Episode 24. Earl Nelson: Boarding Houses Beware

0:20 Everybody in serial killer country. My name is Brittany. Ransom, and my name is Brian Joiner. And this is the WinCo's get caught podcasts devoted to deep dives into the lives and psyche to the killer. We love to learn about about each week bright and I will find a True Crime Story that resonated with us and I discuss the well-known or lesser known killer go deep into their childhood lives, methodology, and how they got caught, and then we'll get a little spooky and Brian will introduce us to something Cryptid or Supernatural. yes, and our first segment is always this week in True Crime and this one is I don't know, I guess, it's not so good, but it ends kind of sort of feel-good, listen.

1:02 All right. I'll just explain in taxes. This came out the end of June, a little girl was in her bedroom. She was about 10 years old and she screamed for her parents. And outside of her window was a man looking through her window and like touching himself inappropriately. Oh, no. So both Mom and Dad, grab their guns. And Ran outside the guy fled to a gas station and they chased him. So then the wife stood there, like Mom holding her gun on him and dad went inside to call 911 and then I guess the man thinking that the woman would be weaker whatever, tried to like wrestle the gun away from her and dad, stepped out and shot him three times. And like, the mom was over, like we didn't want to shoot him, we were waiting for police to come and detain him, because if I'm pretty sure, if he did this to my children, he would do it to somebody else.

1:59 Yeah. His name hasn't been released but like I'm pretty sure he's dead. That's kind of the story. Well, you kind of get what you get, exactly. And like, I'm not sorry. Sir, that you should should be doing. Like, why? Why it's will know how old was this child? She's 10. N-no. It's just, like, makes me want to just think like, no matter what if your kid asked to have their bedroom on the first floor, just know? Yeah, nothing goes well, with having your bedroom on the first floor, no, because black-eyed children, there's Cryptids. There's my picture window. There's pedophiles fucking flow, okay? They will float.

2:42 I'm saying is keep that kid up on a second floor, but let me tell you my kids are on the second floor and right. In the windows, Mike is. Yeah. Oh yeah, definitely. They're always like, hey, what you doing now? They're judging our Mass but regardless like, you know, well, it was a quick solution to a problem, wasn't it? Yeah. Like you kind of get effed up dude. And then you got chase down and you wanted to try to fight you thought you should have just stopped. That's really the dream that I really should have. Oh well oh well, oh my god. Well, Justice served, there you go. And Speaking of Justice. Alrighty, Try. I'm going to speak about some justice now. I'm going to start this off with a quote. So this is a threat to you.

3:36 When I find you, I will show you. Is that what I do to serial killers? And this is a quote, from a man from Alaska who know, this is a guy from Arkansas, okay? So next to Texas, it's a guy superhero. His name is Shadow vision. Okay. This is a picture of him in his costume. His suit. Oh, he really has set himself up he's a vigilante, he is yes. Um so he's a self-professed superhero.

4:18 Who is hunting a serial killer stabber, Ciro stabber in Arkansas? Okay, let's see. so, I guess this Ciro stabber has been attacking people since August 20, 20, and This is when Shadow Vision comes into play. Okay, so he has a, he has a Facebook page and this is where he made his quote, he has a Facebook page. Yeah, probably happy. So I guess on Thursday, he had told follower on his Facebook page that he was in Little Rock.

5:03 Arkansas is where just his dabbing has been taking place and that he was hunting, the serial killer that was there. And there have been For knife attacks and only three words that were fatal. That's still a lot. Yeah. But the surviving victim she was stabbed 15 times. Yeah. So look dude, I know right? Um we do wish you luck in your in your hunt Shadow vision and I do hope that you either help you find the guy. Usually somebody else as opposed to say. Either you help find this man or that, you know, somebody finds somebody stops him or stops them and makes sense to me. Yeah yeah.

5:54 Um I guess he has a tick tock as well haha. That's awesome. What cystic duct? Um it's probably just Shadow version, it probably is but apparently there's a tick tock her. There's somebody wrote on Comedy is like, I can't with this stupid City. I can't even Stating that her first city has a serial killer and now superhero to protect them. So, Look, this sounds like a good. I like this. Like, if we had a superhero in our city, I'm like all about you like, dude, let me buy you drinks.

6:36 Did you find a tick? Tock that look on your face, he's walking around. You just searched Shadow Vision on Tick-Tock, y'all and he, this videos of it PPL behind him. Like he's walking around the city. Yo, let me buy you. I wish I could buy you drink, you have a Kofi. If you have a cool video patreon, what do you had, dude? Give me your cash app. I'll cash up, you some cash so you can buy a drink. Yep. So private and I took a very small moment to look up the shadow Vision post on Connor Tick-Tock. Oh my God boy, are they worth it? Apparently Shadow fission is from Ireland, Scotland, I can't mess that up. He's from Scotland and he came to Arkansas because he felt the people of Arkansas were losing hope.

7:20 Also he has friends one name, tothe Ian, and it Master Legend and they go on patrols together. What? Does Master Legend wearing Master Legend? Legitimately has a Boba Fett mask on along with like a silver outfit. So fucking awesome. It's great. I'm so sorry. Shadow vision. I was incredible. I'm kind of well, I'm glad. He has friends though. So he also, he is fundraising, he's crowdfunding so he can get an official superhero vehicle. Yo, his cash app is money, sign RLS. Ha, ha ha h-hey. Dow. I'll give you my whole paycheck.

8:04 The is IO n. So it's just real life, SSH Shadow vision. I'll give you my whole paycheck it. So you get a car just drive you drive here though. Okay, you drive to where I am a video of the three of them walking together in Arkansas, I was awesome. This is from Toby. It says, at Tony and oh my god, he has his own page 111 followers. Come on, y'all helped. Oh, the and become a real superhero police take time. How are you supposed thousand followers? He go live to listen. You have more Tick-Tock followers. Usher's of the problem.

8:56 Look, it's a lot. It is it's a lot like us. You like how do you do this? I'm like, when we when I first started, The Tick-Tock I was posting three or four times a day for the first four months. Now I am at a place where I can post like once or twice a day or every other day. Yeah. Got like a certain amount of views, but you have to really dedicate like right away, but like all of them have a couple hundred views as well. Say my I believe this one I would have thought I'd got you had more until you removed it. I responded the first time I didn't have I don't think I had more than that. Really no. Oh well well this you just brought some light to my life. You're welcome. This is just hope that woke you up.

9:39 I also got my some coffee and I'll break. So, there you go. So there we go. So this week, I kind of tasked myself with trying to find a serial killer that wasn't as familiar with as some of the other ones, which is hard for people who are crime nerds like us, right? So, I was browsing on Amazon and I said, looking at a book from Michael Newton, and he wrote one of the cyclope Diaz of serial killers that I own, as well as a really frustrating book that I've been reading through called the unsolved civil rights murder cases, which is just all of the horrible murders, that went unsolved, because Racism. But a book popped up in my suggestions that was called the dark Strangler Earl Leonard Nelson.

10:22 And I had never heard the name before, which doesn't really happen that often to me, like usually when people in my live streams are like, hey, have you heard of this person? It's because the crime had literally happened days ago. Yeah. And I haven't had a chance to see it on the news yet but like if it comes with somebody who's like been around for 100 years, absolutely, I know that britni knows about them. But what I discovered is, The reason why we don't know much about this is because right during the 1920s, when Earl Leonard Nelson was busy doing his criming the media was obsessed with gangs and you know, it was Prohibition Elliott. Now else, you know, and leonesse all of that stuff, you know, and they very much took a backseat to unlike the 70s and the 90s, which were all serial killers all the time, great, it was a pop in time. A serial killers.

11:17 In fact, when Nelson was killing, they didn't even have a word for what he was doing. That word wasn't crafted until the 70s by wrestler agent. Ressler. Yeah, so, What I will tell you about this. Well, like it, you know, I've mentioned him in passing but he slipped in and out of boarding homes houses which is really popular in the 20s. People just would like rent a room and somebody's house. And a lot of people were doing it a lot more than now. Honestly, he was able to get in and out of highly populated areas and he he was strong in fact like at one point like they referred to him as like a gorilla, like a gorilla killer. Oh my God.

12:00 It was a weird name. Mmmmm kicker what they thought of it was like almost inhuman the way that he could like I want to destroy a body but the way that he's sometimes, hid them in places where bodies shouldn't fit. Yeah. From pull them up. Yeah, that was something that he could do with ease, but yeah. Now I have my own feelings about why I think this man was able to get in and out of places easily. I think it's because he looks like an unremarkable, white man, but You'll see what I mean, but his name is a dark Strangler. Well, that's okay. I got also explained that to, I didn't realize this until I started reading from a couple different sources.

12:40 But, you know, the phrase tall dark and handsome, it doesn't mean like black people. It means like men who have like like white men who have dark coloration like darker tan skin, dark hair, dark eyes. They're not, but they're still quite so. But when I think of tall dark and handsome, I think of like someone who's brown skin. Yes. And then you know, I didn't I didn't realize that that was the original like explanation of that. So he's kind of the dark Strangler because he just didn't look like a blonde hair blue-eyed. White guy, you know, had as they say in the books, darker features, you know, this one happened if Shadow Vision was around.

