Episode 13: Herbert Mullen: How many People Did You Need To Sacrifice?

0:15 Everybody into your killer country. My name is Brittany. Ransom and my name is Brian Joo, winner. And this is when Killers get caught a podcast about do deep. Dives into the lives and psyches of the Killer's. We love to learn about each week. We'll discuss something new and interesting in the serial killer world. We will discuss one well-known or lesser known killer and go deep into their childhood lives methodology, and most importantly how they got caught. And then because most of your killer fans, love a little spooked, Brian will lead us down the road of the Paranormal and to something he found to be particularly creepy. So one thing that we've been trying because updates in the serial killer world are kind of few and far between and we started this on last week's podcast and I kind of want to continue with it.

0:58 Is that Brian? And I are going to Find a story that interested us this week and tell each other about them last week. I think we were just trying to make the other laughs. Maybe I don't know probably but this week's story for me is local to where you and I live and so that's why this one kind of struck me. So in 1977 a woman was found in Delaware. She was spotted by a boy, riding his bicycle in June near New Castle Delaware for years. All police had was a cause of death homicide, a description of her.

1:41 She was about 53 dark blond, and somewhere between 40 and 55 years old, and they really had nothing else until now. So after four decades, they have identified, the remains of this woman. Her name is Mary patri hyzer. She was 50 years old and she was the wife to a retired police officer in Philadelphia, okay? Right. He was part of the Philadelphia, Police Department, Highway Patrol during the 50s and 60s and I guess they were kind of like the what's that basketball? Team that does the cool tricks.

2:25 The Harlem Globetrotters yeah, they were like the Globetrotters but cops and they would do all sorts of like shows and local like are like Theatres and stadiums and stuff. And yeah. Well so Heiser got hurt her husband, William Heiser, senior got hurt. And so he had to retire from being a police officer and he became. What do you think his job was when he retired from police officers. A teacher. It's one of the number 10 killer jobs the truck driver. Yep. He became a truck driver. So so yeah, they and so after his wife was murdered, he relocated to South Daytona Beach and he actually died in 2006 from cancer.

3:21 They don't know entire like they know it was homicide, you know, DNA record. They've been able to do to her but here's the worst part about this. After dad killed her. He told the kids that she had, like, run off with some guy. So these children grew up their whole life thinking that their mom was just this awful woman who abandoned them when really dad killed her and left her in a ditch in Delaware. This terrible. Yeah, she also worked part-time at the Ashbourne Country Club in Cheltenham Pennsylvania, which is also near where I lived. So I was like, gosh, this is like some local horrible stuff that happens. Terrible. It was I just feel so bad. I'm at least they have some kind of closure but poor Ted. Yeah, yeah, they're probably like 40 something. 50 years old now and now they find out that their mom wasn't a horrible person.

4:12 You know, your dad was a horrible guy. And also, if you look like right next to you on the thing, so yeah, the book Is Here. Yeah. So I'm full on TV. So you are. Welcome to read that. Okay? Yeah, tell me about your story. So that's something that was found out over the last couple of weeks. Okay, let me pull it up, pull up. All right, mine is not local. Okay, at all, my next week comes from UK. So, I guess they're still in covid, lock down over there. So a group of ghosts, and Ghost Hunters. Broke their lockdown, okay?

5:01 They're covid rules and they went to go see a haunted house, of course they did. Yeah. Um, I just watched a movie and shattered today about a group of people who could try to do a seance over a zoo call, and I'm like, yes, it's on there. It was a weird and they somehow accidentally, you know, brought about it. Men that we happen. Always happens when people do seances. Oh okay. But yeah like what they just think about that right now like this is what kind of world we're in 2021. People are breaking quarantine to go. Ghost hunting people are doing seances of resume.

5:46 This is weird. It says about says 12 men and women. Okay. We're so it was like three different groups of those Hunters. Oh geez. And It's like the whole TAPS in this one house, okay? I mean yeah it's like so oh but wait that's more than 8 people. Yeah. So, yeah, you're 12 people in the South, I don't know. Well, the rule in the states is like no more than eight people at any Gathering. Yeah, that's why they definitely reached it. I would fall people there. Okay, well, here's a really important question. Hmm, did they find any evidence? No, don't say that. Ah, sorry, you know, all they found was arrested getting arrested other films being taken in, or I think arrested Another the police called him.

6:38 So there was this great one over in the UK or was it France? It was over in Europe. And this guy had like take it out like a stuffed dog because he was so tired of being stuck in the house and the rule was that like at like 4:00 p.m. you had to go inside and he hated it. So he was taking this fake dog on fake walks at like 10:00 at night. Hmm. Oh so people are like okay. I can only imagine if we were in, lockdown lockdown. Down like they are. As long as they work, we probably should have been longer but we've been out for almost a year now. Yeah it says says, there were no permissions granted to anyone to be in a building which was in poor state of repair.

7:20 Also they also broken entering and trespassed. Yeah. And as a result, it was an incredibly dangerous place to be with parts of the building subject to collapse when checking the building, it quickly became clear that a number of people were inside and others. He's outside. Three groups were eventually located. So yeah, it was like what's this? How they got fined. So it's a apparently, it's a haunted house. Let me see. Where's that was it? I was that. I know what's in goodness. Cheshire knows it Cheshire. Yeah and as probably one of them because it stays different places where people are from like so.

8:04 Okay, some of the people who drove from like West Yorkshire and yeah, some girl from Derbyshire. Oh wow. And yeah it's like so they all just drove out here. And I guess they didn't plan on like being there together but they okay. So, three separate groups. Yeah. Of Ghost Hunters all showed up at the same house. At the same time it is is Chester is near Chester. Okay but yeah, here's a picture of the house. It looks like an old on the house, you know, music, there you go. Give me at landscape by those horrible, right? And you can see there's like graffiti on the side of it and everything so as they are want to do. Yeah.

8:48 So I mean, it looks like a looks like it's haunted so well then yeah. Yeah, there it goes. That is kind of funny though in the sense that like three different groups made that decision completely separate from each other. I would love to know what was so important about that house that made them want to do that. I'll probably just bored anyone to say they said, hey, I'm gonna go something today. Yeah. Is that what we do? We just say, hey I'm going to go sun today. Yeah. Like you need to prepare a little bit. I mean it's like um Have you ever heard of random? Random Nautica? Yeah. Okay, it's like that sort of, it's like, you just, you know, you just like, I'm bored. Ran, an article was kind of cool and creepy until those kids found that lady in a okay suitcase. Yeah.

9:31 But then it got a little too real, but yeah, but this was like, you know, during quarantine or, you know, people would go out and like, hey, you know, I got my friend, I want to do it. Yeah. People will go out and they're like, hey, I'm bored, let's go, you know, look for something interesting today. We're Rando Moreno not today. So you know, they're just bored in the house in the house. Bored bored in the house in the house. I think that's a great premise for a movie on shutter, boarding house. No, everybody's like, they're like I'm so bored. I've been in quarantine for like eight months a year and a half who knows how long some people have been quarantined.

10:11 Now this point, like we're going Ago. And then inadvertently, they all end up at this place and they're all locked in this haunted house. Bam. Oh, if only you had just stayed in quarantine like you were supposed to do. No, souls have to work. Excuse me, ma'am. That's because you're a medical person. So you have to work. Yeah, exactly. When Killers get caught is sponsored by the magic class Boutique. Now, why does that name sound so familiar? Well, it's because as a business ran by our very own Britney, that's right.

