Gary Ridgway Part II: The Hunt to find a monster

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Testing testing haha, stupid
everybody.

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In serial killer country?
My name is Brittany.

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Ransom, my name is Brian Joyner
and this is when Killers get

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caught a podcast about deep,
dives into the lives, and psyche

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to the Killer's.
We love to learn about each

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week.
Brian, I find a True Crime Story

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that resonated with us.
Then I'll discuss one,

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well-known or lesser known
killer.

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Go deep into their childhood
lives methodology.

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And, most importantly, how they
got caught.

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Then we'll get a little spooky
and learn something about the

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Cryptid through the
Supernatural.

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And instead of talking about our
patreon, what, you know, about

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every week, I guess we should
mention.

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That I was on TV, she's hot,
she's icky Last Friday Night on

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20/20.
I was consulted to discuss,

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really more the way the
internet, handled Brian laundry

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and the guy who Tito case, hmm.
It was a I did a three hour long

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interview.
Yeah.

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I was in a lot.
Roughly every 10 minutes, but it

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was still significantly.
Dated my portion of it.

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But regardless is really great
experience and hands down like

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working with ABC, was quite
possibly the most, like group of

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professional people I've ever
dealt with.

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We gotta, we got a TV star over
here.

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Now, not only Tick-Tock star but
a TV star, look at that.

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But yeah.
So this week we're going to make

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it a little bit different.
We're not going to do this

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weekend.
True Crime and instead I'm going

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to jump right into part, two of
the Gary Ridgway podcast.

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And that's because I have a lot
to talk about when someone has

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49 victims, it's very difficult
to talk about all of them as

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they are unfolding and being
found in the case, which I

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wanted to do.
Like I said last week, we talked

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about the mask of Gary Ridgway.
We learned about his bizarre

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childhood, his obsession with
prostitutes, his loves his

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losses, his family and really
how he managed to pretend to be

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a regular person while
slaughtering 49 confirmed

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victims.
But definitely, they think it's

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closer to 80 between 1982 and
honestly, originally, I said

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between 1982 and 2001 but really
the majority of these were

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between 1982 and 1984 with
Allah.

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Alarming frequency.
That's a lot.

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Yeah.
You said he was doing a lot when

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his wife, no it was after he
broke up with his second wife

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while he was still dating other
people.

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Little confusing to me.
Well, you'll find out that once

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we get to the point where the
FBI psychiatrist talked to him

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at the end.
But what we are going to talk

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about though is the Forty Nine
victims the path that the eight

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Green River.
Task commanders 75 task force

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investigators.
Is 10 evidence specialist, three

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different medical examiner's, a
prosecutor's 10, task force

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Consultants 9 FBI special agents
as well as the Des Moines.

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Police Department, took hello
police department, Kent Police

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Department, Thurston County
Sheriff's Department, Snohomish

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County Sheriff's Department,
Pierce County Sheriff's

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Department to Coma Police
Department, Spokane, Police

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Department, Portland, Police
Department, Multnomah County

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sheriff's office, Washington
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He's Clackamas shares, can't
office, San Diego, Sheriff's

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Department, San Francisco
Sheriff's Department, San

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Francisco police department and
Las Vegas, Police Department,

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all dead to capture Gary
Ridgway.

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This was, I mean, this is
something that included hundreds

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upon hundreds of people.
Yeah, oh my God, just to catch

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this one guy.
I also want to make a point

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before we begin and Gary
ridgway's, one of the worst

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killers in US history, only
second, Samuel little and even

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though Is serving 49 consecutive
life sentences.

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This case is not closed.
There are still roughly 30

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women.
They believe that he has

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conveniently forgotten where the
remains are still several Jane

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Doe's, that the police force are
still working on today so that

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those families have some kind of
closure.

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And also, for anyone listening,
here's your trigger warning.

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We're going to be referencing
sexual assault, necrophilia, I

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tried not to go into too much
gory detail, but some of it had

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to be mentioned for the sake of
the fact that Um, victims were

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staged.
So we will start with the first

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victim, it's July 15th 1982, a
group of children, actually

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stumbled across the body of
Wendy Coffield voting in

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Seattle's Green River.
She'd been strangled after

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several days, no one came to
identify her.

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She was only 5 foot for about
140 pounds.

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She was wearing on him jeans, a
lace trimmed blue and white

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shirt and white sneakers.
The medical examiner was unsure

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of her age.
Thinking she was a little bit

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older teen to a younger adult.
And in the newspapers, they

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originally listed her as 25
years old, which might have

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explained by her family, didn't
come forward, because they were

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like, that's not our daughter.
She was identified because she

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had for rather dainty tattoos
and then one biker gang tattoo

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woohoo.
When they release her tattoos to

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the local newspaper.
A tattoo artist said, oh no,

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she's not an adult she's about
16 years old, I think.

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She lives in pole up with her
mother.

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That's what I said last week and
he was last week and I said if I

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go missing Look for My Tattoos,
good idea.

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Like they put pictures in the
artist was like, oh yeah.

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No, I did that.
Am I that yours will definitely

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recognize.
She was like, oh yeah, I

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remember that guy.
Well, Wendy Coffield his mother

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Virginia was sad but not really
all that surprised.

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Her daughter run away from home
and she was worried that her

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daughter was working the streets
and that she hadn't heard from

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her because she was probably
killed by a John Wendy's.

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Mom said that she had been a
pretty good girl and they done

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the best they could, but when he
dropped out of school after her

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parents divorced, got in trouble
with the law, she My often but

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she usually came home.
The papers showed Wendy's

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picture over and over hoping
anyone local would have any idea

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where she'd been, or, who she'd
been with when she died, they

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withheld the worst details
though which was that Wendy had

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been choked with her own
panties.

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It was a very violent death but
at the time it was only one.

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Hmm.
So no one thought much of it,

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right, right.
On August 12 1982 Debra.

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Lynn Bonner was found about a
quarter of a mile from where

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Wendy had been found.
She was nude and stuck in Nets

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and logs in the water.
She was in the system, so the

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police were able to place her
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She was 22 years old, and she
had been picked up for

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prostitution in the past, on
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She'd been seen alive on July
25th, leaving the Three Bears

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hotel, motel.
She told her friends.

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She was off to catch a couple
dates, but she never came back

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just like Wendy, Deborah.
Dropped out of school, she had a

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hard time finding work.
She tried to join the Navy but

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couldn't pass the.
It's not just like a it's a

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physical but it's also the
mental exam.

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Yeah.
There's physical and mental exam

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so she didn't pass.
It's actually it's rough when

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you learn that.
Some of these people were really

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struggling, but they were trying
because Deborah was in the

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process of like starting to
study for her GED.

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She was really trying to like
turn around and start.

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Ash, but you do bills are still
coming.

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Yeah.
You have to do what you have to

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do to survive.
She actually had a thousand

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dollar debt to Pierce County for
being arrested there previously.

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And she had been paying it off,
like, $25 a week.

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You almost paid it all God, she
paid $225 by the time she died.

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She still called her parents
collect, like frequently.

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She called her dad, just before
she went missing, ask him about

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an eye operation that she had
and telling Him that she loved

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him.
Her friends knew that she was

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hiding from a boyfriend / pimp.
Who was a convicted killer

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convinced that she owed him?
Thousands of dollars?

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He was, of course, the sensible
option for the cops to focus on.

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At this point, it would be
another year before they even

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thought about Gary Ridgway.
So detective, Dave Richard

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Reichert was put on the cases
with Bob Vila Maria and they

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looked into both of them as two
separate murders that is until

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August 15th.
When three more bodies were

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found a local man was rafting in
the shallows of the Green River

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looking for Treasure and came
across Marcy Chapman who was 33?

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She was floating in the shallow
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Next to the naked body of 17,
year-old Cynthia Hines, and not

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far from them was opal Mills.
She went missing when she was

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1600, people had gotten stuck in
some underbrush and her blue

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pants were tied around her neck.
She had bruises on her arms and

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legs showing that she had fought
back Wendy Coffield, and Deborah

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Bonners.
Murders, might not have mattered

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a whole lot in the grand scheme
of Seattle, but three in one

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day.
Yeah, absolutely.

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In the same spot.
Why in the same spot?

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Well, this was an as this the
dump site.

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Yeah, he was coming back and
just dropping them off there.

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But come on a little further
Downstream buddy.

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Well, detective Dave called
Major Crimes immediately.

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Hey, and so that major dick
kraske got the call on his pager

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and he knew it was something
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Maybe because he never got calls
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Now, he had been involved with
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Ted, Bundy's case, when they had
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site out in Issaquah.
So, his old boss was like, put

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on your tie and your sport coat
and meet me.

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So major craft put on his tie
and jacket and went out to the

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Green River because he was like
we got another one God.

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Now before these three women
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been the worst thing that he had
ever seen.

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And unlike the first two which
more kind of like lackluster

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body dump site, these were
hidden in like thick vegetation.

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They were also all way down with
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Rock that have been placed on
their chests and stomachs, the

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placement was so precise that
from the road you couldn't see

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the bodies.
So if that man had not been on

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that raft, kind of just hanging
An out.

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Yeah, floating through the
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They don't know when they would
have found those three bodies.

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This is so no disrespect to, you
know, the victims.

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But just, I just think of, like,
floating out of Susquehanna and

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he really liked in the river.
And yeah, just of a sudden, you

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see, like a naked body in the
water.

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It's like, holy crap.
Crazy.

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Yes, I'd be My mind, I don't
write du Helder but he's, I

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mean, I feel bad that the first
people who found the first

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victim were a group of children,
how Woods it's terrible.

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God asked for these three
victims Marshall was identified.

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First she was 31 at the time
when she went missing, she was

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doing as Tiny by her friends.
She had three kids who were 11 9

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& 3 years old.
Whom she supported by escorting.

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She left her apartment on August
1st 1982 and never come home

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Cynthia.
It was named next.

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She was 17 years old and
everyone called her cookie.

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She also made a living on the
street.

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She worked the tea sack strip
which is just where Marsha used

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to hang out.
Cynthia.

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Also had a pimp who kept her
safe and I say safe in quotation

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marks because the problem with
these pimps and is that once you

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got in the car, you were alone.
Yep.

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He didn't follow them.
Nothing, you didn't write down

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the name of the driver.
Ivers license.

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Nothing bad pimps, actually told
the police, he'd seen her August

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11th 1982 that she had gotten
into a black jeep.

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He hadn't written down the
license plate.

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What do you mean security?
How are you, taking a percentage

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of my business?
When I'm doing all the work?

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Are you helping me or nothing?
That's terrible.

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Terrible management.
Well, they learn the identity of

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opal because they had drawn a
picture of her, as if she were

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alive and put her in the
newspaper, Opals family was

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devastated.
She had a mother father and

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brother who all cared for her a
lot, they lived on the East Hill

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outside of Kent Washington
Opals.

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Mom told the police that they
had last seen her on August

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12th.
The same day, the police were

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finding Deborah Bonners body.
She'd left to go to Ooh, work

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and she'd caught her parents at
three PM from a phone booth and

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Angle Lake State Park telling
her mom that she had.

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Gotten a job painting houses
with her new friend cookie the

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other victim and he, they both
get picked up at the same time,

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not see?
We're not sure.

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So Both Cynthia and Marcia had a
history of sex work but opal did

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not.
Like sometimes she would go like

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stay at her friend's house for a
day and then she'd come home.

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But that was the longest she'd
even been away from her parents

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house.
None of her friends were like

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they're like absolutely not she
would not have been doing and

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you probably saw her hanging
around that right?

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And he's not her with Cynthia at
one point and is since he knew

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that Cynthia was working the
strip.

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You obviously opal must be to,
obviously because you can't have

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like regular friends that you
don't work.

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Well then I'd have been murdered
by the Green River Killer

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because I got a lot of friends
who have done sex work.

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Unfortunately, in the queer
Community, a lot of people get

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kicked out of their homes and
this is what they end up doing

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is so I have a lot of friends
who ended up doing that as a

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survival technique when they
were fairly young as well.

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That's one thing that's going to
be pretty consistent with these

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victims.
Has a lot of them are roughly 15

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to 18 years old, which is
absolutely heartbreaking.

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But another issue we have here
is that Ridgeway assumed that

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like, almost every woman was
trash.

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So, that's right.
You didn't have that heat,

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right?
Yeah.

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He hated women like, for real.
So, Who's like, right?

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You right.
You were right.

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He might have seen her with
Cynthia Hines and thought, Oh,

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look, she's hanging out with her
whole friends, but he also could

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have just been like, I don't
care.

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I'm picking up this girl
randomly, so who knows what

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really happened.
The police tried their best to

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keep like the worst details out
of the press.

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The whisperings of a serial
killer in Kent, killing

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prostitutes.
Was already happening.

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I mean, got five bodies.
So yeah, And as these stories go

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it's kind of I don't want to say
fun but it's you look at other

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people who are going through
something awful, and you don't

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think it can happen to you.
And the prevailing thought in

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all of the papers at the time
was if you're not a prostitute

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thing, you're safe.
But we already see, that's not

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true because one of the five was
not.

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Yeah.
So all you had to do was be in

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the wrong place at the wrong
time and Ridgeway would kill

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you.
Now, on the day after the three

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bodies were, found it crashed
began putting together the Green

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River task force wasted.
No time in the past.

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You and I have mocked police
forces for waiting too long or

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going too slow, but that did not
happen here.

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The initial task force had 25
investigators from King County,

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Seattle Tacoma and can't police
offices kraske and his men had

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no idea what they were about to
deal with.

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But they had no idea.
This was a killing team, a solo

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killer because recently there
had been a tool and so that was

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a Duo even though that was a
weird sort of Duo.

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But one thing that they did know
though was that the killer was

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definitely some kind of smart
and willing to adapt his methods

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in order to stay hidden because
the first two were found

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floating down the river and He
adjusted his kill method very

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quickly, his dump method, right?
So hiding them in like trying to

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pressure them down to the water.
Yeah.

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Got you got smarter in terms of
his forensic countermeasures,

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right?
They also realized that he was

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going to have to find another
dump site now, which but they

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were going to be working
completely in the dark.

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Now, one of the details, they
did manage to keep out of the

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press, was that All three who
had been found and the most

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recent dumb site had rocks that
were wedged inside of them.

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So tightly, they had to be
surgically removed.

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This was the kind of thing that
knew that this crime had a

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sexual element to it, they
couldn't tell if the women had

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been raped like the first two
victims had but one thing you

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learn when you look into lust
killers and things of that

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nature is that sometimes when a
killer cannot perform, you have

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that kind of a response, right?
He might have done this after he

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killed them in a moment of
anger.

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And also to prove that he still
had some kind of virility hence,

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why the the phallic symbol
phallic item was placed inside

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the women, okay?
Okay.

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But they all had been strangled.
The rest of August went by no

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more bodies being found the
city.

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Calm down a little bit and
people stop being anxious.

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The girls on the street started
going back out alone again, the

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task force decided to use this
time.

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When there was kind of a lull in
the active people joining the,

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or the active crimes happening
to begin, looking into missing

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women, dating back to 1981 and
1982 and trying to see if they

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had gone missing anywhere near
where these three women were

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found.
The next woman who was found was

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Giselle love worn on September
25th when a biker was in the

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woods and smelled her remains,
hmm.

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She was found nude except for
men's socks, that have been tied

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around her neck.
She gone missing on July 17th.

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Just after her 17th birthday,
she was only in Seattle because

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her boyfriend had convinced her
to leave California with him.

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She'd actually decided to go
back home and be with her

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family, but she ended up going
back to their place to get her

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stuff and he convinced her to
stay.

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Of course.
She ended up choosing to work

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the strip in order to make some
money since she hadn't finished

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high school either, despite the
fact that she had 145 IQ really,

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wow?
It's believed that she probably

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hadn't been paying too much to
the news, or You to, you know,

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realize what was going on.
She wasn't from the area.

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Her boyfriend leader told the
press that he tried to report

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her missing but the police
ignored him but he was actually

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wrong, they did add her to the
missing women from for the Green

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River case, hmm.
Giselle was the first victim to

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show that Ridgeway had changed
his dump site.

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And he had escalated from just
strangulation to necrophilia

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Which we know from last week was
something that he was going to

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start struggling with because
that was the part that he found

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to be the most revolting, which
is so interesting because we'll

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find like later on when he ends
up finally talking to the FBI

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psychiatrist.
There's so many things that he

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admits to that are very foul
words.

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I didn't even know existed.
Oh, new vocabulary vocabulary.

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Yay.
Thing that made him go.

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You know what I'm crossing the
line here having sex with bodies

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that I murdered already just
wow.

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Yeah, I don't get that.
Just no.

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Well by the time, Giselle was
fat in September.

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The task force had interviewed
over. 300 people.

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They had made a request to the
behavior science unit of the FBI

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for a consult, the only two that
could be linked together where

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opal and Cynthia, who had gone
to the same high school

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together.
And also were friendly Deborah,

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and Cynthia had gone to the same
bar and Tacoma, but no one had

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ever seen them together in the
bar or speak.

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So, they just happen to be at
that bar near each other, right?

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Dick cross came up with the
first profile.

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He said he thought they were
looking for someone who lived in

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Pierce or Kings County was
familiar.

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With the Green River.
The dump site was not a common

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In stopping point for many
Travelers at this point, the

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case was only known in
Washington and Oregon.

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The task force moved to a
central location at the King

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County Courthouse which was it
in super old building with

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marble hallways in a really
shaky Foundation like

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legitimately they were told if
there's an earthquake, this

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building might fall, we're going
to put you in that one.

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Okay.
Major Crimes field, one big room

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and then the smaller rooms had
like random offices for

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Narcotics and other things.
The Green River task force met

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In the same room where the Ted
Bundy task force met in the 70s.

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It was a small now room up the
back steps of 41A they were maps

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and charts of all of the dump
sites on the walls.

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The phones, pretty much rang all
day and all night woman by the

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name of fa Brooks who delightful
cool lady.

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We'll hear more about her leader
because she was probably one of

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the few cups.
He was very media savvy.

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So she ended up doing a lot of
the public interviews, okay?

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In terms of talking about the
Green River Killer, but both say

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Brooks and Dave Reichert took,
most of those calls Faye Brooks

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had kind of cut her teeth in the
sex crimes division.

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So she absolutely was needed on
this case because she had the

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background of understanding sex
criminals.

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In late January of 1983.
Now, six weeks into the

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investigation.
A man was laying water pipes

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found a shallow grave about 100
yards from Northgate hospital.

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He discovered the skull and
immediately called the police,

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the skull and its bones.
Belong to Linda Gene, rule,

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who'd been missing, since
September of 1980 to, she had no

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soft tissue left.
So they couldn't tell how she

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died.
And she had to be confirmed by

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her dental records, but they
already had her missing report.

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Art in the file, right?
She was someone listed as

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potentially missing based on her
lifestyle being in that she was

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a prostitute.
She was 16 years old when she

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was last seen leaving.
Her motel room walking to the

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Northgate Mall.
That was really all they had to

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go on so Sergeant Bob Holter and
Captain Mike's last men of

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Seattle homicide were quoted as
saying technically, we're not

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calling this a murder, we don't
have enough to go on for that,

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but the results are the same.
She is dead and we don't know

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why.
What would be confirmed as a

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Ridgway victim, right?
When he eventually took them to

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all the sites.
But this happens in 2002, I'm

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just saying, you're finally like
a skeletal remains buried in a

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shallow, grave somewhere in the
woods.

