:43,900 --> 01:21:46,300
out dirt biking in the region
because there was this big

1304
01:21:46,300 --> 01:21:50,800
wooded area between the Shriners
building and a small airport

1305
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:54,100
that was great for just kind of
you know goofing off you know

1306
01:21:54,100 --> 01:22:01,100
pop it on the dirt piles.
Right at first Steve Just saw

1307
01:22:01,100 --> 01:22:05,500
the clothes and he was, he like
stops the kids from getting

1308
01:22:05,500 --> 01:22:07,200
closer.
And at first, he thought he

1309
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:09,100
would like that.
The person in the grass was

1310
01:22:09,100 --> 01:22:14,900
drunk passed out because he had
a bottle of beer on him and they

1311
01:22:14,900 --> 01:22:16,900
didn't touch him because they
were like, listen, sometimes

1312
01:22:16,900 --> 01:22:19,700
when drunks get woken up, they
just start swinging.

1313
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:23,000
Yeah, yeah.
So Steve called the police on

1314
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:26,900
his cell phone, detective, Simon
Fryman got the call at his house

1315
01:22:27,500 --> 01:22:33,200
and Simon actually cognized Leon
because Leann had been

1316
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:37,100
interviewed during the Nokia
Jones murder a couple of years

1317
01:22:37,100 --> 01:22:43,500
before another one of Ronald's
victims. now, during the time

1318
01:22:43,500 --> 01:22:49,100
that Leon is being autopsy,
Simon gets Leon's.

1319
01:22:49,100 --> 01:22:52,900
Mom to consent to a search of
her house and then she lived

1320
01:22:52,900 --> 01:22:55,800
there and as they were looking
around they found like a

1321
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:59,500
blood-stained behind a chair and
they got a warrant and the

1322
01:22:59,500 --> 01:23:01,700
warrant allowed the forensic
team to come in and take

1323
01:23:01,700 --> 01:23:07,400
samples.
And that went to a lab Well,

1324
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:10,700
that's going on.
Simon goes and starts talking to

1325
01:23:10,700 --> 01:23:15,000
Lance friends and realize that
he kind of went missing.

1326
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:18,600
Sometime around February 13th.
He got into a fight with his

1327
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:23,400
friends, over some tools and
they said he stole them and he

1328
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:25,500
said he didn't.
And so, the current friends kind

1329
01:23:25,500 --> 01:23:28,000
of we're having a little bit of
a well, we're not going to talk

1330
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:31,200
to you a moment and so no one
had seen him after that.

1331
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:35,100
Now the autopsy did show that
Leon was very drunk when he died

1332
01:23:35,700 --> 01:23:38,700
and he'd also been Strangled,
with some kind of a chord.

1333
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:42,400
They figured that, his blood
alcohol level would have been so

1334
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:46,700
high that he wouldn't have been
able to really defend himself.

1335
01:23:49,700 --> 01:23:54,100
Now, Simon is the same
environment is at the police

1336
01:23:54,100 --> 01:23:57,600
precinct doing like the work you
the paperwork because that's the

1337
01:23:57,608 --> 01:23:59,400
stuff they never talked about,
right?

1338
01:23:59,500 --> 01:24:03,300
And a woman comes in, for a
different case, around the Sugar

1339
01:24:03,300 --> 01:24:07,500
Bowl, motel and on a whim Simon,
kind of shows her Leon's

1340
01:24:07,500 --> 01:24:11,400
picture, and she's like, oh
yeah, he's here a lot, the Sugar

1341
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:15,500
Bowl was a known spot to pick up
professionals and for

1342
01:24:15,500 --> 01:24:20,400
professionals to find John So
she was able to cut their time

1343
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:26,400
from nine days to 36 hours.
Whoo damn nice.

1344
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:29,400
Yeah she had seen him as
frequently as a day and a half

1345
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:33,800
before he died.
The other important detail that

1346
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:36,800
she was able to tell them was
that she had seen Leon with a

1347
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:43,100
white guy, who had a limp On
March 3rd.

1348
01:24:43,100 --> 01:24:45,600
They got a call from a witness
saying there had been a man a

1349
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:51,800
maroon car that had been near
the airport just standing there

1350
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:54,800
and that was kind of weird
because this is like a small

1351
01:24:54,800 --> 01:25:03,700
private airport and he's just
around and that puts this

1352
01:25:03,700 --> 01:25:09,200
random, weird Shifty, white guy
near the remains hours before

1353
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:10,700
the body had been dumped.
Aunt.

1354
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:14,600
Very good information but they
didn't have enough to identify

1355
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:16,400
him.
Right.

1356
01:25:17,100 --> 01:25:21,800
Early April, they find them.
Another man fully clothed in a

1357
01:25:21,808 --> 01:25:24,900
wooded area, near the Lafourche
Work Release Center, and

1358
01:25:24,900 --> 01:25:28,900
Lafourche Paris detectors were
used to it now and they just

1359
01:25:28,900 --> 01:25:31,700
showed up trying to collect any
evidence they could and of

1360
01:25:31,700 --> 01:25:35,900
course there's no i.d.
No evidence.

1361
01:25:35,900 --> 01:25:39,900
So LSPD puts out a bolo for
people who don't know, bolo

1362
01:25:39,900 --> 01:25:42,200
stands out stands for be on the
lookout.

1363
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:46,500
It's a type of bulletin and
instead of saying like, hey,

1364
01:25:46,500 --> 01:25:50,200
look for this suspect.
It was.

1365
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:55,100
Hey, is there anyone that can
get us in contact with someone

1366
01:25:55,100 --> 01:26:02,600
who recognizes this person?
Yeah, and this brought in other

1367
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:06,800
police who saw Saw the
similarities of the victims in

1368
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:12,800
their Parish.
The autopsy showed he'd been

1369
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:14,900
strangled.
And after his prints went

1370
01:26:14,900 --> 01:26:18,400
through the apis database, his
name came back as August Tyrell

1371
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:22,200
Watkins, five foot six hundred
thirty pounds, 32 years old also

1372
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:24,500
if people don't know if is
stands for the automated

1373
01:26:24,500 --> 01:26:28,700
fingerprint identification
system which is what we use in

1374
01:26:28,700 --> 01:26:31,600
the u.s.
It doesn't actually pinpoint the

1375
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:33,900
fingerprints like on the TV
shows.

1376
01:26:34,100 --> 01:26:37,900
But what it will do is it will
give the print examiner a

1377
01:26:37,900 --> 01:26:44,400
collection to look through.
Instead of like 5,000 people, it

1378
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:49,700
might return 24 and then they
print those out and they look

1379
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:53,000
and they compare the prints.
They have to a much smaller

1380
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:56,100
number so it makes the job
significantly Sims year.

1381
01:26:56,100 --> 01:27:00,000
Yeah, that's all this is.
It's great information.

1382
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:04,800
I do like to Rouse Family
actually didn't know he was

1383
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:07,800
missing because he'd been
evicted from his home and he was

1384
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:11,000
struggling with housing.
So everybody knew Ooh, that like

1385
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:14,300
Tara was living with different
people and was bouncing around

1386
01:27:14,700 --> 01:27:18,800
to different peoples houses so
nobody really had an idea when

1387
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:21,900
he went missing, because they
just assumed like, oh, he's with

1388
01:27:22,100 --> 01:27:24,400
his aunt.
Oh, he's staying at his cousin's

1389
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:25,700
house.
Oh, he's staring at his

1390
01:27:25,700 --> 01:27:31,000
girlfriend's house, but through
talking with the neighbors and

1391
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:34,700
all of his friends and family,
they ended up going to the woods

1392
01:27:34,700 --> 01:27:38,900
near jack's grocery to look for
a bag of his things that he

1393
01:27:38,900 --> 01:27:42,700
carried with him.
His items were found near that

1394
01:27:42,700 --> 01:27:46,000
abandoned lot near the grocery
store and they theorize that

1395
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:49,800
Tyrell might have met his killer
while asking for food or a place

1396
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:58,200
to stay the last person.
He lived with was a young woman

1397
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:02,100
who he'd been dating but she had
kicked him out and was dating

1398
01:28:02,100 --> 01:28:05,800
somebody else and that at the
time that he died, he was

1399
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:13,100
sleeping in a local tunnel.
Yeah.

1400
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:16,800
Sorry friends told the police
that they'd seen Tyrell hanging

1401
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:20,600
out with a white guy who drove a
white truck and they found the

1402
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:23,900
white guy and his wife based on
running the place this couple

1403
01:28:23,900 --> 01:28:26,700
neutral because they brought it,
they bought drugs from him and

1404
01:28:26,700 --> 01:28:31,400
they were kind of, like, nervous
when they talk to the police and

1405
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:34,500
the police were like, what you
called him at multiple locations

1406
01:28:34,500 --> 01:28:37,000
and they're like, fine, we got
drugs from him.

1407
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:38,900
That's why we called him
different places.

1408
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:47,100
He lived, you got us.
The first like they were like do

1409
01:28:47,100 --> 01:28:48,900
you ever let this guy drive your
truck?

1410
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:51,300
And the lady was like I would
never and they were like we

1411
01:28:51,300 --> 01:28:55,600
definitely have people who say
that you he was seen driving it

1412
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:58,100
and you were sitting with it and
the thing was apparently the

1413
01:28:58,100 --> 01:29:00,800
couple were broken up and got
back together so there might

1414
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:03,900
have been a little hanky-panky
going on way and she didn't want

1415
01:29:03,900 --> 01:29:06,700
to let her husband know, had
happened, right right, right.

1416
01:29:08,900 --> 01:29:11,300
I mean they followed no less
than 10 leads.

1417
01:29:11,500 --> 01:29:14,800
They learned about everything if
he was going through while

1418
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:18,800
struggling with housing but the
case stalled after everybody

1419
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:22,700
checked out, Now, remember how I
said that Denis Norden was

1420
01:29:22,700 --> 01:29:27,200
trying to get the police to do a
task force today.

1421
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:29,800
Finally get one or oh buddy, we
get it.

1422
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:31,100
We get task force.
All right.

1423
01:29:31,300 --> 01:29:37,100
Oh nice, nice, nice.
Now, Dennis is parish is

1424
01:29:37,100 --> 01:29:41,300
Terrebonne and so, don, don
Bergeron has her own Parish that

1425
01:29:41,900 --> 01:29:45,300
she's dealing with ones and so
ultimately the two of them kind

1426
01:29:45,300 --> 01:29:47,400
of piece things together and
they're like, all right, at this

1427
01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:49,200
point.
Now we have potentially 15

1428
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:50,900
murders.
We know the guys Is mobile.

1429
01:29:51,100 --> 01:29:53,000
We know he picks up his victims
on the street.

1430
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:54,800
It's a must be consistent
motive.

1431
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:57,400
Across victims, that turns out
to be not true.

1432
01:29:57,500 --> 01:30:01,500
His MO is different depending on
the victim.

1433
01:30:01,900 --> 01:30:05,800
Now what originally started as a
sex crimes had devolved into

1434
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:08,900
like just murder because they
couldn't not all the bodies.

1435
01:30:08,900 --> 01:30:11,400
They couldn't determine whether
they've been assaulted or not.

1436
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:14,700
They were very disheartened by
the fact that the major media

1437
01:30:14,700 --> 01:30:17,700
news wouldn't cover this and
thing that was really

1438
01:30:17,700 --> 01:30:20,900
interesting is because around
the same time Member how I said

1439
01:30:20,900 --> 01:30:23,600
I was looking for there not to
be a crisscross of murders.

1440
01:30:24,900 --> 01:30:28,100
There was a crisscross of murder
as I forgot about Derrick Todd

1441
01:30:28,100 --> 01:30:30,200
Lee.
The Baton Rouge serial killer,

1442
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:32,600
who was killing in Northern
Louisiana.

1443
01:30:32,700 --> 01:30:35,500
While Ronald was killing in
Southern Louisiana.

1444
01:30:35,500 --> 01:30:38,400
Oh my God, the process was all
over.

1445
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:43,400
Derrick, Todd Lee's case because
that was a black man killing

1446
01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:49,100
white women that sells papers
Ronald, of course, was choosing

1447
01:30:49,100 --> 01:30:52,800
black men down on their luck.
Offering them, hope a place to

1448
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:55,300
say, or just some drugs to pass
the night.

1449
01:30:56,500 --> 01:31:01,500
And therefore those cases
weren't really, you know, making

1450
01:31:01,500 --> 01:31:06,200
the yeah, no headline news right
there.

1451
01:31:07,500 --> 01:31:11,400
But finally, it's April 2005 and
Dennis gets that real task force

1452
01:31:12,100 --> 01:31:16,000
after 15 murders.
So the state and vice Dennis to

1453
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:19,500
this massive meeting.
Because he'd been the longest on

1454
01:31:19,500 --> 01:31:21,500
the cases.
He'd been following them for

1455
01:31:21,500 --> 01:31:24,200
eight years now.
And they also included Tom

1456
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:27,500
Lambert from ham from the how
much Sheriff's Office and FBI

1457
01:31:27,500 --> 01:31:32,700
agent from New Orleans Jack or
sign Simon Fryman from Hama PD

1458
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:36,400
Dawn Burger on from Terrebonne
Parish and her boss.

1459
01:31:36,700 --> 01:31:43,000
Major four major Vernon Booyah
Booyah, there's so many friends

1460
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:45,700
James I had to look up.
So good right now.

1461
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:50,200
Also they invited 14 other cops
representing all six of the

1462
01:31:50,200 --> 01:31:53,300
parishes where there were
murdered Dennis was hype.

1463
01:31:53,300 --> 01:31:55,300
He was like, we have the money
now to really fun.

1464
01:31:55,300 --> 01:31:58,700
This it's getting on the news
and so, they did decide to focus

1465
01:31:58,700 --> 01:32:01,600
on Terrebonne Parish since five
of the most recent murders

1466
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:04,000
happen there.
Both, he and Don become lead,

1467
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:07,500
detectives on Me on the task
force, and they were chosen

1468
01:32:07,500 --> 01:32:09,500
because of their years of
looking into the case.

1469
01:32:09,900 --> 01:32:12,500
But also the fact that the two
always kind of showed initiative

1470
01:32:12,500 --> 01:32:15,300
in a willingness to kind of
think, outside the box, Don was

1471
01:32:15,300 --> 01:32:17,700
exceptionally talented at
speaking to Witnesses and

1472
01:32:17,700 --> 01:32:21,600
potential suspects, and getting
quick confessions, or statements

1473
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:25,200
as a police, like to call them.
She said, I had a very

1474
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:29,400
incredible ability to soften
people up and get them to just

1475
01:32:30,100 --> 01:32:33,900
spill their guts.
This was very valuable trait for

1476
01:32:33,900 --> 01:32:37,700
this investigation because even
people who weren't suspects had

1477
01:32:37,700 --> 01:32:41,100
information to give and we
didn't have the time for you to

1478
01:32:41,100 --> 01:32:44,200
be standoffish.
Give me the information.

1479
01:32:44,300 --> 01:32:46,900
Even I need so we can move on
and go somewhere else.

1480
01:32:48,500 --> 01:32:50,000
Right, that's how I always am
with.

1481
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:52,400
People.
Look, look, I got Time.

1482
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:55,300
Come on, come on, come on, but
she did it in a way that you

1483
01:32:55,300 --> 01:32:56,900
know, didn't make people feel
standoffish.

1484
01:32:56,900 --> 01:33:01,300
It was it was it's a talent.
Unfortunately, as soon as they

1485
01:33:01,300 --> 01:33:04,100
got themselves together, another
murder happened.

1486
01:33:04,300 --> 01:33:08,200
This time and Lafourche Parish,
it was the end of April and Kirk

1487
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:10,000
Cunningham's.
Body was found floating in a

1488
01:33:10,008 --> 01:33:12,600
ditch.
Kurt was 23 years old.

1489
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:15,800
And from Thibodeau, he was the
first White victim.

1490
01:33:16,700 --> 01:33:20,800
Hey, last been seen and how On
April 8 but he wasn't discovered

1491
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:26,100
until 20 days later off of
Highway 307, the apps autopsy

1492
01:33:26,100 --> 01:33:31,100
ruled inconclusive because he's
been sitting in water for days

1493
01:33:34,100 --> 01:33:35,700
actually.
Okay.

1494
01:33:36,300 --> 01:33:39,400
So because it was like a dish,
it was probably not all water.

1495
01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:41,900
So like half of his body is
water.

1496
01:33:42,300 --> 01:33:46,800
Decomposed in the other half is
it's not yeah.

1497
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:53,800
Decomp from this point forward.
They decided we need to

1498
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:56,700
streamline this process.
We have a lot of people on this.

1499
01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:58,500
There's no need for
redundancies.

1500
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:02,900
So, we're going to use one crime
lab for all future evidence.

1501
01:34:03,100 --> 01:34:08,100
This will all of the evidence
will only be handled by the same

1502
01:34:08,100 --> 01:34:13,300
people.
So there is no confusion as to

1503
01:34:13,500 --> 01:34:16,500
who has it like this detective
is the person who's going to

1504
01:34:16,500 --> 01:34:22,100
carry this stuff in his car to
this lab and will be that person

1505
01:34:22,100 --> 01:34:26,700
from now on.
Okay, this standardization gave

1506
01:34:26,700 --> 01:34:28,000
everybody.
The thing that they were to

1507
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:31,200
handle, kind of expertly at
every crime scene, so there's no

1508
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:35,200
wasted energy.
Dennis came up with the idea for

1509
01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:40,600
them to fingerprint.
All of Kurt Cunningham's body.

1510
01:34:41,100 --> 01:34:46,600
But to use different
temperatures to maybe make

1511
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:51,500
certain things appear.
He said that he got this from

1512
01:34:51,500 --> 01:34:54,700
CSI.
Oh my God, like worth a shot.

1513
01:34:56,800 --> 01:35:00,400
To see if depending on the
temperature things, you know the

1514
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:04,800
skin might change and you might
get a usable print.

1515
01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:10,100
Now Dennis and Dawn are digging
into the current investigation

1516
01:35:10,100 --> 01:35:14,100
and another murder happens.
This time Alonzo Hogan, 23 years

1517
01:35:14,100 --> 01:35:17,600
old st.
Charles Parish July 2nd Alonzo

1518
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:20,900
was 28 and he was black, he was
found fully dressed.

1519
01:35:22,700 --> 01:35:25,700
Ronald had gone back to an old
dump site the cane field off of

1520
01:35:25,700 --> 01:35:29,700
Highway 306.
They went back to the old files,

1521
01:35:29,700 --> 01:35:32,600
to try and find a connection
between the new cases, and the

1522
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:37,600
old ones.
How am I resident Wayne Smith?

1523
01:35:41,500 --> 01:35:45,800
Is found in a ditch fully
clothed on August 16th.

1524
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:48,800
So why month later off of Grand
Caillou Road.

1525
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:52,700
This is another one that gets
marked as undetermined by the

1526
01:35:52,700 --> 01:35:55,000
coroner due to Advanced
decomposition.

1527
01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:58,700
Wayne is one of the youngest
victims at only 17 years old.

1528
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:02,400
They use the same protocols
collect as much evidence has

1529
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:05,000
and, you know, follow their,
their plan.

1530
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:09,100
Donald that is also root out the
shoe connection.

1531
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:12,100
It wasn't a signature, it was
just the side effect of having

1532
01:36:12,100 --> 01:36:17,100
to move the bodies CIA.
But an interesting thing was

1533
01:36:17,100 --> 01:36:20,000
that three of the victims have
been seen at the Sugar Bowl

1534
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:23,700
Motel just before their death.
And they noticed that every

1535
01:36:23,700 --> 01:36:27,800
victim had at least one prior
criminal offense.

1536
01:36:28,700 --> 01:36:30,300
That was an interesting pattern,
too.

1537
01:36:32,700 --> 01:36:36,700
Now it's August 28, 2005.
Do you remember what happened

1538
01:36:37,700 --> 01:36:42,000
Ryan?
You said, August 28th, 2005.

1539
01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:49,900
I don't.
Well, disaster struck Louisiana

1540
01:36:50,100 --> 01:36:53,300
Hurricane Katrina one of the
five deadliest hurricanes in US.

1541
01:36:53,300 --> 01:36:57,200
History, I'm sorry, that's okay.
It was a category 3.

1542
01:36:57,200 --> 01:37:00,700
When it made landfall on the
Gulf Coast on August 29th, for

1543
01:37:00,700 --> 01:37:03,400
people who are Americans, who
are listening, Louisiana,

1544
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:05,900
specifically New Orleans is
below sea level.

1545
01:37:06,100 --> 01:37:09,400
And the region is protected by a
series of flood walls and levees

1546
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:12,500
that pretty much block water
from going where it shouldn't.

1547
01:37:13,100 --> 01:37:16,700
Some of these flood levees can
be natural, but many of them

1548
01:37:16,700 --> 01:37:19,800
were man-made.
And on Monday, August 29th,

1549
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:23,900
there were over 50 failures in
the walls and 80% of New Orleans

1550
01:37:24,300 --> 01:37:28,200
and all of st.
Bernard Parish flooded, you're

1551
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:31,700
talking tens of billions of
gallons of water from the

1552
01:37:31,700 --> 01:37:35,200
Atlantic Ocean, flooding over
100,000 homes and businesses.

1553
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:37,900
It is considered to be one of
the costliest, natural disasters

1554
01:37:37,900 --> 01:37:42,800
in US history, costing over 100
billion dollars God.

1555
01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:46,100
And the thing is, if you're from
the south, I give her somebody

1556
01:37:46,100 --> 01:37:50,300
who's listening from the south
like Like, at one point, one of

1557
01:37:50,300 --> 01:37:52,800
my family members lived in Port,
not with a.

1558
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:55,900
What's the bottommost town in
Florida?

1559
01:37:55,900 --> 01:37:58,800
I forget what it's called acute
was.

1560
01:37:58,900 --> 01:38:03,200
It's one of the keys.
Yeah, income like it's they're

1561
01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:06,600
so used to hurricanes that.
They just like stack up there

1562
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:10,700
sandbags and then they drive
away and they tow back to the

1563
01:38:10,700 --> 01:38:12,300
mainland.
Like they're just used to them

1564
01:38:12,300 --> 01:38:16,900
happening, like every 6 to 12
months and it's always like this

1565
01:38:16,900 --> 01:38:20,300
is gonna be the First one and
they're just like yeah, whatever

1566
01:38:20,300 --> 01:38:24,100
whatever it is.
It was kind of like that in New

1567
01:38:24,100 --> 01:38:28,600
Orleans because they were used
to these but the because the

1568
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:34,400
levy the Levee failures happened
People didn't evacuate like

1569
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:38,300
people didn't evacuate and
eight, 1836 people were killed.

1570
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:42,900
There are a host of horrible
atrocities against people that

1571
01:38:42,900 --> 01:38:45,100
happen in the city.
During this time, I mean, I

1572
01:38:45,108 --> 01:38:50,300
remember watching there were
police forcing people with kids

1573
01:38:50,300 --> 01:38:53,100
back into flooded water while
they were trying to cross a

1574
01:38:53,100 --> 01:38:55,500
bridge because the bridge was
dangerous, but like the people

1575
01:38:55,500 --> 01:39:00,300
were like we're gonna drown that
was caught on camera.

1576
01:39:00,500 --> 01:39:04,100
There was also an entire prison
that was left full of inmates

1577
01:39:04,700 --> 01:39:07,600
and the inmates were left or
drown as the guards kind of

1578
01:39:07,600 --> 01:39:10,300
worried about their own safety.
That's something that they don't

1579
01:39:10,300 --> 01:39:14,000
like to talk about and there's a
lot of history around that a lot

1580
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:16,500
of government in action and
mismanagement happened.

1581
01:39:16,500 --> 01:39:18,600
I could go on, but we don't have
the time.

1582
01:39:20,100 --> 01:39:25,200
It took two years just to rid
the city of biohazards and begin

1583
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:29,200
rebuilding.
And when I say that, New Orleans

1584
01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:31,100
is frequently called the city of
the dead.

1585
01:39:31,100 --> 01:39:35,300
It's notoriously haunted, and it
has a host of above-ground

1586
01:39:35,300 --> 01:39:39,200
mausoleums and beautiful
cemeteries and well, those are

1587
01:39:39,208 --> 01:39:44,900
below sea level.
When the flood happened.

1588
01:39:46,700 --> 01:39:50,500
The bodies in the ground also
came out.

1589
01:39:51,500 --> 01:39:57,000
So they were finding remains and
having to try and figure out

1590
01:39:57,000 --> 01:39:58,900
where they came from.
Where these people, who drowned

1591
01:39:58,900 --> 01:40:02,300
in the actual water are these
remains from cemeteries, it took

1592
01:40:02,300 --> 01:40:06,900
years, it's been 17 years since.
And from what I understand

1593
01:40:06,900 --> 01:40:11,400
things are mostly back to normal
down there but That's good.

1594
01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:15,000
That's good to hear.
Well, once the water subsided,

1595
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:17,000
there was another murder to deal
with.

1596
01:40:17,900 --> 01:40:21,600
Krista Ville, 40 years old and
this time it was a new dump

1597
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:24,600
site.
Assumption Parish he wasn't a

1598
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:27,700
typical victim.
Chris was not transient.

1599
01:40:27,700 --> 01:40:35,400
He didn't have a history of
drugs or Home of my keys were

1600
01:40:35,400 --> 01:40:41,400
homelessness, but you know,
housing issues or even crime in

1601
01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:44,000
his background, right?
His family was together.

1602
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:48,400
His brother was a cop.
He was also fully clothed and

1603
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:52,800
left off of Highway 1.
It was almost like maybe this

1604
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:57,900
one was done in a Moment of
desperation.

1605
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:04,800
Interesting.
And what I see as the stunning

1606
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:09,600
display of sort of fuckery that
isn't Dawn's bosses.

1607
01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:13,200
Begin, freaking out on the task
force and saying you're taking

1608
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:15,200
too long.
We want results.

1609
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:20,000
Even though it had taken them,
eight years to provide, Dennis

1610
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:23,200
with the money to, even really
pursue the cases, they were

1611
01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:25,700
being expected to solve them
immediately.

1612
01:41:28,900 --> 01:41:31,600
Okay, thank you for the money
now, we'll create some magic for

1613
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:32,700
you.
Okay, snack.

1614
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:37,200
Well, luckily, the task force
gets a break and that break

1615
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:39,400
comes in the name of a man named
John.

1616
01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:42,900
Banning John was the typical
Mark for Ronald?

1617
01:41:43,900 --> 01:41:48,700
What Ronald didn't know was that
John's parole officer was

1618
01:41:48,700 --> 01:41:51,200
officer Lambert?
One of the men in the task

1619
01:41:51,200 --> 01:41:54,600
force.
John was walking on the highway

1620
01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:58,700
when he was approached by Ronald
and offered sex with a girl

1621
01:41:58,700 --> 01:42:04,100
based off of a photo.
Anton was like he doesn't look

1622
01:42:04,100 --> 01:42:06,900
very dangerous and that picture
is very sexy.

1623
01:42:07,200 --> 01:42:10,200
What's the harm in going to his
house and see if she's real?

1624
01:42:12,500 --> 01:42:15,400
So as they're Drivin, he said
that Ronald talked about some

1625
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:19,900
weird stuff, he talked about how
he was going to have to tie John

1626
01:42:19,900 --> 01:42:24,800
up because the girls really like
bashful about new guys, it was

1627
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:27,500
real weird.
Also, he randomly talked about

1628
01:42:27,500 --> 01:42:29,700
how there was a stigma around
being gay.

1629
01:42:30,700 --> 01:42:33,000
And for some reason, when Ronald
pulled into his sister's

1630
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:38,600
driveway, John still State, they
went to the trailer.

1631
01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:42,300
Ronald begins his routine.
He tells John get undressed,

1632
01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:44,300
Rest, and he's like, and then
I'll tie you up.

1633
01:42:44,500 --> 01:42:46,500
And John kind of took stock of
the room.

1634
01:42:46,500 --> 01:42:51,200
And was just like, there are
jugs of urine in this room,

1635
01:42:51,200 --> 01:42:56,500
which is weird, and also Stacks,
and stacks of gay porn.

1636
01:42:58,300 --> 01:43:01,100
John takes that moment and just
walks out of the door.

1637
01:43:01,100 --> 01:43:04,900
And Ronald doesn't stop him.
He actually said he ran back to

1638
01:43:04,900 --> 01:43:07,600
the highway.
Wow.

1639
01:43:09,200 --> 01:43:14,000
Okay, so Donna, Dennis are, you
know, back at headquarters

1640
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:18,900
discussing their try to figure
out like the guy that Witnesses

1641
01:43:18,900 --> 01:43:25,000
reported Didn't seem like a big
guy like yeah, he was Heavy SAT

1642
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:28,700
but he wasn't very tall.
And like he didn't seem very

1643
01:43:28,700 --> 01:43:31,000
strong according to Witnesses.
So they're trying to figure out

1644
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:34,100
how is he getting these people
to get in his car.

1645
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:37,800
They had already been through
every sex offender in every

1646
01:43:37,800 --> 01:43:43,400
Parish where there was a murder.
But they didn't think to talk to

1647
01:43:43,400 --> 01:43:48,400
the Parolees and so that came up
during this conversation and

1648
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:51,200
they they like, hey, they like
they go to their squadmate

1649
01:43:51,200 --> 01:43:54,500
Lambert and they're just like,
hey, we want to go through all

1650
01:43:54,500 --> 01:43:57,300
the Parolees and you're here.
So you have the list on you,

1651
01:43:57,600 --> 01:43:59,700
like I mean, you still working
at a, his side to work their

1652
01:43:59,700 --> 01:44:03,800
regular stuff too.
And so he's just like we want to

1653
01:44:03,808 --> 01:44:06,500
talk to all the people who are
on parole in this town.

1654
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:10,900
Which is how John Banning ended
up in the interrogation room

1655
01:44:10,900 --> 01:44:14,500
talking to Dennis and Dawn.
I guess, first he talked to

1656
01:44:14,500 --> 01:44:18,100
Lambert and then to Dennis and
on John tells them how this fat

1657
01:44:18,100 --> 01:44:21,100
white guy pulled up on him and a
black Sonoma truck, offered him,

1658
01:44:21,100 --> 01:44:24,100
alcohol.
And a crack at banging hot

1659
01:44:24,100 --> 01:44:26,200
chick.
He told them exactly where

1660
01:44:26,200 --> 01:44:28,000
Ronald had taken them to make
them to.

1661
01:44:28,500 --> 01:44:33,200
And this is so weird.
But like, they all met near

1662
01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:36,100
Ronald house and I think it's
really up because you have like

1663
01:44:36,100 --> 01:44:39,800
a regular police officer with
John Banning and then you have

1664
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:45,600
two detectives in like suits,
But they don't walk up to the

1665
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:50,700
door.
In fact, what Dawn does is she

1666
01:44:50,700 --> 01:45:01,100
goes up to Or Don does is she
goes up to the mailbox and she

1667
01:45:01,100 --> 01:45:04,900
begins kind of flooding through
the mail and there's only one

1668
01:45:04,900 --> 01:45:08,600
male named in the house.
Ronald J Dominique.

1669
01:45:10,100 --> 01:45:13,800
They decide.
They go back and they decide

1670
01:45:13,800 --> 01:45:17,600
they want to make sure this is
airtight, so they decide to just

1671
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:20,200
go talk to him.
Like, knock on the door, they're

1672
01:45:20,200 --> 01:45:27,200
like, hey Ronald, um, There's
this guy who made kind of a

1673
01:45:27,200 --> 01:45:31,200
charge against you, and we just
want to talk to you about it.

1674
01:45:31,400 --> 01:45:34,300
His name's John Banning and he
like, filed a report, he's like,

1675
01:45:34,300 --> 01:45:37,000
can you talk to us at the
station and so they go in and

1676
01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:39,700
Ronald tells them that he know,
he's just in a kinky sex and he

1677
01:45:39,700 --> 01:45:41,800
was having fun with the whole
tied up thing.

1678
01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:46,200
Dennis asks, run up to take a
lie detector test and for the

1679
01:45:46,200 --> 01:45:49,800
first time in their interview
Ronald gets pissed and he's like

1680
01:45:49,800 --> 01:45:52,500
what's all this about?
And then it's just tries to play

1681
01:45:52,500 --> 01:45:53,400
it off.
Cool, listen.

1682
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:55,000
To Dominique.
We're just trying to clear these

1683
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:56,800
cases.
We're working on, if you can

1684
01:45:56,800 --> 01:45:58,700
help us, that would be
wonderful.

1685
01:46:00,200 --> 01:46:04,300
So he agrees to the polygraph
then Dawn, it's just like, you

1686
01:46:04,300 --> 01:46:08,900
know, it would help us a lot if
you sign this consent form.

1687
01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:17,300
And give us your DNA.
Oh God, he agrees and they take

1688
01:46:17,300 --> 01:46:20,700
a hair and saliva sample and
they thanked him over and over

1689
01:46:20,700 --> 01:46:23,100
again and send him on his way.
And if you listen to the podcast

1690
01:46:23,100 --> 01:46:27,900
a lot, you're like wait, what?
Well, okay, so it's weird that

1691
01:46:27,900 --> 01:46:30,900
he was so agreeable.
But also the other weird thing

1692
01:46:30,900 --> 01:46:32,800
is that they had to ask
permission to get his DNA

1693
01:46:33,100 --> 01:46:37,900
because we've had other cases,
like the Grim sleeper, where

1694
01:46:37,900 --> 01:46:39,800
they followed him to a birthday
party.

1695
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:43,700
And Told the plates and cakes
that he ate off of, right.

1696
01:46:43,700 --> 01:46:48,000
Yeah, that's because the DNA at
that time.

1697
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:52,300
They did it wasn't as advanced
as it is.

1698
01:46:52,900 --> 01:46:57,400
Today even 10 years later.
And so now we can get DNA on

1699
01:46:57,400 --> 01:47:01,000
vert off of virtually anything.
But back then we couldn't.

1700
01:47:01,000 --> 01:47:03,700
So they went for the thing that
you could get the best match on

1701
01:47:04,100 --> 01:47:10,200
which was hair spit semen.
They were like, can we can we

1702
01:47:10,200 --> 01:47:12,000
get these?
I think you can't ask him for a

1703
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:14,700
semen sample.
He wouldn't do that, but like

1704
01:47:14,700 --> 01:47:18,300
you never know, you never know.
He see that kind of guy who

1705
01:47:18,300 --> 01:47:20,700
probably give it up to Who
knows?

1706
01:47:20,900 --> 01:47:24,000
They paint John Bannon back in
and John's like no, no, no.

1707
01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:25,500
I did not willingly go to his
house.

1708
01:47:25,500 --> 01:47:28,000
I'm not even gay.
He's like I just thought the

1709
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:32,300
girl looked hot and I wanted to
see which if she was there and

1710
01:47:32,300 --> 01:47:33,700
so they asked John they're like,
okay.

1711
01:47:33,700 --> 01:47:38,100
So what if he had tried to stop
you and Johnson, it would have

1712
01:47:38,100 --> 01:47:43,600
been like the Civil War He click
yes.

1713
01:47:43,800 --> 01:47:45,200
No, no.
So this is where he says Pearl

1714
01:47:45,200 --> 01:47:47,300
Harbor.
He said it would have been Pearl

1715
01:47:47,300 --> 01:47:52,600
Harbor in that piece, sir.
Indicating that he would have

1716
01:47:52,600 --> 01:47:54,000
fought him.
Okay?

1717
01:47:55,800 --> 01:48:00,800
What a weird thing to say?
Definitely, you know, I would

1718
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:05,600
have been, like, Pearl Harbor.
They decide to go into a

1719
01:48:05,608 --> 01:48:08,400
database of crimes.
Just pulling people who were

1720
01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:11,900
charged, but never convicted.
And this is where they find

1721
01:48:11,900 --> 01:48:15,300
Ronald's charges and it sounds
very similar to what John

1722
01:48:15,300 --> 01:48:19,100
Banning told them.
They also found there were two

1723
01:48:19,100 --> 01:48:25,100
other cases of sodomy against
Ronald that had been dropped due

1724
01:48:25,100 --> 01:48:28,200
to a lack of corroborating
evidence.

1725
01:48:29,200 --> 01:48:31,400
The police are now.
The police, from those two

1726
01:48:31,400 --> 01:48:36,100
cases, who, talked around were
brought in and they definitely

1727
01:48:36,100 --> 01:48:39,200
remembered him.
It was even though it was like

1728
01:48:39,700 --> 01:48:42,500
the 80s, they've definitely
remembered him and they said

1729
01:48:42,500 --> 01:48:45,300
that he had a serious
persecution complex about being

1730
01:48:45,300 --> 01:48:48,400
gay.
So with all this information,

1731
01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:51,600
Dennis add-on, requested 24-hour
our surveillance team, and they

1732
01:48:51,608 --> 01:48:55,400
get denied.
They're like, that's too much

1733
01:48:55,400 --> 01:48:58,800
and you don't have enough to
make that worthwhile.

1734
01:49:00,300 --> 01:49:04,400
So they put a roadblock up near
the Sugar Bowl hotel since

1735
01:49:04,600 --> 01:49:08,500
multiple victims were found
there and they regularly stop

1736
01:49:08,500 --> 01:49:12,700
and search cars at random.
Now, this does cut off one of

1737
01:49:12,700 --> 01:49:17,000
his hunting sites, but Ronald
had more and the stress of being

1738
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:20,900
watched by the police, was
stressing him out.

1739
01:49:22,100 --> 01:49:27,700
November 5th, 2005, Nick Pelican
21 years old is working on his

1740
01:49:27,700 --> 01:49:30,000
home when the meter reader
arrives.

1741
01:49:31,300 --> 01:49:36,000
That meter reader is Ronald
Ronald straight up propositions

1742
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:42,200
him.
And next like I do need the

1743
01:49:42,200 --> 01:49:49,200
money and so he agrees but later
and Ronald picks him up after

1744
01:49:49,200 --> 01:49:51,100
round.
Gets off of work takes him back

1745
01:49:51,100 --> 01:49:53,500
to his trailer.
Ronald would later tell the

1746
01:49:53,500 --> 01:49:59,200
police that because his mom and
sister were down the hall, he

1747
01:49:59,200 --> 01:50:06,100
had to make sure that Nick
wouldn't scream and November

1748
01:50:06,100 --> 01:50:09,600
9th, they discover his remains
in the woods and Lafourche

1749
01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:13,700
Parish, he had been tied.
Up and to add insult to injury.

1750
01:50:14,200 --> 01:50:18,800
He had gambled and gone through
the roadblock with the dead body

1751
01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:20,900
in the back of his car.
Kidding me.

1752
01:50:21,700 --> 01:50:29,200
Ballsy is all get out.
Nick's autopsy came in the word

1753
01:50:29,200 --> 01:50:32,100
laceration, peaked Dennis's
interest.

1754
01:50:32,300 --> 01:50:35,300
He was just like, I feel like
I've been reading that word a

1755
01:50:35,300 --> 01:50:40,400
lot and so he goes through the
cases and realizes that a lot of

1756
01:50:40,407 --> 01:50:43,100
the men had lacerations Options
to their back of their head.

1757
01:50:43,200 --> 01:50:46,300
Meaning, that that was one of
the ways that Ronald was

1758
01:50:46,300 --> 01:50:48,900
subduing, them by just straight,
hitting them in the back of the

1759
01:50:48,900 --> 01:50:51,000
head with something hard.
Tying them up.

1760
01:50:55,100 --> 01:50:59,500
They focus on DNA.
The problem is DNA takes months

1761
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:02,900
but they do get a positive
match.

1762
01:51:02,900 --> 01:51:06,700
Remember all Ela Banks and how
they said that there were

1763
01:51:06,700 --> 01:51:10,700
Caucasian hairs?
Yes, yes him.

1764
01:51:11,200 --> 01:51:14,900
Yeah, they do a match but the
problem was it was mitochondrial

1765
01:51:14,900 --> 01:51:18,900
DNA, really ideally?
You want what's called nuclear

1766
01:51:18,900 --> 01:51:21,800
DNA, which is, it definitely
belongs to this one person

1767
01:51:22,300 --> 01:51:26,100
mitochondrial DNA matches.
It means that this could be from

1768
01:51:26,100 --> 01:51:29,300
anyone in Ronald's.
Only, it's not the slam dunk.

1769
01:51:29,300 --> 01:51:35,100
You want because DNA was still
very new in court, and that was

1770
01:51:35,100 --> 01:51:39,300
the kind of thing that could
have could get thrown out.

1771
01:51:39,400 --> 01:51:43,600
Okay, okay, well, hold on, hold
on a second.

1772
01:51:43,900 --> 01:51:45,800
You said it could have been
anybody in this family?

1773
01:51:45,800 --> 01:51:48,800
Do you mean like his family or
like his genus family?

1774
01:51:49,500 --> 01:51:53,800
I mean, like his actual brother
and Uncle a father.

1775
01:51:53,800 --> 01:51:56,400
Okay.
Well look, it you are you have

1776
01:51:56,400 --> 01:52:00,900
this guy Who's very suspicious?
Don't you think that you would

1777
01:52:00,900 --> 01:52:03,100
like?
All right okay this is close

1778
01:52:03,100 --> 01:52:05,100
enough to being like him, why
you don't?

1779
01:52:05,100 --> 01:52:12,000
We just like just fucking take.
Well what this did allow for was

1780
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:17,100
that 24/7 security detail.
They had asked for months ago,

1781
01:52:19,300 --> 01:52:21,800
even get approved for a
helicopter.

1782
01:52:21,800 --> 01:52:23,600
Oh my God.
Take 25.

1783
01:52:23,600 --> 01:52:28,800
Yes to follow him around and
take pictures from They didn't

1784
01:52:28,800 --> 01:52:30,900
even hide that they were
following him.

1785
01:52:32,900 --> 01:52:36,800
So as they're watching him, the
task force creates a timeline

1786
01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:40,000
for all the victims.
And they're trying to see, you

1787
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:45,000
know, based on like the yearly
taxes, where Ronald is working

1788
01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:48,700
in relationship to where the
victims are picked up and where

1789
01:52:48,700 --> 01:52:53,500
they're dropped off and it's
looking really good, honestly,

1790
01:52:53,800 --> 01:52:56,900
he's, he's always in range of
these people.

1791
01:53:00,200 --> 01:53:02,600
And the task force kind of kept
watching it, like is he going to

1792
01:53:02,600 --> 01:53:06,600
run away?
Is he going to stay, you know,

1793
01:53:06,600 --> 01:53:09,300
summer of 2006.
They get their second DNA hat.

1794
01:53:09,600 --> 01:53:13,300
Angel Mejia that was based on
semen.

1795
01:53:14,100 --> 01:53:20,500
Another mitochondrial match.
They're just at this point,

1796
01:53:20,500 --> 01:53:21,800
they're watching.
They're looking to see if he

1797
01:53:21,800 --> 01:53:25,800
does anything ridiculous.
Well, in October of 2006, he

1798
01:53:25,800 --> 01:53:30,100
slips his police detail and
kills Christopher center field.

1799
01:53:31,300 --> 01:53:34,300
He was 27 years old and just
like Nick also white.

1800
01:53:34,300 --> 01:53:38,000
It was almost like he was
changing his Mo to be like,

1801
01:53:38,000 --> 01:53:40,600
look, see?
That guy was killing black,

1802
01:53:40,600 --> 01:53:43,600
guys.
This new guys killing white,

1803
01:53:43,600 --> 01:53:45,400
guys.
Different God.

1804
01:53:45,400 --> 01:53:50,500
Yeah, no idea.
Are you think Ryan 23andMe,

1805
01:53:51,400 --> 01:53:54,700
pretty much they're now calling
it investigative genealogy.

1806
01:53:54,900 --> 01:54:00,400
Essentially, they were able to
connect DNA of the killer to

1807
01:54:00,400 --> 01:54:06,300
someone in a DNA, a genealogy
database and that's how they

1808
01:54:06,300 --> 01:54:11,700
were to find it really there.
What they're doing now at this

1809
01:54:11,700 --> 01:54:15,600
point is he has a pretty
extensive criminal record

1810
01:54:15,700 --> 01:54:19,500
between 1963 and 1998.
Eight and so Indiana state.

1811
01:54:19,500 --> 01:54:22,600
Police are looking to see if he
did anything else.

1812
01:54:22,600 --> 01:54:26,300
Honestly, if they can connect
him to any other missing persons

1813
01:54:26,800 --> 01:54:29,600
were there any other motels that
he might have stopped by, and

1814
01:54:29,600 --> 01:54:32,400
people went missing.
So, this isn't over.

1815
01:54:32,400 --> 01:54:36,300
They just know the name, they
called him, the I-65 killer, and

1816
01:54:36,300 --> 01:54:40,200
the thing is, I 65 runs from
Gary Indiana, all the way down

1817
01:54:40,200 --> 01:54:42,900
to the Gulf of Mexico.
So we're talking of a hundreds

1818
01:54:42,900 --> 01:54:46,900
of miles on the East Coast where
he could have stopped and killed

1819
01:54:46,900 --> 01:54:50,000
people as well.
Also there's no guarantee that

1820
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:52,800
it just stops at these three
murders in one assault.

1821
01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:58,000
God can you come here?
Hoping, they're hoping they can

1822
01:54:58,000 --> 01:55:02,800
close them, some cases and give
people some closure and finding

1823
01:55:02,800 --> 01:55:04,100
out what happened to their loved
ones.

1824
01:55:05,300 --> 01:55:08,600
They also called him the days in
killer because apparently he

1825
01:55:08,600 --> 01:55:11,400
was, he like to stop at that
Motel sometime.

1826
01:55:11,400 --> 01:55:12,300
God.
No.

1827
01:55:12,300 --> 01:55:15,000
Not that easy.
Yeah.

1828
01:55:18,100 --> 01:55:21,100
Are there any other state police
weren't actually able to get

1829
01:55:21,200 --> 01:55:26,600
permission to use that database?
The investigative genealogy

1830
01:55:26,600 --> 01:55:31,500
until 2019?
So this is still really, really

1831
01:55:31,500 --> 01:55:36,400
new.
That's they never had a suspect

1832
01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:40,600
or anyone before this, they just
had rant.

1833
01:55:40,600 --> 01:55:43,200
Like they just had DNA that they
could link to anybody.

1834
01:55:43,200 --> 01:55:46,700
Hmm.
So I think we're just going to

1835
01:55:46,700 --> 01:55:51,500
keep happening.
So yeah, it works you This one's

1836
01:55:51,500 --> 01:55:53,500
slightly.
This is like the they're if

1837
01:55:53,500 --> 01:55:57,600
they're at a dead end when they
have elected DNA evidence and

1838
01:55:57,600 --> 01:56:00,500
stuff like that and nothing that
connected to this is like the

1839
01:56:00,500 --> 01:56:04,100
thing they go to.
Now, like we learned And with

1840
01:56:04,100 --> 01:56:09,700
the one case I think it was not
just I'll call you with the Grim

1841
01:56:09,700 --> 01:56:14,400
sleeper you in order to get
access to do that.

1842
01:56:16,600 --> 01:56:21,800
You have to have used every
other form of policing, right

1843
01:56:22,300 --> 01:56:25,800
before they will allow you
access to, what is millions of

1844
01:56:25,800 --> 01:56:29,300
people's DNA.
And a lot of people feel, a lot

1845
01:56:29,300 --> 01:56:31,500
of ways about it.
It's one of the reasons why I've

1846
01:56:31,500 --> 01:56:35,500
never actually done a DNA test.
I would like to know what

1847
01:56:35,500 --> 01:56:38,300
percentage is what percentage.
But also on the other hand, I'm

1848
01:56:38,300 --> 01:56:41,800
like, do I want to know?
If somebody I'm related to is a

1849
01:56:41,808 --> 01:56:45,600
killer, Nah.
Nah, that's okay.

1850
01:56:47,100 --> 01:56:49,400
Now I got to rethink that
relationship.

1851
01:56:50,800 --> 01:56:53,500
Can you imagine what it was like
when Dennis readers daughter

1852
01:56:53,600 --> 01:56:57,200
found out that her dad was the
BTK killer?

1853
01:56:58,500 --> 01:57:02,600
I can't imagine.
I'll want that on my heart.

1854
01:57:03,100 --> 01:57:06,800
That's okay.
But what's your true crime case

1855
01:57:06,800 --> 01:57:10,300
this week Brian?
Okay, so apparently the story

1856
01:57:10,300 --> 01:57:13,300
has been going around and I'm
pretty sure if you guys have

1857
01:57:13,300 --> 01:57:18,100
been paying attention to True
Crime News, you've heard this as

1858
01:57:18,100 --> 01:57:23,600
well.
So there was an incident.

1859
01:57:23,600 --> 01:57:28,400
I guess we can only fans model
where she allegedly stabbed her

1860
01:57:28,400 --> 01:57:34,100
boyfriend to death, in their
apartment, Julie, Brian, I've

1861
01:57:34,100 --> 01:57:38,900
seen the photos on TMZ.
Homegirl is covered head to toe

1862
01:57:38,900 --> 01:57:42,100
in blood.
It is horrific.

1863
01:57:42,100 --> 01:57:45,000
One of my friends is in Miami
and was literally like I've been

1864
01:57:45,000 --> 01:57:48,400
in Miami for two weeks because
she's she's down there, looking

1865
01:57:48,400 --> 01:57:50,400
at like she has a business It's
and I guess she's trying to

1866
01:57:50,407 --> 01:57:53,000
expand and its potential.
She might be able to run her

1867
01:57:53,000 --> 01:57:54,300
business down there.
I'll miss her.

1868
01:57:54,300 --> 01:57:56,200
If she actually, they're one of
our sponsors.

1869
01:57:57,400 --> 01:57:59,400
Oh, really?
The bakery?

1870
01:57:59,400 --> 01:58:01,900
Yeah.
She's in Miami right now at your

1871
01:58:01,900 --> 01:58:03,900
service meet Cafe.
Yep.

1872
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:06,100
I think I don't know if they're
going to be stimmy temporary or

1873
01:58:06,100 --> 01:58:07,300
something.
But they've been down there for

1874
01:58:07,300 --> 01:58:10,100
a while, but she definitely was
like she posted on Facebook.

1875
01:58:10,100 --> 01:58:12,000
She's like, I watch a lot of
CSI.

1876
01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:14,900
Miami before I came down here
and now I think there's

1877
01:58:14,900 --> 01:58:16,700
definitely a murder that just
happened.

1878
01:58:16,700 --> 01:58:24,500
I'm like, Bro.
So I'm like dang but yeah, like

1879
01:58:24,500 --> 01:58:27,700
it.
Yeah, I saw the picture soon as

1880
01:58:27,700 --> 01:58:29,900
like it's not legit like you
did.

1881
01:58:30,700 --> 01:58:35,400
It says a legend in this news
article so it's somebody's

1882
01:58:35,400 --> 01:58:37,100
blood.
Is it somebody's blood, who

1883
01:58:37,100 --> 01:58:39,500
knows?
Yeah.

1884
01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:46,300
So influence our her name is
Courtney claiming she's plenty

1885
01:58:46,300 --> 01:58:49,500
plenty in another name when she
was Is doing her only thing.

1886
01:58:49,600 --> 01:58:54,100
Yeah, it's a Courtney Taylor was
her other her suit for whatever

1887
01:58:54,100 --> 01:58:58,800
her stage name and interesting
question, why would you make

1888
01:58:58,800 --> 01:59:00,300
your stage name?
So close to your real name?

1889
01:59:00,300 --> 01:59:04,200
I don't know.
Like, I definitely change it all

1890
01:59:04,200 --> 01:59:06,600
thing first and last name.
Yep, absolutely.

1891
01:59:07,200 --> 01:59:10,100
I don't know my name.
My brain just said Isabella

1892
01:59:10,100 --> 01:59:12,600
demise.
That's so not a good name but

1893
01:59:12,600 --> 01:59:17,000
it's what popped into my head.
Gold Leaf is looking up.

1894
01:59:17,000 --> 01:59:19,300
She's probably there already.
Right.

1895
01:59:19,400 --> 01:59:22,400
Yeah, it's probably like I saw
that somewhere on Twitter.

1896
01:59:23,800 --> 01:59:25,100
Oh my God.
But yeah.

1897
01:59:25,100 --> 01:59:29,300
She's yeah.
She's 25 years old and her her

1898
01:59:29,300 --> 01:59:31,500
boyfriend.
His name was Christian.

1899
01:59:32,000 --> 01:59:33,200
I don't know.
I don't know how to pronounce

1900
01:59:33,200 --> 01:59:34,800
his last name.
I know he's African.

1901
01:59:34,800 --> 01:59:40,400
So he yeah, French last name.
Yeah he does and he's 27 but

1902
01:59:40,400 --> 01:59:43,800
yeah the cops they responded to
a 911 call around, you know,

1903
01:59:43,800 --> 01:59:48,200
5:00 on Sunday at you know, at
their apartment.

1904
01:59:48,300 --> 01:59:53,500
And this is like pretty said in
Miami Florida and they say they

1905
01:59:53,500 --> 01:59:56,300
found her boyfriend.
He was stabbed once in the

1906
01:59:56,300 --> 02:00:00,100
shoulder.
That's it is.

1907
02:00:00,100 --> 02:00:02,000
That's what it says.
It's.

1908
02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:09,900
Where is that blood?
The way that it was like, posted

1909
02:00:09,900 --> 02:00:12,200
all over social media over the
last couple days.

1910
02:00:12,200 --> 02:00:15,000
It's like she stabbed him to
death.

1911
02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:16,700
Like there were multiple
stabbings.

1912
02:00:17,900 --> 02:00:21,600
You know what I mean?
Yeah, like 11 stabbed was Otto,

1913
02:00:21,600 --> 02:00:23,700
dang.
Yeah.

1914
02:00:24,800 --> 02:00:28,900
It must have been like a really
deep wound or somewhere like

1915
02:00:29,100 --> 02:00:30,700
that.
Lets you the artery right.

1916
02:00:30,700 --> 02:00:33,700
Ye are exactly.
That's one thing for there to be

1917
02:00:33,700 --> 02:00:36,400
that kind of a spray that it's
all over her face.

1918
02:00:36,400 --> 02:00:38,900
Chase chest and legs.
That's a no.

1919
02:00:38,900 --> 02:00:41,400
That's an arterial spray.
Yeah.

1920
02:00:41,400 --> 02:00:43,300
Yeah yeah.
That's that's why all of them

1921
02:00:43,300 --> 02:00:44,200
blood.
Yep.

1922
02:00:44,200 --> 02:00:47,300
That's rather but come from
that's the only way if it was

1923
02:00:47,300 --> 02:00:48,900
only One time.
Wow.

1924
02:00:48,900 --> 02:00:50,100
See the way the media was
returning.

1925
02:00:50,100 --> 02:00:54,200
It was that she like went full
like Jason Voorhees.

1926
02:00:57,700 --> 02:00:59,900
But yeah, he died at the
hospital.

1927
02:00:59,900 --> 02:01:01,400
Actually, he didn't even die.
There.

1928
02:01:01,400 --> 02:01:05,200
He was still alive.
Yeah, he he died at the

1929
02:01:05,200 --> 02:01:08,000
hospital.
Like I said, the first thing

1930
02:01:08,000 --> 02:01:13,800
that I saw was the TMZ pictures.
The somebody took from like

1931
02:01:13,800 --> 02:01:16,700
their apartment building across
from her.

1932
02:01:16,700 --> 02:01:19,700
The other apartment building.
Yeah, we can see, right clearly.

1933
02:01:19,900 --> 02:01:24,600
She's like sitting on the ground
cuffed and there's blood on her

1934
02:01:24,600 --> 02:01:30,800
face, her little tube. be top
her sweat pants are soaked, like

1935
02:01:32,800 --> 02:01:36,300
So, I assumed homeboy was dead
dead before the police even got

1936
02:01:36,300 --> 02:01:38,300
there.
Yeah.

1937
02:01:39,000 --> 02:01:42,100
Wow.
Yeah, yeah, it's wild how the

1938
02:01:42,100 --> 02:01:48,400
media portrays things they got
me.

1939
02:01:48,600 --> 02:01:52,400
Yeah, that's all I saw.
I didn't look any other articles

1940
02:01:52,400 --> 02:01:55,600
I was like, oh, look at that.
White girl killed a black man.

1941
02:01:56,100 --> 02:01:58,300
That's that's what drew me into
it.

1942
02:01:58,300 --> 02:02:01,900
I was like, God kid.
Here we go again, I'm so sorry.

1943
02:02:03,700 --> 02:02:07,400
But yeah, they said there's the
cops.

