Fred and Rosemary West: The Worst Kind of Love & Spectrophilia

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My name is Brittany.

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Maybe like a I was to maybe like

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a movie night or something, we
could do that.

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Like that could be a lot of fun
because I have that shudder

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account and like, I watch it
like you cuz I haven't I made my

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own because your other one broke
dude, working on my app.

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Yeah, really it's no so works
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have to beat Paying double a
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I got you.
I got you.

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Oh yeah, yeah cuz I the shutter
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I'm like, you know what?
We can freaking watch movies.

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Scary movies.
Like I've been watching so many

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movies, I'm sure I love it.
There's a one I really watched

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called we go on.
That was incredible.

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I was expecting it to be like,
kind of making fun of the

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Supernatural.
And what I got was somebody who

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was really like facing like
death in a different way.

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And then Experiencing what it
was like to be haunted in a

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totally different way that
movies don't normally do.

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That would be one.
I would totally watch again with

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anybody.
I'll check it out, but we'll

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figure it out.
We'll see if we add to the

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patriarch.
Yeah, now this week in True

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Crime I decide to find something
that was a little more light and

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fun because this week's Killers
couple is pretty intense.

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So I have a question for you.
Brian, how far would you go for

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mayonnaise?
Like 20 feet to my fridge.

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It's like I don't know maybe 10
feet and that's about it.

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Maybe maybe.
Do you think you would murder

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somebody over me?
Fuck no.

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I mean I don't know how this
happened in 2020 but the man in

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trouble just got sentenced to
life in prison so I'll explain

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it all to you.
So Christopher Earl Bakr who is

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now 29 years old?
Use his truck to run over Caleb

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Solberg outside of the cafe in a
small town of pigs got Des

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Moines on December 17th. 20/20.
Originally, he drove away and

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then he came back and hit him
two more times so that you have

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been out drinking at this bar
with another person who earlier

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in the night and the City of
Moorhead.

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But things were a little weird
when Earl Bakker.

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Took mayo and spread it over his
friends food, which made Solberg

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really upset and they got into a
fight.

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So, I'm guessing because I have
friends in my life who are Mayo

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haters.
Yeah.

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And so this is right.
Okay, so it's just if someone

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kind of, I don't know like as a
joke or something put mayo on

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your sandwich and made you so
angry.

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You swung on them and yeah, I'd
probably would be upset and I'd

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be like, you know, you gotta buy
me in your sandwich because I'm

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Not eating this shit well, so
they get into that fight at the

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bar.
And then, solberg's, like screw

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you, I'm leaving.
So he starts walking to the cafe

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and Urlacher the one who started
everything by the way, calls,

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solberg's, half, brother Craig
and it's just like, you better

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deal with your brother.
I'm gonna set his house on fire

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and I'm going to shoot him.
So they go to another, he went

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to another like Barb called
Dave's old home and they got

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into like that's the cafe / like
Lounge, please.

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And that's when I guess he kind
of like coax them outside for

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another fight and then got in
his car and just random over,

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huh?
Well actually before that

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happened, he hit his car.
Into Craig priors.

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That was the brother-in-law who
had come to help.

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So the brother and not
brother-in-law, right?

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So he hit the brother's car and
then, you know, invited the two

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of them for a fight, then he hit
Solberg and sober came out.

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Like, what the hell?
You just hurt my brother?

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Or I'm he just hit his car but
still that's real, a grub.

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Yeah, and now that Solberg was
outside.

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He hit him with the truck but
that didn't kill him.

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It was the other two hits he
might have survived, had he not

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come back and hit him again and
he just said that he had backed

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over him, make sure.
And so at that point, he would

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have just been arrested for
attempted murder.

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But the essentially, the judge
was like, the rather than just

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leave you went down the street.
Turnaround came back that are

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multiple times to make sure
you've completed the job.

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Yeah, yeah, so he was convicted
after a bench trial in December

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of 2021 and he was sentenced to
life in prison as of February

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3rd.
All because of a prank that you

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started and you couldn't let it
go.

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No.
Oh my God.

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That's terrible.
Wild.

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I was like Mayo.
I have lots of people in my life

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who hate condiments.
I'm just like if someone is so

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just spreading me over my first
of all, I'd gag like that and

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then and then I killed Bobby to
see which, like, or meet you. a

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food ever, you have God.
Also folks, hoping for a visual

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podcast episode, I'm having a
bad week because a pet is dying

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and I am not in a place to get
pretty today.

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So it's only audio this week.
But what's your story?

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Okay, goddamnit.
Brittany.

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What you don't think that Mayo?
Murders are funny.

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Actually know I might make a
tick tock and call it the mail.

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Merge.
My God.

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No, it's funny.
It's nothing.

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Anyway.
So okay I couldn't pick this

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week so I have like two
different stories.

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Okay no you can't do that.
I got two different.

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Okay well they're both from
Pennsylvania and love we

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Pennsylvania news and they're
both they both involve animals.

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Okay, so the first one I'm just
going to it's going to be quick.

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So it maybe I just do the one
because I like it.

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Let's see, let's see.
So some some woman in

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Pennsylvania, she found some
type of mystery animal, this is

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in Pittsburgh and I guess what
happened was Is that you know

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goodness gracious.
Sorry, she found his like this

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animal like wandering around or
something like that.

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And like she'd.
So she brings him and you know,

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blah blah blah.
Washes up and and, you know,

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take care of it and she's like,
she calls an animal shelter in

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the, you know, and people are
just like in the people are

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coming to come, you know, pick
it up here like What kind of

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animal is this?
And she's like, I think it's a

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dog.
I saw this one.

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Did you?
Nobody knows?

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It is right?
Yeah.

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It's, it's, it looks like it has
kind of like the face of a dog

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but like that body.
It just looks like, I don't

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know.
Maybe it's a shave dog or

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something.
I don't know.

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The new story was that someone
found the animal and nobody

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would have knows what it is.
Yeah, nobody knows what it is.

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It's a mystery animal.
That's funny.

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Yeah, it like like, it looks
like it might be of the caninus

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genus, but it doesn't look like
a dog.

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It doesn't look like a dog.
Like, did you see the picture of

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it?
I'm passing.

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Okay, it looks it kind of looks
like a coyote a little bit.

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And like, it's weird because I
guess when she said, when she

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found, it was like, oh,
whimpering and stuff.

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Look all sad and blah, blah,
blah.

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I'm like, you know, I forget
who, which animal it is like,

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which canine it is.
I think it's coyotes.

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They eat like they like to trick
people.

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Okay.
If we, I didn't know that is

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they they like the trick.
I think it's coyotes.

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I like to trick people in so
they can like get closer to them

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and then it rip out their
throats and it's like they

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attack their small dogs, if they
have dogs around the attack

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those and it's just I forget I
think I think it was Sarah's dad

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who told me that I think it was
I talked to him about it and

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yeah it was and I mean that
sounds like it just sounds like

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ten pretending you're injured so
that animal thinks you're weak

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and then When do you usually
come sounds?

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It sounds pretty smart,
actually.

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We did just spend two weeks
talking about Bundy, pretending

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to be injured to get people to
come over and help him.

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Mmm.
Is it true?

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Oh, so I just read that it is
escaped escaped.

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What is Kate from the rescues,
facility?

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Wow, I don't know.
It's an industry.

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Like the mysterious mystery
animal whose out elaborate

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escape from Pennsylvania rescue
facility.

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Wow, I didn't realize it's
happening.

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Yeah.
Yeah, it happened.

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The news.
I got was from Pittsburgh, I

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think. it's A good little guy.
Yes, he'll be free baby.

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So these are you could like a
DNA from him but like they could

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write.
That was what I remember they

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couldn't.
There was no DNA match for

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something.
We knew what it was.

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Yeah and you know I guess they
go to check on him one day and

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he said gone.
Because because they were kindly

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calling is like a Cryptid now,
is like the new Krypton.

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That's wonderful.
You should be so happy.

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That's your thing.
I know.

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That's why I was talk.
I want to talk about it because

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I was like yo what if we have
our new little coyote Cryptid?

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Now listen this is now our New
Jersey Devil, Dog.

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Awesome.
I love it.

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Only this one doesn't People it
just wants to be left alone.

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Yeah, like every other animal
I'm assuming we're Cryptid.

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But yeah.
Okay.

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Well that's what I got.
I like that.

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I like this one that I could
just, I like that one.

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I'll stick with this one but but
oh, also, I guess news alert if

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you're in Danville, there might
be like a couple of monkeys like

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loose in the area that may have
like, herpes.

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I think it's herpes too.
Oh no, ya don't touch the

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monkeys and Danville and I was
just up there.

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The other day and I heard about
this the other day I was like I

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was just up there because
there's a car at there's a, I

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guess, a truck accident and they
were holding the monkeys and it

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just went off the road and yeah.
Monkeys were killed and then

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some monkeys got away so there
yeah he's in the woods in the

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north so just be careful.
Yep.

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I think they might freeze to
death.

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Yeah, yeah that's true.
That's what they're thinking

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too.
Well, okay, so here's the thing.

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I had planned out killer couples
a little while ago, and I

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completely forgot when February
started, so that's why we're

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starting in the second week of
February.

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That Godless. this week's
episode is about one of the

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worst Duo's we've ever discussed
and they were from the UK, they

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raped tortured and killed at
least 12 young women over the

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course of 20 years in
gloucestershire England, Well,

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to be fair, Fred started in 1967
but his wife didn't start until

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1973 outside of the Moors
murders.

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They're probably the most
infamous couple in UK history,

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and I talked about the wife of
this Duo.

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When I talked about the Moors
murders with Myra hindley,

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Hinckley, because Rosemary was
and Myra were in the same

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hospital and according to a
documentary in 2020, apparently,

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the two had a relationship.
They Seen as like prison royalty

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and now they actively hate each
other and have the relationships

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over.
That's according to the

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documentary.
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totally understand if this is
too much for anyone listening

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because this is very similar to
the Moors murders episode.

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It strange that those two women
would end up in the same prison

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because they did the same thing
to young people.

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But we're going to start with
the older of our killers and

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really the one who started
things Fred West, so, Frederic

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Walter, Stephen West was born,
September 29th, 19, 18, 19, 41,

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and Hereford should perish of
much Markle, which is for my

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non-uk this year.
It's about two and a half hours,

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west of London, because most of
us in the states, don't know

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anything other than like that.
At the time, much Mark will only

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had about 700 people living in
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And that was about two years.
Before I was born this time

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periods, really important
because it does anybody.

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Remember what happened in 1939.
No, I suck with dates.

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That's okay.
World War Two, which greatly

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affected?
All of England.

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Starting 1939 and went to 1945.
So he was born in the middle of

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this conflict.
In fact, the most exciting thing

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that happened before the world
learned of Fred West.

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In a much Markle, was a
landslide that happened in 1575

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Very small town.
It's a beautiful.

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Apparently, a beautiful place to
go to these like huge giant

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Green Pastures, core Fields,
Orchards full, apples, and pear

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trees.
Hops fields for making beer,

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nice place to go live.
If you weren't there when, Fred

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West was there, Now, his parents
Walter Steven and Daisy Hannah

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met in 1939.
Just before the great second war

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started, Walter left school at
11 to work on his family's Farm,

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which have been doing for
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He was recently widowed and just
attending a fair, the Marco fair

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to raise his spirits.
When he met Daisy, she was 16

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and he was 25.
They had a nice day at the fair

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board for a bit and then got
married, January 27th, 1942 you

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got pregnant pretty fast but she
lost the Maybe filing 1840.

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Fred was our second child and
the first to live to term and

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both of them were very excited.
This baby was like they're

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shining Joy.
Daisy was known to like not let

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him sleep in his crib and she
would bring as she called him,

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Freddy back into their bed to
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Now, quite jogging lie, even
with how bad things were

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financially during and after
World War Two and the UK Walter

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Daisy went on to have six more
children, five survived.

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So, it'd be a total of fried
John Daisy, Douglas Kitty and

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okay.
Now, when the farm when they

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were still running the farm,
they were keeping animals.

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But eventually they had to sell
all of that just to survive.

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Because there were a lot of just
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expensive during award kind of
like what we're going through

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right now in the US.
One of the biggest issues and

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piecing together, friends,
history, is that once he got

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caught, he began telling people
in astonishing detail that he

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had been abused and assaulted
and harm and his family was

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like, no, no, that didn't
happen.

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And it looked like he went real
into detail about some real

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horrible stuff so I'll start by
telling you the truth is we know

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II then I'll let you in on the
world from Friends Eyes.

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One thing we know is that the
family was super close.

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Dad was strict.
Mom was very overprotective to

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the tune of like nobody can keep
till they're 21.

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That kind of thing which is
weird because she got married

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and dated when she was 16 but
whatever, you know, I guess it's

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like a I don't don't follow in
my footsteps kind of thing I

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guess.
Now.

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In 1946, the family moved into
pretty much there forever, come

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called, more Court Cottage on
more cart Farm.

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The farm was owned by Walters
boss, Frank Brooks and Walters

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job was milking the animals that
down time helping with the

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Harvest in the fall, even though
it was called the cottage.

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It was just a regular house and
it wasn't a really big one

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because they were a family of
eight with only three bedrooms.

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There was no indoor plumbing,
the family went in a bucket and

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that bucket was dumped in a
sewage pit, every morning.

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They took baths in a big tin
Basin.

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Once a week rats were constant
issue and frequently.

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Mom, Daisy would grab Dad
shotgun and shoot them when she

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saw them in the fields.
This was something the children

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kind of remembered almost
fondly.

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Mom shooting the racks friends
easily, his mother's favorite.

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As I said, he was a rainbow
baby, he was Untouchable if he

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got in the fight with his
siblings.

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She took a side, even in front
of her husband, Daisy.

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Favorite fried, and because of
his constant spoiling, Fred was

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really introverted shy, and
well, kind of boring which

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didn't help him in school.
He was also the dirty kid.

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You know what kid, I'm talking
about that kid at school, who's

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always kind of dirty.
And you wonder Is he being taken

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care of?
Yeah, and I know the kid.

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Well, here's the thing.
Daisy bought him.

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The nicest clothes out of all
the other kids, but he always

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came home soiled and I'm sure
she was just like, what are you

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doing?
It's cool.

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Well, I'll tell you Fred was a
terrible student, and he got bad

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scores all the time.
So people made fun of him for

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being stupid, they made fun of
him for being dirty.

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His school believed in spanking
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So at 8 years old, when he would
get bad grades, he would get

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caned, then he would go home and
tell his mom.

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And in the beginning, Daisy
would go down to the school and

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she would get into arguments
with the teachers about his

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scores and the punishment.
And so it became a thing where

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like Daisy would show up in
these like big like flower

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dresses and she would, like,
yell at the teachers and that

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did not at all help.
The bullying, they kids saw him

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as like a mama's boy, they made
fun of him for that.

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So one of the reasons why he was
getting real dirty is because

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he's getting into a lot of
fights.

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And then on top of that Daisy,
kind of well she stopped going

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out of the school.
In fact, she kind of Began to

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resent the fact that Fred just
wasn't very bright.

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Now, outside of school, the kids
were expected to work on the

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farm.
After school every weekend, this

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was how they kind of earned
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Change household.
Chores did not get the many,

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many different times.
A year is a different thing.

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Summer was picking Fruit,
Harvest was the Harvest but also

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rabbit hunting season because
apparently the rabbits were

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outrageous in the entire town.
So this became like a town thing

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and pretty much they all went
out killed a bunch of rabbits

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and then they shared the meat
across the community.

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Winter allowed for more fun, for
the kids sledding playing in the

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snow spring.
Of course was planting time.

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Fred really only had his
siblings for friends and the

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cottage was actually kind of on
the edge of town, so he wasn't

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like around a lot of kids that,
like, you know, played outside

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like they used to do, they were
sort of isolated from the rest

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of the village.
Now, here's where the two

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stories, just forked in dramatic
ways, Fred says that his doting,

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mother was his first sexual
experience, incest was common in

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the west home.
Fred said the same thing that

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Happened when he was a kid as
what he did in his own home.

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He said that Daisy took the boys
and Walter took the girls.

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This, of course, is not been
corroborated by anyone in the

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family, but a lot of people in
town thought that Daisy was

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really close to her son.
Fred also told the police when

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he got caught later on in his
40s that his dad was very into

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bestiality.
Wow.

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Damn. now, outside of that Freud
said that his Experiences were

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sex, were very typical of the
time.

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It happened in the fields around
more Cottage, she called them,

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the fumbling sex games, which
involve this is so wild because

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I've never heard of this in my
life.

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Just a heads up.
You know, we talk about sex as a

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roll in the hay.
These kids were actually doing

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rolling and we're diving into
the hay pile and touching

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anything and everything.
My God, it was that he never he

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He said, he never bothered to
learn the age or the identity of

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the girls who were in The hey
vial with him.

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But that it was excited.
This isn't so fun and all Hayes

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like doesn't is Hast Not Crash.
Yeah, he's not fun to play it.

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That's how I feel, but maybe not
here.

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Either way.
Couple years later, Fred decides

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he's going to leave school.
He didn't even take his final

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exams.
In the UK.

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They have like, Primary School,
Secondary School University.

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Secondary doesn't quite line up
with, like, high school for us,

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but generally, it's kind of
where you make a decision.

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Am I gonna go to college?
Am I gonna go to trade school?

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And then, if you're going to go
to trade school, you could go to

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a special school that helps you.
that we used to have that in the

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u.s. now we don't Which allowed
kids to learn trades and stuff.

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And then if you thought you were
heading towards more of a

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university experience, you would
go to official Secondary School

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versus trade school, regardless.
He didn't even really finish

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primary school, he didn't even
take his final exams at the end

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of what we would call, like
Middle School, just like his dad

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for.
I could barely write or read.

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The only thing he was
exceptionally good at was Art

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and he could draw these like
Photo realistic things.

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Just by looking at them, he had
actually taken a woodshop glass

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on a whim right before he left
school, and he learned that he

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was really good at it.
He makes tools and benches and

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take them to his mom for her
approval.

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And she thought they were nice,
but Once he quit school, his mom

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was like, you didn't learn how
to make anything out of that

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French and where poor baby did
job.

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Fred.
Yeah, it sucks.

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Yeah, I gotta tell ya, British
school system way cooler than

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ours.
I believe it honestly, every

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country is way better than us.
So much very true.

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I think it's so smart that they
like start narrowing the kids

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interests as they get older
because for us they just it's

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the whole time.
It's like a broad liberal arts.

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Program, and then it's just
like, all right, make your mind.

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Now you're 18.
And I'm like, well, if you'd

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been giving me time to look into
this stuff, I could have

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learned.
Maybe I don't with me, I want to

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be a doctor, but I don't really
want to be a doctor because, you

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know, I got to take some extra
science classes and I'm like,

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wow, this sucks but regardless
either way for us to go to work,

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so he joined his dad on the more
Court farm with their landlord,

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this pretty crappy work, And
they pretty much gave Fred the

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crappiest jobs that nobody wants
to.

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It was perfect for the grown-ups
who were like, huh, we don't

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want to clean the Stalls for the
horses.

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You do that?
France at the highlight of his

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day at Bridges Farm, which is
one of the other firms that he

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worked at with the men.
Was that a lot of young local

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girls walked by and he would
just stand there and watch them

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on a job school.
Oh God.

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Yeah, that 1957 was probably 16.
His younger brother John 15,

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quit school joined them on the
farm working which is the same

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year where Walter was trying to
fix a chapter and it fell on

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him, it actually permanently
ruptured, one of dad's lungs And

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he probably would have died had
his sons, not been there and

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picked it up enough, and we're
talking like maybe a few inches

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for him to get out from under
it.

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Walter is now severely limited
in what he can do.