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True true, what makes it not a
murder?

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What makes you think?
It's not a murder?

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Well, I mean, the evidence I
guess evident, right.

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There's no evidence they had
because the problem is Ridgeway

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wasn't interesting enough.
Since I brought up Gabi booty,

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do damage with Tito had signs of
a strangulation, right?

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Yeah.
Which means there could have

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been broken bones in her neck.
That was not what they found

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here of these victims.
But they were all strangled,

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they were strangled but they
were not strangled to the point

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of breaking like the hyoid,
right?

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So it was just enough to
probably knock them out or

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Right.
Cuz the Gabby's Gabby's was more

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of a passion.
Christ passion.

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Another thing is that sometimes
Gary would put his arm around

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them.
Yeah.

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You don't have.
Yeah.

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You don't have your and that's
not the same as putting your

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hands and that crushing
pressure.

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Absolutely, yeah.
Also the same thing is ligature

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marks or things of that nature.
Well, we don't finally ligature

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marks because these are just
skeletal bone, right?

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White?
This the tissues gone.

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I'm just saying if I find
something Skeleton in the woods.

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Your like this is obviously a
murder.

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Somebody murdered this person.
With each murder, they got more

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suspects and they had to be
interviewed and cross off the

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list.
One of those suspects was Gary

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Ridgway.
See, in the spring of 1983

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Marine Mammal VAR.
She was 18, got into an old

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pickup truck with a dark-haired
man and his 30s or 40s.

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Marie's boyfriend had seen it
and he also reported her missing

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on April 30th. 1883, they went
to ridgeway's home and

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questioned him about her.
And one of the, like, really

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annoying details with this
interview that they did here,

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was that one of the previous
victims I told you.

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She had fought back opal.
Had bruises, right?

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She So scratch the absolute crap
out of him.

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And he one of his arms was
jacked up and so when the police

453
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:23,300
came to talk to him, he had two
very like methodically lean on a

454
00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:28,200
fence to make sure that they
didn't see that everything was

455
00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:31,600
that that he had gotten like
severely scratched, he got in a

456
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,100
fight, what happened to, you
know, play with the cat or

457
00:26:33,100 --> 00:26:35,800
something, huh, right, yeah.
So you specifically, like, made

458
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,100
sure that when they, they walked
up to the house, he was leaning

459
00:26:39,100 --> 00:26:40,900
against the fence so that they
couldn't see.

460
00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:44,900
His arm.
He knew what he knew.

461
00:26:44,900 --> 00:26:48,600
What was up?
Now the next set of remains were

462
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:54,400
found kind of painfully on
Mother's Day May 8th 1983 by a

463
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,700
family hunting, for wild
mushrooms.

464
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,800
She was found a distance from
the strip but to the task force,

465
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,700
this felt like the Green River.
Killer her name was Carol and

466
00:27:04,700 --> 00:27:07,400
Christiansen.
She was 22 the single mother of

467
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,000
a five-year-old daughter and she
gun missing five days.

468
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,000
Prior she was really excited
because she just found a job

469
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,900
after a really long time
searching.

470
00:27:16,300 --> 00:27:20,400
She lived near the pack Highway
and she would frequently walk

471
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,400
walk it on foot because she
didn't have a car.

472
00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:25,500
She was a waitress at the bar
during Tavern, which was very

473
00:27:25,500 --> 00:27:28,300
close to white shutters.
And if you remember from last

474
00:27:28,300 --> 00:27:32,200
week, that was the bar that Gary
Ridgway used to go to for his

475
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:37,900
parents Without Partners event.
Yeah, that's the same bar.

476
00:27:37,900 --> 00:27:43,000
He met his third wife, Judith in
Carol lived three blocks away.

477
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,400
The police were sure.
She was a victim of the Green

478
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,400
River Killer, because her
remains had a very strange Rich

479
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,900
ritualistic take She had not
been raped before she died.

480
00:27:55,100 --> 00:27:59,100
She had been strangled, a brown
plastic bag was over her head.

481
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,300
She was sitting half up with her
hands across her stomach.

482
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,300
Her body had been dumped in
water and she had been re closed

483
00:28:06,300 --> 00:28:09,600
but backwards like one of her
shoes on the wrong feet and the

484
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:14,700
other one was just gone.
There were two cleaned fish left

485
00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:20,300
on her chest as well as raw
sausage like left on her leg

486
00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:26,100
stomach, they I found a wine
bottle in her hand and just like

487
00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:30,100
the three women in the water, a
stone have been placed inside of

488
00:28:30,100 --> 00:28:33,800
her.
And that was the thing that made

489
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,600
it seem like it was a Green
River killing.

490
00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:38,200
Yeah.
That's what was almost like he.

491
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,400
A ritual asleep.
Put her in water because he

492
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:41,900
couldn't take her back to the
real.

493
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,700
Yeah I kind of got that you get
the fish and he put her in like

494
00:28:45,700 --> 00:28:48,500
a puddle or something.
I thought the fish thing was

495
00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:56,100
Kind of like a weird play on the
Eucharist and we know that Gary

496
00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:59,200
Ridgway did go through a time
period where he was like

497
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,600
obsessive with Christianity.
The real country though was the

498
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,400
stone.
Yeah.

499
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,600
That would have been.
He was unable to rape her

500
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:12,200
because of his own physical
image issues and for all we know

501
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,200
he might have come back and
maybe the stone was there to

502
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,700
protect her.
He later told.

503
00:29:19,900 --> 00:29:22,800
Investigators that she was
special.

504
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:28,400
That's why he had done so much
extra with the sausage and the

505
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,900
fish and don't ya model?
Yeah.

506
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,500
Both Carol and her daughter,
Sarah were members of the

507
00:29:34,500 --> 00:29:37,700
Blackfoot tribe of Browning
Montana and her parents lived

508
00:29:37,700 --> 00:29:41,400
and Hokum Idaho.
So at least Sarah wasn't alone

509
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,900
after her mom died.
Now, while it's rare that serial

510
00:29:45,900 --> 00:29:49,700
killers and for the record, we
are definitely at this point in

511
00:29:49,700 --> 00:29:52,600
Seattle, referring to him as a
serial killer while it's where

512
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,400
they kill people.
They know personally, it's not

513
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:59,300
impossible because we've talked
about this before with The

514
00:29:59,300 --> 00:30:03,900
compulsion or the impulse to
murder being so strong that

515
00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:06,100
sometimes you take rest.
Yeah.

516
00:30:06,100 --> 00:30:10,200
So even though she was a
waitress, At the bar that he

517
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:15,500
frequent admitted, it's
thoroughly plausible that he

518
00:30:15,500 --> 00:30:18,700
might have picked her up because
he just needed to kill someone.

519
00:30:19,900 --> 00:30:24,100
That itch and Carol Ann was
easy.

520
00:30:24,100 --> 00:30:28,900
Pickings because she walked
right by every day, The King

521
00:30:28,900 --> 00:30:31,400
County investigators kept
Carol's case, under the Green

522
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,600
River Killer cuz it was in his
hunting grounds and they had

523
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,400
triangulated a general area
based on the dump sites that

524
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:43,800
they knew. and, Another weird
details.

525
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:48,300
That Carol is the only person
Ridgeway would go on to Stage.

526
00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:52,100
So, whatever point he thought he
was making that day.

527
00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:57,200
Well, really never know.
But this did tell the task force

528
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,000
one detail.
They knew this man was not

529
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,900
mentally ill.
And anyway, it was all to

530
00:31:02,900 --> 00:31:06,900
thought out to be the work of
someone who was truly crazy.

531
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,400
The next victim was found 13
months after the first murder,

532
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,300
her name was Sean D'Elia,
Summers, she been missing since

533
00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:19,000
October 7th 1982, her family had
been looking for her pretty

534
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,100
non-stop for 10 months.
And also when I keep saying

535
00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:28,500
SeaTac that Seattle-Tacoma I'm
sorry I'm using the so the

536
00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:32,600
Sea-Tac Airport she was found
near an airport flight path.

537
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,300
Two days after that, another set
of remains were found nearby

538
00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:41,700
both Shonda and the other woman
were so badly decomposed that

539
00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:44,600
they couldn't do a base.
Identification Shauna was

540
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:49,500
identified by dental records,
but they still don't know the

541
00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:51,900
identity of the other one.
Wow.

542
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,400
Goodness.
Gil and Matthews was found

543
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:04,200
September 18th, 1953 missing
since April, she's 24 years old,

544
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:08,400
and just like many of ridgeway's
victims, she was down on her

545
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,600
luck and just trying to survive
Gil's, boyfriend, reported her

546
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,500
missing.
And by the time she was found,

547
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,600
he was in prison and he felt so
bad that he even agreed to be

548
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:22,000
hypnotized to remember the last
time he saw her and he told them

549
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:27,300
that she got into a truck.
He actually said that at some

550
00:32:27,300 --> 00:32:31,500
point he saw her drive by and he
had waved at her and she looked

551
00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:36,500
strangely at him and he wasn't
sure why she hadn't waved back.

552
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,200
Hmm.
And it was more than likely

553
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,500
because at that point, she was
being threatened.

554
00:32:43,300 --> 00:32:47,200
In October, they found three
more victims, 1st, October 15th,

555
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:52,400
Yvonne and Tosh 19 found just
off of Highway 18 near I-94

556
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,200
thing.
Since May 31st a week later they

557
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,900
found constant.
No constants known 20 years old

558
00:33:00,700 --> 00:33:05,500
missing since October 27th,
found near South 192nd Street.

559
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,300
Sorry she was found on October
27th, missing since June 8th.

560
00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:13,500
Okay.
Then they found Kelly Marie

561
00:33:13,500 --> 00:33:16,500
where she was 22 and she was
near constance's body.

562
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,500
In fact, the police continued to
search that area because they

563
00:33:20,508 --> 00:33:23,000
were like this seems like a dump
site and so they found Mary

564
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,200
Brigid me hen.
She was 18 years old when she

565
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,000
went missing that was they found
her on November 13th that?

566
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,000
This was official.
This was another dump site.

567
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,500
Yeah this was another place that
they had to keep looking

568
00:33:33,500 --> 00:33:38,000
through.
Did Christ was burned by this

569
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,400
new crop of bodies, and he
decided they were going to cover

570
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,100
more land interview, more
witnesses, talked to every

571
00:33:43,100 --> 00:33:45,200
missing girl in the area and
their family.

572
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,100
And anybody, they'd come into
contact with this, of course,

573
00:33:48,100 --> 00:33:52,600
create a massive database, which
often led to nowhere, but if

574
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,200
there was even the tiniest
chance they could get something

575
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,400
to go on, he wanted it so far.
The only good thing that really

576
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,100
come.
From this case was that the

577
00:34:01,108 --> 00:34:03,800
working girls in Seattle were
less afraid of the cops.

578
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,100
And now Like they were sort of
allies, right?

579
00:34:08,100 --> 00:34:11,900
And so if like they met a weird
guy or somebody like rough them

580
00:34:11,900 --> 00:34:15,300
up, they would call the police
and be like, yo, I just came

581
00:34:15,300 --> 00:34:18,900
from this guy's house and he has
like a bunch of knives, just

582
00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:25,600
letting you know.
Hey, just because a guy has a

583
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,199
lot of knives with sword.
Does that make him?

584
00:34:29,900 --> 00:34:33,100
I'm not making a dig at you.
That's actually one of the calls

585
00:34:33,100 --> 00:34:43,400
that's reference but now this
created a weird sort of

586
00:34:43,408 --> 00:34:48,600
cooperation between the Seattle
PD and and sex workers, it

587
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,500
actually crossed people's mind
that since this next crop was

588
00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:53,900
one of the the dumpsites was
near an airport.

589
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,400
They were like do you think he's
like a frequent flyer?

590
00:34:57,500 --> 00:34:59,500
Hmm, like maybe, that's why
we're finding them.

591
00:34:59,500 --> 00:35:03,300
Sporadically.
So and the Sea-Tac Airport is

592
00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:05,100
right in the middle of the, the
hunting grounds.

593
00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:10,600
So kraske reached out to every
major airport across the United

594
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:15,200
States and the police precincts
near them and said, hey are you

595
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:20,000
having a series of women go
missing around this area?

596
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,200
And when all those police
responded, no, they were like

597
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:29,400
okay but he has to be local.
With the fall and the winter on

598
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,400
the horizon, they were expecting
it to be less women would be on

599
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,000
the Strip.
So therefore less at risk just

600
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,100
before Christmas Kimmy Chi,
Pitzer was found December 15th

601
00:35:40,300 --> 00:35:44,200
she'd been missing since April
17th at Timmy went missing the

602
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,700
same day another girl named
Sandy also meant missing, they

603
00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:49,000
were both dark-haired 16 year
olds.

604
00:35:49,300 --> 00:35:53,800
Very sweet and kind had hit a
defiant rebellious stage in

605
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:58,400
their life.
Kimmy did have a boyfriend /

606
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,300
pimp, this one was at least able
to give them more information

607
00:36:02,300 --> 00:36:04,900
about the car.
They said it was a pickup truck,

608
00:36:04,900 --> 00:36:08,600
it was old green and had a
camper attached on the back and

609
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,100
there was primer paint on the
passenger door.

610
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,900
Nice, they printed this
description and all the local

611
00:36:14,900 --> 00:36:19,000
papers, but there are a lot of
old trucks with campers on them

612
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,600
because we're literally in the
middle of the Wilderness.

613
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,300
Yeah, okay.
He's back then it was the

614
00:36:23,300 --> 00:36:24,900
Wilderness.
It's a lot more built up now.

615
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,600
In two years, they found 15
bodies and they were any closer

616
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,700
to figuring it out.
There were a couple promising

617
00:36:32,700 --> 00:36:34,900
leads ahead and pound out like
Melvin Foster.

618
00:36:34,900 --> 00:36:38,400
The 63 year old cabbie who got
himself put on the suspect list

619
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,600
when he walked in and Major
Crimes and told them that he had

620
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:45,500
information about all the women
eventually, he voluntarily gave

621
00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:49,300
a DNA sample and there was no
match, so they moved on Mac

622
00:36:49,300 --> 00:36:51,500
stack.
Lee was the guy who was the

623
00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:53,700
convicted killer, who dated
Deborah Bronner?

624
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,000
He also was exonerated through
DNA evidence.

625
00:36:57,300 --> 00:37:00,400
John Norris Hanks was a serious
Contender as a convicted rapist

626
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,000
and murderer, but it was
determined that he had actually

627
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,500
been murdering people in San
Francisco.

628
00:37:06,500 --> 00:37:11,100
Oh, not in Seattle.
Art is our mistakes are mistakes

629
00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:16,200
in France, let's go well.
So he ended up getting arrested

630
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,300
for those murders in the
September of 1980 to which met

631
00:37:19,300 --> 00:37:23,100
he was not free during the time
when a bulk of these women were

632
00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:25,900
found, right?
In the dead of winter, they find

633
00:37:25,900 --> 00:37:28,900
nobody's the women were still
continuing to go missing from

634
00:37:28,900 --> 00:37:31,100
the area.
So the task force spent the

635
00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:35,500
winter working for the work of
the nose. 300 leads just before

636
00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:38,800
the new year.
Frank Adamson Takes Over The

637
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,000
Green, River task force.
There was a rumor that the Green

638
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:48,000
River Killer could be a cop.
And Frank was the former head of

639
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,300
the internal investigations unit
and he'd managed to be the

640
00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:55,200
leader of internal affairs
pretty much and still have

641
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,500
friends in the police force
which meant he was doing pretty

642
00:37:58,500 --> 00:38:00,200
good.
Good job guy.

643
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,600
Also crass kid been on this
depressing case for two years

644
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:10,800
now, new eyes, new enthusiasm,
wait about four new connections.

645
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,000
Like, I need a break vacation.
There were 40 detectives as part

646
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,400
of the task force now and they
moved them out of that crappy

647
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,400
small Courthouse room into the
Burien Precinct area, which was

648
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,200
closer to The Hot Zone for the
murderers.

649
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,700
The state also started pumping a
lot more money into the task

650
00:38:27,700 --> 00:38:31,100
force that had given kraske.
Most of the original detectives

651
00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:33,900
on the case were pulled Add back
and given a chance to rest.

652
00:38:34,500 --> 00:38:39,100
Except for Dave, Reichert Bob,
lemuria Ben Caldwell, roubaix

653
00:38:39,100 --> 00:38:43,000
ladach, and Faye, Brooks who all
were like, now we're staying

654
00:38:46,700 --> 00:38:48,800
Frank.
Adamson said that he thought

655
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,700
within six months they'd have
the killer.

656
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:55,300
Hmm.
He even admits in an rules Green

657
00:38:55,300 --> 00:39:00,300
River, Running Red Book.
In hindsight we probably should

658
00:39:00,300 --> 00:39:03,500
have caught him.
But we'll talk more about that

659
00:39:03,500 --> 00:39:10,100
later.
The first of 1984 victims was

660
00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:14,300
found February 14th.
Her name was dilys Pledger.

661
00:39:14,700 --> 00:39:17,200
She was 22 and she had gone
missing in October.

662
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,900
She was known as Missy by her
friends and Missy.

663
00:39:19,900 --> 00:39:23,500
Have been living with someone
while, trying to find a new

664
00:39:23,500 --> 00:39:26,900
place to live.
She had two children, and a life

665
00:39:26,900 --> 00:39:28,500
full of struggle.
Like so many of the people

666
00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:29,600
you're going to hear about
today.

667
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,300
Both she and her twin brother
had been removed from their

668
00:39:32,300 --> 00:39:35,200
mothers care when they were five
putting different foster homes,

669
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,300
Missy very openly grieve, the
loss of her family, and she

670
00:39:39,300 --> 00:39:41,500
actually looked for her brother
until her death.

671
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,300
Miss.
He didn't really want to work

672
00:39:44,300 --> 00:39:46,100
the streets.
She tried to stay with a couple

673
00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:50,000
of her male friends while she
was transient and all of them.

674
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,000
Had tried to groom her into like
a set.

675
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:57,800
It's really interesting and I
can't say that I haven't seen

676
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,700
this happen in real life but
it'd be, it'll be wild.

677
00:40:00,700 --> 00:40:03,000
People will find out like that,
they're dating.

678
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,600
Someone who does sex work and
all of a sudden now you got

679
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,800
ideas.
Yeah, I had a physician job.

680
00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:13,900
I literally, I literally had it
happen with a friend and I was

681
00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:17,300
just like she has been out here
doing this for you.

682
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,800
What do you think you can do?
Yeah, you know nothing about

683
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:25,200
this industry who have no idea.
Oh my God but out here making

684
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:30,200
videos, doing all sorts my think
I can you know, make sorry if

685
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,100
you don't shut the whole hell
up.

686
00:40:32,100 --> 00:40:33,600
How about you start your own
business?

687
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,700
What yourself sir, it didn't go
that way.

688
00:40:35,900 --> 00:40:37,900
But that was what's happening
here, they're like, oh, you

689
00:40:37,900 --> 00:40:40,200
know, you're thinking about
doing, you know, Street.

690
00:40:40,300 --> 00:40:42,600
I work I can help you girl.
No, that's okay.

691
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,700
I'm good on my own.
I do bad about myself.

692
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,100
Well, she tried to avoid it for
as long as she could.