13:21 I think if only there had been Shadow Vision across all of America and into Canada. Oh my god. Oh Also because he killed all over the place. He would have been he killed Across America as he was running away. This would have been like The Dark Knight like actually yeah that dark night when no not that one like that actually the dark night when Batman goes across the fucking see the get the remember these movies have I've watched them once, okay? Like 10 years, never mind. I'm sorry. No you're fine. All I remember is Christian Bale talking in his mother's my Batman voice my mother's name is Damaris there as well.

14:05 Yeah. The Batman voice was like it completely honestly. If I'm right, I think the original Dark Knight with Heath Ledger that came out when I was in like high school. So it was a long time ago for me, oh my God, I said that on DVD it's a good movie DVDs for all of you who don't know DVDs. Wow diesel before streaming Oh weird is dating ourselves left and right here. Okay. Back to your dark Strangler. But regardless, we're going to start with everything that we start with the beginning. Earl Nelson was actually born Earl Leonard Farrell on May 12, 1897, in San Francisco, California to Frances Nelson an English woman and James Farrow.

14:49 A Spanish, man. Both of his parents died from syphilis. France has passed away. When I was only nine months old and James past, six months later, he was sent to live with his maternal grandmother Jenny. Jenny Nelson who promptly changed his name from Farrell to Nelson, the sources, don't really say why. But I am just imagining that the reason why she did this is because her daughter died from syphilis that she got from her spouse only makes sense. Apparently, there were tests that you were supposed to do before you got married to some money. Yeah, they were considered like, you took like a spousal STD test like 100 years ago, to make sure that your spouse didn't have like a tertiary.

15:31 Hello. Well, that should be like a common thing now to we do listen, you know, people don't do nothing. I'm just saying that should be a thing. People are like, what's herpes? We good I'm sure. We gonna tell people yeah, until people. Oh my God, it's awful. No, don't date. Just dumping dating sucks. Y'all back on target? Yeah, Earl grew up with his grandmother's, two children, technically, his aunt Lily. Ian and his uncle will has, they were 10 and 18 years older than him. So he 10 and 8 years, older Jenny was a devout Pentecostal woman and religion was a huge part of Earl's life from young to old after doing some after we talked about. Again.

16:19 Like we did two weeks ago, I was definitely looking up the connection with like these religious women and these men's lives because it seems to keep coming up and so Robert wrestler the FBI agent, who coined the term serial killer. He did that with his team of people the FBI by interviewing just a tremendous amount of serial killers and rest was released a bunch of books. But the one that I was looking at, he said that in two-thirds of serial killers, he profiled. They all had a dominant female presence in their life specifically in their formative years and there were there was no father figure in the home. But But by the time, these serial killers men, reach 12 years old.

17:09 And, of course, I'm not saying that single moms are raising serial killers, but it is a very interesting consistent thing, especially once it's then added with the very dogmatic aggressive religion. Yeah, which describes a gheens mother as in the same as JD Nelson because it is like pressured on to them to then at that time, at that point. Yeah. And I'm just, I do hate the concept of religion. I think it can be very helpful to a lot of People. But man, do I know how it has completely destroyed. So many people, I know personally, I have friends whose families were part of Cults, who are a reprobate harmed. Like complete obsession with religion, seems to always be unhealthy.

17:55 Mmm, I guess that's just the way you can't anything. You're addicted to is bad for you, so it's true. But, you know, regardless Jenny was trying to raise these kids and to God-fearing people to she was very Stern, a little bit distant, overworked yourself, you know, now, having three kids to raise and it wasn't like she didn't care about Earl. But from a young age he was definitely kind of troubled. He was really morbid, which is weird for small kids. He was often hyper and very depressed Harold. Schechter wrote about how he ate like, an animal. And he would cover his food and olive oil. And then dip his face into the plate, and slurp it up like a dog, which his aunt and uncle found disgusting.

18:40 And they actually made fun of him for it, which I would only expect, like, regardless even if he's what, like, so he when he came into the household he was what like a year old. So the one boy would have been nine when he came in and the other girl like 11. Okay. And so now this is like this five year old. Who's like, we wrap it up food at the table. Well, and if you do these 5, that means the other boy is Almost like pretty teenagers. Yeah. They're yeah. They're both in their teenage years. Yeah. So injures are harsh. Okay. Yeah, I'll kids are. But Earl never felt like he had siblings even though that's what Jenny wanted for him.

19:21 And I think that's really important, too. Because our lovely Robert wrestler wrote about serial killers, having a struggle to bond, and make attachments early in their life and you have children, and I work with children. So, you know, that kids These are particularly vulnerable in the way that they fall in love with everyone. They meet, yes, you can take your kid on a walk around the block and all of a sudden, like your neighbor, you never met until just now is your best friend. Like that's how they are. You know, I start every year listen and a week later. I love you Miss Brittany and I'm like oh that's very nice.

20:04 Thank you listen these kids and every time I take things like drive through McDonald's they have to say hi. To the cashiers. Every time I need to say hi. I need to say hi. I was like you don't have to choose. I want to. Yeah, I was at a restaurant with my best friend, a couple weeks ago, we went to the guy that really nice crab place over here the mall. And there was a little kid sitting not far from us who said, hi to literally everyone who walked by her. Like, and the thing was, she was sitting there eating her shrimp, her little fried Add a little clams or whatever was in her little basket from her and she would stop. Hi, hi, hi.

20:48 Oh my God. You know, that's just how children are and so That's the norm kids are very trusting and open and sweet. They are the best part of our society until Society, destroys us, and we become grown-ups. But I just I can't imagine meeting this like Sullen six-year-old with these like intense mood swings or he goes from like, okay to like violence who doesn't like? Anybody doesn't know how to make any friends, has no like bonds with any of his family members, like, that's who Talking about when we discuss Earl Nelson, as a child, like he's hitting all the markers that are going to make him a serial killer fairly soon. Other weird things that happen when he was little. He would leave home dressed for school and he will return home and dirty but distinctly different clothing. So, how was that?

21:49 That's the question. How is he finding kids close to that are dirty and worn? Where are you getting these from? Are you trading with is this a trade situation? Like, you know, kids trade food at lunch? Like, what is going on? Did you know? I don't know. I don't get that. Where do you get these articles from Sir? Exactly. He also had a really, like I said, he's a horrible, temper that violence a drop of a dime. He would steal from, like, the local shops. And his grandmother was like often called to deal with him. Being detained for shoplifting. In fact, he got expelled from the, it's a gosse's primary school before like second grade, he was seven years old.

22:32 Oh my God. So that's also really hard to get. I feel like it's hard to get expelled when you're that young. Yeah, it's from the kind of just want to push you. I've hit that he's got trouble forming bonds. He's got this dogmatic, female figure. What's the thing? He doesn't have yet Brian, his head injury, where right? He's about to though because what he's 11, he's showing off to the kids, in the neighborhood on a bike that he got from his uncle and he's racing the the, the trolley. And as he's going ahead of the trolley, the trial, eclipses back wheel because the trolley can't stop. Yeah, he crashes head first into the ground, he spends the next week just in and out of Consciousness.

23:16 It takes two weeks for him to even be like normal again. And of course, like we know, head injuries, exacerbate, mental illness and serial killers. So, this is the thing that was, I believe, kind of like the beginning of this, is about to go really mad Earl's grandmother dies. When he is 14 years old and Aunt, Lillian feels bad for him and she's like, you can come stay with me. No discussion about will will, never, is there for this kid. I realized that as I was going through my notes, we never hear from Uncle. Ever again. No dude. Oh wow. Looks like you're weird and I don't like you, the peace out, but by 14 early dropped out of school Lillian was 24 and she genuinely cared for this kid even with all of his strangeness but his psychotic behavior.

24:09 Just got worse. After the head injury, he would talk to people. Nobody could see. He began obsessing over the Bible and quoting verses he particularly was into Elation Lillian discovered that when he came home and those dirty clothes. Those were from homeless people. From homeless children. No, I don't know about the children time, but at least when he was 14 he was going like he was taking the clothes of homeless people and maybe leaving his clothes behind like there's so many questions here. Like okay so I have a theory. Maybe he was grabbing third dirty clothes from somebody's laundry. That's a good idea.

24:55 Maybe was just stealing stuff he did like to steal. Yeah because yeah exactly. So maybe you just walking by someone's Backyard is either clothes hanging. Oh, gosh, even worse. Like, the clothes aren't are like, he's like just reaching into a window and grabbing a bag of dirty clothes. Exactly. And just walking away with him. I can imagine that that makes sense. Yeah. But we're like, where else would a chunky cool worn. But then again, I mean, this is the time period people did a lot of hard labor. So your clothes being worn is an uncommon especially as people made their own clothes back then. So like listen, if you made your own pants, you're wearing those bad boys. Till they were holding. This is true. Oh goodness. Yes. But at 14 Earl out of school. He's like all right I'm gonna try and work can't keep a job like if he made it to a month that was impressive he wasn't really fond of doing a lot of work. He would something like say he like agreed to like work on like a construction site for the day and make like a day rate. Like even doing something as simple as like just being like a carry and stuff from one side of the other random. Do the day he would just be like I'm done. No.