1944
02:02:08,300 --> 02:02:11,200
That there was obviously like a
physical altercation before

1945
02:02:11,800 --> 02:02:20,000
she's she he was stabbed.
So, So, like people, people like

1946
02:02:20,100 --> 02:02:23,700
that, who are her friends, AP,
said that they've seen him hit

1947
02:02:23,700 --> 02:02:28,500
her and stuff like that.
Like yeah, you know, if you girl

1948
02:02:28,500 --> 02:02:32,500
getting just be oh wait, no, no,
no, my bad.

1949
02:02:32,700 --> 02:02:37,800
I read the wrong.
It says we seen her hit him and

1950
02:02:37,800 --> 02:02:43,300
that I've never yeah.
I've never seen him hit her.

1951
02:02:43,800 --> 02:02:47,500
Gotcha, so obvious.
Asleep must have been something

1952
02:02:47,500 --> 02:02:50,700
that she was doing.
Yeah.

1953
02:02:50,700 --> 02:02:53,900
See this popped up on my
Facebook timeline because people

1954
02:02:53,900 --> 02:02:59,400
pulled a lot of his really like
rude posts and Tweets.

1955
02:02:59,400 --> 02:03:04,500
We're like like, you know, rest
in peace, he did die in.

1956
02:03:04,500 --> 02:03:07,800
That is sad, but apparently, he
was one of those people who

1957
02:03:07,800 --> 02:03:13,300
thought that, if he could net
himself a beautiful white woman

1958
02:03:13,300 --> 02:03:15,700
that made him a better person
than everybody else.

1959
02:03:16,100 --> 02:03:19,800
You know, and it's kind of
crappy to treat your partner to

1960
02:03:19,800 --> 02:03:22,700
put them on a pedestal like that
it's not fair to the person

1961
02:03:22,800 --> 02:03:25,500
who's being idolized but it's
also real crappy.

1962
02:03:25,500 --> 02:03:30,100
When every opportunity you get
you trash talk every other group

1963
02:03:30,100 --> 02:03:31,500
of women, right?
Yeah.

1964
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:34,700
So like he couldn't just be
like, wow, I really love my

1965
02:03:34,700 --> 02:03:37,100
girlfriend.
It would be like I can't stand

1966
02:03:37,100 --> 02:03:38,900
black girls, blah, blah, blah,
blah blah.

1967
02:03:38,900 --> 02:03:44,000
And I'm like, dude, nobody asked
you like the such a, it's such a

1968
02:03:44,000 --> 02:03:46,200
weird thing.
And a lot of people Like a lot

1969
02:03:46,200 --> 02:03:49,700
of do do this online and I'm
just like love who you love.

1970
02:03:49,700 --> 02:03:52,000
You ain't got a tear everybody
else down, right?

1971
02:03:52,100 --> 02:03:55,500
Like and I gotta I gotta be
wrong with you.

1972
02:03:55,500 --> 02:03:57,400
I was like that too.
And so one of my friends was

1973
02:03:57,400 --> 02:03:59,900
like, you know, when you say
things like real women have

1974
02:03:59,900 --> 02:04:01,500
curves, it kind of makes me feel
sad.

1975
02:04:01,800 --> 02:04:04,400
And I was like, oh dang, I
thought this was just, you know,

1976
02:04:04,400 --> 02:04:08,500
like the fat girl, you know,
acceptance rock.

1977
02:04:08,500 --> 02:04:11,100
All right.
Not thinking that like you know,

1978
02:04:11,100 --> 02:04:13,000
all women are real, women,
doesn't matter what you look

1979
02:04:13,000 --> 02:04:16,400
like, you know, This is true, my
best friends.

1980
02:04:16,400 --> 02:04:18,800
And so I adjusted the way that I
speak about certain things, like

1981
02:04:18,800 --> 02:04:21,100
I like, what I like, and I will
say that I, like the things that

1982
02:04:21,100 --> 02:04:22,500
I like, but I'll need to talk
about things.

1983
02:04:22,500 --> 02:04:25,100
I don't like, but regardless.
So, that's how he popped up on

1984
02:04:25,100 --> 02:04:27,400
my timeline.
And then when I looked him up, I

1985
02:04:27,400 --> 02:04:30,500
saw the TMZ article but like so,
where is home girl?

1986
02:04:30,500 --> 02:04:34,100
Right now, I'm guessing some
police station, or at least she

1987
02:04:34,100 --> 02:04:37,000
got booked and bail or
something.

1988
02:04:37,000 --> 02:04:44,400
Okay, so here's a story birdie
so miss Courtney, you know, she

1989
02:04:44,400 --> 02:04:48,200
was the team Are police station,
you know, after, you know, she

1990
02:04:48,200 --> 02:04:51,500
was after the stabbing and, you
know, they found her and stuff

1991
02:04:51,500 --> 02:04:54,600
like that after a while.
You know, she started saying

1992
02:04:54,600 --> 02:04:56,500
that, you know, she's sort of
saying, you know, I'm a kill

1993
02:04:56,500 --> 02:05:01,200
myself.
I'm gonna live myself stuff like

1994
02:05:01,200 --> 02:05:03,400
that.
Well, it's okay, we're not on

1995
02:05:03,400 --> 02:05:05,800
Tick-Tock, you can actually
hear.

1996
02:05:06,200 --> 02:05:08,500
It's just on other platforms, we
have to come up with creative

1997
02:05:08,500 --> 02:05:11,200
ways to say killed yourself,
right?

1998
02:05:11,200 --> 02:05:13,900
Right.
Anti bullying.

1999
02:05:14,100 --> 02:05:21,500
And Apparently in Florida, there
is an act that protects people.

2000
02:05:21,500 --> 02:05:22,700
I don't say don't say, you
forget me.

2001
02:05:22,700 --> 02:05:26,200
It protects people, obviously
like okay, and it's called The

2002
02:05:26,200 --> 02:05:31,400
Baker Act, okay?
Well, and it allows law

2003
02:05:31,800 --> 02:05:35,000
enforcement as well as doctors
mental health professionals and

2004
02:05:35,000 --> 02:05:39,100
judges to commit a person to a
mental health treatment center

2005
02:05:39,100 --> 02:05:44,300
for up to 72 hours.
If a certain violent or Suicidal

2006
02:05:44,300 --> 02:05:50,000
Tendencies, These are displayed.
Okay so she's on a she's on what

2007
02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:52,500
you call it I guess.
Suicide watch mandatory hold.

2008
02:05:52,500 --> 02:05:55,900
Yeah, there you go.
Okay and this happened a couple

2009
02:05:55,900 --> 02:05:58,000
of okay but this was last
Friday.

2010
02:05:59,400 --> 02:06:04,900
So it's been a week. 72 hours is
less than a week where she now

2011
02:06:04,900 --> 02:06:07,800
Brian.
It's I think she's still at the

2012
02:06:07,800 --> 02:06:10,300
cheese.
Still at the mental institution.

2013
02:06:10,800 --> 02:06:12,700
Oh, come on.
He's still there.

2014
02:06:13,200 --> 02:06:14,200
She's dead.
Okay.

2015
02:06:14,500 --> 02:06:17,300
She was just, she probably does
need mental health care.

2016
02:06:17,300 --> 02:06:24,800
She just stabbed a man, but like
Um, okay so she's not he hasn't

2017
02:06:24,800 --> 02:06:26,100
been arraigned.
No.

2018
02:06:26,100 --> 02:06:28,400
So she was detained on April
3rd.

2019
02:06:29,700 --> 02:06:31,200
It did.
Oh wait.

2020
02:06:31,300 --> 02:06:32,600
Okay.
So this actually was it last

2021
02:06:32,600 --> 02:06:36,800
week?
This was today's the day.

2022
02:06:36,900 --> 02:06:37,300
Yeah.
Okay.

2023
02:06:37,300 --> 02:06:39,200
So it's been five days since
this happened.

2024
02:06:39,300 --> 02:06:42,000
Yeah.
But so she's you know it still

2025
02:06:42,000 --> 02:06:44,300
hold onto her.
Yeah, it's funny because it says

2026
02:06:44,300 --> 02:06:50,200
that her her content was still
uploaded on the fourth after she

2027
02:06:50,200 --> 02:06:51,900
was a team.
I mean, you can schedule post to

2028
02:06:51,900 --> 02:06:56,300
be update.
Yeah, yeah yeah yeah, yeah, it's

2029
02:06:56,300 --> 02:06:59,300
a thing that can happen.
Like so at the moment she's a

2030
02:06:59,400 --> 02:07:02,500
Not face any charges for her
boyfriend's.

2031
02:07:02,500 --> 02:07:05,900
Death at all or his murder.
Okay.

2032
02:07:06,400 --> 02:07:12,200
I mean, okay and like is that's
the thing that when I saw his I

2033
02:07:12,208 --> 02:07:13,800
was like, what the fuck you
talking about it?

2034
02:07:13,800 --> 02:07:18,000
She like obviously killed him.
Why is Sheena might get charges

2035
02:07:18,000 --> 02:07:22,600
once she gets out of the suicide
watch.

2036
02:07:22,700 --> 02:07:33,200
Yeah, it just it just like when
I saw it, I was like Here we go

2037
02:07:33,200 --> 02:07:38,500
again.
That's wild and listen like I

2038
02:07:38,500 --> 02:07:41,500
know that the majority of our
listeners are women and I'm sure

2039
02:07:41,500 --> 02:07:44,800
a lot of you are white women.
So obviously, I'm not talking

2040
02:07:44,800 --> 02:07:49,800
about you.
But historically relationships

2041
02:07:49,800 --> 02:07:55,600
with white women and black men
have not always been the best

2042
02:07:56,800 --> 02:08:01,600
know.
I remember this is a personal

2043
02:08:01,600 --> 02:08:05,800
story for me.
Because I remember like, when I

2044
02:08:05,808 --> 02:08:09,000
was younger or like, I don't
know, start starting to date

2045
02:08:09,000 --> 02:08:12,000
and, you know, and, you know,
tell him I like him.

2046
02:08:22,800 --> 02:08:29,000
Okay.
Okay.

2047
02:08:44,000 --> 02:08:46,600
Took it.
Yeah.

2048
02:08:46,800 --> 02:08:48,300
Oh no.
How would you define that time

2049
02:08:48,300 --> 02:08:52,100
of your life?
I was it was it was like my

2050
02:08:52,100 --> 02:08:55,900
first girlfriend, my first
actual girlfriend and I was just

2051
02:08:55,900 --> 02:09:02,600
like, I'm done in love Bubble,
blah, own protector of those

2052
02:09:02,600 --> 02:09:04,600
know, you guys don't know what
you're talking about.

2053
02:09:05,400 --> 02:09:07,000
She was like cheating on you and
stuff.

2054
02:09:07,200 --> 02:09:16,900
Yeah just personally like It's
like one of those things I was

2055
02:09:16,900 --> 02:09:20,800
watching a Lovecraft country
last year and it occurred to me,

2056
02:09:20,800 --> 02:09:23,300
just this pop into my head.
While I was watching the show,

2057
02:09:23,500 --> 02:09:25,900
the people who make our laws
right now and grew up during Jim

2058
02:09:25,900 --> 02:09:29,000
Crow.
That makes me feel very

2059
02:09:29,000 --> 02:09:34,300
uncomfortable and make that
their formative years were when

2060
02:09:34,300 --> 02:09:39,900
it was okay to Lynch somebody.
So I think I won't feel like it

2061
02:09:39,900 --> 02:09:42,300
feels weird to be like, maybe
I'll feel better when the

2062
02:09:42,300 --> 02:09:45,200
boomers are gone.
People like, I don't know, but

2063
02:09:45,200 --> 02:09:47,900
like like, we're still connected
to all these times.

2064
02:09:47,900 --> 02:09:50,800
Historically, were terrible
things happen to black people

2065
02:09:51,000 --> 02:09:54,900
and so I still feel that caution
and obviously some people don't

2066
02:09:57,200 --> 02:09:59,500
Well, like we still live in a
world where, you know, if you're

2067
02:09:59,500 --> 02:10:04,000
cute and blond you can get away
with murder so far.

2068
02:10:04,000 --> 02:10:06,100
I hope she does it.
I hope that after they release

2069
02:10:06,100 --> 02:10:09,200
her she does face the
consequences of her actions

2070
02:10:09,200 --> 02:10:14,300
because him choosing to be in a
abusive relationship.

2071
02:10:14,300 --> 02:10:16,200
Should not have been the end of
his life, right?

2072
02:10:16,200 --> 02:10:18,000
Absolutely.
He should have had the

2073
02:10:18,000 --> 02:10:21,800
opportunity to get out and get
help and heard you the same.

2074
02:10:22,300 --> 02:10:25,600
And, you know, ultimately, when
these things happen, everybody

2075
02:10:25,600 --> 02:10:28,400
involved, the one person's Dead.
The other person goes to jail

2076
02:10:28,400 --> 02:10:33,900
and nothing gets better.
And it's sad because he was just

2077
02:10:33,900 --> 02:10:36,400
like, I guess a week away from
turning 28.

2078
02:10:36,400 --> 02:10:39,900
So it's just life, cut short.
Yeah.

2079
02:10:40,200 --> 02:10:42,600
And the other thing is that this
does highlight like you know I

2080
02:10:42,600 --> 02:10:45,800
make some some silly jokes but
this does highlight another

2081
02:10:45,800 --> 02:10:51,800
situation where her friends said
she hits him so he was in a

2082
02:10:51,800 --> 02:10:55,300
position.
He's in a situation where There

2083
02:10:55,300 --> 02:10:58,100
was no good ending other than
him, just walking away.

2084
02:10:58,400 --> 02:11:02,000
Because if he hits her back he's
going to prison as a black man

2085
02:11:02,000 --> 02:11:06,200
who had a white woman.
He does nothing, he ends up

2086
02:11:06,200 --> 02:11:11,700
dying like the only the only
solution here was for him to do

2087
02:11:11,700 --> 02:11:16,300
the hardest thing to do when
you're being abused which is a

2088
02:11:16,308 --> 02:11:18,200
wave.
The person you love.

2089
02:11:18,300 --> 02:11:22,700
Yeah. and you know, I can't be
too judgmental there because I

2090
02:11:22,700 --> 02:11:24,300
went through it myself so did
you

2091
02:11:39,700 --> 02:11:43,300
But today's case is one, that
despite the death toll there,

2092
02:11:43,300 --> 02:11:45,800
just wasn't a whole lot of
information about it.

2093
02:11:46,000 --> 02:11:49,800
This guy began killing in 1997.
He wasn't called until you were

2094
02:11:49,800 --> 02:11:51,900
a senior in high school Brian.
Oh my God.

2095
02:11:53,200 --> 02:11:57,000
Yeah, that this happened very
much a during our life.

2096
02:11:58,000 --> 02:12:01,600
Wait, when you were 2006 right?
Yeah, that's when I graduated.

2097
02:12:01,900 --> 02:12:05,700
Yep.
He was an outcast, a misfit.

2098
02:12:05,700 --> 02:12:08,800
But he also went under the radar
for about nine years.

2099
02:12:09,000 --> 02:12:11,300
If I say the name, Ronald
Dominique.

2100
02:12:11,300 --> 02:12:17,200
Does that mean anything to you?
No, really, that's okay.

2101
02:12:17,200 --> 02:12:20,200
His other name was the Bay.
You the BIOS trenkler.

2102
02:12:22,700 --> 02:12:25,000
It's been a little over a year
since I discuss any killers from

2103
02:12:25,000 --> 02:12:27,200
Louisiana and I got to be really
honest.

2104
02:12:27,200 --> 02:12:31,100
I needed a break from the very
confusing criss-crossing,

2105
02:12:31,100 --> 02:12:35,100
killers of California.
The last three cases

2106
02:12:35,100 --> 02:12:37,700
inadvertently.
Like there were just crisscross

2107
02:12:37,700 --> 02:12:43,900
over and cases on happening.
Concurrently just Cal, covering

2108
02:12:43,900 --> 02:12:45,800
California, Killers is
stressful.

2109
02:12:46,100 --> 02:12:49,200
So today we're going to talk
about a guy that no one really

2110
02:12:49,200 --> 02:12:53,600
expected much from.
Well, Louisiana obviously got a

2111
02:12:53,608 --> 02:12:54,700
little bit more than they
bargained.

2112
02:12:54,700 --> 02:13:02,000
For Ronald Joseph, Dominique was
born, January 9th 1964, had a

2113
02:13:02,008 --> 02:13:04,600
very small town in Louisiana
called Thibodeau.

2114
02:13:05,300 --> 02:13:08,400
He was one of six children
Thibodeau is a really small town

2115
02:13:08,400 --> 02:13:11,300
than and even now it only has
15,000 people who live there

2116
02:13:11,300 --> 02:13:13,700
today.
Ronald grew.

2117
02:13:13,700 --> 02:13:17,300
Like he was born right on the
cusp of change in the entire

2118
02:13:17,300 --> 02:13:20,900
country.
But he was a poor white kid from

2119
02:13:20,900 --> 02:13:23,400
a poor, white family, in a
trailer park, and a poverty

2120
02:13:23,400 --> 02:13:27,000
stricken town.
So, change change.

2121
02:13:27,000 --> 02:13:31,400
What's happened in other places?
Now, his immediate childhood

2122
02:13:31,400 --> 02:13:33,800
wasn't traumatic, there's
absolutely nothing that pops up

2123
02:13:33,800 --> 02:13:36,500
in any of the history books.
But sometime during Elementary

2124
02:13:36,500 --> 02:13:39,900
School to rumors, began to
circulate and both of them were

2125
02:13:39,900 --> 02:13:42,400
pretty terrible.
The first one was that there was

2126
02:13:42,400 --> 02:13:45,600
incest going on in the Dominique
household and that Ronald had

2127
02:13:45,600 --> 02:13:48,400
walked in on his mother and one
of his brothers.

2128
02:13:49,200 --> 02:13:51,900
The other was that Ronald told
his parents that a priest,

2129
02:13:51,900 --> 02:13:55,000
molested him and his parents
didn't believe him.

2130
02:13:55,000 --> 02:13:57,700
And of course we all learned
decades later, but across the

2131
02:13:57,700 --> 02:13:59,700
country, the Catholic church had
conspired.

2132
02:13:59,800 --> 02:14:02,300
You're too high pedophilia when
it was in its ranks, right?

2133
02:14:02,300 --> 02:14:05,500
So it's plausible that this did
happen to him when he was small.

2134
02:14:06,100 --> 02:14:09,100
And if you're wondering why I
haven't mentioned a lots of his

2135
02:14:09,100 --> 02:14:13,200
brothers or sisters or even his
mother and father by name, I

2136
02:14:13,200 --> 02:14:16,900
have no less than 10 resources
for this week, and they don't

2137
02:14:16,900 --> 02:14:20,000
mention his family's names
really, which lets me know that

2138
02:14:20,000 --> 02:14:22,300
these people don't want to be
known, huh?

2139
02:14:22,300 --> 02:14:26,500
Occasionally, a name of a sister
or a brother pops up later on in

2140
02:14:26,500 --> 02:14:29,800
the story.
But like, apparently people did

2141
02:14:29,800 --> 02:14:33,600
not want to be known as being
connected to this man.

2142
02:14:35,800 --> 02:14:41,100
Now, the incest rumors and the
molestation are huge part of his

2143
02:14:41,100 --> 02:14:44,500
childhood in pre-adolescence,
and they definitely have Bay are

2144
02:14:44,500 --> 02:14:47,100
probably the first time he was
introduced to the concepts of

2145
02:14:47,100 --> 02:14:51,800
sex and sexual deviancy, which
didn't help him grow up better.

2146
02:14:52,100 --> 02:14:55,700
And he walked his way into
adolescence feeling inadequate

2147
02:14:55,700 --> 02:14:59,700
and I can adequate and
struggling with his appearance

2148
02:14:59,800 --> 02:15:05,600
and the beginning feelings of
homosexuality, He was a weird

2149
02:15:05,600 --> 02:15:09,000
kid and there was an air of
absurdity about him.

2150
02:15:09,600 --> 02:15:13,700
Like when you talk to Ronald, he
was always putting on a little

2151
02:15:13,700 --> 02:15:17,200
show for anyone watching.
This was him trying to like

2152
02:15:21,000 --> 02:15:24,500
Trying to find a way to kind of
mitigate the bullying make

2153
02:15:24,500 --> 02:15:27,800
people laugh.
Using the Glee Club he sang in

2154
02:15:27,800 --> 02:15:34,800
choir.
And that behavior was enough for

2155
02:15:34,800 --> 02:15:39,200
his peers to label him as gay.
What really, uh-huh.

2156
02:15:39,800 --> 02:15:45,500
What I was supposed to be the
Glee Club when I was nice.

2157
02:15:48,800 --> 02:15:55,300
Okay, okay.
He never did anyone openly and

2158
02:15:55,300 --> 02:15:59,100
he was actively hiding any
homosexuality from his peers but

2159
02:15:59,100 --> 02:16:06,700
it did not matter. he did the
painful process of masking

2160
02:16:06,700 --> 02:16:11,100
hilly, really was to appear in
normal and the other Factor was

2161
02:16:11,100 --> 02:16:14,300
that even without people calling
him gay, he was also overweight

2162
02:16:14,800 --> 02:16:18,400
and he didn't exactly, Look
good.

2163
02:16:20,000 --> 02:16:23,100
He had meddling grades and he
graduated from Thibodaux High

2164
02:16:23,100 --> 02:16:27,400
School in 1983.
Now, he kind of played with the

2165
02:16:27,407 --> 02:16:30,800
concept of college for a bit and
running and rolls and nickel

2166
02:16:30,800 --> 02:16:33,500
State University and Thibodeau.
For computer science.

2167
02:16:34,299 --> 02:16:36,400
Ronald did not focus on school
at all.

2168
02:16:38,200 --> 02:16:42,000
He was enchanted by the openly
gay population of students and

2169
02:16:42,000 --> 02:16:44,100
all the different organizations
he could join.

2170
02:16:44,900 --> 02:16:51,799
It was okay to be out at school.
Well, not quite the gay

2171
02:16:51,799 --> 02:16:56,799
community in Louisiana wasn't
its egg form, very small and a

2172
02:16:56,799 --> 02:17:02,600
very specific type of person
that they was allowed to be out

2173
02:17:02,600 --> 02:17:05,400
and proud.
And I'll just be blunt.

2174
02:17:06,400 --> 02:17:09,500
There's a word that I want to
use here that I know gay folks

2175
02:17:09,500 --> 02:17:13,000
have reclaimed, but I'll know if
it's a my word to reclaim since

2176
02:17:13,000 --> 02:17:15,500
I'm not a queer man.
So I'm going to just say that

2177
02:17:15,500 --> 02:17:21,200
these are very hot young studs
who are skinny And people who

2178
02:17:21,200 --> 02:17:23,700
are gay, will know the word that
I mean, okay.

2179
02:17:25,799 --> 02:17:29,400
And other people just know that
these the kind of guys who talk

2180
02:17:29,400 --> 02:17:33,700
about their thin, they're like
fit their law on the shorter

2181
02:17:33,700 --> 02:17:41,600
side and definitely hot since
the people who were allowed who

2182
02:17:41,600 --> 02:17:44,200
know who were it were more out,
we're definitely not the chubby

2183
02:17:44,200 --> 02:17:50,000
awkward singers.
So Ronald did not find his

2184
02:17:50,000 --> 02:17:53,000
tribe.
And in fact, he was very

2185
02:17:53,000 --> 02:17:55,900
off-putting to many of the folks
in the community who met him.

2186
02:17:56,299 --> 02:18:00,299
Like during his first year at
school, they had like a Pride

2187
02:18:00,500 --> 02:18:05,299
Celebration and he like did a
Patti LaBelle impression and

2188
02:18:05,299 --> 02:18:09,500
everybody was like this is
weird.

2189
02:18:09,700 --> 02:18:12,700
He was he was doing like
cross-dressing try to do drag at

2190
02:18:12,700 --> 02:18:17,100
the local gay clubs and nobody
who promised it at all.

2191
02:18:18,700 --> 02:18:21,500
He actually stopped hanging out
with the gay kids and stopped

2192
02:18:21,500 --> 02:18:24,700
hanging out with anybody.
You got it assessed with like

2193
02:18:24,700 --> 02:18:27,100
making crank calls from his
house.

2194
02:18:27,600 --> 02:18:31,299
And on June 12th 1985 he was
charged with telephone

2195
02:18:31,299 --> 02:18:36,100
harassment.
It was a seventy five dollar

2196
02:18:36,100 --> 02:18:40,200
fine and he was warned to stop
calling people and being creepy

2197
02:18:40,200 --> 02:18:42,500
and sexual on the phone, who
know?

2198
02:18:42,500 --> 02:18:45,500
That's not a prank calling he
know.

2199
02:18:45,500 --> 02:18:48,100
That's why I said it was
telephone harassment.

2200
02:18:48,200 --> 02:18:50,600
He was calling people and being
nasty.

2201
02:18:50,799 --> 02:18:53,400
Oh my God.
Now, back in the trailer park,

2202
02:18:53,400 --> 02:18:55,900
though, he was beloved by his
neighbor's, he crafted this

2203
02:18:55,900 --> 02:18:59,000
public Persona of being the
super nice guy, he volunteered

2204
02:18:59,000 --> 02:19:01,900
with the elderly help, anybody,
who asks, he never really found

2205
02:19:01,900 --> 02:19:04,200
his footing, though.
He worked odd jobs.

2206
02:19:04,400 --> 02:19:07,200
Obviously lives in a double-wide
with his mom and sister until he

2207
02:19:07,200 --> 02:19:11,400
could afford his own and pretty
much all of his adult life was

2208
02:19:11,400 --> 02:19:14,700
like this.
Now Ronald did do drugs and he

2209
02:19:14,700 --> 02:19:17,700
also sold drugs to make extra
money that's actually the first

2210
02:19:17,700 --> 02:19:22,000
time.
So the first time, he was

2211
02:19:22,000 --> 02:19:25,400
reported to the police in
regards to sexual crimes was in

2212
02:19:25,400 --> 02:19:28,500
1993.
A local Drifter went to the

2213
02:19:28,500 --> 02:19:31,200
police and said that Ronald
raped him at gunpoint.

2214
02:19:32,100 --> 02:19:34,799
He said he met Ronald about two
days before the attacks, they

2215
02:19:34,799 --> 02:19:38,000
discussed a we buy.
He went around Taos and he said

2216
02:19:38,000 --> 02:19:40,799
that run was real antsy and kept
saying, he want to show him

2217
02:19:40,799 --> 02:19:43,200
where his stash was.
So he was like, just waiting

2218
02:19:43,200 --> 02:19:45,100
this room and then I'll tell
you, I'm ready.

2219
02:19:45,299 --> 02:19:47,900
And so he was like, I'm ready
and then like he walked into the

2220
02:19:47,900 --> 02:19:49,900
guy.
So the guy walks in Reynolds

2221
02:19:49,900 --> 02:19:52,500
bathroom.
And there was a gun in his face,

2222
02:19:52,800 --> 02:19:55,600
he said that Ronald cuffed him
removed, his clothes and raped

2223
02:19:55,600 --> 02:19:57,300
him.
Then he took off the handcuffs

2224
02:19:57,300 --> 02:19:59,100
and told the guy to get out of
his house.

2225
02:20:01,500 --> 02:20:04,300
This would have seemed like an
open-and-shut case, right?

2226
02:20:05,200 --> 02:20:09,400
But in 1993, the police and
Thibodeaux had never had a case

2227
02:20:09,700 --> 02:20:15,800
of a rare, a man raping another
man, and this is went in his 70s

2228
02:20:15,800 --> 02:20:17,200
still, right?
Well, no.

2229
02:20:17,200 --> 02:20:21,200
Now we're in 1993, all 93.
Okay, so, I mean, even still

2230
02:20:21,200 --> 02:20:23,700
like the police.
They're just little bigger in

2231
02:20:23,700 --> 02:20:26,100
93, but everything's not San
Francisco.

2232
02:20:26,200 --> 02:20:29,700
Yeah.
So, unless a cops in the 90s or

2233
02:20:29,700 --> 02:20:31,800
whenever there's Just like a
little.

2234
02:20:32,100 --> 02:20:38,200
Yeah, if you don't touching gay
scenes, a crime scene, they

2235
02:20:38,200 --> 02:20:44,400
didn't do anything.
Ronald fell back.

2236
02:20:46,600 --> 02:20:49,500
Things were really low-key.
He just did, he went, he did odd

2237
02:20:49,600 --> 02:20:55,200
jobs and then He went home, he
drank a lot of alcohol.

2238
02:20:56,800 --> 02:21:01,400
The next time he gets in trouble
is May of 1984, he gets a DWI

2239
02:21:01,500 --> 02:21:08,800
again, only a fine.
Now the next big moment and

2240
02:21:09,900 --> 02:21:12,700
Ronald will consider this to be
one of the most poignant of his

2241
02:21:12,700 --> 02:21:15,700
life.
But August 25th. 1996, a

2242
02:21:15,700 --> 02:21:19,700
half-naked young guy jumps out
of the window of the trailer and

2243
02:21:19,700 --> 02:21:22,600
runs to the neighbors and says
that Ronald tried to rape and

2244
02:21:22,600 --> 02:21:25,200
kill him.
He said he'd been tied up held

2245
02:21:25,200 --> 02:21:28,900
at knifepoint and raped.
The police may not have been

2246
02:21:28,900 --> 02:21:31,500
well versed in dealing with male
rape cases, but they sure knew

2247
02:21:31,500 --> 02:21:33,900
what to do with an attempted
murder and he was arrested in

2248
02:21:33,908 --> 02:21:37,600
his bail, was set at 100
thousand dollars, there you go.

2249
02:21:37,600 --> 02:21:39,300
I guess that that works that
works.

2250
02:21:40,700 --> 02:21:45,300
Now while awaiting trial, Ronald
is left in gen pop and brutally

2251
02:21:45,300 --> 02:21:50,200
raped on a near constant basis
in prison frequently having to

2252
02:21:50,200 --> 02:21:54,400
go to the infirmary from
beatings, having his rectum

2253
02:21:54,400 --> 02:21:57,400
stitched from how bad the
assaults were.

2254
02:21:58,600 --> 02:22:03,600
Ronald said after he was caught
later on, that prison was when

2255
02:22:03,600 --> 02:22:06,600
he decided that he was never
going back to jail and that he

2256
02:22:06,600 --> 02:22:08,900
was going to kill the next
person.

2257
02:22:08,900 --> 02:22:11,900
He raped to make sure he didn't
go back.

2258
02:22:12,200 --> 02:22:17,300
Wow.
So that happened in May of 96

2259
02:22:17,300 --> 02:22:20,900
rate.
So, by November of 96 he's just

2260
02:22:20,900 --> 02:22:24,600
getting raped like every day in
prison and the prosecution is

2261
02:22:24,600 --> 02:22:28,400
trying to put together a case.
And finally the judge is just

2262
02:22:28,400 --> 02:22:31,600
like you can't keep this man in
prison indefinitely and the

2263
02:22:31,600 --> 02:22:34,700
prosecutor is just like we can't
find the victim.

2264
02:22:35,900 --> 02:22:38,800
The kid was gone.
They couldn't even prove his

2265
02:22:38,800 --> 02:22:41,500
identity based on the
information that he had told to

2266
02:22:41,500 --> 02:22:45,300
the police, the day that he told
them.

2267
02:22:45,400 --> 02:22:47,800
That Ronald had raped him.
Well no victim.

2268
02:22:47,900 --> 02:22:50,500
There's no trialed.
Ronald is released.

2269
02:22:52,600 --> 02:22:56,700
He left prison a better man with
severe resentment toward the

2270
02:22:56,700 --> 02:22:59,800
justice system.
He said he'd been wrongly

2271
02:22:59,800 --> 02:23:03,900
accused and they had allowed him
to be abused and prison based on

2272
02:23:03,900 --> 02:23:07,700
lies.
And he began killing people,

2273
02:23:07,700 --> 02:23:13,500
nine months after his release.
David Mitchell was 19 years old

2274
02:23:13,500 --> 02:23:17,800
on July 13th. 1997, when he went
missing, he was this really

2275
02:23:17,800 --> 02:23:19,000
vibrant.
Happy guy.

2276
02:23:19,000 --> 02:23:23,800
Who was last seen at a family
birthday party when he didn't

2277
02:23:23,800 --> 02:23:25,800
make it to work the following
Monday.

2278
02:23:25,800 --> 02:23:28,600
People were alarmed, David
worked at the st.

2279
02:23:28,600 --> 02:23:34,000
Charles Parish Hospital, and he
loved his job, and he was never

2280
02:23:34,000 --> 02:23:38,100
late didn't matter if he had a
hard party and weekend before

2281
02:23:38,200 --> 02:23:41,700
and he was hungover.
He was always on time.

2282
02:23:43,200 --> 02:23:47,200
David's boss called his mom and
his mom called his sister.

2283
02:23:47,500 --> 02:23:50,500
And the two were actually like
roommates, they were living

2284
02:23:50,500 --> 02:23:52,400
together.
And so the sister went to her

2285
02:23:52,400 --> 02:23:54,700
brother's room and she was just
like his uniform and his

2286
02:23:54,700 --> 02:23:56,600
hospital.
His Hospital ID are still in the

2287
02:23:56,600 --> 02:23:59,600
house.
So now here's the worst thing

2288
02:23:59,600 --> 02:24:00,900
that happened.
Okay.

2289
02:24:02,200 --> 02:24:05,000
The family is it's like what the
following Monday the family is

2290
02:24:05,000 --> 02:24:08,800
freaking out there calling
people to trying to figure.

2291
02:24:08,800 --> 02:24:12,000
They're contacting his friends
before the police could contact

2292
02:24:12,000 --> 02:24:15,400
the family.
A news report pops on TV,

2293
02:24:15,600 --> 02:24:19,000
detailing the death of a young
black man found on Interstate

2294
02:24:19,000 --> 02:24:21,500
310.
His pants were pulled down and

2295
02:24:21,500 --> 02:24:25,300
he'd been strangled.
The news actually showed the

2296
02:24:25,300 --> 02:24:27,300
body.
Oh my God.

2297
02:24:29,000 --> 02:24:33,800
And David's sister saw his
corpse live on television.

2298
02:24:33,900 --> 02:24:36,000
That is wild.
Excuse me.

2299
02:24:36,300 --> 02:24:41,100
That's wild.
He had been severely, beaten,

2300
02:24:41,100 --> 02:24:46,500
and strangled and The family was
traumatized, obviously.

2301
02:24:46,600 --> 02:24:51,600
Yeah, I said that based on the
image on scream, it looked like

2302
02:24:51,600 --> 02:24:53,100
he'd been screaming when he
died.

2303
02:24:53,500 --> 02:24:58,400
Damn, the Mitchell Family
wouldn't learn what actually

2304
02:24:58,400 --> 02:25:03,400
happened to him until 2006,
Ronald would tell the police

2305
02:25:03,400 --> 02:25:07,600
that he met David at a gay bar,
but that this wasn't consensual

2306
02:25:07,600 --> 02:25:10,400
by any means.
He said that Ronald could

2307
02:25:10,400 --> 02:25:12,000
convey.
Ronald said, he convince David

2308
02:25:12,000 --> 02:25:15,600
to leave the bar under false A
pretense probably to smoke and

2309
02:25:15,600 --> 02:25:17,900
then when they were away from
people, Ronald raped, him

2310
02:25:17,900 --> 02:25:19,700
strangled, him dumped him on the
side of the road.

2311
02:25:22,000 --> 02:25:26,000
After the first kill Ronald laid
low, it was all over the news

2312
02:25:26,300 --> 02:25:29,200
and despite the fact that he
wasn't a suspect, he was still a

2313
02:25:29,200 --> 02:25:33,100
little worried.
He waited as long as he could

2314
02:25:33,100 --> 02:25:35,900
before, he could strike.
Again, that was five months.

2315
02:25:36,200 --> 02:25:39,700
His next victim was Gary Pierre,
right before Christmas.

2316
02:25:40,600 --> 02:25:45,300
Same Mo meet the guy in the bar
convince him to leave somehow go

2317
02:25:45,300 --> 02:25:47,300
somewhere.
Quiet overpower.

2318
02:25:47,300 --> 02:25:50,900
The thinner smaller black man,
rape and strangle him.

2319
02:25:53,000 --> 02:25:56,500
So Gary was discovered, December
14th 1977 and st.

2320
02:25:56,500 --> 02:26:01,400
Charles Parish even less is
known about Larry Ranson which

2321
02:26:01,400 --> 02:26:04,600
is very close to my last day in
letter.

2322
02:26:05,700 --> 02:26:14,300
He was 38 and he died.
July 31st, 1998's s77.

2323
02:26:15,300 --> 02:26:21,200
I meant 97.
I wrote it wrong in my notes.

2324
02:26:21,300 --> 02:26:25,800
So that so Gary was Is 97 he
wait another six months.

2325
02:26:26,600 --> 02:26:34,600
Now we have or seven.
Wait six yeah to kill Larry the

2326
02:26:34,600 --> 02:26:37,000
issue with that was with the
police Learned was that like

2327
02:26:37,000 --> 02:26:41,200
before Larry the killers were
all like early twenties teens.

2328
02:26:41,500 --> 02:26:44,700
So with Larry now they realize
okay well this person doesn't

2329
02:26:44,700 --> 02:26:49,000
have any age range.
The only thing that's consistent

2330
02:26:49,000 --> 02:26:52,200
is that they're all skinny short
black eyes.

2331
02:26:54,600 --> 02:26:56,900
The police were still not taking
the case of seriously though

2332
02:26:56,900 --> 02:26:59,500
because the victims Were Gay and
the media didn't really latch

2333
02:26:59,500 --> 02:27:03,700
onto it either.
Now, throughout the next almost

2334
02:27:03,700 --> 02:27:06,400
decade two, detectives are going
to take a personal stake in this

2335
02:27:06,400 --> 02:27:08,400
case.
Then it's Thornton and Dawn

2336
02:27:08,400 --> 02:27:11,600
Burger on they were both
detectives with Advanced degrees

2337
02:27:11,600 --> 02:27:13,100
a solid understanding of the
streets.

2338
02:27:13,100 --> 02:27:15,800
Louisiana, and most importantly,
they didn't have any Prejudice

2339
02:27:15,800 --> 02:27:18,900
towards gay men.
The two of them were going to

2340
02:27:18,900 --> 02:27:22,400
begin to follow these cases from
1988 until the end and they're

2341
02:27:22,400 --> 02:27:25,400
kind of the heroes of the story,
but before we can get to how it

2342
02:27:25,400 --> 02:27:29,400
was solved, unfortunately.
There's a lot more victims.

2343
02:27:31,600 --> 02:27:35,300
The big, the first big victim of
this case was Oliver.

2344
02:27:35,400 --> 02:27:39,000
Ah, Lila Banks.
He was the first that was widely

2345
02:27:39,000 --> 02:27:42,700
publicized and attached to the
name of the beige Strangler.

2346
02:27:43,100 --> 02:27:46,500
The now the media said that he
was a Drifter and transient, but

2347
02:27:46,500 --> 02:27:50,000
he really wasn't, like, he had a
stable relationship with a

2348
02:27:50,008 --> 02:27:51,900
girlfriend.
He worked at the new dog trick

2349
02:27:51,900 --> 02:27:54,600
Cafe.
He had children who he took care

2350
02:27:54,600 --> 02:27:57,700
of, he visited them gave them
money for their care.

2351
02:27:58,000 --> 02:28:01,600
He was close friends with his
boss, Mar Paulson and I said

2352
02:28:01,600 --> 02:28:04,800
that Ali was a really valued
member of the team but

2353
02:28:04,800 --> 02:28:08,100
unfortunately had a pretty
serious drug problem and that

2354
02:28:08,100 --> 02:28:12,200
she had to fire him right before
he went missing getting fired

2355
02:28:12,200 --> 02:28:17,400
really just made Ali depressed
and there was sort of a downward

2356
02:28:17,400 --> 02:28:19,600
spiral that eventually led him
to Ronald.

2357
02:28:20,800 --> 02:28:25,500
Now at this point, it's late
1998 and so Ronald moves from

2358
02:28:25,500 --> 02:28:29,300
his smaller town area to the
French Quarter in New Orleans.

2359
02:28:29,300 --> 02:28:36,500
So, Where Ronald lives is like a
suburb.

2360
02:28:38,400 --> 02:28:43,700
Of New Orleans with New Orleans
being, this massive Hub with

2361
02:28:43,700 --> 02:28:46,600
lots of people that travel and
move through their right.

2362
02:28:52,800 --> 02:28:57,900
By October of 1998, Ronald is
also actively hunting, like he

2363
02:28:57,900 --> 02:29:02,800
is going to work on the daytime
and then leaving and heading to

2364
02:29:02,800 --> 02:29:08,300
French Quarter at night.
Ali needed money for his drug

2365
02:29:08,300 --> 02:29:12,800
habit but also to survive.
Sometimes Ali would pick pocket

2366
02:29:12,800 --> 02:29:16,600
Taurus because millions of
people come through Nola every

2367
02:29:16,600 --> 02:29:18,600
year, right?
He would sell some drugs, he

2368
02:29:18,600 --> 02:29:23,500
would hustle, and occasionally.
There was some some gay for pay.

2369
02:29:25,800 --> 02:29:28,800
Actually, on the night that he
went missing October 3rd 1988,

2370
02:29:28,800 --> 02:29:31,100
he was out with his friends, a
couple of gay friends, having a

2371
02:29:31,100 --> 02:29:33,000
good time, his brother was
there, too.

2372
02:29:33,000 --> 02:29:36,000
And his brother was just like,
why are you with these people

2373
02:29:36,000 --> 02:29:41,300
and doing this and all, he's
just like, listen, sometimes you

2374
02:29:41,300 --> 02:29:46,200
meet some older gay guys who are
willing to pay for the younger

2375
02:29:46,200 --> 02:29:48,600
gay guys.
She's like, it's not that

2376
02:29:48,600 --> 02:29:50,400
serious.
It's just how I make a little

2377
02:29:50,400 --> 02:29:54,100
money here.
And there, his brothers like,

2378
02:29:54,100 --> 02:29:58,800
all right, but But I'm, I'm
gonna go home since y'all are

2379
02:29:58,800 --> 02:30:01,000
heading to the gay club for the
rest of the night.

2380
02:30:02,300 --> 02:30:05,400
Hey, it's still Club.
You can go there and party who's

2381
02:30:05,400 --> 02:30:08,900
gonna try to pick you up?
His brother, was trying to pick

2382
02:30:08,900 --> 02:30:12,500
up somebody to get some cash so
because the older brother want

2383
02:30:12,500 --> 02:30:16,600
anything to do with that.
Got you got you got you Ali was

2384
02:30:16,600 --> 02:30:21,800
about 27.
Ali more than likely saw.

2385
02:30:21,800 --> 02:30:25,800
The sad rattled as a potential
Mark at the bar.

2386
02:30:25,800 --> 02:30:31,100
The Rawhide and Ronald saw him
as a thin young black man, he

2387
02:30:31,100 --> 02:30:36,100
could kill.
When the two went like one

2388
02:30:36,100 --> 02:30:39,300
likely Ali approached him and
Ronald made him know, he had

2389
02:30:39,300 --> 02:30:41,600
cash, the two left the club
together.

2390
02:30:42,100 --> 02:30:44,200
Ronald said they could hook up
in his car and that it was

2391
02:30:44,200 --> 02:30:46,400
close.
But in reality he had parked

2392
02:30:46,400 --> 02:30:50,600
pretty far away.
Now according to Ronald, he told

2393
02:30:50,600 --> 02:30:55,100
Ali just to rub his thing on
him.

2394
02:30:56,800 --> 02:31:00,100
Despite the fact that Ronald
Dominique was like a very grown

2395
02:31:00,100 --> 02:31:03,100
man, the way that he talked in
the police interviews and stuff

2396
02:31:03,100 --> 02:31:07,100
is very childlike.
And some ways like about sex, it

2397
02:31:07,100 --> 02:31:10,200
was very weird, very good.
And he said, yeah, he said that,

2398
02:31:10,200 --> 02:31:13,300
Ali tried to penetrate him and
that it made him mad, and he

2399
02:31:13,300 --> 02:31:16,800
took a tire iron and be all I to
death before he actually killed

2400
02:31:16,800 --> 02:31:20,000
him.
Then he strangled Ali, who was

2401
02:31:20,000 --> 02:31:24,100
already unconscious, He told the
police that he let out a lot of

2402
02:31:24,100 --> 02:31:26,800
the pent-up rage from when he
was in prison and then he

2403
02:31:26,800 --> 02:31:30,100
dragged Ali's body into his
station wagon and dumped him and

2404
02:31:30,100 --> 02:31:34,400
overpass under the three time.
The police found Ali October 5th

2405
02:31:34,400 --> 02:31:37,200
1998.
No, shoot, no shirt shoes.

2406
02:31:37,200 --> 02:31:38,800
And his pants were around his
ankles.

2407
02:31:39,100 --> 02:31:42,000
This will become very consistent
with every victim.

2408
02:31:42,500 --> 02:31:45,500
Ali was ID because he had a
prior history of petty.

2409
02:31:45,500 --> 02:31:49,100
Theft, his older brother.
Michael was pretty sad because

2410
02:31:49,400 --> 02:31:51,700
he been the last to see his
brother alive.

2411
02:31:51,800 --> 02:31:54,900
I knew exactly what his brother
was going to do, which was

2412
02:31:54,900 --> 02:31:58,000
dangerous.
Hmm, he related this to the

2413
02:31:58,000 --> 02:32:01,000
police and Dennis Thornton ended
up getting the case.

2414
02:32:01,100 --> 02:32:04,900
He went to the bar and talk to
everybody, he could but no one

2415
02:32:04,900 --> 02:32:09,100
remembered who Ali left the bar.
With now, Dennis Thornton was

2416
02:32:09,100 --> 02:32:12,700
the one to make the connection
between olly Mitchell Gary and

2417
02:32:12,700 --> 02:32:16,100
Larry, all of these victims have
been dumped me in the 310

2418
02:32:16,100 --> 02:32:19,300
Highway.
They also discovered another

2419
02:32:19,300 --> 02:32:22,700
weird similarity.
No fibers on On the bodies.

2420
02:32:22,800 --> 02:32:26,500
No fingerprints no hair and no
DNA.

2421
02:32:28,000 --> 02:32:32,000
As at this point that they
contacted the FBI and ask for a

2422
02:32:32,000 --> 02:32:34,500
profile.
Unfortunately this was there is

2423
02:32:34,508 --> 02:32:37,600
limited information and the FBI
was just like he's going to be

2424
02:32:37,600 --> 02:32:40,700
poor white with virtually no
education.

2425
02:32:40,900 --> 02:32:43,700
And while this did describe
Ronald, it also described a

2426
02:32:43,700 --> 02:32:51,300
million other men in Louisiana.
So as the police are trying to

2427
02:32:51,308 --> 02:32:54,400
learn about the by Strangler,
Ronald goes to his job at st.

2428
02:32:54,400 --> 02:32:57,000
Charles Parish maintenance as if
nothing happened.

2429
02:32:59,000 --> 02:33:03,000
The one thing that they do find
our Ali's body are a few.

2430
02:33:03,000 --> 02:33:08,000
Like when I say a few like,
under 10 hairs and they're able

2431
02:33:08,000 --> 02:33:11,200
to determine that, these are
definitely the hairs of a

2432
02:33:11,200 --> 02:33:15,500
Caucasian person.
This is the first time out of

2433
02:33:15,500 --> 02:33:19,300
all four murders that they got
any kind of DNA evidence.

2434
02:33:21,900 --> 02:33:24,900
Dinosaur.
Denise based on the dump sites

2435
02:33:24,900 --> 02:33:30,200
that the Killer's safe space is
near the airport and Ronald did

2436
02:33:30,200 --> 02:33:32,000
live.
Thirteen point five miles from

2437
02:33:32,000 --> 02:33:33,800
the New Orleans International
Airport.

2438
02:33:34,600 --> 02:33:37,100
Two weeks later, the detectives
are called to see the remains of

2439
02:33:37,100 --> 02:33:41,100
16 year old Joseph Brown, just
like Ali he's found shoeless

2440
02:33:41,100 --> 02:33:44,700
shirtless and with his pants
pulled down, this was more than

2441
02:33:44,700 --> 02:33:48,500
alarming for Thornton because he
could barely get a handle on it

2442
02:33:48,800 --> 02:33:52,700
and like he's collected evidence
on this case and then Bruce

2443
02:33:52,700 --> 02:33:56,500
Williams is has found November
27th 1998 less than a month

2444
02:33:56,500 --> 02:33:59,400
after Joseph.
Same Parish where they're

2445
02:33:59,400 --> 02:34:01,800
looking for information on Ali
and Joseph.

2446
02:34:02,200 --> 02:34:04,800
Now he was able to get more
information about Bruce who was

2447
02:34:04,800 --> 02:34:07,600
18 years old and very well known
in the French Quarter.

2448
02:34:08,100 --> 02:34:10,900
No, well-known enough at the
locals were worried when he just

2449
02:34:10,900 --> 02:34:15,100
disappeared.
He also had been raped and even

2450
02:34:15,100 --> 02:34:18,400
though Thornton was open-minded
about gay people, he had never

2451
02:34:18,400 --> 02:34:23,000
experienced so much like male on
male rape in a case he was just

2452
02:34:23,000 --> 02:34:29,200
like this doesn't happen.
So because these crimes happened

2453
02:34:29,200 --> 02:34:31,900
to the last to happen, closer to
the French Quarter that put them

2454
02:34:31,900 --> 02:34:36,700
in a different County.
And so New Orleans PD, reach out

2455
02:34:36,700 --> 02:34:41,200
to FBI for a profile, that's
Jefferson Parish Jefferson.

2456
02:34:41,200 --> 02:34:44,100
Parish gets a response to this
has a little bit more

2457
02:34:44,100 --> 02:34:47,300
information.
White, male, mid-30s, probable,

2458
02:34:47,300 --> 02:34:50,300
High School, Dropout,
difficulty, with social skills,

2459
02:34:50,600 --> 02:34:55,500
which unfortunately, is the norm
for like most serial killers.

2460
02:34:57,700 --> 02:35:01,600
However, the feds confirm what
Thornton believe, which is that

2461
02:35:01,600 --> 02:35:05,400
the Kill Zone shows that he
lives near the airport and that

2462
02:35:05,400 --> 02:35:09,000
this is his safe Zone.
He like some killer specifically

2463
02:35:09,000 --> 02:35:13,600
kill outside of where they live,
but that's not Ronald.

2464
02:35:13,600 --> 02:35:17,700
Ronald is picking places.
Very close to where he lives.

2465
02:35:18,100 --> 02:35:22,000
Now, one thing that the cops and
the FEDS are confused about as

2466
02:35:22,000 --> 02:35:28,600
at this crimes intra-racial.
Most crime happens within pretty

2467
02:35:28,600 --> 02:35:32,100
segregated racial communities.
That's why most black people get

2468
02:35:32,100 --> 02:35:33,600
mad.
When you hear black on black

2469
02:35:33,600 --> 02:35:37,000
crime, most crime is white on
white black on black.

2470
02:35:37,000 --> 02:35:40,900
Like because we even though
integration happened in America,

2471
02:35:40,900 --> 02:35:44,200
we still live in pretty
segregated Community.

2472
02:35:44,200 --> 02:35:49,900
Great, we check we stay.
And so we've had like racist

2473
02:35:49,900 --> 02:35:52,500
serial killers that were trying
to further the Aryan Nation

2474
02:35:52,500 --> 02:35:55,300
agenda and their own way, but
that's not what this That's

2475
02:35:55,300 --> 02:35:59,800
because people who are killing
to, you know, cleanse the human

2476
02:35:59,800 --> 02:36:03,900
population are not having sex
with those victims, sex crimes,

2477
02:36:03,900 --> 02:36:07,300
usually happen with those
closely segregated groups, there

2478
02:36:07,300 --> 02:36:11,500
are very few power and control
sex killers that kill

2479
02:36:11,500 --> 02:36:14,400
interracially.
Honestly, I can only think of

2480
02:36:14,400 --> 02:36:18,800
the other one is Jeffrey Dahmer.
Yes, that's that's all I thought

2481
02:36:18,800 --> 02:36:21,600
of brought it up.
Yep.

2482
02:36:21,600 --> 02:36:23,900
Jeffrey Dahmer.
Also had a thing for black men.

2483
02:36:25,300 --> 02:36:28,600
I've personally, I will he also
loved a man of color.

2484
02:36:28,700 --> 02:36:30,400
He also kills couple Asian men,
too.

2485
02:36:30,700 --> 02:36:35,700
But personally, it's something
I've wondered because I wonder

2486
02:36:35,700 --> 02:36:41,900
if the Look specifically with
the Dahmer case, I wondered if

2487
02:36:42,000 --> 02:36:44,500
he was sexually fetishizing his
victims.

2488
02:36:45,600 --> 02:36:47,800
So it wasn't that it was a
fetish.

2489
02:36:50,100 --> 02:36:53,200
See, I just thought like when I
heard it it was just like he was

2490
02:36:53,200 --> 02:36:55,700
hunting in his area, that was
his area.

2491
02:36:55,700 --> 02:36:59,000
And that's where he lived in.
These were two men that were

2492
02:36:59,300 --> 02:37:05,000
readily available to him.
I think in the case with Ronald,

2493
02:37:05,000 --> 02:37:07,800
though, he may have been raped
by black men in prison and he

2494
02:37:07,800 --> 02:37:11,200
was taking out his frustration
on black man that he could

2495
02:37:11,200 --> 02:37:17,300
dominate member because he's up,
he's not like a tall guy but

2496
02:37:17,300 --> 02:37:22,000
he's a big guy like and rotund.
He's going after new skinny

2497
02:37:22,000 --> 02:37:26,900
small, black em, somebody.
That in any situation, he can

2498
02:37:26,900 --> 02:37:29,100
get a handle on them and like
knock them down.

2499
02:37:31,100 --> 02:37:36,900
So Ronald takes a break.
Rather odd considering it seems

2500
02:37:36,900 --> 02:37:41,700
like he was about to ramp up.
I mean he we were getting two

2501
02:37:41,700 --> 02:37:44,200
weeks apart one month apart,
right.

2502
02:37:44,200 --> 02:37:50,000
The next next murder doesn't
happen until May 30th. 1999 that

2503
02:37:50,000 --> 02:37:53,000
was Manuel read.
He was 21 years old, like all

2504
02:37:53,000 --> 02:37:56,900
the other victims men and well
was slim black, but something

2505
02:37:56,900 --> 02:38:00,000
changed this time.
His body was put inside of a

2506
02:38:00,008 --> 02:38:03,300
dumpster.
Ronald, with testify later that

2507
02:38:03,300 --> 02:38:06,800
he met Manuel at a local bar,
proposition him for sex, and

2508
02:38:06,800 --> 02:38:08,700
then took me awhile to a station
wagon.

2509
02:38:08,900 --> 02:38:12,300
Ronald said that they Fooled
Around and that fooling around

2510
02:38:12,300 --> 02:38:16,800
was defined as Mutual fellatio.
And then Ronald said that Manuel

2511
02:38:16,800 --> 02:38:20,400
pushed him down and entered him.
And of course, he grabbed his

2512
02:38:20,400 --> 02:38:23,500
tire iron and beat Manuel and
strangle him afterward.

2513
02:38:23,800 --> 02:38:25,800
This Probably sounds familiar,
doesn't it?

2514
02:38:25,900 --> 02:38:28,300
Exactly like what he said about
the other guy?

2515
02:38:28,300 --> 02:38:29,300
Yeah.
Yeah.

2516
02:38:29,400 --> 02:38:34,200
Which made the people that were
executing this think that he was

2517
02:38:34,200 --> 02:38:37,300
in a fantasy.
When this happened, this fantasy

2518
02:38:37,300 --> 02:38:42,400
of him, taking back, you know,
his his pride, from what

2519
02:38:42,400 --> 02:38:46,900
happened to him and present
because Manuel was also raped.

2520
02:38:47,000 --> 02:38:52,200
But in this, the story that
Ronald told he didn't see that

2521
02:38:52,200 --> 02:38:57,900
happened.
So part of these unfortunately

2522
02:38:57,900 --> 02:39:02,300
we only get like a partial bit
of closure with him being honest

2523
02:39:02,300 --> 02:39:05,100
about some of these murders
because he's a little bit

2524
02:39:05,100 --> 02:39:09,700
delusional.
One month later June thirtieth

2525
02:39:09,700 --> 02:39:12,900
nineteen ninety two, twenty
one-year-old Angel mayhaw was

2526
02:39:12,900 --> 02:39:14,600
found laying in front of a
dumpster.

