Episode 13: Herbert Mullen: How many People Did You Need To Sacrifice?

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Everybody into your killer
country.

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My name is Brittany.
Ransom and my name is Brian Joo,

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winner.
And this is when Killers get

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caught a podcast about do deep.
Dives into the lives and psyches

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of the Killer's.
We love to learn about each

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week.
We'll discuss something new and

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interesting in the serial killer
world.

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We will discuss one well-known
or lesser known killer and go

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deep into their childhood lives
methodology, and most

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importantly how they got caught.
And then because most of your

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killer fans, love a little
spooked, Brian will lead us down

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the road of the Paranormal and
to something he found to be

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particularly creepy.
So one thing that we've been

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trying because updates in the
serial killer world are kind of

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few and far between and we
started this on last week's

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podcast and I kind of want to
continue with it.

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Is that Brian?
And I are going to Find a story

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that interested us this week and
tell each other about them last

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week.
I think we were just trying to

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make the other laughs.
Maybe I don't know probably but

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this week's story for me is
local to where you and I live

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and so that's why this one kind
of struck me.

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So in 1977 a woman was found in
Delaware.

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She was spotted by a boy, riding
his bicycle in June near New

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Castle Delaware for years.
All police had was a cause of

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death homicide, a description of
her.

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She was about 53 dark blond, and
somewhere between 40 and 55

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years old, and they really had
nothing else until now.

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So after four decades, they have
identified, the remains of this

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woman.
Her name is Mary patri hyzer.

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She was 50 years old and she was
the wife to a retired police

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officer in Philadelphia, okay?
Right.

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He was part of the Philadelphia,
Police Department, Highway

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Patrol during the 50s and 60s
and I guess they were kind of

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like the what's that basketball?
Team that does the cool tricks.

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The Harlem Globetrotters yeah,
they were like the Globetrotters

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but cops and they would do all
sorts of like shows and local

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like are like Theatres and
stadiums and stuff.

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And yeah.
Well so Heiser got hurt her

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husband, William Heiser, senior
got hurt.

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And so he had to retire from
being a police officer and he

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became.
What do you think his job was

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when he retired from police
officers.

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A teacher.
It's one of the number 10 killer

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jobs the truck driver.
Yep.

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He became a truck driver.
So so yeah, they and so after

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his wife was murdered, he
relocated to South Daytona Beach

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and he actually died in 2006
from cancer.

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They don't know entire like they
know it was homicide, you know,

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DNA record.
They've been able to do to her

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but here's the worst part about
this.

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After dad killed her.
He told the kids that she had,

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like, run off with some guy.
So these children grew up their

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whole life thinking that their
mom was just this awful woman

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who abandoned them when really
dad killed her and left her in a

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ditch in Delaware.
This terrible.

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Yeah, she also worked part-time
at the Ashbourne Country Club in

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Cheltenham Pennsylvania, which
is also near where I lived.

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So I was like, gosh, this is
like some local horrible stuff

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that happens.
Terrible.

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It was I just feel so bad.
I'm at least they have some kind

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of closure but poor Ted.
Yeah, yeah, they're probably

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like 40 something. 50 years old
now and now they find out that

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their mom wasn't a horrible
person.

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You know, your dad was a
horrible guy.

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And also, if you look like right
next to you on the thing, so

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yeah, the book Is Here.
Yeah.

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So I'm full on TV.
So you are.

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Welcome to read that.
Okay?

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Yeah, tell me about your story.
So that's something that was

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found out over the last couple
of weeks.

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Okay, let me pull it up, pull
up.

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All right, mine is not local.
Okay, at all, my next week comes

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from UK.
So, I guess they're still in

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covid, lock down over there.
So a group of ghosts, and Ghost

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Hunters.
Broke their lockdown, okay?

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They're covid rules and they
went to go see a haunted house,

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of course they did.
Yeah.

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Um, I just watched a movie and
shattered today about a group of

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people who could try to do a
seance over a zoo call, and I'm

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like, yes, it's on there.
It was a weird and they somehow

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accidentally, you know, brought
about it.

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Men that we happen.
Always happens when people do

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seances.
Oh okay.

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But yeah like what they just
think about that right now like

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this is what kind of world we're
in 2021.

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People are breaking quarantine
to go.

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Ghost hunting people are doing
seances of resume.

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This is weird.
It says about says 12 men and

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women.
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We're so it was like three
different groups of those

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Hunters.
Oh geez.

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And It's like the whole TAPS in
this one house, okay?

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I mean yeah it's like so oh but
wait that's more than 8 people.

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Yeah.
So, yeah, you're 12 people in

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the South, I don't know.
Well, the rule in the states is

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like no more than eight people
at any Gathering.

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Yeah, that's why they definitely
reached it.

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I would fall people there.
Okay, well, here's a really

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important question.
Hmm, did they find any evidence?

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No, don't say that.
Ah, sorry, you know, all they

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found was arrested getting
arrested other films being taken

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in, or I think arrested Another
the police called him.

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So there was this great one over
in the UK or was it France?

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It was over in Europe.
And this guy had like take it

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out like a stuffed dog because
he was so tired of being stuck

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in the house and the rule was
that like at like 4:00 p.m. you

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had to go inside and he hated
it.

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So he was taking this fake dog
on fake walks at like 10:00 at

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night.
Hmm.

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Oh so people are like okay.
I can only imagine if we were

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in, lockdown lockdown.
Down like they are.

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As long as they work, we
probably should have been longer

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but we've been out for almost a
year now.

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Yeah it says says, there were no
permissions granted to anyone to

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be in a building which was in
poor state of repair.

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Also they also broken entering
and trespassed.

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Yeah.
And as a result, it was an

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incredibly dangerous place to be
with parts of the building

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subject to collapse when
checking the building, it

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quickly became clear that a
number of people were inside and

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others.
He's outside.

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Three groups were eventually
located.

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So yeah, it was like what's
this?

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How they got fined.
So it's a apparently, it's a

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haunted house.
Let me see.

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Where's that was it?
I was that.

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I know what's in goodness.
Cheshire knows it Cheshire.

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Yeah and as probably one of them
because it stays different

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places where people are from
like so.

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Okay, some of the people who
drove from like West Yorkshire

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and yeah, some girl from
Derbyshire.

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Oh wow.
And yeah it's like so they all

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just drove out here.
And I guess they didn't plan on

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like being there together but
they okay.

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So, three separate groups.
Yeah.

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Of Ghost Hunters all showed up
at the same house.

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At the same time it is is
Chester is near Chester.

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Okay but yeah, here's a picture
of the house.

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It looks like an old on the
house, you know, music, there

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you go.
Give me at landscape by those

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horrible, right?
And you can see there's like

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graffiti on the side of it and
everything so as they are want

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to do.
Yeah.

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So I mean, it looks like a looks
like it's haunted so well then

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yeah.
Yeah, there it goes.

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That is kind of funny though in
the sense that like three

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different groups made that
decision completely separate

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from each other.
I would love to know what was so

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important about that house that
made them want to do that.

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I'll probably just bored anyone
to say they said, hey, I'm gonna

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go something today.
Yeah.

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Is that what we do?
We just say, hey I'm going to go

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sun today.
Yeah.

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Like you need to prepare a
little bit.

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I mean it's like um Have you
ever heard of random?

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Random Nautica?
Yeah.

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Okay, it's like that sort of,
it's like, you just, you know,

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you just like, I'm bored.
Ran, an article was kind of cool

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and creepy until those kids
found that lady in a okay

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suitcase.
Yeah.

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But then it got a little too
real, but yeah, but this was

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like, you know, during
quarantine or, you know, people

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would go out and like, hey, you
know, I got my friend, I want to

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do it.
Yeah.

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People will go out and they're
like, hey, I'm bored, let's go,

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you know, look for something
interesting today.

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We're Rando Moreno not today.
So you know, they're just bored

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in the house in the house.
Bored bored in the house in the

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house.
I think that's a great premise

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for a movie on shutter, boarding
house.

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No, everybody's like, they're
like I'm so bored.

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I've been in quarantine for like
eight months a year and a half

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who knows how long some people
have been quarantined.

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Now this point, like we're going
Ago.

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And then inadvertently, they all
end up at this place and they're

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all locked in this haunted
house.

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Bam.
Oh, if only you had just stayed

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in quarantine like you were
supposed to do.

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No, souls have to work.
Excuse me, ma'am.

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That's because you're a medical
person.

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So you have to work.
Yeah, exactly.

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But anyway, so this week's
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back to America, but for point
for a reason, okay, I realized

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that in taksaka on Tick-Tock.
I discussed the different kinds

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of serial killers and I've
discussed a lot of comfort

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Killers, like Ray and Faye
Copeland, from episode seven or

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Belle gunness from episode 2.
Those are people killing for

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money or things to make them
comfortable.

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I've discussed hedonistic
Killers like Ian, Brady and Myra

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hindley, I've ask us to power
and control killer Ivan Milat.

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But there are two that I've kind
of abandoned the Visionary and

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the missionary.
So I'm going to discuss a

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Visionary killer today.
Probably one of the classic

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cases for people who are not
well, versed on this Visionary.

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Serial killers are delusional,
and they believe that some other

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power is commanding them to kill
and that they are working for a

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higher purpose, okay?
At one of the classic cases

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would be Herbert Mullin a man.
Who believed if he killed, he'd

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safe.
California from a massive

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earthquake that he was convinced
would destroy the state.

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Hey, since you know I mean if
you didn't kill people, he's a

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sacrificing for the ancient
volcano.

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God, well, he believed that
other people should be

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sacrificing.
Yeah, he was like a poison.

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He was sacrificing other people
to the ancient volcano guys.

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Actually saw, they do you mean,
well, you'll see how very much

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has his line of thinking,
actually was very much like

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that.
Okay?

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So Herbert Mullin was born,
April, 4th 1947 and Salinas

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California, This is
coincidentally, the anniversary

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of the San Francisco Earthquake
of 1906, that massive one that

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destroyed San Francisco.
Something that he was well aware

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of and thought was divine
prominence.

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He was born to two Catholic,
parents Gene, and Bill, Mullen

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and his own father described,
their home as oppressively.

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Religious mainly due, to her
birth mother who was a devout

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Catholic, he had one older
sister named Patricia and his

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father was a World War 2, vet
and was described his Stern, but

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not abusive.
However, he did show Herbert all

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of his Idols and taught how to
use a gun at a young age in.

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1952 the family moved to a small
farming town of San Francisco.

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And then when he was 16
Herbert's family moved again to

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Santa Cruz, they lived and his
aunt and uncle's cabin and

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Boulder Creek until they were
able to find a house and felt

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him, which is a small town in
Santa Cruz County.

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They enrolled him in San Lorenzo
Valley High School where he made

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a lot of friends.
He played football, he was a

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really popular guy.
He had a Steady girlfriend and

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he was even moated most likely
to succeed in his senior year,

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in high school.
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Look at them.
Then in 1965 when he was 18

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years old.
His best friend.

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Dean Richardson was killed in a
car accident.

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This was the summer after they
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This was a major event in
Herbert's life and he actually

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built a shrine to his best
friend and his bedroom, and then

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he began to worry that his
inability to get over his

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friend's death was assigned that
he might be homosexual.

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Just so, I mean, even though he
had a girlfriend, I'm taking

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that as partially.
Well, I spoke to you about this

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the other day off, camera that I
I told I called it the

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schizophrenic time.
Oh, Rarity that schizophrenia is

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known to start in late teens,
early twenties, which is the

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primary time that we are going
to be discussing Herbert Mullin

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life.
So this is kind of what they

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would think of, as sort of a
trigger moment for him.

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And his life is a big issue.
He didn't know how to handle it.

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He just for some reason he
didn't have the tools to get

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over this and he began to read
about reincarnation natural

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disasters.
All religions and it all kind of

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became an obsession for him and
this will also be the time that

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people begin to notice a little
bit of his mental decline.

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He entered Cabrillo College in
the fall of 1965 to study

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engineering which is also when
he started using drugs and

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self-medicating with marijuana
and LSD.

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At 18.
He was diagnosed as a paranoid

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schizophrenic, but he was
allowed to go to college.

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As long as he continued his
medication, he finished his

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first year of school.
He got a summer job with the

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county road crew.
He broke up with his long-term,

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girlfriend Loretta for about six
months and they got back

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together in 1967 and then I got
engaged.

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Nice.
So like it seems like he's

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determined that he's had an
illness, he has a mental illness

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but he's got like a plan you
know he's doing something about

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it though.
So you know, he's trying to help

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himself.
The thing is though in that

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summer of 1967, when he got back
together with Loretta, he also

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started experimenting with drugs
more and he also began to fixate

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on Eastern religions.
He did manage to graduate with a

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two-year degree in Road
engineering and he enrolled in

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San Jose State College.
That fall of 67, he became

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active in the protest against
the war in Vietnam.

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He changed his major to
philosophy and became like kind

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of a hippie.
It's just one would do that.

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He withdrew from San Jose State
College registered as a

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conscientious objector has an
affair with a man cheating on

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Loretta and then after getting
violent with her they break up

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and he comes out as bisexual,
okay?