26:04 Just walk off the job site and never come back. I'll punch him so hard. He also never grew out of his anger from his youth. He was still very angry kid and even though Lillian loved him, she was afraid of him. She gave a lot of like, interviews after he got caught and she talked about how strange he was when he was young. Like, now we get into another aspect. Of serial killers, a lot of them having really bizarre. Sexual urges at a young age? Yeah, I believe you remember that. That one who said that.

26:45 It was his parents job to teach him about sex. Oh, yeah, I'd denied him. Oh my God, the joy of bisexuality and that they were supposed to have manually stimulated him at six years old. Yeah, that's how you do this. I told you that we were. We, I do. Hope I have a whole bucket. Yeah. Okay. No. You told me that? Yes, I did tell you about that because I remember hearing about that. I was like, oh my God. That was Herbert Mullin. I knew it was unfortunately, that's also another thing that wrestler has noticed. It's very common that serial killers have some level of sexual dysfunction even if they are not Sexual killers. They still struggle with the ability to be a regular person. So Earl was a compulsive masturbator, and wrestler says that 80% of the people, he profiled have a sexual dysfunction of some kind.

27:42 No, wait, hold on this. Chronic masturbation caught all the time. Really all the time. I'm sorry, fellows. and it's really not good for you physically or emotionally to rely on the endorphins that you are getting from said orgasm. Hmm, in the same way that also, if you were compulsively having sex with strangers, it's also not good for you, okay? Because what the person is doing is they're getting high off of the relief. What do you have just dailies? Is it like want to tie it once a day or like four hours? Every move is like, daily with your partner. It's different usually.

28:24 That's people, you know, enriching their lives relationship but you could absolutely Lutely be dating. Somebody who has a problem like that. I think about that a lot with Ted Bundy. He was able to carry on with normal relationships, but he was definitely sexually dysfunctional. Okay, yeah. So he was able to fake the funk at least until he couldn't. Yeah. And then you'll, yeah. But he lost control and then he went on a spree, so yeah. But uh, Earl on top of the compulsive masturbation star, he daydreamed all the time. He lived in this, Fantasy world. He was constantly like out of it. He started visiting brothels when he was 15 years old near the Fisherman's Wharf and there he contracted a venereal disease 150 year old it.

29:14 Well he's always reported as being a stocky guy and the a lot of pieces that he was tall too. Now I know based on when I looked up that he's about 58, I just don't know is 58 really tall in 1920 it might have been because we are a taller people now. They're 100 years ago, maybe maybe because you're taller than he is. Yeah, but he every report was like he's a tall stocky guy so he also started going to bars to and they didn't check them there either. Okay, Colonel is on it. Well, as we just now, there are laws before I was like, you got money. All right, we'll take your beer, take your patronage. So he started going on these like a multi-day, Benders any money.

29:59 He didn't give his aunt to pay his Like pay the bills or help with the house. He would just drink and he would come back days later. Just jacked up. Bruises bloody like he got in a bunch of fights and there wasn't a whole lot that Lily could do. Like she had two kids of her own. She was very aware, that her nephew was mentally ill, but she was just like, and listen, sometimes I good times, he used to do all sorts of jokes and tricks and he would like, jump around and he would like walk on his hands and make the kids laugh and He would lift heavy object with his teeth, like he was a sideshow free. Wow. And one thing Lillian, another reason why she didn't kick him out right away to is because he was making money. She didn't know how he was making money. She definitely had an idea that it was illegal. He was making a lot of money and he was definitely able to help the household that way.

30:50 So, she really, especially cuz he was gone for weeks at a time. Like, he'd stop by probably drop off, like 20 bucks and then leave. He's a mule some short, he had if I think so. I think he was doing something with drugs. So she was like, Like listen, you're always welcome here whatevs, but then spring of 1915 roll, Lisa's house to go on one of his random walkabouts. He the older he got the more Restless he was, he would just disappear for weeks and then not they weren't always like the you know, Benders. Sometimes he just wanted to be away and on this day, he was out in the middle of the Wilderness and he broke into what he thought.

31:35 Thought was an abandoned cabin. And he got surprised when the owner came back, he like fled into the woods, but he got chased and caught open-and-shut case. He was convicted of burglary sentenced to two years in San Quentin prison. And this definitely kind of fix the issue about Lily and being worried about what he might do. Because he wasn't there for two years, he spent that time with really no issues. He emerged from jail, right? As America was being drawn in the world. War one, he enlisted in the Army as Earl Farrell, he probably realized the Army not for him. So he went AWOL and headed to Salt Lake City, okay? But you didn't like Utah.

32:20 So he re-enlisted in the military who does this time the Navy he was assigned as a cook in San Francisco and just like every other job. Quit, you know it. He went AWOL again after a month. Oh my God. He flooded from job to job. Job in the Bay Area, for about two months before, enlisting in the military, again, as a medical corpsman. Are you listening bag in? He kept applying the different branches? Come on. So he'd already gone AWOL from the army that he wants the Navy. Then he left the Navy. And he went back to the Army and he's like, ah, sorry y'all, I'm back.

33:01 I'm ready to be a soldier and the military. He was there for like, a couple of weeks and they were like, He needs to be evaluated by a doctor God, so he was like, yeah, no, I'm good. And he left again and this time, he went back to the military, went back to the Navy and the Navy was like, we really need people right now, you know, World War happening. So they let him back into the Navy. Wasn't there are forced to go to their Wares immediately take you. Um, but like he was like I want to be in the Navy but I don't want to work and he's Started like prophesizing about the apocalypse while he was there like on base and so they were like, we're gonna forcibly, take him to the Napa state mental hospital and he is 21 at this point.

33:55 His intake interview is weird. He's like, listen, I used to masturbate every day but I stopped when I was 18. He's like, I am an alcoholic, but I haven't had a drink in the last seven months. Hmm, they do a blood test. They find that he has both gonorrhea and syphilis know what she's gotten before he was even 16 years old. He's obsessed with God and the Bible. And on top of that, he kept trying to escape And he managed to do it twice. during the 13 months, he lived there, and he, but the Escape Escape attempts were so frequent that other patients called him Houdini Well, you didn't get away.

34:37 Always on time, they're like, up Houdini's at it again, my boy Houdini. So the third time he escapes is in 1919 and at that point, I think the hospital staff had had enough to get the hell out of here. They're like, listen we're not going to force him to stay here. We know the military says he has to be here, but we're tired of having to chase him down whenever he if someone leaves an open door, there's Earl riding again. Thank God. So they like pretty much just told him military. Yeah. You should cut your losses with this one and then the military discharge him. And in his records it's wrote and quotations. Improved improved.

35:19 He had not improved by any, he was still very violent destructive and heading right towards homicidal. God shortly after his Escape, he came back to on Lillian and she was like, I got discharged for them. Terry. And she's like, okay. And she's like, well, I can help you get a job. So he became a janitor at st. Mary's Hospital there he met the woman of his dreams. Or the woman of his creepy fantasy because he met Mary Martin, who was 58 years old and looked just like his grandmother. Oh, so it's creepy fetish deed. And Earl was in love.

36:00 Uh-huh. He almost immediately began talking to her about marriage and Mary was like well here I am. I'm 58. There's this attractive. What like late 20s, young man. Who wants to be with me? She's Trying to get her groove back. Apparently. And so she accepts. And we got nothing suspicious about this at all. Listen. If like, somebody on Tick Tock who looks like, they're like 21 hits on me. I'm like no, you are a child, Good-Bye Baby. That's like, you are a baby. No, thank you. I'm talking to him. He's, I'm like, sorry. You look like a child actually.

36:40 Someone recently, it was like, 28 years old, like sent me a message and I was just like, oh no, thank you, I'm sorry. You indeed are an adult's. You are a card-carrying adult but it still feels weird. It's just as a personal thing for me. If at any point I look back at my life and go. Hmm. Like right now because it's summertime a lot of our Summer Camp staff are teenagers. So we like an 18 year old a 20 year old a 22 year old like if at any time I could sit and go oh like we talked about stuff and like the other day a song came on the radio was a Justin Timberlake song.

37:20 Okay. And so one of the little boys was like who made the song and so by the one teachers Coast my age is like I'm not telling you he went to all the other teachers and ask them and they didn't know because they were all children. When these songs came out I got it wasn't no Justin Timberlake. Well okay so they didn't know Justin Timberlake The Way I Are when he was with Timbaland. They know Justin Timberlake. Now as this leg Soulful adult contemporary singer, they don't know him like we knew him when he was you know, dirty path like they don't know that era of Justin Lake. So like if you don't know like if you can't Vibe with me on that music I don't know if I can talk to you, like one of my friends at work, loves One Direction. She might even listen to this love, you Katie, but That's not the same error of music that we were listening to when you were a teenager listening to One Direction I was in college. So yeah, like One Direction.

