June 10, 2021
Episode 20: A VERY Short history of the killer of killers: Pedro Rodrigues Filho
This week Brittany is podcasting alone because life kicks us all in the butt sometimes. First on the docket is a woman who got arrested for pretending to be her daughter at school and then a small history of the Serial Killer who killed other serial killers. You can get extra content on TikTok @caughtpodcast and @creepswithbrian to get your killer fix during the week. You can also follow Brian on twitch on Sundays www.twitch.tv/foxytrainer for some spooky gaming. You can always support the podcast by shopping for some cute and creepy jewelry at www.themagicclasp.com (Use Code: CAUGHT for 15% off!). You can even leave a message or support us directly on anchor.fm/whenkillersgetcaught and we might use your message in a later podcast. Email us at caughtpodcast@gmail.com to submit ideas for our next episode or to submit some creepy stories! Special thanks to Myuu for the music you heard on todays episode. You can find him at www.youtube.com/c/myuuji --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/whenkillersgetcaught/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/whenkillersgetcaught/support
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Hey everybody, it's your
country.
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My name is Brittany Ransom, and
this is when Killers get caught,
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a podcast devoted to deep dives,
into the lives, and psyche to
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the Killer's.
We love to learn about and each
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week.
Usually, I have Brian here with
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me and we find a True Crime
Story that resonates with us,
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then we discuss one, well-known
or lesser known killer and go
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deep into their childhood lives,
methodology, and how they got
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caught and well, in most weeks
we would have Brian here to talk
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about the Cryptids with the
supernatural.
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But right now, now he is taking
a bit of an extended Hiatus to
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deal with the loss of a loved
one.
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I asked that nobody on social
media reach out to him.
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During this time, he's asked
that you give him some space.
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As for me, I also needed a
little bit of a break which is
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why we've been gone for the last
two weeks.
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Life is just off sometimes and
I'll just leave it at that.
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But this week and True Crime I
actually have I just saw the
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story on the news today.
It only Couple days ago and a
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woman in Texas was just charged
with sneaking into her school to
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pretend to be her daughter under
the guise of a social
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experiment.
And so it happened in El Paso
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County and she's 30 years old
and she made a YouTube video
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about it and she like, put on a
mask and a hoodie and walked
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around all day and she didn't
get found out by the school
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until about 7th period.
And I got got this from watching
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one of her subsequent videos and
she pretty much just said, I
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think that you should all be
kind of ashamed of yourselves
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because you didn't know I was
here all day I went through
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homeroom and taking attendance
and everything unfortunately the
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school didn't see it that way
and they filed charges.
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There were two criminal warrants
out for her, one for criminal,
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trespassing, and tampering with
government documents.
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Then they also got her on a
warrant for like, a parking
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ticket to they took her into
custody.
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She recorded all of that and
posted it on social media, too.
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She's saying that the school has
an issue with security and with
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all these like school, shootings
and things going on that they
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should do better.
She said that there could have
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metal detectors or some form of
like ID cards or something, and
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she's not entirely wrong.
I just think she might have Have
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gone about it in a way that's
kind of adds some criminality to
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her record.
It's definitely interesting.
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It's an ongoing thing like this
just happened a couple days ago
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that she was arrested in El
Paso, Texas.
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But the video is actually on
YouTube still and it's called
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going to school as my 13 year
old daughter, middle school
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edition.
It happened on June 1st So yeah
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that's kind of the one thing
that's kind of popped up.
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Oh yeah her bond was 47 thousand
nine hundred dollars which I
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find to be like a very random
trivial amount of like where's
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that number come from.
But either way, that was my
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crime story for the week and
we'll see if I continue doing
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these while I'm on my own.
Or if I, you know, someone
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reaches out and wants to maybe
do a hosting situation for the
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next couple weeks or co-host
with me, But jumping back into
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things.
I use my break to look into a
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serial killer, whose fans refer
to him as the Brazilian?
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Dexter killer PD padrino Matador
and for those who don't know,
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Dexter being the fictional
serial, killer who grows up to
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kill other serial killers after
his father, teaches him a more
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ethical way to deal with his
urges.
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And I first read about Pedro,
Rodriguez Philo, when I bought
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the big book of serial killers
by Jack Rosewood, and he's also
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one of the three killers
profiled in the book.
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Psycho.com by Eileen, Ormsby
about serial killers and have
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gone viral in the Modern Age of
digital media.
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And I'm going to get to that
point because he has a YouTube
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channel and that's all I'm gonna
say about it right now.
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But like I do every episode.
Let's start with talking about
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the boy who became padrino
Matador.
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He was born.
June 17 1954 on a farm and sent
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Arena do so pukka which is in
the state of Minas.
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Karai Brazil.
He was actually born with a
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damaged skull due to his father
abused His mother while she was
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pregnant, and dad was just
overall very an abusive person
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and also abused him when he was
a kid as well.
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Very all early on Pedro learned
that most situations could be
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handled quickly with violence.
Something you definitely don't
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want like a preteen to really be
solid on.
