Episode 33: The obsessive occult motherly love of Leonarda Cianciulli that drove her family apart

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And this weekend True Crime.
I want to talk about the

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murtaugh's.
Oh my God.

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Okay, okay, it's it's popping up
in my circle because I got

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friends, down in South Carolina,
everybody asks me on every live

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stream.
So, for those of you who might

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not know or might be abroad,
there is a mystery unraveling

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and Hampton County, South
Carolina.

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So the murders obvious wealthy
established family known for

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their presence in the legal.
Like, will your community.

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And it wasn't even until 2019,
that anybody really knew

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anything about them.
They were just this quiet rich

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family.
So in 2015, there is a young

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gay, man named Stephen Smith,
who is found in the middle of a

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County Road.
It's ruled a hit-and-run, but

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the corner argues that this is
not a hit-and-run.

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This seems like a homicide.
Hmm, hmm.

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That's one of the ones tied to
this family.

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According to several people who
were interviewed the victim,

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who's 19 could have been killed
by Buster murtagh.

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That would be currently deceased
Buster.

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Who is the son of Elder
Murtaugh?

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He's the older of two sons and
his family name was mentioned

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nine, different times in the -
report on Steven Smith's, aha.

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See you getting interested.
I see you, Brian.

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So Richard, Alec murdaugh
attorney resigned, four days

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ago, five days ago, and he was
accused of siphoning millions of

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dollars from the law firm that
was started by his

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great-grandfather on Saturday of
that same week.

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He called 911 to report that he
had been shot in the head while

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he was changing a tire on the
side of the road.

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The head wound ended up being
simple superficial, and he was

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airlifted to the hospital.
He's been released, and now he's

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saying that he's going to rehab.
This is It's just Madness.

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Bouquet February, 26, 2008 een.
Glorious Satterfield died and a

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trip and fall accident in
Hampton County and court

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documents named Richard.
As the only defendant in the

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case, his insurance paid the 57
year olds family, five hundred

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thousand dollars for personal
liability in a wrongful death

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suit, February 24th, 2018.
Mallory Beach goes.

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After a boat crash in which Paul
murder was driving a week lady.

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Her body was found April 18th,
2019, Palmer doll was charged

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with boating Under the
Influence.

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He was piloting, captaining this
boat three times the legal limit

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the boat was owned by his father
and it was a The name of the

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boat was bad, boys.
Oh my God and it currently

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resides in.
Edisto South Carolina, cringe on

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June 7th.
This year, Alec murder, Richard,

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Alec murder, discovers the body
of his wife, Maggie 52 and his

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son.
Paul 22 at the family's

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Seventeen Hundred Acre hunting
lodge and Colton County, three

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days before then there had been
a court-ordered mediation in the

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wrongful death suit against
Paul.

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And that had been canceled and
the case was going to a real

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trial.
No, hearing, we're going

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straight to trial June 8th,
Colton County officials released

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a statement at this time.
There's no danger to the public

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and the family offered 100
thousand dollar information for

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the like reward for their
deaths.

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Then June 23rd this year at 30
shared that based on the

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information gathered in the
murder investigation.

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They said it looked they were
looking into the 2015 death of

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Stephen Smith in Hampton County
my God and then a couple days

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ago on Nancy Grace a reporter
named, Matt Harris said that

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before her death, his wife,
Maggie Murdock, had hired a

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forensic accountant.
There is literally now a podcast

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just called the murdaugh family.
Murders, people who are

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following this.
Yeah, people want my opinion on

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it but I'm like, this is a big
thing that's happening.

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It's happening right now in the
midst of like, yeah.

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Can you imagine just being alive
when these big things?

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Oh my God, it's crazy.
Well, we were when we were

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little, I know we were talking
about the Monica Lewinsky and

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yeah, Clinton stuff.
I remember that.

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But I was little, you know,
sale, even same thing and just

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really enough for recording
today, on September 11th.

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I was in.
I was my first week of high

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school when September 11th
happened.

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Yeah, that was my, my my last
year.

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Yeah, that's your middle school.
So yes, this is so weird.

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Like these are all things that
they happen.

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We were younger but I'm like
This murder case.

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It's not done yet.
No.

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Gonna get blown wide open and
I'm very interested in seems so

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wild.
Because here's my thing, there's

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their kid be coincidence that
this family is tied to so much

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stuff.
My bet is on Richard Alec.

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Hmm, I think he's the center of
the problem here and I think he

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got everybody else hurting his
family.

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Yeah.
I mean, I sounds like his sons

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were, you know, typical
affluenza teams did wrong stuff,

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and then he He got rid of it
with my covered it up.

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Yeah.
Be covered it up.

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I mean some people are saying,
you know maybe the families of

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some of those people who were
killed Conspired against him.

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That seems a little far-fetched
to me, though.

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It would be incredible, if that
was really what it was.

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I don't think it's that
far-fetched.

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I can see that happening.
You could see it like, okay,

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Rich family, and this in our
town, kills someone in your

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family, or in extended family.
I don't see my family because my

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family is coming.
Am I think your family's gonna

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hire someone to try and kill
him?

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No, they're gonna come hunt them
themselves?

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Oh, wow.
I need you on my team that's

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because I don't have a whole lot
of family, so I need somebody to

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hunt.
If I get harmed, they got you.

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But yeah, I had to put it all
in, like a little chronological

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order in my notes because I was
like, this is becoming a lot of

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information now that that's
crazy.

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And I remember his, his
accidental, his shooting in the

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hand, someone shot him in the
head.

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Yeah.
And then, I remember someone

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saying that it seemed like it
was staged.

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All right.
Great.

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Because like they were talking
about that on the life should

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neither.
Did I think you heard us talking

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about that?
Yeah, it honestly because it

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only grazed his head.
Yeah, it does kind of sound like

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me, but, I mean, they would have
tested his hands for gunpowder.

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Yeah.
Maybe he hired someone to do,

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right?
Maybe, I mean, he does have the

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money to do it, but I'm
interested in the fact that

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like, he gets out of the
hospital and immediately I'm

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going to rehab, I'm going to
rehab.

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Also my company, my family
business is filing a lawsuit

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saying that, I siphoned,
Millions upon millions of

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dollars from our business He
stole from him.

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So there's so much going on.
How do you even do that?

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But I just feel you know,
obviously feel bad for the

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extended family.
Like Jesus.

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There's only one living son
left.

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Mmm.
Yeah It's gotta feel so bad his

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older brother and his mom died.
A couple of months ago and

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everything's looking like it's
pointing to his father as the

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reason why it happened or the
one that did it.

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That's just I've been watching
on Discovery plus.

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Yeah, this show called living
with evil.

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Like, evil lives here.
I can't remember the exact so

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familiar, but it's about people
who were close to people, who

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did horrible things.
It's, it's My empathy is

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overflowing here.
I feel so bad for those people

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like, or somebody being like, my
brother did this horrible stuff?

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And I never realized, I thought
he was always joking, right?

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Yeah, he was telling me like he
wanted.

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He came in and was like, I
killed somebody, and she was

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like, whatever, shut up.
And then she finds out Ten Years

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Later that he's implicated in
another murder and the police

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are like has your brother ever
done anything?

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And finally, she's like, well
yeah, one time like 10 years ago

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he told me.
He murdered a girl when we lived

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here.
And they go look into it and

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there's like bodies in the
backyard like I just feel, so

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awful, you feel awful for
everybody connected to it.

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It's one of the reasons why when
I try and do my stories on

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Tick-Tock.
I try to like give like after or

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even when I do them here I try
to explain like what happened

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after this happen.
Yeah.

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How did this affect these other
people?

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What happened?
What went on with their lives

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but interest I mean not
surprisingly.

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It's sometimes really hard to
find information about those

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people.
They change their names.

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Take off the radar.
They don't want to be contacted

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by anybody in the True Crime
community and you know what?

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I'll give you your peace.
Yeah they don't want that.

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Dredged up at all.
Yeah I understand that.

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Interestingly enough, the woman
who was dating what's his name?

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I don't like him.
Ted Bundy, she has.

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She collects all of the books
about her and him.

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She just wants to know what
people think about it.

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Oh, she's like remarried to a
another person.

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She's just like this was a weird
time in my life and I don't

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know.
He was thinking about.

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Yeah, she just wants to know,
and I think that's so

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intriguing, because I feel like
if I was in her shoes that I was

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dating, someone who killed like,
36 women confirmed, I would just

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be, like, I give up on dating
also.

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I don't want to hear his name
ever again.

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Want to hear my name in his knee
and say yeah but she finds the

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the fervor interesting, huh?
I got yelled at on YouTube for

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writing about doing a video.
About the Hart family murders.

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And I was like the mom of three
of the kids, the birth mom of

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three of the kids asked me to
cover it.

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She's like, you're over here
faking crying.

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I was like, yeah, it's the first
video that ever recorded where I

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teared up and specifically at
the part where I said that two

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of the children's bodies have
never been found.

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I was like, I only did it
because she asked me to,

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otherwise, I wouldn't have
covered it because it's still a

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traumatic case to think about.
I don't understand why people

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adopt children.
And then do horrible, do

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horrible things to them.
And like we made fun of that

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lady who, like adopted that kid
on YouTube and then gave them

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back to Asia.
But like, you know what, maybe

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that's the better thing, if you
realize you can't do the job

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past that child back to the
foster care system.

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Yeah.
Unfortunately.

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It sucks, but at least it'll be
alive construe.

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But we got way off topic.
Sorry, tell me about your true

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crime case of the week that you
found that happened recently.

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Okay, well a warning goes out to
everybody in Manhattan.

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Oh, women wait, another, where
we just talking about a serial

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killer in Georgia, we were but
this isn't a serial killer,

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okay?
This is a I guess you would call

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him as hero bro, /.
Oh no.

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Yeah.
So those are common.

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Amen.
Riding on a moped is going

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around and groping women in
Manhattan, that lower Manhattan.

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One of his victims was actually
an 11 year old girl.

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Oh no.
Oh yeah.

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That's atrocious.
Yeah.

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So it's been happening.
It says, at least nine victims.

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Hmm, since August 2nd.
Oh wow.

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So only, I'm like, a month and a
half.

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Yeah.
So what he does is he I guess he

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rides around, he circles his
victim like as stupid creepy

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shark.
Hey like okay creepy pervert

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shark Kirk and baby pervert
shark, got you, and then he, you

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know, he's on his moped into the
ground.

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Then he goes in, and he just
grabs a breast or whatever he

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can, and he speeds off.
There are pictures of this man.

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There's actually a video of him
too.

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You can't see his face because
he's wearing like, you know,

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mask in a hood but he rides a
red and black moped.

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And there he is, there he is.
All you see his eyes.

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Well yeah, criminals are using
the mask mandate to their

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advantage and there's less
people on the street than there

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would be used to.
Like there used to be, this is

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true.
So there's probably much less

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traffic in New York because a
lot of people are still working

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from home.
So you have less Witnesses.

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And it's easier for you to get
away.

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Think about it.
You've been in New York.

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A lot of times it's near
impossible for even a green

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light for you to cry.
Oh yeah.

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To go.
So, like normal Times Square 2

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years ago, time, you know,
around those areas are rough,

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but now it's very empty.
I've seen videos of people

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walking around New York.
It's a lot emptier than it was.

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I would love that.
I was there one time for

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Christmas hated it.
Never going back around

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Christmas.
Too many people.

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I hate busyness.
But So yeah, his first, his

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first attack was on August 2nd.
It was a 34 year old woman, just

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freaking weird and then his
latest attack Was a September

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7th.
The but slasher of Virginia got

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this weird.
Yeah.

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Like what are you doing?
And Crime Stoppers NYPD is the

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Crime.
Stoppers are offering it.

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Three thousand five hundred
dollar reward.

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For any tips, leading to his
capture of Stoppers is

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efficient.
Oh yeah, definitely earlier this

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year, this Hispanic lady was
just walk in and somebody like

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walked up and grabbed one of her
kids.

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She ran over and she yanked like
she pulled her child out of the

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window of the car.
Hmm.

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Like a badass.
Yeah.

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And then Crime Stoppers like
posted the video of that

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happening.
And like, within like ours, they

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had one of the guys in the car
and they were like, who are you

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there with?
And he Like I was there with my

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dad and somebody else's in the
car who didn't know they were

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going to do it.
And that person just drove away

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and I was like, listen.
Gotta love when the community

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comes together.
It's amazing.

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So, If somebody knows who he is,
they gonna find out.

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Yeah, I mean his youngest was
the 11 year old but baby There's

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a 15 year old girl as well.
That guy gropes.

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Oh I don't know if he's
targeting younger women but it's

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my these seem like opportunity
attacks, you know.

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Yeah, he sees someone, he likes
and he's just like, well it's

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the issue that we have in the
states where they're like she's

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tall has breasts obviously woman
and I'm like no that's not how

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that works at all.
I was like 5, 8 and 10 years

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old.
I've been the same height since

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I was like 10.
Just because I'm a tall.

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Does it mean I'm a grown-up?
Yeah.

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Don't assume my age.
Listen, there's always says like

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situations where, you know,
people are like well you know,

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she wished she told you she was
18 and like maybe you should

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talk to somebody before you like
engage with them in that way.

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Yeah.
Like have a conversation.

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Who knows?
But I would never take anyone

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who I felt looked a little young
at face value.

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Let me see that idea because you
real quick, make sure that's

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real.
I'm a card you before we can go

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on a date.
That was definitely interesting.

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Yeah, awful.
Terrible.

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Just keep an eye out and big
cities, have a lot of weirdos.

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Yeah, I have a lot of horror
stories of late night buses from

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Philadelphia.
People just get on there and do

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weird stuff.
I imagine I can imagine.

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So yeah.
Well this week's episode is

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about we're going to Europe
again but not hungry.

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Actually going to Italy.
Okay, so this guy is early

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Italian.
Serial killer, who was a woman,

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she's known as the soap maker of
coraggio, and she murdered seven

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women in the city of Karachi.
Oh, Reggio Emilia and turn their

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bodies into soap and tea cakes.
Yeah, I kind of figured.

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That's where this was going.
It's an injury.

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It's actually really perplexed.
In case of a woman who is very

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mentally ill.
Assessed with witchcraft and

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folk magic and human sacrifice
and Superstition of the occult.

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You gotta love it.
A little little crisscross with

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what year usually talking about.
It's good.

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So, her name is lonardo Qin, qiu
Li, and she was born in

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Montella, Aveeno and South Italy
on April 1884, her parents well,

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okay, I know I only said one
line, but her mom was a million

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did no fee.
And she was considered to be one

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of the most beautiful women in
Montella.

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She was young.
She was near the age when women

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get married.
She's a great reputation and her

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parents were receiving all these
Dowry requests.

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She was set to be like the ideal
1894 woman of Italy.

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So not his father Mary Ellen,
Mariano was not a good man.

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He was poor and so was his
family.

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He was older mean and transient.
They only met at all because of

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her bad fortune.
Honestly.

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Murrieta saw her in a crowd and
developed a very unhealthy

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obsession with her, he began
following her around Montella

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and he would watch her as she
enjoyed her, high-class life and

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happiness and he actually really
hate her.

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He decided he was going to take
her down a Peg and ruin her and

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make her just like him.
A man, that nobody wanted.

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Oh my God, this whole Carol.
So one night Amelia had gone on

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a chaperone dinner with a man
who wanted to marry her.

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And it was pretty custom at the
time that one of the family like

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half of the family was there so
Amelia's family wasn't there.

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The her suitors family was there
watching their date.

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Okay.
And the dinner wasn't that far

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from her house so she kind of
Waved the man and his family off

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and walked home alone Mariano
grabbed her and dragged her into

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a field.
At first, she thought she was

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being robbed and so she
explained to him, like, I don't

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have a wallet and I have a
purse.

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She was very young and naive and
she had no idea about sex other

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than this is a people.
This is the thing people do

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after weddings.
She wasn't proud, she probably

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wasn't entirely sure what was
happening to her other than just

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she was in pain, she Was
assaulted.

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She like I said, she understand
what happened to her.

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She left the field and walked
home in pain.

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She was definitely a shame
because she was grow.

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She grew up very Catholic, she
cleaned herself off before her

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family could see her, you know,
throughout her clothes because

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it was covered in mud and blood.
And she continued talking any

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money.
She didn't wanna let her mom

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know, right?
She went to town events and

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Rihanna watched from the
sidelines that he was like, did

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it work?
He wanted to see if she was

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gonna call the police and he
knew that he had made some

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effect on her because whenever
she would be walking in town and

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see him her face would turn
white and she would just

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immediately walk away.
We so she saw his face.

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She knew it was she knew it was.
Wow, you're just out there

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braised and boy.
Okay.

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It was until she began to show
that things changed her mother

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noticed, it first and her
parents confronted her and we're

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like Which of these boys that
you've been cordoned, got you

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pregnant and she was like, no,
no, it's not like that.

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Mary threatened to go house to
house to all of the guys that

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she had been talking to.
And Grill all of them.

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And finally, she told her
parents that she had been raped

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by an older man in town on her
way home from a date and that

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his name was Mariano.
Her parents knew immediately who

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this guy was?
And they were pretty upset, but

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the next night they brought him
to their house to speak with him

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and it was, how are you going to
make this, right?

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Her parents are like you have to
marry him.

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No.
He, of course accepted because

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he's like, bet my ticket to the
big times, they rushed the

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ceremony.
And this totally breaks Amelia's

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heart and dream of having a
wedding and all these things.

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She thought she was going to
have the two hadn't even spoken

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since the night that they saw it
happen.

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And she didn't talk to him
during the wedding either.

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And then her parents quietly,
pushed her out of their house

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into a crappy home and the
poorest part of town, it was

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much less than she was used to
and even less than Mariano had

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growing up.
So it was a major culture shock

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Place had no furniture.
Bathroom was an outhouse that

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they shared with other people on
the Block Mariano, did he have a

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job?
What you doing?

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Why make him marry her?
Why make her marry him?

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Because being a woman without a
husband who had a baby?

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I'm here.
An outcast.

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I don't care what he did.
Oh my God, and then and then you

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make it her move in with him and
his crappy house.

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You could his meat as move into
your guest house or something

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like that.
Know your ass is how he was, but

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they were rich and he was a bum.
Can't have the bomb.

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Okay, fine.
Here's what I'm thinking.

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Groaning, the chinchilla named
keep him at his house and they

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stay at their house but they're
still married, no fee.

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Named Amelia was too noisy, just
just keep them separately,

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living together and then you're
good to go.

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Listen, at that point.
I wouldn't have even let my

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thought process would have been
a million is really ill right

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now.
She would have had that baby

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insight and private.
Hmm, Nobody would know.

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And I would very quietly in the
middle of the night as her

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mother take that baby to an
orphanage.

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She would recover and then we
would go back to accepting them,

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dowries.
Oh my God, I'm just saying of

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the time.
That's what they're doing of the

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time of the time.
Yes, that's what I guess.

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That's what they should have
done.

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But of course, you come across
the next part.

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Obviously Amelia had no desire
to have sex with her rapist and

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so he continued to rape her, and
he would beat her when the house

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wasn't clean enough.
Because he thought she was being

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defiant because she didn't like
him.

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He didn't realize that.
Literally.

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This like, 19 year old girl was
raised in a household where she

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never cleaned anything in her
entire life.

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She had servants dummy.
You ruined her life jacket.

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From the jump.
The neighbors saw this is like

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one of the wealthy Elite kind
of, you know, getting their

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comeuppance.
So high society turn their backs

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on her.
Poor people were like, we don't

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really want to listen to the
rich girl, complain about her.