38:23 Yeah. That's remember helping my uncle. Get a ticket for my 10 year old niece so she could see One Direction my God. And I was in high school. I was in college at this point. So that's just me personally, I don't know what Mary was thinking about here. Maybe she was just flattered by the attention of a younger man when a younger man comes on comes at Me. I'm like, yeah, sorry. Well, no, no, no sorry child. No, thank you. You are children. But Mary accepted his proposal and she was like, oh, that's gonna be great. I got this youthful young, man, I can be with what she didn't realize is that he was a mess and he slipped right back into his bad behavior. He was doing the thing where he would start out one day, wearing clothes and come back wearing different clothes. Only sometimes he would like, it would change entirely like some day.

39:19 He would come back and, like, come back home. Like a sailor or like wearing golf clothes and she's like, how did you what you still doing? He's even here. Yeah, I think you're right. I think you're just even, he started stealing Mary's dresses and like, trying to craft very poorly made outfits out of them. So he would like, steal the dress, but still try and turn it into pants. Hey, I'm like, why are you taking your girl's clothes? Yeah, if you get the curtains, then he started refusing to bathe which worked opposite. Sit of the whole sexual dysfunction issue because you want her to have sex with you Earl but you smell bad so she refused you see the problem here sir. And so then he would like masturbate next to her in bed and she was scandalized because she was a good Christian woman and Catholics never masturbate.

40:13 At least according to what I was taught in Catholic. So you have sex, well, they're married. Okay, but it was, I don't know, you're not supposed to masturbate a quarter. I listen. Remember this from high school and we were confused then and I'm still confused about it. I'll never understand y'all. It was some Bible verse about how your seeds not supposed to hit the ground. It doesn't hit a sock. It's a sock in his to tell, it's whatever, whatever but we were told in high school, you're not supposed to masturbate. Whatever. And I will say this for Earl he was initially kind to marry his love. However, did kind of shift into some pretty unruly possessiveness jealousy. He would get mad if she took a phone call from her brother, he would hit walls or throw things.

41:01 If he thought she had been like too friendly to like the mailman. Oh my God. And she's like, I just, I just accepted the mail and was like, thank you. Yeah, he's like, that's too much. I said, thanks. For giving my mail not going through it. God, you know, and having been like, are very aggressive, like, a abusive relationship like people do react that way. They're like, huh, yeah, that smile was, you know, let him know. He could come back and deliver his mail later. Like it's bizarre tomorrow. Yeah. If he is a package for me, please? Yeah, I bet you want his package, don't you? I want the package. I ordered. That's exactly what that's like the weirdness. That that, that that It's awful.

41:42 But so it's probably no surprise to you that he married a woman who look like his on, I'm his grandmother and that would be the woman that he would. The kind of women that he would kill at least in the beginning before he come lost, complete control of everything. It's very symbolic that that he's at this point. He's only showing like the, like sexual predation. He's not doing anything about these these desires yet, but this, the symbolic Like the victimology here is a lot. And for a small Time, Mary satisfied, his urges, I think that were linked to this symbolism. Those feelings about his, his mother figure. But eventually he started, he looked elsewhere. Earl began to have these migraines, that no one could fix.

42:37 And it happened. He had one while he was at work, and he was on a ladder, and he fell down and hit his head again, where he was knocked unconscious. Double hit injury, double homicide. Ha ha, ha, ha. It happens all the time. Two days later, though. He went back to work, he was like, I'm fine. But it wasn't because he was seeing these persistent visions and hearing voices that were religious. He was more violent and paranoid with Mary. And one day they got into like a regular fight, he got into first started at the hospital, he got into an argument with somebody at work and then he went home and he got into a fight with Mary, about how he wanted to leave Palo Alto where they had their house, but she was like, no, I'm not leaving my job, it's a good job, it's fine.

43:30 So he left without her. And the next day he like came back. He was like, no, no, I still want to be with you come back. And she was like no, no, thank you which honestly probably saved her life. Yeah. That kept Mary from being the first, his first murder victim. She walked out on me to hell. So our own set out to vent his frustrations and anger on women. So he tried to jump right into doing the murder thing. But he failed his first victim was 12 and she was playing inside of her home and he saw her through a window. So he pretended to be like Gasps guy and he said that he had to come fix a gas leak and he walked in and he like tried to strangle the little girl. The brother, of course hurt her and was soon as he saw the other man, he like, let the little girl go and he ran outside where the brother chased him.

44:18 They got into a fistfight, Earl got one, good hidden and knock the guy down and then he took off, police searched the whole area and two hours later they found him on a trolley. Just sitting there pretending like it happened. Well yeah, the mug shot after that attack, he's jacked up. He's got scratches on his face from the little girl. He took a couple face shots his first night in prison. He like the guards are freaked out because he is screaming about there being faces in the walls and he is plucking out. His eyebrows by hand, they Mary gets a phone call from the Leaf and they're like, your husband's in jail but we're sending him to a hospital. So, Mary arrives at the hospital, and he is strapped to a bed in a straitjacket, crying and screaming about the faces. He can see in the wall and Mary's, just like, oh wow, I married someone who's really messed out. Yep, also there at the hospital, she learned about him. Leaving the military three times before getting discharged. He told come back, please.

45:32 He's but she decided she was gonna stick with him and support him because he was going to be involuntarily held at the hospital. A month later. He's taken to trial and there are psychiatrists who are like, well, we met with him, you know, and he's kind of apathetic and eccentric than just, you know, destructive and he has a hairpin trigger. They're also like he's very dangerous and he's very depressed and they like, we can't support releasing him to his wife. Or to himself. He's gonna hurt her or somebody else. So the judge is like, oh, cool, absolutely. I support with this. And so they file a commitment order saying that he's dangerous to the public and they're going to send him to a mental institution. Unfortunately, they just didn't realize that they were sending him to the same mental institution where he'd been and escaped from three times, Napa State Hospital. And now, but they diagnosed him with constitutional psychopathy which with outbreaks of psychosis. So, essentially they're saying that like, he has these psychotic like these psychotic breaks but that ultimately, he does know what's going on and he understands what's happening to him.

46:42 Unlike maybe someone who's a paranoid schizophrenic who is fully enveloped in the fantasy going on in their brain, right? Right. They were aware of the escapes before that was still on his record, so they decided that if he wasn't in his room that was locked, he was going to be restrained. And even then even while he was completely bound feet in hand, he tried to run away twice the first week. Oh, where's Hugo thing is buddy. What you do? Like take like four steps of fall over. Yeah, they put him on anti syphilis drug because I'm not, anybody knows this. But when you have syphilis for a Prolonged period of time it travels to your brain and it begins.

47:26 Wreaking havoc on your brain. It mad cow disease, is your head, you don't eat it. So the anti syphilis drug is supposed to slow that process down. We didn't have Penicillin at the time. So, we didn't know that that could cure you, the drug is called slaver, sem, and it improved him a little bit. The first year, he was really Cooperative with his treatment. He showed he could do basic tasks, talk to people normally. But he wouldn't let go of the religious fixation and therefore, they were like, yeah, we can't release you because you're still talking like a creepy Christian. It was kind of short lived though, at about the 18 month, Mark, where he was at Napa, his medical records show that his behavior has shifted. He was frequently agitated very sad, the words. Quiet and Restless were used a lot in the documents. Earl's started refusing his treatment. Like he stopped taking the syphilis drug and he even told doctors, yeah, I'm gonna leave soon and on November 2nd 1923 that's what he did.

48:31 He showed up at his aunt lilian's house in the middle of the night. This is a direct quote from the local San Francisco newspaper. He had his face right against the glass with a horrible crazy hat on. And I let out a terrible scream because he looked awfully insane. His eyes were just black glaring at me and the children rushed up to me and of course I opened the door because he was my own flesh and can and I loved him. Well Ian gave him some clothes from her husband's closet, but she told him, oh, it's probably not safe for you to be here because the hospital knows. I'm your only next of kin and he was like, yeah, you're right. And he ran off into the darkness. My God, Lillian immediately calls the police and at the hospital and tells them Earl was just here. They gets picked up on the street by police. Two days later they take him back to Napa. He's there for another 16 months. At that point, there aren't that many entries into his medical records.

49:24 Other than a final note that says, discharged and improved. Earl convinces, Mary, he's been cured and she takes them back in with a couple weeks and he starts wandering off again. His first official victim is Claire Newman. She's 62 years old. She operated several boarding houses in San Francisco. She was actually like an awesome business lady. She had properties on the east coast. To, I don't know how you managed to operate multiple properties. With just your phone, she couldn't like take a plane and go visit. Visit, you don't go but she was doing and she had family out there to help her. She was known for being very Stern with her borders. She kept a tidy Place.

