Episode 11: Phoolan Devi, The Bandit Queen & America’s Favorite Demonologists Part 1

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Everybody and serial killer
country.

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My name is Brittany.
Ransom, and my name is Brian

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winner.
And this is when Killers got

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caught, a podcast devoted to
deep dives, into the lives, and

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psyches of the Killer's.
We love.

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To learn about each week.
We'll discuss something new and

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interesting in the serial killer
world and then we'll discuss

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one.
Well-known or lesser known

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killer go deep into their
childhood lives methodology.

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And most importantly how they
got caught.

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And then because most of your
killer fans, love a little

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spook, Brian will lead us down
the road of the Paranormal, and

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to something that he found to be
particularly creepy this week.

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But before we get into that,
now, we were supposed to watch

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the Mormon murder documentary
this week on Netflix, but we You

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watch two episodes.
Two out of three is not bad.

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We watched an episode and a
half.

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Okay, well I watched two
episodes.

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I did not watch the other half
of the episode because there's a

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man on this documentary who has,
I would a soft pillowy voice?

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And I go to sleep every time he
starts talking, I'm sure like

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I'm sure there's something wrong
with his throat.

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It has to be something like he
just has a really soft delicate.

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It's really nice.
Voice is not bad.

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No, it's just if I'm already
tired and he starts talking.

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I'm like, that sounds good.
Then I'm out.

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It's like Wilson the
marketplace.

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Liar or you oh my God.
So because when I watch it

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during the daytime I was like oh
this is super interesting.

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So we're going to try and finish
it by next week and then we can

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give you our opinion on the fact
that The Mormon religion is a

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trap.
It is a real true.

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I already told you this.
I didn't even know.

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It was it called until about a
month ago and still you were

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like, it is definitely a cult
Brittany.

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I'm like, no, this is just like
spicy Christianity, you really

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know.
It's more like, okay, it's

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Mormonism.
Is kind of like Scientology,

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yes.
Which I do not like I totally

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pulled it up while we were on
the phone and it was like, was

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visited by an alien who gave Mm.
He's okay.

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First of all, he's an angel
whose name is Moroni.

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Sorry.
Visited by an Angel who we need.

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We wait, no.
It was an angel is always

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elevator, hold on.
Alright, that's, that's what

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caused all the bombings that
someone insinuated that it was

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actually not an angel was a
white salamander and that made

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people really upset and then
like four people got blown up.

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So, when it was first, I think
three people got blown up and

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then there was a potential for a
fourth bomb to go.

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There was another one I was
going to go.

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Go off.
But the third one you gotta

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watch the second one because it
explains everything basis for

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the bombs.
All right then.

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Did you know?
You just gotta look, you gotta

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watch it.
I will, I will just not in the

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MIT like not late night, can't
do it.

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Okay, I'll fall right asleep.
So instead, I guess the topical

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thing, we're going to discuss
this week is the Kendrick

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Johnson case that has been
reopened.

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Yes.
And for people who don't know,

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Kendrick Johnson was a teenager
who was found dead inside of a

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vertically rolled up.
Matt in the gymnasium of his

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high school in Valdosta Georgia,
in 2013.

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A preliminary investigation
autopsy concluded.

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That it was an accidental death
and people said that he had

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crawled into the mat to seek, I
guess the the a lot of the boys

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like to hide their stuff there
and because of going to their

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lockers, yeah, a lot of kids
like to put their shoes or

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backpacks and stuff into these,
because this was his second Gym,

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not the main gym where they did
like gym class and stuff.

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Yeah, and they would store their
stuff there because it was

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closer to their class.
Asses than their actual lockers

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exactly.
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shared shoes sometimes so they
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expensive pair of shoes and they
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off at the gym and then put
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go back to class.
Yeah, I didn't know anything.

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Listen shoes are like 500 of
these.

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The Fancy Shoes are like five
hundred dollars.

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So I understand like I guess
like I didn't have any friends

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so I didn't have friends this
year.

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She's right.
But regardless.

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After this happened, it was a
big thing.

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A lot of people were like, how
is this possible?

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I used the same kind of math
that they use at my job.

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We use it.
When we do gymnastics class with

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the kids, right?
And we're trying to figure out

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like how like 170-pound 17 year
old boy fit in that with no one

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being able to see him and he was
there for days which also, you

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know, I mean the parents bought
a wrongful death suit against

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Against 38, different people who
worked at the school and the the

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community for a hundred million
dollars.

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They originally said, like this
is definitely murder and y'all

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are pushing it under the rug.
Yeah, I believe there is.

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There are two students at the
school who have family members

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who work for the feds and there
was a belief that perhaps those

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boys had something to do with
this and I gotta cover it up and

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that was covered up because they
have Both parents in higher

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level law enforcement but
regardless it's being looked

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into again because I mean we
thought we heard the last of it

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in 2016 when the Department of
Justice said we're not looking

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into this as accidental death.
Yeah, they said was an accident.

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We're not looking into this.
I'm uses eight years ago.

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Do you remember?
I don't remember how long ago,

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it was like a few years ago, so
there's this black woman.

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She was at a flight or friend's
party sleepover, and, you know,

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everybody's drinking and stuff
in Chicago.

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I think it was, I think so she
wandered off while she was drunk

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and she ended up in a freezer
somehow locked inside of it.

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No, no, not that one.
Oh, that one was weird.

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They were shoes that like a
hotel party and she went off

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with somebody who we don't know
who they are based.

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On the cameras and then like her
mom called the police.

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They were like, oh, she hasn't
been missing long enough and

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days later, they were able to
discover that she was on a floor

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where they were doing
construction in a freezer and

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I'm like, this is so suspicious
and worse is that I think has

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happened in Chicago a couple
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Definitely in the past decade,
this is another one of those

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weird.
The one I'm talking about it.

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I think happened either in
Florida or Texas.

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Okay?
She was out of like a friend's

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party, you know, she's a
co-worker of his friend and she

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goes over to this, like birthday
party or something like that.

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And I forget the name.
Oh, I forget her name.

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I apologize.
But, you know, she spends the

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night because, you know, they've
been drinking and stuff.

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Right.
Next morning, everybody now's

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finds her out dead and alone,
alone, other condo, or whatever

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was it cold?
Or she was just that she was

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dead.
Oh wow, yeah.

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So you haven't heard that one.
No, I don't remember that one.

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Oh goodness.
And they said that was probably

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excellent it because she
probably fell off the balcony

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from the it beep.
Really obvious.

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If she had fallen off of the
balcony.

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Yeah absolutely.
They had sustained several

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broken bones.
I am lit.

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Look at your mark.
I think she didn't there weren't

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a lot and that's what made it
like, very confused.

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Yeah.
And I got to look it up and see

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who the heck this my goodness.
Well yeah, apparently.

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The, the, the newer County
Sheriff says that the death

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initially ruled an accident
should be investigated again.

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This is me, his parents have
never given up.

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I wouldn't of course, who would
the yeah, I mean, they

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Accidental like positional
asphyxia is, yeah, a horrible

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way to go.
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And I just, I guess I don't even
understand.

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Like, the way I like, how were
they storing their shoes inside

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of the bats?
That doesn't even make any

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logical sense to me?
It's like that I would have

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hidden them behind the mats.
You know what I mean?

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Hmm.
And an autopsy conducted by an

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external pathologist.
That his family ordered said

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that.
He did also experience some

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blunt force trauma to his head,
which is another thing that they

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believe was Made it more
suspicious like that.

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Somebody hit him and then
somehow he ended up upside down

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and the thing I mean, that could
be a thing.

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I mean that's like one.
I mean, someone could have just,

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you know, kill them outright and
then just stuff them in there

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because, but apparently, this is
an uphill battle for this

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Sheriff because apparently his
office has received 17 boxes of

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written and electronic evidence
from the federal probe 1717.

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So he is a lot of stuff to go
through.

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Interviewing over 100 people,
tens of Of emails and text

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messages between the young
people reviewing, hundreds of

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hours of surveillance videos
from the high school.

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All this between January, 10th
to the 11th. 2013, he has a lot.

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His name is Paul.
Yeah, a lot of times when there

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is pressure on a police
department to get an answer, I

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worry that they are just picking
the first answer the easiest

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answer instead of you know, it's
not like TV.

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Yeah and TV.
It's like we can spend all this

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time focusing on this one case.
I mean here, it's June 2013.

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Mmm, the whole world is aware of
what happened here.

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And the pressure is on them to
figure out what happened.

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Figure it out quickly and close
this case.

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So that everybody in the world
is not looking at Valdosta

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Georgia and shaking their head
at us.

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That's funny.
Okay, so I did find the name of

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the woman and so it was too as
an 18-0 guy happen.

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Wow.
And guess what it was in

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Georgia.
Oh wow yeah so Tim Le horse for

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it.
Yeah that sounds familiar.

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Okay yes she was attending a
friend's Adult sleepover

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birthday party or something like
that and they found her dead in

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the backyard.
I will admit.

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So we used to have what we
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college, and it was also because
we have been drinking well and

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here, but here's what we would
do, right?

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Okay.
So it was our, our major plan,

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we would go and we would pregame
at like a restaurant that had

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like a good deal on booth and
we'll come back and we would do

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our our makeup and that was a
whole ordeal and I would do.

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Everybody else's may come from
and then we go back out and then

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we'd come back and we'd end up
like laying on somebody's floor

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and somebody's house, you just
talking it like to have that

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morning.
So I mean this is not that crazy

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when she went to she went to
like a little you know little

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girls slumber party.
Yeah.

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She's looking down side is that
she died.

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Yeah, she was only by person
there to okay well I got

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feelings about that.
Isn't that weird that like we're

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expected to be okay about that
entering into an environment

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where there's nobody like you.
It's it's weird it's definitely

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it does feel a little
uncomfortable not gonna lie

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because I feel like in any other
situation like if you put like

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just one random Caucasian person
in a room with no one liked

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them, they would feel very
uncomfortable and real-world

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everything.
Dave, Chappelle I have seen a

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vision that I just don't
remember that one, but it is

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when his kids They put one, you
know, how he made a joke of

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saying how they always put this
one, black guy, and his house of

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all these, like, six different,
wow.

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Yeah, I know you're talking
about.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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And you put one white guy in
this house with some bunch of

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white people.
Let's see how that works out.

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It didn't work out really well.
I do remember that.

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It's just like, I mean, to be
honest really Yeah, but like any

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time, I'm I'm out with my
friends or, you know, hanging

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out with people.
I just subconsciously, I just

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look around.
I have to look around and make

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sure like is there.
Another person that looks like

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me?
Oh, absolutely.

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Is there somebody here?
Who hit my back somewhere?

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Like it's just like a it's a
thing.

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I mean, what's also understands
you know, we talked about a lot

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of crimes where women are the
victims.

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Yeah.
People are just look.

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Yeah.
You should do this thing or you

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should do that thing and I'm
like, do you understand the like

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unconscious level of checking
that I do all the time, like in

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the last podcast?
I mentioned to you that I if I

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get off the elevator with
somebody on my floors, I wait.

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or there was one night, I
dropped off like my trash at the

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trash chute and there was
another guy who like walked in

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after me and after he like like
he asked me like some really

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awkward questions and I was just
like I'm taken and he was just

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like he kept asking questions
and I was like nope that's it.

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We're done here.
And then like my brain went, you

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know what I should do right now,
I'm going to step into the The

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stairwell.
Hmm and so I instead of going

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directly to my because you doing
my instead of going directly to

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my door, which is right there.
Yeah, I dipped over to the

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little hallway over there.
Am I turned and went into the

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stairwell and I waited and I was
like, how long do I have to wait

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here, to make sure that he is
moved on because the last thing

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I want is for him to know where
I live.

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Yeah, that shit.
It's we already live on the same

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floor.
I don't want him to know exactly

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what room I live in what
apartment I live in.

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And so that's what's, so that's
things that people don't

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recognize when they're a part of
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Like, how much stuff you do to
make sure you were in a good

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place, right?
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Just subconscious stuff.

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You grow up.
You learn to do.

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Yeah, this is true.
Yeah.

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Like, it's very dark outside
right now.

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I don't even songs over though,
that's true, but I don't walk

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outside in the dark.
This is yeah, we a burning look.

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Okay, I'ma be honest again, when
I'm walking from your apartment,

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to my car, your little nervous,
just a little bit on some of

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those side streets, and I'm just
like, let me where my keys at.

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Let me find those real quick,
but as we're to my fingers,

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what?
You need?

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One of my your life.
Yes.

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Not right.
Not not lying.

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Listen, I wish sure Sheriff,
poked all the good feelings in

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the world.
Good Vibes to you, sir.

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You got a long investigation
front of him and the thing is,

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No One's Gonna Be Happy.
Depending on the outcome of

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this.
Yeah.

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Because if he finds out, it was
murder, then a whole nation will

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be enraged.
If he does this whole huge

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investigation and he finds it
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A whole nation of people will be
upset with him.

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I mean, it'll be the same
outcome of the finance and

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accidental death though, so
yeah.

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But is that they'll just have
more closure and just I mean

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it'll be still answers as to
why.

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But other than that it's not
much you can do about it.

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Yeah.
Okay.

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looking for more International

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people, as I mentioned in our
trailer that we recorded, I have

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a huge Master list of every
serial killer who has ever been

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caught since roughly like 1900
across the entire world and

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they're organized by country.
And then there's a whole subset

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of America because we have so
many, but generally the rest of

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them are organized by country.
So it's just like, You know

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what?
I haven't looked at India ever.

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So, I started like typing in
names, and when I typed in This

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Woman's name, I came across a
book called The Bandit queen of

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India.
And Indian woman's amazing

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journey from peasant to
International Legend, awesome

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title, right?
And when you see a title like

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that, you gotta buy it, no
matter what the story is about,

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you gotta buy it, can ignore it.
And, you know, I expected to

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find a woman who was a hero, but
actually, she was kind of an

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antihero, the Peugeot.
And I'm not exactly bothered by

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the fact that she killed over 20
men.

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You will find out why as we
journey into this tonight, okay?

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Unlike my usual subject of
serial killers, this woman

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phoolan, Devi, qualifies more as
like a spree, killer / Revenge

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killer, and this is a woman who
went from being born a peasant.

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Went to becoming a bandit to a
victim to a killer to an

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activist and politician.
I'm here for the Bandit - oh

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yeah, I'm very excited to tell
her story because I'm not sure

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that shoe.
Many people know about her and

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just what a life that's a real
Arc right there.

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But like I do with every week, I
talked about the beginnings of

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these call them Infamous people
you go not all amazing but

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Infamous so philosophy was born
August 10th 1963 in a small

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village called gorica para and
uttar Pradesh which is we would

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look at it like States so
different states in India.

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She Is the fourth child of
parents Debbie, DIN and Moolah.