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Husband beating her her mom,
like she would sometimes go see

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talk to her mom, her mom listen
to her and was just like, I

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really can't help you.
Amelia why not?

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And the worst part is that they
kept saying the same thing you

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gave up your Purity to the
wrong, man.

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I'm like David up.
I didn't do nothing.

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00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,800
So I explained all that to
explain you, that this is the

454
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:48,300
world that Leonardo was born
into April 18th 1894, okay?

455
00:25:48,500 --> 00:25:50,200
Mariana wasn't even there.
He was off.

456
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,200
Drinking, Amelia was all alone.
She ended up walking out into

457
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,800
the street and like finally saw
someone saw how Pitiful.

458
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,700
She was and sent a midwife to
her.

459
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,500
The labor was long and hard and
she almost she barely registered

460
00:26:03,500 --> 00:26:06,300
that she even had a child.
The first few days is pretty

461
00:26:06,300 --> 00:26:09,600
traumatic for her.
She kind of laid in the house

462
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,100
with the baby attached to her
and she was just like, hmm.

463
00:26:14,100 --> 00:26:22,600
He really did ruin my life.
Now, Mariano and Amelia, and the

464
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,600
baby have to move a lot over the
next couple of years.

465
00:26:26,500 --> 00:26:30,000
Mainly because of non-payment of
rent, Mariana didn't seem to

466
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,800
care.
He'd find another slum to move

467
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,400
into set up shop.
Go drinking Amelia, and

468
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,100
Leonardo.
Only really surprised like

469
00:26:38,100 --> 00:26:40,400
survive because of the kindness
of the church.

470
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,300
The local Catholic Church would
reach out to get a million

471
00:26:43,300 --> 00:26:47,000
supplies or food and she found
that to be rather shameful but

472
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,300
she needed the help.
She didn't really have a lot of

473
00:26:50,300 --> 00:26:55,800
power as a parent or in her
relationship and I think, you

474
00:26:55,808 --> 00:26:58,400
know where this is going.
Hmm, based on some of our recent

475
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:04,100
podcast, lovely episodes that
you've done before we can Nanny.

476
00:27:04,100 --> 00:27:09,500
And so a lot of that,
powerlessness manifested itself

477
00:27:09,500 --> 00:27:12,100
as anger and frustration towards
Leonardo.

478
00:27:13,300 --> 00:27:16,300
She was like, literally Darter
was beat for the smallest

479
00:27:16,300 --> 00:27:19,700
mishaps, even when she was just
a toddler constantly.

480
00:27:19,700 --> 00:27:24,300
Critiqued, and every awful thing
that a million wanted to say to

481
00:27:24,300 --> 00:27:28,100
her husband, she pushed towards
the child.

482
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,800
She would rage across her
daughter during the day and then

483
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,200
get raped at Night by her
husband.

484
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,000
It was like one time Mariano
didn't come home and she was

485
00:27:40,100 --> 00:27:43,100
kind of relieved.
She'd even noticed it first

486
00:27:43,100 --> 00:27:45,100
because he would go on these
drinking binges.

487
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,800
But finally, after a couple
days, not because she cared

488
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,800
about him because she felt like
she had to.

489
00:27:51,100 --> 00:27:53,600
She grabbed the baby and went
out into the streets to look for

490
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,100
him.
Finds him in one of his friends

491
00:27:55,100 --> 00:27:58,100
house.
He's sick feverish passed out,

492
00:27:58,100 --> 00:28:00,800
hadn't woken up.
They were to Ford portal for the

493
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,400
doctor but honestly I don't
think she would have given a

494
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,700
damn sent to keep that man
alive.

495
00:28:06,700 --> 00:28:08,900
I wouldn't his friends.
Picked him up.

496
00:28:08,900 --> 00:28:12,100
Took him back to the house.
There, he stayed in his All a

497
00:28:12,100 --> 00:28:17,000
coma until he died.
Giving Amelia the respite of

498
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:21,200
being a widow.
Well she is she's free from now

499
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,500
she can have the lifestyle she
always wanted right.

500
00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:25,500
Yeah right.
No.

501
00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:45,500
I'll give that a second though.
Lonardo didn't really have a lot

502
00:28:45,500 --> 00:28:48,000
of memories of him because he
died when she was like three.

503
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,200
She did.
Remember the funeral though, and

504
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,800
how her mother had her stand by
the graveside as both?

505
00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:56,400
Okay, I can tell you a lot of
this is good.

506
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,700
Come from Leonardo's, Memoirs
that she wrote while she was in

507
00:28:59,700 --> 00:29:02,100
prison, though.
There's some of it that I leave

508
00:29:02,100 --> 00:29:04,500
out because I feel like she
embellished a little bit.

509
00:29:04,500 --> 00:29:07,700
Okay.
She talked about A being like a

510
00:29:07,700 --> 00:29:10,900
Sex Fiend, like a month, just
the most seductive woman of all

511
00:29:10,900 --> 00:29:12,400
time.
I'm like, we're going to leave

512
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,100
those details out Leonardo
because I don't think that

513
00:29:15,100 --> 00:29:17,700
really happened.
A lot of other people don't

514
00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:19,800
either.
I compared her story to other

515
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,700
people's stories of her and the
things that didn't line up have

516
00:29:23,700 --> 00:29:25,500
not been at it today is but I
guess.

517
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:30,300
Okay, cool that what she said in
her Memoir, was that when the

518
00:29:30,300 --> 00:29:36,800
funeral was over, Her mother
spat on his grave and said that

519
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,700
man was a pig and it's the for
the best that we're rid of him.

520
00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:43,900
Yeah.
So Amelia thought she'd get to

521
00:29:43,900 --> 00:29:46,400
go back to her family's estate
because Marianas dead.

522
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,300
Yeah, that didn't happen.
Her family had turned their back

523
00:29:50,300 --> 00:29:53,500
on her entirely and locals were
like kind of treating her like a

524
00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:56,000
cautionary.
Tale don't have sex before

525
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,000
marriage or you'll end up like a
million Jin Zhu Li I was

526
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:05,500
assaulted motherfuckers.
American really only do one

527
00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:07,500
thing and that was look for a
new husband.

528
00:30:08,100 --> 00:30:09,400
Sure.
There was nobody Rich who was

529
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,100
going to take her but middle
class.

530
00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:14,900
Hey, we can do that.
This wasn't really good for a

531
00:30:14,900 --> 00:30:16,700
million either because she kept
meeting man.

532
00:30:16,700 --> 00:30:19,500
Who either wanted to have sex
with her before they got into

533
00:30:19,500 --> 00:30:22,900
their arranged marriages.
Or they were kind of defective

534
00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:24,700
because they maybe they'd
already gone to prison.

535
00:30:24,700 --> 00:30:29,200
So they were unmarriageable men.
Okay after a while she was just

536
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,700
like yeah I'm sure she was just
like you know what?

537
00:30:31,700 --> 00:30:35,000
Who at this point they already
think poorly of Of me, I might

538
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,600
as well give them something to
talk about.

539
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,100
So Amelia second husband.
Well he at least had a job,

540
00:30:41,300 --> 00:30:43,700
okay.
He had impressed him Million by

541
00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:47,800
spending very lavishly on her
and she didn't take that as a

542
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:52,400
red flag because he very
frequently spent all of his

543
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,700
money very quickly after they
got married.

544
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,900
This was almost worse than of it
with Mariano for leonarda

545
00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:02,300
because it was very feast or
famine with her stepdad.

546
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,800
Her mom fed her based on the
food that she and her husband

547
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,600
brought back from the meals that
they got when they went out on

548
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,800
the town.
Her mom's still abused her.

549
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,000
Her stepfather didn't seem to
really register her at all.

550
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,000
Not surprisingly when Leonardo
was not even a teenager.

551
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,500
The first time she tried to kill
herself, she tried to hang

552
00:31:25,500 --> 00:31:27,800
herself in the Raptors Rafters
of their Farmhouse.

553
00:31:28,100 --> 00:31:31,600
The news came apart because it
was made of dirty bedding.

554
00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:34,900
She did Crush, her, larynx
temporarily.

555
00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:37,400
So she couldn't even talk for
like a week, but it wasn't like

556
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:42,100
anybody noticed because they all
ignored her, she tried.

557
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:44,200
Again A year later, trying to
hang herself.

558
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:51,400
Again she survived Amelia only
seem to care about Leonardo when

559
00:31:51,900 --> 00:31:56,400
Amelia start talking about
marriage because for the time

560
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,200
Leonardo was considered to be
very beautiful.

561
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,400
Just like her mother.
And a lot of men were becoming

562
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,600
interested.
The Montel Community didn't seem

563
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,400
to hold leonarda accountable for
her, mother's mistakes.

564
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,700
And so wealthy men were willing
to talk and potentially Mary

565
00:32:12,700 --> 00:32:15,100
Leonardo.
Now this starts when she's like

566
00:32:15,100 --> 00:32:19,700
16 Okay, she's a young pure
beautiful.

567
00:32:19,700 --> 00:32:21,700
Girl.
She's from the Denali bloodline.

568
00:32:21,700 --> 00:32:24,400
They're very wealthy.
She'd been raised without money

569
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,200
so she didn't have any of the
like snobbish behavior that the

570
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,000
lot of the rich girls in town
had, right?

571
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,100
Right.
Kind of acting like a regular

572
00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:35,200
person.
So Amelia very happily went on

573
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,300
all of these dates with her
daughter, enjoying the expensive

574
00:32:38,300 --> 00:32:43,000
meals and the nice places.
She was having so much fun that

575
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,600
she didn't realize that Leonardo
was dating in secret.

576
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,100
And that's that's a big problem.
Oh well.

577
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,600
Here's the problem though.
Remember I told you that the the

578
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,900
men interested in marrying her
story when she's 16.

579
00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:58,400
Yeah.
All of a sudden it's like 1917

580
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,900
L, 23 years old and a million
won't pick a husband for her.

581
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,100
This is because why she was
enjoying it, she was just wanted

582
00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:07,800
to.
She wanted.

583
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,400
She wanted to have the
experience that got taken from

584
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,000
her.
I mean, Okay, vicariously

585
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,600
through your child.
Well, the problem with that is

586
00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:19,800
we are was like, what are we
doing here at your, you know?

587
00:33:20,300 --> 00:33:23,000
Yeah, be feet.
You waste waste my time.

588
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,100
Come on now.
Well, and she definitely was

589
00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:30,000
aware a million was definitely
aware that Leonardo was not

590
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,800
really fond of her.
Now you know it was not the type

591
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,600
to just like not listen to her
mom that's not the world they

592
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,700
lived in.
So even though a million knew

593
00:33:41,700 --> 00:33:45,300
that her daughter was Restless,
she still was dragging her feet.

594
00:33:45,700 --> 00:33:48,100
So Leonardo chose her own
husband.

595
00:33:48,300 --> 00:33:51,500
His name was Rafael pants Rd.
He was a couple years older than

596
00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:54,600
her and he worked as a clerk.
It was a low-paying government

597
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,300
job, but it was stable income.
Unlike anything that she had

598
00:33:57,300 --> 00:33:59,600
seen from any other man in her
life, right?

599
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,700
And she didn't really care about
money anyway.

600
00:34:01,700 --> 00:34:04,500
She didn't exactly have a lot of
it to begin with, so she didn't

601
00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:09,100
really crave it as an adult.
Amelia was like, who is this?

602
00:34:09,100 --> 00:34:11,699
Not rich, man, trying to Pros my
daughter.

603
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,900
He tried the right way.
He really did.

604
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,900
He like approached Amelia and
was like, I would like to marry

605
00:34:16,900 --> 00:34:19,699
your daughter and Amelia was
like, she just laughed at him

606
00:34:19,699 --> 00:34:24,100
and let it go.
What it's really messed up

607
00:34:24,100 --> 00:34:28,100
because if she had taken the
time to talk to leonarda things

608
00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:31,199
probably wouldn't have gone this
poorly because what was

609
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:32,900
happening, is that Leonardo's
like you're making these

610
00:34:32,900 --> 00:34:35,500
decisions for my life and you're
not including me in them, right?

611
00:34:35,500 --> 00:34:38,199
Yeah.
And you're trying to keep me

612
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:41,100
with you and you're not letting
me leave or grow up.

613
00:34:42,900 --> 00:34:47,500
This is the first time that
Leonardo disobeys her mother.

614
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,300
She goes to Rafael tells him.
I accept your proposal.

615
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,699
I don't need her acceptance of
it, then they go and they get

616
00:34:55,699 --> 00:34:59,500
married at a very small wedding
with just his family and her

617
00:34:59,500 --> 00:35:02,800
friends.
Okay, she goes home to pick up a

618
00:35:02,808 --> 00:35:06,600
few things Amelia's there.
Now Leonardo expects her mother

619
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,000
to hit her, she expects her
mother, they yell.

620
00:35:12,700 --> 00:35:15,800
What happens is actually worse,
okay?

621
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,500
She curses her daughter's
marriage.

622
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:26,300
Oh no.
This is terrible.

623
00:35:26,300 --> 00:35:30,900
It is Leonardo took those words
with her and it really informed

624
00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:35,800
like the rest of her life.
She was convinced that this

625
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,400
curse was real and it was going
to ruin her life.

626
00:35:44,500 --> 00:35:47,900
Terrible.
Even, they live in a really

627
00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:51,800
small town.
She tried to avoid Amelia's best

628
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:56,900
she could and Raphael was a nice
guy, but he also very much

629
00:35:56,900 --> 00:35:59,000
struggle to deal with Leonardo's
Behavior.

630
00:35:59,500 --> 00:36:03,500
Like she would cook dinner and
if she burned something, she

631
00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:06,300
would cry whenever he tried to
help her.

632
00:36:06,300 --> 00:36:10,200
Like if you lean towards her to
reach for something she would

633
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:15,900
Flinch, of course, what we know
that is is PTSD today but he

634
00:36:15,900 --> 00:36:18,900
didn't understand that.
He was just like, why is she so

635
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:25,100
Attic like what is going on?
Yeah, Leonardo started having

636
00:36:25,100 --> 00:36:28,800
seizures whenever she got too
emotional and she didn't go to

637
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,600
the doctor because she was like
this is obviously a

638
00:36:30,607 --> 00:36:32,400
manifestation of my mother's
curse.

639
00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:36,800
Rafael tried to support her, but
things weren't going so great

640
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,900
for him.
Either he turned a lot of

641
00:36:38,900 --> 00:36:43,700
enemies by marrying her because
his bosses were friends of the

642
00:36:43,700 --> 00:36:47,500
Town Elite and they were pissed
that they hadn't gotten to marry

643
00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:49,900
her.
Oh my God, all of his job

644
00:36:49,900 --> 00:36:53,500
advancement got ignored at the
end that the government job.

645
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,700
So Leonardo turn to the Romani
for help.

646
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,000
She went to a fortune teller.
And the fortune teller told her

647
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:08,100
your mother's curse will not
kill you, you're going to live a

648
00:37:08,107 --> 00:37:12,000
very long life and you will
outlive all of your children.

649
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,600
Leonarda consider that to be the
worst.

650
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,100
Most terrible thing that could
happen.

651
00:37:20,100 --> 00:37:21,800
Yeah.
And three years into her

652
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:22,900
marriage.
It came true.

653
00:37:23,900 --> 00:37:26,900
Amelia had told her you were
conceived the first time.

654
00:37:26,900 --> 00:37:30,800
Anything happened, solely an
artist whom she'd be just as

655
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,900
fertile but it took three years
and when she realized she was

656
00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:37,100
pregnant, she panicked.
And unfortunately, the stress

657
00:37:37,100 --> 00:37:39,300
made her have more seizures and
the seizures meant.

658
00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:41,300
She fell down a lot and she had
a miscarriage.

659
00:37:41,300 --> 00:37:44,900
Three months later.
Raphael very quickly.

660
00:37:44,900 --> 00:37:48,700
Realizes we're not going to be
happy in Montella and he moves

661
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:51,500
them in 1920.
We hop on the train and they

662
00:37:51,508 --> 00:37:55,500
just went, they stopped a couple
places but they finally settled

663
00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:00,000
and Lauria Potenza in 1921
Rafael was raised there and they

664
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,700
had enough money for a small
house.

665
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,300
They were 100 miles away from
Amelia, the climate was warmer

666
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,400
and a lot of Leonardo, stress
disappeared.

667
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,800
She even started to think that
maybe the curse wasn't all that

668
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,900
real.
They tried for a baby this time.

669
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:18,100
And she gave birth to Giuseppe
in 1922 he was healthy, the

670
00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:20,500
labor was easy, but they were
broke.

671
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,300
So she had to apply for jobs to,
but no one really wanted to hire

672
00:38:25,300 --> 00:38:27,900
her because they like to hire
women at all.

673
00:38:27,900 --> 00:38:31,500
Then there was a weird
undercurrent of like, women who

674
00:38:31,500 --> 00:38:37,900
work are like not to be trusted.
It was just some women are

675
00:38:37,900 --> 00:38:40,200
supposed to be in the home and
if she's out working, she

676
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,300
obviously has money and she can
get up to trouble.

677
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,100
What do they do?
Does that mean when I have money

678
00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:49,700
and I can get up trouble anyway,
and guilt in trouble with money,

679
00:38:49,900 --> 00:38:51,700
you don't have money.
Can you get up to trouble?

680
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,500
Yeah.
Not really Union to not sit in

681
00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:57,300
your house like a housewife.
Would you vote?

682
00:38:57,300 --> 00:38:59,800
Do it the house, okay?
But housework is still leave the

683
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,500
house and get into something.
She could become a murderer,

684
00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:06,300
born Giuseppe, she can leave
Giuseppe there for a little bit.

685
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,400
He's right.
You cannot leave a newborn baby

686
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:09,900
alone.
What is wrong with you?

687
00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:12,400
You have two children.
You know how this goes?

688
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,200
Oh man, okay fine what it out?
That the newborn they should

689
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,100
have to do more and she could
get into a lot of trouble

690
00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:21,700
because she can go and leave the
house.

691
00:39:21,700 --> 00:39:25,200
Anyway, you don't have to have
monies, but the situation is

692
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,100
that she has just that be to
worry about, and they need

693
00:39:29,100 --> 00:39:31,700
money.
Either way.

694
00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:35,300
All she can get whirligig jobs
bartending, being a waitress,

695
00:39:35,300 --> 00:39:38,300
she made almost no money.
The noise at the establishments

696
00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:41,700
made her feel anxious.
She's tried to push through it

697
00:39:41,700 --> 00:39:43,300
but she started having the
seizures again.

698
00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:48,100
Her husband's like come home,
just stay home.

699
00:39:49,700 --> 00:39:53,500
Leonardo gets pregnant again,
miss Carey's again, this

700
00:39:53,500 --> 00:39:56,200
happened over and over over the
coming years.

701
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:00,400
She successfully did have two
little girls and another boy but

702
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,100
they got sick.
One a little girls had bad

703
00:40:03,100 --> 00:40:06,000
lungs.
Little boy got rashes, little

704
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:11,500
girl died as a toddler and her
brother right after The doctors

705
00:40:11,500 --> 00:40:14,400
couldn't understand why and no
one really wanted to do an

706
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,900
autopsy on a baby.
So they didn't know if that was

707
00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:20,100
a genetic thing, they were just
kind of like we're just gonna

708
00:40:20,300 --> 00:40:24,800
not do anything.
So what would happen was this

709
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:30,100
cycle and I blame Rafael on
this, she would be like super

710
00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:34,600
grieving and then she would
start to get better and Raphael

711
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,800
would be like you will have a
baby.