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But in the interview he did with
Marcela rezende, he claimed that
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he first felt the compulsion to
kill someone when he was about
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13 years old and he tried to
kill his older cousin by pushing
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him into a sugar cane, press on
the Family Farm, the cousin did
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not die and there hasn't been
any way to really substantiate
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these claims that he makes him.
Some of these interviews I'm
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going to be referencing a lot of
them today.
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Some of them are interviews that
he's posted on his own channel
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on YouTube.
To get as many as I could
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essentially transcripts in
English, but I didn't get to
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watch all of them, but there's
not a lot of ways to
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substantiate some of these
claims of things that happen.
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Because as we know like serial
killers like to make themselves
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seem more important than they
are so who knows, maybe he's
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being really honest.
Maybe he's not however, what we
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do know and can verify is that
in 1968 when he was 14 years old
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that's when he first killed
somebody and the story's a
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little bit wild.
So Pedro's father the father who
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abused him but he still felt
some serious loyalty to God
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accused And of stealing from his
job and dad was a security guard
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at a local high school and food
went missing in the cafeteria
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kitchen area.
His father, lost his job over
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this.
And Pedro was just kind of full
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of this Fury about the situation
and He said it was unfair and
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the person who fired his dad was
the deputy mayor of Santa Rita
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desuka and not only did he kill
the deputy mayor, but he did it
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in front of city hall with a
shot gun that belonged to his
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grandfather.
Then a month later, he Tracked
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Down the actual security guard
who had stolen all the food and
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shot him too.
And so at 14 year old
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fourteen-years-old, this kid is
a total.
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I mean, he's a murderer on the
run.
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And so, he ends up down in an
area called Haggadah Cruces and
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greater São.
Paulo, and he's just down there,
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trying to avoid the police.
He does find a nice place to
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hang out and discovers that the
local drug dealers are kind of
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annoying to him.
So he kills them and he sort of
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found this weird home down and
São Paulo where He was making
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money, robbing drug traffickers
getting information from them.
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And then murdering the drug
dealers.
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They were working for he set up
shop there and he met a woman
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named Maria Olympia and the to
even got engaged.
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They were going to have a baby,
I called her, but Tina, and they
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lived happily for a little while
taking on the job of drug
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dealers that he dispatched and
then killing some of those drug
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dealers.
Vowels.
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I don't think it's that.
I think anyone listening
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probably understands that these
kind of lifestyles are just not
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sustainable.
And as it just goes with this,
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when you are someone who is
making a lot of money doing an
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illicit job, there's other
people who want that and they're
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willing to kill for it too.
So a rival gang leader, attacked
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their home and killed Bettina,
and Pedro's unborn child.
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It wasn't actually on the entire
family but Pedro was able to
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escape unlike last time though
he had no intention of leaving
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so Paolo.
Instead he began recruiting
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soldiers for his own little army
and he set up a new business.
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He was hell-bent on Revenge and
so he began picking up
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lower-tier gang members from
different gangs and torturing
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them for information.
In about their bosses before
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killing them because he was just
trying to figure out which gang
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had been the one to attack his
family.
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Then when he finally did find
that man, he didn't wait at all.
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The Rival leader, who killed
Bettina was at a wedding.
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With some of the other gang
members that were part of his
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gang and Pedro and his group
opened fire on the wedding.
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Not only killing that gang
leader, but seven more of the
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gang members and wounding 16
others as punishment.
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They were all listed as being
part of the gang or gang
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Affiliates, but I kind of wonder
if that's Him discussing like
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him saying like oh you're the
wife of a gang member whatever
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you're Affiliated.
I couldn't find any clear
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Distinction on that event
because most of the reporting
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about Pedro fellow is that from
when he really got busy killing
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people in jail.
So I think that's an interesting
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thought process but it just said
that there were 16 other wounded
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people and that it's assumed
that they were also gang members
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or gang affiliated Now, I just
listed all of these.
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Right, we're talking about
Deputy Mayor security guard six
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or seven gang members.
The man who killed his fiancee,
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seven wedding guests.
So, Pedro doesn't even fit 18
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years old and he is killed 15
people.
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He continues to live in Sao
Paulo unbothered for a little
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bit, maybe like a year, or so.
And then in 1973, he's 19 years
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old and he gets word that his
mother has been murdered and the
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person who did it is his father
and that his father killed, his
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mother with a machete and he was
back in jail, he was in jail
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back in Santa Rita.
So according to that interview
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with Marcelo rezende, Pedro
says, he went to visit his
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father in the city jail and he
had a machete on him.
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And he stabbed his father 22
times ripped out.
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His heart, bit off a piece of
it, and spit it in his face
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because of that situation.
When I spent my time researching
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Pedro, he comes up as a
sometimes, Cannibal and I saw
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some Some people say that he ate
a piece of his heart but in
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several different books that I
was reading through, it seems
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like he didn't actually eat the
heart so he's just a murderer,
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not a cannibal, good thing to
think about.
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The police couldn't catch him.
And this kind of Was the The
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Benchmark of him.
Avenging, the pain of others,
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and he really started fixating
on murdering criminals.