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She was born into the mall and
cast, the molinar traditional,

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Boatman and fishermen tribes,
and communities, and north, and

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east, and Northeast India as
well as Pakistan for folks.

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Who don't know.
India has operated in a social

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stratification system called a
caste system.

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Since about 1500 BC, it is one
of the world's oldest forms of

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social stratification and is
based on people's work and their

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Duty upper and lower castes
specifically in the area that

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I'm talking about today.
Lived in segregated colonies,

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where they didn't even share,
water resources, and like many

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social systems.
Like this, it offers privileges

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to the upper caste and sanctions
and repression of the lower

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caste by the more privileged
groups.

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Despite being criticized
globally.

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And also, within India for being
an unjust system, it's remained

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virtually unchanged trapping
people into this fixed social

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order where they can almost
never escape and the cast that

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flan was born into the Malin
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It's so low and down in the
totem pole that the only people

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like below her.
I referred to as the

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Untouchables.
So they are seen as like kind of

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the scum of the earth.
Yeah, so she was not the lowest

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but pretty far down there.
She was close.

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As a member of that lower caste.
She was very very poor, her

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family had one asset, a one acre
Farm where the large old me.

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Neem tree on it.
It's a specific type of tree

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only grown in India, called
neem, and her father's plan was

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to harvest the wood from that
tree to be able to pay for a

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dowry for his several daughters
to marry off really, isn't that

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like revver tree.
It's not so much that people

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need lumber.
Okay.

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And they're all broke.
He had actually inherited 15

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Acres from his parents when they
died but his brothers Pretty

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much stole it from him, one of
fool ins cousins, his name was

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Maya, didn't was a very
well-connected man and aided in

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that land thievery.
Her uncle had been doing

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everything the slowly take the
land away from the family.

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So when foulon was 10, she had
had enough.

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Of course, she demanded that her
father fight for the land.

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As it was the only thing that
the family had, but her dad

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didn't have much in the way of
like socio, political capital,

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and he was honestly weary after
a years, long fight with his

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family over.
This property, her uncle had

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taken it over, just through pure
dishonesty and it had left

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salons family and like, more
poverty than other people in

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their community.
So full-on decides she's had

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enough and she confronts her
cousin might him.

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So she begins publicly calling
him a thief and attacking him

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when she sees him, then she can
fizzes convinces, her sister and

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some other girls from town to
do.

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Sit in at the tree, the neem
tree on their property and this

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is like it lasted for a
significant period of time

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early.
She's 10 years already 10 years

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old and she wouldn't leave when,
even some of the Elders of the

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community tried to drag like the
girls home.

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It only ended because Maya
didn't showed up and he hit her

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with a brick well knocking her
unconscious dude come on.

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Yeah, this is a weird blood Feud
that's going to continue on for

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quite some time, my God.
So, after that event, I might in

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kind of stops for a little bit
at least publicly foulon, still

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hates his guts and refers to him
as the thief, whatever she can

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in public, which is not a good
thing to be, just yelling at

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someone in the streets, even now
after a thief.

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I mean yes.
But they're safe though.

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Yes, my Aiden was a thief, but
well, so for about a year he

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kind of keeps his mouth, shut,
nothing publicly is happening,

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but on the back end, He is
finding a way to rid himself of

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fool on every single girl.
Oh, now she's 11.

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There's an 11 year old girl.
Oh my God, he finds a more

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well-off man.
Who'd agree to take her as his

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bride, her family accepted as
was the custom at the time.

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And this worked out for my
attend because this this new

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husband didn't live, very close
to her family.

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The only problem is that he was
in his 30s and foulon was 11.

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His I'm was putting lull and in
her autobiography, she calls

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him.
A man of very bad character,

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which I feel like she was being
very kind.

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Yes, was in this description.
I mean, a 30 year-old Mary, an

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eleven-year-old, yes.
Yeah.

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Putting mistreated her from the
beginning.

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Sexually assaulting her and
beating her from the start.

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And this is pretty rough because
she's away from home like, well,

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over an hour, like it's not,
it's this wasn't a, she could

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just walk home situation, she
was hours away from home in a

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very rural area.
She was isolated and but she did

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try and run away from her
husband several times.

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And every time she was returned
back to him, he would be her

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more savagely.
Finally, she was returned to her

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family because her husband was
like, she's too young for wifely

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duties.
No shit.

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Why did you marry her in the
first place?

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Yes, you have words to say you,
but I'm trying to your feelings

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about this.
But three years later at 14,

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they return her to her husband,
it's 1977 she kicked up a huge

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fuss this time, she protested
and her husband brought her back

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to her family's home.
The problem was 1977 rural

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India.
A wife leaving her husband in

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this manner is considered very
taboo and her community marked

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her. as a social outcast, almost
immediately So she's already one

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of these people of a lower
caste, she has someone with some

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political clout, very angry with
her.

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And now she's being deemed like
unfit woman and a social

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outcast.
Like she's just getting dug

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further into the hammered
further into the ground horse,

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okay?
Okay.

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Now fully back home.
Foulon is back on.

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I can only say back on her
bullshit, Buckle her uncle

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hating because she is back to
bothering her cousin about the

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fact that you stole 14 acres
from us, she will not let it go.

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She accuses him of stealing the
land, she tries to take him to

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court on her own at 14 years
old.

451
00:28:14,300 --> 00:28:21,600
Wow.
And she loses the case in 1979

452
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:27,700
when she's 16 with a case,
lasted, two years ago she was

453
00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:33,800
listen, full-on was just like as
a child, a force to be reckoned

454
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:38,800
with nice.
So then might and comes up with

455
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,900
a new plan.
He calls some of his police

456
00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:46,500
buddies and he, accuses foulon
of stealing things from his

457
00:28:46,500 --> 00:28:50,400
house.
She gets put in jail for 3 days

458
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,400
where she is beaten and raped by
guards in the prison.

459
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,300
It was at this time in her life
that she developed a bit of a

460
00:28:59,300 --> 00:29:05,000
hatred towards men,
understandable specifically man

461
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,600
who Abused Women and also a
serious distrust of the justice

462
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,300
system.
Absolutely.

463
00:29:10,300 --> 00:29:13,100
Understandable, when she was
released from prison, her family

464
00:29:13,100 --> 00:29:18,600
and Community shunned her for
being a thief, even though she

465
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,700
never stole anything.
And for time in her life, she

466
00:29:21,700 --> 00:29:27,400
just felt really helpless.
So before I get into, what I can

467
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,800
only refer to as the banded era
of fool, ons life, I have to

468
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,500
give you some backstory here in
India.

469
00:29:35,500 --> 00:29:38,400
They have a different name for
gangs, they call them the dacoit

470
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,200
and there's a long storied
history about why they even

471
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,900
exist in India, but they are a
part of organized and sometimes

472
00:29:45,900 --> 00:29:50,700
disorganized crime in several
areas of India, with some being,

473
00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:54,300
very traditional gangs, you
know, they have protection

474
00:29:54,300 --> 00:29:56,800
schemes.
Yes, they are just going around.

475
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,500
Causing a ruckus.
We have some other very Robin

476
00:29:59,500 --> 00:30:01,800
Hood.
Ask, you know, Rob the rich to

477
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,200
give to the poor.
Yeah.

478
00:30:04,900 --> 00:30:07,300
Like some of the Robin Hood ones
would Target wealthy people and

479
00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:10,700
then pay the medical bills or
weddings of poor people.

480
00:30:10,700 --> 00:30:13,700
That's awesome.
I love that other two quite,

481
00:30:13,700 --> 00:30:16,000
we're like the Mob of the 20s,
they targeted businesses,

482
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,100
offered protection, that sort of
thing.

483
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,000
So the most comic kind of decoy
actually kidnapped wealthy

484
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,200
people and the demanded Ransom
money from Wealthy relatives.

485
00:30:26,300 --> 00:30:28,600
I mean, they give them back
though, right?

486
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,900
If they got their money, okay.
Well, I mean, those are kind of

487
00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:39,800
Robin, Hood SQ, edgy Robin Hood.
There you go.

488
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,100
There's a bit of a dispute here
and some of the tax.

489
00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:46,500
So and rulon's book, she says
that she was kidnapped by a

490
00:30:46,508 --> 00:30:51,300
dacoit gang but in a different
biography I looked at they posed

491
00:30:51,300 --> 00:30:54,900
it as full-on walked away from
her life with her family.

492
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,600
Family, because there was
nothing there for her anymore.

493
00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:02,800
But either way she's 18, it's
1979 and now she's with this

494
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,400
gang, the leader, his name is
Babu kjar.

495
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:11,700
Expresses a desire to rape her
but she has been offered

496
00:31:11,700 --> 00:31:15,800
protection by Rick Vikram Milad.
The second in command who is of

497
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,400
the same cast as her Babu was of
a higher caste.

498
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,800
Which is why he felt like he had
the ability to just do whatever

499
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,900
he wanted, right?
I'm like I'm Les you know this I

500
00:31:25,900 --> 00:31:29,100
want to do this to you and it
may arise like just letting you

501
00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:32,300
know like yeah you know I'm
doing that later whether you

502
00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:34,900
want to do it.
Oh my God I'm doing it.

503
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:42,000
Well aha one night he comes to
try and rape her and Vikram

504
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,600
kills him and assumes the
position of being the new leader

505
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,900
of the Gang.
Fool on is like, this is

506
00:31:50,900 --> 00:31:53,100
awesome.
Like, you really have my back.

507
00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:54,000
Thanks.
Yep.

508
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,900
And she's like, you know what?
I have no problem becoming your

509
00:31:56,900 --> 00:32:00,900
second wife, okay?
So like, listen, I'm good.

510
00:32:00,900 --> 00:32:04,100
Like this is, I'm you gotta
figure though like Vikram is

511
00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:07,500
probably the only man in her
life who hasn't harmed or like,

512
00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:09,700
seriously neglected her right.
That's true.

513
00:32:09,700 --> 00:32:14,100
I mean, he was honest with his,
his word, he did protect her.

514
00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:15,500
Hey, so listen, I got you back
honey.

515
00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:20,800
So It's not that crazy, that she
would become emotionally

516
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:25,400
attached to the only man who's
really put up with really fought

517
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:26,700
for her.
Yeah.

518
00:32:28,100 --> 00:32:32,500
So to take that a step further
fool on tells him about her

519
00:32:32,500 --> 00:32:41,200
ex-husband and he's like what?
So he brings the whole gang to

520
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,600
the village.
Where her ex-husband lives?

521
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:49,200
Oh, they wreck the village.
Full-on walks into her prior

522
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:54,600
home stabs her ex-husband in the
chest and then drags his body

523
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:59,500
out in front of all the other
villagers leaving him for dead.

524
00:32:59,500 --> 00:33:05,200
On the side of the road, as a
warning, to older men to leave

525
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,400
young girls alone.
Yes.

526
00:33:09,300 --> 00:33:10,900
Okay.
I'm down with that.

527
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,300
Also during this time Vikram
teaches her, how to use a rifle

528
00:33:18,100 --> 00:33:21,800
and she participated in some
normal gang activities across

529
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,500
utter Pradesh and madhya
Pradesh.

530
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,200
Things like robbing higher.
Caste Villages kidnapping upper

531
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,400
caste landowners for ransom
train robberies.

532
00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:35,100
Oh, okay, all sorts of fun gang
activity.

533
00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:39,400
So wait, are they the Robin Hood
type of gang or I think they're

534
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,900
kind of regular.
Okay there's the gang.

535
00:33:41,900 --> 00:33:46,700
Got it after every crime, foulon
finds a Durga Temple.

536
00:33:46,700 --> 00:33:50,800
That's one of an Indian goddess
has Hindu goddess Durga and she

537
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,800
thanks the goddess for her
protection.

538
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,600
Things.
This was great.

539
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,400
She's like this is the best,
like, two years in my life.

540
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,300
Of course, things can't really
go well for our heroine of the

541
00:34:04,300 --> 00:34:09,400
story.
So to upper caste gang members

542
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:14,199
named Shriram, and Lala ROM
decide to come back to the gang.

543
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,100
They were two brothers who
belong to the, the core cast.

544
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,400
The, the core are mostly small
landowners.

545
00:34:21,699 --> 00:34:23,500
So essentially these two were
brothers.

546
00:34:23,699 --> 00:34:27,699
Born into Lynn on our wealth.
Why you join a gang?

547
00:34:27,699 --> 00:34:30,100
When you already have money is
very confusing to me.

548
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:34,300
You probably want to piss off
their dad, maybe I don't know.

549
00:34:34,900 --> 00:34:38,300
Well, when they rejoin the gang,
they're like, where's Babu?

550
00:34:38,500 --> 00:34:45,199
And everyone's like he died.
He did and they are outraged but

551
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:48,900
not that Babu was killed that.
He was killed by a man of a

552
00:34:48,900 --> 00:34:52,699
lower caste well y'all can do
any better because you weren't

553
00:34:52,699 --> 00:34:54,100
here.
So why don't You care?

554
00:34:54,500 --> 00:34:57,100
And they're upset that someone
of a lower caste is in charge of

555
00:34:57,100 --> 00:34:59,000
the gang and therefore in charge
of them.

556
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,700
You don't have to come back, you
just go.

557
00:35:03,700 --> 00:35:07,500
It was just tense and it was
even more tense because Shriram

558
00:35:07,500 --> 00:35:11,000
kept making sexual advances
towards foulon and vikram's

559
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,500
like, yo, that's my wife.
Apologize to her.

560
00:35:13,500 --> 00:35:18,600
Yeah, no, no no, no, no.
So thing about this particular

561
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,300
gang, that who I am is a part of
is that it was comprised of many

562
00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:25,400
different people of different
castes and so they would go to

563
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,900
like different villages to Rob
them.

564
00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:32,900
And so, when the gang robbed a
Malin Village, the ROM brothers

565
00:35:32,900 --> 00:35:37,000
would make fun of and mock like
the Malin people that's the same

566
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:42,400
cast that was Vikram and full on
our part of and that really

567
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,200
upset like members of the gang
who were also part of that cast

568
00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:50,700
and they started Leave.
You're like, I can't get any

569
00:35:50,700 --> 00:35:53,900
respect in life and now, I'm not
even getting respect in my gang.

570
00:35:54,300 --> 00:36:01,000
Whoo, yeah, so with that Gap in
like gang members, Shriram gets

571
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,300
a dozen, the course to join.
And navigating has more higher

572
00:36:05,300 --> 00:36:08,200
cast members than lower cast
members.

573
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,400
Vikram, trying to be a good
leader is like, hey, why don't

574
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,600
we just split into two groups
and y'all can do your upper

575
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:21,200
caste stuff and you can lead
them and I will lead the group

576
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,900
of like Malin members.
Hmm.

577
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,200
So there's no in in gang
fighting, we can all be happy

578
00:36:29,300 --> 00:36:30,100
right, right?
Nope.