693
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,200
And so she had no other options
left and of course, we know that

694
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,200
she ended up in one of
ridgeway's vehicles.

695
00:40:55,200 --> 00:41:00,200
Yeah.
As the frost melted, they found

696
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,600
five more women at a new dump
site in March.

697
00:41:04,100 --> 00:41:07,700
Lise Yates 19 had gone missing
just before Christmas on

698
00:41:07,700 --> 00:41:12,300
December 23rd.
She was found March 13th. 1984,

699
00:41:12,500 --> 00:41:15,900
her skeletal remains were found
near exit. 38 off of I90.

700
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,500
This was a whole different
location, so they weren't sure.

701
00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:20,300
Originally, it was the Green
River Killer.

702
00:41:21,300 --> 00:41:26,800
It was east of Seattle on the
way to the Snoqualmie Pass. and,

703
00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:31,700
This made them wander.
Could he be a trucker?

704
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,500
Hmm.
Since those are one of the

705
00:41:34,500 --> 00:41:36,900
number comment, uh, serial
killer?

706
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,600
Yep.
Jobs, they found Wendy Stevens.

707
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,300
On March 21st.
She was one of the youngest

708
00:41:43,300 --> 00:41:45,900
victims.
She was only 14 years old.

709
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,200
She actually also, I don't
believe she was a sex worker

710
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,000
either.
She was run away from Denver.

711
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,600
She was found near the Seatac
Airport as Addison and his men

712
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,600
went back and looked at Old dump
sites.

713
00:42:00,700 --> 00:42:03,500
She was actually the one who
remained unnamed and we talked

714
00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:08,400
about her earlier this year.
Her parents took a DNA test and

715
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,900
2019 specifically to see if
their daughter was dead.

716
00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:15,900
And if her DNA was logged in any
systems in the United States,

717
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,500
they then paid for that to be
matched further.

718
00:42:18,500 --> 00:42:22,200
And in September of 2020, they
got an answer and it was

719
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:27,000
released in January of 2021 when
you and I talked about it, the

720
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,900
next one was found one day
later, March 22nd 1984, Her name

721
00:42:30,900 --> 00:42:32,800
is Sheryl.
Lee Williams, she was 18.

722
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,400
When she went missing, in May of
83, she was found near a ball

723
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,100
field.
Not far from the Sea-Tac

724
00:42:38,100 --> 00:42:41,100
Airport.
She was a waitress and arrest in

725
00:42:41,100 --> 00:42:44,100
a restaurant.
Downtown Seattle described by

726
00:42:44,100 --> 00:42:47,300
her boss as quiet conservative
and conscientious.

727
00:42:48,300 --> 00:42:51,600
Her put her pet, her mother told
the police that she had some

728
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,300
issues with drug use in the
past, but that she'd never been

729
00:42:54,300 --> 00:42:59,100
involved in prostitution.
Then on March, 31st 1984, they

730
00:42:59,100 --> 00:43:03,100
found two more bodies to loras
Williams had been 17 missing

731
00:43:03,100 --> 00:43:08,300
since March of 83 and Debbie
Abernathy, 26 missing since

732
00:43:08,300 --> 00:43:12,900
September 5th of 1983.
Delores was found at the Star

733
00:43:12,900 --> 00:43:15,900
Lake dumping site, and Debbie
was found near the logging a

734
00:43:15,900 --> 00:43:21,300
Logging Road off of Highway 410.
So, all five of these were found

735
00:43:21,300 --> 00:43:24,100
at previous dump sites that were
already discussed so far.

736
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,600
And that's only because part of
the task worth methodology was

737
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,200
continuously combing, the area
to see if he was going to

738
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,700
continue dumping in the same
locations.

739
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,900
But they're still finding old
body is once a year, these are

740
00:43:36,900 --> 00:43:38,800
older bodies.
So, yeah, they're still fighting

741
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:43,200
people who went missing in 82
and 83 So he definitely got.

742
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,900
He was hiding those pretty well.
They're just finally little

743
00:43:45,900 --> 00:43:48,500
missing like little little
Pebbles, welcome.

744
00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:54,200
One of the weird details with AB
Debbie Abernathy was that a man

745
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,500
was later walking down, the
highway highway 18.

746
00:43:57,500 --> 00:44:01,000
He found her driver's license.
She was from Waco, Texas and

747
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,200
turned it in.
So then they went back to that

748
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,400
area of a separate was a
separate Highway, and they found

749
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,900
her son's birth certificate.
And so, for some reason as he's

750
00:44:10,900 --> 00:44:16,700
driving, Away from the crime.
He takes her like stuff and

751
00:44:16,700 --> 00:44:20,200
throws it into the wind.
The guy or Ridgeway.

752
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,200
What have?
And the question is, why?

753
00:44:23,300 --> 00:44:26,200
Yeah?
Why this one weird that that's

754
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:31,100
him saying like, hey come find
her because you all suck or is

755
00:44:31,100 --> 00:44:33,800
this just his way of trying to
get rid of the stuff?

756
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,100
No, he's probably leaving bread
crumbs, if you wanted to get rid

757
00:44:36,100 --> 00:44:38,600
of him, he would have liked burn
it or accept it or something.

758
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,200
He was leaving bread crumbs from
them with follow, And like March

759
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,100
31st, there's no time to breathe
because April 1st, brings two

760
00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:47,400
more bodies.
Terry.

761
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:52,200
Renee Milligan 16, missing since
August 29th of 1982 Sandra Kate,

762
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:56,100
Gabbert 17, missing since April
17th 1983.

763
00:44:57,500 --> 00:44:59,900
Terry had been working the
street when she went missing her

764
00:44:59,900 --> 00:45:03,100
boyfriend, reported her missing
and then he disappeared the

765
00:45:03,100 --> 00:45:06,000
motel manager where the to have
been living said that he'd seen

766
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,900
Terry arguing with another girl,
just like everybody else on this

767
00:45:09,900 --> 00:45:11,900
list.
Terry was a bright girl, good

768
00:45:11,900 --> 00:45:14,100
student.
She had a baby in middle school

769
00:45:14,500 --> 00:45:16,700
and that's why she had dropped
out of school to take care of

770
00:45:16,700 --> 00:45:19,600
her.
Baby Sandra had also dropped out

771
00:45:19,607 --> 00:45:23,500
of school and Sandra's mother
had discovered her working the

772
00:45:23,500 --> 00:45:25,500
streets.
And her mom was like, listen,

773
00:45:25,500 --> 00:45:28,800
you could get yourself killed
doing This but Sondra was

774
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,300
confident that she was better
than those other girls.

775
00:45:31,700 --> 00:45:34,500
Both of them were found near the
Star Lake dump site.

776
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,900
We're not done yet though.
April 2nd, my aunt Smith found

777
00:45:41,900 --> 00:45:45,100
also near Star Lake.
She'd been missing since March

778
00:45:45,100 --> 00:45:49,000
3rd 1983, she was from Walla
Walla Washington and she was

779
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,200
seen in front of this hotel.
So it was a red lion.

780
00:45:53,300 --> 00:45:55,600
You know, those Hotel.
Yeah, it was directly across

781
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,600
from the airport and apparently
even though this was considered

782
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,900
to be like a nice hotel in the
area there, definitely were

783
00:46:01,900 --> 00:46:05,100
always women at the bus stop in
front of the Red Lion.

784
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,400
Who were, you know, what was it,
like a picked up?

785
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:14,800
Yes, nice hotel.
What This hotel and itself is

786
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,500
linked in to well, over a dozen
of the murder victim.

787
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,900
Oh God.
One of her friends.

788
00:46:20,900 --> 00:46:23,400
Reported that they saw her get
into a dark pickup truck with a

789
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,300
white guy.
Never saw her again.

790
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,400
April March is on April 20th.
They find him.

791
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,300
Murray Thompson.
She was 21 been missing since

792
00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:36,500
July 25th 1983 her skeletal
remains were found under a green

793
00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:40,900
trash bag, along with the bones
of animals near Highway 18 in a

794
00:46:40,900 --> 00:46:45,000
very remote location.
Now, hers was an interesting one

795
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,000
because she was found by a
psychic named Barbara.

796
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,300
Kubik Patton.
Who truly believe that she was

797
00:46:51,300 --> 00:46:54,100
speaking with a deceased who
were telling her where the

798
00:46:54,100 --> 00:46:56,600
bodies were found, she was super
upset that too.

799
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,200
Task force wasn't listening to
her.

800
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,600
She even tracked down and Rule
and like interrupted.

801
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,700
And while she was having dinner
And and was just like, listen,

802
00:47:06,700 --> 00:47:08,700
you're going to have to find a
body to make these suggestions,

803
00:47:08,700 --> 00:47:11,300
listen to you because nobody
agreed with her.

804
00:47:11,300 --> 00:47:18,400
And so she started showing up a
dump sites. and when she found,

805
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,700
She found Amina Agra Schiff who
was on the missing list but was

806
00:47:24,700 --> 00:47:29,500
ultimately not one of the Green
River Killer victims and then

807
00:47:29,500 --> 00:47:32,200
she found Tina Thompson.
They ended up giving her a

808
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:36,100
polygraph tests just to make
sure she wasn't involved.

809
00:47:36,300 --> 00:47:37,900
You sure you didn't do any of
this.

810
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:45,700
So we're only in May of 84 and
we've already found 10 women,

811
00:47:45,900 --> 00:47:48,100
which is more than the previous
year.

812
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,100
They Brooks.
At this point, had to step up

813
00:47:54,100 --> 00:47:57,600
and become the media Maven that
she was because she was the only

814
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,200
person who really had a lot of
like, media training at that

815
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:05,700
point.
So they looked at their previous

816
00:48:05,700 --> 00:48:09,300
list of suspects and they kept
coming back to Gary Ridgway

817
00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:11,200
their Muslim much evidence
though.

818
00:48:11,300 --> 00:48:13,600
Although he had been arrested
for trying to pick up a police

819
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,300
officer and they had interviewed
him about that missing girl,

820
00:48:16,300 --> 00:48:19,500
he'd been seen with, they didn't
have any physical evidence to

821
00:48:19,500 --> 00:48:22,300
say that, this like skinny guy
was anything other than a creep,

822
00:48:22,300 --> 00:48:23,400
but they want to talk to him
again.

823
00:48:23,900 --> 00:48:26,600
So in May of 1984, they brought
him in and questioned him

824
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,400
because it was all they could do
at the time.

825
00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:31,000
He of course, denied any
involvement, and even agreed to

826
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,200
a polygraph test.
Now unfortunately, we know, The

827
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,700
parameters of machine are off
and had it been calibrated

828
00:48:36,700 --> 00:48:41,200
correctly, he would have failed.
But they went with the

829
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,300
information they had at the
time, damn it.

830
00:48:43,300 --> 00:48:45,700
And they had to move on to other
potential Killers.

831
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,900
For the time being though, Gary
was just a creep and they were

832
00:48:48,900 --> 00:48:49,800
going to keep an eye out for
him.

833
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:54,100
If his name came up again, at
the end of May on the 26th, they

834
00:48:54,100 --> 00:48:57,400
found the remains of the 26th,
Green River victim.

835
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,200
How poetic Colleen Brockman,
she'd been missing since

836
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,400
Christmas Eve 1982.
It is believed that Colleen was

837
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,200
the last of the Washington State
victims.

838
00:49:07,500 --> 00:49:10,100
She was only 15 years old when
she went missing and she it away

839
00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:12,200
from home.
The reason why there's confusion

840
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:16,100
here is because at some point,
Gary went back and moved the

841
00:49:16,100 --> 00:49:24,600
bones around, they found bones
of victims that of from dump

842
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,800
sites and Washington.
They found some of those bones

843
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,600
in Oregon which really confuse
things.

844
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:35,900
Yeah, that's because Gary
Ridgway looked at the remains

845
00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:39,100
as, if they were like, it was
like a possession and so like he

846
00:49:39,100 --> 00:49:48,700
moved them around like they
belong to him. but, Colleen live

847
00:49:48,700 --> 00:49:52,000
with her dad near Lake
Washington, the Lake,

848
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,700
Washington, ship canal and her
dad wasn't sure why she had left

849
00:49:55,700 --> 00:49:59,200
this time, but she taken a lot
of her stuff with her and he

850
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,700
tried to get law enforcement
involved because they were like,

851
00:50:01,700 --> 00:50:05,100
maybe if she gets arrested and
has to go to juvie or something,

852
00:50:05,100 --> 00:50:08,200
then we can get her like some
point, a court-appointed therapy

853
00:50:09,300 --> 00:50:11,500
Colleen had turned to
prostitution to provide for

854
00:50:11,500 --> 00:50:13,200
herself while she was on the
run.

855
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,400
And of course Right?
He ended up in the dark pickup

856
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:18,300
truck.
Yeah.

857
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,200
Now, the next few months things
kind of slowed down in terms of

858
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:26,000
finding bodies the lull.
Again, again gave people a false

859
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,600
sense of security and even
though local PD were trying to

860
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,900
encourage women to avoiding the
strip of the highway are near

861
00:50:33,900 --> 00:50:39,700
the tea, sack Airport, They just
people weren't you can't stop

862
00:50:39,700 --> 00:50:45,300
because people need money.
Yeah I get that. well, so during

863
00:50:45,300 --> 00:50:52,400
this time period, Dave Riker and
Robert keppel decide to talk to

864
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,900
Ted Bundy and he reached out to
them.

865
00:50:56,700 --> 00:51:00,000
He actually kept on ended up
writing a book about these

866
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,200
interviews called the river Man,
Ted Bundy and I hunt for the

867
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:07,400
Green River Killer and Bundy was
the first to offer up the idea

868
00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:11,100
that the river man as he called
him, was going to go back to the

869
00:51:11,100 --> 00:51:15,200
body's over and over again, this
wouldn't be confirmed for quite

870
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,500
some time actually and they
couldn't really use any of the

871
00:51:18,500 --> 00:51:21,800
information that they were kind
of gleaning from Ted Bundy in

872
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,400
the actual investigation,
because he was a convicted

873
00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:27,900
murderer.
I think about it right.

874
00:51:27,900 --> 00:51:29,600
The lightning, right, right,
right.

875
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,500
Yes.
But what these interviews what

876
00:51:32,500 --> 00:51:37,500
these letters and ultimately
they did go fly to Bundy in 1986

877
00:51:37,500 --> 00:51:40,600
and talk to him, but what these
interview show, Dave, was that

878
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:45,100
serial killers are a lot alike.
Capel will continue

879
00:51:45,100 --> 00:51:47,600
corresponding with Bundy for the
next two years eventually, they

880
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:54,400
went to interview him in person.
October 12 1983, Mary Sue.

881
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:59,700
Bella was found 366 days after
she went missing near Highway

882
00:51:59,700 --> 00:52:03,900
410, milepost 37.
She was 25 which made her a lot

883
00:52:03,900 --> 00:52:08,300
older than his usual victims.
Her family tried to get her out

884
00:52:08,300 --> 00:52:10,500
of the life of working the
streets, but she been

885
00:52:10,500 --> 00:52:12,800
struggling.
Since she was young, she was

886
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,700
streets wise and a lot smarter
than the other girls.

887
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,200
But she also had a problem with
drugs and alcohol.

888
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,400
One of the things that I
mentioned a lot about her was

889
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,900
that she was very kind to other
people on the street and tried

890
00:52:24,900 --> 00:52:28,400
to help them.
She had even called the police

891
00:52:28,900 --> 00:52:33,300
and reported a guy that she met
on September 12 1983 who had

892
00:52:33,300 --> 00:52:35,800
creeped her out.
She was looking out for the

893
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,200
other girls who were working.
Was it Gary?

894
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,800
There's do you not know, not
know.

895
00:52:41,300 --> 00:52:43,600
She said he had a lot of knives
and this guy had a lot of nice

896
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,100
car.
That's the that's the one I was

897
00:52:45,100 --> 00:52:46,500
telling you about that, people
like that.

898
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,000
Actual workers called the bed.
I'm just saying you don't have

899
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,300
knives in your car though, and
you have them like displayed in

900
00:52:53,300 --> 00:52:56,300
cases at your house, right?
Yeah.

901
00:52:56,300 --> 00:52:58,400
Okay.
It's a little different.

902
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,700
That report was actually added
to their case File a month later

903
00:53:03,700 --> 00:53:07,100
though, she was gone and her
mother kind of had an idea that

904
00:53:07,100 --> 00:53:14,100
she was gone to marry always
called her every other day and

905
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,600
probably one of the saddest
details about Mary.

906
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:21,000
Sue Bellows case, is that her
mom Sue velman died from cancer,

907
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:22,700
never knowing what happened to
her kid.

908
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:27,200
No, that's terrible.
Since Mary been found near

909
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,500
Highway 41, they decide to keep
working that area and they

910
00:53:30,500 --> 00:53:32,300
discovered the remains of
Martina author.

911
00:53:32,300 --> 00:53:37,100
Lee on November 14th 1994.
She was 18 and she was last

912
00:53:37,100 --> 00:53:41,900
seen, May 22nd 1983 outside of
the my place, Tavern, a hunter,

913
00:53:41,900 --> 00:53:47,700
found her along with wet porn
magazines, and smut books.

914
00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:50,600
Oh God!
Can you imagine what he's using

915
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:51,800
up?
Using those for out there?

916
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:58,400
Yeah. 1984, and it without much
fanfare, notice appearances.

917
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,000
No remains found third
Christmas, that would pass with

918
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:06,400
family, still not knowing any
information and just like that,

919
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:11,400
it was 1985.
In January, don, dr.

920
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:15,900
Don re-released details about
four sets of remains that, they

921
00:54:15,900 --> 00:54:19,600
still had no name for they had
found remodeling in the first

922
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,500
star league victims pelvis and
one of her arms had been

923
00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:26,400
dislocated and woman by the
name.

924
00:54:27,100 --> 00:54:31,500
Well, Gail, Matthew's sister
remembered that her sister, had

925
00:54:31,500 --> 00:54:35,400
been injured in a boating
accident, and she had fractured

926
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,500
her pelvis.
And so they were able to get the

927
00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:43,500
x-rays and confirm that.
The first Star Lake victim was

928
00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:48,700
Gayle Matthews.
Shirley Ann, Roy was 15 when she

929
00:54:48,700 --> 00:54:53,400
went missing in June of 1983 and
they found her March 10th 1985

930
00:54:53,400 --> 00:55:02,200
near Star Lake.
These were old remains. and so,

931
00:55:03,300 --> 00:55:05,200
People started telling
themselves.

932
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,700
Maybe the Green River.
Killer has moved on, maybe he's

933
00:55:08,700 --> 00:55:11,400
in jail.
Maybe he died.

934
00:55:11,500 --> 00:55:18,000
Hmm, like the Zodiac, right,
let's say like, the Zodiac, the

935
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,900
task force was like, maybe he
just moved to a new area and

936
00:55:20,900 --> 00:55:24,900
it's still killing people.
The next two victims.

