Episode 29: Gertrude Baniszewski; the Monster Mom of Indianapolis

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Everybody in serial killer
country.

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My name is Brittany.
Ransom, and my name is Brian

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Joiner.
And this is when Killers got

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psyche to the Jurors.
We love to learn about each

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week, Brian, and I will find a
True Crime Story that resonated

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with us and then I'll discuss
one, well-known or lesser known

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killer, and go deep into their
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And most importantly, how they
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little spooky and learn
something about the Cryptids or

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the supernatural.
But to start us today, Brian has

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an update on one of his earlier
story.

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This is yes!
Oh my God!

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From episode to episode 2,
episode 2, that was the hands

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that resistant.
Hands that resist them.

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Yes.
So I think this past week we got

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an email from a viewer.
We want to say their name or I

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don't know if I'm I don't know
if the first name.

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Yeah.
That's Michaela.

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All right Kayla.
Hi.

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So they emailed us and told us
that there is a new painting out

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by William Stone him right now
they came out 2021 and it's

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cold, what remains a Google
this.

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Now here I got re-welded pulled
up.

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Up for you and everything.
So you look at it right?

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I remember a Michaela's email,
she said something about the

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doorway just looking ancient
now.

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Just looks like there's the doll
legs at the top.

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This just looks like a demon
stare when you write it looks so

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freaky.
This doesn't look like anything

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related to like the boys gone.
All that's left are his shoes

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that might be his head on the
ground.

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Those legs are dying, legs are
dangling.

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There's a battery on the ground.
This is brutal fan.

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It's a cool picture.
I mean Stoneham.

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Is a very good painter in
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Yes, definitely.
But I just like, I saw the, the

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picture I'm going to painting
and I was like, oh, I got to

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talk about this.
That's amazing.

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That like we talked about that.
What?

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Like January 14, I believe so
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No, like 87 is Shailesh month
later.

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Look, people, when they start
listening to us.

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They listened from the first.
No ice.

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But here's the thing.
Okay, so anyone listening now,

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I'm kind of embarrassed about
the first just a little bit.

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Yeah, I remember the first time
we finished.

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Was just like, we're done so
scared.

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I think I was just speaking of
mile-a-minute.

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That's why I like Yeah, once you
get into like are what our teens

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or stuff like that and I feel
like by March we had a good

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Groove.
Yeah, whenever we got this new

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setup and then we got hurt.
Yeah.

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When once we got our groove
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reviews says that by like three
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considerable battle job.
The problem was there were a

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couple of technical snafus yes,
in the early, like the ayats and

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people complained about like the
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And I was too loud.
I was too quiet, sometimes I was

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true.
I'm always quite so.

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But yeah, so that's pretty cool.
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But this week in True Crime, I
want to let you all know about a

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story that has been unfolding
over the last few.

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Well, okay, so the post poped up
on Facebook August 12th and at

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8:30 p.m. and it says archived
content.

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It was incredible Crime Story
unfolding now, in South City

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eight days ago, a woman named
Elizabeth Elizabeth Cook

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attempted to steal a man's car
and Marine.

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Villa, he caught her in the ACT,
she ran away and she dropped her

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cell phone.
So when the police were called,

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he tried to give her phone to
the cops to, like help find her,

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right?
But the cops were like, no, no,

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no, we don't need it.
Well, I don't want it, it's her

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phone, right?
Well, the man goes in and takes

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over her Facebook account
begins, posting hundreds of her

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text messages emails photos, and
they all have detailed.

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Criminais Ting, criminal evident
that the cops and one, yes

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planning and executing dozens of
thefts around South City and st.

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Louis, we wait.
So you don't even lock your

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phone.
Apparently she didn't some of

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the property has been recovered.
Thanks to these posts, not to

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mention.
They contact you like he used

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the phone numbers to contact
some of her accomplices who are

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like, what are we talking about?
We don't know who this is.

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He looked up.
He looked up her Google history

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and it had things like how to
hotwire this brand name.

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Car.
My God, what is the easiest car

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to steal?
Wow, find something worse.

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She made friends with a 62 year
old ex-con last December, his

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name was Bobby Philips.
And so apparently, Only he

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really, really liked her.
Bobby.

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And three days later, he wrote a
will leaving everything to her

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two more lays later he's dead.
And so mind.

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You, he does have a drug
overdose at her house.

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Huh, there's a lot of
circumstantial evidence right

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now that she might have
deliberately spiked some of his

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drinks.
There's a screenshot on her

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phone of like his will, and
their stuff crossed out, it has

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her address on it.
People went to it, it's nobody's

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there.
Now, it was like the address was

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like, 155 Kensington Avenue.
I don't know where that is.

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I'm like when I saw Kensington,
I was like Philadelphia but

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apparently there's a lot of
kensington's in the world.

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Yeah.
And so the person who wrote this

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was like oh crap.
I was there at one point.

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This guy was going to buy that
house but somebody else like the

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old guy did on it and beat him
and they're like, holy crap,

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like this is the house that so
he posted pictures of when he

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walks through that property,
like when he was going to buy it

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I'm like, what a small world
that's wild.

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But, um, yeah, her her in a
wheel thing.

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That sounds a little familiar,
right?

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I was just like that doctor.
We talked about that shipment?

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Yes.
Well, he's the best part, right?

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So, I joined these Facebook
groups, there's one called the

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Elizabeth Cook cork board
because Facebook is taken down

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her official count.
So people have screenshot, this

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is 33,000 members and them and
it has a picture of a, the guy

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from, It's Always Sunny in
Philadelphia pointing to the

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clerk, really?
Yeah.

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And they're like trying to
connect the dots to all these

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crimes that she did.
And then I joined another group.

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That was Elizabeth Court crimes
STL cork board and this is this

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group is dedicated to solving
the crime and helping the

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victims as opposed to just
gawking at the Marvel that is

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this madness offers.
If you have any information that

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may be helpful, feel free to
reach out to admin and

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moderators.
So they have like pictures of

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people that are missing or
people who she's dealt with.

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This is just so interesting.
That's just sounds wild, like,

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on unlike the situation with
Elisa Lam.

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Yeah.
The netizens are like solving

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crimes in st.
Louis so good.

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Alright, st.
Louis, y'all are doing it.

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Oh my God, that's great.
But yeah, I was like wow this is

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exciting.
No, that's cool.

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Yeah.
They're helping solve crimes.

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Yeah, great.
Yeah.

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Oh goodness.
This with the phone that the

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cops didn't want.
Yeah, I guess there would have

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been like a legal situation with
them having to like get the

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rights to like unlock her phone
legally and warrants and stuff,

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but it wasn't locked male me.
No warrants up in here.

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Know if I want a phone and
someone like stole my car and

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they left their phone.
I'm taking that.

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That's what he did has mine.
We'll find her.

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Okay, I don't think they found
her.

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But what they are finding is
where she like, Stuff she sold

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and where she sold it to a pawn
shop.

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She gave it to you, still out
there.

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I think she might run around.
Listen, I was a bit cook.

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If you're listening, your days
are numbered the citizens of st.

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Louis are gonna find you.
Please don't listen to the

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spike.
We're like hours away.

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It's all good.
Oh, goodness.

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But what is your story right?
Okay, my story is a little bit

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of a doozy.
Okay?

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So this takes place this past
week.

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It's like as soon as you said,
August 12 hours, like you're not

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doing the same story as I am.
Yeah, we cut.

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We've come across that before I
know.

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Um, but no, this one happened on
August 11th.

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I'm pretty sure you've seen it.
It's about my hometown.

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Oh, like a sir.
I was gonna do a tick.

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Tock about this.
I'm so glad you did.

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I really?
I have his picture in my phone.

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I mean, you might as well knows
we got it.

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Oh my God.
But yeah.

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Okay.
So 32 year old man, his name.

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Goodness, got chunky face and
he's pretty bald.

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Yeah.
His name is Donald Meshi jr.

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He's 32 years old.
He is from Lancaster

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Pennsylvania, funny story.
There's only reason why I want

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to cover this is because he went
to the same middle school is I

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went to and actually same time.
Or is he like, wait?

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Watching time.
Yeah.

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Oh, he looks mad old.
Yeah.

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No.
He's hurt you.

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I'm 33.
He looks like he's in his 40s.

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See that life of crime, it just
it, just making ages.

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Yet here's a little rough, like
racism and or just being a

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criminal seems to age you
dramatic music.

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So my cousin's know him as he
talked to your family.

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I did not.
I should have done, I should

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have done it, but it was me no
Alameda too long.

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Oh, my God.
But yeah, my cousin knows him.

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I think my brother knows him.
My sister, probably, too.

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I'm pretty sure I walked across
him well.

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Yeah.
My people, my family.

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No.
Anyway, so that happened on

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Wednesday.
Actually, no, not Wednesday.

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Yeah, and I don't know.
Okay, so what happens is one of

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his relatives coming over to his
house, right?

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So woman, and she Cease this
head on a plate, in his fridge

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is sitting on a plate in the
fridge.

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So, she, you know, she rushes
out of the house, she calls 911.

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She's like, there's a head in my
relatives fridge, and it looks

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like another one of my
relatives, so cops come over,

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come over and he's like, yeah,
so he pulls out the head and so

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he tells them this story. three
that At night, he goes into his

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father's room and he sees what
he thinks to be a cadaver dog,

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All Laying in his father's bed.
And it sounds like his father.

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So he then proceeds to um, To
stab said cadaver doll a few

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times for it said, 23 minutes,
he stabbed it with a 29 inch

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kitchen knife and then he then
proceeds to dismember this

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cadaver doll and he puts the
body parts into bags.

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Think he put them in his garage
or basement, except for the

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head.
They put him in the basement.

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No, he put them all in a
basement, everything in the

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basement.
But hold on.

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All right he's reacting to the
way that I'm staring at him

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right now, hold on, hold on.
So the day after he does this in

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this members the body and puts
all the body parts in the

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basement, he goes back down,
guess the head.

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And then he puts it on a plate
and then he puts it in the

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fridge, why?
I'm not sure, it doesn't really

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say.
But, um, okay.

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So spoiler alert, the body was
actually his father.

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Yeah, Donald mess.
You senior.

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So it says that he lived at
their address since 18 1985.

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Okay.
So they're at the house for like

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a while.
But yeah, he's someone who has

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hallucinations often.
He is someone who has definitely

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been arrested for anger issues.
Okay.

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So this is probably a lie.
So he was a he was a truck

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driver and one time and then
there's one report that says

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that he was I guess he was at a
pump, you know, filling up his

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truck and then I guess he had
fallen asleep.

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You know, the sleeping in this
cab.

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Right?
And then one of the jockeys of

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the, you know, the the whatever
you want to call it.

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The yard welcome.
Oh yeah.

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He knocked on his door, you
know, he told him, like wake up.

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You Gotta Move Along.
You're out of gas pump, so you

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can't be sleeping here.
Ha ha ha.

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So jockey, you know, walks away,
then he gets attacked from

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behind by messy and yeah.
And he's like, can't you let a

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man sleep?
That's what this is, what he

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says, quote, wow.
And yeah, so he was you know,

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supposed to be going an anger
management.

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Think this happened and 2019.
So, so yeah.

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Two years ago.
Wow, but yeah, now this thing

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with his father, it just
happened.

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This past week, right?
This is days ago, somebody sent

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me an e-mail like a tick tock
message.

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Yeah.
Going like, hey, didn't you say

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you live not far from here?
I'm not that close, but yeah,

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it's like 45 minutes away.
Yeah.

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Used to live there in the place
I like to visit.

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I have friends there.
My family is there.

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Oh yeah.
Your whole families and that be

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yeah.
But yeah, so a woman, it says,

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quote this up, so I got this
from Pain life, but it says a

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woman who grew up with Meshi jr.
Stop by the crime scene,

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Thursday after hearing the
unsettling news, I guess that he

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Good old pain.
Yeah, I know, right.

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So she told been lying and she
was shocked to hear that mess.

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She who had not talked to her in
years.

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Allegedly stabbed someone to
death and cut up his body.

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Neighbors are kind of interview.
But what I do know interviews it

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is like this just happened and
if anything updates on it like

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he's not I guess he's charged
with it but he's not like well

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now they have to figure out like
is he just a liar as he is

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guilty going?
So yeah.

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So, they're doing an
investigation right now.

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Many choices.
So, as this story update, I will

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keep you guys updated as well or
will keep you updated as well on

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this.
But yeah, that's my story.

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This week person who went to
Junior High with me and my

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family.
He was found well, is accused of

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murdering his father and
dismembering his body?

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Thank you so much for listening.
And so, one of my sources last

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week, was this, marvelous book
called mistresses of Mayhem and

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of course, it's all about women
killer.

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Yes, I want to buy it, right?
Yeah, because I told you that

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the, I found two copies of the
book, one with one last name,

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and one of the other and I,
which wasn't sure, which one is

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the current woman's last name,
who wrote this right now, one of

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the names is hornberger.
And obviously, I use that for

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Reference for the Dorothea
Puente case but it's full of

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many other horrible women and as
I'm going through this book I

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see this picture and I have seen
this woman's face dozens of

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time.
I even talked about her crime on

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Tick-Tock, not that long ago.
I'm going to show you this

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picture because I'm sure you've
seen it too.

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Yes, in that sense, yes, I have
the picture of Gertrude

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baniszewski zest key that is a
ski we go.

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Mess it up all night.
Okay?

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But uh yeah and the thing is I
know her story.

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I know the fact that she
horrific lie, horribly tortured

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a teenage girl for months on end
between like 65 and 66 like

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crossing over the winter time
period.

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I know that, you know, her teen
children joined in, I discussed

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her.
What happened to her Her and her

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children on Tick-Tock who
participated.

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Yes, I remember that.
But one thing I have never ever

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looked into was, who the hell?
This weird lady must be.

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Hmm.
And so that was what I set out

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to do was to learn who she was
to see if there were any

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redeeming qualities and who she
might have been at some point in

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her life, doubt it.
You know, I'm gonna allow you

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and our listeners who decide how
you feel about her by the end of

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this.
All right, thanks to this shitty

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person was not surprising, not
surprising.

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But Gertrude businessess.
Key was born Gertrude van fossum

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in late September of 1929 to
Hue.

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Marcus van Fosston jr.
And Molly van fossen and

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Indianapolis Indiana.
Just a month before the New York

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Stock Exchange.
Would crash and plunge America

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into the worst financial crisis
anyone had ever seen.

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She was the third of six
children to a mixed-race family

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of Polish and Dutch origin.
In a world where no one had any

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money.
And there were too many children

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Gertrude was her father's
favorite.

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They had so little in terms of
resources that he tried to make

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up for it by showering her with
like a function.

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Something that kind of faintly
ignored her siblings but made

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her mother Mallie feel very
threatened.

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Hmm.
This was such a big deal in

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their household that Molly would
try and separate Gertrude from

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Hugh, even when Gertrude was
just a toddler, we're talking

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like two years old.
Wow, that obviously did not work

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very well.
If you've tried to separate a

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toddler who's obsessed with
someone, there's just screaming

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that happened.
Yeah.

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So when that didn't work, what
Molly started doing was whenever

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he wasn't around.
And she would just freeze her

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out.
She's wouldn't talk to her at

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all.
Why would you not try to build a

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relationship with her and try to
get her like, on your side, too?

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I think it's very peculiar when
an adult woman is envious of

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children, but it happens all the
time especially when people like

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got remarried and stuff.
So don't like the behavior of

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the, you know, oh, this person
spending more time with his

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daughter than me.
I see, like articles, like all

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the time on like, like dating.
Websites and on Reddit and like

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right at relationships.
So this is fairly common, it's

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just tragic, okay?
So Gertrude siblings were like,

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we don't really want to be on
the receiving end of this, so

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they decided to sort of side
with him, mom, of course.

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And so she very much group, like
she was an outsider, which

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didn't have the effect that That
they really wanted, because at

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that point, then it was like
Hugh was the only person who

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treated Gertrude like she was
little person, so she clung to

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him even more.
You didn't really understand

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what was happening because when
he came home, everything was

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normal.
And he didn't really ask his

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wife either.
But he just went well, she's

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being extra clingy when I come
home.

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So I must mean I need to give
her more attention.

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All right?
Yeah.

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I mean which is what is the
cycle that continued horrific

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lie?
That's shitty now.

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Yeah it is Molly, had complete
control of her other children

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and she very easily manipulated
them into bullying Gertrude.

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So that means that it began to
extend from home and to school

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and then the other van.
Fosston kids got other kids in

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school to bully her as well.
On top of that, the whole

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country is in the middle of the
Great Depression.

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He was cycling through jobs very
fast.

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He starts drinking to deal with
the feelings of inadequacy

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because he's struggling to take
care of his family.

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Molly, for some weird reason,
blames all of the troubles on

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Gertrude, but she knew that she
couldn't do anything overtly to

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her husband's favorite child
without making her husband

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angry.
Like I said, Gertrude haven't

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pretty terrible childhood, her
dad's doing his best to make her

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happy and then pretty much the
worst thing that can happen did.

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It's 1940 there in the kitchen
and Hugh and Gertrude are

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reading together.
She wasn't the best student, but

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she tried and then he falls over
and he has a massive heart

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attack.
Gertrude begin screaming.

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Molly runs into the Ian and the
two witnessed, his death

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eleven-year-old Gertrude.
I'm sure knew that things

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weren't going to get better for
her because Molly looked her in

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the face and said, what did you
do to him?

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Wow.
Yeah.

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Come on, hon.
So Gertrude was blamed for her

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father's death which is
completely irrational and like,

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you know, we've both lost
people.

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So you understand that when
you're in the throes of that

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kind of grief like that's, is it
surmountable?

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It's like hard enough to do
regular life things, but then to

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have somebody else going well,
it's your fault that person

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died.
That's awful.

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So she started having night
these night terrors, and without

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Hue to stop, Molly, Molly began
beating Her.

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Because her night terrors would
wake up the other children.

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That went on for the next three
years.

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Well he's not there anymore so
you don't have to be jealous of

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her anymore.
You can start being nice to her

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but now she's just shifted the
anger in a different way.

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You took my husband away from
me.

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I didn't do anything once that
you can't.

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It's that also ties into the
first time to you took my

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husband away from me because he
loved you too much.

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I gotta tell you don't, I don't
understand it does don't have

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babies if you're going to be
jealous of your bag.

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Please, like I said that one on
for three years and Gertrude

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kind of lived in this world
where her mother either ignored

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her or beat the crap out of her
and her siblings were like I,

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yeah, listen, we're just gonna
not do anything to help the

452
00:26:16,100 --> 00:26:22,500
situation Molly is obviously
deeply mentally unwell.

453
00:26:22,500 --> 00:26:28,100
But Doesn't matter at all.
Every problem in the house was a

454
00:26:28,100 --> 00:26:31,200
Gertrude problem to the point
where it became a joke among the

455
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,400
kids wear.
Well, first, it started out like

456
00:26:35,500 --> 00:26:38,500
oh there's not enough food in
the house Gertrude's eating too

457
00:26:38,500 --> 00:26:42,100
much and then the kids started
making jokes and like if one of

458
00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:44,800
them were somewhere else in the
house and they like tripped and

459
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,300
fell, they would like laugh and
go like a hog or tripped me.

460
00:26:48,300 --> 00:26:54,300
Hahahaha is not fucking here.
It's Things weren't much better

461
00:26:54,300 --> 00:26:59,000
but they were bad in a different
way at 14.

462
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,000
She started to have a little bit
of like happiness.

463
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:08,500
Mmm, this was weird because
Molly had done a really good job

464
00:27:08,500 --> 00:27:12,100
of poisoning.
The minds of the other moms and

465
00:27:12,100 --> 00:27:14,900
their little girls at school
would repeat all the rumors that

466
00:27:14,900 --> 00:27:18,700
Molly told way, wait a second,
the moms.

467
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:24,400
So she got no, she had other,
she would talk and talk shit

468
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,000
about her daughter.
Yes, true.

469
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,600
And then, the daughters would
find out from their moms and I

470
00:27:28,608 --> 00:27:30,000
will get repeated at school.
I'm all right now.

471
00:27:30,300 --> 00:27:36,200
Okay, wrong so but here's the
thing, 14.

472
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,900
Gertrude's hitting puberty.
Mmm.

473
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,200
And while the little boys were
pretty uninterested before then.

474
00:27:43,300 --> 00:27:44,700
Oh, he hit her hard like a
truck.

475
00:27:44,700 --> 00:27:46,500
Hey, we're very interested in
now.

476
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,500
And unfortunately, this is very
much like her getting the

477
00:27:51,700 --> 00:27:54,800
attention from her father, only
from teen boys.

478
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,000
Oh no, this is, oh God, this is
gonna be bad.

479
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,900
So the boys would be like really
interested in her and like lunch

480
00:28:01,900 --> 00:28:04,400
and want to sit next to her.
And the thing is mind, you

481
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,900
Molly's talking all the other
moms, so her their daughters

482
00:28:08,900 --> 00:28:11,500
would be like, all the boys are
focusing on Gertrude.

483
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,300
So then she would come home and
Molly would be like, super upset

484
00:28:15,300 --> 00:28:16,400
with her.
She's like, you're talking to

485
00:28:16,408 --> 00:28:18,200
boys, you know.
Your slut.

486
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,600
How do you know if someone was
your high school and Grocers

487
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,900
confused, because she's like,
what am I doing?

488
00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:25,900
That's wrong.
Other than just talking to

489
00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:28,700
people who are like jiggling
around me.

490
00:28:28,700 --> 00:28:31,300
Like, if people who want to be
my friends, want to be nice to

491
00:28:31,300 --> 00:28:33,500
me.
Teenage boys.

492
00:28:33,500 --> 00:28:39,100
Were like, yeah, we all know
anything yet.

493
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:44,900
It's me.
Oh, God Somali would yell at her

494
00:28:44,900 --> 00:28:49,000
about being seen with boys.
I'm like at this point, Gertrude

495
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,300
knows.
Absolutely nothing about sex.

496
00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:54,400
She understand why her mom was
mad at her but at this point

497
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,400
like she just didn't care.
She's like, what are you going

498
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,900
to do to me?
Molly beat my ass some more.

499
00:28:59,900 --> 00:29:05,000
Mmm.
So yes it progressed with the

500
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,100
boys and very quickly Gertrude
is very popular with them and

501
00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:11,400
the same girls who are with who
whispered about her in the

502
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,300
hallway for the last, like five
years are now, kind of worried

503
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,500
that girl truths gonna steal
your boyfriend because Gertrude

504
00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:21,100
will let the boys touch her
under her shirt.

505
00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:26,800
Oh, And the thing is she's never
was a great Beauty.

506
00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:30,200
Okay.
And she didn't have a whole lot

507
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,900
of a personality, because she
lived virtually and isolation in

508
00:29:33,900 --> 00:29:37,800
her house inside, right?
Yeah, like I said she left the

509
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,300
boys touch her and she touched
them.