579
00:36:30,100 --> 00:36:34,500
Sriram's like nah.
And one night, he actually just

580
00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:37,900
outright tries to kill both
foulon and Vikram while they're

581
00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:42,300
sleeping Vikram.
Manages to escape that day, but

582
00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:44,000
they did kill him several days
later.

583
00:36:44,100 --> 00:36:50,800
No, they kidnap flan and take
her to a village.

584
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:55,300
It's called Abba my Village,
which is for people of that

585
00:36:55,300 --> 00:37:00,800
cast, The Core cast and they
lock her up and proceeded to

586
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,400
beat and Angry / for several
weeks.

587
00:37:06,700 --> 00:37:10,700
They would, they also like tried
to humiliate her like they would

588
00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:13,900
make her strip and then walk
through the city like getting

589
00:37:13,900 --> 00:37:19,500
water for them or like getting
food for them and things after

590
00:37:19,500 --> 00:37:24,700
about three weeks of this, she
manages to escape with two of

591
00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:28,700
the other Mullan gang members
from vikram's gang.

592
00:37:29,300 --> 00:37:32,300
And another lower caste villager
who helped her out.

593
00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:39,500
Okay, flan heads out and and
begins finding other Malin and

594
00:37:39,500 --> 00:37:43,500
creating her own gang with a man
by the name of Maan Singh.

595
00:37:44,700 --> 00:37:48,600
He was a member of vikram's
older gang and they begin a

596
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:54,100
series of violent robberies and
north and Central, India, only

597
00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:57,400
targeting the wealthy.
They do not Target any lower

598
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,800
caste Villages here sir.
There are the Bad Robin Hood's.

599
00:38:01,900 --> 00:38:05,600
Well, so here's the thing Indian
officials will say, says say

600
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,600
this is a mess. if but many
other sources say that fool on

601
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,700
shared her wealth from these
attacks with lower caste

602
00:38:12,700 --> 00:38:16,700
villages, And that one makes
more sense to me.

603
00:38:16,700 --> 00:38:19,300
Yeah.
Because later on when there is a

604
00:38:19,300 --> 00:38:24,400
multi-year Manhunt for fool on
nobody can find her.

605
00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:26,900
Oh and I know damn.
Well, somebody knew where she

606
00:38:26,900 --> 00:38:31,400
was but because she had put them
on for so long.

607
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,100
They were like nah, you're good,
you're good.

608
00:38:34,100 --> 00:38:35,500
We got you.
You can hide out in the back

609
00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:37,700
room.
Nice, she protects us know

610
00:38:37,700 --> 00:38:38,300
whatever.
Yep.

611
00:38:38,300 --> 00:38:40,400
No one ever turned around, when
that man had happened, I will

612
00:38:40,408 --> 00:38:43,000
explain to you why, that man
happens in a little bit, okay?

613
00:38:43,100 --> 00:38:52,800
But So this goes on for 17
months of her attacking these

614
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,300
very wealthy tribe.
These very wealthy like Villages

615
00:38:57,300 --> 00:39:04,300
stealing the stuff.
Like doing her Robin Hood thing.

616
00:39:04,700 --> 00:39:12,900
And after about 17 months, she
has this whole gang of lower

617
00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:16,900
caste people around her and they
decide they're going to return

618
00:39:16,900 --> 00:39:25,500
to but my She is looking for the
wrong Brothers on February 14th.

619
00:39:25,700 --> 00:39:31,200
1981 Foolin and her gang show up
dressed like police officers.

620
00:39:32,500 --> 00:39:35,000
The the cores in the village are
actually preparing for a

621
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,800
wedding.
And if you know anything about

622
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,100
Indian weddings, they are
massive community events that

623
00:39:40,100 --> 00:39:41,900
are very lavish and very
beautiful.

624
00:39:41,900 --> 00:39:44,300
So, the entire Community is a
part of this, they're all out.

625
00:39:44,300 --> 00:39:46,400
Getting ready for this wedding.
They basically shut down the

626
00:39:46,408 --> 00:39:48,900
whole town for that Rahul on
does not care.

627
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,100
Okay, she wanted two things.
She requested all of the money

628
00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:57,700
and valuables in the city and
she said bring me Shriram and

629
00:39:58,700 --> 00:40:02,500
follow rum.
Now details of what happened.

630
00:40:02,500 --> 00:40:05,400
Next are a little bit fuzzy.
Some say that because she

631
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,300
couldn't find the wrong
Brothers, she became enraged.

632
00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:13,200
Others say that while she was
looking through the city, she

633
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,700
recognized several of the the
core who had participated in her

634
00:40:17,700 --> 00:40:20,600
apes and had murdered her
husband.

635
00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:25,900
Hmm, what we do know is that one
in Sue's on February 14th is the

636
00:40:25,900 --> 00:40:30,000
largest Massacre by an outlaw in
all of Indian history.

637
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,400
The gang searches, the entire
town at gunpoint and when they

638
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,400
cannot find the ram, the ROM
Brothers, they line up

639
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,300
everything core man in the
village and shoot him.

640
00:40:42,900 --> 00:40:45,300
Many of whom had nothing to do
with her prior assault.

641
00:40:45,300 --> 00:40:47,700
Of course.
At the end of the day, though,

642
00:40:47,700 --> 00:40:52,400
22 men or not.
Later fool on would say she

643
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,500
actually never raised her weapon
that day because she was saving

644
00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:58,200
her bullets for the ROM Brothers
make sense.

645
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,000
And the killings were actually
done by her gang essentially as

646
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,900
a means to kind of uphold her on
her.

647
00:41:06,100 --> 00:41:10,300
Regardless, the police launched
a massive Manhunt after these

648
00:41:10,300 --> 00:41:15,100
Saint Valentine Massacre, they
do refer to it as a Valentine

649
00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:17,200
Massacre.
Only the Indian Saint Valentine

650
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,500
Massacre, okay?
Also, it's also known as the BMI

651
00:41:21,500 --> 00:41:24,100
Massacre.
And remember how I said,

652
00:41:24,100 --> 00:41:27,200
magically none of the lower
caste villagers, never knew

653
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,100
anything about fool ons, we're
about right?

654
00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:33,300
Of course, that's why I think
she must have made all of those

655
00:41:33,300 --> 00:41:36,300
people believe in her based on
the fact that she supported them

656
00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:39,100
financially.
Because no cops ever found her.

657
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:45,100
In fact, the chief minister of
uttar Pradesh, his name was VP

658
00:41:45,100 --> 00:41:48,900
Singh actually resigned in the
wake of the by Massacre.

659
00:41:49,100 --> 00:41:53,000
And this is the point in
history, when the people of

660
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,500
India, begin to call phoolan
Devi.

661
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,000
The Bandit Queen.
I love it so much.

662
00:41:59,700 --> 00:42:02,500
They start making dolls that
look like her.

663
00:42:02,500 --> 00:42:03,800
Oh my god.
Oh, what would?

664
00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:08,100
And the dolls are dressed as a
Hindu goddess Durga.

665
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,100
And they're being sold all over
uttar Pradesh.

666
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,900
Oh my God.
And the Indian media is pretty

667
00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:16,400
much like yeah, this chick is
awesome.

668
00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:19,100
If you honestly, if you go look
at pictures of her right now.

669
00:42:19,100 --> 00:42:22,500
Yeah, they're really cool photos
of her in this.

670
00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:25,800
Like she's got like the the
whole bullet belt across her

671
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,100
chest carrying a rifle.
She looks like a freedom

672
00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:32,000
fighter.
I love it so much.

673
00:42:33,900 --> 00:42:37,300
This media frenzy captures the
attention of the Prime Minister

674
00:42:37,700 --> 00:42:42,500
who requests the help of as many
police as he can to find her.

675
00:42:42,900 --> 00:42:48,000
We're talking thousands of
police have come to our Pradesh

676
00:42:48,700 --> 00:42:53,000
to find her.
They request the help of several

677
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,600
different rival gangs.
Who want to kill her to try and

678
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,100
find her.
And the reason why there was

679
00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:04,800
this political push here is
because foulon had upset the

680
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,500
social order of India.
She was from one of the lowest

681
00:43:08,500 --> 00:43:11,900
castes and she had threatened,
higher caste people, humiliated

682
00:43:11,900 --> 00:43:14,000
them.
And even if she was just a small

683
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,100
town, girl, with a really tiny
gang beside her given, she was

684
00:43:18,100 --> 00:43:21,600
giving the lower caste people
hope that she, that they could

685
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:26,400
rise up and she was a threat to
the upper caste how dare she?

686
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:31,200
Hmm.
It's interesting because when

687
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,900
you look at other other
materials upper caste people

688
00:43:34,900 --> 00:43:38,900
write about her as if she is.
This ruthless villain who

689
00:43:38,900 --> 00:43:41,200
murdered a man on his wedding
day.

690
00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:47,600
But for millions of The
Untouchables in India fool on,

691
00:43:47,700 --> 00:43:53,500
is this badass gun-slinging
bandana, where an outlaw who was

692
00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:58,600
a goddess among humans, hmm.
I love it.

693
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:03,800
I love it so much.
So by 1983 this man hunts been

694
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,700
going on for two years.
Mmm the police cannot find her

695
00:44:07,900 --> 00:44:11,100
the rival.
Gangs cannot find her the Bandit

696
00:44:11,100 --> 00:44:18,100
king and queen is elusive but
for flan She is exhausted,

697
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,900
imagine running around, she's 30
years old, but she feels much

698
00:44:23,900 --> 00:44:28,600
older than her time.
Many of the people who have been

699
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,400
riding with her throughout this
process.

700
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,200
Now, roughly almost four years.
There are a lot of them are dead

701
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:41,200
or they're just exhausted.
So, she reaches out to a

702
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,000
gandhian.
Peace activist.

703
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,800
Who reached who reached out on
her behalf to the government and

704
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:53,900
they negotiate a surrender, she
agrees, she'll surrender

705
00:44:54,100 --> 00:44:59,600
February 1983.
But I have some conditions, of

706
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:05,000
course, first she says, I don't
trust any police or politician

707
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,600
in uttar Pradesh.
So I'm going to surrender myself

708
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,900
to the madhya Pradesh police,
which is nearby State.

709
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,900
Then she says, I will only lay
down my guns and front of a

710
00:45:15,908 --> 00:45:18,200
picture of Mahatma Gandhi and
goddess.

711
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,600
Durga dr.
Police there you go.

712
00:45:21,500 --> 00:45:24,400
Then she tells them you can have
my surrender.

713
00:45:25,900 --> 00:45:30,800
If death penalty is off the
table, none of my gang members

714
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,700
will be jailed for longer than
eight years.

715
00:45:34,300 --> 00:45:40,100
I want the plot of land that my
uncle stole return to my family,

716
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:47,800
who owned that?
Oh my God, I think wait, so it's

717
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:55,100
1983 and she was born in Oh God,
1963.

718
00:45:55,100 --> 00:45:56,800
No, she's actually.
So it's 20.

719
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,700
She's 20 years old 20.
It's been like, okay, okay, I

720
00:46:00,707 --> 00:46:05,000
mean like Grudge, 10 years.
It's been 10 years.

721
00:46:05,100 --> 00:46:11,700
Oh my God.
When she's 20 years old been 10

722
00:46:11,700 --> 00:46:16,800
years and she's like I want the
plot of land that my uncle stole

723
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:22,400
from my family returned right
now and you can have me go right

724
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,500
ahead and then she says my
brother needs job.

725
00:46:25,500 --> 00:46:28,100
So get him a job in the
government needs to provide for

726
00:46:28,107 --> 00:46:33,100
his family.
I love it.

727
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:43,200
Oh my god, this is my issue.
And she actually hated it and

728
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:48,800
she threatens like armor self in
public if they didn't remove it.

729
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,500
Oh damn.
They ended up giving her a

730
00:46:50,500 --> 00:46:53,300
settlement over it but like I
feel like we should do a modern

731
00:46:53,300 --> 00:46:55,700
movie about her.
Definitely.

732
00:46:55,700 --> 00:46:59,900
Oh my God, not like a Bollywood,
like know any dancing and

733
00:46:59,900 --> 00:47:03,200
singing in this film know you
miss needs to be like a real

734
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,000
hardcore tail.
Oh yeah.

735
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,000
Oh my God.
I'd love to see that.

736
00:47:07,300 --> 00:47:09,900
Absolutely like, what it Create
love.

737
00:47:09,900 --> 00:47:12,000
Just listen.
But either way, considering the

738
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,800
government hasn't caught her,
they're like fine, whatever will

739
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:19,300
give you what you ask for it.
So finally, after 10 years and

740
00:47:19,300 --> 00:47:26,100
many bodies and her, humiliating
wealthy people and just love is

741
00:47:26,100 --> 00:47:28,500
stealing from the rich and
giving to the poor.

742
00:47:28,500 --> 00:47:33,300
She manages to get the whole 15
Eggers, her father's desires.

743
00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:36,200
Thank you, turn to him.
Good job.

744
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:41,100
Good job.
So the the gandhian, peace

745
00:47:41,100 --> 00:47:45,900
activists, let's a police chief
know where she is.

746
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:51,300
He arrives at their hiding place
which is in the Trumbull

747
00:47:51,300 --> 00:47:55,200
Ravines, he meets her and the
Gang mates.

748
00:47:56,700 --> 00:47:58,800
And they walk to the city of
Bend.

749
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,400
There is a crowd of roughly
10,000 people, and 300 unarmed

750
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,700
police officers, and the chief
minister of madhya Pradesh.

751
00:48:06,700 --> 00:48:11,300
His name is Arjun Singh.
And they all watch her as she

752
00:48:11,300 --> 00:48:14,500
puts down her guns in front of
two gigantic, portraits of

753
00:48:14,500 --> 00:48:18,900
Gandhi and the goddess, Durga.
And then they all surrender

754
00:48:18,900 --> 00:48:24,000
themselves.
And this is where a real big

755
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,200
circus starts.
Oh no, come on for longest

756
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:33,800
charged with a total of 48
crimes, 30 of them are dacoity

757
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,100
which is just straight banditry
thing.

758
00:48:36,100 --> 00:48:39,100
She did, while she was lead, the
gang, you said three of them 30

759
00:48:39,100 --> 00:48:42,200
charge.
Okay, she also gets charged with

760
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:46,900
kidnapping and the wheels of
Justice seem to be working but

761
00:48:46,900 --> 00:48:50,900
they grind to a halt.
Now, that fool on is in prison.

762
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,200
The former the Our gang members
and all of her other enemies,

763
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,800
begin filing cases against her
requesting trial, after trial

764
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,100
that keep her original case from
being ever handled.