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So still nothing too crazy.
April of 1968, he gets arrested

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for possession of marijuana.
He pleads out to a lesser case.

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Getting only probation gets a
job at Goodwill Industries and

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he manages a Goodwill in San
Luis.

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Obispo California, he actually
gets granted that conscientious

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objector status and October of
1968, after his dad, wrote a

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letter to the draft about how
his son was very peacefully

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minded.
Oh, He okay.

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Yeah, his dad had to help the
Selective Service Board

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credited.
His time that he was working at

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Goodwill toward the required
alternative service.

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So if you were granted
conscientious objector, you

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still had to do like community
service or something for the

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good of America if you weren't
going to join the war that was

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just a part of the time period.
Okay.

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I guess.
Look you just gave me that you

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doing shit.
Fuck.

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Are you past the age where they
could call you and now?

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Oh no probably not.
I mean you are a young strapping

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man?
I am 32.

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If I don't know I forget What
age you suddenly become too old

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for it?
I think it's 35 outs of listen.

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If World War 3 breaks out, you
can still be called in.

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Don't jinx us, please.
So things were going.

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Alright, for Herbert until
February of 1969.

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He announces to his family.
He's going to India to study

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yoga.
You'll be Yogi instead he moves

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to, okay, I'm going to mess this
team up, but it's about

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Sebastopol California.
I never heard of the city.

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In my life, normally cities in
California are Spanish on what

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that is probably Spanish.
But either way, he moves into a

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trailer on the ranch owned by
his sister and her husband,

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maybe after a month. about a
month after he moves in, he's at

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dinner and their house and he
begins, imitating his

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brother-in-law's moves So this
is known as a capri Axia or Echo

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Kinesis and it's an involuntary
repetition of another person's

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actions and it is a sign of
schizophrenia.

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And this was assigned to his
family.

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He is not getting better and
They begged him to admit himself

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into a treatment facility.
What happened to be in the yogi?

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Nothing.
He just, he moved in with his

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sister and called it a day.
Yeah.

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You want him to be a yogi?
Yeah.

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Well him to be.
How do you wait?

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Wait a second, you know.
That he ends up murdering a slew

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of people in Santa Cruz, right?
Yeah.

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But maybe I can change the story
and by manifesting just get a

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manifest the fact that Herbert
Mullin didn't kill 30 people

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right there.
But no unfortunately, he did

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not, he did even take the trip.
He just he made it like an hour

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away, okay.
That's as far as he traveled.

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But I'm at the urging of his
family.

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He voluntarily committed himself
to the Mendocino state hospital,

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and he stayed there for six
weeks there.

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He was treated for
schizophrenia, aggravated by

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drug abuse, and treated with
antipsychotic medications.

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So wait, so his drug abuse.
Made it worse.

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Yes.
Okay.

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It's pretty common.
A lot of people with mental

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illness is self medicate as a
means to feel better.

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Right.
Right?

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Yeah makes sense.
Well that's not you know.

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Yeah we all eventually tell you
like how much he was abusing LSD

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if it's a lot.
But he's only there for about

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six weeks because he didn't
think it was doing anything for

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him and his doctors listed him
as uncooperative, and they also

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wrote in his chart, they gave
him a prognosis of poor, he

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checked himself out, May 9th,
1969.

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So this is the beginning of the
story right now.

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Okay.
And we already have a poor

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diagnosis.
He's our yeah.

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It's this is a really I guess.
Kind of a tragic tale.

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Hmm.
So, that's summer 69.

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He went to Lake Tahoe with
another patient for the

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facility.
The two of them found jobs as

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dishwashers at a gambling resort
known as Harvey's Wagon Wheel.

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This bit of stability, only
lasted a couple months as soon

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as he went home in August of
1969, he got in trouble.

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Again this time for pulling a
knife on a forest, ranger, who

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told him to leave a park?
He did not stab the forest

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ranger and he was taken to
county jail but he was not

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booked and was released to his
family.

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Okay shortly after this his
family thought that if he could

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get his drug use under control
he would be able to get the

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schizophrenia under control,
right?

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So they kind of don't want to
say bullied, but we call that

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positive early intervention in
support of they convinced him

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to, he goes to a community drug
Center in Santa Cruz impatient.

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That's September of 69 some time
while he was there.

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He began and like this was
multiple sources.

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That said this term.
So I just ritually burning his

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genitals with cigarettes.
Yes, what?

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Yep.
Know that that was the direct

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term ritually burning.
Yes, I'm sorry.

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So that's September of 1969, a
lot happens in October 1965 he

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leaves the drug rehab center.
He applies to be on public

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assistance since he's got no job
and no real place to live.

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He goes Goes to his old manager,
at the Goodwill store.

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And Herbert tells the store
manager, he's hearing voices and

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receiving messages.
He also made sexual advances

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toward one of his friends, who
then called Herbert's, Uncle

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Herbert over was a doctor and
immediately informed the local

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sheriff that his nephew was
having a psychotic episode that

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month, he gets involuntarily
committed to the psychiatric

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ward of San Luis Obispo.
Eddie Hospital.

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A doctor.
There says this is a direct

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quote as a result of a mental
disorder.

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He is a danger to others, a
danger to himself and Gravely

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disabled.
This is the first time that they

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have said, that his mental
illness is a disability.

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And I think that is a drastic
shift, right?

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Yeah.
While they're Herbert, start

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sending his letters to his
parents and begging them to

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write to him, that's November by
now.

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He's been there for a couple
weeks, he ends up getting

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treated total of your body eight
weeks and they diagnosed him for

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announce the third time as a
paranoid, schizophrenic at the

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end of November his family drive
to see him.

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And he tells them he's
homosexual I guess fully coming

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out on November 23rd. 1969, he's
discharged from San Luis.

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Obispo County Hospital
contingent upon Him attending

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sessions at the Santa Cruz
mental health, clinic near his

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parents house.
Wait, this is a Reed hospital.

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This is the third hospital.
He's been released from Mmm.

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Okay.
And he has to go to another one.

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Well, they're saying at this
point, they're saying we can

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treat him outpatient, right?
And we've set up something at

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another clinic near where your
parents live because they're

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releasing him to his parents,
right?

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So make it easier.
Bring his prognosis listed now

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is grave.
Oh, that's worse than poor.

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Yes, indeed!
Oh, so why really some him and

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to his defense Oh, Herbert did
originally try and follow the

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guidelines, right?
The problem is with the illness

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he had and the time that he
added, we didn't know nearly as

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much about it as we do now, he
probably shouldn't have been

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released on his own at this
point.

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Not like you said, Yeah, by
January of 1970.

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So literally a month later, he's
not keeping up with his sessions

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at the clinic.
He's not going to gloop group

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therapy.
He is taking his medicine

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intermittently and we learned
from the Elisa Lam case that

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Some of these medications you
cannot take off and on.

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You have to be consistent or can
cause even more aggressive,

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horrible, you know, violent
behaviors.

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The only thing that Herbert is
able to seem to be able to do in

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the beginning of 1970 is keep a
job.

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He's a dishwasher at the Holiday
Inn.

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Okay.
So March 1970.

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So he manages to keep that up
for about 2-3 months.

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He starts getting into fights
with his dad.

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Oh, really like real?
You know, very much pushing the

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boundaries and finally, his dad
is like, you got to go.

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Yeah, he moves out of his
parents house into a cheap hotel

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paid for by the state
assistance.

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00:27:13,300 --> 00:27:16,300
Checks he's getting, he meets
this guy named Eddie Lawrence

456
00:27:16,300 --> 00:27:20,000
who introduces him to the
commune life in Santa Cruz.

457
00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:23,900
He's super into it, but the
other residents there are like

458
00:27:23,900 --> 00:27:29,100
no we don't we don't want him.
So there's off about this guy.

459
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,600
Yep.
So in the summer of 1970, a

460
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,900
friend.
He met at the con you named Pat.

461
00:27:33,900 --> 00:27:37,800
Brown was like I'm going to
Hawaii, do you want to go with

462
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,600
me?
And her it's like, absolutely,

463
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,300
it's Hawaii.
Because who would turn down a

464
00:27:43,308 --> 00:27:44,800
trip to Hawaii?
Yeah.

465
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,100
Pat abandons Herbert in Hawaii,
because Herbert's acting weird.

466
00:27:51,100 --> 00:27:54,800
So he just leave them there.
Yes, he leaves them in Hawaii.

467
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,600
Yes, and Herbert admits himself
to the mental health clinic in

468
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,900
Maui.
Oh goodness.

469
00:28:01,100 --> 00:28:05,200
Okay, he is examined by a
psychiatrist there and this time

470
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,200
they diagnosed him with
schizoaffective schizophrenia.

471
00:28:08,900 --> 00:28:11,300
So I feel like Now, is the point
ready to talk about the

472
00:28:11,300 --> 00:28:13,600
different diagnosis because
we're hearing so many different

473
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,000
ones.
Yes, he's got three different,

474
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:21,900
very similar diagnosis.
And first thing you got to know

475
00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:25,500
if there's multiple kinds of
schizophrenia as a teen and an

476
00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:28,500
early adult he's diagnosed as
just gets a frantic, which is a

477
00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:32,500
mental illness, characterized by
hallucinations delusion

478
00:28:32,500 --> 00:28:36,000
disordered thinking behavior
that a daily functions.

479
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,700
He seen as a severe case at that
point but not Debilitating at,

480
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,300
then he gets diagnosed as a
paranoid schizophrenic with

481
00:28:45,300 --> 00:28:47,600
paranoid.
Schizophrenia delusions are

482
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:53,800
fixed and the person is, as it
states very paranoid, this is

483
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,600
the kind of person who thinks
that, you know, like the tinfoil

484
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,400
hat like they're listening in on
me, the FBI is out to get me.

485
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,700
They have a fixed delusion,
that's kind of the center of

486
00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:07,600
their problem, okay?
Now in the clinic in Maui, he

487
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,000
gets this third diagnosis
schizoaffective schizophrenia

488
00:29:11,300 --> 00:29:15,200
which we would now and 2021 call
schizoaffective disorder.

489
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:20,300
This one is you have some of the
schizophrenic things like the

490
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,800
Delusions and disordered
thinking, but it's also

491
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,400
connected to other disorders
like depression or bipolar

492
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,600
disorder.
So at this point more than

493
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,000
likely what probably freaked
out, Pat Brown is him swinging

494
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,100
from high to low with his
Outburst, okay?

495
00:29:41,100 --> 00:29:42,800
At this point.
Now I mean the first time it

496
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,200
started was only a couple years
ago.

497
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:49,800
I was 18.
His illness is not only

498
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:55,400
progressing, it's progressing
fast and he is rapidly declining

499
00:29:55,700 --> 00:29:59,900
and like I said, so I really
don't think in this day and age.

500
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,100
He would have been allowed to
just travel freely.

501
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,600
No, even in this situation, it
takes some time for the hospital

502
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,200
to be willing to release him.
They're not willing to release

503
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,700
him until July of 1970 and he
went to Hawaii in June.

504
00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:19,200
So at least about a month, my
God, ya know, he has to write

505
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,400
his family for money to
essentially buy him a plane

506
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,600
ticket to get back to
California.

507
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:32,100
He moves back in with his family
on July 30th and he gets

508
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:35,100
arrested for being under the
influence of drugs and

509
00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:40,400
possession of illegal things
almost immediately.

510
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,700
I just feel like it might sound
bad, but I feel like at this

511
00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:47,500
point, like, a mental
institution would be like, like

512
00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:50,700
in Patient like, would be best
for him.

513
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:56,000
It's rough on one hand.
It feels like you don't want to

514
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:01,100
limit people's freedom.
Yeah but but on the other hand

515
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,600
like this is someone who's just
deeply unwell and like people

516
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,700
just keep passing him off back
and forth to other people.

517
00:31:07,700 --> 00:31:09,700
Yeah.
And it is not helping him.

518
00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:13,300
It's not in like while he's in
jail, they don't give him his

519
00:31:13,300 --> 00:31:18,500
medications which is horrible.
He starts singing, Singing at

520
00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:24,800
the top of his lungs for hours
and the prison decides to lock

521
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,800
this as an emergency and they
sent him to the county hospital

522
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,600
where he's committed again on a
mint.

523
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,200
Like if I figured that's called,
um, attend a 90/10, 50, forget

524
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,200
what it's called, the charges
got dropped.

525
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,600
He's released again, under a
California law that says that

526
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,800
you can't hold a mental patient
longer than 72 hours.

527
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,800
Oh okay.
That's because it Be used to

528
00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:52,700
detain people.
Unlawful a sometimes.

529
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:57,100
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay,
Herbert is 23.

530
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,800
This is where we are right now
and to his like to in his

531
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,700
defense he tries to get his life
on track again.

532
00:32:05,300 --> 00:32:07,900
He applies for readmission to
Cabrillo College to study

533
00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:10,600
psychology this time, but he
can't keep up with his

534
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:15,200
counseling appointments.
He is very mad at his parents.