510
00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:43,800
It's still pretty chased.
In my opinion honestly like it

511
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,200
14.
You're just touched a little

512
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,700
boobies.
Like that's really not the

513
00:29:46,700 --> 00:29:51,600
worst.
But rumors that she was doing

514
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,200
way, way, way more.
We're obviously spreading

515
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:55,700
because that's a high school.
Works course.

516
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,700
The teachers were like talking
about her like oh, she's

517
00:29:58,700 --> 00:30:00,600
definitely gonna get Knocked Up,
you know how they talk.

518
00:30:02,500 --> 00:30:05,500
And the worst part here is like
the rumor mill, actually, only

519
00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:09,300
made her life better because not
only was it like, the, The

520
00:30:09,500 --> 00:30:12,700
Freshman boys, but now, the
rumor was that she was the girl

521
00:30:12,700 --> 00:30:15,800
who would go all the way.
So the older boys started

522
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,200
talking like, looking at her and
she had even more attention on

523
00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:19,100
her.
Yeah.

524
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,900
So at 15 Gertrude start dating
pretty much her mom's like

525
00:30:24,900 --> 00:30:27,500
you're forbidden.
Like you can't do that and she's

526
00:30:27,500 --> 00:30:29,500
just like I can do it.
I want to have fun.

527
00:30:31,700 --> 00:30:35,900
Some of the boys or men who
would come to pick her up range

528
00:30:35,900 --> 00:30:41,300
from the ages of 17 to 23
unsurprisingly because the only

529
00:30:41,300 --> 00:30:44,300
positive relationship she's ever
had, was with an older man.

530
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,300
She was drawn to older men and
they were drawn to her because

531
00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:50,300
of what everybody was saying
about her, which wasn't true,

532
00:30:50,300 --> 00:30:53,000
and that's why the next section
is awful.

533
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,600
Great.
So Gertrude 16 she drops out of

534
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,200
school packs of a couple things
of the house and gets married.

535
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,800
A man named John Ben has house
key, they'd only been dating for

536
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,500
a few months.
They had done virtually nothing

537
00:31:06,500 --> 00:31:09,500
together.
This was pretty much the only

538
00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:12,700
option you have in 1945.
If you want to start a new life,

539
00:31:13,100 --> 00:31:16,200
find a man somewhere else.
Hmm, their wedding was super

540
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,500
small.
It only had John's family.

541
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,600
Gertrude really didn't have many
friends and her mother was so

542
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,700
loud about how she didn't
approve of John.

543
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,300
So she wasn't invited.
How old was he?

544
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,200
He was 18.
Okay. 926.

545
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,000
No, he was not one of the super
old one, got it.

546
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:38,000
So he was also a police deputy
and Indianapolis and although he

547
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,100
wasn't making a lot of money.
The local bank was like, you

548
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:43,700
know, he's a cop will give him
the loan.

549
00:31:43,900 --> 00:31:48,400
So they got a house and moved
into a nice little Suburban,

550
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,300
home on the edge of Indianapolis
and they went on a honeymoon in

551
00:31:52,300 --> 00:31:58,500
Ohio, I just got to tell you oh
hi is not what I think of when I

552
00:31:58,508 --> 00:32:00,200
think of a honey.
No, Ohio.

553
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,400
But you know what?
Maybe Cleveland was you know, we

554
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,700
love Ohio, even was a little bit
better than you.

555
00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:09,900
You know, how does the greatest?
I mean I have my constant there

556
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,700
so you know, there's a big, the
music festival.

557
00:32:12,700 --> 00:32:16,300
Yeah, so that's there's, that's
why I label Heil, but okay.

558
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,900
Well very quickly after their
honeymoon, thanks began to sour.

559
00:32:20,700 --> 00:32:23,000
Gertrude didn't know how to be a
wife.

560
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,300
Let alone a housewife.
She had been taught almost

561
00:32:27,300 --> 00:32:29,800
nothing from her mother other
than how to like clean.

562
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,400
She couldn't cook and worst of
all for John.

563
00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:38,200
He had heard all these raunchy
tales about Gertrude being this

564
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,900
sexual minks and she was not
experienced it all there.

565
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,500
Usually, you do this and that
and this and that and know who I

566
00:32:46,500 --> 00:32:47,700
don't know what you're talking
about.

567
00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:51,200
What's that?
Well, so she did know how to

568
00:32:51,208 --> 00:32:53,000
clean like I said, because her
mom for sure to clean

569
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,700
everything.
So then she would get mad

570
00:32:55,700 --> 00:32:57,700
because John will come home and
he would just, like, throw his

571
00:32:57,700 --> 00:32:59,700
stuff everywhere because he's a
teenage boy.

572
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,800
And so they're having arguments
about different things.

573
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,400
So they're having like, she's
arguing about him being messy,

574
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:13,800
he's like you suck at sex and
you also cook awful.

575
00:33:14,500 --> 00:33:16,100
He's like, you can't cook at
all.

576
00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:18,200
What's wrong with you?
My God, they've been together

577
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,600
for a year now.
He's like, she's a terrible

578
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,600
wife.
He's like, I have been sold a

579
00:33:23,608 --> 00:33:29,000
bill, terrible Goods.
I've been so so many lies.

580
00:33:29,100 --> 00:33:30,100
He's laying.
He is.

581
00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:33,100
Stand on the throne of Lies.
Oh my God.

582
00:33:34,100 --> 00:33:37,800
The SEC situation only got worse
because here's the thing.

583
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,700
So Gertrude's family was hyper
really like super religious

584
00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:43,500
which is very common of the time
in the early 1900's in America.

585
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,900
So she's like sex is a mortal
sin and so she very much began

586
00:33:48,900 --> 00:33:51,500
to look at it like it was a
chore in her marriage so that

587
00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:56,000
she just had to do.
And the thing is, when she was a

588
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,600
teenager, she was clumsily
touching other teenagers.

589
00:34:02,900 --> 00:34:06,700
John's not a teenager at this
point, he's 19.

590
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,300
Okay, he had some experience
before they got married, he was

591
00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:13,800
expecting to get something
better than he got before.

592
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,900
Sir.
Just teach her what you know in

593
00:34:15,900 --> 00:34:17,900
your good to go.
Well, the other issue is that

594
00:34:17,900 --> 00:34:20,400
like when I say she thought it
was a mortal sin, he was

595
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,400
expecting some level of.
Like I'm interested in being

596
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,800
here from her.
He is not interested.

597
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,100
She's just like I have to do
this because this is my this is

598
00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:32,000
what God Said, I have to do, my
report should make a baby.

599
00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:37,699
Yeah, so he's like I've been
hoodwinked Bamboozled and he

600
00:34:37,699 --> 00:34:41,400
like openly lets her know that
he's not happy, which only makes

601
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:46,300
her want to have sex Less.
In fact, she would remain almost

602
00:34:46,300 --> 00:34:53,400
motionless while they will.
Call it make love really.

603
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,699
It became a situation where John
just sort of used her body and

604
00:34:56,699 --> 00:35:02,900
then went to sleep.
If and if she denied him Then he

605
00:35:02,900 --> 00:35:04,800
would probably punch her in the
face.

606
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,100
So he got either.
I'm just gonna lay here and let

607
00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:12,600
it happen or her being like,
please let me go to sleep and if

608
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,700
she didn't, he would hit her and
then she would just be like,

609
00:35:15,700 --> 00:35:17,100
fine, whatever do it you're
going to do.

610
00:35:18,900 --> 00:35:23,200
And then those beatings
continued out of the out of the

611
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:29,300
bedroom specifically, whenever
he said that she annoyed him,

612
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,800
which could be anything.
Literally, anybody can do you

613
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,900
for anything?
God.

614
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:42,900
Well, And then she got pregnant.
Hooray.

615
00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:44,600
You don't have to have sex for a
while.

616
00:35:44,700 --> 00:35:46,900
That is exactly it.
So the to begin to go through

617
00:35:46,900 --> 00:35:51,600
this periods of happiness and
also struggle when virtue was

618
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,200
pregnant.
She began to focus on like the

619
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,200
nutrition for her in the baby so
she started cooking better.

620
00:35:58,300 --> 00:36:01,700
Oh great.
And then she would clean the

621
00:36:01,700 --> 00:36:04,100
house constantly regardless of
what he did.

622
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,700
Because she said that she
learned that you know, newborns

623
00:36:07,700 --> 00:36:09,600
can get infections really easy.
Ali.

624
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,900
So she was like hyper cleaning
the house cooking like these.

625
00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:17,000
Excellent meals.
John's like this seems.

626
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,000
Alright.
Then the baby's born and John's

627
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,900
like oh she doesn't want to like
deal with me at all.

628
00:36:24,900 --> 00:36:28,600
Now she's focusing all of her
attention on the baby.

629
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:31,900
Baby.
Girl Paula.

630
00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:35,500
And so almost in a weird ironic
way.

631
00:36:35,500 --> 00:36:39,100
There's the same kind of
jealousy, so it's just reverse.

632
00:36:39,100 --> 00:36:43,000
Yeah.
But in reverse and pretty much

633
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,600
the only time John wouldn't beat
her was when she was pregnant,

634
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,600
and she spent most of the next
decade of their relationship

635
00:36:49,900 --> 00:36:51,200
pregnant.
Mmm.

636
00:36:52,700 --> 00:36:55,300
Finally, she got pregnant four
times finally.

637
00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:59,400
She divorced him in 1955 and she
got married to a man.

638
00:36:59,500 --> 00:37:04,000
Named Edward Guthrie, a few
years later, he was unemployed

639
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,100
and very into the fact that
Gertrude was getting a very

640
00:37:07,100 --> 00:37:13,600
large child support stipend for
for kids Edward, actively hated

641
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,500
her children.
So you, yeah, you love the

642
00:37:17,500 --> 00:37:22,800
money, but you hate to kids so
much so that after he got a job,

643
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,100
he moved out three months after
they got married, and he stood

644
00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:32,300
in the courtroom and told the
judge, I don't like the kids.

645
00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:34,000
That's why we're getting a
divorce.

646
00:37:34,300 --> 00:37:37,200
Wow, and she was just like, you
know what?

647
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:42,100
Fine go.
Wow, he's good chillin.

648
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,700
You know.
Things are things are doing, all

649
00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:53,900
right. one day, Gertrude's
walking around town, and she

650
00:37:53,900 --> 00:38:01,900
sees John, and she's just like,
well, you know, I suppose you

651
00:38:01,900 --> 00:38:05,900
could come hang out you know the
kids do like seeing you mmm so

652
00:38:05,900 --> 00:38:11,600
he visits more often now she's a
lot more experienced after

653
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,000
having been single for a little
while I'm sure she is.

654
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,500
So he's a little happier in that
department.

655
00:38:16,900 --> 00:38:23,200
Oh hang out those you should
have quote it started out with

656
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,700
the kids being like really
excited to see him and like sure

657
00:38:25,700 --> 00:38:28,400
you can come have dinner with us
and be around the children and

658
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,300
then the children go to sleep
and Then we want to come stay

659
00:38:31,300 --> 00:38:35,500
with me, then it became John
moved back in and got the hang

660
00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:37,500
out hang out.
They got to hang out, hang out.

661
00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:40,900
They would have drinks and she
would show him her new tricks

662
00:38:41,300 --> 00:38:49,700
and and they got married again.
Oh God, okay, things were going,

663
00:38:49,700 --> 00:38:54,400
all right. he was like, we have
these four kids were good, but

664
00:38:54,400 --> 00:39:02,500
obviously, In like, you know I'm
going to say like the late 50s

665
00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:06,000
we were real good with
contraception.

666
00:39:07,100 --> 00:39:09,500
I mean for real people aren't
very great at now.

667
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,900
This is true she got pregnant
again.

668
00:39:15,900 --> 00:39:18,100
But she also had that she had a
miscarriage.

669
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:24,800
She did not handle that.
Well, and John was not very

670
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,700
supportive because they had
stopped having sex, but they had

671
00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:31,400
stopped having sex because she
was depressed.

672
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,300
Yeah, they started to hit her
again.

673
00:39:35,900 --> 00:39:39,300
She got pregnant.
Again, this happened seven for

674
00:39:39,300 --> 00:39:42,600
seven more years.
She's get depressed.

675
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,500
Get pregnant, feel better.
The cycle would go on during the

676
00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:50,100
seven years ago, they did have
two more children this time

677
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:51,600
though.
John filed for divorce.

678
00:39:51,900 --> 00:39:54,300
He was like yeah, you know what?
This was a bad idea.

679
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,100
It only took you seven years
buddy, but whatever, you know

680
00:39:58,100 --> 00:40:00,300
those are for the sex and sex
was great.

681
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,400
It must have been listening,
Gertrude busted.

682
00:40:03,500 --> 00:40:07,600
Hit him with that wall because
that's how I.

683
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,800
Yeah.
But now she's single with six

684
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,600
children.
It's 1963.

685
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,100
She's 37 years old.
She has no income outside of her

686
00:40:18,100 --> 00:40:22,000
child support and she's becoming
slowly very unstable.

687
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,700
She can't seem to hold a job
herself.

688
00:40:24,700 --> 00:40:27,800
She can't afford the mortgage
payments, then she meets this

689
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,000
man named Dennis, right.
And he's 22 years old and

690
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:36,100
married at the time.
She was a lot older than him and

691
00:40:36,100 --> 00:40:39,000
she definitely abused the crap
out of that.

692
00:40:39,100 --> 00:40:47,400
Oh, the day that Dennis is wife
moved out of his house Gertrude

693
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:54,700
moved in with all six kids.
Mmm-hmm, Dennis was an alcoholic

694
00:40:54,700 --> 00:40:59,200
prone to outbursts, but he was
very happy with sacks.

695
00:41:00,700 --> 00:41:02,300
And he was like, you know what,
who cares.

696
00:41:02,300 --> 00:41:04,700
I'll pay for this.
Big-ass family, I'm getting laid

697
00:41:04,700 --> 00:41:09,900
like crazy the house, but the
problem was actually a couple

698
00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:12,200
weeks.
The house, never got cleaned

699
00:41:12,700 --> 00:41:15,900
and, and Dennis was kind of
freaked out because she was

700
00:41:15,900 --> 00:41:19,300
getting kind of weird and terms
of her emotional place in life.

701
00:41:20,100 --> 00:41:23,900
So, he actually plans like this
elaborate Escape, like, it was

702
00:41:23,908 --> 00:41:25,500
like a month.
He was like, all right, listen,

703
00:41:25,700 --> 00:41:27,800
he's like if I try and break up
with her, she's just going to

704
00:41:27,808 --> 00:41:31,100
try and seduce me and like, then
I'm gonna be stuck with her some

705
00:41:31,100 --> 00:41:39,300
more so um, one night, he comes
home and the kids are nowhere.

706
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,900
The house is spotless.
Dinner is a maid.

707
00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:49,900
They have a nice meal, they go
upstairs, they have sex.

708
00:41:50,500 --> 00:41:55,000
And she's like, hey you know,
have you thought about like a

709
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,700
family with us in the future and
he's like, I don't want kids,

710
00:41:57,700 --> 00:42:00,600
what are you talking about?
You have six kids, we got enough

711
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,900
kids and she says, to him pretty
much how you should have thought

712
00:42:04,900 --> 00:42:07,400
about that before.
Oh, she pregnant.

713
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,600
Yeah, up.
And that is also the first night

714
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:14,600
that Dennis hit her He actually
beat her to the he tried to make

715
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,000
her Miss Carey.
This was like a brutal beating.

716
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,300
What is wrong with your whole
look.

717
00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:25,100
But I guess that wasn't on that
aside because she did have a

718
00:42:25,100 --> 00:42:27,800
baby nine months later.
Oh my God and she named him

719
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,700
Dennis Junior.
And when she returned home from

720
00:42:31,700 --> 00:42:35,400
the hospital Dennis right?
Senior was gone.

721
00:42:37,300 --> 00:42:41,600
You not just gone but completely
vanished you could have done

722
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,900
this before.
Yeah like doll of hitting her.

723
00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:51,700
Hey Maritza like 1960 link are
you know, it's like 60 you know

724
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,100
okay well two times social and
done it anyway.

725
00:42:54,100 --> 00:42:59,900
It's Irish and If she tries to
tell people, she's a widow.

726
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:07,500
Hmm she she tries to tell people
that she's trying to tell come

727
00:43:07,500 --> 00:43:09,000
up with any story.
They do.

728
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,300
We got married.
He's just gone for a little

729
00:43:11,300 --> 00:43:13,800
while but the problem is like
she's really struggling like I

730
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:18,000
think that cycle of having the
constant miscarriages did

731
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:25,200
something to her brain.
I can only imagine how many must

732
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:31,000
have happened.
So it got to the point where

733
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,200
sometimes she'd be telling
people stories about Dennis and

734
00:43:34,300 --> 00:43:38,600
mid-conversation she would
change while he was gone and she

735
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:44,000
didn't realize she was doing it.
And probably the nicest thing

736
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,900
that happens in this entire
story, the neighbors realize

737
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,900
that she definitely is incapable
of keeping a job at this point.

738
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,300
And they suddenly are like, you
know, what Gertrude you have all

739
00:43:57,300 --> 00:43:59,100
those kids.
You're really good with kids.

740
00:43:59,100 --> 00:44:02,100
Can you watch our kids and hey
Gertrude?

741
00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:04,100
Your house is always really
neat.

742
00:44:04,100 --> 00:44:06,400
I see your laundry.
It looks so nice.

743
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,100
Do you want to come help me with
my laundry?

744
00:44:08,100 --> 00:44:10,400
I'll pay you.
That's nice and yeah, pretty

745
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,600
much her.
A come up with a plan to help

746
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,200
fund all of these children
because they know that she

747
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:20,000
cannot do it.
She babysat.

748
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:26,700
She washed clothes at 1967.
She has seven children.

749
00:44:26,700 --> 00:44:29,900
Total Paula who 17, Stephanie
15?

750
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:35,500
John 12, Marie 11.
Surely 10 James 8, and Dennis

751
00:44:35,500 --> 00:44:39,000
Lee, right?
Junior, who is one John's child

752
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:43,000
support payments.
Are not coming as often as they

753
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,600
should have been.
Hmm, because he got mad after he

754
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:51,000
heard about her.
Fling with a younger man and my

755
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,900
movie buddy.
And during this time, Paul is

756
00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:58,000
oldest daughter.
I mean Gertrude oldest daughter.

757
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,300
Paula becomes kind of the
matriarch of the family.

758
00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:05,400
Her mom is fully breaking down
at this point.

759
00:45:06,500 --> 00:45:11,800
I Gertrude is chain-smoking.
Barely eating losing Her

760
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:16,700
connection to what is real.
Her hair is receding, do to just

761
00:45:16,700 --> 00:45:22,200
know nutrition.
Her eyes are sunken in and to

762
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:26,100
Paula, it seemed like Gertrude
was pretty good with being

763
00:45:26,100 --> 00:45:29,400
miserable.
She would monitor, or the only

764
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,500
reason why she monitored her
children was that she didn't

765
00:45:32,500 --> 00:45:36,100
want them to get pregnant.
That was like her biggest fear

766
00:45:36,100 --> 00:45:39,200
and something she began to
fixate on like you can't go with

767
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:40,700
boys.
You're going to get pregnant

768
00:45:40,700 --> 00:45:42,700
like one time.
I'm I guess like Paulo was in

769
00:45:42,700 --> 00:45:45,200
her room with a boy, and here's
the problem.

770
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,600
Like with this whole situation
with her and the I don't want

771
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,200
you to get pregnant, she allowed
like any kids in the

772
00:45:52,207 --> 00:45:55,300
neighborhood to hang out in her
house and she mainly laid in her

773
00:45:55,300 --> 00:45:59,000
bed and smoked and drank and did
nothing and occasionally, she

774
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,000
would come out and unluckily for
Paula that one day.

775
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,000
A boy in your room, she had a
boy in her room and her mom,

776
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,700
like burst of the door and it's
like centers, like just

777
00:46:08,700 --> 00:46:15,900
screaming at her. and finally,
like Paula's, I like Gertrude's

778
00:46:15,900 --> 00:46:22,400
like Stop bothering me.
Stop cleaning the house.

779
00:46:23,500 --> 00:46:27,200
Stop trying to make me eat food.
Oh wow, I'll let anybody come

780
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:28,300
through here.
I don't care.

781
00:46:29,500 --> 00:46:35,200
And so the kids are like Mochi
and then there's a situation

782
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,600
where Paula went out and she
ended up in a hotel with a man.

783
00:46:40,900 --> 00:46:45,500
And after they did the deed, he
put his wedding ring back on.

784
00:46:46,300 --> 00:46:48,800
She did not know and she was
very upset.

785
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:54,500
Sao Paulo is absolutely pregnant
and Turner currently in the

786
00:46:54,508 --> 00:46:57,800
house with her mom.
Trying to hide said pregnancy.

787
00:46:59,300 --> 00:47:02,200
The house is now the place for
every teenager to come and get

788
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,100
into trouble, even though it is
a complete mess.

789
00:47:07,900 --> 00:47:11,100
This is also the time when Paula
meets the like and sisters

790
00:47:11,500 --> 00:47:15,300
Sylvia.
And Jenny, she meets them to one

791
00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:17,700
of her friends named Darlene.
Sylvie is a little bit younger

792
00:47:17,700 --> 00:47:23,900
than Paula and Jenny and had a,
and Jenny is younger than Paula

793
00:47:24,100 --> 00:47:29,400
has a leg brace from which he
had Polio Darlene was out and

794
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,600
realized that they were pretty
much homeless and brought them

795
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,100
to her house and then convince
his Paula to take them with her

796
00:47:35,300 --> 00:47:37,600
because she's like, well, your
mom doesn't Care who's there at

797
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,700
the house.
So this totally works they can

798
00:47:39,700 --> 00:47:43,800
just hang with you.
They all sit in Paula's room and

799
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,700
Jenny and Sylvia kind of tell
them about how like the night

800
00:47:47,700 --> 00:47:51,100
before.
Their mom had them pack up, all

801
00:47:51,100 --> 00:47:53,100
their stuff and run away from
her father.

802
00:47:53,100 --> 00:47:57,100
Lester Lester had hit mom mom's
name is Betty.

803
00:47:57,500 --> 00:48:02,300
So Betty grab the girls and ran
they get to Indianapolis after

804
00:48:02,300 --> 00:48:05,600
taking a bus and they have no
money and so bad.

805
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,900
He's like okay.
I'm gonna go steal something

806
00:48:07,900 --> 00:48:10,000
from me from the store gets
arrested.

807
00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:15,600
So then Sylvia pulls Jani away
because she's like, if they find

808
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,400
out we're with her and we don't
have an adult, we're going to

809
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,500
just get locked up to.
Yeah.

810
00:48:19,500 --> 00:48:22,800
So they end up just kind of
wandering around Indianapolis

811
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,300
and that's where they ended up
meeting.

812
00:48:25,300 --> 00:48:31,800
Darlene.
Sao Paulo is like come with me.