765
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,700
It was, it was like, they found
a weird loophole where they

766
00:49:06,700 --> 00:49:10,800
could keep her in the system as
long as another Rich, the core

767
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,900
popped up and charged her with
something ridiculous.

768
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,300
Hate them now, and the problem
is, even though her family had

769
00:49:16,300 --> 00:49:18,500
gotten their land back, they
didn't really have money for

770
00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:22,000
proper legal representation, and
the prime minister.

771
00:49:22,300 --> 00:49:26,400
Really Indira Gandhi had been
assassinated shortly after her

772
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,000
capture.
So the whole government was

773
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:33,800
going through a new process of
new people being in power and

774
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,200
things of that nature and this
continues.

775
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:42,900
Now mind you she was she
surrounded herself in 1983, this

776
00:49:42,900 --> 00:49:49,400
goes on for 11 years.
With her being in a legal.

777
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,800
I don't know what would you call
it Purgatory on.

778
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:57,200
Yeah.
And then in 1994 a new prime

779
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:01,900
minister gets elected who is
also of a lower caste and he

780
00:50:01,900 --> 00:50:04,900
just goes this is absolutely
ridiculous that y'all are still

781
00:50:04,900 --> 00:50:08,100
doing this and he actually just
outright pardons her.

782
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,800
Yes he said screw it.
Yes you did nothing wrong,

783
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,300
fantastic full-on.
I love this.

784
00:50:14,700 --> 00:50:17,200
Look like Wait, this is a murder
story.

785
00:50:17,500 --> 00:50:19,300
It is because I love her so
much.

786
00:50:19,300 --> 00:50:22,500
She did Kill like 27 or so 22
people.

787
00:50:22,500 --> 00:50:23,500
Yeah.
But he's our man right?

788
00:50:23,500 --> 00:50:31,100
Yes.
Okay, I mean I mean what I love

789
00:50:31,100 --> 00:50:35,800
this so much.
Okay, so it's it's 94 and she's

790
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,300
free but jail has been very
hard.

791
00:50:42,100 --> 00:50:48,100
I mean, now she's 31 and what
she finds that as she's been

792
00:50:48,100 --> 00:50:52,900
released back into Indian
Society, she still very much a

793
00:50:52,900 --> 00:50:56,400
beloved figure among the masses.
It's almost a little bit of a

794
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:01,100
like the reason why I like when
she says she called herself an

795
00:51:01,107 --> 00:51:06,000
international Legend, there was
a lot of Legend and and all

796
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,600
about her at this point and she
thinks about it for those next

797
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,800
two years and then she decides.
Well, what I'm going to do with

798
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:18,800
all of this social Alive somehow
earned over the last 10 years is

799
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:25,000
I'm going to run for Parliament.
And she runs on the platform of

800
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:29,900
speaking for The Untouchables,
and for women, there you go.

801
00:51:29,900 --> 00:51:33,900
Yes, because women have very
little political representation.

802
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,900
Actually, and she wins and that
1996 election.

803
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,000
And after she was elected, she
gets interviewed by a western

804
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,200
journalist who talks to her
about, like, you know, the fact

805
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,600
that she was sexually assaulted
and this is what she said, it's

806
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:52,300
a direct quote, you can call it
rape in your fancy language.

807
00:51:52,500 --> 00:51:54,700
Do you have any idea what it's
like to live in a village in

808
00:51:54,707 --> 00:51:56,500
India?
What you call rape?

809
00:51:56,500 --> 00:51:58,800
That kind of thing happens to
poor women in The Villages

810
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,400
everyday.
It is assumed that the daughters

811
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,600
of the poor are for the use of
the rich.

812
00:52:03,900 --> 00:52:07,100
They Zoom that we're their
property in The Villages.

813
00:52:07,100 --> 00:52:10,700
The poor have no, toilets.
So we must go to the fields and

814
00:52:10,700 --> 00:52:13,100
the moment we arrived, the rich
Laius there.

815
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,900
We can't got the grass or tend
to our crops without being

816
00:52:15,900 --> 00:52:19,100
accosted by them.
We are the property of the rich.

817
00:52:19,100 --> 00:52:21,100
They wouldn't let us live in
peace.

818
00:52:22,100 --> 00:52:25,600
You will never understand what
kind of humiliation that is if

819
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:29,200
they wanted to rape us molest us
and our families objected, then

820
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,500
they drape us in front of our
families.

821
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,900
That was the life that she was
born into.

822
00:52:41,900 --> 00:52:47,900
Yeah, and unfortunately, in
certain rural areas of India,

823
00:52:47,900 --> 00:52:52,200
even today.
That is stuff that happens,

824
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,100
obviously, not all that, a huge
section of India is very

825
00:52:56,500 --> 00:52:59,600
tech-savvy.
I mean, they people have very

826
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,300
Advanced degrees, huge science,
but it's a country where you

827
00:53:03,300 --> 00:53:06,400
have huge cities with
technological leaps and

828
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,400
advancements and then you have
rural.

829
00:53:08,500 --> 00:53:11,800
Cities that are very very small.
Whee whee whee whee whee whee

830
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,400
out in the middle of nowhere.
Right?

831
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,200
Right.
Where there's very little

832
00:53:17,300 --> 00:53:20,400
protection.
Like there isn't even a police

833
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,200
department in some of these
small villages, so it becomes

834
00:53:24,900 --> 00:53:28,100
the will of the people.
I remember, I believe I remember

835
00:53:28,100 --> 00:53:30,500
a couple years ago reading a
story about a woman who was

836
00:53:30,500 --> 00:53:35,300
sexually assaulted and she'd be
headed the man who raped her and

837
00:53:35,300 --> 00:53:39,900
she walked into the town like
the Of town holding his head and

838
00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:43,100
being like, here you go.
This is my honor and she like

839
00:53:43,100 --> 00:53:44,500
threw his head in the middle of
town.

840
00:53:45,300 --> 00:53:48,200
She did get apprehended but I
still applaud her right.

841
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,200
Absolutely.
I mean, hey, she got arrested

842
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,500
for murder but I'm like, I mean
really.

843
00:53:54,700 --> 00:53:58,200
She defended herself.
Exactly should have stayed out

844
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:02,100
of my Hut.
Is that a pun?

845
00:54:02,900 --> 00:54:04,300
No, I'm just saying you should
stay down.

846
00:54:04,900 --> 00:54:09,200
Okay.
I was about to say, Hung up on

847
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,500
making around here other thing,
I don't make puns, that's you,

848
00:54:12,900 --> 00:54:16,900
but like full-on had a very
solid social justice philosophy.

849
00:54:16,900 --> 00:54:21,900
Actually, she believed in Gandhi
Buddha, Jesus Durga, and a man,

850
00:54:21,900 --> 00:54:26,700
by the name of Bob Mayo,
ambedkar embed car.

851
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,500
He was an Indian politician who
campaigned for social reform,

852
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,000
and he also campaigned against
discrimination of The

853
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,600
Untouchables as well.
She lost her seat.

854
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,000
Parliament in 98 and I got it
right back a year later.

855
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,600
Nice.
She actually she lived in a

856
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,200
modest home and she did get
married again.

857
00:54:47,900 --> 00:54:50,200
Strangely enough.
She did meet somebody whose

858
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:54,600
ideals lined up with hers and
supported her in her political

859
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:55,600
career.
Okay.

860
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,500
No, I hate the way you're
speaking because it sounds like

861
00:54:59,508 --> 00:55:03,700
you're talking the past tense.
Like she's not around anymore

862
00:55:03,900 --> 00:55:06,000
because she isn't and we're
getting into that point now.

863
00:55:06,100 --> 00:55:12,000
Uh-huh.
Flan was never unaware that she

864
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,800
had many, many enemies.
She had a dog at home.

865
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,800
She had guards who accompanied
her whenever she left her house,

866
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:23,200
she wore a bulletproof vest any
time she left home, and she

867
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,800
carried an end, an Enfield
rifle, and a bandolier full of

868
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:31,800
ammo on her at all times, but
unfortunately, you can't hide

869
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,400
forever.
And she not only had the core

870
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,800
enemies still from the bomb.
I Massacre.

871
00:55:37,900 --> 00:55:40,000
Her.
But she had gained new enemies

872
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,000
as a politician because of her
political views.

873
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,000
That lower caste Indian citizens
deserved rights too.

874
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:52,800
On July 26th 2001.
At the age of 37, Three, masked.

875
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:57,400
Gunmen attacked full on outside
of her Bungalow and Delhi India.

876
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,400
She was hit nine times in the
head chest shoulders, and right

877
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,000
arm, her personal security
guard, did his best returning,

878
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,100
fire taking several shots, to
the chest and arm as well.

879
00:56:10,300 --> 00:56:13,400
He did a good job though because
the gunman actually abandoned

880
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,500
their car.
So he must have shot something

881
00:56:15,500 --> 00:56:19,900
on it to make it stop, right?
And they got on auto rickshaw

882
00:56:19,900 --> 00:56:24,200
and kept going.
They had a plan, they had a

883
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,900
like, they had a plan, a, and
they had a plan B for if the car

884
00:56:28,900 --> 00:56:33,700
got destroyed in the process.
The police later, recovered

885
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:38,100
Webley & Scott pistol, several
improvised like homemade

886
00:56:38,100 --> 00:56:43,700
firearms in their car, several
revolvers 9, empty rounds and 15

887
00:56:43,700 --> 00:56:47,400
live rounds which proves that
the shots came from the car.

888
00:56:47,500 --> 00:56:50,300
Are you okay?
They were hiding within the car

889
00:56:50,300 --> 00:56:55,200
to shoot her.
She was rushed to the rum

890
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:59,500
manohar, lohia hospital but she
was pronounced Dead on Arrival.

891
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:04,800
And the prime suspect was a man
by the name of Sher Singh Rana

892
00:57:05,500 --> 00:57:08,700
and he did eventually surrender
himself to the police.

893
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:14,400
He claimed that this was revenge
for the my Massacre and was

894
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:19,400
sentenced to life in prison,
August of 2014 which also lets

895
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,400
you another cuz member this
happened in 2001.

896
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,200
Yeah it took 13 years to get him
to trial.

897
00:57:25,300 --> 00:57:29,900
Oh my God.
It was a violent death.

898
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,300
For a woman whose life was full
of violence.

899
00:57:33,300 --> 00:57:38,300
Yeah, it almost seems kind of
balanced but still very wrong.

900
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,800
Now, I'm sad.
Yeah, she just she lived in a

901
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,300
really ruthless time that called
for lawlessness.

902
00:57:44,300 --> 00:57:46,600
Yeah.
She single-handedly, gave the

903
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:50,800
middle finger to one of the
oldest stratification, systems

904
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,500
in existence, by herself
suffering.

905
00:57:54,500 --> 00:57:58,000
Repeatedly in the process, I,
it's kind of interesting, like,

906
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,000
I was, as I was writing this.
I was just thinking about that

907
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,700
line from Pulp Fiction that Sam
Jackson says, you know, I will

908
00:58:03,700 --> 00:58:07,600
strike down upon thee with great
Vengeance and Furious anger.

909
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:11,900
Those who attempt to poison and
destroy my brothers, like flan

910
00:58:11,900 --> 00:58:16,400
de Vie.
Was that righteous anger and and

911
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,000
sometimes Vengeance she really
was.

912
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:20,800
Oh my God.
No, and I think she just

913
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:25,500
improved, she just proved that.
Sometimes that is the only way

914
00:58:25,500 --> 00:58:30,500
to get things done.
Oh my God, I can't pretend to

915
00:58:30,700 --> 00:58:38,600
Then I can't even like fathom
growing up in a place where a

916
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:44,100
stray dog had more rights than a
woman but damn it, if she didn't

917
00:58:44,100 --> 00:58:52,500
give it her best shot, the
majority of this was researched,

918
00:58:52,500 --> 00:58:55,700
what this is based off of the
Bandit queen of India and Indian

919
00:58:55,700 --> 00:58:58,700
woman's amazing journey from
peasant to International legend

920
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:03,300
by phoolan Devi.
She marie-therese CUNY and Paul

921
00:59:03,300 --> 00:59:08,500
room, Bali and interestingly
enough she didn't ever learn how

922
00:59:08,500 --> 00:59:11,500
to read which is why she need
people to help her write her

923
00:59:11,500 --> 00:59:13,200
autobiography but still
impressive.

924
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,200
That's a big Stone, beautiful
lengthy but I need his book.

925
00:59:19,300 --> 00:59:21,100
Yeah, I was like this is it easy
thing to pick up from the

926
00:59:21,100 --> 00:59:24,600
library but I'm gonna get me a
copy myself to have.

927
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:29,400
Definitely.
Yeah like I said because she

928
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,700
didn't agree with the movie
about her life that came out in

929
00:59:32,700 --> 00:59:35,000
the 90s.
I don't think I'll be watching

930
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,100
that one, right?
Yeah, this is just less than

931
00:59:38,100 --> 00:59:40,400
anybody from Hollywood.
If you are listening, this is

932
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:41,900
the story.
I know we have a lot of

933
00:59:41,900 --> 00:59:46,700
California listeners so this is
the story if you are looking to

934
00:59:46,700 --> 00:59:50,500
get your first.
Script accepted.

935
00:59:50,500 --> 00:59:55,100
This is the one do it again.
Bonus.

936
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,200
The whole cast would have to be
from India.

937
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,100
So we get inclusivity.
Let's please.

938
01:00:01,100 --> 01:00:03,700
Oh my God, there's got to be an
Indian director.

939
01:00:03,700 --> 01:00:06,200
Who wants to make this their
first major film?

940
01:00:06,300 --> 01:00:08,700
I just, can I just say how much
I love?

941
01:00:08,900 --> 01:00:11,200
I mean, I said it a few times
already what you're telling the

942
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,900
story.
I fucking love this story.

943
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:16,700
Ended, like I wish you were
still alive.

944
01:00:16,700 --> 01:00:18,900
We like, hey, let's go.
Visit India.

945
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,100
No.
Oh my God I love.

946
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,400
Oh, oh, Brittany.
He gave me a gift today.

947
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,200
I'd like I said as soon as like
as soon as I saw that title, the

948
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,900
book I was like, oh remember
when I texted you and I just

949
01:00:33,900 --> 01:00:36,300
like, I found my person for this
week.

950
01:00:36,700 --> 01:00:40,700
I know who I'm talking about and
like thing is I only read like

951
01:00:40,700 --> 01:00:42,800
The cursory little bubble on the
book.

952
01:00:43,100 --> 01:00:47,000
Like what I read, I was like, oh
this is great cuz I there was

953
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:48,900
nothing where I was like this is
wonderful.

954
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,700
Awful.
Yeah, I love that.

955
01:00:51,700 --> 01:00:53,100
Thank you.
Thank you very much.

956
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:57,000
Yeah, as a guy, I feel better
for knowing about phoolan Devi.