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After this, he started like
whenever you would see, would
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see crimes on the news or in
papers, he would then look that
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person up, and it's really
important to give some context
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here.
Brazil has a issue with
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homicides, just like America
does.
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But the situation is that only
40% Of murders in America.
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Don't go solved actually, I
think it's backwards 60%.
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Don't go solved in America, but
10% go unsolved in Brazil.
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So there are a lot of people who
get charged for crimes or you
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know, they managed to get off or
they never get caught and so
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when Pedro saw these things in
the paper or the news he decided
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he was going to take it into his
own hands and so he would search
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like their names and Find out
their addresses and then he
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would stop by for a visit.
Some of the people he killed
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during this time period before
he would actually get officially
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arrested were the adult man.
Who impregnated his teen cousin?
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He shot that man with a shotgun,
his preferred method of killing
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was bleeds.
But if he was feeling
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particularly spicy, he would use
the method that the criminal had
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used to, then torture and kill
that person.
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Kind of like a bit of horrific
car.
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I just before they died several
different Portuguese newspapers
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confirmed that there were an
additional 11 killings of
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unarmed people before he would
get arrested on May 24th 1973.
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Then from that 73 to 2003, is
when things really kind of
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heated up, he started targeting
other murderers.
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And people within this prison
system, he killed Francisco Dia
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CCP.
Una de who was a serial killer
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and a rapist.
He attacked, July, acacio,
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Dacosta, who was a serial
killer, and robber, and nearly
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bludgeoned, that man to death,
but Dacosta survived police
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reported.
That there was even a time that
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they were transporting, Pedro
with another prisoner.
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And both of the men were like
handcuffed to like the chairs as
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you do and these sort of
vehicles, and when they got to
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the next location, they opened
the back of the van.
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An and the other man was dead
and Pedro simply told them like
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he was a rapist.
So I killed him.
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He attempted to kill has many
Ramos who was a bank robber,
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make bank robber and murderer,
but he got stopped by the
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guards.
He decapitated another and me,
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he killed two of his cellmates
and those didn't really fit his
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pattern of attack because those
were men who severely annoyed
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him.
Another story that I read in a
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paper, he got jumped by five
other inmates and he killed
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three of those men and two of
them ran away in total.
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There are 40 more people.
He killed while he was in
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prison.
He killed more people while he
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was in prison, then before he
got there.
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And so his original sentencing,
when he went into jail in 1973
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was 126 years, but over the next
few decades, Decades, he added
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another 250 years to his
sentence.
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Pedro, still claims to this day
that he's killed over 100
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people.
But the official confirmed kill
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count is 71.
It's interesting because part of
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the gig that I do for this
podcast is a lot of research and
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I have read easily a dozen or
more different people's opinion
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of Pedro, Soho and some people
call him a vigilante But lanica
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Soy criminology expert, who
wrote a book about murderers and
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Brazil, referred to Pedro as an
Avenger who killed those who he
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believed had harmed others.
The problem with that though is
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that many of the prisoners, he
killed in prison hadn't actually
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been sentenced, some of them
were only accused and when
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people did a bit of a
Statistical analysis of murders,
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versus actual, you know,
convicted murderers.
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Only 36 percent of Pedro, fill
hose victims were ever found
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guilty of any crimes, like I
said before, he killed two of
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his cellmates.
One of them was because he said
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he didn't like the guy's face.
So his code of ethics was very
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rigid but also bizarre and a
little flexible depending on how
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Pedro is feeling.
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Dexter, you know, Pedro had this
murderous desire in him and
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maybe he just found a way to
rationally, expel.
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Those feelings by choosing other
people that were kind of like
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him.
So, I did mention to you that
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he's still alive and he was
given nearly 400 years in
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prison, but he's not in prison
anymore. so, In Brazil, there is
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a law that says that no one can
spend more than life in prison
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and just like in America life in
prison is about 30 years.
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And so the law in Brazil says
that You essentially, it doesn't
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matter what the severity of your
crime is 30 years is the, the
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max sentence for anyone crime.
And so maybe this was a mistake
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on the part of the court system
in charging him for all of his
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crimes before.
Well then again, hmm.
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See if this was America, what
they would have done is hold off
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for a couple of crimes and then
when he got out charged him with
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the other murders so that it
didn't fall under a double
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jeopardy Clause but regardless
it become its 2003.
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He's hit the 30 year mark So now
there's this huge dispute over.
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Do we release this man who is
being referred to as the perfect
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psychopath?
The problem is he got diagnosed
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with multiple things while he
was in prison.
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He was diagnosed with
psychopathy but also as a
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sociopath And so there was a law
passed in Brazil.
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In 1934, the anyone who was a
psychopath could be detained
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indefinitely, if you were at a
treatment facility that got
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repealed November 8th 1990, but
a lot of people didn't
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appreciate that.
After a few years of them,
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debating, if Pedro was
rehabilitated, they released him
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in 2007, a he'd spent 42 years
in prison.
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More years of his adult life
were spent in prison, then as a
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free man and he was ready for
the second phase of his life,
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becoming a viral YouTube Star.