937
00:55:25,900 --> 00:55:30,500
Were surely Murray Cheryl and
Denise, Darcel Bush, Shirley was

938
00:55:30,500 --> 00:55:33,400
18.
And Denise was 23, they were

939
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:38,300
found on June 14th and June 12
and it actually brought the best

940
00:55:38,300 --> 00:55:42,100
thing for the case.
The FBI officially joined, the

941
00:55:42,100 --> 00:55:44,500
investigation.
There have been phone calls like

942
00:55:44,500 --> 00:55:49,300
back and forth with John Douglas
and but this was actually sent

943
00:55:49,300 --> 00:55:54,600
like 10 investigators, because
these were also another marked

944
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,800
change.
Those girls were found in the

945
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:02,100
suburbs of Seattle in a city
named Tigard and both have been

946
00:56:02,100 --> 00:56:07,300
missing since the fall of 1982.
So another dump site, a

947
00:56:07,300 --> 00:56:08,700
different one.
Yeah.

948
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:13,400
The FBI refer to this case, as
major case, 77 green murders.

949
00:56:15,900 --> 00:56:18,200
And it was good at the FB I
joined because that made this a

950
00:56:18,207 --> 00:56:21,500
bigger deal.
September brought the discovery

951
00:56:21,500 --> 00:56:26,000
of Mary West, 16, missing since
February 6, 1984.

952
00:56:26,500 --> 00:56:29,200
And then with the feds joining,
there was now a million dollar

953
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,000
Federal grant to expand the task
force in November.

954
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,300
People were sure there was going
to be an arrest now.

955
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,500
Hey still didn't come nothing.
Yeah, that's the original

956
00:56:39,500 --> 00:56:43,700
politician who had backed the
first task force was no longer

957
00:56:43,700 --> 00:56:47,600
in office his name As Randy
Ravel and his replacement Tim

958
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,100
Hill, wasn't all that
enthusiastic about the task

959
00:56:50,100 --> 00:56:53,600
force at this point.
So the FBI started looking at

960
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:57,400
the woman's disappearances and
writing summaries about each of

961
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,800
the reports looking for patterns
in their lives and behaviors

962
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,800
racially, the victims were all
over the place and it seemed the

963
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,000
killer didn't have any racial
preference.

964
00:57:08,500 --> 00:57:11,500
They were all strangled though
in some way, sometimes manually

965
00:57:11,500 --> 00:57:13,000
or through some kind of
ligature.

966
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:17,500
They did have one woman who had
survived To being raped, step

967
00:57:17,500 --> 00:57:21,900
beaten and stabbed her name was
Myra Bell from Oregon.

968
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:29,800
She had probably given the most
detail to the guy, but still

969
00:57:30,100 --> 00:57:32,800
like it would like the
unfortunately, the definition is

970
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:39,200
still like a white guy with a
beard kind of skinny in a truck

971
00:57:39,500 --> 00:57:42,500
like it's still not good enough.
These little white guys like

972
00:57:42,500 --> 00:57:44,100
that.
Yeah.

973
00:57:46,700 --> 00:57:49,900
Some of the most Brilliant Minds
in policing are now working on

974
00:57:49,900 --> 00:57:51,800
this case, we're talking for
like three and a half years.

975
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,500
They spent over eight million
dollars.

976
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,500
The FBI sent 10 more ages to the
task force.

977
00:57:57,100 --> 00:57:58,900
Everyone was optimistic.
This was it right?

978
00:57:58,900 --> 00:58:02,400
It had to be.
Now, one thing people talk

979
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:06,800
about, is, the DNA evidence DNA
sequencing was still very new.

980
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:11,900
Like, I saw an article that
said, like, first killer found

981
00:58:11,900 --> 00:58:15,000
through DNA evidence in like
1985.

982
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:20,300
Oh, oh, right, we're at the
beginning of DNA being used in

983
00:58:20,300 --> 00:58:21,800
the court system, right?
Yeah.

984
00:58:24,100 --> 00:58:26,500
But still, they were like, if
this is a thing that could

985
00:58:26,500 --> 00:58:28,600
happen in the future, we're
going to try and get as much DNA

986
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,000
evidence as we can.
We're clipping all the

987
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,500
fingernails of all the victim.
Yeah, you know, things like

988
00:58:32,500 --> 00:58:36,400
that.
Add Hanson, a member of the task

989
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:40,600
force came up with the idea of
listen, instead of us going to

990
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:44,400
all these dump sites, which are
up and down Hills and Ravines

991
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,400
swamps and stuff.
Why don't we just hire

992
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:52,800
professional surveyors to
Traverse this area and give us

993
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:58,600
proper Maps which turned out to
be a genius idea and it freed up

994
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:02,300
the task force instead of them
you know mucking up their way

995
00:59:02,300 --> 00:59:04,700
through it to work on others.
Stuff, route.

996
00:59:04,700 --> 00:59:07,500
True.
Now, just before the new year,

997
00:59:07,500 --> 00:59:10,500
they find Saint Denis major
December 30th.

998
00:59:10,500 --> 00:59:12,000
She was 20 when she went
missing.

999
00:59:12,300 --> 00:59:16,500
December 24th in 1982, she was
actually unidentified until

1000
00:59:16,500 --> 00:59:22,200
2012. her family watched a
documentary on Gary Ridgway and

1001
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:26,000
they went Sandra was around
there that time.

1002
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,000
Wasn't she?
And so they gave they

1003
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,500
specifically called up like,
King County Sheriff's department

1004
00:59:32,500 --> 00:59:36,700
and we're like, we would like to
offer up our DNA and they were

1005
00:59:36,700 --> 00:59:40,300
able to compare it and she was
positively identified, mmm,

1006
00:59:41,500 --> 00:59:44,100
That's terrible.
You just watching a documentary

1007
00:59:44,100 --> 00:59:46,900
of watching a documentary about
a serial killer and you're like,

1008
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,800
Dad, didn't you say that?
I'm Denise used to live in

1009
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:55,900
Seattle before she went missing.
Do you know what?

1010
00:59:55,900 --> 00:59:58,100
Yeah, you're right.
Oh my God.

1011
00:59:58,100 --> 01:00:02,500
Brutal right?
Yes, So, John Douglas updates

1012
01:00:02,500 --> 01:00:05,700
his initial profile because he
had sent one to the task force

1013
01:00:05,700 --> 01:00:08,800
when they were just calling back
and forth.

1014
01:00:09,700 --> 01:00:12,800
And he actually a made himself
officially available to the task

1015
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:16,600
force, in January of 1986.
That's because he had gotten

1016
01:00:16,700 --> 01:00:20,300
like really sick.
What's the word?

1017
01:00:20,300 --> 01:00:22,800
I can't remember the name of the
illness, gosh, it's the one.

1018
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:33,900
Unimportant, I didn't write down
those a pose that you can get

1019
01:00:33,900 --> 01:00:36,500
when you live in close contact
with people in college.

1020
01:00:36,500 --> 01:00:39,900
And we had to get a shot for it
is like mono or something.

1021
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:43,500
It's that's, it's not mono but
it's one of those it starts with

1022
01:00:43,500 --> 01:00:47,800
an M but yeah, he had gotten
that illness and he had been

1023
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:51,300
sick for a while so he was fully
recovered in January of 86.

1024
01:00:51,300 --> 01:00:55,200
So he came over.
I mean I was good because they

1025
01:00:55,200 --> 01:01:01,000
found Jane Doe 17 who is between
the age of 14 and 18 years old.

1026
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:04,200
They assumed be by the age of
her bones that she'd been

1027
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:07,600
missing from 80 to 84.
She's still one of the young

1028
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,900
woman, we don't have a positive
ID for 8284.

1029
01:01:10,900 --> 01:01:16,900
Wow, which lends to the belief
that this started before 82.

1030
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,900
Yeah.
Which is another reason why I

1031
01:01:19,908 --> 01:01:25,100
don't believe his little bull
crap about my wife cheated on

1032
01:01:25,100 --> 01:01:28,800
me.
That's why I just had to start

1033
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:32,200
killing people as I cry.
You were assaulting people while

1034
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:35,300
before then as soon as you were
able to, you were doing it.

1035
01:01:35,300 --> 01:01:37,800
Exactly.
The second profile for the Green

1036
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:38,900
River.
Killer was pretty close to the

1037
01:01:38,900 --> 01:01:40,600
first though.
Douglas was sure the killer was

1038
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,500
in good, physical shape, and
Outdoorsman, but he also drank

1039
01:01:43,500 --> 01:01:47,700
and smoked, he said, this guy
was not neat, he'd be nocturnal

1040
01:01:47,700 --> 01:01:50,400
drive, a very conservative.
But vehicle souvenirs and

1041
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,100
trophies were very important to
him.

1042
01:01:52,100 --> 01:01:54,300
As well as newspaper clippings
about the murders.

1043
01:01:54,900 --> 01:01:56,800
Both allowed him to relive the
thrill.

1044
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,600
Douglas was sure.
He was in his mid 20s to 30s and

1045
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,600
that his homicides reflected a
certain rage and anger that

1046
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,400
meant he was never going to
stop.

1047
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,900
Now, around this time, they had
some new suspects, anger,

1048
01:02:08,900 --> 01:02:12,100
Rasmussen, and elderly, man who
had a barn full of pictures of

1049
01:02:12,100 --> 01:02:15,300
women, and also posted
advertisements trying to get

1050
01:02:15,300 --> 01:02:18,100
women to come live with him.
They all thought he was a total

1051
01:02:18,100 --> 01:02:20,800
creep, but definitely not strong
enough to carry corpses up and

1052
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:24,000
down Hills.
The second suspect was Gary

1053
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,400
Ridgway who had claimed, he only
choked a girl because she bit

1054
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:31,600
him while she was being
serviced, right rev the time.

1055
01:02:31,700 --> 01:02:34,200
They believed that the killer
had a job that required him to

1056
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,600
visit the dump sites or drive by
A them and ridgway's job at

1057
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:41,700
Kenworth Trucking wasn't far
off, but it didn't require him

1058
01:02:41,700 --> 01:02:42,700
to travel, right?
Yeah.

1059
01:02:42,700 --> 01:02:45,300
Because he pointed out to that
one girl was like, hey, that's

1060
01:02:45,300 --> 01:02:47,000
where I work at as right.
Yeah.

1061
01:02:47,300 --> 01:02:52,300
Also they couldn't see someone
with a full-time job stalking

1062
01:02:52,300 --> 01:02:56,000
women and planning this out.
So intensely.

1063
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,900
See one of the things they
thought was that this was being

1064
01:02:58,900 --> 01:03:01,300
planned out but Gary later
explained that it was not

1065
01:03:01,300 --> 01:03:03,700
planned out at all, it was very
impulsive.

1066
01:03:04,300 --> 01:03:06,800
It's very weird.
Not, they should mention that

1067
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:08,800
like you got a full-time job.
You go wife.

1068
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,400
Yeah, he had a lot going on.
Like how do you find time for

1069
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:16,300
this thought, it's hot.
Listen, I just want to talk to

1070
01:03:16,300 --> 01:03:18,400
you.
How do you find time to murder,

1071
01:03:24,100 --> 01:03:25,900
right?
He really was doing a lot which

1072
01:03:25,900 --> 01:03:29,200
is why he wasn't killing as much
with Judith, but he's not

1073
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,400
married to Judith yet, right?
Right.

1074
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,600
Yeah, So he's doing his third
wave.

1075
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,000
No, yes they're dating.
Yeah, okay.

1076
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,000
And they live together, but
okay, okay.

1077
01:03:40,300 --> 01:03:44,900
Any kid mmm-hmm.
Now he was really hanging out

1078
01:03:44,900 --> 01:03:47,800
with his kid.
So these had to happen happened

1079
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:49,800
like Monday through Friday.
If he was seeing his son every

1080
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:54,400
weekend and they were going to
things and fixing toys and cars.

1081
01:03:54,400 --> 01:04:00,400
Yeah.
But they decided to pass on Gary

1082
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:04,300
Ridgway as a suspect temporarily
because they were like, he's too

1083
01:04:04,300 --> 01:04:08,100
busy to be doing all this.
Also, he did pass a lie-detector

1084
01:04:08,100 --> 01:04:11,300
test.
They decide to fix it on this

1085
01:04:11,300 --> 01:04:13,700
guy named bear Barney taken
board.

1086
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:15,900
He was middle-aged.
He was obsessed with killing

1087
01:04:15,900 --> 01:04:18,300
dogs, and he would do it in many
different ways.

1088
01:04:18,300 --> 01:04:21,400
Like traps rifles, Groats,
knives, ice picks.

1089
01:04:21,900 --> 01:04:26,600
Several people had actually
called the police on Barney

1090
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:29,300
chicken burger more.
Like, are you sure he's not the

1091
01:04:29,300 --> 01:04:33,200
Green River Killer.
He's in fact, he had even

1092
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,800
inadvertently.
Worked beside a police informant

1093
01:04:37,100 --> 01:04:42,400
at a cement mixing job.
And police were like hey you

1094
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,200
worked with that guy?
Can you tell us about him?

1095
01:04:44,700 --> 01:04:47,700
And so the informant was like,
listen, he strong athletic, he

1096
01:04:47,700 --> 01:04:50,500
spends all his free time in the
woods, he loves to kill things

1097
01:04:50,500 --> 01:04:52,400
and he loves to talk about
killing things.

1098
01:04:53,300 --> 01:04:56,300
In fact, taking Borg had even
shown the informant, his

1099
01:04:56,300 --> 01:04:59,800
Library, full of books and
magazines about human anatomy

1100
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:03,500
and how to kill people.
Ticking Borg.

1101
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:07,100
Also visited a lot of sex
workers so they decide to spend

1102
01:05:07,100 --> 01:05:12,000
most of January, interviewing
everyone, he knew February 6th,

1103
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,600
1986, the FBI, and the task
force went to the ticking board

1104
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:18,900
house, which was a block from
the pack Highway.

1105
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:20,700
Hmm.
They'd already picked Barney up

1106
01:05:20,700 --> 01:05:23,100
on his way home from work.
He had been getting a ride home

1107
01:05:23,100 --> 01:05:26,500
from his boss and they like
ordered him out of the car.

1108
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:30,600
Oh Doom, he was questioned for
hours, the police picked up

1109
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,000
every blood-stained.
Item in his house to try and

1110
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:36,300
test it, it was eventually
proven that ticking Borg was

1111
01:05:36,300 --> 01:05:38,400
just a weird guy, but he wasn't
a murderer.

1112
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,300
No, he just knew how to kill
people and, you know, he just

1113
01:05:41,300 --> 01:05:43,800
like wants to read about it, but
he doesn't know how to do it,

1114
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:45,000
right?
Okay.

1115
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,600
I guess he's a, he's a hobby.
Yes, I guess.

1116
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:53,800
So, in the meantime, March 27th,
1986 brought the discovery of

1117
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:57,600
Tracy Winston, she was 19 had
been missing since September 12

1118
01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:00,100
1983.
She wouldn't be identified for

1119
01:06:00,100 --> 01:06:03,500
another 16 years and that's
That's because her mandible was

1120
01:06:03,500 --> 01:06:05,400
missing and so were all of her
teeth.

1121
01:06:05,500 --> 01:06:09,600
Mmm, the leader of the task
force Frank, Adams, and was just

1122
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,400
faced in a lot of backlash and
he was tired.

1123
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:15,500
He would go on to run it until
January 1987.

1124
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:21,100
But even as early as March of
86, he knew He knew that his

1125
01:06:21,100 --> 01:06:24,700
time was coming to an end spring
brought.

1126
01:06:24,700 --> 01:06:29,200
The discovery of maroon Marine
Sue Feeny, who have been missing

1127
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:34,000
since September of 1983, she was
found on May 2nd, her bones were

1128
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:39,600
withered and south of the
juncture at Highway 18 and

1129
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:43,200
Highway 90.
June 14th, Kimberly Nelson was

1130
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:46,700
found near I-94.
She was 21 years old when she

1131
01:06:46,700 --> 01:06:50,800
gone missing November 1st 1983.
Heartbreakingly, her father

1132
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:52,800
died.
A few months before she was

1133
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,400
positively ID.
And then her sister had a

1134
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:59,800
nervous breakdown after so much
grief in such a short amount of

1135
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:03,700
time and I understand Miss
Nelson, because I've been there

1136
01:07:05,300 --> 01:07:08,500
The end of June brought the
discovery of Cindy and Smith 17

1137
01:07:08,500 --> 01:07:10,900
missing since March twenty
first, Nineteen Eighty-Four

1138
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:12,600
probably.
The only good thing that

1139
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:16,300
happened in 1986 was that women
had stopped going missing from

1140
01:07:16,300 --> 01:07:19,400
the area and it was definitely a
sign of the Green River, Killer

1141
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:21,600
had slowed down, or stopped or
moved on.

1142
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:24,900
And then just like that, they
stopped finding bodies to huh.

1143
01:07:25,300 --> 01:07:28,100
At the end of 1986, it was
decided, the task force would be

1144
01:07:28,100 --> 01:07:31,900
downsized. 25% of the crew was
sent to different departments.

1145
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,700
Adamson was given the bad news.
And he knew that that meant he

1146
01:07:35,700 --> 01:07:39,100
was going to be next.
His boss actually called him in.

1147
01:07:39,100 --> 01:07:44,600
And went listen, we got a job.
You could be a major and Maple

1148
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:49,500
Valley and you could like leave
a major.

1149
01:07:49,500 --> 01:07:54,300
You say, well I mean, so when he
told his boss, he's like yeah

1150
01:07:54,300 --> 01:07:57,300
I'll go to the new Precinct, his
boss is like you made the right

1151
01:07:57,300 --> 01:08:01,300
choice pretty much implying that
if you didn't take this job, you

1152
01:08:01,300 --> 01:08:03,400
were gonna lose your other one.
Yeah.

1153
01:08:04,500 --> 01:08:08,900
They brought in Jim Pompey to
take over the now slightly

1154
01:08:08,900 --> 01:08:13,200
smaller task force, he hadn't
kept up with all the details and

1155
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:15,900
so he was kind of fresh eyes.
There was this Sort of hope that

1156
01:08:15,900 --> 01:08:18,700
the killings would stop and the
task force would just disappear

1157
01:08:18,899 --> 01:08:20,899
and everybody would just forget
what had happened.

1158
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:25,700
Now, Jim Pompeii song name pop
up over and over in their system

1159
01:08:25,700 --> 01:08:28,399
and he just couldn't let it go.
First there was this time this

1160
01:08:28,399 --> 01:08:31,200
guy got arrested for picking up
a prostitute and she was

1161
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:34,399
actually come.
This was the same guy who'd gone

1162
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:37,700
parking with Kelly came again
assess and she'd never been seen

1163
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,600
the same man who admitted to
strangling Penny Bristow after

1164
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:43,700
she bit him the same man that
Jim Julian.

1165
01:08:43,700 --> 01:08:46,399
Had talked to in front of the
KFC, where many of the women who

1166
01:08:46,399 --> 01:08:49,200
had gone missing like to hang
out the same man who drove will

1167
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:53,100
pick up Chuck's and match the
description of every Witness who

1168
01:08:53,100 --> 01:08:56,500
described the Green River
Killer, like it's so surprising,

1169
01:08:56,500 --> 01:09:01,200
how he was a call Early here.
The Gary Ridgway, they knew he

1170
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:04,399
was happily married had a young
son, and 1984, he passed the

1171
01:09:04,399 --> 01:09:07,000
polygraph test.
He didn't fit the parameters of

1172
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:10,000
the original profile Pompeii was
like, I don't care.

1173
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:11,300
We're going to put them under
surveillance.