957
01:01:01,300 --> 01:01:03,900
Okay.
Now I do want to say now that I

958
01:01:03,900 --> 01:01:07,200
like I did love that story
immensely.

959
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,500
Oh my fucking God, I love this
story so much.

960
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:12,800
I'm not going to backtrack
anything.

961
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:19,000
I said, by the way, I just want
to say that to any of the men

962
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:25,000
that are listening.
I'm like, I'm not sorry, but if

963
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:30,000
you assault a woman and you
expect no consequences to happen

964
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:34,400
to you, Or like you expect me
like no repercussions from your

965
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,000
actions and you know what, the
only downside is that I couldn't

966
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,000
find out what happened to the
ROM Brothers.

967
01:01:40,100 --> 01:01:41,700
Yeah.
Where did y'all go?

968
01:01:41,900 --> 01:01:44,400
Because foulon was looking for
you.

969
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,500
She was ready.
She had a bullet with your name

970
01:01:48,500 --> 01:01:51,200
on it and she had two boys.
By the way, to boys are here,

971
01:01:51,300 --> 01:01:53,800
your name is on it as looking.
I was like, where did where

972
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,300
these two guys go.
They just disappeared into the

973
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:01,400
history books but yeah, like
like I a bird. 84.

974
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:05,400
What would you say?
What would, what would you call

975
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,000
this?
Like like treating, like treat

976
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,000
women?
Like they're people.

977
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,200
Oh, yeah.
Not like they're less than you.

978
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,700
Like if you're a man, they were
male, whatever.

979
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,500
What's the interesting thing is
that, we look at a place like

980
01:02:19,700 --> 01:02:22,700
India or like rural India, where
these things happen or even, you

981
01:02:22,707 --> 01:02:25,900
know, 30 years ago, what
happened to phoolan Devi?

982
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:28,700
Like and we, of course, I'm sure
there were people who listen to

983
01:02:28,707 --> 01:02:31,600
us and they will go well, it's
what we live.

984
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:33,100
So, we're so Much better than
that.

985
01:02:33,100 --> 01:02:34,300
No, the fuck.
You're not known.

986
01:02:34,300 --> 01:02:35,800
The fuck were not.
We're not, we're not.

987
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,100
We're count to like, 10 to
women.

988
01:02:39,100 --> 01:02:40,900
Have been sexually assaulted in
America.

989
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,500
Women are children.
That's how Frampton it is.

990
01:02:45,500 --> 01:02:51,700
It's just not.
Nobody like I guess it's like

991
01:02:51,700 --> 01:02:54,700
it's a thing that's hidden.
Yeah, a lot of it is.

992
01:02:54,700 --> 01:02:56,700
Yeah.
And also it's a thing that's

993
01:02:56,700 --> 01:02:58,600
shameful for the person that it
happens to you.

994
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:02,200
We're still not in a place where
people can be honest about their

995
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:03,800
sexual assaults.
Exactly.

996
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,600
And it's like, if you bring it
up in a court.

997
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,100
Oh yeah, you don't remember all
this stuff you're obviously

998
01:03:08,100 --> 01:03:11,300
lying know.
Is it's because I was drugged,

999
01:03:11,300 --> 01:03:13,400
okay?
Or this other situations.

1000
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,400
Like there's been situations
that I've been involved in where

1001
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:20,900
it was, it could have been that.
And no one wants to discuss it.

1002
01:03:20,900 --> 01:03:25,100
There's trauma related to.
Well I'll just be honest because

1003
01:03:25,100 --> 01:03:28,800
that's kind of where we are.
And this is the environment that

1004
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,800
we've created.
I had a friend who I knew from

1005
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,800
college and I had an apartment
in Philadelphia, this was years

1006
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:39,400
later and he was a lawyer and he
would get drunk sometimes and I

1007
01:03:39,408 --> 01:03:42,200
had an extra bedroom in my
apartment and sometimes my other

1008
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,800
roommate would be there.
One of the girls had moved out

1009
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:48,100
and so I had a guy roommate and
it was just me and some Times,

1010
01:03:48,100 --> 01:03:49,800
he wouldn't be there.
But either way I would let him

1011
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,700
use the extra room multiple
times.

1012
01:03:52,700 --> 01:03:57,400
This happened loads of times and
then one night, you know,

1013
01:03:57,700 --> 01:04:00,100
brought a man, he's drunk, let
him sleep on that leftover

1014
01:04:00,100 --> 01:04:02,000
mattress that had been there
from our old roommate.

1015
01:04:02,500 --> 01:04:05,300
And I looked up and he was
standing in my doorway and he

1016
01:04:05,300 --> 01:04:06,900
was butt naked.
Oh no.

1017
01:04:07,500 --> 01:04:10,300
And he kept trying to climb into
my bed with me.

1018
01:04:10,900 --> 01:04:14,100
And when I was like, whoa!
He was just like no, come on,

1019
01:04:14,100 --> 01:04:17,300
come on.
And like I have a very vivid

1020
01:04:17,300 --> 01:04:21,100
memory of Of me kicking him in
the junk in the middle of the

1021
01:04:21,100 --> 01:04:22,700
dark.
And then I also remember saying

1022
01:04:22,700 --> 01:04:25,000
to him one of us is going to die
tonight.

1023
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:30,000
If you keep going this route And
he stopped and he thought about

1024
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,900
it and he left, he slammed my
door and which I immediately

1025
01:04:33,900 --> 01:04:37,600
locked it he went back to the
other room I guess and got

1026
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:39,900
dressed and then he went
downstairs and he because I was

1027
01:04:39,900 --> 01:04:43,000
like a like a walkway down to
get to the door, to the

1028
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:46,300
apartment slam that door too.
And then I ran downstairs and I

1029
01:04:46,300 --> 01:04:49,600
like lock that door and I put
the slide lock on it and I

1030
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:51,500
texted some of our mutual
friends and I was like he

1031
01:04:51,500 --> 01:04:55,000
crossed a line, we're not
friends anymore, don't talk to

1032
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:58,800
me about him, you know.
Weird sort of kind of hilarious

1033
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:05,200
situation that happened.
I got invited to a party that he

1034
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:07,800
was going to be at and it was,
you know, mutual friends and I

1035
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:12,000
just said it's, so I'm so going
to be there and my friend was

1036
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,100
like, yeah.
And I was like, yeah, I won't be

1037
01:05:14,100 --> 01:05:15,300
coming.
And she's like, what happened

1038
01:05:15,300 --> 01:05:17,300
between you two?
And I just like he crossed the

1039
01:05:17,300 --> 01:05:21,000
line, he violated a barrier for
me and I just don't want to be

1040
01:05:21,008 --> 01:05:24,400
around him ever again right now.
A lot of people will say, Hey,

1041
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,700
you know, why didn't you?
That was an attempted assault.

1042
01:05:26,700 --> 01:05:28,600
And I'm like, What's anybody
going to do?

1043
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:31,000
Nothing bat nothing actually
happened.

1044
01:05:31,300 --> 01:05:33,200
That's another barrier.
We have in the states.

1045
01:05:33,500 --> 01:05:35,400
No one was going to take that
seriously.

1046
01:05:35,500 --> 01:05:38,100
It was just, you know.
Yeah, I'm drunk guy trying to

1047
01:05:38,107 --> 01:05:42,500
climb in my bed, but here's
where his intention was real

1048
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:47,000
because he went to that party
and my friend being the nosy

1049
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:50,500
person that she is, was just
like what happened between you

1050
01:05:50,500 --> 01:05:53,400
and Brittany.
And he was just like, oh, what

1051
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:55,200
did she say that?
I like tried to rape her

1052
01:05:55,200 --> 01:06:01,700
something and Everyone at the
party was like, no, but did you

1053
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:07,800
obviously you fucking did.
So he very much outed himself to

1054
01:06:08,100 --> 01:06:12,200
my friend group in that regard
and then everybody stop talking

1055
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,700
to him too.
But that let me know that that

1056
01:06:14,700 --> 01:06:17,300
was the intention.
Because in my head, you know,

1057
01:06:17,300 --> 01:06:21,200
you think about that as somebody
who's through a situation like

1058
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:24,400
oh maybe he didn't, you know,
mean that maybe he was just

1059
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,100
drunk or whatever.
Nah, he knew what he was doing.

1060
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,900
Yeah, the whole time.
Maybe even before then, maybe

1061
01:06:30,900 --> 01:06:35,700
that there was a slow plan to
slowly work his way up to two

1062
01:06:35,700 --> 01:06:37,400
what he did.
You know what I mean?

1063
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:43,900
And so that's But everybody, I
know has a story like this so we

1064
01:06:43,900 --> 01:06:48,300
can't look at any other culture
and point fingers and say, they

1065
01:06:48,300 --> 01:06:51,900
are worse than us everybody.
I know has a story like this.

1066
01:06:51,900 --> 01:06:53,400
Yeah.
I'm not saying I'm not saying

1067
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,000
that India's words there
anywhere.

1068
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:56,100
No.
I'm just saying to the people

1069
01:06:56,100 --> 01:06:57,300
listening.
Please don't.

1070
01:06:57,300 --> 01:06:58,200
Oh, yeah.
No.

1071
01:06:59,100 --> 01:07:04,200
I'm saying every man in the
world or any every, like, every

1072
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:05,700
woman in the world, has a story
like this.

1073
01:07:05,700 --> 01:07:08,900
Yeah.
So many people of all genders of

1074
01:07:08,900 --> 01:07:13,100
all.
All ages working in education,

1075
01:07:13,300 --> 01:07:19,700
we do a fair amount of training
on child sexual assault and it

1076
01:07:19,700 --> 01:07:22,900
is very rampant when it with an
American society.

1077
01:07:23,500 --> 01:07:27,200
I believe the current number is
25 percent of all children

1078
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:30,800
before the ages of 18 will be
assaulted and that's the lowest.

1079
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:36,100
It's been in like 50 years, it
used to be worse.

1080
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:47,400
It gives me no hope. hope almost
no hope for the so this is, this

1081
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:51,800
is the world that we live in and
we have to make Yeah.

1082
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:56,400
And best choices and do the best
for ourselves that we can.

1083
01:07:56,400 --> 01:08:01,100
But in please, this is why I
can't feel bad for anybody who's

1084
01:08:01,100 --> 01:08:03,300
been a victim of any of these
sort of things.

1085
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:07,400
If you've watched The Tick-Tock,
and you've heard me say that I

1086
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:09,700
empathize with Aileen wuornos,
that's why?

1087
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:13,700
Absolutely?
Because I and so many of the

1088
01:08:13,700 --> 01:08:16,300
people who I know and care about
have been in positions like

1089
01:08:16,300 --> 01:08:18,800
that.
I cannot like, I understand

1090
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:25,899
that, not all of the people, She
killed were rapists, but the

1091
01:08:25,899 --> 01:08:29,700
first one was, and the other
ones were people who were

1092
01:08:29,700 --> 01:08:35,100
treating her like that one.
So it wasn't a short line for

1093
01:08:35,108 --> 01:08:37,800
them to cross if, you know, if
she let them cross that line.

1094
01:08:37,899 --> 01:08:43,399
Yeah, so yeah, I will always
full on DVD Aileen.

1095
01:08:43,399 --> 01:08:47,800
Wuornos other women who avenged
their assaults.

1096
01:08:48,700 --> 01:08:51,000
You got my support.
Absolutely mine too.

1097
01:08:51,100 --> 01:08:52,800
Who are you?
That's why I love this story.

1098
01:09:06,700 --> 01:09:09,700
Huh?
And it's still women's history

1099
01:09:09,700 --> 01:09:12,100
month.
It is and I'm so glad you did a

1100
01:09:12,100 --> 01:09:14,399
story from whence it.
That's why it's a gift as well.

1101
01:09:15,700 --> 01:09:17,700
I'm not gonna lie, I love that,
love that, love it.

1102
01:09:17,899 --> 01:09:24,200
Alright, so now, I guess we're
getting into my part of the

1103
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:27,600
segment.
Okay.

1104
01:09:27,899 --> 01:09:35,500
Well, this week and next week
and Hopefully not any longer

1105
01:09:35,500 --> 01:09:37,399
than that.
I'm going to try to keep it down

1106
01:09:37,399 --> 01:09:39,500
to this these two episodes.
Okay?

1107
01:09:39,500 --> 01:09:43,600
Because there's a lot I want to
talk about but then I'm like I

1108
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,000
don't know how much I would like
to stress is out too.

1109
01:09:46,100 --> 01:09:52,600
So Mmm.
I'll be talking about something

1110
01:09:53,500 --> 01:09:57,700
that no one asked for, but guess
what are you gonna get it?

1111
01:09:58,300 --> 01:10:01,900
What did no one else all right?
Talking about their paranormal

1112
01:10:01,900 --> 01:10:05,400
investigators.
The beautiful couple.

1113
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:12,300
And Marine one.
I love the read Warren.

1114
01:10:13,100 --> 01:10:17,400
Yes so much.
I was so sad when she finally

1115
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,300
passed.
Yes last year.

1116
01:10:19,300 --> 01:10:24,600
No no listen, I'm not Atlas it's
just it's all about.

1117
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:27,100
It's always been about Lorraine
for me by the time.

1118
01:10:27,100 --> 01:10:30,300
I even learned who she was her
husband was already gone, but

1119
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:39,700
Yeah, unfortunately, like I
started watching go shows and I

1120
01:10:39,700 --> 01:10:43,900
saw her helping some of the
different shows.

1121
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:48,100
Yes, using her abilities there.
So and then I was like, wait a

1122
01:10:48,100 --> 01:10:51,300
second, that sounds familiar.
And then I realized that I had

1123
01:10:51,300 --> 01:10:54,800
read The Amityville Horror book
since I already knew them, I

1124
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:56,800
just didn't make the connection
until I was a little older.

1125
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:01,500
Okay, okay.
Well, I wanted to just talk

1126
01:11:01,500 --> 01:11:07,900
about Lorraine of course, but
You can't talk about one.

1127
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,000
This is great.
We're talking about the other.

1128
01:11:10,300 --> 01:11:15,100
I gave you a gift and now you
are giving me a gift.

1129
01:11:15,100 --> 01:11:17,600
Yes.
Of my favorite paranormal

1130
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:19,400
couple.
There we go.

1131
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:22,100
So yeah.
So you can't talk about one

1132
01:11:22,100 --> 01:11:25,200
without talking about the other.
So I'll be talking about them

1133
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:31,300
both in this to two-part.
Episode two-part episode,

1134
01:11:31,300 --> 01:11:34,200
possibly two parts, hopefully
not anymore.

1135
01:11:34,300 --> 01:11:35,500
I'm trying to keep it down into
parts.

1136
01:11:36,700 --> 01:11:38,800
Hmm.
So I'm still going to try to

1137
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:40,900
focus on Lorraine for the most
part of this though.