50:07 Took no Guff. She's like she the main thing she asked you. When you came was a, are you a sailor? Do you drink? She didn't want any Sailors are drunkards and at home. Well, good thing. He's, he quit being so well shortly after she put a sign up in one of the windows saying that there was a vacancy in the home that she stayed in Rome Nelson showed up. Dressed in a suit, and he asked her about the sign. He gave her a fake name and she let him, it was a quiet, February day, very cold, and Earl, didn't have any idea if she was alone. In fact, Claire, his nephew had just returned after dropping off his wife and daughter to go to the store and to see a movie, his name was Martin Newman and a short while later he came downstairs to check on the furnace.

50:54 And he saw that there was food on the stove in the kitchen. And it was still like Like hot. Like the grease was still in the pan. And he saw Earl Nelson putting his hat on and leaving and Merton was like hey what are you doing here? And URLs like tell the landlady, I'll return an hour. I wish to rent the bedroom and he turned and he left and Merton was like that's weird and he went to the door but Earl was already gone when he looked outside. Hey, mr. An I think so too, myrn worked on the furnace, went back upstairs to do his own chores. And several hours later, he came back down to see that the food on the stove was, Still there. But now it was like cold and like the Greece had turned, you know, that white solidified color and he asked the other residents like hey if you see my aunt and they're like, no, so they all begin searching the whole house, they find Clara's body, there's lots of reports about it, but that she was found in the bathroom, she was on the toilet.

51:54 The one that makes the most sense is that she was found inside the vacant apartment. Her clothing was pulled up to her waist indicating that there was a sexual assault. And she had been strangled but she hadn't been violated while she was alive. It was always afterward. That was only included in the autopsy report and not initially released to the public. Two weeks later a second woman in San Jose. Her name Laura Beal. She's killed in the same manner. She was also older, she was a rooming house manager, her husband returned home and found her missing. He gathered all the people in the house and they all searched everywhere they found her nude, from the waist down in the vacant apartment.

52:37 She'll also been strangled with the silk Belt from her housecoat pulled so tightly. It cut into her skin. You're also violated postmortem, the newspapers were very quickly like well, you know, there's two women who were all killed at rooming houses. This is a pattern coincidence. They're like this is seems like the same guys doing all that. Hmm, police get, loads of tips. No leads found though. All they have is Merle Newman's Martin Newman's description, his tall tan white man, With a suit on and a hat. Another woman had seen a sallow-faced man leaving the beal house, but that was it. And so the Bay Area named him, the dark Strangler, and it was Sensational for a little bit, and I forgot about him. The police were like, well, he hasn't struck again. So I guess he's moved on.

53:40 I guess, he's gone. Because that was February. Hmm, next murder happens. June 26. He meets Lillian St. Mary and you're going to notice this, but so many of these victims are named Mary Jenny. Hmm, I don't know if that's on purpose. Did he walk from boarding room? Boarding, house to boarding house until he found someone who had a name. Similar to his wife or his grandmother. He's weird. Anyway, my name is Lillian say Mary and he found her through the classified ads, she was a widow and she had been taking in boarders to supplement.

54:20 Her income at her house, Earl came to look at the vacancies and as soon as they were in an empty room he attacked her there were other borders in this house though. That they said they'd never heard anything and they only stopped to even look at the apartment because it was still open, hmm. When that guy. Why found mrs. Saint Mary on the bad. Her clothes were torn. Her legs are open. Autopsy showed that while he was choking her. He had sat his entire weight on her chest so insult to injury in Crusher. Yeah. After assaulting her corpse he neatly folded up her coat and hat and sat next to her on the bed. She had actually been getting ready to leave when he saw when he came in and he left so quietly that the man who lived below that apartment heard nothing.

55:08 Not even footsteps, that's crazy. So, police definitely do, it was the same guy, but you can't do a whole lot with a description, in San Francisco of tall white guy. So this time, a trolley conductor had seen a big man acting weird near, the Saint Mary's house. The Press were like he slips in and out of the houses, like a specter, like, a ghost, why Channel? And, like I said, I think it's funny because it's not that he was particularly incredible at murder. He was just easily forgettable and unassuming. He was a Big white guy, he wasn't particularly attractive or hideous. He wasn't overly tall or short.

55:48 He was just regular and because he was regular nobody noticed him very unassuming. The police. However, in San Francisco were like, listen, I'm gonna need y'all to stop just accepting people into your houses. I know y'all are trying to make money but like, can you not do that for two months? Nothing happens. Everybody in California. Kind of breathes, a sigh of relief which is exactly what needed to happen for him to strike again, of course. Next time wave happens in Santa Barbara, which is six miles south of San Francisco. Santa Barbara, like a now, it's still a very beautiful beach town, but in the 1920s, it was a very, very small Resort town, full of Travelers, transient people and boarding houses.

56:34 So it was the perfect place for him to do. What he does. His next victim is Ali Russell, she's 53. She lived with her husband and I was slightly older house. One of the borders woke up in the middle of the night to hear a banging coming from next door. There was a door that separated their room, kind of like, in a hotel. Those like, when a room shares, conjoining you. And so, he decides to look through the keyhole and he sees man thrusting into a woman kind of embarrassed. His name was William Franny. He's like oh I should like not look. Yeah, but like he gets curious and then he looks again. He sees the man's wearing like a dingy gray suit and the more he looks at it, he's like that. Looks like Ali my landlady.

57:19 Huh. So he watches as the man gets dressed puts on his hat and leaves the room, he hears the hallway, door closed, the steps, go downstairs and then as he's watching, he's like is that blood on the bed? So he goes to find mr. Russell and the two men returned, they open the door and they find that Ali is actually beaten pretty badly. So at some point she must have fought back. She'd been hit in the face before she was strangled cord was pulled around her neck to the point that he had cut into her skin and that's why there was blood. This was the first time that the police just said whatever he's a necrophiliac just letting you know. Thanks, thanks for that.

58:00 This is what he's been doing. Next, kill happens in Oakland California. So now we're back up, north Steven, Nesbitt returns home on June, 26, his wife had started dinner, but everything was sitting on the counter. Her purse was even still in her bedroom, so, he waits for a little bit and when she doesn't come home after like an hour or two, he organizes the late, the neighbors to look for her Stephen being aware of the news. Assumes the worst and he was right. And one of the empty units. On the second floor of the home, they found Mary. She was the most abuse victims so far.

58:40 She had been suffocated by a dish towel that she must have had with her. Her head had been slammed into the floor, the tile on the floor with such force that some of her teeth were on the ground. They said that there was blood on every surface. He had strangled her with such force that that same dish challenge. cute must have pulled out of her mouth and wrapped it around her neck and I ripped while he was strangling her, In Portland, he's heading north again, October 19, betta Withers, she's 30-something and divorced. She's a 15 year old son. They find her murdered in the Attic of the boarding home. He had stuffed her body inside of a trunk.

59:23 Two days later. Virginia Grant is found dead and stuffed inside of her furnace in the basement. She had been strangled assaulted after death and he had stolen some stuff from her including money. He's just upgrading after every time a few days. After that, Mabel fluke is found strangled in The Salted, he'd hidden her in the crawl, space in the Attic of her home and this little spree was a definite shift in our own behavior first. The crimes were more violent while the women were Live. They were happening in faster and faster secession. Now he was trying to hide the bodies and anybody who's watched enough Criminal Minds knows that the The Hiding aspect of this is either a forensic countermeasure or it's a sign of shame or you guilty you feel guilty about doing what you're doing.

1:00:10 The the feeling of Shame doesn't match him. He didn't seem to care before I think for me I think it's more of the forensic countermeasure. He was trying to give himself a Chance to get away but none of these hiding spaces were good because they still found the lady within hours of her death. He briefly stops in San Francisco and murders. A 56 year old woman, Anna. Edmonds on November. 20 on November 18th. The police weren't originally sure it was him. And then one of Anna's friends was, like, I saw her talking to this tall, man, who asked her, if he could buy her house November, 19th day later Burlington, California 28 year old pregnant woman is attacked while showing her home to a potential buyer.

1:00:58 She survives the attack and gives the best description to the Police yet, she's like he's 58 well-dressed, well-spoken. He gives off no creepy Vibes. He commented on the molding of the ceiling in her leg setting area, to get her to look up, so he could catch her off guard and Rubberneck. Couple days later. November 23rd, he murders Florence monks, in Seattle still, some of her jewelry, and he tries to pawn it. That doesn't work, so he gives it to the women and the boarding house he's staying in. Gross, disgusting. Ten days later, November 29th? He murders Blanche Myers. In Portland, Portland. Police just said, listen, stop showing your houses to strange, man. And if there are any men around, call the police and we will be there when your tenant comes to look at the property hurt. You know, just get one of your male friends to help you out two days.

1:01:53 After Christmas, Bonnie pace of Kansas City. Missouri is strangled to death in her home. December 28th, dramani, a harpin and her eight month old son. Robert are found in there. Kansas City home, both were strangled, and I'll leave those details for folks who want to Google her husband. Found them. When he came home from work, just awful, that's a terrible. Yeah, terrible. Terrible sight by the end of 1926. He's murdered 14 women and he's seems like he's heading towards Canada. Also on December 23rd, the body of almora Berard was found and at Council Bluffs home in Iowa. So I think that's because it's two days after Christmas was the next one hour ago.