712
00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:39,900
Oh.
So they would try she would get

713
00:40:39,900 --> 00:40:42,900
pregnant.
She was been as long as she was

714
00:40:42,900 --> 00:40:48,000
pregnant stressing.
Have the miscarriage because she

715
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,000
was constantly having seizures,
or they be born and she see

716
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,100
them, get sick and die.
She lost five more children,

717
00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:58,200
this way.
Like, even the best of us would

718
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,800
struggle with like one, but at
this point now, there are six

719
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,200
children who have died and two
miscarriages.

720
00:41:07,300 --> 00:41:09,500
Leonardo's know what to do, but
what she is going to do is to

721
00:41:09,500 --> 00:41:11,300
focus on these two children that
are alive.

722
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,300
It's just that be.
And there's one little girl who

723
00:41:13,300 --> 00:41:18,400
still here.
Also in her writings, never

724
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,300
talks about the names of the
other children Giuseppe's, the

725
00:41:21,300 --> 00:41:24,600
only kid she ever.
Super cared about that is the

726
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,500
one child.
She loved more than anything

727
00:41:26,500 --> 00:41:28,800
else.
So you're just going to hear me

728
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:34,400
say, girl boy Giuseppe.
Okay, I don't listen, it was

729
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:35,600
weird.
She was weird.

730
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:36,900
We're just gonna go along with
it.

731
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:44,800
So her husband definitely sees
like, This is an unhealthy

732
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,900
Obsession happening and he's
just like, he can't, he knows,

733
00:41:48,900 --> 00:41:51,100
he can't go over and like
physically, take like the

734
00:41:51,100 --> 00:41:57,000
six-year-old from her.
So he's just like, okay look, A

735
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,900
family of four can survive on,
just my little clerking come.

736
00:42:01,500 --> 00:42:05,700
My little secretary income, and
she doesn't want to do it.

737
00:42:07,100 --> 00:42:11,400
She's convinced if she leaves
them alone, someone will die.

738
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,500
And you would think being able
to just open a door and be like,

739
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,000
you're still there.
Would like make her feel better,

740
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,300
she could confirm those feelings
whenever she had them.

741
00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:26,600
Nope, it only made it worse,
anytime, one of her children,

742
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,300
coughed, or whimpered or cried?
She would rush over to them,

743
00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:33,400
like, wake them up to make sure
they were still breathing.

744
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,600
It was very intense.
Rafael like, is he pushes for

745
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,500
work, though?
He's like, okay, listen.

746
00:42:39,900 --> 00:42:42,100
My wife has some, a delicate
temperament.

747
00:42:43,700 --> 00:42:48,300
And so, the one job that is they
seem okay with it is she's a

748
00:42:48,300 --> 00:42:49,300
wife.
So she probably knows how to

749
00:42:49,308 --> 00:42:53,800
clean the bank needs.
Someone to come at night and

750
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,100
clean everything.
It actually worked really well

751
00:42:57,100 --> 00:43:01,800
for her because it was after
hours, the kids were asleep.

752
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,300
She didn't have to be around
anybody.

753
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,900
Yeah.
And the bank was really cheap,

754
00:43:07,900 --> 00:43:10,900
instead of buying already made
cleaning supplies, they just

755
00:43:10,900 --> 00:43:13,300
bought the raw materials and she
had to do it all herself.

756
00:43:13,300 --> 00:43:16,600
Oh, which is how she learned,
how to make her own soaps and

757
00:43:16,607 --> 00:43:19,000
how she became quite good at it.
Okay.

758
00:43:19,300 --> 00:43:22,700
It was kind of one of those
things where people who are

759
00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:25,100
anxious like to work with their
hands and I do that sometimes

760
00:43:25,500 --> 00:43:28,300
and it soothes you was kind of
like that for her.

761
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,500
So as she's working, you know,
these first couple weeks she's

762
00:43:32,500 --> 00:43:35,400
getting all these ideas in her
head, we're going to save money.

763
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,400
This is going to be great and
she gets her first paycheck.

764
00:43:39,900 --> 00:43:44,900
It's not that much money as she
realizes, this is just enough.

765
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,600
For the two of them, to the four
of them to live.

766
00:43:49,900 --> 00:43:52,100
She's not gonna be able to save
anything, she's not going to be

767
00:43:52,100 --> 00:43:57,300
able to get a better house.
Just survive.

768
00:43:57,300 --> 00:44:00,500
Yeah, and the job did.
Pull her back from the obsessive

769
00:44:00,500 --> 00:44:02,400
Edge.
She was on, but she was, by no

770
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:08,700
means any better mentally.
And then, while she was at work,

771
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,000
Under Rafael's, watch her 10th
child died.

772
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,600
No, no one came to tell her
because they knew what was going

773
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,300
to happen.
She came home exhausted from a

774
00:44:20,308 --> 00:44:24,000
night of cleaning and found that
one of her other daughter had

775
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,300
died.
Following day, she laid the

776
00:44:27,300 --> 00:44:32,300
child arrest, in a pauper's
grave and went to work again the

777
00:44:32,300 --> 00:44:37,700
following night.
I imagine Rafael probably was a

778
00:44:37,707 --> 00:44:40,000
little, like, when's it gonna
happen?

779
00:44:40,500 --> 00:44:45,900
When's it gonna happen.
Yeah, eggshells the whole time.

780
00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:48,500
Just well, what happened next is
that she was like, you know

781
00:44:48,500 --> 00:44:53,300
what, if we had money for a
doctor then our kids would be

782
00:44:53,300 --> 00:44:54,700
better.
Like the kids, you know, just

783
00:44:54,700 --> 00:44:58,800
happy won't die because we can't
afford for someone to look at

784
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:03,300
him.
And so, one night shortly after

785
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:08,700
have child died, she created a
fake account in the bank records

786
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,800
and she just wrote in a number
that she felt would be a secure

787
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,100
amount for her family.
She's like, listen, thanks,

788
00:45:16,100 --> 00:45:18,900
nice.
Just a clerical error.

789
00:45:18,900 --> 00:45:20,400
What are you talking about?
Wait.

790
00:45:21,500 --> 00:45:25,700
Hold on, hold on.
She created a fake bank account

791
00:45:25,900 --> 00:45:28,500
for her family.
She went into their records,

792
00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:34,200
which were on paper.
This is pre, you know, so

793
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:39,500
anything digital and she made an
account for herself and she was

794
00:45:39,500 --> 00:45:44,800
rolling an amount that she yes.
But the bank wasn't going to

795
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:50,000
have that amount whoo-hoo.
The bank was not happy that it

796
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,500
all the being found out, they
found it real fast, okay?

797
00:45:53,900 --> 00:45:57,200
And in fact, one day when she
wasn't like one day time she

798
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,700
came to like, pull the money.
Hmm.

799
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:04,400
And the police were there.
And she was escorting to prison

800
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:09,000
charged with fraud convicted and
put in prison in 1927.

801
00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:12,900
Now in the 1920s, Italian law
said that women were supposed to

802
00:46:12,908 --> 00:46:17,200
have the same sentences as men
even, but the problem was there

803
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:18,600
weren't that many women in
prison.

804
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,200
And the men's prisons were like
real intense.

805
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,700
They were like hard labor camps.
What they didn't have proper

806
00:46:25,700 --> 00:46:29,400
place to put women, but what
they did have was stuffed with

807
00:46:29,408 --> 00:46:34,500
the Catholic Church owned solely
neurotic and sent to this place.

808
00:46:34,500 --> 00:46:37,800
That's a former nunnery still
owned by the Catholic Church

809
00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:42,400
still run by nuns.
It's pretty awful.

810
00:46:42,700 --> 00:46:46,100
And the nuns actually would just
add years to women's sentences

811
00:46:46,100 --> 00:46:54,400
if they wanted to what the
Listen, Stephanie was doing

812
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,500
whatever you need to add more
years to her sentence.

813
00:46:56,500 --> 00:47:02,400
That's how it was with your
sister and just doing enough,

814
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,400
Leonardo had lived, 23 years
with Amelia.

815
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,000
So she knew absolutely had to
deal with the older cruel women.

816
00:47:09,700 --> 00:47:13,200
She actually only ended up
serving 18 months and was sent

817
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:18,000
home to Rafael and just happy
Where she had decided while she

818
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,700
was in prison.
That she was the only one who

819
00:47:19,700 --> 00:47:22,100
could take care of Giuseppe and
make sure he was safe.

820
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:28,300
Now while she's gone, family are
outcasts Rafael loses his job

821
00:47:28,300 --> 00:47:33,600
because of her laughing.
Sorry, family name sullied.

822
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,300
The rest of his family have to
ignore him because they do want

823
00:47:36,300 --> 00:47:38,100
to be connected to Leonardo
June.

824
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,600
When she gets out of prison, his
family's like listen, y'all

825
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,200
gotta go.
So they just like sneak, send

826
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,900
them some money.
And they leave like the cover of

827
00:47:47,900 --> 00:47:52,000
Darkness.
Raphael was pretty tired of

828
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,700
dealing with Leonardo's Mental
Health.

829
00:47:54,900 --> 00:47:57,000
And he kind of just got to a
place where he was like a hair.

830
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,900
Just do this, you do this and
you do this and he was just kind

831
00:47:59,900 --> 00:48:02,800
of like directing her.
She wasn't too happy about it

832
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,400
because it reminded her mom but
then he got a job in last

833
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,600
Sidonia avellino and the family
moved South, that's the journey

834
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,200
was very similar to other small
towns.

835
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,900
They lived in a really rural but
this job came with a house that

836
00:48:16,900 --> 00:48:21,300
overlooked the acento river and
it was pretty nice Giuseppe and

837
00:48:21,300 --> 00:48:23,200
his friends like to fish by the
river.

838
00:48:23,900 --> 00:48:26,200
You know, didn't have to work.
And so she just focused on

839
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,900
taking care of the home.
She's 36 years old and 1930.

840
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,100
Oh my God.
She did it on her side.

841
00:48:32,100 --> 00:48:35,600
She got pregnant again.
She stretched herself out

842
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,200
thinking about the curse from
Amelia.

843
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,800
So she started going to the
Romani who traveled through of

844
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,600
a, you know, because that was
like the bigger city.

845
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,400
And so she decided to seek them
out again and a tent.

846
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:52,500
She's literally, she drags just
happy with her and she's just

847
00:48:52,500 --> 00:48:59,900
like if I get pregnant again or
more kids going to die. and, The

848
00:48:59,900 --> 00:49:04,600
old woman told her on one hand
in your future.

849
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:09,100
I see prison on the other hand.
I see an asylum.

850
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:15,100
And so Leonardo was like, well I
literally just left prison like

851
00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:17,500
three months ago, so maybe
that's what she's seeing.

852
00:49:18,300 --> 00:49:20,000
Why she's not seeing into a
past.

853
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,400
The idea of the Asylum.
Though was scary.

854
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,200
Because back, then asylums were
definitely just death sentence.

855
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,900
And yeah, you went in and you
never came out.

856
00:49:29,900 --> 00:49:33,400
Women's prisons had little
regulations but there was an end

857
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,500
to going to prison.
If you were insane, there was no

858
00:49:36,500 --> 00:49:38,700
cure, they'd lock you up and you
just rot away.

859
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:40,600
She paid the woman went home
though.

860
00:49:40,700 --> 00:49:47,900
No. she gave birth to a healthy
baby boy and she was very uneasy

861
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,900
She also gave birth to two more
little girls.

862
00:49:51,900 --> 00:50:00,300
Oh, She still love Don Giuseppe
hard but she was so ready for

863
00:50:00,300 --> 00:50:03,100
something bad to happen that she
just walked around in silence

864
00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:06,600
and it kind of freaked, her
husband out with her anxiety, On

865
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,900
The Rise, the seizures came
back, she was afraid to pick up

866
00:50:08,900 --> 00:50:12,700
the younger children.
What would happen is that she

867
00:50:12,700 --> 00:50:17,500
would like just kind of like
watch them and then Raphael will

868
00:50:17,500 --> 00:50:21,200
come home and then she would
like leave the house and walk

869
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,200
the area and visit my fortune
tellers.

870
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,800
You're stressing yourself out
the fortune, tellers, realize

871
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,800
she wanted gloom and doom.
So they kind of gave her what

872
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,800
she wanted.
Eventually, she started buying

873
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,300
her own books from them and
doing her own readings.

874
00:50:34,900 --> 00:50:38,700
And then summer came to us Dunya
and the this was a farming town.

875
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:43,500
And everybody went into the
fields to harvest, Rafael found

876
00:50:43,500 --> 00:50:47,000
himself alone in his office job
as 90% of the town was out

877
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,800
helping their families so he's
like, I guess I'll join

878
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,800
everybody in the field.
Only an artist friends.

879
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,000
Go to.
Hmm.

880
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,500
So Leonardo's like I guess I'll
go too.

881
00:51:00,300 --> 00:51:02,900
Like everybody was there with
their kids too.

882
00:51:03,500 --> 00:51:07,200
So it was just sort of this
really nice Vibe.

883
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,100
Okay.
Everybody's working in the hot

884
00:51:10,100 --> 00:51:13,700
sun having a good time.
The sun goes down, they have

885
00:51:13,700 --> 00:51:16,100
little party eat some of the
food.

886
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:21,900
She let herself relax, you know,
they would dance around the fire

887
00:51:21,900 --> 00:51:23,600
at night.
I'm not liking where this is

888
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,000
going.
This was like, the first time

889
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:33,300
Just had a Carefree moment.
So Raphael Leonardo just happy

890
00:51:33,300 --> 00:51:36,200
and the kids fall asleep with
their neighbors in the fields at

891
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:44,900
night, it's really nice.
Okay, July 23rd. 19:30.

892
00:51:46,700 --> 00:51:49,800
Leonardo wakes up, very
abruptly, she reaches out and

893
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:50,900
she doesn't really feel
anything.

894
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,500
Other people wake up to it was
like everybody had been shaken

895
00:51:54,500 --> 00:51:57,300
awake at once and they were like
are there ghosts.

896
00:51:57,300 --> 00:52:00,700
The wind was kind of weird.
They all relax as the wind died

897
00:52:00,700 --> 00:52:04,500
down and people were turned to
sleep but Leonardo couldn't.

898
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:10,800
This felt like that impending
doom that she was used to. so,

899
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:16,200
she laid with the babies and her
husband, and he went back to

900
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,000
sleep.
She just stared at the night,

901
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:22,100
sky for like the next hour.
An hour later.

902
00:52:22,100 --> 00:52:27,300
There's a tremor.
And she thinks that she's having

903
00:52:27,300 --> 00:52:30,400
a seizure because everything
shaking and she realizes that

904
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,500
everyone is shaking.
This was an earthquake.

905
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:39,600
And it's a real bad one.
The field, rips apart, tossing,

906
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,300
people around from the fields,
they can see their houses are

907
00:52:43,300 --> 00:52:46,200
falling apart as well.
She watched as her home

908
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,600
disappeared into the Earth, and
the river next to it, the whole

909
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,900
town crumbled, the few people,
in their homes, came running

910
00:52:52,900 --> 00:52:58,700
out, Stones fell on them.
This was known as the opinion

911
00:52:58,700 --> 00:53:02,500
earthquake of 1930 are Pena is
the area around IV know?

912
00:53:02,500 --> 00:53:04,800
That is part of the apennine
mountains.

913
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,200
The death toll of this
earthquake was pretty low, only

914
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,400
1,400 people died, but it was
incredibly destructive.

915
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:16,000
European seismic scale is in
Roman numerals and the one is,

916
00:53:16,300 --> 00:53:18,200
nobody felt it and nothing bad
happened.

917
00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:22,400
The worst one is 12, which is
that the ground is irreparably

918
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,900
damaged, and all of the
structures are gone.

919
00:53:26,300 --> 00:53:31,500
The opinion earthquake of 1930
was a 10 host. 70% of the town

920
00:53:31,500 --> 00:53:34,100
was destroyed when the
earthquake happened.

921
00:53:34,900 --> 00:53:37,600
So, what happened next was that
the town's folk who were in the

922
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,300
fields rushed to the building's
to try and save people because

923
00:53:41,300 --> 00:53:43,300
they could hear screaming people
were stuck inside.

924
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,700
The pair, the pants already
family did not move.

925
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,400
Leonardo was stuck.
She was terrified.

926
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:57,100
She was paralyzed.
And her husband couldn't take

927
00:53:57,100 --> 00:54:00,300
all these kids with him.
Several of them are like we got

928
00:54:00,300 --> 00:54:03,600
like a baby and two toddlers and
like an eight year old at this

929
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:10,900
point.
It's interesting that she thinks

930
00:54:10,900 --> 00:54:13,300
of her life as like this
horrible thing in this Doom

931
00:54:13,300 --> 00:54:16,700
because that fear she had that
made her stay in the middle of

932
00:54:16,700 --> 00:54:19,500
that.
Field is the reason why they

933
00:54:19,500 --> 00:54:24,600
probably all survived.
Oh, earthquake happened at 12:08

934
00:54:25,100 --> 00:54:29,000
there were 16 aftershocks over
the next 24 hours.

935
00:54:29,300 --> 00:54:31,800
The entire town is fucking
leveled.

936
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,800
The majority of those 1,400
deaths were off from IV know.

937
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,300
By the end of the 24-hour
period, every house was

938
00:54:41,300 --> 00:54:44,700
destroyed.
The government put up these like

939
00:54:44,700 --> 00:54:47,800
small temporary houses for
people but the government won't

940
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,300
even be able to fix that area
for another 40 years. 40.

941
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,900
Oh my goodness, become a town
again until the 70s.

942
00:54:54,900 --> 00:55:02,900
Wow, it's very beautiful.
I looked it up but long time.

943
00:55:02,900 --> 00:55:05,100
Okay, yeah, Leonardo was
devastated.

944
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,300
The little life that they had
been building for like the last

945
00:55:07,300 --> 00:55:12,200
eight months was over.
Little is known about the time

946
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,100
between avellino and coraggio,
but we do know that when they

947
00:55:15,100 --> 00:55:18,500
arrived family was Leonardo,
Raphael two little boys and two

948
00:55:18,500 --> 00:55:21,500
little girls of fourteen
pregnancies for survived.

949
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,900
When the up Ansari family
arrived, they were pretty much

950
00:55:24,900 --> 00:55:27,400
embraced by the community as
refugees from the earthquake

951
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:31,300
near Naples, people rush to help
them Raphael very quickly.

952
00:55:31,300 --> 00:55:33,400
Got another office job.
They were able to run a small

953
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,700
house in town, that was attached
to a general store.

954
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,900
This honestly wasn't the worst
place for them to be.

955
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,900
Be the children were all
well-liked and Leonardo was a

956
00:55:41,900 --> 00:55:44,100
little bit less intense with
watching the children because

957
00:55:44,100 --> 00:55:46,800
she kind of looked at it as like
we survived an earthquake.

958
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,400
What more can I Do by watching
them?

959
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:55,700
The Earth tried to eat us.
So she's like screw it, let him

960
00:55:55,700 --> 00:55:58,400
play in the dirt in the river.
She still wasn't emotionally all

961
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,700
there though the first few weeks
to months and coraggio.

962
00:56:02,900 --> 00:56:05,300
She found it very difficult to
do anything more than just stare

963
00:56:05,300 --> 00:56:07,900
in the distance like she would
just lay in bed all day long.

964
00:56:08,500 --> 00:56:10,800
The local women were pretty
empathetic, really nice that she

965
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:15,400
lost everything and like many
people who lose stuff like that.

966
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:16,800
You just don't feel safe
anymore.