1174
01:09:11,899 --> 01:09:14,100
They submitted evidence for a
search warrant for Gary,

1175
01:09:14,100 --> 01:09:17,399
ridgway's house and on April
8th. 1987 they picked him up.

1176
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,399
This was everything.
It was a search warrant for his

1177
01:09:21,399 --> 01:09:22,600
car, his father.
Father's car.

1178
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:26,100
His wife's car, as well as his
house and his locker at camera.

1179
01:09:26,100 --> 01:09:29,700
Trucking, they also demanded
hair samples from Ridgeway and

1180
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:32,700
this is also when he gave the
saliva sample, that would

1181
01:09:32,700 --> 01:09:36,399
eventually get him caught, it
would take weeks before they got

1182
01:09:36,399 --> 01:09:38,700
the results of the initial
symbols that they took from his

1183
01:09:38,700 --> 01:09:41,100
house.
Weirdly enough Gary didn't

1184
01:09:41,100 --> 01:09:43,899
threaten to sue the police
officers, which is what most of

1185
01:09:43,899 --> 01:09:47,600
the previous suspects did
afterward.

1186
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:49,800
He just went back to normal like
they kept him under

1187
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,800
surveillance.
He was he However, kind of

1188
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:55,500
pissed off that his co-workers
started calling him Green River,

1189
01:09:55,500 --> 01:09:58,800
Gary.
Well, sir, it won't be dumping

1190
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,200
bodies a Green River.
Well, it's kind of thing.

1191
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:03,900
I wondered if maybe he wasn't
getting the attention, he

1192
01:10:03,900 --> 01:10:06,500
wanted.
What do you got if you want the

1193
01:10:06,500 --> 01:10:09,200
attention of being a murderer of
being someone who controlled

1194
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:12,300
women?
Not being made, fun of my being

1195
01:10:12,300 --> 01:10:15,000
made fun of by his coworker?
Well, I'm sorry sir.

1196
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,500
But if you were my cool work I'd
make fun of you too.

1197
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:21,700
Well, 1987, they only discovered
the remains of one woman, Cindy

1198
01:10:21,700 --> 01:10:25,800
and Smith 17 when she went
missing in March of 1984, she

1199
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:30,000
was found on June.
He 7th, 1987 off of Highway, 89

1200
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,800
near Green River Community
College.

1201
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:37,200
James Pompey, didn't actually
get to be task force leader for

1202
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:42,400
very long because he went diving
in 1987 and he resurfaced to

1203
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,800
quickly God and died from a
pulmonary embolism.

1204
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:49,400
Why y'all do that?
Wait, just wait.

1205
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:52,300
Lieutenant, Greg Boyle took over
temporarily and it was given a

1206
01:10:52,300 --> 01:10:56,900
Bobby Evans in. 1987, the task
force actually had other losses.

1207
01:10:57,100 --> 01:10:59,400
To several detectives got
leukemia.

1208
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:01,700
During this time period had to
leave others.

1209
01:11:01,700 --> 01:11:04,500
Had heart problems.
One was just super depressed and

1210
01:11:04,500 --> 01:11:07,500
had a like breakdown and was
like I'm done being a police

1211
01:11:07,500 --> 01:11:12,200
officer forever over the course
of this five-year investigation.

1212
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:15,200
It took a toll on the people of
trying to find him.

1213
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:20,700
And then I was 1988.
They discovered Deborah.

1214
01:11:20,700 --> 01:11:23,500
Lorraine asked as she was 15,
when she been missing and she

1215
01:11:23,500 --> 01:11:27,500
been gone for nearly six years.
Wow, she was found on the 200

1216
01:11:27,500 --> 01:11:30,800
block of South 346 Street where
they were going to be building

1217
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:32,500
an apartment complex.
Now, they had started

1218
01:11:32,500 --> 01:11:37,000
construction there in 1982 and
they are getting around to the

1219
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:41,600
point of, I guess, adding a,
what's the word playground?

1220
01:11:42,100 --> 01:11:45,500
So, when they went to dig the
holes to put the swings in, they

1221
01:11:45,500 --> 01:11:52,500
found a o with skeletal remains.
Originally, they had they

1222
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:54,400
immediately took her body to
the.

1223
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:56,300
I mean, we're like we need to
know.

1224
01:11:56,900 --> 01:12:02,800
Has she been there since 1982?
Or was she put here more

1225
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:06,100
recently or put here?
Because originally when that

1226
01:12:06,100 --> 01:12:08,800
gets they raised the entire area
they flattened it.

1227
01:12:08,900 --> 01:12:12,600
They also just dropped a load of
dirt on the spot where they were

1228
01:12:12,608 --> 01:12:14,800
going to build.
So they were worried about

1229
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,300
whether she had been put in the
truck.

1230
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:19,100
Hmm.
But it was determined that she

1231
01:12:19,100 --> 01:12:23,200
died in 1982 so that was her
initial spot where they her body

1232
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:24,100
was dumped.
Okay?

1233
01:12:27,500 --> 01:12:35,300
her family had they really tried
like going so far as to Appear

1234
01:12:35,300 --> 01:12:39,500
on Oprah January of 88, like
months before they find her.

1235
01:12:40,900 --> 01:12:43,500
And they were asking for any
information, they could find

1236
01:12:43,500 --> 01:12:45,900
Deborah's.
Mom was like, listen if we can't

1237
01:12:45,900 --> 01:12:48,800
get her home maybe she'll be the
one to break the case.

1238
01:12:52,100 --> 01:12:56,400
This exploded the possibility of
murderers though, because over a

1239
01:12:56,400 --> 01:13:00,100
six-year period, there have been
hundreds of laborers, truck,

1240
01:13:00,100 --> 01:13:03,600
drivers electricians and
plumbers on the site, they had

1241
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,500
to get a master list of all the
contractors and began working

1242
01:13:06,500 --> 01:13:09,300
their way through it, connecting
that and to any of the potential

1243
01:13:09,300 --> 01:13:12,300
women on the list, testing the
paint chips found on her

1244
01:13:12,300 --> 01:13:14,600
clothing.
They discovered it was a very

1245
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:18,700
expensive paint called Ameren
manufactured by Dupont used on

1246
01:13:18,700 --> 01:13:23,800
commercial vehicles.
And if you remember someone, we

1247
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:28,500
talked about Painted commercial
vehicles for his entire career.

1248
01:13:30,900 --> 01:13:37,400
I don't remember.
Well, the first TV show about

1249
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:40,200
Gary Ridgway was released
September 7, 1988.

1250
01:13:41,100 --> 01:13:44,000
It was called Manhunt a chance
to end the Nightmare.

1251
01:13:44,300 --> 01:13:47,000
And this was kind of the task
force last ditch effort to try

1252
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:51,600
and find some information.
They talked to everybody

1253
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:57,200
families them are victims, the
FBI, all the detectives, they

1254
01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:00,300
got 16,000 phone calls that
night.

1255
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:04,400
And by the end of the week, they
had 2,000 new suspects.

1256
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:06,400
Nice.
Lovely.

1257
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:11,300
They found Andrea.
Well, here's the problem.

1258
01:14:11,300 --> 01:14:16,500
No, it didn't help at all.
What they already have the

1259
01:14:16,500 --> 01:14:19,000
person in their records and
they've interviewed him.

1260
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:23,000
Now three-time what knows he
might not be the guy you talking

1261
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:25,400
about your other people out
there.

1262
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:28,800
You'll go to the whole world.
Okay, well, they find Andrea

1263
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:32,400
Marie.
Chowder on October 9th, 1989

1264
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:34,600
buried near the South Airport
dump site.

1265
01:14:34,700 --> 01:14:39,100
She had been 17 when she went
missing April 14th, 1982.

1266
01:14:41,100 --> 01:14:46,200
Hmm, which lets us know that
he's been rotating these dump

1267
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:49,600
sites.
She probably was one of the

1268
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:52,600
first people to be left near the
airport.

1269
01:14:56,100 --> 01:15:00,900
So I'm saying this is so planned
out, so this me he had a list of

1270
01:15:00,900 --> 01:15:03,400
potential places.
He could drop the bodies, right?

1271
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:05,500
Yeah.
Never put one more than one

1272
01:15:05,500 --> 01:15:08,100
there at a given time.
Exactly.

1273
01:15:08,100 --> 01:15:10,600
Wow.
It's just that you guys found

1274
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:14,200
them at this one spot and then
you save it for a while

1275
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:16,800
searching and then they keep
finding more near they all come

1276
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:18,600
from like different time,
period.

1277
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:19,600
Yeah, it's not like he's
changed.

1278
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:22,100
He's not changing them.
While you're searching for

1279
01:15:22,100 --> 01:15:24,200
though.
He's like, rotating from spot to

1280
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:26,900
spot as he's killing.
With him, it's weird.

1281
01:15:26,900 --> 01:15:28,900
Yeah.
Well the task force fixate on a

1282
01:15:28,900 --> 01:15:33,600
guy named Bill Stevens he had a
mask kind of like Ridgeway but

1283
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,900
ultimately he wasn't the killer,
the guy was a liar who pretended

1284
01:15:36,900 --> 01:15:39,900
to be different important jobs
and he'd try and impress sex

1285
01:15:39,900 --> 01:15:42,100
workers.
It was weird.

1286
01:15:42,700 --> 01:15:45,900
Reflex where okay?
Okay, 1990 came.

1287
01:15:45,900 --> 01:15:49,000
The task force was on the verge
of just being completely cut,

1288
01:15:49,700 --> 01:15:52,500
most of the Manpower and the
money got pulled back into major

1289
01:15:52,500 --> 01:15:57,800
crime unit.
It was Pared down to 17 people

1290
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:01,700
by 1998, spent fifteen million
dollars.

1291
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:05,200
The public looks at it, like,
they had wasted a lot of money.

1292
01:16:06,100 --> 01:16:09,300
The thing is this task force did
have some pretty one like great

1293
01:16:09,300 --> 01:16:12,400
detectives.
I mean, literally it had the

1294
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:16,400
creators of the Behavioral
Science unit, who wrote the book

1295
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:19,800
on profiling, right attached to
this.

1296
01:16:20,900 --> 01:16:23,400
In fact, one of the Special
Agents from the FBI, his name

1297
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:28,100
was Paul Lindsay who had come on
in 1986 and really believed that

1298
01:16:28,100 --> 01:16:31,200
they could find the Green River.
Killer ended up telling Frank.

1299
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:42,500
Adamson Captain, I am humbled.
just like, We're the best of the

1300
01:16:42,500 --> 01:16:47,200
best and we're at a loss.
Dave Reichert, who had been

1301
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:49,500
there since the beginning as a
young detective.

1302
01:16:49,500 --> 01:16:53,600
Now, headlines on his face and
grey hair, some of the original

1303
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:57,600
task force had just retired.
Many of them just losing the

1304
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:04,300
will to keep fighting I kind of
had no sympathy for them.

1305
01:17:05,300 --> 01:17:07,500
Like, I feel bad that you all
spent.

1306
01:17:07,500 --> 01:17:10,400
This like, all this time, like
searching for this person that

1307
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:12,300
you've already interviewed,
like, three different times,

1308
01:17:12,300 --> 01:17:13,900
it's rough.
I see, because I don't feel like

1309
01:17:13,900 --> 01:17:17,600
this is the same thing as what
happened with Yorkshire Ripper.

1310
01:17:17,700 --> 01:17:20,500
I guess why?
I keep thinking of because one,

1311
01:17:20,500 --> 01:17:22,300
they also interviewed the
Yorkshire Ripper like nine

1312
01:17:22,300 --> 01:17:27,600
times, yeah.
But Like it was out of Dave

1313
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:30,000
records.
Like he didn't know how

1314
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:33,200
polygraph testing Merc wasn't
his fault that it was done

1315
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:35,400
wrong.
You know, like bringing

1316
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:38,900
offerings belief that he had
passed and back.

1317
01:17:38,900 --> 01:17:41,800
Then we put a lot more weight
and to polygraph testing than we

1318
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:42,800
do.
Now this is true.

1319
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:46,100
Yeah, so they were like oh this
guy passed the test, he's just a

1320
01:17:46,108 --> 01:17:51,100
weirdo, let's estimate again.
And the we have a history of

1321
01:17:51,100 --> 01:17:54,700
dealing of dealing with sex
workers but this is an area.

1322
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:59,200
Because of where the airport is,
that has a lot of sex workers

1323
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:01,600
and we've interviewed a lot of
men who enter, you know what I

1324
01:18:01,608 --> 01:18:05,600
mean?
So I understand what I everybody

1325
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:08,500
was really feeling kind of
demoralized because in the past

1326
01:18:08,500 --> 01:18:11,900
18 months, all of their top
suspects have been cleared.

1327
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:16,300
Except for Gary, Ridgway they
found Martha, Reeves September

1328
01:18:16,300 --> 01:18:20,900
of 1990, she'd actually gone
missing in 1990 as well and

1329
01:18:20,900 --> 01:18:23,900
like, it's really interesting
because in the Green River

1330
01:18:23,900 --> 01:18:26,700
Running book, Look.
I feel like an rule kind of

1331
01:18:26,700 --> 01:18:31,900
glossed over this, but this was
the first like fresh kill 1990.

1332
01:18:31,900 --> 01:18:38,900
Yeah, in like years.
Since like 84, he killed.

1333
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:43,500
He, she went missing in 1990 and
he killed her in 1990, that

1334
01:18:43,500 --> 01:18:45,200
meant he was back on his
bullshit.

1335
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:51,000
Yeah.
Marta had was 36.

1336
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:54,300
She's also one of the older
victims because normally he had

1337
01:18:54,300 --> 01:18:57,900
a thing for teenagers, she
called actually the night that

1338
01:18:57,900 --> 01:19:00,200
she went missing, she called her
husband and asked for money.

1339
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:03,400
He did not, he declined because
she had a serious cocaine

1340
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:09,800
problem and they were separated
She said kind of sadly.

1341
01:19:09,900 --> 01:19:11,300
Okay.
Then I'll have to work all

1342
01:19:11,300 --> 01:19:14,000
night.
Her husband, was he delivering

1343
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,600
the mail about a month later, it
had her driver's license in it.

1344
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:20,200
It's very common to, if you find
somebody's wallet or driver's

1345
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:22,400
license, you put it in the mail
and you deliver it back to their

1346
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:24,900
house, right?
So there's no guarantee that

1347
01:19:24,900 --> 01:19:27,800
that came from Gary Ridgway, but
he did go to the police with it

1348
01:19:28,100 --> 01:19:30,800
and by the time they tried
finger, it had been touched like

1349
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:34,800
12 different times.
They couldn't get clear print to

1350
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:36,600
put it through the database
anyway.

1351
01:19:36,900 --> 01:19:40,500
She was found ultimately near
Highway 410, one of his favorite

1352
01:19:40,500 --> 01:19:43,800
spots.
Over the next couple of years,

1353
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:47,400
they find Roberta Hayes on
September 11th 1991, missing

1354
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:51,300
since 87 Patricia bark.
Sack on February 3rd 1983,

1355
01:19:51,300 --> 01:19:55,500
missing since October of 86
Patricia, yellow robe, and

1356
01:19:55,500 --> 01:20:00,200
August of 1998, missing since
January of 1998, another one in

1357
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:05,200
the same year, just proof that
he hadn't stopped but he had

1358
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:07,500
slowed down so much that they
weren't gaining any new

1359
01:20:07,500 --> 01:20:09,800
information about the crime,
right?

1360
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:14,900
And then we came to 2001, Gary
secure, he's like, I fooled,

1361
01:20:14,900 --> 01:20:18,400
these cops their bums, I passed
that polygraph test.

1362
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:21,400
But if they pick me up again, I
won't take it again because, you

1363
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:28,700
know, maybe won't have faith.
Yeah, - a test them again, just

1364
01:20:28,700 --> 01:20:31,100
in.
Begin on the surface, the task

1365
01:20:31,100 --> 01:20:34,800
force was gone, but in reality,
it was kind of like just

1366
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:37,700
waiting.
Now, Frank Adamson had moved to

1367
01:20:37,700 --> 01:20:40,500
the new Criminal Justice Center,
South of the airport and he was

1368
01:20:40,500 --> 01:20:43,100
chief of criminal investigation.
Action Unit.

1369
01:20:43,300 --> 01:20:46,200
Bob keppel got a doctorate wrote
a couple books taught a course,

1370
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:48,500
called homicide of the
University of Washington.

1371
01:20:48,500 --> 01:20:50,400
It was wildly popular.
Hmm.

1372
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:54,100
Dave Reichert continue to move
up through the ranks when the

1373
01:20:54,100 --> 01:20:56,400
police chief in King County
decided to move on to the

1374
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:59,500
suburbs, they actually offered
the job of police chief to

1375
01:20:59,500 --> 01:21:05,300
Adamson but he passed on it.
Dave was almost 50 and He

1376
01:21:05,300 --> 01:21:08,800
decided he wanted to be police
chief of King County.

1377
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:13,500
In fact, in rural actually
helped him campaign to get the

1378
01:21:13,500 --> 01:21:14,800
job.
Nice.

1379
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:17,300
So one of the main cops on the
ground, with the Green River

1380
01:21:17,300 --> 01:21:20,400
task, force meant that it wasn't
over.

1381
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:26,800
Sodium DNA sequencing, a come a
long time in a decade or so, and

1382
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:28,800
they still had those hair and
saliva samples.

1383
01:21:29,300 --> 01:21:34,700
So they have this new technique
and it had been developed in

1384
01:21:34,700 --> 01:21:40,100
1996 and the state has started
running evidence through the new

1385
01:21:40,100 --> 01:21:46,200
system with the do need new DNA
evidence, but With the way the

1386
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:49,500
backlog, there was just a
tremendous backlog, so it would

1387
01:21:49,500 --> 01:21:53,200
take five years before Gary.
Ridgway's sample, that he gave

1388
01:21:53,300 --> 01:21:56,500
to get properly sequenced and
put in the system, right?

1389
01:21:56,500 --> 01:22:00,300
Yeah.
In the meantime though, Dave's

1390
01:22:00,300 --> 01:22:04,100
like, listen, we're going to go
through all the old evidence.

1391
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:09,500
And he sends it to Beverly
hemic, who's part of the

1392
01:22:09,500 --> 01:22:13,900
Washington State Patrol crime
lab and they rent all the

1393
01:22:13,900 --> 01:22:16,400
fingernails of the victims to
look for trace evidence.

1394
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:21,100
They swab, any ligature marks
that they had for cellular you

1395
01:22:21,100 --> 01:22:25,000
know data this is actually
probably the grossest detail in

1396
01:22:25,008 --> 01:22:28,600
the whole thing so they still
have pubic hair from a victim

1397
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:34,800
and when they went and looked at
it under a microscope, there

1398
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:39,900
were Still a couple of sperm
cells what clinging to a piece

1399
01:22:39,900 --> 01:22:43,900
of hair.
How what they found three

1400
01:22:43,900 --> 01:22:50,600
different good bits of DNA from
three different women, three

1401
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:57,100
different victims and then they
had that sequence, DNA profile

1402
01:22:57,500 --> 01:23:03,000
from Gary Ridgway and all three
victims matched.

1403
01:23:03,300 --> 01:23:12,200
Oh ho ho Somewhere.
They came down on him hard.

1404
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:16,000
He was 52 and still arrogant as
ever.