But before I get there and how
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that even happened, I have to
explain what life was kind of
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like, for him on release, like I
said, he'd been in prison for
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the majority of his life.
He didn't really understand much
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of the modern world, he didn't.
I mean, he had no understanding
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of what a cell phone was when he
got out to even get home.
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He had to ask strangers for help
to figure out the train system
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subway system.
He was famous and he didn't even
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realize it.
Loads of different media.
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People podcasters, other people
all beating down his door for
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interviews and he could just
walk somewhere and people would
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take his picture.
That's a lot to get used to even
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if you're just a civilian and
especially hard when you've been
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in prison and now you just want
a little bit of Peace.
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One thing that I guess is nice,
though is he did find love while
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he was in prison.
He had been exchanging letters
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with a woman who was also a
prisoner.
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She had been imprisoned for
burglary for 12 years and when
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she was released she'd visit him
once.
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Pedro was released the two of
them moved in together.
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She has no desire to be a part
of his public life so she is
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only listed as a unidentified
woman who he's dating and he's
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expressed in several interviews.
All he wants.
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Now is just to try and live a
good and honest life.
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But a lot of the citizens in
Brazil feel that it's unfair
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that he had such a short
sentence, in their opinion, what
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they say is that Pedro had a
chance to have like an attorney.
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He got to go to trial.
None of Pedro, fill hose
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victims.
Got to go to trial.
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They didn't get their day in
court, because he exercised that
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right.
And in one of the interviews
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that I got transcribed, he told
another podcaster and Brazil
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that he doesn't regret killing
people who harmed other people,
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but he does regret being a
criminal at all.
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So I think that's a very
interesting thing to say like,
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You regret, you don't regret
murdering bad people because
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they were bad in your eyes but
you regret ever getting involved
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in the criminal life at all.
So, that's another interesting
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one.
There were a couple years of
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peace and quiet, and then he got
arrested again in 2011 for
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participating in, not one, but
six, different riots that
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involved him and several other
people.
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A security guard from a prison
who have been involved in.
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Illegal activities in the
prison.
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Some of those illegal activities
involved, harming, prisoners for
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that.
He was given a seven-year
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sentence and he went back into
prison and was released in 2018.
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So like he's sort of stayed out
of trouble.
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But not quite.
I, it's hard because I totally
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identify with wanting to do a
prison riot and hurt the people
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who are hurting people, but
regardless I think Brazil was
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like really dude.
Really.
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So he gets out in 2018, right?
That's also when he starts
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making YouTube videos with a
friend of his who had known for
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a long time named Pablo Sylvia.
Now, at this point, like today,
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2021, Pedro has appeared on many
different Brazilian podcasts.
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He's on video, he's on videos on
Pablo.
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Sylvia's Channel, he has his own
channel, he's done other TV
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interviews, Pablo Oh, Sylvia
produces most of the videos that
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he puts up on YouTube.
And the idea behind these videos
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is that he comments on the
crimes and Brazil.
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And like I said before, there's
a lot for him to comment on
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because only 10% of all murders.
Get solved in Brazil.
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I'm Pedro see still feel like
he's doing some good giving
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Brazilian citizens and enter a
look into the mind of a killer
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as well as seeing Pedro's
opinion on the psychological
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motivations of the people
accused of these crimes.
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As of January has YouTube
channel had over 20,000
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followers and about 2.5 million
likes so he's doing pretty good
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Pablo.
Who chooses the Articles at
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Pedro comments on and apparently
they also go to church together.
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He's also been approached to
make a film about his life, as
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well as a book.
The filmmaker is named Bruno
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Santana.
And I guess the idea behind the
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movie is that they're going to
take Pedro to different
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locations, where some of these
crimes happened and have him
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recount these moments and the ER
says that it's going to be
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exciting and amazing and you
know you're going to learn new
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details, you never heard of
before.
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Pablo Sylvia is also helping him
prepare the biography.
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And it's really interesting
because everyone who's working
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on these projects with Pedro.
Phyllis say that he's this
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really kind man.
He treats, everyone.
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Well, he has friendships with
the different staff and their
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families.
Just a very strong juxtaposition
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from a man who also will admit
in the same interview.
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Yeah, no.
I definitely enjoyed killing and
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killed, 100 people.
One thing that I will say, and I
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guess I'll leave you with the
end of this story.
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Is it what it seems like is that
he wants to just kind of
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disappear?
He said he wants to live in a
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small farm in the middle of the
Woods.
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And he's looking to reach some
kind of inner, peace and
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happiness, but one thing he is
experiencing that is hat and
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made him.
Happy is that through YouTube.
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He's kind of stopped being this
Boogeyman, you know, killer PD.
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But during a matador, when
people see him now, they just
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go.
Hi, mr.
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Pedro, and for a couple of
minutes he gets to feel like a
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regular person and not like the
animal in a cage who was being
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viewed by the masses.
Overall, it's just a very
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peculiar little story.
I don't entirely know how to
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feel about it.
I On one hand, I definitely like
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the idea of a serial killer that
kills other Killers.