967
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:18,600
Yeah.
Eventually, they'll encourage,

968
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,400
you know, she started to feel
like a human being This was very

969
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,800
new for her, she was going
through like proper emotions.

970
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:30,700
Here, she was angry at what she
lost.

971
00:56:30,700 --> 00:56:34,200
She was grieving for her dead
friends, happy that her family,

972
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,600
made it guilt that her family
needed, you know.

973
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,600
Yeah, feeling all the feelings
is really hard, but it's also

974
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:47,700
very good crash.
It was also the place where

975
00:56:47,700 --> 00:56:51,900
family found, real Financial
stability, they had savings.

976
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:57,800
Leonardo wondered if the curse
was over because he's lasted.

977
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,200
Oh, Nia had been destroyed by an
earthquake.

978
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,300
Yeah.
After those months of Silence,

979
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,800
she came out of her shell and
she wanted to apologize to

980
00:57:05,808 --> 00:57:08,000
people.
So she tried to be extra kind or

981
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,100
husband or children.
She went to the other ladies in

982
00:57:10,100 --> 00:57:14,200
town who are really nice to her
and those apologies kind of turn

983
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,000
into friendship and everybody
understood, she was gone through

984
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,400
something really awful, maybe
her friends didn't know just how

985
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,600
big of change she was going
through but doesn't matter.

986
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,600
I guess a lot of what we know
about this is from these

987
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,500
journals that she kept, which
were also evidence.

988
00:57:28,500 --> 00:57:30,900
But she also wrote poetry and
she was actually really good at

989
00:57:30,900 --> 00:57:33,400
it and people really liked it.
Cool.

990
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:35,900
Now, remember, I told you the
house was attached to a general

991
00:57:35,900 --> 00:57:37,500
store?
Yes, when they first moved

992
00:57:37,500 --> 00:57:39,100
there, they just locked it up
because they didn't want the

993
00:57:39,100 --> 00:57:42,200
kids to like get into it right.
One day, she decides to go

994
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,900
inside and get up.
It's been empty for years but it

995
00:57:44,908 --> 00:57:48,000
was honestly still in good
condition and she only needed a

996
00:57:48,008 --> 00:57:50,800
product and she remembered that
she knew how to make soap.

997
00:57:51,500 --> 00:57:55,600
So, she talks to her husband and
he gives his Blessing and he

998
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,800
buys the supplies for her along
with perfumes and oils that she

999
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,600
needs from like Big Town's
further away.

1000
00:58:02,300 --> 00:58:04,300
A few weeks later, the shop was
clean.

1001
00:58:04,500 --> 00:58:07,300
Giuseppe painted the shop sign
hung above the door.

1002
00:58:08,100 --> 00:58:11,000
She allows her family and a
couple of her friends to test

1003
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,200
her product.
And the rumors around town was

1004
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,100
that this was good.
No, this was better soap, and

1005
00:58:16,100 --> 00:58:19,300
you could buy from the store.
Woohoo, whole town shows up.

1006
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,400
It's a massive success.
She Getting requests from people

1007
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:26,400
all over Italy.
It's like a fairytale.

1008
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:30,500
This is a life that Amelia her
mother dreamed of and she had

1009
00:58:30,500 --> 00:58:32,600
never been allowed to dream in
herself.

1010
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,200
She would visit her friend.
She would make cakes her

1011
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,800
daughter would see her daughters
would help serve food, they

1012
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,800
would help at the shop.
The local women, then found out,

1013
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:43,800
you know how to do card
readings.

1014
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,500
Oh no.
So they started coming to her

1015
00:58:46,500 --> 00:58:50,500
house and getting readings.
She was actually really good at

1016
00:58:50,500 --> 00:58:55,600
it because when her Prophecies
came true.

1017
00:58:55,900 --> 00:58:59,400
People are like, Oh no, you're
the real thing exactly what you

1018
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:00,900
said was going to happen
happened.

1019
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,600
Oh no!
Dan!

1020
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,900
The Romani who also passed
through the area heard about

1021
00:59:05,900 --> 00:59:10,400
this too and they would come and
they would barter with her and

1022
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,600
exchange for the fancy soaps.
They would give her more and

1023
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,700
more like all books.
Oh nice.

1024
00:59:16,700 --> 00:59:20,900
She had this spiritualists
library in her house.

1025
00:59:20,900 --> 00:59:24,000
That's wrong that she loved.
And honestly, the only thing I

1026
00:59:24,008 --> 00:59:27,500
think she loved more than just
happy was her little study full

1027
00:59:27,500 --> 00:59:30,200
of Aqua books.
She actually started looking

1028
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,300
into European witchcraft
addition.

1029
00:59:32,300 --> 00:59:36,200
She learned about the Benedict
area estragon area, which are

1030
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,300
both traditional folk Magic from
Europe.

1031
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,400
She was very interested in being
able to control her feet.

1032
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,500
Her goal was to be what's called
a Fat Sweaty, a magical fixture,

1033
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,500
okay?
She learned Municipal ways to

1034
00:59:49,500 --> 00:59:52,500
take care of things for people.
So if a young woman found

1035
00:59:52,500 --> 00:59:57,100
herself with child, they would
finally in our data and go home

1036
00:59:57,100 --> 01:00:00,100
with a special herbal tea and
soon.

1037
01:00:00,100 --> 01:00:03,600
Not have a problem.
Not have a problem that problem

1038
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:04,700
was gone.
Okay, cool.

1039
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:05,900
Hmm.
Okay.

1040
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:08,500
Men in the village would
discreetly.

1041
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,600
At her for a potion to help with
their Vitality.

1042
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,800
It worked, he made things for
sickness.

1043
01:00:15,900 --> 01:00:20,200
Fertility luck.
Oh goodness.

1044
01:00:20,300 --> 01:00:22,400
You needed something to help you
out with that thing.

1045
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,100
You don't want to talk about,
I'm just look.

1046
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,900
Edie is a new is a common
problem.

1047
01:00:27,900 --> 01:00:35,100
It is also the first blue pill,
nothing to be ashamed about.

1048
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:39,100
He came up with the pill before
we had by a Agra.

1049
01:00:39,500 --> 01:00:41,800
She just got a little list of
holidays syrup.

1050
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:45,600
You'd be all right.
Oh my God.

1051
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,600
Okay.
So everything was going perfect

1052
01:00:49,100 --> 01:00:51,300
in her life.
They lived in coraggio for

1053
01:00:51,300 --> 01:00:57,000
almost a decade.
And then in 1939 World War Two

1054
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,400
Broke out and just that be
decided he wanted to be a

1055
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,500
soldier.
No, you do not.

1056
01:01:02,700 --> 01:01:06,000
It's not that he didn't love his
mother but the first half of his

1057
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,600
life she'd been very overbearing
overbearing and he wanted to

1058
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,800
leave coraggio without hurting
her feelings.

1059
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,800
He saw his mom is his really
emotional delicate woman and he

1060
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:17,500
knew he couldn't just leave the
house.

1061
01:01:17,900 --> 01:01:20,500
And by the way, he's a grown-ass
man.

1062
01:01:20,500 --> 01:01:23,900
At this time in his life you
still can Ain't go, no.

1063
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:26,500
He's in his 20s.
I don't care.

1064
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,500
So he's like if I enlist in the
military this will give me a

1065
01:01:32,500 --> 01:01:35,300
chance to see the world.
I'll get to leave and sure

1066
01:01:35,300 --> 01:01:37,900
she'll be upset, but she'll have
to understand.

1067
01:01:37,900 --> 01:01:40,600
I'm a man, I'm going to help my
country.

1068
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,600
He really ate up the propaganda
from Mussolini at the time, I

1069
01:01:44,607 --> 01:01:46,800
love it.
Gotta love it.

1070
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:51,700
And it's really interesting
because perhaps, if leonarda had

1071
01:01:51,700 --> 01:01:56,500
set Giuseppe up, when he was 18
with a lady, he would have a

1072
01:01:56,508 --> 01:02:00,000
wife and kids and he wouldn't
have wanted to leave for the But

1073
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,400
instead he didn't have anything
tethering him to cry.

1074
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,400
Gio hit.
His mom tells her and she was

1075
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,300
hanging to his leg.
No.

1076
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:11,200
He actually signed up without
telling her.

1077
01:02:12,900 --> 01:02:15,900
And what happens at the other
young men told like his friends

1078
01:02:15,900 --> 01:02:18,600
told their moms and everybody
was like, do you think she

1079
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:22,100
knows?
No, just that be at first he was

1080
01:02:22,100 --> 01:02:24,200
like, this will be fine and then
he was like, you know, I won't

1081
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,300
be fine.
I'm not gonna say anything and

1082
01:02:26,308 --> 01:02:28,300
he's kind of like walked around
for a couple days and he was

1083
01:02:28,300 --> 01:02:30,700
very worried.
He's like she's gonna find out.

1084
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,400
That's gonna be a problem.
So, Leonardo's 18, the market

1085
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,200
someone walks by and
congratulate her on her son's

1086
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:42,800
bravery No reaction.
She buys your groceries.

1087
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,200
Goes to the house.
Lays out.

1088
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,000
What she's going to use to make
dinner for later.

1089
01:02:47,500 --> 01:02:51,300
Goes into her study locks.
The door falls apart for a

1090
01:02:51,308 --> 01:02:55,200
little bit.
Like the problem is no women in

1091
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,200
Europe were unaware of the first
world war.

1092
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:00,800
And how many men, died and World
War one.

1093
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,700
Yeah, it destroyed a lot of
families.

1094
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:07,100
And while her family had been
spared because of the social

1095
01:03:07,100 --> 01:03:11,100
hierarchy and what was going on
at her, mother's status in town,

1096
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:15,600
she did see it happen to other
women and she also thought she

1097
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:17,900
said, he's a good kid but he's
not really a fighter.

1098
01:03:19,700 --> 01:03:22,600
She's like if he goes to where
he's coming back in a casket so

1099
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,700
she spent Out that she literally
spent hours that day and her

1100
01:03:25,700 --> 01:03:29,100
study.
Trying to figure out what she

1101
01:03:29,100 --> 01:03:31,200
knew.
How to do that could help him.

1102
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:36,400
Giuseppe comes home drunk, his
friends and take it into a bar.

1103
01:03:36,500 --> 01:03:40,200
Congratulations, you're going to
be a soldier, he walks in, and

1104
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:43,500
he sees that one, his dad and
siblings are gone and he's like,

1105
01:03:43,500 --> 01:03:46,700
okay, well maybe they went out
to eat but the Foods on the

1106
01:03:46,700 --> 01:03:50,100
table still and the house is
quiet.

1107
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:54,600
All he hears is upstairs.
Just scratching scratching.

1108
01:03:55,300 --> 01:03:57,000
He's like okay she's in her
study.

1109
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,100
He hears her talking to herself
flipping pages in books.

1110
01:04:01,100 --> 01:04:04,400
He's like She probably found
out, he's got to go upstairs and

1111
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:07,900
talk to her.
He opens the door, her backs to

1112
01:04:07,900 --> 01:04:10,100
the door.
She just pile of books on the

1113
01:04:10,100 --> 01:04:14,100
table.
She is pouring over her Library.

1114
01:04:14,700 --> 01:04:17,500
He's expecting yelling, but she
turns around smiles and it's

1115
01:04:17,500 --> 01:04:20,800
just like my beautiful boy.
They go downstairs to make a

1116
01:04:20,808 --> 01:04:24,900
little, you know, Rush meal It
wasn't like the kind of meals

1117
01:04:24,900 --> 01:04:27,600
though that she made when he was
little, she because we, she was

1118
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:28,600
on her, she would be so
stressed.

1119
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:31,600
She would forget to cook and so
they would have little rush

1120
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:33,600
meals then.
But this was different.

1121
01:04:34,300 --> 01:04:36,300
She spoke to her son.
Like they were equals.

1122
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,600
He wasn't a boy anymore.
She knew that she very calmly.

1123
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:43,000
Talk to him about his options.
Can you leave town to join the

1124
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:44,700
Army?
He's like, I don't wanna do

1125
01:04:44,700 --> 01:04:46,700
that.
You could you withdraw your

1126
01:04:46,700 --> 01:04:49,300
consent?
I cannot withdraw my consent.

1127
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:53,400
At the end, she still very calm,
just had these kind of shocked.

1128
01:04:54,300 --> 01:04:58,200
He didn't realize that she is
making her own plan to deal with

1129
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:04,400
us and she's actually Looking
into some real dark stuff, she

1130
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,200
decided already she was going to
use death math and death magic

1131
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:10,800
to save her son and she's going
to send him off with a war to

1132
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,300
protect him as well.
Unfortunately, the Cornerstone

1133
01:05:13,300 --> 01:05:15,800
of a lot of death magic is that?
There must be a sacrifice.

1134
01:05:16,100 --> 01:05:19,300
Yeah, unfortunately she doesn't
realize that the sacrifice

1135
01:05:19,300 --> 01:05:22,800
normally needs to be equal in
value, but we're going to get to

1136
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:24,900
that part of that actually see
it first.

1137
01:05:24,900 --> 01:05:28,000
She just thought, maybe I can
just give him a ward, but she's

1138
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,800
like, the problem with that is
on a battlefield, it be Very

1139
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:33,900
easy for him to be separated
from his stuff.

1140
01:05:34,100 --> 01:05:36,900
So it won't protect him.
So she says, I definitely have

1141
01:05:36,900 --> 01:05:38,700
to kill somebody to make sure
that the spirits will be

1142
01:05:38,700 --> 01:05:43,600
appeased and my boy won't die.
So she's like, well I want to

1143
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:45,700
make sure that the death is
painless and fast.

1144
01:05:45,700 --> 01:05:49,100
I don't want to hurt somebody.
She did briefly think of the

1145
01:05:49,100 --> 01:05:52,400
idea of just giving the dropped
like a death drop to somebody in

1146
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:55,600
town with their other medicine
that they buy from her and be

1147
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,200
like, oh no.
But that would just be a body

1148
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,800
and that wasn't she didn't think
that was going to be a good way

1149
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:06,400
of doing this.
So notice first victim was named

1150
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:09,700
faustina seti.
That's Tina was older.

1151
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:15,900
She never been married, which as
I mentioned to you before is a

1152
01:06:15,900 --> 01:06:20,200
downside, listen, we still call
people spinsters today, Brian.

1153
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,200
And this is, do not a hundred
years ago.

1154
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,000
Yes.
So you don't know, people be

1155
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:30,200
like, you're 35, you don't ya
married, you doing the cats, you

1156
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:34,800
know how people are dispenser?
That was fuss, Tina.

1157
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:39,200
And so, She came to Leonardo
because she was, like, listen,

1158
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:45,100
can you find me a husband?
She told Leonardo, she was still

1159
01:06:45,100 --> 01:06:48,300
a virgin.
She had never done anything.

1160
01:06:48,300 --> 01:06:50,400
She's like, I'm still of
marriageable quality.

1161
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:54,800
The Unites like bet virgin
sacrifice my God.

1162
01:06:55,100 --> 01:06:58,300
So pure.
So Leonardo tells her.

1163
01:06:58,300 --> 01:07:01,100
She found a man in the City of
Palo but you can't tell anybody

1164
01:07:01,100 --> 01:07:03,900
yet.
She encouraged faustina to write

1165
01:07:03,900 --> 01:07:07,000
letters to her family and
friends and mail them.

1166
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:15,600
Once she left town so faustina's
like okay and she Has one final

1167
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:22,100
meeting.
With Leonardo at her shop that

1168
01:07:22,100 --> 01:07:26,000
is when Leonardo kilter.
She gave her a drink, it wasn't

1169
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:30,700
the best Saturday of because she
was apparently still awake and

1170
01:07:30,700 --> 01:07:33,900
also, the United realize that
killing someone with an ax is

1171
01:07:33,900 --> 01:07:37,300
not easy.
Her first murder was brutal.

1172
01:07:38,100 --> 01:07:40,500
She just was hidden all over the
place.

1173
01:07:40,500 --> 01:07:42,000
Yeah.
You gotta just messing

1174
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,600
everything up.
No, no skill at all here.

1175
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:48,900
Never precise.
Oh, those took a lot of hits,

1176
01:07:49,500 --> 01:07:53,500
the axe was very hard to use.
She ended up cutting the body

1177
01:07:53,500 --> 01:07:58,200
into pieces further hanging,
those on her herb drying rack

1178
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:05,600
and then massaging the blood out
into the little trays, those

1179
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:09,900
trays, she put in the oven,
which he had kept hot the blood

1180
01:08:09,900 --> 01:08:12,500
so that the blood would dry and
become a powder, so she could

1181
01:08:12,500 --> 01:08:16,500
use it.
She put the rest of faustina in

1182
01:08:16,500 --> 01:08:21,399
a very caustic soap, to dissolve
her using the same pots.

1183
01:08:21,399 --> 01:08:23,200
She used for her family's
cooking.

1184
01:08:23,300 --> 01:08:26,800
Oh, I don't think our family
cared when she was making soap

1185
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:32,500
in those pots because you know,
it was only soap.

1186
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:34,899
Yeah just so you know it's just
going to make it more clean you

1187
01:08:34,899 --> 01:08:36,200
know?
Yeah of course.

1188
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:43,800
Well After while she's like, you
know, this is just a normal soap

1189
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,300
and Tea cake making day.
I do this once a week, anyway.

1190
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:50,399
The body grinder down the fat,
but when she pulled off the lid,

1191
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:52,800
she said it was like a horrible
nasty.

1192
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:55,500
Brown color.
The blood Trace came out.

1193
01:08:55,500 --> 01:08:59,200
Really good though.
And she added the blood Trace to

1194
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:04,300
a bowl of flour sugar eggs.
Just happy with need to eat

1195
01:09:04,300 --> 01:09:08,500
these to take in faustina's
essence, so that they had to be

1196
01:09:08,500 --> 01:09:09,800
good.
So she add a little extra

1197
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:11,300
vanilla.
Did you notice you can

1198
01:09:11,300 --> 01:09:15,800
substitute blood for eggs?
I knew you knew that talked

1199
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:17,500
about that.
That's on you.

1200
01:09:17,500 --> 01:09:19,600
I'd take that.
I just love.

1201
01:09:20,300 --> 01:09:23,600
That's a thing.
Well.

1202
01:09:25,100 --> 01:09:26,600
She couldn't do anything with
the brown.

1203
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:28,600
Go.
It's not supposed to be brown.

1204
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:36,600
Hmm, so she takes it and dumps
it in to the septic pits.

1205
01:09:37,700 --> 01:09:39,500
She said, this, this isn't going
to be a good soap.

1206
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:43,200
She had wasted faustina's death,
she's going to have to do this

1207
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:47,200
again.
The murder had big kind of

1208
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:52,800
traumatic for her honestly.
People who got the letters were

1209
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:54,900
pretty excited.
Fussy defend a man.

1210
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:58,900
Nice, she sold the tea cakes.
No one said anything about them?

1211
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,300
She had perfected those, but she
needed a new person to complete

1212
01:10:02,300 --> 01:10:06,100
this ritual.
August of 1940s.

1213
01:10:06,100 --> 01:10:10,300
Three months before Giuseppe is
set to go to war Leonardo's,

1214
01:10:10,300 --> 01:10:11,700
like, okay, I gotta do this
again.

1215
01:10:12,300 --> 01:10:16,700
Our next victim is Francesca's
Salva, the school teacher and

1216
01:10:16,700 --> 01:10:19,300
Widow who had retired.
She was a little younger than

1217
01:10:19,300 --> 01:10:22,000
Leonardo, but had no children
and no one to worry about her.