2527
02:39:15,400 --> 02:39:17,900
Angel was another black man
struggling and doing what he

2528
02:39:17,900 --> 02:39:22,300
could to make ends meet and had
a bad run of luck meeting Ronald

2529
02:39:22,300 --> 02:39:24,900
as one of his clients.
Angela's victim.

2530
02:39:24,900 --> 02:39:27,800
Number 8.
Now, interestingly enough.

2531
02:39:27,800 --> 02:39:32,400
One thing happens here.
Angel dies and the media

2532
02:39:32,400 --> 02:39:35,200
suddenly becomes very interested
in this case.

2533
02:39:36,900 --> 02:39:41,300
The copper of the Baton Rouge
Advocate newspaper in blazing

2534
02:39:41,300 --> 02:39:44,000
with bold.
Black letters, shoeless body

2535
02:39:44,000 --> 02:39:48,300
could be work of serial killer.
For some reason, the media

2536
02:39:48,300 --> 02:39:51,900
fixates on the fact that all of
these victims are met, or a lot

2537
02:39:51,900 --> 02:39:54,200
of the victims are missing
shoes, and then they start

2538
02:39:54,200 --> 02:39:57,000
writing in the newspapers that
all of the victims are missing

2539
02:39:57,000 --> 02:40:00,100
shoes.
Why did it take you so long to

2540
02:40:00,100 --> 02:40:04,200
mention that?
Well, one, it wasn't true but to

2541
02:40:04,400 --> 02:40:05,800
I just think it's really
interesting because I would have

2542
02:40:05,800 --> 02:40:08,300
assumed that the papers would
have been like, can we talk

2543
02:40:08,300 --> 02:40:10,700
about this whole gay murder
thing happening?

2544
02:40:11,100 --> 02:40:17,900
I guess, I guess that.
Nope, no article after article

2545
02:40:17,900 --> 02:40:20,700
about victims, missing shoes.
And if this was the killer

2546
02:40:20,700 --> 02:40:26,600
signature, But it wasn't true.
Well, no not all of them are

2547
02:40:26,608 --> 02:40:28,700
missing shoes.
I think that the shoes just fell

2548
02:40:28,700 --> 02:40:32,700
off as he was dragging, their
bodies around his once he was

2549
02:40:32,700 --> 02:40:35,100
done with them, he didn't
particularly care.

2550
02:40:35,300 --> 02:40:38,100
So it's not like a trophy
thingy, take their shoes and

2551
02:40:38,100 --> 02:40:41,800
then like put him in his closet
or something like that.

2552
02:40:41,900 --> 02:40:44,300
No, the murders didn't happen at
the dump site today more than

2553
02:40:44,300 --> 02:40:46,500
likely got lost in the process.
Right?

2554
02:40:46,500 --> 02:40:48,400
Okay.
Now the wait for the next kill

2555
02:40:48,400 --> 02:40:50,700
is two months.
This is Mitchell Johnson.

2556
02:40:50,700 --> 02:40:54,100
He's 34 a bit older than the
others but Ronald Tell the

2557
02:40:54,100 --> 02:40:58,100
police later that Mitchell was
just his type Mitchell was

2558
02:40:58,100 --> 02:41:02,300
well-built lean muscle and he
was dumped just a few feet away

2559
02:41:02,300 --> 02:41:06,700
from where Ali was dumped in the
middle of the August, heat in

2560
02:41:06,700 --> 02:41:12,000
New Orleans.
This was a move Rife with

2561
02:41:12,000 --> 02:41:15,100
arrogance.
The police weren't sure if he

2562
02:41:15,100 --> 02:41:17,500
was stupid or if he was taunting
them.

2563
02:41:17,500 --> 02:41:20,100
For not being able to find him.
Ronald would later tell the

2564
02:41:20,100 --> 02:41:25,100
police he made the body dumps so
public because he wanted the

2565
02:41:25,100 --> 02:41:30,700
recognition Using Ali's dump
site was, so they knew it was

2566
02:41:30,700 --> 02:41:33,400
him and he'd be able to watch
them cover the case.

2567
02:41:34,500 --> 02:41:40,300
Oh, Now the autopsy comes back
like all the others raped and

2568
02:41:40,300 --> 02:41:43,100
strangled, but there were
Witnesses this time who had seen

2569
02:41:43,100 --> 02:41:46,100
Mitchell in the city of Jenner,
and they remembered seeing a

2570
02:41:46,100 --> 02:41:48,000
weird.
Chubby white guy with a receding

2571
02:41:48,000 --> 02:41:51,600
hairline and puffy cheeks who
was cruising the area.

2572
02:41:51,800 --> 02:41:55,000
Now, for people who don't know,
cruising kind of came up during

2573
02:41:55,000 --> 02:41:58,100
like the early days of gay
stuff, which is when it was

2574
02:41:58,100 --> 02:42:02,300
illegal for gay clubs and
lounges to exist.

2575
02:42:02,300 --> 02:42:06,800
So, when gay guys wanted to find
somebody to hook up with they

2576
02:42:06,800 --> 02:42:10,000
went And so they would go to a
place, that was only known among

2577
02:42:10,000 --> 02:42:15,900
gay people to look for other gay
men, as gay clubs expanded and

2578
02:42:15,900 --> 02:42:20,900
cruising spots declined, it
exists in more of a modern term

2579
02:42:20,900 --> 02:42:26,700
as looking for prostitutes.
And so essentially, if he's

2580
02:42:26,700 --> 02:42:30,100
cruising, he's looking for folks
who are willing to pay to play,

2581
02:42:33,000 --> 02:42:36,900
Sketch though.
We get the first sketch November

2582
02:42:36,900 --> 02:42:40,800
of 1989 the hairline the round
face and the cheeks.

2583
02:42:40,800 --> 02:42:43,000
Make for a very distinctive
sketch.

2584
02:42:43,000 --> 02:42:46,700
It was on every newspaper.
Coincidentally Ronald abruptly,

2585
02:42:46,700 --> 02:42:49,000
quit his job, packed up his
mobile home and moved to the

2586
02:42:49,000 --> 02:42:54,400
town of Hama, which is about 58
miles away, and very south in

2587
02:42:54,400 --> 02:42:56,500
Louisiana right into the Gulf of
Mexico.

2588
02:42:57,300 --> 02:43:00,100
He requested to park his mobile
home on his sister.

2589
02:43:00,100 --> 02:43:03,300
Laney and her husband's property
that she didn't mind.

2590
02:43:03,300 --> 02:43:05,000
She had seen her brother in a
while.

2591
02:43:05,200 --> 02:43:08,100
While since she's moved out of
the area, he told her he was

2592
02:43:08,100 --> 02:43:12,600
just looking for a change but
how much was just as poor as the

2593
02:43:12,600 --> 02:43:16,700
town of boot?
And so he hadn't really changed

2594
02:43:16,700 --> 02:43:19,900
in terms of where he was living.
Just another small, poor town.

2595
02:43:20,600 --> 02:43:24,200
So, Ronald gets a job working at
Cairo produce and he's a stellar

2596
02:43:24,200 --> 02:43:25,800
employee.
No, write-ups, to attendance

2597
02:43:25,800 --> 02:43:28,300
issues.
He perfected, the personality of

2598
02:43:28,300 --> 02:43:31,000
being the nice guy, who helps
everyone that everybody forgets

2599
02:43:31,000 --> 02:43:33,600
about.
He took every shift from his

2600
02:43:33,600 --> 02:43:35,000
co-workers needed, he did what
he did.

2601
02:43:35,200 --> 02:43:38,500
Fast outside of murder and that
was become invisible.

2602
02:43:39,400 --> 02:43:42,000
Most people aren't checking for
the portly guy who silently

2603
02:43:42,000 --> 02:43:43,700
bags, your groceries and nods
his head.

2604
02:43:45,800 --> 02:43:48,000
One of the most interesting
things though was that if Ronald

2605
02:43:48,000 --> 02:43:52,500
had stopped killing right now,
it is very likely that the beige

2606
02:43:52,500 --> 02:43:54,800
Strangler murders would have
never been solved.

2607
02:43:57,800 --> 02:44:02,200
But obviously, he did not stop
because serial killers are

2608
02:44:02,200 --> 02:44:04,900
addicts?
23 year-old Mitchell.

2609
02:44:04,900 --> 02:44:07,800
Vincent went missing New Year's
Eve 1999.

2610
02:44:08,800 --> 02:44:12,600
Now Mitchell was an Old Pro in
terms of being in criminal.

2611
02:44:13,000 --> 02:44:16,500
He went by a, he had an alias,
which was Chris Vincent.

2612
02:44:16,700 --> 02:44:20,700
He was known to look the forced
Parish PD as someone, who often

2613
02:44:20,700 --> 02:44:26,100
got caught trading sex for cash.
He was 57 lean dark skin with a

2614
02:44:26,108 --> 02:44:29,500
mustache and it Goatee.
He ever only really gotten into

2615
02:44:29,500 --> 02:44:32,700
trouble for aggravated battery.
Otherwise, his record was just

2616
02:44:32,700 --> 02:44:35,800
misdemeanors and the police
usually didn't care enough to

2617
02:44:35,800 --> 02:44:38,600
try and put somebody away for
something as simple as, you

2618
02:44:38,600 --> 02:44:41,000
know, two guys trying to bang
each other.

2619
02:44:42,300 --> 02:44:44,400
On Jane.
On January first though.

2620
02:44:44,700 --> 02:44:49,400
Mitchell was dumped on a barbed
wire fence on Highway 7 because

2621
02:44:49,400 --> 02:44:52,300
of the holiday we also have she
couldn't be done until January

2622
02:44:52,300 --> 02:44:57,300
3rd and there was no forensic
evidence left behind, but there

2623
02:44:57,300 --> 02:44:59,800
were a couple key.
Differences, Mitchell have been

2624
02:44:59,800 --> 02:45:02,700
tied up before he was raped.
There were also abrasions on his

2625
02:45:02,700 --> 02:45:07,100
upper, right chest to cuts on
the lower right side and a small

2626
02:45:07,100 --> 02:45:12,300
abrasion to his scrotum the cuts
were confusing until they

2627
02:45:12,500 --> 02:45:18,100
discovered that he did have
crack cocaine in his pockets.

2628
02:45:18,100 --> 02:45:24,200
They wonder if maybe the cuts
were like a site.

2629
02:45:25,900 --> 02:45:33,000
To inject incur.
The abrasions were from him

2630
02:45:33,000 --> 02:45:36,400
being dragged on the ground so
they were like, we need to build

2631
02:45:36,400 --> 02:45:41,700
a task force, this killer is on
the move, so don Burger on lived

2632
02:45:41,700 --> 02:45:47,200
in Hama and that's how she and
Dennis would meet through this

2633
02:45:47,200 --> 02:45:50,100
task force.
The problem was, as quickly as

2634
02:45:50,100 --> 02:45:53,100
the task force is put together,
it's canceled, because

2635
02:45:53,200 --> 02:46:00,300
absolutely nothing happens.
Next Nothing no more murders.

2636
02:46:02,000 --> 02:46:07,400
Donald just stops for two years.
For.

2637
02:46:07,400 --> 02:46:10,000
So they're like listen we can't
put money towards a case where

2638
02:46:10,000 --> 02:46:13,800
nothing's happening.
Yeah so you all go back to your

2639
02:46:13,800 --> 02:46:17,500
cities and go back to your jobs
and I guess if he murders again,

2640
02:46:17,500 --> 02:46:19,600
we'll get back on this.
Dennis.

2641
02:46:19,600 --> 02:46:24,700
However could not let that go.
He started looking at some other

2642
02:46:24,700 --> 02:46:26,800
cases.
Now there was a guy in Kansas

2643
02:46:26,800 --> 02:46:29,800
who had killed 10 people and
just stopped he called himself.

2644
02:46:29,800 --> 02:46:34,600
The BTK killer that guy wasn't
this guy because well then is

2645
02:46:34,600 --> 02:46:37,200
Raider killed women.
But the questions Still up in

2646
02:46:37,200 --> 02:46:40,700
the air, did the bay, you
stranglers give steeds Dennis

2647
02:46:40,700 --> 02:46:42,500
started checking every piece of
information.

2648
02:46:42,500 --> 02:46:45,400
He could get his hands on to see
if there were any other thin

2649
02:46:45,400 --> 02:46:49,300
young, adult black men who were
raped and strangled anywhere

2650
02:46:49,300 --> 02:46:51,800
else in the United States and
mind you.

2651
02:46:51,800 --> 02:46:56,200
This is all on his own time,
he's the regular like the police

2652
02:46:56,200 --> 02:47:00,000
were like, there's nothing you
can look at.

2653
02:47:00,300 --> 02:47:04,500
So he's doing his regular police
work and then on the side, doing

2654
02:47:04,500 --> 02:47:10,100
his serial killer research.
Now, Ronald stayed out of the

2655
02:47:10,100 --> 02:47:13,000
police Limelight until February
10th 2002.

2656
02:47:13,100 --> 02:47:15,400
He was at a Mardi, Gras
celebration and he slapped a

2657
02:47:15,408 --> 02:47:18,400
woman because he said that she'd
hit a baby stroller in the

2658
02:47:18,400 --> 02:47:21,900
parking lot with a car.
The two argued it got hot and

2659
02:47:21,900 --> 02:47:25,200
then he hit her.
Believe it or not, this is

2660
02:47:25,200 --> 02:47:27,800
really uncommon.
Usually serial killers who have

2661
02:47:27,800 --> 02:47:32,600
a criminal past, right?
But they tend to stay out of the

2662
02:47:32,600 --> 02:47:37,000
legal system while they are,
actively killing the police made

2663
02:47:37,000 --> 02:47:40,700
a deal with Ronald, obviously,
not realizing that they had the

2664
02:47:40,700 --> 02:47:43,300
by Strangler and their hands and
said of a trial.

2665
02:47:43,300 --> 02:47:46,400
He went to something called The
Parish offenders program.

2666
02:47:46,900 --> 02:47:51,700
This was alternative sentencing
and it was really popular in the

2667
02:47:51,700 --> 02:47:55,000
early 2000s.
The idea, Was to keep low level

2668
02:47:55,000 --> 02:47:57,400
offenders out of prison and save
space for the rapists and

2669
02:47:57,400 --> 02:48:00,200
murderers and Drug traffickers.
Also it saves a lot of money.

2670
02:48:01,700 --> 02:48:05,500
Ronald put on his nice guy,
smile and he became the number

2671
02:48:05,500 --> 02:48:08,000
one offender.
In the program, he meant all

2672
02:48:08,000 --> 02:48:12,100
conditions and was released in
October of 2002.

2673
02:48:12,800 --> 02:48:15,400
Now during his break, Ronald
continue his work at the produce

2674
02:48:15,400 --> 02:48:20,400
store but he took a second job
at Domino's Which means there

2675
02:48:20,400 --> 02:48:23,400
are people who are alive, who
got their pizza delivered, by

2676
02:48:23,400 --> 02:48:28,100
the bay you Strangler.
Oh my God, having two jobs did

2677
02:48:28,100 --> 02:48:32,700
take up most of his time and it
did keep him from crime in on

2678
02:48:32,700 --> 02:48:34,700
the weekends.
He volunteered the Lions Club,

2679
02:48:34,700 --> 02:48:38,000
he called Bingo numbers for the
senior citizens, he had turned

2680
02:48:38,000 --> 02:48:42,300
himself into a model citizen.
The problem was, of course that

2681
02:48:42,300 --> 02:48:45,100
by.
Now, Ronald love the sex but he

2682
02:48:45,100 --> 02:48:49,100
loved killing more.
He had a taste for the blood and

2683
02:48:49,100 --> 02:48:51,100
that the cops weren't sticking
around him.

2684
02:48:52,000 --> 02:48:55,600
He decided that he wanted the
opportunity to be with his

2685
02:48:55,600 --> 02:48:59,600
kills, a little longer.
He had discovered all kinds of

2686
02:48:59,600 --> 02:49:04,100
places in how Mama as a pizza
delivery driver.

2687
02:49:04,500 --> 02:49:09,700
So he settled on an empty.
Open area with the unknowing

2688
02:49:09,700 --> 02:49:13,400
help of his brother-in-law.
Sam Trimble Sam worked at a

2689
02:49:13,400 --> 02:49:17,000
shipyard and Ronald was like
that is the perfect place.

2690
02:49:17,100 --> 02:49:19,500
Ace.
So with all that extra money

2691
02:49:19,500 --> 02:49:23,600
that he was bringing in, he
bought a second smaller trailer

2692
02:49:24,100 --> 02:49:26,700
and drove it to a field near the
shipyard.

2693
02:49:27,900 --> 02:49:29,700
And that was when he started
hunting again.

2694
02:49:30,900 --> 02:49:33,900
This time though, he was like, I
didn't care if they were gay or

2695
02:49:33,900 --> 02:49:37,100
straight, I'd offer them drugs
or sex just to get them into my

2696
02:49:37,100 --> 02:49:39,900
car.
Oh wow, his next victim with

2697
02:49:39,900 --> 02:49:42,000
Kenneth Fitzgerald.
Randolph jr.

2698
02:49:42,000 --> 02:49:45,000
He was 20 years old, born and
raised in beyou blue.

2699
02:49:45,500 --> 02:49:48,000
Interestingly enough, despite
all the cruising that Ronald was

2700
02:49:48,000 --> 02:49:51,300
doing looking for victims, he
ended up picking up somebody who

2701
02:49:51,300 --> 02:49:55,600
lived only a couple of blocks
away from him, but this wasn't

2702
02:49:55,600 --> 02:50:00,800
suspicious because Kenneth had a
real bad criminal past.

2703
02:50:01,900 --> 02:50:04,200
The other things that were
different with this one was that

2704
02:50:04,200 --> 02:50:08,900
Kenneth was about 510 150
pounds, so taller and a little

2705
02:50:08,900 --> 02:50:12,700
bit bigger than the guys who run
up normally when, after so

2706
02:50:12,700 --> 02:50:15,700
death, but it's tight.
Not the norm.

2707
02:50:15,800 --> 02:50:18,600
Also, very young, if he said
that man, in his 30s were more

2708
02:50:18,600 --> 02:50:23,200
his type, but Kenneth had first
gotten in trouble for having sex

2709
02:50:23,200 --> 02:50:27,100
with a minor and he was arrested
for carnal knowledge of a child,

2710
02:50:27,500 --> 02:50:31,900
then he got criminal damage of
property and then he got

2711
02:50:31,900 --> 02:50:37,200
arrested again for sex with a
child and spent a year in prison

2712
02:50:37,500 --> 02:50:41,400
where he got released and walked
right into the waiting arms of

2713
02:50:41,400 --> 02:50:45,800
Ronald Dominique.
So Kenneth the pedophile met up

2714
02:50:45,800 --> 02:50:50,000
with Ronald the serial killer
They found Candace body in the

2715
02:50:50,000 --> 02:50:54,400
sugar, cane fields of Lafourche
Parish October 6, 2002.

2716
02:50:54,800 --> 02:50:57,500
He was completely nude and even
though it hadn't been there for

2717
02:50:57,500 --> 02:51:01,700
very long, decomp is very fast
and the Louisiana climate.

2718
02:51:02,800 --> 02:51:06,200
The killer had posed this body.
So that his butt was lifted up

2719
02:51:06,200 --> 02:51:10,000
in the air and he was face down.
Just like all the others though.

2720
02:51:10,000 --> 02:51:14,000
He had been strangled and raped
and just like Mitchell Vincent.

2721
02:51:14,000 --> 02:51:19,700
He had been tied up while he was
alive and choked Twice first

2722
02:51:19,700 --> 02:51:23,500
with a rope.
And then by hand, they wrote

2723
02:51:23,500 --> 02:51:26,900
this down the choking, obviously
meant something important to the

2724
02:51:26,908 --> 02:51:30,700
killer.
What I think is that he probably

2725
02:51:30,700 --> 02:51:35,100
needed the Rope. to do it
because Kenneth was a bigger

2726
02:51:35,100 --> 02:51:40,100
guy, a rope, the Rope, probably,
he probably did it from behind

2727
02:51:40,500 --> 02:51:44,600
and he choked him until he
passed out and then because he

2728
02:51:44,600 --> 02:51:49,400
needed the to get him off, he
did it by hand, so that he could

2729
02:51:49,400 --> 02:51:52,600
get the thrill of the killing
from that, but that he wasn't

2730
02:51:52,600 --> 02:51:58,900
able to hold Kenneth down, Being
that this was a bigger guy than

2731
02:51:58,900 --> 02:52:04,600
right retail.
Even though we have all these

2732
02:52:04,600 --> 02:52:08,700
murders, FEI Yue Strangler
doesn't make the prep because

2733
02:52:08,700 --> 02:52:12,400
the u.s. is currently embroiled
in the war in the Middle East.

2734
02:52:13,600 --> 02:52:15,600
So the u.s.
Press is obsessed with

2735
02:52:15,600 --> 02:52:19,700
conversations about that Kansas
has the country's ear as far as

2736
02:52:19,700 --> 02:52:20,900
serial.
Killers go.

2737
02:52:21,300 --> 02:52:24,800
Nobody seemed to really care
about Terrebonne Parish except

2738
02:52:24,800 --> 02:52:27,200
for a couple loan cops, who were
bothered by this?

2739
02:52:27,200 --> 02:52:31,700
Dude's Brazen Behavior.
He's like he is really ballsy.

2740
02:52:31,800 --> 02:52:33,800
Here.
Oh my God.

2741
02:52:34,500 --> 02:52:38,700
Six days later rods on the hunt.
Again, Anoka Jones is the next

2742
02:52:38,700 --> 02:52:43,300
victor victim now Anoka was 26
and he had a pretty hard life of

2743
02:52:43,300 --> 02:52:45,400
being poor and doing crime to
get by.

2744
02:52:45,900 --> 02:52:48,900
He had been arrested multiple
times throughout his life for

2745
02:52:48,900 --> 02:52:53,200
Deft and drugs and Battery.
But he had a girlfriend now and

2746
02:52:53,200 --> 02:52:56,200
he wanted to do right by her.
He wanted to be a good man for

2747
02:52:56,200 --> 02:52:58,500
Shelly Weston.
They lived in an apartment on

2748
02:52:58,500 --> 02:53:01,700
Fremont Street and Anoka had
gone out to get some smoke.

2749
02:53:01,800 --> 02:53:04,700
Oaks he was right on his bike
around 8 p.m. to the local

2750
02:53:04,700 --> 02:53:08,700
Corner Store.
When Ronald saw him, Now what

2751
02:53:08,700 --> 02:53:13,900
Witnesses say they saw was that
Noca as he liked to call himself

2752
02:53:14,200 --> 02:53:17,600
stopped, talk to the guy through
the Wyndham and then drove back

2753
02:53:17,600 --> 02:53:20,500
home.
Z, he went home.

2754
02:53:20,600 --> 02:53:23,600
He told Shelly, he loved her and
then he told her, he was going

2755
02:53:23,600 --> 02:53:27,400
to smoke outside again.
This time, however, Shelly

2756
02:53:27,400 --> 02:53:30,500
understood, the subtext.
She knew that when he said at

2757
02:53:30,500 --> 02:53:34,000
this time and meant that he was
going to be gone for a bit doing

2758
02:53:34,000 --> 02:53:37,500
something that he didn't want
her to know about know, somebody

2759
02:53:37,500 --> 02:53:41,900
should we doing got it, two
hours later, Ronald was driving

2760
02:53:41,900 --> 02:53:43,800
around.
How mama with no cos dead body

2761
02:53:43,800 --> 02:53:47,500
in his backseat.
He drove all the way back home

2762
02:53:47,500 --> 02:53:49,300
to booth.
And dropped.

2763
02:53:49,300 --> 02:53:52,000
No.
Cos body on the side of the road

2764
02:53:52,300 --> 02:53:57,900
of the 310 Highway.
His remains were found on

2765
02:53:57,908 --> 02:54:00,800
October 13 by a passing police
officer.

2766
02:54:01,300 --> 02:54:03,900
The Cavalry of course arrived
taking fingerprints from

2767
02:54:03,900 --> 02:54:06,500
everything and anything they
could find taking all the

2768
02:54:06,508 --> 02:54:08,200
pictures.
They had his name and address by

2769
02:54:08,200 --> 02:54:10,900
the afternoon.
October 14th.

2770
02:54:10,900 --> 02:54:16,400
They arrived at Shelley Weston's
house with a mug shot and she

2771
02:54:16,400 --> 02:54:19,500
just started crying.
Because she knew that that meant

2772
02:54:20,000 --> 02:54:23,200
he was probably dead.
That's been gone all night.

2773
02:54:24,300 --> 02:54:29,400
If like if there's one thing
that bothers me, the most, when

2774
02:54:29,400 --> 02:54:34,500
you tell me stories about serial
killers is it's it's that like

2775
02:54:34,500 --> 02:54:37,100
one of their victims ends up
being someone who's trying to

2776
02:54:37,108 --> 02:54:40,100
get their life together.
You know, they're on the road in

2777
02:54:40,100 --> 02:54:42,000
order to get their life
together, you're doing this

2778
02:54:42,000 --> 02:54:45,700
because stuff and then they end
up fucking dead.

2779
02:54:46,300 --> 02:54:48,200
Yeah.
I mean it's weird because naoko

2780
02:54:48,200 --> 02:54:51,400
on one hand, he wanted to get
better for this.

2781
02:54:51,400 --> 02:54:54,100
This new woman in his life, but
on the other hand, The thing

2782
02:54:54,100 --> 02:54:58,700
that got him killed, was him
trying to do a drug deal with

2783
02:54:59,100 --> 02:55:01,400
Ronald Dominique.
So he still couldn't leave it

2784
02:55:01,400 --> 02:55:03,600
behind and unfortunately that
was the thing that got him in

2785
02:55:03,608 --> 02:55:05,200
the end.
Yeah.

2786
02:55:05,300 --> 02:55:06,600
That should just breaks my
heart.

2787
02:55:08,500 --> 02:55:11,500
The police of Lafourche Parish
first looked into the idea that

2788
02:55:11,500 --> 02:55:15,500
this was a drug murder because
of milk, has known history was

2789
02:55:15,500 --> 02:55:18,700
selling, but eventually they
ended up connecting it to Dennis

2790
02:55:18,700 --> 02:55:20,200
Thornton.
It's kind of hilarious.

2791
02:55:20,200 --> 02:55:23,600
They kind of ambushed him one
day at his police.

2792
02:55:23,800 --> 02:55:27,600
Precinct with their case and
they were like this is like

2793
02:55:27,600 --> 02:55:32,600
yours.
He's just in his office and cops

2794
02:55:32,600 --> 02:55:36,300
from three different parishes
arrived and they all sit down

2795
02:55:36,300 --> 02:55:38,900
and compare notes and they come
to the same conclusion.

2796
02:55:39,600 --> 02:55:44,700
It's the same guy.
Now, back in Terrebonne, Parish

2797
02:55:44,700 --> 02:55:49,000
Ronald decides, it's time to go.
He hooked a little trailer out

2798
02:55:49,000 --> 02:55:52,800
in the shipyard to his car, a
Sonoma and then he headed out of

2799
02:55:52,808 --> 02:55:55,900
town.
It was time to find a new place

2800
02:55:55,900 --> 02:56:02,500
to live and to hunt so between
the last murder.

2801
02:56:04,100 --> 02:56:09,000
And the one that's coming up a
significant amount of time ends.

2802
02:56:10,000 --> 02:56:13,700
The next one wouldn't be until
May 24th 2003 and pretty much

2803
02:56:13,700 --> 02:56:17,900
what happens here is that Ronald
moves back in with his mom and

2804
02:56:17,900 --> 02:56:22,400
his sister before.
He had like his own trailer and

2805
02:56:22,400 --> 02:56:24,000
I don't know what he did with
it.

2806
02:56:24,000 --> 02:56:27,200
I'm like, did he sell it didn't
have too much evidence in it but

2807
02:56:27,200 --> 02:56:30,500
regardless, pretty much for the
next three years he's going to

2808
02:56:30,500 --> 02:56:36,000
be living with his mom, okay?
The next murder is, May 24th

2809
02:56:36,000 --> 02:56:42,200
2003, a big gap between October.
But the victim was to Truro,

2810
02:56:42,200 --> 02:56:45,500
Woods, 19 years old.
He had recently been released

2811
02:56:45,500 --> 02:56:51,100
from prison and he hadn't really
learned too much in prison.

2812
02:56:51,300 --> 02:56:54,900
Hmm.
He told some of his cousins and

2813
02:56:54,900 --> 02:56:59,300
he was going to move in with his
girlfriend, but the real issue

2814
02:56:59,800 --> 02:57:03,300
as to why he needed to move is
that he had broken into

2815
02:57:03,300 --> 02:57:07,500
somebody's house and the
homeowner instead of calling the

2816
02:57:07,500 --> 02:57:11,300
police contacted your Trail and
told him, if I don't get my

2817
02:57:11,300 --> 02:57:13,500
rings back.
I'm going to show up to your

2818
02:57:13,500 --> 02:57:15,500
mom's house and I'm going to
kill everyone inside.

2819
02:57:15,600 --> 02:57:20,900
Oh damn, the the person
apparently he had been robbing

2820
02:57:20,900 --> 02:57:24,700
the same guy.
Over and over this man lives on

2821
02:57:24,700 --> 02:57:27,700
the corner of Elder Street, and
he was just sick and tired of

2822
02:57:27,700 --> 02:57:28,800
it.
What?

2823
02:57:29,900 --> 02:57:31,200
And like.
So he told his mom, he's like,

2824
02:57:31,200 --> 02:57:34,700
hey, you know, I need to go do
some things.

2825
02:57:34,700 --> 02:57:37,300
I'm gonna go move in with my
girlfriend, and his mom was

2826
02:57:37,300 --> 02:57:40,000
like, no, I know, you're up to
no good.

2827
02:57:40,000 --> 02:57:44,300
She's like, please don't leave.
She said you had an appointment

2828
02:57:44,300 --> 02:57:47,100
on May 27th with the Social
Security office.

2829
02:57:47,900 --> 02:57:50,600
He was like, fuck the Social
Security office.

2830
02:57:50,900 --> 02:57:53,600
He got her some water.
And he left the house.

2831
02:57:53,600 --> 02:57:56,500
He was like, I need to go make
some money to pay this man

2832
02:57:56,700 --> 02:57:58,900
because he's going to kill me
for stealing from him.

2833
02:58:00,500 --> 02:58:04,000
He of course, never made it back
to his mom's house or to that

2834
02:58:04,000 --> 02:58:06,600
appointment.
He actually never made it to go

2835
02:58:06,600 --> 02:58:09,300
get the money that he needed to
pay the guy back.

2836
02:58:10,800 --> 02:58:13,800
He was found a few days later by
two cousins who were at three

2837
02:58:13,800 --> 02:58:17,200
Wheeling off of Highway 56.
They told the press that the

2838
02:58:17,200 --> 02:58:21,400
body looked puffy.
And they did.

2839
02:58:21,400 --> 02:58:25,100
I mean this was 2003 so cell
phones weren't super common at

2840
02:58:25,100 --> 02:58:26,700
this point, but some people had
them.

2841
02:58:26,700 --> 02:58:29,400
Some people didn't these two
were younger and didn't have

2842
02:58:29,400 --> 02:58:31,600
them.
I think in 2003 it was a little

2843
02:58:32,800 --> 02:58:36,300
uncommon for a young people to
have phones.

2844
02:58:37,300 --> 02:58:44,600
It was more of a like grown-ups.
I think I got my mom's leftover,

2845
02:58:44,600 --> 02:58:48,900
Nokia brick, probably around
2004.

2846
02:58:49,700 --> 02:58:52,600
And it was mainly because I was
take like the Dork that I am.

2847
02:58:52,600 --> 02:58:55,600
I was taking an extra class at
school, good writing class

2848
02:58:55,900 --> 02:58:59,300
during the summer and it was so
funny, like, you're in summer

2849
02:58:59,300 --> 02:59:00,400
school.
And I'm like, no, no, no, this

2850
02:59:00,400 --> 02:59:03,900
is extra work because that's the
kind of child that I was.

2851
02:59:05,200 --> 02:59:08,300
And my mom gave me the phone so
that I could call and let her

2852
02:59:08,300 --> 02:59:11,600
know when I got out, when I got
on the bus etcetera, Etc,

2853
02:59:12,700 --> 02:59:17,000
because she was worried.
So like I was 16 then though, so

2854
02:59:17,000 --> 02:59:19,200
it was It was kind of uncommon
it like young.

2855
02:59:19,400 --> 02:59:21,800
Like 10, 12 year, olds had cell
phones back then.

2856
02:59:22,000 --> 02:59:26,900
So those two drove, their little
bikes to a nearby casino and

2857
02:59:26,900 --> 02:59:30,800
told like the first person they
saw the casino, we found a dead

2858
02:59:30,800 --> 02:59:36,300
body and the casino called the
police.

2859
02:59:36,400 --> 02:59:40,400
And they took the police back
over to Charles body.

2860
02:59:40,700 --> 02:59:44,700
His bike was with him.
See the night before he had gone

2861
02:59:44,700 --> 02:59:47,900
to, his plan was to stop by his
friends house.

2862
02:59:47,900 --> 02:59:51,700
Pick up his bike.
Then head over sell some drugs

2863
02:59:52,100 --> 02:59:55,900
and then I'm guessing give that
drug money to the guy who he

2864
02:59:55,900 --> 03:00:00,700
stole the Rings and sold them.
So somewhere between getting the

2865
03:00:00,700 --> 03:00:07,100
bike from his friends house, he
went missing and because he had

2866
03:00:07,100 --> 03:00:11,800
this bike at him when he died,
interestingly enough, there was

2867
03:00:11,800 --> 03:00:15,800
no dirt on the bike Treads.
There were no, he didn't have

2868
03:00:15,800 --> 03:00:18,200
issues but there was no dirt on
his socks.

2869
03:00:18,900 --> 03:00:24,000
It May and it had been very dry
for the past few days about 85

2870
03:00:24,000 --> 03:00:27,300
degrees so they couldn't figure
out why there was a strange

2871
03:00:27,300 --> 03:00:30,600
liquid around the body.
Like he had been submerged at

2872
03:00:30,600 --> 03:00:34,100
some point, but it where he was
found was bone dry.

2873
03:00:35,400 --> 03:00:38,200
He had been stripped of any and
all of his identification

2874
03:00:39,400 --> 03:00:42,400
actually kind of sadly one of
the detectives that was called

2875
03:00:42,500 --> 03:00:46,300
like turned him over because he
was face down and realized that

2876
03:00:46,300 --> 03:00:51,800
he neutral and his mother and so
that detective technically was

2877
03:00:51,800 --> 03:00:55,500
able to identify him, but he
still had to go to the mom's

2878
03:00:55,500 --> 03:01:02,500
house to get a positive ID from
a family room, a relative So,

2879
03:01:02,500 --> 03:01:05,800
the police focused on the man,
he robbed his efforts because,

2880
03:01:05,800 --> 03:01:08,200
like, you know, he stole from
you repeatedly.

2881
03:01:08,300 --> 03:01:12,800
And you did say you were going
to kill him, but that man had a

2882
03:01:12,808 --> 03:01:16,000
solid Alibi.
They talked to his friend, Gary,

2883
03:01:16,000 --> 03:01:19,100
the one who he had given him a
ride to go pick up his bike.

2884
03:01:19,900 --> 03:01:23,000
Gary was like, he left on his
bike, that was all.

2885
03:01:23,000 --> 03:01:26,500
They had their eventually, they
linked him to the other killings

2886
03:01:26,500 --> 03:01:30,000
and realized that this is work
of a serial killer and not

2887
03:01:30,000 --> 03:01:34,000
somebody who knew Detroit even
though he was in a lot of like,

2888
03:01:36,100 --> 03:01:38,800
Just trouble all the time.
Right?

2889
03:01:38,800 --> 03:01:46,600
Right now, January of 2004 comes
and Ronald gets laid off from

2890
03:01:46,600 --> 03:01:49,800
the produce store.
He had got he gets a job working

2891
03:01:49,800 --> 03:01:52,600
at Gulf Coast maintenance and
how am I?

2892
03:01:52,800 --> 03:01:57,200
But he only stayed for about six
months then he gets his next job

2893
03:01:57,300 --> 03:02:00,900
as a meter reader and that was
perfect for Ronald.

2894
03:02:01,200 --> 03:02:05,100
He didn't kill during this time
at all, but he definitely did.

2895
03:02:05,200 --> 03:02:09,800
why's that, if he Killed stopped
picked a new town.

2896
03:02:10,000 --> 03:02:13,200
This was the method to keep the
police kind of confused.

2897
03:02:13,200 --> 03:02:18,600
At least for now.
Now while he's at work as a

2898
03:02:18,600 --> 03:02:24,500
meter reader, he realizes that
he's finding all these really

2899
03:02:24,500 --> 03:02:28,700
good locations and he can like
Prospect, but he knew he

2900
03:02:28,708 --> 03:02:31,600
couldn't write it down because
if he wrote it down that, proved

2901
03:02:31,600 --> 03:02:35,400
that it was first-degree murder.
And he was planning it, but he

2902
03:02:35,400 --> 03:02:38,900
just kind of made a mental note.
Note as he drove around

2903
03:02:39,400 --> 03:02:42,700
different places in Terrebonne
Parish, he's like, oh, that'd be

2904
03:02:42,700 --> 03:02:47,700
a good dump site. and of course,
since he had stopped, killing

2905
03:02:47,700 --> 03:02:54,800
from May of 2003 on And it's now
January.

2906
03:02:54,800 --> 03:02:58,300
The police aren't kind of
stumped by this time.

2907
03:02:58,300 --> 03:03:00,000
January 2004.
There have been 13.

2908
03:03:00,000 --> 03:03:02,500
Murders across five different
parishes but they didn't know

2909
03:03:02,500 --> 03:03:07,000
the details just yet.
Unfortunately, none of them like

2910
03:03:07,000 --> 03:03:10,700
knew that if they just checked
the boot database, they would

2911
03:03:10,700 --> 03:03:15,700
have found that he was charged
with attempted rape years ago.

2912
03:03:19,900 --> 03:03:25,700
At this point, Dennis Thornton
detective starts reaching out.

2913
03:03:25,700 --> 03:03:28,200
He's like, listen, I know you
were going to do a task force

2914
03:03:28,200 --> 03:03:31,700
before and that didn't really
work out but this time we have a

2915
03:03:31,708 --> 03:03:35,400
lot more evidence and there's a
lot more bad.

2916
03:03:36,600 --> 03:03:39,400
So he starts kind of hammer in
the state.

2917
03:03:39,400 --> 03:03:43,200
He's like listen, I want us to
do a real task force this time.

2918
03:03:44,700 --> 03:03:48,800
Well, that's going on Ronald
strikes again, but it's October

2919
03:03:48,800 --> 03:03:53,700
of 2004, everybody's trying to
prep for tropical storm Matthew

2920
03:03:53,700 --> 03:03:57,500
which is Kickin south Louisiana
in the but there's like 80 mile

2921
03:03:57,500 --> 03:04:01,200
an hour winds and here's Ronald
driving around looking for

2922
03:04:01,200 --> 03:04:08,900
somebody to murder.
So they find Larry Matthews body

2923
03:04:09,200 --> 03:04:14,100
near a pond and day.
Almonds, the man who found it

2924
03:04:14,100 --> 03:04:17,500
was Jeff Mauro.
And he was a banker, and he also

2925
03:04:17,500 --> 03:04:19,500
didn't have a cell phone, so he
drove home.

2926
03:04:19,500 --> 03:04:21,200
And he knocked on his neighbor's
door.

2927
03:04:21,500 --> 03:04:25,600
His neighbor was Don Jerome, who
was a criminologist for the

2928
03:04:25,600 --> 03:04:28,000
sheriff's office in st.
Charles Parish.

2929
03:04:28,000 --> 03:04:30,700
Oh my God.
So don calls the police and he's

2930
03:04:30,700 --> 03:04:32,400
like, I'm going there right
away.

2931
03:04:34,300 --> 03:04:37,400
He makes it in about 20 minutes,
he determines, if the remains

2932
03:04:37,400 --> 03:04:40,400
are fresh due to a lack of rigor
mortis, he checks the pockets,

2933
03:04:40,400 --> 03:04:43,400
there's nothing there.
The body was wet.

2934
03:04:43,400 --> 03:04:47,200
And so, of course, he goes, he
probably dumped him during the

2935
03:04:47,200 --> 03:04:51,700
storm and attempt to, you know,
have the rain beat any sort of

2936
03:04:51,700 --> 03:04:55,200
evidence off of him.
He liked this boy, they said the

2937
03:04:55,200 --> 03:04:58,900
the storm that like the rain was
sometimes going like sideways.

2938
03:04:59,200 --> 03:05:02,100
Oh damn, I love that sideways
rain.

2939
03:05:03,800 --> 03:05:06,500
So He ends up using his little
digital camera that he has to

2940
03:05:06,500 --> 03:05:09,000
take as many pictures as he can
of everything, while he waits

2941
03:05:09,000 --> 03:05:12,500
for the detectives to show up.
The autopsy is the next day.

2942
03:05:12,800 --> 03:05:15,000
They learned that he had been
killed with the tremendous

2943
03:05:15,000 --> 03:05:20,100
amount of force and the overkill
was significant, he had bruises

2944
03:05:20,100 --> 03:05:25,200
on his shoulders, his back, his
behind his head, the corner.

2945
03:05:25,600 --> 03:05:31,900
However, then did a drug test
and was like, ah, this must have

2946
03:05:31,900 --> 03:05:36,000
been an overdose and actually
listed on his death certificate

2947
03:05:36,000 --> 03:05:40,900
was not death certificate but to
go that's the term that I know.

2948
03:05:40,900 --> 03:05:45,200
But I've been told by people in
the field you don't call it a

2949
03:05:45,200 --> 03:05:48,900
death certificate but it's a it
looks like the things that

2950
03:05:48,908 --> 03:05:51,100
happen to your body and how you
likely died.

2951
03:05:51,100 --> 03:05:54,000
He writes it was an accidental
overdose and I'm like, buddy.

2952
03:05:54,000 --> 03:05:59,000
You just said that He was beat
like, to crap before he died.

2953
03:05:59,000 --> 03:06:01,500
What do you mean he OD'd?
Are you thinking like a

2954
03:06:01,508 --> 03:06:03,200
Coroner's report, something like
that?

2955
03:06:06,000 --> 03:06:07,600
Darn it.
No, don't look it up.

2956
03:06:07,600 --> 03:06:14,500
I'm just asking just a lot of
morticians and people like that

2957
03:06:14,500 --> 03:06:23,400
and Interesting.
I was just thinking it was like

2958
03:06:24,300 --> 03:06:31,000
nothing.
I heard people say, Yeah.

2959
03:06:31,000 --> 03:06:34,700
No dash is the morticians.
This is okay.

2960
03:06:35,100 --> 03:06:36,500
Okay.
I think you're right.

2961
03:06:36,500 --> 03:06:40,100
It's a Coroner's report.
But yeah, so they he puts in his

2962
03:06:40,100 --> 03:06:43,800
report though.
This is accident accident

2963
03:06:43,800 --> 03:06:47,700
overdose, which I feel kind of
contradicts all these abrasions

2964
03:06:47,700 --> 03:06:51,500
and bruises all over Larry body
painter.

2965
03:06:51,500 --> 03:06:55,800
Also doesn't write on the report
if the victim was raped or not.

2966
03:06:59,100 --> 03:07:02,600
And then in a strange case that
his prints come back and they

2967
03:07:02,600 --> 03:07:06,500
find out that he's from
Thibodaux. so, he's from the

2968
03:07:06,500 --> 03:07:13,100
same town, where Ronald grew up
He's and he's also 46 years old,

2969
03:07:13,100 --> 03:07:16,100
which is the oldest victim that
they have had so far.

2970
03:07:17,000 --> 03:07:21,100
So they contact, Larry's
brother, who tells them that he

2971
03:07:21,100 --> 03:07:24,400
hadn't seen his brother for
three or four days.

2972
03:07:26,100 --> 03:07:28,400
Then I got it.
There's all that could explain

2973
03:07:28,400 --> 03:07:30,500
to you is that this was a wild
goose chase.

2974
03:07:31,700 --> 03:07:34,300
They followed every lead
possible and they did determine

2975
03:07:34,300 --> 03:07:35,400
that.
Like at one point.

2976
03:07:35,400 --> 03:07:38,600
There is a friend's house with a
bunch of random white people and

2977
03:07:38,600 --> 03:07:40,800
that he had walked out of his
friends house.

2978
03:07:40,800 --> 03:07:43,800
After drinking and playing cards
and just never come back.

2979
03:07:45,100 --> 03:07:48,000
They closed the case and
determined that at some point he

2980
03:07:48,000 --> 03:07:55,600
must have gone and gotten drugs
and done too many drugs and

2981
03:07:55,600 --> 03:07:59,200
what?
So that really October, I'm just

2982
03:07:59,200 --> 03:08:01,900
thinking like, damn, okay, so
you did all the drugs.

2983
03:08:01,900 --> 03:08:03,700
You probably just fell down the
stairs or something like that.

2984
03:08:03,700 --> 03:08:05,400
That's probably what happened.
That's where all the bruises

2985
03:08:05,400 --> 03:08:10,200
came from.
I mean, later on, we learned

2986
03:08:10,200 --> 03:08:13,000
that Ronald.
Absolutely did get people.

2987
03:08:13,000 --> 03:08:15,400
Hi.
So it's very possible that what

2988
03:08:15,400 --> 03:08:18,400
actually killed him was the
overdose but that all the other

2989
03:08:18,400 --> 03:08:22,700
stuff still happen he was still
strangled and still you didn't

2990
03:08:22,700 --> 03:08:24,500
mean it just happened
postmortem.

2991
03:08:24,600 --> 03:08:27,100
Yeah.
It's very plausible like he was

2992
03:08:27,100 --> 03:08:28,800
doing.
Ronald is doing everything to

2993
03:08:28,800 --> 03:08:32,700
get the people in his cars.
You want to, you know, hang out.

2994
03:08:32,800 --> 03:08:36,800
You want to party, you pay, you
know, I could pay you.

2995
03:08:36,800 --> 03:08:38,900
If you're we do some stuff like
it didn't matter.

2996
03:08:38,900 --> 03:08:40,700
He was trying to find any angle
to get somebody.

2997
03:08:40,800 --> 03:08:45,300
In his car.
But we're not of October yet.

2998
03:08:45,300 --> 03:08:49,100
October 24th 2004 the severely
decomposed remains of Michael

2999
03:08:49,100 --> 03:08:53,300
Barnett are found that a gator
storage by the owner Dirk Guidry

3000
03:08:53,300 --> 03:08:56,700
and his wife Wendy now gator
stores didn't have much security

3001
03:08:56,700 --> 03:08:59,200
No Electronic gate you kind of
paid your money, stored your

3002
03:08:59,200 --> 03:09:01,100
stuff and nobody bothered
anybody else.

3003
03:09:01,600 --> 03:09:05,800
They didn't think they needed
any fancy security system but

3004
03:09:05,800 --> 03:09:09,000
the day in question, when D is
on site and she gets a report

3005
03:09:09,000 --> 03:09:12,500
from one of her staff that
there's a unit that smells bad

3006
03:09:12,800 --> 03:09:15,800
and You know, that's not
uncommon in the world of storage

3007
03:09:15,800 --> 03:09:18,600
facilities.
Like sometimes people do plug in

3008
03:09:18,600 --> 03:09:22,400
like a frigerator.
And some people are living at a

3009
03:09:22,400 --> 03:09:27,100
storage units, right?
Regardless, she walks up to the

3010
03:09:27,100 --> 03:09:30,700
one that smells foul and it
doesn't have a lock.

3011
03:09:31,500 --> 03:09:36,700
It was secured with a twist tie,
so she just pulled it off and

3012
03:09:36,700 --> 03:09:41,700
let herself in.
Wendy described the Decay on the

3013
03:09:41,700 --> 03:09:43,400
body.
So bad.

3014
03:09:43,800 --> 03:09:46,000
She said he look like this.
This person look, he was easily

3015
03:09:46,000 --> 03:09:52,100
in his 50s.
Now, so don Burger on and Simon,

3016
03:09:52,100 --> 03:09:56,200
Fryman are put on the case.
They couldn't determine how he

3017
03:09:56,200 --> 03:10:02,800
died because he'd been there for
so long and someone came and

3018
03:10:02,800 --> 03:10:04,800
reported Michael Barnett
missing.

3019
03:10:05,100 --> 03:10:09,000
They didn't think too much of it
because Michael was only 21 and

3020
03:10:09,000 --> 03:10:13,400
this body they had looked way
way older but what they decide

3021
03:10:13,400 --> 03:10:17,000
to do is take photos of the
tattoos that were on hand and

3022
03:10:17,000 --> 03:10:19,700
they took those two local
artists and one of the artist

3023
03:10:19,700 --> 03:10:23,000
was like yeah I know that guy
his name is Michael Barnett and

3024
03:10:23,000 --> 03:10:25,800
they were like wow.
Wow.

3025
03:10:26,000 --> 03:10:29,000
Well apparently he'd been sit in
that storage locker for a whole

3026
03:10:29,000 --> 03:10:30,700
month.
Oh my God.

3027
03:10:30,900 --> 03:10:34,300
And even though fall in New
Orleans is pretty nice, sitting

3028
03:10:34,300 --> 03:10:38,500
inside of a metal storage
locker, even it only 75 degrees

3029
03:10:40,000 --> 03:10:42,400
speeds the decomposition
process.

3030
03:10:44,700 --> 03:10:48,500
Just like everybody else.
They go through every lead and

3031
03:10:48,500 --> 03:10:51,400
and Dawn wonders.
Could this be the victim of a

3032
03:10:51,400 --> 03:10:54,600
Strangler?
But there's no proof.

3033
03:10:55,900 --> 03:10:57,800
Ronald goes into hibernation
again.

3034
03:10:59,300 --> 03:11:01,800
Dennis Thornton is going crazy,
trying to piece together.

3035
03:11:01,800 --> 03:11:04,500
This puzzle.
Still, the media is not making a

3036
03:11:04,508 --> 03:11:08,200
connection either, and to put
this into perspective, for

3037
03:11:08,200 --> 03:11:11,800
people who are listening, as of
2005, Ronald Dominique had

3038
03:11:11,800 --> 03:11:13,800
killed as many people as Jeffrey
Dahmer.

3039
03:11:14,800 --> 03:11:18,300
But there was none of the media
outrage or even interest.

3040
03:11:19,100 --> 03:11:21,800
The local police department was
less worried about the stats as

3041
03:11:21,800 --> 03:11:25,600
a serial killer, and was just
like, well, let's focus on the

3042
03:11:25,600 --> 03:11:28,600
fact that he's killing and Bay,
you blue, Terrebonne, Parish and

3043
03:11:28,600 --> 03:11:32,100
has been since 2003, he must
live here.

3044
03:11:32,500 --> 03:11:37,200
So they brought in everybody
with a sex crime, like a

3045
03:11:37,208 --> 03:11:42,300
conviction in Terrebonne, Parish
to talk to them.

3046
03:11:42,800 --> 03:11:46,000
The problem is wrong.
Donald didn't get caught in

3047
03:11:46,000 --> 03:11:48,400
Terrebonne Parish and he didn't
get convicted.

3048
03:11:48,500 --> 03:11:50,100
So he wouldn't be on the
conviction list.

3049
03:11:50,100 --> 03:11:53,000
He wouldn't even be on the
attempted list.

3050
03:11:54,300 --> 03:12:00,500
Because it's the wrong Parish.
So like what they're doing the

3051
03:12:00,500 --> 03:12:03,000
right thing, but it's not being
expanded.

3052
03:12:03,000 --> 03:12:04,800
And now, right?
You just searching that One

3053
03:12:04,800 --> 03:12:08,900
Singular area, you're not
fixated on the area where the

3054
03:12:08,900 --> 03:12:14,400
murders are happening.
Right now, Dennis Thornton is

3055
03:12:14,400 --> 03:12:17,700
concerned with the fact that
like this serial killer is

3056
03:12:17,700 --> 03:12:20,800
killing at almost bizarre
intervals.

3057
03:12:22,200 --> 03:12:25,000
Like normally it's very
consistent.

3058
03:12:25,900 --> 03:12:29,400
Or there's like a clump of them
that happened around the same

3059
03:12:29,400 --> 03:12:33,100
time, but like he would, you
know, kill two in one month,

3060
03:12:33,100 --> 03:12:36,400
take six months off.
Like normally, they can't

3061
03:12:36,400 --> 03:12:41,300
control themselves that.
Well, Hey, in later interviews

3062
03:12:41,300 --> 03:12:43,800
Ronald would say that even
though the police weren't on to

3063
03:12:43,800 --> 03:12:47,600
him, he decides to operate as if
they were and he wanted to be

3064
03:12:47,600 --> 03:12:55,400
extra careful.
So 2005 comes and February 20th.

3065
03:12:55,500 --> 03:13:00,700
2005 Leon loretty was discovered
in halma, near the shrine Center

3066
03:13:00,700 --> 03:13:04,100
which was this abandoned
building built in about 1870,

3067
03:13:04,500 --> 03:13:09,600
everybody called it the Shriners
building He was found by Man,

3068
03:13:09,600 --> 03:13:12,600
Steve Tim and his son who were
out dirt biking in the region

3069
03:13:12,600 --> 03:13:15,800
because there was this big
wooded area between the Shriners

3070
03:13:15,800 --> 03:13:19,400
building and a small airport
that was great for just kind of

3071
03:13:19,400 --> 03:13:22,800
you know goofing off you know
pop it on the dirt piles.

3072
03:13:22,900 --> 03:13:30,900
Right at first Steve Just saw
the clothes and he was, he like

3073
03:13:30,900 --> 03:13:33,300
stops the kids from getting
closer.

3074
03:13:33,700 --> 03:13:35,300
And at first, he thought he
would like that.

3075
03:13:35,300 --> 03:13:38,800
The person in the grass was
drunk passed out because he had

3076
03:13:38,800 --> 03:13:43,100
a bottle of beer on him and they
didn't touch him because they

3077
03:13:43,100 --> 03:13:46,000
were like, listen, sometimes
when drunks get woken up, they

3078
03:13:46,000 --> 03:13:48,400
just start swinging.
Yeah, yeah.

3079
03:13:48,800 --> 03:13:52,500
So Steve called the police on
his cell phone, detective, Simon

3080
03:13:52,500 --> 03:13:58,800
Fryman got the call at his house
and Simon actually cognized Leon

3081
03:13:59,400 --> 03:14:02,300
because Leann had been
interviewed during the Nokia

3082
03:14:02,300 --> 03:14:07,200
Jones murder a couple of years
before another one of Ronald's

3083
03:14:07,200 --> 03:14:13,000
victims. now, during the time
that Leon is being autopsy,

3084
03:14:15,500 --> 03:14:17,800
Simon gets Leon's.
Mom to consent to a search of

3085
03:14:17,800 --> 03:14:22,100
her house and then she lived
there and as they were looking

3086
03:14:22,100 --> 03:14:25,600
around they found like a
blood-stained behind a chair and

3087
03:14:25,600 --> 03:14:27,900
they got a warrant and the
warrant allowed the forensic

3088
03:14:27,900 --> 03:14:29,600
team to come in and take
samples.

3089
03:14:29,600 --> 03:14:35,700
And that went to a lab Well,
that's going on.

3090
03:14:36,300 --> 03:14:41,100
Simon goes and starts talking to
Lance friends and realize that

3091
03:14:41,100 --> 03:14:44,000
he kind of went missing.
Sometime around February 13th.

3092
03:14:44,500 --> 03:14:49,200
He got into a fight with his
friends, over some tools and

3093
03:14:49,200 --> 03:14:51,500
they said he stole them and he
said he didn't.