813
00:48:31,900 --> 00:48:34,700
And she has Sylvia go tell her
mom the same story and her

814
00:48:34,700 --> 00:48:37,800
bedroom Gertrude's leg.
Okay, well how about this?

815
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,400
Stay the night tomorrow, we'll
go look around.

816
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,100
The police will go the police
precincts and find out where

817
00:48:43,100 --> 00:48:46,300
your mom is.
True to her word, the next

818
00:48:46,300 --> 00:48:49,000
morning at like 10:00 11:00
Gertrude's.

819
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,400
Like, all right, we're going to
go find your mom and there's a

820
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,100
knock on the door.
There is Darlene and Lester

821
00:48:55,100 --> 00:48:58,100
lichens.
Who had tracked his wife to

822
00:48:58,100 --> 00:49:01,000
Indianapolis?
Because what happened is that

823
00:49:01,900 --> 00:49:04,400
when she got arrested, she gave
them Lester's.

824
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,500
Number They had gone.
He went to County Jail.

825
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:14,500
They reconciled across the glass
while they're in prison course.

826
00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:16,000
I love you.
I love you too.

827
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:20,700
I'm so sorry.
He tells Gertrude I have friends

828
00:49:20,700 --> 00:49:24,200
who work for a traveling circus
and we're going to go work for

829
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,700
them and make really good money,
but we don't want to take the

830
00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:29,100
girls all around like the area
with us.

831
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:35,200
So what if we pay you 20 bucks?
And they can live here, clean

832
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,500
books, a day a week.
Okay.

833
00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:41,800
And Gertrude's pretty excited
because she's like, huh, $20 and

834
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:47,600
cigarette money dope Paula made
it seem like she was happy.

835
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,000
These two girls are going to
stay in her room but the real

836
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,200
issue is that like Paula's
hiding a pregnancy and it's real

837
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,000
hard to hide that from two other
girls who are your same age.

838
00:49:56,100 --> 00:49:57,900
There's things that should be
happening.

839
00:49:58,100 --> 00:50:01,000
That aren't gonna happen.
Yeah.

840
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,400
The first week things are doing
are pretty good Sylvia and Jenny

841
00:50:06,500 --> 00:50:08,900
get set up in the new school
year.

842
00:50:08,900 --> 00:50:14,000
Following the house rules.
One day, they come home to a

843
00:50:14,008 --> 00:50:20,200
strangely Silent House.
And I am going to give anyone

844
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,400
listening the pause.
This is the trigger warning,

845
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,600
pause.
I'm not even going to go into

846
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,700
all of the things that happened
to Sylvia Likens.

847
00:50:29,700 --> 00:50:34,800
From this point forward I'm only
going to hit the highlights of

848
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,800
the next like year of this poor
girl's life for folks who don't

849
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,800
want to listen.
There will be liner notes, just

850
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:46,700
know that torture happens and it
goes on for quite a long time.

851
00:50:49,300 --> 00:50:50,100
Ready.
Brian.

852
00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:51,500
No.
Okay.

853
00:50:51,900 --> 00:50:54,100
I'm just like, okay, Haley.
He were right.

854
00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:55,700
I gotta be here.
Let's go.

855
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,700
So, since the two girls aren't
really sure, why the house is

856
00:50:59,700 --> 00:51:01,500
quiet and they're like, oh no,
did we break a rule or

857
00:51:01,500 --> 00:51:04,400
something?
They go up to Paula's room, and

858
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:09,200
Paula and Gertrude her there.
And Gertrude is enraged.

859
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,600
She's like, your dad told me
this money would be here on this

860
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:16,700
date.
She called grab Sylvia throws

861
00:51:16,700 --> 00:51:18,900
her onto the pile of clothes.
She said, be nice.

862
00:51:18,900 --> 00:51:20,500
Not even a bed.
It's like a pallet.

863
00:51:20,500 --> 00:51:25,300
No, and Gertrude like like they
pull down her underwear and

864
00:51:25,300 --> 00:51:27,100
begin just like hitting her with
a spoon.

865
00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:30,700
Then they grab Jenny, do the
same thing.

866
00:51:30,700 --> 00:51:33,300
Hits them on there, like thighs,
and legs.

867
00:51:33,300 --> 00:51:35,800
And she ends the beating by
telling the girls.

868
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,400
If your father doesn't pay me,
you get beat.

869
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,900
Gertrude takes pleasure in this.
She even tells the girls right

870
00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:49,500
before she leaves.
If he hasn't paid me by the end

871
00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:52,500
of the week, I'm writing you
girls out a dollar a ride until

872
00:51:52,500 --> 00:51:54,800
the money shows up.
What's that mean?

873
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,200
She's gonna prostitute them for
a dollar.

874
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,500
A guy.
Oh there's a Dollar Ride.

875
00:51:59,500 --> 00:52:01,100
That's what she said.
A dollar ride until I make my

876
00:52:01,100 --> 00:52:03,800
money.
Oh she meant ride in that way.

877
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:08,900
Oh oh okay.
The worst part is Lester's.

878
00:52:08,900 --> 00:52:10,600
Check arrived in.
The next morning.

879
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,600
It literally got delayed in the
post.

880
00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:16,900
Now, don't you feel silly?
You feel stupid for being these

881
00:52:16,900 --> 00:52:21,900
children that are even yours.
Well, the situation though, is

882
00:52:21,900 --> 00:52:27,800
that what she realizes is she
likes how powerful she feels.

883
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:33,300
So now it's not going to stop
the next meeting came when like

884
00:52:33,300 --> 00:52:37,500
and sisters realized that they
could sell like old Coke bottles

885
00:52:37,700 --> 00:52:40,200
like those old school thick
glass ones because they Would

886
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,300
recycle them and just reuse them
and they would get really good

887
00:52:43,300 --> 00:52:45,000
money for them.
So they went and they bought a

888
00:52:45,008 --> 00:52:46,500
bunch of food and candy and
stuff.

889
00:52:46,500 --> 00:52:51,700
And this is actually really
messed up because Jenny was

890
00:52:51,700 --> 00:52:55,000
like, oh we got to eat all this
and Sylvia was like no, no, no.

891
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,200
We should take some back to the
other luggage children, you

892
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:01,000
know.
And so they come back and they

893
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:05,400
give the money to the other kids
and Gertrude is like you stole

894
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,700
that and Sylvia's like no this
is my own money.

895
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,500
Annie.
Jenny who is still raw from the

896
00:53:13,500 --> 00:53:16,400
other beating is silent.
Paula.

897
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:21,100
And Stephanie come in and watch
as Gertrude just like chance,

898
00:53:21,100 --> 00:53:22,900
like, Thief.
A liar.

899
00:53:22,900 --> 00:53:25,500
Thief liar.
And the other two girls join in.

900
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,700
Finally, Jenny, tell a mind, you
the whole time.

901
00:53:28,700 --> 00:53:32,100
She's doing this, she's hitting
her, mmm, finally, Jenny told

902
00:53:32,100 --> 00:53:36,800
Gertrude that, they'd stolen the
candy that way to stop the

903
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:41,300
beating.
From this point on Jenny and

904
00:53:41,300 --> 00:53:43,100
Sylvia try to be perfect
houseguest.

905
00:53:43,500 --> 00:53:45,700
They are silent.
They try to be a bother.

906
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,100
They try to avoid Gertrude
entirely and just go to school.

907
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,000
They even stopped trying to
really make friends because

908
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,300
they're worried about the fact
that the like is children's of

909
00:53:55,300 --> 00:53:57,500
always goes, gone to these
holes, right?

910
00:53:59,500 --> 00:54:03,700
Gertrude is not feeding them.
Like barely at all.

911
00:54:04,700 --> 00:54:08,400
So one night all the kids have
to go to this church function in

912
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,900
place of Gertrude going because
Gertrude doesn't go anywhere.

913
00:54:10,900 --> 00:54:13,900
She just lays in her filth and
enjoys being an awful person,

914
00:54:13,900 --> 00:54:16,600
right?
The local preacher notices that

915
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,800
both Jenny and Sylvia seem a
little weak, and it had been

916
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,100
three days since either of them
had eaten anything.

917
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,000
So when the preacher offered
them food, they couldn't say no

918
00:54:26,700 --> 00:54:29,900
and funny enough, Jenny was the
one who ended up kind of gorging

919
00:54:29,900 --> 00:54:32,600
herself on food.
But Sylvia was like, I need to

920
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,500
like show some restraint she
goes home Sylvia, tux, Jenny

921
00:54:36,500 --> 00:54:39,300
into bed and then she's like,
you know what, I should just go

922
00:54:39,300 --> 00:54:42,600
to sleep and then I guess she
sort of changed her mind and she

923
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,700
goes back downstairs.
There's Gertrude sitting with

924
00:54:46,700 --> 00:54:50,300
all of her children, Gertrude
calls her a pig, and it's just

925
00:54:50,300 --> 00:54:52,900
like, I heard you were out
bringing shame to my name again.

926
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,200
as if anyone could shave you
more than you've already been

927
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:03,100
Gertrude but regardless God.
Okay, Gertrude it right?

928
00:55:03,100 --> 00:55:06,800
Like so mad about the food thing
and how like oh people are going

929
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,400
to think that I didn't feed you,
you don't.

930
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,400
So she drags Sylvie into the
kitchen, pulls out a steel hot,

931
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,800
dog bun and like an old sausage
drenches, it and mustard, and

932
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:22,900
ketchup, and tries to force feed
her screaming the entire time

933
00:55:22,900 --> 00:55:24,400
about how Sylvia's gonna get
fat.

934
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,800
Nobody's going to want her.
She'll end up alone through this

935
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,700
process.
So, Via does begin to vomit and

936
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:37,000
Gertrude forces her to eat.
The finished, hot dog.

937
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,200
And then to eat the
regurgitated, hot dog again,

938
00:55:41,300 --> 00:55:45,900
like, like with her foot on her
leg back, dragging her head

939
00:55:45,900 --> 00:55:51,800
across the floor, terrible.
All of the baniszewski children

940
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,500
watched her do this, and then
Gertrude picked her up.

941
00:55:55,900 --> 00:55:59,100
Wiped her off and told her I
only punish you because I care

942
00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:03,200
about you.
Mind you, I'm going to.

943
00:56:03,207 --> 00:56:06,200
Also, let you know that a lot of
these stories come from

944
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:10,300
Stephanie Bennett's us key.
Because at the inevitable trial

945
00:56:10,300 --> 00:56:14,600
that happened, she when she was
the one that she turned on the

946
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,300
family and told everything.
So, these are the things that

947
00:56:17,300 --> 00:56:23,000
Stephanie was there to see.
A week later Sylvia meets with

948
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,200
Lester and Betty Gertrude
organizes this so that they

949
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:27,700
don't see the inside of the
house.

950
00:56:27,900 --> 00:56:30,600
The whole family gets on a bus
and goes to Garfield Park.

951
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:36,800
Bet, he's like, why are they so
skinny and Gertrude's like, oh

952
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,700
Paula's, like on a diet?
And so, the girls decided they

953
00:56:39,700 --> 00:56:44,700
were going to help her with it.
So they're on a diet to pretty

954
00:56:44,700 --> 00:56:50,600
much Gertrude lies and lies and
lies some more on On all the

955
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,900
while just stare in Sylvia
straight in the face.

956
00:56:55,000 --> 00:57:00,300
Daring her contradict me.
I dare you, Jenny hadn't

957
00:57:00,300 --> 00:57:05,000
witnessed the other the thing
that had just happened the week

958
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:09,300
before, so she was like, we're
fine.

959
00:57:09,300 --> 00:57:12,200
All that happened to Jenny was
she got spanked one time right?

960
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,400
It was weird because she's like
14.

961
00:57:14,700 --> 00:57:20,600
But you know in the end Betty
hugs her daughters and she's

962
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,000
like I'm so happy you guys just
started going to church.

963
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,500
That's amazing.
On the way home Gertrude's.

964
00:57:26,500 --> 00:57:28,700
Like this is great.
We're going to be friends now

965
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:34,600
and no well no friend.
I believe in and Jenny's

966
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,800
testimony.
She said was almost worse that

967
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:42,100
they believed her.
It's terrible because they let

968
00:57:42,100 --> 00:57:43,300
their guard down.
Yeah.

969
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,000
So they tried to be friendly
with Paula and Stephanie.

970
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:54,100
So I'm going to say that this is
when things go from the abuse

971
00:57:54,100 --> 00:57:57,500
that the kind of abuse that
Gertrude experience when she was

972
00:57:57,500 --> 00:58:00,200
younger into a completely
different territory.

973
00:58:01,500 --> 00:58:04,100
So all the teenagers are
downstairs in the living room

974
00:58:04,500 --> 00:58:06,900
and they're all talking about
their experiences with the

975
00:58:06,900 --> 00:58:07,900
opposite sex.
Okay.

976
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,900
So jenni's like I only kissed a
boy and like that was like a

977
00:58:10,900 --> 00:58:14,600
like a year ago and we never
talk to each other Sylvia is

978
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,700
like well when I lived in
Florida with my parents, I went

979
00:58:17,700 --> 00:58:22,100
steady with a boy and she said
that she let him touch her over

980
00:58:22,100 --> 00:58:27,100
her sweater and everyone's like
Gertrude's even there.

981
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:32,900
And she's like, oh, but when
Sylvia tells her story, Gertrude

982
00:58:32,900 --> 00:58:36,500
snaps, slaps, her in the face
calls her a whore in front of

983
00:58:36,508 --> 00:58:40,300
all the other kids.
Sylvia's like what I didn't?

984
00:58:40,300 --> 00:58:42,700
We mean I'm a whore.
I've never even had sex before.

985
00:58:42,700 --> 00:58:46,000
Yeah.
And she's like I have even gone

986
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,900
past first base but like
Gertrude, literally, like hits

987
00:58:48,900 --> 00:58:50,500
her so hard.
She falls to the floor.

988
00:58:50,900 --> 00:58:53,100
Her head hits the wall on the
way down.

989
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,400
She's screaming the entire time
and she's a prostitute.

990
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,700
Everybody knows the
neighborhood.

991
00:58:58,700 --> 00:59:01,500
Children are like the fuck is
going on.

992
00:59:04,300 --> 00:59:06,500
Gertrude's like oh I bet you're
pregnant right now.

993
00:59:06,500 --> 00:59:10,200
Anyway.
She's like, you know you let a

994
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,300
boy put his dirty Parts down
there.

995
00:59:12,300 --> 00:59:14,800
Like she's using some real area
language.

996
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:18,500
Yeah, really pillows.
Then Gertrude somehow like spins

997
00:59:18,500 --> 00:59:23,400
the story that obviously Sylvia
had accepted all that candy for

998
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,200
sex.
That's why she had that candy

999
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:33,200
and she's like, she's telling
this story like, Oh, I bet you.

1000
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:34,500
That's how you got all that
candy.

1001
00:59:34,500 --> 00:59:37,200
You must have like exchange
candy for sex.

1002
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:47,800
She is physically stomping on
Sylvia's scratch, like full, she

1003
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:51,200
demands that some of the
neighborhood boys, like hold

1004
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:57,400
Sylvia, what the and they do?
They hold her legs in place, so

1005
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:03,800
that Gertrude can continue like
kicking her at one point.

1006
01:00:03,900 --> 01:00:07,300
Like they got tired and like,
the one boy dropped her leg and

1007
01:00:07,300 --> 01:00:11,300
was like exhausted.
And so Sylvia manages to get up.

1008
01:00:11,500 --> 01:00:14,700
Barely able to stand, and she
goes to sit in a chair and

1009
01:00:14,700 --> 01:00:16,900
Gertrude grabs.
The chair like from out from

1010
01:00:16,900 --> 01:00:19,900
under her and literally says,
whores are unfit for chairs.

1011
01:00:19,900 --> 01:00:22,900
What the fuck.
And from that moment forward,

1012
01:00:22,900 --> 01:00:25,100
she was not allowed to sit
anywhere in the house.

1013
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,100
You're still listening.
It gets worse from here.

1014
01:00:28,300 --> 01:00:31,400
Gertrude would even come into
her bedroom and like, throw the

1015
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,900
little palette.
Across the room, come on, lay

1016
01:00:33,900 --> 01:00:36,300
down, fuck you.
We're gonna do obviously like a

1017
01:00:36,300 --> 01:00:39,300
horse, I'll stand up.
Well, the next thing that

1018
01:00:39,300 --> 01:00:44,500
happens is quite possibly, like
there's a discussion on this of

1019
01:00:44,500 --> 01:00:47,300
whether this rumor about the
baniszewski.

1020
01:00:47,300 --> 01:00:52,000
Kids came from Sylvia or if it
just came from the other kids

1021
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,400
being there at the house.
But regardless there, These

1022
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:56,900
rules.
There's these rumors about the

1023
01:00:56,900 --> 01:01:00,600
ban has a ski girls.
No one is like we can't say

1024
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,900
anything.
Like there's no rumors about

1025
01:01:03,900 --> 01:01:06,400
Sylvia because Sylvie is
literally like the most innocent

1026
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,400
of innocent.
They're at school, Paul.

1027
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,800
And Stephanie didn't hear these
rumors, but they knew something

1028
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:13,500
was going on because whenever
they would walk in a room,

1029
01:01:13,500 --> 01:01:15,700
people would get quiet.
Of course, you know people are

1030
01:01:15,700 --> 01:01:17,000
talking about you when that
happens.

1031
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:22,800
And the first rumors are that
the house is filthy, but it also

1032
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:26,000
has rumors about places that
other kids aren't allowed to go.

1033
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:28,300
That's why people thought it was
Sylvia.

1034
01:01:28,300 --> 01:01:33,200
The told these rumors, one teen
boy had the courage and his name

1035
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,300
was quite Hubbard.
He also was in love with

1036
01:01:36,300 --> 01:01:39,600
Stephanie so he decides he's
going to go right up to the

1037
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,900
baniszewski house.
Talk to Gertrude and he's like

1038
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:49,200
Sylvia and Jenny are spreading
lies about my girl and you What

1039
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,300
he did this.
He gasps he goes straight to the

1040
01:01:51,308 --> 01:01:54,800
house.
Oh, no Sylvia gets home from

1041
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,200
school and Coy is right in her
face.

1042
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,000
And he's like, why are you
talking shit about my

1043
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,100
girlfriend?
He's like, why'd you say

1044
01:02:01,100 --> 01:02:03,400
Stephanie's a slut as soon as
Daphne.

1045
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,000
Here's that she's like, wait,
what?

1046
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,100
Oh my god.
Oh, and Sylvia.

1047
01:02:07,100 --> 01:02:08,900
It's just like, I've never said
anything.

1048
01:02:08,900 --> 01:02:10,500
Why would I say anything about
you?

1049
01:02:10,500 --> 01:02:13,200
Like, I barely know you.
Yeah, I don't really care about

1050
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:14,900
you right now.
She's like, the rumors are could

1051
01:02:14,900 --> 01:02:16,500
have come from.
Any of the teenagers you allowed

1052
01:02:16,500 --> 01:02:18,200
to be in this place, right?
Right.

1053
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,400
As it is but like no one's
listening to her.

1054
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:26,000
Coy, who is studying Judo
proceeds to beat the ever living

1055
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:30,200
crap out of her and the other
issue is that Sylvia was

1056
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,900
underfed undernourished and had
never been in a fight in her

1057
01:02:32,900 --> 01:02:36,500
life.
Yeah, the other children watch

1058
01:02:36,500 --> 01:02:40,700
in silence.
Coy flips, her around the room,

1059
01:02:40,700 --> 01:02:43,200
several times before Gertrude's.
Like you're messing up my living

1060
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:46,200
room, kid, and then she walks
over opens the door to the

1061
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:47,700
basement and goes take her down
there.

1062
01:02:50,300 --> 01:02:52,000
Pretty much alone with her in
the basement.

1063
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,500
He just preacher like a human
punching bag.

1064
01:02:56,100 --> 01:02:58,900
When McCoy is exhausted, he
leaves the basement and

1065
01:02:58,900 --> 01:03:00,300
Gertrude's.
Like you know what?

1066
01:03:00,300 --> 01:03:02,200
You should come back for more
practice.

1067
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:11,200
Sylvia's show Steph, she can
barely move.

1068
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:14,900
She finally crawled her way,
back up the steps and Gertrude's

1069
01:03:14,900 --> 01:03:16,000
like.
Well it's not like anybody's

1070
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:20,300
going to believe what you're
saying about my kids Sylvia

1071
01:03:20,300 --> 01:03:22,900
stays home for a couple days,
Gertrude tells her school, she

1072
01:03:22,900 --> 01:03:26,900
has the flu most of the bruises
fade from purple to green and

1073
01:03:26,900 --> 01:03:30,800
they finally get to that ugly.
Yellow color and Stephanie

1074
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,600
Impala share their makeup with
Sylvia to help her hide her

1075
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:37,500
bruises.
Sylvia stops.

1076
01:03:37,500 --> 01:03:39,800
Talking really to mostly to
anybody at school.

1077
01:03:40,300 --> 01:03:42,000
She's like, I know one can say
that.

1078
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:47,000
I said something, if I never
talk at all, boy starts coming

1079
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:51,100
coming by regularly, he didn't
beat her up as badly as he did

1080
01:03:51,100 --> 01:03:54,000
the first night, but he does
still like flip her around.

1081
01:03:54,100 --> 01:03:57,000
Really like she's a judo doll
really.

1082
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:03,900
He just comes over and just So
Sylvia does make like one friend

1083
01:04:03,900 --> 01:04:08,600
despite the fact that she's
really trying not to all right.

1084
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,100
Yeah, name was Anna.
She was actually like a

1085
01:04:11,100 --> 01:04:14,800
freshman.
She's only 13 and she like

1086
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,100
Anna's just like I really want
to come see where you live and

1087
01:04:17,100 --> 01:04:19,700
like Sylvia's like no you don't.
Hmm.

1088
01:04:21,500 --> 01:04:24,800
So finally she can't give enough
excuses at this point.

1089
01:04:25,500 --> 01:04:28,700
She's like fine I'm sure animal
take one step into the house and

1090
01:04:28,700 --> 01:04:32,300
see the pile of garbage in the
living room and like Turn around

1091
01:04:33,100 --> 01:04:36,000
when they come in Gertrude in
the living room and she's so

1092
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,500
excited.
Oh my gosh, you have a friend.

1093
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,800
You should go get her a Coke and
we'll wait here in the living

1094
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:47,300
room for you when Sylvia walks
back in and attacks her.

1095
01:04:47,500 --> 01:04:51,400
What the hell Gertrude had told
Anna that Sylvia has been

1096
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:56,800
talking about her mother?
In just a minute Gertrude had

1097
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,900
removed, the only friend that
Sylvia.

1098
01:04:59,900 --> 01:05:03,700
Hey, why are you doing this?
So then Anna told other people

1099
01:05:03,700 --> 01:05:06,800
at school and now Sylvia's
really isolated there.