1218
01:10:22,500 --> 01:10:25,100
She's well-liked in town and she
came to Leonardo, wanting to

1219
01:10:25,100 --> 01:10:28,300
know her Fortune.
Leonardo told her that she would

1220
01:10:28,300 --> 01:10:32,400
find success and happiness and
going back to work, I'll even

1221
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:37,000
help you find a good job soon.
After Leonardo tells her that

1222
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:40,500
she found her job at this Elite
girls school and Pia chenza

1223
01:10:40,500 --> 01:10:43,200
almost it's like on the edge of
Italy near Switzerland.

1224
01:10:44,700 --> 01:10:46,800
Switzerland.
As you know, Posh it's the

1225
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:50,900
Pinnacle of music and art and
all sorts of awesome stuff.

1226
01:10:50,900 --> 01:10:54,300
Fantastic.
She's like, I used my

1227
01:10:54,300 --> 01:10:57,500
connections, you know, I know
some more, you know, wealthy

1228
01:10:57,500 --> 01:11:02,200
people and people did know that
she did have high society

1229
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:05,900
clients.
So Francesca believed her and

1230
01:11:05,900 --> 01:11:09,900
September of 1940.
After a month of faked postcards

1231
01:11:09,900 --> 01:11:12,600
and lies, Francesca was ready to
leave.

1232
01:11:12,900 --> 01:11:15,000
She accepted a drink from
Leonardo, the morning of her

1233
01:11:15,008 --> 01:11:18,400
departure.
This time, she was better with

1234
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:21,400
the axe.
She didn't Swig all willy-nilly.

1235
01:11:22,100 --> 01:11:25,200
She actually laid out basins to
collect all the blood because

1236
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:29,400
before she had really had to
clean the kitchen, she did

1237
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:32,700
everything the same, and she
still got the same result.

1238
01:11:33,300 --> 01:11:37,200
It was all unusable, and she was
so mad that she went to actually

1239
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:41,500
take the, the pan and throw it.
And she grabbed it, and it was

1240
01:11:41,900 --> 01:11:45,000
burning hot.
She burned both of her hands.

1241
01:11:46,300 --> 01:11:50,800
And she had to wait for just
happy to come home and take the

1242
01:11:50,900 --> 01:11:56,800
to the septic thing and dump it.
Now Giuseppe's like This is

1243
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,100
weird.
Cardi B.

1244
01:11:59,300 --> 01:12:04,300
You know, that's weird.
He's like, is she gonna unravel

1245
01:12:04,300 --> 01:12:06,100
again?
I'm getting closer to leaving,

1246
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:11,000
then he thinks Maybe she
purposefully hurt herself to try

1247
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:14,400
and get me to stay.
She's like no, no no, it's just

1248
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:16,000
an accident.
I wasn't thinking.

1249
01:12:17,700 --> 01:12:20,600
We had rather decides the
problem with the second batch

1250
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:24,300
was that her intent was wrong,
she did a better job, but she

1251
01:12:24,300 --> 01:12:26,700
just intention magic is
intention.

1252
01:12:26,700 --> 01:12:32,400
Who's was true?
It gets very close to his

1253
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:37,400
departure date.
Her file victim is Virginia.

1254
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:41,300
Now, I can't see this girl's
name, I think it's Chapo.

1255
01:12:42,700 --> 01:12:47,500
A former soprano and opera
singer who is beloved by the

1256
01:12:47,500 --> 01:12:51,900
town and even though she was a
celebrity, she was very kind.

1257
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:55,600
They were friends who had bonded
over creativity and music and

1258
01:12:55,600 --> 01:13:03,700
poetry. one day, Virginia came
to Leonardo and said leonarda

1259
01:13:04,100 --> 01:13:09,100
and said, I'm going to leave And
at first they not, I was hurt.

1260
01:13:09,100 --> 01:13:10,300
She's just like you just gonna
leave.

1261
01:13:10,300 --> 01:13:14,100
We friends fan you just dip it
but then she was just like, wait

1262
01:13:14,100 --> 01:13:19,400
I can use this to my advantage.
Virginia, just wanted to leave

1263
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:21,400
and see the world.
She'd been living with her

1264
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:22,900
brother and his wife wrote a
while.

1265
01:13:22,900 --> 01:13:24,600
And I think she was tired of
being a third wheel.

1266
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:32,100
But Leonardo convinced her to
Let me she's like let me try and

1267
01:13:32,100 --> 01:13:35,000
set something up for you so you
don't just like walk into the

1268
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:40,500
Wilderness by herself.
Her thought was since Virginia

1269
01:13:40,500 --> 01:13:43,300
was remarkable and so it was
just happy.

1270
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,900
She had maybe failed before
because the sacrifices just

1271
01:13:46,900 --> 01:13:50,200
weren't equal.
They were both younger in their

1272
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:56,000
20s.
She convinced Virginia, she was

1273
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:59,400
like listen, don't tell your
brother yet I found a job for

1274
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:05,200
you but the person who it's with
very wealthy Elite person, not

1275
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:07,400
going to give a whole lot of
details over the next couple of

1276
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:13,200
like months Virginia.
Kind of pulls the story out of

1277
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:14,900
her.
So her family doesn't know a

1278
01:14:14,900 --> 01:14:17,900
little bit.
Finally she finds out you're

1279
01:14:17,900 --> 01:14:21,000
going to be managing the Affairs
of a very wealthy man, in the

1280
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:24,000
South and a pretty big city.
It pays super good gonna be

1281
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,800
working for an impresario, which
is a finance person who gives

1282
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:31,400
money to the Arts and only are
you going to be managing his his

1283
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:34,800
Private Affairs but also helping
with the business and she said

1284
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:37,400
that he she told Virginia he's
interested in you because he

1285
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:40,200
knows that you were a famous
singer and perhaps, maybe you

1286
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:42,500
could perform At his business,
as well.

1287
01:14:44,100 --> 01:14:49,300
Virginia is very Enticed by the
mystery of it all.

1288
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:53,100
She goes, He Lives just outside
of Florence.

1289
01:14:53,300 --> 01:14:56,000
You're going to have an
apartment in Florence going to

1290
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:59,500
be right in the middle of all of
the, the, the amazing stuff

1291
01:14:59,500 --> 01:15:01,300
going on in Florence, Florence.
Italy.

1292
01:15:01,300 --> 01:15:05,000
Is one of the most it's a
cultural like center, right?

1293
01:15:05,100 --> 01:15:07,700
This is exactly the place of the
woman in her like mid to late

1294
01:15:07,700 --> 01:15:11,100
20s who's trying to see the
world and have an exciting

1295
01:15:11,100 --> 01:15:15,000
adventure with want to go.
She says goodbye to her brother,

1296
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:18,800
September 30th 1942, she thanks
him for letting him live there.

1297
01:15:19,300 --> 01:15:21,800
Her sister-in-law was out so she
couldn't say goodbye.

1298
01:15:22,100 --> 01:15:24,200
She shows she showed up to
Leonardo's but later than

1299
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:28,200
normal, normally the women
showed up early but our girl

1300
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:33,600
Virginia showed up afternoon.
Wearing Furs and jewelry.

1301
01:15:33,700 --> 01:15:35,700
She's a, I'm ready.
Gosh.

1302
01:15:35,700 --> 01:15:39,500
He's always downplayed look
because she didn't want to make

1303
01:15:39,500 --> 01:15:42,100
people in town like feel crappy.
Yeah.

1304
01:15:42,100 --> 01:15:44,900
But here she was like, doesn't
matter because I'm leaving so

1305
01:15:44,900 --> 01:15:54,300
today when I leave, drip the
drill so, you know, to come to

1306
01:15:54,300 --> 01:15:56,600
the door and it's pretty
surprised that you sit in her

1307
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:58,700
kitchen.
They have a chat, Leonardo has

1308
01:15:58,700 --> 01:16:05,500
to beg her To drink the potion
because like Virginia's, like,

1309
01:16:05,500 --> 01:16:08,700
listen, I'm not trying to be
drunk while head out and finally

1310
01:16:08,700 --> 01:16:11,800
she's just like if it matters
this much to you I will drink

1311
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:15,200
it.
Of course it does because I'm

1312
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:18,800
gonna kill you Leonardo.
Actually, she couldn't bear to

1313
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,200
destroy the clothing so she took
it off of her.

1314
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,800
She focused her intent, she went
through the motions again.

1315
01:16:25,100 --> 01:16:28,700
She took Virginia's perfume out
of her trunk poured it into the

1316
01:16:28,700 --> 01:16:32,800
Vets, she made the tea cakes,
She said this time like before

1317
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,500
the tea cakes taste a little
irony because of the blood.

1318
01:16:35,500 --> 01:16:36,500
Yes.
This time.

1319
01:16:36,500 --> 01:16:39,400
They were pretty sweet.
Oh, we're closed.

1320
01:16:40,500 --> 01:16:45,800
Also unlike the women before
when she opened the that of

1321
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:51,800
rendered, fat, bones and hair,
it was white and it was a creamy

1322
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:57,100
consistency.
Interesting, there was one final

1323
01:16:57,100 --> 01:17:00,900
ingredient that was added which
was the fact that Leonardo cries

1324
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:05,800
I'd over killing her friend and
decided like this is just my

1325
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:08,000
burden that I will have to bear
that.

1326
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:11,100
I killed somebody that I care
for for the sake of my son.

1327
01:17:11,100 --> 01:17:14,500
You poor thing, you poor
murderer, she prepared the Soaps

1328
01:17:14,500 --> 01:17:16,400
and then she had all of the
crime.

1329
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:21,500
So she needs just happy to eat
the tea cakes and bathes with

1330
01:17:21,500 --> 01:17:24,400
his soap to protect him, both
internally and externally.

1331
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:29,400
He comes home.
And she's just like You're

1332
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:31,800
leaving soon, I have to bathe
you.

1333
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:38,100
Giuseppe is not okay with this.
She forces it, she legitimately

1334
01:17:38,100 --> 01:17:41,400
takes him into the bathroom.
He's naked in the tub.

1335
01:17:41,500 --> 01:17:46,000
She washes every part of his
body, including the sensitive

1336
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,100
parts.
He's very uncomfortable about

1337
01:17:48,100 --> 01:17:48,800
this.
Yes.

1338
01:17:51,300 --> 01:17:55,100
He was super weirded out.
Then they go downstairs.

1339
01:17:55,100 --> 01:17:59,300
He sit in the kitchen and towel.
And he's like, why do I, why do

1340
01:17:59,300 --> 01:18:00,900
I need to eat this.
And she's like, you have to eat

1341
01:18:00,900 --> 01:18:04,400
this and she pretty much like
hand feeds him.

1342
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,500
The stupid tea.
Cakes is this?

1343
01:18:06,500 --> 01:18:10,700
Just like the single worst thing
to happen to this young man?

1344
01:18:12,500 --> 01:18:15,700
She's very satisfied.
She's like bet I did it.

1345
01:18:15,700 --> 01:18:19,400
The spell is complete.
Yes, Giuseppe, avoids, his mom

1346
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:25,000
from this moment on.
Oh, he's very freaked out.

1347
01:18:25,100 --> 01:18:27,100
She's like, doesn't matter.
I protected him.

1348
01:18:28,300 --> 01:18:30,200
People of town ate the rest of
the tea cakes.

1349
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:33,600
They bought up all the Soaps
now.

1350
01:18:34,300 --> 01:18:36,700
Well, the first woman died,
there's a rumor that she

1351
01:18:36,700 --> 01:18:44,200
collected roughly 30,000 liar.
I'll explain the conversion rate

1352
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:46,500
for this money.
A little bit sweet.

1353
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:54,400
Second woman had about 3,000,
Virginia had 50,000 so who she

1354
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:57,300
felt guilty for keeping the
money and she actually didn't

1355
01:18:57,300 --> 01:19:00,000
spend it right away which was a
good thing because people would

1356
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:04,100
have known something was off.
From afar Giuseppe watched his

1357
01:19:04,100 --> 01:19:06,800
mother.
He was like she's strangely calm

1358
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,500
and although she looks sad he
didn't see the terror in her

1359
01:19:10,500 --> 01:19:12,800
eyes anymore.
Like he saw when she was a kid

1360
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:16,200
and he took that as a sign of
acceptance.

1361
01:19:16,300 --> 01:19:17,800
Hmm.
And he got ready to leave.

1362
01:19:18,500 --> 01:19:21,200
Now the letters that Leonardo
had her victim said her family's

1363
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:24,900
helped at first but as months
pass and no one heard anything

1364
01:19:24,900 --> 01:19:28,800
from them.
People got worried Virginia's

1365
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:32,300
family, kicked up a fuss.
Specifically her sister In-law

1366
01:19:33,100 --> 01:19:36,400
had she met this mystery man?
Who knew anything about this?

1367
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:39,000
Her sister-in-law starts her own
investigation.

1368
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:42,300
No one has any idea.
What?

1369
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:48,000
Mrs. Chapo was even talking
about, but her like, listen.

1370
01:19:49,500 --> 01:19:54,300
Leonardo's real good with the,
you know, the Soaps in this

1371
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,100
magic, you should ask her.
Maybe she knows what happened.

1372
01:19:57,200 --> 01:19:58,600
Oh, yeah.
I'm pretty sure.

1373
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:02,200
She'll be happy to help you.
So mrs.

1374
01:20:02,300 --> 01:20:05,300
Mrs. Chapo arrives.
At Leonardo's door and Leonardo

1375
01:20:05,300 --> 01:20:07,000
hands.
Her a cup of coffee holds her

1376
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:09,500
hands in and it's like, I knew
you were coming.

1377
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:15,800
I'm sure you did.
Chapo is skeptical.

1378
01:20:17,100 --> 01:20:22,200
When cacioppo asks about
Virginia, Leonardo apologizes

1379
01:20:22,300 --> 01:20:25,200
and says, I can't tell you
anything more than you already

1380
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:27,800
know.
She said, Virginia told me about

1381
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:31,300
the trip and that was it.
And then Leonardo actually like

1382
01:20:31,300 --> 01:20:34,400
starts crying and she's like,
no, no, it's just because I miss

1383
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:38,300
my friend don't worry about it.
Mrs. Cacioppo is suspicious.

1384
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,300
Why is she misses her friends,
she can't cry because of that.

1385
01:20:41,300 --> 01:20:43,500
Well, she speaks to Leonardo's
neighbors.

1386
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:46,200
And they were like, you know
what, we did, see her, we saw

1387
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:49,900
Virginia and her fancy clothes,
she was here.

1388
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:52,800
And you know what?
We never saw a taxi.

1389
01:20:53,500 --> 01:20:55,800
I don't remember seeing her even
leave.

1390
01:20:56,600 --> 01:21:03,000
So now already Chapo had already
been to the police and the local

1391
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:06,300
PD were like lady.
Your niece.

1392
01:21:06,300 --> 01:21:10,500
In law was like, a really famous
singer who went to Florence to

1393
01:21:10,500 --> 01:21:15,900
go be a famous singer again.
So, she's like, no, no, no.

1394
01:21:16,100 --> 01:21:19,000
And she goes over their head to
the superintendent of the entire

1395
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:22,700
province.
The superintendent is like, this

1396
01:21:22,700 --> 01:21:24,800
is interesting.
We're gonna look into it, very

1397
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:26,000
quickly.
They discovered, there are

1398
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:29,300
several women who went missing,
who all visited Leonardo before

1399
01:21:29,300 --> 01:21:33,000
she disappeared, she was brought
in for questioning.

1400
01:21:33,700 --> 01:21:36,000
She gave them nothing at this
point.

1401
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:40,700
She wasn't very good at lying.
You have to be considering what

1402
01:21:40,700 --> 01:21:42,600
she was doing with the
fortune-telling.

1403
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:44,700
This is true, she was not
gifted.

1404
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:47,000
She just knew how to get
information out of people and

1405
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:50,000
had a lie.
But had a lie in a way that they

1406
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:55,500
believed.
She told them, sure, I advise

1407
01:21:55,500 --> 01:21:58,300
all these women with my card
reading, but I haven't heard

1408
01:21:58,300 --> 01:22:02,200
from any of them in a really
long time, Italy has some pretty

1409
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:05,400
intense rules around search and
seizure and they didn't have

1410
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:08,900
enough evidence to go into Le
Nardo's home.

1411
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:13,600
So instead they looked into the
letters, And that is where kind

1412
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:18,100
of a fatal flaw happen.
Lonardo didn't go to the other

1413
01:22:18,100 --> 01:22:22,000
cities.
She had Giuseppe go and drop off

1414
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:24,100
the packages.
Those ladders.

1415
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:30,300
And the police are like, well,
all this money was taken from

1416
01:22:30,300 --> 01:22:35,000
these women.
He's about to leave town and go

1417
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:37,700
to war.
He killed them to start a new

1418
01:22:37,700 --> 01:22:42,800
life for himself.
They take Giuseppe and he has no

1419
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:44,900
idea what they are talking
about.

1420
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:47,900
He had not, he the only woman
he's even seen was Virginia

1421
01:22:47,900 --> 01:22:49,600
because she was famous.
Yeah.

1422
01:22:50,100 --> 01:22:54,900
A couple hours later, Leonardo
shows up at the police station,

1423
01:22:54,900 --> 01:22:57,500
banging on the door, she's like
I did it.

1424
01:22:57,500 --> 01:22:59,900
It was me we mustn't.
Go please.

1425
01:22:59,900 --> 01:23:02,700
Yep.
They like, come on lady.

1426
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:07,100
You're just trying to save your
son, but then she describes the

1427
01:23:07,100 --> 01:23:10,200
murder in some real intense
details, and I'm going to read

1428
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:12,900
you a couple of these quote,
that let's go.

1429
01:23:12,900 --> 01:23:14,800
She said, I threw the pieces
into a pot.

1430
01:23:15,300 --> 01:23:19,000
Added seven, kilos of caustic
soda, which is sodium hydroxide,

1431
01:23:19,300 --> 01:23:21,100
which I had bought.
To make soap and stir the

1432
01:23:21,100 --> 01:23:23,300
mixture until the pieces
dissolved into a thick, dark

1433
01:23:23,300 --> 01:23:24,900
mush.
But I poured into several

1434
01:23:24,900 --> 01:23:27,900
buckets and a, in a nearby
septic tank ask for the blood in

1435
01:23:27,900 --> 01:23:30,000
the Basin.
I waited until a coagulated

1436
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:32,700
dried it in the oven grounded
and mix it with flour.

1437
01:23:32,700 --> 01:23:34,700
Sugar, chocolate, milk, and
eggs, as well as a bit of

1438
01:23:34,700 --> 01:23:36,600
margarine.
Needing all the ingredients

1439
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:38,600
together.
I made lots of crunchy tea cakes

1440
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:40,400
and serve them.
To the ladies who came to visit

1441
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:45,500
Giuseppe and I also ate them.
Yeah, then of Virginia.

1442
01:23:45,500 --> 01:23:47,200
She says she ended up in the
pot.

1443
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:51,400
Just like the other two her
flesh was fat and It had melted,

1444
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:54,600
I added a bottle of cologne and
after a long time on the boil, I

1445
01:23:54,608 --> 01:23:57,400
was able to make some of the
most acceptable, creamy soap.

1446
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:00,300
I gave bars to the neighbors and
acquaintances.

1447
01:24:00,500 --> 01:24:04,100
The takes two were better.
That woman was really sweet.

1448
01:24:06,300 --> 01:24:10,700
So creepy now across three
women, she had stolen about

1449
01:24:10,700 --> 01:24:13,200
83,000 wire which is about
ninety.