3094
03:14:51,500 --> 03:14:53,800
And so, the current friends kind
of we're having a little bit of

3095
03:14:53,800 --> 03:14:57,400
a well, we're not going to talk
to you a moment and so no one

3096
03:14:57,400 --> 03:15:00,300
had seen him after that.
Now the autopsy did show that

3097
03:15:00,300 --> 03:15:04,300
Leon was very drunk when he died
and he'd also been Strangled,

3098
03:15:04,300 --> 03:15:08,300
with some kind of a chord.
They figured that, his blood

3099
03:15:08,300 --> 03:15:12,300
alcohol level would have been so
high that he wouldn't have been

3100
03:15:12,300 --> 03:15:19,900
able to really defend himself.
Now, Simon is the same

3101
03:15:19,900 --> 03:15:23,700
environment is at the police
precinct doing like the work you

3102
03:15:23,700 --> 03:15:26,200
the paperwork because that's the
stuff they never talked about,

3103
03:15:26,200 --> 03:15:29,100
right?
And a woman comes in, for a

3104
03:15:29,100 --> 03:15:33,500
different case, around the Sugar
Bowl, motel and on a whim Simon,

3105
03:15:33,500 --> 03:15:36,100
kind of shows her Leon's
picture, and she's like, oh

3106
03:15:36,100 --> 03:15:40,700
yeah, he's here a lot, the Sugar
Bowl was a known spot to pick up

3107
03:15:40,800 --> 03:15:45,400
professionals and for
professionals to find John So

3108
03:15:45,400 --> 03:15:51,900
she was able to cut their time
from nine days to 36 hours.

3109
03:15:52,000 --> 03:15:55,500
Whoo damn nice.
Yeah she had seen him as

3110
03:15:55,500 --> 03:15:57,500
frequently as a day and a half
before he died.

3111
03:15:59,500 --> 03:16:02,500
The other important detail that
she was able to tell them was

3112
03:16:02,500 --> 03:16:09,200
that she had seen Leon with a
white guy, who had a limp On

3113
03:16:09,200 --> 03:16:11,900
March 3rd.
They got a call from a witness

3114
03:16:11,900 --> 03:16:16,000
saying there had been a man a
maroon car that had been near

3115
03:16:16,000 --> 03:16:20,900
the airport just standing there
and that was kind of weird

3116
03:16:21,200 --> 03:16:24,400
because this is like a small
private airport and he's just

3117
03:16:24,400 --> 03:16:34,300
around and that puts this
random, weird Shifty, white guy

3118
03:16:34,700 --> 03:16:37,600
near the remains hours before
the body had been dumped.

3119
03:16:37,700 --> 03:16:40,400
Aunt.
Very good information but they

3120
03:16:40,400 --> 03:16:42,400
didn't have enough to identify
him.

3121
03:16:43,100 --> 03:16:46,600
Right.
Early April, they find them.

3122
03:16:46,700 --> 03:16:51,200
Another man fully clothed in a
wooded area, near the Lafourche

3123
03:16:51,200 --> 03:16:54,300
Work Release Center, and
Lafourche Paris detectors were

3124
03:16:54,300 --> 03:16:57,500
used to it now and they just
showed up trying to collect any

3125
03:16:57,500 --> 03:17:00,900
evidence they could and of
course there's no i.d.

3126
03:17:02,100 --> 03:17:06,200
No evidence.
So LSPD puts out a bolo for

3127
03:17:06,200 --> 03:17:09,000
people who don't know, bolo
stands out stands for be on the

3128
03:17:09,008 --> 03:17:11,600
lookout.
It's a type of bulletin and

3129
03:17:11,600 --> 03:17:16,500
instead of saying like, hey,
look for this suspect.

3130
03:17:16,700 --> 03:17:21,000
It was.
Hey, is there anyone that can

3131
03:17:21,000 --> 03:17:24,100
get us in contact with someone
who recognizes this person?

3132
03:17:26,100 --> 03:17:32,000
Yeah, and this brought in other
police who saw Saw the

3133
03:17:32,000 --> 03:17:35,200
similarities of the victims in
their Parish.

3134
03:17:39,000 --> 03:17:40,800
The autopsy showed he'd been
strangled.

3135
03:17:40,800 --> 03:17:44,100
And after his prints went
through the apis database, his

3136
03:17:44,100 --> 03:17:47,300
name came back as August Tyrell
Watkins, five foot six hundred

3137
03:17:47,300 --> 03:17:50,700
thirty pounds, 32 years old also
if people don't know if is

3138
03:17:50,700 --> 03:17:52,900
stands for the automated
fingerprint identification

3139
03:17:52,900 --> 03:17:56,800
system which is what we use in
the u.s.

3140
03:17:56,800 --> 03:18:00,700
It doesn't actually pinpoint the
fingerprints like on the TV

3141
03:18:00,700 --> 03:18:03,100
shows.
But what it will do is it will

3142
03:18:03,100 --> 03:18:06,900
give the print examiner a
collection to look through.

3143
03:18:08,400 --> 03:18:15,100
Instead of like 5,000 people, it
might return 24 and then they

3144
03:18:15,100 --> 03:18:18,500
print those out and they look
and they compare the prints.

3145
03:18:18,500 --> 03:18:21,400
They have to a much smaller
number so it makes the job

3146
03:18:21,400 --> 03:18:25,600
significantly Sims year.
Yeah, that's all this is.

3147
03:18:25,800 --> 03:18:31,100
It's great information.
I do like to Rouse Family

3148
03:18:31,100 --> 03:18:33,100
actually didn't know he was
missing because he'd been

3149
03:18:33,100 --> 03:18:36,300
evicted from his home and he was
struggling with housing.

3150
03:18:36,500 --> 03:18:39,600
So everybody knew Ooh, that like
Tara was living with different

3151
03:18:39,600 --> 03:18:43,400
people and was bouncing around
to different peoples houses so

3152
03:18:43,400 --> 03:18:47,400
nobody really had an idea when
he went missing, because they

3153
03:18:47,400 --> 03:18:50,300
just assumed like, oh, he's with
his aunt.

3154
03:18:50,300 --> 03:18:52,000
Oh, he's staying at his cousin's
house.

3155
03:18:52,100 --> 03:18:56,500
Oh, he's staring at his
girlfriend's house, but through

3156
03:18:56,500 --> 03:18:59,500
talking with the neighbors and
all of his friends and family,

3157
03:18:59,800 --> 03:19:04,400
they ended up going to the woods
near jack's grocery to look for

3158
03:19:04,400 --> 03:19:07,100
a bag of his things that he
carried with him.

3159
03:19:08,200 --> 03:19:11,300
His items were found near that
abandoned lot near the grocery

3160
03:19:11,300 --> 03:19:14,800
store and they theorize that
Tyrell might have met his killer

3161
03:19:14,800 --> 03:19:22,800
while asking for food or a place
to stay the last person.

3162
03:19:22,800 --> 03:19:27,800
He lived with was a young woman
who he'd been dating but she had

3163
03:19:27,800 --> 03:19:31,200
kicked him out and was dating
somebody else and that at the

3164
03:19:31,200 --> 03:19:35,400
time that he died, he was
sleeping in a local tunnel.

3165
03:19:40,100 --> 03:19:42,500
Yeah.
Sorry friends told the police

3166
03:19:42,500 --> 03:19:45,600
that they'd seen Tyrell hanging
out with a white guy who drove a

3167
03:19:45,608 --> 03:19:49,600
white truck and they found the
white guy and his wife based on

3168
03:19:49,600 --> 03:19:52,500
running the place this couple
neutral because they brought it,

3169
03:19:52,500 --> 03:19:55,700
they bought drugs from him and
they were kind of, like, nervous

3170
03:19:55,700 --> 03:19:59,700
when they talk to the police and
the police were like, what you

3171
03:19:59,700 --> 03:20:03,700
called him at multiple locations
and they're like, fine, we got

3172
03:20:03,700 --> 03:20:05,500
drugs from him.
That's why we called him

3173
03:20:05,600 --> 03:20:09,200
different places.
He lived, you got us.

3174
03:20:12,300 --> 03:20:15,700
The first like they were like do
you ever let this guy drive your

3175
03:20:15,700 --> 03:20:17,500
truck?
And the lady was like I would

3176
03:20:17,500 --> 03:20:20,500
never and they were like we
definitely have people who say

3177
03:20:20,500 --> 03:20:24,400
that you he was seen driving it
and you were sitting with it and

3178
03:20:24,408 --> 03:20:27,000
the thing was apparently the
couple were broken up and got

3179
03:20:27,000 --> 03:20:29,300
back together so there might
have been a little hanky-panky

3180
03:20:29,300 --> 03:20:32,500
going on way and she didn't want
to let her husband know, had

3181
03:20:32,500 --> 03:20:37,600
happened, right right, right.
I mean they followed no less

3182
03:20:37,600 --> 03:20:41,100
than 10 leads.
They learned about everything if

3183
03:20:41,100 --> 03:20:44,200
he was going through while
struggling with housing but the

3184
03:20:44,200 --> 03:20:49,000
case stalled after everybody
checked out, Now, remember how I

3185
03:20:49,000 --> 03:20:51,100
said that Denis Norden was
trying to get the police to do a

3186
03:20:51,100 --> 03:20:56,800
task force today.
Finally get one or oh buddy, we

3187
03:20:56,800 --> 03:20:58,000
get it.
We get task force.

3188
03:20:58,000 --> 03:21:00,700
All right.
Oh nice, nice, nice.

3189
03:21:02,500 --> 03:21:06,300
Now, Dennis is parish is
Terrebonne and so, don, don

3190
03:21:06,300 --> 03:21:11,300
Bergeron has her own Parish that
she's dealing with ones and so

3191
03:21:11,300 --> 03:21:13,600
ultimately the two of them kind
of piece things together and

3192
03:21:13,600 --> 03:21:14,900
they're like, all right, at this
point.

3193
03:21:14,900 --> 03:21:16,900
Now we have potentially 15
murders.

3194
03:21:16,900 --> 03:21:19,500
We know the guys Is mobile.
We know he picks up his victims

3195
03:21:19,500 --> 03:21:21,900
on the street.
It's a must be consistent

3196
03:21:21,900 --> 03:21:23,800
motive.
Across victims, that turns out

3197
03:21:23,800 --> 03:21:28,200
to be not true.
His MO is different depending on

3198
03:21:28,200 --> 03:21:30,700
the victim.
Now what originally started as a

3199
03:21:30,708 --> 03:21:34,500
sex crimes had devolved into
like just murder because they

3200
03:21:34,500 --> 03:21:37,200
couldn't not all the bodies.
They couldn't determine whether

3201
03:21:37,200 --> 03:21:40,800
they've been assaulted or not.
They were very disheartened by

3202
03:21:40,800 --> 03:21:44,500
the fact that the major media
news wouldn't cover this and

3203
03:21:44,500 --> 03:21:46,400
thing that was really
interesting is because around

3204
03:21:46,400 --> 03:21:49,300
the same time Member how I said
I was looking for there not to

3205
03:21:49,300 --> 03:21:53,800
be a crisscross of murders.
There was a crisscross of murder

3206
03:21:53,800 --> 03:21:55,700
as I forgot about Derrick Todd
Lee.

3207
03:21:55,700 --> 03:21:59,000
The Baton Rouge serial killer,
who was killing in Northern

3208
03:21:59,000 --> 03:22:01,400
Louisiana.
While Ronald was killing in

3209
03:22:01,400 --> 03:22:05,200
Southern Louisiana.
Oh my God, the process was all

3210
03:22:05,200 --> 03:22:08,600
over.
Derrick, Todd Lee's case because

3211
03:22:08,700 --> 03:22:13,700
that was a black man killing
white women that sells papers

3212
03:22:14,400 --> 03:22:18,100
Ronald, of course, was choosing
black men down on their luck.

3213
03:22:18,500 --> 03:22:21,800
Offering them, hope a place to
say, or just some drugs to pass

3214
03:22:21,800 --> 03:22:26,100
the night.
And therefore those cases

3215
03:22:26,100 --> 03:22:33,100
weren't really, you know, making
the yeah, no headline news right

3216
03:22:33,100 --> 03:22:37,000
there.
But finally, it's April 2005 and

3217
03:22:37,000 --> 03:22:40,700
Dennis gets that real task force
after 15 murders.

3218
03:22:41,900 --> 03:22:44,800
So the state and vice Dennis to
this massive meeting.

3219
03:22:45,200 --> 03:22:47,500
Because he'd been the longest on
the cases.

3220
03:22:47,700 --> 03:22:49,600
He'd been following them for
eight years now.

3221
03:22:50,000 --> 03:22:52,900
And they also included Tom
Lambert from ham from the how

3222
03:22:52,900 --> 03:22:56,600
much Sheriff's Office and FBI
agent from New Orleans Jack or

3223
03:22:56,600 --> 03:23:02,100
sign Simon Fryman from Hama PD
Dawn Burger on from Terrebonne

3224
03:23:02,100 --> 03:23:06,300
Parish and her boss.
Major four major Vernon Booyah

3225
03:23:06,600 --> 03:23:11,400
Booyah, there's so many friends
James I had to look up.

3226
03:23:12,100 --> 03:23:16,200
So good right now.
Also they invited 14 other cops

3227
03:23:16,200 --> 03:23:18,400
representing all six of the
parishes where there were

3228
03:23:18,400 --> 03:23:21,700
murdered Dennis was hype.
He was like, we have the money

3229
03:23:21,700 --> 03:23:24,400
now to really fun.
This it's getting on the news

3230
03:23:24,700 --> 03:23:27,800
and so, they did decide to focus
on Terrebonne Parish since five

3231
03:23:27,800 --> 03:23:29,600
of the most recent murders
happen there.

3232
03:23:30,000 --> 03:23:33,300
Both, he and Don become lead,
detectives on Me on the task

3233
03:23:33,300 --> 03:23:35,800
force, and they were chosen
because of their years of

3234
03:23:35,800 --> 03:23:38,300
looking into the case.
But also the fact that the to

3235
03:23:38,300 --> 03:23:40,800
always kind of showed initiative
in a willingness to kind of

3236
03:23:40,800 --> 03:23:43,900
think, outside the box, Don was
exceptionally talented at

3237
03:23:43,900 --> 03:23:47,000
speaking to Witnesses and
potential suspects, and getting

3238
03:23:47,000 --> 03:23:50,200
quick confessions, or statements
as a police, like to call them.

3239
03:23:50,900 --> 03:23:54,500
She said, I had a very
incredible ability to soften

3240
03:23:54,500 --> 03:23:58,400
people up and get them to just
spill their guts.

3241
03:23:58,800 --> 03:24:02,800
This was very valuable trait for
this investigation because even

3242
03:24:02,800 --> 03:24:06,600
people who weren't suspects had
information to give and we

3243
03:24:06,600 --> 03:24:09,400
didn't have the time for you to
be standoffish.

3244
03:24:10,500 --> 03:24:13,100
Give me the information.
Even I need so we can move on

3245
03:24:13,100 --> 03:24:17,100
and go somewhere else.
Right, that's how I always am

3246
03:24:17,100 --> 03:24:17,800
with.
People.

3247
03:24:18,400 --> 03:24:21,300
Look, look, I got Time.
Come on, come on, come on, but

3248
03:24:21,300 --> 03:24:23,500
she did it in a way that you
know, didn't make people feel

3249
03:24:23,500 --> 03:24:26,400
standoffish.
It was it was it's a talent.

3250
03:24:27,500 --> 03:24:30,500
Unfortunately, as soon as they
got themselves together, another

3251
03:24:30,500 --> 03:24:33,300
murder happened.
This time and Lafourche Parish,

3252
03:24:33,400 --> 03:24:36,000
it was the end of April and Kirk
Cunningham's.

3253
03:24:36,000 --> 03:24:38,000
Body was found floating in a
ditch.

3254
03:24:38,300 --> 03:24:41,700
Kurt was 23 years old.
And from Thibodeau, he was the

3255
03:24:41,700 --> 03:24:45,800
first White victim.
Hey, last been seen and how On

3256
03:24:45,800 --> 03:24:50,300
April 8 but he wasn't discovered
until 20 days later off of

3257
03:24:50,300 --> 03:24:55,200
Highway 307, the apps autopsy
ruled inconclusive because he's

3258
03:24:55,200 --> 03:25:02,200
been sitting in water for days
actually.

3259
03:25:02,500 --> 03:25:05,100
Okay.
So because it was like a dish,

3260
03:25:05,100 --> 03:25:08,600
it was probably not all water.
So like half of his body is

3261
03:25:08,600 --> 03:25:11,900
water.
Decomposed in the other half is

3262
03:25:13,100 --> 03:25:19,300
it's not yeah.
Decomp from this point forward.

3263
03:25:19,300 --> 03:25:22,400
They decided we need to
streamline this process.

3264
03:25:22,400 --> 03:25:24,800
We have a lot of people on this.
There's no need for

3265
03:25:24,800 --> 03:25:28,300
redundancies.
So, we're going to use one crime

3266
03:25:28,300 --> 03:25:32,500
lab for all future evidence.
This will all of the evidence

3267
03:25:32,500 --> 03:25:36,100
will only be handled by the same
people.

3268
03:25:37,200 --> 03:25:42,900
So there is no confusion as to
who has it like this detective

3269
03:25:42,900 --> 03:25:47,200
is the person who's going to
carry this stuff in his car to

3270
03:25:47,200 --> 03:25:50,200
this lab and will be that person
from now on.

3271
03:25:51,400 --> 03:25:54,400
Okay, this standardization gave
everybody.

3272
03:25:54,400 --> 03:25:57,100
The thing that they were to
handle, kind of expertly at

3273
03:25:57,100 --> 03:25:59,500
every crime scene, so there's no
wasted energy.

3274
03:26:00,500 --> 03:26:04,400
Dennis came up with the idea for
them to fingerprint.

3275
03:26:05,700 --> 03:26:11,100
All of Kurt Cunningham's body.
But to use different

3276
03:26:11,100 --> 03:26:15,400
temperatures to maybe make
certain things appear.

3277
03:26:17,500 --> 03:26:19,700
He said that he got this from
CSI.

3278
03:26:19,700 --> 03:26:25,900
Oh my God, like worth a shot.
To see if depending on the

3279
03:26:25,900 --> 03:26:30,700
temperature things, you know the
skin might change and you might

3280
03:26:30,700 --> 03:26:36,100
get a usable print.
Now Dennis and Dawn are digging

3281
03:26:36,100 --> 03:26:39,000
into the current investigation
and another murder happens.

3282
03:26:39,300 --> 03:26:42,300
This time Alonzo Hogan, 23 years
old st.

3283
03:26:42,300 --> 03:26:46,900
Charles Parish July 2nd Alonzo
was 28 and he was black, he was

3284
03:26:46,900 --> 03:26:51,300
found fully dressed.
Ronald had gone back to an old

3285
03:26:51,300 --> 03:26:54,200
dump site the cane field off of
Highway 306.

3286
03:26:55,500 --> 03:26:58,400
They went back to the old files,
to try and find a connection

3287
03:26:58,400 --> 03:27:00,800
between the new cases, and the
old ones.

3288
03:27:03,000 --> 03:27:11,300
How am I resident Wayne Smith?
Is found in a ditch fully

3289
03:27:11,300 --> 03:27:15,100
clothed on August 16th.
So why month later off of Grand

3290
03:27:15,100 --> 03:27:18,200
Caillou Road.
This is another one that gets

3291
03:27:18,200 --> 03:27:21,300
marked as undetermined by the
coroner due to Advanced

3292
03:27:21,300 --> 03:27:23,800
decomposition.
Wayne is one of the youngest

3293
03:27:23,800 --> 03:27:28,400
victims at only 17 years old.
They use the same protocols

3294
03:27:28,400 --> 03:27:31,400
collect as much evidence has
and, you know, follow their,

3295
03:27:31,500 --> 03:27:35,500
their plan.
Donald that is also root out the

3296
03:27:35,500 --> 03:27:38,200
shoe connection.
It wasn't a signature, it was

3297
03:27:38,200 --> 03:27:41,100
just the side effect of having
to move the bodies CIA.

3298
03:27:42,700 --> 03:27:46,200
But an interesting thing was
that three of the victims have

3299
03:27:46,200 --> 03:27:48,900
been seen at the Sugar Bowl
Motel just before their death.

3300
03:27:49,500 --> 03:27:54,000
And they noticed that every
victim had at least one prior

3301
03:27:54,000 --> 03:27:57,200
criminal offense.
That was an interesting pattern,

3302
03:27:57,200 --> 03:28:02,800
too.
Now it's August 28, 2005.

3303
03:28:02,800 --> 03:28:05,400
Do you remember what happened
Ryan?

3304
03:28:06,900 --> 03:28:14,100
You said, August 28th, 2005.
I don't.

3305
03:28:15,100 --> 03:28:18,900
Well, disaster struck Louisiana
Hurricane Katrina one of the

3306
03:28:18,900 --> 03:28:23,200
five deadliest hurricanes in US.
History, I'm sorry, that's okay.

3307
03:28:23,400 --> 03:28:25,700
It was a category 3.
When it made landfall on the

3308
03:28:25,700 --> 03:28:29,300
Gulf Coast on August 29th, for
people who are Americans, who

3309
03:28:29,300 --> 03:28:32,100
are listening, Louisiana,
specifically New Orleans is

3310
03:28:32,100 --> 03:28:34,700
below sea level.
And the region is protected by a

3311
03:28:34,700 --> 03:28:38,400
series of flood walls and levees
that pretty much block water

3312
03:28:38,400 --> 03:28:42,400
from going where it shouldn't.
Some of these flood levees can

3313
03:28:42,400 --> 03:28:44,800
be natural, but many of them
were man-made.

3314
03:28:45,300 --> 03:28:48,900
And on Monday, August 29th,
there were over 50 failures in

3315
03:28:48,900 --> 03:28:52,900
the walls and 80% of New Orleans
and all of st.

3316
03:28:52,900 --> 03:28:57,300
Bernard Parish flooded, you're
talking tens of billions of

3317
03:28:57,300 --> 03:29:00,600
gallons of water from the
Atlantic Ocean, flooding over

3318
03:29:00,600 --> 03:29:03,700
100,000 homes and businesses.
It is considered to be one of

3319
03:29:03,700 --> 03:29:07,900
the costliest, natural disasters
in US history, costing over 100

3320
03:29:07,900 --> 03:29:12,400
billion dollars God.
And the thing is, if you're from

3321
03:29:12,400 --> 03:29:14,500
the south, I give her somebody
who's listening from the south

3322
03:29:14,700 --> 03:29:19,400
like Like, at one point, one of
my family members lived in Port,

3323
03:29:19,400 --> 03:29:22,800
not with a.
What's the bottommost town in

3324
03:29:22,800 --> 03:29:25,500
Florida?
I forget what it's called acute

3325
03:29:25,500 --> 03:29:27,000
was.
It's one of the keys.

3326
03:29:27,000 --> 03:29:32,300
Yeah, income like it's they're
so used to hurricanes that.

3327
03:29:32,300 --> 03:29:35,900
They just like stack up there
sandbags and then they drive

3328
03:29:35,900 --> 03:29:38,600
away and they tow back to the
mainland.

3329
03:29:38,600 --> 03:29:41,700
Like they're just used to them
happening, like every 6 to 12

3330
03:29:41,700 --> 03:29:46,400
months and it's always like this
is gonna be the First one and

3331
03:29:46,400 --> 03:29:48,600
they're just like yeah, whatever
whatever it is.

3332
03:29:49,800 --> 03:29:54,200
It was kind of like that in New
Orleans because they were used

3333
03:29:54,200 --> 03:29:58,200
to these but the because the
levy the Levee failures happened

3334
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:03,300
People didn't evacuate like
people didn't evacuate and

3335
03:30:03,300 --> 03:30:07,900
eight, 1836 people were killed.
There are a host of horrible

3336
03:30:07,900 --> 03:30:10,800
atrocities against people that
happen in the city.

3337
03:30:10,800 --> 03:30:14,800
During this time, I mean, I
remember watching there were

3338
03:30:14,800 --> 03:30:19,400
police forcing people with kids
back into flooded water while

3339
03:30:19,400 --> 03:30:21,500
they were trying to cross a
bridge because the bridge was

3340
03:30:21,500 --> 03:30:26,400
dangerous, but like the people
were like we're gonna drown that

3341
03:30:26,400 --> 03:30:29,500
was caught on camera.
There was also an entire prison

3342
03:30:29,500 --> 03:30:33,100
that was left full of inmates
and the inmates were left or

3343
03:30:33,108 --> 03:30:36,200
drown as the guards kind of
worried about their own safety.

3344
03:30:36,500 --> 03:30:38,900
That's something that they don't
like to talk about and there's a

3345
03:30:38,900 --> 03:30:42,500
lot of history around that a lot
of government in action and

3346
03:30:42,500 --> 03:30:45,200
mismanagement happened.
I could go on, but we don't have

3347
03:30:45,200 --> 03:30:50,400
the time.
It took two years just to rid

3348
03:30:50,400 --> 03:30:53,000
the city of biohazards and begin
rebuilding.

3349
03:30:53,000 --> 03:30:57,900
And when I say that, New Orleans
is frequently called the city of

3350
03:30:57,900 --> 03:31:00,200
the dead.
It's notoriously haunted, and it

3351
03:31:00,200 --> 03:31:04,800
has a host of above-ground
mausoleums and beautiful

3352
03:31:04,800 --> 03:31:07,300
cemeteries and well, those are
below sea level.

3353
03:31:08,400 --> 03:31:16,700
When the flood happened.
The bodies in the ground also

3354
03:31:16,700 --> 03:31:21,600
came out.
So they were finding remains and

3355
03:31:21,600 --> 03:31:25,000
having to try and figure out
where they came from.

3356
03:31:25,000 --> 03:31:27,600
Where these people, who drowned
in the actual water are these

3357
03:31:27,600 --> 03:31:32,600
remains from cemeteries, it took
years, it's been 17 years since.

3358
03:31:32,600 --> 03:31:35,600
And from what I understand
things are mostly back to normal

3359
03:31:35,600 --> 03:31:39,500
down there but That's good.
That's good to hear.

3360
03:31:40,400 --> 03:31:43,800
Well, once the water subsided,
there was another murder to deal

3361
03:31:43,800 --> 03:31:47,700
with.
Krista Ville, 40 years old and

3362
03:31:47,800 --> 03:31:49,300
this time it was a new dump
site.

3363
03:31:49,400 --> 03:31:52,900
Assumption Parish he wasn't a
typical victim.

3364
03:31:53,300 --> 03:31:56,900
Chris was not transient.
He didn't have a history of

3365
03:31:57,100 --> 03:32:04,700
drugs or Home of my keys were
homelessness, but you know,

3366
03:32:05,500 --> 03:32:09,900
housing issues or even crime in
his background, right?

3367
03:32:09,900 --> 03:32:12,700
His family was together.
His brother was a cop.

3368
03:32:14,200 --> 03:32:17,000
He was also fully clothed and
left off of Highway 1.

3369
03:32:18,800 --> 03:32:24,300
It was almost like maybe this
one was done in a Moment of

3370
03:32:24,300 --> 03:32:29,900
desperation.
Interesting.

3371
03:32:30,200 --> 03:32:35,500
And what I see as the stunning
display of sort of fuckery that

3372
03:32:35,500 --> 03:32:38,800
isn't Dawn's bosses.
Begin, freaking out on the task

3373
03:32:38,800 --> 03:32:41,200
force and saying you're taking
too long.

3374
03:32:41,300 --> 03:32:45,400
We want results.
Even though it had taken them,

3375
03:32:45,400 --> 03:32:48,600
eight years to provide, Dennis
with the money to, even really

3376
03:32:48,600 --> 03:32:52,100
pursue the cases, they were
being expected to solve them

3377
03:32:52,100 --> 03:32:57,300
immediately.
Okay, thank you for the money

3378
03:32:57,300 --> 03:32:59,000
now, we'll create some magic for
you.

3379
03:32:59,000 --> 03:33:02,900
Okay, snack.
Well, luckily, the task force

3380
03:33:02,900 --> 03:33:06,300
gets a break and that break
comes in the name of a man named

3381
03:33:06,300 --> 03:33:09,200
John.
Banning John was the typical

3382
03:33:09,200 --> 03:33:13,200
Mark for Ronald?
What Ronald didn't know was that

3383
03:33:13,400 --> 03:33:17,200
John's parole officer was
officer Lambert?

3384
03:33:17,400 --> 03:33:19,100
One of the men in the task
force.

3385
03:33:20,400 --> 03:33:23,300
John was walking on the highway
when he was approached by Ronald

3386
03:33:23,300 --> 03:33:27,500
and offered sex with a girl
based off of a photo.

3387
03:33:29,900 --> 03:33:33,000
Anton was like he doesn't look
very dangerous and that picture

3388
03:33:33,000 --> 03:33:35,600
is very sexy.
What's the harm in going to his

3389
03:33:35,600 --> 03:33:41,600
house and see if she's real?
So as they're Drivin, he said

3390
03:33:41,600 --> 03:33:45,000
that Ronald talked about some
weird stuff, he talked about how

3391
03:33:45,000 --> 03:33:49,300
he was going to have to tie John
up because the girls really like

3392
03:33:49,300 --> 03:33:52,800
bashful about new guys, it was
real weird.

3393
03:33:53,300 --> 03:33:56,000
Also, he randomly talked about
how there was a stigma around

3394
03:33:56,000 --> 03:33:59,400
being gay.
And for some reason, when Ronald

3395
03:33:59,400 --> 03:34:04,400
pulled into his sister's
driveway, John still State, they

3396
03:34:04,800 --> 03:34:08,000
went to the trailer.
Ronald begins his routine.

3397
03:34:08,200 --> 03:34:10,600
He tells John get undressed,
Rest, and he's like, and then

3398
03:34:10,608 --> 03:34:13,200
I'll tie you up.
And John kind of took stock of

3399
03:34:13,208 --> 03:34:15,800
the room.
And was just like, there are

3400
03:34:15,800 --> 03:34:21,700
jugs of urine in this room,
which is weird, and also Stacks,

3401
03:34:21,700 --> 03:34:27,200
and stacks of gay porn.
John takes that moment and just

3402
03:34:27,200 --> 03:34:29,700
walks out of the door.
And Ronald doesn't stop him.

3403
03:34:29,700 --> 03:34:33,100
He actually said he ran back to
the highway.

3404
03:34:33,800 --> 03:34:40,300
Wow.
Okay, so Donna, Dennis are, you

3405
03:34:40,300 --> 03:34:43,300
know, back at headquarters
discussing their try to figure

3406
03:34:43,300 --> 03:34:49,200
out like the guy that Witnesses
reported Didn't seem like a big

3407
03:34:49,200 --> 03:34:53,800
guy like yeah, he was Heavy SAT
but he wasn't very tall.

3408
03:34:55,000 --> 03:34:57,300
And like he didn't seem very
strong according to Witnesses.

3409
03:34:57,300 --> 03:35:00,000
So they're trying to figure out
how is he getting these people

3410
03:35:00,100 --> 03:35:02,900
to get in his car.
They had already been through

3411
03:35:02,900 --> 03:35:06,900
every sex offender in every
Parish where there was a murder.

3412
03:35:09,500 --> 03:35:14,000
But they didn't think to talk to
the Parolees and so that came up

3413
03:35:14,000 --> 03:35:17,300
during this conversation and
they they like, hey, they like

3414
03:35:17,300 --> 03:35:19,500
they go to their squadmate
Lambert and they're just like,

3415
03:35:19,500 --> 03:35:23,200
hey, we want to go through all
the Parolees and you're here.

3416
03:35:23,200 --> 03:35:26,100
So you have the list on you,
like I mean, you still working

3417
03:35:26,100 --> 03:35:28,000
at a, his side to work their
regular stuff too.

3418
03:35:28,300 --> 03:35:32,500
And so he's just like we want to
talk to all the people who are

3419
03:35:32,500 --> 03:35:36,900
on parole in this town.
Which is how John Banning ended

3420
03:35:36,900 --> 03:35:39,600
up in the interrogation room
talking to Dennis and Dawn.

3421
03:35:40,900 --> 03:35:43,100
I guess, first he talked to
Lambert and then to Dennis and

3422
03:35:43,100 --> 03:35:46,600
on John tells them how this fat
white guy pulled up on him and a

3423
03:35:46,608 --> 03:35:49,200
black Sonoma truck, offered him,
alcohol.

3424
03:35:50,100 --> 03:35:51,900
And a crack at banging hot
chick.

3425
03:35:52,200 --> 03:35:54,900
He told them exactly where
Ronald had taken them to make

3426
03:35:54,900 --> 03:35:58,500
them to.
And this is so weird.

3427
03:35:58,500 --> 03:36:02,700
But like, they all met near
Ronald house and I think it's

3428
03:36:02,700 --> 03:36:04,900
really up because you have like
a regular police officer with

3429
03:36:04,900 --> 03:36:10,500
John Banning and then you have
two detectives in like suits,

3430
03:36:11,700 --> 03:36:13,500
But they don't walk up to the
door.

3431
03:36:14,000 --> 03:36:25,500
In fact, what Dawn does is she
goes up to Or Don does is she

3432
03:36:25,500 --> 03:36:30,000
goes up to the mailbox and she
begins kind of flooding through

3433
03:36:30,000 --> 03:36:33,500
the mail and there's only one
male named in the house.

3434
03:36:34,000 --> 03:36:38,300
Ronald J Dominique.
They decide.

3435
03:36:40,000 --> 03:36:42,500
They go back and they decide
they want to make sure this is

3436
03:36:42,500 --> 03:36:45,600
airtight, so they decide to just
go talk to him.

3437
03:36:46,500 --> 03:36:51,300
Like, knock on the door, they're
like, hey Ronald, um, There's

3438
03:36:51,300 --> 03:36:57,100
this guy who made kind of a
charge against you, and we just

3439
03:36:57,100 --> 03:37:00,100
want to talk to you about it.
His name's John Banning and he

3440
03:37:00,100 --> 03:37:02,400
like, filed a report, he's like,
can you talk to us at the

3441
03:37:02,400 --> 03:37:05,600
station and so they go in and
Ronald tells them that he know,

3442
03:37:05,600 --> 03:37:08,100
he's just in a kinky sex and he
was having fun with the whole

3443
03:37:08,100 --> 03:37:11,800
tied up thing.
Dennis asks, run up to take a

3444
03:37:11,808 --> 03:37:15,000
lie detector test and for the
first time in their interview

3445
03:37:15,000 --> 03:37:18,300
Ronald gets pissed and he's like
what's all this about?

3446
03:37:18,700 --> 03:37:20,100
And then it's just tries to play
it off.

3447
03:37:20,100 --> 03:37:21,400
Cool, listen.
To Dominique.

3448
03:37:21,400 --> 03:37:22,700
We're just trying to clear these
cases.

3449
03:37:22,700 --> 03:37:25,100
We're working on, if you can
help us, that would be

3450
03:37:25,100 --> 03:37:29,000
wonderful.
So he agrees to the polygraph

3451
03:37:29,700 --> 03:37:33,700
then Dawn, it's just like, you
know, it would help us a lot if

3452
03:37:33,700 --> 03:37:39,400
you sign this consent form.
And give us your DNA.

3453
03:37:39,500 --> 03:37:46,500
Oh God, he agrees and they take
a hair and saliva sample and

3454
03:37:46,500 --> 03:37:49,100
they thanked him over and over
again and send him on his way.

3455
03:37:49,300 --> 03:37:52,100
And if you listen to the podcast
a lot, you're like wait, what?

3456
03:37:54,100 --> 03:37:56,400
Well, okay, so it's weird that
he was so agreeable.

3457
03:37:56,400 --> 03:37:59,000
But also the other weird thing
is that they had to ask

3458
03:37:59,000 --> 03:38:03,000
permission to get his DNA
because we've had other cases,

3459
03:38:03,300 --> 03:38:06,500
like the Grim sleeper, where
they followed him to a birthday

3460
03:38:06,500 --> 03:38:09,700
party.
And Told the plates and cakes

3461
03:38:09,700 --> 03:38:14,300
that he ate off of, right.
Yeah, that's because the DNA at

3462
03:38:14,300 --> 03:38:18,900
that time.
They did it wasn't as advanced

3463
03:38:18,900 --> 03:38:21,600
as it is.
Today even 10 years later.

3464
03:38:22,400 --> 03:38:26,700
And so now we can get DNA on
vert off of virtually anything.

3465
03:38:27,000 --> 03:38:29,500
But back then we couldn't.
So they went for the thing that

3466
03:38:29,500 --> 03:38:34,500
you could get the best match on
which was hair spit semen.

3467
03:38:36,500 --> 03:38:38,100
They were like, can we can we
get these?

3468
03:38:38,100 --> 03:38:39,900
I think you can't ask him for a
semen sample.

3469
03:38:39,900 --> 03:38:43,800
He wouldn't do that, but like
you never know, you never know.

3470
03:38:44,200 --> 03:38:47,600
He see that kind of guy who
probably give it up to Who

3471
03:38:47,600 --> 03:38:49,600
knows?
They paint John Bannon back in

3472
03:38:49,600 --> 03:38:52,500
and John's like no, no, no.
I did not willingly go to his

3473
03:38:52,500 --> 03:38:53,900
house.
I'm not even gay.

3474
03:38:54,100 --> 03:38:56,600
He's like I just thought the
girl looked hot and I wanted to

3475
03:38:56,600 --> 03:39:00,800
see which if she was there and
so they asked John they're like,

3476
03:39:00,800 --> 03:39:02,300
okay.
So what if he had tried to stop

3477
03:39:02,300 --> 03:39:10,600
you and Johnson, it would have
been like the Civil War He click

3478
03:39:10,600 --> 03:39:11,500
yes.
No, no.

3479
03:39:11,500 --> 03:39:13,100
So this is where he says Pearl
Harbor.

3480
03:39:13,400 --> 03:39:17,700
He said it would have been Pearl
Harbor in that piece, sir.

3481
03:39:18,700 --> 03:39:20,500
Indicating that he would have
fought him.

3482
03:39:20,700 --> 03:39:24,700
Okay?
What a weird thing to say?

3483
03:39:26,000 --> 03:39:29,500
Definitely, you know, I would
have been, like, Pearl Harbor.

3484
03:39:32,000 --> 03:39:33,900
They decide to go into a
database of crimes.

3485
03:39:33,900 --> 03:39:37,700
Just pulling people who were
charged, but never convicted.

3486
03:39:37,800 --> 03:39:41,100
And this is where they find
Ronald's charges and it sounds

3487
03:39:41,100 --> 03:39:43,600
very similar to what John
Banning told them.

3488
03:39:44,900 --> 03:39:49,500
They also found there were two
other cases of sodomy against

3489
03:39:49,500 --> 03:39:54,600
Ronald that had been dropped due
to a lack of corroborating

3490
03:39:54,600 --> 03:39:57,600
evidence.
The police are now.

3491
03:39:57,600 --> 03:40:00,800
The police, from those two
cases, who, talked around were

3492
03:40:00,800 --> 03:40:04,200
brought in and they definitely
remembered him.

3493
03:40:04,700 --> 03:40:08,900
It was even though it was like
the 80s, they've definitely

3494
03:40:08,900 --> 03:40:10,600
remembered him and they said
that he had a serious

3495
03:40:10,600 --> 03:40:13,000
persecution complex about being
gay.

3496
03:40:14,600 --> 03:40:17,900
So with all this information,
Dennis add-on, requested 24-hour

3497
03:40:17,900 --> 03:40:19,800
our surveillance team, and they
get denied.

3498
03:40:21,300 --> 03:40:24,300
They're like, that's too much
and you don't have enough to

3499
03:40:24,700 --> 03:40:29,800
make that worthwhile.
So they put a roadblock up near

3500
03:40:29,800 --> 03:40:33,100
the Sugar Bowl hotel since
multiple victims were found

3501
03:40:33,100 --> 03:40:37,400
there and they regularly stop
and search cars at random.

3502
03:40:38,700 --> 03:40:41,900
Now, this does cut off one of
his hunting sites, but Ronald

3503
03:40:41,900 --> 03:40:46,200
had more and the stress of being
watched by the police, was

3504
03:40:46,200 --> 03:40:52,500
stressing him out.
November 5th, 2005, Nick Pelican

3505
03:40:52,600 --> 03:40:56,600
21 years old is working on his
home when the meter reader

3506
03:40:56,600 --> 03:41:00,300
arrives.
That meter reader is Ronald

3507
03:41:01,900 --> 03:41:03,700
Ronald straight up propositions
him.

3508
03:41:05,000 --> 03:41:14,500
And next like I do need the
money and so he agrees but later

3509
03:41:15,200 --> 03:41:16,700
and Ronald picks him up after
round.

3510
03:41:16,700 --> 03:41:19,300
Gets off of work takes him back
to his trailer.

3511
03:41:19,800 --> 03:41:24,400
Ronald would later tell the
police that because his mom and

3512
03:41:24,400 --> 03:41:28,000
sister were down the hall, he
had to make sure that Nick

3513
03:41:28,000 --> 03:41:35,700
wouldn't scream and November
9th, they discover his remains

3514
03:41:35,700 --> 03:41:38,600
in the woods and Lafourche
Parish, he had been tied.

3515
03:41:38,800 --> 03:41:43,900
Up and to add insult to injury.
He had gambled and gone through

3516
03:41:43,900 --> 03:41:47,300
the roadblock with the dead body
in the back of his car.

3517
03:41:47,300 --> 03:41:51,000
Kidding me.
Ballsy is all get out.

3518
03:41:54,500 --> 03:41:58,600
Nick's autopsy came in the word
laceration, peaked Dennis's

3519
03:41:58,600 --> 03:42:01,300
interest.
He was just like, I feel like

3520
03:42:01,500 --> 03:42:04,800
I've been reading that word a
lot and so he goes through the

3521
03:42:04,800 --> 03:42:09,100
cases and realizes that a lot of
the men had lacerations Options

3522
03:42:09,100 --> 03:42:12,500
to their back of their head.
Meaning, that that was one of

3523
03:42:12,508 --> 03:42:15,400
the ways that Ronald was
subduing, them by just straight,

3524
03:42:15,400 --> 03:42:17,200
hitting them in the back of the
head with something hard.

3525
03:42:17,600 --> 03:42:23,600
Tying them up.
They focus on DNA.

3526
03:42:24,800 --> 03:42:29,500
The problem is DNA takes months
but they do get a positive

3527
03:42:29,500 --> 03:42:33,000
match.
Remember all Ela Banks and how

3528
03:42:33,000 --> 03:42:35,400
they said that there were
Caucasian hairs?

3529
03:42:36,100 --> 03:42:40,500
Yes, yes him.
Yeah, they do a match but the

3530
03:42:40,508 --> 03:42:44,900
problem was it was mitochondrial
DNA, really ideally?

3531
03:42:44,900 --> 03:42:47,700
You want what's called nuclear
DNA, which is, it definitely

3532
03:42:47,700 --> 03:42:51,500
belongs to this one person
mitochondrial DNA matches.

3533
03:42:51,800 --> 03:42:54,500
It means that this could be from
anyone in Ronald's.

3534
03:42:54,600 --> 03:42:57,900
They regularly stopped and
searched cars at random.

3535
03:42:59,300 --> 03:43:02,500
Now, this does cut off one of
his hunting sites, but Ronald

3536
03:43:02,500 --> 03:43:06,800
had more and the stress of being
watched by the police, was

3537
03:43:06,800 --> 03:43:11,900
stressing him out.
November 5th, 2005.

3538
03:43:12,000 --> 03:43:16,500
Nick pallagen 21 years old is
working on his home when the

3539
03:43:16,508 --> 03:43:20,800
meter reader arrives.
That meter reader is Ronald

3540
03:43:22,400 --> 03:43:24,200
Ronald straight up propositions
him.

3541
03:43:25,500 --> 03:43:35,100
And next like I do need the
money and so he agrees but later

3542
03:43:35,700 --> 03:43:38,700
and Ronald picks him up after
Ron gets off of work takes him

3543
03:43:38,700 --> 03:43:41,300
back to his trailer.
Ronald would later tell the

3544
03:43:41,300 --> 03:43:47,000
police that because his mom and
sister were down the hall, he

3545
03:43:47,000 --> 03:43:53,900
had to make sure that Nick
wouldn't screamed and November

3546
03:43:53,900 --> 03:43:56,500
9th.
They discover his remains in the

3547
03:43:56,500 --> 03:43:59,200
woods and Lafourche Parish.
He had been tied.

3548
03:43:59,300 --> 03:44:01,600
It up and to add insult to
injury.

3549
03:44:02,000 --> 03:44:06,600
He had gambled and gone through
the roadblock with the dead body

3550
03:44:06,600 --> 03:44:08,800
in the back of his car.
Kidding me.

3551
03:44:09,600 --> 03:44:17,000
Ballsy is all get out.
Next autopsy came in the word

3552
03:44:17,000 --> 03:44:19,900
laceration.
Peaked Dennis's interest.

3553
03:44:20,200 --> 03:44:23,200
He was just like, I feel like,
I've been reading that word a

3554
03:44:23,200 --> 03:44:28,400
lot and so he goes to the cases
and realizes that a lot of the

3555
03:44:28,400 --> 03:44:30,800
men had lacerations to their
back of their head.

3556
03:44:31,000 --> 03:44:34,600
Meaning, that that was one of
the ways that Rana was subduing

3557
03:44:34,600 --> 03:44:37,000
them by just straight hitting
him in the back of the head with

3558
03:44:37,000 --> 03:44:38,900
something hard.
Tying them up.

3559
03:44:43,000 --> 03:44:47,400
They focus on DNA.
The problem is DNA takes months

3560
03:44:48,200 --> 03:44:50,700
but they do get a positive
match.

3561
03:44:50,800 --> 03:44:54,500
Remember all Ela Banks and how
they said that there were

3562
03:44:54,500 --> 03:44:58,500
Caucasian hairs?
Yes, yes him.

3563
03:44:59,100 --> 03:45:02,800
Yeah, they do a match but the
problem was it was mitochondrial

3564
03:45:02,800 --> 03:45:06,700
DNA, really ideally?
You want what's called nuclear

3565
03:45:06,700 --> 03:45:09,700
DNA, which is, it definitely
belongs to this one person

3566
03:45:10,100 --> 03:45:13,900
mitochondrial DNA matches.
It means that this could be from

3567
03:45:13,900 --> 03:45:16,900
anyone in Ronald's.
Are you think Ryan?

3568
03:45:17,000 --> 03:45:21,000
23andMe, pretty much they're not
calling it investigative

3569
03:45:21,000 --> 03:45:23,400
genealogy.
As I initially, they were able

3570
03:45:23,400 --> 03:45:31,800
to connect DNA of the killer to
someone in a DNA, a genealogy

3571
03:45:31,800 --> 03:45:37,700
database and that's how they
were to find it really there.

3572
03:45:37,700 --> 03:45:41,100
What they're doing now at this
point is he has a pretty

3573
03:45:41,100 --> 03:45:45,000
extensive criminal record
between 1963 and 1998.

3574
03:45:45,100 --> 03:45:48,900
Eight and so Indiana state.
Police are looking to see if he

3575
03:45:48,900 --> 03:45:51,600
did anything else.
Honestly, if they can connect

3576
03:45:51,600 --> 03:45:55,700
him to any other missing persons
were there any other motels that

3577
03:45:55,700 --> 03:45:58,100
he might have stopped by, and
people went missing.

3578
03:45:58,400 --> 03:46:01,200
So, this isn't over.
They just know the name, they

3579
03:46:01,200 --> 03:46:05,500
called him, the I-65 killer, and
the thing is, I 65 runs from

3580
03:46:05,500 --> 03:46:08,900
Gary Indiana, all the way down
to the Gulf of Mexico.

3581
03:46:09,100 --> 03:46:12,000
So we're talking of a hundreds
of miles on the East Coast where

3582
03:46:12,000 --> 03:46:15,000
he could have stopped and killed
people as well.

3583
03:46:15,100 --> 03:46:18,600
Also, there's no guarantee that
it just stops at these three

3584
03:46:18,600 --> 03:46:23,500
murders in one assault.
God, can you compare hoping

3585
03:46:24,600 --> 03:46:27,900
they're hoping they can close,
some, some cases and give people

3586
03:46:27,900 --> 03:46:30,900
some closure and finding out
what happened to their loved

3587
03:46:30,900 --> 03:46:34,000
ones.
They also called him, the Days

3588
03:46:34,000 --> 03:46:36,600
Inn killer.
Because, apparently he was, he

3589
03:46:36,600 --> 03:46:38,700
like to stop at that Motel
sometime.

3590
03:46:38,700 --> 03:46:39,700
God.
No.

3591
03:46:39,700 --> 03:46:42,300
Let the easy.
Yeah.

3592
03:46:45,400 --> 03:46:48,400
Are there any other state police
weren't actually able to get

3593
03:46:48,500 --> 03:46:53,900
permission to use that database?
The investigative genealogy

3594
03:46:53,900 --> 03:46:58,800
until 2019?
So this is still really, really

3595
03:46:58,800 --> 03:47:03,700
new.
That's they never had a suspect

3596
03:47:03,700 --> 03:47:07,800
or anyone before this, they just
had rant.

3597
03:47:07,800 --> 03:47:10,500
Like they just had DNA that they
could link to anybody.

3598
03:47:10,500 --> 03:47:14,000
Hmm.
So I think we're just going to

3599
03:47:14,000 --> 03:47:18,800
keep happening.
So yeah, it works you This one's

3600
03:47:18,800 --> 03:47:22,300
slightly, this is like the there
if they're at a dead end when

3601
03:47:22,300 --> 03:47:26,500
they have elected DNA evidence
and stuff like that and nothing

3602
03:47:26,500 --> 03:47:28,600
that connected to this is like
the thing they go to.

3603
03:47:28,600 --> 03:47:33,500
Now, like we learned And with
the one case I think it was not

3604
03:47:33,500 --> 03:47:39,800
just I'll call you with the Grim
sleeper you in order to get

3605
03:47:39,800 --> 03:47:46,400
access to do that.
You have to have used every

3606
03:47:46,400 --> 03:47:51,000
other form of policing, right
before they will allow you

3607
03:47:51,000 --> 03:47:54,600
access to, what is millions of
people's DNA.

3608
03:47:55,200 --> 03:47:57,500
And a lot of people feel, a lot
of ways about it.

3609
03:47:57,500 --> 03:48:00,600
It's one of the reasons why I've
never actually done a DNA test.

3610
03:48:01,800 --> 03:48:04,100
I would like to know what
percentage is what percentage.

3611
03:48:04,100 --> 03:48:07,500
But also on the other hand, I'm
like, do I want to know?

3612
03:48:07,500 --> 03:48:11,700
If somebody I'm related to is a
killer, Nah.

3613
03:48:11,700 --> 03:48:15,600
Nah, that's okay.
Now I got to rethink that

3614
03:48:15,600 --> 03:48:19,200
relationship.
Can you imagine what it was like

3615
03:48:19,200 --> 03:48:23,200
when Dennis readers daughter
found out that her dad was the

3616
03:48:23,500 --> 03:48:26,700
BTK killer?
I can't imagine.

3617
03:48:28,100 --> 03:48:31,000
I'll want that on my heart.
That's okay.

3618
03:48:32,600 --> 03:48:35,000
But what's your true crime case
this week Brian?

3619
03:48:35,600 --> 03:48:39,400
Okay, so apparently the story
has been going around and I'm

3620
03:48:39,400 --> 03:48:43,600
pretty sure if you guys have
been paying attention to True

3621
03:48:43,600 --> 03:48:45,800
Crime News, you've heard this as
well.

3622
03:48:46,900 --> 03:48:52,500
So there was an incident.
I guess we can only fans model

3623
03:48:52,800 --> 03:48:57,800
where she allegedly stabbed her
boyfriend to death, in their

3624
03:48:57,800 --> 03:49:03,900
apartment, Julie, Brian, I've
seen the photos on TMZ.

3625
03:49:04,500 --> 03:49:07,100
Homegirl is covered head to toe
in blood.

3626
03:49:07,600 --> 03:49:11,000
It is horrific.
One of my friends is in Miami

3627
03:49:11,000 --> 03:49:13,700
and was literally like I've been
in Miami for two weeks because

3628
03:49:13,700 --> 03:49:16,900
she's she's down there, looking
at like she has a business It's

3629
03:49:16,900 --> 03:49:19,300
and I guess she's trying to
expand and its potential.

3630
03:49:19,300 --> 03:49:21,100
She might be able to run her
business down there.

3631
03:49:21,100 --> 03:49:22,800
I'll miss her.
If she actually, they're one of

3632
03:49:22,800 --> 03:49:26,000
our sponsors.
Oh, really?

3633
03:49:26,100 --> 03:49:27,400
The bakery?
Yeah.

3634
03:49:27,700 --> 03:49:30,300
She's in Miami right now at your
service meet Cafe.

3635
03:49:30,500 --> 03:49:32,200
Yep.
I think I don't know if they're

3636
03:49:32,200 --> 03:49:33,700
going to be stimmy temporary or
something.

3637
03:49:33,700 --> 03:49:36,200
But they've been down there for
a while, but she definitely was

3638
03:49:36,200 --> 03:49:39,000
like she posted on Facebook.
She's like, I watch a lot of

3639
03:49:39,000 --> 03:49:41,000
CSI.
Miami before I came down here

3640
03:49:41,200 --> 03:49:43,600
and now I think there's
definitely a murder that just

3641
03:49:43,600 --> 03:49:46,400
happened.
I'm like, Bro.

3642
03:49:48,900 --> 03:49:52,200
So I'm like dang but yeah, like
it.

3643
03:49:53,500 --> 03:49:56,600
Yeah, I saw the picture soon as
like it's not legit like you

3644
03:49:56,600 --> 03:49:59,500
did.
It says a legend in this news

3645
03:49:59,500 --> 03:50:03,200
article so it's somebody's
blood.

3646
03:50:03,200 --> 03:50:05,000
Is it somebody's blood, who
knows?

3647
03:50:06,200 --> 03:50:09,600
Yeah.
So influence our her name is

3648
03:50:09,600 --> 03:50:15,400
Courtney claiming she's plenty
plenty in another name when she

3649
03:50:15,400 --> 03:50:18,600
was Is doing her only thing.
Yeah, it's a Courtney Taylor was

3650
03:50:18,600 --> 03:50:25,100
her other her suit for whatever
her stage name and interesting

3651
03:50:25,100 --> 03:50:26,700
question, why would you make
your stage name?

3652
03:50:26,700 --> 03:50:28,400
So close to your real name?
I don't know.

3653
03:50:28,400 --> 03:50:32,800
Like, I definitely change it all
thing first and last name.

3654
03:50:32,800 --> 03:50:36,000
Yep, absolutely.
I don't know my name.

3655
03:50:36,000 --> 03:50:38,200
My brain just said Isabella
demise.

3656
03:50:38,300 --> 03:50:41,200
That's so not a good name but
it's what popped into my head.

3657
03:50:43,000 --> 03:50:45,500
Gold Leaf is looking up.
She's probably there already.

3658
03:50:46,000 --> 03:50:48,400
Right.
Yeah, it's probably like I saw

3659
03:50:48,400 --> 03:50:51,900
that somewhere on Twitter.
Oh my God.

3660
03:50:52,100 --> 03:50:52,900
But yeah.
She's yeah.

3661
03:50:53,000 --> 03:50:57,200
She's 25 years old and her her
boyfriend.

3662
03:50:57,300 --> 03:50:59,800
His name was Christian.
I don't know.

3663
03:50:59,800 --> 03:51:01,000
I don't know how to pronounce
his last name.

3664
03:51:01,000 --> 03:51:03,700
I know he's African.
So he yeah, French last name.

3665
03:51:03,700 --> 03:51:09,000
Yeah he does and he's 27 but
yeah the cops they responded to

3666
03:51:09,000 --> 03:51:14,600
a 911 call around, you know,
5:00 on Sunday at you know, at

3667
03:51:14,600 --> 03:51:16,900
their apartment.
And this is like pretty said in

3668
03:51:17,100 --> 03:51:21,700
Miami Florida and they say they
found her boyfriend.

3669
03:51:21,700 --> 03:51:24,300
He was stabbed once in the
shoulder.

3670
03:51:26,600 --> 03:51:29,000
That's it is.
That's what it says.

3671
03:51:29,100 --> 03:51:30,900
It's.
Where is that blood?

3672
03:51:35,300 --> 03:51:38,900
The way that it was like, posted
all over social media over the

3673
03:51:38,900 --> 03:51:41,500
last couple days.
It's like she stabbed him to

3674
03:51:41,500 --> 03:51:43,300
death.
Like there were multiple

3675
03:51:43,300 --> 03:51:45,900
stabbings.
You know what I mean?

3676
03:51:45,900 --> 03:51:49,800
Yeah, like 11 stabbed was Otto,
dang.

3677
03:51:50,600 --> 03:51:54,300
Yeah.
It must have been like a really

3678
03:51:54,300 --> 03:51:56,600
deep wound or somewhere like
that.