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He still working but he also
spends a lot of time at home

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just resting.
He's not as strict with the

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boys.
So they now spend their weekends

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in the nearby town of ledbury,
which hasn't movie theater and

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coffee shops.
There was this place called the

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ledbury youth club and wasn't
much to look at.

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It was really rundown have
busted windows, kids played loud

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music and they constantly got
reported.

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But the thing was, they weren't
even doing drugs.

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They were just drinking coffee
and soda and playing pool.

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We receive them know they were
inside of a building.

449
00:28:09,900 --> 00:28:16,300
Oh, it was an old building but
It was kind of run-down but like

450
00:28:16,700 --> 00:28:20,300
as far as places where teenagers
hang out, they weren't getting

451
00:28:20,300 --> 00:28:22,700
into trouble.
So it's better than nothing.

452
00:28:22,900 --> 00:28:28,200
True, true, well at 16.
Well, going to the club, Brett

453
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,500
starts dressing better, he would
shave and he would comb his hair

454
00:28:32,700 --> 00:28:37,900
and wear clean clothes and he
became like one of the better

455
00:28:37,900 --> 00:28:42,200
looking young boys at the club
which should have helped him

456
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,200
with the whole girl thing buddy.
Did Because he was very rude and

457
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,000
very crude.
He would just go up to a girl

458
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,900
grabbed her by the arm and
dragged her over to the Shadows.

459
00:28:52,100 --> 00:28:54,800
He didn't care if she liked him
or if she had a boyfriend.

460
00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:57,400
In fact he liked it better when
she had a boyfriend because he

461
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,500
wanted this dealer.
Which, of course, started

462
00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:03,100
fights, and John would step in
and defend his brother.

463
00:29:04,900 --> 00:29:07,900
Now during this time, you know,
for its work in and he's making

464
00:29:07,900 --> 00:29:11,400
a man's wage.
So the little he gave a little

465
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,800
bit to his family, but he starts
saving up for a motorcycle.

466
00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:20,600
His mother hated the idea, so
she made him promise, if you

467
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,400
have a crash at all, you have to
sell it.

468
00:29:25,900 --> 00:29:29,100
He agrees and on his 17th
birthday, he gets his

469
00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:32,500
motorcycle.
He used it to show off

470
00:29:32,500 --> 00:29:37,500
immediately he park it outside
the club and walk in on November

471
00:29:37,500 --> 00:29:42,100
28, 1968 while riding home.
What do you think happens?

472
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,900
He had a crash you.
Damn right.

473
00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:48,400
He collided with a girl who was
on a bicycle and was heading

474
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,700
home.
The road was completely dark and

475
00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:55,300
there were a lot of potholes so
maybe it wasn't his fault.

476
00:29:56,700 --> 00:29:59,000
They both went flying off their
vehicles.

477
00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:03,300
A day laborer from Bridges, Farm
actually left to go home and

478
00:30:03,300 --> 00:30:06,800
found both the teens lying in
the dark, the girl had scrapes

479
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,900
and he was able to kind of like,
wake her up and be like, hey

480
00:30:09,900 --> 00:30:10,800
you.
All right.

481
00:30:10,900 --> 00:30:13,800
Friday is bleeding profusely out
cold.

482
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,200
They have to get an ambulance,
the ambulance, assesses him, and

483
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,100
they go.
We can't handle him at the local

484
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,800
small hospital.
They need to go.

485
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:27,700
They just sent him to Hereford.
So, one of Fred's Friends shows

486
00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:31,300
up in the morning and Moorpark
Cottage was like his work boots

487
00:30:31,300 --> 00:30:35,500
and his like broken helmet and
gives them to his family and

488
00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:38,300
they're like, yeah, he's in the
big city Hospital.

489
00:30:38,300 --> 00:30:43,000
Oh my God, Jay Z goes to the
hospital in tiers and actually

490
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,300
Walter goes over to the girl's
family to apologize for a

491
00:30:46,300 --> 00:30:50,100
friend.
As I think Walter was like, this

492
00:30:50,100 --> 00:30:52,200
was probably your fault.
Let me go say something to their

493
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:57,100
parents.
Now if I was unconscious for

494
00:30:57,100 --> 00:30:59,000
week, he describe this
experience.

495
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,200
As coming back from the dead on
top of hitting his head.

496
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,600
He was covered in bruises and
cuts broken bones.

497
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,200
He told people for the rest of
his life, there was a metal

498
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,700
plate in his head, one of his
arms, never healed properly, his

499
00:31:10,700 --> 00:31:12,800
nose at gotten broken and one of
his legs.

500
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,200
He the mental a metal brace.
That even after the metal cast

501
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:22,700
came off, he walked with a limp.
Now while he's recovering, we're

502
00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:26,000
talking here like months.
He's got to stay in the house.

503
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,500
House.
And it's driving him crazy.

504
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,200
Having Daisy.
Just don't over him the entire

505
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:39,200
time.
So as soon as he is safe to get

506
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:43,000
out, He's like, I got to leave.
I got my boy.

507
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,300
That would be what he needs.
That's right.

508
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,700
Or his future wife.
Catherine Brenna Bernadette

509
00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:55,500
Estella Brandon was from cos
Scotland and 16 in 1960 when I

510
00:31:55,508 --> 00:31:58,400
was also a bit of a bad girl and
she was often in trouble with

511
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,300
the law she could get arrested
since she was 11 years old.

512
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,500
And in 1960, she moved to live
with her family in England

513
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,000
because her family in Scotland,
hoped that maybe a change of

514
00:32:09,008 --> 00:32:15,100
scenery would help.
Ah, Fred seeing her out about

515
00:32:15,100 --> 00:32:19,500
tried to woo her with allies
about how bad boy, how bad of a

516
00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:22,300
boy.
He was, but truly, what bonded

517
00:32:22,300 --> 00:32:25,400
this couple was that she found
friends.

518
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,600
Crude sexual interest to be a
sign of affection.

519
00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:31,300
She hadn't had a lot of
affection for life.

520
00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:36,400
That's just, that's just sounds
weird what I mean?

521
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:37,800
Right?
So what normally turn the other

522
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,200
girls off like him?
Make him like nasty little sex

523
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,200
jokes.
Yeah, she wasn't bothered by

524
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,700
that.
She was like wow he likes me.

525
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,000
Oh, how so Charming?
Oh my God.

526
00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:50,200
But you started having sex
things, got real intense.

527
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:58,900
So the point where she tattooed
Fred's name on her, after months

528
00:32:59,300 --> 00:33:04,500
of her family in England, being
like, can you not?

529
00:33:04,700 --> 00:33:09,100
They were like, you know what,
go back to Scotland, Run a So

530
00:33:09,100 --> 00:33:14,100
she had to move back home.
Get your head together, right.

531
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,800
During this time, Fred started
showing interest in the younger,

532
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,300
girls in the city and then one
night when he was at the club,

533
00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:29,700
He was on the outdoor, like
step, scaffolding thing, he

534
00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:34,100
grabbed the wrong girl, because
she turned around and popped

535
00:33:34,100 --> 00:33:38,300
him, he lost his balance and
fell 20 feet to the ground, am

536
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,300
sustaining his second major head
injury and under two years.

537
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,000
How are you not dead buddy or at
least in the hospital?

538
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,900
Well, he came out of this coma
and just 24 hours but he came

539
00:33:48,900 --> 00:33:52,900
out of it angry and irritable
and he would lash out very

540
00:33:52,900 --> 00:33:56,800
quickly and for the first time
people were like just he have

541
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:02,100
some kind of yes yes he does.
Fried also like after this just

542
00:34:02,100 --> 00:34:06,000
started doing some outright
illegal stuff and he went to

543
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,000
court for stealing in April 1961
for stealing a gold watch strap

544
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,900
and to cigarette cases with
another boy, then in June.

545
00:34:14,699 --> 00:34:17,500
Of 61 now.
Mind you I'm going to say this

546
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,800
rhino left, like Christmas like
before.

547
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,500
Like we're Before Christmas in
60.

548
00:34:23,699 --> 00:34:24,800
Okay.
Hmm.

549
00:34:25,699 --> 00:34:27,500
They pull cried in front of the
court.

550
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,600
This time for a much worse
reason, having sex with a 13

551
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,000
year old girl and have been
going on for about six months.

552
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,500
Oh my God.
Wait she left him, wait a

553
00:34:37,500 --> 00:34:40,199
second.
So she laughed and he started

554
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:41,600
having sex with the 13th as
well.

555
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:47,500
See this mathy math and as soon
as she left, oh God.

556
00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:53,300
Well, the other issue now, this,
this trial goes absolutely

557
00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:58,900
crazy.
First, the issue is that the

558
00:34:58,900 --> 00:35:04,100
girl is Fred sister katiewest.
Mmm, that's younger.

559
00:35:04,100 --> 00:35:07,500
Sister.
Also Fred yelled at the

560
00:35:07,500 --> 00:35:12,900
Constable during his trial, and
he was completely nonchalant

561
00:35:12,900 --> 00:35:17,200
about it.
And, in fact, Fred's mom super

562
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,800
upset because it's a sister
police.

563
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,600
The school social workers, get
involved.

564
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,600
And when they interview Fred,
he's like, I've been doing this

565
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,300
for years and then He legit
goes, doesn't ever go to do

566
00:35:27,300 --> 00:35:31,000
this?
You didn't seem to care at all

567
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,100
as they arrest him for carnal,
knowledge of a child.

568
00:35:34,300 --> 00:35:39,900
No sir, not.
Everybody does this a small tiny

569
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:45,200
minority does and we don't we
don't accept that.

570
00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:50,800
Well, we have the issue that now
he has this charge against him

571
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,800
because the when they first poem
in front of court, it's just,

572
00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:56,900
you know, figuring things out
asking questions this time

573
00:35:56,900 --> 00:35:58,400
though.
They're like, oh, so they

574
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,200
charged him with carnal
knowledge of a child.

575
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,100
He's going to get fined bare
minimum but he's probably going

576
00:36:04,100 --> 00:36:07,500
to be worse and then days, he's
like, you can't stay with us

577
00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:11,500
anymore.
And this is the moment where

578
00:36:11,500 --> 00:36:14,900
Frank felt like his family
abandoned him, because nobody

579
00:36:14,900 --> 00:36:19,100
else would talk to him, Kitty
ended up having an abortion,

580
00:36:19,100 --> 00:36:22,700
they set an official trial for
November of 1961.

581
00:36:24,100 --> 00:36:28,900
Fried quit the farm and goes to
work in construction, got caught

582
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,900
and find for stealing their, he
was getting into constant

583
00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:36,900
trouble with women in town.
Another girl, claimed that Fred

584
00:36:36,900 --> 00:36:42,400
raped her, but she wished to be
nameless, November 1961, just

585
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,700
after he turns, 20 years old,
his trial begins Katie refuses

586
00:36:45,700 --> 00:36:49,200
to testify against him, but
strangely enough Daisy agrees to

587
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,700
be his defense Witness She
discussed with the defense

588
00:36:53,700 --> 00:36:57,400
attorney, the multiple head
injuries, and the port of fleas.

589
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:04,900
And with no evidence from Kitty
a second, he moves into his aunt

590
00:37:04,900 --> 00:37:07,800
and uncle's house at.
There's so many people in this

591
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,700
story named Daisy.
I'm just letting you know, roses

592
00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:13,400
mom is named.
Daisy Fred's mom's name, Daisy,

593
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,500
his aunt and uncle live a Daisy
Cottage, currently Daisy, real

594
00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:19,200
popular name, and the 60s.
Everybody's everybody?

595
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:20,800
And everything is Daisy.
Got it.

596
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,000
Everybody was Daisy.
After about a year of him, kind

597
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,800
of being, I guess.
Like What do you call that?

598
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,500
I do.
I want to see isolated but

599
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,400
ousted from his family, maybe
invite him back to more Court,

600
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,500
cottage summer of 1962 and that
same summer.

601
00:37:38,700 --> 00:37:41,700
His old girlfriend, run a custo
on those back to town.

602
00:37:41,900 --> 00:37:45,900
They ran into each other at her
job at a cafe and Library Brenna

603
00:37:45,900 --> 00:37:47,800
had gone back to her old life of
crime.

604
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:50,400
And while she was gone, she got
him convicted of attempted

605
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:56,400
burglary at 16 and served 17
months in the prison kid prison.

606
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,600
Regardless she was real.
Least in May of 1962 which was

607
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,300
when she had an affair with an
Asian man, who was a bus driver

608
00:38:03,700 --> 00:38:05,800
got pregnant.
And when she realized he wasn't

609
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,300
going to stay with her, she came
back to England.

610
00:38:09,900 --> 00:38:13,600
Fred win her back but he didn't
really want her mixed-race baby.

611
00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:18,300
So he was like why you let me
abortive abort this baby?

612
00:38:18,300 --> 00:38:21,600
So we can save money and they
actually brought like another

613
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,900
kid who got freaked out and like
told the police and the police

614
00:38:25,900 --> 00:38:27,500
arrive before he could do
anything.

615
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,800
Okay, great.
And my opinion before he could

616
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,900
probably murder her
accidentally.

617
00:38:35,300 --> 00:38:38,600
Instead, they got married, they
pretty much waited long enough

618
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,700
for Fred to turn 21, which was
the age of majority in the UK

619
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:47,100
and they got married in secret.
Number 17, 1962, Brenna wore

620
00:38:47,100 --> 00:38:49,600
blue.
Her hair was bleached white.

621
00:38:49,900 --> 00:38:51,900
Fred wore a suit jacket that was
too big for them.

622
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:56,300
And their only guest was younger
brother, John to be there with

623
00:38:56,300 --> 00:38:59,500
us.
Same day, Daisy found out

624
00:38:59,500 --> 00:39:01,400
because John can't keep a
secret.

625
00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:04,900
She wasn't really excited about
it but Walter was like he's

626
00:39:04,900 --> 00:39:09,700
grown leave him alone.
And and so she's like fine!

627
00:39:09,700 --> 00:39:12,300
Y'all two can stay at the
cottage for a few nights after

628
00:39:12,300 --> 00:39:15,400
the wedding.
It was still super packed though

629
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,100
so they can't.
They packed up their stuff after

630
00:39:18,100 --> 00:39:21,700
a couple nights moved into a
small flat in the city of coke

631
00:39:21,700 --> 00:39:23,700
bridge.
And I hope by now with all of us

632
00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:26,700
watching International TV, we
know that a flat is an

633
00:39:26,700 --> 00:39:32,200
apartment.
This marriage, not so good.

634
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,900
Fred was the same as they were
when he, when they were teens,

635
00:39:37,100 --> 00:39:39,800
he wanted sex at random times.
It was super rough.

636
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,300
Bang, bang, bang.
He's done.

637
00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:44,400
Run at old friends and even
though they were married, it

638
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,300
felt like she was being raped
when she was like when she was a

639
00:39:47,300 --> 00:39:51,100
teen prostitute in Scotland and
homeless.

640
00:39:51,100 --> 00:39:54,100
Yeah, Fred enjoyed making her
cry.

641
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:56,700
He would like pinched her really
hard to hear her scream.

642
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,400
He wanted to tie her up but she
was like, absolutely not.

643
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:05,700
Years later, he bragged about
saying that he was the one who

644
00:40:05,700 --> 00:40:08,100
got her working as a prostitute
again.

645
00:40:08,900 --> 00:40:11,300
And that she would leave a girl
in his bed for him.

646
00:40:11,300 --> 00:40:14,500
While she was out working and
that he made lots and lots of

647
00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:17,700
money being her pain.
Which is really weird because

648
00:40:17,700 --> 00:40:19,600
apparently he likes that she did
it.

649
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,200
But he got jealous and angry
that she was sitting with other

650
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:27,400
men and Punisher Yeah, it's no
surprise.

651
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,700
He was abusive.
Yeah, he hit her at the

652
00:40:30,700 --> 00:40:34,900
slightest annoyance.
Now March 22nd 1963.

653
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:40,800
Mark Rena has her baby girl.
No one knew about this other

654
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,000
than Fred.
So people were very surprised to

655
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,100
see this baby with very obvious
Asian features.

656
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:51,300
Rhino was worried about the West
family.

657
00:40:51,300 --> 00:40:53,800
So she told them that she
miscarried and I've had been

658
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,900
Asian child in the hospital and
need of a home and they adopted

659
00:40:56,900 --> 00:41:01,800
her, and they named her sure me.
Carol Mary Mary was run as

660
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,000
mostly just like that, but in a
daze.

661
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,200
Yeah huh, just like that.
Huh.

662
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,300
Yeah.
We just started a new baby.

663
00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:13,100
Thank the letter to Daisy, was
probably Fred's idea because he

664
00:41:13,100 --> 00:41:15,700
was embarrassed that she had
given birth to another man's

665
00:41:15,700 --> 00:41:18,100
child.
Bride did not like this baby

666
00:41:18,900 --> 00:41:21,400
that you Actually separated
after they she gave birth.

667
00:41:21,500 --> 00:41:24,200
But by Christmas 63, they were
back together.

668
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:30,600
Visiting more Court Cottage.
Fred was bragging about how much

669
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:36,700
money he was making.
He wore silk shirt talked, to

670
00:41:36,700 --> 00:41:39,500
himself up that he was pretty
much a drug dealer and a pimp.

671
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:44,400
The reality was that they had
moved to Glasgow Scotland to try

672
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:49,100
and make the relationship work
and Fred worked for mr.

673
00:41:49,100 --> 00:41:52,500
Whippy ice cream and he drove an
ice cream truck in the good

674
00:41:52,500 --> 00:41:55,400
weather and then he'd sell
cigarettes and drinks and chips

675
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,800
when it got cold.
So that is what he was doing.

676
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,500
He was not a big-time pimp or
drug dealer like he pretend he's

677
00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:06,300
a scream Hint.
It was an ice cream.

678
00:42:07,100 --> 00:42:10,200
Regardless, they go back to
Glasgow after Christmas and in

679
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,300
1964 Runner gets pregnant and
has another baby.

680
00:42:13,300 --> 00:42:18,000
This baby was named Anna Marie.
Fried was obsessed with this

681
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,500
child, who looked exactly like
him and he treated Charmaine

682
00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:25,500
like she was garbage.
The family ended up moving to

683
00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:28,700
McClellan Street and you're
kidding Park and Fred was said

684
00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:32,500
to have a lot of tryst with
women in Glasgow, and many years

685
00:42:32,500 --> 00:42:34,500
later, he straight-up told
people.

686
00:42:34,700 --> 00:42:37,200
I don't know how many of my kids
are in Scotland.

687
00:42:38,700 --> 00:42:40,200
Damn, right.
I learned about this and

688
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,500
decided, since he was being
awful, she could be terrible to.

689
00:42:44,100 --> 00:42:48,600
So, she started dating another
guy Fred caught her with this

690
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,600
guy, his name was John
McLaughlin, and even though he

691
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:57,700
punched her, Like, when he
pulled her away from John, this

692
00:42:57,700 --> 00:43:01,200
did not stop.
And in fact, John tattooed her

693
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:06,500
name on his wrist took a tattoo
gun crossed Fred's name out and

694
00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:12,500
wrote his own.
Now, Fred internalized, this

695
00:43:12,500 --> 00:43:14,300
rage.
And I think this is really

696
00:43:14,300 --> 00:43:15,800
interesting.
So, remember that accident where

697
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:22,700
he ran directly into a girl, he
was a child, right, well, 1965.

698
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,000
He runs a strain to a
three-year-old.

699
00:43:28,100 --> 00:43:30,600
In his van, his work van
apparently, at the time,

700
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,500
accidents with kids, in Vans
were very high.

701
00:43:32,500 --> 00:43:35,500
I think you remember that, like,
in the 90s in the States because

702
00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:38,200
of SUVs and how high they were
people kept rolling over their

703
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,300
kids.
So that's why they put all those

704
00:43:40,300 --> 00:43:42,900
cameras on there or the sounds
that when you were close to

705
00:43:42,900 --> 00:43:45,800
something with you didn't eat.
So I guess they're making the

706
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,400
comparison.
Like what happened here in the

707
00:43:47,408 --> 00:43:50,000
states in the 90s that was
happening in the 60s.