1138
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:45,000
So for these two parts, I'm
going to start out by for this

1139
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:48,500
first part, what their
background, you know, where they

1140
01:11:48,500 --> 01:11:52,800
started.
And then I do a little bit of a

1141
01:11:53,800 --> 01:12:00,800
touch on, I guess, their
research on ghosts and for the

1142
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:07,500
next episode I will be covering
all not Or cases, but most of

1143
01:12:07,500 --> 01:12:10,500
their cases, including some
other famous ones that they've

1144
01:12:10,500 --> 01:12:16,700
done Annabelle in Amityville
Horror, you know, interval as

1145
01:12:16,700 --> 01:12:20,200
well, but the real Annabelle.
Not the not on the Lorry in the

1146
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:21,800
movie.
No, not that one.

1147
01:12:21,900 --> 01:12:25,700
No, we're not doing Conjuring
the country's a real story.

1148
01:12:25,700 --> 01:12:26,400
Okay.
Yeah.

1149
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:30,900
Annabelle doll is different from
how they portray crack shit?

1150
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:34,700
They portrayed Annabelle
correctly in the The Conjuring

1151
01:12:34,700 --> 01:12:37,400
story.
It's the Subsequent sequels that

1152
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:40,000
have nothing to do with the
spin-off sequel.

1153
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,300
That's okay.
So, I'm not talking about that.

1154
01:12:42,300 --> 01:12:45,200
They don't talk about the fact
that it's not the doll in the

1155
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:47,700
movie because they couldn't get
the rights to put the real doll.

1156
01:12:47,700 --> 01:12:49,800
Yeah.
I mean, actual movie really

1157
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:51,700
regularly?
Yeah, Raggedy Ann, would not

1158
01:12:51,700 --> 01:12:55,200
agree, but was it Metallo or one
of those companies would not

1159
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:57,700
agree to put the dolls in the
film.

1160
01:12:58,200 --> 01:12:59,400
So they had to come up with that
ugly.

1161
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:01,500
Want to tarnish our name.
Pretty much.

1162
01:13:01,500 --> 01:13:03,400
I mean, you gotta hold it dog,
eyes.

1163
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:05,100
I mean, you can't really fight
that.

1164
01:13:05,900 --> 01:13:09,000
Hey, but I'm so here for this.
Yes, thank you.

1165
01:13:09,300 --> 01:13:10,300
You're welcome.
No problem.

1166
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:14,000
Um, but every second part going
to do all their did you see

1167
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:20,100
ghosts invent investigations?
So I can start design with

1168
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,800
without mentioning one.
One big source for this story.

1169
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:28,800
The book I was waiting, like, I
guess like a week for the come,

1170
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:30,700
right.
It was like super delayed.

1171
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,800
Yes, it was.
It's the demonologist.

1172
01:13:34,100 --> 01:13:40,200
Ah, yeah.
Because at is the only non

1173
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:43,800
priest demonologist in
existence, right?

1174
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:44,700
Yeah.
Yeah.

1175
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:49,200
He was given permission by the
Vatican to continue doing

1176
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,500
exorcisms.
Yeah, even though he was not

1177
01:13:52,500 --> 01:13:55,000
part of the, he's part of the
faith, but he was, Not an

1178
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:56,800
official clergyman absolutely.
Yes.

1179
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:01,000
So this is the demonologist
extraordinary career of and

1180
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:06,300
Lorraine Warren and article, I
did like a touched on this

1181
01:14:06,300 --> 01:14:10,300
article done by the the AP
Associated Press.

1182
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:14,200
It's just a test on it like a
lightly, but that's about it.

1183
01:14:15,700 --> 01:14:17,500
So I thought.
Yeah, I like to have couldn't

1184
01:14:17,500 --> 01:14:20,900
can contrasting opinions.
Yeah I have I have another

1185
01:14:20,900 --> 01:14:22,500
source.
I just don't know where it's

1186
01:14:22,500 --> 01:14:25,100
from.
It's um, it's basically like a

1187
01:14:25,100 --> 01:14:26,600
research paper.
Someone else did.

1188
01:14:26,700 --> 01:14:28,700
Oh that's interesting.
So yeah, you didn't go to their

1189
01:14:28,700 --> 01:14:32,400
a bibliography.
I do that sometimes the person

1190
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:35,700
that wrote this, when people
write little things, I look up

1191
01:14:35,700 --> 01:14:38,100
their bibliography and then I go
to their book.

1192
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,300
Oh no no no.
It's like actual like.

1193
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:48,300
Okay so the like a thesis.
Yeah so the the name of this I

1194
01:14:48,300 --> 01:14:52,000
guess it's a whatever you want
to call it.

1195
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,800
It's an internet thing is called
50 years of ghost hunting and

1196
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:58,000
research what the warrants.
So I'm pretty sure you can look

1197
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:01,500
that up on Google and it'll take
you right to this page.

1198
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:04,700
So the interview is done by
Jeff.

1199
01:15:06,500 --> 01:15:08,600
But anger.
Hmm, blinker.

1200
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:12,600
That sounds familiar to.
Okay, so there you go.

1201
01:15:12,900 --> 01:15:17,400
All right, so let's start this
little, right?

1202
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:20,300
I got for you guys.
So Lorraine.

1203
01:15:20,300 --> 01:15:24,300
Warren Warren Lorraine Rita
Morin.

1204
01:15:26,500 --> 01:15:30,200
She was born in Jane.
She was born on January, 31st

1205
01:15:30,700 --> 01:15:35,200
and 1927.
Edward was born on September

1206
01:15:35,300 --> 01:15:40,100
7th. 1926, they're both born in
Bridgeport, Connecticut.

1207
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:46,200
So Lorraine born with the power
Clairvoyance, she discovered at

1208
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:50,800
an early age that she was
different from other children at

1209
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:54,600
the age of 12, she found out how
different she was.

1210
01:15:56,100 --> 01:16:00,800
So on one Arbor Day and and all
and she was she was at an

1211
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:05,700
all-girls private school, okay.
You know, they're planning a

1212
01:16:05,700 --> 01:16:11,300
sapling and Lorraine.
She's like they're planting a

1213
01:16:11,300 --> 01:16:17,400
sapling, all the other girls
like looking and you know as a

1214
01:16:17,407 --> 01:16:20,200
sapling being planted and
Lorraine, she's actually looking

1215
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:22,900
up.
And the tree.

1216
01:16:24,700 --> 01:16:33,600
Yes, she's looking up into the
sky and one of the I guess the

1217
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:38,500
nuns noticed her looking up new
like wait, what are you looking

1218
01:16:38,500 --> 01:16:40,000
at?
And she's like looking at this

1219
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:44,500
tree right here and there was no
trees, there's just a sapling.

1220
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:48,300
So she was a, wait, she's
looking at the ghost of a tree.

1221
01:16:48,300 --> 01:16:50,800
She's looking at the future of
the tree.

1222
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:53,300
Oh, okay.
Yes.

1223
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:54,600
Oh, see.
I always thought of her as a

1224
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:57,700
medium.
She is a whole different set of

1225
01:16:57,708 --> 01:16:59,400
skills.
I never realized, she's

1226
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:04,000
Clairvoyant.
So I mean I guess you call it

1227
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,300
like it's me this is two
separate things.

1228
01:17:06,300 --> 01:17:10,700
Yeah.
I guess I should explain because

1229
01:17:10,700 --> 01:17:13,000
I guess because on-the-go shows
they want her to look into the

1230
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:14,000
past.
Yeah.

1231
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:17,300
But she can see.
But yeah.

1232
01:17:17,300 --> 01:17:20,300
Clairvoyance has the future.
Yeah.

1233
01:17:20,300 --> 01:17:22,000
So she's the ability to see
both.

1234
01:17:22,300 --> 01:17:23,600
Oh goodness.
Yeah.

1235
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,700
I didn't realize.
Yeah.

1236
01:17:26,900 --> 01:17:32,600
So I wrote this little joke, but
never mind.

1237
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:35,300
Yeah, numbers like what you
looking at kidding rains, like

1238
01:17:35,300 --> 01:17:39,300
treat.
Uh, and it only goes like, Oh

1239
01:17:39,300 --> 01:17:44,300
the rain.
Use future sight like a Pokemon.

1240
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:48,600
Oh my God.
And Laura Ingalls,

1241
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:53,300
super-effective it in a knot
goes.

1242
01:17:53,300 --> 01:17:55,900
Okay.
Time.

1243
01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:59,500
Okay.
China which time for you to go.

1244
01:17:59,500 --> 01:18:01,200
Pray.
Yeah.

1245
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:04,000
So yeah.
So they really assume that

1246
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:05,100
something was wrong with her,
though.

1247
01:18:05,100 --> 01:18:09,100
Yeah.
Like, if one of your kids told

1248
01:18:09,100 --> 01:18:12,700
me that I would be like, oh, one
of my kids.

1249
01:18:12,700 --> 01:18:15,300
This is just pretend time one of
my kids.

1250
01:18:15,300 --> 01:18:18,300
Yes, know if Cassandra told you
something like this.

1251
01:18:18,300 --> 01:18:19,500
Believe her.
Yeah.

1252
01:18:19,500 --> 01:18:25,400
But Cassandra Seas.
Beings not a future tree.

1253
01:18:25,900 --> 01:18:28,100
Okay, if she's owed you
something like this believer.

1254
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:30,200
Jaden, I'm not too sure about
him.

1255
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:42,300
He doesn't have the gift.
Oh, yeah, at least, hopefully

1256
01:18:42,300 --> 01:18:46,400
for you to deal with this.
I mean, hopefully she doesn't,

1257
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:50,900
it doesn't close for her.
But, um, so they sent her to a

1258
01:18:50,900 --> 01:18:57,000
retreat to pray.
Oh, the Pokemon away for

1259
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:59,300
Lorraine.
So yeah, they treat these in her

1260
01:18:59,300 --> 01:19:01,300
further away for the weekend to
pray.

1261
01:19:01,300 --> 01:19:03,500
Only a weekend.
It wasn't like one of those

1262
01:19:03,500 --> 01:19:06,200
scary place.
No, no, it was retrieved.

1263
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:09,500
So wait.
So they sent her out into the

1264
01:19:09,500 --> 01:19:11,900
woods, it was a retreat, you
know?

1265
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:14,400
Where is that like a, I guess
like a Bible Retreat.

1266
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:15,400
I'm guessing.
Yeah.

1267
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:17,700
Those are usually out in the
wilderness, okay?

1268
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:22,800
And you know locations where bad
things have happened out in the

1269
01:19:22,808 --> 01:19:25,600
wilderness, okay?
Okay, so she can see more

1270
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:30,600
things.
So after she told, you know, the

1271
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,700
nun this and she When to
retreat, she was like, okay I'm

1272
01:19:33,700 --> 01:19:36,600
gonna keep this stuff to myself
now, smart smart girl just so

1273
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:38,100
you know, I don't get in trouble
anymore.

1274
01:19:39,500 --> 01:19:43,700
So we're in was even tested at
the UCLA to judge her

1275
01:19:43,700 --> 01:19:48,700
Clairvoyance and it was judged
be on average.

1276
01:19:50,300 --> 01:19:53,700
So, so have you ever seen
Ghostbusters?

1277
01:19:54,300 --> 01:19:56,100
Yes.
The original like the first one.

1278
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:57,000
Yeah.
Okay.

1279
01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:00,200
Do you remember like in like the
first scene Venkman Z.

1280
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:05,300
He's, he's testing these two
students for like clairvoyants.

1281
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:08,300
Yes, like, okay.
And he's like using like a

1282
01:20:08,300 --> 01:20:09,800
machine.
He's using like a.

1283
01:20:09,900 --> 01:20:12,500
Okay?
So what he does is he he's

1284
01:20:12,500 --> 01:20:17,600
holding up a car to himself and
He's asking them, what, what,

1285
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:19,200
what do you see behind his card,
right?

1286
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:24,100
And so I've actually seen that
done multiple times on the

1287
01:20:24,100 --> 01:20:25,000
internet.
Oh, really?

1288
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:28,300
I just thought they were making
fun of they were like doing the

1289
01:20:28,300 --> 01:20:31,000
movie thing.
You probably he's know if that's

1290
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:33,000
actually like the way they test
Clairvoyance.

1291
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:35,600
That's interesting.
So in and then like he would get

1292
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:37,700
like a shock to if you got it
wrong.

1293
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:41,300
And the guy he saw was a guy and
a girl.

1294
01:20:41,308 --> 01:20:45,100
And the guy he like freaks out.
He's like, what are you even

1295
01:20:45,108 --> 01:20:45,900
doing here?
Here.

1296
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:49,300
He's like, whoa, sir.
I'm testing to see if negative

1297
01:20:49,300 --> 01:20:53,500
negative reinforcement effects
clairvoyants and yeah, I was

1298
01:20:53,500 --> 01:20:55,900
just thinking about that because
my head, I'm like the fear of

1299
01:20:55,900 --> 01:21:00,400
the shot could affect a lot of
people to ruin their ability, to

1300
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:05,600
answer the questions correctly.
Yes, I explained it perfectly

1301
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:09,900
because Venkman, but yeah, no,
he's my, he's any Bill Murray,

1302
01:21:09,900 --> 01:21:15,200
come on out, I mean, um, but
it's funny that he says this in

1303
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:18,500
the guy, I got the card right
after being shocked so many

1304
01:21:18,500 --> 01:21:22,100
times, he just got pissed off
and he's like I don't know like

1305
01:21:22,100 --> 01:21:26,100
a figure eight or something and
he's like and make noise like no

1306
01:21:26,100 --> 01:21:28,300
you gotta wrong.
It is awakened.

1307
01:21:28,300 --> 01:21:31,100
Figure eight on the card though.
He just wanted to mess with the

1308
01:21:31,108 --> 01:21:34,600
guy because he's in his like
this reminds me of something,

1309
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:37,600
they were probably do something
like this but I think the the

1310
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:41,200
test actually it doesn't involve
being shocked like Ghostbusters

1311
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:43,300
but it does involve you trying
to discern.

1312
01:21:43,300 --> 01:21:45,500
Yeah, yeah, things in another
room.

1313
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:47,400
Room or situations.
I'm pretty sure.

1314
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:49,300
That's, yeah, that's how you do
it.

1315
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:53,600
They did that to her at UCLA.
I'm not, I didn't go really into

1316
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:55,300
it, but I know they tested her
for that.

1317
01:21:55,300 --> 01:22:02,200
Yeah, cool.
Anyway, L rain met at the age of

1318
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:05,000
16.
Well, Ed was an usher at a

1319
01:22:05,008 --> 01:22:08,100
theater in Bridgeport.
He had seen the rain.

1320
01:22:09,100 --> 01:22:11,400
Oh, do you know the story gone?
It's cute.