1100
01:05:07,500 --> 01:05:10,700
Other girls from school,
attacked her to based on things

1101
01:05:10,700 --> 01:05:15,000
that Gertrude said a few times
Sylvia, even try to defend

1102
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:16,500
herself.
She's like, listen, I don't know

1103
01:05:16,500 --> 01:05:18,200
you, why would I lie about your
family?

1104
01:05:18,700 --> 01:05:21,300
One night, I could grow was in
the living room.

1105
01:05:21,300 --> 01:05:24,500
Her name was Judy and Gertrude.
Is like, you know, she's been

1106
01:05:24,500 --> 01:05:28,500
talking all this stuff about you
and your mom and Gertrude was

1107
01:05:28,500 --> 01:05:32,300
just like, you know, you should
hit her for how what she says

1108
01:05:32,300 --> 01:05:35,100
about you and Judy was like I'm
not going to do that.

1109
01:05:35,100 --> 01:05:37,400
Like I don't I didn't hear her
say anything.

1110
01:05:37,700 --> 01:05:40,100
So Judy leaves someone smart.
Yeah.

1111
01:05:40,100 --> 01:05:43,300
Okay.
And so Gertrude then demands.

1112
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,300
Well, if Judy is not going to
hit you, Jenny should hit you,

1113
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:52,500
Jenny refuses and Gertrude's.
Like what if you don't hit her,

1114
01:05:52,500 --> 01:05:55,800
I'll hit you.
Hit me, hit me.

1115
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:59,800
I don't care.
So Jenny is just sobbing

1116
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,300
Gertrude hits her so hard, she
loses her balance and Falls

1117
01:06:02,300 --> 01:06:07,800
because she has the messed up.
Leg Sylvia is like like begs

1118
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:09,800
jenni's.
Like for the love of God, just

1119
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:16,400
do it and Jenny ends up,
punching her sister repeatedly

1120
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:22,700
until Gertrudis satisfied.
At first, they try to hide this

1121
01:06:22,700 --> 01:06:24,300
abuse.
Like I said, they do the makeup,

1122
01:06:24,300 --> 01:06:27,200
all that stuff, but Sylvia
showing up, bruised more and

1123
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,800
more often, boys allowed to come
in and throw her around whenever

1124
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:34,000
he wants.
Honestly, they weren't really

1125
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:37,900
watching him.
And so he was already kind of a

1126
01:06:37,900 --> 01:06:42,300
dark kid, but now he's being
allowed to explore that like,

1127
01:06:42,300 --> 01:06:45,600
yeah creepy killer stuff with
her, so sometimes he's down

1128
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:48,700
there, just choking her until
she passes out, real creepy

1129
01:06:48,700 --> 01:06:52,800
stuff.
One of the things about this

1130
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,900
case that really just purely
pisses me off is the sheer

1131
01:06:55,900 --> 01:07:01,100
volume of witnesses.
So in August of 1965 new

1132
01:07:01,100 --> 01:07:03,100
neighbors, move into the garden
next to her.

1133
01:07:03,100 --> 01:07:06,100
True, their names are Phyllis
and Ray Vermillion, and I'm

1134
01:07:06,100 --> 01:07:09,400
naming them, because they should
be ashamed, after seeing all of

1135
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,400
the kids.
The Vermillion thought that Gert

1136
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,800
would be, you know, Gertrude be
a good babysitter, right?

1137
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,500
The Vermilion family sets up
this big backyard barbecue, so

1138
01:07:16,500 --> 01:07:19,500
the families can meet each other
Sylvia shows up with a black

1139
01:07:19,500 --> 01:07:22,500
eye.
Polish straight up goes.

1140
01:07:22,500 --> 01:07:28,500
Oh yeah I did that.
And they're like why at the same

1141
01:07:28,500 --> 01:07:32,300
party Paulo goes into the
kitchen boil.

1142
01:07:32,300 --> 01:07:36,300
Some water scoop sack up and
walks up and throws it on

1143
01:07:36,300 --> 01:07:40,100
Sylveon.
Oh my God then we're million

1144
01:07:40,100 --> 01:07:41,700
family.
Never reports it.

1145
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:49,100
Two months later.
They go to Gertrude's house to

1146
01:07:49,100 --> 01:07:53,200
borrow something, and they see
Sylvia in the house with a black

1147
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:54,700
eye.
That is so bad that it's

1148
01:07:54,700 --> 01:07:56,800
swollen.
Shut and her lips are swollen

1149
01:07:57,100 --> 01:07:59,900
and she's walking around almost
like out of it.

1150
01:08:00,100 --> 01:08:03,700
Probably this point.
She has a concussion Paula ad

1151
01:08:03,700 --> 01:08:06,100
and tells Phyllis.
Yeah, I did that to her and then

1152
01:08:06,100 --> 01:08:12,300
she takes off her belt to show
Phyllis how she beats Sylvia and

1153
01:08:12,300 --> 01:08:16,399
hits her in front of Phyllis.
This was Also not reported.

1154
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:22,200
Surely after that Sylvia asked
said, told Gertrude that she had

1155
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:26,300
to get a tracksuit for gym class
and Gertrude's, like, no, I'm

1156
01:08:26,300 --> 01:08:29,500
not spending money on you.
And it puts Sylvia's in this

1157
01:08:29,500 --> 01:08:31,100
terrible position where she's
freaked out.

1158
01:08:31,100 --> 01:08:34,300
Because if she doesn't have the
tracksuit that everyone has to

1159
01:08:34,300 --> 01:08:37,899
wear at gym time, they're going
to call Gertrude and complain,

1160
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:38,700
right?
And then good.

1161
01:08:38,700 --> 01:08:41,800
She'll be mad because she didn't
because she doesn't have what

1162
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:46,200
she needs for school.
So she steals one and she just

1163
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,300
hopes that that kid doesn't care
that it's gone.

1164
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:52,399
She gets away with it at school
at least but Gertrude sees this

1165
01:08:52,399 --> 01:08:54,600
track suit when Sylvia is
washing her clothes.

1166
01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:00,500
Gertrude beats her, but also
takes a cigarette and burns.

1167
01:09:00,500 --> 01:09:04,399
Each of her fingers in front of
the teenagers at the house.

1168
01:09:06,100 --> 01:09:08,899
At this point, I think the
teenagers are so desensitized to

1169
01:09:08,899 --> 01:09:11,800
what they're seeing that.
No one even objects-- to to this

1170
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:16,000
point and they all take turns
burning her too.

1171
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:20,000
Like they, she became like
they're human ashtray.

1172
01:09:21,100 --> 01:09:23,399
She is malnourished, she barely
can sleep.

1173
01:09:23,399 --> 01:09:26,700
She's in so much pain.
Her body, just stopped healing

1174
01:09:26,700 --> 01:09:30,899
at this point, Coy even noticed
that her bruises weren't fading

1175
01:09:30,899 --> 01:09:36,399
anymore and it said, like, this
is kind of the place point where

1176
01:09:36,399 --> 01:09:38,300
things are going to start to
shut down soon.

1177
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,399
Gertrude had convinced everyone
that she was a liar.

1178
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:44,300
So Sylvia didn't feel like she
had anybody.

1179
01:09:44,300 --> 01:09:48,500
She could talk to the only time
she ate was when she could

1180
01:09:48,500 --> 01:09:52,399
collect a couple Coke bottles
and buy some food for herself on

1181
01:09:52,399 --> 01:09:55,600
the way home before Gertrude
could see it.

1182
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:58,900
She would sit on like a park
bench and then sneak back in the

1183
01:09:58,907 --> 01:10:01,100
house.
Um, question.

1184
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:07,500
Yeah, her ass this house is
Jenny.

1185
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:14,900
Jenny is trying to avoid
everybody.

1186
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:25,000
She will try to help in her own
way, fairly soon, but Okay.

1187
01:10:25,100 --> 01:10:27,300
Okay, go ahead keep getting with
this.

1188
01:10:27,700 --> 01:10:30,200
The next situation that happens
isn't really bad one.

1189
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,700
One day she comes back Gertrude
is waiting for her.

1190
01:10:38,300 --> 01:10:40,500
She was even know why she's
being beaten at this point.

1191
01:10:40,500 --> 01:10:43,000
She just kind of lets Gertrude
drag her around the house.

1192
01:10:43,700 --> 01:10:46,800
Finally though, Gertrude drags
her into living room, there's no

1193
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:50,400
other Teens in the house other
than boys.

1194
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:58,600
She forces Sylvia to strip in
front of all the boys hands her

1195
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:05,600
a coke bottle and like demands.
She put it inside of herself at

1196
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:09,500
some point doing this Sylvia
passes out from just the pain.

1197
01:11:10,300 --> 01:11:12,900
The next morning Sylvia bags to
be taken to a doctor.

1198
01:11:12,900 --> 01:11:17,400
She's like something is wrong,
Gertrude beats her some more.

1199
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:26,000
The the issue is that she is now
almost incontinent.

1200
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:30,500
Like she can't control her
bladder at this point from

1201
01:11:30,500 --> 01:11:36,000
whatever happened with the
model, right Gertrude's.

1202
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:40,200
Just like well take her
upstairs.

1203
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:43,200
Throw around the hot water.
You know since she pissed all

1204
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:47,200
over the bed and everything
else, and one of the boys like

1205
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:53,800
refuses to do that, his name is
Ricky and Gertrude actually

1206
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:59,300
coerces, this 14 year old boy to
essentially further sexually

1207
01:11:59,300 --> 01:12:03,300
assault Sylvia through the use
of sexual favors.

1208
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:10,800
Yep, essentially though, I would
say, I would say assault in the

1209
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,900
way of, they take her up to the
bathroom, they take off her

1210
01:12:13,900 --> 01:12:17,500
clothes, and they like forcibly
clean her and then throw her

1211
01:12:17,500 --> 01:12:21,100
back in the basement according
to what Gertrude says right and

1212
01:12:21,100 --> 01:12:26,500
this would go on.
Every day in fact and this is

1213
01:12:26,500 --> 01:12:28,600
this is probably pretty awful
but the Ben is a ski children

1214
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:32,500
start charging money to other
teenagers to come see Sylvia

1215
01:12:32,500 --> 01:12:36,700
laying in the basement.
When she's being a locked in now

1216
01:12:36,700 --> 01:12:41,100
at night and sometimes charging
money to push her down the

1217
01:12:41,100 --> 01:12:45,500
steps.
She's being kept constantly

1218
01:12:45,500 --> 01:12:47,900
naked barely fed when they do
feed her.

1219
01:12:47,900 --> 01:12:50,800
It's bizarre in a dog bowl.
Or like one time.

1220
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:54,100
They'd be like you here soup but
you have to eat it with your

1221
01:12:54,100 --> 01:12:57,000
hands.
It was just this is all

1222
01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:01,000
Amusement for Gertrude's
destructive mind at some point

1223
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:08,400
to 12 year old, John joined in
And comes up with the idea that

1224
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:12,000
she should eat her own feces.
Oh my God.

1225
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:17,400
Um so all these kids that are
coming to pay money, they'd say

1226
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:19,200
they don't like just because
she's naked.

1227
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:22,300
They like oh well you know yeah
but they were 25 cents.

1228
01:13:22,300 --> 01:13:24,000
You can come see her.
Boobs are out.

1229
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,000
They don't don't tell stories
around school.

1230
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:28,500
Nobody hears about this.
No parents here.

1231
01:13:28,500 --> 01:13:30,500
No parents.
At least not the way if they do.

1232
01:13:30,500 --> 01:13:33,200
Then maybe, they'll believe it.
Okay.

1233
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,600
Well there is a second chance at
rescue happens.

1234
01:13:37,100 --> 01:13:39,800
A local Pastor is visiting the
homes of his parishioners.

1235
01:13:40,100 --> 01:13:42,100
He sits in the kitchen,
literally Sylvia's in the

1236
01:13:42,100 --> 01:13:44,400
basement.
Gertrude's like, oh, I was

1237
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:47,000
taking care of this.
Girl, she's a sinner.

1238
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:48,300
She's been sleeping with
married.

1239
01:13:48,300 --> 01:13:54,200
Men, Paula wandered and during
the conversation and there is

1240
01:13:54,300 --> 01:13:56,300
this, the juxtaposition of,
there's a pastor sitting in the

1241
01:13:56,308 --> 01:13:59,400
chair, Paul is wearing baggy
clothes because she's trying to

1242
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:01,800
hide the fact that she's like
four months pregnant.

1243
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:05,000
And there's Gertrude talking
about how, oh, I bet you, she's

1244
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,300
pregnant.
She's fucking all these people

1245
01:14:07,500 --> 01:14:13,400
and polish just like Wow, the
reverend's like well I'll pray

1246
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:16,800
with you and maybe, you know,
I'll come back and we can pray

1247
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:20,400
with Sylvia to when she's here.
And Paul is like I hate Sylvia

1248
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:25,000
and like Gertrude's, like no, no
no, you don't hate her.

1249
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:28,700
You hate what she's doing, she
wants to make sure, you know,

1250
01:14:28,700 --> 01:14:32,200
hate the sinner, hate the sin,
not the sinner, the reference

1251
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:36,000
like, I'm going to come back,
but he never comes back now.

1252
01:14:36,900 --> 01:14:39,200
Jenny tries to reach out to her
parents.

1253
01:14:39,900 --> 01:14:43,100
Since they move weekly, due to
the movement of the traveling,

1254
01:14:43,100 --> 01:14:46,500
like a circus, it's very
difficult and Gertrude is

1255
01:14:46,500 --> 01:14:49,000
holding onto the information as
close as she can.

1256
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:51,600
So like, she would get a letter
back from.

1257
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:53,800
She'll get a letter with the
money and that would have the

1258
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:56,900
current address.
And by the time, the girls got

1259
01:14:56,900 --> 01:14:59,600
the the letter, they'd already
moved on, right?

1260
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:03,100
They did have a grandmother but
that grandmother was taking care

1261
01:15:03,100 --> 01:15:06,300
of Jenny's twin brother Benny
and she was old, they have an

1262
01:15:06,300 --> 01:15:09,800
older sister named Diana and
when Sylvia is locked in the

1263
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:12,300
basement, Basement Jenny's leg.
I'm going to write to Diana.

1264
01:15:12,500 --> 01:15:15,800
She writes this whole huge
letter begging her sister to

1265
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:20,800
like call the police Diana.
Didn't believe her.

1266
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:26,400
Why?
And what she said was that Jenny

1267
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:33,800
and Sylvia had tried to move in
with her before. but, as Diane

1268
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:38,000
has looking over the letters,
she's like, This is too

1269
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,900
detailed.
Like where is this coming from?

1270
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,000
I guess it's not like oh these
people beat me.

1271
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:45,100
Come pick me up so I can come
live with you and your husband.

1272
01:15:45,300 --> 01:15:47,500
Like these are very detailed
accounts of abuse.

1273
01:15:47,500 --> 01:15:48,900
There's come from actual
experiences.

1274
01:15:48,900 --> 01:15:52,700
Please come get us.
So Diana decides to visit the

1275
01:15:52,700 --> 01:15:57,400
area and she decides to stop by
the house and Gertrude opens the

1276
01:15:57,407 --> 01:16:01,200
door and is like you aren't
welcome here, Gertrude tells her

1277
01:16:01,900 --> 01:16:05,300
Lester called me and told me you
can't see them Diana's.

1278
01:16:05,300 --> 01:16:07,000
Like that's weird.
Why would Lester say that?

1279
01:16:07,100 --> 01:16:10,900
And she's just like, I don't
know, that's between you and

1280
01:16:10,900 --> 01:16:12,800
your dad but you can't come here
because you don't have

1281
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,200
permission.
So then I was like, okay, sure

1282
01:16:15,300 --> 01:16:18,200
she walks down the street and
then she waits because she's

1283
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:19,800
like, it's some point.
They're going to come out of his

1284
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:21,000
house.
One of them is going to come

1285
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:21,700
out.
Mmm.

1286
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:24,100
So about two hours later,
Jenny's drying.

1287
01:16:24,100 --> 01:16:27,800
This gigantic plastic bag
outside and Diana runs up to her

1288
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:31,000
expecting, ju to hug her and
Jenny's just like, I can't talk

1289
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:32,200
to you.
You have to go away.

1290
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:35,900
So Diane is like, now I'm really
confused.

1291
01:16:35,900 --> 01:16:38,600
You just called me saying these
people hate are monsters.

1292
01:16:38,900 --> 01:16:42,400
So Diana calls, Indianapolis
Social Services, thank you.

1293
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:46,400
And she disposed home and she's
just like, all right, Gertrude

1294
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:49,700
was ready for this a couple days
later, the social worker

1295
01:16:49,700 --> 01:16:54,000
arrives, Jenny is there dressed
beautifully along with all the

1296
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:58,400
other girls Sylvia's in the
basement, Jenny has been told to

1297
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:00,700
play along, or she will end up
in the basement as well.

1298
01:17:01,500 --> 01:17:04,900
The social worker is That Sylvia
got kicked out several weeks ago

1299
01:17:04,900 --> 01:17:08,000
because Gertrude found out.
She was a prostitute, the social

1300
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:09,100
worker.
Closes the case.

1301
01:17:10,900 --> 01:17:14,000
There was another situation
where they were almost found out

1302
01:17:14,100 --> 01:17:16,900
by a man who the been is ASCII
children robbed.

1303
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:19,300
Like he legitimately showed up
at their house was like your

1304
01:17:19,308 --> 01:17:22,600
kids stole my shit and then he
starts just pushing his way

1305
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:24,200
through the house to find his
stuff.

1306
01:17:24,300 --> 01:17:30,200
He makes it into the kitchen and
Coy Hubbard and Ricky tackle

1307
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:33,800
him.
And they dragged him outside.

1308
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:43,600
Quit Hubbard is a problem and
this is such an interesting

1309
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:46,400
thing because now they've
allowed him to four months, get

1310
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:48,700
these weird creepy dark
fantasies out.

1311
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:52,900
He's like being weird and creepy
with Stephanie to and she

1312
01:17:52,900 --> 01:17:55,300
doesn't like it.
She's like, as soon as like

1313
01:17:55,300 --> 01:17:56,600
she's like it's fine when
they're around the other

1314
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:58,900
children, but as soon as like,
they would be like alone in her

1315
01:17:58,900 --> 01:18:02,700
room, he would be like, almost
sexually violent with her and

1316
01:18:02,700 --> 01:18:04,600
like, not a surprise.
He's allowed to do whatever the

1317
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:09,700
fuck he wants.
Yeah, Gertrude's getting mad now

1318
01:18:09,700 --> 01:18:12,000
because despite all the horrible
stuff that they're doing the

1319
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:16,800
Sylvia Sylvia spirit is not
broken like Gertrude would walk

1320
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:20,900
down the steps and Sylvia would
just stare at her with like

1321
01:18:20,900 --> 01:18:23,800
daggers.
As you should.

1322
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:27,700
So Gertrude is like well if she
stays downstairs, she never does

1323
01:18:27,700 --> 01:18:30,200
anything wrong.
So I'm gonna let her come

1324
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:33,000
upstairs because then she'll get
in trouble and I can punish her.

1325
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:39,700
So even though Sylvia had drank
no water that day, like I said,

1326
01:18:39,700 --> 01:18:42,400
she'd been rendered in continent
by the bottle, right?

1327
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:46,300
Yeah, so she still peed the bed
at night.

1328
01:18:46,300 --> 01:18:49,500
Gertrude came in the room,
screamed at her through old

1329
01:18:49,500 --> 01:18:52,700
clothes at her, drag you down
stairs when she realized.

1330
01:18:52,900 --> 01:18:56,500
Only boys in the house again.
She had Sylvia strip again.

1331
01:18:56,500 --> 01:18:58,800
She did the same thing with the
bottle of second time.

1332
01:18:59,300 --> 01:19:01,900
This time, Sylvia, just kind of
stared at her and did it.

1333
01:19:01,900 --> 01:19:03,500
She didn't Flinch.
She didn't cry.

1334
01:19:03,700 --> 01:19:09,400
She was given Gertrude nothing.
Gertrude's pissed.

1335
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:11,600
She's like I want to see her
screaming and crying like she

1336
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:13,500
used to but she's doing
everything.

1337
01:19:13,500 --> 01:19:18,400
I'm asking her to do so then she
has the boys hold her down and

1338
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:24,400
she takes a needle and they heat
it on the stove and Ricky helps

1339
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:26,100
Gertrude.
Come up with the words.

1340
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:30,300
I'm a prostitute and I'm proud
of it on her stomach.

1341
01:19:30,500 --> 01:19:36,500
Oh after it was done surely, the
younger daughter asked Sylvia

1342
01:19:36,500 --> 01:19:39,400
well how do you You feel about
being branded and Sylvia just

1343
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:40,800
goes.
I guess there's nothing I can

1344
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:43,900
do.
It's there also pisses Gertrude

1345
01:19:43,900 --> 01:19:48,300
off so she let koi throw around
in the basement some more, but

1346
01:19:48,300 --> 01:19:51,500
that wasn't fun either, because
Sylvia had stopped reacting.

1347
01:19:51,900 --> 01:19:54,000
I'm assuming, at this point.
She's disassociating.

1348
01:19:55,300 --> 01:19:58,800
Yeah, she's in her own world.
You know, at this point that

1349
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:00,600
night, Jenny went down to see
her.

1350
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:04,000
And Sylvia told her sister, I'm
going to die.

1351
01:20:04,100 --> 01:20:08,500
I can tell.
Jenny ran upstairs and head

1352
01:20:08,500 --> 01:20:10,100
before.
Gertrude could see her trying to

1353
01:20:10,100 --> 01:20:14,200
console her sister Gertrude, sat
on the steps and stared at her

1354
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:16,400
before, inviting her to come
back upstairs.

1355
01:20:16,900 --> 01:20:20,500
The next morning, they bathed
her dressed, her really nicely,

1356
01:20:20,900 --> 01:20:23,900
and forced her to write a letter
to her, parents telling her that

1357
01:20:23,900 --> 01:20:27,500
she'd gone with a group of boys.
They had assaulted her and hurt

1358
01:20:27,500 --> 01:20:30,800
her and branded her.
This was the letter that was

1359
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:34,900
going to prove that Sylvia had
run away and Gertrude was

1360
01:20:34,900 --> 01:20:37,600
planning on just dumping her
somewhere outside.

1361
01:20:38,700 --> 01:20:40,900
At this point Sylvia ran for the
door.

1362
01:20:40,900 --> 01:20:42,500
She's like, they're gonna murder
me.

1363
01:20:42,900 --> 01:20:45,300
And she just runs for the board
or Gertrude grabs.

1364
01:20:45,300 --> 01:20:50,900
Her drags her back attempts to
like frost like a pole down her

1365
01:20:50,900 --> 01:20:53,500
throat and knock her to the
floor.

1366
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:58,900
At some point, they try and give
her like crackers and water.

1367
01:20:58,900 --> 01:21:02,000
And she tells Gertrude, you
should give it to a dog.