708
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,600
Like people can't see because
these buffers are so high, it

709
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,500
was an accident.
It gets cleared by the police,

710
00:43:56,700 --> 00:43:59,300
but the locals are like you kill
the kid.

711
00:44:01,100 --> 00:44:03,200
So they move back to March
Markle.

712
00:44:04,700 --> 00:44:09,000
And back in with his parents.
Now, there are 11 adults and

713
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,500
five kids in the house because
some of his siblings had got

714
00:44:12,500 --> 00:44:18,500
married and had kids to God.
They were like Fred had no money

715
00:44:18,500 --> 00:44:21,800
so Brenda actually traveled back
to Scotland for work well Fred

716
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,000
tried to get a job in England.
Their relationship just got

717
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,500
worse back in Scotland, Run it
and John get closer.

718
00:44:28,500 --> 00:44:31,300
And at one point when I came
back, too much Marco and tried

719
00:44:31,300 --> 00:44:33,500
to take her kids back with her
for friends.

720
00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:36,800
Wouldn't know Fred wouldn't
allow it, he even punched

721
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:41,500
McLaughlin, but like, sorry
fraction like this was a fight

722
00:44:41,500 --> 00:44:43,500
that happened in front of the
house, right?

723
00:44:43,500 --> 00:44:48,900
Friday is holding onto Charmaine
like Like vice grip in his arm,

724
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,300
McLaughlin punches him, but he
still won't let go and he

725
00:44:52,300 --> 00:44:55,200
straight up tells Rena.
If you come back here, I'm gonna

726
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:59,800
kill you sometimes, while in
much Marco, he meets a girl

727
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,000
named Anna McDowell and pretty
much, I'm gonna be really

728
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,500
honest.
He used Anna for sex and to

729
00:45:05,500 --> 00:45:09,500
watch his kids for Anna.
She thought she was alone.

730
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:14,600
She wrote her family, these like
long letters and interestingly

731
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,200
enough after Franklin.
Scott, he said that Anna was his

732
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,700
first and only love but he sure
didn't treat her very well.

733
00:45:23,900 --> 00:45:26,200
Like pretty like they lived in.
Okay?

734
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,900
This is really so the UK word
for this is a caravan or Caravan

735
00:45:29,900 --> 00:45:31,800
town.
It's kind of the equivalent of

736
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:37,700
like an RV town or like a Yeah,
I would say more like RV camp

737
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,500
versus a trailer park because
the cars things can move

738
00:45:42,500 --> 00:45:45,400
regardless okay kind of like a
trailer parks last RV camp

739
00:45:45,700 --> 00:45:49,200
regardless though that's where
friends living in this Caravan

740
00:45:49,300 --> 00:45:54,300
community.
And in a 16 and pretty much

741
00:45:54,300 --> 00:45:57,100
trying to take care of Fred's
two kids, it's not the best

742
00:45:57,100 --> 00:46:00,900
situation in 1966 run a comes
back for her children.

743
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,900
She had asked people to come
with her but everybody was busy.

744
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,800
She picked up her kids from
Anna, went to a different

745
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:12,300
Caravan Park to get away from
him, and Well, this is the

746
00:46:12,300 --> 00:46:16,200
moment when Runner realized that
one of her friends, Anna, it was

747
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:20,200
dating her husband.
Yeah.

748
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:25,600
When she went to Fred's place
and saw Anna staying there, Like

749
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,800
I said in a 16-0 run us a little
older but I guess they knew each

750
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:36,500
other regardless Rena gets kind
of angry and she steals some of

751
00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:41,800
Anna's things in spite and left
and went back to Scotland where

752
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:46,500
the police rested her and
November of my 30 1966 and she

753
00:46:46,500 --> 00:46:50,200
was convicted November 29th,
1966, and give him probation

754
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,000
because she pretty much like,
bagged the court, please, don't

755
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,600
leave my children with Fred.
I don't know what he's gonna do

756
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,200
to them.
And pretty much, he's

757
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:04,800
effectively homeless.
So, they agree to allow her to

758
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,200
not to essentially, like, hold
her sentence.

759
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,200
She just gets probation,
honestly.

760
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,300
She only stole a couple of
things like why you don't put

761
00:47:12,300 --> 00:47:17,700
this lady in jail, spring of
1967 Ana's pregnant.

762
00:47:17,900 --> 00:47:19,700
She's super happy.
She tells her mom.

763
00:47:19,700 --> 00:47:22,600
We're going to get married.
We moved into a nice house.

764
00:47:22,700 --> 00:47:25,300
All lies.
Anna was last seen alive.

765
00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:28,800
July of 1967.
She went missing from a

766
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,300
Caribbean Camp called the
Timberlands where they've been

767
00:47:31,300 --> 00:47:35,200
living bread denied, killing her
until the day he died.

768
00:47:35,300 --> 00:47:37,100
Well, he did.
However, meant was that he

769
00:47:37,100 --> 00:47:40,500
dismembered her and buried her
and thank her post field and

770
00:47:40,500 --> 00:47:44,600
temporally near the village of
much more coal remains.

771
00:47:44,900 --> 00:47:47,700
Yep.
He says she just died and he

772
00:47:47,700 --> 00:47:50,000
chopped her up because it was
easier to bury a body was

773
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:55,400
chopped up that doesn't that sir
that Is how the kids say.

774
00:47:55,700 --> 00:48:04,200
Sus her remains were found on
June 7th 1994.

775
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:09,700
This is well, after the West,
get caught and people start

776
00:48:09,700 --> 00:48:13,500
naming dumpsites.
She was eight months pregnant

777
00:48:13,500 --> 00:48:21,000
when she died.
Rena unaware of this lose back

778
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,900
to England and to a different
Caravan cap at the end of 1967

779
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,600
and somehow frag weasels his way
back into her life and they

780
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:32,600
start with a live together all
through 1968, it worked because

781
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,300
Fred was a day laborer and it
was real hard work.

782
00:48:35,300 --> 00:48:37,100
I mean, pretty much that you're
a day laborer or you're just

783
00:48:37,100 --> 00:48:38,700
showing up at a construction
site in there.

784
00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:43,800
Like, do this, do this, do this.
He would be at work all day.

785
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,800
He come home sleep, wake up, go
to work.

786
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,400
So he there was no time to be
cruel to run out.

787
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,900
Though, sometimes he would leave
for work early and he would

788
00:48:53,900 --> 00:48:57,100
spend time and got cancer and
just sit and like drink coffee

789
00:48:57,100 --> 00:49:00,300
at a cafe but you know, that's
not the worst thing that could

790
00:49:00,300 --> 00:49:04,300
happen.
Except for the fact that the

791
00:49:04,300 --> 00:49:07,000
cafe is where he met 15 year-old
Mary Baskerville.

792
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,800
Who went missing January 6 of
1968, lasting waiting at a bus

793
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:16,300
stop on Bristol, Road, at 7:15
p.m. this was a major case,

794
00:49:16,300 --> 00:49:20,200
Scotland Yard was called in
Scotland, Yard, big-time police

795
00:49:20,300 --> 00:49:25,200
for American Sissy a or anybody
not really understand the UK.

796
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:26,700
But I mean, Scotland yard's a
big deal.

797
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:32,800
The problem was It's January and
January is a time of bad

798
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,000
weather.
It pretty much proved to be a

799
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,100
major deterrent in their search
for her.

800
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,500
Even though the police recognize
that Fred was there and he was

801
00:49:43,500 --> 00:49:48,100
tied to raping a teen girl, they
had no evidence linking the two

802
00:49:48,100 --> 00:49:51,300
of them other than he talk to
her sometimes at the cafe.

803
00:49:51,900 --> 00:49:56,400
Her body has never been found,
but it is assumed that bread was

804
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,200
killed her something to do with
it.

805
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:04,400
Definitely few weeks later on
February 6th, 1968 Daisy, West

806
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:09,800
dies at 44 years old, after a
surgery, the family at attends

807
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:14,500
the funeral and afterward.
Fred spirals you start stealing

808
00:50:14,500 --> 00:50:17,200
gets arrested for taking a blank
check out of a house.

809
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:21,300
He was working on and buying a
record player with the like the

810
00:50:21,300 --> 00:50:23,900
check.
He's fine, he's let go from

811
00:50:23,900 --> 00:50:27,900
oldacre's Mill for stealing
money, he worked emptying septic

812
00:50:27,900 --> 00:50:31,500
tanks and then it's a liver
delivery driver for a bakery and

813
00:50:31,500 --> 00:50:35,500
at this bakery shop is where he
would meet his future wife & Co

814
00:50:35,500 --> 00:50:43,000
killer rose West.
Let's talk about Rose now. now

815
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:47,800
Rose West was born Rosemary
Pauline let's on November 29th,

816
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:52,600
1953 and Northam Devon England
into a home full of just

817
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:58,900
struggle Her Father, William
also bill, that's and Daisy

818
00:50:58,900 --> 00:51:01,100
Gwendolyn.
Let's both have mental health

819
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:03,300
issues.
Her father was schizophrenic,

820
00:51:03,300 --> 00:51:05,900
but he's hit it.
And her mother was clinically

821
00:51:05,900 --> 00:51:09,000
depressed.
In fact, while Rose was inside

822
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:14,500
of her, she was given
electroshock therapy and I had

823
00:51:14,500 --> 00:51:17,200
to look into this because it
sounds real dangerous to me.

824
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:21,300
Yeah, but apparently this is
considered the safer way to

825
00:51:21,300 --> 00:51:23,900
treat a pregnant woman with
serious depression.

826
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,800
Action.
Since many medications have side

827
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:32,100
effects that can harm a fetus.
Like I was looking at like Johns

828
00:51:32,100 --> 00:51:37,600
Hopkins, like articles on this,
apparently there's been a lot of

829
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,400
research into it and there is a
low chance that it'll hurt the

830
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,200
child, like point four percent
less than 1%.

831
00:51:46,700 --> 00:51:48,800
Regardless though, rose look,
weird kid.

832
00:51:48,900 --> 00:51:51,200
And even when she was a baby,
she did some weird stuff that

833
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,200
made her family.
Look at her kind of, I like,

834
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:57,100
even when she was little and I
like a stroller pram, she would

835
00:51:57,100 --> 00:51:59,900
rock back and forth, really
aggressively, and it would

836
00:51:59,900 --> 00:52:02,300
slowly move across the room.
They learn that.

837
00:52:02,300 --> 00:52:05,300
This was a tech of hers, that
she maintained as she grew up.

838
00:52:06,500 --> 00:52:10,600
She was a total like hate to use
this word, but are head, like,

839
00:52:10,700 --> 00:52:12,900
she just had her heads in the
clouds.

840
00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:16,600
Her neighbor said that sometimes
she would walk down to like, The

841
00:52:18,300 --> 00:52:22,700
fence in front of the house and
she would just be staring at the

842
00:52:22,700 --> 00:52:27,700
sky just had like completely and
her own world.

843
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,600
In fact, her siblings started
calling her, do 0z because of

844
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:35,300
this, and she would like sway in
a way that meat, like, it was

845
00:52:35,300 --> 00:52:37,700
weird.
She like fried, not a good

846
00:52:37,700 --> 00:52:40,700
student, mostly failing marks
from the beginning of school.

847
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,200
She was a moody Broody.
And again, she just daydreaming,

848
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:48,800
instead of doing a class work.
She was number five of seven

849
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,000
children and they were very
poor.

850
00:52:51,300 --> 00:52:53,300
But worse than being poor was
that Bill.

851
00:52:53,300 --> 00:52:56,700
Let's was a whole monster.
He was cruel.

852
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,700
He gave up meetings for the
simplest of stuff, and they were

853
00:52:59,700 --> 00:53:03,200
brutal to the point where Daisy
would step in and he'd be Daisy

854
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:07,500
and stack God.
It wasn't uncommon for Daisy to

855
00:53:07,508 --> 00:53:09,700
just be seen walking around town
with a black eye.

856
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,000
And in fact, one day there was a
fight that was so bad that the

857
00:53:12,008 --> 00:53:18,300
neighbors heard The neighbors
heard it first and then saw as

858
00:53:18,300 --> 00:53:22,500
Bill dragged her down, the steps
by her hair and like slapped her

859
00:53:22,500 --> 00:53:25,200
outside.
No, in fact, they called the

860
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:30,200
police on that one.
Now, when Daisy wouldn't let him

861
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,100
hit the children.
She was like, no, give them a

862
00:53:32,107 --> 00:53:34,700
different punishment.
He would just have them go out

863
00:53:34,700 --> 00:53:39,400
into the garden and day and he
would just be like just dig dig

864
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,900
until I'm not mad anymore.
And then if he didn't like how

865
00:53:42,900 --> 00:53:44,300
they were digging, he'd have
them.

866
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:49,100
The redo it.
So, now what days was that is,

867
00:53:49,100 --> 00:53:52,100
let's say so filling that hole
and it dig that back up.

868
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,300
Yeah, pretty much.
I'm like, that's the kind of

869
00:53:55,300 --> 00:53:57,100
stuff that they give like,
prisoners.

870
00:53:58,900 --> 00:54:02,700
Now what Daisy didn't know was
that bill was sexually abusing

871
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,100
all of the daughters.
At some point Rose realize that

872
00:54:06,100 --> 00:54:09,100
she can manipulate her father by
using his deviance.

873
00:54:09,100 --> 00:54:13,000
To her Advantage, this allowed
her to avoid the more horrible

874
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:17,700
beatings and since she seemed
more receptive to his advances,

875
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,800
he began to prefer her to the
other girls gross.

876
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,300
Yeah.
On top of bills constant

877
00:54:24,300 --> 00:54:26,000
beatings.
He's a total Tyrant to make it.

878
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,700
Absolute obedience and no.
Another do the children have to

879
00:54:29,700 --> 00:54:31,900
do their chores perfectly be
perfectly behaved.

880
00:54:31,900 --> 00:54:33,300
They spent their time in the
let's house.

881
00:54:33,300 --> 00:54:37,400
Just sitting in absolute silence
watching for bills loose change.

882
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:42,400
And despite their best.
He find a reason to smack

883
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,100
somebody into a wall or throwing
down the steps.

884
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,400
Daisy, definitely believe that
bill got joy from hurting them.

885
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,400
Now, it's believed that some of
these tantrums were be related

886
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,900
to his unmedicated
schizophrenia, because he had

887
00:54:56,900 --> 00:55:00,800
never told anyone in his new
family, about his illness gaze.

888
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,500
He didn't even learn about it
until he died.

889
00:55:04,100 --> 00:55:06,400
But on top of his mental
illness, he was hiding and

890
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,100
generally just being a terrible
person.

891
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,900
He couldn't keep a job and that
pissed him off and a couple just

892
00:55:11,900 --> 00:55:14,300
kept getting pregnant.
And I'm like, here's the problem

893
00:55:14,300 --> 00:55:15,900
though.
Bill, you can't be mad.

894
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,400
Mad.
You are actively participating

895
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,900
in making your life harder.
Yeah, he really hurt.

896
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:29,800
Either way, the family moves,
and Roses 13 and to the bishop

897
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,900
cleave area.
And she went to the Cleves

898
00:55:31,900 --> 00:55:35,600
school, she also went to the
Rose Demerol school.

899
00:55:35,900 --> 00:55:40,900
People made fun of her for being
stupid, but, and Bishop Cleve

900
00:55:41,300 --> 00:55:42,500
Rose.
Became the bully.

901
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,600
In fact, people are just like,
roses not want to be fucked with

902
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,700
her bully, extended to home and
her younger siblings.

903
00:55:50,100 --> 00:55:53,400
When Daisy took a job for extra
money, Rose was the one who

904
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,000
stayed.
But the younger kids forcing

905
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,500
them, to do her, chores and
stealing things for her around

906
00:55:57,500 --> 00:56:01,600
town, Rose hit puberty.
And she becomes wildly

907
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,900
promiscuous.
She also became an abuser

908
00:56:03,900 --> 00:56:07,500
herself touching her little
brothers in their beds at night

909
00:56:07,500 --> 00:56:09,700
and she would also walk around
them naked.

910
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,700
Eventually, she didn't find this
to be particularly satisfying,

911
00:56:13,700 --> 00:56:17,100
so instead she began seeking out
Partners around age, bill is

912
00:56:17,100 --> 00:56:20,700
like new because of course, he
views his 13 year old daughter.

913
00:56:20,700 --> 00:56:24,800
Like it's his girlfriend and he
forbids her to go on dates.

914
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,600
So Bruce just decides, she's
gonna hide it from him and

915
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,200
easiest way to do that is to
date older.

916
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:34,600
Men who had cars and apartments
they wouldn't be C, of course,

917
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,500
in some of these situations Rose
ended up getting raped because

918
00:56:37,500 --> 00:56:40,400
she was just throwing herself at
random older.

919
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:45,600
Guys.
So when Rose was 14, Mary bash,

920
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:49,700
John went missing.
And despite everybody in town

921
00:56:49,700 --> 00:56:51,800
telling young girls, please be
safe.

922
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:53,800
Rose.
Continue seeking out older.

923
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:58,800
Man house.
Finally, in 1969, daisies, tired

924
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,500
of the abuse.
She takes rose out of the home

925
00:57:01,700 --> 00:57:05,600
to one of roses older sisters.
But Rose decides to move back in

926
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:16,600
with Bill.
She was 15 years old to say that

927
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,300
Fred was an expert at grooming
young girl.

928
00:57:18,300 --> 00:57:21,700
That's an understatement when he
saw a rose at Cheltenham bus

929
00:57:21,700 --> 00:57:24,400
station, she was originally
disgusted by him.

930
00:57:24,700 --> 00:57:27,500
She thought he was homeless.
He had hair.

931
00:57:27,500 --> 00:57:30,700
He had washed sideburns and all
the way down to his shoulders

932
00:57:30,900 --> 00:57:33,600
Cuts all over him.
He was just dirty and he had a

933
00:57:33,607 --> 00:57:36,400
country accent.
Rose was not interested in this

934
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:37,700
27 year.
Abu.

935
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,600
He came back day after day, sat
with her at the bus stop, talk

936
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,500
to her showed her affection
Brave.

937
00:57:44,500 --> 00:57:48,800
Little trinkets told her she was
pretty When she when he asked

938
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:52,300
her out, she told him now but
she did say you could walk me

939
00:57:52,300 --> 00:57:55,900
home from the bus stop.
When he figured out where she

940
00:57:55,900 --> 00:58:00,300
worked because he was a bakery
delivery driver and she worked

941
00:58:00,300 --> 00:58:03,800
at a local Bread Bakery.
He paid a woman to deliver a

942
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:09,100
gift to Rose saying that the man
outside gave this to you and she

943
00:58:09,100 --> 00:58:12,100
came outside and there was Fred
and she agreed to go on a date

944
00:58:12,100 --> 00:58:15,600
with him that night when they
met at a pub your house, he gave

945
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,300
her a lace dress and a herc
Oops.

946
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,400
What she was.
Like this is way too much peace.

947
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,600
Like regardless of what happens
with us you can keep that.

948
00:58:25,700 --> 00:58:27,000
That is too much.
What the hell?

949
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:33,000
Yeah, he probably stole it.
But Fred was the nicest person

950
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:37,500
that Rose had really a nice to
her and he was really happy to

951
00:58:37,500 --> 00:58:41,500
learn that rose out of her Jack
when he may grow sex juice, she

952
00:58:41,500 --> 00:58:46,500
laughs and poured it back.
That was not forget that.