1321
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:16,600
It's cute and only like the way
that things in the 40s and 50s

1322
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:18,800
were cute if they did this.
Now, this is not cute, this is

1323
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:22,800
true, but this was cute back
then, so he had seen her in her

1324
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:24,500
mom.
Coming to the, you know, coming

1325
01:22:24,500 --> 01:22:26,400
to the theater every Wednesday
night.

1326
01:22:27,700 --> 01:22:30,800
You know, Ed started talking to
her, they became friends.

1327
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:35,800
And what night when he walks her
home, he basically just ask her

1328
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:39,700
out and I guess you could say
it's history from there.

1329
01:22:39,900 --> 01:22:42,300
Yeah, it would be unheard of.
Now that like the guy you

1330
01:22:42,300 --> 01:22:46,500
randomly buy popcorn from you
allow to walk you home from the

1331
01:22:46,500 --> 01:22:48,900
movie like that would never
happen now.

1332
01:22:48,900 --> 01:22:51,400
But isn't it adorable?
I mean, you could be friends

1333
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:54,100
with them, you could talk to
them nicely and stuff like that,

1334
01:22:54,100 --> 01:22:58,500
talk to people nicely but I have
what I refer to as Real

1335
01:22:58,500 --> 01:23:03,400
relationships, and people who
are doing things for you

1336
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:06,000
relationships.
So if I take an Uber, I talked

1337
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:09,900
to the Uber driver and I'm super
nice to them, but as soon as I

1338
01:23:09,900 --> 01:23:12,700
get out of the car that
relationship is over.

1339
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,300
Oh my God.
You just remind me of that

1340
01:23:16,300 --> 01:23:20,300
freaking door testing.
Oh yeah, that door Josh left.

1341
01:23:20,300 --> 01:23:23,900
Ya know.
That know that I love the food

1342
01:23:23,900 --> 01:23:26,900
on the front of the dryer in
front of the garage.

1343
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:28,600
Schnell garage.
No, talking about something

1344
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:30,400
else.
But Oh, you mean that guy who

1345
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:31,800
like, called the lady up the
next day?

1346
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:34,200
I'm like, hey, you've been in my
mind?

1347
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:35,800
Yeah, exactly.
Like, oh my God.

1348
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:38,500
No, dude, you just like the man
hater episode?

1349
01:23:38,900 --> 01:23:44,200
I'm I'm not sorry.
Anyway, back to talking about

1350
01:23:44,300 --> 01:23:46,000
our lovely couple.
All right.

1351
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:52,100
So Ed his childhood was
different, so he grew up in a

1352
01:23:52,100 --> 01:23:56,500
haunted house from the ages of 5
to 12, same house.

1353
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:00,400
Like he started seeing ghosts at
the age of five?

1354
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:03,100
Oh no, yeah, that's that's when
it happens.

1355
01:24:03,100 --> 01:24:05,500
Yep.
So he had a landlady that died

1356
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:12,400
in a year later, late at night,
he was in, I guess his room, you

1357
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:15,500
know, everything is dark and
stuff, it's got his closet door,

1358
01:24:15,500 --> 01:24:19,400
starts opening up and it's
always the closet.

1359
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:21,600
Why y'all can't leave these
children alone?

1360
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:23,600
Like, like I told you.
That's how you about that.

1361
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:26,800
Yes, look how always the closets
positing your house.

1362
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:31,900
Yes to yes.
No, for me, I mean, my story

1363
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,100
with the closet.
Well, you have a closet story to

1364
01:24:34,100 --> 01:24:37,100
us talking about Cassandra
saying that there was somebody

1365
01:24:37,100 --> 01:24:48,700
in her mother's closet.
Grandma died in and it was a

1366
01:24:48,708 --> 01:24:53,900
room, she died in and, you know,
we're we would share that room.

1367
01:24:55,300 --> 01:24:59,400
And like Some Nights the closet
door, you could hear it just

1368
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:05,900
creaking open, nice and slowly.
And opening, I just have to

1369
01:25:05,900 --> 01:25:10,000
imagine that there's just ghosts
who are trying to like, figure

1370
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:12,800
out their powers and they're
just like, I'm gonna get this

1371
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:16,900
door open, and they're just
trying so hard and it goes Creek

1372
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:20,600
and they're like, yes, I'm
finally getting my ghost Powers

1373
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:23,900
because like, why are they all
messing with the doors?

1374
01:25:24,500 --> 01:25:29,100
I just need my grandma was just
messing with us, trying to sleep

1375
01:25:29,100 --> 01:25:34,200
like the pickles, pick one all
of us so that I'm pretty sure

1376
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:37,300
that's what she was doing.
But, um, so this closet door

1377
01:25:37,300 --> 01:25:41,900
opens and at first, he sees a
ghost orb-like thing, right?

1378
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:48,400
And it starts to slowly like get
a human form.

1379
01:25:48,500 --> 01:25:52,900
Oh, it starts turning into
something and it becomes this

1380
01:25:52,900 --> 01:25:55,000
landlady, who would died a year
before.

1381
01:25:56,100 --> 01:26:00,600
Did she say something?
Oh, so no she didn't say

1382
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:03,100
anything but tell your mom to
fix the pipe.

1383
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:10,600
But while she was alive, she
wasn't she didn't really like

1384
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:12,300
kids.
Aw, dang it.

1385
01:26:12,300 --> 01:26:16,700
So, but she didn't do any time.
She just had like aggressively

1386
01:26:16,700 --> 01:26:22,600
child-free strike again, her
resting be face on the whole

1387
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:24,300
time that he saw her.
Hmm.

1388
01:26:24,700 --> 01:26:29,800
And when she was a girl, She had
the same face on and so they

1389
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:33,600
tell anybody.
Yeah, yeah, so he sees her and

1390
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:36,300
she looks grumpy, you know, like
she always does and she

1391
01:26:36,300 --> 01:26:37,400
disappears.
Hmm.

1392
01:26:37,900 --> 01:26:44,100
Now he goes and tells his dad,
this and is that total never

1393
01:26:44,100 --> 01:26:48,700
told anybody about it again.
So his dad, his dad was a very

1394
01:26:48,700 --> 01:26:52,000
devout so and it kind of makes
sense.

1395
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:54,000
This is that how he got more
into the church then?

1396
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:57,100
Yeah, let me get angry.
Church church boy.

1397
01:26:57,700 --> 01:27:03,500
Um, is Roy and Lorraine.
They got married at the age of

1398
01:27:03,500 --> 01:27:09,200
6. 18, God. 18 years old.
Whoa, he was in the Navy.

1399
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:10,900
Yeah, I thought so.
I thought I saw their picture.

1400
01:27:11,500 --> 01:27:15,300
Yep, they also had a daughter.
I think.

1401
01:27:15,700 --> 01:27:19,200
Yeah, really have a daughter.
Well, yeah, they have a daughter

1402
01:27:19,700 --> 01:27:24,100
and I believed her husband is
the one who runs the museum.

1403
01:27:24,100 --> 01:27:25,800
Now I'm gonna go think the
daughter.

1404
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:27,000
Does it have anything to do with
it?

1405
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:32,500
But her husband us because, when
that whole Annabelle's, escaped

1406
01:27:32,500 --> 01:27:35,800
meme happened on the internet
last year, he was the one who

1407
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:38,900
like had to like make a YouTube
video and be like she still

1408
01:27:38,900 --> 01:27:40,900
here.
Yeah, he didn't go anywhere

1409
01:27:40,900 --> 01:27:42,500
y'all.
I don't know where this came

1410
01:27:42,500 --> 01:27:45,000
from, but Annabelle's where she
always is.

1411
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:54,200
Sorry, so after World War Two
was over, they were actually

1412
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:56,700
going to be artists.
Oh yeah.

1413
01:27:57,000 --> 01:27:58,500
You know, that I did not know
that.

1414
01:27:58,500 --> 01:28:02,300
Was their original location?
Yeah, they did this for five

1415
01:28:02,300 --> 01:28:05,600
years actually.
Now I want to look up and see if

1416
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:08,400
they did anything good.
So they paint it.

1417
01:28:09,300 --> 01:28:11,600
What did they paint churchy
stuff?

1418
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:19,300
Go see stuff clothes.
Demons won't know.

1419
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:23,400
They painted haunted houses.
Oh, so go see stuff.

1420
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:28,900
Yeah, they were paid on houses.
They thought, you know, it'll be

1421
01:28:28,900 --> 01:28:32,100
relatable.
I don't know.

1422
01:28:32,700 --> 01:28:35,800
Alrighty of their haunted house,
paintings, haunted.

1423
01:28:36,300 --> 01:28:39,200
I don't think so.
I'm just think they paint the

1424
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:43,500
houses or just catch houses.
Um, so this is how we'll go

1425
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:48,600
Edward, you know, research
houses from the newspaper, he

1426
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:52,600
would drag her along and they
would, he was SketchUp, the

1427
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:55,700
houses heard outside.
And then he ended up talking to

1428
01:28:55,700 --> 01:28:58,600
the people, didn't he?
You jumping ahead.

1429
01:28:58,700 --> 01:29:01,300
I'm sorry.
I just isn't natural like you

1430
01:29:01,300 --> 01:29:04,500
have to write.
Yeah, you to confirm that the

1431
01:29:04,500 --> 01:29:09,200
house is haunted.
So what, what what he would do

1432
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:13,600
is the people, the owners of the
house, they are, we looking out

1433
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:15,800
the windows, like, what are
y'all doing?

1434
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:18,600
Where is teenagers doing out?
Thought of our house, our UK

1435
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:20,500
Sinister going on?
Are you okay?

1436
01:29:20,500 --> 01:29:28,900
So right now.
So you know, either, And you

1437
01:29:28,900 --> 01:29:31,300
know, tell them what they're
doing and then they would ask

1438
01:29:31,300 --> 01:29:34,200
for more information about The
Haunting.

1439
01:29:34,300 --> 01:29:36,100
Okay, as I was wondering where
were you?

1440
01:29:36,100 --> 01:29:39,600
I was like they have to confirm
the haunting, don't they?

1441
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:45,100
Yeah. so they would, you know,
exchange the sketches, they drew

1442
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:48,600
for, you know, information
about, you know, Haunting in the

1443
01:29:48,608 --> 01:29:54,400
house and if the haunting was
Particularly interesting.

1444
01:29:54,700 --> 01:29:57,300
They would definitely, they were
definitely paint the house.

1445
01:29:57,900 --> 01:29:59,900
And then, you know, that's a
good little write down the

1446
01:29:59,900 --> 01:30:00,800
story.
Probably.

1447
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:02,300
Exactly.
So they can add it to your

1448
01:30:02,300 --> 01:30:07,900
collection.
So in the beginning ring was

1449
01:30:07,900 --> 01:30:12,500
basically a skeptic like she had
no experience with ghosts or

1450
01:30:12,500 --> 01:30:15,400
hauntings.
Oh, so at this point, she's only

1451
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:17,600
experiencing Clairvoyant.
Yes.

1452
01:30:17,700 --> 01:30:20,200
Not medium.
No, not not go.

1453
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:22,000
See stuff.
Interesting.

1454
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:26,500
I That the way that she was by
the time, you know, I saw her on

1455
01:30:26,500 --> 01:30:31,000
TV or, you know, read her stuff
that that's how she'd always

1456
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:32,600
been.
I mean, this is teenager now.

1457
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:35,800
So I mean, I can imagine like
everything else in life, your

1458
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:40,900
abilities, develop and deepen,
as you age.

1459
01:30:40,900 --> 01:30:41,600
Yeah.
No.

1460
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:45,000
They dig is her Clairvoyance.
They get stronger as they were

1461
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:48,300
researching houses and, you
know, going more in-depth with

1462
01:30:48,300 --> 01:30:53,100
the ghost stuff in the spirit
stuff or, you know, Hauntings.

1463
01:30:53,100 --> 01:30:56,400
But so she is like listen, I can
see the future.

1464
01:30:57,200 --> 01:30:59,700
I don't know about this ghost
thing I enjoy drawing.

1465
01:30:59,700 --> 01:31:02,500
Yeah.
So when does it become real for

1466
01:31:02,500 --> 01:31:04,800
her?
I'm getting to that.

1467
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:08,900
Now, Ed on the other hand, he
was down to clown.

1468
01:31:08,900 --> 01:31:14,700
So to say, like he was, he, he,
he's seen a ghost before so he's

1469
01:31:14,700 --> 01:31:17,300
like, let's get more to this
creepy stuff.

1470
01:31:17,300 --> 01:31:20,500
It's like you or me, it's like
if you're in a clairvoyant and

1471
01:31:20,500 --> 01:31:24,700
I've seen like a ghost Once in
my life contact and sci-fi

1472
01:31:25,700 --> 01:31:30,000
Travel Channel or something.
But the problem is I'm far, too

1473
01:31:31,900 --> 01:31:33,100
scared.
Yeah.

1474
01:31:33,300 --> 01:31:35,600
To be in that environment for
very long.

1475
01:31:36,300 --> 01:31:40,200
I would be the one on the go
show who like something would

1476
01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:42,500
like Creek a book.
Did you see that?

1477
01:31:43,100 --> 01:31:45,800
Like that's me because I'm
terrified never mind.

1478
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:49,600
I would be like charging into
the darkness time by the things

1479
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:51,900
act.
I'm not no you're not back.

1480
01:31:51,900 --> 01:31:53,900
Biggest.
Cause I am Aaron.

1481
01:31:54,100 --> 01:31:57,900
Whoa, I'm not trying to fight
the ghost.

1482
01:31:57,900 --> 01:32:00,200
No, thank you.
Well, that's the old Zach.

1483
01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:02,900
Yeah, exactly, yes.
In the beginning he was trying

1484
01:32:02,900 --> 01:32:04,500
to fight the ghost.
You're right.

1485
01:32:08,300 --> 01:32:10,500
Oh my God.
But no, I'd probably be more.

1486
01:32:10,500 --> 01:32:13,800
The more sensitive plus, it'd be
from the original Ghost Hunters.

1487
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:15,000
You'd be neck.
Yeah.

1488
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:17,900
You want to know the answers?
Absolutely, definitely.

1489
01:32:17,900 --> 01:32:21,700
I mean, been my heart.
I want to be Katrina from listen

1490
01:32:21,700 --> 01:32:24,100
the anybody who This is to go
stuff, you know, I'm talking

1491
01:32:24,100 --> 01:32:26,900
about, you know, Katrina.
I want to be like Katrina, she's

1492
01:32:26,900 --> 01:32:31,900
very like Brave.
I'm not scared.

1493
01:32:32,700 --> 01:32:35,500
I believe in this stuff and I'm
scared.

1494
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:39,900
Oh my God, you got this, you be
good.

1495
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:45,200
All right so even before and
Lorraine were married he had

1496
01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:48,400
devoured so much research into
the Superman who know

1497
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:52,900
Supernatural and you know from
his past experience of Course.