3679
03:51:56,600 --> 03:51:59,800
Lets you the artery right.
Ye are exactly.

3680
03:51:59,800 --> 03:52:02,600
That's one thing for there to be
that kind of a spray that it's

3681
03:52:02,600 --> 03:52:05,400
all over her face.
Chase chest and legs.

3682
03:52:05,900 --> 03:52:07,800
That's a no.
That's an arterial spray.

3683
03:52:08,100 --> 03:52:09,000
Yeah.
Yeah yeah.

3684
03:52:09,000 --> 03:52:10,900
That's that's why all of them
blood.

3685
03:52:10,900 --> 03:52:12,900
Yep.
That's rather but come from

3686
03:52:13,700 --> 03:52:15,700
that's the only way if it was
only One time.

3687
03:52:15,700 --> 03:52:17,100
Wow.
See the way the media was

3688
03:52:17,100 --> 03:52:19,700
returning.
It was that she like went full

3689
03:52:19,700 --> 03:52:26,800
like Jason Voorhees.
But yeah, he died at the

3690
03:52:26,800 --> 03:52:28,300
hospital.
Actually, he didn't even die.

3691
03:52:28,300 --> 03:52:30,400
There.
He was still alive.

3692
03:52:30,400 --> 03:52:33,200
Yeah, he he died at the
hospital.

3693
03:52:34,200 --> 03:52:37,900
Like I said, the first thing
that I saw was the TMZ pictures.

3694
03:52:38,100 --> 03:52:43,400
The somebody took from like
their apartment building across

3695
03:52:43,400 --> 03:52:45,400
from her.
The other apartment building.

3696
03:52:45,500 --> 03:52:49,000
Yeah, we can see, right clearly.
She's like sitting on the ground

3697
03:52:49,000 --> 03:52:54,600
cuffed and there's blood on her
face, her little tube. be top

3698
03:52:54,600 --> 03:53:02,000
her sweat pants are soaked, like
So, I assumed homeboy was dead

3699
03:53:02,000 --> 03:53:04,000
dead before the police even got
there.

3700
03:53:05,100 --> 03:53:07,300
Yeah.
Wow.

3701
03:53:07,400 --> 03:53:15,500
Yeah, yeah, it's wild how the
media portrays things they got

3702
03:53:15,500 --> 03:53:18,400
me.
Yeah, that's all I saw.

3703
03:53:18,400 --> 03:53:20,900
I didn't look any other articles
I was like, oh, look at that.

3704
03:53:21,600 --> 03:53:25,400
White girl killed a black man.
That's that's what drew me into

3705
03:53:25,400 --> 03:53:27,000
it.
I was like, God kid.

3706
03:53:27,000 --> 03:53:34,300
Here we go again, I'm so sorry.
But yeah, they said there's the

3707
03:53:34,300 --> 03:53:36,900
cops.
That there was obviously like a

3708
03:53:36,900 --> 03:53:41,400
physical altercation before
she's she he was stabbed.

3709
03:53:41,400 --> 03:53:48,700
So, So, like people, people like
that, who are her friends, AP,

3710
03:53:48,700 --> 03:53:52,500
said that they've seen him hit
her and stuff like that.

3711
03:53:52,500 --> 03:53:59,200
Like yeah, you know, if you girl
getting just be oh wait, no, no,

3712
03:53:59,200 --> 03:54:00,600
no, my bad.
I read the wrong.

3713
03:54:01,000 --> 03:54:08,900
It says we seen her hit him and
that I've never yeah.

3714
03:54:08,900 --> 03:54:13,000
I've never seen him hit her.
Gotcha, so obvious.

3715
03:54:13,100 --> 03:54:16,100
Asleep must have been something
that she was doing.

3716
03:54:17,700 --> 03:54:19,200
Yeah.
See this popped up on my

3717
03:54:19,200 --> 03:54:24,000
Facebook timeline because people
pulled a lot of his really like

3718
03:54:24,000 --> 03:54:30,700
rude posts and Tweets.
We're like like, you know, rest

3719
03:54:30,700 --> 03:54:33,500
in peace, he did die in.
That is sad, but apparently, he

3720
03:54:33,500 --> 03:54:37,400
was one of those people who
thought that, if he could net

3721
03:54:37,400 --> 03:54:42,000
himself a beautiful white woman
that made him a better person

3722
03:54:42,000 --> 03:54:44,400
than everybody else.
You know, and it's kind of

3723
03:54:44,400 --> 03:54:48,500
crappy to treat your partner to
put them on a pedestal like that

3724
03:54:48,500 --> 03:54:51,700
it's not fair to the person
who's being idolized but it's

3725
03:54:51,700 --> 03:54:55,000
also real crappy.
When every opportunity you get

3726
03:54:55,000 --> 03:54:58,300
you trash talk every other group
of women, right?

3727
03:54:58,300 --> 03:55:00,700
Yeah.
So like he couldn't just be

3728
03:55:00,700 --> 03:55:02,500
like, wow, I really love my
girlfriend.

3729
03:55:02,500 --> 03:55:05,700
It would be like I can't stand
black girls, blah, blah, blah,

3730
03:55:05,700 --> 03:55:07,700
blah blah.
And I'm like, dude, nobody asked

3731
03:55:07,700 --> 03:55:12,000
you like the such a, it's such a
weird thing.

3732
03:55:12,000 --> 03:55:15,200
And a lot of people Like a lot
of do do this online and I'm

3733
03:55:15,200 --> 03:55:18,100
just like love who you love.
You ain't got a tear everybody

3734
03:55:18,100 --> 03:55:22,200
else down, right?
Like and I gotta I gotta be

3735
03:55:22,200 --> 03:55:23,700
wrong with you.
I was like that too.

3736
03:55:23,700 --> 03:55:26,000
And so one of my friends was
like, you know, when you say

3737
03:55:26,000 --> 03:55:28,300
things like real women have
curves, it kind of makes me feel

3738
03:55:28,300 --> 03:55:30,400
sad.
And I was like, oh dang, I

3739
03:55:30,400 --> 03:55:34,400
thought this was just, you know,
like the fat girl, you know,

3740
03:55:34,400 --> 03:55:36,700
acceptance rock.
All right.

3741
03:55:36,700 --> 03:55:39,400
Not thinking that like you know,
all women are real, women,

3742
03:55:39,400 --> 03:55:43,200
doesn't matter what you look
like, you know, This is true, my

3743
03:55:43,200 --> 03:55:44,900
best friends.
And so I adjusted the way that I

3744
03:55:44,900 --> 03:55:47,400
speak about certain things, like
I like, what I like, and I will

3745
03:55:47,400 --> 03:55:49,300
say that I, like the things that
I like, but I'll need to talk

3746
03:55:49,300 --> 03:55:51,300
about things.
I don't like, but regardless.

3747
03:55:51,300 --> 03:55:53,300
So, that's how he popped up on
my timeline.

3748
03:55:53,500 --> 03:55:56,800
And then when I looked him up, I
saw the TMZ article but like so,

3749
03:55:56,800 --> 03:55:59,800
where is home girl?
Right now, I'm guessing some

3750
03:56:00,000 --> 03:56:03,500
police station, or at least she
got booked and bail or

3751
03:56:03,500 --> 03:56:06,300
something.
Okay, so here's a story birdie

3752
03:56:07,000 --> 03:56:13,400
so miss Courtney, you know, she
was the team Are police station,

3753
03:56:14,200 --> 03:56:18,000
you know, after, you know, she
was after the stabbing and, you

3754
03:56:18,000 --> 03:56:21,100
know, they found her and stuff
like that after a while.

3755
03:56:21,100 --> 03:56:22,900
You know, she started saying
that, you know, she's sort of

3756
03:56:22,900 --> 03:56:24,800
saying, you know, I'm a kill
myself.

3757
03:56:25,300 --> 03:56:29,000
I'm gonna live myself stuff like
that.

3758
03:56:29,700 --> 03:56:31,600
Well, it's okay, we're not on
Tick-Tock, you can actually

3759
03:56:32,700 --> 03:56:34,900
hear.
It's just on other platforms, we

3760
03:56:34,900 --> 03:56:38,100
have to come up with creative
ways to say killed yourself,

3761
03:56:38,100 --> 03:56:39,200
right?
Right.

3762
03:56:40,200 --> 03:56:44,500
Anti bullying.
And Apparently in Florida, there

3763
03:56:44,500 --> 03:56:49,600
is an act that protects people.
I don't say don't say, you

3764
03:56:49,600 --> 03:56:51,300
forget me.
It protects people, obviously

3765
03:56:51,300 --> 03:56:55,700
like okay, and it's called The
Baker Act, okay?

3766
03:56:55,700 --> 03:57:01,000
Well, and it allows law
enforcement as well as doctors

3767
03:57:01,000 --> 03:57:04,600
mental health professionals and
judges to commit a person to a

3768
03:57:04,600 --> 03:57:07,900
mental health treatment center
for up to 72 hours.

3769
03:57:08,300 --> 03:57:13,600
If a certain violent or Suicidal
Tendencies, These are displayed.

3770
03:57:14,300 --> 03:57:18,100
Okay so she's on a she's on what
you call it I guess.

3771
03:57:18,100 --> 03:57:20,600
Suicide watch mandatory hold.
Yeah, there you go.

3772
03:57:21,100 --> 03:57:24,700
Okay and this happened a couple
of okay but this was last

3773
03:57:24,700 --> 03:57:29,400
Friday.
So it's been a week. 72 hours is

3774
03:57:30,100 --> 03:57:32,800
less than a week where she now
Brian.

3775
03:57:33,400 --> 03:57:35,400
It's I think she's still at the
cheese.

3776
03:57:35,400 --> 03:57:39,100
Still at the mental institution.
Oh, come on.

3777
03:57:39,100 --> 03:57:40,900
He's still there.
She's dead.

3778
03:57:40,900 --> 03:57:43,400
Okay.
She was just, she probably does

3779
03:57:43,400 --> 03:57:47,000
need mental health care.
She just stabbed a man, but like

3780
03:57:49,500 --> 03:57:52,700
Um, okay so she's not he hasn't
been arraigned.

3781
03:57:53,000 --> 03:57:55,000
No.
So she was detained on April

3782
03:57:55,000 --> 03:57:57,700
3rd.
It did.

3783
03:57:57,900 --> 03:57:58,900
Oh wait.
Okay.

3784
03:57:58,900 --> 03:58:00,100
So this actually was it last
week?

3785
03:58:00,100 --> 03:58:04,400
This was today's the day.
Yeah.

3786
03:58:04,400 --> 03:58:05,700
Okay.
So it's been five days since

3787
03:58:05,700 --> 03:58:06,900
this happened.
Yeah.

3788
03:58:07,000 --> 03:58:10,000
But so she's you know it still
hold onto her.

3789
03:58:10,100 --> 03:58:14,700
Yeah, it's funny because it says
that her her content was still

3790
03:58:14,700 --> 03:58:17,900
uploaded on the fourth after she
was a team.

3791
03:58:17,900 --> 03:58:20,100
I mean, you can schedule post to
be update.

3792
03:58:20,100 --> 03:58:24,600
Yeah, yeah yeah yeah, yeah, it's
a thing that can happen.

3793
03:58:24,600 --> 03:58:29,200
Like so at the moment she's a
Not face any charges for her

3794
03:58:29,200 --> 03:58:32,100
boyfriend's.
Death at all or his murder.

3795
03:58:32,500 --> 03:58:37,500
Okay.
I mean, okay and like is that's

3796
03:58:37,500 --> 03:58:40,400
the thing that when I saw his I
was like, what the fuck you

3797
03:58:40,400 --> 03:58:42,700
talking about it?
She like obviously killed him.

3798
03:58:42,700 --> 03:58:49,100
Why is Sheena might get charges
once she gets out of the suicide

3799
03:58:49,100 --> 03:58:55,800
watch.
Yeah, it just it just like when

3800
03:58:55,800 --> 03:59:01,000
I saw it, I was like Here we go
again.

3801
03:59:02,200 --> 03:59:06,800
That's wild and listen like I
know that the majority of our

3802
03:59:06,800 --> 03:59:10,400
listeners are women and I'm sure
a lot of you are white women.

3803
03:59:10,600 --> 03:59:12,900
So obviously, I'm not talking
about you.

3804
03:59:13,200 --> 03:59:18,800
But historically relationships
with white women and black men

3805
03:59:19,600 --> 03:59:24,600
have not always been the best
know.

3806
03:59:24,600 --> 03:59:29,600
I remember this is a personal
story for me.

3807
03:59:30,600 --> 03:59:34,900
Because I remember like, when I
was younger or like, I don't

3808
03:59:34,900 --> 03:59:37,700
know, start starting to date
and, you know, and, you know,

3809
03:59:38,600 --> 03:59:50,600
tell him I like him.
Okay.

3810
03:59:56,000 --> 04:00:11,900
Okay.
Took it.

3811
04:00:13,500 --> 04:00:14,500
Yeah.
Oh no.

3812
04:00:14,500 --> 04:00:16,400
How would you define that time
of your life?

3813
04:00:17,000 --> 04:00:20,600
I was it was it was like my
first girlfriend, my first

3814
04:00:20,600 --> 04:00:27,200
actual girlfriend and I was just
like, I'm done in love Bubble,

3815
04:00:27,200 --> 04:00:30,800
blah, own protector of those
know, you guys don't know what

3816
04:00:30,800 --> 04:00:33,800
you're talking about.
She was like cheating on you and

3817
04:00:33,800 --> 04:00:43,300
stuff.
Yeah just personally like It's

3818
04:00:43,300 --> 04:00:45,700
like one of those things I was
watching a Lovecraft country

3819
04:00:45,700 --> 04:00:49,400
last year and it occurred to me,
just this pop into my head.

3820
04:00:49,400 --> 04:00:51,900
While I was watching the show,
the people who make our laws

3821
04:00:51,900 --> 04:00:53,700
right now and grew up during Jim
Crow.

3822
04:00:55,400 --> 04:00:59,800
That makes me feel very
uncomfortable and make that

3823
04:01:00,000 --> 04:01:03,100
their formative years were when
it was okay to Lynch somebody.

3824
04:01:03,800 --> 04:01:08,100
So I think I won't feel like it
feels weird to be like, maybe

3825
04:01:08,100 --> 04:01:10,600
I'll feel better when the
boomers are gone.

3826
04:01:10,800 --> 04:01:14,300
People like, I don't know, but
like like, we're still connected

3827
04:01:14,300 --> 04:01:16,500
to all these times.
Historically, were terrible

3828
04:01:16,500 --> 04:01:20,100
things happen to black people
and so I still feel that caution

3829
04:01:20,300 --> 04:01:25,600
and obviously some people don't
Well, like we still live in a

3830
04:01:25,608 --> 04:01:30,300
world where, you know, if you're
cute and blond you can get away

3831
04:01:30,300 --> 04:01:32,200
with murder so far.
I hope she does it.

3832
04:01:32,200 --> 04:01:35,100
I hope that after they release
her she does face the

3833
04:01:35,100 --> 04:01:40,300
consequences of her actions
because him choosing to be in a

3834
04:01:40,500 --> 04:01:42,800
abusive relationship.
Should not have been the end of

3835
04:01:42,800 --> 04:01:44,100
his life, right?
Absolutely.

3836
04:01:44,700 --> 04:01:47,200
He should have had the
opportunity to get out and get

3837
04:01:47,200 --> 04:01:50,800
help and heard you the same.
And, you know, ultimately, when

3838
04:01:50,800 --> 04:01:54,500
these things happen, everybody
involved, the one person's Dead.

3839
04:01:54,500 --> 04:01:57,400
The other person goes to jail
and nothing gets better.

3840
04:01:59,200 --> 04:02:02,900
And it's sad because he was just
like, I guess a week away from

3841
04:02:02,900 --> 04:02:06,800
turning 28.
So it's just life, cut short.

3842
04:02:06,800 --> 04:02:08,500
Yeah.
And the other thing is that this

3843
04:02:08,500 --> 04:02:12,000
does highlight like you know I
make some some silly jokes but

3844
04:02:12,000 --> 04:02:15,800
this does highlight another
situation where her friends said

3845
04:02:16,100 --> 04:02:19,500
she hits him so he was in a
position.

3846
04:02:19,500 --> 04:02:24,200
He's in a situation where There
was no good ending other than

3847
04:02:24,200 --> 04:02:27,600
him, just walking away.
Because if he hits her back he's

3848
04:02:27,600 --> 04:02:30,200
going to prison as a black man
who had a white woman.

3849
04:02:31,800 --> 04:02:36,600
He does nothing, he ends up
dying like the only the only

3850
04:02:36,600 --> 04:02:40,200
solution here was for him to do
the hardest thing to do when

3851
04:02:40,200 --> 04:02:44,100
you're being abused which is a
wave.

3852
04:02:44,100 --> 04:02:48,500
The person you love.
Yeah. and you know, I can't be

3853
04:02:48,500 --> 04:02:51,400
too judgmental there because I
went through it myself so did

3854
04:02:51,400 --> 04:03:09,200
you
But today's case is one, that

3855
04:03:09,200 --> 04:03:12,100
despite the death toll there,
just wasn't a whole lot of

3856
04:03:12,100 --> 04:03:15,300
information about it.
This guy began killing in 1997.

3857
04:03:15,300 --> 04:03:18,400
He wasn't called until you were
a senior in high school Brian.

3858
04:03:18,600 --> 04:03:22,600
Oh my God.
Yeah, that this happened very

3859
04:03:22,600 --> 04:03:27,300
much a during our life.
Wait, when you were 2006 right?

3860
04:03:27,600 --> 04:03:29,700
Yeah, that's when I graduated.
Yep.

3861
04:03:31,300 --> 04:03:34,300
He was an outcast, a misfit.
But he also went under the radar

3862
04:03:34,300 --> 04:03:37,900
for about nine years.
If I say the name, Ronald

3863
04:03:37,900 --> 04:03:39,700
Dominique.
Does that mean anything to you?

3864
04:03:42,300 --> 04:03:45,900
No, really, that's okay.
His other name was the Bay.

3865
04:03:45,900 --> 04:03:51,000
You the BIOS trenkler.
It's been a little over a year

3866
04:03:51,000 --> 04:03:54,100
since I discuss any killers from
Louisiana and I got to be really

3867
04:03:54,100 --> 04:03:56,400
honest.
I needed a break from the very

3868
04:03:56,400 --> 04:04:00,200
confusing criss-crossing,
killers of California.

3869
04:04:00,900 --> 04:04:03,300
The last three cases
inadvertently.

3870
04:04:03,300 --> 04:04:07,700
Like there were just crisscross
over and cases on happening.

3871
04:04:07,700 --> 04:04:12,300
Concurrently just Cal, covering
California, Killers is

3872
04:04:12,300 --> 04:04:14,900
stressful.
So today we're going to talk

3873
04:04:14,900 --> 04:04:17,900
about a guy that no one really
expected much from.

3874
04:04:18,700 --> 04:04:21,500
Well, Louisiana obviously got a
little bit more than they

3875
04:04:21,500 --> 04:04:27,200
bargained.
For Ronald Joseph, Dominique was

3876
04:04:27,200 --> 04:04:30,900
born, January 9th 1964, had a
very small town in Louisiana

3877
04:04:31,100 --> 04:04:34,000
called Thibodeau.
He was one of six children

3878
04:04:34,200 --> 04:04:37,400
Thibodeau is a really small town
than and even now it only has

3879
04:04:37,400 --> 04:04:39,000
15,000 people who live there
today.

3880
04:04:40,300 --> 04:04:42,500
Ronald grew.
Like he was born right on the

3881
04:04:42,500 --> 04:04:45,400
cusp of change in the entire
country.

3882
04:04:45,800 --> 04:04:49,200
But he was a poor white kid from
a poor, white family, in a

3883
04:04:49,208 --> 04:04:51,600
trailer park, and a poverty
stricken town.

3884
04:04:52,200 --> 04:04:55,700
So, change change.
What's happened in other places?

3885
04:04:57,300 --> 04:04:59,600
Now, his immediate childhood
wasn't traumatic, there's

3886
04:04:59,600 --> 04:05:02,300
absolutely nothing that pops up
in any of the history books.

3887
04:05:02,400 --> 04:05:05,500
But sometime during Elementary
School to rumors, began to

3888
04:05:05,500 --> 04:05:08,200
circulate and both of them were
pretty terrible.

3889
04:05:08,400 --> 04:05:11,200
The first one was that there was
incest going on in the Dominique

3890
04:05:11,200 --> 04:05:14,500
household and that Ronald had
walked in on his mother and one

3891
04:05:14,500 --> 04:05:17,900
of his brothers.
The other was that Ronald told

3892
04:05:17,900 --> 04:05:21,300
his parents that a priest,
molested him and his parents

3893
04:05:21,300 --> 04:05:23,400
didn't believe him.
And of course we all learned

3894
04:05:23,400 --> 04:05:26,700
decades later, but across the
country, the Catholic church had

3895
04:05:26,700 --> 04:05:28,300
conspired.
You're too high pedophilia when

3896
04:05:28,300 --> 04:05:31,200
it was in its ranks, right?
So it's plausible that this did

3897
04:05:31,200 --> 04:05:35,100
happen to him when he was small.
And if you're wondering why I

3898
04:05:35,100 --> 04:05:38,500
haven't mentioned a lots of his
brothers or sisters or even his

3899
04:05:38,500 --> 04:05:42,000
mother and father by name, I
have no less than 10 resources

3900
04:05:42,000 --> 04:05:45,600
for this week, and they don't
mention his family's names

3901
04:05:45,700 --> 04:05:48,600
really, which lets me know that
these people don't want to be

3902
04:05:48,600 --> 04:05:51,500
known, huh?
Occasionally, a name of a sister

3903
04:05:51,500 --> 04:05:54,300
or a brother pops up later on in
the story.

3904
04:05:54,300 --> 04:05:59,700
But like, apparently people did
not want to be known as being

3905
04:05:59,700 --> 04:06:06,000
connected to this man.
Now, the incest rumors and the

3906
04:06:06,700 --> 04:06:09,800
molestation are huge part of his
childhood in pre-adolescence,

3907
04:06:10,000 --> 04:06:13,000
and they definitely have Bay are
probably the first time he was

3908
04:06:13,000 --> 04:06:17,300
introduced to the concepts of
sex and sexual deviancy, which

3909
04:06:17,600 --> 04:06:21,000
didn't help him grow up better.
And he walked his way into

3910
04:06:21,000 --> 04:06:25,700
adolescence feeling inadequate
and I can adequate and

3911
04:06:25,700 --> 04:06:29,400
struggling with his appearance
and the beginning feelings of

3912
04:06:29,400 --> 04:06:35,000
homosexuality, He was a weird
kid and there was an air of

3913
04:06:35,000 --> 04:06:39,900
absurdity about him.
Like when you talk to Ronald, he

3914
04:06:39,900 --> 04:06:42,300
was always putting on a little
show for anyone watching.

3915
04:06:42,500 --> 04:06:49,800
This was him trying to like
Trying to find a way to kind of

3916
04:06:49,800 --> 04:06:52,800
mitigate the bullying make
people laugh.

3917
04:06:53,300 --> 04:06:55,900
Using the Glee Club he sang in
choir.

3918
04:06:59,400 --> 04:07:03,800
And that behavior was enough for
his peers to label him as gay.

3919
04:07:04,300 --> 04:07:10,900
What really, uh-huh.
What I was supposed to be the

3920
04:07:10,900 --> 04:07:16,800
Glee Club when I was nice.
Okay, okay.

3921
04:07:20,100 --> 04:07:24,700
He never did anyone openly and
he was actively hiding any

3922
04:07:24,700 --> 04:07:31,900
homosexuality from his peers but
it did not matter. he did the

3923
04:07:31,900 --> 04:07:35,500
painful process of masking
hilly, really was to appear in

3924
04:07:35,500 --> 04:07:39,600
normal and the other Factor was
that even without people calling

3925
04:07:39,600 --> 04:07:45,200
him gay, he was also overweight
and he didn't exactly, Look

3926
04:07:45,200 --> 04:07:49,100
good.
He had meddling grades and he

3927
04:07:49,100 --> 04:07:51,800
graduated from Thibodaux High
School in 1983.

3928
04:07:53,300 --> 04:07:57,000
Now, he kind of played with the
concept of college for a bit and

3929
04:07:57,000 --> 04:07:59,600
running and rolls and nickel
State University and Thibodeau.

3930
04:07:59,600 --> 04:08:03,100
For computer science.
Ronald did not focus on school

3931
04:08:03,100 --> 04:08:07,200
at all.
He was enchanted by the openly

3932
04:08:07,200 --> 04:08:10,600
gay population of students and
all the different organizations

3933
04:08:10,600 --> 04:08:15,300
he could join.
It was okay to be out at school.

3934
04:08:16,400 --> 04:08:20,500
Well, not quite the gay
community in Louisiana wasn't

3935
04:08:20,500 --> 04:08:26,500
its egg form, very small and a
very specific type of person

3936
04:08:26,800 --> 04:08:31,100
that they was allowed to be out
and proud.

3937
04:08:31,600 --> 04:08:34,700
And I'll just be blunt.
There's a word that I want to

3938
04:08:34,700 --> 04:08:38,500
use here that I know gay folks
have reclaimed, but I'll know if

3939
04:08:38,500 --> 04:08:41,400
it's a my word to reclaim since
I'm not a queer man.

3940
04:08:41,700 --> 04:08:44,600
So I'm going to just say that
these are very hot young studs

3941
04:08:44,600 --> 04:08:49,800
who are skinny And people who
are gay, will know the word that

3942
04:08:49,800 --> 04:08:55,300
I mean, okay.
And other people just know that

3943
04:08:55,300 --> 04:08:58,800
these the kind of guys who talk
about their thin, they're like

3944
04:08:58,800 --> 04:09:06,500
fit their law on the shorter
side and definitely hot since

3945
04:09:07,400 --> 04:09:10,200
the people who were allowed who
know who were it were more out,

3946
04:09:10,200 --> 04:09:12,600
we're definitely not the chubby
awkward singers.

3947
04:09:14,600 --> 04:09:18,000
So Ronald did not find his
tribe.

3948
04:09:18,700 --> 04:09:21,900
And in fact, he was very
off-putting to many of the folks

3949
04:09:21,900 --> 04:09:25,600
in the community who met him.
Like during his first year at

3950
04:09:25,600 --> 04:09:30,400
school, they had like a Pride
Celebration and he like did a

3951
04:09:30,400 --> 04:09:36,000
Patti LaBelle impression and
everybody was like this is

3952
04:09:36,000 --> 04:09:38,100
weird.
He was he was doing like

3953
04:09:38,100 --> 04:09:41,500
cross-dressing try to do drag at
the local gay clubs and nobody

3954
04:09:42,400 --> 04:09:47,500
who promised it at all.
He actually stopped hanging out

3955
04:09:47,500 --> 04:09:50,200
with the gay kids and stopped
hanging out with anybody.

3956
04:09:50,400 --> 04:09:53,900
You got it assessed with like
making crank calls from his

3957
04:09:53,900 --> 04:09:57,300
house.
And on June 12th 1985 he was

3958
04:09:57,300 --> 04:09:59,700
charged with telephone
harassment.

3959
04:10:01,900 --> 04:10:05,700
It was a seventy five dollar
fine and he was warned to stop

3960
04:10:05,700 --> 04:10:09,500
calling people and being creepy
and sexual on the phone, who

3961
04:10:09,500 --> 04:10:11,400
know?
That's not a prank calling he

3962
04:10:12,700 --> 04:10:13,800
know.
That's why I said it was

3963
04:10:13,800 --> 04:10:17,100
telephone harassment.
He was calling people and being

3964
04:10:17,100 --> 04:10:18,900
nasty.
Oh my God.

3965
04:10:19,700 --> 04:10:21,900
Now, back in the trailer park,
though, he was beloved by his

3966
04:10:21,900 --> 04:10:24,400
neighbor's, he crafted this
public Persona of being the

3967
04:10:24,400 --> 04:10:27,500
super nice guy, he volunteered
with the elderly help, anybody,

3968
04:10:27,500 --> 04:10:30,000
who asks, he never really found
his footing, though.

3969
04:10:30,700 --> 04:10:33,000
He worked odd jobs.
Obviously lives in a double-wide

3970
04:10:33,000 --> 04:10:37,300
with his mom and sister until he
could afford his own and pretty

3971
04:10:37,300 --> 04:10:39,500
much all of his adult life was
like this.

3972
04:10:39,900 --> 04:10:43,400
Now Ronald did do drugs and he
also sold drugs to make extra

3973
04:10:43,400 --> 04:10:45,500
money that's actually the first
time.

3974
04:10:48,400 --> 04:10:51,100
So the first time, he was
reported to the police in

3975
04:10:51,100 --> 04:10:53,700
regards to sexual crimes was in
1993.

3976
04:10:54,500 --> 04:10:57,100
A local Drifter went to the
police and said that Ronald

3977
04:10:57,100 --> 04:11:01,000
raped him at gunpoint.
He said he met Ronald about two

3978
04:11:01,000 --> 04:11:03,600
days before the attacks, they
discussed a we buy.

3979
04:11:04,000 --> 04:11:07,100
He went around Taos and he said
that run was real antsy and kept

3980
04:11:07,100 --> 04:11:09,100
saying, he want to show him
where his stash was.

3981
04:11:09,400 --> 04:11:11,600
So he was like, just waiting
this room and then I'll tell

3982
04:11:11,600 --> 04:11:14,300
you, I'm ready.
And so he was like, I'm ready

3983
04:11:14,300 --> 04:11:15,600
and then like he walked into the
guy.

3984
04:11:15,700 --> 04:11:18,000
So the guy walks in Reynolds
bathroom.

3985
04:11:18,400 --> 04:11:21,600
And there was a gun in his face,
he said that Ronald cuffed him

3986
04:11:21,600 --> 04:11:23,200
removed, his clothes and raped
him.

3987
04:11:23,300 --> 04:11:25,700
Then he took off the handcuffs
and told the guy to get out of

3988
04:11:25,708 --> 04:11:29,900
his house.
This would have seemed like an

3989
04:11:29,900 --> 04:11:34,500
open-and-shut case, right?
But in 1993, the police and

3990
04:11:34,500 --> 04:11:38,800
Thibodeaux had never had a case
of a rare, a man raping another

3991
04:11:38,800 --> 04:11:43,900
man, and this is went in his 70s
still, right?

3992
04:11:44,100 --> 04:11:46,500
Well, no.
Now we're in 1993, all 93.

3993
04:11:46,500 --> 04:11:49,300
Okay, so, I mean, even still
like the police.

3994
04:11:49,300 --> 04:11:52,700
They're just little bigger in
93, but everything's not San

3995
04:11:52,700 --> 04:11:53,900
Francisco.
Yeah.

3996
04:11:54,000 --> 04:11:58,800
So, unless a cops in the 90s or
whenever there's Just like a

3997
04:11:58,808 --> 04:12:02,400
little.
Yeah, if you don't touching gay

3998
04:12:02,400 --> 04:12:06,500
scenes, a crime scene, they
didn't do anything.

3999
04:12:09,400 --> 04:12:15,100
Ronald fell back.
Things were really low-key.

4000
04:12:15,100 --> 04:12:21,400
He just did, he went, he did odd
jobs and then He went home, he

4001
04:12:21,400 --> 04:12:25,400
drank a lot of alcohol.
The next time he gets in trouble

4002
04:12:25,400 --> 04:12:30,900
is May of 1984, he gets a DWI
again, only a fine.

4003
04:12:33,900 --> 04:12:38,600
Now the next big moment and
Ronald will consider this to be

4004
04:12:38,600 --> 04:12:40,400
one of the most poignant of his
life.

4005
04:12:41,000 --> 04:12:45,200
But August 25th. 1996, a
half-naked young guy jumps out

4006
04:12:45,200 --> 04:12:48,500
of the window of the trailer and
runs to the neighbors and says

4007
04:12:48,500 --> 04:12:50,500
that Ronald tried to rape and
kill him.

4008
04:12:50,800 --> 04:12:53,900
He said he'd been tied up held
at knifepoint and raped.

4009
04:12:55,000 --> 04:12:57,500
The police may not have been
well versed in dealing with male

4010
04:12:57,500 --> 04:12:59,900
rape cases, but they sure knew
what to do with an attempted

4011
04:12:59,900 --> 04:13:02,500
murder and he was arrested in
his bail, was set at 100

4012
04:13:02,500 --> 04:13:06,200
thousand dollars, there you go.
I guess that that works that

4013
04:13:06,200 --> 04:13:09,700
works.
Now while awaiting trial, Ronald

4014
04:13:09,700 --> 04:13:15,000
is left in gen pop and brutally
raped on a near constant basis

4015
04:13:15,500 --> 04:13:18,900
in prison frequently having to
go to the infirmary from

4016
04:13:18,900 --> 04:13:23,900
beatings, having his rectum
stitched from how bad the

4017
04:13:23,900 --> 04:13:28,900
assaults were.
Ronald said after he was caught

4018
04:13:28,900 --> 04:13:32,300
later on, that prison was when
he decided that he was never

4019
04:13:32,300 --> 04:13:35,900
going back to jail and that he
was going to kill the next

4020
04:13:35,900 --> 04:13:38,500
person.
He raped to make sure he didn't

4021
04:13:38,500 --> 04:13:40,000
go back.
Wow.

4022
04:13:42,900 --> 04:13:44,800
So that happened in May of 96
rate.

4023
04:13:44,800 --> 04:13:49,500
So, by November of 96 he's just
getting raped like every day in

4024
04:13:49,500 --> 04:13:53,600
prison and the prosecution is
trying to put together a case.

4025
04:13:53,900 --> 04:13:57,200
And finally the judge is just
like you can't keep this man in

4026
04:13:57,200 --> 04:14:00,900
prison indefinitely and the
prosecutor is just like we can't

4027
04:14:00,900 --> 04:14:04,300
find the victim.
The kid was gone.

4028
04:14:04,900 --> 04:14:07,200
They couldn't even prove his
identity based on the

4029
04:14:07,200 --> 04:14:12,400
information that he had told to
the police, the day that he told

4030
04:14:12,400 --> 04:14:13,700
them.
That Ronald had raped him.

4031
04:14:14,100 --> 04:14:16,300
Well no victim.
There's no trialed.

4032
04:14:16,700 --> 04:14:22,600
Ronald is released.
He left prison a better man with

4033
04:14:22,600 --> 04:14:25,200
severe resentment toward the
justice system.

4034
04:14:26,100 --> 04:14:28,700
He said he'd been wrongly
accused and they had allowed him

4035
04:14:28,700 --> 04:14:31,900
to be abused and prison based on
lies.

4036
04:14:33,700 --> 04:14:36,500
And he began killing people,
nine months after his release.

4037
04:14:39,200 --> 04:14:42,900
David Mitchell was 19 years old
on July 13th. 1997, when he went

4038
04:14:42,900 --> 04:14:45,700
missing, he was this really
vibrant.

4039
04:14:45,700 --> 04:14:48,600
Happy guy.
Who was last seen at a family

4040
04:14:48,600 --> 04:14:52,300
birthday party when he didn't
make it to work the following

4041
04:14:52,300 --> 04:14:55,100
Monday.
People were alarmed, David

4042
04:14:55,100 --> 04:14:58,400
worked at the st.
Charles Parish Hospital, and he

4043
04:14:58,400 --> 04:15:03,500
loved his job, and he was never
late didn't matter if he had a

4044
04:15:03,500 --> 04:15:06,600
hard party and weekend before
and he was hungover.

4045
04:15:07,700 --> 04:15:12,800
He was always on time.
David's boss called his mom and

4046
04:15:12,800 --> 04:15:16,400
his mom called his sister.
And the two were actually like

4047
04:15:16,800 --> 04:15:18,400
roommates, they were living
together.

4048
04:15:18,600 --> 04:15:20,800
And so the sister went to her
brother's room and she was just

4049
04:15:20,800 --> 04:15:22,500
like his uniform and his
hospital.

4050
04:15:22,500 --> 04:15:24,400
His Hospital ID are still in the
house.

4051
04:15:24,500 --> 04:15:27,700
So now here's the worst thing
that happened.

4052
04:15:27,700 --> 04:15:31,000
Okay.
The family is it's like what the

4053
04:15:31,000 --> 04:15:35,200
following Monday the family is
freaking out there calling

4054
04:15:35,200 --> 04:15:37,200
people to trying to figure.
They're contacting his friends

4055
04:15:37,400 --> 04:15:40,200
before the police could contact
the family.

4056
04:15:40,500 --> 04:15:44,400
A news report pops on TV,
detailing the death of a young

4057
04:15:44,400 --> 04:15:47,200
black man found on Interstate
310.

4058
04:15:47,400 --> 04:15:50,300
His pants were pulled down and
he'd been strangled.

4059
04:15:50,400 --> 04:15:53,500
The news actually showed the
body.

4060
04:15:53,500 --> 04:15:59,100
Oh my God.
And David's sister saw his

4061
04:15:59,100 --> 04:16:02,300
corpse live on television.
That is wild.

4062
04:16:02,700 --> 04:16:04,800
Excuse me.
That's wild.

4063
04:16:06,800 --> 04:16:12,000
He had been severely, beaten,
and strangled and The family was

4064
04:16:12,000 --> 04:16:17,400
traumatized, obviously.
Yeah, I said that based on the

4065
04:16:17,400 --> 04:16:19,900
image on scream, it looked like
he'd been screaming when he

4066
04:16:19,900 --> 04:16:23,200
died.
Damn, the Mitchell Family

4067
04:16:24,500 --> 04:16:27,900
wouldn't learn what actually
happened to him until 2006,

4068
04:16:29,600 --> 04:16:32,100
Ronald would tell the police
that he met David at a gay bar,

4069
04:16:33,200 --> 04:16:35,900
but that this wasn't consensual
by any means.

4070
04:16:35,900 --> 04:16:38,000
He said that Ronald could
convey.

4071
04:16:38,100 --> 04:16:40,300
Ronald said, he convince David
to leave the bar under false A

4072
04:16:40,308 --> 04:16:44,000
pretense probably to smoke and
then when they were away from

4073
04:16:44,000 --> 04:16:46,300
people, Ronald raped, him
strangled, him dumped him on the

4074
04:16:46,300 --> 04:16:51,400
side of the road.
After the first kill Ronald laid

4075
04:16:51,400 --> 04:16:54,600
low, it was all over the news
and despite the fact that he

4076
04:16:54,600 --> 04:16:57,400
wasn't a suspect, he was still a
little worried.

4077
04:16:59,100 --> 04:17:01,200
He waited as long as he could
before, he could strike.

4078
04:17:01,200 --> 04:17:05,500
Again, that was five months.
His next victim was Gary Pierre,

4079
04:17:05,800 --> 04:17:10,200
right before Christmas.
Same Mo meet the guy in the bar

4080
04:17:10,400 --> 04:17:12,900
convince him to leave somehow go
somewhere.

4081
04:17:12,900 --> 04:17:16,500
Quiet overpower.
The thinner smaller black man,

4082
04:17:16,800 --> 04:17:21,700
rape and strangle him.
So Gary was discovered, December

4083
04:17:21,700 --> 04:17:25,900
14th 1977 and st.
Charles Parish even less is

4084
04:17:25,900 --> 04:17:31,300
known about Larry Ranson which
is very close to my last day in

4085
04:17:31,300 --> 04:17:37,000
letter.
He was 38 and he died.

4086
04:17:37,000 --> 04:17:43,800
July 31st, 1998's s77.
I meant 97.

4087
04:17:47,100 --> 04:17:51,700
I wrote it wrong in my notes.
So that so Gary was Is 97 he

4088
04:17:51,700 --> 04:17:55,500
wait another six months.
Now we have or seven.

4089
04:17:55,500 --> 04:18:02,800
Wait six yeah to kill Larry the
issue with that was with the

4090
04:18:02,800 --> 04:18:05,900
police Learned was that like
before Larry the killers were

4091
04:18:05,900 --> 04:18:10,600
all like early twenties teens.
So with Larry now they realize

4092
04:18:10,600 --> 04:18:14,600
okay well this person doesn't
have any age range.

4093
04:18:14,900 --> 04:18:18,900
The only thing that's consistent
is that they're all skinny short

4094
04:18:18,900 --> 04:18:23,000
black eyes.
The police were still not taking

4095
04:18:23,000 --> 04:18:25,500
the case of seriously though
because the victims Were Gay and

4096
04:18:25,500 --> 04:18:27,700
the media didn't really latch
onto it either.

4097
04:18:28,200 --> 04:18:32,500
Now, throughout the next almost
decade two, detectives are going

4098
04:18:32,500 --> 04:18:34,200
to take a personal stake in this
case.

4099
04:18:34,400 --> 04:18:37,000
Then it's Thornton and Dawn
Burger on they were both

4100
04:18:37,000 --> 04:18:40,100
detectives with Advanced degrees
a solid understanding of the

4101
04:18:40,100 --> 04:18:42,000
streets.
Louisiana, and most importantly,

4102
04:18:42,000 --> 04:18:44,100
they didn't have any Prejudice
towards gay men.

4103
04:18:45,200 --> 04:18:47,900
The two of them were going to
begin to follow these cases from

4104
04:18:47,900 --> 04:18:50,900
1988 until the end and they're
kind of the heroes of the story,

4105
04:18:51,400 --> 04:18:54,300
but before we can get to how it
was solved, unfortunately.

4106
04:18:55,400 --> 04:19:01,000
There's a lot more victims.
The big, the first big victim of

4107
04:19:01,000 --> 04:19:03,800
this case was Oliver.
Ah, Lila Banks.

4108
04:19:04,500 --> 04:19:08,500
He was the first that was widely
publicized and attached to the

4109
04:19:08,500 --> 04:19:11,900
name of the beige Strangler.
The now the media said that he

4110
04:19:11,900 --> 04:19:16,200
was a Drifter and transient, but
he really wasn't, like, he had a

4111
04:19:16,200 --> 04:19:17,900
stable relationship with a
girlfriend.

4112
04:19:17,900 --> 04:19:20,100
He worked at the new dog trick
Cafe.

4113
04:19:20,300 --> 04:19:23,500
He had children who he took care
of, he visited them gave them

4114
04:19:23,500 --> 04:19:26,500
money for their care.
He was close friends with his

4115
04:19:26,500 --> 04:19:30,400
boss, Mar Paulson and I said
that Ali was a really valued

4116
04:19:30,400 --> 04:19:33,800
member of the team but
unfortunately had a pretty

4117
04:19:33,800 --> 04:19:36,700
serious drug problem and that
she had to fire him right before

4118
04:19:36,700 --> 04:19:42,800
he went missing getting fired
really just made Ali depressed

4119
04:19:43,200 --> 04:19:46,200
and there was sort of a downward
spiral that eventually led him

4120
04:19:46,200 --> 04:19:49,900
to Ronald.
Now at this point, it's late

4121
04:19:49,900 --> 04:19:54,900
1998 and so Ronald moves from
his smaller town area to the

4122
04:19:54,900 --> 04:20:02,700
French Quarter in New Orleans.
So, Where Ronald lives is like a

4123
04:20:02,700 --> 04:20:09,200
suburb.
Of New Orleans with New Orleans

4124
04:20:09,200 --> 04:20:12,700
being, this massive Hub with
lots of people that travel and

4125
04:20:12,700 --> 04:20:22,200
move through their right.
By October of 1998, Ronald is

4126
04:20:22,200 --> 04:20:27,600
also actively hunting, like he
is going to work on the daytime

4127
04:20:27,900 --> 04:20:31,600
and then leaving and heading to
French Quarter at night.

4128
04:20:33,000 --> 04:20:37,900
Ali needed money for his drug
habit but also to survive.

4129
04:20:38,200 --> 04:20:41,600
Sometimes Ali would pick pocket
Taurus because millions of

4130
04:20:41,600 --> 04:20:44,600
people come through Nola every
year, right?

4131
04:20:44,600 --> 04:20:48,500
He would sell some drugs, he
would hustle, and occasionally.

4132
04:20:49,100 --> 04:20:54,200
There was some some gay for pay.
Actually, on the night that he

4133
04:20:54,200 --> 04:20:57,200
went missing October 3rd 1988,
he was out with his friends, a

4134
04:20:57,208 --> 04:20:59,800
couple of gay friends, having a
good time, his brother was

4135
04:20:59,800 --> 04:21:01,600
there, too.
And his brother was just like,

4136
04:21:01,600 --> 04:21:05,200
why are you with these people
and doing this and all, he's

4137
04:21:05,200 --> 04:21:10,700
just like, listen, sometimes you
meet some older gay guys who are

4138
04:21:10,700 --> 04:21:14,600
willing to pay for the younger
gay guys.

4139
04:21:14,700 --> 04:21:16,600
She's like, it's not that
serious.

4140
04:21:16,600 --> 04:21:18,300
It's just how I make a little
money here.

4141
04:21:18,300 --> 04:21:24,200
And there, his brothers like,
all right, but But I'm, I'm

4142
04:21:24,200 --> 04:21:27,300
gonna go home since y'all are
heading to the gay club for the

4143
04:21:27,300 --> 04:21:30,800
rest of the night.
Hey, it's still Club.

4144
04:21:30,800 --> 04:21:34,000
You can go there and party who's
gonna try to pick you up?

4145
04:21:35,100 --> 04:21:38,100
His brother, was trying to pick
up somebody to get some cash so

4146
04:21:38,400 --> 04:21:40,700
because the older brother want
anything to do with that.

4147
04:21:40,700 --> 04:21:45,000
Got you got you got you Ali was
about 27.

4148
04:21:46,900 --> 04:21:51,400
Ali more than likely saw.
The sad rattled as a potential

4149
04:21:52,000 --> 04:21:55,700
Mark at the bar.
The Rawhide and Ronald saw him

4150
04:21:55,700 --> 04:21:59,000
as a thin young black man, he
could kill.

4151
04:22:01,700 --> 04:22:05,400
When the two went like one
likely Ali approached him and

4152
04:22:05,400 --> 04:22:08,400
Ronald made him know, he had
cash, the two left the club

4153
04:22:08,400 --> 04:22:10,400
together.
Ronald said they could hook up

4154
04:22:10,400 --> 04:22:12,100
in his car and that it was
close.

4155
04:22:12,400 --> 04:22:14,700
But in reality he had parked
pretty far away.

4156
04:22:16,100 --> 04:22:21,900
Now according to Ronald, he told
Ali just to rub his thing on

4157
04:22:21,900 --> 04:22:25,600
him.
Despite the fact that Ronald

4158
04:22:25,600 --> 04:22:29,000
Dominique was like a very grown
man, the way that he talked in

4159
04:22:29,000 --> 04:22:31,800
the police interviews and stuff
is very childlike.

4160
04:22:31,800 --> 04:22:35,800
And some ways like about sex, it
was very weird, very good.

4161
04:22:35,800 --> 04:22:39,000
And he said, yeah, he said that,
Ali tried to penetrate him and

4162
04:22:39,000 --> 04:22:42,500
that it made him mad, and he
took a tire iron and be all I to

4163
04:22:42,500 --> 04:22:44,600
death before he actually killed
him.

4164
04:22:45,600 --> 04:22:49,900
Then he strangled Ali, who was
already unconscious, He told the

4165
04:22:49,900 --> 04:22:52,700
police that he let out a lot of
the pent-up rage from when he

4166
04:22:52,700 --> 04:22:55,600
was in prison and then he
dragged Ali's body into his

4167
04:22:55,600 --> 04:22:59,000
station wagon and dumped him and
overpass under the three time.

4168
04:22:59,900 --> 04:23:02,700
The police found Ali October 5th
1998.

4169
04:23:02,800 --> 04:23:05,600
No, shoot, no shirt shoes.
And his pants were around his

4170
04:23:05,600 --> 04:23:08,100
ankles.
This will become very consistent

4171
04:23:08,100 --> 04:23:11,400
with every victim.
Ali was ID because he had a

4172
04:23:11,400 --> 04:23:14,400
prior history of petty.
Theft, his older brother.

4173
04:23:14,400 --> 04:23:18,200
Michael was pretty sad because
he been the last to see his

4174
04:23:18,200 --> 04:23:20,300
brother alive.
I knew exactly what his brother

4175
04:23:20,300 --> 04:23:23,000
was going to do, which was
dangerous.

4176
04:23:23,000 --> 04:23:27,400
Hmm, he related this to the
police and Dennis Thornton ended

4177
04:23:27,400 --> 04:23:30,000
up getting the case.
He went to the bar and talk to

4178
04:23:30,000 --> 04:23:34,200
everybody, he could but no one
remembered who Ali left the bar.

4179
04:23:34,200 --> 04:23:37,600
With now, Dennis Thornton was
the one to make the connection

4180
04:23:37,600 --> 04:23:42,300
between olly Mitchell Gary and
Larry, all of these victims have

4181
04:23:42,300 --> 04:23:44,000
been dumped me in the 310
Highway.

4182
04:23:44,900 --> 04:23:47,700
They also discovered another
weird similarity.

4183
04:23:48,100 --> 04:23:53,100
No fibers on On the bodies.
No fingerprints no hair and no

4184
04:23:53,100 --> 04:23:56,500
DNA.
As at this point that they

4185
04:23:56,500 --> 04:24:00,100
contacted the FBI and ask for a
profile.

4186
04:24:00,400 --> 04:24:03,400
Unfortunately this was there is
limited information and the FBI

4187
04:24:03,400 --> 04:24:07,100
was just like he's going to be
poor white with virtually no

4188
04:24:07,100 --> 04:24:09,600
education.
And while this did describe

4189
04:24:09,600 --> 04:24:12,900
Ronald, it also described a
million other men in Louisiana.

4190
04:24:16,400 --> 04:24:20,200
So as the police are trying to
learn about the by Strangler,

4191
04:24:20,200 --> 04:24:23,400
Ronald goes to his job at st.
Charles Parish maintenance as if

4192
04:24:23,400 --> 04:24:27,900
nothing happened.
The one thing that they do find

4193
04:24:27,900 --> 04:24:31,800
our Ali's body are a few.
Like when I say a few like,

4194
04:24:32,400 --> 04:24:36,300
under 10 hairs and they're able
to determine that, these are

4195
04:24:36,300 --> 04:24:39,900
definitely the hairs of a
Caucasian person.

4196
04:24:41,500 --> 04:24:44,300
This is the first time out of
all four murders that they got

4197
04:24:44,500 --> 04:24:49,700
any kind of DNA evidence.
Dinosaur.

4198
04:24:50,700 --> 04:24:55,100
Denise based on the dump sites
that the Killer's safe space is

4199
04:24:55,100 --> 04:24:57,800
near the airport and Ronald did
live.

4200
04:24:57,800 --> 04:25:00,400
Thirteen point five miles from
the New Orleans International

4201
04:25:00,400 --> 04:25:03,300
Airport.
Two weeks later, the detectives

4202
04:25:03,300 --> 04:25:06,700
are called to see the remains of
16 year old Joseph Brown, just

4203
04:25:06,700 --> 04:25:09,600
like Ali he's found shoeless
shirtless and with his pants

4204
04:25:09,600 --> 04:25:13,600
pulled down, this was more than
alarming for Thornton because he

4205
04:25:14,200 --> 04:25:18,200
could barely get a handle on it
and like he's collected evidence

4206
04:25:18,200 --> 04:25:21,400
on this case and then Bruce
Williams is has found November

4207
04:25:21,400 --> 04:25:24,900
27th 1998 less than a month
after Joseph.

4208
04:25:24,900 --> 04:25:28,200
Same Parish where they're
looking for information on Ali

4209
04:25:28,200 --> 04:25:30,500
and Joseph.
Now he was able to get more

4210
04:25:30,500 --> 04:25:33,900
information about Bruce who was
18 years old and very well known

4211
04:25:33,900 --> 04:25:36,500
in the French Quarter.
No, well-known enough at the

4212
04:25:36,508 --> 04:25:39,100
locals were worried when he just
disappeared.

4213
04:25:40,700 --> 04:25:43,700
He also had been raped and even
though Thornton was open-minded

4214
04:25:43,700 --> 04:25:48,700
about gay people, he had never
experienced so much like male on

4215
04:25:48,700 --> 04:25:52,600
male rape in a case he was just
like this doesn't happen.

4216
04:25:54,800 --> 04:25:58,000
So because these crimes happened
to the last to happen, closer to

4217
04:25:58,000 --> 04:26:01,500
the French Quarter that put them
in a different County.

4218
04:26:01,800 --> 04:26:07,100
And so New Orleans PD, reach out
to FBI for a profile, that's

4219
04:26:07,100 --> 04:26:10,300
Jefferson Parish Jefferson.
Parish gets a response to this

4220
04:26:10,300 --> 04:26:12,200
has a little bit more
information.

4221
04:26:12,300 --> 04:26:15,800
White, male, mid-30s, probable,
High School, Dropout,

4222
04:26:15,900 --> 04:26:20,400
difficulty, with social skills,
which unfortunately, is the norm

4223
04:26:20,500 --> 04:26:27,600
for like most serial killers.
However, the feds confirm what

4224
04:26:27,600 --> 04:26:30,900
Thornton believe, which is that
the Kill Zone shows that he

4225
04:26:30,900 --> 04:26:34,200
lives near the airport and that
this is his safe Zone.

4226
04:26:34,500 --> 04:26:39,000
He like some killer specifically
kill outside of where they live,

4227
04:26:39,100 --> 04:26:42,200
but that's not Ronald.
Ronald is picking places.

4228
04:26:43,500 --> 04:26:46,900
Very close to where he lives.
Now, one thing that the cops and

4229
04:26:46,900 --> 04:26:51,400
the FEDS are confused about as
at this crimes intra-racial.

4230
04:26:52,300 --> 04:26:57,700
Most crime happens within pretty
segregated racial communities.

4231
04:26:57,700 --> 04:26:59,600
That's why most black people get
mad.

4232
04:26:59,600 --> 04:27:03,000
When you hear black on black
crime, most crime is white on

4233
04:27:03,000 --> 04:27:06,100
white black on black.
Like because we even though

4234
04:27:06,100 --> 04:27:10,200
integration happened in America,
we still live in pretty

4235
04:27:10,200 --> 04:27:13,800
segregated Community.
Great, we check we stay.

4236
04:27:13,800 --> 04:27:18,400
And so we've had like racist
serial killers that were trying

4237
04:27:18,400 --> 04:27:21,600
to further the Aryan Nation
agenda and their own way, but

4238
04:27:21,600 --> 04:27:24,700
that's not what this That's
because people who are killing

4239
04:27:24,800 --> 04:27:28,900
to, you know, cleanse the human
population are not having sex

4240
04:27:29,200 --> 04:27:32,200
with those victims, sex crimes,
usually happen with those

4241
04:27:32,200 --> 04:27:36,900
closely segregated groups, there
are very few power and control

4242
04:27:36,900 --> 04:27:39,800
sex killers that kill
interracially.

4243
04:27:40,300 --> 04:27:43,600
Honestly, I can only think of
the other one is Jeffrey Dahmer.

4244
04:27:43,700 --> 04:27:47,800
Yes, that's that's all I thought
of brought it up.

4245
04:27:48,400 --> 04:27:49,600
Yep.
Jeffrey Dahmer.

4246
04:27:49,600 --> 04:27:54,300
Also had a thing for black men.
I've personally, I will he also

4247
04:27:54,300 --> 04:27:57,400
loved a man of color.
He also kills couple Asian men,

4248
04:27:57,400 --> 04:28:00,000
too.
But personally, it's something

4249
04:28:00,000 --> 04:28:08,000
I've wondered because I wonder
if the Look specifically with

4250
04:28:08,000 --> 04:28:11,100
the Dahmer case, I wondered if
he was sexually fetishizing his

4251
04:28:11,100 --> 04:28:14,500
victims.
So it wasn't that it was a

4252
04:28:14,500 --> 04:28:18,900
fetish.
See, I just thought like when I

4253
04:28:18,908 --> 04:28:22,300
heard it it was just like he was
hunting in his area, that was

4254
04:28:22,300 --> 04:28:24,500
his area.
And that's where he lived in.

4255
04:28:24,700 --> 04:28:28,100
These were two men that were
readily available to him.

4256
04:28:30,700 --> 04:28:33,700
I think in the case with Ronald,
though, he may have been raped

4257
04:28:33,700 --> 04:28:36,900
by black men in prison and he
was taking out his frustration

4258
04:28:37,200 --> 04:28:42,900
on black man that he could
dominate member because he's up,

4259
04:28:42,900 --> 04:28:48,000
he's not like a tall guy but
he's a big guy like and rotund.