1450
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:16,600
Eight hundred US dollars in 1940
which is about a hundred

1451
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:18,800
eighty-one thousand dollars
right now.

1452
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:22,800
A lot of money.
Not bad.

1453
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:26,300
No, as this is happening.
Giuseppe still in the room?

1454
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:31,400
He turns.
White starts vomiting in the

1455
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:34,500
police station.
And he now realizes what she's

1456
01:24:34,500 --> 01:24:36,700
been up to for the last nine
months and he told the police

1457
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:41,600
she has an entire study devoted
to Witchcraft lonardo was very

1458
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:43,200
Frank.
She's like, yeah, I did this to

1459
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:46,900
protect him and the police were
sympathetic at first because

1460
01:24:46,900 --> 01:24:48,600
they're like, oh, she's just
trying to help her son.

1461
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:51,300
They were kind of scared by the
end of the interview.

1462
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:55,200
See why the pain?
Sorry, children and Rafael are

1463
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:58,400
shunned immediately, the soap
business dead.

1464
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:02,200
Stolen money gone and the
children actually, leave

1465
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:05,400
coraggio before she even goes to
trial.

1466
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:09,400
Wow, Giuseppe was happy to leave
and go to the military.

1467
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:11,200
He even stopped by the jail to
visit her.

1468
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:14,600
Oh he'd already been.
He was already really upset

1469
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:16,300
about the bath situation.
You okay.

1470
01:25:16,300 --> 01:25:19,900
Yes, I so adding the back and
you ate me.

1471
01:25:19,900 --> 01:25:23,100
You made me.
Eat people he's done.

1472
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:27,400
This relationship is dead.
Oh work.

1473
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:30,700
She's done for check.
Him six years later goes to

1474
01:25:30,700 --> 01:25:34,200
trial.
And court, she identifies the

1475
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:36,900
axe, the basins, the pot.
She used for a crime.

1476
01:25:37,100 --> 01:25:41,600
She's very like poignant about
correcting, the prosecutor on

1477
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,900
things he has wrong about what
she actually did.

1478
01:25:44,900 --> 01:25:47,500
She's very much lapping up this
attention.

1479
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:54,400
She tells the judge that she had
to give up some of the items

1480
01:25:54,700 --> 01:25:58,100
because during the war they
needed metal.

1481
01:25:58,100 --> 01:26:00,600
So she had to give a ball of her
ladles and things that she used.

1482
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:02,800
So they're not there.
Oh, right right.

1483
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:06,800
Of course she narrates.
These crimes in detail on the

1484
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:08,700
stand in front of the victims
families.

1485
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:14,000
She's making crash jokes.
She's cackling That's all day.

1486
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:17,600
One day two and three though,
things get a little harder for

1487
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:18,900
a, she gets a little bit more
emotional.

1488
01:26:18,900 --> 01:26:22,900
She starts kind of unraveling in
front of everybody and expert

1489
01:26:22,900 --> 01:26:27,600
comes in and it's like listen
it's there's no way she can do

1490
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:32,000
what she said she did best
bodies, don't degrade like that

1491
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:36,600
and only a day.
She gets up and she starts

1492
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:40,000
yelling at him.
You bring me a body, I'll do it

1493
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:43,700
right now.
Anybody young or old?

1494
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:46,500
They end up having to drag her
out of the room as she's

1495
01:26:46,500 --> 01:26:49,400
screaming at him because he
dared tell her that she couldn't

1496
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:53,400
actually do it.
Oh my God and it is true though

1497
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:56,300
because if anybody was the
expert on how to do what she did

1498
01:26:56,300 --> 01:26:57,800
it was her.
Yes it's true.

1499
01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:00,700
Yeah, how dare you were doubting
her?

1500
01:27:02,100 --> 01:27:04,800
She's convicted after only three
days, she's given 30 years in

1501
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:06,500
prison and three years in an
asylum.

1502
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:11,500
The court could tell from how
she spoke that she was real

1503
01:27:11,500 --> 01:27:13,700
unwell, and definitely
psychotic.

1504
01:27:14,300 --> 01:27:17,900
And the Romani woman had been
right on one hand, prison the

1505
01:27:17,900 --> 01:27:22,600
other and Asylum, she'll bows.
She spent the next 24 years at

1506
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:26,600
pizzoli prison, she was rather
popular after six years of the

1507
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:29,500
investigation and that rather
explosive testimony.

1508
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:34,300
Even though she went to jail for
boiling women into soap.

1509
01:27:34,700 --> 01:27:38,400
They are like, gotta give her a
job and she's Good in the

1510
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:42,200
kitchen.
So, she worked as a cook.

1511
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:47,000
Okay, cool, cool.
Well, all of the inmates were

1512
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:48,700
like bet.
This is awesome.

1513
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:52,800
The desserts are great and
Leonardo's like you, hey guard,

1514
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:56,000
you can have some and not a.
One of them wanted to taste

1515
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:57,600
anything.
She made.

1516
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:00,200
What?
What right there?

1517
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:09,700
Oh my God, I'm pretty sure they
tasted delicious. so, She very

1518
01:28:09,700 --> 01:28:11,400
much like all the attention she
got.

1519
01:28:13,700 --> 01:28:16,200
Psychiatrist came interviewed
her for books.

1520
01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:18,500
She wrote her own book.
It's called the confessions of

1521
01:28:18,500 --> 01:28:21,900
an embittered soul.
I could not find the whole thing

1522
01:28:21,900 --> 01:28:24,800
translated into English, but I
did find it, okay?

1523
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:28,200
A lot of it matches, the story
that I told you today, but I

1524
01:28:28,208 --> 01:28:29,500
told you she took some
Liberties.

1525
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:31,700
Mmm.
She said she was using sex,

1526
01:28:31,700 --> 01:28:33,500
magic.
She was seducing, man.

1527
01:28:33,500 --> 01:28:39,400
She slept with all of her
friends, husbands I mean, Sex,

1528
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:44,400
Magic is a thing.
It's a thing in the thing.

1529
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:48,200
She even said she had a lover in
prison, but I'm also not sure I

1530
01:28:48,208 --> 01:28:51,500
believe that one either because
the guards were actually

1531
01:28:51,500 --> 01:28:54,300
terrified of her.
They wouldn't eat anything from

1532
01:28:54,300 --> 01:28:55,700
her.
I don't think they were willing

1533
01:28:55,700 --> 01:29:02,000
to dip their toe in that.
Well, also fun facts.

1534
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:06,800
The book also includes recipes
oh, including the cannibal Tea

1535
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:09,400
cake recipe.
It is totally in there.

1536
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:14,400
I may need to get this book
twenty years into her sentence.

1537
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:17,000
She as a minor stroke or what
they think is a stroke.

1538
01:29:20,500 --> 01:29:23,400
The doctors keep like what
happens if she keeps having

1539
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:25,600
these weird moments?
It seemed like Strokes can't

1540
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:26,400
figure it out.
Why?

1541
01:29:28,700 --> 01:29:31,800
They realize she has a brain
bleed, but they also don't

1542
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:37,200
understand where that came from.
And then they were like, they

1543
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:40,300
looked into the process of what
she did to the victims.

1544
01:29:41,900 --> 01:29:46,200
She was poisoned by the caustic
soda Vapors when she was

1545
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:50,200
rendering the fat of the people
because when it's a small amount

1546
01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:52,600
of fat, it wasn't nearly the
same amount.

1547
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:56,300
But imagine trying to that was a
lot of pans.

1548
01:29:56,300 --> 01:29:59,300
There was a lot of that vapor
and she was breathing it in and

1549
01:29:59,308 --> 01:30:01,500
you have a mask on the same
thing.

1550
01:30:01,500 --> 01:30:05,300
She used to kill her victims.
Had made a very small hole in

1551
01:30:05,300 --> 01:30:07,100
her brain and it wouldn't stop
bleeding.

1552
01:30:08,300 --> 01:30:11,300
A strange Karma.
Hmm.

1553
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:13,600
She finished her time at the
women's prison.

1554
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:16,300
She went to the psych prison and
that is where she died on

1555
01:30:16,300 --> 01:30:19,500
October 14th 1971 year before
her release.

1556
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:23,700
No, the blood build up just
cause too much pressure and her

1557
01:30:23,700 --> 01:30:26,800
skull these days.
Obviously, we would just drill a

1558
01:30:26,808 --> 01:30:30,400
hole in someone's head and
relieve that pressure to help

1559
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:32,800
them.
Honestly, you could repair what

1560
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:35,700
happened to her, too.
Yeah, but we didn't have that

1561
01:30:35,700 --> 01:30:38,100
kind of medicine back then.
I don't know of neurosurgery,

1562
01:30:38,100 --> 01:30:41,600
was even a thing we were doing
and 1970.

1563
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:47,600
T in rural Italy, one of my
friends visit her family in

1564
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:49,600
rural Italy.
And she said it was awesome.

1565
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:52,800
Really different experience than
going to the tourist spots.

1566
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:56,300
I believe it.
The official death was listed as

1567
01:30:56,300 --> 01:31:02,700
cerebral apoplexy She was 76
years old, and she was making

1568
01:31:02,700 --> 01:31:06,300
jokes with, and made some
orderlies up until she died.

1569
01:31:06,700 --> 01:31:10,400
Hmm, her family could not be
found to claim her body.

1570
01:31:11,700 --> 01:31:14,200
Italy worried that her grave
site could become a spot for

1571
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:20,000
desecration catch desecration
but also for excitement.

1572
01:31:20,300 --> 01:31:22,200
So they were like they're
worried that people are going to

1573
01:31:22,208 --> 01:31:24,200
be like oh we're going to visit
the soap maker.

1574
01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:27,600
They wanted to become like a
place where people could go for

1575
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:29,100
like a tourist attraction.
Okay.

1576
01:31:29,100 --> 01:31:32,300
She was cremated, her cremains
were disposed somewhere.

1577
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:37,400
Not turn into soup not turning
this out, dude.

1578
01:31:37,900 --> 01:31:42,200
So, the next question, the real
question here is Did she outlive

1579
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:45,800
her children like the first
fortune teller prom?

1580
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:47,100
Right?
When did you say p?

1581
01:31:47,300 --> 01:31:52,400
Well, first things first she
outlived Raphael He actually

1582
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:56,900
died in a small rural Village
further south.

1583
01:31:57,400 --> 01:32:01,700
He had taken to drinking after
learning of what she did and he

1584
01:32:01,700 --> 01:32:03,600
died before she even went to
trial.

1585
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:06,300
Oh wow!
Yep, her three youngest children

1586
01:32:06,300 --> 01:32:08,100
could not legally change their
name.

1587
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:11,600
The process to change your name
involve creating a paper trail.

1588
01:32:12,500 --> 01:32:16,500
So what they believe happened is
that more than likely they used

1589
01:32:16,500 --> 01:32:21,600
like a name of their own just
locally and it was just never

1590
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:25,500
registered because they didn't
start registering.

1591
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:32,500
You know we have like Social
Security and things like that.

1592
01:32:32,500 --> 01:32:35,000
Yeah, that didn't happen until
20th century.

1593
01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:36,400
Italy.
Okay.

1594
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:39,500
And it was World War Two so it's
very likely.

1595
01:32:39,500 --> 01:32:41,400
They were easy to like slip
through the cracks.

1596
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:42,200
Yeah.
Okay.

1597
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:46,600
I know what happened to them.
They set off in the distance and

1598
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:51,000
Giuseppe, he went to war, he was
deployed to the African theater.

1599
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:55,100
And then later redirected to the
Tunisian campaign in May of

1600
01:32:55,100 --> 01:32:59,100
1943, the Africa Corps Was
Defeated and the Ready of the

1601
01:32:59,100 --> 01:33:02,900
Italian first Army were captured
and taken to the UK as prisoners

1602
01:33:02,900 --> 01:33:05,500
of War.
When searching through those

1603
01:33:05,500 --> 01:33:09,000
records for prisoners of War,
there is no one by the name of

1604
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:13,200
Giuseppe Prince already.
His name is not in any death

1605
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:17,700
records as well.
What happened?

1606
01:33:17,900 --> 01:33:20,900
I think that it's possible that
it could have been situation

1607
01:33:20,900 --> 01:33:26,200
where he took the credentials of
someone else who died on the

1608
01:33:26,208 --> 01:33:30,200
battlefield and just lives a
different person that could have

1609
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:32,800
been very easy.
Like I said, they didn't do Mass

1610
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:34,700
registration until the 20th
century Cherie.

1611
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:37,000
It's highly plausible that he
either lived as a different

1612
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:40,200
person for the rest of his life.
Or he could have died on the

1613
01:33:40,208 --> 01:33:44,600
battlefield.
That that we don't know if

1614
01:33:44,608 --> 01:33:47,200
that's possible.
But yeah, it's something that

1615
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:50,100
used to happen.
Yeah, it is the madman thing

1616
01:33:50,100 --> 01:33:52,500
that happened on the TV show.
Mad Men, I don't know what, he

1617
01:33:52,500 --> 01:33:54,600
just took the name of another
guy who was already dead.

1618
01:33:54,700 --> 01:33:57,300
Oh, and lived a new life.
I never watch Madmen, but no,

1619
01:33:57,300 --> 01:33:59,800
it's so there's another serial
killer.

1620
01:34:00,200 --> 01:34:03,500
And he was a Nazi scientist,
right?

1621
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:06,400
What's his frickin name is Dave?
I know you're talking about.

1622
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:08,200
Yeah that guy, he did the same
thing.

1623
01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:10,300
He just took somebody else's
credentials and yeah it'd be.

1624
01:34:10,300 --> 01:34:12,000
Another person went to a whole
other country.

1625
01:34:12,100 --> 01:34:14,100
And everything.
Yeah, it's find out till way

1626
01:34:14,100 --> 01:34:15,300
later.
Exactly.

1627
01:34:15,500 --> 01:34:17,500
Yeah.
So and that time period, it

1628
01:34:17,500 --> 01:34:19,500
would be very likely.
It's probably likely that.

1629
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:22,800
We just don't know the name that
he went by after that.

1630
01:34:22,900 --> 01:34:26,000
Okay, well hopefully, he
survived long because his mom

1631
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:30,700
went through a lot to help me
survive, because it's mom killed

1632
01:34:30,700 --> 01:34:34,100
people survived, because he
survived.

1633
01:34:34,100 --> 01:34:37,200
Well, that's where is awful.
Yes, that's who but me.

1634
01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:41,800
Regardless of whether he lived a
survived, The day he found out

1635
01:34:41,808 --> 01:34:44,200
about that.
Yeah, it was the end for them.

1636
01:34:44,300 --> 01:34:49,900
Yeah, terrible.
I'm yeah, that is all I have for

1637
01:34:49,900 --> 01:34:52,000
you today.
That was a good one.

1638
01:34:53,900 --> 01:34:56,500
Applause.
Yay.

1639
01:34:57,100 --> 01:34:59,100
And before we start yours, I do
want to talk about something

1640
01:34:59,100 --> 01:35:00,400
really quick.
It's not going to be like a

1641
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:04,200
whole ad and know something.
I don't like ads but there is

1642
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:06,400
something that I am super
interested in.

1643
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:09,100
It's called and if I go missing
file and I'm working with a

1644
01:35:09,108 --> 01:35:13,600
company called help you find me.
If it's just, it helps you

1645
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:16,900
create an online file of all of
your Vital Records.

1646
01:35:16,900 --> 01:35:20,500
So that if you go missing, you
can give those to the police and

1647
01:35:20,500 --> 01:35:23,500
you don't have to wait for the
police to request.

1648
01:35:23,700 --> 01:35:26,300
Documents, which can take weeks
these can be given to the

1649
01:35:26,300 --> 01:35:28,500
police, like the day you go
missing.

1650
01:35:28,700 --> 01:35:33,400
I think it's really cool.
And the code to get 20% off is

1651
01:35:33,700 --> 01:35:37,400
w/kg.
C20, it's on the website.

1652
01:35:38,100 --> 01:35:40,500
They give you a free 15 days
just so you can look it over.

1653
01:35:40,500 --> 01:35:43,600
But like the cheapest plan is
only 19 bucks, regardless of

1654
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:45,100
whether I had an account or not
with them.

1655
01:35:45,100 --> 01:35:46,400
Like I think this is really
cool.

1656
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:48,900
I have an account with them.
I don't think Brian's checked it

1657
01:35:48,900 --> 01:35:51,000
out yet, but he also checked it
out.

1658
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:56,600
You did you make you think?
Hell yeah you should just go to

1659
01:35:56,600 --> 01:35:58,100
the link that I have is pretty
cool.

1660
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:01,700
Like I said, I it's in the
majority of us are probably not

1661
01:36:01,700 --> 01:36:06,400
going to get murdered but the
guy who made it the guy created

1662
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:11,100
the actual website did it
because he was so tired of

1663
01:36:11,100 --> 01:36:16,500
whenever he went on a trip, his
mom and his wife would harass

1664
01:36:16,500 --> 01:36:20,800
him for details so you can put
like your travel plans on there.

1665
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:24,000
So anytime someone's worried
about you they can You and you

1666
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:25,300
can give them access.
Yeah.

1667
01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:27,200
This would have been probably
good for.

1668
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:29,400
This is probably good for
parents with college kids.

1669
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:30,800
Yes.
Because college kids don't like

1670
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:33,300
to call home and parents want to
know.

1671
01:36:33,300 --> 01:36:36,400
I barely like to call home now.
I'm like, hey, I look really

1672
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:37,700
bad.
I'm like, I gotta call my dad

1673
01:36:37,700 --> 01:36:40,200
and like a month.
I think about him all the time.

1674
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:42,000
That matter.
Is that counts, right?

1675
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:43,000
Yeah.
Yeah.

1676
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:45,700
I think so.
But I thought it was really cool

1677
01:36:45,700 --> 01:36:48,300
and it's definitely something
that I thought you all would.

1678
01:36:48,300 --> 01:36:54,700
Like I have never taken like an
official real lad from any

1679
01:36:54,700 --> 01:36:56,900
company.
Because I think that I don't

1680
01:36:56,900 --> 01:37:00,200
want to sell you guys.
The coldest water bottles or

1681
01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:03,900
other, crap like that.
Those water bottles are pretty

1682
01:37:03,900 --> 01:37:05,600
awesome.
There are 150 dollars.

1683
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:07,900
Brian.
Who is gonna spend $150 on a

1684
01:37:07,900 --> 01:37:10,800
water bottle, sir?
Nobody, nobody know.

1685
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:13,900
I think my, my awesome thermos
was like, $30.

1686
01:37:13,900 --> 01:37:16,700
Exactly.
That's outlandish.

1687
01:37:17,300 --> 01:37:19,400
But I just, you know, that's my
thing.

1688
01:37:19,900 --> 01:37:25,500
So, so, what do you have for us
today?

1689
01:37:25,500 --> 01:37:28,500
Brian.
All right, I have a lovely

1690
01:37:29,300 --> 01:37:31,900
lovely tale for you.
Is it sad?

1691
01:37:33,500 --> 01:37:35,900
No.
Okay, not today.

1692
01:37:35,900 --> 01:37:38,500
Why I haven't done any sad ones
yet.

1693
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:42,200
You something good.
Okay, I think I have.

1694
01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:43,900
It was just me.
You do?

1695
01:37:43,900 --> 01:37:47,800
Ya know, paranormal is more of
the funny goofy side.

1696
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:51,200
You true crying.
It's the doubter.

1697
01:37:51,400 --> 01:37:53,100
Listen, you asked to be part of
this.