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12:33 I've discussed hedonistic Killers like Ian, Brady and Myra hindley, I've ask us to power and control killer Ivan Milat. But there are two that I've kind of abandoned the Visionary and the missionary. So I'm going to discuss a Visionary killer today. Probably one of the classic cases for people who are not well, versed on this Visionary. Serial killers are delusional, and they believe that some other power is commanding them to kill and that they are working for a higher purpose, okay? At one of the classic cases would be Herbert Mullin a man. Who believed if he killed, he'd safe. California from a massive earthquake that he was convinced would destroy the state.

13:17 Hey, since you know I mean if you didn't kill people, he's a sacrificing for the ancient volcano. God, well, he believed that other people should be sacrificing. Yeah, he was like a poison. He was sacrificing other people to the ancient volcano guys. Actually saw, they do you mean, well, you'll see how very much has his line of thinking, actually was very much like that. Okay? So Herbert Mullin was born, April, 4th 1947 and Salinas California, This is coincidentally, the anniversary of the San Francisco Earthquake of 1906, that massive one that destroyed San Francisco. Something that he was well aware of and thought was divine prominence.

14:04 He was born to two Catholic, parents Gene, and Bill, Mullen and his own father described, their home as oppressively. Religious mainly due, to her birth mother who was a devout Catholic, he had one older sister named Patricia and his father was a World War 2, vet and was described his Stern, but not abusive. However, he did show Herbert all of his Idols and taught how to use a gun at a young age in. 1952 the family moved to a small farming town of San Francisco. And then when he was 16 Herbert's family moved again to Santa Cruz, they lived and his aunt and uncle's cabin and Boulder Creek until they were able to find a house and felt him, which is a small town in Santa Cruz County.

14:51 They enrolled him in San Lorenzo Valley High School where he made a lot of friends. He played football, he was a really popular guy. He had a Steady girlfriend and he was even moated most likely to succeed in his senior year, in high school. Oh wow. Look at them. Then in 1965 when he was 18 years old. His best friend. Dean Richardson was killed in a car accident. This was the summer after they graduated. This was a major event in Herbert's life and he actually built a shrine to his best friend and his bedroom, and then he began to worry that his inability to get over his friend's death was assigned that he might be homosexual.

15:33 Just so, I mean, even though he had a girlfriend, I'm taking that as partially. Well, I spoke to you about this the other day off, camera that I I told I called it the schizophrenic time. Oh, Rarity that schizophrenia is known to start in late teens, early twenties, which is the primary time that we are going to be discussing Herbert Mullin life. So this is kind of what they would think of, as sort of a trigger moment for him. And his life is a big issue. He didn't know how to handle it. He just for some reason he didn't have the tools to get over this and he began to read about reincarnation natural disasters. All religions and it all kind of became an obsession for him and this will also be the time that people begin to notice a little bit of his mental decline.

16:24 He entered Cabrillo College in the fall of 1965 to study engineering which is also when he started using drugs and self-medicating with marijuana and LSD. At 18. He was diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic, but he was allowed to go to college. As long as he continued his medication, he finished his first year of school. He got a summer job with the county road crew. He broke up with his long-term, girlfriend Loretta for about six months and they got back together in 1967 and then I got engaged. Nice. So like it seems like he's determined that he's had an illness, he has a mental illness but he's got like a plan you know he's doing something about it though. So you know, he's trying to help himself. The thing is though in that summer of 1967, when he got back together with Loretta, he also started experimenting with drugs more and he also began to fixate on Eastern religions. He did manage to graduate with a two-year degree in Road engineering and he enrolled in San Jose State College. That fall of 67, he became active in the protest against the war in Vietnam.

17:33 He changed his major to philosophy and became like kind of a hippie. It's just one would do that. He withdrew from San Jose State College registered as a conscientious objector has an affair with a man cheating on Loretta and then after getting violent with her they break up and he comes out as bisexual, okay? So still nothing too crazy. April of 1968, he gets arrested for possession of marijuana. He pleads out to a lesser case. Getting only probation gets a job at Goodwill Industries and he manages a Goodwill in San Luis. Obispo California, he actually gets granted that conscientious objector status and October of 1968, after his dad, wrote a letter to the draft about how his son was very peacefully minded. Oh, He okay.

18:28 Yeah, his dad had to help the Selective Service Board credited. His time that he was working at Goodwill toward the required alternative service. So if you were granted conscientious objector, you still had to do like community service or something for the good of America if you weren't going to join the war that was just a part of the time period. Okay. I guess. Look you just gave me that you doing shit. Fuck. Are you past the age where they could call you and now? Oh no probably not. I mean you are a young strapping man? I am 32. If I don't know I forget What age you suddenly become too old for it? I think it's 35 outs of listen.

19:12 If World War 3 breaks out, you can still be called in. Don't jinx us, please. So things were going. Alright, for Herbert until February of 1969. He announces to his family. He's going to India to study yoga. You'll be Yogi instead he moves to, okay, I'm going to mess this team up, but it's about Sebastopol California. I never heard of the city. In my life, normally cities in California are Spanish on what that is probably Spanish. But either way, he moves into a trailer on the ranch owned by his sister and her husband, maybe after a month. about a month after he moves in, he's at dinner and their house and he begins, imitating his brother-in-law's moves So this is known as a capri Axia or Echo Kinesis and it's an involuntary repetition of another person's actions and it is a sign of schizophrenia.

20:18 And this was assigned to his family. He is not getting better and They begged him to admit himself into a treatment facility. What happened to be in the yogi? Nothing. He just, he moved in with his sister and called it a day. Yeah. You want him to be a yogi? Yeah. Well him to be. How do you wait? Wait a second, you know. That he ends up murdering a slew of people in Santa Cruz, right? Yeah. But maybe I can change the story and by manifesting just get a manifest the fact that Herbert Mullin didn't kill 30 people right there. But no unfortunately, he did not, he did even take the trip. He just he made it like an hour away, okay. That's as far as he traveled.

21:01 But I'm at the urging of his family. He voluntarily committed himself to the Mendocino state hospital, and he stayed there for six weeks there. He was treated for schizophrenia, aggravated by drug abuse, and treated with antipsychotic medications. So wait, so his drug abuse. Made it worse. Yes. Okay. It's pretty common. A lot of people with mental illness is self medicate as a means to feel better. Right. Right? Yeah makes sense. Well that's not you know. Yeah we all eventually tell you like how much he was abusing LSD if it's a lot. But he's only there for about six weeks because he didn't think it was doing anything for him and his doctors listed him as uncooperative, and they also wrote in his chart, they gave him a prognosis of poor, he checked himself out, May 9th, 1969.

22:04 So this is the beginning of the story right now. Okay. And we already have a poor diagnosis. He's our yeah. It's this is a really I guess. Kind of a tragic tale. Hmm. So, that's summer 69. He went to Lake Tahoe with another patient for the facility. The two of them found jobs as dishwashers at a gambling resort known as Harvey's Wagon Wheel. This bit of stability, only lasted a couple months as soon as he went home in August of 1969, he got in trouble. Again this time for pulling a knife on a forest, ranger, who told him to leave a park? He did not stab the forest ranger and he was taken to county jail but he was not booked and was released to his family.

22:51 Okay shortly after this his family thought that if he could get his drug use under control he would be able to get the schizophrenia under control, right? So they kind of don't want to say bullied, but we call that positive early intervention in support of they convinced him to, he goes to a community drug Center in Santa Cruz impatient. That's September of 69 some time while he was there. He began and like this was multiple sources. That said this term. So I just ritually burning his genitals with cigarettes. Yes, what?

23:38 Yep. Know that that was the direct term ritually burning. Yes, I'm sorry. So that's September of 1969, a lot happens in October 1965 he leaves the drug rehab center. He applies to be on public assistance since he's got no job and no real place to live. He goes Goes to his old manager, at the Goodwill store. And Herbert tells the store manager, he's hearing voices and receiving messages. He also made sexual advances toward one of his friends, who then called Herbert's, Uncle Herbert over was a doctor and immediately informed the local sheriff that his nephew was having a psychotic episode that month, he gets involuntarily committed to the psychiatric ward of San Luis Obispo. Eddie Hospital.