1:02:38 So, yeah, that's his next attack isn't until April 27th where he's in Philadelphia and he murders Mary McConnell. He robbed her and tried to pawn her jewelry. Nobody wanted it. On his way, North from Philadelphia, he murders 53. Year old Jenny Randolph, in Buffalo New York, on May 27th, she's found under a bed in her building. Three days later he had introduced himself as Charles Harrelson to Randolph's brother, and the brother and other borders, confirmed that he was the same guy, June 1st. He's in Detroit, Michigan boarding, house manager, Fannie, Mae, and Border Marine. Atrophy are both killed. Their bodies were found by the building manager ER, who came to collect the rent.

1:03:26 June 3rd. He murdered Mary caecilius seats, mama and Chicago. He also stole men's clothing from her home. Finally, he makes his way to Canada. And Canada is where he will, not he dies in Canada, right? Okay. He made his way to Winnipeg where he stops at a secondhand store and he likes cells off, some of that jewelry and all of his fancy clothes for workman's clothing and just cash in town. He met 14 year old Willa Cohen and they believe that was on June 8th. She was out. Selling paper flowers. Door-to-door to help her family as her. Father was recovering from pneumonia. No, one ever saw.

1:04:07 Earl was Lola, but he must have somehow talked to the coming back to the boarding house. He was staying in because they found her body there. Several days later. Now he was staying at this woman, her name is Katherine Hill. Her boarding house with the money that he had gotten. He'd also stolen money from a second crime. He did in Winnipeg. He had broken into the house of Emily Patterson and he murdered her two days. After he killed Willa Cohen Emily. Had been bludgeoned to death with a claw hammer and stuffed under her bed. And there's this absolutely tragic story where her husband is. Like, I prayed to God that, like, God would show me where Mary was and then like, as he was standing, Up from bed. He like, accidentally moved the blanket. And he saw his wife's favorite sweater and realized that it was her under the bed.

1:04:58 Yeah, it's terrible. Wait, a peg is in total chaos. The police are like this Anna. Lee Patterson crime is very similar to the dark Strangler if it's happening in the States, you don't say, well, so Winnipeg Police Department is, like, screw this. We're stopping at every boarding house in the area and we're talking to everybody. There you go. And they're like, we need to see all the owners. Are there any landlady's missing? So, they stopped by Catherine Hills house and she's like, oh, the only guy who's come by lately? Was this very nice Christian, man and he ran the room, but I haven't seen him for a couple days, but he paid me up until Friday and he said he would be back on Friday to pay me more money.

1:05:42 And she's like, it's not that uncommon, because people are up there for work to be gone for a couple days at a time. After the police left, though, she got a little curious. And she's like, let me go check on his room. She knocks at the door. He doesn't answer and so she lets herself in. She said the room stank as if he had left rotten meat out. And she realized that he hadn't slept in the bed, and she was like, he must have skipped out on paying me, the rent. She's like, I'm gonna call the police and let them know that this guy's not coming back and then I she's getting ready to leave. She sees like a mannequin under the bed and she will, she realized very quickly, that's the body of our mini kilcullen.

1:06:24 Just like, every other person Lola had been strangled and assaulted post-mortem stuff in his bed. Yeah, at this point, I think, You're listening. Earl is off the rails. He's completely unhinged at this point. Yeah, he's on the Run. He's trying to qualities murderous urges. He's grabbing anybody because a fourteen-year-old doesn't fit his pattern of sexual interest at all, but it doesn't matter to him. He just grabbed somebody. He saw on the street, he's got a lot going on for him though because the entire Royal Canadian Mounted Police are looking for him. There is fifteen hundred dollar reward out for his capture and and worse. He's a foreigner. So he's not talking like the locals, he doesn't look like the locals, he's not using the right word sticking out like a sore thumb.

1:07:09 Yep. And so he's like, I'm just going to try and hit you right back to the US border, which only made it easier for the police to track his movements because other people were like, yeah. So we definitely saw this american guy, he dropped I'm off down the road that way he makes it, almost the US border five miles away when a cop catches up with him. See, at this point, his description had been given to been given to all of the Border towns in the entire Province. And when he stopped for food and will Copa, he was recognized and they like very discreetly like called the cops and were like, he's here, he got about a mile and a half away from what Copa when a constable stopped him and this. Took no chances drew his gun on him. Immediately was like I need you to like stop Earl surrenders, and he's taken to the Killarney Manitoba jail. He tells them his name is Virgil Wilson. He's just a day laborer, and he has no idea who this dark stranger is dark.

1:08:07 Strangler person is, oh my God, he cooperates fully and he's like so helpful and nice that the police are like, do we have the right guy? Yes. Well, they put them into a jail cell and unfortunately like like this jail was pretty old. The Constable locks him up even though he's having like in a second thoughts. But they put him in a jail cell the way that they used to do which was no shoes. No socks and no belt. So you couldn't harm yourself and you couldn't get out. He goes to tell craft Winnipeg and tell them, we found the killer. So when he returns to the prison, he stops to get a cigar in a newspaper. He's pulling pretty good. And the jail doors are open.

1:08:50 And Earl is gone. Oh my God, the master of unlocking Houdini strikes. Again, he managed to find a wire. Pick the double lock and Escape without being seen by. Anybody else in the prison. The Constable quickly forms. Another group, they go outside searching. Again, the Constable this points. Like listen, I thought he was a good guy but because he ran, you know, he's not in. Yeah yeah something to hide Earl found an old barn and hid there for the night. Then he found an old sweater and a pair of ice skates and he removed the blade from the ice skates and were those issues and started walking South. Harold, Schechter like wrote in his book that Earl probably thought of himself as Invincible by now.

1:09:35 And I just got to figure like there's he meets a farmer on the road, the farmer recognizes him, but there he is standing with his big self. We're in this old-ass sweater with the holes in it, in some ice skates, without the state part on the bottom. He has to look ridiculous and he's like, I'm doing a good job. No, one can tell, it's me obviously disguise. A perfectly. Yes. What's that a song from? The Backyardigans in a super spy. Oh my God. He thought he was doing. Is it International? Super Spy thought, he really was International. Super Spy, he's very quickly found after the farmer is, like, I left him on that road.

1:10:22 The Next Step was, they brought in nearly 40 Witnesses, from both Canada and the US confirming his identity, Catherine Hill was the nail in the coffin. As she was like, well, that's the guy who I meant the room to That's where we found the body. Even Martin Newman, came to Canada, to point him out. They discovered that his the way that he was getting around people recognizing him, was that before he would go on, Mike, his little murder spree, he would shave his face. Completely clean and clear. Hmm, and cut his hair short, then he would do the murders and then he would let his hair grow out as he was traveling. So, people would be looking for a clean-shaven, man.

1:11:03 And he'd be walking around looking like, you know, a Ruffian. Mmm. He finally admitted that he was Earl Nelson but they were like, what about this knife? Because when he was in Detroit, he had cut the cord that he used to wrap around the righties neck when the cord on the lamp was still in the wall, right? They had burned the knife. So they were like, you have this burn knife and this was used in Detroit, he's like, listen, I'm Jew. Christian to kill anybody, what are you talking about a Christian man? Wasn't me, hope. Here is the one on man, his lawyers just decided we're just going to go with the fact that he's a complete and totally insane and he shouldn't be allowed to testify on his own behalf.

1:11:53 As that's happening, indictments come down in San Francisco, Portland, Detroit Philadelphia and buffalo. However Manitoba's like we got the death penalty. He gets tried here. First, let us take care of killing Emily, Patterson and Lola Cohen. Let's let us do with it. So it was unlikely. He'd ever make it to the u.s. to be to see those trials detective across North America. Show up to compare notes and they managed to link Mind you this would never happen. Now in our current time but they legitimately all these us, detectives went up to Manitoba and they sat down with all of their notes and they linked him to 22 murders across North America. Oh yeah.

1:12:38 This is only going to heaven. That would never happen. Now, people are like so like ego-driven they're like, we don't care. Yeah. Is this is your guy, our guy. Let's compare me in affect us at all. Or did it even though he had? Like a bunch of Stan's where he didn't do any crime for months at a time. His average was about one murder per month, between February 20th, 1926 to June, 9th, or 10th. 1927, the trial was quick. Open insurance. It was a circus, but it wasn't nearly as dramatic as some of the trials have discussed this year. It was a big deal for Manitoba though because they had never had anything. This crazy. They had so many eyewitnesses though confirming.