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That's why I like the TV show
Dexter at least for the first
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several seasons but Knowing what
we know now that he had this
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very flexible and ever-changing
moral compass, I don't know if I
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feel a sympathetic to him as I
did.
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When I first started looking
into this you know I mean one
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thing by saying that you know
you murdered a man because you
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spied on him having a conjugal
visit that was one of his
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cellmates and then you murdered
another one of his cellmates for
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looking weird.
Weird like those don't really
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fall into the avenging.
Angel stereotype.
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But, uh, that's kind of all I
have for you this first week, I
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will have more next week as I
do, some more research into a
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different serial killer.
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Who listened all the way?
I'm sorry.
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This episode is so short and
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Hey everybody, it's your
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My name is Brittany Ransom, and
this is when Killers get caught,
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We love to learn about and each
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Usually, I have Brian here with
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But right now, now he is taking
a bit of an extended Hiatus to
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deal with the loss of a loved
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I asked that nobody on social
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During this time, he's asked
that you give him some space.
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As for me, I also needed a
little bit of a break which is
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why we've been gone for the last
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Life is just off sometimes and
I'll just leave it at that.
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But this week and True Crime I
actually have I just saw the
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story on the news today.
It only Couple days ago and a
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woman in Texas was just charged
with sneaking into her school to
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pretend to be her daughter under
the guise of a social
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experiment.
And so it happened in El Paso
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County and she's 30 years old
and she made a YouTube video
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about it and she like, put on a
mask and a hoodie and walked
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around all day and she didn't
get found out by the school
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until about 7th period.
And I got got this from watching
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one of her subsequent videos and
she pretty much just said, I
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think that you should all be
kind of ashamed of yourselves
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because you didn't know I was
here all day I went through
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homeroom and taking attendance
and everything unfortunately the
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school didn't see it that way
and they filed charges.
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There were two criminal warrants
out for her, one for criminal,
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trespassing, and tampering with
government documents.
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Then they also got her on a
warrant for like, a parking
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ticket to they took her into
custody.
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She recorded all of that and
posted it on social media, too.
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She's saying that the school has
an issue with security and with
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all these like school, shootings
and things going on that they
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should do better.
She said that there could have
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metal detectors or some form of
like ID cards or something, and
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she's not entirely wrong.
I just think she might have Have
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gone about it in a way that's
kind of adds some criminality to
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her record.
It's definitely interesting.
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It's an ongoing thing like this
just happened a couple days ago
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that she was arrested in El
Paso, Texas.
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But the video is actually on
YouTube still and it's called
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going to school as my 13 year
old daughter, middle school
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edition.
It happened on June 1st So yeah
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that's kind of the one thing
that's kind of popped up.
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Oh yeah her bond was 47 thousand
nine hundred dollars which I
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find to be like a very random
trivial amount of like where's
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that number come from.
But either way, that was my
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crime story for the week and
we'll see if I continue doing
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these while I'm on my own.
Or if I, you know, someone
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reaches out and wants to maybe
do a hosting situation for the
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next couple weeks or co-host
with me, But jumping back into
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things.
I use my break to look into a
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serial killer, whose fans refer
to him as the Brazilian?
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Dexter killer PD padrino Matador
and for those who don't know,
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Dexter being the fictional
serial, killer who grows up to
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kill other serial killers after
his father, teaches him a more
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ethical way to deal with his
urges.
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And I first read about Pedro,
Rodriguez Philo, when I bought
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the big book of serial killers
by Jack Rosewood, and he's also
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one of the three killers
profiled in the book.
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Psycho.com by Eileen, Ormsby
about serial killers and have
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gone viral in the Modern Age of
digital media.
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And I'm going to get to that
point because he has a YouTube
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channel and that's all I'm gonna
say about it right now.
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But like I do every episode.
Let's start with talking about
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the boy who became padrino
Matador.
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He was born.
June 17 1954 on a farm and sent
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Arena do so pukka which is in
the state of Minas.
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Karai Brazil.
He was actually born with a
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damaged skull due to his father
abused His mother while she was
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pregnant, and dad was just
overall very an abusive person
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and also abused him when he was
a kid as well.
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Very all early on Pedro learned
that most situations could be
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handled quickly with violence.
Something you definitely don't
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want like a preteen to really be
solid on.
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But in the interview he did with
Marcela rezende, he claimed that
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he first felt the compulsion to
kill someone when he was about
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13 years old and he tried to
kill his older cousin by pushing
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him into a sugar cane, press on
the Family Farm, the cousin did
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not die and there hasn't been
any way to really substantiate
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these claims that he makes him.
Some of these interviews I'm
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going to be referencing a lot of
them today.
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Some of them are interviews that
he's posted on his own channel
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on YouTube.
To get as many as I could
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essentially transcripts in
English, but I didn't get to
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watch all of them, but there's
not a lot of ways to
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substantiate some of these
claims of things that happen.
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Because as we know like serial
killers like to make themselves
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seem more important than they
are so who knows, maybe he's
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being really honest.
Maybe he's not however, what we
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do know and can verify is that
in 1968 when he was 14 years old
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that's when he first killed
somebody and the story's a
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little bit wild.