24:31 A doctor. There says this is a direct quote as a result of a mental disorder. He is a danger to others, a danger to himself and Gravely disabled. This is the first time that they have said, that his mental illness is a disability. And I think that is a drastic shift, right? Yeah. While they're Herbert, start sending his letters to his parents and begging them to write to him, that's November by now. He's been there for a couple weeks, he ends up getting treated total of your body eight weeks and they diagnosed him for announce the third time as a paranoid, schizophrenic at the end of November his family drive to see him.

25:12 And he tells them he's homosexual I guess fully coming out on November 23rd. 1969, he's discharged from San Luis. Obispo County Hospital contingent upon Him attending sessions at the Santa Cruz mental health, clinic near his parents house. Wait, this is a Reed hospital. This is the third hospital. He's been released from Mmm. Okay. And he has to go to another one. Well, they're saying at this point, they're saying we can treat him outpatient, right? And we've set up something at another clinic near where your parents live because they're releasing him to his parents, right? So make it easier. Bring his prognosis listed now is grave. Oh, that's worse than poor.

25:55 Yes, indeed! Oh, so why really some him and to his defense Oh, Herbert did originally try and follow the guidelines, right? The problem is with the illness he had and the time that he added, we didn't know nearly as much about it as we do now, he probably shouldn't have been released on his own at this point. Not like you said, Yeah, by January of 1970. So literally a month later, he's not keeping up with his sessions at the clinic. He's not going to gloop group therapy. He is taking his medicine intermittently and we learned from the Elisa Lam case that Some of these medications you cannot take off and on. You have to be consistent or can cause even more aggressive, horrible, you know, violent behaviors.

26:40 The only thing that Herbert is able to seem to be able to do in the beginning of 1970 is keep a job. He's a dishwasher at the Holiday Inn. Okay. So March 1970. So he manages to keep that up for about 2-3 months. He starts getting into fights with his dad. Oh, really like real? You know, very much pushing the boundaries and finally, his dad is like, you got to go. Yeah, he moves out of his parents house into a cheap hotel paid for by the state assistance. Checks he's getting, he meets this guy named Eddie Lawrence who introduces him to the commune life in Santa Cruz.

27:20 He's super into it, but the other residents there are like no we don't we don't want him. So there's off about this guy. Yep. So in the summer of 1970, a friend. He met at the con you named Pat. Brown was like I'm going to Hawaii, do you want to go with me? And her it's like, absolutely, it's Hawaii. Because who would turn down a trip to Hawaii? Yeah. Pat abandons Herbert in Hawaii, because Herbert's acting weird. So he just leave them there. Yes, he leaves them in Hawaii. Yes, and Herbert admits himself to the mental health clinic in Maui. Oh goodness.

28:01 Okay, he is examined by a psychiatrist there and this time they diagnosed him with schizoaffective schizophrenia. So I feel like Now, is the point ready to talk about the different diagnosis because we're hearing so many different ones. Yes, he's got three different, very similar diagnosis. And first thing you got to know if there's multiple kinds of schizophrenia as a teen and an early adult he's diagnosed as just gets a frantic, which is a mental illness, characterized by hallucinations delusion disordered thinking behavior that a daily functions. He seen as a severe case at that point but not Debilitating at, then he gets diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic with paranoid. Schizophrenia delusions are fixed and the person is, as it states very paranoid, this is the kind of person who thinks that, you know, like the tinfoil hat like they're listening in on me, the FBI is out to get me.

29:00 They have a fixed delusion, that's kind of the center of their problem, okay? Now in the clinic in Maui, he gets this third diagnosis schizoaffective schizophrenia which we would now and 2021 call schizoaffective disorder. This one is you have some of the schizophrenic things like the Delusions and disordered thinking, but it's also connected to other disorders like depression or bipolar disorder. So at this point more than likely what probably freaked out, Pat Brown is him swinging from high to low with his Outburst, okay?

29:41 At this point. Now I mean the first time it started was only a couple years ago. I was 18. His illness is not only progressing, it's progressing fast and he is rapidly declining and like I said, so I really don't think in this day and age. He would have been allowed to just travel freely. No, even in this situation, it takes some time for the hospital to be willing to release him. They're not willing to release him until July of 1970 and he went to Hawaii in June. So at least about a month, my God, ya know, he has to write his family for money to essentially buy him a plane ticket to get back to California.

30:27 He moves back in with his family on July 30th and he gets arrested for being under the influence of drugs and possession of illegal things almost immediately. I just feel like it might sound bad, but I feel like at this point, like, a mental institution would be like, like in Patient like, would be best for him. It's rough on one hand. It feels like you don't want to limit people's freedom. Yeah but but on the other hand like this is someone who's just deeply unwell and like people just keep passing him off back and forth to other people.

31:07 Yeah. And it is not helping him. It's not in like while he's in jail, they don't give him his medications which is horrible. He starts singing, Singing at the top of his lungs for hours and the prison decides to lock this as an emergency and they sent him to the county hospital where he's committed again on a mint. Like if I figured that's called, um, attend a 90/10, 50, forget what it's called, the charges got dropped. He's released again, under a California law that says that you can't hold a mental patient longer than 72 hours. Oh okay. That's because it Be used to detain people. Unlawful a sometimes.

31:52 Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, Herbert is 23. This is where we are right now and to his like to in his defense he tries to get his life on track again. He applies for readmission to Cabrillo College to study psychology this time, but he can't keep up with his counseling appointments. He is very mad at his parents. He's living with them again and he blames them for. The fact that he has a mental illness, he changes his life insurance policy, so that if he dies UNICEF will be his beneficiary, he gets a job driving trucks for Goodwill. Has a couple of you know, affairs with other people, during the winter of 1970 1971. He starts changing himself, physically. He shaves his head goes on a macrobiotic diet loses. A bunch of weight begins wearing a big black sombrero and speaking in a fake Mexican accent. Okay, yeah, it's weird.

32:52 March 1971. He spends 10 days in jail for public intoxication and resisting arrest. They dismiss his public drug charge. April, 1971, the hospital decides to close the case and Santa Cruz because he just hasn't shown up for any appointments in about a year in. May, he moves to San Francisco into a crappy apartment full of Alcoholics, drug addicts, and people who are also mentally ill? Okay, yeah, the people you're not supposed to be, you should not be around right now and he makes a friend. Yes. Can't sit still the people you should not be around right now. He and Alan Bond over reincarnation and they begin discussing that the voices that he's hearing are actually telepathy telling her birth that he's been chosen by God to do something very special.

33:47 He also picks up a fascination with leader and DaVinci during this time. While studying in the library one day, he learns that he was born on the anniversary of Albert Einstein's, death and that really solidified for him that he was born for greatness. Almost that, maybe. He might be The Reincarnation of Albert Einstein. All right. Look, me and the rock or Taurus is okay. That doesn't that doesn't make me think that hey I can go out and be a wrestling Superstar now. I mean, he's still alive. Yeah, exactly. So what so they weren't reincarnated as the wrong? No. But I can't lie, I could have he's older than me.

34:29 So, you know, I guess one of his wrestling prowess or something like, oh my goodness. So September of 1971. Now, 24 years old, he takes a job at the Newman Herman gym and gets into amateur boxing know. This actually proves to be a good outlet for him and he doesn't get in trouble at All it's like a it's like I've had a therapist before and they do say like exercise and stuff like that. It's really good for your mental health. And honestly, any Outlet you have can be really good. Absolutely see why? So many people started doing creative stuff during covid-19 slap down. We'll just like doing sports. I mean, like I started making things out of plastic and resin and stuff like that, and And I use my outlet to skate in. Yeah.