535
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,000
He's living with them again and
he blames them for.

536
00:32:18,100 --> 00:32:21,200
The fact that he has a mental
illness, he changes his life

537
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,600
insurance policy, so that if he
dies UNICEF will be his

538
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,800
beneficiary, he gets a job
driving trucks for Goodwill.

539
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,900
Has a couple of you know,
affairs with other people,

540
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,800
during the winter of 1970 1971.
He starts changing himself,

541
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,100
physically.
He shaves his head goes on a

542
00:32:40,100 --> 00:32:43,400
macrobiotic diet loses.
A bunch of weight begins wearing

543
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,600
a big black sombrero and
speaking in a fake Mexican

544
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,200
accent.
Okay, yeah, it's weird.

545
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,000
March 1971.
He spends 10 days in jail for

546
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,400
public intoxication and
resisting arrest.

547
00:32:59,100 --> 00:33:01,500
They dismiss his public drug
charge.

548
00:33:02,700 --> 00:33:07,100
April, 1971, the hospital
decides to close the case and

549
00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:09,500
Santa Cruz because he just
hasn't shown up for any

550
00:33:09,500 --> 00:33:14,100
appointments in about a year in.
May, he moves to San Francisco

551
00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:18,100
into a crappy apartment full of
Alcoholics, drug addicts, and

552
00:33:18,100 --> 00:33:20,300
people who are also mentally
ill?

553
00:33:20,300 --> 00:33:22,600
Okay, yeah, the people you're
not supposed to be, you should

554
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,600
not be around right now and he
makes a friend.

555
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,300
Yes.
Can't sit still the people you

556
00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:33,600
should not be around right now.
He and Alan Bond over

557
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:38,300
reincarnation and they begin
discussing that the voices that

558
00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:42,500
he's hearing are actually
telepathy telling her birth that

559
00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:45,700
he's been chosen by God to do
something very special.

560
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,200
He also picks up a fascination
with leader and DaVinci during

561
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,300
this time.
While studying in the library

562
00:33:52,300 --> 00:33:56,000
one day, he learns that he was
born on the anniversary of

563
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,200
Albert Einstein's, death and
that really solidified for him

564
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,900
that he was born for greatness.
Almost that, maybe.

565
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,699
He might be The Reincarnation of
Albert Einstein.

566
00:34:09,699 --> 00:34:12,699
All right.
Look, me and the rock or Taurus

567
00:34:12,699 --> 00:34:15,300
is okay.
That doesn't that doesn't make

568
00:34:15,300 --> 00:34:18,500
me think that hey I can go out
and be a wrestling Superstar

569
00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:22,199
now.
I mean, he's still alive.

570
00:34:22,300 --> 00:34:24,800
Yeah, exactly.
So what so they weren't

571
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,199
reincarnated as the wrong?
No.

572
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:29,100
But I can't lie, I could have
he's older than me.

573
00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:32,800
So, you know, I guess one of his
wrestling prowess or something

574
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,500
like, oh my goodness.
So September of 1971.

575
00:34:37,500 --> 00:34:42,100
Now, 24 years old, he takes a
job at the Newman Herman gym and

576
00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:46,199
gets into amateur boxing know.
This actually proves to be a

577
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:50,199
good outlet for him and he
doesn't get in trouble at All

578
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,699
it's like a it's like I've had a
therapist before and they do say

579
00:34:55,699 --> 00:34:57,100
like exercise and stuff like
that.

580
00:34:57,100 --> 00:34:58,900
It's really good for your mental
health.

581
00:34:59,500 --> 00:35:02,300
And honestly, any Outlet you
have can be really good.

582
00:35:02,300 --> 00:35:04,800
Absolutely see why?
So many people started doing

583
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,600
creative stuff during covid-19
slap down.

584
00:35:07,900 --> 00:35:12,400
We'll just like doing sports.
I mean, like I started making

585
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:18,000
things out of plastic and resin
and stuff like that, and And I

586
00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:22,500
use my outlet to skate in.
Yeah.

587
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,800
Hey people my shoulders.
Oh yeah.

588
00:35:26,500 --> 00:35:27,800
Yeah.
I mean this is all really good

589
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,800
like it, having an outlet at all
for you to express yourself is

590
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,700
really great.
You know he's doing so well that

591
00:35:33,700 --> 00:35:38,300
in March of 1972, they give him
a permit to box in a Golden

592
00:35:38,300 --> 00:35:42,400
Gloves competition.
Oh nice, you know, better good.

593
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:49,000
You know, I know where it's
going but well unfortunately, he

594
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,500
doesn't get to compete in that
competition because while he's

595
00:35:52,500 --> 00:35:57,000
like sparring and practicing, he
won't stop attacking the other

596
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,700
person and trainers.
Like don't want to work with

597
00:36:00,700 --> 00:36:07,500
him.
So essentially, he's having

598
00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:09,300
impulse control issues.
Yeah.

599
00:36:09,300 --> 00:36:12,400
But so still like he's
practicing and like fighting

600
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:13,500
with somebody else.
Yeah.

601
00:36:13,500 --> 00:36:16,500
And so you know, when they say
like stop and they say, like

602
00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:18,900
give the other person a break or
call it off?

603
00:36:18,900 --> 00:36:21,400
He won't stop.
He's going, he keeps keeps

604
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:22,200
hitting that.
Okay.

605
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,200
Okay.
Okay.

606
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,100
I just got confused by bringing
such shut down for a second.

607
00:36:27,500 --> 00:36:30,200
So it's September 1972.
He moves back in with his

608
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,400
parents gets a job as a busboy
in a restaurant and he stopped

609
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,600
taking his medication.
Occasionally again, he almost

610
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,500
had a he had a almost a good
year.

611
00:36:39,100 --> 00:36:41,200
This time, he starts to fixate
on new things.

612
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,000
He's real mad at his dad and he
says the voices were telling him

613
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,900
to kill his father publicly.
A large earthquake is predicted

614
00:36:48,900 --> 00:36:51,500
to hit California, that might
cause Mass casualties.

615
00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:55,400
And this is another detail that
is something else he becomes

616
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,900
fixated on.
He later says that he'd been

617
00:36:58,900 --> 00:37:01,400
receiving telepathic messages
from his father.

618
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:08,500
The tell him to kill someone.
So, October 13, 1972.

619
00:37:08,900 --> 00:37:14,000
He does.
He's driving and he passes a

620
00:37:14,500 --> 00:37:18,200
transient man.
Lawrence white walking alone on

621
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,000
this Winding Road in Santa Cruz.
He stops his car had of him and

622
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,500
pretends to have car troubles
and when Lawrence stops to help

623
00:37:25,500 --> 00:37:28,700
Herbert, he beat him to death
with a baseball bat in his car

624
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,800
and leaves the body on the side
of the road.

625
00:37:30,900 --> 00:37:32,600
Oh wow.
Yeah.

626
00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:38,700
So he was out that night that
night was just went like, I

627
00:37:38,700 --> 00:37:40,400
guess you couldn't say, you
wouldn't say it was like

628
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,700
premeditated.
Hate it but he did plan on

629
00:37:42,700 --> 00:37:46,000
killing someone that night.
This will be your line of

630
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,700
thinking where you're going
right now is going to become

631
00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:50,000
very important when we get to
trial, okay?

632
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,800
But first, we have to talk about
the murders.

633
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,900
October 24th 1972.
Only a couple weeks later.

634
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,600
He picks up a woman named Mary
gilfoyle.

635
00:38:00,100 --> 00:38:03,000
She also, she went to Cabrillo
College and she was running late

636
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,300
for an interview.
He offers her a ride, stabbed

637
00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:11,700
her in the chest, and the back
drives to a field cuts, open her

638
00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:17,800
body, and spreads her insides
all along the hillside.

639
00:38:18,500 --> 00:38:19,900
Okay?
Yep.

640
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,700
It's a new take, on The Hills,
Have Eyes.

641
00:38:22,700 --> 00:38:27,900
She The hills have energy since
she wouldn't be found for

642
00:38:27,900 --> 00:38:32,500
another four months.
Oh goodness, November 2nd, 1972.

643
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,700
All Souls day, Herbert goes to
st.

644
00:38:34,700 --> 00:38:38,300
Mary's Catholic Church and
confesses his previous two

645
00:38:38,300 --> 00:38:42,200
murders.
He's in the little confessional

646
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:48,600
booth and he thinks he's alone.
So, at some point he realizes

647
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,900
that there's a priest in one of
the booths.

648
00:38:50,900 --> 00:38:54,200
Yeah.
And he starts trying to lick it.

649
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,400
And the guys, you know, now does
this man is Father, Henry to me

650
00:38:57,700 --> 00:39:03,400
to me to my is t0 Mei, I feel
bad, father, Henry, tell me.

651
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:11,700
Because Herbert freaks out and
starts trying to stab father,

652
00:39:11,700 --> 00:39:15,800
Henry a church parishioner
actually walks in on the attack,

653
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,200
screams and runs away.
And calls the cops.

654
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,800
Oh, she did get a glimpse of
him, but she described him as a

655
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:27,000
blur of black and blood.
This is the first murder that

656
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,900
the community is really aware of
wait.

657
00:39:28,900 --> 00:39:33,800
So he got he killed the father.
Yeah he brutally stabbed.

658
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,000
Father Henry and runs away.
Oh man.

659
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,800
So, see the thing is The Drifter
had been an elderly man and a

660
00:39:41,808 --> 00:39:45,100
drunk with really no family, but
the priest was a member of

661
00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:47,400
community.
He was a World War Two veteran,

662
00:39:48,300 --> 00:39:50,900
religious.
People were like, is this like

663
00:39:50,900 --> 00:39:54,600
an attack from a Satanist cult,
the police even went to the

664
00:39:54,600 --> 00:40:00,000
funeral hoping to see if the
killer would, you know, show up

665
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,200
at the funeral?
The typical thing that they do.

666
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,800
Uh-huh, only problem is Herbert
is not killing like a typical

667
00:40:06,100 --> 00:40:11,200
killer at this point.
Well, it seems like a random

668
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,600
killing, it's not that odd that
Herbert third killing was a

669
00:40:14,607 --> 00:40:17,500
priest, considering he has a
lifetime of rage towards

670
00:40:17,500 --> 00:40:21,400
organized religion, based around
his sexual identity, which is so

671
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,900
interesting that I chose to
write about this this week.

672
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:30,300
When there is a song that just
came out from a musician,

673
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,100
discussing the same thing or
more.

674
00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:39,500
So the music video discusses.
Yeah, that feels Of being told

675
00:40:39,500 --> 00:40:45,000
by the church or the Christian
church, that you're going to go

676
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,200
to hell for being the way that
you are.

677
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:52,600
Yeah.
And so, for a little nozick's,

678
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,900
apparently it came out in the
desire to give the devil a lap

679
00:40:55,900 --> 00:40:59,200
dance, Herbert Mullin, decided
to stab a priest to death.

680
00:40:59,900 --> 00:41:02,800
I feel like one of the two of
them came up with a much more

681
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,400
creative and healthy Outlet.
Good job Herbert.

682
00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:09,300
No.
In top Herbert.

683
00:41:09,700 --> 00:41:11,600
Good job.
Montero.

684
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,500
Oh kidding.
I haven't seen the video yet

685
00:41:13,500 --> 00:41:16,400
though you should.
It's actually got a lot of depth

686
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,100
to it.
People are really freaking out

687
00:41:18,100 --> 00:41:20,100
over the like two screen shots
of him.

688
00:41:20,100 --> 00:41:21,800
You know, busted It Wide Open
with the devil.

689
00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:23,900
Oh no.
But there's a lot of other

690
00:41:23,900 --> 00:41:25,500
subtext.
That's quite lovely.

691
00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:29,300
Him being seduced by the serpent
in the Garden of Eden.

692
00:41:29,500 --> 00:41:33,600
Hmm, who is himself?
Wait, he's by himself.

693
00:41:33,900 --> 00:41:36,600
Yes, listen is covid.
You can't be hired other people

694
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,300
to being in music videos.
I didn't mean like that element.

695
00:41:40,300 --> 00:41:42,800
I don't was like some type of
elderly I don't think with that,

696
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,300
I think so but he's Adam and
he's being seduced by a serpent.

697
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,800
Okay.
See you try to blame me for

698
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,000
everything.
See not in this case but yeah so

699
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,200
it's not too crazy that Herbert
Mullin is against organized

700
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,100
religion.
The interesting thing though, is

701
00:41:59,100 --> 00:42:02,300
that whenever he would rebel
against religion he would also

702
00:42:02,300 --> 00:42:06,200
flip flop like really
aggressively the extreme so then

703
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,000
like after he would go through
these phases.

704
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,400
Has of like earlier I hate
Christianity.

705
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,700
I hate my parents then he would
like walk around carrying a

706
00:42:13,707 --> 00:42:15,400
Bible and talking about how he
was going to join the

707
00:42:15,408 --> 00:42:18,000
priesthood.
Oh God, he was very much

708
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,900
flipping like and see.
That's why I don't doubt the

709
00:42:21,900 --> 00:42:25,100
when they said this gives the
affective disorder, potentially

710
00:42:25,100 --> 00:42:27,600
a little bit of bipolar
disorder, his, he got real high

711
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,500
highs and real low lows.
Yeah.