So Pedro's father the father who
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abused him but he still felt
some serious loyalty to God
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accused And of stealing from his
job and dad was a security guard
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at a local high school and food
went missing in the cafeteria
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kitchen area.
His father, lost his job over
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this.
And Pedro was just kind of full
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of this Fury about the situation
and He said it was unfair and
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the person who fired his dad was
the deputy mayor of Santa Rita
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desuka and not only did he kill
the deputy mayor, but he did it
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in front of city hall with a
shot gun that belonged to his
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grandfather.
Then a month later, he Tracked
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Down the actual security guard
who had stolen all the food and
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shot him too.
And so at 14 year old
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fourteen-years-old, this kid is
a total.
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I mean, he's a murderer on the
run.
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And so, he ends up down in an
area called Haggadah Cruces and
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greater São.
Paulo, and he's just down there,
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trying to avoid the police.
He does find a nice place to
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hang out and discovers that the
local drug dealers are kind of
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annoying to him.
So he kills them and he sort of
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found this weird home down and
São Paulo where He was making
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money, robbing drug traffickers
getting information from them.
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And then murdering the drug
dealers.
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They were working for he set up
shop there and he met a woman
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named Maria Olympia and the to
even got engaged.
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They were going to have a baby,
I called her, but Tina, and they
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lived happily for a little while
taking on the job of drug
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dealers that he dispatched and
then killing some of those drug
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dealers.
Vowels.
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I don't think it's that.
I think anyone listening
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probably understands that these
kind of lifestyles are just not
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sustainable.
And as it just goes with this,
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when you are someone who is
making a lot of money doing an
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illicit job, there's other
people who want that and they're
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willing to kill for it too.
So a rival gang leader, attacked
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their home and killed Bettina,
and Pedro's unborn child.
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It wasn't actually on the entire
family but Pedro was able to
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escape unlike last time though
he had no intention of leaving
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so Paolo.
Instead he began recruiting
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soldiers for his own little army
and he set up a new business.
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He was hell-bent on Revenge and
so he began picking up
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lower-tier gang members from
different gangs and torturing
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them for information.
In about their bosses before
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killing them because he was just
trying to figure out which gang
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had been the one to attack his
family.
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Then when he finally did find
that man, he didn't wait at all.
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The Rival leader, who killed
Bettina was at a wedding.
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With some of the other gang
members that were part of his
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gang and Pedro and his group
opened fire on the wedding.
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Not only killing that gang
leader, but seven more of the
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gang members and wounding 16
others as punishment.
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They were all listed as being
part of the gang or gang
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Affiliates, but I kind of wonder
if that's Him discussing like
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him saying like oh you're the
wife of a gang member whatever
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you're Affiliated.
I couldn't find any clear
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Distinction on that event
because most of the reporting
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about Pedro fellow is that from
when he really got busy killing
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people in jail.
So I think that's an interesting
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thought process but it just said
that there were 16 other wounded
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people and that it's assumed
that they were also gang members
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or gang affiliated Now, I just
listed all of these.
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Right, we're talking about
Deputy Mayor security guard six
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or seven gang members.
The man who killed his fiancee,
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seven wedding guests.
So, Pedro doesn't even fit 18
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years old and he is killed 15
people.
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He continues to live in Sao
Paulo unbothered for a little
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bit, maybe like a year, or so.
And then in 1973, he's 19 years
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old and he gets word that his
mother has been murdered and the
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person who did it is his father
and that his father killed, his
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mother with a machete and he was
back in jail, he was in jail
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back in Santa Rita.
So according to that interview
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with Marcelo rezende, Pedro
says, he went to visit his
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father in the city jail and he
had a machete on him.
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And he stabbed his father 22
times ripped out.
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His heart, bit off a piece of
it, and spit it in his face
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because of that situation.
When I spent my time researching
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Pedro, he comes up as a
sometimes, Cannibal and I saw
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some Some people say that he ate
a piece of his heart but in
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several different books that I
was reading through, it seems
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like he didn't actually eat the
heart so he's just a murderer,
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not a cannibal, good thing to
think about.
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The police couldn't catch him.
And this kind of Was the The
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Benchmark of him.
Avenging, the pain of others,
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and he really started fixating
on murdering criminals.
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After this, he started like
whenever you would see, would
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see crimes on the news or in
papers, he would then look that
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person up, and it's really
important to give some context
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here.
Brazil has a issue with
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homicides, just like America
does.
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But the situation is that only
40% Of murders in America.
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Don't go solved actually, I
think it's backwards 60%.
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Don't go solved in America, but
10% go unsolved in Brazil.
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So there are a lot of people who
get charged for crimes or you
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know, they managed to get off or
they never get caught and so
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when Pedro saw these things in
the paper or the news he decided
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he was going to take it into his
own hands and so he would search
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like their names and Find out
their addresses and then he
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would stop by for a visit.
Some of the people he killed
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during this time period before
he would actually get officially
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arrested were the adult man.
Who impregnated his teen cousin?
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He shot that man with a shotgun,
his preferred method of killing
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was bleeds.