35:22 Hey people my shoulders. Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean this is all really good like it, having an outlet at all for you to express yourself is really great. You know he's doing so well that in March of 1972, they give him a permit to box in a Golden Gloves competition. Oh nice, you know, better good. You know, I know where it's going but well unfortunately, he doesn't get to compete in that competition because while he's like sparring and practicing, he won't stop attacking the other person and trainers. Like don't want to work with him. So essentially, he's having impulse control issues. Yeah.

36:09 But so still like he's practicing and like fighting with somebody else. Yeah. And so you know, when they say like stop and they say, like give the other person a break or call it off? He won't stop. He's going, he keeps keeps hitting that. Okay. Okay. Okay. I just got confused by bringing such shut down for a second. So it's September 1972. He moves back in with his parents gets a job as a busboy in a restaurant and he stopped taking his medication. Occasionally again, he almost had a he had a almost a good year. This time, he starts to fixate on new things. He's real mad at his dad and he says the voices were telling him to kill his father publicly. A large earthquake is predicted to hit California, that might cause Mass casualties.

36:52 And this is another detail that is something else he becomes fixated on. He later says that he'd been receiving telepathic messages from his father. The tell him to kill someone. So, October 13, 1972. He does. He's driving and he passes a transient man. Lawrence white walking alone on this Winding Road in Santa Cruz. He stops his car had of him and pretends to have car troubles and when Lawrence stops to help Herbert, he beat him to death with a baseball bat in his car and leaves the body on the side of the road. Oh wow. Yeah.

37:33 So he was out that night that night was just went like, I guess you couldn't say, you wouldn't say it was like premeditated. Hate it but he did plan on killing someone that night. This will be your line of thinking where you're going right now is going to become very important when we get to trial, okay? But first, we have to talk about the murders. October 24th 1972. Only a couple weeks later. He picks up a woman named Mary gilfoyle. She also, she went to Cabrillo College and she was running late for an interview. He offers her a ride, stabbed her in the chest, and the back drives to a field cuts, open her body, and spreads her insides all along the hillside.

38:18 Okay? Yep. It's a new take, on The Hills, Have Eyes. She The hills have energy since she wouldn't be found for another four months. Oh goodness, November 2nd, 1972. All Souls day, Herbert goes to st. Mary's Catholic Church and confesses his previous two murders. He's in the little confessional booth and he thinks he's alone. So, at some point he realizes that there's a priest in one of the booths. Yeah. And he starts trying to lick it. And the guys, you know, now does this man is Father, Henry to me to me to my is t0 Mei, I feel bad, father, Henry, tell me.

39:05 Because Herbert freaks out and starts trying to stab father, Henry a church parishioner actually walks in on the attack, screams and runs away. And calls the cops. Oh, she did get a glimpse of him, but she described him as a blur of black and blood. This is the first murder that the community is really aware of wait. So he got he killed the father. Yeah he brutally stabbed. Father Henry and runs away. Oh man. So, see the thing is The Drifter had been an elderly man and a drunk with really no family, but the priest was a member of community. He was a World War Two veteran, religious. People were like, is this like an attack from a Satanist cult, the police even went to the funeral hoping to see if the killer would, you know, show up at the funeral? The typical thing that they do.

40:02 Uh-huh, only problem is Herbert is not killing like a typical killer at this point. Well, it seems like a random killing, it's not that odd that Herbert third killing was a priest, considering he has a lifetime of rage towards organized religion, based around his sexual identity, which is so interesting that I chose to write about this this week. When there is a song that just came out from a musician, discussing the same thing or more. So the music video discusses. Yeah, that feels Of being told by the church or the Christian church, that you're going to go to hell for being the way that you are.

40:49 Yeah. And so, for a little nozick's, apparently it came out in the desire to give the devil a lap dance, Herbert Mullin, decided to stab a priest to death. I feel like one of the two of them came up with a much more creative and healthy Outlet. Good job Herbert. No. In top Herbert. Good job. Montero. Oh kidding. I haven't seen the video yet though you should. It's actually got a lot of depth to it. People are really freaking out over the like two screen shots of him. You know, busted It Wide Open with the devil. Oh no. But there's a lot of other subtext. That's quite lovely. Him being seduced by the serpent in the Garden of Eden.

41:29 Hmm, who is himself? Wait, he's by himself. Yes, listen is covid. You can't be hired other people to being in music videos. I didn't mean like that element. I don't was like some type of elderly I don't think with that, I think so but he's Adam and he's being seduced by a serpent. Okay. See you try to blame me for everything. See not in this case but yeah so it's not too crazy that Herbert Mullin is against organized religion. The interesting thing though, is that whenever he would rebel against religion he would also flip flop like really aggressively the extreme so then like after he would go through these phases. Has of like earlier I hate Christianity.

42:10 I hate my parents then he would like walk around carrying a Bible and talking about how he was going to join the priesthood. Oh God, he was very much flipping like and see. That's why I don't doubt the when they said this gives the affective disorder, potentially a little bit of bipolar disorder, his, he got real high highs and real low lows. Yeah. But that's like, that's like a change of character raise theirs. Absolutely. Okay. During this time though, the voices change for Herbert, he told the police that he was being told by Albert Einstein, that he was the designated leader and that now his victims were giving him permission to kill them as a sacrifice to save California.

42:52 The leader of what you would seemingly. He says the words designated leader. Okay, okay. After killing the priest, it seemed to have clicked for him. The real source of his anger, his Evangelical parents specifically his father November 1970. So, it's weird though member, I told you he's flipping back and forth, and right? His dad was in the military. So, on one hand, he's like, my dad's, the military you were this, like, you told me all these horrible things you did in the war. But then November 1972. He tries to join the Coast Guard. To almost, it seems like get his father's approval. Do you think that like him?

43:34 Killing a priest was like him? Killing his dad in a way? We'll see. There's a lot of questions about his his mode. I'm sorry. No, it's okay. Was that he tried to join the Coast Guard, but he failed the psychological evaluation of course which put him in laps him into another bit of paranoia about his father, conspiring against him. But the hippies in the war resisters were to blame I'm they brainwashed him into giving him drugs and destroyed his mind. This time. However, he decided he was going to kill people who ruined his life. There's a gap that happens in The Killing here. But I'm, I'll explain it to you later because it's really more important in the trial, in December.

44:17 He buys a gun. This is 72 that after reading the book Einstein on peace, he tells the police that he need the gun, because he was one-third Scandinavian. And in the book, every adult male in Switzerland, was in a militia and had to keep a gun for protection. So he's like, I'm Scandinavian eyes. I should have a gun too. Okay, this Jamie 15 1973, he manages to pass the physical and mental exams, to join the Marine Corps also not awesome. How in the world, did he pass the psych eval? Whose it was? Yeah. I have no idea.

44:57 Those are some crazy guys out there here's what? Yeah, that's my first thought, when I saw I was like wait a second. He pass But he messes it up for himself. So, in the last phase of whenever you work for the government, which happened for me, when I work for the government, you have to give them permission to do it very extensive background check and Herbert refused to sign the documents, giving them permission to seize criminal records. He insisted it wasn't important. And that the charges should have been dropped. So because he wouldn't comply with this final step. He was dismissed from the process. Yeah. I'm trying to just remember his everything I remember, he got, what do you got arrested for? It was moving, his public drunkenness and refusing. Also any time he got arrested, even if the charges were dismissed, those would be on his record. Okay, yeah.