712
00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:32,300
But that's like, that's like a
change of character raise

713
00:42:32,300 --> 00:42:33,800
theirs.
Absolutely.

714
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,700
Okay.
During this time though, the

715
00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:40,600
voices change for Herbert, he
told the police that he was

716
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,000
being told by Albert Einstein,
that he was the designated

717
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:49,000
leader and that now his victims
were giving him permission to

718
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,500
kill them as a sacrifice to save
California.

719
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,600
The leader of what you would
seemingly.

720
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,300
He says the words designated
leader.

721
00:43:02,300 --> 00:43:05,500
Okay, okay.
After killing the priest, it

722
00:43:05,500 --> 00:43:07,800
seemed to have clicked for him.
The real source of his anger,

723
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,500
his Evangelical parents
specifically his father November

724
00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:13,500
1970.
So, it's weird though member, I

725
00:43:13,500 --> 00:43:15,100
told you he's flipping back and
forth, and right?

726
00:43:15,100 --> 00:43:18,500
His dad was in the military.
So, on one hand, he's like, my

727
00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:21,200
dad's, the military you were
this, like, you told me all

728
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:22,800
these horrible things you did in
the war.

729
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,800
But then November 1972.
He tries to join the Coast

730
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,800
Guard.
To almost, it seems like get his

731
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:34,100
father's approval.
Do you think that like him?

732
00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:37,700
Killing a priest was like him?
Killing his dad in a way?

733
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:42,000
We'll see.
There's a lot of questions about

734
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,500
his his mode.
I'm sorry.

735
00:43:43,700 --> 00:43:46,500
No, it's okay.
Was that he tried to join the

736
00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:48,700
Coast Guard, but he failed the
psychological evaluation of

737
00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:52,500
course which put him in laps him
into another bit of paranoia

738
00:43:52,500 --> 00:43:54,400
about his father, conspiring
against him.

739
00:43:55,100 --> 00:43:57,200
But the hippies in the war
resisters were to blame I'm they

740
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,200
brainwashed him into giving him
drugs and destroyed his mind.

741
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:07,600
This time.
However, he decided he was going

742
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,300
to kill people who ruined his
life.

743
00:44:10,300 --> 00:44:12,300
There's a gap that happens in
The Killing here.

744
00:44:12,300 --> 00:44:14,600
But I'm, I'll explain it to you
later because it's really more

745
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,100
important in the trial, in
December.

746
00:44:17,100 --> 00:44:20,600
He buys a gun.
This is 72 that after reading

747
00:44:20,900 --> 00:44:24,400
the book Einstein on peace, he
tells the police that he need

748
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,800
the gun, because he was
one-third Scandinavian.

749
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,100
And in the book, every adult
male in Switzerland, was in a

750
00:44:30,100 --> 00:44:32,400
militia and had to keep a gun
for protection.

751
00:44:32,700 --> 00:44:34,300
So he's like, I'm Scandinavian
eyes.

752
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:39,900
I should have a gun too.
Okay, this Jamie 15 1973, he

753
00:44:39,900 --> 00:44:43,600
manages to pass the physical and
mental exams, to join the Marine

754
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:49,200
Corps also not awesome.
How in the world, did he pass

755
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,200
the psych eval?
Whose it was?

756
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,900
Yeah.
I have no idea.

757
00:44:57,700 --> 00:44:59,400
Those are some crazy guys out
there here's what?

758
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,400
Yeah, that's my first thought,
when I saw I was like wait a

759
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,300
second.
He pass But he messes it up for

760
00:45:06,300 --> 00:45:10,100
himself.
So, in the last phase of

761
00:45:10,100 --> 00:45:12,600
whenever you work for the
government, which happened for

762
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,800
me, when I work for the
government, you have to give

763
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,800
them permission to do it very
extensive background check and

764
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,400
Herbert refused to sign the
documents, giving them

765
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:22,800
permission to seize criminal
records.

766
00:45:23,100 --> 00:45:25,800
He insisted it wasn't important.
And that the charges should have

767
00:45:25,808 --> 00:45:29,000
been dropped.
So because he wouldn't comply

768
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,900
with this final step.
He was dismissed from the

769
00:45:30,900 --> 00:45:31,800
process.
Yeah.

770
00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:36,400
I'm trying to just remember his
everything I remember, he got,

771
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,700
what do you got arrested for?
It was moving, his public

772
00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:42,500
drunkenness and refusing.
Also any time he got arrested,

773
00:45:42,500 --> 00:45:44,400
even if the charges were
dismissed, those would be on his

774
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:45,800
record.
Okay, yeah.

775
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:50,600
But I'm just saying, like, they
weren't that bad.

776
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,600
I agree with you, but in his
head, they were.

777
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:58,100
Yeah.
So January 19th 1973, Herbert's

778
00:45:58,100 --> 00:46:01,800
dad tells him again, you need to
go, so he moves into another

779
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,700
crappy apartment.
His parents were kind of tired

780
00:46:04,700 --> 00:46:07,800
of them, him constantly,
criticizing them, and

781
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:12,000
criticizing them as parents.
He was like, listen, I'm going

782
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,600
to try and get into the army,
and he started applying for a

783
00:46:15,607 --> 00:46:20,500
number of jobs.
So, Remember, I told you that he

784
00:46:20,500 --> 00:46:23,200
was fixated on the people who
ruined his life.

785
00:46:24,100 --> 00:46:28,100
After about two point, five
months of jeweling on a man by

786
00:46:28,100 --> 00:46:32,400
the name of James G and era.
He decides he's going to kill

787
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,900
him.
So in Herbert's mind, James

788
00:46:35,900 --> 00:46:38,200
represented, everything that had
messed up his life.

789
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,400
James gave him the drugs that
messed up his head, James had

790
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,900
told him about the peace
movement which made society shun

791
00:46:44,900 --> 00:46:47,600
him.
He even said that James had

792
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,100
tricked him into buying land.
And I'm like, how is that a

793
00:46:51,107 --> 00:46:53,400
trick?
That's a solid investment is

794
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,900
harassment.
Doesn't matter what you put.

795
00:46:55,900 --> 00:46:57,700
There's a haze.
I wasn't making money.

796
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:03,800
That regardless, January 25th,
1973, he decides, I'm doing it.

797
00:47:04,500 --> 00:47:07,800
He goes to James's old house and
a woman named Kathy Francis

798
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,300
lives there.
Now, with her kids and her

799
00:47:09,300 --> 00:47:11,600
husband, her husband was
actually a drug dealer.

800
00:47:11,900 --> 00:47:15,900
So that's how he and James knew
each other, who was out in

801
00:47:15,900 --> 00:47:19,700
Berkeley probably selling drugs
of college kids because That

802
00:47:19,700 --> 00:47:22,400
happens.
There she tells him.

803
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,900
Hey, well, Jim and his wife
moved to the other side of town

804
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,200
and gives him the address
thinking that maybe Herbert was

805
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,500
like, a drug to faction, or it
was something, you know, solid,

806
00:47:31,500 --> 00:47:33,500
right Herbert drives to Jim's
new house.

807
00:47:33,500 --> 00:47:36,500
He gets let him with no issue
because James remembers him

808
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,700
Herbert, however, is not okay
and he shoots him downstairs.

809
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,000
James, drags himself upstairs,
trying to get to his wife, who

810
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:51,900
was taking a bath, He shoots
both of them in the head stabs

811
00:47:51,900 --> 00:47:55,400
them repeatedly.
I couldn't get an exact tally

812
00:47:55,400 --> 00:48:00,900
when I was looking up articles,
just the word Overkill?

813
00:48:02,100 --> 00:48:05,700
Okay, repeat it.
So the two of them would be

814
00:48:05,700 --> 00:48:10,600
found later that day.
When Jim's wife Joan her, the

815
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,800
grandmother her mother returned
after babysitting, their infant

816
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,300
daughter.
I know.

817
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,200
Then he drives back to Kathy
francis's house and kills her

818
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,000
and her two children, David, and
Damon who were four and nine

819
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,500
years old.
Why?

820
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,500
Because they knew they didn't
know nothing where they were.

821
00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:32,100
They saw him.
So, what everybody saw you that

822
00:48:32,100 --> 00:48:38,000
day, Well, this is five people
in one day.

823
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:42,000
Yeah.
So the community freaks out but

824
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:46,400
the police spin this, as what
they call a drug burn because

825
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,600
both Bob Francis and Jim G and
arrow were known drug dealers.

826
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,400
Bob is cleared as a suspect and
gives the police a long list of

827
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,900
potential enemies of both, he
and Jim to the cops, but of

828
00:48:58,900 --> 00:49:01,700
course, Herbert isn't on the
list because the last time Jim

829
00:49:01,700 --> 00:49:05,600
had even seen Herbert had been
the summer Of 1971 when Herbert

830
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:10,100
did 10 tabs of acid, I don't
know what that is.

831
00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:14,000
I have to explain this to people
who don't necessarily understand

832
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:23,200
drugs Let me turn them.
One tab of acid is how much like

833
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:28,000
regular people might take like
anywhere from a half to like to

834
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:34,300
So for a tall skinny man to take
10 is an exorbitant amount of

835
00:49:34,300 --> 00:49:40,900
drugs that's like mean I'd be
gone for like honestly I have a

836
00:49:40,908 --> 00:49:45,200
friend who casually does acid
and my friend has told me it's

837
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,600
not even worth it to do that
much because at some point your

838
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:53,800
brain just goes, no, we cannot
process any more drugs.

839
00:49:55,100 --> 00:49:58,300
So like I don't know if things
were different 50 years ago.

840
00:49:58,500 --> 00:50:02,200
So, in terms of what these drugs
did, but they probably were a

841
00:50:02,207 --> 00:50:05,000
little more dangerous back then
as was probably great.

842
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,300
That's what I'm saying.
So it probably was way more

843
00:50:08,300 --> 00:50:10,300
extreme than even.
What is on the market?

844
00:50:10,300 --> 00:50:14,600
Now, I just can't even fathom
the idea.

845
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,500
Like, I'm trying to think of
this, in a way that people would

846
00:50:16,500 --> 00:50:19,700
understand.
Like, imagine you went, you know

847
00:50:19,700 --> 00:50:21,100
what?
I'm gonna do today.

848
00:50:21,300 --> 00:50:25,100
Drink five bottles of vodka in
one sitting.

849
00:50:25,300 --> 00:50:27,900
Like, I'm going to die.
That's the thing.

850
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,900
You Died from Acid, but you can
have a horrible time.

851
00:50:32,500 --> 00:50:34,700
You could do things, that would
make you die.

852
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,200
You just, you would have what
they consider to be a bad trip

853
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,200
which is just a horrible
experience, very bad trip.

854
00:50:42,300 --> 00:50:44,200
Yeah.
I've, I mean, I was actually

855
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,400
great documentary on Netflix or
people talk about acid and some

856
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:48,800
celebrities have discussed
there.

857
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,700
Like I did it once.
I had a horrible time and I

858
00:50:50,700 --> 00:50:53,900
never touched it again.
Like, that's how bad a bad trip

859
00:50:53,900 --> 00:50:57,500
is because you're locked into it
for 8 to 12 hours.

860
00:50:57,700 --> 00:51:01,100
Oh, just having a horrible time.
Oh, that's terrible.

861
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:08,200
Exactly why you want to be an
apparently, a good mood and mad

862
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,900
but I don't think Herbert Mullin
was ever in a good mood.

863
00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:13,900
Looks like he's he was just
always having a bad time

864
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,000
constantly and that bad state of
mind.

865
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,200
He's not taking the drugs for
the funsies, he's

866
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:23,200
self-medicating.
So I can only imagine if you're

867
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,600
in this terrible mental state
and you're like, I'm going to

868
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:30,700
take this hallucinogenic drug
That only intensifies, my

869
00:51:30,700 --> 00:51:34,000
feelings.
And my experience with the world

870
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,800
around me.
He's already delusional.

871
00:51:35,900 --> 00:51:39,900
He doesn't need to see more
delusions.

872
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:45,300
I just Like I'm not a big fan of
saying like drugs ruined

873
00:51:45,300 --> 00:51:49,300
someone's mind but they very
well may have with the amount of

874
00:51:49,300 --> 00:51:50,600
drugs.
He was abusing.

875
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,900
Let me give you abused it.
Yes of course.

876
00:51:53,900 --> 00:51:57,600
But you know if you're just
casually taking it's different.

877
00:51:58,500 --> 00:52:00,800
Oh yeah.
So I thought that was surprised.

878
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,500
I was like 10 tabs, good lordy.
That's a lot of drugs.

879
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:11,000
I also want to make a note here.
Do you when I say Santa Cruz is

880
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,200
that mean anything to you?
You Santa Cruz, Santa Cruz,

881
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,400
California.
It, I know it.