1368
01:21:02,100 --> 01:21:08,300
It's hungrier than I am.
Gertrude beats her again the

1369
01:21:08,300 --> 01:21:10,700
next morning.
Coy and Gertrude come into the

1370
01:21:10,700 --> 01:21:14,800
basement Sylvie's, in the same
spot where she'd been Gertrude

1371
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:19,900
tries to attack Sylvia and
misses and hits herself like she

1372
01:21:19,900 --> 01:21:23,000
literally like mrs.
Hits the wall hits herself, Koya

1373
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:27,100
staring at her like who is this
stupid old Thank God.

1374
01:21:27,100 --> 01:21:31,200
Funny moment, ye took the
curtain rod from Gertrude and

1375
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:34,700
beat her until he was sure she
was unconscious Sylvia woke up

1376
01:21:34,700 --> 01:21:37,600
in the middle of the night.
She was unable to scream because

1377
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,100
of the thing with them trying to
thrust something down her

1378
01:21:40,100 --> 01:21:43,200
throat.
So she found like a metal spade

1379
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:47,600
and she began hitting the wall
all night long.

1380
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:49,900
The sound actually was loud
enough.

1381
01:21:49,900 --> 01:21:52,800
That it woke people up in the
area but none of them called the

1382
01:21:52,808 --> 01:21:55,700
police because they were used to
weird.

1383
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,600
Sounds coming from the vent has
a ski house.

1384
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,600
The next morning Ricky and
Stephanie pixel via they take

1385
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:06,800
her into the bathtub.
Her head Falls below the water

1386
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:10,500
and they don't see any air
bubbles, Stephanie tries to do

1387
01:22:10,500 --> 01:22:12,800
CPR and that's when they
realized that she is.

1388
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:19,200
Cold is October 26, 1965 and
Stephanie was 16 years old.

1389
01:22:20,300 --> 01:22:23,900
You Sylvia Gertrude had her, put
in the basement and so, she

1390
01:22:23,900 --> 01:22:26,100
calls the police across the
street.

1391
01:22:26,300 --> 01:22:30,400
She hands the police officers to
note, and they're like, this is

1392
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:32,700
weird because, okay, I'm going
to tell you this because I saw

1393
01:22:32,700 --> 01:22:37,400
part of the letter, the letter
is addressed to Dear mr.

1394
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:38,900
And mrs.
Betty.

1395
01:22:38,900 --> 01:22:42,600
And Lester Likens.
What child writes a letter to

1396
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:46,100
their parents and uses their
official full name?

1397
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:49,300
No, you would just say to your
mom and dad so that was already

1398
01:22:49,300 --> 01:22:50,400
stupid.
Weird.

1399
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:52,900
Yeah, but it gets more like this
just gets.

1400
01:22:54,700 --> 01:22:57,000
All right.
The like, the officers.

1401
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:59,800
Like the other issue though, is
that they're like, this is the

1402
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:05,500
wife of former officer, I guess
they were still viewing her even

1403
01:23:05,500 --> 01:23:07,500
though they're ex-wife.
They're like we still have to

1404
01:23:07,508 --> 01:23:10,700
like, take care of her as they
are leaving.

1405
01:23:11,500 --> 01:23:13,700
Jenny Whispers to a police
officer.

1406
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:16,300
If you get me out of here, I'll
tell you everything.

1407
01:23:18,100 --> 01:23:21,000
So the officer is like, you know
what, I really need to question

1408
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:25,600
everybody here alone and he like
looks to Jenny and he's just

1409
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:28,700
like, I'm going to start with
you as soon as they are.

1410
01:23:28,700 --> 01:23:31,200
In the Next Room.
Ginny goes look in the basement.

1411
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:36,000
They killed my sister.
He goes down into the house.

1412
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:38,000
Everyone was arrested.
Who was there that day?

1413
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:42,500
Yay, except for Jenny, of
course, that's Gertrude Paula.

1414
01:23:42,500 --> 01:23:46,100
Stephanie, John, Junior, Coy and
Ricky all arrested for murder

1415
01:23:46,100 --> 01:23:49,000
and the other teenagers.
Hers are arrested for assault.

1416
01:23:49,500 --> 01:23:51,700
Like pretty much everyone in the
house.

1417
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:57,000
And the whole time Gertrude is
still like raving and ranting

1418
01:23:57,000 --> 01:24:00,400
giving the same story.
So the autopsy is done it.

1419
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:03,000
Corroborates, a lot of the
different stories stories from

1420
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:07,200
Jenny, some from Stephanie, she
had over 100 different cigarette

1421
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:09,500
burns on her body.
Some were second and third

1422
01:24:09,500 --> 01:24:11,600
degree burns.
She had severe bruising along

1423
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:15,300
with muscular and nerve damage.
They weren't entirely sure if

1424
01:24:15,300 --> 01:24:17,500
she just suffered a brain
hemorrhage or this was just the

1425
01:24:17,500 --> 01:24:20,100
combined shock of all of her
injuries hitting her at once,

1426
01:24:20,100 --> 01:24:21,600
right?
I'm going to say, it was

1427
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:24,000
probably Really shocked.
I think the fact that she was

1428
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:27,300
able to tell her sister, I think
this is the end for me today.

1429
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:32,000
Hmm.
When they attempted to do like a

1430
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:36,500
full body exam, her throat and
her vagina were swollen shut,

1431
01:24:36,500 --> 01:24:41,100
but she was inspected and
doctors were able to report.

1432
01:24:41,100 --> 01:24:44,100
That Gertrude was full of shit
and nothing.

1433
01:24:44,100 --> 01:24:47,200
She had been telling any adult
for the last like nine months

1434
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:49,000
was accurate.
I like how you said, oh, the

1435
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:53,000
doctor the doctor has concluded
that you are full of shit.

1436
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:56,000
The lie.
Detector test determined your

1437
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:58,800
booger full of shit.
Oh my God.

1438
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:04,200
Was definitely not a prostitute.
Unfortunately, the Lesser

1439
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:08,000
charges are dropped.
Almost immediately in favor of

1440
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:12,000
murder for Gertrude Stephanie.
Paula John jr.

1441
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,300
Koi.
And Ricky, hmm, Stephanie

1442
01:25:14,300 --> 01:25:17,100
immediately turns State's
evidence and the murder charges

1443
01:25:17,100 --> 01:25:19,700
are dropped against her.
Like I said, the majority of the

1444
01:25:19,700 --> 01:25:22,300
things that I told you about
today come directly from her

1445
01:25:22,300 --> 01:25:25,300
testimony during her trial, and
to the police.

1446
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:30,600
Her trial was 1st May 1966, she
denied knowing anything about

1447
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:32,600
the torture she entered a Not
Guilty.

1448
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:37,100
By reason of insanity plea she
absolutely was insane but her

1449
01:25:37,100 --> 01:25:41,900
testimony was so bizarre that it
made the jury dislike her she

1450
01:25:41,900 --> 01:25:44,900
would go on and on about how
Sylvia was the town whore and

1451
01:25:44,900 --> 01:25:47,900
she deserved what happened to
her when the evidence was that

1452
01:25:47,900 --> 01:25:52,800
Sylvia and had no sexual
experience and nothing had been

1453
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:55,900
done to her, genitals outside of
the abuse that you did.

1454
01:25:56,000 --> 01:26:00,900
Hmm, Gertrude's, eleven-year-old
daughter Marie.

1455
01:26:00,900 --> 01:26:04,100
Originally testified in her
defense because that's what her

1456
01:26:04,100 --> 01:26:06,200
mom wanted her to do.
And then during

1457
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:09,500
cross-examination, she broke
down and started crying.

1458
01:26:10,100 --> 01:26:13,200
And just was like, my mom, this
is all a lie.

1459
01:26:17,300 --> 01:26:20,500
May 19th 1966.
A jury finds her guilty of

1460
01:26:20,500 --> 01:26:23,900
first-degree murder.
The public are shocked, that

1461
01:26:23,900 --> 01:26:28,000
Gertrude is not given the death
penalty, right, 1971.

1462
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:30,800
She somehow manages to get a
retrial because they got some of

1463
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:32,500
the previous evidence thrown
out.

1464
01:26:32,500 --> 01:26:36,600
She gets the same penalty,
despite the citizens of Indiana

1465
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:41,600
fighting against it like they
actively tried to get her parole

1466
01:26:41,900 --> 01:26:44,200
like ruined, like the people of
Indiana.

1467
01:26:44,300 --> 01:26:47,400
And they she was paroled in
1985.

1468
01:26:47,700 --> 01:26:50,200
She changed her name back to Fan
faucet and she died of lung

1469
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:52,400
cancer.
Five years later she never took

1470
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:54,100
responsibility for any of her
crime.

1471
01:26:54,100 --> 01:26:56,800
She swore she can never remember
between the drugs and the

1472
01:26:56,800 --> 01:27:00,000
alcohol.
Her total time served was 20

1473
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:03,300
years.
I fucking hate it, not not

1474
01:27:03,300 --> 01:27:05,200
nearly enough, not nearly
enough.

1475
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:07,800
Paula was found guilty of
second-degree murder.

1476
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:11,300
Paul actually gave birth during
her first trial, and it had to

1477
01:27:11,300 --> 01:27:14,200
be rescheduled.
That did not stop the jury.

1478
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:16,100
From recommending life in prison
for her though.

1479
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:20,300
She also got an appeal because
of that situation with the

1480
01:27:20,300 --> 01:27:25,600
evidence in 1971 and instead of
going back to trial, she just

1481
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:30,900
agreed to manslaughter.
They gave her 25 years.

1482
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:34,500
Even though Paula put his
actually was like 2221.

1483
01:27:34,500 --> 01:27:37,200
But regardless even though
Apollo participated in a prison

1484
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:41,200
riot and an attempted prison
escape, they still released her

1485
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:44,700
a year later.
I fucking like she only serves

1486
01:27:44,700 --> 01:27:47,100
like I think in additionally,
three more years total because

1487
01:27:47,100 --> 01:27:51,100
it was parole and then she was
officially done by 73.

1488
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:54,100
She changed her name, to Paul
apace, and nobody heard anything

1489
01:27:54,100 --> 01:27:58,000
about her until 2012.
When the people of Iowa

1490
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:01,300
discovered who she was She was
working as a teacher.

1491
01:28:01,300 --> 01:28:04,800
That's right in the Marshalltown
up in Marshalltown which was the

1492
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:07,600
Conrad school system.
She had two adult sons.

1493
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:11,500
The time she was promptly fired
for lying on her application.

1494
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:14,600
We haven't heard anything from
her since we assume that she has

1495
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:18,200
probably changed her name again.
Mmm. like I said, Stephanie

1496
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:20,600
served no time she changed her
name, moved to Florida, got

1497
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:24,700
married had children also became
a teacher John jr.

1498
01:28:24,700 --> 01:28:26,900
Was sent convicted of
manslaughter and sent to the

1499
01:28:26,900 --> 01:28:29,900
Indiana State Reformatory, where
he was the state's youngest

1500
01:28:29,900 --> 01:28:33,600
inmate at 12 years old.
He was released two years later

1501
01:28:34,100 --> 01:28:37,000
changed his name to John Blake
and found God.

1502
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:41,800
As a man of God, he condemned
his family and he is the only

1503
01:28:42,100 --> 01:28:44,300
man has a ski family member to
ever show.

1504
01:28:44,300 --> 01:28:47,600
Any remorse for his
participation in Sylvia Likens

1505
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:50,500
murder.
He died at 52 years old from

1506
01:28:50,500 --> 01:28:54,200
cancer in 2005.
He was a real estate agent and a

1507
01:28:54,208 --> 01:28:57,600
minister who had three children,
who 11 year old?

1508
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:00,500
Murray served no time in
exchange for her testimony

1509
01:29:00,500 --> 01:29:03,800
against her mom.
Once she turned to supporting

1510
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:06,000
the prosecution, they were like,
it's all right, she's eleven.

1511
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:10,300
We're not gonna do this to her.
She apparently still lives

1512
01:29:10,300 --> 01:29:13,400
somewhere in Indiana.
Shirley was 10, she served no

1513
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:15,500
time.
The only thing that surely

1514
01:29:15,500 --> 01:29:18,800
participated in was branding
Sylvia and that was she was The

1515
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:20,400
one who heated up a needle
right?

1516
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:23,800
Her whereabouts are unknown
today.

1517
01:29:24,300 --> 01:29:26,500
James was eight.
Nothing is known about him.

1518
01:29:26,500 --> 01:29:29,900
Other than that, he served no
time and since Dennis Junior was

1519
01:29:30,300 --> 01:29:33,200
still like two years old, right?
All we know about him is that he

1520
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:37,000
was put into foster care.
He was adopted by a family like

1521
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:39,900
with the last name white and
that he died in 2012.

1522
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:44,600
Now, let's talk about the people
who weren't in the family.

1523
01:29:44,700 --> 01:29:48,300
Yes, Coy Hubbard was convicted
of manslaughter for his Judo

1524
01:29:48,300 --> 01:29:51,500
attacks on Sylvia.
He served two of his 21 year

1525
01:29:51,500 --> 01:29:54,900
sentence before he was released.
I fucking he never changed his

1526
01:29:54,900 --> 01:29:57,500
name.
He stayed in Indianapolis most

1527
01:29:57,500 --> 01:30:02,100
of his adult life and not
surprising for anybody.

1528
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:06,800
He ended up in jail again for a
murder charge in 1982.

1529
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:10,300
She still in there, he was
acquitted mother.

1530
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:14,800
Now, there is a movie that came
out in 2007, which is probably

1531
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:18,500
where you saw this story called
An American Crime.

1532
01:30:18,500 --> 01:30:21,200
Yeah.
After that, movie came out, and

1533
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:23,800
everyone was like, oh, that's
the same coil Hubbard that we

1534
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:28,100
know from around the way he lost
his job and he died a few months

1535
01:30:28,100 --> 01:30:34,100
later in June of 2007, Ricky
Hobbs was convicted of

1536
01:30:34,100 --> 01:30:36,500
manslaughter.
He served two years before he

1537
01:30:36,500 --> 01:30:40,300
was released.
Unlike John who became a better

1538
01:30:40,300 --> 01:30:42,100
man.
After Her being in Prison, Ricky

1539
01:30:42,100 --> 01:30:47,600
was not, he did eventually admit
that he did something wrong.

1540
01:30:48,900 --> 01:30:54,100
He also was super messed up from
probably participating in the

1541
01:30:54,100 --> 01:30:57,500
violence, from the sexual abuse
from Gertrude, from being in

1542
01:30:57,500 --> 01:30:59,500
prison.
He pretty much just had a

1543
01:30:59,508 --> 01:31:02,000
nervous breakdown after his
release.

1544
01:31:02,700 --> 01:31:08,400
He died of cancer in 1972, at
the age of 21, Lester and Betty

1545
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:11,700
never recovered.
Lester had actually been to the

1546
01:31:11,700 --> 01:31:15,400
house, only a few weeks before
Sylvia died and so he blamed

1547
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:17,800
himself for never seeing what
was going on.

1548
01:31:18,300 --> 01:31:21,200
He died in Fontana, California
February 2013.

1549
01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:25,600
At the age of 86 Betty, did not
forgive Laster and she divorced

1550
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:29,300
him a year after the trial, she
remarried and she died.

1551
01:31:29,300 --> 01:31:33,400
May 29th 1998 at seventy eight.
Seventy one years old.

1552
01:31:33,700 --> 01:31:36,500
She was buried next to her own
brother at the Crown Hill

1553
01:31:36,500 --> 01:31:40,100
Cemetery.
Diana Likens definitely stayed

1554
01:31:40,100 --> 01:31:42,600
off the radar.
She was not charged with

1555
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:45,600
anything because the state
thought that she did his best.

1556
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:49,000
She could, she told all the
authorities, just nobody

1557
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:50,300
listened.
Yeah.

1558
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:55,700
Weirdly enough recently both
Diana and her husband got lost

1559
01:31:55,700 --> 01:31:58,300
in a California, like
Wilderness.

1560
01:31:58,400 --> 01:31:59,700
Oh no.
And they were stranded in their

1561
01:31:59,700 --> 01:32:02,100
car, for two weeks.
Her husband died from a heart

1562
01:32:02,100 --> 01:32:05,400
attack in the car, but Diana was
found her.

1563
01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:07,600
Children are taking care of her
still, okay?

1564
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:11,900
Okay, finally, Jenny, Likens
lived with immeasurable guilt

1565
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:13,500
about what happened to her
sister.

1566
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:20,400
She was actually adopted by the
family of the prosecutor Leroy.

1567
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:23,900
New Leroy had several daughters
that were the same age as her

1568
01:32:23,900 --> 01:32:27,000
and they tried very much to love
her as she had never been loved

1569
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:31,300
before.
She has been described as a

1570
01:32:31,300 --> 01:32:35,900
nervous wreck loose after this,
she lived her life very much

1571
01:32:35,900 --> 01:32:40,500
afraid of everything.
Even though she was afraid when

1572
01:32:40,500 --> 01:32:45,100
Gertrude second trial happened,
she came forward and she spoke

1573
01:32:45,100 --> 01:32:48,800
out against Gertrude being
released, which is I'm sure the

1574
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:51,900
deciding factor between her
because when Gertrude went to

1575
01:32:51,900 --> 01:32:53,600
prison, she became a model
prisoner.

1576
01:32:53,700 --> 01:32:56,000
Of course everybody called her
mom, she never did anything

1577
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:57,800
wrong.
So when that trial happened in

1578
01:32:57,800 --> 01:33:01,400
72, they were like why shouldn't
we just like Let Her Go time

1579
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:02,500
sir.
If she's already been in prison

1580
01:33:02,500 --> 01:33:05,600
for like five years and Jenny
was like, excuse me.

1581
01:33:05,900 --> 01:33:09,200
Sorry about that.
But um, She would beat me and my

1582
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:16,200
sister horrific lie constantly.
So yeah, that Jenny, mustered up

1583
01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:23,400
enough, courage to face her
abuser in court in 1972, friends

1584
01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:25,900
of Jenny, say that the Fatal
heart attack that she died from

1585
01:33:25,900 --> 01:33:30,700
in 2004 actually happened
because a pizza delivery driver

1586
01:33:30,900 --> 01:33:33,400
startled.
Her when he knocked on the door,

1587
01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:37,300
she was 54 years old and she
lived in Beech Grove.

1588
01:33:38,900 --> 01:33:41,100
Most of the people who are
listening right now know this

1589
01:33:41,100 --> 01:33:43,800
story.
Like I said, the tales of would

1590
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:46,100
happen if Sylvia were pulled
from many different bits of

1591
01:33:46,100 --> 01:33:50,500
testimony from all of the
children, Gertrude's torture

1592
01:33:50,500 --> 01:33:53,700
crew of kids.
It is highly likely that.

1593
01:33:53,700 --> 01:33:57,200
There is more, that happened
that we will never know, because

1594
01:33:57,200 --> 01:34:00,400
there are probably things that
Gertrude it on her own, and she

1595
01:34:00,500 --> 01:34:02,600
died.
She took that to her grave.

1596
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:06,500
Yeah.
One thing that I will say, is

1597
01:34:06,500 --> 01:34:09,100
that, I think it's very
interesting that everyone who

1598
01:34:09,100 --> 01:34:16,700
took part in abusing this girl
died fairly quickly after it,

1599
01:34:16,700 --> 01:34:21,100
was all said, and done.
Yeah, like maybe we didn't get

1600
01:34:21,100 --> 01:34:27,000
Justice in the courts, but karma
took its Jose karmic like virtue

1601
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:30,400
got a present and it was like,
oh no, you don't get to enjoy

1602
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:32,600
your life.
Lung cancer, you spend your last

1603
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:34,900
couple of years and Horrible
pain.

1604
01:34:36,500 --> 01:34:39,300
But yeah.
It's interesting, right?

1605
01:34:39,300 --> 01:34:41,800
She ended up worse than she
started.

1606
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:45,700
Yeah.
But like it was almost exactly

1607
01:34:45,700 --> 01:34:47,900
the same way that her own mother
had been.

1608
01:34:47,900 --> 01:34:49,900
Yeah.
With her which doesn't make

1609
01:34:49,900 --> 01:34:52,300
anybody feel any better.
No, not no.

1610
01:34:52,300 --> 01:34:57,100
I still think she's a piece of
shit and I'm glad I felt sorry

1611
01:34:57,100 --> 01:35:00,200
for her before, just a brief
moment, you feel bad for the

1612
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:02,500
gating, beginning of the
episode.

1613
01:35:02,500 --> 01:35:04,700
Yeah, I was, I felt sorry for
great when her, she's been

1614
01:35:04,700 --> 01:35:07,800
abused by her mom, you feel so
bad for her and then as things

1615
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:10,800
go.
On pretty much from the point

1616
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:14,700
where she likes starts sexually,
like, abusing her like

1617
01:35:14,700 --> 01:35:17,300
boyfriend.
Yeah, and like sexually coercing

1618
01:35:17,300 --> 01:35:18,800
him.
I'm like, oh no, this one is

1619
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:21,200
like, she's never gotten better
this last.

1620
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:25,300
Yeah, I went down this path
because I wanted to know who the

1621
01:35:25,300 --> 01:35:27,600
monster was.
And it turns out she was a

1622
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:31,300
monster for a very long time and
they were very few, very few

1623
01:35:31,300 --> 01:35:35,400
redeeming qualities from
Gertrude been is ASCII or Paula

1624
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:37,800
baniszewski or Stephanie ban is
a snow there.

1625
01:35:37,900 --> 01:35:41,200
Really didn't have any because
like I mean they were abused but

1626
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:43,100
that's not a redeeming quality
for anybody.

1627
01:35:43,100 --> 01:35:45,800
So it's one of those weird
situations were like, you come

1628
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:49,000
across somebody.
Like I'll use the example of

1629
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:51,400
Chris Brown.
After that situation happened

1630
01:35:51,400 --> 01:35:54,900
with Rihanna.
He came went on like late night

1631
01:35:54,900 --> 01:35:59,200
TV and he like talked about how
like it was wrong but he himself

1632
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:01,600
was abused by his father when he
was little.

1633
01:36:01,900 --> 01:36:07,300
And like all you can say in that
situation is like Okay, go get

1634
01:36:07,300 --> 01:36:10,100
help.
Yeah it said of further like

1635
01:36:10,100 --> 01:36:12,700
spreading the horribleness.
I was about to say.

1636
01:36:12,700 --> 01:36:14,900
What's that?
What's the phrase we use?

1637
01:36:15,500 --> 01:36:18,700
I mean me and Terror use it.
What was that for the kids?

1638
01:36:18,900 --> 01:36:24,000
Like not to.
It's like a generational thing

1639
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:26,700
that General generational trauma
occurs and shit like that.

1640
01:36:26,700 --> 01:36:27,600
Yeah, we do.
Yeah.