45:45 But I'm just saying, like, they weren't that bad. I agree with you, but in his head, they were. Yeah. So January 19th 1973, Herbert's dad tells him again, you need to go, so he moves into another crappy apartment. His parents were kind of tired of them, him constantly, criticizing them, and criticizing them as parents. He was like, listen, I'm going to try and get into the army, and he started applying for a number of jobs. So, Remember, I told you that he was fixated on the people who ruined his life. After about two point, five months of jeweling on a man by the name of James G and era. He decides he's going to kill him. So in Herbert's mind, James represented, everything that had messed up his life.

46:38 James gave him the drugs that messed up his head, James had told him about the peace movement which made society shun him. He even said that James had tricked him into buying land. And I'm like, how is that a trick? That's a solid investment is harassment. Doesn't matter what you put. There's a haze. I wasn't making money. That regardless, January 25th, 1973, he decides, I'm doing it. He goes to James's old house and a woman named Kathy Francis lives there. Now, with her kids and her husband, her husband was actually a drug dealer. So that's how he and James knew each other, who was out in Berkeley probably selling drugs of college kids because That happens. There she tells him.

47:22 Hey, well, Jim and his wife moved to the other side of town and gives him the address thinking that maybe Herbert was like, a drug to faction, or it was something, you know, solid, right Herbert drives to Jim's new house. He gets let him with no issue because James remembers him Herbert, however, is not okay and he shoots him downstairs. James, drags himself upstairs, trying to get to his wife, who was taking a bath, He shoots both of them in the head stabs them repeatedly. I couldn't get an exact tally when I was looking up articles, just the word Overkill? Okay, repeat it. So the two of them would be found later that day. When Jim's wife Joan her, the grandmother her mother returned after babysitting, their infant daughter. I know.

48:17 Then he drives back to Kathy francis's house and kills her and her two children, David, and Damon who were four and nine years old. Why? Because they knew they didn't know nothing where they were. They saw him. So, what everybody saw you that day, Well, this is five people in one day. Yeah. So the community freaks out but the police spin this, as what they call a drug burn because both Bob Francis and Jim G and arrow were known drug dealers. Bob is cleared as a suspect and gives the police a long list of potential enemies of both, he and Jim to the cops, but of course, Herbert isn't on the list because the last time Jim had even seen Herbert had been the summer Of 1971 when Herbert did 10 tabs of acid, I don't know what that is.

49:10 I have to explain this to people who don't necessarily understand drugs Let me turn them. One tab of acid is how much like regular people might take like anywhere from a half to like to So for a tall skinny man to take 10 is an exorbitant amount of drugs that's like mean I'd be gone for like honestly I have a friend who casually does acid and my friend has told me it's not even worth it to do that much because at some point your brain just goes, no, we cannot process any more drugs.

49:55 So like I don't know if things were different 50 years ago. So, in terms of what these drugs did, but they probably were a little more dangerous back then as was probably great. That's what I'm saying. So it probably was way more extreme than even. What is on the market? Now, I just can't even fathom the idea. Like, I'm trying to think of this, in a way that people would understand. Like, imagine you went, you know what? I'm gonna do today. Drink five bottles of vodka in one sitting. Like, I'm going to die. That's the thing. You Died from Acid, but you can have a horrible time. You could do things, that would make you die.

50:36 You just, you would have what they consider to be a bad trip which is just a horrible experience, very bad trip. Yeah. I've, I mean, I was actually great documentary on Netflix or people talk about acid and some celebrities have discussed there. Like I did it once. I had a horrible time and I never touched it again. Like, that's how bad a bad trip is because you're locked into it for 8 to 12 hours. Oh, just having a horrible time. Oh, that's terrible. Exactly why you want to be an apparently, a good mood and mad but I don't think Herbert Mullin was ever in a good mood. Looks like he's he was just always having a bad time constantly and that bad state of mind.

51:16 He's not taking the drugs for the funsies, he's self-medicating. So I can only imagine if you're in this terrible mental state and you're like, I'm going to take this hallucinogenic drug That only intensifies, my feelings. And my experience with the world around me. He's already delusional. He doesn't need to see more delusions. I just Like I'm not a big fan of saying like drugs ruined someone's mind but they very well may have with the amount of drugs. He was abusing. Let me give you abused it. Yes of course. But you know if you're just casually taking it's different.

51:58 Oh yeah. So I thought that was surprised. I was like 10 tabs, good lordy. That's a lot of drugs. I also want to make a note here. Do you when I say Santa Cruz is that mean anything to you? You Santa Cruz, Santa Cruz, California. It, I know it. You do? You should know it? Yeah. Because for a good like decade people were calling it. The murder capital of America. Yeah, I think it was most movies. Know there's a really tall serial killer, who used to kill their. Oh yeah, at camper. In fact, Ed Kemper and Herbert Mill Herbert Mullin were killing in. A cruise at the same time so you got. You got it.

52:46 Mister, I want to make skin suits out of people. No, that's Ed Gein. Okay, you got any a, The Co-Ed Killer? Okay. He's the guy who was killing college girls and cut their heads off. That he killed his mom and cut her head off. And look, I can't keep track of these guys. The eagle would explain egg campers that he's like almost seven feet tall. Okay? He's massive, dude, toe boy and he Decided while he was in prison and he just doesn't want to leave prison, even though they keep offering him parole, he's like nah, I'm good. Yeah, I don't like, you know, he realizes that he does not know how to function in society, make sense, but Also, during this time there's another man named John Lilly Frazier, who killed a family, his whole family.

53:34 This time the owner family and their secretary female hitchhikers begin disappearing, in April of 1972. And there found decapitated Alice, Lou and Roslyn Thorpe go messing a 79 year. Old woman is found raped and murdered in her bathtub. They find the skeletal remains of Mary Guilfoyle the woman that Mullen killed February 11th 1973. They also find the remains of Cynthia Shaw and Marianne pasch both of their heads in the Loma Prieta Mountain gun sales, rise rapidly. Yeah, you gotta protect yourselves. The police don't know if this is Cole killings one, serial killer Seven Seas. Like this is one time where I am going to give the police a break.

54:19 Santa Cruz is a pretty small town, think of where you. And I live about this kind of metropolis about 100,000 people. And between 1970 and 1973. Like even the district attorney just went This is murder Ville USA and the people like the papers called it, you know, is this a sleepy Beach town? Santa Cruz is nice little Beach town and they call it. The murder capital of the u.s. for about those three years. So just after finding Mario, foils Remains, the police, find another pretty terrible scene for teenage boys, shot in their tent, in the middle of the woods and Henry Cal State Park.

55:02 They were Brian Scott Card, David all occur, Robert Spector, and Mark dreibelbis. They had built a temporary shelter out of sheets and spare wood, the plastic sheets Herbert Mullin, discovered them on February 10th. 1973 the boys initially invited him into the shelter, but Herbert was kind of pissed because a park ranger had kicked him out while he was trying to do the same thing, which was sleep in the park Herbert like, tries to like square off and seem like a scary guy and tells them to leave and their Facing public property. And as teen boys are likely to do. They laughed at him? I would They were discovered a week later when one of the victims Brothers went looking for them, I would have been discovered a week later to the scene was pretty gruesome, like one of the boys were shot while trying to gather plastic tent. He pretty much heard it.

55:59 Pick them off. One by one, use the all their own rifle. That they had brought with him into the woods and taking about $20 off of their body. So well. So, so he just wanted payback for being totally mad. Yeah, he was was a, he's being petty. You at this point? Yeah. So, police decided after mariga, foils body was found to try and like, warn the living of Santa Cruz. Like, hey, maybe you should stop hitchhiking because like, we don't really know what to do here. Like you keep getting into cars with strangers and y'all are getting sexually assaulted and murdered. So they just assumed that Mary was another one of those victims died to whoever was doing that.