882
00:52:17,500 --> 00:52:18,800
You do?
You should know it?

883
00:52:18,900 --> 00:52:21,700
Yeah.
Because for a good like decade

884
00:52:21,700 --> 00:52:24,200
people were calling it.
The murder capital of America.

885
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,800
Yeah, I think it was most
movies.

886
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:32,600
Know there's a really tall
serial killer, who used to kill

887
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,300
their.
Oh yeah, at camper.

888
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:41,200
In fact, Ed Kemper and Herbert
Mill Herbert Mullin were killing

889
00:52:41,500 --> 00:52:45,900
in.
A cruise at the same time so you

890
00:52:45,900 --> 00:52:46,800
got.
You got it.

891
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,500
Mister, I want to make skin
suits out of people.

892
00:52:49,700 --> 00:52:53,800
No, that's Ed Gein.
Okay, you got any a, The Co-Ed

893
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,000
Killer?
Okay.

894
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,000
He's the guy who was killing
college girls and cut their

895
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,200
heads off.
That he killed his mom and cut

896
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,700
her head off.
And look, I can't keep track of

897
00:53:03,700 --> 00:53:05,600
these guys.
The eagle would explain egg

898
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,700
campers that he's like almost
seven feet tall.

899
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,600
Okay?
He's massive, dude, toe boy and

900
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,600
he Decided while he was in
prison and he just doesn't want

901
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,200
to leave prison, even though
they keep offering him parole,

902
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,900
he's like nah, I'm good.
Yeah, I don't like, you know, he

903
00:53:19,900 --> 00:53:24,700
realizes that he does not know
how to function in society, make

904
00:53:24,700 --> 00:53:30,300
sense, but Also, during this
time there's another man named

905
00:53:30,300 --> 00:53:34,200
John Lilly Frazier, who killed a
family, his whole family.

906
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,800
This time the owner family and
their secretary female

907
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,300
hitchhikers begin disappearing,
in April of 1972.

908
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:46,200
And there found decapitated
Alice, Lou and Roslyn Thorpe go

909
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,300
messing a 79 year.
Old woman is found raped and

910
00:53:49,308 --> 00:53:52,400
murdered in her bathtub.
They find the skeletal remains

911
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,000
of Mary Guilfoyle the woman that
Mullen killed February 11th

912
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,900
1973.
They also find the remains of

913
00:53:58,900 --> 00:54:03,200
Cynthia Shaw and Marianne pasch
both of their heads in the Loma

914
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:07,200
Prieta Mountain gun sales, rise
rapidly.

915
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,000
Yeah, you gotta protect
yourselves.

916
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:13,400
The police don't know if this is
Cole killings one, serial killer

917
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,500
Seven Seas.
Like this is one time where I am

918
00:54:16,500 --> 00:54:19,300
going to give the police a
break.

919
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,500
Santa Cruz is a pretty small
town, think of where you.

920
00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:26,100
And I live about this kind of
metropolis about 100,000 people.

921
00:54:28,100 --> 00:54:32,000
And between 1970 and 1973.
Like even the district attorney

922
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:37,300
just went This is murder Ville
USA and the people like the

923
00:54:37,300 --> 00:54:40,200
papers called it, you know, is
this a sleepy Beach town?

924
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,700
Santa Cruz is nice little Beach
town and they call it.

925
00:54:43,700 --> 00:54:46,300
The murder capital of the u.s.
for about those three years.

926
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:53,300
So just after finding Mario,
foils Remains, the police, find

927
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:58,400
another pretty terrible scene
for teenage boys, shot in their

928
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,900
tent, in the middle of the woods
and Henry Cal State Park.

929
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,100
They were Brian Scott Card,
David all occur, Robert Spector,

930
00:55:06,100 --> 00:55:09,900
and Mark dreibelbis.
They had built a temporary

931
00:55:09,900 --> 00:55:14,700
shelter out of sheets and spare
wood, the plastic sheets Herbert

932
00:55:14,700 --> 00:55:18,700
Mullin, discovered them on
February 10th. 1973 the boys

933
00:55:18,700 --> 00:55:21,800
initially invited him into the
shelter, but Herbert was kind of

934
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:26,000
pissed because a park ranger had
kicked him out while he was

935
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,300
trying to do the same thing,
which was sleep in the park

936
00:55:31,300 --> 00:55:36,400
Herbert like, tries to like
square off and seem like a scary

937
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,700
guy and tells them to leave and
their Facing public property.

938
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,400
And as teen boys are likely to
do.

939
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:47,100
They laughed at him?
I would They were discovered a

940
00:55:47,100 --> 00:55:49,700
week later when one of the
victims Brothers went looking

941
00:55:49,700 --> 00:55:54,000
for them, I would have been
discovered a week later to the

942
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,100
scene was pretty gruesome, like
one of the boys were shot while

943
00:55:56,107 --> 00:55:59,100
trying to gather plastic tent.
He pretty much heard it.

944
00:55:59,107 --> 00:56:01,800
Pick them off.
One by one, use the all their

945
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,200
own rifle.
That they had brought with him

946
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,500
into the woods and taking about
$20 off of their body.

947
00:56:06,500 --> 00:56:10,300
So well.
So, so he just wanted payback

948
00:56:10,300 --> 00:56:15,200
for being totally mad.
Yeah, he was was a, he's being

949
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,000
petty.
You at this point?

950
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:23,400
Yeah.
So, police decided after mariga,

951
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,300
foils body was found to try and
like, warn the living of Santa

952
00:56:26,300 --> 00:56:27,900
Cruz.
Like, hey, maybe you should stop

953
00:56:27,900 --> 00:56:30,500
hitchhiking because like, we
don't really know what to do

954
00:56:30,500 --> 00:56:32,900
here.
Like you keep getting into cars

955
00:56:32,900 --> 00:56:35,200
with strangers and y'all are
getting sexually assaulted and

956
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,400
murdered.
So they just assumed that Mary

957
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:42,000
was another one of those victims
died to whoever was doing that.

958
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:49,800
No.
It February 13. 1973 Herbert's

959
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:53,100
driving sees a man named Fred
Perez working in his garden.

960
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,900
He pulls into the man's driver.
Gets out shoots him in the chest

961
00:56:57,700 --> 00:56:59,900
before he can even see if Perez
is Dad.

962
00:56:59,900 --> 00:57:02,200
He drives off.
Just drives off.

963
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,600
Was he dead?
Yeah, he deaf he dies.

964
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:08,200
Oh okay Fred's neighbor.
Joan stick narrow.

965
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:09,700
Writes down.
The license plate number and

966
00:57:09,700 --> 00:57:12,200
calls the police nice.
There you go.

967
00:57:12,300 --> 00:57:14,800
He's pulled over and arrested
that day.

968
00:57:16,300 --> 00:57:18,200
He's silent.
He doesn't resist.

969
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,700
But things do get bizarre once
he's in custody during the

970
00:57:22,700 --> 00:57:26,500
police investigation like
interrogation, he only answers

971
00:57:26,500 --> 00:57:32,800
the police by yelling silence.
And he keeps insisting, like, he

972
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:36,900
stopped a disaster.
It didn't help that just after

973
00:57:36,900 --> 00:57:40,400
he was arrested, eight days
later, Southern California was

974
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,900
hit by a five point, eight
magnitude earthquake and point

975
00:57:43,900 --> 00:57:47,200
mag you that cost the area over
a million dollars in Damages.

976
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,400
Sir, what does that answer?
Did you stop?

977
00:57:50,300 --> 00:57:52,900
Well, he's saying, had you not
stopped me?

978
00:57:53,500 --> 00:57:55,700
This wouldn't have happened.
My man.

979
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,900
How many people did you already?
Kill your a sacrifice eat enough

980
00:57:58,900 --> 00:58:00,400
for the Gods.
Okay.

981
00:58:04,700 --> 00:58:08,000
Eventually he opens up his the
police about the voices that his

982
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,900
father's voice originally
ordered him to kill how he

983
00:58:10,900 --> 00:58:14,200
gained telepathic permission to
murder the for teenage boys

984
00:58:15,100 --> 00:58:17,800
while in jail.
He constantly Rants and Raves

985
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,400
and writes down bizarre
theories.

986
00:58:19,900 --> 00:58:24,600
Side note, at one point, he was
in jail with Ed Kemper and

987
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,700
temper said that.
He used to, just start singing

988
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:33,200
and one tonight.
He threw water on Herbert and

989
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,100
her route.
Stop singing, he And then I gave

990
00:58:35,100 --> 00:58:38,000
him peanuts and he said, Herbert
really liked peanuts.

991
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:42,400
Oh my God, boy.
It's so then he goes after that

992
00:58:42,500 --> 00:58:46,200
he would ask for permission to
sing and then, so at, Edward

993
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,700
camper goes and that's
psychological conditioning.

994
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,100
Oh my God.
He's not wrong.

995
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:55,000
But also whoa.
Oh my God.

996
00:58:58,700 --> 00:59:01,600
The day after they pick up
Herbert, they searched his

997
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,900
apartment.
They find a Bible and address

998
00:59:03,900 --> 00:59:07,000
book.
With Jian dnr's, address listed

999
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,600
newspaper articles about some of
his other murders and a Rosary

1000
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,800
pouch that had belonged to
Father Henry he took a little

1001
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,500
trophy.
They also find the following

1002
00:59:15,500 --> 00:59:18,500
note, let it be known to the
nations of Earth and the people

1003
00:59:18,500 --> 00:59:21,500
that inhabit it this document
carries more power than any

1004
00:59:21,500 --> 00:59:25,400
other written before such a
tragedy that as what has

1005
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:26,900
happened, should not have
happened.

1006
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,300
And because of this action,
which I take of my own free

1007
00:59:29,300 --> 00:59:32,000
will, I am making it possible to
occur again.

1008
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,400
For while I can be here, I must
guide and Hacked by Dynasty.

1009
00:59:36,300 --> 00:59:38,500
And if that doesn't make sense
to you, I agree.

1010
00:59:38,500 --> 00:59:40,000
It didn't make sense to me
either.

1011
00:59:41,500 --> 00:59:44,100
A lot of what Herbert moans
says, doesn't make sense.

1012
00:59:44,300 --> 00:59:48,400
He, they almost didn't believe
that Herbert was acting alone

1013
00:59:48,500 --> 00:59:52,900
because while he was in prison,
they keep finding more bodies.

1014
00:59:53,300 --> 00:59:55,100
Well, yeah, they're all here
were killing.

1015
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,100
Yeah, exactly.
They tried to tie a bunch of the

1016
00:59:58,100 --> 01:00:02,000
unsolved murders to Mullen but
they compared marigot foias.

1017
01:00:02,500 --> 01:00:05,800
Go foils remains to the other
women and determined that

1018
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,900
whoever had decapitated The
Other Women, The Hitchhiker's

1019
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:13,100
had a level of skill.
Will that Herbert did not.

1020
01:00:13,100 --> 01:00:15,000
Hmm.
If we were watching Criminal

1021
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,100
Minds and be like, you know,
they're going, oh, this guy must

1022
01:00:17,100 --> 01:00:19,500
be a surgeon.
Apparently, like whoever that

1023
01:00:19,500 --> 01:00:22,400
person was who decapitated them,
did it like someone who knew

1024
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,800
what they were doing.
Trusting the Mullen murders were

1025
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:30,900
not anatomically precise.
So March 1st 1973, he gets

1026
01:00:30,900 --> 01:00:32,200
charged with 10 counts of
murder.

1027
01:00:33,500 --> 01:00:37,400
They originally don't charge him
with white Gulf oil and two may

1028
01:00:38,500 --> 01:00:43,100
he walks into the court carrying
a stack of legal books and

1029
01:00:43,100 --> 01:00:45,600
attempts to plead guilty to all
of them.

1030
01:00:45,700 --> 01:00:48,700
But the judge is like, no you
can't do that.

1031
01:00:49,700 --> 01:00:52,800
Cuz I don't think you are
legally competent to represent

1032
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:54,500
yourself.
You're definitely not sir.

1033
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,300
They do think he is sane enough
to be tried.

1034
01:00:58,500 --> 01:01:04,600
Mmm, And fun fact, the lawyer
who ends up defending Herbert

1035
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,900
Mullin.
James Jackson also defended

1036
01:01:06,900 --> 01:01:09,700
Edward Kemp and camper and
Frasier.

1037
01:01:09,900 --> 01:01:11,500
Oh, so you got everybody in
jail.

1038
01:01:11,500 --> 01:01:14,500
He was just doing all of I have
a right on Mike, you got them

1039
01:01:14,500 --> 01:01:15,300
all.
Put in prison.

1040
01:01:15,300 --> 01:01:17,200
Was this one purpose?
Yes, good job guys.

1041
01:01:17,300 --> 01:01:19,800
Good job.
Along with giving him Council,

1042
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,000
although Herbert refused it
multiple times.

1043
01:01:22,500 --> 01:01:26,200
They also got him evaluated by
multiple doctors and everyone

1044
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,300
agrees.
He's definitely a paranoid

1045
01:01:28,300 --> 01:01:32,600
schizophrenic and that he'd
killed At least 10 people so

1046
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:37,000
they set the trial for July 1973
and it starts on July 30th.