1405
01:23:16,100 --> 01:23:19,100
He was charged with Marcia
Chapman opal Mills Cynthia,

1406
01:23:19,100 --> 01:23:23,100
Hines and Carol and Christiansen
on November 30th 2001.

1407
01:23:23,500 --> 01:23:27,600
There was a lot of Triumph in
Washington state and Rule said

1408
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:30,300
in her book, that she saved the
voicemail she got from Dave

1409
01:23:30,300 --> 01:23:34,700
Reichert which was him calling
and yelling into the phone.

1410
01:23:34,900 --> 01:23:40,100
We've arrested the Green River.
Killer I just love that I would

1411
01:23:40,100 --> 01:23:43,300
do the same.
Oh my God.

1412
01:23:43,300 --> 01:23:49,200
Yes, now I will let you know how
much time passed so in rule as

1413
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:55,000
written a lot of books and she
was involved with kind of

1414
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:57,700
talking to the people who
worked, the Green, River case

1415
01:23:57,900 --> 01:24:01,800
from 1982 and on, and the time
period from the time that first

1416
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:04,100
murder happened to the time they
caught him.

1417
01:24:04,300 --> 01:24:11,600
She wrote 19 books About
different cases, that's a books.

1418
01:24:12,100 --> 01:24:16,200
It had really been a long time
for a lot of people, but it

1419
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:19,000
wasn't over yet.
Now the task force is like,

1420
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:22,200
nooner know he's responsible for
way more than four.

1421
01:24:22,900 --> 01:24:27,000
So now, they're like, task force
reanimated.

1422
01:24:27,700 --> 01:24:31,300
They pull everybody back.
They pour over every single

1423
01:24:31,300 --> 01:24:32,800
detail.
They have about Ridgeway

1424
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:35,300
discovering discrepancies from
his prior.

1425
01:24:35,300 --> 01:24:37,400
Testimony that hadn't seemed
back in.

1426
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:40,700
Important back then, like him
lying about the fact that his

1427
01:24:40,700 --> 01:24:43,000
first wife wasn't a skinny
blond.

1428
01:24:43,500 --> 01:24:45,400
Really?
She had been overweight and a

1429
01:24:45,407 --> 01:24:48,500
brunette and her weight loss had
triggered his insecurities.

1430
01:24:48,900 --> 01:24:51,800
He had a weird thing about
blondes, he like in a real

1431
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:54,000
creepy way and one of the
interviews I read from him, he

1432
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:56,800
talked about how blondes were
special.

1433
01:24:59,300 --> 01:25:04,500
Then the task force began.
Just the awful task of

1434
01:25:04,500 --> 01:25:08,000
interviewing.
Everyone who had known Gary

1435
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:12,600
Ridgway.
Ever or worked with him ever?

1436
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:14,800
Well Gary.
Yeah, he seemed a little weird

1437
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:16,800
but you know, he's just the
everyday guy.

1438
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:20,400
Well, no, actually one of his
former co-workers recounted a

1439
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:23,900
story where he had given her a
ride home and they were talking

1440
01:25:23,900 --> 01:25:27,800
about the case and he kept
asking her like oh they they

1441
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:31,200
deserve what happened to And
those prostitutes and you never

1442
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:34,500
be a prostitute, would you?
And she realized in hindsight,

1443
01:25:34,500 --> 01:25:38,700
like, holy hell, I guess I
answered his questions

1444
01:25:38,700 --> 01:25:41,700
correctly.
When he have killed me, if I

1445
01:25:41,700 --> 01:25:44,400
told him that I would consider
being a prostitute.

1446
01:25:45,100 --> 01:25:47,300
Anybody would, that's what I'm
saying?

1447
01:25:47,300 --> 01:25:49,400
Everybody's got a price, I feel
like everybody's got a price.

1448
01:25:49,900 --> 01:25:55,000
That's just me, though.
Personally, oh my God.

1449
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:57,500
I remember them talking about
what's-her-name China.

1450
01:25:57,700 --> 01:25:59,700
Yeah.
But like they, Like so-and-so

1451
01:25:59,700 --> 01:26:02,600
paid her 50 thousand dollars to
be in the threesome with them.

1452
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:06,400
I'm like that's a lot of money.
That's more than most people

1453
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:13,600
make a year to go be with t.i.
entitled that's good - oh my God

1454
01:26:13,900 --> 01:26:18,300
and tax-free yes just saying
everybody's got a price but

1455
01:26:18,300 --> 01:26:20,800
regardless what yeah one of his
co-workers he like gave her a

1456
01:26:20,808 --> 01:26:23,500
ride home and like was real
creepy and she was just like I'm

1457
01:26:23,500 --> 01:26:26,500
not going to take a ride from
Gary anymore because it's true.

1458
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:31,000
A lot of stuff.
They real, they learn the real

1459
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:32,600
reason.
His marriage has failed and

1460
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:36,800
because he tried to choke her
several times and interviewing

1461
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:39,600
his second wife, that's when
they learned about all the

1462
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:41,800
different places that he liked
to go and have sex with and how

1463
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:44,600
those ended up being places.
He eventually dumped the bodies,

1464
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:48,800
they interviewed Judith as well
and she was completely none.

1465
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:52,700
The wiser super blindsided they
spent hours upon hours talking

1466
01:26:52,700 --> 01:26:54,800
to his son Chad, and that's how
they learned.

1467
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:58,000
That Gary had maintained the
facade of being like a good

1468
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:00,000
father.
They actually originally placed

1469
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:03,800
him in an ultra security cell in
King County jail, so that guards

1470
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:06,700
could watch him 24/7.
They were worried that he might

1471
01:27:06,700 --> 01:27:10,400
and himself.
His mug shot was on the cover of

1472
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:13,500
every newspaper in North America
and and Rule didn't remember

1473
01:27:13,700 --> 01:27:18,100
ever meeting him.
But apparently, Gary, Ridgway

1474
01:27:18,100 --> 01:27:22,300
new, an and knew that an was
looking into his case because

1475
01:27:22,300 --> 01:27:24,900
her daughter Leslie called her
the next day.

1476
01:27:24,900 --> 01:27:28,600
December.
First and said he was at a book

1477
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:36,800
signing, So apparently, Leslie
told her mom that he'd show up,

1478
01:27:37,700 --> 01:27:40,300
didn't pick up a book, didn't
buy anything, and he would just

1479
01:27:40,300 --> 01:27:43,500
stare at, and the entire time,
like it bothered her and brought

1480
01:27:43,500 --> 01:27:46,700
her so much that she had told
her, there was a weird guy here

1481
01:27:46,700 --> 01:27:51,200
who was staring at you, but and
was just like, this is what

1482
01:27:51,500 --> 01:27:53,100
celebrity.
Yeah, it's part of being a

1483
01:27:53,108 --> 01:27:55,800
celebrity.
Yeah, apparently Leslie had also

1484
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:59,000
seen him at some of her mom's
speaking engagements to.

1485
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:00,700
So she had been keeping an eye
out.

1486
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:03,700
For this weird guy.
One of those speaking

1487
01:28:03,700 --> 01:28:07,600
engagements and said, no one
knows who the Green River Killer

1488
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:09,400
is or what he looks like for
all.

1489
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:14,000
I know he could be sitting here
tonight and he was home on

1490
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:17,100
because he wanted to know what
she knew about him.

1491
01:28:18,100 --> 01:28:19,700
Talking about a creepy
situation.

1492
01:28:19,700 --> 01:28:23,300
Yeah.
Oh my God, they went back.

1493
01:28:23,300 --> 01:28:25,600
They looked over all the old
crime scenes, with new crime

1494
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:28,800
Tech's.
There were some, I couldn't get

1495
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:31,300
to you because they had been
built on or paved over.

1496
01:28:31,700 --> 01:28:35,000
They completely ripped apart the
Ridgeway house, he was formally

1497
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:37,600
charged with four murders on
December 5th.

1498
01:28:37,700 --> 01:28:41,400
And then December 8, the
governor allocated 500,000

1499
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:45,600
dollars for DNA, testing the
other 45 victims to see if they

1500
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:50,100
could be connected to him too.
Captain Bruce Caitlin took over

1501
01:28:50,100 --> 01:28:52,800
the task force, they began
quietly.

1502
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:55,900
Buying all of his old trucks
that they could find a lot of

1503
01:28:55,900 --> 01:28:59,700
them were scrapped and you know,
push them a little squares but

1504
01:28:59,700 --> 01:29:01,500
they did find a few in his
house.

1505
01:29:01,500 --> 01:29:04,500
They also cataloged every bead
every piece of jewelry that they

1506
01:29:04,500 --> 01:29:09,300
could find it belonged to them.
Now the task force got to move

1507
01:29:09,300 --> 01:29:11,400
into a fancy new building in the
beginning of March.

1508
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:14,000
In 2002, ye not one that's
falling apart.

1509
01:29:14,100 --> 01:29:17,800
Awesome.
Now there was funding To try and

1510
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:20,500
connect him to these 48, murders
the time.

1511
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:24,000
The 14 investigators kept all
this information close to their

1512
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:26,100
chest though.
The information they were

1513
01:29:26,100 --> 01:29:29,200
sorting through was Monumental
and they didn't want any of this

1514
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:31,900
getting out.
They actually recovered his work

1515
01:29:31,900 --> 01:29:35,200
overalls from his job.
And those paint specs that they

1516
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:38,100
had found.
They found, they found paint

1517
01:29:38,100 --> 01:29:42,300
specs on eight different people
and they were able to confirm

1518
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:45,600
Wendy Coffield had that same
pain on her.

1519
01:29:45,700 --> 01:29:49,900
Deborah asked is Deborah Bonner.
So they charged him with those

1520
01:29:49,900 --> 01:29:52,800
murders on March 27th.
Yeah, nice.

1521
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:55,500
Now, interestingly enough,
normally with the passage of

1522
01:29:55,500 --> 01:29:59,800
time it makes it harder to make
to fix things but because

1523
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,100
forensic capabilities had
improved so greatly and this

1524
01:30:03,100 --> 01:30:06,400
like 15 year time period.
This was actually better for

1525
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:11,600
them and just all I can say is
thank God that Dame Reichert and

1526
01:30:11,900 --> 01:30:17,100
Dick kraske were as meticulous
as they were with the the crime

1527
01:30:17,100 --> 01:30:21,700
scenes because there's A lot of
cases that got blundered in the

1528
01:30:21,700 --> 01:30:25,300
80s and 70s, it was running over
a price because people just

1529
01:30:25,300 --> 01:30:27,700
walked through the crime scenes
and messed him all up, right?

1530
01:30:27,700 --> 01:30:29,700
Right.
There was a situation at the,

1531
01:30:29,700 --> 01:30:33,800
the river with those first three
bodies where dick craft actually

1532
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:38,600
noticed that they had put the
bodies in the wrong back.

1533
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:41,300
Like the names were messed up
and he was like, stop stop stop.

1534
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:47,500
We got to redo this whole thing,
so like at least the two of them

1535
01:30:47,500 --> 01:30:49,000
had been so mad.
Nicholas.

1536
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:53,100
Because now we had all this
evidence to go retest again.

1537
01:30:55,500 --> 01:30:59,500
So they were moving towards
having a trial in 2004 of course

1538
01:30:59,500 --> 01:31:01,800
we never get to a trial there
was a deal.

1539
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:05,200
Negotiated on June 13th 2003
that said if they agreed not to

1540
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:08,000
seek the death penalty against
him, he would plead guilty to

1541
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:11,200
all the homicides in King
County, the ones the police know

1542
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:15,200
about and the ones they didn't
implying.

1543
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:19,700
There's some you don't know
about Now something must have

1544
01:31:19,700 --> 01:31:21,900
happened with that deal because
originally they said it didn't

1545
01:31:21,900 --> 01:31:25,800
go through but there were four
more sets of remains that were

1546
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:29,500
found in 2003 Pammy and not
aven't.

1547
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:32,600
She's fed on August 16th, 2003
15.

1548
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:36,300
When she went missing in 83 the
woman currently known as Jane.

1549
01:31:36,300 --> 01:31:40,500
Doe be 20 found on August 21st,
2003, April butcher.

1550
01:31:40,500 --> 01:31:43,400
Mm found August 30th.
She been missing since August

1551
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:47,400
18th 1983.
Now, the task force does

1552
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:49,700
something.
Here that is completely off the

1553
01:31:49,708 --> 01:31:53,800
wall.
See when someone's in prison,

1554
01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:56,500
everything they do is being
loved, right?

1555
01:31:56,500 --> 01:31:59,400
Other prisoners are watching
guards, you're watching

1556
01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:01,900
information gets leaked people,
talk about things.

1557
01:32:03,300 --> 01:32:07,200
The task force didn't want that.
So what they did was they pretty

1558
01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:11,000
much told the governor.
We're going to keep him here at

1559
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:13,000
the building where the task
force says.

1560
01:32:14,100 --> 01:32:16,800
For you'll be under armed
guards, they literally made a

1561
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:20,200
cell for him.
So at the office, that's the

1562
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:22,500
Green River, task force, that's
his prison.

1563
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:25,200
They made their own present for
him, huh?

1564
01:32:26,300 --> 01:32:28,500
They kept him living down the
hall from where they were

1565
01:32:28,500 --> 01:32:32,300
investigating him 24 hours a day
and they would just show up and

1566
01:32:32,300 --> 01:32:36,500
come talk to him and kind of
mess with them like just be

1567
01:32:36,508 --> 01:32:38,100
like, all right time for
interview.

1568
01:32:38,100 --> 01:32:40,400
It's like middle of night.
Oh my God.

1569
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:44,100
When he finally started talking
though, he started talking a

1570
01:32:44,100 --> 01:32:47,900
lot.
He spoke to psychiatrist FBI

1571
01:32:47,900 --> 01:32:51,000
agents homicide detectives.
He was almost like happy about

1572
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:53,100
the attention.
He went out with the

1573
01:32:53,100 --> 01:32:56,200
investigators and began showing
them where bodies were and

1574
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:59,000
connecting the dots that they
didn't have fully connected.

1575
01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:05,300
On September 26th 2003, he even
alerted them to the body of

1576
01:33:05,300 --> 01:33:09,900
Marie Malvern, the one that
started them looking into him

1577
01:33:09,900 --> 01:33:13,900
from the beginning.
When she'd been the one who was

1578
01:33:13,900 --> 01:33:16,500
seeing getting into his crappy,
Crappy.

1579
01:33:16,500 --> 01:33:20,400
Their little truck on April 30th
1983.

1580
01:33:23,500 --> 01:33:25,500
He was like, yeah, yeah, you
were right.

1581
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:28,400
I did kill her.
You know, who, you know, who,

1582
01:33:30,300 --> 01:33:33,700
Well, so interestingly enough
while Ridgeway enjoyed the

1583
01:33:33,700 --> 01:33:37,200
attention, sometimes they'd find
a detail or something on a map

1584
01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:39,100
and they pull them out of bed
and cuff him and take him out in

1585
01:33:39,108 --> 01:33:41,200
like the middle of the night
over the course of the

1586
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:43,100
interviews.
He came clean to all forty eight

1587
01:33:43,100 --> 01:33:45,500
murders, specifically those in
King County because that was the

1588
01:33:45,500 --> 01:33:48,200
deal that they made.
And as I said last week, there

1589
01:33:48,200 --> 01:33:52,100
is a theory that he has other
victims in other areas, but

1590
01:33:52,100 --> 01:33:55,600
since he very desperately wants
to stay alive, he's not going to

1591
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:59,500
say anything, right?
Now, Ridgeway claimed that he

1592
01:33:59,500 --> 01:34:01,400
would kill whenever he got
angry.

1593
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:03,600
These were never premeditated
murders.

1594
01:34:03,900 --> 01:34:07,700
And he blamed those rages on the
women around him like the women

1595
01:34:07,700 --> 01:34:11,100
at his job getting raises or
promotions when he didn't, or

1596
01:34:11,100 --> 01:34:14,200
when he would have to pay child
support for his son, which side

1597
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:16,600
note, you got to pay child
support every month buddy.

1598
01:34:16,600 --> 01:34:20,200
So once a month you just get mad
and go on a random Killing Spree

1599
01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:29,200
quickly. or like he got mad when
he bought the house and he said

1600
01:34:29,200 --> 01:34:33,800
that the The sellers were so
cheap that they taking all the

1601
01:34:33,808 --> 01:34:39,500
light bulbs out of the house.
Well, he said, he would get so

1602
01:34:39,500 --> 01:34:41,900
angry that he couldn't sleep and
he had to just go out and

1603
01:34:41,900 --> 01:34:47,500
relieve the pressure.
Yeah, we know this is a lie that

1604
01:34:47,500 --> 01:34:48,400
he told him.
Yeah.

1605
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:51,500
Because he kept telling
investigators over and over all

1606
01:34:51,500 --> 01:34:53,300
I want to do was have sex with
them and kill them.

1607
01:34:53,700 --> 01:34:55,900
He didn't remember any of the
women's faces, but he knew in

1608
01:34:55,900 --> 01:34:59,700
startling detail everywhere that
he had dropped a body, he worked

1609
01:34:59,700 --> 01:35:01,400
through years of memories with
them.

1610
01:35:01,700 --> 01:35:05,000
He talked about keeping toys in
his car, so the victims would be

1611
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:07,700
disarmed.
He admitted to bring some of

1612
01:35:07,700 --> 01:35:12,300
them back to the house.
Showing them his son's room.

1613
01:35:14,100 --> 01:35:18,200
And actually he and that's what
he says, not premeditated, but

1614
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:22,700
he learned that when you kill
someone, sometimes their bladder

1615
01:35:22,700 --> 01:35:29,000
goes so he would make the women
go to the bathroom before so

1616
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:32,500
that they had an empty bladder.
So that when he murdered them it

1617
01:35:32,500 --> 01:35:37,400
wouldn't make a mess on his bed,
smart, I guess.

1618
01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:42,700
He also discovered through trial
and error that if they were

1619
01:35:42,700 --> 01:35:46,200
having sex in doggy style, that
was the best way to kill them.

1620
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:48,500
Oh, so you can talk to her from
behind, right?

1621
01:35:48,500 --> 01:35:51,000
He would say, oh, I heard
somebody, if they were outside

1622
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:53,600
and the girl would look up and
he would reach over and grab her

1623
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:57,800
behind the neck and choked her
out or if they were near the

1624
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:00,800
airport and airplane went
overhead and the girl looked up,

1625
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:02,200
that would be the moment he
grabbed her.

1626
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:09,200
One of the things I was really
intrigued by is that usually

1627
01:36:09,500 --> 01:36:12,800
Killers like this, have a racial
preference, a physical

1628
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:15,700
preference for their victims and
like well I said he didn't have

1629
01:36:15,700 --> 01:36:18,000
like a thing, he really liked
blondes, you only killed like

1630
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:20,500
five.
He really didn't have any

1631
01:36:20,500 --> 01:36:23,100
preference for his victims
because they had virtually no

1632
01:36:23,100 --> 01:36:25,700
meaning to him.
They were just a means to an

1633
01:36:25,700 --> 01:36:27,300
end.
They were blank voids in his

1634
01:36:27,300 --> 01:36:30,400
memory.
He admitted the choking them was

1635
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:32,300
more rewarding than shooting
them, though.