56:43 No. It February 13. 1973 Herbert's driving sees a man named Fred Perez working in his garden. He pulls into the man's driver. Gets out shoots him in the chest before he can even see if Perez is Dad. He drives off. Just drives off. Was he dead? Yeah, he deaf he dies. Oh okay Fred's neighbor. Joan stick narrow. Writes down. The license plate number and calls the police nice. There you go. He's pulled over and arrested that day. He's silent. He doesn't resist. But things do get bizarre once he's in custody during the police investigation like interrogation, he only answers the police by yelling silence. And he keeps insisting, like, he stopped a disaster. It didn't help that just after he was arrested, eight days later, Southern California was hit by a five point, eight magnitude earthquake and point mag you that cost the area over a million dollars in Damages.

57:47 Sir, what does that answer? Did you stop? Well, he's saying, had you not stopped me? This wouldn't have happened. My man. How many people did you already? Kill your a sacrifice eat enough for the Gods. Okay. Eventually he opens up his the police about the voices that his father's voice originally ordered him to kill how he gained telepathic permission to murder the for teenage boys while in jail. He constantly Rants and Raves and writes down bizarre theories. Side note, at one point, he was in jail with Ed Kemper and temper said that. He used to, just start singing and one tonight. He threw water on Herbert and her route. Stop singing, he And then I gave him peanuts and he said, Herbert really liked peanuts.

58:38 Oh my God, boy. It's so then he goes after that he would ask for permission to sing and then, so at, Edward camper goes and that's psychological conditioning. Oh my God. He's not wrong. But also whoa. Oh my God. The day after they pick up Herbert, they searched his apartment. They find a Bible and address book. With Jian dnr's, address listed newspaper articles about some of his other murders and a Rosary pouch that had belonged to Father Henry he took a little trophy. They also find the following note, let it be known to the nations of Earth and the people that inhabit it this document carries more power than any other written before such a tragedy that as what has happened, should not have happened.

59:27 And because of this action, which I take of my own free will, I am making it possible to occur again. For while I can be here, I must guide and Hacked by Dynasty. And if that doesn't make sense to you, I agree. It didn't make sense to me either. A lot of what Herbert moans says, doesn't make sense. He, they almost didn't believe that Herbert was acting alone because while he was in prison, they keep finding more bodies. Well, yeah, they're all here were killing. Yeah, exactly. They tried to tie a bunch of the unsolved murders to Mullen but they compared marigot foias. Go foils remains to the other women and determined that whoever had decapitated The Other Women, The Hitchhiker's had a level of skill. Will that Herbert did not.

1:00:13 Hmm. If we were watching Criminal Minds and be like, you know, they're going, oh, this guy must be a surgeon. Apparently, like whoever that person was who decapitated them, did it like someone who knew what they were doing. Trusting the Mullen murders were not anatomically precise. So March 1st 1973, he gets charged with 10 counts of murder. They originally don't charge him with white Gulf oil and two may he walks into the court carrying a stack of legal books and attempts to plead guilty to all of them. But the judge is like, no you can't do that. Cuz I don't think you are legally competent to represent yourself. You're definitely not sir.

1:00:55 They do think he is sane enough to be tried. Mmm, And fun fact, the lawyer who ends up defending Herbert Mullin. James Jackson also defended Edward Kemp and camper and Frasier. Oh, so you got everybody in jail. He was just doing all of I have a right on Mike, you got them all. Put in prison. Was this one purpose? Yes, good job guys. Good job. Along with giving him Council, although Herbert refused it multiple times. They also got him evaluated by multiple doctors and everyone agrees. He's definitely a paranoid schizophrenic and that he'd killed At least 10 people so they set the trial for July 1973 and it starts on July 30th.

1:01:38 This trial was less about the murder like that, he committed murdered and more about if he was sane enough to be held responsible for his crimes. Hmm. The prosecution was hinging their side on the fact that he'd hidden, the crime, covered his tracks and they consider those to be signs of premeditation the defense pulled out. His extensive lasted list of visits to mental, health clinics, and diagnosis. His lawyer. Read some of her Birds more bizarre. Writings, I almost don't even want to read this. It's so weird. Now you got to read it.

1:02:19 Okay, I believe that my father has unequal has been unequally blamed for my failures, but surely if he had given me the six-year-old homosexual, blowjob oral stimulation that I was entitled to, like most other people get, I would have never taken the LSD without his permission. I'm so glad I didn't have a dad. No, Yes, that was one of his more bizarre theories that his family conspired to hide bisexuality from him, and that he should have been able to experience orgasms courtesy of his family at the age of six.

1:03:00 That's okay. Hmm. No, thank you. Yep. Now, Herbert even took the stand in his trial to explain himself and that ended up being a bad idea. But at first it seemed like maybe the defense Had something going here. He brought a pile of his own notes to the witness box, he rocked back and forth. He blamed his friends, his family his teachers because they all wanted him to stop becoming too powerful in the afterlife. Once he would be reincarnated, he told them that because Einstein had done his birthday but he was the designated leader of his generation and that his birthday gave him a dominant position in reincarnation direct quote here. This is a one-man consenting to be murdered protects the millions of other Human beings living in the cataclysmic, earthquake title area. For this reason, the designated hero and Associates have the responsibility of getting enough people to commit suicide, and, or consent to being murdered every day. So it's not just that he was demanding a sacrifice. This needs to be a consistent sacrifice every day. Yes, which he didn't do, but that's beside the point. Herbert told them, he didn't think much of his victims just that he'd been reacting, he blamed his father, and then he asked for his father to be removed from the court. So he wouldn't have to look at him. Oh, wow.

1:04:19 The judge was, like, you can't actually request that but ultimately, his dad did leave because he was probably having a terrible time. Yeah, I would. Yeah, I believe to he also blamed the Santa Cruz Police for not keeping him in jail. After he'd been arrested for possession saying, I never would have killed anyone if they Put me in jail if they don't punish you for breaking the law. What were they even doing waiting until I broke a bigger loss, so they could put me in prison for the rest of my life Rah. Come on. It would seem that. At this point, he's doing a really good job at proving that he is insane, but then the prosecution got to cross-examine him and he admitted on the stand that he was capable of ignoring the commands that he was getting telepathically from his father because he had ignored the command to kill and destroy. A of 1972.

1:05:09 That was a time period that I told you that there was a gap in the murders, that's the longest Gap in all of his crimes. He said, he'd heard his father, tell him to kill his uncle Enos, and he had asked the voice for a different victim. So, the prosecution was like, well, you say, you're afraid of these voices, but you were able to barter with them. Mhm, exactly. Even said on the stand, I just didn't want to kill anymore. I didn't think it was right. That sentence I think was the real Clincher for the prosecution because he had just admitted on the stand that he knew right from wrong. Yep, he was not a robot. Sure his father's thumb as he'd been claiming.

1:05:50 He also told the court. He'd murdered Joan Giancarlo because she was a witness and I didn't want to be punished. - that was the wife who was in the bathtub. Yeah, she wasn't even doing nothing. She'd my that even heard nothing could have had to water on. I don't even know. So then the court-appointed psychiatrists started talking and I'll none of them believed any of the stuff that Herbert Mullin was saying, was his Hmm. So he was like, I think the earthquake theory is something that Herbert came up with later. After he'd already started killing his motivation for killing Janeiro was because he blamed Genera forgetting him into drugs. Yep, and Joan Kathy. Damon and David were just Witnesses. He killed the campers because he thought they were hippies and he developed a hatred of hippies after he had abused drugs. So much.