1047
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:42,900
This trial was less about the
murder like that, he committed

1048
01:01:42,900 --> 01:01:46,400
murdered and more about if he
was sane enough to be held

1049
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,300
responsible for his crimes.
Hmm.

1050
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:55,800
The prosecution was hinging
their side on the fact that he'd

1051
01:01:55,800 --> 01:02:00,000
hidden, the crime, covered his
tracks and they consider those

1052
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,500
to be signs of premeditation the
defense pulled out.

1053
01:02:03,500 --> 01:02:06,000
His extensive lasted list of
visits to mental, health

1054
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,200
clinics, and diagnosis.
His lawyer.

1055
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,000
Read some of her Birds more
bizarre.

1056
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,700
Writings, I almost don't even
want to read this.

1057
01:02:13,700 --> 01:02:18,400
It's so weird.
Now you got to read it.

1058
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:23,000
Okay, I believe that my father
has unequal has been unequally

1059
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:26,400
blamed for my failures, but
surely if he had given me the

1060
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,700
six-year-old homosexual, blowjob
oral stimulation that I was

1061
01:02:29,700 --> 01:02:33,900
entitled to, like most other
people get, I would have never

1062
01:02:33,900 --> 01:02:36,200
taken the LSD without his
permission.

1063
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:46,500
I'm so glad I didn't have a dad.
No, Yes, that was one of his

1064
01:02:46,500 --> 01:02:51,400
more bizarre theories that his
family conspired to hide

1065
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,500
bisexuality from him, and that
he should have been able to

1066
01:02:54,500 --> 01:03:00,200
experience orgasms courtesy of
his family at the age of six.

1067
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,200
That's okay.
Hmm.

1068
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:03,400
No, thank you.
Yep.

1069
01:03:03,700 --> 01:03:07,800
Now, Herbert even took the stand
in his trial to explain himself

1070
01:03:08,100 --> 01:03:09,700
and that ended up being a bad
idea.

1071
01:03:09,700 --> 01:03:13,200
But at first it seemed like
maybe the defense Had something

1072
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,600
going here.
He brought a pile of his own

1073
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:17,900
notes to the witness box, he
rocked back and forth.

1074
01:03:17,900 --> 01:03:21,000
He blamed his friends, his
family his teachers because they

1075
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:24,500
all wanted him to stop becoming
too powerful in the afterlife.

1076
01:03:24,500 --> 01:03:27,600
Once he would be reincarnated,
he told them that because

1077
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,400
Einstein had done his birthday
but he was the designated leader

1078
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,600
of his generation and that his
birthday gave him a dominant

1079
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:36,700
position in reincarnation direct
quote here.

1080
01:03:38,900 --> 01:03:41,800
This is a one-man consenting to
be murdered protects the

1081
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,200
millions of other Human beings
living in the cataclysmic,

1082
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:48,000
earthquake title area.
For this reason, the designated

1083
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:51,500
hero and Associates have the
responsibility of getting enough

1084
01:03:51,500 --> 01:03:54,400
people to commit suicide, and,
or consent to being murdered

1085
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,500
every day.
So it's not just that he was

1086
01:03:57,500 --> 01:04:00,200
demanding a sacrifice.
This needs to be a consistent

1087
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:04,600
sacrifice every day.
Yes, which he didn't do, but

1088
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:09,000
that's beside the point.
Herbert told them, he didn't

1089
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,100
think much of his victims just
that he'd been reacting, he

1090
01:04:12,100 --> 01:04:15,000
blamed his father, and then he
asked for his father to be

1091
01:04:15,008 --> 01:04:17,100
removed from the court.
So he wouldn't have to look at

1092
01:04:17,107 --> 01:04:18,100
him.
Oh, wow.

1093
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:23,000
The judge was, like, you can't
actually request that but

1094
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,800
ultimately, his dad did leave
because he was probably having a

1095
01:04:25,808 --> 01:04:27,500
terrible time.
Yeah, I would.

1096
01:04:28,100 --> 01:04:31,600
Yeah, I believe to he also
blamed the Santa Cruz Police for

1097
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:33,900
not keeping him in jail.
After he'd been arrested for

1098
01:04:33,900 --> 01:04:37,200
possession saying, I never would
have killed anyone if they Put

1099
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,700
me in jail if they don't punish
you for breaking the law.

1100
01:04:39,700 --> 01:04:42,200
What were they even doing
waiting until I broke a bigger

1101
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:44,500
loss, so they could put me in
prison for the rest of my life

1102
01:04:44,500 --> 01:04:45,700
Rah.
Come on.

1103
01:04:46,900 --> 01:04:48,500
It would seem that.
At this point, he's doing a

1104
01:04:48,508 --> 01:04:52,800
really good job at proving that
he is insane, but then the

1105
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:57,300
prosecution got to cross-examine
him and he admitted on the stand

1106
01:04:57,300 --> 01:05:01,400
that he was capable of ignoring
the commands that he was getting

1107
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:05,700
telepathically from his father
because he had ignored the

1108
01:05:05,700 --> 01:05:08,800
command to kill and destroy.
A of 1972.

1109
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:12,100
That was a time period that I
told you that there was a gap in

1110
01:05:12,100 --> 01:05:15,300
the murders, that's the longest
Gap in all of his crimes.

1111
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:19,800
He said, he'd heard his father,
tell him to kill his uncle Enos,

1112
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,700
and he had asked the voice for a
different victim.

1113
01:05:24,300 --> 01:05:27,500
So, the prosecution was like,
well, you say, you're afraid of

1114
01:05:27,500 --> 01:05:30,000
these voices, but you were able
to barter with them.

1115
01:05:30,300 --> 01:05:33,200
Mhm, exactly.
Even said on the stand, I just

1116
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,600
didn't want to kill anymore.
I didn't think it was right.

1117
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,700
That sentence I think was the
real Clincher for the

1118
01:05:39,700 --> 01:05:42,700
prosecution because he had just
admitted on the stand that he

1119
01:05:42,700 --> 01:05:45,800
knew right from wrong.
Yep, he was not a robot.

1120
01:05:46,300 --> 01:05:48,900
Sure his father's thumb as he'd
been claiming.

1121
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:54,400
He also told the court.
He'd murdered Joan Giancarlo

1122
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:58,200
because she was a witness and I
didn't want to be punished. -

1123
01:05:58,300 --> 01:05:59,900
that was the wife who was in the
bathtub.

1124
01:05:59,900 --> 01:06:01,700
Yeah, she wasn't even doing
nothing.

1125
01:06:01,700 --> 01:06:04,300
She'd my that even heard nothing
could have had to water on.

1126
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,900
I don't even know.
So then the court-appointed

1127
01:06:06,900 --> 01:06:13,600
psychiatrists started talking
and I'll none of them believed

1128
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:16,900
any of the stuff that Herbert
Mullin was saying, was his Hmm.

1129
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:19,800
So he was like, I think the
earthquake theory is something

1130
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:22,600
that Herbert came up with later.
After he'd already started

1131
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:26,100
killing his motivation for
killing Janeiro was because he

1132
01:06:26,100 --> 01:06:28,500
blamed Genera forgetting him
into drugs.

1133
01:06:28,500 --> 01:06:31,000
Yep, and Joan Kathy.
Damon and David were just

1134
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,600
Witnesses.
He killed the campers because he

1135
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:36,900
thought they were hippies and he
developed a hatred of hippies

1136
01:06:37,300 --> 01:06:40,100
after he had abused drugs.
So much.

1137
01:06:40,100 --> 01:06:44,600
So he was saying, hippies do
drugs, so it's their fault now.

1138
01:06:46,700 --> 01:06:49,900
Okay, another psychiatrist of
who evaded.

1139
01:06:49,900 --> 01:06:53,200
Him said that he blamed drugs
for ruining his life and that's

1140
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:56,900
why he took revenge on James in
a weird kind of split though, A

1141
01:06:56,900 --> 01:06:59,600
Man by the name of dr.
Charles Morris testified, he

1142
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:04,000
believed that Herbert was insane
when he had killed the random

1143
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:12,500
people when he just picked up
the woman and the man and that

1144
01:07:12,500 --> 01:07:16,800
he is just displaying
rationalizations about his other

1145
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:20,600
murders.
Like he had stopped taking drugs

1146
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,800
to join the Marines and when he
didn't get in, he killed out of

1147
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:26,800
anger dr.
Morris also testified that

1148
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:30,000
Herbert had killed the last man,
he felt like, in order for him

1149
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,800
to just get caught because he
was getting tired.

1150
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,800
The doctor also, explore did say
that he could have been high

1151
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:38,300
while committing some of these
murders.

1152
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,600
But that he thought that the
telepathic permission thing.

1153
01:07:41,900 --> 01:07:45,300
Also, just a rationalization
Herbert had created in his mind

1154
01:07:45,300 --> 01:07:48,400
as an afterthought.
And he wasn't surprised by

1155
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:53,400
Mullins, Cosmic sacrifice
Theory, or excuse, as he called

1156
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:57,200
it, because he's an individual
with a high mental capacity and

1157
01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:00,500
an interest in the occult
psychology and philosophy.

1158
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,100
It was plain to see from
everyone and Herbert was

1159
01:08:04,100 --> 01:08:06,000
severely, mentally ill, mentally
ill.

1160
01:08:07,100 --> 01:08:09,500
But the thing is to be declared
legally insane.

1161
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:12,100
The defense has to prove that
the defendant did not no, what

1162
01:08:12,100 --> 01:08:14,400
was right or wrong at the time
of the killings.

1163
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,700
And that he had a diminished
capacity, which is that he

1164
01:08:17,700 --> 01:08:21,000
didn't understand the meaning of
his actions while he was doing

1165
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:24,700
them.
The jury were informed by the

1166
01:08:24,700 --> 01:08:28,399
defense that motive didn't mean
a lot in this case because

1167
01:08:28,399 --> 01:08:32,500
motives are ambiguous, which is
talked about a way to fit it,

1168
01:08:32,500 --> 01:08:34,000
like a lawyer.
Oh my God.

1169
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:37,000
However, the prosecution
responded to that in their

1170
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:40,300
closing statement and said, just
because two plus two equals

1171
01:08:40,300 --> 01:08:42,700
seven in his mind.
That mean that mr.

1172
01:08:42,700 --> 01:08:45,100
Mullin is not responsible for
his actions.

1173
01:08:45,700 --> 01:08:47,899
The defense asked the jury to
consider the fact that Mullen

1174
01:08:47,899 --> 01:08:51,000
kills people because he has to,
but he doesn't know why.

1175
01:08:51,500 --> 01:08:53,899
I suggest that a person who
killed 13 people and doesn't

1176
01:08:53,899 --> 01:08:56,899
know why is mad the prosecution
said.

1177
01:08:56,899 --> 01:08:59,300
There's no question.
He's mentally ill, seriously,

1178
01:08:59,300 --> 01:09:02,000
mentally ill, but that doesn't
mean he's legally insane.

1179
01:09:02,100 --> 01:09:05,200
He hid the crimes and even
ground off the serial numbers on

1180
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,500
his gun.
Oh yeah, he knew it is doing.

1181
01:09:07,500 --> 01:09:11,500
Okay, a jury of six men and Six
Women delivery it for 14 hours.

1182
01:09:11,899 --> 01:09:16,300
And found Mullen sane and guilty
August 19th 1973.

1183
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:20,500
He received a first degree
murder charge for Kathy Francis

1184
01:09:20,500 --> 01:09:23,000
and James G and era.
The rest were considered

1185
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:27,200
impulsive kills and it was
second-degree murder leader on.

1186
01:09:28,100 --> 01:09:37,899
They did a separate case for dr.
Not doctor father Henry tonight

1187
01:09:37,899 --> 01:09:43,300
to me and at that point Herbert
just Like I'm just added onto

1188
01:09:43,300 --> 01:09:48,000
the pile of other things that
this K Mullins defense.

1189
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:52,300
Attorney actually was quoted.
As saying, like the jury is just

1190
01:09:52,300 --> 01:09:55,200
as insane as melon is, they were
afraid.

1191
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:58,300
He'd get out and kill somebody,
which is not an illogical

1192
01:09:58,300 --> 01:10:01,600
consideration.
They didn't want his 14th victim

1193
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:04,100
to be one of them and I'm like,
buddy.

1194
01:10:05,300 --> 01:10:09,700
Yes, yeah, exactly.
He should have been kept in one

1195
01:10:09,700 --> 01:10:11,600
of the facilities that he was
put.

1196
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:16,600
In several times before, please
please, thank you, the

1197
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:20,400
prosecution, however, was kind
of disappointed that they only

1198
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:24,100
got two counts of first-degree
murder Herbert himself,

1199
01:10:24,100 --> 01:10:27,100
actually, just kind of shrugged
off the verdict, he was

1200
01:10:27,100 --> 01:10:30,600
sentenced to life in prison with
the possibility of Parole in

1201
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:34,800
2000 and 2500.
He will be in his 80s.