1:13:19 He was who he was that the Execution didn't have to do too much. The worst that they did. I like the defense attorneys didn't really know how to defend him so they tried to show that he was like super crazy and he'd always been crazy as whole life. They had Lily and show up and she discussed like how terrible they were. They talked about like his mental illness and Mary was like yeah after he hit his head a couple times, he got more abusive, it was very clear to anybody watching that both Mary and Lillian were trying to save him from the death penalty, the prosecution One witness a psychiatrist who called Earl a constitutional psychopath. That's the second time he's gotten a diagnosis. So legally saying and aware of what he's doing, you can leave the rest up to the jury, that's where they left that the jury. Found him guilty within an hour, Judge, Andrew dicer, gave him the death penalty.

1:14:10 And it first, Earl was kind of a motionless, but about two months after his trial, while he was awaiting his execution, he began telling everybody, the media. Like he started writing letters. I'm innocent. He did interviews with reporters but he even requested to the high court of Manitoba that they do in a new trial, but the high court was like, that's okay. No, we already know. It was you buddy. We literally found the body of a teenage girl in your bedroom buddy, underneath your bed day before his execution. He met with the family of Emily Patterson and Lola Cohen and to Lola Cullen's mom's face He was like, I didn't kill your daughter. I don't know what you're talking about. Oh my God, gasps lighten.

1:14:54 The next day is hanging came and went peacefully. He told reporters he was innocent and he made his peace with God. He took a step up to the Gallows, let them put the hood over his head and ironically, the king like the thing that killed the dark Strangler was strangulation, hey, If you're a fan of Hitchcock, Earl Nelson, story did Inspire the film shadow of a doubt which is about The Merry Widow murderer, which also has to do with the fact that these are older. Women are being killed. Right. Nelson is considered to be the first serial murderer in American history. That was widely reported on. And his crimes and trial received National media attention, and international attention, all the way to Australia.

1:15:36 As far as historically, he is considered to be the first serial lust killer, whose crimes were completely sexual in nature. Even though his victims were dead, when he assaulted them, his crimes were definitely based in sex, right? Which makes him a lust killer and that's the first in 20th century America. Hey, and that's our horrible boil Nelson. Very interesting and Just disturbing. Yeah. Oh, good, I got for you today. Yay. Oh goodness.

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1:17:47 I'm going to start this off with a little story. Okay, Nona bear with me because It's I wrote it. So another writer, but, you know, bear with me. It set the mood for you guys. The summer heat is killing you. Humidity sweat bugs. Yuck. Just want to get away. You do. You'll do literally. Anything is escape the Heat. Sitting at your computer underneath your ceiling fan, that seems to just make you hotter for some reason.

1:18:32 When you check your emails and says congratulations, you're our lucky winner. You entered a contest. A few months ago for a free trip to Nepal. It's supposed to be cold. There you immediately pack your bags and get ready for the trip of your lifetime. Over your lifetime of the lifetime of your lifetime of a lifetime. There you go. I didn't know how to write that. That's forward. You're a Nepal, staying a lovely cabin, the weather is perfect, nice and cool, and no bugs. Choo-Choo, you're little you like you're spending a relaxing night by the fireplace when you hear scratching along your cabin, okay?

1:19:19 Probably a tree. Scratching exactly. Then there's A thudding sound on the roof of your cabin. Maybe an owl makes sense. Yeah, suddenly a pile. The snow comes down the chimney and knocks out your fire great. It's dark as fuck in your cabin now Then there's a little Boom. At your door. What the heck? You think the banging continues until your door comes flying in. while you're hiding in a small kitchen area shivering, you peek out from the corner and see terrifying sight, A large hulking beasts standing in the doorway just can't be you say impossible is steps in searching for something.

1:20:14 Sniffing the air suddenly spots. You lets out a terrifying Roar as it charges towards you. All you can think is well, at least I'm not hot anymore. No. So I got a question for you. What happens when a snowman has a tantrum? I don't know. He has a meltdown. That's cute. That's good. When I tell my students like a that they love silly jokes. Oh goodness.

1:20:57 So, what the heck is my talking about today? Something that lives in the code and his abominable and it is is that I mean, it's a name that it's called that the right name, it's a name. Okay. You know we got all these weird names. Oh my goodness. They wished me well and finding someone who is as thick as the Mothman. Oh my God. Good luck.

1:21:40 The movement do be packing. They cake. Good luck. Hope you find someone who's got a booty, like the Mothman. I was like, that's like my new favorite way that we should sign off. Yes, let's do it. So, I'll be talking about the yeti today. Okay? Yetiz the yeti whatever. Don't know much about it to be honest. Well, let me let you know some things about this, this creature. So it's name roughly translates to the thing.

1:22:23 Which is that. Wait, the thing. The thing so creative. Yeah, I know, right? Which is funny because there's a movie. John Carpenter's called the thing. Yeah. And it's winter in like every eighth word or if it's hard to get or something like that. So during a cold spot and they're attacked by an alien shape-shifter or some type of shape shifting alien. Maybe it's Loosely, it's an alien but you know, whatever. Anyway, I mean, lots of people believe it like stuff from ancient cultures is aliens. This is true. I have this like violent angry issue with people thinking that the pyramids were built by aliens.

1:23:06 Yes, we talked about this with my grey aliens. Don't take that away from us. Please don't let us have it. Up. You know what's funny and talk about any other original Asian Societies in Africa? We only talk about Egypt. Let us at least have that. Then I was going to say something about talk about later, which is it nothing. I'll talk about later part of here. Often those out there is this stuff. I just like that little guy who goes, yes, So the yeti or yet a or meant a different names for?

1:23:48 Yeah, it's a large bipedal ape-like creature. That is the head has either brown or gray or more commonly known white fur. Whoo, are they related or their American cousins named Bigfoot? I mean, are we really Lee. They they are, they are closely related. I'd say, they are both ape-like creatures. Okay, that's new. I didn't think they were the same creature. Not, but you're just. Do we ever see white one? Like going to see the white ones in the snow? Yeah, I guess I have many questions. I mean, the whiteness could just be from the snow and not just because their fur is white.

1:24:39 I mean, you're saying, Polar bears. Polar bear's. Fur is actually clear. I'm not talking about polar bears on, don't know yet. He's well if it's brown, it would look Brown on white. Yeah, but gray would pass, sure. Maybe you're just gray. Okay? But you said, there's brown ones too. There are brown ones black like those cute squirrels. No. Anyway, sorry that's okay. So the first known reference to the yeti is a 1832 issue of the Journal of the Asiana casaya T of Bengal where Native hunters in a Northern Nepal Providence, The Province, they spot a hairy until is biped bipedal creature.

1:25:28 Okay, know, the writer of this issue is not that the hunters they saw an orangutan but yeah in Nepal Nepal and the pole. It's an appalling. I think it's cool that this is like in a real magazine. Yeah, like some little goofy like, you know, Zine, I'm afraid by a bunch of side people. It sounds like a real official thing. I'm pretty sure there's another Cryptid citing now. These will be in the news to I suppose, but probably as a joke, someone releasing like the Journal of, like medicine. And there's a lot of those like really journals that like, Collegiate people, write in, and they reference seeing a Cryptid.

1:26:14 That's like a big deal, right? You're right. Very true. So yeah, the writer, he thinks that they may have spotted an orangutan, okay, but why isn't a racket I'm so far from home exactly. Right. Is do not exist in Nepal, they don't they don't exist in Mainland Asia at all. I realize I thought they'd have some. Yeah, we talked about phoolan Devi. I didn't know until I did that. That like they're straight up swamp, Forest areas. In India.

1:26:58 And yeah. So like, hmm. So in 1921, on an expedition of Mount Everest Or Everest. Everest Expedition. Coronal. CK Howard, berry berry and his buddies. They found footprints that were three times the size of human tracks. Now, they had Sherpa, guys with them with force and the guides said that these Footprints, they belong to the met. A Meta.

1:27:41 It means man-like thing. That's not a man. So yeah, description of a lot of things. Could you just imagine what if like, you know, somebody was naming things and they were just like, that's, it's tree. Like like you just look at a bush and you're like that's it's kind of like a tree. It's just shorter. Yeah, it's a tree light. It's a tree, like short thing, I'm sure that free like thing. Oh my God. But this somehow got mistranslated and turned into the Abominable Snowman. Somehow some I don't know somehow they got met a abominable.

1:28:30 It doesn't even there's no no someone just made that up. Preferably somebody probably like from Europe or America because we love to butcher things and what's the true culture? That's very true. Now Colonel Howard, Barry said that he's all otherwise he you know he knows more than the Sherpas know so he he's growing up in this area he knows the Lord and all that stuff. All those stories sure. Considered to be like the end-all-be-all when it comes to. Yes.

1:29:10 Okay. I'm just confusion. Oh, good. I was like, I thought that like people use the shirt like they could help from the Sherpas when they cross the what you call it the man. Yeah. But he he he disagreed. He said it was just a special brand of jerk. Yeah, he said it was a. He thought it was a gray wolf that made these footprints that were three times. The size of men's a wolf. Like could you imagine like meeting the wolf that had a size 30 foot? That's like dire Wolf's territory? Like, that's scary. Exactly. He's like, I'm like, I'm leaving the mountains then, if that's a wolf. Exactly.