But if he was feeling
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particularly spicy, he would use
the method that the criminal had
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used to, then torture and kill
that person.
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Kind of like a bit of horrific
car.
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I just before they died several
different Portuguese newspapers
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confirmed that there were an
additional 11 killings of
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unarmed people before he would
get arrested on May 24th 1973.
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Then from that 73 to 2003, is
when things really kind of
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heated up, he started targeting
other murderers.
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And people within this prison
system, he killed Francisco Dia
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CCP.
Una de who was a serial killer
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and a rapist.
He attacked, July, acacio,
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Dacosta, who was a serial
killer, and robber, and nearly
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bludgeoned, that man to death,
but Dacosta survived police
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reported.
That there was even a time that
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they were transporting, Pedro
with another prisoner.
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And both of the men were like
handcuffed to like the chairs as
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you do and these sort of
vehicles, and when they got to
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the next location, they opened
the back of the van.
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An and the other man was dead
and Pedro simply told them like
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he was a rapist.
So I killed him.
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He attempted to kill has many
Ramos who was a bank robber,
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make bank robber and murderer,
but he got stopped by the
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guards.
He decapitated another and me,
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he killed two of his cellmates
and those didn't really fit his
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pattern of attack because those
were men who severely annoyed
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him.
Another story that I read in a
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paper, he got jumped by five
other inmates and he killed
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three of those men and two of
them ran away in total.
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There are 40 more people.
He killed while he was in
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prison.
He killed more people while he
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was in prison, then before he
got there.
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And so his original sentencing,
when he went into jail in 1973
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was 126 years, but over the next
few decades, Decades, he added
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another 250 years to his
sentence.
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Pedro, still claims to this day
that he's killed over 100
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people.
But the official confirmed kill
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count is 71.
It's interesting because part of
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the gig that I do for this
podcast is a lot of research and
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I have read easily a dozen or
more different people's opinion
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of Pedro, Soho and some people
call him a vigilante But lanica
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Soy criminology expert, who
wrote a book about murderers and
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Brazil, referred to Pedro as an
Avenger who killed those who he
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believed had harmed others.
The problem with that though is
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that many of the prisoners, he
killed in prison hadn't actually
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been sentenced, some of them
were only accused and when
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people did a bit of a
Statistical analysis of murders,
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versus actual, you know,
convicted murderers.
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Only 36 percent of Pedro, fill
hose victims were ever found
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guilty of any crimes, like I
said before, he killed two of
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his cellmates.
One of them was because he said
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he didn't like the guy's face.
So his code of ethics was very
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rigid but also bizarre and a
little flexible depending on how
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Pedro is feeling.
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Thank that he does fit the, the
modern thought process of
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Dexter, you know, Pedro had this
murderous desire in him and
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maybe he just found a way to
rationally, expel.
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Those feelings by choosing other
people that were kind of like
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him.
So, I did mention to you that
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he's still alive and he was
given nearly 400 years in
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prison, but he's not in prison
anymore. so, In Brazil, there is
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a law that says that no one can
spend more than life in prison
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and just like in America life in
prison is about 30 years.
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And so the law in Brazil says
that You essentially, it doesn't
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matter what the severity of your
crime is 30 years is the, the
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max sentence for anyone crime.
And so maybe this was a mistake
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on the part of the court system
in charging him for all of his
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crimes before.
Well then again, hmm.
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See if this was America, what
they would have done is hold off
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for a couple of crimes and then
when he got out charged him with
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the other murders so that it
didn't fall under a double
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jeopardy Clause but regardless
it become its 2003.
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He's hit the 30 year mark So now
there's this huge dispute over.
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Do we release this man who is
being referred to as the perfect
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psychopath?
The problem is he got diagnosed
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with multiple things while he
was in prison.
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He was diagnosed with
psychopathy but also as a
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sociopath And so there was a law
passed in Brazil.
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In 1934, the anyone who was a
psychopath could be detained
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indefinitely, if you were at a
treatment facility that got
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repealed November 8th 1990, but
a lot of people didn't
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appreciate that.
After a few years of them,
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debating, if Pedro was
rehabilitated, they released him
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in 2007, a he'd spent 42 years
in prison.
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More years of his adult life
were spent in prison, then as a
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free man and he was ready for
the second phase of his life,
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becoming a viral YouTube Star.
But before I get there and how
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that even happened, I have to
explain what life was kind of
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like, for him on release, like I
said, he'd been in prison for
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the majority of his life.
He didn't really understand much
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of the modern world, he didn't.
I mean, he had no understanding
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of what a cell phone was when he
got out to even get home.
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He had to ask strangers for help
to figure out the train system
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subway system.
He was famous and he didn't even
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realize it.
Loads of different media.
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People podcasters, other people
all beating down his door for
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interviews and he could just
walk somewhere and people would
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take his picture.
That's a lot to get used to even
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if you're just a civilian and
especially hard when you've been
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in prison and now you just want
a little bit of Peace.
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One thing that I guess is nice,
though is he did find love while
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he was in prison.
He had been exchanging letters
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with a woman who was also a
prisoner.