1636
01:36:32,300 --> 01:36:36,400
He did threaten them with guns,
These are also the interviews

1637
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:40,400
where he references being
cuckolded by his wife and like I

1638
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:45,100
said, I looked far and wide for
any proof that this happened,

1639
01:36:45,300 --> 01:36:49,900
outside of Gary, ridgway's mind
the investigators didn't believe

1640
01:36:49,900 --> 01:36:53,200
it either because he had many
consensual girlfriends while he

1641
01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:55,800
was doing this between 1982 and
84.

1642
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:59,100
Yeah, no one was cheating on you
or cuckold and you then buddy.

1643
01:36:59,500 --> 01:37:03,200
No one else.
No partially through these

1644
01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:05,300
interviews.
He starts mentioning The other

1645
01:37:05,300 --> 01:37:08,600
Gary.
And so he starts talking about,

1646
01:37:08,700 --> 01:37:11,900
I know, I'm sorry.
Oh God, come on, just talking

1647
01:37:11,900 --> 01:37:15,500
about the other Gary who's
stronger and angrier and this

1648
01:37:15,500 --> 01:37:18,600
Gary's mad because the police
have complete control over him.

1649
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:23,200
And the old Gary would talk
about murdering and the new Gary

1650
01:37:23,200 --> 01:37:25,900
said he never had any sex with
corpses now.

1651
01:37:25,900 --> 01:37:27,700
They weren't sure if he was
trying to present himself as

1652
01:37:27,700 --> 01:37:30,400
being mentally ill, but
regardless, he was telling them

1653
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:33,100
the facts and that's all that
mattered to them.

1654
01:37:34,900 --> 01:37:37,000
This is also when he told them
that that jewelry that they had

1655
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:40,300
been looking for his trophies,
he had left those things at the

1656
01:37:40,300 --> 01:37:47,000
airport and also at his job.
So he would leave pieces of

1657
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:51,800
Jewelry in the bathrooms and
then he would get like a little

1658
01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:58,100
high whenever he would see.
The women at his job, wearing

1659
01:37:58,100 --> 01:38:02,900
those pieces.
And that kept them out of his

1660
01:38:02,900 --> 01:38:06,500
house.
Come on, come on.

1661
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:09,300
He also admitted that he hated
how much control women out over

1662
01:38:09,300 --> 01:38:11,200
him and he always hated it.
Oh my God.

1663
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:13,000
Shut up.
Oh, the police.

1664
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:15,800
How exhausting it was to have to
wear, gloves, and change his

1665
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:18,900
shoes, or tires all the time.
So that they wouldn't be able to

1666
01:38:18,900 --> 01:38:21,700
find him.
Well, don't do it.

1667
01:38:22,100 --> 01:38:25,100
The real Clincher do was enter
his interviews with dr.

1668
01:38:25,100 --> 01:38:28,500
Mary Ellen.
O'Toole, she got him to talk

1669
01:38:28,500 --> 01:38:32,300
about his childhood.
Now she intrigued him by saying

1670
01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:36,400
she wouldn't talk to him and she
said, listen, the FBI doesn't

1671
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:39,600
care about how many bodies a
person has like, there's plenty

1672
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:41,300
of crimes, we don't interject
into.

1673
01:38:41,300 --> 01:38:45,300
Hmm, she said I need to go
through a verification process

1674
01:38:45,300 --> 01:38:47,100
with you to see if you're worth
my time.

1675
01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:52,600
He's like, okay.
She's like the verification

1676
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:54,500
process.
As you got to tell me about your

1677
01:38:54,500 --> 01:38:59,700
childhood.
So she walked so Gary walked her

1678
01:38:59,700 --> 01:39:02,200
through a lot of the things we
talked about last week, right?

1679
01:39:02,900 --> 01:39:05,300
He told dr.
Atul that he thought his victims

1680
01:39:05,300 --> 01:39:09,900
bodies belonged to him as long
as they weren't discovered and

1681
01:39:09,900 --> 01:39:14,700
he admitted to all sorts of
sexual compulsions do you know

1682
01:39:14,700 --> 01:39:17,100
what fra tourism is?
Because I didn't hear that word

1683
01:39:17,100 --> 01:39:20,000
before.
Broader is broader is MM no I

1684
01:39:20,008 --> 01:39:22,200
have no idea.
Well apparently this started

1685
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:27,300
when he was young fra tourism is
when you rub your Genitals on.

1686
01:39:27,300 --> 01:39:30,400
Somebody else without their
consent.

1687
01:39:30,500 --> 01:39:34,100
I think I have heard of this new
word for Brittany.

1688
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:39,600
Never heard of that in my life.
He also would expose himself to

1689
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:41,900
people when he was younger.
He stalked women that started

1690
01:39:41,900 --> 01:39:43,800
when he was 12.
Where is MM?

1691
01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:48,100
Rape murder for sexual release
and yes he absolutely admitted

1692
01:39:48,100 --> 01:39:51,700
straight up to dr.
O'Toole necrophilia.

1693
01:39:52,500 --> 01:39:55,500
He even discussed how he and
moves skeletons to Oregon so

1694
01:39:55,500 --> 01:39:58,400
that the police wouldn't find
their bodies and wouldn't take

1695
01:39:58,400 --> 01:40:01,300
them from him.
All his porch Willie's.

1696
01:40:02,300 --> 01:40:04,300
Take his toys away.
Now dr.

1697
01:40:04,300 --> 01:40:07,500
O'Toole was the one who zeroed
in on a how awful Gary's Ship

1698
01:40:07,500 --> 01:40:11,100
with his mother was and how
those baths that creeped us out,

1699
01:40:11,300 --> 01:40:14,200
had been very stimulating for
Gary and that he would get a

1700
01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:18,400
hard-on while she was cleaning
him and he would see his want.

1701
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:20,800
He looked at his mom, like she
was one of the women in like the

1702
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:26,200
nude magazines and that he would
like peek at her and like sneak

1703
01:40:26,200 --> 01:40:29,600
looks at her, if she leaned
down, like he would like look

1704
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:35,400
through her shirt.
That when she measured him for

1705
01:40:35,400 --> 01:40:39,000
close, he would get turned on
and see.

1706
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:42,100
That's why one of the things
that I like struggle with is

1707
01:40:42,100 --> 01:40:46,400
that story that he told her
about how his mom used to tell

1708
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:49,400
them stories about how.
When she would measure men at

1709
01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:55,100
the park, our department store,
she could like see their

1710
01:40:55,100 --> 01:40:57,700
hard-ons.
I'm like, is this you

1711
01:40:57,700 --> 01:40:59,700
projecting?
Yes.

1712
01:40:59,700 --> 01:41:03,300
Oh my God.
Make.

1713
01:41:03,300 --> 01:41:06,600
Someone said he insisted though.
He never touched his mother but

1714
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:09,500
that seeing her nude made him
want to touch other women.

1715
01:41:09,700 --> 01:41:13,400
And that started when he was 10,
he said he never resented his

1716
01:41:13,400 --> 01:41:14,800
mother but he did want to stab
her.

1717
01:41:15,700 --> 01:41:18,700
And he started stalking women at
12 years old and that he had

1718
01:41:18,700 --> 01:41:21,700
necrophilia desires long before
he ever actually did it.

1719
01:41:21,800 --> 01:41:24,800
Hmm, he pled.
Guilty, officially on November

1720
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:28,700
5th, 2003, and he was given 48
consecutive life sentences on

1721
01:41:28,700 --> 01:41:34,500
December 18th, 2003, They would
find one more victim.

1722
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:38,600
December 21st. 2010, her name
was Rebecca Marrero.

1723
01:41:38,700 --> 01:41:42,500
She was 20 when she went
missing, December 3rd 1992,

1724
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:46,700
Becky at left her son with her
mom and said it like made a joke

1725
01:41:46,700 --> 01:41:48,600
saying she was going away for a
long time.

1726
01:41:50,700 --> 01:41:52,900
Her mom kind of took her
seriously and didn't report her

1727
01:41:52,900 --> 01:41:59,000
missing until 1984 Her skull was
found at the bottom of a

1728
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:02,300
200-foot ravine, which is
interesting.

1729
01:42:02,300 --> 01:42:05,900
Because in his interviews, Gary
talked about wanting to be able

1730
01:42:05,900 --> 01:42:09,400
to find one of those bottomless
Minds that they say are in

1731
01:42:09,400 --> 01:42:12,000
Washington.
So perhaps he thought he had

1732
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:15,100
gotten rid of Becky by throwing
her into the ravine.

1733
01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:21,500
They added one more life
sentence to his 48.

1734
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:25,000
Just after his 62nd birthday.
Oh my God.

1735
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:29,300
And so what else happened to the
other people involved in this

1736
01:42:29,300 --> 01:42:31,900
case?
Well, Dave Reichert went on to

1737
01:42:31,900 --> 01:42:34,900
be the US Representative to
Washington's 8th Congressional

1738
01:42:34,900 --> 01:42:40,400
District from 2005 to 2009 teen.
He is now retired Stu Peters

1739
01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:45,000
took some time off went to
Africa on a safari in 2004 then

1740
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:48,100
she came back and Began trying
to find the identities of the

1741
01:42:48,100 --> 01:42:51,000
unknown victims.
She along with Detective Denny

1742
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:54,000
gulla create a program called
the highway intelligence team

1743
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:57,800
hit and that team goes, and
checks on the working girls near

1744
01:42:57,800 --> 01:43:00,100
the sea.
Tack strip not to arrest them,

1745
01:43:00,100 --> 01:43:02,300
but to let them know they are
resources and that they're there

1746
01:43:02,300 --> 01:43:05,000
to help, they have been able to
help women.

1747
01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:07,900
They've had people call them in
the middle of the night.

1748
01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:14,000
They also log these women's
scars and dental records, smart,

1749
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:16,000
very when some of the young
women.

1750
01:43:16,100 --> 01:43:21,500
Asks, here's why she says so
something like this happens

1751
01:43:21,500 --> 01:43:23,100
again we can find you.
Yeah.

1752
01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:27,800
Randy mulanax were ran a seminar
for law enforcement agencies

1753
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:30,400
around the country to teach
them, about what they learned

1754
01:43:30,400 --> 01:43:33,300
about.
The Green River Killer Bob,

1755
01:43:33,300 --> 01:43:36,100
gabo, edged, writing her and
Kevin O'Keefe went back to

1756
01:43:36,100 --> 01:43:38,800
Seattle PD.
Frank Adamson retired, Richard

1757
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:43,100
kraske retired but Colwell
retired medical examiner, Donald

1758
01:43:43,100 --> 01:43:45,800
Rhea retired.
He lives on an island where he

1759
01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:48,000
learns about boat murder Motors
and stuff.

1760
01:43:48,300 --> 01:43:51,800
Nice, big Bill hagelin worked,
identifying bodies in foreign

1761
01:43:51,800 --> 01:43:53,700
countries until he died and
chain 21.

1762
01:43:54,500 --> 01:43:57,400
Along with Bill Danny, Nolan,
Paul Smith, Ralph without

1763
01:43:57,400 --> 01:44:00,400
McAllister, Kim Pompey.
Jim, sorry.

1764
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:04,000
I said Kim Jim Pompey, dr.
John, Baird bridge and Tony

1765
01:44:04,200 --> 01:44:09,800
Zagora all died.
After this case, Matt Haney

1766
01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:13,000
became chief of police on
Bainbridge Island in Washington.

1767
01:44:13,100 --> 01:44:18,000
Hmm, Robert Capa was a professor
in criminology until his death.

1768
01:44:18,200 --> 01:44:21,500
This year.
In June of 2021, Chad Ridgeway

1769
01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:27,000
is a Marine most of the victims
and Gary's Ex-Wives and anyone

1770
01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:30,600
who had anything to do with him
in that vein have no interest in

1771
01:44:31,100 --> 01:44:34,300
being involved in anything good
smart.

1772
01:44:34,600 --> 01:44:37,600
Like I told you last time, Judy
has finally made it to a place

1773
01:44:38,300 --> 01:44:41,200
where she can be in a
relationship and trust people

1774
01:44:41,200 --> 01:44:42,900
again right.
Yeah she's dating again right.

1775
01:44:42,900 --> 01:44:43,400
Great.
Yeah.

1776
01:44:43,400 --> 01:44:45,500
She has a boyfriend named David.
Yay Judah.

1777
01:44:45,500 --> 01:44:50,400
Yes and Gary is serving his
sentence in Washington State

1778
01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:53,100
Penitentiary and Walla Walla.
Washington.

1779
01:44:53,700 --> 01:44:56,800
He will never be released.
Yay.

1780
01:44:57,800 --> 01:44:59,800
And there is the story of Gary
Ridgway.

1781
01:45:00,400 --> 01:45:03,000
Look at that.
That was good one, and you

1782
01:45:03,008 --> 01:45:05,600
finished it on our 40th episode.
I did.

1783
01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:11,600
That was the goal here.
But now you see why I couldn't

1784
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:15,900
do it in one.
No, no, no, that just cut my

1785
01:45:15,900 --> 01:45:17,900
whole part out, just you just
talked a whole episode.

1786
01:45:17,900 --> 01:45:21,800
Go right ahead for an hour and
45 minutes right now, my God

1787
01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:38,900
never mind.
What did you have talked about

1788
01:45:38,900 --> 01:45:40,700
this week?
Oh well, you see.

1789
01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:51,700
This week and Ryan's world.
So, Halloween's over.

1790
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:56,700
Yeah, everybody hope everybody
had their got their festivities

1791
01:45:56,700 --> 01:45:59,600
out of their system.
Like, I mean, whatever you

1792
01:45:59,600 --> 01:46:04,200
enjoyed yourselves and then you
celebrated the next day, which

1793
01:46:04,200 --> 01:46:06,000
would be the day of the dead.
If you do, celebrate the Day of

1794
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:08,100
that, someone actually asked me
that in my lab, the other day.

1795
01:46:08,100 --> 01:46:10,100
They were like, do you celebrate
today the dot?

1796
01:46:10,100 --> 01:46:13,200
And I was like, well, I'm not
Mexican so that, Cultural

1797
01:46:13,200 --> 01:46:16,100
appropriation, but I appreciate
that.

1798
01:46:16,100 --> 01:46:17,600
You want people to know more
about it.

1799
01:46:17,700 --> 01:46:19,700
This is true.
Yeah, it's a great day.

1800
01:46:19,900 --> 01:46:22,900
I it's really cool.
And I if someone invited me to

1801
01:46:22,900 --> 01:46:24,900
be a part of it, I absolutely
would go.

1802
01:46:24,900 --> 01:46:26,800
Yeah, 100%.
You just can't be doing it by

1803
01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:29,200
yourself and no, no.
Can't be the Columbus thing.

1804
01:46:29,200 --> 01:46:36,500
People's cultural events.
Just don't do that.

1805
01:46:36,500 --> 01:46:39,300
Hmm, it's like how we do it for
I guess.

1806
01:46:39,500 --> 01:46:42,000
St.patrick's day.
We are a lot of people do that,

1807
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:43,400
you know?
You know what I mean?

1808
01:46:43,400 --> 01:46:46,100
American version of st.
Patrick's day isn't even it's

1809
01:46:46,100 --> 01:46:50,500
not, it's not, it's like what we
do for Mayday.

1810
01:46:50,500 --> 01:46:53,000
We're just like what or snow
Cinco de Mayo.

1811
01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:56,700
They're like yeah, this is a
totally celebrating a battle in

1812
01:46:56,700 --> 01:47:01,000
Mexico, drunk time.
We just any at any point

1813
01:47:01,000 --> 01:47:02,200
Americans.
Try to drink.

1814
01:47:02,200 --> 01:47:04,300
Anytime we can get drunk be for
fun.

1815
01:47:05,200 --> 01:47:10,600
It's super weird.
Yeah, but yeah, like we're like

1816
01:47:10,600 --> 01:47:15,000
they have them pretty sure.
I definitely cried watching

1817
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:18,500
KOCO, that's a great one.
And then the definitely cried

1818
01:47:18,500 --> 01:47:20,500
watching The Book of Life to
think.

1819
01:47:20,500 --> 01:47:22,200
I watched that, what's a good
movie?

1820
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:24,300
It's a great one.
I don't care if they're

1821
01:47:24,900 --> 01:47:27,100
cartoons.
Oh care, I'll watch them light

1822
01:47:27,100 --> 01:47:29,100
automatic cartoons are good.
Yeah.

1823
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:36,100
Anyway, you know, the days over
Halloween is still in our hearts

1824
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:40,000
today.
I bring you a tale brought To Us

1825
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:43,700
by one of our patrons.
Maggie.

1826
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:46,400
Oh, is this what Maggie?
You were talking about the disk

1827
01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:48,200
or?
Yeah, I was like if I find some

1828
01:47:48,200 --> 01:47:49,700
stuff about I'll definitely
cover.

1829
01:47:49,700 --> 01:47:51,500
So cool.
She's gonna be so high.

1830
01:47:51,500 --> 01:47:55,100
Yeah, and there's like what s
shallow for her right, right?

1831
01:47:55,100 --> 01:47:56,400
Listen.
That's you gotta be what you

1832
01:47:56,407 --> 01:47:59,100
want.
Shoutouts, be it become a

1833
01:47:59,108 --> 01:48:00,900
patron, become a patreon.
Let's talk about.

1834
01:48:00,900 --> 01:48:06,100
You always are anyway.
Yeah, hi Maggie.

1835
01:48:06,300 --> 01:48:08,400
I told you I'd use it, but so
I'm using it today.

1836
01:48:09,700 --> 01:48:11,400
I love getting stories from
people.

1837
01:48:11,400 --> 01:48:14,300
By the way, hint hint, Just just
in case.

1838
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:22,800
So this is the story of The
Point Lookout Lighthouse, which

1839
01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:27,000
may be haunted.
Well, I'm pretty sure it is

1840
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:28,500
haunted.
Didn't you say something about

1841
01:48:28,500 --> 01:48:30,000
it?
Being the most haunted

1842
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:32,700
lighthouse in America is the
most haunted lighthouse in

1843
01:48:32,700 --> 01:48:34,600
America, which is apparently, a
thing.

1844
01:48:34,600 --> 01:48:36,800
I was gonna say I didn't know
that there were like a list of

1845
01:48:36,808 --> 01:48:39,900
yeah lighthouses.
You're never going to get me

1846
01:48:39,900 --> 01:48:42,300
into a lighthouse because I'm
not going up 12.

1847
01:48:42,300 --> 01:48:43,500
Flights of steps.
Look.

1848
01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:46,400
I kind of wanted to be like a
Lighthouse Keeper.

1849
01:48:47,100 --> 01:48:48,900
Then you'd be good at going up.
The steps.

1850
01:48:48,900 --> 01:48:50,500
Yeah.
You tried to climb the steps to

1851
01:48:50,500 --> 01:48:52,300
get up here?
You were winded.

1852
01:48:52,300 --> 01:48:57,400
Just look.
Your steps are like steep.

1853
01:48:57,400 --> 01:48:59,700
Okay.
Are, aren't they freaking Steve?

1854
01:48:59,800 --> 01:49:07,000
And I cannot leg day all the
steps in Old buildings are like

1855
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:09,300
that, which is the same way they
are in lighthouses.

1856
01:49:09,300 --> 01:49:12,900
Well, I could probably grow up
doing that, so it's different.

1857
01:49:13,200 --> 01:49:16,300
Alright, I'll be a young lady
housekeeper anyway.

1858
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:22,100
So this Lighthouse is located
inside of the Point.