4260
04:28:48,000 --> 04:28:53,100
He's going after new skinny
small, black m somebody that in

4261
04:28:53,100 --> 04:28:55,800
any situation he can get a
handle on them and like knock

4262
04:28:55,800 --> 04:29:00,600
them down.
So Ronald takes a break.

4263
04:29:02,500 --> 04:29:05,800
Rather odd considering it seems
like he was about to ramp up.

4264
04:29:07,200 --> 04:29:11,200
I mean he we were getting two
weeks apart one month apart,

4265
04:29:11,200 --> 04:29:13,200
right.
The next next murder doesn't

4266
04:29:13,200 --> 04:29:18,300
happen until May 30th. 1999 that
was Manuel read.

4267
04:29:18,300 --> 04:29:21,500
He was 21 years old, like all
the other victims men and well

4268
04:29:21,500 --> 04:29:25,100
was slim black, but something
changed this time.

4269
04:29:25,400 --> 04:29:28,000
His body was put inside of a
dumpster.

4270
04:29:29,100 --> 04:29:32,200
Ronald, with testify later that
he met Manuel at a local bar,

4271
04:29:32,400 --> 04:29:35,400
proposition him for sex, and
then took me awhile to a station

4272
04:29:35,400 --> 04:29:37,400
wagon.
Ronald said that they Fooled

4273
04:29:37,400 --> 04:29:41,800
Around and that fooling around
was defined as Mutual fellatio.

4274
04:29:42,100 --> 04:29:46,300
And then Ronald said that Manuel
pushed him down and entered him.

4275
04:29:46,600 --> 04:29:49,500
And of course, he grabbed his
tire iron and beat Manuel and

4276
04:29:49,500 --> 04:29:52,400
strangle him afterward.
This Probably sounds familiar,

4277
04:29:52,400 --> 04:29:54,700
doesn't it?
Exactly like what he said about

4278
04:29:54,700 --> 04:29:56,000
the other guy?
Yeah.

4279
04:29:56,200 --> 04:29:58,400
Yeah.
Which made the people that were

4280
04:29:58,500 --> 04:30:02,500
executing this think that he was
in a fantasy.

4281
04:30:02,700 --> 04:30:07,500
When this happened, this fantasy
of him, taking back, you know,

4282
04:30:07,500 --> 04:30:11,100
his his pride, from what
happened to him and present

4283
04:30:11,500 --> 04:30:16,400
because Manuel was also raped.
But in this, the story that

4284
04:30:17,500 --> 04:30:20,200
Ronald told he didn't see that
happened.

4285
04:30:23,200 --> 04:30:28,000
So part of these unfortunately
we only get like a partial bit

4286
04:30:28,000 --> 04:30:30,700
of closure with him being honest
about some of these murders

4287
04:30:30,700 --> 04:30:33,200
because he's a little bit
delusional.

4288
04:30:35,500 --> 04:30:38,700
One month later June thirtieth
nineteen ninety two, twenty

4289
04:30:38,700 --> 04:30:41,100
one-year-old Angel mayhaw was
found laying in front of a

4290
04:30:41,108 --> 04:30:44,200
dumpster.
Angel was another black man

4291
04:30:44,200 --> 04:30:47,100
struggling and doing what he
could to make ends meet and had

4292
04:30:47,100 --> 04:30:50,900
a bad run of luck meeting Ronald
as one of his clients.

4293
04:30:51,400 --> 04:30:53,200
Angela's victim.
Number 8.

4294
04:30:54,000 --> 04:30:56,200
Now, interestingly enough.
One thing happens here.

4295
04:30:58,100 --> 04:31:01,700
Angel dies and the media
suddenly becomes very interested

4296
04:31:01,700 --> 04:31:06,100
in this case.
The copper of the Baton Rouge

4297
04:31:06,200 --> 04:31:09,100
Advocate newspaper in blazing
with bold.

4298
04:31:09,100 --> 04:31:13,300
Black letters, shoeless body
could be work of serial killer.

4299
04:31:14,000 --> 04:31:17,300
For some reason, the media
fixates on the fact that all of

4300
04:31:17,308 --> 04:31:20,100
these victims are met, or a lot
of the victims are missing

4301
04:31:20,100 --> 04:31:22,800
shoes, and then they start
writing in the newspapers that

4302
04:31:22,800 --> 04:31:24,900
all of the victims are missing
shoes.

4303
04:31:25,900 --> 04:31:28,100
Why did it take you so long to
mention that?

4304
04:31:29,200 --> 04:31:32,300
Well, one, it wasn't true but to
I just think it's really

4305
04:31:32,300 --> 04:31:34,200
interesting because I would have
assumed that the papers would

4306
04:31:34,200 --> 04:31:37,100
have been like, can we talk
about this whole gay murder

4307
04:31:37,100 --> 04:31:41,000
thing happening?
I guess, I guess that.

4308
04:31:41,000 --> 04:31:46,900
Nope, no article after article
about victims, missing shoes.

4309
04:31:46,900 --> 04:31:52,100
And if this was the killer
signature, But it wasn't true.

4310
04:31:52,900 --> 04:31:54,600
Well, no not all of them are
missing shoes.

4311
04:31:54,600 --> 04:31:57,100
I think that the shoes just fell
off as he was dragging, their

4312
04:31:57,100 --> 04:32:00,900
bodies around his once he was
done with them, he didn't

4313
04:32:00,900 --> 04:32:03,900
particularly care.
So it's not like a trophy

4314
04:32:03,900 --> 04:32:08,400
thingy, take their shoes and
then like put him in his closet

4315
04:32:08,400 --> 04:32:10,500
or something like that.
No, the murders didn't happen at

4316
04:32:10,500 --> 04:32:13,300
the dump site today more than
likely got lost in the process.

4317
04:32:13,400 --> 04:32:14,200
Right?
Okay.

4318
04:32:14,700 --> 04:32:16,700
Now the wait for the next kill
is two months.

4319
04:32:16,700 --> 04:32:20,000
This is Mitchell Johnson.
He's 34 a bit older than the

4320
04:32:20,000 --> 04:32:23,400
others but Ronald Tell the
police later that Mitchell was

4321
04:32:23,400 --> 04:32:27,000
just his type Mitchell was
well-built lean muscle and he

4322
04:32:27,000 --> 04:32:32,100
was dumped just a few feet away
from where Ali was dumped in the

4323
04:32:32,100 --> 04:32:35,200
middle of the August, heat in
New Orleans.

4324
04:32:36,600 --> 04:32:40,200
This was a move Rife with
arrogance.

4325
04:32:41,400 --> 04:32:44,500
The police weren't sure if he
was stupid or if he was taunting

4326
04:32:44,500 --> 04:32:46,300
them.
For not being able to find him.

4327
04:32:46,500 --> 04:32:50,700
Ronald would later tell the
police he made the body dumps so

4328
04:32:50,700 --> 04:32:56,600
public because he wanted the
recognition Using Ali's dump

4329
04:32:56,600 --> 04:32:59,500
site was, so they knew it was
him and he'd be able to watch

4330
04:32:59,500 --> 04:33:06,300
them cover the case.
Oh, Now the autopsy comes back

4331
04:33:06,300 --> 04:33:08,500
like all the others raped and
strangled, but there were

4332
04:33:08,500 --> 04:33:12,099
Witnesses this time who had seen
Mitchell in the city of Jenner,

4333
04:33:12,099 --> 04:33:13,800
and they remembered seeing a
weird.

4334
04:33:13,800 --> 04:33:17,599
Chubby white guy with a receding
hairline and puffy cheeks who

4335
04:33:17,599 --> 04:33:20,400
was cruising the area.
Now, for people who don't know,

4336
04:33:20,599 --> 04:33:24,200
cruising kind of came up during
like the early days of gay

4337
04:33:24,200 --> 04:33:28,200
stuff, which is when it was
illegal for gay clubs and

4338
04:33:28,200 --> 04:33:32,400
lounges to exist.
So, when gay guys wanted to find

4339
04:33:32,400 --> 04:33:35,900
somebody to hook up with they
went And so they would go to a

4340
04:33:35,900 --> 04:33:39,300
place, that was only known among
gay people to look for other gay

4341
04:33:39,300 --> 04:33:46,000
men, as gay clubs expanded and
cruising spots declined, it

4342
04:33:46,000 --> 04:33:50,400
exists in more of a modern term
as looking for prostitutes.

4343
04:33:51,800 --> 04:33:56,200
And so essentially, if he's
cruising, he's looking for folks

4344
04:33:56,200 --> 04:34:01,300
who are willing to pay to play,
Sketch though.

4345
04:34:02,700 --> 04:34:06,900
We get the first sketch November
of 1989 the hairline the round

4346
04:34:06,900 --> 04:34:09,599
face and the cheeks.
Make for a very distinctive

4347
04:34:09,599 --> 04:34:11,800
sketch.
It was on every newspaper.

4348
04:34:12,099 --> 04:34:15,300
Coincidentally Ronald abruptly,
quit his job, packed up his

4349
04:34:15,300 --> 04:34:18,900
mobile home and moved to the
town of Hama, which is about 58

4350
04:34:18,900 --> 04:34:23,200
miles away, and very south in
Louisiana right into the Gulf of

4351
04:34:23,200 --> 04:34:26,200
Mexico.
He requested to park his mobile

4352
04:34:26,200 --> 04:34:29,400
home on his sister.
Laney and her husband's property

4353
04:34:29,700 --> 04:34:32,099
that she didn't mind.
She had seen her brother in a

4354
04:34:32,108 --> 04:34:33,400
while.
While since she's moved out of

4355
04:34:33,408 --> 04:34:38,000
the area, he told her he was
just looking for a change but

4356
04:34:38,000 --> 04:34:41,200
how much was just as poor as the
town of boot?

4357
04:34:42,000 --> 04:34:45,400
And so he hadn't really changed
in terms of where he was living.

4358
04:34:45,400 --> 04:34:49,400
Just another small, poor town.
So, Ronald gets a job working at

4359
04:34:49,400 --> 04:34:52,000
Cairo produce and he's a stellar
employee.

4360
04:34:52,000 --> 04:34:53,700
No, write-ups, to attendance
issues.

4361
04:34:53,900 --> 04:34:56,900
He perfected, the personality of
being the nice guy, who helps

4362
04:34:56,900 --> 04:34:58,900
everyone that everybody forgets
about.

4363
04:34:59,200 --> 04:35:02,000
He took every shift from his
co-workers needed, he did what

4364
04:35:02,000 --> 04:35:04,000
he did.
Fast outside of murder and that

4365
04:35:04,000 --> 04:35:08,099
was become invisible.
Most people aren't checking for

4366
04:35:08,099 --> 04:35:10,500
the portly guy who silently
bags, your groceries and nods

4367
04:35:10,500 --> 04:35:14,099
his head.
One of the most interesting

4368
04:35:14,099 --> 04:35:17,099
things though was that if Ronald
had stopped killing right now,

4369
04:35:17,800 --> 04:35:20,900
it is very likely that the beige
Strangler murders would have

4370
04:35:20,900 --> 04:35:27,200
never been solved.
But obviously, he did not stop

4371
04:35:28,200 --> 04:35:30,200
because serial killers are
addicts?

4372
04:35:30,900 --> 04:35:33,800
23 year-old Mitchell.
Vincent went missing New Year's

4373
04:35:33,800 --> 04:35:38,700
Eve 1999.
Now Mitchell was an Old Pro in

4374
04:35:38,700 --> 04:35:41,800
terms of being in criminal.
He went by a, he had an alias,

4375
04:35:41,800 --> 04:35:45,599
which was Chris Vincent.
He was known to look the forced

4376
04:35:45,599 --> 04:35:50,300
Parish PD as someone, who often
got caught trading sex for cash.

4377
04:35:50,500 --> 04:35:55,000
He was 57 lean dark skin with a
mustache and it Goatee.

4378
04:35:55,300 --> 04:35:58,500
He ever only really gotten into
trouble for aggravated battery.

4379
04:35:58,500 --> 04:36:01,900
Otherwise, his record was just
misdemeanors and the police

4380
04:36:01,900 --> 04:36:04,599
usually didn't care enough to
try and put somebody away for

4381
04:36:04,599 --> 04:36:07,700
something as simple as, you
know, two guys trying to bang

4382
04:36:07,700 --> 04:36:10,300
each other.
On Jane.

4383
04:36:10,400 --> 04:36:14,400
On January first though.
Mitchell was dumped on a barbed

4384
04:36:14,400 --> 04:36:18,000
wire fence on Highway 7 because
of the holiday we also have she

4385
04:36:18,000 --> 04:36:22,500
couldn't be done until January
3rd and there was no forensic

4386
04:36:22,500 --> 04:36:25,500
evidence left behind, but there
were a couple key.

4387
04:36:25,500 --> 04:36:28,599
Differences, Mitchell have been
tied up before he was raped.

4388
04:36:28,599 --> 04:36:32,700
There were also abrasions on his
upper, right chest to cuts on

4389
04:36:32,700 --> 04:36:37,400
the lower right side and a small
abrasion to his scrotum the cuts

4390
04:36:37,400 --> 04:36:42,099
were confusing until they
discovered that he did have

4391
04:36:43,000 --> 04:36:46,800
crack cocaine in his pockets.
They wonder if maybe the cuts

4392
04:36:46,800 --> 04:36:56,200
were like a site.
To inject incur.

4393
04:36:58,599 --> 04:37:02,700
The abrasions were from him
being dragged on the ground so

4394
04:37:02,700 --> 04:37:05,099
they were like, we need to build
a task force, this killer is on

4395
04:37:05,099 --> 04:37:13,300
the move, so don Burger on lived
in Hama and that's how she and

4396
04:37:13,300 --> 04:37:15,400
Dennis would meet through this
task force.

4397
04:37:15,400 --> 04:37:18,900
The problem was, as quickly as
the task force is put together,

4398
04:37:19,300 --> 04:37:22,300
it's canceled, because
absolutely nothing happens.

4399
04:37:22,300 --> 04:37:32,300
Next Nothing no more murders.
Donald just stops for two years.

4400
04:37:34,400 --> 04:37:35,900
For.
So they're like listen we can't

4401
04:37:35,900 --> 04:37:38,800
put money towards a case where
nothing's happening.

4402
04:37:39,099 --> 04:37:42,900
Yeah so you all go back to your
cities and go back to your jobs

4403
04:37:42,900 --> 04:37:46,000
and I guess if he murders again,
we'll get back on this.

4404
04:37:46,599 --> 04:37:49,599
Dennis.
However could not let that go.

4405
04:37:50,599 --> 04:37:52,599
He started looking at some other
cases.

4406
04:37:52,700 --> 04:37:55,300
Now there was a guy in Kansas
who had killed 10 people and

4407
04:37:55,300 --> 04:38:00,300
just stopped he called himself.
The BTK killer that guy wasn't

4408
04:38:00,300 --> 04:38:03,000
this guy because well then is
Raider killed women.

4409
04:38:03,099 --> 04:38:05,700
But the questions Still up in
the air, did the bay, you

4410
04:38:05,700 --> 04:38:09,400
stranglers give steeds Dennis
started checking every piece of

4411
04:38:09,400 --> 04:38:11,000
information.
He could get his hands on to see

4412
04:38:11,000 --> 04:38:15,099
if there were any other thin
young, adult black men who were

4413
04:38:15,099 --> 04:38:18,800
raped and strangled anywhere
else in the United States and

4414
04:38:18,800 --> 04:38:20,599
mind you.
This is all on his own time,

4415
04:38:21,500 --> 04:38:26,500
he's the regular like the police
were like, there's nothing you

4416
04:38:26,500 --> 04:38:29,200
can look at.
So he's doing his regular police

4417
04:38:29,200 --> 04:38:33,900
work and then on the side, doing
his serial killer research.

4418
04:38:36,500 --> 04:38:39,000
Now, Ronald stayed out of the
police Limelight until February

4419
04:38:39,000 --> 04:38:41,300
10th 2002.
He was at a Mardi, Gras

4420
04:38:41,300 --> 04:38:44,599
celebration and he slapped a
woman because he said that she'd

4421
04:38:44,599 --> 04:38:47,000
hit a baby stroller in the
parking lot with a car.

4422
04:38:47,200 --> 04:38:49,900
The two argued it got hot and
then he hit her.

4423
04:38:51,599 --> 04:38:53,300
Believe it or not, this is
really uncommon.

4424
04:38:53,300 --> 04:38:58,500
Usually serial killers who have
a criminal past, right?

4425
04:38:58,900 --> 04:39:01,200
But they tend to stay out of the
legal system while they are,

4426
04:39:01,200 --> 04:39:06,800
actively killing the police made
a deal with Ronald, obviously,

4427
04:39:06,800 --> 04:39:09,900
not realizing that they had the
by Strangler and their hands and

4428
04:39:09,900 --> 04:39:12,099
said of a trial.
He went to something called The

4429
04:39:12,099 --> 04:39:16,000
Parish offenders program.
This was alternative sentencing

4430
04:39:16,000 --> 04:39:20,300
and it was really popular in the
early 2000s.

4431
04:39:20,500 --> 04:39:23,700
The idea, Was to keep low level
offenders out of prison and save

4432
04:39:23,700 --> 04:39:26,099
space for the rapists and
murderers and Drug traffickers.

4433
04:39:26,300 --> 04:39:30,200
Also it saves a lot of money.
Ronald put on his nice guy,

4434
04:39:30,200 --> 04:39:33,500
smile and he became the number
one offender.

4435
04:39:33,500 --> 04:39:37,700
In the program, he meant all
conditions and was released in

4436
04:39:37,700 --> 04:39:41,300
October of 2002.
Now during his break, Ronald

4437
04:39:41,300 --> 04:39:44,600
continue his work at the produce
store but he took a second job

4438
04:39:44,600 --> 04:39:49,300
at Domino's Which means there
are people who are alive, who

4439
04:39:49,300 --> 04:39:51,900
got their pizza delivered, by
the bay you Strangler.

4440
04:39:52,200 --> 04:39:56,600
Oh my God, having two jobs did
take up most of his time and it

4441
04:39:56,600 --> 04:40:00,500
did keep him from crime in on
the weekends.

4442
04:40:00,500 --> 04:40:03,400
He volunteered the Lions Club,
he called Bingo numbers for the

4443
04:40:03,400 --> 04:40:07,400
senior citizens, he had turned
himself into a model citizen.

4444
04:40:08,400 --> 04:40:09,700
The problem was, of course that
by.

4445
04:40:09,700 --> 04:40:13,800
Now, Ronald love the sex but he
loved killing more.

4446
04:40:14,700 --> 04:40:17,600
He had a taste for the blood and
that the cops weren't sticking

4447
04:40:17,600 --> 04:40:21,000
around him.
He decided that he wanted the

4448
04:40:21,000 --> 04:40:24,400
opportunity to be with his
kills, a little longer.

4449
04:40:25,200 --> 04:40:30,300
He had discovered all kinds of
places in how Mama as a pizza

4450
04:40:30,300 --> 04:40:34,400
delivery driver.
So he settled on an empty.

4451
04:40:34,400 --> 04:40:38,300
Open area with the unknowing
help of his brother-in-law.

4452
04:40:38,300 --> 04:40:43,000
Sam Trimble Sam worked at a
shipyard and Ronald was like

4453
04:40:43,000 --> 04:40:44,700
that is the perfect place.
Ace.

4454
04:40:45,100 --> 04:40:48,300
So with all that extra money
that he was bringing in, he

4455
04:40:48,300 --> 04:40:53,200
bought a second smaller trailer
and drove it to a field near the

4456
04:40:53,200 --> 04:40:56,200
shipyard.
And that was when he started

4457
04:40:56,200 --> 04:40:59,700
hunting again.
This time though, he was like, I

4458
04:40:59,700 --> 04:41:02,900
didn't care if they were gay or
straight, I'd offer them drugs

4459
04:41:02,900 --> 04:41:04,800
or sex just to get them into my
car.

4460
04:41:05,000 --> 04:41:08,400
Oh wow, his next victim with
Kenneth Fitzgerald.

4461
04:41:08,400 --> 04:41:11,000
Randolph jr.
He was 20 years old, born and

4462
04:41:11,000 --> 04:41:14,000
raised in beyou blue.
Interestingly enough, despite

4463
04:41:14,000 --> 04:41:17,300
all the cruising that Ronald was
doing looking for victims, he

4464
04:41:17,300 --> 04:41:19,700
ended up picking up somebody who
lived only a couple of blocks

4465
04:41:19,700 --> 04:41:26,600
away from him, but this wasn't
suspicious because Kenneth had a

4466
04:41:26,608 --> 04:41:30,100
real bad criminal past.
The other things that were

4467
04:41:30,100 --> 04:41:33,400
different with this one was that
Kenneth was about 510 150

4468
04:41:33,400 --> 04:41:38,500
pounds, so taller and a little
bit bigger than the guys who run

4469
04:41:38,500 --> 04:41:41,300
up normally when, after so
death, but it's tight.

4470
04:41:41,700 --> 04:41:44,600
Not the norm.
Also, very young, if he said

4471
04:41:44,600 --> 04:41:49,000
that man, in his 30s were more
his type, but Kenneth had first

4472
04:41:49,000 --> 04:41:52,500
gotten in trouble for having sex
with a minor and he was arrested

4473
04:41:52,500 --> 04:41:57,200
for carnal knowledge of a child,
then he got criminal damage of

4474
04:41:57,200 --> 04:42:02,200
property and then he got
arrested again for sex with a

4475
04:42:02,200 --> 04:42:06,600
child and spent a year in prison
where he got released and walked

4476
04:42:06,600 --> 04:42:09,800
right into the waiting arms of
Ronald Dominique.

4477
04:42:10,300 --> 04:42:14,900
So Kenneth the pedophile met up
with Ronald the serial killer

4478
04:42:15,700 --> 04:42:19,300
They found Candace body in the
sugar, cane fields of Lafourche

4479
04:42:19,300 --> 04:42:23,800
Parish October 6, 2002.
He was completely nude and even

4480
04:42:23,800 --> 04:42:27,400
though it hadn't been there for
very long, decomp is very fast

4481
04:42:27,400 --> 04:42:32,000
and the Louisiana climate.
The killer had posed this body.

4482
04:42:32,000 --> 04:42:35,400
So that his butt was lifted up
in the air and he was face down.

4483
04:42:36,000 --> 04:42:38,900
Just like all the others though.
He had been strangled and raped

4484
04:42:39,200 --> 04:42:43,500
and just like Mitchell Vincent.
He had been tied up while he was

4485
04:42:43,500 --> 04:42:47,900
alive and choked Twice first
with a rope.

4486
04:42:47,900 --> 04:42:52,700
And then by hand, they wrote
this down the choking, obviously

4487
04:42:52,700 --> 04:42:54,600
meant something important to the
killer.

4488
04:42:54,800 --> 04:43:00,700
What I think is that he probably
needed the Rope. to do it

4489
04:43:00,800 --> 04:43:06,000
because Kenneth was a bigger
guy, a rope, the Rope, probably,

4490
04:43:06,000 --> 04:43:09,500
he probably did it from behind
and he choked him until he

4491
04:43:09,500 --> 04:43:14,400
passed out and then because he
needed the to get him off, he

4492
04:43:14,400 --> 04:43:18,500
did it by hand, so that he could
get the thrill of the killing

4493
04:43:18,500 --> 04:43:24,900
from that, but that he wasn't
able to hold Kenneth down, Being

4494
04:43:24,900 --> 04:43:27,000
that this was a bigger guy than
right retail.

4495
04:43:30,700 --> 04:43:34,000
Even though we have all these
murders, FEI Yue Strangler

4496
04:43:34,000 --> 04:43:38,000
doesn't make the prep because
the u.s. is currently embroiled

4497
04:43:38,000 --> 04:43:41,600
in the war in the Middle East.
So the u.s.

4498
04:43:41,600 --> 04:43:45,500
Press is obsessed with
conversations about that Kansas

4499
04:43:45,500 --> 04:43:47,300
has the country's ear as far as
serial.

4500
04:43:47,300 --> 04:43:49,800
Killers go.
Nobody seemed to really care

4501
04:43:49,800 --> 04:43:53,600
about Terrebonne Parish except
for a couple loan cops, who were

4502
04:43:53,600 --> 04:43:56,700
bothered by this?
Dude's Brazen Behavior.

4503
04:43:56,800 --> 04:43:59,500
He's like he is really ballsy.
Here.

4504
04:44:00,600 --> 04:44:03,900
Oh my God.
Six days later rods on the hunt.

4505
04:44:03,900 --> 04:44:09,200
Again, Anoka Jones is the next
victor victim now Anoka was 26

4506
04:44:09,200 --> 04:44:12,100
and he had a pretty hard life of
being poor and doing crime to

4507
04:44:12,108 --> 04:44:15,000
get by.
He had been arrested multiple

4508
04:44:15,000 --> 04:44:19,000
times throughout his life for
Deft and drugs and Battery.

4509
04:44:19,100 --> 04:44:21,700
But he had a girlfriend now and
he wanted to do right by her.

4510
04:44:21,700 --> 04:44:24,400
He wanted to be a good man for
Shelly Weston.

4511
04:44:24,600 --> 04:44:27,700
They lived in an apartment on
Fremont Street and Anoka had

4512
04:44:27,700 --> 04:44:30,700
gone out to get some smoke.
Oaks he was right on his bike

4513
04:44:30,700 --> 04:44:32,700
around 8 p.m. to the local
Corner Store.

4514
04:44:32,700 --> 04:44:38,100
When Ronald saw him, Now what
Witnesses say they saw was that

4515
04:44:39,300 --> 04:44:43,500
Noca as he liked to call himself
stopped, talk to the guy through

4516
04:44:43,500 --> 04:44:45,300
the Wyndham and then drove back
home.

4517
04:44:46,100 --> 04:44:49,600
Z, he went home.
He told Shelly, he loved her and

4518
04:44:49,600 --> 04:44:52,300
then he told her, he was going
to smoke outside again.

4519
04:44:52,900 --> 04:44:56,100
This time, however, Shelly
understood, the subtext.

4520
04:44:56,600 --> 04:44:59,300
She knew that when he said at
this time and meant that he was

4521
04:44:59,300 --> 04:45:02,400
going to be gone for a bit doing
something that he didn't want

4522
04:45:02,400 --> 04:45:07,500
her to know about know, somebody
should we doing got it, two

4523
04:45:07,500 --> 04:45:09,500
hours later, Ronald was driving
around.

4524
04:45:09,500 --> 04:45:12,200
How mama with no cos dead body
in his backseat.

4525
04:45:12,700 --> 04:45:15,500
He drove all the way back home
to booth.

4526
04:45:15,800 --> 04:45:16,800
And dropped.
No.

4527
04:45:16,800 --> 04:45:21,600
Cos body on the side of the road
of the 310 Highway.

4528
04:45:24,200 --> 04:45:27,500
His remains were found on
October 13 by a passing police

4529
04:45:27,500 --> 04:45:30,100
officer.
The Cavalry of course arrived

4530
04:45:30,100 --> 04:45:32,400
taking fingerprints from
everything and anything they

4531
04:45:32,400 --> 04:45:34,300
could find taking all the
pictures.

4532
04:45:34,300 --> 04:45:36,600
They had his name and address by
the afternoon.

4533
04:45:37,100 --> 04:45:40,100
October 14th.
They arrived at Shelley Weston's

4534
04:45:40,100 --> 04:45:44,600
house with a mug shot and she
just started crying.

4535
04:45:44,600 --> 04:45:48,500
Because she knew that that meant
he was probably dead.

4536
04:45:48,800 --> 04:45:53,500
That's been gone all night.
If like if there's one thing

4537
04:45:53,500 --> 04:45:58,500
that bothers me, the most, when
you tell me stories about serial

4538
04:45:58,500 --> 04:46:03,200
killers is it's it's that like
one of their victims ends up

4539
04:46:03,200 --> 04:46:05,700
being someone who's trying to
get their life together.

4540
04:46:05,800 --> 04:46:08,400
You know, they're on the road in
order to get their life

4541
04:46:08,400 --> 04:46:11,800
together, you're doing this
because stuff and then they end

4542
04:46:11,800 --> 04:46:14,000
up fucking dead.
Yeah.

4543
04:46:14,000 --> 04:46:17,100
I mean it's weird because naoko
on one hand, he wanted to get

4544
04:46:17,100 --> 04:46:20,100
better for this.
This new woman in his life, but

4545
04:46:20,100 --> 04:46:23,000
on the other hand, The thing
that got him killed, was him

4546
04:46:23,400 --> 04:46:27,500
trying to do a drug deal with
Ronald Dominique.

4547
04:46:27,600 --> 04:46:29,900
So he still couldn't leave it
behind and unfortunately that

4548
04:46:29,900 --> 04:46:31,400
was the thing that got him in
the end.

4549
04:46:32,000 --> 04:46:33,500
Yeah.
That should just breaks my

4550
04:46:33,500 --> 04:46:37,700
heart.
The police of Lafourche Parish

4551
04:46:37,700 --> 04:46:40,700
first looked into the idea that
this was a drug murder because

4552
04:46:40,700 --> 04:46:44,500
of milk, has known history was
selling, but eventually they

4553
04:46:44,500 --> 04:46:46,500
ended up connecting it to Dennis
Thornton.

4554
04:46:46,500 --> 04:46:48,900
It's kind of hilarious.
They kind of ambushed him one

4555
04:46:48,900 --> 04:46:52,800
day at his police.
Precinct with their case and

4556
04:46:52,800 --> 04:46:55,600
they were like this is like
yours.

4557
04:46:57,700 --> 04:47:01,600
He's just in his office and cops
from three different parishes

4558
04:47:01,600 --> 04:47:04,900
arrived and they all sit down
and compare notes and they come

4559
04:47:04,900 --> 04:47:08,000
to the same conclusion.
It's the same guy.

4560
04:47:10,200 --> 04:47:13,600
Now, back in Terrebonne, Parish
Ronald decides, it's time to go.

4561
04:47:14,700 --> 04:47:18,100
He hooked a little trailer out
in the shipyard to his car, a

4562
04:47:18,100 --> 04:47:20,500
Sonoma and then he headed out of
town.

4563
04:47:21,300 --> 04:47:28,500
It was time to find a new place
to live and to hunt so between

4564
04:47:28,700 --> 04:47:33,500
the last murder.
And the one that's coming up a

4565
04:47:33,500 --> 04:47:38,500
significant amount of time ends.
The next one wouldn't be until

4566
04:47:38,500 --> 04:47:43,100
May 24th 2003 and pretty much
what happens here is that Ronald

4567
04:47:43,100 --> 04:47:47,100
moves back in with his mom and
his sister before.

4568
04:47:47,100 --> 04:47:51,100
He had like his own trailer and
I don't know what he did with

4569
04:47:51,100 --> 04:47:53,100
it.
I'm like, did he sell it didn't

4570
04:47:53,100 --> 04:47:56,500
have too much evidence in it but
regardless, pretty much for the

4571
04:47:56,500 --> 04:47:59,900
next three years he's going to
be living with his mom, okay?

4572
04:48:01,700 --> 04:48:06,800
The next murder is, May 24th
2003, a big gap between October.

4573
04:48:07,900 --> 04:48:11,400
But the victim was to Truro,
Woods, 19 years old.

4574
04:48:11,500 --> 04:48:15,200
He had recently been released
from prison and he hadn't really

4575
04:48:15,200 --> 04:48:19,100
learned too much in prison.
Hmm.

4576
04:48:20,800 --> 04:48:23,500
He told some of his cousins and
he was going to move in with his

4577
04:48:23,500 --> 04:48:29,500
girlfriend, but the real issue
as to why he needed to move is

4578
04:48:29,500 --> 04:48:33,200
that he had broken into
somebody's house and the

4579
04:48:33,200 --> 04:48:37,100
homeowner instead of calling the
police contacted your Trail and

4580
04:48:37,100 --> 04:48:39,600
told him, if I don't get my
rings back.

4581
04:48:39,700 --> 04:48:41,700
I'm going to show up to your
mom's house and I'm going to

4582
04:48:41,700 --> 04:48:44,500
kill everyone inside.
Oh damn, the the person

4583
04:48:45,800 --> 04:48:49,500
apparently he had been robbing
the same guy.

4584
04:48:49,700 --> 04:48:53,400
Over and over this man lives on
the corner of Elder Street, and

4585
04:48:53,400 --> 04:48:55,300
he was just sick and tired of
it.

4586
04:48:55,500 --> 04:48:57,500
What?
And like.

4587
04:48:57,500 --> 04:49:01,300
So he told his mom, he's like,
hey, you know, I need to go do

4588
04:49:01,300 --> 04:49:03,000
some things.
I'm gonna go move in with my

4589
04:49:03,000 --> 04:49:06,700
girlfriend, and his mom was
like, no, I know, you're up to

4590
04:49:06,700 --> 04:49:09,100
no good.
She's like, please don't leave.

4591
04:49:10,000 --> 04:49:13,100
She said you had an appointment
on May 27th with the Social

4592
04:49:13,100 --> 04:49:17,000
Security office.
He was like, fuck the Social

4593
04:49:17,000 --> 04:49:19,400
Security office.
He got her some water.

4594
04:49:19,900 --> 04:49:22,000
And he left the house.
He was like, I need to go make

4595
04:49:22,000 --> 04:49:24,900
some money to pay this man
because he's going to kill me

4596
04:49:24,900 --> 04:49:28,900
for stealing from him.
He of course, never made it back

4597
04:49:28,900 --> 04:49:32,100
to his mom's house or to that
appointment.

4598
04:49:32,400 --> 04:49:35,500
He actually never made it to go
get the money that he needed to

4599
04:49:35,500 --> 04:49:39,700
pay the guy back.
He was found a few days later by

4600
04:49:39,700 --> 04:49:43,100
two cousins who were at three
Wheeling off of Highway 56.

4601
04:49:43,400 --> 04:49:45,800
They told the press that the
body looked puffy.

4602
04:49:47,500 --> 04:49:50,300
And they did.
I mean this was 2003 so cell

4603
04:49:50,300 --> 04:49:53,900
phones weren't super common at
this point, but some people had

4604
04:49:53,900 --> 04:49:55,500
them.
Some people didn't these two

4605
04:49:55,500 --> 04:49:57,100
were younger and didn't have
them.

4606
04:49:57,300 --> 04:50:02,800
I think in 2003 it was a little
uncommon for a young people to

4607
04:50:02,800 --> 04:50:06,100
have phones.
It was more of a like grown-ups.

4608
04:50:06,100 --> 04:50:14,800
I think I got my mom's leftover,
Nokia brick, probably around

4609
04:50:14,800 --> 04:50:18,700
2004.
And it was mainly because I was

4610
04:50:18,700 --> 04:50:21,200
take like the Dork that I am.
I was taking an extra class at

4611
04:50:21,200 --> 04:50:25,200
school, good writing class
during the summer and it was so

4612
04:50:25,200 --> 04:50:26,900
funny, like, you're in summer
school.

4613
04:50:26,900 --> 04:50:29,900
And I'm like, no, no, no, this
is extra work because that's the

4614
04:50:29,900 --> 04:50:34,300
kind of child that I was.
And my mom gave me the phone so

4615
04:50:34,300 --> 04:50:37,000
that I could call and let her
know when I got out, when I got

4616
04:50:37,000 --> 04:50:41,100
on the bus etcetera, Etc,
because she was worried.

4617
04:50:41,300 --> 04:50:45,500
So like I was 16 then though, so
it was It was kind of uncommon

4618
04:50:45,500 --> 04:50:48,200
it like young.
Like 10, 12 year, olds had cell

4619
04:50:48,200 --> 04:50:51,600
phones back then.
So those two drove, their little

4620
04:50:51,600 --> 04:50:55,700
bikes to a nearby casino and
told like the first person they

4621
04:50:55,700 --> 04:51:02,800
saw the casino, we found a dead
body and the casino called the

4622
04:51:02,800 --> 04:51:05,900
police.
And they took the police back

4623
04:51:05,900 --> 04:51:09,300
over to Charles body.
His bike was with him.

4624
04:51:10,400 --> 04:51:14,700
See the night before he had gone
to, his plan was to stop by his

4625
04:51:14,700 --> 04:51:16,300
friends house.
Pick up his bike.

4626
04:51:16,700 --> 04:51:21,000
Then head over sell some drugs
and then I'm guessing give that

4627
04:51:21,000 --> 04:51:24,700
drug money to the guy who he
stole the Rings and sold them.

4628
04:51:26,000 --> 04:51:30,800
So somewhere between getting the
bike from his friends house, he

4629
04:51:30,800 --> 04:51:37,300
went missing and because he had
this bike at him when he died,

4630
04:51:38,200 --> 04:51:41,400
interestingly enough, there was
no dirt on the bike Treads.

4631
04:51:41,600 --> 04:51:44,700
There were no, he didn't have
issues but there was no dirt on

4632
04:51:44,700 --> 04:51:49,400
his socks.
It May and it had been very dry

4633
04:51:49,400 --> 04:51:53,200
for the past few days about 85
degrees so they couldn't figure

4634
04:51:53,200 --> 04:51:56,000
out why there was a strange
liquid around the body.

4635
04:51:56,300 --> 04:51:59,900
Like he had been submerged at
some point, but it where he was

4636
04:51:59,900 --> 04:52:04,000
found was bone dry.
He had been stripped of any and

4637
04:52:04,000 --> 04:52:08,000
all of his identification
actually kind of sadly one of

4638
04:52:08,000 --> 04:52:11,900
the detectives that was called
like turned him over because he

4639
04:52:11,900 --> 04:52:17,400
was face down and realized that
he neutral and his mother and so

4640
04:52:17,600 --> 04:52:20,900
that detective technically was
able to identify him, but he

4641
04:52:20,900 --> 04:52:25,300
still had to go to the mom's
house to get a positive ID from

4642
04:52:25,300 --> 04:52:31,800
a family room, a relative So,
the police focused on the man,

4643
04:52:31,800 --> 04:52:34,500
he robbed his efforts because,
like, you know, he stole from

4644
04:52:34,500 --> 04:52:36,900
you repeatedly.
And you did say you were going

4645
04:52:36,900 --> 04:52:41,100
to kill him, but that man had a
solid Alibi.

4646
04:52:41,400 --> 04:52:44,800
They talked to his friend, Gary,
the one who he had given him a

4647
04:52:44,800 --> 04:52:49,000
ride to go pick up his bike.
Gary was like, he left on his

4648
04:52:49,000 --> 04:52:52,400
bike, that was all.
They had their eventually, they

4649
04:52:52,400 --> 04:52:55,500
linked him to the other killings
and realized that this is work

4650
04:52:55,600 --> 04:52:58,900
of a serial killer and not
somebody who knew Detroit even

4651
04:52:58,900 --> 04:53:05,700
though he was in a lot of like,
Just trouble all the time.

4652
04:53:05,800 --> 04:53:12,600
Right?
Right now, January of 2004 comes

4653
04:53:12,600 --> 04:53:14,700
and Ronald gets laid off from
the produce store.

4654
04:53:15,500 --> 04:53:19,300
He had got he gets a job working
at Gulf Coast maintenance and

4655
04:53:19,300 --> 04:53:21,600
how am I?
But he only stayed for about six

4656
04:53:21,600 --> 04:53:26,700
months then he gets his next job
as a meter reader and that was

4657
04:53:26,700 --> 04:53:29,800
perfect for Ronald.
He didn't kill during this time

4658
04:53:29,800 --> 04:53:35,900
at all, but he definitely did.
why's that, if he Killed stopped

4659
04:53:35,900 --> 04:53:39,100
picked a new town.
This was the method to keep the

4660
04:53:39,100 --> 04:53:41,500
police kind of confused.
At least for now.

4661
04:53:41,900 --> 04:53:49,900
Now while he's at work as a
meter reader, he realizes that

4662
04:53:49,900 --> 04:53:55,000
he's finding all these really
good locations and he can like

4663
04:53:55,000 --> 04:53:57,100
Prospect, but he knew he
couldn't write it down because

4664
04:53:57,100 --> 04:54:00,100
if he wrote it down that, proved
that it was first-degree murder.

4665
04:54:00,100 --> 04:54:04,200
And he was planning it, but he
just kind of made a mental note.

4666
04:54:04,200 --> 04:54:08,100
Note as he drove around
different places in Terrebonne

4667
04:54:08,100 --> 04:54:13,700
Parish, he's like, oh, that'd be
a good dump site. and of course,

4668
04:54:13,700 --> 04:54:21,600
since he had stopped, killing
from May of 2003 on And it's now

4669
04:54:21,600 --> 04:54:23,100
January.
The police aren't kind of

4670
04:54:23,108 --> 04:54:26,500
stumped by this time.
January 2004.

4671
04:54:26,500 --> 04:54:28,500
There have been 13.
Murders across five different

4672
04:54:28,500 --> 04:54:31,500
parishes but they didn't know
the details just yet.

4673
04:54:32,500 --> 04:54:36,000
Unfortunately, none of them like
knew that if they just checked

4674
04:54:36,200 --> 04:54:40,000
the boot database, they would
have found that he was charged

4675
04:54:40,000 --> 04:54:48,900
with attempted rape years ago.
At this point, Dennis Thornton

4676
04:54:49,700 --> 04:54:54,300
detective starts reaching out.
He's like, listen, I know you

4677
04:54:54,300 --> 04:54:57,300
were going to do a task force
before and that didn't really

4678
04:54:57,300 --> 04:55:01,600
work out but this time we have a
lot more evidence and there's a

4679
04:55:01,608 --> 04:55:06,200
lot more bad.
So he starts kind of hammer in

4680
04:55:06,200 --> 04:55:08,800
the state.
He's like listen, I want us to

4681
04:55:08,800 --> 04:55:14,000
do a real task force this time.
Well, that's going on Ronald

4682
04:55:14,000 --> 04:55:18,900
strikes again, but it's October
of 2004, everybody's trying to

4683
04:55:18,900 --> 04:55:22,500
prep for tropical storm Matthew
which is Kickin south Louisiana

4684
04:55:22,500 --> 04:55:27,100
in the but there's like 80 mile
an hour winds and here's Ronald

4685
04:55:27,100 --> 04:55:29,800
driving around looking for
somebody to murder.

4686
04:55:33,400 --> 04:55:38,200
So they find Larry Matthews body
near a pond and day.

4687
04:55:38,200 --> 04:55:42,100
Almonds, the man who found it
was Jeff Mauro.

4688
04:55:42,100 --> 04:55:46,200
And he was a banker, and he also
didn't have a cell phone, so he

4689
04:55:46,200 --> 04:55:48,000
drove home.
And he knocked on his neighbor's

4690
04:55:48,000 --> 04:55:51,400
door.
His neighbor was Don Jerome, who

4691
04:55:51,400 --> 04:55:54,200
was a criminologist for the
sheriff's office in st.

4692
04:55:54,200 --> 04:55:55,900
Charles Parish.
Oh my God.

4693
04:55:56,100 --> 04:55:59,100
So don calls the police and he's
like, I'm going there right

4694
04:55:59,100 --> 04:56:03,200
away.
He makes it in about 20 minutes,

4695
04:56:03,500 --> 04:56:06,100
he determines, if the remains
are fresh due to a lack of rigor

4696
04:56:06,100 --> 04:56:08,800
mortis, he checks the pockets,
there's nothing there.

4697
04:56:09,600 --> 04:56:13,300
The body was wet.
And so, of course, he goes, he

4698
04:56:13,300 --> 04:56:16,400
probably dumped him during the
storm and attempt to, you know,

4699
04:56:16,900 --> 04:56:20,200
have the rain beat any sort of
evidence off of him.

4700
04:56:21,000 --> 04:56:24,200
He liked this boy, they said the
the storm that like the rain was

4701
04:56:24,200 --> 04:56:28,900
sometimes going like sideways.
Oh damn, I love that sideways

4702
04:56:28,900 --> 04:56:32,600
rain.
So He ends up using his little

4703
04:56:32,600 --> 04:56:35,200
digital camera that he has to
take as many pictures as he can

4704
04:56:35,200 --> 04:56:37,900
of everything, while he waits
for the detectives to show up.

4705
04:56:38,200 --> 04:56:41,200
The autopsy is the next day.
They learned that he had been

4706
04:56:41,200 --> 04:56:44,900
killed with the tremendous
amount of force and the overkill

4707
04:56:44,900 --> 04:56:49,500
was significant, he had bruises
on his shoulders, his back, his

4708
04:56:49,500 --> 04:56:55,200
behind his head, the corner.
However, then did a drug test

4709
04:56:55,200 --> 04:57:01,500
and was like, ah, this must have
been an overdose and actually

4710
04:57:01,500 --> 04:57:05,400
listed on his death certificate
was not death certificate but to

4711
04:57:05,400 --> 04:57:11,100
go that's the term that I know.
But I've been told by people in

4712
04:57:11,100 --> 04:57:15,200
the field you don't call it a
death certificate but it's a it

4713
04:57:15,200 --> 04:57:17,600
looks like the things that
happen to your body and how you

4714
04:57:17,608 --> 04:57:20,000
likely died.
He writes it was an accidental

4715
04:57:20,000 --> 04:57:24,000
overdose and I'm like, buddy.
You just said that He was beat

4716
04:57:24,100 --> 04:57:28,200
like, to crap before he died.
What do you mean he OD'd?

4717
04:57:28,300 --> 04:57:30,000
Are you thinking like a
Coroner's report, something like

4718
04:57:30,000 --> 04:57:33,800
that?
Darn it.

4719
04:57:34,100 --> 04:57:39,900
No, don't look it up.
I'm just asking just a lot of

4720
04:57:40,300 --> 04:57:49,000
morticians and people like that
and Interesting.

4721
04:57:49,600 --> 04:57:51,900
I was just thinking it was like
nothing.

4722
04:57:51,900 --> 04:58:00,100
I heard people say, Yeah.
No dash is the morticians.

4723
04:58:00,100 --> 04:58:02,800
This is okay.
Okay.

4724
04:58:03,100 --> 04:58:05,700
I think you're right.
It's a Coroner's report.

4725
04:58:05,700 --> 04:58:08,200
But yeah, so they he puts in his
report though.

4726
04:58:09,500 --> 04:58:13,100
This is accident accident
overdose, which I feel kind of

4727
04:58:13,100 --> 04:58:17,200
contradicts all these abrasions
and bruises all over Larry body

4728
04:58:18,400 --> 04:58:21,300
painter.
Also doesn't write on the report

4729
04:58:21,300 --> 04:58:28,600
if the victim was raped or not.
And then in a strange case that

4730
04:58:28,600 --> 04:58:30,700
his prints come back and they
find out that he's from

4731
04:58:30,700 --> 04:58:37,200
Thibodaux. so, he's from the
same town, where Ronald grew up

4732
04:58:38,500 --> 04:58:42,000
He's and he's also 46 years old,
which is the oldest victim that

4733
04:58:42,000 --> 04:58:45,500
they have had so far.
So they contact, Larry's

4734
04:58:45,500 --> 04:58:50,300
brother, who tells them that he
hadn't seen his brother for

4735
04:58:50,300 --> 04:58:54,800
three or four days.
Then I got it.

4736
04:58:54,800 --> 04:58:57,100
There's all that could explain
to you is that this was a wild

4737
04:58:57,100 --> 04:59:00,100
goose chase.
They followed every lead

4738
04:59:00,100 --> 04:59:01,800
possible and they did determine
that.

4739
04:59:01,800 --> 04:59:03,800
Like at one point.
There is a friend's house with a

4740
04:59:03,808 --> 04:59:07,200
bunch of random white people and
that he had walked out of his

4741
04:59:07,200 --> 04:59:09,500
friends house.
After drinking and playing cards

4742
04:59:09,500 --> 04:59:13,700
and just never come back.
They closed the case and

4743
04:59:13,700 --> 04:59:16,800
determined that at some point he
must have gone and gotten drugs

4744
04:59:16,800 --> 04:59:23,100
and done too many drugs and
what?

4745
04:59:23,100 --> 04:59:28,400
So that really October, I'm just
thinking like, damn, okay, so

4746
04:59:28,400 --> 04:59:30,000
you did all the drugs.
You probably just fell down the

4747
04:59:30,008 --> 04:59:31,900
stairs or something like that.
That's probably what happened.

4748
04:59:31,900 --> 04:59:33,200
That's where all the bruises
came from.

4749
04:59:35,100 --> 04:59:38,700
I mean, later on, we learned
that Ronald.

4750
04:59:38,700 --> 04:59:40,800
Absolutely did get people.
Hi.

4751
04:59:41,000 --> 04:59:44,000
So it's very possible that what
actually killed him was the

4752
04:59:44,000 --> 04:59:48,200
overdose but that all the other
stuff still happen he was still

4753
04:59:48,200 --> 04:59:50,800
strangled and still you didn't
mean it just happened

4754
04:59:50,800 --> 04:59:52,400
postmortem.
Yeah.

4755
04:59:52,500 --> 04:59:54,900
It's very plausible like he was
doing.

4756
04:59:54,900 --> 04:59:57,500
Ronald is doing everything to
get the people in his cars.

4757
04:59:57,900 --> 05:00:03,300
You want to, you know, hang out.
You want to party, you pay, you

4758
05:00:03,300 --> 05:00:05,500
know, I could pay you.
If you're we do some stuff like

4759
05:00:05,500 --> 05:00:07,500
it didn't matter.
He was trying to find any angle

4760
05:00:07,500 --> 05:00:08,800
to get somebody.
In his car.

4761
05:00:10,600 --> 05:00:15,000
But we're not of October yet.
October 24th 2004 the severely

4762
05:00:15,000 --> 05:00:17,800
decomposed remains of Michael
Barnett are found that a gator

4763
05:00:17,800 --> 05:00:22,400
storage by the owner Dirk Guidry
and his wife Wendy now gator

4764
05:00:22,400 --> 05:00:25,600
stores didn't have much security
No Electronic gate you kind of

4765
05:00:25,600 --> 05:00:27,500
paid your money, stored your
stuff and nobody bothered

4766
05:00:27,500 --> 05:00:29,700
anybody else.
They didn't think they needed

4767
05:00:29,700 --> 05:00:34,900
any fancy security system but
the day in question, when D is

4768
05:00:34,900 --> 05:00:37,700
on site and she gets a report
from one of her staff that

4769
05:00:37,700 --> 05:00:41,100
there's a unit that smells bad
and You know, that's not

4770
05:00:41,100 --> 05:00:43,900
uncommon in the world of storage
facilities.

4771
05:00:44,000 --> 05:00:47,100
Like sometimes people do plug in
like a frigerator.

4772
05:00:47,100 --> 05:00:51,000
And some people are living at a
storage units, right?

4773
05:00:51,000 --> 05:00:56,900
Regardless, she walks up to the
one that smells foul and it

4774
05:00:56,900 --> 05:01:00,900
doesn't have a lock.
It was secured with a twist tie,

4775
05:01:02,300 --> 05:01:05,000
so she just pulled it off and
let herself in.

4776
05:01:07,100 --> 05:01:09,400
Wendy described the Decay on the
body.

4777
05:01:09,400 --> 05:01:12,100
So bad.
She said he look like this.

4778
05:01:12,100 --> 05:01:14,100
This person look, he was easily
in his 50s.

4779
05:01:16,000 --> 05:01:20,900
Now, so don Burger on and Simon,
Fryman are put on the case.

4780
05:01:22,400 --> 05:01:25,400
They couldn't determine how he
died because he'd been there for

4781
05:01:25,400 --> 05:01:31,500
so long and someone came and
reported Michael Barnett

4782
05:01:31,500 --> 05:01:33,600
missing.
They didn't think too much of it

4783
05:01:33,600 --> 05:01:38,100
because Michael was only 21 and
this body they had looked way

4784
05:01:38,100 --> 05:01:42,000
way older but what they decide
to do is take photos of the

4785
05:01:42,000 --> 05:01:45,600
tattoos that were on hand and
they took those two local

4786
05:01:45,600 --> 05:01:48,500
artists and one of the artist
was like yeah I know that guy

4787
05:01:48,500 --> 05:01:52,000
his name is Michael Barnett and
they were like wow.

4788
05:01:52,200 --> 05:01:54,900
Wow.
Well apparently he'd been sit in

4789
05:01:54,900 --> 05:01:56,800
that storage locker for a whole
month.

4790
05:01:57,000 --> 05:01:59,500
Oh my God.
And even though fall in New

4791
05:01:59,500 --> 05:02:02,800
Orleans is pretty nice, sitting
inside of a metal storage

4792
05:02:02,800 --> 05:02:08,800
locker, even it only 75 degrees
speeds the decomposition

4793
05:02:08,800 --> 05:02:13,200
process.
Just like everybody else.

4794
05:02:13,200 --> 05:02:17,100
They go through every lead and
and Dawn wonders.

4795
05:02:17,100 --> 05:02:19,300
Could this be the victim of a
Strangler?

4796
05:02:21,000 --> 05:02:24,600
But there's no proof.
Ronald goes into hibernation

4797
05:02:24,600 --> 05:02:28,100
again.
Dennis Thornton is going crazy,

4798
05:02:28,100 --> 05:02:30,000
trying to piece together.
This puzzle.

4799
05:02:30,500 --> 05:02:34,600
Still, the media is not making a
connection either, and to put

4800
05:02:34,600 --> 05:02:37,100
this into perspective, for
people who are listening, as of

4801
05:02:37,100 --> 05:02:40,600
2005, Ronald Dominique had
killed as many people as Jeffrey

4802
05:02:40,600 --> 05:02:43,800
Dahmer.
But there was none of the media

4803
05:02:43,800 --> 05:02:47,700
outrage or even interest.
The local police department was

4804
05:02:47,700 --> 05:02:51,000
less worried about the stats as
a serial killer, and was just

4805
05:02:51,000 --> 05:02:54,100
like, well, let's focus on the
fact that he's killing and Bay,

4806
05:02:54,100 --> 05:02:58,800
you blue, Terrebonne, Parish and
has been since 2003, he must

4807
05:02:58,800 --> 05:03:02,700
live here.
So they brought in everybody

4808
05:03:03,000 --> 05:03:08,200
with a sex crime, like a
conviction in Terrebonne, Parish

4809
05:03:08,700 --> 05:03:11,800
to talk to them.
The problem is wrong.

4810
05:03:11,900 --> 05:03:14,600
Donald didn't get caught in
Terrebonne Parish and he didn't

4811
05:03:14,600 --> 05:03:16,600
get convicted.
So he wouldn't be on the

4812
05:03:16,600 --> 05:03:18,900
conviction list.
He wouldn't even be on the

4813
05:03:19,000 --> 05:03:23,300
attempted list.
Because it's the wrong Parish.

4814
05:03:26,200 --> 05:03:29,500
So like what they're doing the
right thing, but it's not being

4815
05:03:29,500 --> 05:03:31,100
expanded.
And now, right?

4816
05:03:31,100 --> 05:03:33,500
You just searching that One
Singular area, you're not

4817
05:03:34,900 --> 05:03:37,000
fixated on the area where the
murders are happening.

4818
05:03:37,000 --> 05:03:43,100
Right now, Dennis Thornton is
concerned with the fact that

4819
05:03:43,100 --> 05:03:46,800
like this serial killer is
killing at almost bizarre

4820
05:03:47,300 --> 05:03:51,000
intervals.
Like normally it's very

4821
05:03:51,000 --> 05:03:55,700
consistent.
Or there's like a clump of them

4822
05:03:55,700 --> 05:03:58,800
that happened around the same
time, but like he would, you

4823
05:03:58,800 --> 05:04:01,600
know, kill two in one month,
take six months off.

4824
05:04:01,600 --> 05:04:04,700
Like normally, they can't
control themselves that.

4825
05:04:04,700 --> 05:04:09,900
Well, Hey, in later interviews
Ronald would say that even

4826
05:04:09,900 --> 05:04:13,500
though the police weren't on to
him, he decides to operate as if

4827
05:04:13,500 --> 05:04:15,800
they were and he wanted to be
extra careful.

4828
05:04:18,900 --> 05:04:25,600
So 2005 comes and February 20th.
2005 Leon loretty was discovered

4829
05:04:25,600 --> 05:04:29,300
in halma, near the shrine Center
which was this abandoned

4830
05:04:29,300 --> 05:04:33,300
building built in about 1870,
everybody called it the Shriners

4831
05:04:33,300 --> 05:04:38,500
building He was found by Man,
Steve Tim and his son who were

4832
05:04:38,500 --> 05:04:40,900
out dirt biking in the region
because there was this big

4833
05:04:40,900 --> 05:04:45,400
wooded area between the Shriners
building and a small airport

4834
05:04:45,400 --> 05:04:48,700
that was great for just kind of
you know goofing off you know

4835
05:04:48,700 --> 05:04:55,700
pop it on the dirt piles.
Right at first Steve Just saw

4836
05:04:55,700 --> 05:05:00,100
the clothes and he was, he like
stops the kids from getting

4837
05:05:00,100 --> 05:05:01,800
closer.
And at first, he thought he

4838
05:05:01,800 --> 05:05:03,700
would like that.
The person in the grass was

4839
05:05:03,700 --> 05:05:09,600
drunk passed out because he had
a bottle of beer on him and they

4840
05:05:09,600 --> 05:05:11,500
didn't touch him because they
were like, listen, sometimes

4841
05:05:11,500 --> 05:05:14,300
when drunks get woken up, they
just start swinging.