1:29:55 Yeah. But I'm not particularly fond of the woods now, and there's just regular old bears and their regular sized something bigger than that is terrifying. This is true. But guess what? There are any known Wolves and the freaking Himalayas, of course, of course, you're not. So you're wrong. So where do you even get that? I don't know. What does he look like? What? I think? He probably. Yeah. So annoying. It's just, it's just like Sometimes you had to take a backseat and let people from an area who know things talk?

1:30:35 Yes, like sometimes you just don't have to talk. So he's over here telling people who live here and like their job is to know the land and and guide tourists in other people and help people y'all know what you're talking about, that's a wolf. That'd be a wolf training bra. There's a wolf rent anyway, in 1920, I have a fetish for those Sherpas. They probably did but I'm offended a British photographer. He spotted this at 13 at 15,000 feet. By a glacier.

1:31:18 He saw a naked figure and an outline exactly well is this is quote it's a he saw a naked figure and outline exactly like a human being walking through the snow. so, There was a humanoid figure walking around a glacier, that was naked. I don't like that. Why don't they have any clothes? Because they're Yeti movement having clothes that makes that weird but statue even worse. Well, that means the front. He's just dangling. Yes. Hang on, this is not a man. Was he does?

1:31:59 He just not gender in a gender? Cryptid. Yeah, hmm. He's called The Mothman. I assume. That's because he looked like a my lady doesn't like he look like. He's looking like a man. Oh my goodness. Let's see. Another account. March 19th. 1954. It was an expedition team out collecting hairs in the Ping, pangboche monastery. Now, they are collecting here. Is that they believe where they had come from the scalp of a Yeti.

1:32:45 Okay. Well, they brought the hairs to be analyzed by a mini Professor. What year was this 1954? The fun thing about this is that they're still doing this now. Hmm. People still find weird hair and they can connect it to any living or known creatures. Sure. And they're like, it's got to be Yeti or a That's watch Sasquatch. Yeah. That happened on the show that I was telling you have to watch. Yes, right Club. They showed like a toenail that was massive that they thought belonged to a Bigfoot. Oh my God, I'm going to watch it. I'm like this.

1:33:26 Oh my God, there's only watch list. well, I thought about them after I saw him wear them, so he's an expert in human in Goodness comparative. Anatomy. So human and compared comparative Anatomy. Yeah. So after many tests they couldn't tell what animals he's here. Came from. So they like cut the hairs. They bleach the hair is they did so many things you like the exactly. Yeah. So they couldn't it's all DNA aspects to.

1:34:08 This is fine if it matches ours or not, or other creatures. Yeah, but they couldn't find out what animal belong to but, He first said that it wasn't from a bear or an anthropods 80k, what it was probably from a hoofed animal. So like a goat. Yeah, but maybe a doesn't match what it looks like. Maybe a Sheepsquatch. Squat. Something like this one. So Yeti was supposed to supposedly had been captured in 2011.

1:35:03 In Russia. Okay, so a hunter he sees his bare type thing, attacking his sheep and in references today, I know he fires his gun off and the creature went away on two legs. Not for right? So yeah. What the heck is this big large thing? So I guess it was captured afterwards. And then, what was it? If they captured it, what was it? And then they capture a female one as well.

1:35:44 Ryan, what was it? If they captured it, they have to know what it is. So, apparently, this turned out to be a hoax. That was, it was either a prank or some type of advertisement, take the thing. Hilarious. Like even if it is a yeti I'm like what is this thing? So there are some possible explanations for what these things that people are seeing.

1:36:27 Are they could be a bear. The Bears are no common around mountain ridges areas, maybe could be a wolf. Yes, far from home. Yes. Or maybe it's just like, I don't know, I'm Missing Link. Oh yeah, I've heard people say that. Yeah, maybe between humanity and like homo sapiens. man, and yeah, actually, I heard something really interesting about that which is that there were multiple Versions of a homo whatever. Yeah.

1:37:12 Homo sapiens were the one that we are and they all lived in different parts of the world, right? And then they have found the skeletons of other like Homo erectus and other things and those things have like wounds like battle wounds so that there were some kind of homo, whatever, there's a war human Wars and Homo sapiens were just the winners. Maybe we were just smart enough to hide if you let those idea. Yeah. So there are different types of Yeti creatures.

1:37:54 Oh yeah, there are. There's a thing called a Zoot a okay, it's translated as big thing. It's another vast nomenclature, I love it, big thing, big thing, human-like thing that thing over there, it's oh, my gosh, it's John. This is true that John, this John, if this literally the same, it's John do. Oh goodness, Jon. Jon is a joint. It's a giant. Oh, it's a drunk. John J A WN. Yes, that is.

1:38:36 What is happening with this nomenclature there? Just like assistant. John. Oh my God. Whatever. The only thing I've ever seen that's explained. John correctly. Is that movie with Michael B? Jordan, no. Yeah. Creed. It's a thing. It's just the word for everything in Philadelphia thing. It's, it's the word for everything. Like, you know, everything is a jolt, anyway. If you sneeze so closer, you get to understanding that the better off life will be for you. So, this drawing is another animal. That's supposed to be a Yeti. I like it's a big hulking animal. That's usually quadruped at it though. Hmm, But it can walk as a biped.

1:39:17 So it's kind of like barish Right. Okay, there's do that. Yeah, so it may be a uncataloged large bear. I don't like the idea of there being Bears, we don't know about. Yeah, they are quite scary. So this animal, this Zoo to or Des just to whatever they raid a small livestock Holdings and leave behind culprits. So yeah. So this may just be a bear a bear that nobody sings.

1:40:01 It's a very large large bear. Um okay there's another type, it's called a tear. I'm going to say Tela Maybe, is it in an LMA? I'm not, don't say that m is silent. So, it seems to be related to arthropods. Like the Proto pygmies. Okay, so that those are spotted, you know, in the tropical, valleys of Asia. Okay, so those things I guess this was the major, the major Yeti that had been seen and discussed by zoologist, Who thought it would be caught. so, I guess they they they have not found it.

1:41:02 This this Tesla or however you pronounce it, okay? But, you know, they found evidence of its presence being around like Footprints the so, you know, there are sightings of it. They found some stool droppings from it as well. So, you know, they thought That, you know, they were only on the trail of, you know, tracking this thing down and catching it. But by 1960s fail basically they they kind of ran out of funding for that for catching it. So the it's still on the loose somewhere. but yeah, um Yeah.

1:41:53 Like I said, a lot of bears are mistaken to be yetis and your Yeti yetiz, yetiz. I don't know. I feel like, you feel like Yeti is like moose. Yeah, never say the ass. Hey, this is mrs. Moose, that's a squirrel and moose moose and squirrel, and some squirrel. Okay. There are some pop culture references to the yeti. Of course question, yes. Has anybody ever seen? Like, has there ever been a first like, you know, like just people like I was laying in bed and an alien took me up into the sky and I've been touched by an alien.

1:42:36 So there's a first-hand account have there been any first-hand accounts of seeing a Yeti? Are you asking if people who have been touched by a yeti? Like I saw a Yeti, it was right there. Not like it was ten hundred feet away or like, I saw it up on a mountain. I'm going to say there are people who Claimed to have seen it like up close. Okay, so here's a story that I found while searching for Getty stuff they put up So it's a new story. It's a headline reads artist claims to had close encounter with Yeti. Okay? So apparently, this is an artist who Um, I guess he was doing something his backyard and he, you know, he sponsors Yeti and the yeti just lets him draw him on a piece of bark. You want to see the picture?

1:43:34 No I'm I'm I just lay out and draw me like one of your French girls that's basically this is is what the yeti wanted him to do. So that's the that's the piece of tree that he drew the yeti on and he the like the yes, let me sketch it and this is like the full picture of what it looked like a really lovely photo. He's an artist. Like I mean he's an artist. So I'm going to say I'm glad an artist got to draw the Eddie. Listen, you see me on Karthik phone? You're not Oh my God.

1:44:16 But yet like, this is like, the only encounter I've seen that like, hey, yeah, this Yeti was up close to me. He was nice and friendly. He, let me draw him. You know, we had a couple bruised afterwards and he went off hilarious. He went off back into the you know the Wilderness there was a video on Friday Club there. This guy he was like just looking out his back window and this very tall creature like runs through the back you guess his house is like back near a forest and he likes Spazzed out. And I'm like, that's the only thing I ever kind of see like, people like those kind of situations. Yeah. It's just kind of doing its thing and people are far away. Basically the guy like went back in his house he was like I'm not walking out there smart man.

1:45:00 Oh my goodness. Yeah that's that's why I got this week 4. Creeps Ryan. It's still good. It was. This is fun. Oh goodness. Nothing spooky that. I was that scary. No, it's just a Yeti look. So nice whatever they want to do. Sometimes Cryptids don't have to be creepy. They can just be interesting, the dog and you made me sad the which one Mothman ate the dog. Don't watch. We don't know what happened to the dog. I'll never forgive you, he just Disappeared after spotting them off man. Nope. Oh my God, you got eight.

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