1641
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:29,700
Yeah, yeah.
Like don't don't spread that to

1642
01:36:29,700 --> 01:36:31,200
your kid.
Oh, I was just thinking about

1643
01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:33,400
that the other day like I was
like, listen I have spent a

1644
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:38,500
considerable amount of time and
Energy and money going through

1645
01:36:38,500 --> 01:36:40,500
therapy.
So that I do not.

1646
01:36:43,100 --> 01:36:46,100
Bring down the same trauma that
I experienced.

1647
01:36:46,100 --> 01:36:48,000
When I was gonna before, I was
adopted.

1648
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:53,300
Like, in this case alone, I
couldn't go into much detail

1649
01:36:53,300 --> 01:36:56,300
about the situation with the
force-feeding because that is

1650
01:36:56,300 --> 01:36:58,500
something that happened to me
when I was very little.

1651
01:36:58,700 --> 01:37:02,600
And it is why I have such a
weird awful relationship with

1652
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:04,800
food even now.
Hmm.

1653
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:08,700
And that happened to me like
before I was like, six years old

1654
01:37:08,700 --> 01:37:11,400
that my grandmother would try
and force feed me food.

1655
01:37:11,900 --> 01:37:15,000
It is, trauma that still makes
me like choked up every once in

1656
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:19,800
a while.
So, I'm like, Jesus, like before

1657
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:22,500
you procreate, make sure you
have had put your ducks in a

1658
01:37:22,500 --> 01:37:23,600
row.
Yes.

1659
01:37:24,900 --> 01:37:29,400
But I hope you can bring us into
something a little lighter.

1660
01:37:29,700 --> 01:37:33,000
Brittany, I'm gonna tell you
this story broke my heart.

1661
01:37:33,100 --> 01:37:35,100
Oh, great.
This is just a bad time.

1662
01:37:35,100 --> 01:37:43,000
No, no, no, your story broke my
heart about what happened to

1663
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:45,400
Sylvia Likens?
I didn't know it was as

1664
01:37:45,400 --> 01:37:47,500
extensive as it was.
I didn't know.

1665
01:37:47,500 --> 01:37:50,800
Like when it started like yeah,
I almost cried like, twice, it

1666
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:53,800
was terrible when I was writing
this.

1667
01:37:54,700 --> 01:37:58,000
Then like you were like, oh, I
can't okay to the podcast.

1668
01:37:58,000 --> 01:37:59,400
Saturday's.
Like what about tomorrow?

1669
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:00,800
You're like oh I can't do it
yet.

1670
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:03,000
What about tomorrow?
I was putting it off because I

1671
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:08,500
didn't want to tell the story.
They put it all today.

1672
01:38:09,600 --> 01:38:11,700
We did bump it like two times
recording.

1673
01:38:11,700 --> 01:38:13,700
OK.
It's ok.

1674
01:38:13,700 --> 01:38:16,100
I'm sorry for anybody.
Who's listening, who felt

1675
01:38:16,100 --> 01:38:18,400
particularly traumatized we did
too.

1676
01:38:19,800 --> 01:38:22,200
Unfortunately, do it for the
content?

1677
01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:26,400
Yeah, here's your content.
Aunt, Edie's major some content

1678
01:38:27,500 --> 01:38:30,900
enjoy.
But yeah, no.

1679
01:38:30,900 --> 01:38:32,900
This is one of those situations.
Just frustrating.

1680
01:38:33,200 --> 01:38:35,300
Frustrating.
Frustrating, frustrating it

1681
01:38:35,300 --> 01:38:41,900
never got better.
Okay, well you got for us, let's

1682
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:46,400
lighten this move because this
is the fuck, reach, a keyless.

1683
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:50,400
Okay, I'm gonna start this off
by reading a quote to you.

1684
01:38:50,500 --> 01:38:53,200
Okay.
I'm going to try to do it in my

1685
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:58,300
voice and your fancy voice
actor, voice and know, and I'm

1686
01:38:58,300 --> 01:39:00,900
gonna mock somebody.
So I'm going to, I'm going to

1687
01:39:00,900 --> 01:39:04,000
try to do it in his voice as
much as I can, okay.

1688
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:10,500
In 2014.
I had a nightmare where I'm a

1689
01:39:10,500 --> 01:39:12,600
spirit hanging out with other
spirits.

1690
01:39:13,100 --> 01:39:16,800
And I show them this trick, I
can do moving an object on a

1691
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:20,500
table without touching it.
Like I like what I tried it

1692
01:39:20,500 --> 01:39:24,500
against Paris to do during my
investigations the denim

1693
01:39:24,500 --> 01:39:28,800
suddenly in front of a door and
I can't control my body and a

1694
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:33,600
door opens a 12-foot tall.
Goat figure is standing there

1695
01:39:33,900 --> 01:39:38,100
and dark black.
Smoke comes out of his mouth and

1696
01:39:38,500 --> 01:39:43,400
I'm forced to inhale it when I
wake up my lungs hurt.

1697
01:39:43,500 --> 01:39:47,400
And I know that this was some
serious shit.

1698
01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:51,700
That meant something I'm sitting
here trying to figure out what

1699
01:39:51,700 --> 01:39:56,500
voice you were doing.
I was that big ants.

1700
01:39:57,000 --> 01:39:58,600
Oh my God.
You're right.

1701
01:39:58,600 --> 01:40:01,200
Okay, you're right.
He does do that, like weird.

1702
01:40:01,200 --> 01:40:07,100
Um, did you do to make fun?
One of Michael's people.

1703
01:40:09,400 --> 01:40:13,800
So that quote, was, from Zach's
movie do, you know, house, like,

1704
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:17,000
watch that 18.
I tried to watch it as much as I

1705
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:20,100
could.
It has real mixed reviews on

1706
01:40:20,100 --> 01:40:23,600
Reddit people.
Some people are like, very angry

1707
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:27,200
about it.
I kind of was just like, I don't

1708
01:40:27,200 --> 01:40:31,400
know, like, I don't know why.
I still like Zak Bagans.

1709
01:40:31,500 --> 01:40:35,300
I just do.
I hate his voice so much.

1710
01:40:35,500 --> 01:40:39,100
And I was like this, like how he
was saying like the last part,

1711
01:40:39,100 --> 01:40:44,500
the Poveglia Island episode from
like way back like 20 seasons

1712
01:40:44,500 --> 01:40:47,500
ago is one of my favorite
episodes because that was the,

1713
01:40:47,500 --> 01:40:51,600
that was one with the, what you
call it but vaguely Island was

1714
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:56,300
where they had the Black Death.
The people who were they put in

1715
01:40:56,300 --> 01:40:57,900
Italy?
Italy, sent the people who were

1716
01:40:57,900 --> 01:41:01,700
dying from the plague down.
Yes, right yes.

1717
01:41:01,700 --> 01:41:04,500
Okay, it's a good episode.
There's also a very long time

1718
01:41:04,500 --> 01:41:10,500
ago but It's just like I hate
how he he talks and his voice

1719
01:41:10,500 --> 01:41:13,100
and like he talks like my kids
are trying to imitate me.

1720
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:14,700
Like, you're talking real good
dude.

1721
01:41:15,500 --> 01:41:17,400
You know what I mean?
Hi, I'm Brian.

1722
01:41:17,500 --> 01:41:19,900
The series of videos that they
released during quarantine are

1723
01:41:19,900 --> 01:41:22,800
some of my favorite because they
go through and they talked about

1724
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:25,400
previous cases and they watch
it, like, they washed it in like

1725
01:41:25,400 --> 01:41:28,700
a movie theater by themselves
and they talked about stuff and

1726
01:41:28,700 --> 01:41:30,400
I thought like the
behind-the-scenes nature of it

1727
01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:33,600
is very interesting to me, but
there is stuff that goes Hunters

1728
01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:37,000
do that show that I don't like
Like Yeah, from a like, TV show

1729
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:38,400
perspective.
Yeah, absolutely.

1730
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:41,300
It's the same way that haunted
on Netflix, like tries to make

1731
01:41:41,300 --> 01:41:46,900
it seem more scary than it is.
Yes, I have just given me the

1732
01:41:46,900 --> 01:41:49,100
good story.
You didn't need to like add the

1733
01:41:49,100 --> 01:41:51,800
weird like here's the thing that
bothers me, right?

1734
01:41:51,800 --> 01:41:54,400
I'm watching a show, right?
And they're trying to do EVPs

1735
01:41:54,400 --> 01:41:58,400
mmm and there's background music
and there's background sounds

1736
01:41:58,400 --> 01:42:01,300
like I can't holy sounds.
I can't hear that EVP?

1737
01:42:01,300 --> 01:42:05,800
Yeah.
But anyway so talking Demon

1738
01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:07,900
house.
So yeah let me get a photo.

1739
01:42:07,900 --> 01:42:14,300
Oh interesting I'm so surprised
as much as I dislike Zak Bagans

1740
01:42:14,300 --> 01:42:17,700
and maybe the Ghost Adventures
crew because of you know just

1741
01:42:17,700 --> 01:42:21,700
just as bad TV this is fucking
bad TV and what is it maybe this

1742
01:42:21,700 --> 01:42:25,100
is my version like you know like
one of my co-workers watches The

1743
01:42:25,100 --> 01:42:28,100
Bachelorette like religiously
and she's like it's just good

1744
01:42:28,100 --> 01:42:31,500
trash TV.
Maybe Ghost Hunters for knows.

1745
01:42:31,500 --> 01:42:35,200
He's good pair is it's bad
paranormal TV and my love it.

1746
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:37,200
Oh my God.
Watch it till the day.

1747
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:41,300
I die like.
Then I'm a hornet like there.

1748
01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:43,900
But, you know, as much as I just
like them, they're basically

1749
01:42:43,900 --> 01:42:46,300
like everywhere.
I try like I want to look

1750
01:42:46,300 --> 01:42:47,500
everywhere, you want to go
there?

1751
01:42:47,500 --> 01:42:49,100
Yeah, everywhere.
Exactly.

1752
01:42:49,100 --> 01:42:52,200
So you know, I give that I gave
it up to him for like, they're

1753
01:42:52,200 --> 01:42:57,000
investigating side note.
If you check the discovery Plus

1754
01:42:57,000 --> 01:43:00,200
app because I should have sent
you the password you did, there

1755
01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:05,700
is a like three-hour-long like
Pennhurst Asylum, like Type

1756
01:43:05,700 --> 01:43:09,200
thing they stayed there for like
well past like two weeks look

1757
01:43:09,200 --> 01:43:12,600
Brittany his his movie was an
hour and a half, it's not from

1758
01:43:12,600 --> 01:43:15,100
him, it's another group, okay?
But another group of people stay

1759
01:43:15,100 --> 01:43:16,700
at Pennhurst for like two weeks.
It's not bad.

1760
01:43:16,700 --> 01:43:19,100
As what the sea level is our
have reverse table trying to

1761
01:43:19,100 --> 01:43:20,700
watch.
The only wants to 20 minutes, it

1762
01:43:20,700 --> 01:43:24,600
has like I'm done regular
episodes are 45 minutes.

1763
01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:27,700
It's only like a double look.
And then I was like, okay let me

1764
01:43:27,700 --> 01:43:31,700
go I go back and try to finish
watching it so I watched it for

1765
01:43:31,700 --> 01:43:34,700
like another hour and I was
like, okay, okay, you've seen

1766
01:43:34,700 --> 01:43:36,600
most of it.
Yeah, I see most of it.

1767
01:43:36,600 --> 01:43:40,100
Okay, but did you watch their
Tiger King episode?

1768
01:43:40,100 --> 01:43:42,500
I did.
That was comedy.

1769
01:43:42,600 --> 01:43:44,500
I know I did not, and I was
like, what does it got to do

1770
01:43:44,500 --> 01:43:47,700
with paranormal stuff guys?
Haunted Tigers.

1771
01:43:47,900 --> 01:43:53,800
Well, no, they brought in
cadaver dogs and got hit.

1772
01:43:54,100 --> 01:43:57,700
Oh, for potential bodies.
That might have been discarded

1773
01:43:57,700 --> 01:44:02,300
on the property, like, tigers.
Well know people that, I mean,

1774
01:44:02,300 --> 01:44:05,200
Joe Exotic was doing some real.
Oh, yeah, I know, I know.

1775
01:44:05,400 --> 01:44:08,100
So and they apparently like
people who work there said that

1776
01:44:08,100 --> 01:44:10,800
there was like an area on the
outskirts, where they would like

1777
01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:15,400
throw all the dead like
carcasses for me, everything.

1778
01:44:15,400 --> 01:44:17,600
And, at some point, they said
somebody tried to like climb

1779
01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:22,000
over a fence and they got got
who and thrown in the pile, got

1780
01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:25,100
it.
I guess I'd watch that sometime

1781
01:44:25,100 --> 01:44:28,200
whatever I'll do whenever
whenever I'm feeling bored and

1782
01:44:28,700 --> 01:44:30,600
that's happens to me.
Like honestly lately, I've been

1783
01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:33,100
falling asleep to go shows and I
don't know if that's good for my

1784
01:44:33,100 --> 01:44:35,400
general psych but like, I don't
know.

1785
01:44:35,500 --> 01:44:38,200
It's exact Megan's voice does
make me feel sleepy.

1786
01:44:38,200 --> 01:44:39,300
Yeah.
Because it's boring as fuck

1787
01:44:39,400 --> 01:44:43,400
anyway.
Anyway, won't you my story

1788
01:44:43,400 --> 01:44:46,400
today?
Anyway, today I'll be going in

1789
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:51,200
to get the emmalin's haunting or
the house of two hundred demons

1790
01:44:51,300 --> 01:44:54,800
or as a lot of people who know
Demon House.

1791
01:44:55,800 --> 01:44:58,100
Oh, I didn't know that was what
it was called.

1792
01:44:58,100 --> 01:45:00,100
Yeah.
If so I feel bad because I

1793
01:45:00,100 --> 01:45:02,500
definitely watch that whole
little thing and I don't

1794
01:45:02,500 --> 01:45:10,500
remember that at all being said,
so, So I guess I have to give

1795
01:45:10,500 --> 01:45:14,100
some credit to, you know, Zack
for this since I did watch the

1796
01:45:14,100 --> 01:45:18,800
movie and you know, some, so
where's so our researchers are

1797
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:20,800
over that.
Some of it, not all of it like a

1798
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:22,400
little the last part.
Yes.

1799
01:45:22,700 --> 01:45:25,800
That's all your games that last
little bit and you gotta wait

1800
01:45:25,800 --> 01:45:28,400
till the end of mystery here by
right then, I will wait till the

1801
01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:31,400
end.
So, anyway, let's get to those

1802
01:45:31,400 --> 01:45:37,200
stories.
So in November 2011, When the

1803
01:45:37,200 --> 01:45:43,700
Toya Emmons in her family, move
into a house in Gary Indiana.

1804
01:45:44,300 --> 01:45:50,400
So it's her family is her mother
Rosa, Campbell and her three

1805
01:45:50,400 --> 01:45:54,900
children their ages are 7 9 and
12.

1806
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:58,900
The 12 year old is her daughter.
The two other children are her

1807
01:45:58,900 --> 01:46:03,800
sons.
Okay, soon as I move in or I

1808
01:46:03,800 --> 01:46:09,000
guess not as soon as moving but
soon Some big black flies start

1809
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:13,600
to swarm in her clothes off.
You know, how to have that close

1810
01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:15,900
iPad porch, right?
The same thing that always

1811
01:46:15,900 --> 01:46:17,900
happens in every.
Yeah, yeah.

1812
01:46:17,900 --> 01:46:21,000
Basically, the main story which
is that fly suddenly appear in

1813
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:22,500
the dead of winter, blah, blah,
blah.

1814
01:46:22,600 --> 01:46:26,800
It's in yeah, it's in December.
If December 2011 and also in the

1815
01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:28,800
Amityville house as well.
That was a situation.

1816
01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:31,500
Yeah, Zach also mentioned that
he thought this was going to be

1817
01:46:31,500 --> 01:46:33,300
his next, a manner, the next
Amity.

1818
01:46:34,900 --> 01:46:36,000
Why do you see?
Listen.

1819
01:46:36,200 --> 01:46:37,700
A while.
Since I watched I watched it.

1820
01:46:37,700 --> 01:46:40,400
Like, as soon as it came out,
I'll be really honest.

1821
01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:44,800
I think I got Discovery plus so
I could watch it and I just have

1822
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:47,600
been paying for it because now
it's got so much good content on

1823
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:50,300
Discovery plus, I'm not doing
any more clothes from until the

1824
01:46:50,300 --> 01:46:54,500
end and so I'm done with this.
But yeah, he did say that he

1825
01:46:54,500 --> 01:46:57,000
knows will be the next Amity and
it should run because because of

1826
01:46:57,000 --> 01:46:59,300
the Flies and stuff any because
it started with flies.

1827
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:06,300
So yeah, it's December.
And you know how, you know, No

1828
01:47:07,100 --> 01:47:09,700
everything dies.
That's one reason why I love

1829
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:13,900
fall and winter is because flies
die all bugs die.

1830
01:47:13,900 --> 01:47:16,200
They go or they hibernate
whatever, I don't care what

1831
01:47:16,200 --> 01:47:17,900
happens to him.
They're not around me anymore.

1832
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:20,700
That's true, that's true.
That's why I like to come out

1833
01:47:20,700 --> 01:47:24,500
more in the fall and winter
because I don't have to deal

1834
01:47:24,500 --> 01:47:28,200
bugs.
But you know, it's December.

1835
01:47:28,500 --> 01:47:31,900
How are these flies, you know,
out on a porch like this?

1836
01:47:33,900 --> 01:47:35,800
Either way, the Flyers were
killed.

1837
01:47:36,200 --> 01:47:40,800
But for some reason the Flies
were always come back Latoya's

1838
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:45,900
mom, Rosa Campbell is reported
saying we killed them and kill

1839
01:47:45,900 --> 01:47:48,800
them and killed them but they
kept coming back.

1840
01:47:51,500 --> 01:47:56,400
I mean I guess flies can come be
around in a code time cold

1841
01:47:56,400 --> 01:48:00,400
months in wintertime like inside
your house, you keep it warm in

1842
01:48:00,400 --> 01:48:04,500
there anyway so I I guess if
like you're getting fruit from

1843
01:48:04,500 --> 01:48:09,400
other places and the fruit dies
because their stuff on the yeah,

1844
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:12,100
I think that's I mean, but these
aren't fruit flies are like they

1845
01:48:12,100 --> 01:48:14,500
said, they were like, what?
Like I mean they can't survive

1846
01:48:14,500 --> 01:48:17,100
freezing temps.
No, there's no absolutely not.

1847
01:48:18,200 --> 01:48:19,800
And they don't hibernate, either
most of them.

1848
01:48:19,800 --> 01:48:21,700
Don't know.
There are some hibernating five

1849
01:48:21,700 --> 01:48:27,100
species from other countries.
So next time, big ol Hornets.

1850
01:48:27,200 --> 01:48:29,800
Oh my God, come back, that we
great.

1851
01:48:29,800 --> 01:48:32,000
Not the murder ones.
Like the ones that attacked the

1852
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:33,900
cicadas, they scare the crap out
of me.

1853
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:38,600
I just hate cicada killers.
Yes, there's a bunch of them out

1854
01:48:38,600 --> 01:48:40,300
front because it's the Cadence
and it.

1855
01:48:40,300 --> 01:48:43,500
No, they don't but they dive
bomb the area and it scares the

1856
01:48:43,500 --> 01:48:46,800
crap out of me when I'm waiting
to go to work in the morning.

1857
01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:52,400
So I end up walking out to,
like, the street away from like,

1858
01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:54,300
where the nests.
Are they scared the crap out of

1859
01:48:54,300 --> 01:48:55,200
Me, I see.
I see.

1860
01:48:55,208 --> 01:48:57,400
They just had a big stinky
stinky B.

1861
01:48:57,400 --> 01:49:00,700
They do have the big looks like
a big singer but it's, I guess

1862
01:49:00,700 --> 01:49:03,400
it just for the kicks, the part
where they attack the cicada and

1863
01:49:03,400 --> 01:49:05,400
murder it.
It's not for us.

1864
01:49:05,400 --> 01:49:08,400
Like when I first saw home, when
he first likes are appearing.

1865
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:09,600
I was like, what the fuck is
this?

1866
01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:12,600
Because I don't really like
playing around stinky things.

1867
01:49:12,600 --> 01:49:15,000
My one friend works in
landscaping and one day, he

1868
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:17,700
likes showed up to a property
and they were all over the place

1869
01:49:18,100 --> 01:49:20,800
and he like called his boss.
And was like what are these

1870
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:22,000
bugs?
Yeah.

1871
01:49:22,100 --> 01:49:25,400
And like his boss was just like
R called cicada killer, as he

1872
01:49:25,400 --> 01:49:30,400
said, if you don't want to Brave
the landscape, you can just file

1873
01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:33,700
this as a, in an inaccessible
property.

1874
01:49:33,700 --> 01:49:35,900
My God.
He was like, they were scared.

1875
01:49:35,900 --> 01:49:38,700
I was like, right here called me
was like, have you ever heard of

1876
01:49:38,700 --> 01:49:41,400
a cicada killer?
And I'm like, I was just telling

1877
01:49:41,400 --> 01:49:45,800
Mike a about these fuckers.
The other day we were getting

1878
01:49:45,800 --> 01:49:48,500
off the bus and they were all
over these bushes near the

1879
01:49:48,500 --> 01:49:49,900
bowling alley.
It was a weird.

1880
01:49:49,900 --> 01:49:52,100
Yeah.
Hmm.

1881
01:49:52,500 --> 01:49:55,000
But anyway.
But anyway, back to flies, we're

1882
01:49:55,000 --> 01:49:56,800
all over the place tonight.
I'm so sorry.

1883
01:49:56,800 --> 01:50:02,400
People, listen, so next in the
story, Rosa starts to see this

1884
01:50:02,400 --> 01:50:06,200
shadowy figure just pacing out
in the living room at night.

1885
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:11,400
So she goes to investigate, you
know, see who the hell's in the

1886
01:50:11,400 --> 01:50:15,500
house and as soon as she gets
closer, the shadowy figure like

1887
01:50:15,500 --> 01:50:23,100
vanishes. but, She found wet
boot prints.

1888
01:50:23,700 --> 01:50:26,700
Where is this figure was at?
Oh no.

1889
01:50:26,700 --> 01:50:31,300
Yeah.
She also claims to have been

1890
01:50:31,900 --> 01:50:36,300
choked by an unknown Force.
Unfun in the house as well.

1891
01:50:36,300 --> 01:50:38,700
Yeah, I know it's not kinky at
all.

1892
01:50:39,700 --> 01:50:41,900
Not the kind of fun that we
want.

1893
01:50:42,400 --> 01:50:46,500
So let's do it.
Latoya and Rosa, they claim to

1894
01:50:46,500 --> 01:50:51,400
hear footsteps from the basement
steadily making their way up the

1895
01:50:51,400 --> 01:50:55,400
stairs.
Then the basement door opens.