4842
05:05:14,300 --> 05:05:17,600
Yeah, yeah.
So Steve called the police on

4843
05:05:17,600 --> 05:05:21,500
his cell phone, detective, Simon
Fryman got the call at his house

4844
05:05:22,100 --> 05:05:27,800
and Simon actually cognized Leon
because Leann had been

4845
05:05:27,800 --> 05:05:31,700
interviewed during the Nokia
Jones murder a couple of years

4846
05:05:31,700 --> 05:05:38,100
before another one of Ronald's
victims. now, during the time

4847
05:05:38,100 --> 05:05:43,700
that Leon is being autopsy,
Simon gets Leon's.

4848
05:05:43,700 --> 05:05:47,500
Mom to consent to a search of
her house and then she lived

4849
05:05:47,500 --> 05:05:50,400
there and as they were looking
around they found like a

4850
05:05:50,400 --> 05:05:54,100
blood-stained behind a chair and
they got a warrant and the

4851
05:05:54,100 --> 05:05:56,300
warrant allowed the forensic
team to come in and take

4852
05:05:56,300 --> 05:06:02,000
samples.
And that went to a lab Well,

4853
05:06:02,000 --> 05:06:05,300
that's going on.
Simon goes and starts talking to

4854
05:06:05,300 --> 05:06:09,600
Lance friends and realize that
he kind of went missing.

4855
05:06:09,600 --> 05:06:13,200
Sometime around February 13th.
He got into a fight with his

4856
05:06:13,200 --> 05:06:18,000
friends, over some tools and
they said he stole them and he

4857
05:06:18,000 --> 05:06:20,100
said he didn't.
And so, the current friends kind

4858
05:06:20,100 --> 05:06:22,600
of we're having a little bit of
a well, we're not going to talk

4859
05:06:22,600 --> 05:06:25,800
to you a moment and so no one
had seen him after that.

4860
05:06:26,400 --> 05:06:29,700
Now the autopsy did show that
Leon was very drunk when he died

4861
05:06:30,300 --> 05:06:33,300
and he'd also been Strangled,
with some kind of a chord.

4862
05:06:34,400 --> 05:06:37,000
They figured that, his blood
alcohol level would have been so

4863
05:06:37,000 --> 05:06:41,300
high that he wouldn't have been
able to really defend himself.

4864
05:06:44,300 --> 05:06:48,700
Now, Simon is the same
environment is at the police

4865
05:06:48,700 --> 05:06:52,300
precinct doing like the work you
the paperwork because that's the

4866
05:06:52,300 --> 05:06:54,000
stuff they never talked about,
right?

4867
05:06:54,100 --> 05:06:58,000
And a woman comes in, for a
different case, around the Sugar

4868
05:06:58,000 --> 05:07:02,100
Bowl, motel and on a whim Simon,
kind of shows her Leon's

4869
05:07:02,100 --> 05:07:06,000
picture, and she's like, oh
yeah, he's here a lot, the Sugar

4870
05:07:06,000 --> 05:07:10,100
Bowl was a known spot to pick up
professionals and for

4871
05:07:10,100 --> 05:07:15,000
professionals to find John So
she was able to cut their time

4872
05:07:15,400 --> 05:07:21,000
from nine days to 36 hours.
Whoo damn nice.

4873
05:07:21,000 --> 05:07:24,000
Yeah she had seen him as
frequently as a day and a half

4874
05:07:24,000 --> 05:07:28,400
before he died.
The other important detail that

4875
05:07:28,400 --> 05:07:31,400
she was able to tell them was
that she had seen Leon with a

4876
05:07:31,400 --> 05:07:37,700
white guy, who had a limp On
March 3rd.

4877
05:07:37,700 --> 05:07:40,200
They got a call from a witness
saying there had been a man a

4878
05:07:40,200 --> 05:07:46,400
maroon car that had been near
the airport just standing there

4879
05:07:46,800 --> 05:07:49,400
and that was kind of weird
because this is like a small

4880
05:07:49,400 --> 05:07:58,300
private airport and he's just
around and that puts this

4881
05:07:58,300 --> 05:08:03,800
random, weird Shifty, white guy
near the remains hours before

4882
05:08:03,800 --> 05:08:05,300
the body had been dumped.
Aunt.

4883
05:08:06,200 --> 05:08:09,200
Very good information but they
didn't have enough to identify

4884
05:08:09,200 --> 05:08:11,000
him.
Right.

4885
05:08:11,700 --> 05:08:16,400
Early April, they find them.
Another man fully clothed in a

4886
05:08:16,408 --> 05:08:19,500
wooded area, near the Lafourche
Work Release Center, and

4887
05:08:19,500 --> 05:08:23,500
Lafourche Paris detectors were
used to it now and they just

4888
05:08:23,500 --> 05:08:26,300
showed up trying to collect any
evidence they could and of

4889
05:08:26,300 --> 05:08:30,500
course there's no i.d.
No evidence.

4890
05:08:30,500 --> 05:08:34,500
So LSPD puts out a bolo for
people who don't know, bolo

4891
05:08:34,500 --> 05:08:36,800
stands out stands for be on the
lookout.

4892
05:08:36,800 --> 05:08:41,100
It's a type of bulletin and
instead of saying like, hey,

4893
05:08:41,100 --> 05:08:44,800
look for this suspect.
It was.

4894
05:08:45,000 --> 05:08:49,700
Hey, is there anyone that can
get us in contact with someone

4895
05:08:49,700 --> 05:08:57,200
who recognizes this person?
Yeah, and this brought in other

4896
05:08:57,200 --> 05:09:01,400
police who saw Saw the
similarities of the victims in

4897
05:09:01,400 --> 05:09:07,400
their Parish.
The autopsy showed he'd been

4898
05:09:07,400 --> 05:09:09,500
strangled.
And after his prints went

4899
05:09:09,500 --> 05:09:13,000
through the apis database, his
name came back as August Tyrell

4900
05:09:13,000 --> 05:09:16,800
Watkins, five foot six hundred
thirty pounds, 32 years old also

4901
05:09:16,800 --> 05:09:19,100
if people don't know if is
stands for the automated

4902
05:09:19,100 --> 05:09:23,300
fingerprint identification
system which is what we use in

4903
05:09:23,300 --> 05:09:26,200
the u.s.
It doesn't actually pinpoint the

4904
05:09:26,200 --> 05:09:28,500
fingerprints like on the TV
shows.

4905
05:09:28,700 --> 05:09:32,500
But what it will do is it will
give the print examiner a

4906
05:09:32,500 --> 05:09:39,000
collection to look through.
Instead of like 5,000 people, it

4907
05:09:39,000 --> 05:09:44,300
might return 24 and then they
print those out and they look

4908
05:09:44,600 --> 05:09:47,600
and they compare the prints.
They have to a much smaller

4909
05:09:47,600 --> 05:09:50,700
number so it makes the job
significantly Sims year.

4910
05:09:50,700 --> 05:09:54,600
Yeah, that's all this is.
It's great information.

4911
05:09:54,600 --> 05:09:59,400
I do like to Rouse Family
actually didn't know he was

4912
05:09:59,400 --> 05:10:02,400
missing because he'd been
evicted from his home and he was

4913
05:10:02,400 --> 05:10:05,600
struggling with housing.
So everybody knew Ooh, that like

4914
05:10:05,600 --> 05:10:08,900
Tara was living with different
people and was bouncing around

4915
05:10:09,200 --> 05:10:13,400
to different peoples houses so
nobody really had an idea when

4916
05:10:13,400 --> 05:10:16,500
he went missing, because they
just assumed like, oh, he's with

4917
05:10:16,700 --> 05:10:19,000
his aunt.
Oh, he's staying at his cousin's

4918
05:10:19,000 --> 05:10:20,300
house.
Oh, he's staring at his

4919
05:10:20,300 --> 05:10:25,600
girlfriend's house, but through
talking with the neighbors and

4920
05:10:25,600 --> 05:10:29,300
all of his friends and family,
they ended up going to the woods

4921
05:10:29,300 --> 05:10:33,500
near jack's grocery to look for
a bag of his things that he

4922
05:10:33,500 --> 05:10:37,300
carried with him.
His items were found near that

4923
05:10:37,300 --> 05:10:40,600
abandoned lot near the grocery
store and they theorize that

4924
05:10:40,600 --> 05:10:44,400
Tyrell might have met his killer
while asking for food or a place

4925
05:10:44,400 --> 05:10:52,800
to stay the last person.
He lived with was a young woman

4926
05:10:52,800 --> 05:10:56,700
who he'd been dating but she had
kicked him out and was dating

4927
05:10:56,700 --> 05:11:00,400
somebody else and that at the
time that he died, he was

4928
05:11:00,400 --> 05:11:07,700
sleeping in a local tunnel.
Yeah.

4929
05:11:08,000 --> 05:11:11,400
Sorry friends told the police
that they'd seen Tyrell hanging

4930
05:11:11,400 --> 05:11:15,200
out with a white guy who drove a
white truck and they found the

4931
05:11:15,200 --> 05:11:18,500
white guy and his wife based on
running the place this couple

4932
05:11:18,500 --> 05:11:21,300
neutral because they brought it,
they bought drugs from him and

4933
05:11:21,300 --> 05:11:26,000
they were kind of, like, nervous
when they talk to the police and

4934
05:11:26,000 --> 05:11:29,100
the police were like, what you
called him at multiple locations

4935
05:11:29,100 --> 05:11:31,600
and they're like, fine, we got
drugs from him.

4936
05:11:31,600 --> 05:11:33,500
That's why we called him
different places.

4937
05:11:33,600 --> 05:11:41,700
He lived, you got us.
The first like they were like do

4938
05:11:41,700 --> 05:11:43,500
you ever let this guy drive your
truck?

4939
05:11:43,600 --> 05:11:45,900
And the lady was like I would
never and they were like we

4940
05:11:45,900 --> 05:11:50,100
definitely have people who say
that you he was seen driving it

4941
05:11:50,100 --> 05:11:52,700
and you were sitting with it and
the thing was apparently the

4942
05:11:52,700 --> 05:11:55,400
couple were broken up and got
back together so there might

4943
05:11:55,400 --> 05:11:58,500
have been a little hanky-panky
going on way and she didn't want

4944
05:11:58,500 --> 05:12:01,200
to let her husband know, had
happened, right right, right.

4945
05:12:03,500 --> 05:12:05,900
I mean they followed no less
than 10 leads.

4946
05:12:06,100 --> 05:12:09,400
They learned about everything if
he was going through while

4947
05:12:09,400 --> 05:12:13,400
struggling with housing but the
case stalled after everybody

4948
05:12:13,400 --> 05:12:17,300
checked out, Now, remember how I
said that Denis Norden was

4949
05:12:17,300 --> 05:12:21,800
trying to get the police to do a
task force today.

4950
05:12:21,800 --> 05:12:24,400
Finally get one or oh buddy, we
get it.

4951
05:12:24,400 --> 05:12:25,700
We get task force.
All right.

4952
05:12:25,900 --> 05:12:31,700
Oh nice, nice, nice.
Now, Dennis is parish is

4953
05:12:31,700 --> 05:12:35,900
Terrebonne and so, don, don
Bergeron has her own Parish that

4954
05:12:36,500 --> 05:12:39,900
she's dealing with ones and so
ultimately the two of them kind

4955
05:12:39,900 --> 05:12:42,000
of piece things together and
they're like, all right, at this

4956
05:12:42,000 --> 05:12:43,800
point.
Now we have potentially 15

4957
05:12:43,800 --> 05:12:45,500
murders.
We know the guys Is mobile.

4958
05:12:45,700 --> 05:12:47,500
We know he picks up his victims
on the street.

4959
05:12:47,600 --> 05:12:49,400
It's a must be consistent
motive.

4960
05:12:49,400 --> 05:12:52,000
Across victims, that turns out
to be not true.

4961
05:12:52,100 --> 05:12:56,100
His MO is different depending on
the victim.

4962
05:12:56,500 --> 05:13:00,400
Now what originally started as a
sex crimes had devolved into

4963
05:13:00,400 --> 05:13:03,500
like just murder because they
couldn't not all the bodies.

4964
05:13:03,500 --> 05:13:06,000
They couldn't determine whether
they've been assaulted or not.

4965
05:13:07,000 --> 05:13:09,300
They were very disheartened by
the fact that the major media

4966
05:13:09,300 --> 05:13:12,300
news wouldn't cover this and
thing that was really

4967
05:13:12,300 --> 05:13:15,500
interesting is because around
the same time Member how I said

4968
05:13:15,500 --> 05:13:18,200
I was looking for there not to
be a crisscross of murders.

4969
05:13:19,500 --> 05:13:22,700
There was a crisscross of murder
as I forgot about Derrick Todd

4970
05:13:22,700 --> 05:13:24,800
Lee.
The Baton Rouge serial killer,

4971
05:13:25,000 --> 05:13:27,200
who was killing in Northern
Louisiana.

4972
05:13:27,300 --> 05:13:30,100
While Ronald was killing in
Southern Louisiana.

4973
05:13:30,100 --> 05:13:33,000
Oh my God, the process was all
over.

4974
05:13:33,000 --> 05:13:38,000
Derrick, Todd Lee's case because
that was a black man killing

4975
05:13:38,000 --> 05:13:43,700
white women that sells papers
Ronald, of course, was choosing

4976
05:13:43,700 --> 05:13:47,400
black men down on their luck.
Offering them, hope a place to

4977
05:13:47,400 --> 05:13:49,900
say, or just some drugs to pass
the night.

4978
05:13:51,100 --> 05:13:56,100
And therefore those cases
weren't really, you know, making

4979
05:13:56,100 --> 05:14:00,800
the yeah, no headline news right
there.

4980
05:14:02,100 --> 05:14:06,000
But finally, it's April 2005 and
Dennis gets that real task force

4981
05:14:06,700 --> 05:14:10,600
after 15 murders.
So the state and vice Dennis to

4982
05:14:10,600 --> 05:14:14,100
this massive meeting.
Because he'd been the longest on

4983
05:14:14,100 --> 05:14:16,200
the cases.
He'd been following them for

4984
05:14:16,200 --> 05:14:18,800
eight years now.
And they also included Tom

4985
05:14:18,800 --> 05:14:22,200
Lambert from ham from the how
much Sheriff's Office and FBI

4986
05:14:22,200 --> 05:14:27,300
agent from New Orleans Jack or
sign Simon Fryman from Hama PD

4987
05:14:27,600 --> 05:14:31,000
Dawn Burger on from Terrebonne
Parish and her boss.

4988
05:14:31,300 --> 05:14:37,600
Major four major Vernon Booyah
Booyah, there's so many friends

4989
05:14:37,600 --> 05:14:40,300
James I had to look up.
So good right now.

4990
05:14:41,000 --> 05:14:44,800
Also they invited 14 other cops
representing all six of the

4991
05:14:44,800 --> 05:14:47,900
parishes where there were
murdered Dennis was hype.

4992
05:14:47,900 --> 05:14:49,800
He was like, we have the money
now to really fun.

4993
05:14:49,800 --> 05:14:53,300
This it's getting on the news
and so, they did decide to focus

4994
05:14:53,300 --> 05:14:56,200
on Terrebonne Parish since five
of the most recent murders

4995
05:14:56,200 --> 05:14:58,500
happen there.
Both, he and Don become lead,

4996
05:14:58,500 --> 05:15:02,100
detectives on Me on the task
force, and they were chosen

4997
05:15:02,100 --> 05:15:04,100
because of their years of
looking into the case.

4998
05:15:04,500 --> 05:15:07,100
But also the fact that the two
always kind of showed initiative

4999
05:15:07,100 --> 05:15:09,900
in a willingness to kind of
think, outside the box, Don was

5000
05:15:09,900 --> 05:15:12,300
exceptionally talented at
speaking to Witnesses and

5001
05:15:12,300 --> 05:15:16,200
potential suspects, and getting
quick confessions, or statements

5002
05:15:16,200 --> 05:15:19,800
as a police, like to call them.
She said, I had a very

5003
05:15:20,000 --> 05:15:24,000
incredible ability to soften
people up and get them to just

5004
05:15:24,600 --> 05:15:28,500
spill their guts.
This was very valuable trait for

5005
05:15:28,500 --> 05:15:32,300
this investigation because even
people who weren't suspects had

5006
05:15:32,300 --> 05:15:35,700
information to give and we
didn't have the time for you to

5007
05:15:35,700 --> 05:15:38,800
be standoffish.
Give me the information.

5008
05:15:38,900 --> 05:15:41,500
Even I need so we can move on
and go somewhere else.

5009
05:15:43,100 --> 05:15:44,600
Right, that's how I always am
with.

5010
05:15:44,600 --> 05:15:47,000
People.
Look, look, I got Time.

5011
05:15:47,000 --> 05:15:49,900
Come on, come on, come on, but
she did it in a way that you

5012
05:15:49,900 --> 05:15:51,500
know, didn't make people feel
standoffish.

5013
05:15:51,500 --> 05:15:55,900
It was it was it's a talent.
Unfortunately, as soon as they

5014
05:15:55,900 --> 05:15:58,700
got themselves together, another
murder happened.

5015
05:15:58,900 --> 05:16:02,800
This time and Lafourche Parish,
it was the end of April and Kirk

5016
05:16:02,800 --> 05:16:04,600
Cunningham's.
Body was found floating in a

5017
05:16:04,608 --> 05:16:07,200
ditch.
Kurt was 23 years old.

5018
05:16:07,200 --> 05:16:10,400
And from Thibodeau, he was the
first White victim.

5019
05:16:11,300 --> 05:16:15,400
Hey, last been seen and how On
April 8 but he wasn't discovered

5020
05:16:15,400 --> 05:16:20,700
until 20 days later off of
Highway 307, the apps autopsy

5021
05:16:20,700 --> 05:16:25,700
ruled inconclusive because he's
been sitting in water for days

5022
05:16:28,700 --> 05:16:30,300
actually.
Okay.

5023
05:16:30,900 --> 05:16:34,000
So because it was like a dish,
it was probably not all water.

5024
05:16:34,000 --> 05:16:36,500
So like half of his body is
water.

5025
05:16:36,900 --> 05:16:41,400
Decomposed in the other half is
it's not yeah.

5026
05:16:43,000 --> 05:16:48,300
Decomp from this point forward.
They decided we need to

5027
05:16:48,308 --> 05:16:51,300
streamline this process.
We have a lot of people on this.

5028
05:16:51,400 --> 05:16:53,100
There's no need for
redundancies.

5029
05:16:53,600 --> 05:16:57,500
So, we're going to use one crime
lab for all future evidence.

5030
05:16:57,600 --> 05:17:02,700
This will all of the evidence
will only be handled by the same

5031
05:17:02,700 --> 05:17:07,900
people.
So there is no confusion as to

5032
05:17:08,100 --> 05:17:11,100
who has it like this detective
is the person who's going to

5033
05:17:11,100 --> 05:17:16,700
carry this stuff in his car to
this lab and will be that person

5034
05:17:16,700 --> 05:17:21,300
from now on.
Okay, this standardization gave

5035
05:17:21,300 --> 05:17:22,600
everybody.
The thing that they were to

5036
05:17:22,800 --> 05:17:25,800
handle, kind of expertly at
every crime scene, so there's no

5037
05:17:25,800 --> 05:17:29,800
wasted energy.
Dennis came up with the idea for

5038
05:17:29,800 --> 05:17:35,200
them to fingerprint.
All of Kurt Cunningham's body.

5039
05:17:35,700 --> 05:17:41,200
But to use different
temperatures to maybe make

5040
05:17:41,200 --> 05:17:46,100
certain things appear.
He said that he got this from

5041
05:17:46,100 --> 05:17:49,300
CSI.
Oh my God, like worth a shot.

5042
05:17:51,400 --> 05:17:55,000
To see if depending on the
temperature things, you know the

5043
05:17:55,000 --> 05:17:59,400
skin might change and you might
get a usable print.

5044
05:18:02,000 --> 05:18:04,700
Now Dennis and Dawn are digging
into the current investigation

5045
05:18:04,700 --> 05:18:08,700
and another murder happens.
This time Alonzo Hogan, 23 years

5046
05:18:08,700 --> 05:18:12,200
old st.
Charles Parish July 2nd Alonzo

5047
05:18:12,200 --> 05:18:15,500
was 28 and he was black, he was
found fully dressed.

5048
05:18:17,300 --> 05:18:20,300
Ronald had gone back to an old
dump site the cane field off of

5049
05:18:20,300 --> 05:18:24,300
Highway 306.
They went back to the old files,

5050
05:18:24,300 --> 05:18:27,200
to try and find a connection
between the new cases, and the

5051
05:18:27,200 --> 05:18:32,200
old ones.
How am I resident Wayne Smith?

5052
05:18:36,100 --> 05:18:40,300
Is found in a ditch fully
clothed on August 16th.

5053
05:18:40,300 --> 05:18:43,300
So why month later off of Grand
Caillou Road.

5054
05:18:44,200 --> 05:18:47,300
This is another one that gets
marked as undetermined by the

5055
05:18:47,300 --> 05:18:49,600
coroner due to Advanced
decomposition.

5056
05:18:50,000 --> 05:18:53,300
Wayne is one of the youngest
victims at only 17 years old.

5057
05:18:54,400 --> 05:18:57,000
They use the same protocols
collect as much evidence has

5058
05:18:57,000 --> 05:18:59,600
and, you know, follow their,
their plan.

5059
05:19:01,400 --> 05:19:03,700
Donald that is also root out the
shoe connection.

5060
05:19:04,000 --> 05:19:06,700
It wasn't a signature, it was
just the side effect of having

5061
05:19:06,700 --> 05:19:11,700
to move the bodies CIA.
But an interesting thing was

5062
05:19:11,700 --> 05:19:14,600
that three of the victims have
been seen at the Sugar Bowl

5063
05:19:14,600 --> 05:19:18,300
Motel just before their death.
And they noticed that every

5064
05:19:18,300 --> 05:19:22,400
victim had at least one prior
criminal offense.

5065
05:19:23,300 --> 05:19:24,900
That was an interesting pattern,
too.

5066
05:19:27,300 --> 05:19:31,300
Now it's August 28, 2005.
Do you remember what happened

5067
05:19:32,300 --> 05:19:36,600
Ryan?
You said, August 28th, 2005.

5068
05:19:40,400 --> 05:19:44,500
I don't.
Well, disaster struck Louisiana

5069
05:19:44,700 --> 05:19:47,900
Hurricane Katrina one of the
five deadliest hurricanes in US.

5070
05:19:47,900 --> 05:19:51,800
History, I'm sorry, that's okay.
It was a category 3.

5071
05:19:51,800 --> 05:19:55,300
When it made landfall on the
Gulf Coast on August 29th, for

5072
05:19:55,300 --> 05:19:58,000
people who are Americans, who
are listening, Louisiana,

5073
05:19:58,000 --> 05:20:00,500
specifically New Orleans is
below sea level.

5074
05:20:00,700 --> 05:20:04,000
And the region is protected by a
series of flood walls and levees

5075
05:20:04,400 --> 05:20:07,100
that pretty much block water
from going where it shouldn't.

5076
05:20:07,700 --> 05:20:11,300
Some of these flood levees can
be natural, but many of them

5077
05:20:11,300 --> 05:20:14,400
were man-made.
And on Monday, August 29th,

5078
05:20:14,400 --> 05:20:18,500
there were over 50 failures in
the walls and 80% of New Orleans

5079
05:20:18,900 --> 05:20:22,800
and all of st.
Bernard Parish flooded, you're

5080
05:20:22,800 --> 05:20:26,300
talking tens of billions of
gallons of water from the

5081
05:20:26,300 --> 05:20:29,900
Atlantic Ocean, flooding over
100,000 homes and businesses.

5082
05:20:30,200 --> 05:20:32,500
It is considered to be one of
the costliest, natural disasters

5083
05:20:32,500 --> 05:20:37,400
in US history, costing over 100
billion dollars God.

5084
05:20:37,800 --> 05:20:40,700
And the thing is, if you're from
the south, I give her somebody

5085
05:20:40,700 --> 05:20:44,900
who's listening from the south
like Like, at one point, one of

5086
05:20:44,900 --> 05:20:47,400
my family members lived in Port,
not with a.

5087
05:20:48,200 --> 05:20:50,500
What's the bottommost town in
Florida?

5088
05:20:50,500 --> 05:20:53,400
I forget what it's called acute
was.

5089
05:20:53,500 --> 05:20:57,800
It's one of the keys.
Yeah, income like it's they're

5090
05:20:57,800 --> 05:21:01,200
so used to hurricanes that.
They just like stack up there

5091
05:21:01,200 --> 05:21:05,300
sandbags and then they drive
away and they tow back to the

5092
05:21:05,300 --> 05:21:06,900
mainland.
Like they're just used to them

5093
05:21:06,900 --> 05:21:11,500
happening, like every 6 to 12
months and it's always like this

5094
05:21:11,500 --> 05:21:14,900
is gonna be the First one and
they're just like yeah, whatever

5095
05:21:14,900 --> 05:21:18,700
whatever it is.
It was kind of like that in New

5096
05:21:18,700 --> 05:21:23,200
Orleans because they were used
to these but the because the

5097
05:21:23,200 --> 05:21:29,000
levy the Levee failures happened
People didn't evacuate like

5098
05:21:29,000 --> 05:21:32,900
people didn't evacuate and
eight, 1836 people were killed.

5099
05:21:34,000 --> 05:21:37,500
There are a host of horrible
atrocities against people that

5100
05:21:37,500 --> 05:21:39,800
happen in the city.
During this time, I mean, I

5101
05:21:39,800 --> 05:21:44,900
remember watching there were
police forcing people with kids

5102
05:21:44,900 --> 05:21:47,700
back into flooded water while
they were trying to cross a

5103
05:21:47,700 --> 05:21:50,100
bridge because the bridge was
dangerous, but like the people

5104
05:21:50,100 --> 05:21:54,900
were like we're gonna drown that
was caught on camera.

5105
05:21:55,100 --> 05:21:58,700
There was also an entire prison
that was left full of inmates

5106
05:21:59,300 --> 05:22:02,200
and the inmates were left or
drown as the guards kind of

5107
05:22:02,200 --> 05:22:04,900
worried about their own safety.
That's something that they don't

5108
05:22:04,900 --> 05:22:08,600
like to talk about and there's a
lot of history around that a lot

5109
05:22:08,600 --> 05:22:11,100
of government in action and
mismanagement happened.

5110
05:22:11,100 --> 05:22:13,200
I could go on, but we don't have
the time.

5111
05:22:14,700 --> 05:22:19,800
It took two years just to rid
the city of biohazards and begin

5112
05:22:19,800 --> 05:22:23,800
rebuilding.
And when I say that, New Orleans

5113
05:22:23,800 --> 05:22:25,700
is frequently called the city of
the dead.

5114
05:22:25,700 --> 05:22:29,900
It's notoriously haunted, and it
has a host of above-ground

5115
05:22:29,900 --> 05:22:33,900
mausoleums and beautiful
cemeteries and well, those are

5116
05:22:33,900 --> 05:22:39,500
below sea level.
When the flood happened.

5117
05:22:41,300 --> 05:22:45,100
The bodies in the ground also
came out.

5118
05:22:46,100 --> 05:22:51,600
So they were finding remains and
having to try and figure out

5119
05:22:51,600 --> 05:22:53,500
where they came from.
Where these people, who drowned

5120
05:22:53,500 --> 05:22:56,900
in the actual water are these
remains from cemeteries, it took

5121
05:22:56,900 --> 05:23:01,500
years, it's been 17 years since.
And from what I understand

5122
05:23:01,500 --> 05:23:06,000
things are mostly back to normal
down there but That's good.

5123
05:23:06,000 --> 05:23:09,600
That's good to hear.
Well, once the water subsided,

5124
05:23:09,600 --> 05:23:11,600
there was another murder to deal
with.

5125
05:23:12,500 --> 05:23:16,200
Krista Ville, 40 years old and
this time it was a new dump

5126
05:23:16,200 --> 05:23:19,200
site.
Assumption Parish he wasn't a

5127
05:23:19,200 --> 05:23:22,300
typical victim.
Chris was not transient.

5128
05:23:22,300 --> 05:23:30,000
He didn't have a history of
drugs or Home of my keys were

5129
05:23:30,000 --> 05:23:36,000
homelessness, but you know,
housing issues or even crime in

5130
05:23:36,000 --> 05:23:38,600
his background, right?
His family was together.

5131
05:23:38,600 --> 05:23:43,000
His brother was a cop.
He was also fully clothed and

5132
05:23:43,000 --> 05:23:47,400
left off of Highway 1.
It was almost like maybe this

5133
05:23:47,400 --> 05:23:52,500
one was done in a Moment of
desperation.

5134
05:23:56,400 --> 05:23:59,400
Interesting.
And what I see as the stunning

5135
05:23:59,400 --> 05:24:04,200
display of sort of fuckery that
isn't Dawn's bosses.

5136
05:24:04,200 --> 05:24:07,800
Begin, freaking out on the task
force and saying you're taking

5137
05:24:07,800 --> 05:24:09,900
too long.
We want results.

5138
05:24:11,400 --> 05:24:14,600
Even though it had taken them,
eight years to provide, Dennis

5139
05:24:14,600 --> 05:24:17,800
with the money to, even really
pursue the cases, they were

5140
05:24:17,800 --> 05:24:20,300
being expected to solve them
immediately.

5141
05:24:23,500 --> 05:24:26,100
Okay, thank you for the money
now, we'll create some magic for

5142
05:24:26,100 --> 05:24:27,300
you.
Okay, snack.

5143
05:24:28,400 --> 05:24:31,800
Well, luckily, the task force
gets a break and that break

5144
05:24:31,800 --> 05:24:34,000
comes in the name of a man named
John.

5145
05:24:34,000 --> 05:24:37,500
Banning John was the typical
Mark for Ronald?

5146
05:24:38,500 --> 05:24:43,200
What Ronald didn't know was that
John's parole officer was

5147
05:24:43,200 --> 05:24:45,800
officer Lambert?
One of the men in the task

5148
05:24:45,800 --> 05:24:49,200
force.
John was walking on the highway

5149
05:24:49,200 --> 05:24:53,300
when he was approached by Ronald
and offered sex with a girl

5150
05:24:53,300 --> 05:24:58,700
based off of a photo.
Anton was like he doesn't look

5151
05:24:58,700 --> 05:25:01,500
very dangerous and that picture
is very sexy.

5152
05:25:01,800 --> 05:25:04,800
What's the harm in going to his
house and see if she's real?

5153
05:25:07,100 --> 05:25:10,000
So as they're Drivin, he said
that Ronald talked about some

5154
05:25:10,000 --> 05:25:14,500
weird stuff, he talked about how
he was going to have to tie John

5155
05:25:14,500 --> 05:25:19,400
up because the girls really like
bashful about new guys, it was

5156
05:25:19,400 --> 05:25:22,100
real weird.
Also, he randomly talked about

5157
05:25:22,100 --> 05:25:24,300
how there was a stigma around
being gay.

5158
05:25:25,300 --> 05:25:27,600
And for some reason, when Ronald
pulled into his sister's

5159
05:25:27,600 --> 05:25:33,200
driveway, John still State, they
went to the trailer.

5160
05:25:33,400 --> 05:25:36,900
Ronald begins his routine.
He tells John get undressed,

5161
05:25:37,000 --> 05:25:38,900
Rest, and he's like, and then
I'll tie you up.

5162
05:25:39,100 --> 05:25:41,100
And John kind of took stock of
the room.

5163
05:25:41,100 --> 05:25:45,800
And was just like, there are
jugs of urine in this room,

5164
05:25:45,800 --> 05:25:51,100
which is weird, and also Stacks,
and stacks of gay porn.

5165
05:25:52,900 --> 05:25:55,700
John takes that moment and just
walks out of the door.

5166
05:25:55,700 --> 05:25:59,500
And Ronald doesn't stop him.
He actually said he ran back to

5167
05:25:59,500 --> 05:26:02,200
the highway.
Wow.

5168
05:26:03,800 --> 05:26:08,700
Okay, so Donna, Dennis are, you
know, back at headquarters

5169
05:26:08,700 --> 05:26:13,500
discussing their try to figure
out like the guy that Witnesses

5170
05:26:13,500 --> 05:26:19,600
reported Didn't seem like a big
guy like yeah, he was Heavy SAT

5171
05:26:19,600 --> 05:26:23,300
but he wasn't very tall.
And like he didn't seem very

5172
05:26:23,300 --> 05:26:25,600
strong according to Witnesses.
So they're trying to figure out

5173
05:26:25,600 --> 05:26:28,700
how is he getting these people
to get in his car.

5174
05:26:29,000 --> 05:26:32,400
They had already been through
every sex offender in every

5175
05:26:32,400 --> 05:26:38,000
Parish where there was a murder.
But they didn't think to talk to

5176
05:26:38,000 --> 05:26:43,000
the Parolees and so that came up
during this conversation and

5177
05:26:43,000 --> 05:26:45,800
they they like, hey, they like
they go to their squadmate

5178
05:26:45,800 --> 05:26:49,100
Lambert and they're just like,
hey, we want to go through all

5179
05:26:49,100 --> 05:26:51,900
the Parolees and you're here.
So you have the list on you,

5180
05:26:52,200 --> 05:26:54,300
like I mean, you still working
at a, his side to work their

5181
05:26:54,300 --> 05:26:58,400
regular stuff too.
And so he's just like we want to

5182
05:26:58,400 --> 05:27:01,100
talk to all the people who are
on parole in this town.

5183
05:27:02,600 --> 05:27:05,500
Which is how John Banning ended
up in the interrogation room

5184
05:27:05,500 --> 05:27:09,100
talking to Dennis and Dawn.
I guess, first he talked to

5185
05:27:09,100 --> 05:27:12,700
Lambert and then to Dennis and
on John tells them how this fat

5186
05:27:12,700 --> 05:27:15,700
white guy pulled up on him and a
black Sonoma truck, offered him,

5187
05:27:15,700 --> 05:27:18,700
alcohol.
And a crack at banging hot

5188
05:27:18,700 --> 05:27:20,800
chick.
He told them exactly where

5189
05:27:20,800 --> 05:27:22,600
Ronald had taken them to make
them to.

5190
05:27:23,100 --> 05:27:27,800
And this is so weird.
But like, they all met near

5191
05:27:27,800 --> 05:27:30,700
Ronald house and I think it's
really up because you have like

5192
05:27:30,700 --> 05:27:34,400
a regular police officer with
John Banning and then you have

5193
05:27:34,600 --> 05:27:40,200
two detectives in like suits,
But they don't walk up to the

5194
05:27:40,200 --> 05:27:45,300
door.
In fact, what Dawn does is she

5195
05:27:45,300 --> 05:27:55,700
goes up to Or Don does is she
goes up to the mailbox and she

5196
05:27:55,700 --> 05:27:59,500
begins kind of flooding through
the mail and there's only one

5197
05:27:59,500 --> 05:28:03,300
male named in the house.
Ronald J Dominique.

5198
05:28:04,700 --> 05:28:08,400
They decide.
They go back and they decide

5199
05:28:08,400 --> 05:28:12,200
they want to make sure this is
airtight, so they decide to just

5200
05:28:12,200 --> 05:28:14,800
go talk to him.
Like, knock on the door, they're

5201
05:28:14,800 --> 05:28:21,800
like, hey Ronald, um, There's
this guy who made kind of a

5202
05:28:21,800 --> 05:28:25,800
charge against you, and we just
want to talk to you about it.

5203
05:28:26,000 --> 05:28:28,900
His name's John Banning and he
like, filed a report, he's like,

5204
05:28:28,900 --> 05:28:31,600
can you talk to us at the
station and so they go in and

5205
05:28:31,600 --> 05:28:34,300
Ronald tells them that he know,
he's just in a kinky sex and he

5206
05:28:34,300 --> 05:28:36,400
was having fun with the whole
tied up thing.

5207
05:28:37,600 --> 05:28:40,800
Dennis asks, run up to take a
lie detector test and for the

5208
05:28:40,800 --> 05:28:44,400
first time in their interview
Ronald gets pissed and he's like

5209
05:28:44,400 --> 05:28:47,100
what's all this about?
And then it's just tries to play

5210
05:28:47,100 --> 05:28:48,000
it off.
Cool, listen.

5211
05:28:48,200 --> 05:28:49,600
To Dominique.
We're just trying to clear these

5212
05:28:49,600 --> 05:28:51,400
cases.
We're working on, if you can

5213
05:28:51,400 --> 05:28:53,300
help us, that would be
wonderful.

5214
05:28:54,800 --> 05:28:58,900
So he agrees to the polygraph
then Dawn, it's just like, you

5215
05:28:58,900 --> 05:29:03,500
know, it would help us a lot if
you sign this consent form.

5216
05:29:05,200 --> 05:29:11,900
And give us your DNA.
Oh God, he agrees and they take

5217
05:29:11,900 --> 05:29:15,300
a hair and saliva sample and
they thanked him over and over

5218
05:29:15,300 --> 05:29:17,700
again and send him on his way.
And if you listen to the podcast

5219
05:29:17,700 --> 05:29:22,500
a lot, you're like wait, what?
Well, okay, so it's weird that

5220
05:29:22,500 --> 05:29:25,500
he was so agreeable.
But also the other weird thing

5221
05:29:25,500 --> 05:29:27,500
is that they had to ask
permission to get his DNA

5222
05:29:27,700 --> 05:29:32,500
because we've had other cases,
like the Grim sleeper, where

5223
05:29:32,500 --> 05:29:34,400
they followed him to a birthday
party.

5224
05:29:34,600 --> 05:29:38,300
And Told the plates and cakes
that he ate off of, right.

5225
05:29:38,300 --> 05:29:42,600
Yeah, that's because the DNA at
that time.

5226
05:29:44,600 --> 05:29:46,900
They did it wasn't as advanced
as it is.

5227
05:29:47,500 --> 05:29:52,000
Today even 10 years later.
And so now we can get DNA on

5228
05:29:52,000 --> 05:29:55,600
vert off of virtually anything.
But back then we couldn't.

5229
05:29:55,600 --> 05:29:58,400
So they went for the thing that
you could get the best match on

5230
05:29:58,700 --> 05:30:04,800
which was hair spit semen.
They were like, can we can we

5231
05:30:04,800 --> 05:30:06,600
get these?
I think you can't ask him for a

5232
05:30:06,600 --> 05:30:09,300
semen sample.
He wouldn't do that, but like

5233
05:30:09,300 --> 05:30:12,900
you never know, you never know.
He see that kind of guy who

5234
05:30:12,900 --> 05:30:15,300
probably give it up to Who
knows?

5235
05:30:15,500 --> 05:30:18,600
They paint John Bannon back in
and John's like no, no, no.

5236
05:30:18,600 --> 05:30:20,100
I did not willingly go to his
house.

5237
05:30:20,100 --> 05:30:22,600
I'm not even gay.
He's like I just thought the

5238
05:30:22,600 --> 05:30:26,900
girl looked hot and I wanted to
see which if she was there and

5239
05:30:26,900 --> 05:30:28,300
so they asked John they're like,
okay.

5240
05:30:28,300 --> 05:30:32,700
So what if he had tried to stop
you and Johnson, it would have

5241
05:30:32,700 --> 05:30:38,200
been like the Civil War He click
yes.

5242
05:30:38,400 --> 05:30:39,800
No, no.
So this is where he says Pearl

5243
05:30:39,800 --> 05:30:41,900
Harbor.
He said it would have been Pearl

5244
05:30:41,900 --> 05:30:47,200
Harbor in that piece, sir.
Indicating that he would have

5245
05:30:47,200 --> 05:30:48,600
fought him.
Okay?

5246
05:30:50,400 --> 05:30:55,400
What a weird thing to say?
Definitely, you know, I would

5247
05:30:55,400 --> 05:31:00,200
have been, like, Pearl Harbor.
They decide to go into a

5248
05:31:00,208 --> 05:31:03,000
database of crimes.
Just pulling people who were

5249
05:31:03,000 --> 05:31:06,500
charged, but never convicted.
And this is where they find

5250
05:31:06,500 --> 05:31:09,900
Ronald's charges and it sounds
very similar to what John

5251
05:31:09,900 --> 05:31:13,700
Banning told them.
They also found there were two

5252
05:31:13,700 --> 05:31:19,700
other cases of sodomy against
Ronald that had been dropped due

5253
05:31:19,700 --> 05:31:22,800
to a lack of corroborating
evidence.

5254
05:31:23,800 --> 05:31:26,000
The police are now.
The police, from those two

5255
05:31:26,000 --> 05:31:30,700
cases, who, talked around were
brought in and they definitely

5256
05:31:30,700 --> 05:31:33,800
remembered him.
It was even though it was like

5257
05:31:34,300 --> 05:31:37,100
the 80s, they've definitely
remembered him and they said

5258
05:31:37,100 --> 05:31:39,900
that he had a serious
persecution complex about being

5259
05:31:39,900 --> 05:31:43,000
gay.
So with all this information,

5260
05:31:43,000 --> 05:31:46,300
Dennis add-on, requested 24-hour
our surveillance team, and they

5261
05:31:46,300 --> 05:31:50,000
get denied.
They're like, that's too much

5262
05:31:50,000 --> 05:31:53,400
and you don't have enough to
make that worthwhile.

5263
05:31:54,800 --> 05:31:59,000
So they put a roadblock up near
the Sugar Bowl hotel since

5264
05:31:59,200 --> 05:32:03,100
multiple victims were found
there and they regularly stop

5265
05:32:03,100 --> 05:32:07,300
and search cars at random.
Now, this does cut off one of

5266
05:32:07,300 --> 05:32:11,600
his hunting sites, but Ronald
had more and the stress of being

5267
05:32:11,600 --> 05:32:15,500
watched by the police, was
stressing him out.

5268
05:32:16,700 --> 05:32:22,200
November 5th, 2005, Nick Pelican
21 years old is working on his

5269
05:32:22,200 --> 05:32:24,600
home when the meter reader
arrives.

5270
05:32:25,900 --> 05:32:30,600
That meter reader is Ronald
Ronald straight up propositions

5271
05:32:30,600 --> 05:32:36,800
him.
And next like I do need the

5272
05:32:36,808 --> 05:32:43,800
money and so he agrees but later
and Ronald picks him up after

5273
05:32:43,800 --> 05:32:45,700
round.
Gets off of work takes him back

5274
05:32:45,700 --> 05:32:48,100
to his trailer.
Ronald would later tell the

5275
05:32:48,100 --> 05:32:53,800
police that because his mom and
sister were down the hall, he

5276
05:32:53,800 --> 05:33:00,700
had to make sure that Nick
wouldn't scream and November

5277
05:33:00,700 --> 05:33:04,200
9th, they discover his remains
in the woods and Lafourche

5278
05:33:04,200 --> 05:33:08,300
Parish, he had been tied.
Up and to add insult to injury.

5279
05:33:08,800 --> 05:33:13,400
He had gambled and gone through
the roadblock with the dead body

5280
05:33:13,400 --> 05:33:15,500
in the back of his car.
Kidding me.

5281
05:33:16,400 --> 05:33:23,800
Ballsy is all get out.
Nick's autopsy came in the word

5282
05:33:23,800 --> 05:33:26,700
laceration, peaked Dennis's
interest.

5283
05:33:26,900 --> 05:33:29,900
He was just like, I feel like
I've been reading that word a

5284
05:33:29,908 --> 05:33:35,000
lot and so he goes through the
cases and realizes that a lot of

5285
05:33:35,008 --> 05:33:37,700
the men had lacerations Options
to their back of their head.

5286
05:33:37,700 --> 05:33:40,900
Meaning, that that was one of
the ways that Ronald was

5287
05:33:40,900 --> 05:33:43,500
subduing, them by just straight,
hitting them in the back of the

5288
05:33:43,500 --> 05:33:45,600
head with something hard.
Tying them up.

5289
05:33:49,700 --> 05:33:54,100
They focus on DNA.
The problem is DNA takes months

5290
05:33:55,000 --> 05:33:57,500
but they do get a positive
match.

5291
05:33:57,500 --> 05:34:01,300
Remember all Ela Banks and how
they said that there were

5292
05:34:01,300 --> 05:34:05,300
Caucasian hairs?
Yes, yes him.

5293
05:34:05,800 --> 05:34:09,600
Yeah, they do a match but the
problem was it was mitochondrial

5294
05:34:09,600 --> 05:34:13,500
DNA, really ideally?
You want what's called nuclear

5295
05:34:13,500 --> 05:34:16,400
DNA, which is, it definitely
belongs to this one person

5296
05:34:16,900 --> 05:34:20,700
mitochondrial DNA matches.
It means that this could be from

5297
05:34:20,700 --> 05:34:23,900
anyone in Ronald's.
Only, it's not the slam dunk.

5298
05:34:23,900 --> 05:34:29,700
You want because DNA was still
very new in court, and that was

5299
05:34:29,700 --> 05:34:33,900
the kind of thing that could
have could get thrown out.

5300
05:34:34,000 --> 05:34:38,200
Okay, okay, well, hold on, hold
on a second.

5301
05:34:38,500 --> 05:34:40,400
You said it could have been
anybody in this family?

5302
05:34:40,400 --> 05:34:43,400
Do you mean like his family or
like his genus family?

5303
05:34:44,100 --> 05:34:48,400
I mean, like his actual brother
and Uncle a father.

5304
05:34:48,400 --> 05:34:51,000
Okay.
Well look, it you are you have

5305
05:34:51,000 --> 05:34:55,600
this guy Who's very suspicious?
Don't you think that you would

5306
05:34:55,600 --> 05:34:57,700
like?
All right okay this is close

5307
05:34:57,700 --> 05:34:59,700
enough to being like him, why
you don't?

5308
05:34:59,700 --> 05:35:06,600
We just like just fucking take.
Well what this did allow for was

5309
05:35:06,600 --> 05:35:11,700
that 24/7 security detail.
They had asked for months ago,

5310
05:35:13,900 --> 05:35:16,400
even get approved for a
helicopter.

5311
05:35:16,400 --> 05:35:18,200
Oh my God.
Take 25.

5312
05:35:18,200 --> 05:35:23,400
Yes to follow him around and
take pictures from They didn't

5313
05:35:23,400 --> 05:35:25,600
even hide that they were
following him.

5314
05:35:27,500 --> 05:35:31,400
So as they're watching him, the
task force creates a timeline

5315
05:35:31,400 --> 05:35:34,600
for all the victims.
And they're trying to see, you

5316
05:35:34,600 --> 05:35:39,600
know, based on like the yearly
taxes, where Ronald is working

5317
05:35:39,600 --> 05:35:43,300
in relationship to where the
victims are picked up and where

5318
05:35:43,300 --> 05:35:48,100
they're dropped off and it's
looking really good, honestly,

5319
05:35:48,400 --> 05:35:51,500
he's, he's always in range of
these people.

5320
05:35:54,800 --> 05:35:57,200
And the task force kind of kept
watching it, like is he going to

5321
05:35:57,200 --> 05:36:01,200
run away?
Is he going to stay, you know,

5322
05:36:01,200 --> 05:36:03,900
summer of 2006.
They get their second DNA hat.

5323
05:36:04,200 --> 05:36:07,900
Angel Mejia that was based on
semen.

5324
05:36:08,700 --> 05:36:15,100
Another mitochondrial match.
They're just at this point,

5325
05:36:15,100 --> 05:36:16,400
they're watching.
They're looking to see if he

5326
05:36:16,400 --> 05:36:20,400
does anything ridiculous.
Well, in October of 2006, he

5327
05:36:20,400 --> 05:36:24,700
slips his police detail and
kills Christopher center field.

5328
05:36:25,900 --> 05:36:28,900
He was 27 years old and just
like Nick also white.

5329
05:36:29,000 --> 05:36:32,600
It was almost like he was
changing his Mo to be like,

5330
05:36:32,600 --> 05:36:35,200
look, see?
That guy was killing black,

5331
05:36:35,200 --> 05:36:38,200
guys.
This new guys killing white,

5332
05:36:38,200 --> 05:36:40,000
guys.
Different God.

5333
05:36:40,100 --> 05:36:43,500
Yeah, no idea.
Guy killer is.

5334
05:36:44,300 --> 05:36:46,400
Yeah, that's totally different.
That's not me.

5335
05:36:46,400 --> 05:36:49,500
What are you talking about?
Well, Christopher went missing

5336
05:36:49,500 --> 05:36:54,600
October 15th and he was found
within hours of his death.

5337
05:36:55,100 --> 05:36:58,700
He was dumped in Iberville
Parish off of Highway 69.

5338
05:36:59,100 --> 05:37:01,700
He was fully clothed, he'd been
tied up and strangled, but they

5339
05:37:01,700 --> 05:37:07,400
were aware that he had been
raped and redressed the Hope was

5340
05:37:07,400 --> 05:37:14,300
that because Ronald had to do
this quickly, He had been he

5341
05:37:14,300 --> 05:37:17,600
hadn't been as Careful Cleaning
off the body and made a mistake.

5342
05:37:17,600 --> 05:37:19,600
So they rushed all the evidence
to the lamp.

5343
05:37:20,600 --> 05:37:22,700
Don was actually in Disneyland
with her daughter.

5344
05:37:22,700 --> 05:37:25,600
When the DNA results came back
from Christopher center field

5345
05:37:25,600 --> 05:37:29,100
and it was not a match.
She says it was a hard trip for

5346
05:37:29,100 --> 05:37:32,500
her and she did her best to have
fun with her daughter but the

5347
05:37:32,500 --> 05:37:37,900
case weighed heavily on her when
she got back from Disney Dawn

5348
05:37:37,900 --> 05:37:43,000
and Dennis sat down and they
really thought hard like Should

5349
05:37:43,000 --> 05:37:46,900
we just bring him in?
Even though the da doesn't think

5350
05:37:46,900 --> 05:37:53,300
we have like perfect evidence.
If we bring him in, we gotta get

5351
05:37:53,300 --> 05:38:03,900
him to just confess because You
know if we charge him and it

5352
05:38:03,900 --> 05:38:07,700
gets you know, and he beats it.
We can't charge him again

5353
05:38:07,700 --> 05:38:10,700
because Double Jeopardy laws.
Yeah, they weren't sure.

5354
05:38:10,700 --> 05:38:13,100
Is he going to clam up in the
interrogation room?

5355
05:38:13,100 --> 05:38:18,000
Is he going to lawyer up?
They're like this is a risk.

5356
05:38:20,600 --> 05:38:23,400
We're going to bring them in,
okay, all right.

5357
05:38:24,500 --> 05:38:29,300
On December 1st is when they
went to Ronald's house.

5358
05:38:29,600 --> 05:38:33,000
Now, interestingly enough, there
was also a media leak and as

5359
05:38:33,000 --> 05:38:36,700
they arrived to pick him up,
there's loads of people outside

5360
05:38:36,700 --> 05:38:41,300
of this trailer.
Ronald sister just lets the

5361
05:38:41,300 --> 05:38:43,900
police into the house points to
his room.

5362
05:38:45,100 --> 05:38:49,900
There's Ronald sitting calmly,
and they're like, we'd like to

5363
05:38:49,900 --> 05:38:54,200
inform you that you are being
arrested for 2 first-degree.

5364
05:38:54,300 --> 05:39:01,900
Three murder charges.
I Lila Banks and Angel Mania, he

5365
05:39:01,900 --> 05:39:06,000
goes with them with no issue.
Back at the station, a decide to

5366
05:39:06,000 --> 05:39:09,200
let Dennis leave because he was
the more experienced detective

5367
05:39:09,200 --> 05:39:13,900
out of the two of them.
He decided the way to do this

5368
05:39:13,900 --> 05:39:19,400
was to Present himself
informally to get, Ronald just

5369
05:39:19,400 --> 05:39:22,000
to chat with him about, you
know, random stuff.

5370
05:39:23,000 --> 05:39:27,400
It's a couple minutes, but
browser talking the agreed to

5371
05:39:27,400 --> 05:39:32,000
speak without a lawyer present
and they got him to sign the

5372
05:39:32,000 --> 05:39:37,400
papers for his Miranda rights
and then they turned on the

5373
05:39:37,400 --> 05:39:41,600
tapes, one of the weirdest Parts
like they're not all available

5374
05:39:41,600 --> 05:39:43,100
but one of the weirdest parts of
will see.

5375
05:39:43,100 --> 05:39:49,000
This is that Ronald smoke and
like this really small voice

5376
05:39:50,000 --> 05:39:54,800
almost deferential to Dennis He
admitted to fooling around with

5377
05:39:54,800 --> 05:39:57,100
Ali that he met him in the
French Quarter.

5378
05:39:57,500 --> 05:40:04,900
He said Ali Approached him for a
good time no discussion of

5379
05:40:04,900 --> 05:40:07,600
money.
He gave them the entire rundown

5380
05:40:07,600 --> 05:40:12,600
of sex with Ali complete with
saying he talked like in such a

5381
05:40:12,600 --> 05:40:16,200
weird way.
Like you know, some of they were

5382
05:40:16,200 --> 05:40:18,500
like oh well what happened then?
He's like well I had my drawers

5383
05:40:18,500 --> 05:40:21,000
down for what God looks like.
It's bringing me.

5384
05:40:21,000 --> 05:40:24,500
It's really bizarre for somebody
who's doing the things that he's

5385
05:40:24,500 --> 05:40:27,800
doing like some of his the way
like the way that he speaks is

5386
05:40:27,800 --> 05:40:35,700
almost childlike, right?
He gives the lie that I talked

5387
05:40:35,700 --> 05:40:39,100
to you about before which is
that you know, he had told Ali

5388
05:40:39,100 --> 05:40:43,400
that he had a surgery after
working offshore and then he got

5389
05:40:43,400 --> 05:40:46,600
an infection in his rectum.
It was the lies were hard for

5390
05:40:46,600 --> 05:40:49,800
him to keep together almost like
and it didn't even make sense

5391
05:40:49,800 --> 05:40:51,900
like at one point.
He said that like he got an

5392
05:40:51,900 --> 05:40:54,600
infection from a prior partner
and that was the first time he

5393
05:40:54,600 --> 05:40:58,500
had ever done anal.
And then he said that, like, the

5394
05:40:58,500 --> 05:41:02,600
infection had been because of a
A buildup of pepper and don't

5395
05:41:02,600 --> 05:41:06,400
ask me what that means because
it doesn't mean anything build

5396
05:41:06,400 --> 05:41:17,400
up, its it is but okay exactly I
kind of know what it's you know

5397
05:41:17,400 --> 05:41:21,800
that people put pepper in a
pepper is a but that seems like

5398
05:41:21,800 --> 05:41:26,800
a weird thing to put in your
body may be effective decided to

5399
05:41:26,800 --> 05:41:28,700
focus on the things they knew
were lies.

5400
05:41:32,500 --> 05:41:35,500
When pressed Ronald and flips
the script and says that Ali

5401
05:41:35,500 --> 05:41:38,200
held him at knifepoint and
demanded money.

5402
05:41:38,500 --> 05:41:40,500
And he says he was going to fuck
me and kill me.

5403
05:41:40,500 --> 05:41:43,200
If I didn't give him no more
money because he had the knife

5404
05:41:43,200 --> 05:41:46,700
by my throat.
Ronald told him, he gave him $20

5405
05:41:46,700 --> 05:41:51,300
and he had have any other money
and that when Ali said didn't

5406
05:41:51,300 --> 05:41:54,600
believe him, he hit him with a
tire iron and then that he used

5407
05:41:54,600 --> 05:41:59,100
the seat belt to strangle him.
Also a lie, he did that by hand.

5408
05:42:00,600 --> 05:42:03,100
He admitted to sitting on top of
him to keep him from moving.

5409
05:42:03,500 --> 05:42:06,800
He recounted this entire story
with virtually.