1:06:40 So he was saying, hippies do drugs, so it's their fault now. Okay, another psychiatrist of who evaded. Him said that he blamed drugs for ruining his life and that's why he took revenge on James in a weird kind of split though, A Man by the name of dr. Charles Morris testified, he believed that Herbert was insane when he had killed the random people when he just picked up the woman and the man and that he is just displaying rationalizations about his other murders. Like he had stopped taking drugs to join the Marines and when he didn't get in, he killed out of anger dr. Morris also testified that Herbert had killed the last man, he felt like, in order for him to just get caught because he was getting tired.

1:07:33 The doctor also, explore did say that he could have been high while committing some of these murders. But that he thought that the telepathic permission thing. Also, just a rationalization Herbert had created in his mind as an afterthought. And he wasn't surprised by Mullins, Cosmic sacrifice Theory, or excuse, as he called it, because he's an individual with a high mental capacity and an interest in the occult psychology and philosophy. It was plain to see from everyone and Herbert was severely, mentally ill, mentally ill. But the thing is to be declared legally insane. The defense has to prove that the defendant did not no, what was right or wrong at the time of the killings.

1:08:14 And that he had a diminished capacity, which is that he didn't understand the meaning of his actions while he was doing them. The jury were informed by the defense that motive didn't mean a lot in this case because motives are ambiguous, which is talked about a way to fit it, like a lawyer. Oh my God. However, the prosecution responded to that in their closing statement and said, just because two plus two equals seven in his mind. That mean that mr. Mullin is not responsible for his actions. The defense asked the jury to consider the fact that Mullen kills people because he has to, but he doesn't know why. I suggest that a person who killed 13 people and doesn't know why is mad the prosecution said.

1:08:56 There's no question. He's mentally ill, seriously, mentally ill, but that doesn't mean he's legally insane. He hid the crimes and even ground off the serial numbers on his gun. Oh yeah, he knew it is doing. Okay, a jury of six men and Six Women delivery it for 14 hours. And found Mullen sane and guilty August 19th 1973. He received a first degree murder charge for Kathy Francis and James G and era. The rest were considered impulsive kills and it was second-degree murder leader on. They did a separate case for dr. Not doctor father Henry tonight to me and at that point Herbert just Like I'm just added onto the pile of other things that this K Mullins defense.

1:09:48 Attorney actually was quoted. As saying, like the jury is just as insane as melon is, they were afraid. He'd get out and kill somebody, which is not an illogical consideration. They didn't want his 14th victim to be one of them and I'm like, buddy. Yes, yeah, exactly. He should have been kept in one of the facilities that he was put. In several times before, please please, thank you, the prosecution, however, was kind of disappointed that they only got two counts of first-degree murder Herbert himself, actually, just kind of shrugged off the verdict, he was sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of Parole in 2000 and 2500. He will be in his 80s.

1:10:35 He probably, he has petitioned the court multiple times to be released and been denied so far. So I honestly don't think it'll be a good look for him to get paroled. I don't think he's gonna get paroled in four years, I don't think so. Either you just in case I mean he will be 80. He can't do too much damage. It sounds like from some of the things and I wish I could just There are so many quotes from interviews from him where he just says things that make no sense. Again, I just is very clear that he was completely gone.

1:11:15 And for my sources, which I always like to mention one of those is called deadly voices. The true story of serial killer Herbert Mullin by clell, Swinney, The die song, which is by Lund Donald London Jefferson Morgan that was in 1980 and murder and Madness. Also by Donald Monde. And that was it a book for 1975? Both of those last two ones are out of print. But do you have interesting details? The die song is a whole other thing that I don't even discuss, which is just a song, he used to sing in prison on people that they were going to die. Oh, that sounds wonderful. It's like I said, he just had a real. A rough time.

1:11:57 It's just what the situations of like, I don't entirely disagree with him saying like hey if you would lock me up before I started killing people, none of this would have happened because really he brought he should not have been out on his own for as long as he was, you could have thing about this is that all of this happened between the time. He was 18 and 26. Yeah, that's a short less than a decade. Completely changed his life. Not to say, um, can't you just say I want to stay in your Institute? Well, remember the first one. They said that he didn't seem to be really cooperating with treatment. That's another facet of this. Okay.

1:12:37 True. You Gotta Be You gotta be willing to write. You have to really be willing to do the work to experience any benefit from it. Okay. Well yeah. So what do you have to tell us about today? All right, so this week I had to do a dive deep down into my collection of paranormal info, nice, yes. So, since the month of March is over by the time, this episode will be out. I've moved on to April And since April is like the month of my birthday, I just figured hey I'm going to do stuff, I want to do stuff.

1:13:35 I really, really, really like and that's what I'm going to do. So I'm just gonna let you guys know absolutely. I do have some, you know, pretty cool books in my collection. But anyway, While I was like searching, I found an old book of Greek plays. And yeah, and like to those that don't search those who know me. I love Greek mythology. And those who don't know me, I really love Greek mythology. Oh goodness. All right.

1:14:16 So there was a play that I hadn't read before, it's really weird. So so this is a story that I'll be covering today is a like don't worry it has ghosts in it. Okay and some demons as well. So just sit back, relax and enjoy because it's about to go down. Okay? All right. so, the stories about three, unknown philosophers / Alchemist, and an average, Joe They all work together. So they go on a journey which actually may be one of the world's first ghost hunts.

1:15:06 Do they have cool Greek names? I said, unknown, I'd make up names. I did it for you, boo. Okay, okay yeah, I like this first go start. Yes. So this play begins, one of the Philosopher's will call him. I think I can even was his name Bank, as he's testing two of the students on the principles of of what he teaches. So he's obviously flirting with his feet. Male student. Well, he's picking on his male student when his partner. My name is dance. He runs in and tells him that, you know, his other partner. His name is Ram 'less.

1:15:54 I try, I try to make that worried because I could, I'd Romulus and Remus. Yes. Um, so they received word of an apparition appearing at look like a nearby library. So, so he rushed her because they may be philosophers, but they're also into Researching the unknown is this. I mean, the Ghostbusters, first man, goes to the library to. Is that what it is? You said I was Library. No, anyway, But you know, they never seen a ghost. So they rush over there to see just goes and they actually find it because you know, it's by one of the bookshelves is like reading and they're like astonished because they're like It's a, you know, it's a full-body Apparition, very cool. You can see that.

1:16:56 And I swear to you, they didn't know what to do, so they tried to fight it but the they got scared off. So after this happened they got kicked out of their lecture hall. They told it because their interests were in a know. So they soon decide, you know, let's start our own little thing for ourselves and we're going to offer our services to help people with their paranormal problems. So you mean become Ghostbusters? What? What you are?

1:17:37 Not getting the reference here. Know what the hell these three guys are like, hey, there's a ghost inside of this Library. They try and fight it. They fail. They get kicked out of their job at the college. What is and then they offer their services. Yo is the whole Ghostbusters movie based off of this is this Ghostbusters. Hey? So this is where the Alchemy comes in the craft the containment you're killing me, right? No friggin way. They cross the containment unit of sorts. The cavity Spirits. This kind goddamn it, the Ghostbusters pretty much stole their story from a Greek. Let me finish my story, please.

1:18:30 Oh my God. No, I'm just glad you're not getting it. Okay. Um, So this is not, you know, going well for them, so everyone calls them frauds, they're just, you know, they'll laugh in our faces and like they're out in the streets are advertising ourselves and finally, a guy comes up to them. And he's like, he's desperate. So he's like, he's like, are you guys seriously? Like absolutely. So yeah, so you can check out his Great Hall that he's holding a banquet later at night. And there's activity happening there. So finally, when these guys get a break it they head over there with their containment unit the like they're ready to go to war. So everyone sees them as highly confused yeah they say don't cross the streams so they make it to the Hawks as you know the Great Hall in these see they will see anything but they can sense the presence of a spirit.