1896
01:50:56,600 --> 01:51:00,400
And nobody would be there.
There we go.

1897
01:51:00,900 --> 01:51:02,300
Nice poop.
Yeah.

1898
01:51:04,600 --> 01:51:11,800
Okay so one night it's like some
some sources say it's a

1899
01:51:11,800 --> 01:51:14,900
sleepover I think it's it's a
sleepover because that's what I

1900
01:51:14,907 --> 01:51:17,400
get from those sources but some
sources add some more stuff to

1901
01:51:17,400 --> 01:51:22,800
it.
So one night, one more toy is 12

1902
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:24,500
year old daughter.
She's having a sleepover in her

1903
01:51:24,500 --> 01:51:26,700
grandmother's room.
Was when her friends.

1904
01:51:26,700 --> 01:51:30,300
Now their relatives over at the
house they're mourning a death

1905
01:51:30,300 --> 01:51:39,200
of somebody in the family.
When Latoya sees her daughter

1906
01:51:39,900 --> 01:51:45,900
asleep floating above the bed.
She yells to Rosa?

1907
01:51:47,000 --> 01:51:50,400
Yeah, well she also rolls into
coming to the room and check it

1908
01:51:50,400 --> 01:51:54,700
out.
So her Rosa other family

1909
01:51:54,700 --> 01:51:58,800
members, they go into the room
and days basically like this

1910
01:51:58,800 --> 01:52:01,700
from round the bed and then they
start praying around it.

1911
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:06,200
Oh God.
And then like there's praying

1912
01:52:06,200 --> 01:52:10,600
for a while and Eventually she
stopped flowing.

1913
01:52:10,600 --> 01:52:12,200
I'm not sure it was the crazy
guy.

1914
01:52:12,300 --> 01:52:14,900
Yeah, I'm not sure if it was
because of the the praying, but

1915
01:52:14,900 --> 01:52:16,900
probably not.
As, you know, she's just

1916
01:52:16,900 --> 01:52:21,200
floating.
She wakes up and she has no

1917
01:52:21,200 --> 01:52:25,300
memory of this happening at all.
Yeah, Sparrow the relatives that

1918
01:52:25,300 --> 01:52:28,000
were there left and refused to
come back ever.

1919
01:52:28,100 --> 01:52:32,600
Ha, ha, I mean totally
understandable, but still funny.

1920
01:52:32,600 --> 01:52:38,500
Yeah, You're like oh we're gonna
have a potluck.

1921
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:42,600
Do you want to come listen?
Last time?

1922
01:52:43,000 --> 01:52:45,800
One of your kids was like two
feet above the bed.

1923
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:49,000
I'm gonna have to pass.
It's like what your family knows

1924
01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:51,400
that you got roaches like.
Well you got those really got to

1925
01:52:52,200 --> 01:52:53,500
know.
You got those ghosts up in

1926
01:52:53,500 --> 01:53:01,700
there?
Oh my God.

1927
01:53:02,900 --> 01:53:07,900
It'll be me and a ghost chilling
during this talk a selfie.

1928
01:53:07,900 --> 01:53:09,400
There's like a random hand
behind you.

1929
01:53:10,900 --> 01:53:13,700
These are demons not go straight
that I wanted to get enzyme cool

1930
01:53:13,700 --> 01:53:16,000
with ghosts but not demons.
And really I'm not cool with

1931
01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:17,900
ghosts.
If we're honest, this is true.

1932
01:53:18,100 --> 01:53:19,600
I just want to hang out and
watch them.

1933
01:53:20,500 --> 01:53:25,600
So during this time the kids are
missing school irregularly

1934
01:53:27,800 --> 01:53:32,900
behaving, weird request problems
that raise concern.

1935
01:53:35,700 --> 01:53:38,000
Latoya had her physician come
out.

1936
01:53:38,000 --> 01:53:39,300
His name is oh I did not look
up.

1937
01:53:39,300 --> 01:53:41,300
His last name was I'm going to
say his first name is name was

1938
01:53:41,300 --> 01:53:44,200
Jeffrey.
Jeffrey basis.

1939
01:53:44,300 --> 01:53:48,300
No Jeffrey only okay.
Own only yes.

1940
01:53:48,300 --> 01:53:53,100
Something how do you spell it?
Oh and yeu KW.

1941
01:53:53,100 --> 01:53:55,700
You know, thank you.
See exactly.

1942
01:53:55,800 --> 01:54:03,200
So anyway and he Witnesses the
kids acting like they're

1943
01:54:03,200 --> 01:54:09,200
delusional.
So the kids are taken to a

1944
01:54:09,200 --> 01:54:12,000
hospital and an IR.
Oh boy.

1945
01:54:12,800 --> 01:54:17,300
He seems like he's fine but the
youngest the 701 he's about he's

1946
01:54:17,300 --> 01:54:20,100
like thrashing around and like
fighting everything.

1947
01:54:21,600 --> 01:54:25,200
I don't know when this happens
that this next part I want to

1948
01:54:25,200 --> 01:54:31,400
tell you but I'm going to say
When they're back home, but I'm

1949
01:54:31,407 --> 01:54:35,000
going to just add it in here
right now at some point, the

1950
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:37,400
nine-year-old goes flying across
the room.

1951
01:54:38,500 --> 01:54:43,000
Oh no, no explanation at all.
Nobody knows what happened to

1952
01:54:43,008 --> 01:54:46,000
you just was drawn by an
invisible force, okay?

1953
01:54:48,200 --> 01:54:51,800
But yeah, so at home, I guess
not at home.

1954
01:54:52,100 --> 01:54:57,300
So, They're at the hospital,
right?

1955
01:54:59,100 --> 01:55:06,900
So DCS or CPS whatever you want
to call it the different names.

1956
01:55:06,900 --> 01:55:09,700
Different states is all the
same, I think any call welfare.

1957
01:55:09,700 --> 01:55:11,900
Yeah.
You know, they come check on the

1958
01:55:11,907 --> 01:55:15,200
kids at the hospital I think I
remember this part of the movie.

1959
01:55:15,300 --> 01:55:21,500
Okay so the case manager Valerie
Washington has a privilege of

1960
01:55:21,500 --> 01:55:25,000
doing the initial best
investigation while she was

1961
01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:28,000
interviewing is seven-year-old.
He starts growling.

1962
01:55:29,400 --> 01:55:32,100
It's growling at her.
So now I got this from Wikipedia

1963
01:55:32,100 --> 01:55:35,600
and that Wikipedia says that
this happens with I thought it

1964
01:55:35,600 --> 01:55:37,900
said with a nine-year-old but I
think the nine-year-old does

1965
01:55:37,900 --> 01:55:41,600
the, I don't know.
Anyway, they mean, I don't mix

1966
01:55:41,600 --> 01:55:45,000
up a little bit.
Okay, so be careful, resources

1967
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:50,600
kids.
Anyway, the younger boy, he

1968
01:55:50,600 --> 01:55:52,500
grabs.
So she's in the room.

1969
01:55:52,500 --> 01:55:55,100
Interviewing the seven year old,
but he's in a room with his

1970
01:55:55,100 --> 01:55:56,700
nine-year-old, brother.
Okay.

1971
01:55:57,000 --> 01:56:01,200
So the younger boy grabs, his
brothers throat and start, you

1972
01:56:01,208 --> 01:56:06,000
know, starts choking him.
It takes a couple adults to pry

1973
01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:17,200
his hands off of him. later on
Valerie and an RN, they, they

1974
01:56:17,200 --> 01:56:21,500
talk to the boys and accept
another separate exam room and

1975
01:56:22,900 --> 01:56:24,400
This is where it starts getting
weird.

1976
01:56:24,400 --> 01:56:29,200
So again the seven-year-old is
growing at his brother, then he

1977
01:56:29,200 --> 01:56:36,200
starts saying things, he says um
it's time to die and but you

1978
01:56:36,200 --> 01:56:38,000
know what kids do be saying,
weird stuff like that.

1979
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:44,000
I know he think you my kids do
kids are weird well, you says it

1980
01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:47,600
in like a deep voice.
He's like it's time to die and I

1981
01:56:47,600 --> 01:56:50,000
will kill you.
Okay, things like that.

1982
01:56:53,000 --> 01:56:55,500
At this time.
Oh right.

1983
01:56:55,900 --> 01:56:58,500
Rosa is also in this exam room
with them.

1984
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:05,200
So that's their grand mom and
she's like holding the nine year

1985
01:57:05,200 --> 01:57:09,600
olds hands and he's like, kind
of head-butting her in the

1986
01:57:09,600 --> 01:57:12,400
stomach for some reason, I'm not
sure why.

1987
01:57:12,700 --> 01:57:17,000
But you know, he started acting
weird so he begins to smile a

1988
01:57:17,000 --> 01:57:22,500
very, very creepily and as he
still holding his, what Rosa?

1989
01:57:23,600 --> 01:57:27,500
He starts walking backwards
towards the wall.

1990
01:57:28,300 --> 01:57:29,800
I do remember that.
Down.

1991
01:57:32,300 --> 01:57:34,800
And like, he doesn't stop at the
war.

1992
01:57:34,900 --> 01:57:37,200
He starts to climb up the wall
backwards.

1993
01:57:37,200 --> 01:57:41,000
Yep.
Like Spider-Man style.

1994
01:57:41,000 --> 01:57:43,000
Yeah, so holding hands with
Rosa.

1995
01:57:43,400 --> 01:57:48,100
I remember this.
Okay, he's in flips from the

1996
01:57:48,108 --> 01:57:53,200
wall over Valerie.
And I said, this whole time you

1997
01:57:53,200 --> 01:57:58,900
still holding roses hits in Like
is just creepy.

1998
01:57:58,900 --> 01:58:01,800
Like how are you doing this?
We were just walking up to a

1999
01:58:01,800 --> 01:58:05,100
like, as yeah.
I saw this and I was like, hmm,

2000
01:58:05,900 --> 01:58:09,700
that seems weird.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2001
01:58:10,900 --> 01:58:13,300
Oh, right.
So there's this picture, I'm

2002
01:58:13,300 --> 01:58:15,700
gonna be seeing this picture.
There's this picture of the

2003
01:58:15,700 --> 01:58:21,300
house is of the exterior of the
house, of course, and in it, you

2004
01:58:21,300 --> 01:58:27,600
can see like White is Shadow and
I don't know what you would call

2005
01:58:27,600 --> 01:58:29,200
that.
It's a white shadow, okay?

2006
01:58:29,400 --> 01:58:32,100
I just I love saying it because
I love watched her bubble in his

2007
01:58:32,100 --> 01:58:36,300
like white shadow.
Okay, this is way too shadow in

2008
01:58:36,300 --> 01:58:41,400
one of the windows, no one was
home at the time so it was

2009
01:58:41,400 --> 01:58:44,600
published by the Indy star.
Okay?

2010
01:58:45,200 --> 01:58:50,600
With the caption saying it was
taken by the him him on the

2011
01:58:50,600 --> 01:58:56,600
police, but the Hammond, Police
chief said that it wasn't an

2012
01:58:56,600 --> 01:59:01,200
official police photo and it
wasn't taken by any police

2013
01:59:01,200 --> 01:59:03,600
authorities.
So, okay.

2014
01:59:03,600 --> 01:59:05,200
I don't know.
I don't know where they got this

2015
01:59:05,200 --> 01:59:09,400
picture from.
So yeah, whatever know I could

2016
01:59:09,400 --> 01:59:10,600
have just been something.
Somebody did.

2017
01:59:10,700 --> 01:59:11,500
Yeah.
True, true.

2018
01:59:11,500 --> 01:59:14,100
True.
Okay.

2019
01:59:14,100 --> 01:59:21,300
So DCS swoops in and they take
emergency custody of the kids

2020
01:59:22,400 --> 01:59:24,400
Valley.
Washington reported that the

2021
01:59:24,400 --> 01:59:27,300
children were experiencing the
spiritual and emotional

2022
01:59:27,300 --> 01:59:30,700
distress.
Now, this was all you know,

2023
01:59:30,700 --> 01:59:36,400
temporary placement of course,
so DCS.

2024
01:59:36,400 --> 01:59:40,200
They said that Latoya neglected,
the kids write it like why she?

2025
01:59:40,600 --> 01:59:45,200
She neglected their education by
Having them in school regularly.

2026
01:59:46,500 --> 01:59:51,200
Apparently this was also an
issue back in 2009 when she did

2027
01:59:51,200 --> 01:59:56,300
the same thing with them.
So he is like three years before

2028
01:59:56,300 --> 01:59:59,900
they moved into this house.
So I don't know what the issue

2029
01:59:59,900 --> 02:00:03,400
was back.
Then the toy is said that the

2030
02:00:03,400 --> 02:00:05,200
spirits would make the kids
sick.

2031
02:00:06,200 --> 02:00:09,400
Or that they would, you know,
keep them up all night long,

2032
02:00:09,800 --> 02:00:11,000
right?
Okay.

2033
02:00:11,500 --> 02:00:13,100
That's why I didn't go to
school.

2034
02:00:15,400 --> 02:00:20,400
The kids were evaluated by a
psych by some psychologists and

2035
02:00:20,400 --> 02:00:22,700
they came to the conclusion that
the kids were probably just

2036
02:00:22,700 --> 02:00:25,600
playing along with their mothers
Theory or you know, how her

2037
02:00:25,600 --> 02:00:27,900
stories and you know, just
trying to appease her.

2038
02:00:28,100 --> 02:00:29,200
No, no.
I understand what they're

2039
02:00:29,200 --> 02:00:30,400
saying.
Yeah.

2040
02:00:32,700 --> 02:00:35,200
So what she's at her like her
Wits End?

2041
02:00:35,200 --> 02:00:37,800
Right now the kids are gone
demons in the house.

2042
02:00:37,900 --> 02:00:41,000
People think she's crazy like
it's rough.

2043
02:00:41,700 --> 02:00:46,800
So she comes.
So in comes I'm Reverend

2044
02:00:46,800 --> 02:00:49,500
Michael.
Oh I did not get your last name

2045
02:00:49,500 --> 02:00:51,800
looked up either.
It's I'm gonna say, magnet

2046
02:00:52,200 --> 02:00:58,100
Maggie Maggie, not Interviews
the family.

2047
02:00:58,700 --> 02:01:03,900
Well, the toy in her mom and he
believes them like he notices

2048
02:01:03,900 --> 02:01:05,400
that you know the house is
weird.

2049
02:01:05,400 --> 02:01:09,400
Energies off Vibes not you know
he did a Vibe checking it was

2050
02:01:09,400 --> 02:01:13,600
not right.
He determined that they were

2051
02:01:13,600 --> 02:01:17,900
being tormented by demons as
well as Latoya was being like

2052
02:01:18,000 --> 02:01:19,600
she's probably possessed by a
demon.

2053
02:01:22,300 --> 02:01:25,200
And he told Latoya and Rosa,
she's not saying a house.

2054
02:01:25,600 --> 02:01:29,100
So they go live with some
relatives for a while.

2055
02:01:30,300 --> 02:01:32,500
So we're going to fast forward
this because I'm just going to

2056
02:01:32,500 --> 02:01:36,800
get to the meat disposal, the
end part, I guess.

2057
02:01:38,000 --> 02:01:42,800
Um, so Rebel micro he comes in,
he exercises, the house and

2058
02:01:42,800 --> 02:01:45,300
Latoya, right?
And is accessed.

2059
02:01:45,500 --> 02:01:50,000
So, Latoya is then reunited with
her children.

2060
02:01:50,400 --> 02:01:56,700
And after everything happens,
they move to Indianapolis.

2061
02:01:58,300 --> 02:02:03,000
So that's basically the story of
that.

2062
02:02:03,000 --> 02:02:06,400
So let's go into some of the
Skeptics.

2063
02:02:06,700 --> 02:02:14,800
I'll just do like the Skeptics.
I know, I know, but I gotta

2064
02:02:14,900 --> 02:02:17,000
because they're good Skeptics,
okay?

2065
02:02:17,000 --> 02:02:19,800
Like I said, she had her
physician Jeffrey coming, right?

2066
02:02:20,300 --> 02:02:24,100
And he was as he said he was
skeptical the entire incident.

2067
02:02:25,300 --> 02:02:28,600
Like he didn't like when he came
to know about it with the kids

2068
02:02:28,600 --> 02:02:30,300
and stuff like that.
He said, he didn't notice

2069
02:02:30,300 --> 02:02:35,900
anything paranormal.
He just said that they had

2070
02:02:35,900 --> 02:02:40,100
delusions of ghosts in their
house and or hallucinations.

2071
02:02:42,300 --> 02:02:45,300
And like I said, the children
had a history irregular

2072
02:02:45,300 --> 02:02:49,700
attendance.
So that was like a claim that

2073
02:02:49,700 --> 02:02:56,800
was placed back in 2009.
But yeah she she claimed that no

2074
02:02:56,800 --> 02:02:58,500
it was the ghost that were
keeping them up.

2075
02:03:00,200 --> 02:03:06,100
Let's see what else, right?
Okay.

2076
02:03:06,100 --> 02:03:12,800
So this is funny Charles Reid,
he's a landlord that, you know

2077
02:03:13,100 --> 02:03:17,800
running this house out to her.
He said he never experienced any

2078
02:03:17,800 --> 02:03:20,700
Supernatural events at the
house, right?

2079
02:03:20,700 --> 02:03:22,700
I do remember that the new owner
doesn't feel anything.

2080
02:03:22,900 --> 02:03:24,400
Right.
Huh, that's funny.

2081
02:03:24,400 --> 02:03:28,200
I'll get to that later.
Also, like his prior assignments

2082
02:03:28,200 --> 02:03:30,900
to her moving in there.
They never experience anything

2083
02:03:30,900 --> 02:03:35,200
either.
He said that Latoya was behind

2084
02:03:35,200 --> 02:03:40,600
on lease though and use the the
Paranormal claims to avoid

2085
02:03:40,600 --> 02:03:43,400
making payments to her.
They can rent payments.

2086
02:03:43,800 --> 02:03:45,800
I don't know.
Because I remember seeing the

2087
02:03:45,800 --> 02:03:51,100
lady and she was like she was so
afraid of anything to do with

2088
02:03:51,100 --> 02:03:52,400
the house.
That is true.

2089
02:03:52,400 --> 02:03:55,900
She would not The fact that he
had been in it at all, she was

2090
02:03:55,900 --> 02:03:57,400
like you're not allowed in here.
Yeah.

2091
02:03:57,500 --> 02:03:59,500
So you can't even come be near
me.

2092
02:03:59,900 --> 02:04:02,600
You were in, she's like, have
you already been in the house?

2093
02:04:02,700 --> 02:04:04,600
Yes, you can't.
Come here because Denton

2094
02:04:05,100 --> 02:04:07,800
zach-bots it eventually, right?
Yes, this is where.

2095
02:04:07,800 --> 02:04:09,300
Hey, yeah.
This is actually what we're

2096
02:04:09,300 --> 02:04:13,600
going to do next.
So, yeah, in 2014, mr.

2097
02:04:13,700 --> 02:04:17,100
Zachary Baggins Beggin Beggin
Beggin.

2098
02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:19,800
I'm sorry.
He says that the beat of every

2099
02:04:19,800 --> 02:04:21,300
episode.
I'm sorry.

2100
02:04:21,300 --> 02:04:23,600
I'm Zak Bagans.
Zak Bagans.

2101
02:04:26,400 --> 02:04:29,100
Remember, it was all over the
news and then he said a lot of

2102
02:04:29,100 --> 02:04:32,100
like weird stuff happened.
You didn't kept stopping him

2103
02:04:32,100 --> 02:04:34,600
from doing the investigation,
want it?

2104
02:04:34,600 --> 02:04:36,900
Yeah.
It I guess it took him about

2105
02:04:36,900 --> 02:04:39,700
three years to actually film
this this movie.

2106
02:04:39,700 --> 02:04:43,000
He said that like there was
legal stuff, there was like

2107
02:04:43,000 --> 02:04:46,100
people quitting on him.
I'm sure that always happens at

2108
02:04:46,100 --> 02:04:47,600
that.
Yeah I mean people quitting and

2109
02:04:47,600 --> 02:04:50,600
people getting sick because of
the location.

2110
02:04:50,600 --> 02:05:04,900
Yeah. but yeah, so he bought the
house in 2014 and so This, you

2111
02:05:04,900 --> 02:05:07,800
know, this is public, everybody
knows about this stuff, you

2112
02:05:07,800 --> 02:05:12,500
know, so one of his medium
friends gets in touch with him,

2113
02:05:12,900 --> 02:05:17,500
right?
Um, did you see this part of the

2114
02:05:17,500 --> 02:05:19,000
friends that died?
No, it's a guy.

2115
02:05:19,000 --> 02:05:21,100
Okay?
Because there was another person

2116
02:05:21,100 --> 02:05:23,800
that died, I think while he was
making, it's a Chris Fleming,

2117
02:05:24,000 --> 02:05:27,600
okay?
So you see, text Zach and I want

2118
02:05:27,600 --> 02:05:32,000
to read you this text message.
Okay, okay, so it says hey bro,

2119
02:05:32,100 --> 02:05:33,900
hope you are right and not
possessed already.

2120
02:05:34,300 --> 02:05:38,500
Just got off the phone with Adam
Bali be safe.

2121
02:05:38,900 --> 02:05:44,400
So visions of this demon being
very, very large, almost like a

2122
02:05:44,407 --> 02:05:50,000
hulking type figure horns, turns
her back and centaurian.

2123
02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:55,500
Feet, be careful Adams things.
It's an 8 out of the 10.

2124
02:05:55,500 --> 02:06:00,100
On a demonic scale below Satan
himself when it comes to

2125
02:06:00,100 --> 02:06:03,400
possession.
Like one of one of the generals

2126
02:06:04,700 --> 02:06:06,600
Well, I think the thing that was
interesting to me was they never

2127
02:06:06,600 --> 02:06:09,000
really spent like a whole lot of
time there.

2128
02:06:09,300 --> 02:06:13,100
No, not really.
They, that, that was surprising

2129
02:06:13,100 --> 02:06:14,700
to me.
It wasn't a very big property.

2130
02:06:15,100 --> 02:06:17,100
No, no.
I was actually most interested

2131
02:06:17,100 --> 02:06:23,100
by the interviews with the like
social workers and attorneys and

2132
02:06:23,100 --> 02:06:24,800
people.
Yeah, folks that were there you

2133
02:06:24,800 --> 02:06:26,400
like her family?
Also frightened.

2134
02:06:26,400 --> 02:06:32,300
Yeah, her family that came on
woman who Like she went there,

2135
02:06:32,300 --> 02:06:34,300
like she was there for the
crawling up.

2136
02:06:34,300 --> 02:06:36,700
The walls said.
Yeah, this is Valerie, and then

2137
02:06:36,700 --> 02:06:38,800
she quit and moved to another
state.