5410
05:42:06,800 --> 05:42:13,400
No vocal intonation.
It was like he wasn't there at

5411
05:42:13,400 --> 05:42:16,000
all.
But he was talking about

5412
05:42:16,000 --> 05:42:20,000
himself, then he told the then
he told Dawn and Dennis that he

5413
05:42:20,000 --> 05:42:24,000
drove and drove and drove and
then finally went home and sat

5414
05:42:24,000 --> 05:42:29,600
in the bathtub and cried.
And I think this is really

5415
05:42:29,600 --> 05:42:33,800
interesting because they started
to remember.

5416
05:42:33,800 --> 05:42:39,300
They told him that he was being
arrested because of Angel, Mejia

5417
05:42:39,500 --> 05:42:43,100
and Ali.
But they started slipping in

5418
05:42:43,600 --> 05:42:47,000
some of the other victims from
Terrebonne Parish.

5419
05:42:47,200 --> 05:42:49,500
So like what happened with
Manuel read.

5420
05:42:51,400 --> 05:42:53,500
And he starts talking about
Manuel Reed.

5421
05:42:55,400 --> 05:42:57,600
At 1:53, they had to stop and
put the tape.

5422
05:42:57,800 --> 05:42:59,500
He kept telling them.
I don't remember their names.

5423
05:42:59,500 --> 05:43:03,200
I don't remember their names, he
said the same thing that

5424
05:43:03,200 --> 05:43:06,100
happened with Ali happen with
Manuel that he knew about the

5425
05:43:06,100 --> 05:43:09,200
surgery and that he couldn't
have anybody enter him, but that

5426
05:43:09,800 --> 05:43:13,800
Manuel had raped him and that he
had grabbed the tire iron, head

5427
05:43:13,800 --> 05:43:16,200
him and tied him up.
So he couldn't hurt me anymore

5428
05:43:16,900 --> 05:43:20,900
and then he choked him.
That story ended at 7:16 p.m.

5429
05:43:22,000 --> 05:43:25,500
Now unlike I guess real
interrogation rooms that hold

5430
05:43:25,500 --> 05:43:28,500
double-sided glass thing, not
the norm.

5431
05:43:30,400 --> 05:43:36,200
So all the other members of the
task force are just kind of

5432
05:43:36,200 --> 05:43:43,700
standing around the door waiting
as Dennis and Dawn leave the

5433
05:43:43,700 --> 05:43:49,100
interrogation room.
Dennis is like, I think we

5434
05:43:49,100 --> 05:43:51,200
should keep going.
We shouldn't stop for the night,

5435
05:43:53,100 --> 05:43:54,900
they own.
So while they go outside, they

5436
05:43:54,900 --> 05:43:57,700
talked to the crime analysts who
say that Ronald had kept no

5437
05:43:57,700 --> 05:43:59,300
souvenirs and how has this
house?

5438
05:44:01,700 --> 05:44:04,400
That was interesting detail
because a lot of serial killers

5439
05:44:04,400 --> 05:44:06,600
like to remember their kills,
right, right.

5440
05:44:06,900 --> 05:44:09,000
So with this information, they
come back in, that's a little

5441
05:44:09,000 --> 05:44:12,400
different, they're going to talk
to him about all the murders and

5442
05:44:12,400 --> 05:44:17,300
see if he knows things about it.
This time he tells them he had

5443
05:44:17,300 --> 05:44:20,100
been raped, Raped in prison and
that he just wasn't the same

5444
05:44:20,100 --> 05:44:24,000
after that.
Ronald was particularly upset

5445
05:44:24,000 --> 05:44:26,100
that he had ruined his
relationship with his sister who

5446
05:44:26,100 --> 05:44:28,300
he lived with.
He said he hurt her and his

5447
05:44:28,300 --> 05:44:30,300
goddaughter.
And that she was the only one

5448
05:44:30,300 --> 05:44:32,000
who treated him.
Well, because he was gay.

5449
05:44:34,700 --> 05:44:36,800
When they asked him about the
different cases at first, there

5450
05:44:36,800 --> 05:44:39,700
was like a lot of self-pity just
put them on my name.

5451
05:44:40,200 --> 05:44:41,900
So they decide to stop the
interview.

5452
05:44:42,300 --> 05:44:45,200
They were like, we're going to
stop but they didn't stop the

5453
05:44:45,200 --> 05:44:47,600
like we're gonna let you go to
sleep and he's like well I have

5454
05:44:47,600 --> 05:44:49,600
a lot of trouble sleeping since
I had a heart attack.

5455
05:44:49,800 --> 05:44:52,200
He told them, he got stung by a
wasp and that caused his heart

5456
05:44:52,200 --> 05:44:55,500
attack.
Which made about as much sense

5457
05:44:55,500 --> 05:44:59,800
as the black pepper.
Build up / gay sex, that caused

5458
05:44:59,800 --> 05:45:01,700
the bacterial infection in his
rectum.

5459
05:45:01,700 --> 05:45:05,800
All right, They're like, we're
going to leave.

5460
05:45:07,600 --> 05:45:10,000
But first, can you talk about?
Like what happened, all the

5461
05:45:10,000 --> 05:45:12,900
stuff for the guys, you came to
your apartment and he's just

5462
05:45:12,900 --> 05:45:15,600
like, listen, I would just throw
it away, like, I just throw it

5463
05:45:15,600 --> 05:45:17,800
away.
He inadvertently.

5464
05:45:17,800 --> 05:45:21,100
Lets it slip that he does dump a
body at the storage center, and

5465
05:45:21,100 --> 05:45:23,500
then he clammed up and was like,
it's all the same, it's the same

5466
05:45:23,500 --> 05:45:26,800
with all the rest of them.
There were a lot of, I don't

5467
05:45:26,800 --> 05:45:29,700
remember, I don't remember.
And I'm partially.

5468
05:45:29,700 --> 05:45:32,600
I do believe him because Rodney
wasn't like Alcala who needed

5469
05:45:32,600 --> 05:45:36,000
his photos.
Or Ridgeway who almost coveted,

5470
05:45:36,000 --> 05:45:39,100
the remains of his victims.
I think that he might not have

5471
05:45:39,100 --> 05:45:43,900
remembered all the names, but he
damn sure remembered all the

5472
05:45:43,900 --> 05:45:48,400
places and you're going to find
out why the following day.

5473
05:45:48,400 --> 05:45:52,500
But there's a thing was he
didn't care about their names or

5474
05:45:52,500 --> 05:45:55,100
who there were or how he got
them to their house, the moment

5475
05:45:55,100 --> 05:45:58,600
of sexual satisfaction for him
came from the murder.

5476
05:45:59,600 --> 05:46:04,200
And then once the person was
dead, it was like all the

5477
05:46:04,208 --> 05:46:07,100
excitement's over.
I just have to get rid of them.

5478
05:46:07,100 --> 05:46:10,700
Disposer sure he tried to be
careful but he didn't intend to

5479
05:46:10,700 --> 05:46:13,600
go back or anything.
That first things here, gatien

5480
05:46:13,600 --> 05:46:16,200
lasted until 1129.
That first night.

5481
05:46:16,400 --> 05:46:21,500
They finally let him go to bed
and then Dawn and Dennis did not

5482
05:46:21,500 --> 05:46:24,300
go to bed.
They went to the Terrebonne.

5483
05:46:24,300 --> 05:46:28,400
Parish da with the tapes from
the hours before and they're

5484
05:46:28,400 --> 05:46:30,500
like, he's confessed to Aid
already.

5485
05:46:31,200 --> 05:46:34,700
We got him on these tapes,
confessing to 8 with information

5486
05:46:34,700 --> 05:46:36,900
that he would only know if he
had been the one who dumped the

5487
05:46:36,900 --> 05:46:40,400
body.
And so the DA's like I mean

5488
05:46:40,400 --> 05:46:43,300
that's incredible.
Do you like what do you want me

5489
05:46:43,300 --> 05:46:49,000
to do?
And Don and Dennis said, we want

5490
05:46:49,000 --> 05:46:50,100
all of them.
M.

5491
05:46:51,600 --> 05:46:55,200
And we're worried that if you
come in and let him know you're

5492
05:46:55,200 --> 05:46:58,800
seeking the death penalty, he's
going to stop talking, he's

5493
05:46:58,800 --> 05:47:03,400
going to lawyer up, can you?
Wait just a couple more days, so

5494
05:47:03,400 --> 05:47:05,100
we can get everything we can out
of him?

5495
05:47:05,600 --> 05:47:07,800
The three of them talk really
long into the morning.

5496
05:47:07,800 --> 05:47:12,400
But by the end, the decision was
the da.

5497
05:47:13,000 --> 05:47:14,300
How about we?
Give them a deal.

5498
05:47:15,600 --> 05:47:19,600
He takes you to all 23, dump
sites and I won't pursue the

5499
05:47:19,600 --> 05:47:23,300
death penalty.
While killing him and putting

5500
05:47:23,300 --> 05:47:25,700
him on death row, with feel
Justified for the things he's

5501
05:47:25,700 --> 05:47:28,900
done.
If we get him to admit to

5502
05:47:28,900 --> 05:47:32,900
everybody, then at least the
families of the victims have

5503
05:47:32,900 --> 05:47:36,000
achieved, some kind of
resolution, right, right.

5504
05:47:36,700 --> 05:47:38,900
December 2nd.
They pull him out of his cell in

5505
05:47:38,900 --> 05:47:41,700
the morning and present him with
the option.

5506
05:47:42,800 --> 05:47:49,800
He agrees immediately And then
takes Dennis and Dawn in the car

5507
05:47:50,800 --> 05:47:54,500
on a very bizarre road trip,
across Southern Louisiana and

5508
05:47:55,000 --> 05:47:57,700
it's not just the three of them
there in one car.

5509
05:47:57,900 --> 05:48:03,700
There's an entire Caravan of
other, like, police in regular

5510
05:48:03,700 --> 05:48:06,400
cars.
Just in case he tries to like

5511
05:48:06,400 --> 05:48:08,000
Escape in the middle of the
woods.

5512
05:48:08,100 --> 05:48:08,900
Right.
Right.

5513
05:48:08,900 --> 05:48:12,700
Yeah.
Maybe we're not letting anything

5514
05:48:12,700 --> 05:48:16,100
go by even the night before they
had him on a full suicide watch.

5515
05:48:16,200 --> 05:48:18,500
Ouch because he kept saying
things like I just want to go to

5516
05:48:18,500 --> 05:48:21,500
sleep and never wake up, it was
very dramatic.

5517
05:48:22,900 --> 05:48:28,600
Okay.
The the way that Don describes

5518
05:48:28,600 --> 05:48:33,000
it is that he might have played
innocent in the the

5519
05:48:33,000 --> 05:48:36,400
interrogation room.
But he knew every dumpsite and

5520
05:48:36,400 --> 05:48:38,600
he remembered like what the
person look like?

5521
05:48:39,600 --> 05:48:43,000
He was able to tell them and
show them the specific spots.

5522
05:48:43,900 --> 05:48:46,600
And she said one thing was the
same the entire time he was

5523
05:48:46,600 --> 05:48:50,100
emotionless.
He knew exactly how he dumped

5524
05:48:50,100 --> 05:48:52,200
them or posed them for the
police.

5525
05:48:53,900 --> 05:48:56,700
When they got back to Terrebonne
Parish Sheriff office, there was

5526
05:48:56,700 --> 05:49:00,700
still a lot of work to do.
Dawn and Dennis took Ronald back

5527
05:49:00,700 --> 05:49:03,000
to interrogation to clear up
some inconsistencies from the

5528
05:49:03,000 --> 05:49:06,000
night before and they were
pretty much like, you know, what

5529
05:49:06,000 --> 05:49:07,800
Ronald, what do you want to talk
about today?

5530
05:49:08,700 --> 05:49:10,500
And that kind of let loose The
Floodgate.

5531
05:49:10,600 --> 05:49:13,100
Mmm.
He's like, I'm not a bad person

5532
05:49:13,100 --> 05:49:16,100
and he's like, I got molested as
a child, two different times and

5533
05:49:16,100 --> 05:49:19,300
harassed and bullied by
everybody, I knew I was falsely

5534
05:49:19,300 --> 05:49:23,300
accused of rape when I hadn't
done it which is true, not for

5535
05:49:23,300 --> 05:49:26,200
lack of trying but he didn't
actually rape that guy.

5536
05:49:27,400 --> 05:49:29,800
He just threatened.
Into.

5537
05:49:31,500 --> 05:49:35,000
Well, he was abused in prison
and released.

5538
05:49:35,000 --> 05:49:38,400
And maybe I killed a few guys
that I took my anger out on them

5539
05:49:38,400 --> 05:49:40,700
and it sounds like it.
He's like, maybe I should have

5540
05:49:40,700 --> 05:49:43,000
gotten help.
I'm really sorry.

5541
05:49:44,500 --> 05:49:47,500
And they asked why he was so
angry and Ronald said that he

5542
05:49:47,500 --> 05:49:51,800
was angry, because at everyone
who had ever called him, the F

5543
05:49:51,800 --> 05:49:57,700
slur or queer, even his family.
Eventually he admitted the truth

5544
05:49:57,700 --> 05:50:01,100
that his victims hadn't tried to
hurt him or extort him or rape

5545
05:50:01,100 --> 05:50:03,900
him.
He said that he knew that he had

5546
05:50:03,900 --> 05:50:06,700
picked up at least seven
straight men with the ruse of

5547
05:50:06,700 --> 05:50:09,200
saying that he could have sex
with the girl in the photo.

5548
05:50:10,400 --> 05:50:14,600
He admitted on tape that he
raped all of them and that they

5549
05:50:14,600 --> 05:50:17,600
were alive when he did it and
then he strangled them.

5550
05:50:18,400 --> 05:50:22,300
So that confirmed.
Even the ones they didn't have

5551
05:50:22,300 --> 05:50:26,000
forensic evidence on because the
bodies were so decomposed.

5552
05:50:26,000 --> 05:50:28,600
Right.
He said that the last couple

5553
05:50:28,600 --> 05:50:31,700
ones he had taken a towel from
the bathroom and shoved it in

5554
05:50:31,700 --> 05:50:33,400
their mouth so they wouldn't
scream.

5555
05:50:35,400 --> 05:50:37,500
He said there were actually a
lot more people like John

5556
05:50:37,500 --> 05:50:42,500
Banning.
Who just got there and decided

5557
05:50:42,500 --> 05:50:47,600
they weren't interested in left.
He said he was sorry and he

5558
05:50:47,600 --> 05:50:53,200
wanted everyone to forgive him.
That interview ended at 2:53

5559
05:50:53,200 --> 05:50:54,900
a.m.
December 3rd.

5560
05:50:56,000 --> 05:50:58,100
Okay.
The rest of the story is pretty

5561
05:50:58,100 --> 05:51:01,200
simple.
The plea bargain was accepted by

5562
05:51:01,200 --> 05:51:04,400
the court on September 24th.
2008 about a year and a half

5563
05:51:04,400 --> 05:51:07,500
later, 30 relatives of Ronald's
victims, were there in the

5564
05:51:07,500 --> 05:51:11,300
courtroom, some of them spoke at
the sentencing Kurt's, brother,

5565
05:51:11,300 --> 05:51:15,400
Chris Cunningham, On stance that
I hope he burns in Hell pretty

5566
05:51:15,400 --> 05:51:17,700
much.
I hope the man burns in hell.

5567
05:51:17,700 --> 05:51:21,100
I'm sure he will and Ronald
refused to look at him.

5568
05:51:21,400 --> 05:51:23,000
He actually refused to look at
any of them.

5569
05:51:23,200 --> 05:51:27,600
The pictures from that day, he's
in like a white type of almost

5570
05:51:27,600 --> 05:51:30,700
like a straitjacket and he's
like his head is like down the

5571
05:51:30,700 --> 05:51:36,700
entire time and Chris said I'll
miss him till the day I die.

5572
05:51:36,900 --> 05:51:39,500
And then he started crying on
the stand and he said, I hope

5573
05:51:39,500 --> 05:51:44,500
he'll find you fast.
Chris De Ville sister, Cynthia

5574
05:51:44,500 --> 05:51:48,000
Berra been remind the court that
Ronald left her brother and a

5575
05:51:48,008 --> 05:51:50,100
cane field to be eaten by
rodents.

5576
05:51:50,800 --> 05:51:54,600
Her direct quote was when we
found him, he was nothing, he

5577
05:51:54,600 --> 05:52:01,100
was nothing but bones, nothing
we had to bury bones, Angela

5578
05:52:01,100 --> 05:52:04,800
Smith, Wayne Smith's mother, the
youngest victim wrote a letter

5579
05:52:04,800 --> 05:52:07,400
to the court.
Just discussing the fact that

5580
05:52:07,400 --> 05:52:10,300
had been years since she hadn't
seen her child.

5581
05:52:10,300 --> 05:52:13,600
And that Her direct words where
I put something in the ground

5582
05:52:13,600 --> 05:52:16,800
but I don't really know if it's
my child or not because I never

5583
05:52:16,800 --> 05:52:23,300
got to a chance to see my baby.
That's because Decomposition and

5584
05:52:23,300 --> 05:52:25,400
things of that nature, right?
Right.

5585
05:52:25,700 --> 05:52:31,100
God, the judge actually gave Ron
the chance to speak to the

5586
05:52:31,100 --> 05:52:33,600
court.
He declined, of course, of

5587
05:52:33,600 --> 05:52:36,500
course, of course and then judge
Randy bath.

5588
05:52:36,500 --> 05:52:40,400
The court sentenced him to eat
consecutive life sentences for

5589
05:52:40,400 --> 05:52:43,200
folks who don't understand a
natural life sentence in the

5590
05:52:43,200 --> 05:52:46,800
u.s. you become eligible for
parole after about 30 years.

5591
05:52:48,200 --> 05:52:51,100
And so that's the reason why we
do things like consecutive life

5592
05:52:51,100 --> 05:52:55,400
sentences when We sentence
people like around Dominique me,

5593
05:52:55,400 --> 05:52:59,500
even if he got parole on every
single case, he's minimum amount

5594
05:52:59,500 --> 05:53:00,700
of time you have to do in
prison.

5595
05:53:00,700 --> 05:53:05,000
It's 240 years.
And that is just for the eight

5596
05:53:05,000 --> 05:53:08,500
murders in Terrebonne.
Parish the others didn't receive

5597
05:53:08,500 --> 05:53:10,800
a trial because it would have
been redundant.

5598
05:53:11,100 --> 05:53:14,800
But Ronald Dominique is listed
as the murderer for all 23 of

5599
05:53:14,800 --> 05:53:18,000
his victims who are David
Mitchell Garry pierre-pierre.

5600
05:53:18,100 --> 05:53:22,400
Larry Ranson, Oliver Ali, Le
Banks Joseph Brown, Bruce

5601
05:53:22,400 --> 05:53:25,000
Williams Manuel read Angel
Mejia.

5602
05:53:25,300 --> 05:53:28,200
Mitchell Johnson, Mitchell
Vincent, Kenneth Randolph,

5603
05:53:28,400 --> 05:53:31,900
Randolph, jr.
Anoka Jones, de trial, Woods

5604
05:53:32,100 --> 05:53:36,000
Mary Matthews. we'll burn that
we all know ready August

5605
05:53:36,000 --> 05:53:40,500
Watkins, Kurt hunting ham
Alonzo, Hogan Wayne Smith Krista

5606
05:53:40,500 --> 05:53:45,400
Ville, Nicholas, pelegrin and
Christopher Satterfield And as

5607
05:53:45,400 --> 05:53:48,900
for the rest of the people, in
our story Reynolds family wants

5608
05:53:48,900 --> 05:53:53,500
nothing to do with him.
His sister spoke at no point to

5609
05:53:53,500 --> 05:53:58,600
any media outlets at any time,
which is why I think it's very

5610
05:53:58,600 --> 05:54:03,500
difficult to get a full family
like history for him.

5611
05:54:03,500 --> 05:54:05,400
Right?
You think you said like in the

5612
05:54:05,400 --> 05:54:08,100
beginning that like you can find
like a lot of his family

5613
05:54:08,100 --> 05:54:10,100
members.
They probably did not want to be

5614
05:54:10,100 --> 05:54:13,000
found or they just did not.
Yeah.

5615
05:54:15,200 --> 05:54:19,800
I'm pretty sure I could have
done like a census and looked up

5616
05:54:20,400 --> 05:54:25,900
who lived at the house on baby
blue Road in 2004.

5617
05:54:25,900 --> 05:54:28,100
But ultimately these people
didn't want to be known.

5618
05:54:28,500 --> 05:54:32,000
And honestly a lot of times
after these cases, people change

5619
05:54:32,000 --> 05:54:37,100
their names.
And so, why would I go that far

5620
05:54:37,500 --> 05:54:41,100
to find and name?
The people who have gone out of

5621
05:54:41,100 --> 05:54:44,300
their way to try and have some
semblance of normalcy?

5622
05:54:44,300 --> 05:54:46,700
After their family member did,
horrible things?

5623
05:54:48,000 --> 05:54:49,500
Right.
Yeah, yeah.

5624
05:54:50,100 --> 05:54:54,100
As for Dennis Thornton and Don
Burger on now for a after her

5625
05:54:54,100 --> 05:54:57,100
marriage, they were both
promoted to detective captains

5626
05:54:57,100 --> 05:55:01,300
and their respective cities.
Don kept a photo of herself

5627
05:55:01,300 --> 05:55:04,300
Dennis and the rest of the task
force framed on her desk for

5628
05:55:04,300 --> 05:55:10,300
years, The main cities affected
by this case like boat, and how

5629
05:55:10,300 --> 05:55:13,500
Mama those people went back to
living our lives.

5630
05:55:14,900 --> 05:55:19,400
This conviction, got very little
press even though there is.

5631
05:55:19,600 --> 05:55:22,900
I mean, it is exceptional that
Don and Dennis talk to a man,

5632
05:55:22,900 --> 05:55:26,800
who'd been killing 49 years into
confessing absolutely everything

5633
05:55:26,800 --> 05:55:32,500
in under 48 hours, right?
Is Kris, as for Ronald, he's

5634
05:55:32,500 --> 05:55:35,600
currently 58 years old and he is
in the general population.

5635
05:55:35,700 --> 05:55:38,700
At Louisiana State president
Angola where he will be for the

5636
05:55:38,700 --> 05:55:41,400
rest of his life, okay.
And it's very interesting.

5637
05:55:41,700 --> 05:55:44,400
This case reminds me of that
like really famous quote from

5638
05:55:44,400 --> 05:55:45,500
t.s.
Eliot.

5639
05:55:46,400 --> 05:55:48,500
You probably know.
It's from Holloman, it says like

5640
05:55:48,500 --> 05:55:51,300
this is the way the world ends
not with a bang but a whimper.

5641
05:55:51,400 --> 05:55:54,600
Hey, yes, that's how I feel.
This case ended.

5642
05:55:55,700 --> 05:55:58,900
Not with like a big dramatic
moment but it was just like a

5643
05:55:58,908 --> 05:56:01,100
whimper.
Yeah, not really tracks for

5644
05:56:01,100 --> 05:56:03,500
serial killers.
It just went out like if it

5645
05:56:03,500 --> 05:56:06,500
petered out like yeah, they're
all cowards.

5646
05:56:06,600 --> 05:56:08,800
Yep.
And that's what I got for you

5647
05:56:08,800 --> 05:56:10,400
today.
Oh god.

5648
05:56:11,600 --> 05:56:19,200
Well, great storytelling.
That's all.

5649
05:56:19,700 --> 05:56:21,500
That's what you say about your
stories.

5650
05:56:21,500 --> 05:56:26,400
Okay there's no funny.
Things I can't like I mean

5651
05:56:26,500 --> 05:56:32,000
obviously it's funny moments but
you know, great as always not

5652
05:56:32,000 --> 05:56:34,200
super funny.
No, no clay.

5653
05:56:34,200 --> 05:56:43,000
So he's just what it is.
Yeah, is just God, you know, the

5654
05:56:43,000 --> 05:56:45,400
one thing that like that they
got to me is like they just

5655
05:56:45,400 --> 05:56:48,000
searched in at one single area
that they thought he was going

5656
05:56:48,000 --> 05:56:51,500
to be in like serial killers.
They don't stay in one area.

5657
05:56:51,900 --> 05:57:00,300
Well, the thing is, um,
sometimes he did, you know, He

5658
05:57:00,400 --> 05:57:04,100
this is somebody who I think was
probably well, versed in serial

5659
05:57:04,100 --> 05:57:05,700
killer stuff.
Hmm.

5660
05:57:06,400 --> 05:57:09,100
He was, he was making certain
moves, he was going certain

5661
05:57:09,100 --> 05:57:12,500
places.
He was even once he moved to a

5662
05:57:12,508 --> 05:57:17,800
new town, he still killed within
the set and within his town.

5663
05:57:17,800 --> 05:57:20,700
Like personally, that's what I
think is the worst part?

5664
05:57:21,200 --> 05:57:23,100
Is that wrong of me?
Staying here Town.

5665
05:57:23,900 --> 05:57:28,900
Yeah, I feel like don't kill
anybody anywhere near.

5666
05:57:29,100 --> 05:57:34,300
Where were you living your home?
Yeah, I mean but you would think

5667
05:57:34,300 --> 05:57:37,000
that'll make it easier for
people to find out who it was

5668
05:57:37,000 --> 05:57:39,700
two then.
But sometimes it is,

5669
05:57:40,900 --> 05:57:46,100
unfortunately, policing is
always changing always evolving.

5670
05:57:48,600 --> 05:57:51,900
I mean we've talked about cases
dating back to the what?

5671
05:57:51,900 --> 05:57:53,800
Almost 1,800 my God.
Yes.

5672
05:57:54,400 --> 05:57:57,300
Madame lalaurie was able to
escape.

5673
05:57:58,600 --> 05:58:00,700
Pretty easily.
She hopped on a boat.

5674
05:58:00,700 --> 05:58:02,700
Never came back to America.
It's true.

5675
05:58:03,900 --> 05:58:09,200
It's true, you know, so I mean
now people get extradited from

5676
05:58:09,200 --> 05:58:10,800
other countries and they do
horrible things.

5677
05:58:10,800 --> 05:58:12,900
So you know, things have changed
things are better.

5678
05:58:13,900 --> 05:58:16,300
Unfortunately, there's like
hundreds of thousands of

5679
05:58:16,300 --> 05:58:19,400
homicides that has never been
solved in America.

5680
05:58:21,500 --> 05:58:24,900
It's a lot.
So at least, you know, we

5681
05:58:24,900 --> 05:58:28,600
celebrate When they get it
right.

5682
05:58:28,600 --> 05:58:30,900
There you go.
Yes, yes, we do.

5683
05:58:33,400 --> 05:58:40,700
Okay, well, we had another water
Cryptids today for everybody who

5684
05:58:40,700 --> 05:58:44,000
likes to order Cryptids.
Yay, I actually do like the

5685
05:58:44,000 --> 05:58:46,700
water Cryptids, the best kind of
mermaids, count, don't they?

5686
05:58:46,700 --> 05:58:49,900
Yeah, they do.
Yes.

5687
05:58:49,900 --> 05:58:52,000
Yes, he do.
Not summer mr.

5688
05:58:52,000 --> 05:58:56,300
Day.
No, this is one that's been

5689
05:58:56,300 --> 05:59:00,900
known to be the bane of many,
see bearing folks in Vikings of

5690
05:59:00,900 --> 05:59:04,200
like one.
That's sick and countless ships

5691
05:59:04,400 --> 05:59:10,400
and taken many lives.
Yeah, you've heard his name

5692
05:59:10,600 --> 05:59:15,400
being Cried by a certain God.
That it needs to be released.

5693
05:59:16,400 --> 05:59:19,300
That's right.
We're talking about releasing

5694
05:59:19,300 --> 05:59:25,600
the Kraken today.
Also, just a side note, the

5695
05:59:25,600 --> 05:59:30,400
Kraken is from Norse mythology,
not Greek mythology, if anybody

5696
05:59:30,900 --> 05:59:37,200
who's seen a clash Clash of the
Titans, and it got confused and

5697
05:59:37,200 --> 05:59:40,100
saw a giant ice cracking and
they keep saying release the

5698
05:59:40,100 --> 05:59:41,700
Kraken it.
Okay.

5699
05:59:41,700 --> 05:59:45,200
So it's not a, it's not a Greek
thing, it's a North's thing.

5700
05:59:45,300 --> 05:59:47,400
I don't know why.
The people who made the damn

5701
05:59:47,400 --> 05:59:49,000
movie, they suck.
Okay.

5702
05:59:49,500 --> 05:59:52,400
They did a lot of stuff that
wasn't like me.

5703
05:59:52,400 --> 05:59:55,000
How you make a movie called
Clash of the Titans.

5704
05:59:55,100 --> 05:59:57,000
You don't have Titans in it.
You just have one.

5705
05:59:57,000 --> 05:59:59,200
Okay?
To tighten, I guess they said,

5706
05:59:59,200 --> 06:00:00,600
what's the Titan was the
cracker?

5707
06:00:00,600 --> 06:00:03,100
But the cracking doesn't belong
in there is not a damn Titan.

5708
06:00:03,400 --> 06:00:10,400
Anyway.
Before I go off, About stupid,

5709
06:00:10,400 --> 06:00:13,400
Greek mythology, in Norse
mythology, which is a stupid.

5710
06:00:13,400 --> 06:00:16,100
But you know, whatever, we're
going.

5711
06:00:16,100 --> 06:00:17,500
We're going to talk about the
krakken.

5712
06:00:17,500 --> 06:00:21,200
Okay, we'll talk about the
Kraken before I go burst a blood

5713
06:00:21,200 --> 06:00:23,900
vessel in my eyeball because
this pisses me off.

5714
06:00:29,400 --> 06:00:37,100
So our first description of the
Kraken is from I think it's

5715
06:00:37,400 --> 06:00:41,300
early.
Early 13th century, maybe 1100s.

5716
06:00:42,800 --> 06:00:46,200
It's from an Icelandic.
Legendary tale.

5717
06:00:46,900 --> 06:00:52,800
And I looked up pronunciations,
I cannot pronounce this word,

5718
06:00:52,900 --> 06:00:56,300
but I found translations for,
what does word means and it's

5719
06:00:56,300 --> 06:01:03,300
basically, it's arrows, odd, or
arrows point.

5720
06:01:03,300 --> 06:01:08,400
And it's basically about some,
you know, it's if you ever Like

5721
06:01:08,400 --> 06:01:12,800
the Odyssey or Iliad.
Yes.

5722
06:01:13,000 --> 06:01:15,600
Like it's like a, you know, a
legendary tell like that.

5723
06:01:15,600 --> 06:01:20,500
Like, you know, how old is he is
was on his way home from being

5724
06:01:20,500 --> 06:01:22,800
stranded from the Trojan War and
shit like that.

5725
06:01:25,200 --> 06:01:30,100
So, I tried to look it up.
Okay, guys, don't yell at me.

5726
06:01:30,200 --> 06:01:33,800
I'm sorry it.
When I looked it up and it gave

5727
06:01:33,800 --> 06:01:36,700
me two pronunciation, it gave me
two different versions of it

5728
06:01:36,700 --> 06:01:45,300
which is really weird anyway,
like I said it's a hero saga and

5729
06:01:45,800 --> 06:01:51,600
in this, in this book or The
Saga, they it's not called the

5730
06:01:51,600 --> 06:02:00,400
Kraken, but is called a A half
golfer. which by its description

5731
06:02:01,000 --> 06:02:06,300
doesn't sound very cracking
like, but if you if you look it

5732
06:02:06,300 --> 06:02:12,800
up, basically, it's supposed to
be like a monster bigger than a

5733
06:02:12,808 --> 06:02:21,900
whale or a will size monster
that Took down ships, it

5734
06:02:21,908 --> 06:02:26,400
destroyed ships.
I mean there's history of whales

5735
06:02:26,400 --> 06:02:31,400
causing Carnage.
Oh gosh.

5736
06:02:31,400 --> 06:02:35,100
You were those guys there's this
one group of.

5737
06:02:35,400 --> 06:02:41,900
I don't even call them Pirates
but they they hunted whales.

5738
06:02:41,900 --> 06:02:44,800
Hmm.
And they also nearly killed all

5739
06:02:44,800 --> 06:02:48,400
of the turtles own on there,
they'll look up Galapagos

5740
06:02:48,400 --> 06:02:50,700
Global.
So, like, we don't really care

5741
06:02:50,700 --> 06:02:51,900
about these people.
No.

5742
06:02:52,400 --> 06:02:57,300
So if they absolutely back then
these whales, I guess realize

5743
06:02:57,300 --> 06:03:01,300
they were being hunted and they
Straight up started just like

5744
06:03:01,500 --> 06:03:05,400
ramming the ship.
So they are a fairly intelligent

5745
06:03:05,400 --> 06:03:10,600
species of creature and nice if
you attack us.

5746
06:03:10,600 --> 06:03:14,400
I mean see that that least to me
thinking like if Wills did you

5747
06:03:14,400 --> 06:03:17,500
just attack this one ship that
was attacking them or do they

5748
06:03:17,500 --> 06:03:19,700
attack like a lot of ships at
that time.

5749
06:03:20,400 --> 06:03:26,300
The in the story that I remember
Well, never mind.

5750
06:03:26,500 --> 06:03:31,500
So a pot of orchids attacked a
boat in April of 2021.

5751
06:03:31,600 --> 06:03:33,700
No damn worker suck.
Never mind.

5752
06:03:34,200 --> 06:03:36,400
They make because are
technically dolphins.

5753
06:03:36,600 --> 06:03:39,300
And dolphins are the humans of
the ocean, okay?

5754
06:03:39,300 --> 06:03:45,200
See these talk about dirty.
Attacked a yacht.

5755
06:03:45,900 --> 06:03:47,900
What were y'all doing to the?
That's not true.

5756
06:03:47,900 --> 06:03:50,400
The orcas are dolphins and
dolphins are a menace to the

5757
06:03:50,400 --> 06:03:51,400
ocean.
They really, okay.

5758
06:03:51,800 --> 06:03:53,800
I'm not going to say because
whales aren't I think?

5759
06:03:53,900 --> 06:03:57,100
In that situation the wheels
were just fighting back.

5760
06:03:57,600 --> 06:04:00,800
Okay, that makes sense.
The old one like Way Way Back.

5761
06:04:00,800 --> 06:04:03,500
Yeah.
The most recent I got to look

5762
06:04:03,500 --> 06:04:10,000
into that case with all the 30
orcas attacking my God taking a

5763
06:04:10,000 --> 06:04:12,300
yacht.
Okay here we go.

5764
06:04:16,000 --> 06:04:19,800
I think because I think it was
the The ship was called the

5765
06:04:19,800 --> 06:04:23,000
Essex and that inspired Moby
Dick.

5766
06:04:24,300 --> 06:04:31,500
That one is that that that ship
was attacked by just a whale by

5767
06:04:31,700 --> 06:04:36,500
multiple Wheels multiple Hills,
but they were hunting them.

5768
06:04:36,500 --> 06:04:39,300
Okay.
Well, see the Essex was an

5769
06:04:39,300 --> 06:04:43,500
American wheeler from Nantucket
Massachusetts, lost in 1799 and

5770
06:04:43,500 --> 06:04:45,200
1820.
While at Sea in the South

5771
06:04:45,200 --> 06:04:48,400
Pacific ocean under the command
of Captain George Pollard, she

5772
06:04:48,600 --> 06:04:50,600
Attacked and sunk by a sperm
whale.

5773
06:04:52,100 --> 06:04:54,800
Yep, I remember this story
because there's a really funny

5774
06:04:55,200 --> 06:04:59,700
animation on YouTube about it.
I'm just like, so it's fairly

5775
06:04:59,700 --> 06:05:03,700
plausible that I mean a book was
based off of that attack.

5776
06:05:03,700 --> 06:05:06,200
So there could be other lure
based off of stuff like that.

5777
06:05:06,300 --> 06:05:09,500
Yeah.
Like because I remember like a

5778
06:05:09,500 --> 06:05:12,300
couple only a couple people
survived and then they also ate

5779
06:05:12,300 --> 06:05:14,300
people.
It was a crazy story.

5780
06:05:16,300 --> 06:05:22,200
Yeah.
But there's definitely like real

5781
06:05:22,200 --> 06:05:25,600
history to support the concept
of what my question is.

5782
06:05:25,600 --> 06:05:28,800
Why would you think a whale?
Because the Kraken has

5783
06:05:29,100 --> 06:05:30,600
tentacles?
Okay.

5784
06:05:30,600 --> 06:05:39,500
Yes, but this thing I apparently
behalf gopher It was a guess

5785
06:05:39,500 --> 06:05:42,800
who's either the size of the
wheel, or either way, it had

5786
06:05:43,200 --> 06:05:46,400
like, multi arms as well
multiple arms.

5787
06:05:46,600 --> 06:05:53,300
So that's probably why it's
referred like it's thought of as

5788
06:05:53,300 --> 06:05:56,600
being like an early depiction of
a crack into just because of her

5789
06:05:56,600 --> 06:05:58,700
know that the most people did
use.

5790
06:05:58,700 --> 06:06:09,900
Did you hear that?
Some of the reports okay to what

5791
06:06:11,700 --> 06:06:18,500
that's a mean.
And a meme says that when whales

5792
06:06:18,500 --> 06:06:21,400
mate oh no, OK.
Yes.

5793
06:06:21,400 --> 06:06:22,900
I've seen them.
Okay.

5794
06:06:24,600 --> 06:06:29,800
And that the thing that people
were reporting was a monster.

5795
06:06:29,900 --> 06:06:31,800
A dork.
The whales.

5796
06:06:32,200 --> 06:06:33,800
Penis.
Yeah, the Dork.

5797
06:06:34,700 --> 06:06:39,000
Yes, the shadow of it looks a
lot like Nessie.

5798
06:06:39,000 --> 06:06:40,600
That's all I'm saying.
Okay.

5799
06:06:40,600 --> 06:06:43,900
Well first of all what would a
will be doing in Loch Ness?

5800
06:06:44,200 --> 06:06:47,100
Okay, there have been other
reports of creatures that look a

5801
06:06:47,108 --> 06:06:51,900
lot like nasty and I'm saying
that whales could be the culprit

5802
06:06:52,300 --> 06:06:56,100
I guess.
Yeah, I saw that the other day I

5803
06:06:56,100 --> 06:06:58,400
was like, oh my God, stop guys,
stop.

5804
06:06:59,000 --> 06:07:00,600
I mean, but it's totally
plausible.

5805
06:07:00,600 --> 06:07:05,100
I mean, do we ever know what the
real thing was for Sirens?

5806
06:07:05,600 --> 06:07:08,100
Like what was really Lauren
those people to the death?

5807
06:07:08,200 --> 06:07:11,300
I heard that is because
old-timey Sailors, tried to have

5808
06:07:11,300 --> 06:07:13,800
sex with dolphins, but I don't
know if that's real or not

5809
06:07:13,800 --> 06:07:19,200
Dolphins manatees, you know,
manatees the sweetest baby.

5810
06:07:19,200 --> 06:07:21,600
So the ocean, they look like
mermaids, right?

5811
06:07:21,600 --> 06:07:23,400
If people confuse me issues are
mermaids.

5812
06:07:23,800 --> 06:07:31,500
They look like Walruses without
the test, maybe I'm so offended.

5813
06:07:31,500 --> 06:07:35,000
They're like, one of my favorite
animals and all I want to do is

5814
06:07:35,000 --> 06:07:38,600
go down to the manatee.
Preserve in Florida and feed

5815
06:07:38,600 --> 06:07:41,100
them.
They look like kill sleep

5816
06:07:41,100 --> 06:07:42,400
potatoes.
Yeah.

5817
06:07:42,400 --> 06:07:44,800
Could you try and have sex with
them people?

5818
06:07:45,200 --> 06:07:48,700
I mean, look man.
Things with penises.

5819
06:07:49,500 --> 06:07:51,400
They like to stick it into
whatever they can.

5820
06:07:51,400 --> 06:07:52,600
I don't know.
Whatever.

5821
06:07:53,000 --> 06:07:55,500
Oh, that's right.
Anyway, let's continue.

5822
06:07:58,100 --> 06:08:03,200
Yes.
Poor baby manatees.

5823
06:08:05,000 --> 06:08:11,000
So, anyone unaware of what this
B's looks like, the Kraken is

5824
06:08:11,000 --> 06:08:16,100
described as a multi-armed sea
monster larger did a whale.

5825
06:08:17,400 --> 06:08:20,200
Now, what does, what the
multi-armed description when

5826
06:08:20,200 --> 06:08:22,500
would think?
Oh, so it's just like an octopus

5827
06:08:22,500 --> 06:08:25,500
or squid and you know, that's
what I thought it was.

5828
06:08:25,500 --> 06:08:28,400
Like, the from the old stories,
like a giant squid cause like

5829
06:08:28,400 --> 06:08:33,800
some of those squids that are
mad old are Like 20, 30 40 feet,

5830
06:08:33,800 --> 06:08:36,900
they're huge and super scary.
You have to promise, they mostly

5831
06:08:36,900 --> 06:08:38,600
hang out in the bottom of the
ocean.

5832
06:08:38,600 --> 06:08:41,200
Not like up top where the people
are, right?

5833
06:08:41,400 --> 06:08:45,300
It's like scary you guys would
be correct because that's

5834
06:08:45,400 --> 06:08:47,200
exactly what the crack.
It looks like.

5835
06:08:49,000 --> 06:08:50,500
It looks like a giant freaking
squid.

5836
06:08:52,300 --> 06:08:59,300
Put up top.
Yeah so I think I've seen like

5837
06:08:59,300 --> 06:09:02,700
people call a leviathan as well
as leviathans over like a snake

5838
06:09:02,700 --> 06:09:05,200
like I think.
Yeah I was gonna say that name

5839
06:09:05,200 --> 06:09:07,300
has a lot of history to it.
Yeah.

5840
06:09:08,500 --> 06:09:12,000
So this back, biblical
references, and all sorts it is

5841
06:09:12,000 --> 06:09:17,700
a sea serpent from the Bible?
Yes, breathe fire which makes it

5842
06:09:17,700 --> 06:09:25,600
cooler than a snake.
Okay, so he looks like a giant

5843
06:09:25,600 --> 06:09:33,700
squid my question like okay, so
do we have any more?

5844
06:09:33,700 --> 06:09:38,100
Recent absolutely formation
about a crack in.

5845
06:09:38,100 --> 06:09:42,600
Oh yeah versus great.
It's okay Norse.

5846
06:09:42,800 --> 06:09:44,900
Thank you very much or
Icelandic.

5847
06:09:47,500 --> 06:09:53,500
It's okay mythology.
Is that methodology?

5848
06:09:53,800 --> 06:09:55,100
Of course, of course, of course
we do.

5849
06:09:57,000 --> 06:10:00,600
Okay.
So that okay, um, you know,

5850
06:10:01,100 --> 06:10:05,500
cracking was also, if anybody
has seen like an old-timey, like

5851
06:10:05,500 --> 06:10:09,400
Sailors map, you'd seen like a
map of the world, you see in the

5852
06:10:09,400 --> 06:10:13,700
ocean that they had were
monsters in the ocean and they

5853
06:10:13,900 --> 06:10:19,300
either like water dragons or
giant snakes or even giant

5854
06:10:19,300 --> 06:10:23,800
squids, and the Kraken was On,
you know, put on the maps either

5855
06:10:23,800 --> 06:10:29,700
to like as a warning of an
unknown area, like no one's like

5856
06:10:29,700 --> 06:10:31,800
really been there.
So we don't know what the hell

5857
06:10:31,800 --> 06:10:35,900
you're going to see there, so
maybe there's something big

5858
06:10:36,100 --> 06:10:43,200
monstrous there or or, I mean,
the ocean is terrifying.

5859
06:10:43,300 --> 06:10:46,300
Yeah, ocean is really, it's
really, really, really big.

5860
06:10:46,300 --> 06:10:50,500
And we haven't even searched all
of it yet so who knows?

5861
06:10:53,400 --> 06:10:57,200
And also seeing like a kraken or
like a sea monster, or your map.

5862
06:10:57,200 --> 06:11:00,800
Probably just means like maybe
they saw something in that area

5863
06:11:00,800 --> 06:11:02,400
and you're just worrying.
You hate.

5864
06:11:02,500 --> 06:11:04,000
There's something strange out
here.

5865
06:11:04,000 --> 06:11:07,800
So don't go as this, like, it
was, it was the ways of the old

5866
06:11:07,800 --> 06:11:11,300
days.
Yes, yes, we were over here,

5867
06:11:11,300 --> 06:11:17,300
Mark, and cop on the highway and
there going, oh, maybe it's the

5868
06:11:17,300 --> 06:11:18,800
Kraken.
I don't know.

5869
06:11:18,800 --> 06:11:22,100
You might want to avoid it what
he's coordination.

5870
06:11:26,500 --> 06:11:32,500
Oh my God.
Absolutely like listen, we're

5871
06:11:32,500 --> 06:11:42,200
just letting you know.
Okay, so back in once a back in

5872
06:11:42,200 --> 06:11:51,000
but it's back in. 1735 the
scientist named Carl Linnaeus.

5873
06:11:51,500 --> 06:11:56,000
First catalog, a no one's animal
species in his book is called a

5874
06:11:56,000 --> 06:11:58,800
system of natural.
Not sure.

5875
06:11:58,800 --> 06:12:03,500
A so Naturals system were
system, natural, whatever.

5876
06:12:04,100 --> 06:12:11,200
Okay, The cracking stories.
They were so popular that he

5877
06:12:11,300 --> 06:12:16,400
entered the crack it into this
book for like you know you know

5878
06:12:16,400 --> 06:12:21,500
all these actual living
organisms and stuff like that as

5879
06:12:21,500 --> 06:12:24,100
a separate pot.
Okay.

5880
06:12:25,300 --> 06:12:30,000
But you know many people were
just like okay well you you

5881
06:12:30,000 --> 06:12:32,300
could do this and put this in
your book but we're we still

5882
06:12:32,300 --> 06:12:36,200
think this thing is fake.
Just so you know just like you

5883
06:12:36,200 --> 06:12:39,900
know, no, you can add this to
their but, you know, No, no.

5884
06:12:39,900 --> 06:12:42,100
He's like this is a real
cephalopod.

5885
06:12:42,400 --> 06:12:45,200
And these people went, what is
wrong with you?

5886
06:12:45,700 --> 06:12:54,500
Science, we are doing science.
Yes, it was in our face.

5887
06:12:56,000 --> 06:13:00,300
We're over here, doing science.
And you are adding a cephalopod

5888
06:13:00,300 --> 06:13:06,500
that no one's ever seen.
They let him do it.

5889
06:13:06,500 --> 06:13:17,300
So a yeah yeah.
So and 1853 their this is this

5890
06:13:17,300 --> 06:13:20,300
is like I think the most recent
thing you will hear about a

5891
06:13:20,308 --> 06:13:23,800
kraken unless somebody else
comes up with some other

5892
06:13:23,800 --> 06:13:30,400
cracking news, a giant
cephalopod was found stranded on

5893
06:13:30,400 --> 06:13:37,100
a Danish Beach.
Norwegian journalist jump.

5894
06:13:37,200 --> 06:13:39,600
I cannot pronounce names.
I'm sorry guys.

5895
06:13:40,000 --> 06:13:46,400
Japan has steam, strop, he
recovered animals beak, and used

5896
06:13:46,400 --> 06:13:52,900
it to scientifically described a
giant squid, and I think I had

5897
06:13:53,100 --> 06:13:57,500
actually have a picture of it.
I'ma send that into the chat,

5898
06:13:57,500 --> 06:13:59,800
you could look at it.
It's just what the thing look

5899
06:13:59,800 --> 06:14:01,700
like.
I mean it doesn't look that big.

5900
06:14:02,200 --> 06:14:04,600
I'll post it in a Discord for
people who want to see it.

5901
06:14:04,600 --> 06:14:09,300
Yeah, yeah.
I'll just send it to you first

5902
06:14:09,300 --> 06:14:11,800
and then you check it out.
But it looks like it doesn't

5903
06:14:11,800 --> 06:14:13,900
look like it would be a giant
squid.

5904
06:14:15,200 --> 06:14:18,100
It just looks like it would be
like, I don't know, a bigger

5905
06:14:18,200 --> 06:14:27,400
size squid if that makes any
sense to you, So you think it

5906
06:14:27,400 --> 06:14:29,100
was a regular squid?
Let's hang it.

5907
06:14:29,100 --> 06:14:32,100
Yeah, it looks like it's a
regular test win.

5908
06:14:32,800 --> 06:14:35,800
Is there a difference?
And you might not know this, but

5909
06:14:35,800 --> 06:14:39,100
is there a difference between a
regular squid and a giant squid

5910
06:14:39,100 --> 06:14:43,900
in terms of There, you know,
genus species or whatever

5911
06:14:43,900 --> 06:14:47,900
because is it the difference
between the two of them just

5912
06:14:47,900 --> 06:14:51,300
time.
Like just like lobsters, if you

5913
06:14:51,300 --> 06:14:53,200
just lobsters never stop
growing.

5914
06:14:54,000 --> 06:14:57,600
If you allow them to live and
don't eat them, they just become

5915
06:14:57,600 --> 06:15:00,400
bigger.
Brittany till they become old

5916
06:15:00,500 --> 06:15:08,900
old men lobsters.
Maybe, um, also just a side

5917
06:15:08,900 --> 06:15:10,500
note.
I'm sorry, guys, I gotta go up

5918
06:15:10,500 --> 06:15:13,000
and change it again.
Did you know that basically,

5919
06:15:13,000 --> 06:15:16,600
like everything evolves into
grabs eventually?

5920
06:15:18,900 --> 06:15:20,000
Okay.
Okay.

5921
06:15:20,000 --> 06:15:23,100
Okay, it's true.
It's, I saw YouTube video about

5922
06:15:23,100 --> 06:15:33,400
it, it just makes so much sense,
okay, but save that for, yes.

5923
06:15:34,800 --> 06:15:37,000
I know exactly what you're
talking about because I'm pretty

5924
06:15:37,000 --> 06:15:39,400
sure I watched it to that
eventually.

5925
06:15:39,400 --> 06:15:42,600
We all become crap.
Everything becomes crabs after a

5926
06:15:42,608 --> 06:15:47,800
while he will crab people.
Everyone can't wait until I get

5927
06:15:47,800 --> 06:15:57,100
Pinchers.
I'm like, oh yeah.

5928
06:16:00,800 --> 06:16:02,800
We'll post a picture of it.
Yeah.

5929
06:16:02,800 --> 06:16:04,900
What's up, its courts?
Everybody can see it.

5930
06:16:07,400 --> 06:16:11,500
But we can talk about Carson
ization on the on patreon.

5931
06:16:11,600 --> 06:16:14,200
Oh my God, I'll have to do that.
Do W.

5932
06:16:14,200 --> 06:16:16,600
Next thing W next one after this
one.

5933
06:16:18,200 --> 06:16:20,800
The next one.
All right.

5934
06:16:20,800 --> 06:16:28,200
Well um but yeah.
Is this people people were like

5935
06:16:28,200 --> 06:16:30,000
once they found this giant
squid?

5936
06:16:30,100 --> 06:16:33,300
They're like, is this the crack
in every way is talking about.

5937
06:16:33,300 --> 06:16:36,700
It's just a freaking squid.
That's just big.

5938
06:16:36,700 --> 06:16:38,400
I'm just looking at it.
I'm just like this.

5939
06:16:38,400 --> 06:16:42,000
Can't be it just can't be alone
because it the Kraken it's

5940
06:16:42,000 --> 06:16:45,800
supposed to be like a bigger
than a whale, okay?

5941
06:16:46,800 --> 06:16:53,400
And this thing it's not fair to
well at all um and like crackers

5942
06:16:53,400 --> 06:16:54,900
supposed to fight Wells and
fellow rapper.

5943
06:16:55,000 --> 06:16:57,600
Around the tentacles.
You know how you seen pictures

5944
06:16:57,700 --> 06:17:05,300
you know you know I mean this is
exactly how Giant squids and

5945
06:17:05,400 --> 06:17:07,600
actual Wheels fight in the real
OSHA.

5946
06:17:08,900 --> 06:17:16,300
But apparently there have been,
I guess, 60 feet long giant

5947
06:17:16,300 --> 06:17:19,900
squids found and I'm just like,
well, I'm down there.

5948
06:17:19,900 --> 06:17:21,700
Yeah, I'm just like, okay well
there you go.

5949
06:17:21,700 --> 06:17:26,900
That's that can't be.
That could be your giant squid.

5950
06:17:26,900 --> 06:17:32,000
You're talking of you're
thinking of saying they're like

5951
06:17:32,000 --> 06:17:37,300
terrifyingly large.
Yeah there are also it's funny

5952
06:17:37,300 --> 06:17:41,500
because they're also like little
other smaller organisms in the

5953
06:17:41,500 --> 06:17:47,200
see that look like they may be a
crack at.

5954
06:17:47,300 --> 06:17:51,300
Yeah I got I got idea for you.
Are you ready?

5955
06:17:51,400 --> 06:17:54,900
Okay.
What if the Krakens And in the

5956
06:17:54,900 --> 06:17:56,300
crabs.
Oh my God.

5957
06:17:56,500 --> 06:17:57,900
And that's why we don't see them
anymore.

5958
06:17:58,300 --> 06:18:02,100
I mean, would he be trying
Crimson dude have to be right?

5959
06:18:02,200 --> 06:18:05,300
I don't understand.
Listen, I don't understand

5960
06:18:06,900 --> 06:18:12,500
Evolution.
It has its Art School scuttling

5961
06:18:12,500 --> 06:18:15,200
around on the bottom of the sea
and giant crabs.

5962
06:18:15,200 --> 06:18:20,400
Massive friggin crab just
absolutely huge.

5963
06:18:21,300 --> 06:18:24,400
I can see that I can God, but
no.

5964
06:18:24,800 --> 06:18:31,700
No, no, no, they'll stay a giant
still stay a giant squid because

5965
06:18:32,100 --> 06:18:37,300
Krakens are the Pinnacle and oh,
crabs are like the Pinnacle

5966
06:18:37,300 --> 06:18:42,800
Evolution like Krakens.
I swear to you the here.

5967
06:18:42,800 --> 06:18:47,400
What's going to take over?
Everybody is going to be a giant

5968
06:18:47,400 --> 06:18:51,900
squid or a giant crap.
When the time comes, it may not

5969
06:18:51,900 --> 06:18:53,700
either way.
I just want to be left alone.

5970
06:18:55,800 --> 06:18:59,700
Yeah I feel that we can be
alone.

5971
06:19:00,300 --> 06:19:05,100
I feel that very much.
Um see anything else I got for a

5972
06:19:05,100 --> 06:19:08,900
kraken know, and it's weird
because there's some that just

5973
06:19:08,900 --> 06:19:12,100
grow up to 40 45 feet in and
when he's found the 60-foot

5974
06:19:12,100 --> 06:19:16,300
Wonder like, oh shit, this is
there a crack in it?

5975
06:19:16,600 --> 06:19:18,800
This is our cracking we're
looking for.

5976
06:19:19,300 --> 06:19:24,200
Um, That's about it.
I think I found some cute

5977
06:19:24,200 --> 06:19:29,900
pictures of Krakens and like
some of them are like Is the

5978
06:19:29,900 --> 06:19:35,100
size of an island.
And like it's like an iceberg,

5979
06:19:35,100 --> 06:19:37,000
okay?
You got the island on top, but

5980
06:19:37,000 --> 06:19:40,000
underneath it's actually the
shell of a kraken.

5981
06:19:40,300 --> 06:19:45,500
So it's kind of like a mollusk
type of cephalopod or, yeah, you

5982
06:19:45,500 --> 06:19:54,000
know, it's interesting and that
about wraps up today's episode.

5983
06:19:54,600 --> 06:19:57,200
Yes, thank you so much for
listening.

5984
06:19:57,500 --> 06:19:59,400
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5985
06:19:59,400 --> 06:20:03,200
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5986
06:20:03,200 --> 06:20:07,800
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5987
06:20:07,800 --> 06:20:15,400
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5988
06:20:15,400 --> 06:20:19,400
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hundred years.

5989
06:20:20,100 --> 06:20:23,200
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5990
06:20:23,600 --> 06:20:27,600
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5991
06:20:27,600 --> 06:20:34,800
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5992
06:20:34,800 --> 06:20:37,700
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5993
06:20:37,800 --> 06:20:41,500
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5994
06:20:41,700 --> 06:20:43,700
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5995
06:20:43,700 --> 06:20:45,800
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5996
06:20:45,800 --> 06:20:48,700
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5997
06:20:48,700 --> 06:20:49,400
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