1859
01:49:22,100 --> 01:49:24,800
Lookout State Park in Scotland,
Maryland.

1860
01:49:25,800 --> 01:49:28,800
It was used for, you know,
mostly house things.

1861
01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:31,800
You know, the warned ships of
the, the, the shore and stuff.

1862
01:49:32,700 --> 01:49:34,700
You know, hiding underwater
Lighthouse.

1863
01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:43,400
I'm hiding underwater, Utopias,
or Being access to a Utopia in

1864
01:49:43,400 --> 01:49:46,600
the sky.
You know, there's always a man,

1865
01:49:46,600 --> 01:49:50,100
there's always a lighthouse D
now that we've got a weird

1866
01:49:50,100 --> 01:49:53,000
comment on her thing on.
What thing.

1867
01:49:53,000 --> 01:49:56,100
Someone thinks that Brian
laundry is gay and that's why he

1868
01:49:56,100 --> 01:49:58,100
killed gabbi petite.
Oh my God.

1869
01:49:59,300 --> 01:50:01,800
We're gonna start getting some
of those kinds of emails through

1870
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:05,400
our website.
No, please don't.

1871
01:50:05,500 --> 01:50:08,300
I don't want to hear that shit.
Back to the lighthouse anyway,

1872
01:50:08,700 --> 01:50:12,000
you lost anyway, when I was
reference to freak, In BioShock

1873
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:15,700
out.
If everybody got that you played

1874
01:50:15,700 --> 01:50:19,100
it before.
Anyway, this Lighthouse looks

1875
01:50:19,100 --> 01:50:21,400
cool.
It's sticking out of a one and a

1876
01:50:21,407 --> 01:50:24,600
half story house.
It's awesome looking.

1877
01:50:24,600 --> 01:50:26,700
It's a I think it's red, right?
Yeah.

1878
01:50:28,200 --> 01:50:34,100
It was constructed in 1839.
I don't really dive deep into

1879
01:50:34,100 --> 01:50:37,400
like I don't like, I don't like
diving deep into the background

1880
01:50:37,500 --> 01:50:42,200
of some things because I think,
you know it Would be born.

1881
01:50:42,200 --> 01:50:44,700
Talk about what's it?
The point.

1882
01:50:45,600 --> 01:50:51,000
The other point look out.
Yep, Lighthouse Lighthouse.

1883
01:50:51,700 --> 01:50:54,400
Yeah, but you said looks creepy.
Well, it's cool because it's

1884
01:50:54,400 --> 01:50:57,100
sticking out of the house.
It's so tiny.

1885
01:50:57,100 --> 01:50:59,300
Yeah.
Okay, I will go to that one.

1886
01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:04,500
Always huge.
I think of a lighthouse.

1887
01:51:04,500 --> 01:51:06,500
I think of those like impossibly
tall building.

1888
01:51:07,200 --> 01:51:10,600
I know she's meaner horrible.
Sorry, I'm sorry.

1889
01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:15,000
No, you're fine.
Anyways, we yeah.

1890
01:51:15,000 --> 01:51:17,100
I don't like diving deep because
I think it will be boring.

1891
01:51:17,100 --> 01:51:19,300
And who wants to hear me talking
about boring things?

1892
01:51:19,400 --> 01:51:21,400
We were talking about spooky
things, okay?

1893
01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:29,000
But it this like this is story
is a funny story attached to

1894
01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:31,600
this one, like the, the history
of, you know, all the keepers

1895
01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:37,200
that were that lived there.
So there's this guy his name was

1896
01:51:37,200 --> 01:51:40,600
William would okay?
Dude was known for being very

1897
01:51:40,600 --> 01:51:44,100
clumsy.
So clumsy that he broke a lot of

1898
01:51:44,108 --> 01:51:50,900
the mirrors and Lighthouse.
And his pay was withheld for a

1899
01:51:50,900 --> 01:51:53,200
year.
Wow.

1900
01:51:53,200 --> 01:51:56,000
A year here.
Imagine not being paid like

1901
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:58,200
you're working, but you're not
getting paid for any of that

1902
01:51:58,200 --> 01:52:00,400
because you broke so much stuff.
Yes.

1903
01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:08,500
Oh, that's awful.
So there's an incident where he

1904
01:52:08,500 --> 01:52:11,700
allowed a cat to get into the
lantern oil.

1905
01:52:11,700 --> 01:52:17,100
One of the lantern oil barrels
for Lighthouse and that had to

1906
01:52:17,108 --> 01:52:20,400
be replaced, which only added
more to his debt.

1907
01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:27,000
So do was just like, he's just
Very clumsy person.

1908
01:52:27,200 --> 01:52:28,500
All right.
Please head.

1909
01:52:28,900 --> 01:52:33,000
That's wild though right here.
Like you owe us.

1910
01:52:33,400 --> 01:52:37,500
Your years pay like Jesus.
I think on the website I was

1911
01:52:37,500 --> 01:52:40,500
reading.
It is said his his salary.

1912
01:52:40,500 --> 01:52:45,800
Like what he actually like, got
paid was like, $325, something

1913
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:47,200
like that?
Well his hole.

1914
01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:52,100
Thing as a keeper of Lighthouse.
But that's what them deducting,

1915
01:52:52,100 --> 01:52:53,500
all the stuff.
Yeah breaking.

1916
01:52:53,500 --> 01:52:59,600
Yeah, this is wild goodness.
So I don't remember I don't know

1917
01:52:59,600 --> 01:53:03,200
if you remember Maggie,
satanists and Discord but during

1918
01:53:03,200 --> 01:53:09,000
the Civil War, there was a lot
of stuff built around this area.

1919
01:53:09,100 --> 01:53:10,800
Well, Maryland area.
Okay.

1920
01:53:12,900 --> 01:53:17,800
Specifically Point Lookout, so
there was a hospital built.

1921
01:53:19,200 --> 01:53:23,000
On the coast, the cape,
whatever.

1922
01:53:23,000 --> 01:53:25,500
The point where ever, you want
to call it wherever it is, Point

1923
01:53:25,500 --> 01:53:29,400
Lookout, is that There's a
hospital of Medical Hospital.

1924
01:53:29,400 --> 01:53:32,400
They're built for Union
Soldiers, okay?

1925
01:53:33,000 --> 01:53:38,100
In 1960, 1862 the Confederate
soldiers were held at said

1926
01:53:38,100 --> 01:53:43,700
hospital as well.
Then a prison camp was built and

1927
01:53:43,700 --> 01:53:52,400
a house poww soldiers.
This was named Camp Hoffman.

1928
01:53:52,500 --> 01:53:56,100
Okay.
There are also rumors that the

1929
01:53:56,100 --> 01:54:00,100
Keeper at the time kept
prisoners there as well at the

1930
01:54:00,100 --> 01:54:05,500
Lighthouse, okay?
And when I say kept, I mean, I

1931
01:54:05,500 --> 01:54:09,700
think they meant that they eat,
like, either to keep her or the

1932
01:54:09,700 --> 01:54:14,700
assistant Lighthouse.
Keeper were Confederate

1933
01:54:14,700 --> 01:54:18,500
sympathizers, so they, yeah.
Yes.

1934
01:54:18,500 --> 01:54:21,700
He, they would hide the soldiers
in there.

1935
01:54:22,500 --> 01:54:25,800
But what to say, Website.
I read this on is like.

1936
01:54:25,900 --> 01:54:29,300
Well, there are all like, there
are psychics.

1937
01:54:29,300 --> 01:54:33,000
I came in and he said that there
were Confederate prisoners, that

1938
01:54:33,000 --> 01:54:35,400
were being held there against
her will.

1939
01:54:35,900 --> 01:54:43,600
So I don't, who knows.
Actually, I found a lot of these

1940
01:54:43,600 --> 01:54:46,600
stories that I'm going to read
to you about the lighthouse, in

1941
01:54:46,600 --> 01:54:52,900
the encounters that people have
dealt with our from, you know,

1942
01:54:53,200 --> 01:54:56,600
the people W the the the PO W
soldiers and you know, it's the

1943
01:54:56,600 --> 01:55:00,800
same Civil War soldiers or just
haunting the place.

1944
01:55:04,600 --> 01:55:10,600
So apparently this p.o.w.
Camp it was only designed to

1945
01:55:10,600 --> 01:55:13,800
hold 10,000 people.
Write a lot of people.

1946
01:55:13,900 --> 01:55:17,100
Yeah, but guess what, you really
tried the actually fed him fit

1947
01:55:17,100 --> 01:55:23,600
in there around 20,000 people.
So, very quick stuffed inside of

1948
01:55:23,600 --> 01:55:26,600
that small living space.
Okay.

1949
01:55:26,900 --> 01:55:35,000
Living conditions were yes.
Less-than-ideal author of The

1950
01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:38,400
point that it's a book.
It's a book is called Point.

1951
01:55:38,400 --> 01:55:42,400
Lookout, prison camp for
confederate for Confederates.

1952
01:55:43,100 --> 01:55:48,500
Author is Edwin Warfield of
housings of Burning.

1953
01:55:48,500 --> 01:55:51,200
Sands and freezing, cold and
rotten tents.

1954
01:55:51,400 --> 01:55:56,800
It is a story of senseless
shootings by guards, the story

1955
01:55:56,800 --> 01:56:02,100
of Despair and death of 4,000
prisoners, many of whom could

1956
01:56:02,100 --> 01:56:08,600
have been saved, Indeed,
terrible times three had by a

1957
01:56:08,600 --> 01:56:13,600
lot of people.
Give me a sec.

1958
01:56:15,800 --> 01:56:19,600
Well, that was some that was
some fun background information,

1959
01:56:19,600 --> 01:56:20,000
right?
Yes.

1960
01:56:20,000 --> 01:56:22,000
It's a.
Lots of murder and death.

1961
01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:25,600
Yeah.
Just some a lot of bad prison.

1962
01:56:28,200 --> 01:56:30,900
What I stopped.
It's all.

1963
01:56:30,900 --> 01:56:35,400
We're here.
Hey everybody.

1964
01:56:35,700 --> 01:56:40,700
So we had some technical
difficulties this week during

1965
01:56:40,700 --> 01:56:45,600
recording.
So basically, whatever stories I

1966
01:56:45,600 --> 01:56:48,400
was telling at the end, it got
cut off.

1967
01:56:48,900 --> 01:56:54,700
So here I am doing a solo and
I'm just going to, I'm just

1968
01:56:54,700 --> 01:56:57,700
going to like real a two stories
for you about this lighthouse.

1969
01:56:58,500 --> 01:57:03,300
And call it a day.
And hopefully next week, we

1970
01:57:03,300 --> 01:57:05,400
won't have any issues with
audio.

1971
01:57:07,800 --> 01:57:12,800
So the first one first story
comes from Ranger at the

1972
01:57:12,808 --> 01:57:14,600
Lighthouse, at that actually had
to park.

1973
01:57:14,700 --> 01:57:19,700
His name is Kevin hook and this
happened in September of 1999,

1974
01:57:22,300 --> 01:57:25,100
Wonderful evening.
I was sitting in the living room

1975
01:57:25,300 --> 01:57:28,800
and the small white house across
the road from the fishing pier,

1976
01:57:29,600 --> 01:57:33,300
the room face cells, and towards
the road that the soldiers used

1977
01:57:33,300 --> 01:57:38,600
to March into Point Lookout.
My dog Timber was nestled at my

1978
01:57:38,600 --> 01:57:44,000
feet alongside a friend's dog.
As we set the thermometer showed

1979
01:57:44,200 --> 01:57:49,400
a stifling 100 degrees my friend
and I were talking quietly.

1980
01:57:49,600 --> 01:57:52,100
When the two dogs ran
panic-stricken into the dining

1981
01:57:52,100 --> 01:57:57,600
room, both stood in the door and
bark continuously into the oven

1982
01:57:57,600 --> 01:58:01,500
like room, my friend and I were
completely dumbfounded.

1983
01:58:02,600 --> 01:58:07,000
All of a sudden the room turned
bitter cold even though the

1984
01:58:07,000 --> 01:58:10,200
thermometer still read 100
degrees.

1985
01:58:10,600 --> 01:58:12,900
The room was Stone Cold in
seconds.

1986
01:58:13,800 --> 01:58:17,700
We could even see our breath
when we excelled exhaled.

1987
01:58:18,800 --> 01:58:23,000
It remained cold for about 30
seconds and then returned to its

1988
01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:26,300
owner like condition what
happened?

1989
01:58:26,800 --> 01:58:32,400
Why did the room gets so cold?
Hook still doesn't know.

1990
01:58:32,700 --> 01:58:39,300
So that was a I guess a ghost
had just walked through the room

1991
01:58:39,400 --> 01:58:43,400
and made it all nice and chilly,
even though it was hot outside,

1992
01:58:43,500 --> 01:58:48,200
whatever.
Anyway, Let me go to the second

1993
01:58:48,200 --> 01:58:56,300
story.
I got So this one is from The

1994
01:58:56,300 --> 01:59:02,700
Point Lookout, Lighthouse.com,
and it is titled, and man on my

1995
01:59:02,700 --> 01:59:09,800
house, porch and spirit lights.
It was the winter of 1996.

1996
01:59:10,400 --> 01:59:14,300
I was 19 years old, a friend of
mine had just bought a car and

1997
01:59:14,300 --> 01:59:16,400
we had gone for a day trip to
st.

1998
01:59:16,400 --> 01:59:19,300
Mary's County.
Well it was pretty aimless.

1999
01:59:19,900 --> 01:59:23,200
We just kept driving that day
away from Baltimore where we

2000
01:59:23,200 --> 01:59:27,600
lived and we arrived in st.
Mary's County around 4:30 that

2001
01:59:27,600 --> 01:59:31,800
afternoon, we drove around and
had dinner at a greasy spoon

2002
01:59:31,800 --> 01:59:36,400
style restaurant.
We noticed signs for paint St.

2003
01:59:37,400 --> 01:59:41,300
A Lookout State Park and we
decided to go check it out

2004
01:59:41,300 --> 01:59:46,000
before heading home.
We drove down the drive through

2005
01:59:46,200 --> 01:59:49,500
the park.
It was around 8:00 p.m., I guess

2006
01:59:49,800 --> 01:59:54,500
it was very cold, so cold.
It was hard to breathe eyes,

2007
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would literally singe into wind,
we drove down to the end of the

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road, where the point and the
lighthouse were located.

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Now, I had never heard of the
parks hauntings, so I was not

2010
02:00:09,400 --> 02:00:12,400
looking to see or experience
anything.

2011
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He parked the car and I
suggested we walk over to the

2012
02:00:16,700 --> 02:00:19,100
water and have a closer.
Look at the Lighthouse.

2013
02:00:20,000 --> 02:00:23,900
We got out of the car to
experience a steady freezing

2014
02:00:23,900 --> 02:00:29,900
wind that made our souls shiver,
we walked over to look out over

2015
02:00:29,900 --> 02:00:32,700
the bay.
It was a beautiful sight on a

2016
02:00:32,700 --> 02:00:37,500
cold, winter, evening return and
walked over to the fence.

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At the Lighthouse.
We were right at the Gate of the

2018
02:00:42,808 --> 02:00:46,000
fence looking at the Lighthouse.
When we noticed something

2019
02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:50,400
peculiar on the steps of the
lighthouse, it appeared to be a

2020
02:00:50,400 --> 02:00:53,900
man in a heavy coat, sitting
there staring at the ground.

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02:00:55,000 --> 02:00:59,400
We sort of froze in our tracks
because it's dharwad us quite a

2022
02:00:59,400 --> 02:01:01,800
bit since the lighthouse was
completely dark.

2023
02:01:03,300 --> 02:01:07,200
We stood there for probably 15
seconds when I suggested to my

2024
02:01:07,200 --> 02:01:12,000
friend we leave just as we took
our first step, the man raised

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02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:15,400
his head and look at us, not
wanting to seem suspicious.

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02:01:15,400 --> 02:01:20,800
I said, good evening to the man,
the man, suddenly Rose to his

2027
02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:25,300
feet and turn to the door, my
friend and I watched as the man

2028
02:01:25,300 --> 02:01:28,800
walked, right through the door
and disappeared into the porch.

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02:01:29,800 --> 02:01:32,700
We stopped and looked for a
minute to see if he was inside

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02:01:32,700 --> 02:01:35,600
the porch.
But he wasn't, I suddenly

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02:01:35,600 --> 02:01:39,000
realized that he had just passed
through the screen door and

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02:01:39,000 --> 02:01:43,100
vanished on the other side.
My friend was about as shocked

2033
02:01:43,100 --> 02:01:46,500
as I was we sat there for a
couple minutes to no avail.

2034
02:01:47,400 --> 02:01:51,800
We decided he had seen, we have
seen a ghost as we walked back

2035
02:01:51,800 --> 02:01:54,200
to the car.
We sat there, we sat in the

2036
02:01:54,200 --> 02:01:57,500
heat, trying to give reason to
what seemed to be an impossible

2037
02:01:57,500 --> 02:02:00,100
experience.
Then the next weird thing

2038
02:02:00,100 --> 02:02:03,200
happened.
As we were talking my friend

2039
02:02:03,200 --> 02:02:06,500
suddenly yelled.
Look I looked up and saw

2040
02:02:06,500 --> 02:02:08,900
something that sent shivers up
my spine.

2041
02:02:09,500 --> 02:02:12,600
Something that looked like a
ball of light was going inside

2042
02:02:12,600 --> 02:02:15,900
the house and was Illuminating
the porch we watched in

2043
02:02:15,900 --> 02:02:20,100
amazement as the light flickered
and then ceased the whole light

2044
02:02:20,100 --> 02:02:23,300
show lasted for about 10
seconds, we couldn't believe it.

2045
02:02:23,900 --> 02:02:28,300
You must have stayed for another
hour but nothing happened at

2046
02:02:28,300 --> 02:02:29,200
the.
So I left.

2047
02:02:30,300 --> 02:02:33,100
The next day, we went to the
library and looked up books on

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02:02:33,100 --> 02:02:37,100
The Point Lookout, Lighthouse.
We were surprised to see so

2049
02:02:37,100 --> 02:02:39,900
many.
I read everything I could on the

2050
02:02:39,900 --> 02:02:43,100
hauntings and was Spellbound
that Monday.

2051
02:02:43,200 --> 02:02:47,000
We called the park and asked
them if anyone was living in the

2052
02:02:47,000 --> 02:02:51,000
lighthouse and until is no.
We told him what happened and

2053
02:02:51,000 --> 02:02:54,300
they explain the haunting at the
Lighthouse it was really

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02:02:54,300 --> 02:02:59,700
something else.
So yeah, that's another story.

2055
02:02:59,900 --> 02:03:03,500
Not even like these are all true
cows that people have reported

2056
02:03:03,600 --> 02:03:07,600
about the lighthouse.
Not even like stories that could

2057
02:03:07,600 --> 02:03:09,000
be pasta.
People who made up.

2058
02:03:09,300 --> 02:03:13,300
Well, those are two.
I'm ready for you guys, because

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02:03:13,400 --> 02:03:18,500
my kids are acting up and I
don't want to Keep them waiting

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02:03:18,500 --> 02:03:21,500
any longer.
So thank you for listening this

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week.
Like I said, hopefully next week

2062
02:03:25,400 --> 02:03:29,500
old, it won't be too bad and you
have me and Brittany signing off

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with you.
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Bye bye.