953
00:58:46,500 --> 00:58:50,400
He's still married to run.
Now he told Rose, he's been

954
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:55,900
abandoned by his prostitute wife
which made him sympathetic to

955
00:58:55,900 --> 00:58:58,300
Rose.
Rose visited the Caravan to meet

956
00:58:58,300 --> 00:59:00,100
his children.
Charmaine Hannah Murray.

957
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,000
Fred had found the perfect
woman.

958
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,500
Someone who loves sex and
enjoyed taking care of kids in

959
00:59:06,500 --> 00:59:08,700
the past actually whenever he
didn't have a girlfriend and

960
00:59:08,700 --> 00:59:11,700
watch his kids, he ended up
taking the kids to Gloucester

961
00:59:12,500 --> 00:59:16,500
services and saying I can't
raise children alone but he

962
00:59:16,500 --> 00:59:17,900
always came back and pick them
up.

963
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:22,900
Rose told her mother, she found
a job cleaning a local widow's

964
00:59:22,900 --> 00:59:30,300
house and so that her mom didn't
get suspicious Fred would pay

965
00:59:30,300 --> 00:59:32,000
her a couple Shillings every
week.

966
00:59:33,300 --> 00:59:35,200
And then Brandon Lee, she brings
him home.

967
00:59:37,100 --> 00:59:40,200
Her dad immediately knows what's
going on here.

968
00:59:40,700 --> 00:59:45,000
He's like this, this is the guy
who's paying hers or boyfriend.

969
00:59:45,900 --> 00:59:50,000
He's like you can't see this old
guy, he's 15, like 12 years

970
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:55,900
older than you and Telling Rose.
No had never really worked

971
00:59:55,900 --> 00:59:59,600
before.
Mmm, Fred wasn't gonna let go

972
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:01,600
because he finally found someone
willing to let him do.

973
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:05,800
Sadistic sex stuff with and Rose
was like, I don't mind as long

974
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,100
as you show me.
Attention God.

975
01:00:10,700 --> 01:00:13,900
It's believed that Fred got her
into escorting, her family found

976
01:00:13,900 --> 01:00:15,900
out about it in the summer of
1969.

977
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,900
They put her in a home for
troubled, teens, and she was

978
01:00:18,900 --> 01:00:21,100
only allowed to see her family
or go to work.

979
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,100
As soon as she earned enough,
like capital in the house to

980
01:00:25,100 --> 01:00:28,000
have a weekend at home.
She went directly to Fred's

981
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,000
Caravan.
They were and while she was

982
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,100
there, they were sending these
letters back and forth.

983
01:00:33,300 --> 01:00:36,100
And this is kind of the moment
where we realize that Rose is

984
01:00:36,100 --> 01:00:38,800
kind of spearheading their
relationship and it's Pates.

985
01:00:39,900 --> 01:00:41,800
We're dad finds out, they are
still together.

986
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:45,300
He goes to Fred's job, begins
screaming at him.

987
01:00:45,300 --> 01:00:47,100
Saying, I'm gonna cut you up
into little pieces.

988
01:00:47,100 --> 01:00:49,800
If you don't leave my daughter
alone, which is real ironic

989
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,800
because friend had already done
that to somebody else.

990
01:00:56,500 --> 01:00:58,800
Now, France having trouble
paying off his fines he gets

991
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,100
arrested again, but this time
they put him in prison.

992
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:08,900
And on November 28, 69 they take
the kids, social services takes

993
01:01:08,900 --> 01:01:12,000
to kid again.
However, the next day was roses

994
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:16,400
16th birthday and the house
couldn't hold her after 16.

995
01:01:18,700 --> 01:01:21,900
So her dad was pretty much like
listen, if you ever see Fred.

996
01:01:21,900 --> 01:01:24,200
Again, I'm going to disown you.
If you find a good job and

997
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,800
dumped him, you can come to our
house that caused a fight.

998
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,000
That was big enough.
That the cops were called and

999
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:33,900
Social Services were called the
police calmed it down and build

1000
01:01:33,900 --> 01:01:36,600
thought that they had talked
some sense into a rose.

1001
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,500
In fact, what Rose did was, she
was like, fine, I'll stay here

1002
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:47,700
and then right before his 30-day
lockup was over, she walked

1003
01:01:47,700 --> 01:01:50,000
downstairs.
With all of her stuff packed up.

1004
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:56,100
They go back to being together.
Now that's November, right?

1005
01:01:56,100 --> 01:01:59,100
So they stay together for like a
month over Christmas time.

1006
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:04,400
But Bill decides, he's going to
call the police in January 1970

1007
01:02:04,700 --> 01:02:07,800
and tell them that his daughter
is in danger.

1008
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,400
I don't know if the place didn't
take this very seriously.

1009
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:19,700
But in February 21st.
They bring in Rose and they're

1010
01:02:19,700 --> 01:02:21,800
just like, are you in danger?
Holy crap.

1011
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:26,300
You're pregnant.
Because I think they were like

1012
01:02:26,300 --> 01:02:28,400
not taking it very seriously.
I mean this girl been seeing

1013
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:33,300
this guy at this point now for
like years and that's why they

1014
01:02:33,300 --> 01:02:36,200
were just like I will get to it
when we get to it, you know.

1015
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:43,400
But they're like you're pregnant
and you're underage, who's the

1016
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,900
dad?
And she's like not telling

1017
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,100
Social Services tries to talk to
her.

1018
01:02:51,100 --> 01:02:56,500
They actually pick her up and
they hold her like a foster home

1019
01:02:56,500 --> 01:02:59,700
for a couple weeks.
They release her on March 6.

1020
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,100
And they're like go back to your
family.

1021
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:07,400
She agreed, she get an abortion
that did not happen.

1022
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,100
Rose went back to Fred's and
bill was like you know what I'm

1023
01:03:10,100 --> 01:03:16,000
done with this.
Screw you Rose This started to

1024
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:19,500
happy.
Family Rose, Fred Charmaine

1025
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:24,000
Annamarie and mystery baby.
Oh my God, they moved to a new

1026
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,300
Caravan Community.
That's closer to Fred's job as a

1027
01:03:27,308 --> 01:03:29,700
day laborer.
He'd gone back to working.

1028
01:03:31,100 --> 01:03:34,200
Rose didn't ask anyone for help
but she was finding it very hard

1029
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,400
to handle two kids and be very
bad name.

1030
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:41,400
Fred and said, said the girl's
back to the Foster family run,

1031
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:45,500
it came back to town, meeting
Fred's a 16 year old pregnant,

1032
01:03:45,500 --> 01:03:48,100
girlfriend.
However, when she talked to her

1033
01:03:48,100 --> 01:03:54,000
as Rama thought that Rose seemed
to be safe for her kids to be

1034
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,900
around by Wiki for that
impression.

1035
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,700
I think at this point Rose just
kind of came off as kind of a

1036
01:04:00,700 --> 01:04:04,100
little touched.
Okay.

1037
01:04:04,100 --> 01:04:08,700
Yes, yes, she just seemed kind
of simple and not like

1038
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,800
malicious.
She would go on to be much

1039
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:17,700
worse, but at this moment, she's
not doing anything really bad.

1040
01:04:18,900 --> 01:04:21,400
So in June of 1970, they move
into a small house and

1041
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,500
Gloucester on Midland Road
Bridge.

1042
01:04:23,500 --> 01:04:25,000
Regular job didn't pay the
bills.

1043
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:29,100
So he went back to a life of
crime and October 17th 1970.

1044
01:04:29,100 --> 01:04:33,300
Having West was born, And right
after that for, I got busted for

1045
01:04:33,300 --> 01:04:35,500
fraud.
When he made a false order for

1046
01:04:35,500 --> 01:04:38,900
tires, his 30-day sent had
actually been a suspended

1047
01:04:38,900 --> 01:04:41,700
sentence.
So this time he was going back

1048
01:04:41,700 --> 01:04:43,300
to jail to finish his six
months.

1049
01:04:44,100 --> 01:04:47,300
A 17 year old rules spent
Christmas and New Year's alone

1050
01:04:47,300 --> 01:04:51,000
with three children.
Which is when she started

1051
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:52,300
beating them to keep them in
line.

1052
01:04:56,600 --> 01:05:00,200
Annamarie actually remembers
being like five or six years old

1053
01:05:00,500 --> 01:05:04,200
and Charmaine telling her are
real.

1054
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:05,700
Mommy's going to come back for
us.

1055
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:08,800
But Anna Marie had had such a
crazy life.

1056
01:05:08,900 --> 01:05:14,600
She barely remembered who ran a
was I mean these were pretty bad

1057
01:05:15,500 --> 01:05:17,500
stuff.
Like she got mad that they

1058
01:05:17,500 --> 01:05:20,500
weren't like getting done eating
fast enough.

1059
01:05:20,500 --> 01:05:22,500
She grab the bowl and hit them
with it.

1060
01:05:22,500 --> 01:05:27,600
Like breaking a glass bowl over,
a child's head and Charmaine was

1061
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:31,600
apparently a very strong little
girl who told Anna, no matter

1062
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:32,800
what.
Don't cry.

1063
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,800
Crying means Rose me.
It's okay.

1064
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:40,600
Yeah, that's on March, 29th,
1971.

1065
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:42,000
Rose.
Six remains of the hospital

1066
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,400
because of a strange puncture
wound on her leg.

1067
01:05:44,700 --> 01:05:48,100
She said it was an accident.
And since the small town didn't

1068
01:05:48,100 --> 01:05:51,800
have a Social Services because
member they move, no one

1069
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:53,400
reported it.
But that was probably the first

1070
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:58,800
time that Rose had gone too far.
Rosa Fred wrote letters back and

1071
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:01,100
forth over the six-month period.
And they talked about, they talk

1072
01:06:01,100 --> 01:06:03,000
to each other.
Like, they were married Rose

1073
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,300
complained a lot about
Charmaine, and those letters

1074
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:09,500
just before frog was to be
released from prison Rose

1075
01:06:09,500 --> 01:06:13,400
killed, Charmaine this happened
between June 15th, and she

1076
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,400
brought two girls to visit him.
And when he was released on June

1077
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:23,500
24th, 1971, One day, Anna Marie,
went to school and Charmaine

1078
01:06:23,500 --> 01:06:28,000
didn't go with her.
And then she was just gone,

1079
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,100
their neighbors even came to
visit because they had a

1080
01:06:31,100 --> 01:06:33,500
daughter.
The same age and Rose just said,

1081
01:06:33,500 --> 01:06:36,100
she's gone to live with her
mother and bloody good brains.

1082
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:40,000
Rose stored her body in the pool
seller of their home.

1083
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:43,100
And when Fred got out of jail,
he buried her at the back door

1084
01:06:43,100 --> 01:06:45,700
of the building.
She also wasn't found until

1085
01:06:45,700 --> 01:06:49,300
1994.
Her remains were missing patella

1086
01:06:49,300 --> 01:06:53,600
fingers, wrist, bones toes and
ankle bones, which you're going

1087
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:55,000
to.
This is consistent.

1088
01:06:55,300 --> 01:06:58,500
All of the bodies that were
going to talk about fairly soon.

1089
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,600
Or all missing these parts and
they never found them and Fred

1090
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:05,100
never explained why he kept
them.

1091
01:07:06,500 --> 01:07:08,300
We're okay.
Yeah.

1092
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:12,700
Now right, I came back to see
her children in August of 1971

1093
01:07:12,900 --> 01:07:15,400
and she stopped at Fred's,
parents house to ask, where he

1094
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:20,400
would be It's believed that run
a confronted right at the house,

1095
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:22,600
on Midland was like where
Charmaine.

1096
01:07:23,300 --> 01:07:26,300
So he agreed to take her to her,
foster parents house, but

1097
01:07:26,300 --> 01:07:29,500
instead strangled, her to death
in his car, her remains were

1098
01:07:29,500 --> 01:07:33,700
found dismembered a mile from
Fred childhood home, and because

1099
01:07:33,700 --> 01:07:36,300
of the tubing found with the
remains, they think that she was

1100
01:07:36,300 --> 01:07:39,100
tied up and potentially was
assaulted before her death.

1101
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:44,000
No one even looked for Rena or
reported him missing because

1102
01:07:44,100 --> 01:07:46,800
people in Scotland just assumed
that she had moved back in with

1103
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,800
Fred, And people in England
assumed that she had gone back

1104
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:55,200
to Scotland.
After the summer of murder.

1105
01:07:56,500 --> 01:08:01,400
Fred and Rose were kind of
bonded together, but I promised

1106
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,300
he would keep her secret.
And she said, she would keep his

1107
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:08,900
but the stress and guilt kind of
ate at Rose one day, she picked

1108
01:08:08,900 --> 01:08:13,600
up Heather, and went back to her
dad, and was just like, I need

1109
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:16,300
somewhere to stay at her, dad's,
like you made your choice.

1110
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:20,100
I wash my hands of you.
And Fred actually showed up at

1111
01:08:20,100 --> 01:08:23,700
the house to pick her up and
Rose Point at him and said, you

1112
01:08:23,700 --> 01:08:26,200
don't know him, there's nothing
he wouldn't do even more.

1113
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:28,800
Murder.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure he

1114
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:29,899
wouldn't murder.
I'm pretty sure.

1115
01:08:29,899 --> 01:08:34,600
I know that part.
Her parents turn their heads and

1116
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,300
front of her home.
She had been honest with that

1117
01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:40,600
didn't matter her parents were
like she's being dramatic.

1118
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:46,200
Rose looked at this as Bill and
Daisy failing her again.

1119
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:51,399
Now, with Rena gone and a
partner in crime, Frank and Mary

1120
01:08:51,399 --> 01:08:56,000
Rose, and they did January 29th
1972, just the register's office

1121
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:58,500
and no one came Judge.
John to be a witness to his

1122
01:08:58,500 --> 01:09:01,899
brothers, second wedding.
A few months later, the family

1123
01:09:01,899 --> 01:09:04,500
and a now pregnant rules moved
to Cromwell Street.

1124
01:09:04,500 --> 01:09:07,399
They stay there for a pretty
long time, it was rented from

1125
01:09:07,399 --> 01:09:09,700
the Town Council until Friday
was able to buy it for that

1126
01:09:09,700 --> 01:09:12,600
seven thousand Pounds, which is
a little under 10,000 dollars

1127
01:09:13,399 --> 01:09:15,800
which is not a lot for a
three-bedroom home, but I'm

1128
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:20,000
going to tell you So I got three
bedroom, three story home.

1129
01:09:21,700 --> 01:09:24,399
In today's money that would have
been a hundred two thousand

1130
01:09:24,399 --> 01:09:28,800
pounds and 138 thousand dollars
which to be fair is a steal.

1131
01:09:28,899 --> 01:09:34,200
Yeah, I three-story house for
only 138 thousand dollars, it's

1132
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:38,600
incredible.
Yeah, that sounds Wonder UK

1133
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,399
folks.
Is your real estate doing better

1134
01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:44,100
than the us?
Because we are dying over here.

1135
01:09:45,300 --> 01:09:47,899
Now to pay for the house, you
actually converted the top two

1136
01:09:47,899 --> 01:09:51,300
floors into like, what we would
call it the rooming house.

1137
01:09:53,500 --> 01:09:56,300
And he added a kitchen and a
wash been on the first floor, so

1138
01:09:56,300 --> 01:09:59,800
that he and his family didn't
have to share with the strangers

1139
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:04,800
upstairs.
With June of 72 comes the birth

1140
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:08,700
of May June.
West on June first rose.

1141
01:10:08,700 --> 01:10:11,600
Begins escorting again, right?
Afterward to help pay for the

1142
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:14,800
house.
Apparently on top of sex work

1143
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,100
Rose will also bed.
Many of the people who rented

1144
01:10:17,100 --> 01:10:19,600
from them.
She was pretty much insatiable

1145
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:22,600
and friend was cool with it as
long as he could watch.

1146
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,700
In fact, she had a room that
they called roses room on the

1147
01:10:25,700 --> 01:10:30,700
second floor and he drilled
holes in the other room to watch

1148
01:10:30,700 --> 01:10:35,700
her.
While she had sex with customer.

1149
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:42,200
and, The other Factor that's
we're here.

1150
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:44,400
It's really interesting.
This was good for Rose because

1151
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:48,200
she was actually getting the sex
she wanted because even though

1152
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:55,400
Fred was into some real gross
stuff, Rose said that he refused

1153
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:58,000
cunnilingus and he was creeped
out by her period.

1154
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,500
And she thought that was odd
because he was not creeped out

1155
01:11:00,500 --> 01:11:04,100
by feces.
Regardless, this is how that you

1156
01:11:04,100 --> 01:11:07,800
have remained happily married,
both of them banging everybody,

1157
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:09,600
they couldn't lock.
Is stir-fried getting his

1158
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:13,100
jollies watching through that
people also he was real into the

1159
01:11:13,100 --> 01:11:16,600
fact that her clients were
Jamaican and Indian which is

1160
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:19,900
wild because he didn't like his
first wife some x-rays child.

1161
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:27,000
Strangely racist.
Yes and weird.

1162
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:31,500
Yes, regardless.
No I told you he's definitely

1163
01:11:31,500 --> 01:11:34,700
racist since Rose is bring in
the big bucks.

1164
01:11:34,900 --> 01:11:37,300
She was controlling all the
money and Fred even gave her all

1165
01:11:37,300 --> 01:11:41,300
of his money to make sure things
were P, September of 1972,

1166
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:45,700
Annamarie.
West, 8 years old, This is

1167
01:11:45,700 --> 01:11:48,600
pretty rough.
There's no way to explain this

1168
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,500
and not tell you that this is
probably one of the worst

1169
01:11:51,700 --> 01:11:53,600
explanations.
And the reason why we have such

1170
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:56,200
a good explanation of this is
because Anna Maria still alive.

1171
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:00,300
She said that Rosen, Fred let
her is the seller, stripped her

1172
01:12:00,300 --> 01:12:04,800
bound and gagged her Fred raped
her afterward Rose, followed her

1173
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:08,000
to the bathroom and laughed in
her and told her, I'm sorry,

1174
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:11,100
everybody that's to ever grow.
It's a father's job, don't worry

1175
01:12:11,100 --> 01:12:13,000
and don't say anything to
anybody.

1176
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:20,700
This goes on for the next.
Five years, when she's 13, they

1177
01:12:20,700 --> 01:12:23,100
force her to work as a
prostitute out of the home.

1178
01:12:23,500 --> 01:12:25,300
She lost she had the line to the
client.

1179
01:12:25,300 --> 01:12:27,900
She's 16.
Rosewood actually, wait in the

1180
01:12:27,900 --> 01:12:32,400
room during the appointments.
This one on until Anna was 16,

1181
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:40,000
and we're away from home.
So may was also sexually

1182
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,200
assaulted.
She has written about her Time

1183
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:45,100
in the West home.
And she also the house of hers,

1184
01:12:45,500 --> 01:12:47,300
she mentions that she was raped
by her.

1185
01:12:47,300 --> 01:12:54,300
Uncle, John 5, Yeah, that
brother and then later on by

1186
01:12:54,300 --> 01:12:57,400
Friday she got older may also
left the house at 16.

1187
01:12:57,700 --> 01:12:59,900
All of the West girls are raped
by their parents.

1188
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:04,800
So was the older brother Stephen
that started when he was 13

1189
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:09,500
years old.
The only children who seem to be

1190
01:13:09,500 --> 01:13:14,500
absolved in this or three kids
that Rose had out of wedlock

1191
01:13:15,100 --> 01:13:18,600
with clients and I don't know if
Fred just wasn't interested in

1192
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:21,000
them because they weren't his
daughters.

1193
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:25,100
One of the girls her name was
Tara actually feels that way.