1202
01:10:35,500 --> 01:10:40,700
He probably, he has petitioned
the court multiple times to be

1203
01:10:40,700 --> 01:10:45,300
released and been denied so far.
So I honestly don't think it'll

1204
01:10:45,300 --> 01:10:47,400
be a good look for him to get
paroled.

1205
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:49,900
I don't think he's gonna get
paroled in four years, I don't

1206
01:10:49,900 --> 01:10:53,200
think so.
Either you just in case I mean

1207
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:56,300
he will be 80.
He can't do too much damage.

1208
01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:00,500
It sounds like from some of the
things and I wish I could just

1209
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:05,900
There are so many quotes from
interviews from him where he

1210
01:11:05,900 --> 01:11:08,600
just says things that make no
sense.

1211
01:11:09,100 --> 01:11:14,200
Again, I just is very clear that
he was completely gone.

1212
01:11:15,900 --> 01:11:19,800
And for my sources, which I
always like to mention one of

1213
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,700
those is called deadly voices.
The true story of serial killer

1214
01:11:22,700 --> 01:11:29,700
Herbert Mullin by clell,
Swinney, The die song, which is

1215
01:11:29,700 --> 01:11:35,600
by Lund Donald London Jefferson
Morgan that was in 1980 and

1216
01:11:35,700 --> 01:11:38,900
murder and Madness.
Also by Donald Monde.

1217
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:42,200
And that was it a book for 1975?
Both of those last two ones are

1218
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:43,700
out of print.
But do you have interesting

1219
01:11:43,700 --> 01:11:46,300
details?
The die song is a whole other

1220
01:11:46,300 --> 01:11:49,200
thing that I don't even discuss,
which is just a song, he used to

1221
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:52,200
sing in prison on people that
they were going to die.

1222
01:11:52,500 --> 01:11:56,400
Oh, that sounds wonderful.
It's like I said, he just had a

1223
01:11:56,700 --> 01:11:57,700
real.
A rough time.

1224
01:11:57,700 --> 01:12:01,100
It's just what the situations of
like, I don't entirely disagree

1225
01:12:01,100 --> 01:12:04,200
with him saying like hey if you
would lock me up before I

1226
01:12:04,208 --> 01:12:06,900
started killing people, none of
this would have happened because

1227
01:12:06,900 --> 01:12:10,700
really he brought he should not
have been out on his own for as

1228
01:12:10,700 --> 01:12:15,100
long as he was, you could have
thing about this is that all of

1229
01:12:15,100 --> 01:12:18,500
this happened between the time.
He was 18 and 26.

1230
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:22,100
Yeah, that's a short less than a
decade.

1231
01:12:22,500 --> 01:12:27,300
Completely changed his life.
Not to say, um, can't you just

1232
01:12:27,300 --> 01:12:30,500
say I want to stay in your
Institute?

1233
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:34,400
Well, remember the first one.
They said that he didn't seem to

1234
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:36,000
be really cooperating with
treatment.

1235
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:37,800
That's another facet of this.
Okay.

1236
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:38,900
True.
You Gotta Be You gotta be

1237
01:12:38,900 --> 01:12:42,500
willing to write.
You have to really be willing to

1238
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:47,200
do the work to experience any
benefit from it.

1239
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:50,000
Okay.
Well yeah.

1240
01:13:03,900 --> 01:13:05,700
So what do you have to tell us
about today?

1241
01:13:06,300 --> 01:13:12,800
All right, so this week I had to
do a dive deep down into my

1242
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:16,000
collection of paranormal info,
nice, yes.

1243
01:13:17,300 --> 01:13:22,700
So, since the month of March is
over by the time, this episode

1244
01:13:22,700 --> 01:13:29,700
will be out.
I've moved on to April And since

1245
01:13:29,700 --> 01:13:32,800
April is like the month of my
birthday, I just figured hey I'm

1246
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,800
going to do stuff, I want to do
stuff.

1247
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:41,600
I really, really, really like
and that's what I'm going to do.

1248
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:45,200
So I'm just gonna let you guys
know absolutely.

1249
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:48,400
I do have some, you know, pretty
cool books in my collection.

1250
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:54,500
But anyway, While I was like
searching, I found an old book

1251
01:13:55,000 --> 01:14:03,100
of Greek plays.
And yeah, and like to those that

1252
01:14:03,100 --> 01:14:07,900
don't search those who know me.
I love Greek mythology.

1253
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:12,100
And those who don't know me, I
really love Greek mythology.

1254
01:14:13,700 --> 01:14:15,500
Oh goodness.
All right.

1255
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,900
So there was a play that I
hadn't read before, it's really

1256
01:14:19,900 --> 01:14:24,100
weird.
So so this is a story that I'll

1257
01:14:24,100 --> 01:14:29,300
be covering today is a like
don't worry it has ghosts in it.

1258
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:35,200
Okay and some demons as well.
So just sit back, relax and

1259
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:38,800
enjoy because it's about to go
down.

1260
01:14:38,900 --> 01:14:47,700
Okay?
All right. so, the stories about

1261
01:14:48,700 --> 01:14:55,400
three, unknown philosophers /
Alchemist, and an average, Joe

1262
01:14:56,500 --> 01:15:00,800
They all work together.
So they go on a journey which

1263
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:05,600
actually may be one of the
world's first ghost hunts.

1264
01:15:06,300 --> 01:15:11,200
Do they have cool Greek names?
I said, unknown, I'd make up

1265
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:13,700
names.
I did it for you, boo.

1266
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,800
Okay, okay yeah, I like this
first go start.

1267
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:21,400
Yes.
So this play begins, one of the

1268
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:25,800
Philosopher's will call him.
I think I can even was his name

1269
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:34,600
Bank, as he's testing two of the
students on the principles of of

1270
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:38,400
what he teaches.
So he's obviously flirting with

1271
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:39,900
his feet.
Male student.

1272
01:15:39,900 --> 01:15:43,900
Well, he's picking on his male
student when his partner.

1273
01:15:45,500 --> 01:15:49,800
My name is dance.
He runs in and tells him that,

1274
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:53,000
you know, his other partner.
His name is Ram 'less.

1275
01:15:54,100 --> 01:15:57,400
I try, I try to make that
worried because I could, I'd

1276
01:15:57,400 --> 01:15:59,400
Romulus and Remus.
Yes.

1277
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:05,000
Um, so they received word of an
apparition appearing at look

1278
01:16:05,300 --> 01:16:10,900
like a nearby library.
So, so he rushed her because

1279
01:16:11,100 --> 01:16:16,700
they may be philosophers, but
they're also into Researching

1280
01:16:16,700 --> 01:16:23,700
the unknown is this.
I mean, the Ghostbusters, first

1281
01:16:23,700 --> 01:16:27,100
man, goes to the library to.
Is that what it is?

1282
01:16:27,300 --> 01:16:34,200
You said I was Library.
No, anyway, But you know, they

1283
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:37,600
never seen a ghost.
So they rush over there to see

1284
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:42,300
just goes and they actually find
it because you know, it's by one

1285
01:16:42,300 --> 01:16:44,800
of the bookshelves is like
reading and they're like

1286
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:50,000
astonished because they're like
It's a, you know, it's a

1287
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:53,100
full-body Apparition, very cool.
You can see that.

1288
01:16:56,100 --> 01:16:59,600
And I swear to you, they didn't
know what to do, so they tried

1289
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,000
to fight it but the they got
scared off.

1290
01:17:04,300 --> 01:17:06,200
So after this happened they got
kicked out of their lecture

1291
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:09,300
hall.
They told it because their

1292
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:13,300
interests were in a know.
So they soon decide, you know,

1293
01:17:14,300 --> 01:17:19,000
let's start our own little thing
for ourselves and we're going to

1294
01:17:19,008 --> 01:17:22,700
offer our services to help
people with their paranormal

1295
01:17:22,700 --> 01:17:27,600
problems.
So you mean become Ghostbusters?

1296
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:37,300
What?
What you are?

1297
01:17:37,300 --> 01:17:42,100
Not getting the reference here.
Know what the hell these three

1298
01:17:42,100 --> 01:17:46,800
guys are like, hey, there's a
ghost inside of this Library.

1299
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:48,700
They try and fight it.
They fail.

1300
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:52,800
They get kicked out of their job
at the college.

1301
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,300
What is and then they offer
their services.

1302
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:59,300
Yo is the whole Ghostbusters
movie based off of this is this

1303
01:17:59,300 --> 01:18:01,100
Ghostbusters.
Hey?

1304
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:05,800
So this is where the Alchemy
comes in the craft the

1305
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:10,000
containment you're killing me,
right?

1306
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:12,700
No friggin way.
They cross the containment unit

1307
01:18:12,700 --> 01:18:14,400
of sorts.
The cavity Spirits.

1308
01:18:14,700 --> 01:18:25,100
This kind goddamn it, the
Ghostbusters pretty much stole

1309
01:18:25,300 --> 01:18:28,800
their story from a Greek.
Let me finish my story, please.

1310
01:18:30,700 --> 01:18:33,500
Oh my God.
No, I'm just glad you're not

1311
01:18:33,500 --> 01:18:34,300
getting it.
Okay.

1312
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:41,500
Um, So this is not, you know,
going well for them, so everyone

1313
01:18:41,500 --> 01:18:44,600
calls them frauds, they're just,
you know, they'll laugh in our

1314
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:48,700
faces and like they're out in
the streets are advertising

1315
01:18:48,700 --> 01:18:50,500
ourselves and finally, a guy
comes up to them.

1316
01:18:50,500 --> 01:18:54,200
And he's like, he's desperate.
So he's like, he's like, are you

1317
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:56,300
guys seriously?
Like absolutely.

1318
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:59,600
So yeah, so you can check out
his Great Hall that he's holding

1319
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:04,400
a banquet later at night.
And there's activity happening

1320
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:07,800
there.
So finally, when these guys get

1321
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:14,000
a break it they head over there
with their containment unit the

1322
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:18,000
like they're ready to go to war.
So everyone sees them as highly

1323
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:23,600
confused yeah they say don't
cross the streams so they make

1324
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:27,300
it to the Hawks as you know the
Great Hall in these see they

1325
01:19:27,300 --> 01:19:32,700
will see anything but they can
sense the presence of a spirit.

1326
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:43,200
What is his name is driver?
This is smarter is right.

1327
01:19:44,300 --> 01:19:47,900
So Bank goes wandering around
out the whole way when you feel

1328
01:19:47,900 --> 01:19:52,800
the spirit attack him.
So even leaves like a trail of

1329
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:55,800
like excrement as it
ectoplasmic.

1330
01:19:55,800 --> 01:20:01,400
I said excrement as it leaves,
it smells horrible, the stamps

1331
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:05,100
and ramble is meet up in there
like so excited.

1332
01:20:05,100 --> 01:20:10,600
So They're finally able to
court.

1333
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:12,800
God damn it.
Brittany.

1334
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:17,200
I'm not even doing anything.
No, you're not.

1335
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:22,300
So you're finally able to Corner
the spirit and in the dining

1336
01:20:22,300 --> 01:20:27,700
hall and They throw thoroughly.
Destroy it.

1337
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:32,900
Well, we'll try to get the Costa
Rica team until they finally get

1338
01:20:32,900 --> 01:20:35,000
it in.
And let me tell you, they are

1339
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:39,700
flying high right now.
The word spreads and more people

1340
01:20:39,700 --> 01:20:43,400
start to come to them and even
have to hire more help for the

1341
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:54,500
help.
Well, thereby, there's a woman

1342
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:57,200
that's experiencing some
paranormal activity at home,

1343
01:20:57,400 --> 01:21:00,100
like, think of parent that like,
the movie role activity.

1344
01:21:00,100 --> 01:21:01,800
With all the crazy stuff is
happening.

1345
01:21:02,300 --> 01:21:10,400
Very demonic.
So, so, So she gets these the

1346
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:16,500
three to check out you know and
they find nothing but they keep

1347
01:21:16,500 --> 01:21:20,400
in the back of their heads you
know because it seems like it

1348
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:25,800
may lead to something.
Meanwhile, business is moving

1349
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:28,300
and remember the average Joe I
mentioned before.

1350
01:21:28,700 --> 01:21:32,900
Yeah, he gets hired, you know,
next to nothing about what's

1351
01:21:32,900 --> 01:21:38,700
going on, but they needed help
and he needed work so and and

1352
01:21:38,700 --> 01:21:44,800
he's a very devout person.
So that kind of works out now

1353
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:50,500
back to this woman.
Well, call her Ripley one day.

1354
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:55,400
And her home.
She gets attacked by the Demonic

1355
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:59,000
presence and she ends up being
possessed by it.