2138
02:06:38,800 --> 02:06:40,300
Yep.
And was like, I'm good.

2139
02:06:40,300 --> 02:06:43,300
I'm done with working with those
definitely Valerie, children

2140
02:06:43,500 --> 02:06:46,100
forever.
Like, for me, I feel like that

2141
02:06:46,100 --> 02:06:48,900
is the kind of thing that
legitimize this stuff because

2142
02:06:48,900 --> 02:06:51,900
that's somebody who's seen, like
probably some of the worst

2143
02:06:51,900 --> 02:06:54,300
situations can ever imagine.
Yeah.

2144
02:06:54,600 --> 02:06:58,300
Like something that would make
someone who's an in an on-site

2145
02:06:58,300 --> 02:07:02,200
in-house, social worker.
Quit their job and never come

2146
02:07:02,200 --> 02:07:04,700
back to it.
They saw something terrible.

2147
02:07:05,800 --> 02:07:11,700
Yeah.
But um, Yeah I guess so.

2148
02:07:11,700 --> 02:07:14,300
Yeah exact you know this is his
house.

2149
02:07:14,900 --> 02:07:20,600
You know?
He Film this movie there, then

2150
02:07:21,200 --> 02:07:25,400
demolish the building right in
2016.

2151
02:07:27,500 --> 02:07:32,000
So, I'm believing that because I
believe what they were saying,

2152
02:07:32,000 --> 02:07:35,300
was that it was becoming because
he wasn't actively living in it.

2153
02:07:35,300 --> 02:07:38,500
Yeah, it was becoming a site for
people to show up and try and

2154
02:07:38,500 --> 02:07:42,500
scare themselves for breaking in
order this waters, getting calls

2155
02:07:42,500 --> 02:07:46,500
from the cops consistently.
So it was just easier to

2156
02:07:46,500 --> 02:07:48,200
demolish the property.
Yeah.

2157
02:07:48,200 --> 02:07:52,100
And now it's just empty and
like, you know what, you're

2158
02:07:52,100 --> 02:07:55,600
going to do pitch a tent on the
property, you'd be all right.

2159
02:07:56,700 --> 02:08:01,100
Oh my I God.
And, um, So you saw the movie,

2160
02:08:01,100 --> 02:08:02,100
right?
Oh yeah.

2161
02:08:02,200 --> 02:08:05,900
So they're like, I think a
couple times he did get like,

2162
02:08:05,900 --> 02:08:09,700
you won't, he felt bothered, he
felt possessed.

2163
02:08:09,700 --> 02:08:13,800
He had lost track of time.
Like, um, one of the security

2164
02:08:13,800 --> 02:08:18,300
videos, he was having an
argument with one of the guys,

2165
02:08:18,400 --> 02:08:21,400
one of the camera guys freaked
out.

2166
02:08:21,400 --> 02:08:24,200
Yeah.
And like lost it and then the

2167
02:08:24,200 --> 02:08:27,800
camera guy said that he saw
something on the basement, the

2168
02:08:27,800 --> 02:08:31,500
hallway it was somewhere back at
the Tell you like because I

2169
02:08:31,500 --> 02:08:34,900
believe it was Aaron or one of
the other people who does the

2170
02:08:34,900 --> 02:08:36,800
tour is like the actual ghost
things with him.

2171
02:08:36,800 --> 02:08:39,000
Yes.
Aaron like pulled his camera and

2172
02:08:39,000 --> 02:08:41,000
you just see the guy like Pace
in the hallway.

2173
02:08:41,200 --> 02:08:43,000
Having a total and complete
meltdown.

2174
02:08:43,000 --> 02:08:45,200
They were like a hope.
They weren't a hotel, a hotel

2175
02:08:45,200 --> 02:08:47,400
nearby.
And he was, he just ran out of

2176
02:08:47,400 --> 02:08:49,200
his room.
He started, he was loud and

2177
02:08:49,200 --> 02:08:50,700
cussing.
He just ran into something.

2178
02:08:50,700 --> 02:08:53,500
And then he said he went to get
in the elevator and he opens the

2179
02:08:53,508 --> 02:08:55,000
door.
And yes, I, yeah.

2180
02:08:55,000 --> 02:08:58,200
And he was cussing at it and
he's just like to the top of

2181
02:08:58,200 --> 02:09:01,400
the, yeah.
He's like what's going to El?

2182
02:09:01,400 --> 02:09:03,000
Exact was like was home to
elevator.

2183
02:09:03,000 --> 02:09:05,300
Bro, is like what's going on?
Is like nothing whatever's in

2184
02:09:05,300 --> 02:09:08,500
the whatever if anything's in
here is a bitch.

2185
02:09:08,600 --> 02:09:11,400
Like that's what you're saying.
He's like your because he was

2186
02:09:11,400 --> 02:09:15,000
called to take a bitch the whole
time and was scared too.

2187
02:09:15,100 --> 02:09:19,800
Yeah.
Like It's just I was just okay

2188
02:09:19,800 --> 02:09:24,100
well maybe you saw something
okay but saw something but no

2189
02:09:24,100 --> 02:09:29,200
Zach himself was like possessed.
Zach is as had those experiences

2190
02:09:29,200 --> 02:09:30,200
before.
Yeah.

2191
02:09:31,100 --> 02:09:35,900
And there's always lots of, you
know, discussions about it.

2192
02:09:36,600 --> 02:09:40,000
It's obviously not a traditional
possession.

2193
02:09:40,200 --> 02:09:43,800
Yeah, in what we think of
because there's there's

2194
02:09:43,800 --> 02:09:45,800
different stages, two
possessions.

2195
02:09:45,800 --> 02:09:50,100
This is true.
And we've talked about those in

2196
02:09:50,100 --> 02:09:54,100
past podcasts.
Yeah, and warns episode 02

2197
02:09:54,100 --> 02:09:56,400
Warren episodes back-to-back.
This is true.

2198
02:09:58,600 --> 02:10:02,300
But yeah, there's lots of
because you have the what do you

2199
02:10:02,300 --> 02:10:03,800
call that?
The it's not Obsession.

2200
02:10:03,800 --> 02:10:07,100
It's the oppression.
This oppression infestation and

2201
02:10:07,100 --> 02:10:10,200
I think I feel like if I say she
is a beginning, the first one of

2202
02:10:11,100 --> 02:10:17,000
those moments that Zach has are
more oppression based, its him

2203
02:10:17,000 --> 02:10:21,800
aware that there is something
they're trying to bother him.

2204
02:10:21,800 --> 02:10:26,100
Yeah, I don't I don't think he's
really fully, you know, possess

2205
02:10:26,100 --> 02:10:28,200
because that's something that
doesn't happen like that.

2206
02:10:28,300 --> 02:10:30,000
That, you know, it takes a
while.

2207
02:10:30,900 --> 02:10:34,100
Well, the process, the, the
oppression process is breaking

2208
02:10:34,100 --> 02:10:37,800
the person down.
You have trouble sleeping you.

2209
02:10:37,800 --> 02:10:40,700
You can't eat, you become
physically weak.

2210
02:10:41,700 --> 02:10:46,300
And then once you're physically
incapable of fighting back, the

2211
02:10:46,300 --> 02:10:48,200
thing, trying to gain access to
you.

2212
02:10:48,300 --> 02:10:50,000
That's where your possession.
Yep.

2213
02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:56,900
Takes over cell.
But yeah, that was my story of

2214
02:10:56,900 --> 02:11:00,000
the Demon House.
More demons.

2215
02:11:00,000 --> 02:11:02,000
Look at you.
I like, I don't know.

2216
02:11:02,000 --> 02:11:04,200
Demons are interesting.
See that's what's so interesting

2217
02:11:04,200 --> 02:11:05,500
to me.
I am thoroughly.

2218
02:11:05,500 --> 02:11:07,800
That's a real fear for me
demons.

2219
02:11:07,800 --> 02:11:10,400
He possessed just waking up in
the middle of night.

2220
02:11:10,400 --> 02:11:14,500
See, one Shadow Demon in your
corner, just Spider-Man and off

2221
02:11:14,500 --> 02:11:19,500
the wall.
Well, no, I have a situation in

2222
02:11:19,700 --> 02:11:23,600
college where I definitely felt
the whole concept of Of

2223
02:11:23,600 --> 02:11:24,900
Oppression.
I started having these

2224
02:11:24,900 --> 02:11:28,100
nightmares and everybody in the
nightmares were we were all

2225
02:11:28,100 --> 02:11:32,200
people I love and they all
somehow ended up dying in front

2226
02:11:32,200 --> 02:11:35,700
of me every time and they happen
to consistently and constantly

2227
02:11:35,700 --> 02:11:39,500
for weeks and weeks and weeks.
So I'm trying to go to school.

2228
02:11:39,600 --> 02:11:41,700
Yeah.
And the dorm and my dorm room by

2229
02:11:41,700 --> 02:11:46,800
myself.
I'm I just one of those things

2230
02:11:46,800 --> 02:11:50,300
where I'll never know, was, I
hallucinating from lack of

2231
02:11:50,300 --> 02:11:52,900
sleep.
He had a mean, but I was sitting

2232
02:11:52,900 --> 02:11:57,400
in my room by myself.
I remember there was a situation

2233
02:11:57,700 --> 02:12:01,600
with the TV turning on like,
more than once and me actively

2234
02:12:01,600 --> 02:12:04,100
turning it off.
I remember looking at the wall

2235
02:12:04,100 --> 02:12:09,000
and my roommate, had this stupid
fucking picture of these like

2236
02:12:09,000 --> 02:12:13,000
two guys carrying each other.
And one of the middle was like

2237
02:12:13,000 --> 02:12:14,500
drunk and they were carrying the
one.

2238
02:12:14,500 --> 02:12:16,700
It was said, teamwork.
I remember looking at the

2239
02:12:16,700 --> 02:12:19,900
picture and it looks like the
picture changed and then I

2240
02:12:19,907 --> 02:12:24,700
remember having a solid sense
that there was something in the

2241
02:12:24,700 --> 02:12:29,700
room with me and it was just out
of range of me, being able to

2242
02:12:29,700 --> 02:12:37,300
see it like breathing, I could
hear it and I legitimately like

2243
02:12:39,600 --> 02:12:42,400
covered myself in a pill and I
was like, oh my God, my Bible is

2244
02:12:42,400 --> 02:12:45,600
under my bed and I can't go look
for it because, you know, you

2245
02:12:45,600 --> 02:12:47,600
have those like, tall College
beds, you're right?

2246
02:12:47,600 --> 02:12:51,700
And I called one of my friends,
the only as like I called other

2247
02:12:51,700 --> 02:12:54,500
people and people didn't pick up
and I called my one friend

2248
02:12:54,800 --> 02:12:56,600
possibly the most religious
person I know.

2249
02:12:57,000 --> 02:13:01,200
And I like I was freaking out
and I was just like, I just need

2250
02:13:01,200 --> 02:13:03,700
you to like, talk me through.
I don't know what to say, I

2251
02:13:03,708 --> 02:13:06,200
don't know what to read.
I don't know what to do in the

2252
02:13:06,200 --> 02:13:10,400
situation, and then the next day
while, Oddly enough, she had

2253
02:13:10,400 --> 02:13:15,500
like a whole container of holy
oil and she like showed up the

2254
02:13:15,500 --> 02:13:17,200
next day and she's just like,
oh, yeah.

2255
02:13:17,300 --> 02:13:20,200
Whenever I move somewhere new,
my mom, like, she's like, my

2256
02:13:20,200 --> 02:13:23,200
pastor told me how to like bless
places before I move in.

2257
02:13:23,300 --> 02:13:25,600
Yeah, and it's honestly
something that I do now to, you

2258
02:13:25,600 --> 02:13:28,700
know what, I move into a new
location II believe in smudging

2259
02:13:28,700 --> 02:13:31,200
things, and I believe in also
blessing properties.

2260
02:13:31,400 --> 02:13:33,600
That's very funny.
You know why?

2261
02:13:33,700 --> 02:13:38,100
Because in this story, so today
it was told the same thing to,

2262
02:13:38,300 --> 02:13:42,000
you know, get Olive oil and
water blessed and you know,

2263
02:13:42,000 --> 02:13:44,900
bless the house and Stuff, Plus
her children like putting on the

2264
02:13:44,900 --> 02:13:46,300
children's foreheads.
Oh, right.

2265
02:13:46,300 --> 02:13:47,800
Right.
But that's after it's already

2266
02:13:47,800 --> 02:13:48,700
there.
Yeah.

2267
02:13:48,800 --> 02:13:52,600
So before I move into a
location, like but when I like

2268
02:13:52,600 --> 02:13:55,100
from that point on when I moved
to a new apartment or a new

2269
02:13:55,100 --> 02:13:58,900
dorm, yeah, I do certain things
before I move in, but the funny

2270
02:13:58,900 --> 02:14:01,600
part is like she did Issue
splashing on the oil and stuff.

2271
02:14:01,600 --> 02:14:05,500
Everywhere is then they claim to
find like this substance, like

2272
02:14:05,500 --> 02:14:09,000
on the blinds and stuff, like,
oily, and slick, and sticky and

2273
02:14:09,000 --> 02:14:12,500
like, It was not just the stuff
you get splashed everywhere.

2274
02:14:12,500 --> 02:14:14,700
But they said that they like
tried to get it tested and they

2275
02:14:14,700 --> 02:14:18,100
couldn't figure out what it was.
I didn't see that part.

2276
02:14:18,200 --> 02:14:21,000
I mean, if it is the same thing,
that means she was going pretty

2277
02:14:21,000 --> 02:14:22,000
ham.
Yeah.

2278
02:14:22,000 --> 02:14:25,600
Just like because it was only
supposed to like coat.

2279
02:14:25,600 --> 02:14:28,200
Every surface.
It was dripping down the blinds.

2280
02:14:28,200 --> 02:14:29,400
I saw that.
Yeah.

2281
02:14:29,400 --> 02:14:31,800
Cuz didn't he also see that same
substance?

2282
02:14:31,800 --> 02:14:33,600
Yeah, it was there during the
recording.

2283
02:14:33,600 --> 02:14:36,600
Yeah, so that wouldn't have been
left over.

2284
02:14:36,600 --> 02:14:40,100
I hope not from years later.
I hope not.

2285
02:14:40,100 --> 02:14:42,600
But yeah, I just remember when
he tried to talk to the one that

2286
02:14:42,600 --> 02:14:45,400
the one woman and then I
remember that, didn't he have

2287
02:14:45,400 --> 02:14:50,300
the one like ladies kids there?
And the one girl tried to yank

2288
02:14:50,300 --> 02:14:52,600
her own life after she was in
the head.

2289
02:14:52,600 --> 02:14:54,100
Yes.
Oh my God.

2290
02:14:54,100 --> 02:14:57,100
So much stuff I haven't because
I forget who it was but she as

2291
02:14:57,200 --> 02:15:00,100
like before they even got to the
house like a niece or nephew who

2292
02:15:00,100 --> 02:15:03,500
got brought back and that girl
that girl tried to hurt herself

2293
02:15:03,500 --> 02:15:06,000
after they left.
Yeah she did like we had before

2294
02:15:06,000 --> 02:15:08,400
he even got into the house like
she felt something like kick her

2295
02:15:08,400 --> 02:15:09,600
or something like that.
At.

2296
02:15:09,900 --> 02:15:16,400
And I mean, the other factor to
here is I hate to say this, but

2297
02:15:16,400 --> 02:15:20,200
like, Entities, or things of
that nature.

2298
02:15:20,200 --> 02:15:28,700
Like these are intelligent
beings according to the rules

2299
02:15:28,700 --> 02:15:35,300
and The Lure true, when you
focus on who you thought was

2300
02:15:35,300 --> 02:15:39,400
weaker, if your goal was to take
them over normally.

2301
02:15:39,400 --> 02:15:42,000
Yes, that's what you're supposed
to do, right?

2302
02:15:42,000 --> 02:15:46,700
So like maybe it wouldn't be the
kind of thing where everybody

2303
02:15:47,000 --> 02:15:50,900
who comes into contact with that
house is bothered by it.

2304
02:15:51,000 --> 02:15:54,500
Hmm, maybe for some right maybe
because of the previous abuse.

2305
02:15:54,700 --> 02:15:57,100
And things like that.
That happened within that

2306
02:15:57,100 --> 02:16:00,500
family, they were already in a
weakened State.

2307
02:16:01,500 --> 02:16:06,100
Might be, you know, and well,
like why would you go for the

2308
02:16:06,100 --> 02:16:09,500
harder person to convert?
Yeah, that's a movie thing.

2309
02:16:09,500 --> 02:16:11,100
Where they're like, a, how I'm a
demon.

2310
02:16:11,100 --> 02:16:12,800
I'm going to try and get the
priest.

2311
02:16:13,300 --> 02:16:15,900
You're not.
You want the one who's?

2312
02:16:15,900 --> 02:16:16,700
Well.
Yeah.

2313
02:16:16,700 --> 02:16:19,300
You want the kid?
Who's got the Ouija board

2314
02:16:19,300 --> 02:16:21,800
playing by themselves in the
middle of the night?

2315
02:16:21,800 --> 02:16:23,400
That's the kids.
You take out?

2316
02:16:23,400 --> 02:16:25,800
Yes.
Get you a Damien.

2317
02:16:28,300 --> 02:16:32,600
But anyway, that was our longer
podcast than usual.

2318
02:16:32,600 --> 02:16:35,799
Yeah, I kind of figured it would
be longer if you listen to thank

2319
02:16:35,799 --> 02:16:36,700
you.
If you listened all the way to

2320
02:16:36,700 --> 02:16:40,299
the end thank you so much.
Yes, I do appreciate it.

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02:16:40,299 --> 02:16:43,600
We love you guys.
And one thing that I forgot to

2322
02:16:43,600 --> 02:16:47,400
also mention, was that as far as
the patreon goes, if you

2323
02:16:47,400 --> 02:16:51,900
subscribe in the first month, I
am going to I might keep this up

2324
02:16:51,900 --> 02:16:57,799
indefinitely for patrons but But
I will put either your name or

2325
02:16:57,799 --> 02:17:02,900
your social media handle and a
video and it will live on my

2326
02:17:02,900 --> 02:17:07,299
tech talk, which currently has
760 thousand people, we are

2327
02:17:07,299 --> 02:17:09,600
chugging along to a million.
We're probably going to get

2328
02:17:09,600 --> 02:17:11,600
there by December goodness
possibility here.

2329
02:17:11,600 --> 02:17:12,900
Yeah.
By the end of the year so you

2330
02:17:12,900 --> 02:17:15,700
will get to see you know you'll
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2331
02:17:15,700 --> 02:17:22,200
who supported us forever.
Yeah, also also and like the

2332
02:17:22,200 --> 02:17:28,600
title card for the YouTube.
If we ever eventually catch up

2333
02:17:28,600 --> 02:17:31,000
with putting our videos,
whenever I see you, you post

2334
02:17:31,000 --> 02:17:32,900
like two at a time, and I'm
like, oh look at that.

2335
02:17:33,000 --> 02:17:35,900
I'm trying, I understand.
Listen, you're doing what I

2336
02:17:35,900 --> 02:17:39,299
don't want to do so I totally
appreciate you whenever I'm

2337
02:17:39,299 --> 02:17:40,600
bored.
I'm like oh you know I could do

2338
02:17:40,600 --> 02:17:42,000
right now.
I'm a little more videos to

2339
02:17:42,000 --> 02:17:44,400
YouTube.
I appreciate your bright eyes.

2340
02:17:44,400 --> 02:17:46,600
Like oh look at that.
There's a Ryan Faye.

2341
02:17:46,600 --> 02:17:49,400
Copeland it just went up.
But yeah, thank you.

2342
02:17:49,407 --> 02:17:52,600
So Much for listening.
You can always find me every day

2343
02:17:52,600 --> 02:17:56,000
or every other day on cop
podcast that Tick-Tock.com.

2344
02:17:56,200 --> 02:17:59,000
Yeah, to time.com.
I guess took it is i.com.

2345
02:17:59,000 --> 02:18:01,100
But mainly it's the website it's
called podcast.

2346
02:18:01,600 --> 02:18:06,100
You can always view our website
which is www.hyken.com and that

2347
02:18:06,100 --> 02:18:09,000
has links to every social media
that we are on.

2348
02:18:09,200 --> 02:18:13,700
I have been trying to post more
on Tick-Tock Facebook.

2349
02:18:13,700 --> 02:18:17,700
I'm trying to spread out, you
know, post popular videos that

2350
02:18:17,700 --> 02:18:19,600
are popular on Tick-Tock on
other platforms.

2351
02:18:20,000 --> 02:18:23,799
I am contemplating potentially
making more exclusive content

2352
02:18:23,799 --> 02:18:29,700
that is only eligible for
patrons only right so that

2353
02:18:29,700 --> 02:18:32,900
they'll be Tick-Tock Style
videos, but they will only be on

2354
02:18:32,900 --> 02:18:38,200
patreon and let's see that way.
Like stuff that Tick-Tock has

2355
02:18:38,200 --> 02:18:42,900
been like taking down.
Hmm, I can post on there and not

2356
02:18:42,900 --> 02:18:44,500
have to worry about it being
censored.

2357
02:18:44,500 --> 02:18:47,000
What I do have like two stories
thing on patreon.

2358
02:18:47,299 --> 02:18:51,200
So yeah.
Brian is going to be trying to

2359
02:18:51,200 --> 02:18:55,000
move, I believe next month
twitch to Friday's several times

2360
02:18:55,000 --> 02:18:56,700
a month.
Fridays and Sundays.

2361
02:18:56,799 --> 02:18:59,600
I'm trying to I'm trying to do
more than a.

2362
02:18:59,600 --> 02:19:02,299
I love it Triumph and more
active.

2363
02:19:02,299 --> 02:19:07,700
Yes we would love your support
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2364
02:19:07,700 --> 02:19:10,100
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2365
02:19:10,500 --> 02:19:13,200
Someone recently got mad that we
didn't like the Yorkshire Ripper

2366
02:19:13,200 --> 02:19:17,000
documentary and I'm not sorry.
Oh well no, no, sorry

2367
02:19:17,000 --> 02:19:19,500
documentaries for every person.
Yeah, I'm sorry.

2368
02:19:19,700 --> 02:19:22,900
It was like personally I can't
watch the Chris W 1 not because

2369
02:19:22,900 --> 02:19:26,400
it's bad quality but because
it's so good it's unsettling and

2370
02:19:26,400 --> 02:19:28,100
upsetting.
Yeah I watched it.

2371
02:19:28,100 --> 02:19:32,500
I was like, oh my God, all the
footage of the family just is so

2372
02:19:32,500 --> 02:19:36,299
like got wrenching.
So you know some stuff doesn't

2373
02:19:36,299 --> 02:19:39,500
sit well with certain people but
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2374
02:19:39,500 --> 02:19:42,799
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2375
02:19:42,799 --> 02:19:43,600
Good night.