1698
01:37:53,800 --> 01:37:56,600
Oh, goodness.
Or did I ask you to be a part of

1699
01:37:56,600 --> 01:37:58,000
this?
I think we both asked

1700
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:03,700
definitely.
Oh, so it's September.

1701
01:38:03,900 --> 01:38:06,200
Okay.
Meaning almost time for

1702
01:38:06,200 --> 01:38:07,400
Halloween.
Oh, absolutely.

1703
01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:12,700
It's like as soon as I hit
September, you're just like What

1704
01:38:12,700 --> 01:38:15,200
is what is Autumn anymore?
It's spooky season.

1705
01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:16,400
The whole bottom.
All of it.

1706
01:38:16,500 --> 01:38:18,600
My favorite time of the year.
There's numerous fall.

1707
01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:25,600
Just spooky season berth.
Miss yes, We had time to get

1708
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:28,600
those costumes ready for your
kiddos and for yourself, too.

1709
01:38:29,100 --> 01:38:33,300
It's getting cooler at night
autumns in the air and it's the

1710
01:38:33,300 --> 01:38:35,600
perfect time to wear a striped
sweater.

1711
01:38:37,500 --> 01:38:39,600
Why is the perfect time to wear
striped sweater shirt?

1712
01:38:39,900 --> 01:38:43,000
Because it's all the time with
is the perfect time to wear a

1713
01:38:43,008 --> 01:38:45,500
striped sweater sweater.
But what color are those drapes

1714
01:38:45,500 --> 01:38:47,200
please.
Cuz when you say stroke sweater

1715
01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:49,100
I think where's Waldo?
Oh my God.

1716
01:38:49,100 --> 01:38:50,400
No.
Okay.

1717
01:38:51,900 --> 01:38:55,300
Azula SpongeBob.
Pretty sorry.

1718
01:38:55,300 --> 01:38:57,900
My brain went where's Waldo?
Oh my God.

1719
01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:00,500
And I have seen the garden
teacher.

1720
01:39:01,900 --> 01:39:06,000
Oh, hmm.
Anyway, that is unless you live,

1721
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:09,200
in Fairfax County, Virginia.
Okay?

1722
01:39:09,300 --> 01:39:14,500
There's an urban legend about a
man, his, his white suit and his

1723
01:39:14,500 --> 01:39:20,100
Hatchet.
This is the money man urban

1724
01:39:20,100 --> 01:39:25,000
legend.
Heard of them is this person

1725
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:30,800
actually a real person.
Yes, I think I do know this.

1726
01:39:31,700 --> 01:39:34,700
I'm going to say yes because
there's actual accounts of this

1727
01:39:34,700 --> 01:39:38,900
and there's actual proof of this
person, existing know, there was

1728
01:39:38,900 --> 01:39:41,100
like a person.
I remember this one story and

1729
01:39:41,100 --> 01:39:43,600
people thought he was scary but
really had a disability.

1730
01:39:44,200 --> 01:39:45,300
Oh, that's another thing I
guess.

1731
01:39:45,500 --> 01:39:47,400
I'll go for one.
Yeah, that's another thing I

1732
01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:49,700
told the Green Man up in like
20.

1733
01:39:49,700 --> 01:39:52,300
Yeah, that was what I was
thinking, Ohio.

1734
01:39:52,300 --> 01:39:54,200
Like, that's what I was thinking
at your entire me about.

1735
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:57,400
Yeah, so wrong one, buddy.
Man, I'd this sounds familiar.

1736
01:39:57,500 --> 01:39:59,400
How so.
All right.

1737
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:03,300
So there's an actual like urban
legend behind this.

1738
01:40:03,700 --> 01:40:06,600
So I'm going to tell that after
I do this, after I do like the

1739
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:09,800
to actual reports.
Oh happened.

1740
01:40:09,800 --> 01:40:13,600
So okay, so story.
So we have first, you know

1741
01:40:13,700 --> 01:40:15,700
accounts?
Yeah, absolutely.

1742
01:40:15,700 --> 01:40:20,500
So there are two initial reports
that like everybody knows or you

1743
01:40:20,500 --> 01:40:22,600
know, whoever tells his tale,
they know.

1744
01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:31,900
So it's October 19. 1970 in Air
Force Academy Cadet.

1745
01:40:32,100 --> 01:40:36,500
His name is Robert Bennett and
his fiancee are on our way to

1746
01:40:36,500 --> 01:40:40,500
visit a relative after they go
to the football game.

1747
01:40:41,900 --> 01:40:47,500
So this is around midnight and
they Park on Guinea Road since,

1748
01:40:47,500 --> 01:40:50,100
you know, Bennett's Uncle he
lives right across the street

1749
01:40:50,100 --> 01:40:51,700
from there.
So we're just like, let's just

1750
01:40:51,700 --> 01:40:53,300
pop in and say hi.
Okay.

1751
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:58,400
So we're sitting in her car is
still on, you know idling just

1752
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:02,100
blah talking probably who knows
what they're doing in the car?

1753
01:41:02,500 --> 01:41:04,700
Yeah, the time period.
When Zodiac Killer would just

1754
01:41:04,700 --> 01:41:06,400
show up and kill people.
Yeah.

1755
01:41:10,300 --> 01:41:18,000
So they notice something moving
like in their rear window.

1756
01:41:18,300 --> 01:41:22,300
Uh-huh.
And before they even know it,

1757
01:41:23,100 --> 01:41:28,200
there's something thrown through
their passenger side window from

1758
01:41:28,200 --> 01:41:33,800
room and yep.
As soon as it happens Bennett

1759
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:37,200
puts the car and drive or he
reverses it out of his parking

1760
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:40,700
spot and he just speeds off.
Listen, we call We call Uncle

1761
01:41:40,700 --> 01:41:44,800
Jimmy when we get home.
Well, they're driving away, they

1762
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:48,000
can hear this person screaming
at them about them.

1763
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:52,000
Trespassing and that that he got
their plates are tags or

1764
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:55,600
whatever.
And you know, not to be around

1765
01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:57,800
there.
Wow.

1766
01:41:57,800 --> 01:42:01,800
So as they're driving, they
noticed what was drawn through

1767
01:42:01,800 --> 01:42:07,500
their car window and it's a
hatchet or a small axe or

1768
01:42:07,500 --> 01:42:11,000
whatever aggressive, what was
only See what you can deem

1769
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:12,700
trespassing.
Exactly.

1770
01:42:13,900 --> 01:42:16,000
That is some super care and
behavior.

1771
01:42:19,300 --> 01:42:24,500
So think what the notice about
this man, or his person was that

1772
01:42:24,500 --> 01:42:28,400
he was wearing like, oh wait,
like a kind of like a white suit

1773
01:42:28,700 --> 01:42:31,600
peculiar, it's really weird
Colonel Sanders.

1774
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:36,700
Yeah, so they head to the
police, you know, they give them

1775
01:42:36,700 --> 01:42:43,800
the report Bennett eggs, a
feature that his fiancee did Not

1776
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:47,500
notice or that she did not
remember.

1777
01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:50,300
Yeah, she's like no that didn't
happen.

1778
01:42:50,300 --> 01:42:55,000
That wasn't, that's not what you
saw, but he he told the police

1779
01:42:55,000 --> 01:43:00,200
that he saw that, the guy had
long white rabbit ears on his

1780
01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:02,800
head too.
So the police think this guys

1781
01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:04,600
wearing a costume and harassing
people.

1782
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:12,100
Yeah.
So that's that's first account,

1783
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:15,500
okay?
Second account, October 29th.

1784
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:18,600
Same year.
So, just a couple weeks later.

1785
01:43:19,300 --> 01:43:23,600
Yeah.
Ten days later, a cus truck and

1786
01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:27,600
construction security guard.
He approaches this guy because

1787
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:31,300
you know, he's in his work area
and this is where they're

1788
01:43:31,300 --> 01:43:33,600
building houses and stuff.
Okay.

1789
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:37,300
So he approaches his guy who's
like standing on this Like

1790
01:43:37,300 --> 01:43:40,300
half-finished Houses porch,
right?

1791
01:43:40,300 --> 01:43:47,500
And he's like, The guy he's
staring at the construct, the

1792
01:43:47,500 --> 01:43:52,400
security guard, and he's like
using this Hatchet or axe thing

1793
01:43:52,500 --> 01:43:58,900
and he's just stabbing this this
mail post with it and just

1794
01:43:58,900 --> 01:44:02,100
staring at him like
threateningly weird.

1795
01:44:02,200 --> 01:44:06,300
Yeah.
Again this is one guinea any

1796
01:44:06,300 --> 01:44:08,700
drive or get it.
Road is obviously somebody from

1797
01:44:08,700 --> 01:44:12,100
around the area.
Yeah but why does he feel like

1798
01:44:12,100 --> 01:44:14,100
he owns this?
This whole town.

1799
01:44:14,100 --> 01:44:18,000
I don't know.
So for this road yeah the guard

1800
01:44:18,100 --> 01:44:23,400
reported that the man was Ring a
gray black and white bunny suit

1801
01:44:24,900 --> 01:44:26,800
and he was chopping.
Like, as I just chopping up the

1802
01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:31,700
porch post with an X and said
something about trespassing and

1803
01:44:31,700 --> 01:44:38,400
that if the guard Got any closer
to them that he chopped his head

1804
01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:42,900
off.
I'm hunting people hunting

1805
01:44:42,900 --> 01:44:48,600
wabbits, not wabbits.
And of course, this report to

1806
01:44:48,608 --> 01:44:55,200
the police, but with very little
evidence, you know, the case was

1807
01:44:55,400 --> 01:44:57,800
yeah, closed.
So, there's nothing that came

1808
01:44:57,800 --> 01:45:00,300
out of this report or the first
report because there's like

1809
01:45:00,300 --> 01:45:03,800
nothing like when they showed
the police to ask from the first

1810
01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:08,300
one and hopefully so like, okay
this is like the 70s, so I don't

1811
01:45:08,300 --> 01:45:11,600
think fingerprinting was a thing
back, then, it was a thing.

1812
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:15,100
But like, even now
fingerprinting isn't exactly a

1813
01:45:15,108 --> 01:45:16,500
really good sign.
That's true too.

1814
01:45:16,500 --> 01:45:19,700
Yeah we've met they just look at
a list of fingerprints and go

1815
01:45:19,700 --> 01:45:23,400
that one looks like it it's
really not a sound science even

1816
01:45:23,400 --> 01:45:27,500
now so I'm sure if it was more
guesswork back then too and like

1817
01:45:28,100 --> 01:45:31,200
the guy was in a suit so his
hands could have been covered.

1818
01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:34,900
This is true too.
No, no white for patches or

1819
01:45:34,900 --> 01:45:38,600
nothing like that either.
Yeah, this might not have left

1820
01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:40,800
any DNA behind it all?
No.

1821
01:45:42,500 --> 01:45:47,400
So, that's the mystery.
So, apparently there is an

1822
01:45:47,500 --> 01:45:53,900
underpass that they called the
bunnyman bridge which okay, is

1823
01:45:53,900 --> 01:45:59,200
around this area, too.
Hold Up, Wait A Minute, Man.

1824
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:03,100
Funny man, bridge and is it.
New Guinea.

1825
01:46:03,100 --> 01:46:12,400
Is that the situation?
It's called the Colchester

1826
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:13,700
overpass.
Okay.

1827
01:46:15,500 --> 01:46:18,800
So this was built in 1906.
Oh wow.

1828
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:24,200
Yeah so This.
Now, this is part of this urban

1829
01:46:24,200 --> 01:46:26,700
legend.
Okay, so I want to read to you.

1830
01:46:26,700 --> 01:46:32,700
So I'm just going to say that
and apparently Ghost Hunters.

1831
01:46:32,700 --> 01:46:35,300
I've been there too because of
the urban legend.

1832
01:46:35,300 --> 01:46:38,100
Well, now I have to go watch the
episode soon as you leave.

1833
01:46:38,500 --> 01:46:43,200
I didn't say ghost adventure so
I think Ghost Hunters who knows

1834
01:46:43,300 --> 01:46:44,800
they may actually might have
gone there.

1835
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:50,800
I didn't who fucking knows, who
knows what Baggins well Ghost

1836
01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:53,400
Hunters was the ones from Taps,
right?

1837
01:46:53,400 --> 01:46:57,700
Yeah, I like them they have a
show.

1838
01:46:57,700 --> 01:47:00,600
Now it just doesn't have It is a
new show.

1839
01:47:00,900 --> 01:47:03,900
Hmm I'd watch that.
Then they have one from the one

1840
01:47:03,900 --> 01:47:07,900
like chubby your guy that's
called like Ghost Hunters

1841
01:47:08,100 --> 01:47:12,100
internet like it's something was
like be a go around the country

1842
01:47:12,100 --> 01:47:16,400
to talk to different people but
then the other guy, the bald

1843
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:17,300
one.
Hmm.

1844
01:47:17,300 --> 01:47:20,600
He has a new one too and it's
him and some of the regular guys

1845
01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:22,700
and grants just they're still
friendly.

1846
01:47:22,700 --> 01:47:24,800
He just wanted to devote time to
his family.

1847
01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:29,800
I mean, yeah my mom spent like
15 plus years doing The show.

1848
01:47:29,800 --> 01:47:33,800
Yeah, so yeah, it's a lot, that
is a lot.

1849
01:47:33,900 --> 01:47:36,500
And, you know, a parasocial
relationships being have, they

1850
01:47:36,500 --> 01:47:39,000
are people think they know you
because they watch you on TV.

1851
01:47:39,700 --> 01:47:42,900
So I'm sure he probably got a
lot of creepy creepy responses,

1852
01:47:43,200 --> 01:47:45,600
I believe it, you know, so he
prized want to be there was

1853
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:46,300
kids.
So, yeah.

1854
01:47:46,300 --> 01:47:49,100
So the other guys are still
doing a show though, okay.

1855
01:47:50,500 --> 01:47:51,900
So I could watch that one.
I like them.

1856
01:47:51,900 --> 01:47:55,400
They're nice people.
Mmm, don't yell goes, no, don't

1857
01:47:55,400 --> 01:47:57,100
don't say what's up demons.
Sure, boy.

1858
01:47:57,800 --> 01:47:59,900
Yo, dad.
Ashamed.

1859
01:47:59,900 --> 01:48:06,200
A I know testing fate with
writing for Cara.

1860
01:48:06,300 --> 01:48:10,400
Look that's all I can say.
That's all I could think of when

1861
01:48:10,400 --> 01:48:14,200
I'm like if I'm trying to talk
to a ghost if I said it's the

1862
01:48:14,200 --> 01:48:18,500
best thing ever picture of him
with his sunglasses on what's up

1863
01:48:18,500 --> 01:48:21,000
demons.
It's your boy shit boy.

1864
01:48:21,200 --> 01:48:24,300
Ha ha ha that's the only thing I
could think of when I'm

1865
01:48:24,300 --> 01:48:26,200
questioning demons, what's up
dean of this?

1866
01:48:26,200 --> 01:48:31,400
Your boy, yeah you are. demon
also got to let you know now

1867
01:48:31,400 --> 01:48:36,900
that you have put The Warrens
episodes on YouTube.

1868
01:48:37,200 --> 01:48:38,800
People have a lot to say about
the Warren.

1869
01:48:38,900 --> 01:48:41,700
Oh my God.
I just said, I'm not saying

1870
01:48:41,700 --> 01:48:42,900
nothing.
Okay.

1871
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:48,400
Well, we're not saying nothing,
I'm gonna get to this urban

1872
01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:52,900
legend then, yes, it's a, it's a
nice long story.

1873
01:48:53,200 --> 01:48:57,900
So, yes, settlement, it's nice.
I like to, I like to add stories

1874
01:48:57,900 --> 01:49:00,500
to my segments.
It just, I don't know.

1875
01:49:01,000 --> 01:49:06,500
Just add some flavor.
Y'all can see that as over here

1876
01:49:06,500 --> 01:49:10,400
dancing.
So this is called the Clifton

1877
01:49:10,400 --> 01:49:15,300
Bunny Man.
So it tells a bunny man goes

1878
01:49:15,300 --> 01:49:17,800
back.
Many, many years originally.

1879
01:49:17,900 --> 01:49:21,300
It didn't start until 1931 after
many murders.

1880
01:49:21,300 --> 01:49:25,000
Had already been committed for
verification list or you can

1881
01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:28,600
visit the old Clifton library
located in Clifton Norfolk,

1882
01:49:28,600 --> 01:49:32,900
Virginia, Northern Virginia USA.
What I'm about to tell you is

1883
01:49:32,900 --> 01:49:36,500
entirely true, although I've
never seen them bunnyman

1884
01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:40,300
everyone in Clifton believes it
to be true, okay?

1885
01:49:40,300 --> 01:49:45,900
But how many other people in
Clifton is, That matters.

1886
01:49:47,100 --> 01:49:49,100
I mean, you know, lots of people
see the Jersey Devil.

1887
01:49:49,900 --> 01:49:54,500
This is true, so quick reference
to help you understand the

1888
01:49:54,500 --> 01:49:57,600
story.
The Bridge has a one-lane car

1889
01:49:57,600 --> 01:50:00,200
Road.
Passing underneath a dual Rail

1890
01:50:00,200 --> 01:50:05,200
Road Track above it within
within the woods as like one

1891
01:50:05,200 --> 01:50:07,000
lane.
Ya rabbee bridge.

1892
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:08,600
And you said oh because the
train tracks.

1893
01:50:08,600 --> 01:50:10,700
Okay.
Yeah, we have one right over by

1894
01:50:10,700 --> 01:50:12,100
my house to say.
I know you're talking about.

1895
01:50:12,100 --> 01:50:17,300
Yeah.
Back in 1903, deep in Clifton,

1896
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:20,200
there used to be an asylum
buried deep within the

1897
01:50:20,200 --> 01:50:23,800
Wilderness of Clifton.
Pretty soon.

1898
01:50:23,800 --> 01:50:27,000
After the Civil War, people
begin a people started inhabited

1899
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:33,300
area population wise around 300
or so, it was a very small town.

1900
01:50:33,400 --> 01:50:36,700
Nonetheless people didn't like
the idea of having an asylum

1901
01:50:36,800 --> 01:50:40,200
miles down the road.
So, they all got together inside

1902
01:50:40,200 --> 01:50:45,300
a petition petition, stating for
the Asylum to relocate.

1903
01:50:45,300 --> 01:50:52,700
Elsewhere, stupid, petition has
an a new ice Asylum was built.

1904
01:50:53,100 --> 01:50:56,400
Which is now known as Morton
Prison.

1905
01:50:57,500 --> 01:51:04,000
Okay, a temporary facility until
convicts are appropriately.

1906
01:51:04,300 --> 01:51:05,900
Sentenced.
Oh okay.

1907
01:51:05,900 --> 01:51:09,000
We have some like that.
I won't say the city because

1908
01:51:09,000 --> 01:51:11,700
it's very close to us but
there's one not that far from us

1909
01:51:11,700 --> 01:51:13,300
where they do all the testing
and stuff here.

1910
01:51:13,400 --> 01:51:18,000
Okay that's cool.
And fall of 1900 for the

1911
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:22,900
convicts were gathered and piled
into the bus, which was to

1912
01:51:22,900 --> 01:51:26,200
transport them to Lorton
somehow.

1913
01:51:26,300 --> 01:51:29,900
During the drive, not too far
from where he left the driver

1914
01:51:29,900 --> 01:51:34,200
had swerved to avoid something
in the bus had started to tip

1915
01:51:34,300 --> 01:51:38,100
and soon was rolling into a
terrible Collision Course.