1356
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:03,400
At the same time, her neighbors
possesses well, he didn't have

1357
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:06,100
any Paranormal Activity
happening, it just popped up one

1358
01:22:06,100 --> 01:22:14,800
day and it hit him with a pal.
so, Now her neighbor goes out,

1359
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:18,000
running around like a person
possessed think it's picked up,

1360
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:23,800
and of course, mmm, picked up a
course and instead of like

1361
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:26,800
taking him to like prison or
whatever, I guess two stocks are

1362
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:33,600
gel recall that they take up to
these guys Banks and his

1363
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:37,800
buddies.
And, you know, they quickly

1364
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:40,200
realized.
Oh, yeah, this dude is possessed

1365
01:22:40,900 --> 01:22:44,300
by a spirit.
Could it be soul?

1366
01:22:45,700 --> 01:22:49,200
No Zoo does not possess him the
GateKeeper.

1367
01:22:53,400 --> 01:23:05,000
Gozer.
Oh my fucking god. so, His house

1368
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:07,700
is right next to Ripley.
So they're like, okay, this is

1369
01:23:07,700 --> 01:23:10,000
kind of weird, like a unique
name for her.

1370
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:12,100
I know, right?
Amazing.

1371
01:23:12,100 --> 01:23:19,500
I just feel popped in my head.
Oh, pig heads over there anyway

1372
01:23:19,500 --> 01:23:21,600
because he's like, he's trying
to court Ripley.

1373
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:25,100
So he's like me, he's going,
he's going to be her that night

1374
01:23:25,100 --> 01:23:28,500
anyway.
So She tries to assault him as

1375
01:23:28,500 --> 01:23:31,700
soon as he walks in because she
has this horny demon inside of

1376
01:23:31,700 --> 01:23:35,500
her.
Thanks for thanks Bank.

1377
01:23:35,500 --> 01:23:38,800
Gets her under control by giving
her drink and to put her to

1378
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:46,100
sleep for a bit.
Now during all this there's a

1379
01:23:46,100 --> 01:23:48,700
skeptic trying to trying to
disprove.

1380
01:23:48,700 --> 01:23:54,300
These guys will call him pecker
because he's a pecker.

1381
01:23:58,700 --> 01:24:03,100
So he eventually finds out that
they're keeping these Spirits

1382
01:24:04,900 --> 01:24:09,900
deep in their home.
So he gets this mob together to

1383
01:24:10,100 --> 01:24:12,500
prove that they're frauds
because, you know, he's a hater

1384
01:24:12,500 --> 01:24:18,200
like that they destroy the
containment for the spirits in

1385
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:23,300
there, all released Banks and
everybody get drunk thrown in

1386
01:24:23,300 --> 01:24:29,100
jail because when I get payment
was breached or destroyed, Is it

1387
01:24:29,700 --> 01:24:35,100
kind of like blew up, so they're
accused of Witchcraft later on?

1388
01:24:35,100 --> 01:24:42,300
They later on, they they were
found innocent by the king and

1389
01:24:43,700 --> 01:24:46,600
Since he needed their help to
get the spirits under control.

1390
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:49,200
He's like, okay, you guys go
handle this shit real quick.

1391
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:54,900
Little, do they know?
That the two demons that were

1392
01:24:54,900 --> 01:24:57,700
possessing Ripley, and her
neighbor working together to

1393
01:24:57,700 --> 01:25:02,600
summon their Master to Earth.
They finally meet back up and

1394
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:05,900
start the ritual to summon your
master shut.

1395
01:25:08,500 --> 01:25:10,000
Let me just finish it real
quick.

1396
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:18,700
Bacon, bacon the crew the show
up in time to see the master has

1397
01:25:18,700 --> 01:25:22,000
been summoned.
Now, the stealing is one that

1398
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:26,100
takes on the form of whatever so
don't think so and destroys them

1399
01:25:26,100 --> 01:25:29,600
with it.
So if you go on with a clear

1400
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:33,700
mind, then you should be okay.
Well let me just tell you that

1401
01:25:33,700 --> 01:25:37,600
stance is a pretty freaking pure
of heart guy.

1402
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:44,800
So he's like well if I think of
something sweet It will hurt me.

1403
01:25:47,300 --> 01:25:56,000
And this is where I had to, I
had to leave my notes alone.

1404
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:58,700
Tell you that.
This is April Fool's joke.

1405
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:04,600
Your commitment to this I
realized what it was.

1406
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:07,600
I known I wasn't.
I was like you know I realized

1407
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:12,200
it was an April Fool's joke at
about when you said the word

1408
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:19,100
containment unit but as like
that beautiful it commitment.

1409
01:26:19,100 --> 01:26:20,400
There was a lot of commitment
there.

1410
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:22,200
Brian.
I was trying my hardest not to

1411
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:25,200
fucking laugh and you remember
trying to make you laugh.

1412
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:28,900
Yeah, I know you like and you
got it like right off the

1413
01:26:28,907 --> 01:26:30,900
fucking bat and I was like
pretty doesn't remember

1414
01:26:30,900 --> 01:26:34,200
Ghostbusters all like that.
She's not like me the

1415
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:45,900
Ghostbusters
anyway.

1416
01:27:03,100 --> 01:27:06,000
Not just any worse, was a
marshmallow mascot from his

1417
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:08,200
childhood.
It appears as a 100-foot,

1418
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:13,000
marshmallow that quickly makes
its way towards them for, like,

1419
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:17,600
a couple of minutes.
I really was like, wait, did did

1420
01:27:18,300 --> 01:27:20,800
is this where the original
concept came from?

1421
01:27:21,100 --> 01:27:27,800
But like this was wow, yeah.
Eventually they are able to

1422
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:34,200
dispose of said, giant
marshmallow mascot, Which was

1423
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:37,900
the form of the demon and they
sent it back to those.

1424
01:27:37,900 --> 01:27:45,400
ER, this is Hell later on.
As everybody is rejoicing that

1425
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:51,400
of the destruction of the
marshmallow, they're chanting a

1426
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:54,700
sort of song.
Oh yeah, for these for these

1427
01:27:54,700 --> 01:27:58,900
Heroes now I can't actually say
that song because there's a

1428
01:27:59,700 --> 01:28:04,400
copyright.
Oh, but It goes, damn it.

1429
01:28:04,500 --> 01:28:12,100
Damn it, did it.
There's something strange,

1430
01:28:12,100 --> 01:28:15,500
there's something strange in the
neighborhood, your neighborhood.

1431
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:19,600
Who you gonna call these guys?
Haha.

1432
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:25,500
Yes, it was April Fool's joke
because it's comes out April

1433
01:28:25,500 --> 01:28:27,900
1st.
So that was good.

1434
01:28:27,900 --> 01:28:31,000
That was good.
I was I so took today,

1435
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:34,000
seriously.
Yeah, I know and I was like,

1436
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:35,900
well, I thought about this like
two weeks ago, I was like what

1437
01:28:35,900 --> 01:28:40,200
is what can I do?
Like because I'm ending the

1438
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:44,200
women's history month.
And I was like oh well by the

1439
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:47,300
time this episode comes out,
April Fool's Day.

1440
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:50,500
There you go.
I'm gonna do something funny.

1441
01:28:52,100 --> 01:28:55,200
Well, it was funny.
I cackles.

1442
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:57,100
Oh my God.
Many many times.

1443
01:28:57,400 --> 01:28:59,000
I'm glad you got a kick out of
it.

1444
01:28:59,700 --> 01:29:02,300
Oh, I was like, how can I write
this?

1445
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:05,200
So that she couldn't problems
possibly get it right off the

1446
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:07,700
bat.
And I was like, I didn't do a

1447
01:29:07,708 --> 01:29:12,700
good job at oh, man.
But yeah.

1448
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:17,000
That was like, that was a Fool's
joke about Ghostbusters.

1449
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:26,800
And paranormal stuff always fun.
It's always going to be short.

1450
01:29:26,900 --> 01:29:28,000
That's a true.
That's true.

1451
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:31,900
You did tell me that that's
because you decided to make a

1452
01:29:31,900 --> 01:29:37,100
joke.
That it's all good.

1453
01:29:37,300 --> 01:29:41,900
Hey, if you heard this episode
and you listen to this far and

1454
01:29:41,900 --> 01:29:44,900
you didn't enjoy it, I don't
know what to tell you.

1455
01:29:44,900 --> 01:29:48,200
Okay, I tried my banila.
If you listen this far and you

1456
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:50,600
didn't enjoy it.
I feel like you should write

1457
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:55,400
Brian and email the caught
podcast at gmail.com.

1458
01:29:55,900 --> 01:29:57,500
Oh yeah.
What should I email you talking

1459
01:29:57,500 --> 01:29:58,800
about?
I don't know.

1460
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:02,600
Tell him what you liked and
didn't like you should have you

1461
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:04,400
should have you.
Has more Greek mythology.

1462
01:30:04,500 --> 01:30:06,100
True.
I was really excited for a

1463
01:30:06,100 --> 01:30:09,200
second.
That's why I was like realize

1464
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:11,100
like wait, we're going to talk
about with ology.

1465
01:30:11,100 --> 01:30:14,700
Okay, I'm here for it.
I can talk about some Greek

1466
01:30:14,700 --> 01:30:16,600
mythology.
If you're really want me to like

1467
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:19,700
this is an unknown story, I was
like Ah, that's exciting.

1468
01:30:21,100 --> 01:30:26,100
And I was like a library and you
only talked about getting gas

1469
01:30:26,100 --> 01:30:31,400
late hella hard over here.
The beginning Ghostbusters.

1470
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:33,500
Well, I was probably I was going
to I was trying to say

1471
01:30:33,500 --> 01:30:35,200
Ghostbusters.
What the hell is that?

1472
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:39,800
You know, there's no way you
could ever look me straight in

1473
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:43,100
the face and say, Ghostbusters.
What is that?

1474
01:30:43,100 --> 01:30:45,100
Oh my God.
You know, I was finishing up my

1475
01:30:45,100 --> 01:30:48,300
notes today and I had to watch
real semesters to either watch

1476
01:30:48,300 --> 01:30:49,900
the second one.
No, the first one.

1477
01:30:50,100 --> 01:30:51,700
Oh, okay.
Well, that's always a good time.

1478
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:55,000
Yeah.
Oh, there's another story about

1479
01:30:55,000 --> 01:31:00,900
these guys and they do have to
battle evil painting.

1480
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:04,000
Yes, yes.
We're that nasty pink.

1481
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:07,700
Sludge comes out of the painting
and like the they have to

1482
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:15,900
animate the statue of Athena to
have her marched in the streets

1483
01:31:16,500 --> 01:31:25,000
of Athens and get This can this
joke cannot work twice in a row.

1484
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:28,000
My God plus it's going to be
another four years before April

1485
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:30,600
1st will be on the day that we
release the podcast.

1486
01:31:30,900 --> 01:31:33,900
So you got a while.
Oh, I can believe me.

1487
01:31:33,900 --> 01:31:37,300
I will surprise you.
All right, don't don't look at

1488
01:31:37,300 --> 01:31:42,300
the calender next year because
Prize gonna do something silly.

1489
01:31:42,300 --> 01:31:44,700
I got I got a feeling in my
bones.

1490
01:31:46,900 --> 01:31:55,000
Well anyway, it was a pleasure.
Yes, always, it was very fun and

1491
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:58,700
we will see you all next week.
Yes please.

1492
01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:06,000
Please subscribe to us on
Spotify and on a podcast and

1493
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:10,100
we're now on Pandora finally.
So I guess you can consider

1494
01:32:10,100 --> 01:32:12,800
subscribing As well follow us on
Pandora or whatever.

1495
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:14,200
I don't even know what you can
do, either.

1496
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:17,600
Why leave reviews on anywhere
you can?

1497
01:32:17,700 --> 01:32:20,600
Yes, anywhere.
You can like Brittany said,

1498
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:23,300
early and leave us an email at
cult.

1499
01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:27,900
The cult hike has at gmail.com,
got almost forgot it.

1500
01:32:29,700 --> 01:32:34,300
You can also leave us voicemails
at anchor and that link is in

1501
01:32:34,300 --> 01:32:36,000
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I don't really know.

1502
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:40,600
It's oh, no worries.
It's anger dot f, m /.

1503
01:32:40,700 --> 01:32:45,000
When Keller's got caught and you
can also find Brilliant.

1504
01:32:45,100 --> 01:32:50,800
On Tick-Tock cup.
Always, it caught podcast every

1505
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:53,100
day.
Yes, and you can find me on

1506
01:32:53,100 --> 01:32:56,600
Twitch.
When I stream foxy trainer foxy

1507
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:59,700
trainer which I found, I
actually can't change that.

1508
01:32:59,900 --> 01:33:02,400
Okay, I'm pretty, I'm not going
to change it.

1509
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:04,800
I just could make it some
spooky.

1510
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:08,200
Yeah, I guess so.
But yeah, you catch me every

1511
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:10,900
Sunday except for last night
because I didn't, Feel like

1512
01:33:10,900 --> 01:33:12,600
screaming.
So because you felt like playing

1513
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:14,600
Fallout.
I did feel like they fall out.

1514
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:17,000
It was fun.
I love it up so much.

1515
01:33:19,500 --> 01:33:22,600
Anyway, thanks for listening and
I hope you have a good week.

1516
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:23,400
Bye.