1194
01:13:25,700 --> 01:13:28,400
She's talked about that in the
press and said that the reason

1195
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:31,200
why I wasn't sexually.
So for this because Fred only

1196
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:37,800
wanted to rape his kids, Which
is so fucking weird fucking

1197
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:41,300
wild, right is and the worst
part about this, is the children

1198
01:13:41,300 --> 01:13:45,500
were removed from their care
until their youngest one of the

1199
01:13:45,500 --> 01:13:49,500
youngest girls will be, he's was
13 and she told someone she was

1200
01:13:49,508 --> 01:13:54,100
being raped for reference.
Louise was born in 1978, which

1201
01:13:54,100 --> 01:13:58,400
means the West children lived
like this until 1991.

1202
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:05,000
And I don't think they were
removed until 92, so, and it

1203
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:06,200
wouldn't be 90.
It wasn't.

1204
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:10,100
Until 1994 when the family was
fingered for the 12 murders.

1205
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:14,300
But we're going to talk about
those 12 murders because right

1206
01:14:14,300 --> 01:14:17,100
about now the west of only
killed four people.

1207
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:22,400
So back in our timeline, October
of 1972, the family hired,

1208
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:27,300
Caroline always is, Caroline is
referred to as the one who

1209
01:14:27,300 --> 01:14:31,900
survived.
Now she lived in the house for a

1210
01:14:31,900 --> 01:14:33,800
couple nights and the promise
was that, they would take her

1211
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:35,900
back to her parents house on
Tuesday, so she could be with

1212
01:14:35,900 --> 01:14:38,600
her family.
Rose told her that she worked as

1213
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:41,900
a masseuse in a room in the
upstairs and apparently fraud

1214
01:14:41,900 --> 01:14:45,400
her fried told her he was a real
good abortionist and that, you

1215
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:49,100
know, just in case you ever need
my services which Caroline

1216
01:14:49,100 --> 01:14:55,800
thought was very odd.
Caroline said that the weirdness

1217
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:58,900
with them started with Fred
talking about sex and non-stop,

1218
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:02,700
kind of, as a way to see if she
was into things.

1219
01:15:03,100 --> 01:15:05,600
The thing is, what worked on
Rose did not work on Carolina.

1220
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,200
In fact, she was just like
listen at the end of the month

1221
01:15:08,300 --> 01:15:10,900
I'm leaving.
And you already paid me for the

1222
01:15:10,900 --> 01:15:13,100
first part of the month, you
know, for this for the month.

1223
01:15:13,100 --> 01:15:16,800
So when the time you paid me for
is over, I'm going.

1224
01:15:19,100 --> 01:15:21,200
What happened next was that the
couple decided they were going

1225
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:24,600
to abduct her on the highway
leaving at home, but in

1226
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:30,000
actuality what happened?
Was that on December 6, 1972?

1227
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:33,500
They put on the Waterworks, they
apologize.

1228
01:15:33,500 --> 01:15:35,500
We're so sorry.
We made you feel uncomfortable.

1229
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:38,900
Will even take you back home to
your parents.

1230
01:15:39,300 --> 01:15:40,800
Carolyn thought?
This was sincere.

1231
01:15:41,300 --> 01:15:45,000
She packed up her stuff, but in
their car, Immediately as they

1232
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,700
drove away, Rose started like
touching her.

1233
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:51,200
When Caroline tried to get away
for a knocked her out.

1234
01:15:51,300 --> 01:15:53,700
They bound and gagged her took
her into the cellar.

1235
01:15:54,700 --> 01:15:57,800
But you repeatedly assaulted her
and be her when she was

1236
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:00,100
screened, she was almost
strangled to death.

1237
01:16:00,300 --> 01:16:03,100
So she realized she needed to be
compliant.

1238
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:08,200
Then she tried to scream when
neither of them were there, but

1239
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:11,400
Fred was in the house and one of
the kids was there and fried

1240
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:14,800
told her that if she didn't shut
up, he would let some of his

1241
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:19,300
black friends have their way
with her and bury her with the

1242
01:16:19,300 --> 01:16:22,300
100 other young girls under the
streets of Gloucester.

1243
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:29,000
I just love the Casual racism.
It just got thrown in there.

1244
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,800
Yeah, Roger you even have any
black friends.

1245
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,000
I doubt it.
I doubt it.

1246
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:39,600
This is terrible that went on
for days.

1247
01:16:40,700 --> 01:16:46,900
And then they calmly asked her.
Well, you couldn't well,

1248
01:16:46,900 --> 01:16:49,700
Caroline sees us as her Escape
Plan and she's like, no,

1249
01:16:49,700 --> 01:16:51,700
absolutely totally.
She goes.

1250
01:16:51,700 --> 01:16:55,300
Upstairs, starts cleaning the
house, vacuuming and stuff.

1251
01:16:56,000 --> 01:17:00,400
And then she and Rose go to a
laundromat to wash the clothes.

1252
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,000
She takes off running and does
the stop it.

1253
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:05,800
So she gets home.
Told her mom, mom reports to the

1254
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:09,200
police Rosa Fred.
Go to court for this is thought

1255
01:17:09,300 --> 01:17:13,600
the salt on January. 1973 with
Caroline was too scared to face

1256
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:17,100
them again and without the
testimony the defense Twisted,

1257
01:17:17,100 --> 01:17:22,200
the story until it seems like
she and asked for and she wanted

1258
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:27,800
this couple to her, it couldn't
hold the West for the assault

1259
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:31,200
charge and so they were able to
plead down to indecent assault

1260
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:36,200
and causing actual bodily harm
was a 50-pound fine with no jail

1261
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:38,800
time.
Caroline heard the news.

1262
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:41,400
She tried to kill herself.
She's doing a lot better now.

1263
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,700
She also wrote about this
experience as a way to kind of

1264
01:17:44,900 --> 01:17:49,900
release it from her system.
Just three months after that

1265
01:17:49,900 --> 01:17:52,000
trial.
They are back at it again.

1266
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:54,600
This time having learn from the
mistake.

1267
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:58,500
Don't let the girl go killer
their victim was Linda.

1268
01:17:58,500 --> 01:18:03,500
Go a 19 year old woman who
actually she had been visiting

1269
01:18:03,700 --> 01:18:08,000
one of the men who rented a room
upstairs and had a couple of

1270
01:18:08,008 --> 01:18:09,900
down with a couple of those
guys.

1271
01:18:10,300 --> 01:18:13,500
This was a sign for Fred that
Linda might be a, you know, game

1272
01:18:13,500 --> 01:18:16,800
for their sexual perversions.
They offer her a job as a nanny.

1273
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:19,800
She told her family, she she was
moving into a flat in the city

1274
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:21,500
and her parents didn't like it
at all.

1275
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,700
But on April 19th, just two
weeks before her 20th birthday

1276
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:27,600
and his mom came home.
She all of Linda's stuff gone.

1277
01:18:28,700 --> 01:18:31,700
And a letter being like, listen,
I'll be back around to see you

1278
01:18:31,700 --> 01:18:35,100
soon or parents assume she just
needed some space but she never

1279
01:18:35,100 --> 01:18:39,000
came home.
Now, Linda was okay with it from

1280
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:45,200
Stones, which was what they had.
Proposed in reality, they

1281
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:50,300
tortured her until she died and
buried her under their home, in

1282
01:18:50,300 --> 01:18:53,400
the inspection pit, in the
garage behind the house.

1283
01:18:55,100 --> 01:18:58,600
Despite there being more than
enough room to bury this body,

1284
01:18:59,300 --> 01:19:02,500
he cut her into pieces which is
not a lot of people to believe

1285
01:19:02,500 --> 01:19:05,600
that he got a little thrill from
chopping people up.

1286
01:19:06,100 --> 01:19:10,200
It sounds like it.
When does Mom began looking for

1287
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:14,000
her?
The West said, oh, she did watch

1288
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,700
her kids for a little bit, but
she hit one of them and we fired

1289
01:19:16,700 --> 01:19:20,700
her.
Charlie and Cooper was the next

1290
01:19:20,700 --> 01:19:24,400
victim November 10th 1973.
She went to the movies with her

1291
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:28,100
friends and she was last seen
getting on a bus at 9.

1292
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:31,200
We don't know a lot about Carol,
but it's safe to say they more

1293
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:33,300
than likely tortured.
Her just like they did the

1294
01:19:33,300 --> 01:19:35,400
others.
She was dismembered buried in

1295
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:38,900
the cellar when Carol was
reported missing.

1296
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:44,000
The westward even suspects.
They were never seen with her.

1297
01:19:45,500 --> 01:19:49,700
sometime between December of
1973 and January of 1974, the

1298
01:19:49,700 --> 01:19:53,900
killed Lucy Parkington Lucy was
actually, a really affluent

1299
01:19:53,900 --> 01:19:56,200
girl, who was the cousin of an
English novelist?

1300
01:19:56,300 --> 01:19:59,500
She just finished, her secondary
education, she was enrolled in

1301
01:19:59,500 --> 01:20:02,800
Exeter University, she had been
traveling home to her family in

1302
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:05,700
Cheltenham.
While at home she went to see a

1303
01:20:05,708 --> 01:20:08,600
friend of December 27th.
And she was last seen fleeing to

1304
01:20:08,608 --> 01:20:11,900
catch a bus home.
She was reported missing right

1305
01:20:11,900 --> 01:20:14,600
away but there was no connection
to the West.

1306
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:17,300
So, while the world was
searching for her, she was being

1307
01:20:17,300 --> 01:20:21,600
tortured for probably weeks. in
fact, Fred accidentally cut

1308
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:29,500
himself while dismembering her,
which is why they had a almost

1309
01:20:29,500 --> 01:20:33,400
picture of what kind of knife
would have been used for it, so

1310
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:36,900
that when her remains were found
two decades later, they were

1311
01:20:36,900 --> 01:20:41,900
able to compare And it was the
same knife used to chop a balla

1312
01:20:41,900 --> 01:20:48,600
bodies, April of 74, brings her
next victim, 21 year old Teresa

1313
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:52,400
sick and Thaller a well-off
educated lady from Switzerland.

1314
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:55,800
Teresa was a bit rebellious and
instead of going to secondary

1315
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:58,300
school she told her parents.
She was gonna go to secretarial

1316
01:20:58,300 --> 01:21:01,900
school and then she was
attending me what, which college

1317
01:21:01,900 --> 01:21:05,700
of further education in London
just before Easter and 74.

1318
01:21:05,700 --> 01:21:08,500
She decided to hitchhike to
Ireland when she failed to

1319
01:21:08,500 --> 01:21:10,600
return.
Holmes before classes.

1320
01:21:10,900 --> 01:21:15,400
She was reported missing on
April 26, 1974.

1321
01:21:18,900 --> 01:21:22,100
In November of 1974, they
kidnap, surely Hubbard, Shirley

1322
01:21:22,100 --> 01:21:24,400
was 15.
She worked at a grocery store

1323
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:29,700
and wish Worcester Remember
14th.

1324
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:33,700
Yes, we're only laughing because
this is one of the ones that I

1325
01:21:33,700 --> 01:21:35,900
looked up and still struggle to
sing.

1326
01:21:35,900 --> 01:21:41,800
It's Worcester.
On November 14th, she left her

1327
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:44,400
job to head home.
She was never heard from again.

1328
01:21:44,900 --> 01:21:47,300
Her remains were found until 20
years later.

1329
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:52,000
And what they did find in 94,
was that Shirley was a marked

1330
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:53,900
sign of an increase in the
couple's.

1331
01:21:53,900 --> 01:21:58,300
Torture, her head was covered in
like duct tape, and they had

1332
01:21:58,300 --> 01:22:01,300
inserted plastic tubes into her
nose to breathe.

1333
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:05,800
They were now doing like, forced
BDSM.

1334
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:12,800
Now things slow down as far as
the insults go in April of 1975,

1335
01:22:13,500 --> 01:22:17,900
the next murder was kind of
important because Juanita Mott

1336
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:21,500
ended their string of stranger
pickups and this seems kind of

1337
01:22:21,508 --> 01:22:24,700
stupid because they were moving
from this person doesn't know us

1338
01:22:24,700 --> 01:22:27,900
to this person knows us but the
people who often needed a room

1339
01:22:27,900 --> 01:22:30,900
in the west house where usually
people on the Run running from

1340
01:22:30,900 --> 01:22:33,800
home estranged from family and
that made them good victim

1341
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:35,700
because nobody was looking for
them.

1342
01:22:36,900 --> 01:22:39,800
And now they didn't have to risk
going out on the highway or the

1343
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:42,100
bus stops to pick someone up
because their victims were

1344
01:22:42,108 --> 01:22:46,500
staying at their house.
Juanita was the daughter of an

1345
01:22:46,500 --> 01:22:49,200
American Service family which
I'm assuming is military.

1346
01:22:49,500 --> 01:22:52,400
She was a rebellious teen had
dropped out of school at 15 run

1347
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:54,500
away from home.
She lived with another run away,

1348
01:22:54,500 --> 01:22:58,500
but left on April 11th 1975.
And she said, she'd be back the

1349
01:22:58,500 --> 01:23:01,400
next day when she didn't come
back, her friend actually

1350
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:04,000
contacted her parents, and they
filed a missing persons report.

1351
01:23:04,900 --> 01:23:08,200
She stopped by the West to write
a room and took her to the

1352
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:11,500
cellar where she being tied up
without her consent.

1353
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:14,600
They actually found on her
remains.

1354
01:23:14,700 --> 01:23:19,100
It's a mess of very complicated
knots all over her and she had

1355
01:23:19,100 --> 01:23:23,900
been gagged She was the last to
be buried under the cellar.

1356
01:23:25,500 --> 01:23:28,600
After this Brad we cemented the
entire Cellar, turned it into a

1357
01:23:28,608 --> 01:23:30,300
basement bedroom, for one of the
children.

1358
01:23:31,500 --> 01:23:36,600
And the to stop killing altar 76
and 77 row Center business.

1359
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:40,700
Seen clients running pretty much
a tiny brothel out of one of the

1360
01:23:40,700 --> 01:23:46,800
upstairs bedrooms according to
Rose her father Bill even showed

1361
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:50,600
up to be a client as did the
Gloucester Police, which of

1362
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:55,200
course, they have denied.
Mmm-hmm Rose, gave birth to a

1363
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:58,400
mixed-race daughter Tara at the
end of 1977.

1364
01:23:59,500 --> 01:24:02,900
The rest of the kids kept the
house clean and were assaulted

1365
01:24:02,900 --> 01:24:05,600
by their parents as part of
their daily lives.

1366
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:09,600
I think during this time, the
reason why they didn't have any

1367
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:13,200
kills was that Fred was
revamping the upstairs rooms,

1368
01:24:14,500 --> 01:24:18,100
Because right after the
remodeling was done, they went

1369
01:24:18,100 --> 01:24:22,400
back to murder.
Shirley Robinson was their next

1370
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:26,900
victim in April of 1978.
She was a prostitute and teen

1371
01:24:26,900 --> 01:24:30,200
runaway who need a place to
stay, she agreed to work in

1372
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:34,000
roses little brothel to live
there what she did for months.

1373
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:39,400
And when the West approached her
for sex, she didn't say, no.

1374
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:43,500
And she got pregnant.
We aren't really sure why they

1375
01:24:43,500 --> 01:24:47,800
decided suddenly kill her.
Maybe they got tired of the fact

1376
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:51,700
that Shirley consented Some
people think it was because Rose

1377
01:24:51,700 --> 01:24:57,500
was jealous that front lecture.
As usual fried dismembered her.

1378
01:24:57,700 --> 01:25:01,000
And since the basement was paved
over now she was buried in their

1379
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:03,200
backyard.
Their daughter.

1380
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:06,500
Louise.
Born November 1978 and Rose's.

1381
01:25:06,500 --> 01:25:11,000
Father also dies 17 may have 79
for a long infection.

1382
01:25:12,500 --> 01:25:14,800
Next victim was Allison Jean
Chambers.

1383
01:25:15,100 --> 01:25:25,000
She was a young girl.
She was working at the you

1384
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:28,100
training scheme for City
solicitors and was in a home for

1385
01:25:28,100 --> 01:25:30,300
troubled.
Girls, Ryan for you.

1386
01:25:30,300 --> 01:25:34,100
A solicitor's kind of like a
lawyer but this one worked for

1387
01:25:34,100 --> 01:25:36,300
the city.
I'll send was last seen on

1388
01:25:36,300 --> 01:25:40,200
August 1979, she'd been doing
well at the home but it wasn't

1389
01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:42,600
uncommon for girls to run away
so they didn't really look for

1390
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:43,900
her.
They just told her parents.

1391
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:47,900
The West had actually offered
her Freedom, one of Alison's

1392
01:25:47,900 --> 01:25:51,200
friends would tell the police,
that the West kind of offer them

1393
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:52,900
the chance to be a part of a
family.

1394
01:25:53,100 --> 01:25:56,900
And then after a few weeks,
things would get creepy for I

1395
01:25:56,900 --> 01:26:00,700
would become overly sexual.
He talked about his Kinks to see

1396
01:26:00,900 --> 01:26:04,500
if you were into it.
Allison's friend, was like, I

1397
01:26:04,500 --> 01:26:07,400
can see the writing on the walls
here, they're going to ask me to

1398
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:10,400
have sex to stay with them.
I'm Gonna Leave.

1399
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:15,800
Okay, I'm gonna head out.
Yeah, well Allison didn't leave.

1400
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:18,400
And she became my mother.
She would later.

1401
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:22,900
Be found in their backyard.
R8 years pass.

1402
01:26:24,500 --> 01:26:28,000
Rose gives birth to three more
times, to more racial children.

1403
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:31,900
And one final one to Fred making
the total of kids in this house,

1404
01:26:32,100 --> 01:26:35,800
Heather Anne made you the
Stephen Tara, Barry, Louise

1405
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:38,700
Rosemary and Luciana.
Yes, you did named one of her

1406
01:26:38,700 --> 01:26:45,400
daughter's after herself.
Like I said before, fried did

1407
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:47,700
not rape the children who are
not his biological kids.

1408
01:26:49,100 --> 01:26:51,300
And the thing is, even though it
was happening to all of them,

1409
01:26:52,500 --> 01:26:54,700
they were in survival mode and
they didn't speak up because

1410
01:26:54,700 --> 01:26:58,600
they were scared that they would
be next friends, oldest child,

1411
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:02,300
and half daughter to wrote
stepdaughter to Rose, Annamarie.

1412
01:27:02,300 --> 01:27:06,900
Got it worse in 1979, she got
pregnant, it was ectopic.

1413
01:27:06,900 --> 01:27:11,000
So it had to be terminated.
That would have most definitely

1414
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:13,700
been from Fred.
As she was only 15.

1415
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:16,200
Also, it was like, who's his
dad?

1416
01:27:16,500 --> 01:27:21,300
She would not answer.
And in fact after that, she

1417
01:27:21,300 --> 01:27:25,300
moved out and December of 1979.
It was like the first boyfriend,

1418
01:27:25,300 --> 01:27:29,100
she could find.
Her parents didn't seem to care.

1419
01:27:29,100 --> 01:27:31,300
They still had Heather, and
makes him the last.

1420
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:35,100
And Stephen who was being
sexually assaulted by Rose.

1421
01:27:38,100 --> 01:27:42,200
They Rose continue to beat them.
Pretty much becoming her.

1422
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:46,400
Father, it would be 31 hospital
visits over the next eight

1423
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:50,600
years.
Heather.

1424
01:27:52,100 --> 01:27:55,400
Had never really been a willing
participant, some of the kids.

1425
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:58,400
They've, I like ice cream for
candies a little ones to be

1426
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:02,500
quiet, but she would fight fry.
And he actually called her a

1427
01:28:02,500 --> 01:28:06,300
lesbian because she fought him
when he tried to rape her.

1428
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:08,600
They beat her to try and break
her.

1429
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:13,200
She never made it easy for him.
It's gonna be touched by any

1430
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:17,600
more raped motherfucker.
It was this fighting spirit that

1431
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:20,800
probably out of troubles.
Bright originally admitted to

1432
01:28:20,808 --> 01:28:24,000
killing his daughter.
But later blamed it on rose that

1433
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:25,500
your neighbors.
Do remember Rose?