1:19:32 What is his name is driver? This is smarter is right. So Bank goes wandering around out the whole way when you feel the spirit attack him. So even leaves like a trail of like excrement as it ectoplasmic. I said excrement as it leaves, it smells horrible, the stamps and ramble is meet up in there like so excited. So They're finally able to court. God damn it. Brittany.

1:20:14 I'm not even doing anything. No, you're not. So you're finally able to Corner the spirit and in the dining hall and They throw thoroughly. Destroy it. Well, we'll try to get the Costa Rica team until they finally get it in. And let me tell you, they are flying high right now. The word spreads and more people start to come to them and even have to hire more help for the help. Well, thereby, there's a woman that's experiencing some paranormal activity at home, like, think of parent that like, the movie role activity.

1:21:00 With all the crazy stuff is happening. Very demonic. So, so, So she gets these the three to check out you know and they find nothing but they keep in the back of their heads you know because it seems like it may lead to something. Meanwhile, business is moving and remember the average Joe I mentioned before. Yeah, he gets hired, you know, next to nothing about what's going on, but they needed help and he needed work so and and he's a very devout person. So that kind of works out now back to this woman. Well, call her Ripley one day.

1:21:52 And her home. She gets attacked by the Demonic presence and she ends up being possessed by it. At the same time, her neighbors possesses well, he didn't have any Paranormal Activity happening, it just popped up one day and it hit him with a pal. so, Now her neighbor goes out, running around like a person possessed think it's picked up, and of course, mmm, picked up a course and instead of like taking him to like prison or whatever, I guess two stocks are gel recall that they take up to these guys Banks and his buddies. And, you know, they quickly realized. Oh, yeah, this dude is possessed by a spirit. Could it be soul?

1:22:45 No Zoo does not possess him the GateKeeper. Gozer. Oh my fucking god. so, His house is right next to Ripley. So they're like, okay, this is kind of weird, like a unique name for her. I know, right? Amazing. I just feel popped in my head. Oh, pig heads over there anyway because he's like, he's trying to court Ripley. So he's like me, he's going, he's going to be her that night anyway. So She tries to assault him as soon as he walks in because she has this horny demon inside of her. Thanks for thanks Bank.

1:23:35 Gets her under control by giving her drink and to put her to sleep for a bit. Now during all this there's a skeptic trying to trying to disprove. These guys will call him pecker because he's a pecker. So he eventually finds out that they're keeping these Spirits deep in their home. So he gets this mob together to prove that they're frauds because, you know, he's a hater like that they destroy the containment for the spirits in there, all released Banks and everybody get drunk thrown in jail because when I get payment was breached or destroyed, Is it kind of like blew up, so they're accused of Witchcraft later on?

1:24:35 They later on, they they were found innocent by the king and Since he needed their help to get the spirits under control. He's like, okay, you guys go handle this shit real quick. Little, do they know? That the two demons that were possessing Ripley, and her neighbor working together to summon their Master to Earth. They finally meet back up and start the ritual to summon your master shut. Let me just finish it real quick. Bacon, bacon the crew the show up in time to see the master has been summoned. Now, the stealing is one that takes on the form of whatever so don't think so and destroys them with it. So if you go on with a clear mind, then you should be okay. Well let me just tell you that stance is a pretty freaking pure of heart guy.

1:25:39 So he's like well if I think of something sweet It will hurt me. And this is where I had to, I had to leave my notes alone. Tell you that. This is April Fool's joke. Your commitment to this I realized what it was. I known I wasn't. I was like you know I realized it was an April Fool's joke at about when you said the word containment unit but as like that beautiful it commitment. There was a lot of commitment there.

1:26:20 Brian. I was trying my hardest not to fucking laugh and you remember trying to make you laugh. Yeah, I know you like and you got it like right off the fucking bat and I was like pretty doesn't remember Ghostbusters all like that. She's not like me the Ghostbusters anyway.

1:27:03 Not just any worse, was a marshmallow mascot from his childhood. It appears as a 100-foot, marshmallow that quickly makes its way towards them for, like, a couple of minutes. I really was like, wait, did did is this where the original concept came from? But like this was wow, yeah. Eventually they are able to dispose of said, giant marshmallow mascot, Which was the form of the demon and they sent it back to those. ER, this is Hell later on. As everybody is rejoicing that of the destruction of the marshmallow, they're chanting a sort of song. Oh yeah, for these for these Heroes now I can't actually say that song because there's a copyright. Oh, but It goes, damn it.

1:28:04 Damn it, did it. There's something strange, there's something strange in the neighborhood, your neighborhood. Who you gonna call these guys? Haha. Yes, it was April Fool's joke because it's comes out April 1st. So that was good. That was good. I was I so took today, seriously. Yeah, I know and I was like, well, I thought about this like two weeks ago, I was like what is what can I do? Like because I'm ending the women's history month. And I was like oh well by the time this episode comes out, April Fool's Day.

1:28:48 There you go. I'm gonna do something funny. Well, it was funny. I cackles. Oh my God. Many many times. I'm glad you got a kick out of it. Oh, I was like, how can I write this? So that she couldn't problems possibly get it right off the bat. And I was like, I didn't do a good job at oh, man. But yeah. That was like, that was a Fool's joke about Ghostbusters. And paranormal stuff always fun. It's always going to be short. That's a true. That's true. You did tell me that that's because you decided to make a joke. That it's all good.

1:29:37 Hey, if you heard this episode and you listen to this far and you didn't enjoy it, I don't know what to tell you. Okay, I tried my banila. If you listen this far and you didn't enjoy it. I feel like you should write Brian and email the caught podcast at gmail.com. Oh yeah. What should I email you talking about? I don't know. Tell him what you liked and didn't like you should have you should have you. Has more Greek mythology. True. I was really excited for a second. That's why I was like realize like wait, we're going to talk about with ology. Okay, I'm here for it. I can talk about some Greek mythology. If you're really want me to like this is an unknown story, I was like Ah, that's exciting.

1:30:21 And I was like a library and you only talked about getting gas late hella hard over here. The beginning Ghostbusters. Well, I was probably I was going to I was trying to say Ghostbusters. What the hell is that? You know, there's no way you could ever look me straight in the face and say, Ghostbusters. What is that? Oh my God. You know, I was finishing up my notes today and I had to watch real semesters to either watch the second one. No, the first one. Oh, okay. Well, that's always a good time. Yeah. Oh, there's another story about these guys and they do have to battle evil painting.

1:31:01 Yes, yes. We're that nasty pink. Sludge comes out of the painting and like the they have to animate the statue of Athena to have her marched in the streets of Athens and get This can this joke cannot work twice in a row. My God plus it's going to be another four years before April 1st will be on the day that we release the podcast. So you got a while. Oh, I can believe me. I will surprise you. All right, don't don't look at the calender next year because Prize gonna do something silly.

1:31:42 I got I got a feeling in my bones. Well anyway, it was a pleasure. Yes, always, it was very fun and we will see you all next week. Yes please. Please subscribe to us on Spotify and on a podcast and we're now on Pandora finally. So I guess you can consider subscribing As well follow us on Pandora or whatever. I don't even know what you can do, either. Why leave reviews on anywhere you can? Yes, anywhere. You can like Brittany said, early and leave us an email at cult.

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1:33:04 Yeah, I guess so. But yeah, you catch me every Sunday except for last night because I didn't, Feel like screaming. So because you felt like playing Fallout. I did feel like they fall out. It was fun. I love it up so much. Anyway, thanks for listening and I hope you have a good week. Bye.