1916
01:51:39,800 --> 01:51:43,200
Most of the convicts were
injured but had managed to

1917
01:51:43,200 --> 01:51:45,900
escape the bus and had fled into
the night Woods.

1918
01:51:46,600 --> 01:51:51,900
Of course, you know, later on
the next morning, a local police

1919
01:51:51,900 --> 01:51:55,600
investigation had begun and they
had begun rounding up the

1920
01:51:55,600 --> 01:52:01,300
escaped convicts hours turned
into days days into weeks weeks

1921
01:52:01,300 --> 01:52:05,300
and two months, everyone was
recovered after 4 months.

1922
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:12,700
Except for two people.
Marcus a wall stir and Douglas J

1923
01:52:12,900 --> 01:52:16,500
Griffin.
Griffin in Bowling Green.

1924
01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:18,700
It's not two EPS but it's one F.
So.

1925
01:52:18,700 --> 01:52:22,400
Okay, hmm.
During a search for both men.

1926
01:52:22,500 --> 01:52:27,000
The police randomly found dead.
Rabbits, eat half eaten and the

1927
01:52:27,000 --> 01:52:31,800
December dismembered.
Every now and then along their

1928
01:52:31,800 --> 01:52:36,800
search, okay?
Finally, they were to find

1929
01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:40,800
Marcus dead himself by the
Fairfax Station bridge.

1930
01:52:41,100 --> 01:52:47,300
Now known as bunny Mansbridge,
and in his hand, he held a

1931
01:52:47,300 --> 01:52:50,000
man-made Hammer knife, like
tool.

1932
01:52:51,200 --> 01:52:55,300
Made into his made with a sharp
rock in a pretty sturdy Branch

1933
01:52:55,400 --> 01:52:58,700
as a handle.
So it like a makeshift X.

1934
01:52:58,900 --> 01:53:04,200
Okay?
They thought nothing in in cared

1935
01:53:04,200 --> 01:53:09,100
not to not have how he died.
Only that he was apprehended and

1936
01:53:09,100 --> 01:53:10,900
no longer had to worry about
him.

1937
01:53:11,300 --> 01:53:16,300
So, okay.
They had a name for Marcus but

1938
01:53:16,300 --> 01:53:20,700
later on the would realize they
had named the wrong person that

1939
01:53:20,700 --> 01:53:25,000
money man.
Oh still searching for Douglas.

1940
01:53:25,400 --> 01:53:29,700
They kept on finding half dead.
Half eaten bunnies every so

1941
01:53:29,700 --> 01:53:33,000
often.
Well the search went on finally

1942
01:53:33,400 --> 01:53:38,300
they were it's named Douglas the
bunny man from their own three

1943
01:53:38,300 --> 01:53:43,600
months passed on Class by and
and the police had given up

1944
01:53:43,600 --> 01:53:47,900
their search and April 7th on
April 17th, 1905.

1945
01:53:49,700 --> 01:53:53,600
Everybody assumed the money man
was dead by now if not going.

1946
01:53:53,800 --> 01:53:58,200
So they went on with their
small-time lives come October he

1947
01:53:58,200 --> 01:54:02,300
will start seeing dead bunnies.
Reappearing out of the blue and

1948
01:54:02,300 --> 01:54:07,800
started to fear the Unseen.
Halloween night came around and

1949
01:54:07,800 --> 01:54:12,000
as usual, a bunch of kids had
gone over to the bridge that

1950
01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:14,800
night to drink and do whatever
kids their age did.

1951
01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:21,900
And 1900 midnight came around
within minutes and most of the

1952
01:54:21,900 --> 01:54:24,400
kids had left.
Only three of them remained at

1953
01:54:24,400 --> 01:54:27,000
the bridge.
Right at midnight.

1954
01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:32,200
Supposedly a bright light back
food within the bridge where the

1955
01:54:32,200 --> 01:54:36,600
kids were less than a couple
seconds.

1956
01:54:38,100 --> 01:54:41,600
Wait, hold on, where the kids
were in less than a couple of

1957
01:54:41,600 --> 01:54:43,700
seconds later?
They were all dead.

1958
01:54:46,100 --> 01:54:50,900
Throat slash with the same type
of tool that was found by the

1959
01:54:50,900 --> 01:54:56,900
other escapee Marcus.
Not only where the throat slash,

1960
01:54:57,300 --> 01:55:01,900
but all of them, but all up and
down their chest where a long

1961
01:55:01,900 --> 01:55:04,000
slide, we're long.
Slashes, the gutting them.

1962
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:10,300
To top it off the bunny, man.
Humming both the guys from one

1963
01:55:10,300 --> 01:55:14,200
of the bridge from one end of
the bridge with a rope around

1964
01:55:14,200 --> 01:55:17,400
her neck hanging from the
overpass with their legs

1965
01:55:17,400 --> 01:55:19,700
dangling.
In front of the passing cars,

1966
01:55:19,800 --> 01:55:21,200
this is a lot.
Yeah.

1967
01:55:27,300 --> 01:55:29,000
The women were hung the same
way.

1968
01:55:30,100 --> 01:55:34,100
On the other side of the bridge,
this happened on Halloween and

1969
01:55:34,100 --> 01:55:39,500
1905 after that, he didn't see
or hear anything from him for

1970
01:55:39,500 --> 01:55:43,000
another year, okay?
Halloween 1906.

1971
01:55:43,200 --> 01:55:48,600
Okay was approaching and parents
as well as teens and Clifton.

1972
01:55:49,000 --> 01:55:52,400
Still remembered an incident
that had occurred one year ago

1973
01:55:52,400 --> 01:55:55,800
at the bridge.
His Bridge, bunny, Mansbridge,

1974
01:55:57,300 --> 01:56:02,100
That night 17s were left and
raining right before midnight at

1975
01:56:02,100 --> 01:56:06,800
the bridge.
Thinking little of it six remain

1976
01:56:07,000 --> 01:56:12,300
inside the bridge.
While one, Adrian atala had

1977
01:56:12,300 --> 01:56:16,100
remained a good distance from
the bridge hoping to have enough

1978
01:56:16,100 --> 01:56:18,400
time to escape.
If the same thing happened,

1979
01:56:18,400 --> 01:56:22,800
again, at midnight, she
witnessed only this, a dim light

1980
01:56:23,600 --> 01:56:26,200
walking the railroad track,
right?

1981
01:56:26,200 --> 01:56:31,100
Before midnight stopping right
above the bridge, at midnight,

1982
01:56:31,900 --> 01:56:34,000
then disappearing at the same
time.

1983
01:56:34,200 --> 01:56:39,400
As a bright flash was inside the
bridge, she heard the deafening

1984
01:56:39,400 --> 01:56:42,600
sounds over horrific, screams
coming from inside the bridge

1985
01:56:42,700 --> 01:56:47,500
that lasted only a seconds.
Five seconds later they were all

1986
01:56:47,500 --> 01:56:49,600
hung from the edge of the
bridge.

1987
01:56:49,800 --> 01:56:53,800
Same style as the corpses like a
year later or earlier.

1988
01:56:57,200 --> 01:57:02,100
Horrified, she ran home.
She didn't tell of everything.

1989
01:57:02,100 --> 01:57:07,300
She saw just as batter words
here, there that some of the

1990
01:57:07,300 --> 01:57:10,500
folk put together to come up
with her story.

1991
01:57:11,500 --> 01:57:13,500
No one understood it or even
believe her.

1992
01:57:14,100 --> 01:57:15,500
Hmm.
I don't like it.

1993
01:57:15,800 --> 01:57:19,800
You like it?
They charged her, they charged

1994
01:57:19,800 --> 01:57:23,300
her with the murder.
No, and locked her up in an

1995
01:57:23,300 --> 01:57:28,400
asylum Lauren in 1913.
The same thing happened with

1996
01:57:28,400 --> 01:57:31,100
nine teenagers this time
Halloween night again.

1997
01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:34,600
Yeah, so next time, I think it's
her.

1998
01:57:35,100 --> 01:57:38,300
So she still locked up, Adrian
still locked up, they dropped

1999
01:57:38,300 --> 01:57:41,100
her sentence, but it was too
late.

2000
01:57:41,400 --> 01:57:43,500
The insanity had finally
conquered her.

2001
01:57:44,800 --> 01:57:48,300
Even if she was released, she
was too far gone to have a

2002
01:57:48,300 --> 01:57:50,900
decent life.
So she spent the remaining years

2003
01:57:50,900 --> 01:57:55,300
in the Asylum, until she finally
died in 1953 of shock.

2004
01:57:57,300 --> 01:57:59,500
Yeah, no one knows.
Exactly.

2005
01:58:00,700 --> 01:58:03,800
What is actually?
She died in shock from but

2006
01:58:03,900 --> 01:58:08,600
supposedly, she had died in her
dreams, dreaming of that one

2007
01:58:08,600 --> 01:58:11,000
dreaded night.
Perhaps the buddy man had

2008
01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:16,100
finally gotten to her, hmm.
More murders were to take place.

2009
01:58:16,100 --> 01:58:20,900
However, although after the
murders in 1913, most people

2010
01:58:20,900 --> 01:58:25,400
stay clear as a bridge on
Halloween, 1943 Rose around and

2011
01:58:25,400 --> 01:58:29,100
six teenagers, go strolling out
on Halloween night, a couple

2012
01:58:29,100 --> 01:58:33,200
hours later.
All of them that the same way as

2013
01:58:33,200 --> 01:58:35,700
the others investigations took
place.

2014
01:58:36,100 --> 01:58:42,200
But as usual, nothing was
discovered 1976 the same

2015
01:58:42,200 --> 01:58:45,100
situation occurs this time with
only three people though.

2016
01:58:47,900 --> 01:58:52,600
The only other incident that
occurred since then was in, 1987

2017
01:58:52,800 --> 01:58:57,800
12 years 12 years ago from when
this was written, right?

2018
01:59:00,400 --> 01:59:07,300
Janet chart charger?
Yes, that's her name.

2019
01:59:07,300 --> 01:59:10,200
Charge heart.
Oh, I don't know, whatever.

2020
01:59:10,300 --> 01:59:14,800
Was enjoying a night with her.
Four friends Halloween night had

2021
01:59:14,800 --> 01:59:17,500
finally come, and they had gone
driving out.

2022
01:59:17,700 --> 01:59:22,100
To enjoy the night after
invading the children's caning

2023
01:59:22,100 --> 01:59:24,000
base.
So rating, the children can t be

2024
01:59:24,000 --> 01:59:28,700
forever.
It's settled around 11:00 at the

2025
01:59:28,700 --> 01:59:31,200
bridge waiting for a midnight to
come.

2026
01:59:32,000 --> 01:59:34,900
They didn't believe in the myth.
So they decided to see for

2027
01:59:34,900 --> 01:59:39,300
themselves and we're bound to be
the only ones who actually

2028
01:59:39,300 --> 01:59:44,600
withstood the bunny man.
They had waited about 55 minutes

2029
01:59:44,600 --> 01:59:48,300
or so almost at midnight until
Janet started getting a little

2030
01:59:48,300 --> 01:59:51,800
scared.
They all had been pulling pranks

2031
01:59:51,800 --> 01:59:55,100
on each other, you know, jumping
out of the bushes and screaming,

2032
01:59:55,900 --> 01:59:58,300
so she was already a little
worked out.

2033
01:59:59,100 --> 02:00:03,900
Well, yeah, midnight hits.
While she is completely freaked

2034
02:00:03,900 --> 02:00:08,100
out, she's almost at the bridge.
When the lights get really

2035
02:00:08,100 --> 02:00:11,400
bright inside the bridge, when
that happens, her body is

2036
02:00:11,500 --> 02:00:16,900
halfway outside of the bridge.
She sees her skin start tearing

2037
02:00:16,900 --> 02:00:20,100
at her chest, but nothing is
piercing her skin.

2038
02:00:20,800 --> 02:00:25,800
She manages finally to exit the
bridge completely horrified, she

2039
02:00:25,800 --> 02:00:28,700
hits a hanging body in knocks
herself out.

2040
02:00:28,800 --> 02:00:33,600
Oh, Lord, when she wakes, she
finds out that she finds out her

2041
02:00:33,600 --> 02:00:36,500
hair, turned white, and that she
has been bleeding.

2042
02:00:37,200 --> 02:00:41,400
She was lucky that the cut had
just heard it and wasn't very

2043
02:00:41,800 --> 02:00:44,700
Bad at all.
She left and never returned to

2044
02:00:44,708 --> 02:00:48,800
the bridge again.
She has been sitting on his

2045
02:00:48,800 --> 02:00:51,500
swinging bench on her balcony
every morning.

2046
02:00:51,700 --> 02:00:54,800
Just staring in the direction
towards the bridge, a couple of

2047
02:00:54,800 --> 02:00:58,100
miles down.
She just day, you can still find

2048
02:00:58,100 --> 02:01:02,600
her on that bench every morning
from then on the storage Wells,

2049
02:01:02,700 --> 02:01:06,300
untouched and unmoved Halloween
night.

2050
02:01:07,000 --> 02:01:10,000
You will find a bunch of people
hanging around the bridge

2051
02:01:10,000 --> 02:01:13,300
drinking smoking up.
But within minutes of midnight,

2052
02:01:13,300 --> 02:01:17,400
everyone leaves nah that's good.
It's been like That for the past

2053
02:01:17,400 --> 02:01:22,400
five years and that I have
visited and that I have visited

2054
02:01:22,400 --> 02:01:25,400
the bridge on Halloween night,
even if it's not Halloween

2055
02:01:25,400 --> 02:01:28,900
night, any night you go there,
you feel the presence of death

2056
02:01:28,900 --> 02:01:34,800
waiting waiting, the night sky
of Halloween, yearning for more

2057
02:01:34,800 --> 02:01:40,400
blood to be spilled in a name.
In his name, funny, man.

2058
02:01:42,700 --> 02:01:53,300
So, basically Halo that look on
your face, bass, got ridiculous.

2059
02:01:56,700 --> 02:02:00,400
look, if you're in became of all
the things that didn't happen,

2060
02:02:00,500 --> 02:02:06,600
this didn't happen the most See,
you gotta learn when to pull

2061
02:02:06,600 --> 02:02:08,500
back on these stories, people
write online.

2062
02:02:08,500 --> 02:02:10,800
You know, I know.
I know that's why.

2063
02:02:11,200 --> 02:02:14,000
No sleep is so good.
It be subtle.

2064
02:02:14,900 --> 02:02:17,700
Yeah, but this one's oh, this is
like like a 10 year old story.

2065
02:02:17,700 --> 02:02:24,100
I think 70s right.
Huh, 70s right?

2066
02:02:24,200 --> 02:02:25,500
Yeah.
But this is not, I mean, just

2067
02:02:25,500 --> 02:02:27,400
this story was written like 10
years ago.

2068
02:02:27,400 --> 02:02:31,700
Someone wrote this on.
This is an archives.

2069
02:02:31,700 --> 02:02:34,400
So what do you call that?
A, like a light, not live

2070
02:02:34,400 --> 02:02:36,200
Journal?
Oh gosh, the blog.

2071
02:02:36,200 --> 02:02:38,400
What does black Pages has
angles?

2072
02:02:38,400 --> 02:02:40,300
No, no before sanghas.
Long before that.

2073
02:02:40,300 --> 02:02:44,600
What's before xanga xango was
like a little blog.

2074
02:02:44,700 --> 02:02:48,700
This was, you can make your own
page was Angel something.

2075
02:02:48,800 --> 02:02:51,700
Oh, I think I remember you
talking about, okay, probably on

2076
02:02:51,700 --> 02:02:56,800
one of those dates.
So I know how he's coming up,

2077
02:02:57,000 --> 02:02:59,100
but please try to stay away from
the body.

2078
02:02:59,100 --> 02:03:02,900
Mansbridge in Virginia, you
don't want to see anybody else.

2079
02:03:03,000 --> 02:03:06,200
Any up on the news, Oh my
goodness.

2080
02:03:07,400 --> 02:03:11,400
But that's what I got.
Ya, urban legend from Virginia,

2081
02:03:11,400 --> 02:03:14,000
I loved it.
That was.

2082
02:03:14,700 --> 02:03:20,000
Yeah, you know, it's funny.
Um so there are a lot of, you

2083
02:03:20,000 --> 02:03:22,900
know, of course you know urban
legends are a lot of popular

2084
02:03:23,200 --> 02:03:27,300
culture is things.
There's one I just saw.

2085
02:03:27,300 --> 02:03:32,500
It was recent it's it was like a
very short one, it was Adult

2086
02:03:32,500 --> 02:03:33,800
Swim.
You know how they do?

2087
02:03:33,800 --> 02:03:36,800
The little little bumps in the
middle of their, you know, the

2088
02:03:36,800 --> 02:03:39,300
shows and they go to Commercial
and stuff like that when they're

2089
02:03:39,300 --> 02:03:42,000
coming back like the black
screen with their writing on it,

2090
02:03:42,000 --> 02:03:46,600
okay?
They did one about the bunny man

2091
02:03:47,500 --> 02:03:51,700
and they're like, so, apparently
in Virginia, there's a guy

2092
02:03:51,700 --> 02:03:56,700
dressed in a bunny suit carrying
an Axe and frightening people

2093
02:03:57,500 --> 02:04:01,100
and that's it.
No, that's funny.

2094
02:04:02,600 --> 02:04:08,100
Oh, goodness.
But there is A movie.

2095
02:04:10,500 --> 02:04:14,900
It's called Bunny, Man.
But it's an exploitation Style

2096
02:04:15,000 --> 02:04:18,000
version of the story.
It came out in 2011.

2097
02:04:18,100 --> 02:04:22,600
Interesting, well there's
apparently in 2017, there's a

2098
02:04:22,600 --> 02:04:26,300
Amazon original series called
lure, okay?

2099
02:04:26,400 --> 02:04:31,900
If you watch this out, But it
uses, I guess there's a Money

2100
02:04:31,900 --> 02:04:39,200
Man episode in it.
There's a book, of course.

2101
02:04:41,100 --> 02:04:45,500
Wait, is that a book?
Yes, that's a book or a magazine

2102
02:04:45,700 --> 02:04:47,700
whenever article.
It's called long live, the bunny

2103
02:04:47,700 --> 02:04:58,500
man. but yeah, and that's what I
got for that.

2104
02:04:58,500 --> 02:05:01,700
And it does like reference a
Donnie Darko in here as.

2105
02:05:02,600 --> 02:05:05,800
And then it's funny that you
mentioned the green, the green

2106
02:05:05,800 --> 02:05:09,700
man at the beginning because it
represents that to okay, and a

2107
02:05:09,708 --> 02:05:14,400
little bit.
But yeah, that's what you got.

2108
02:05:15,500 --> 02:05:19,300
That's what we got.
Well, if you listen all the way

2109
02:05:19,300 --> 02:05:22,500
to the end, thank you so much,
you appreciate it.

2110
02:05:22,800 --> 02:05:26,700
Thanks for supporting us on all
of the things, the twitching and

2111
02:05:27,000 --> 02:05:31,900
discords, and the website and
talk Talking I've heard of

2112
02:05:31,900 --> 02:05:35,300
YouTube and I'll try to figure
out what name.

2113
02:05:35,300 --> 02:05:36,800
What the hell you call it tick
tock.

2114
02:05:36,800 --> 02:05:38,800
So it's like what is tick-tocks
name?

2115
02:05:39,000 --> 02:05:43,000
Like I couldn't just say it
anyway.

2116
02:05:43,000 --> 02:05:45,700
Thanks so much.
Yes, thank you guys.

2117
02:05:45,700 --> 02:05:46,400
Bye.