1434
01:28:25,500 --> 01:28:27,500
And Heather having a pretty
horrible fight.

1435
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:31,700
Heather.
It actually told a friend about

1436
01:28:31,700 --> 01:28:35,100
her father's abuse and the girl
I told her parents but those

1437
01:28:35,100 --> 01:28:38,400
parents were friends with the
west and didn't believe it.

1438
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:42,700
Some people think she was killed
because she told which means she

1439
01:28:42,700 --> 01:28:46,300
knows she broke the family
loyalty others because she

1440
01:28:46,300 --> 01:28:49,900
fought back.
But either way in June of 1987,

1441
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:54,800
she was dismembered and put in
the backyard and then Fred built

1442
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:58,900
a patio on top of it.
And told the other kids Heather

1443
01:28:58,900 --> 01:29:02,600
ran away with a lesbian lover.
But then eventually they told

1444
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:06,300
the kids One time Fred was like
making a joke and he was like,

1445
01:29:06,300 --> 01:29:09,200
listen behave or you'll end up
under the patio like Heather.

1446
01:29:11,300 --> 01:29:14,700
After that, they stop killing as
far as we know, as I mentioned

1447
01:29:14,700 --> 01:29:17,100
Louisa, be the child to bring
attention to their family and

1448
01:29:17,100 --> 01:29:21,500
1991 92.
It started in May of 91 ladies

1449
01:29:21,500 --> 01:29:23,500
was 13.
Fred asked her to bring

1450
01:29:23,500 --> 01:29:26,500
something to him on the first
floor and he attacked her.

1451
01:29:26,500 --> 01:29:29,300
Well, Rose wasn't home.
Her siblings for her scream,

1452
01:29:29,300 --> 01:29:32,500
they found her on the floor,
sobbing, he had raped her

1453
01:29:32,500 --> 01:29:34,800
sodomized her and almost
strangled her to death.

1454
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:39,200
When she told her mom roses just
like you were asking for it and

1455
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:42,300
over the next few weeks it
happened three More times, I'm

1456
01:29:42,300 --> 01:29:44,200
Rose even witnessed one of the
attacks.

1457
01:29:44,900 --> 01:29:49,500
So August Louise told a friend,
what happened and on August 4th

1458
01:29:49,500 --> 01:29:52,000
that friend's mom told the
police anonymously.

1459
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:56,400
Their police did a routine
search and I found like well

1460
01:29:56,400 --> 01:30:01,600
over 100 's like stacks of porn.
They found tapes of what went on

1461
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:06,200
in roses room.
They tried spread with rape and

1462
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:09,400
sodomy of a minor Rose was
charged with assisting, an abuse

1463
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:12,900
of a minor all five.
Younger children were taken into

1464
01:30:12,900 --> 01:30:16,000
custody.
The detective on this case,

1465
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:19,300
Hazel Savage new friend from his
early years of fever.

1466
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:23,700
The first thing Hazel's realized
was that Rena and Charmaine West

1467
01:30:23,700 --> 01:30:26,600
weren't just gone from Fred's
life but they weren't anywhere

1468
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:33,400
in any English records.
When Anna Marie learns, that her

1469
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:38,600
dad was denying all the charges
she sought out Hazel and Hazel

1470
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:43,000
did it took down this interview
about all of the abuse that

1471
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:46,000
Hannah Marie had been enduring
since she was 8 years old?

1472
01:30:47,700 --> 01:30:51,000
Hazel also became suspicious
about Heather when she went

1473
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:54,800
through, all the family videos
and didn't see anything for

1474
01:30:54,800 --> 01:31:00,700
Heather past, 1987 weird
interest, which right?

1475
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:04,400
Unfortunately the rape case
falls apart when Anna Marie and

1476
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:07,000
Louise don't want to testify
even though they had already

1477
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:09,100
given us one test statements to
the police.

1478
01:31:09,500 --> 01:31:14,500
Because it's It's really
terrible.

1479
01:31:14,500 --> 01:31:16,900
You know what I mean?
To make someone who went through

1480
01:31:16,900 --> 01:31:20,800
horrible things.
Now, we count them again in

1481
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:26,000
front of a room full of people.
But the West get acquitted in

1482
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:29,300
June of 1993.
Annamarie, bags, detective,

1483
01:31:29,300 --> 01:31:34,700
Savage to keep looking for Rena
and Charmaine The County however

1484
01:31:34,700 --> 01:31:38,100
did not hand the kids back.
Sorry not it's not County but

1485
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:41,900
you know it's equivalent.
So the West were only allowed

1486
01:31:41,900 --> 01:31:43,600
supervised visits with the
children.

1487
01:31:44,300 --> 01:31:47,200
Now as we look into Rena and
Charmaine and Heather it's

1488
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:50,000
apparent that they are dead but
they need proof.

1489
01:31:51,700 --> 01:31:54,900
Several of the younger children
had reported the phrase, you'll

1490
01:31:54,900 --> 01:31:58,900
end up like Heather under the
porch that threat and they were

1491
01:31:58,900 --> 01:32:02,600
able to use that to get a
warrant to check the backyard.

1492
01:32:03,400 --> 01:32:08,800
And when the police arrived on
February 24th with the warrant

1493
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:10,900
Rose was kind of flipping an
arrogant.

1494
01:32:10,900 --> 01:32:17,000
So she read it and then they
said she went pale as the police

1495
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:18,700
dug up the backyard and
questioned her.

1496
01:32:18,700 --> 01:32:20,500
She was like I can't fucking
remember.

1497
01:32:20,500 --> 01:32:21,900
It's a boy.
Bloody long time ago.

1498
01:32:21,900 --> 01:32:23,700
Who do you think?
I am a computer?

1499
01:32:24,900 --> 01:32:27,900
Their son, Stephen called fried
and Fred was like, I'll be home

1500
01:32:27,900 --> 01:32:31,200
from my job and Stroud, as soon
as I can, when he got there,

1501
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:33,600
three hours later, he was
spouting this bizarre story

1502
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:37,700
about Heather who was involved
with the drug cartels and the

1503
01:32:37,700 --> 01:32:41,000
patio thing was just a joke.
The police did not take this

1504
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:43,800
seriously.
And when they didn't take it,

1505
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:47,100
seriously fried actually showed
up and reported the police who

1506
01:32:47,100 --> 01:32:51,500
were in his yard.
Saying that they were harassing

1507
01:32:51,500 --> 01:32:54,200
him because of the prior year
case.

1508
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:59,500
Yeah, he was like, y'all are
just harassing me because you

1509
01:32:59,500 --> 01:33:02,100
couldn't get me on the right
place from last year.

1510
01:33:03,700 --> 01:33:06,000
S you because someone says
something about a body in your

1511
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:08,200
backyard sir.
Yeah.

1512
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:10,900
Day one of digging, they haven't
found feather but the police are

1513
01:33:10,900 --> 01:33:12,900
allowed to ask about the entire
backyard.

1514
01:33:13,500 --> 01:33:16,000
They leave an armed guard at the
site and go home.

1515
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:21,200
The following morning, Fred
tells Steven look after your mom

1516
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:24,000
and sell the house, I've done
something really bad.

1517
01:33:24,100 --> 01:33:26,500
I want you to go to the papers
and make as much money as you

1518
01:33:26,500 --> 01:33:29,000
can.
Stephen totally doesn't

1519
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:34,200
understand this.
When the police arrived to dig

1520
01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:37,100
again price, just like listen, I
kill my daughter.

1521
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:41,400
Let's get this over with, he
told the police.

1522
01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:43,600
They had a fight, he strangled
her in a fit of rage.

1523
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:45,800
It was totally an accident
manslaughter.

1524
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:48,600
He's like I cut her up so it'd
be easier to barrier, then he

1525
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:53,600
asked for an attorney.
At this point on there would go

1526
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:57,300
on to be hours of bizarre
testimony from that it is still

1527
01:33:57,300 --> 01:34:01,500
on video and it is super weird.
But him talking about stuff like

1528
01:34:01,500 --> 01:34:05,800
the sound it made when he cut up
different parts of Heather's

1529
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:09,600
body.
But they were like, alright, if

1530
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:11,700
you did it show us where the
body is.

1531
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:15,300
So he goes back home, he points
it out on February 25th.

1532
01:34:16,900 --> 01:34:21,100
I don't know what Frank invest.
I wonder if he thought that if

1533
01:34:22,300 --> 01:34:25,400
He confessed they would stop
like what the police were like,

1534
01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:30,600
no, well she okay, just go
backwards a little bit.

1535
01:34:30,900 --> 01:34:35,300
So like with him, like first
confessing to say, oh yeah, I

1536
01:34:35,300 --> 01:34:38,000
strangled her in like a fit of
rage and then talking about

1537
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:39,800
cutting up her body, how it
sound it.

1538
01:34:39,800 --> 01:34:42,200
I'm like that's not very
inconsistent.

1539
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:45,100
Yeah, like sure that sounds like
you enjoyed it.

1540
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:48,700
Yeah, there's also hours of him
talking about his dad and

1541
01:34:48,700 --> 01:34:52,700
bestiality and stuff and these
tapes like he was just Going

1542
01:34:55,500 --> 01:35:01,100
after that day of testimony on
the 25th, the 26th, they

1543
01:35:01,100 --> 01:35:04,700
continue the Dig.
It took really long because it

1544
01:35:04,700 --> 01:35:07,800
was very rainy in the UK that
year and they weren't really

1545
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:09,600
digging, they were sifting
through mud.

1546
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:20,800
At 1 p.m. on February 26th, Ted
recant, his testimony. he's like

1547
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:24,900
Heather's in Bahrain working for
a drug cartel at 4:00 p.m., they

1548
01:35:24,900 --> 01:35:30,800
find a femur, it was nowhere
where friend had told them And

1549
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:33,100
Fred said that only had there
was in the backyard, so they

1550
01:35:33,100 --> 01:35:36,000
brought the bone to a
pathologist or not night and

1551
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:39,300
night went to the dig site and
he was able to recover a full

1552
01:35:39,300 --> 01:35:42,600
set of remains which now means
they have three femurs.

1553
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:47,900
For night is that quoted as
saying either, this woman had

1554
01:35:47,900 --> 01:35:52,000
three legs or we're looking at
more than one body fried.

1555
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:54,000
It mr.
Shirley Robinson describes her

1556
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:56,800
in detail.
Their like, is there anyone else

1557
01:35:57,300 --> 01:35:59,000
he says?
Yeah.

1558
01:36:00,500 --> 01:36:02,600
Both Fred Andros are charged
with killing their daughter.

1559
01:36:02,700 --> 01:36:08,100
They found three bodies so far,
March 4th through his attorney,

1560
01:36:08,200 --> 01:36:10,000
Fred sends a note to the
superintendent.

1561
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:14,600
That says, I friend requests,
authorized my solicitor, how we

1562
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:16,900
robbed in to advise
superintendent Bennett that I

1563
01:36:16,907 --> 01:36:19,500
wished.
You admit a further nine

1564
01:36:19,500 --> 01:36:21,600
killings.
Especially Charmaine ran out,

1565
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:25,800
Linda go and others to be
identified, Brad, Wes and upon

1566
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:27,500
questioning.
He told them where everyone was

1567
01:36:27,500 --> 01:36:30,100
buried.
The police found all six in the

1568
01:36:30,100 --> 01:36:31,700
basement.
The following week and the

1569
01:36:31,700 --> 01:36:34,400
knife, he used to chop them up
with two now.

1570
01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:37,100
Fred tried to say his wife had
nothing to do with it but they

1571
01:36:37,100 --> 01:36:41,100
were leaning on Rose because she
was tied to assaults of two

1572
01:36:41,100 --> 01:36:44,700
children of the 70s.
They refused her bail.

1573
01:36:44,700 --> 01:36:47,800
Move her to a Maximum Security.
Prison began interrogating, her

1574
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:50,000
about Fred's murder on April
25th.

1575
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:52,200
She's charged with Linda goes
murder on.

1576
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:55,000
May 6th both Fred Andros are
charged with five counts of

1577
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:57,000
murder.
Then June thirtieth, nineteen

1578
01:36:57,000 --> 01:36:59,100
ninety-four.
Fred is charged with 12 murders

1579
01:36:59,100 --> 01:37:03,100
and growth 9.
Both denied bail over and over

1580
01:37:03,100 --> 01:37:05,200
Fred tries to like touch his
wife.

1581
01:37:05,200 --> 01:37:09,600
At the Sentencing or not,
segment of the charges.

1582
01:37:09,900 --> 01:37:12,800
And every time he reaches for
her, she pulls away from her

1583
01:37:13,700 --> 01:37:15,800
Fred's deeply depressed.
They actually kept him on

1584
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:20,500
suicide, watch for 11 months.
And that suicide watch was

1585
01:37:20,500 --> 01:37:24,800
someone checking in on him every
15 minutes, 24 hours a day.

1586
01:37:26,100 --> 01:37:28,900
They finally relax the suicide
watch.

1587
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:33,600
Never did.
Nope, January 1st. 1995 Fred

1588
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:35,300
West hangs himself in a cell
with blankets.

1589
01:37:35,300 --> 01:37:37,300
He stole from the laundry room
as soon.

1590
01:37:37,300 --> 01:37:39,800
The night note was next to a
drawing of a gravestone in his

1591
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:44,200
cell at said, and loving memory,
Fred West Rose West.

1592
01:37:44,300 --> 01:37:47,300
Rest in peace were no Shadow
Falls in perfect peace.

1593
01:37:47,300 --> 01:37:52,700
He waits for Rose his wife.
Now with Fred the only witness

1594
01:37:52,700 --> 01:37:55,300
to her murder is dead.
Rose points, not guilty.

1595
01:37:56,600 --> 01:37:59,700
Her trial starts October, 3rd,
1995, and it doesn't go too well

1596
01:37:59,700 --> 01:38:03,500
for her the prosecutor Brian
Levinson lays in her.

1597
01:38:03,900 --> 01:38:07,200
He describes her as an active
partner in the sadism and

1598
01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:09,100
depraved acts on Cromwell
Street.

1599
01:38:09,200 --> 01:38:11,900
He points out that Fred was in
jail when Charmaine died.

1600
01:38:11,900 --> 01:38:14,100
Meaning, you're the only one who
could have done it.

1601
01:38:15,100 --> 01:38:18,700
And then that the two had
learned not to set let their sex

1602
01:38:18,700 --> 01:38:22,300
slaves, live after Caroline
Islands, I like this Brian guy,

1603
01:38:22,300 --> 01:38:26,000
he's smart.
He spells it like you too, and

1604
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:30,300
good, he brought out everybody
who had contact with grows her

1605
01:38:30,300 --> 01:38:33,600
mother sister borders at the
house, victims, relatives, all

1606
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:36,800
surviving rape victims.
Some of the girls were unnamed

1607
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:39,400
in court documents but they were
really important because these

1608
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:43,700
girls testified that Rose was
the aggressor during rapes.

1609
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:47,900
Now Rosemary's lawyer, tries to
get Caroline's tested, they told

1610
01:38:47,900 --> 01:38:51,100
it like thrown out because she
had told her story for 20,000

1611
01:38:51,100 --> 01:38:53,400
pounds.
But Caroline was like listen I

1612
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:55,800
want to I want Justice for the
girls who didn't make it.

1613
01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:58,200
I feel like it was my fault.
I didn't do enough.

1614
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:03,900
Defense is like you don't have
any real evidence on Rose and

1615
01:39:03,900 --> 01:39:06,100
friend was a killer before he
even met Rose.

1616
01:39:06,900 --> 01:39:09,200
Against her lawyers, wishes Rose
testifies.

1617
01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:13,300
In her defense, she cried on
stand, talking about how she had

1618
01:39:13,308 --> 01:39:14,600
been raped and abused in a
child.

1619
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:18,000
And she married a man who was
deviant violent and controlling.

1620
01:39:18,300 --> 01:39:21,000
She straight up lied on stand
when she was shown pictures of

1621
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:26,100
the victims.
She said that Fred and her were

1622
01:39:26,100 --> 01:39:28,500
living Separate Lives which
didn't match.

1623
01:39:28,500 --> 01:39:31,700
The testimony of all of the
hundreds of borders who had

1624
01:39:31,700 --> 01:39:34,400
lived there over 20 years, who
were like they were real.

1625
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:39,300
Tight knit family they slept in
the same bedroom Mmm, defense

1626
01:39:39,300 --> 01:39:41,800
also brought out a lot of women
who've been attacked and

1627
01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:45,700
assaulted by a man who looks a
lot like Frank last between 1966

1628
01:39:45,700 --> 01:39:49,700
and 1975.
That was proof to try to prove

1629
01:39:49,700 --> 01:39:51,600
to the court that Fred had
worked alone.

1630
01:39:52,600 --> 01:39:55,500
After seven weeks, both sides
closed their arguments on

1631
01:39:55,500 --> 01:39:57,900
November 21st, and 22nd, the
jury came back.

1632
01:39:57,900 --> 01:40:01,700
Unanimous guilty on all charges,
Rose has given life in prison

1633
01:40:01,700 --> 01:40:04,800
with no parole to this day.
She says that she is innocent.

1634
01:40:07,300 --> 01:40:10,500
Fred was ultimately cremated for
of his kids attended his

1635
01:40:10,500 --> 01:40:14,100
funeral, the service was 5
minutes long, the Reverend

1636
01:40:14,100 --> 01:40:18,200
quoted Psalms and was like,
yeah, let's not forget the

1637
01:40:18,200 --> 01:40:26,900
victims here and then dipped was
like, I gotta do this make.

1638
01:40:26,900 --> 01:40:28,800
So I guess we're going to do it.
Yeah.

1639
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:30,100
Like it's part of my job.
I guess.

1640
01:40:30,100 --> 01:40:33,500
I have like it's part of my job.
I have to do this or whatever.

1641
01:40:33,500 --> 01:40:40,600
No music, no nothing good.
They nzb eventually, they spread

1642
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:42,500
his ashes at Barry Island, which
is a place.

1643
01:40:42,500 --> 01:40:46,000
I used to go as a kid before.
Youngest was children were given

1644
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:48,100
new identities.
They do not seek out any public

1645
01:40:48,100 --> 01:40:51,800
recognition Annamarie.
West had her mother and sister

1646
01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:53,800
cremated, and buried in the same
grave.

1647
01:40:54,500 --> 01:40:57,700
Detective Hazel Savage received
loads of commendations for her

1648
01:40:57,700 --> 01:41:00,500
work and she continued to do her
job for many more years.

1649
01:41:01,400 --> 01:41:05,300
John West friend's brother put
on trial for his crimes against

1650
01:41:05,300 --> 01:41:07,500
Anna.
He hung himself in November of

1651
01:41:07,500 --> 01:41:10,700
1996 coward.
Just like his brothers, say it's

1652
01:41:10,700 --> 01:41:12,500
funny.
How they can do this stuff and

1653
01:41:12,500 --> 01:41:16,500
then like, they don't like face
their fucking consequences.

1654
01:41:16,500 --> 01:41:17,800
So stupid.
Nope.

1655
01:41:19,200 --> 01:41:21,200
I've always said that anybody
who's willing to her child is a

1656
01:41:21,200 --> 01:41:25,000
coward?
House on Cromwell Street

1657
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:28,200
demolished.
They made that decision in 96 at

1658
01:41:28,200 --> 01:41:31,700
first, they bricked it up but
ultimately they destroyed it to

1659
01:41:31,700 --> 01:41:39,700
deter souvenir Hunters of course
because Very West died of a drug

1660
01:41:39,700 --> 01:41:42,100
overdose in 2020.
He struggled with drugs and

1661
01:41:42,100 --> 01:41:43,900
abuse, he suffered from his
parents.