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She had been imprisoned for
burglary for 12 years and when
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she was released she'd visit him
once.
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Pedro was released the two of
them moved in together.
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She has no desire to be a part
of his public life so she is
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only listed as a unidentified
woman who he's dating and he's
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expressed in several interviews.
All he wants.
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Now is just to try and live a
good and honest life.
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But a lot of the citizens in
Brazil feel that it's unfair
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that he had such a short
sentence, in their opinion, what
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they say is that Pedro had a
chance to have like an attorney.
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He got to go to trial.
None of Pedro, fill hose
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victims.
Got to go to trial.
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They didn't get their day in
court, because he exercised that
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right.
And in one of the interviews
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that I got transcribed, he told
another podcaster and Brazil
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that he doesn't regret killing
people who harmed other people,
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but he does regret being a
criminal at all.
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So I think that's a very
interesting thing to say like,
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You regret, you don't regret
murdering bad people because
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they were bad in your eyes but
you regret ever getting involved
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in the criminal life at all.
So, that's another interesting
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one.
There were a couple years of
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peace and quiet, and then he got
arrested again in 2011 for
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participating in, not one, but
six, different riots that
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involved him and several other
people.
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A security guard from a prison
who have been involved in.
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Illegal activities in the
prison.
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Some of those illegal activities
involved, harming, prisoners for
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that.
He was given a seven-year
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sentence and he went back into
prison and was released in 2018.
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So like he's sort of stayed out
of trouble.
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But not quite.
I, it's hard because I totally
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identify with wanting to do a
prison riot and hurt the people
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who are hurting people, but
regardless I think Brazil was
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like really dude.
Really.
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So he gets out in 2018, right?
That's also when he starts
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making YouTube videos with a
friend of his who had known for
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a long time named Pablo Sylvia.
Now, at this point, like today,
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2021, Pedro has appeared on many
different Brazilian podcasts.
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He's on video, he's on videos on
Pablo.
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Sylvia's Channel, he has his own
channel, he's done other TV
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interviews, Pablo Oh, Sylvia
produces most of the videos that
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he puts up on YouTube.
And the idea behind these videos
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is that he comments on the
crimes and Brazil.
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And like I said before, there's
a lot for him to comment on
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because only 10% of all murders.
Get solved in Brazil.
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I'm Pedro see still feel like
he's doing some good giving
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Brazilian citizens and enter a
look into the mind of a killer
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as well as seeing Pedro's
opinion on the psychological
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motivations of the people
accused of these crimes.
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As of January has YouTube
channel had over 20,000
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followers and about 2.5 million
likes so he's doing pretty good
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Pablo.
Who chooses the Articles at
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Pedro comments on and apparently
they also go to church together.
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He's also been approached to
make a film about his life, as
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well as a book.
The filmmaker is named Bruno
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Santana.
And I guess the idea behind the
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movie is that they're going to
take Pedro to different
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locations, where some of these
crimes happened and have him
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recount these moments and the ER
says that it's going to be
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exciting and amazing and you
know you're going to learn new
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details, you never heard of
before.
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Pablo Sylvia is also helping him
prepare the biography.
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And it's really interesting
because everyone who's working
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on these projects with Pedro.
Phyllis say that he's this
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really kind man.
He treats, everyone.
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Well, he has friendships with
the different staff and their
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families.
Just a very strong juxtaposition
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from a man who also will admit
in the same interview.
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Yeah, no.
I definitely enjoyed killing and
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killed, 100 people.
One thing that I will say, and I
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guess I'll leave you with the
end of this story.
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Is it what it seems like is that
he wants to just kind of
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disappear?
He said he wants to live in a
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small farm in the middle of the
Woods.
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And he's looking to reach some
kind of inner, peace and
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happiness, but one thing he is
experiencing that is hat and
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made him.
Happy is that through YouTube.
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He's kind of stopped being this
Boogeyman, you know, killer PD.
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But during a matador, when
people see him now, they just
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go.
Hi, mr.
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Pedro, and for a couple of
minutes he gets to feel like a
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regular person and not like the
animal in a cage who was being
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viewed by the masses.
Overall, it's just a very
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peculiar little story.
I don't entirely know how to
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feel about it.
I On one hand, I definitely like
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the idea of a serial killer that
kills other Killers.
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That's why I like the TV show
Dexter at least for the first
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several seasons but Knowing what
we know now that he had this
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very flexible and ever-changing
moral compass, I don't know if I
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feel a sympathetic to him as I
did.
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When I first started looking
into this you know I mean one
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thing by saying that you know
you murdered a man because you
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spied on him having a conjugal
visit that was one of his
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cellmates and then you murdered
another one of his cellmates for
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looking weird.
Weird like those don't really
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fall into the avenging.
Angel stereotype.
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But, uh, that's kind of all I
have for you this first week, I
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will have more next week as I
do, some more research into a
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different serial killer.
And like I said, I'm putting out
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the call for Anybody who'd like
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Who listened all the way?
I'm sorry.
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This episode is so short and
I'll be ready for you next week.
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Good night.