1662
01:41:44,300 --> 01:41:48,000
Stephen actually got in trouble
for dating a 14 year old in the

1663
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:50,700
early 2000s, and he actually
tried to kill himself after

1664
01:41:50,700 --> 01:41:53,200
that.
He seems to be on the straight

1665
01:41:53,200 --> 01:41:59,100
and narrow now, Rosa's kids
originally made in her but when

1666
01:41:59,100 --> 01:42:02,600
they asked about the murders
Rose told her I was never a

1667
01:42:02,600 --> 01:42:05,100
parent then and could never be
now.

1668
01:42:06,100 --> 01:42:09,300
Only person who visited her, who
visits her now is Anna.

1669
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:14,800
Strangely, roses tried multiple
times to appeal, every appeal

1670
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:18,000
has been rejected, the most
recent statement, she released

1671
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:23,800
in 2001, saying that she has
stopped appealing And like I

1672
01:42:23,808 --> 01:42:27,600
said, these days, apparently she
fell in love with Myra hindley

1673
01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:32,100
but now that your enemies she is
very much alive.

1674
01:42:32,100 --> 01:42:36,100
Only about 68 years old.
Oh she has a loan.

1675
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:45,700
She has a long time left. which
is, you know, for once we get

1676
01:42:45,700 --> 01:42:49,000
some I like it.
I like it.

1677
01:42:49,700 --> 01:42:54,400
I like the ending well like they
he got off easy my fucking

1678
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:59,200
hanging himself but you know
whatever there's some type of

1679
01:42:59,200 --> 01:43:07,600
Justice serve here, which I like
story of pretty much the worst

1680
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:13,300
couples in our American couples.
They pretty much were doing it

1681
01:43:13,300 --> 01:43:15,400
for money and just murdering
strangers.

1682
01:43:15,500 --> 01:43:19,900
Yeah, I'm sure there's probably
a couple like, the West But

1683
01:43:19,900 --> 01:43:23,400
yeah, we have a chill around the
same time, with the Moors

1684
01:43:23,400 --> 01:43:26,700
murders and friend, Rosemary
West, very intriguing.

1685
01:43:27,100 --> 01:43:31,500
But that just like we kind of
had our call, it the serial

1686
01:43:31,500 --> 01:43:36,500
killer Shuffle America.
They kind of had this weird

1687
01:43:36,500 --> 01:43:42,100
thing with doctors and Married
couples.

1688
01:43:44,200 --> 01:43:47,000
This is interesting.
It is interesting.

1689
01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:49,800
And you wonder why it's
intriguing?

1690
01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:57,100
Yeah.
Well, what we have coming from,

1691
01:43:57,100 --> 01:44:00,800
Paranormal World, Ryan?
Okay.

1692
01:44:00,900 --> 01:44:06,600
Well like you mentioned earlier.
We are only well when you guys

1693
01:44:06,600 --> 01:44:08,700
listen to this we're only a
couple days away from

1694
01:44:08,700 --> 01:44:11,700
Valentine's Day.
Yeah.

1695
01:44:11,700 --> 01:44:15,600
You Valentine's Day.
It's fun.

1696
01:44:17,900 --> 01:44:20,000
I like to buy presents for
people.

1697
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:23,600
I mean and they buy presents for
me.

1698
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:25,100
See.
Okay.

1699
01:44:25,100 --> 01:44:26,500
Yeah okay.
That's nice.

1700
01:44:29,900 --> 01:44:35,700
No, I thought you know what
better to talk about.

1701
01:44:36,200 --> 01:44:39,300
Then, you know, doing weird
stuff with ghost.

1702
01:44:43,400 --> 01:44:46,200
Did you ever look at the Fright
Club?

1703
01:44:48,100 --> 01:44:52,100
One of the episodes they
definitely have what looks like,

1704
01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:55,700
you know, they use that camera.
That makes the bodies look like

1705
01:44:55,700 --> 01:44:59,700
how you looked on a Kinect?
The Xbox Kinect.

1706
01:44:59,700 --> 01:45:02,000
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, right.

1707
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:04,900
Well, the Ghost Hunters were
using the camera like that and

1708
01:45:04,900 --> 01:45:10,700
they definitely see who bodies
in a bed on top of each other.

1709
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:12,400
And they were like are we
watching?

1710
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:24,500
Ghosts is a really good episode.
Look here this is like, if there

1711
01:45:24,500 --> 01:45:27,200
is that we're talking about, are
we talking about people having

1712
01:45:27,200 --> 01:45:30,400
sex with, we're talking about
About well I don't, I wouldn't.

1713
01:45:30,500 --> 01:45:31,700
Yes.
Yes we are.

1714
01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:35,600
We're talking about the living
and girls in getting it all.

1715
01:45:35,700 --> 01:45:36,400
Oh.
Okay.

1716
01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:37,900
Not.
Just go see scattered.

1717
01:45:38,100 --> 01:45:44,200
No, I think about looking just
like there.

1718
01:45:49,500 --> 01:46:04,000
Oh yes, last year I kind of
touched on this subject.

1719
01:46:04,700 --> 01:46:08,800
There's like a story about I
guess minister or something.

1720
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:13,900
He was at a rectory and like he
had this ghostly woman passed

1721
01:46:13,900 --> 01:46:16,500
through him and it felt like
orgasmic to him.

1722
01:46:18,900 --> 01:46:23,400
But like this time, I'm going,
I'm going, we're going, we're

1723
01:46:23,400 --> 01:46:25,900
going, we're getting into it,
okay?

1724
01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:33,100
So sex with goes or more
commonly known as spectral

1725
01:46:33,100 --> 01:46:38,400
philia, which is also known, as
sexual attraction to ghosts.

1726
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:40,700
Or oh, I didn't know that was a
thing.

1727
01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:45,900
Yeah, yeah, or arousal from
images and mirrors.

1728
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:53,500
Oh yeah, so like like I don't
know song, but with I guess

1729
01:46:53,500 --> 01:46:57,100
spectral, Philip Spector.
Ophelia to looking like Bloody

1730
01:46:57,100 --> 01:47:02,600
Mary looking kind of fine today
or Candyman, What The Hook do?

1731
01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:12,400
Bloody Mary.
Bloody Mary Beetlejuice.

1732
01:47:17,400 --> 01:47:22,900
Spectral feel like it's is
classified as both being a

1733
01:47:22,900 --> 01:47:27,300
fetish and a phenomenon that
happens.

1734
01:47:27,900 --> 01:47:32,800
That's peculiar.
We don't consider the The one

1735
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:35,700
where people are attracted to
serial killers to be a fetish,

1736
01:47:36,500 --> 01:47:38,800
but it should be some type of
fetish.

1737
01:47:39,900 --> 01:47:43,300
No, it's not.
I mean, and not a good fetish

1738
01:47:43,300 --> 01:47:49,100
but like a bad fetish like, um,
or we can shaming them.

1739
01:47:49,100 --> 01:47:52,300
Yes, thanks, chanting,
hybristophilia.

1740
01:47:52,300 --> 01:47:53,700
Sorry y'all.
Yeah.

1741
01:47:53,700 --> 01:47:55,600
Sorry.
I don't I don't agree with you

1742
01:47:55,700 --> 01:47:57,900
anyway.
It's apparently, it's a form of

1743
01:47:58,200 --> 01:48:00,700
some type of paraphilia.
Okay.

1744
01:48:02,100 --> 01:48:11,600
So as I was doing research for
this, I stumbled across a lot of

1745
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:15,100
the articles with celebrities
who have claimed to have sex

1746
01:48:15,100 --> 01:48:20,200
with ghosts.
What there are a lot of

1747
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:24,500
apparently girl, I was
celebrities that like have had

1748
01:48:24,500 --> 01:48:28,600
sex with goats.
I am so invested in this man.

1749
01:48:28,600 --> 01:48:31,700
Okay, awesome.
Because I got I got listen to

1750
01:48:31,700 --> 01:48:33,200
it.
And is, here we go.

1751
01:48:33,400 --> 01:48:41,100
Okay, so I ate, like, I have to,
like, I do have to, like, say

1752
01:48:41,100 --> 01:48:46,100
this that the spectral philia,
or like, having sex with girls

1753
01:48:46,100 --> 01:48:49,800
is not the same as like a
succubus or Incubus.

1754
01:48:49,800 --> 01:48:54,100
As you know, those are deemed,
they are demons and they are

1755
01:48:54,100 --> 01:48:56,000
here to steal your soul for your
life.

1756
01:48:56,000 --> 01:49:00,100
Essence, that they extract from
your make you give birth to a

1757
01:49:00,100 --> 01:49:01,600
date.
There you go.

1758
01:49:04,100 --> 01:49:05,900
We talking about ghosts here
today.

1759
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:13,800
Okay?
So did you know so okay before I

1760
01:49:13,800 --> 01:49:16,500
even get to his list, a lot of
these people that actually have

1761
01:49:16,500 --> 01:49:21,100
sex with girls, they all
described it as the same not or

1762
01:49:21,100 --> 01:49:25,000
not everybody because sometimes
it's not consensual and it's

1763
01:49:26,500 --> 01:49:31,700
It's it's an unpleasant feeling
for them, like just being

1764
01:49:31,700 --> 01:49:34,900
touched and just like Daedalus.
Like I don't like this, I don't

1765
01:49:34,900 --> 01:49:41,000
like this, but For other people
is who actually like give into

1766
01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:45,700
this they're like, yeah, I just
felt like a body on top of mine

1767
01:49:46,100 --> 01:49:49,500
it just like, oh, I felt the
pressure of another body on me

1768
01:49:49,700 --> 01:49:55,800
and then just the feeling of it
happening and it just felt

1769
01:49:55,800 --> 01:50:00,000
wonderful and I was just like, I
was reading this.

1770
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:03,500
I was like, what the fuck am I
missing out by not it?

1771
01:50:05,700 --> 01:50:17,600
Why not going after ghost now?
But are we dating goes in at the

1772
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:21,500
like I feel like I feel like the
picture of the one character,

1773
01:50:21,500 --> 01:50:25,900
you know, the butterfly?
He's just like are we in a

1774
01:50:25,900 --> 01:50:28,000
relationship?
Oh my God.

1775
01:50:33,200 --> 01:50:37,800
So the first celebrity that I
have, who really surprised me.

1776
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:42,100
Like just like seeing her name
pop up as freaking Kesha.

1777
01:50:43,900 --> 01:50:45,400
What?
No way.

1778
01:50:45,400 --> 01:50:50,600
Tasha says that she was intimate
with a ghost.

1779
01:50:51,400 --> 01:50:56,600
And is that maybe her song
supernatural?

1780
01:50:58,000 --> 01:51:01,600
Was about said relation with a
ghost.

1781
01:51:01,600 --> 01:51:07,300
When did the nasty?
Yeah, she said she enjoyed it.

1782
01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:15,600
It's a song about it.
I never even, that's not even

1783
01:51:19,100 --> 01:51:22,200
God.
I don't know but it's in my of

1784
01:51:22,200 --> 01:51:24,900
course in my playlist because I
have all of Kesha's songs.

1785
01:51:25,800 --> 01:51:27,700
I don't know why.
I don't know this song. /

1786
01:51:27,700 --> 01:51:30,700
natural.
I think it's like in one of our

1787
01:51:30,700 --> 01:51:32,300
newer.
Oh, it's from the will know.

1788
01:51:32,300 --> 01:51:35,200
It's, it looks like from the
warrior, really?

1789
01:51:35,500 --> 01:51:38,000
I also like 2,000 talking like
2012?

1790
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:42,800
Yeah, 2012 2011, I guess I just
skipped over that one on the

1791
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:44,400
album and listen to the dance
songs.

1792
01:51:44,400 --> 01:51:46,800
I like better.
I listen to all of her songs.

1793
01:51:47,100 --> 01:51:50,300
I'd love about, I love her, but
like, sometimes don't start now

1794
01:51:50,300 --> 01:51:51,900
and she just like certain songs
better.

1795
01:51:51,900 --> 01:51:56,000
So you listen to those like 20
times, that's me.

1796
01:51:57,600 --> 01:52:00,400
I find the ones that are like
really, really liked a lot and

1797
01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:03,500
listen to that one a lot.
Not.

1798
01:52:04,600 --> 01:52:06,400
I do I just love.
I don't know.

1799
01:52:06,600 --> 01:52:08,600
I just I just hold back until
it's okay.

1800
01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:11,800
Girl.
Kesha Kesha had?

1801
01:52:11,800 --> 01:52:14,600
Yes actually goes.
Um, guess who has had sex with a

1802
01:52:14,608 --> 01:52:19,300
ghost?
Lucy, Liu interesting.

1803
01:52:19,400 --> 01:52:28,500
Yeah apparently Back in 1999.
So she tells tight what US

1804
01:52:28,500 --> 01:52:33,900
Weekly my bad that she was, she
just like lay down on the couch

1805
01:52:33,900 --> 01:52:40,500
for a nap and then she just felt
this presence on top of her and

1806
01:52:40,500 --> 01:52:45,900
she go straight.
I'm just saying you didn't

1807
01:52:45,900 --> 01:52:48,300
consent.
He just showed up and see what

1808
01:52:48,300 --> 01:52:49,400
she says.
It was.

1809
01:52:49,700 --> 01:52:54,200
It was sheer Bliss.
If I felt everything, I Climax,

1810
01:52:54,200 --> 01:53:03,800
and he floated away.
All right, so I guess she wasn't

1811
01:53:04,400 --> 01:53:13,700
like too too upset about it.
Um, Bobby Brown Around says he

1812
01:53:13,700 --> 01:53:15,700
has.
Was he on drugs when he did

1813
01:53:15,700 --> 01:53:19,900
this?
He because he has a history.

1814
01:53:20,400 --> 01:53:23,200
He does have a history, The
Sounds thing.

1815
01:53:24,500 --> 01:53:30,400
Um, yeah.
He says that He slept with a

1816
01:53:30,400 --> 01:53:36,200
ghost in one of his houses, he
said, okay, this is a quote from

1817
01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:41,000
his office mansion in Georgia.
It was a really, this was a

1818
01:53:41,000 --> 01:53:45,400
really, really spooky place.
But yes, one time I woke up and

1819
01:53:45,400 --> 01:53:49,200
yet a ghost, I was being mounted
bike ghost.

1820
01:53:50,200 --> 01:54:07,400
I would like, oh no, I guess he
told her to me.

1821
01:54:09,900 --> 01:54:20,600
Is this is real life, folks.
I'll take your word for it.

1822
01:54:20,600 --> 01:54:23,400
Like, I don't know why they're
telling people about this

1823
01:54:23,900 --> 01:54:26,800
because it's weird and people
probably find it interesting.

1824
01:54:33,800 --> 01:54:42,900
So, Anna Nicole Smith?
Listen, I know people don't like

1825
01:54:42,900 --> 01:54:46,000
her but she was my girl.
She is like, the ultimate, like

1826
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:50,100
I loved her.
Yeah, you should really nice.

1827
01:54:50,100 --> 01:54:52,600
I don't like her showing keep
her a bad rap.

1828
01:54:52,700 --> 01:54:56,500
And here's the thing.
If Anna had been around in 2022,

1829
01:54:56,700 --> 01:54:59,700
folks would have been telling
her that she had got the bag.

1830
01:54:59,700 --> 01:55:02,400
She was the queen people would
have, they would not have

1831
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:05,300
cleared her the way they did in
the 90s.

1832
01:55:05,600 --> 01:55:07,400
Now, this is.
Yeah, and I think that's a

1833
01:55:07,407 --> 01:55:12,000
messed up all in a day, was be a
stripper and me A nice old man,

1834
01:55:16,500 --> 01:55:18,500
what's up?
Yeah, I do.

1835
01:55:18,500 --> 01:55:22,200
I mean I didn't I didn't like
her show so it's okay.

1836
01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:27,400
Thank you.
But yeah, she said that she, you

1837
01:55:27,400 --> 01:55:33,200
know, had a thing for goes to
And this is a quote, I'm

1838
01:55:33,200 --> 01:55:36,300
reading.
It says she said, well she says

1839
01:55:36,800 --> 01:55:41,400
it goes for call my leg in have
intercourse with me an apartment

1840
01:55:41,600 --> 01:55:43,400
a long time ago.
In Texas.

1841
01:55:43,800 --> 01:55:47,500
I used to think it was before
she was, you know, fancy Anna.

1842
01:55:47,500 --> 01:55:49,800
Yeah.
I used to think it was my

1843
01:55:49,800 --> 01:55:53,100
boyfriend.
Then one day I woke up and found

1844
01:55:53,100 --> 01:56:00,100
out it wasn't she?
Apparently just happened

1845
01:56:00,100 --> 01:56:01,800
multiple times.
Times to her.

1846
01:56:01,800 --> 01:56:04,700
And she, there was just this one
time that she actually found out

1847
01:56:04,700 --> 01:56:08,800
that it like, she looked up into
the, it did it wasn't her

1848
01:56:08,800 --> 01:56:12,400
boyfriend at all?
She said she was freaked out

1849
01:56:12,400 --> 01:56:17,600
about it, but then it but then I
was like, well, you know what?

1850
01:56:17,600 --> 01:56:24,400
He's never hurt me, and he just
gave you some amazing sex.

1851
01:56:24,400 --> 01:56:27,300
So, right?
It's always amazing.

1852
01:56:27,300 --> 01:56:29,700
I would go.
I want someone on your list who

1853
01:56:29,700 --> 01:56:33,500
tells us that The ghost, did it?
And it was subpar.

1854
01:56:35,700 --> 01:56:43,600
That is more realistic Riya.
Oh God, I don't have any um mr.

1855
01:56:43,700 --> 01:56:48,800
Mr. Dan Aykroyd.
Now, now I know, whoever has

1856
01:56:48,800 --> 01:56:52,400
seen who ever seen Ghostbusters
know about that scene about him

1857
01:56:52,400 --> 01:56:54,900
having that dream about having
sex with a ghost or they ghosts

1858
01:56:54,900 --> 01:56:58,100
giving him a blow job or
whatever mean, here's something

1859
01:56:58,100 --> 01:57:00,300
else.
A Danny Aykroyd is really into

1860
01:57:00,300 --> 01:57:04,100
the Paranormal.
Is this ghost stuff?

1861
01:57:04,300 --> 01:57:08,600
He I mean, Well, he was doing a
documentary on the Men in Black

1862
01:57:08,600 --> 01:57:10,800
and then it got shut down after
he saw couple.

1863
01:57:11,300 --> 01:57:17,900
Um, so if anybody might be like
a like a tuning, you know,

1864
01:57:19,000 --> 01:57:22,100
tuning rod for the Paranormal.
I totally think it's it.

1865
01:57:22,400 --> 01:57:25,400
Yeah, he's probably reading
about this stuff looking at it,

1866
01:57:25,500 --> 01:57:27,600
and stuff is just attracted to
him.

1867
01:57:28,400 --> 01:57:34,300
I'm surprised I haven't found a
ghost yet then damn, but maybe

1868
01:57:34,300 --> 01:57:38,600
they found you. you just don't
have the B gift.

1869
01:57:38,600 --> 01:57:41,000
Yeah, I mean just not interested
me it's okay.

1870
01:57:41,000 --> 01:57:46,200
I get it and I always cup of tea
um, as well as you know that if

1871
01:57:46,200 --> 01:57:51,100
I die before you I'm definitely
going to show up and like dab,

1872
01:57:51,900 --> 01:57:56,900
oh my God, dance in your bedroom
as a ghost.

1873
01:57:57,500 --> 01:58:02,300
Please don't if I die and stuff,
just starts falling down.

1874
01:58:02,500 --> 01:58:05,100
It's because I tripped.
I'm not even trying to scare

1875
01:58:05,100 --> 01:58:06,700
you.
I'm in your room and I fell.

1876
01:58:06,800 --> 01:58:10,200
Over will be blaming you for
everything.

1877
01:58:15,700 --> 01:58:22,600
Are you fucking my shit?
But yeah he says letter O God o

1878
01:58:22,600 --> 01:58:29,800
my mirror yeah and I'll be like
I wasn't looking just came to

1879
01:58:29,800 --> 01:58:39,200
say hi.
So yeah, apparently he didn't he

1880
01:58:39,200 --> 01:58:42,900
didn't have sex with a ghost but
he did get covered up but he

1881
01:58:42,900 --> 01:58:48,300
goes so you know.
I don't know.

1882
01:58:48,300 --> 01:58:50,900
I'm one of those people who have
something like six down.

1883
01:58:53,500 --> 01:58:57,700
Like you know if someone sits on
the bed I'm like, oh no, so I

1884
01:58:57,700 --> 01:59:01,000
don't know if I would allow it
get to get to the sex place.

1885
01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:03,100
I probably hop out of bed and
walk away.

1886
01:59:03,400 --> 01:59:07,800
Yeah, mmm.
The second to go sit down on the

1887
01:59:07,800 --> 01:59:11,600
bed.
And I see the pressure I'm out.

1888
01:59:16,200 --> 01:59:19,400
I'm just, like, not experience.
I would want, I'm just like, oh,

1889
01:59:19,400 --> 01:59:20,800
well.
Something's happening awesome.

1890
01:59:20,800 --> 01:59:23,900
That's I mean.
Hi, would you like to watch some

1891
01:59:23,900 --> 01:59:25,800
animated?
A ghost.

1892
01:59:28,200 --> 01:59:32,700
Hello Ghost.
I am a, we hopefully you like

1893
01:59:32,700 --> 01:59:41,400
what I'm watching?
Apparently, do you know Koko?

1894
01:59:43,100 --> 01:59:46,100
I used to use while you fool.
Oh, yeah.

1895
01:59:46,500 --> 01:59:48,700
Okay.
So apparently there's, there's a

1896
01:59:48,700 --> 01:59:55,800
ghost that I guess she has a
ghost stalker because it's

1897
01:59:55,800 --> 01:59:57,000
followed her from place to
place.

1898
01:59:57,000 --> 02:00:01,700
And from Albuquerque to Arizona,
Yeah.

1899
02:00:01,700 --> 02:00:07,100
And like she's like, during the
day when you think goes, you

1900
02:00:07,100 --> 02:00:10,300
think of it being dark and
foggy, Misty outside of every

1901
02:00:10,300 --> 02:00:13,800
time I saw or felt anything, it
was in the daytime, and there

1902
02:00:13,808 --> 02:00:17,300
was no fog out there.
So she's like this goes, just

1903
02:00:17,500 --> 02:00:27,600
follow me all around.
And I mean, Never mind, never

1904
02:00:27,600 --> 02:00:30,500
mind.
No, it's okay.

1905
02:00:32,300 --> 02:00:35,500
And she's like I was I was
watching TV like one night and I

1906
02:00:35,508 --> 02:00:39,600
was sitting on the couch at it
was in the morning and I was

1907
02:00:39,600 --> 02:00:44,000
wearing a nightie and I felt my
dress move up my leg.

1908
02:00:44,500 --> 02:00:47,500
I look down and got freaked out,
I pushed it down.

1909
02:00:47,500 --> 02:00:52,600
Watch TV, felt it again and I
could see it being pulled up.

1910
02:00:52,600 --> 02:00:55,200
And then I felt a guy breathe In
my ear.

1911
02:00:58,600 --> 02:01:02,900
I'm leaving.
That's no, that's what.

1912
02:01:02,900 --> 02:01:06,400
That's a story that they did.
Not fucking they were not into

1913
02:01:06,400 --> 02:01:09,300
it.
No, thank you.

1914
02:01:10,700 --> 02:01:15,000
You're welcome.
Oh my God.

1915
02:01:16,300 --> 02:01:22,000
Okay.
So have you heard about this

1916
02:01:23,200 --> 02:01:27,200
some woman?
Married a ghost.

1917
02:01:30,400 --> 02:01:31,900
David here.
Have you heard about this?

1918
02:01:31,900 --> 02:01:34,300
I mean, I heard a Lady Mary
train station.

1919
02:01:34,300 --> 02:01:38,200
So nothing surprises me anymore.
I've heard about that, too.

1920
02:01:38,200 --> 02:01:41,300
I was just like, okay, so it
might have popped up in one of

1921
02:01:41,308 --> 02:01:44,100
my list of weird things.
People have married kind of

1922
02:01:44,100 --> 02:01:45,900
situations and I didn't look to
it.

1923
02:01:46,600 --> 02:01:59,000
Okay, so here's the name,
someone she knows no, maybe,

1924
02:01:59,600 --> 02:02:02,800
okay, Hey.
So This Woman's name, her name

1925
02:02:02,800 --> 02:02:04,800
is Amanda.
Amanda Teague.

1926
02:02:06,400 --> 02:02:10,100
And this happened?
I guess 2016.

1927
02:02:11,800 --> 02:02:16,500
She married a 300 year old
pirate ghosts.

1928
02:02:18,500 --> 02:02:26,800
His they marry her.
I believe that he married her.

1929
02:02:27,100 --> 02:02:32,700
She thinks they're together, but
they're not, but he's My my love

1930
02:02:32,700 --> 02:02:36,300
is for the sea.
Exactly.

1931
02:02:37,500 --> 02:02:41,100
That's how I see that.
Like she had the ceremony but

1932
02:02:41,100 --> 02:02:43,000
that goes even thinks he's
single.

1933
02:02:43,400 --> 02:02:47,300
Yeah.
Um, so his name was Jack Teague.

1934
02:02:48,300 --> 02:02:53,600
Um, She took his last name, is
she took his last name?

1935
02:02:54,600 --> 02:03:00,000
Um, so apparently she worked as
a Jack Sparrow impersonator and

1936
02:03:00,000 --> 02:03:06,800
I ruined.
So so as I was as I was, you

1937
02:03:06,800 --> 02:03:12,600
know, looking up like this named
Jack Tegan stuff, a lot of stuff

1938
02:03:12,600 --> 02:03:14,800
popped up from like Pirates of
the Caribbean.

1939
02:03:15,100 --> 02:03:17,900
So I went and dug him with deep
into it was like apparently

1940
02:03:17,900 --> 02:03:24,400
that's Jack's name.
Jack Sparrow's Nest so he's the

1941
02:03:24,400 --> 02:03:29,300
inspiration for the character so
or that the character is an

1942
02:03:29,300 --> 02:03:37,100
inspiration for this ghost.
That she had married so I'm not

1943
02:03:37,100 --> 02:03:40,500
sure like as I was reading this
I was like, is so did she just

1944
02:03:40,500 --> 02:03:44,600
marry Like Her Imagination or
something like that?

1945
02:03:45,300 --> 02:03:47,100
Or is this actually like a real
ghost?

1946
02:03:50,000 --> 02:03:53,200
But who who's the?
Who's to say, who's to say

1947
02:03:53,200 --> 02:03:57,700
Bernie?
I'm telling, you know, pirate is

1948
02:03:57,700 --> 02:03:59,900
getting married.
I know.

1949
02:03:59,900 --> 02:04:00,700
I know.
No Pirates.

1950
02:04:00,700 --> 02:04:04,700
Get a fucking very carefully.
That's my only situation.

1951
02:04:04,700 --> 02:04:08,500
No Pirates, getting married.
They're like, listen.

1952
02:04:09,700 --> 02:04:16,000
We can smash, but that's it.
I gotta be out in the sea.

1953
02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:24,200
I gotta, I gotta find some other
booty treasure in booty.

1954
02:04:24,300 --> 02:04:26,800
Anyway, um, I know was a good
point.

1955
02:04:26,900 --> 02:04:36,200
I thought so, apparently, she
said that the relationship

1956
02:04:36,200 --> 02:04:39,400
started back in 2015 and she was
lying on her back.

1957
02:04:39,400 --> 02:04:47,700
Bed at home and she sends the
presence of him on top of her

1958
02:04:48,100 --> 02:04:51,700
and she said, it happened, like
it continued to over the six

1959
02:04:51,700 --> 02:04:56,900
months.
And she's like, she started

1960
02:04:56,900 --> 02:05:01,300
growing feelings for him and
then I guess the two of them

1961
02:05:01,300 --> 02:05:04,100
just made plans to, you know,
get hitched.

1962
02:05:07,900 --> 02:05:10,300
But you give me right now.
I'm just shaking my head.

1963
02:05:14,100 --> 02:05:19,400
She said that their chemistry
was incredible and Jack, Jack is

1964
02:05:19,400 --> 02:05:25,800
the best sex I've ever had
silence since its You by.

1965
02:05:27,300 --> 02:05:32,800
This is true, very true.
Now, their marriage, actually

1966
02:05:32,800 --> 02:05:36,000
didn't last.
So apparently, let me just say

1967
02:05:36,000 --> 02:05:37,800
this first.
Apparently, this was like the

1968
02:05:39,100 --> 02:05:45,000
firstly person marriage.
Okay, so the first time the

1969
02:05:45,000 --> 02:05:46,900
courts allow this to happen but
yeah.

1970
02:05:46,900 --> 02:05:51,500
Basically I guess the the found
some loopholes and apparently it

1971
02:05:51,500 --> 02:05:57,600
wasn't.
So it's not legal in the UK or

1972
02:05:57,600 --> 02:06:01,900
Ireland, to marry deceased
person, but they are lawyers to

1973
02:06:01,900 --> 02:06:06,800
like, get a loophole.
Some some fucking how they

1974
02:06:06,800 --> 02:06:08,800
sailed into international
waters?

1975
02:06:08,900 --> 02:06:10,800
That's how.
Wow.

1976
02:06:11,600 --> 02:06:15,300
Yes, they they they not only is
he a pirate but they got married

1977
02:06:15,300 --> 02:06:18,500
on a boat Brittany.
At least.

1978
02:06:22,700 --> 02:06:25,600
But yeah, she says, she's the
first person in UK and Ireland

1979
02:06:25,600 --> 02:06:33,800
him legally, marry a ghost.
Yeah, but yea, like I said,

1980
02:06:34,100 --> 02:06:38,600
like, like I hinted to that they
didn't last long at all.

1981
02:06:40,700 --> 02:06:44,200
Well, I think, let me see.
I goddamn, I don't have the date

1982
02:06:44,200 --> 02:06:46,200
and one day they got divorced,
okay.

1983
02:06:48,500 --> 02:06:51,900
After that, she find a real
person to date.

1984
02:06:52,100 --> 02:06:56,300
I don't think so.
I don't think so he could have

1985
02:06:56,300 --> 02:07:00,100
initiated the divorce.
I don't know, maybe he did.

1986
02:07:01,400 --> 02:07:04,500
He's like the pirate life's for
me British.

1987
02:07:08,400 --> 02:07:16,900
Oh my God, as I was reading this
so apparently There was supposed

1988
02:07:16,900 --> 02:07:24,400
to be a new dating app that
popped up about you to candida

1989
02:07:24,400 --> 02:07:27,200
goes.
I think so it was supposed to be

1990
02:07:27,400 --> 02:07:31,900
something like shiver Me.
Tenders of her.

1991
02:07:31,900 --> 02:07:33,600
Something, I think that's
probably a joke.

1992
02:07:33,600 --> 02:07:35,500
I don't think that's.
That's true.

1993
02:07:35,500 --> 02:07:38,600
But I mean, there's no way to
make it.

1994
02:07:40,600 --> 02:07:43,900
Now, you can make an app, but
like No One's Gonna pay for

1995
02:07:43,900 --> 02:07:46,600
that.
I think, you know, will be great

1996
02:07:46,600 --> 02:07:49,000
if someone me like a video game
about dating girls is that

1997
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neither thing dating goes
simulator, that should be a

1998
02:07:52,400 --> 02:07:56,100
thing if it's not a thing.
I mean, you're probably right.

1999
02:07:56,100 --> 02:07:59,700
We've got dream daddy dungeon
daddy.

2000
02:08:01,800 --> 02:08:04,500
I know there's monster like you
date a monster.

2001
02:08:05,000 --> 02:08:07,400
I think there was a ghost.
You know what, I have see.

2002
02:08:07,400 --> 02:08:11,700
I have seen it.
I mean, Monster prom and Monster

2003
02:08:11,700 --> 02:08:15,800
High School are very sexual and
well Monster High School's more

2004
02:08:15,800 --> 02:08:19,800
sexual than monster prob no,
it's monster prom and summer

2005
02:08:19,800 --> 02:08:24,200
camp.
The summer camp is less sexy but

2006
02:08:24,200 --> 02:08:27,600
your goal is to seduce a monster
in those games.

2007
02:08:28,600 --> 02:08:32,200
In a group setting?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

2008
02:08:34,600 --> 02:08:37,600
I've seen this, I've seen this
somewhere a ghost dating Sim.

2009
02:08:38,000 --> 02:08:43,000
Oh, But yeah, yeah.
But in the same they would

2010
02:08:43,000 --> 02:08:46,500
create a personalities.
Yeah, that's true.

2011
02:08:50,000 --> 02:08:55,900
But yeah, I don't know, like the
spectral feel that it pops up

2012
02:08:55,900 --> 02:09:03,700
like In a lot of places with a
lot of places on like, T be like

2013
02:09:03,800 --> 02:09:07,700
like I said Ghostbusters
earlier, or apparently, in Star

2014
02:09:07,700 --> 02:09:14,500
Trek, the Next Generation, there
was a type of ghost sex thing or

2015
02:09:14,500 --> 02:09:19,100
traction.
And we can't forget the 1990s

2016
02:09:19,100 --> 02:09:24,500
movie.
Ghost with who's that?

2017
02:09:24,700 --> 02:09:26,100
Who's that?
Patrick Swayze?

2018
02:09:27,600 --> 02:09:29,500
Oh right, right?
Yes.

2019
02:09:29,500 --> 02:09:33,600
But that was different because
will be Goldberg's character.

2020
02:09:33,800 --> 02:09:39,900
The medium allowed herself to be
what's the word, conduit, you

2021
02:09:39,900 --> 02:09:41,300
letter?
Yeah.

2022
02:09:41,900 --> 02:09:48,700
So technically Demi Moore Sex
and will be Goldberg felt like

2023
02:09:48,700 --> 02:09:53,400
her lover who hmm?
It's very peculiar and I thought

2024
02:09:53,400 --> 02:09:56,100
it was peculiar when I watched
it as a child and I still think

2025
02:09:56,100 --> 02:09:58,600
it's weird now but we'll be
going with a great job in that

2026
02:09:58,600 --> 02:10:01,100
movie.
I've only seen it once and I was

2027
02:10:01,100 --> 02:10:06,600
as a kid.
Why did we watch it as a child?

2028
02:10:07,100 --> 02:10:09,900
I have no fucking idea.
I think my parents had it on and

2029
02:10:09,900 --> 02:10:15,300
it's just like The sexy.
It's the whole it's weird.

2030
02:10:15,300 --> 02:10:19,800
I don't like it.
Just get you a pottery wheel and

2031
02:10:19,800 --> 02:10:23,000
you're good to go.
No bueno.

2032
02:10:29,000 --> 02:10:33,300
Sexy girls.
Yeah, I think who's it.

2033
02:10:33,300 --> 02:10:37,000
There's a, there's a ghost
adventures and travel channel.

2034
02:10:37,200 --> 02:10:40,200
They travel channel.
They have it's like a show

2035
02:10:40,200 --> 02:10:42,300
titled, ghostly lovers or some
shit like that.

2036
02:10:42,400 --> 02:10:48,000
At and they talk about later.
Yes.

2037
02:10:49,800 --> 02:10:52,100
I would have to look into this.
I don't remember exact begum's

2038
02:10:52,100 --> 02:10:56,500
ever talking about that.
I never one time, they went to a

2039
02:10:58,200 --> 02:11:02,700
brothel and all the dudes kept
getting touched, see that's all

2040
02:11:02,700 --> 02:11:06,900
it takes.
And they were like Do they think

2041
02:11:06,900 --> 02:11:10,100
we're their customers?
We think you're going to pay

2042
02:11:10,100 --> 02:11:12,900
them.
So, yes, you can bring some some

2043
02:11:12,900 --> 02:11:18,000
fucking money.
So I remember that happening and

2044
02:11:18,000 --> 02:11:20,600
that does happen sometimes when
you go into certain locations.

2045
02:11:23,400 --> 02:11:25,700
Yeah.
If this is a show where they

2046
02:11:25,700 --> 02:11:28,900
talk about like stuff like this,
I'd be interested in watching

2047
02:11:28,900 --> 02:11:29,500
it.
Yeah.

2048
02:11:29,500 --> 02:11:32,800
I think it I think it was just
like a like a one-off show or

2049
02:11:32,800 --> 02:11:34,000
something like that.
But yeah.

2050
02:11:34,000 --> 02:11:38,100
They were just Episode of it.
And yeah, they were talking

2051
02:11:38,100 --> 02:11:41,300
about it, look it up.
It's called ghostly lovers.

2052
02:11:42,000 --> 02:11:44,500
I saw like a YouTube trailer for
it.

2053
02:11:44,500 --> 02:11:51,400
So it was okay, we're really
time I told you about going to

2054
02:11:51,400 --> 02:11:57,200
the going to the when I ghost
hunt in the yeah for the prison

2055
02:11:57,300 --> 02:12:01,100
and then some I guess one of the
prisoners really like women and

2056
02:12:01,100 --> 02:12:05,300
he like touching them.
Yeah yeah and stuff like that.

2057
02:12:05,500 --> 02:12:15,000
Happen.
Yeah, watch out there because

2058
02:12:15,000 --> 02:12:19,000
maybe one day you just get like,
a ghostly touch somewhere, it's

2059
02:12:19,000 --> 02:12:22,400
not appropriate, maybe if you're
alone.

2060
02:12:25,200 --> 02:12:28,400
To happen presents with visit
YouTube.

2061
02:12:29,200 --> 02:12:31,600
Just yeah, just hope don't
summon it okay.

2062
02:12:31,600 --> 02:12:34,800
Because that's a demon.
Yeah, no, don't send me things

2063
02:12:35,000 --> 02:12:39,400
just, you know, Wistfully think
about?

2064
02:12:39,800 --> 02:12:41,900
Yes.
Because ghosts need love too

2065
02:12:41,900 --> 02:12:45,500
apparently.
Oh, got it.

2066
02:12:45,900 --> 02:12:48,400
They really don't there.
Jerry, they've lived their life.

2067
02:12:48,400 --> 02:12:50,700
They're good.
Yeah, that's that's right.

2068
02:12:50,700 --> 02:12:54,500
Gods of this week.
Well, that's an interesting

2069
02:12:54,500 --> 02:12:58,900
ending for today's episode.
Happy Valentine's Day.

2070
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Yeah.
Our second victim will be coming

2071
02:13:05,100 --> 02:13:07,400
soon.
Yes.

2072
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2073
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2074
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2075
02:13:19,100 --> 02:13:22,300
straight, some funny stuff, some
very odd stuff.

2076
02:13:22,400 --> 02:13:25,900
We go into everything we really
do.

2077
02:13:26,000 --> 02:13:28,200
We touch everything.
Yeah, we might be trying.

2078
02:13:28,200 --> 02:13:32,500
We might be creating a Movie
night feature.

2079
02:13:32,800 --> 02:13:35,200
We will just want to hang with
us and watch it from.

2080
02:13:35,600 --> 02:13:37,900
Yeah it'll be cool.
Just to get people to like hang

2081
02:13:37,900 --> 02:13:43,100
out and watch.
But yeah, I hope you have a

2082
02:13:43,100 --> 02:13:44,500
great weekend.
Yep.

2083
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You too.
Bye bye.