1498
01:32:53,300 --> 01:32:58,500
So he was just he was like okay
I kind of got like basic you

1499
01:32:58,500 --> 01:33:01,400
know, knowledge of this so I'm
down to like give you some

1500
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:03,800
answers.
If the people at the houses

1501
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:08,000
wanted to, oh so they're like
listen, you're right.

1502
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:12,200
This place is haunted and he's
like, let me help you with that.

1503
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:14,800
Exactly.
Have you heard of sage?

1504
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:18,400
Do you know what assault ring
is?

1505
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:22,500
My God cannot just salt another
sorting tonight.

1506
01:33:23,300 --> 01:33:27,500
All right, so later on down the
line, Lorraine did become more

1507
01:33:27,500 --> 01:33:33,000
convinced, you know, of presence
of, you know, super fun fact.

1508
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:36,800
This apartment has been staged
also and holy watered.

1509
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:41,200
We hit both both sides of my
family's religious beliefs.

1510
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:43,600
There you go.
We've just sees her house

1511
01:33:43,900 --> 01:33:45,400
multiple times.
Got you.

1512
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:51,700
So, of course, who's people's,
you know, who's people whose

1513
01:33:51,700 --> 01:33:55,600
houses, they, they paint it,
they wanted to know, you know,

1514
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:59,400
the cause of The Haunting, or
more importantly, how does a

1515
01:33:59,407 --> 01:34:02,400
Spirit manifest where does the
Spirit come from?

1516
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:08,700
So that's the Like
million-dollar question, isn't

1517
01:34:08,700 --> 01:34:10,500
it?
Yes, we're you spirits?

1518
01:34:10,500 --> 01:34:12,000
Come from where, how do they
manifest?

1519
01:34:12,300 --> 01:34:16,200
So there's like in the book
there's there's a bit of a

1520
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:21,600
rundown of, you know, of belief
system on the of Earthbound,

1521
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:24,700
spirits of, you know, how they
believe, Earthbound Spirits like

1522
01:34:24,700 --> 01:34:27,200
manifest.
It sounds so Earthbound.

1523
01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:33,900
Spirits usually use a human
presence to manifest They

1524
01:34:33,900 --> 01:34:38,000
actually need that ties very
much into the Poltergeist

1525
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:41,000
Theory.
Yeah, so another way to can

1526
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:45,400
manifest, is the energy in the
atmosphere, which is like pretty

1527
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:47,900
badass, like this is water.
Yeah.

1528
01:34:47,900 --> 01:34:50,200
Certain stones.
That like the thing water,

1529
01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:53,500
whether anything that's going on
like nature, they can manifest

1530
01:34:53,500 --> 01:34:55,900
through nature and that's
awesome.

1531
01:34:57,800 --> 01:34:59,500
I love it.
Oh my God.

1532
01:35:01,100 --> 01:35:05,600
And of course, the way they way
that, you know, Spirits look the

1533
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:07,900
way they actually manifest their
bodies.

1534
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:13,700
It depends on how the spirit
wants to project themselves or

1535
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:16,600
how they see themselves.
I'm glad that you said that

1536
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:21,300
there's one other medium that I
watch her show who says the same

1537
01:35:21,300 --> 01:35:23,500
thing.
Yeah, a lot of people are like,

1538
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:26,200
it also makes me think about
what we talked about last week

1539
01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:30,300
with a trial, the witch trials
in Scotland and that At that

1540
01:35:30,300 --> 01:35:34,200
particular woman.
The witch or she wasn't really a

1541
01:35:34,200 --> 01:35:37,400
witch, but you know what I mean?
She was killed.

1542
01:35:37,700 --> 01:35:40,700
She presents herself the way she
died.

1543
01:35:41,100 --> 01:35:44,800
Yeah, exactly.
So that's an interesting choice

1544
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:48,000
as to why she does that.
And that was, oh my God.

1545
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:51,100
I forget what story I was
telling you about.

1546
01:35:51,100 --> 01:35:53,100
That was Scotland.
Yeah, no, not last week.

1547
01:35:53,100 --> 01:35:57,600
It was a couple weeks.
I had it at about a woman in

1548
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:00,400
white, right?
And is old rectory well because

1549
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:02,200
we kept because I brought up the
question.

1550
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:05,100
Like why don't, why are there so
many women and white?

1551
01:36:05,200 --> 01:36:06,800
Yeah, it was a loser Valentine's
Day.

1552
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:08,900
That's what it was.
Hey, and she was naked girls,

1553
01:36:09,200 --> 01:36:11,600
right?
You she was trying to seduce the

1554
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:14,400
priest, right issues?
She was reliving her happy as

1555
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:16,400
moment or when I her happy, you
know.

1556
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:19,600
I've happiest moment of her life
but yeah, and her name is Amy

1557
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:21,500
from the TV show.
The Dead Files of forget her

1558
01:36:21,500 --> 01:36:24,700
last name, but her name is Amy.
Okay, but she also routinely

1559
01:36:24,700 --> 01:36:27,900
says, like the way when she's
talking about like the spirits

1560
01:36:27,900 --> 01:36:31,600
of, she's like he's showing
himself to me in this way.

1561
01:36:31,900 --> 01:36:35,000
I Don't think this is who he
really is, but this is how he's

1562
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:37,600
presenting himself to me, which
is an interesting thought

1563
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:41,500
process, because I figure if
your ethereal on that way, why

1564
01:36:41,500 --> 01:36:43,400
would you choose to look a
certain way?

1565
01:36:43,700 --> 01:36:48,400
I'd be like, I'm a dragon.
Someone some K would be.

1566
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:50,600
Like, there's definitely a
dragon that flies around my

1567
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:55,100
bedroom like four times a night
and the, the medium would come

1568
01:36:55,100 --> 01:36:58,300
into the house and be like, so
she's not a dragon, she just

1569
01:36:58,300 --> 01:37:02,200
really likes that body.
She's like an old lady.

1570
01:37:02,300 --> 01:37:05,700
Who just died here?
Oh my God, she's harmless to

1571
01:37:05,700 --> 01:37:07,700
your child.
She in fact, really likes your

1572
01:37:07,700 --> 01:37:09,800
kid and that's why she's hanging
out there.

1573
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:11,300
Yeah.
I mean, that would be me as it

1574
01:37:11,300 --> 01:37:12,800
goes.
That is you as a ghost.

1575
01:37:15,300 --> 01:37:17,200
Oh my God.
Not vengeful at all.

1576
01:37:17,300 --> 01:37:21,300
No, I would definitely be creepy
because I want to scare kids.

1577
01:37:22,300 --> 01:37:24,300
What what?
Why?

1578
01:37:24,300 --> 01:37:32,100
Because fun.
So, in the book, Ed goes deep,

1579
01:37:32,200 --> 01:37:36,000
Deeper on where one would
encounter a ghost.

1580
01:37:36,100 --> 01:37:44,500
Okay.
Like old houses or farmhouses

1581
01:37:44,500 --> 01:37:48,600
places of History?
Yeah, it didn't mention.

1582
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:54,700
Places that were like, you know,
during WWII or stuff like that,

1583
01:37:54,700 --> 01:37:58,200
where they were built like on
the shoreline houses built on

1584
01:37:58,200 --> 01:38:00,600
the shoreline for some reason,
that's a thing.

1585
01:38:00,700 --> 01:38:04,300
Hmm, that was a thing and I'd be
interested in reading that part

1586
01:38:04,300 --> 01:38:05,200
from him.
Yeah.

1587
01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:17,700
So like I mentioned in episode
1, episode 2 and I think

1588
01:38:18,100 --> 01:38:21,300
whatever episode.
I talk about Letta Letta the

1589
01:38:21,300 --> 01:38:23,100
Gypsy doll.
Oh right?

1590
01:38:24,700 --> 01:38:27,700
Ghosts can also be attached to
objects.

1591
01:38:27,700 --> 01:38:32,300
Absolutely, so and also goes
into detail and talks a lot in

1592
01:38:32,300 --> 01:38:34,100
this book.
Let me just I'm just gonna book

1593
01:38:34,100 --> 01:38:36,900
is called demonologist and which
is his heir.

1594
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:38,600
Area of expertise.
Let me just tell you.

1595
01:38:38,600 --> 01:38:43,000
He everything is a quote by him
not this.

1596
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:45,100
No at all.
I'm just saying.

1597
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:50,400
He talks a lot.
Anyway, So it goes into detail

1598
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:54,500
about how he Lorraine received
some parts from Flight 401.

1599
01:38:55,900 --> 01:38:59,700
It's a jetliner that crash and
Everglades.

1600
01:38:59,800 --> 01:39:02,600
Hmm.
So apparently as soon as the

1601
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:06,800
rain touch the piece that they
were, they received, she sold at

1602
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:10,100
the I guess the spirit
Apparition of the flight

1603
01:39:10,100 --> 01:39:17,800
engineer on that plane and
multiple people like throughout.

1604
01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:22,500
However, Only had this piece
they would comment and say that

1605
01:39:22,500 --> 01:39:25,700
there's a guy and like a trench
coat pacing out in front of

1606
01:39:25,700 --> 01:39:27,500
y'all houses.
And so I'm referring to your

1607
01:39:27,500 --> 01:39:30,500
house just walking back and
forth and as soon as we get

1608
01:39:30,500 --> 01:39:36,200
close to him, he disappears.
And they're like, huh?

1609
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:38,900
That's strange?
Okay.

1610
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:47,200
So Poor dude, probably feels
guilty, so I doubt it.

1611
01:39:47,300 --> 01:39:52,200
Um, so and Lorraine.
Do you finally notice that this

1612
01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:54,500
guy is the same person that
Lorraine saw when she touched

1613
01:39:54,500 --> 01:39:58,200
the piece of the plane.
So, there it comes to the

1614
01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:01,500
conclusion.
That the reason why he's pacing

1615
01:40:01,700 --> 01:40:05,000
in waiting outside.
The, in front of the house is

1616
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:09,300
because some of his relatives
are coming to meet with Ellen

1617
01:40:09,300 --> 01:40:12,900
rain for like I Is a
consultation or meeting, right?

1618
01:40:12,900 --> 01:40:14,700
Right.
And, you know, he wanted to

1619
01:40:14,708 --> 01:40:19,100
commune with them.
So he was waiting to be able to

1620
01:40:19,200 --> 01:40:24,400
talk to her relatives.
And yeah, I was like, oh my God.

1621
01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:27,400
Huh.
Awesome.

1622
01:40:27,800 --> 01:40:29,900
This is great.
I wish I could see ghosts.

1623
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:33,900
Not really?
Yeah, I was gonna say no not

1624
01:40:33,900 --> 01:40:37,600
really don't.
Oh my goodness.

1625
01:40:39,900 --> 01:40:48,000
So either way it goes in goes on
to talk more about ghosts and

1626
01:40:48,900 --> 01:40:51,200
their Natures I guess you could
say.

1627
01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:57,100
They do go into a lot of little
bit from this one, too.

1628
01:40:57,300 --> 01:41:00,300
Like it's just like the the
second chapter in the book.

1629
01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:05,300
Oh wow, yeah, so like this is
our backstory zooming into the

1630
01:41:05,300 --> 01:41:07,300
ghost stuff now.
Yeah yeah.

1631
01:41:09,400 --> 01:41:14,500
Now Lorraine back to Lorraine.
Now.

1632
01:41:15,900 --> 01:41:21,900
The Staple in any good ghost.
A bit investigation is a medium

1633
01:41:21,900 --> 01:41:28,000
or Clairvoyant, right?
For one, they can actually see

1634
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:30,600
what's going on Nick and I
should see if there's a spirit

1635
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:37,200
there.
And 42.

1636
01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:43,200
Spirits are naturally drawn to
mediums clairvoyants, and if

1637
01:41:43,200 --> 01:41:49,900
you're a physical medium they
experience what the ghost is

1638
01:41:49,900 --> 01:41:54,300
trying to express to them.
So I've heard the lady from the

1639
01:41:54,300 --> 01:41:58,200
show, I like, Amy talked about
how the life expectancy for

1640
01:41:58,200 --> 01:42:00,300
physical mediums is actually
lower.

1641
01:42:00,700 --> 01:42:04,900
Oh, so you can be a kind of
medium who just like here stuff

1642
01:42:05,400 --> 01:42:09,400
but like she feels like so when
there, Trying to tell her like

1643
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:14,400
somebody stabbed me, she is
experiencing that moment and

1644
01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:18,400
that person's life.
And so that's a lot of pain and

1645
01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:21,000
Trauma to take in it yourself.
Absolutely.

1646
01:42:23,700 --> 01:42:27,900
Now I lost my place so was the
rain like that or was she more

1647
01:42:27,900 --> 01:42:31,900
of a head media?
I think she was more the mental.

1648
01:42:31,900 --> 01:42:33,900
Tokay, that's good.
Because she did love a nice long

1649
01:42:33,900 --> 01:42:34,800
life.
Yeah.

1650
01:42:35,800 --> 01:42:38,600
I'd hate to think that she sport
like William years.

1651
01:42:38,600 --> 01:42:40,800
Yeah.
Oh my God, just experiencing the

1652
01:42:41,200 --> 01:42:43,500
terrible things that happen to
people that's awful.

1653
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:46,500
Yeah.
So yeah.

1654
01:42:46,700 --> 01:42:49,100
So this is what Lorraine did
when they investigate houses,

1655
01:42:49,100 --> 01:42:52,800
they would, you know, she
basically like see if there was

1656
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:54,700
a spirit, she could feel there
was one there.

1657
01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:57,300
Okay, and you'll draw it out if
she could.

1658
01:42:57,700 --> 01:43:03,100
And they also say that she used
mental telepathy.

1659
01:43:03,700 --> 01:43:05,900
Yeah, it makes sense to
communicate with Spirits as

1660
01:43:05,900 --> 01:43:07,800
well.
So, apparently Spirits, find

1661
01:43:07,800 --> 01:43:11,100
this the easiest way to
communicate, right?

1662
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:16,300
If they're, I guess an
intelligent Aunt ghost or

1663
01:43:16,300 --> 01:43:19,200
Spirit, right?
Because we have residual

1664
01:43:19,200 --> 01:43:20,400
hauntings.
Yes the thing.

1665
01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:23,500
Yes, exactly.
Sorry, nothing.

1666
01:43:26,600 --> 01:43:30,100
Okay.
So as I mentioned before, the

1667
01:43:30,100 --> 01:43:34,100
warrant would go to houses where
you know, there were reports of

1668
01:43:34,100 --> 01:43:37,800
activity happening, you know,
just a small stuff, they'd see

1669
01:43:37,800 --> 01:43:41,900
goes here goes there, blah blah,
nothing big, nothing, bad

1670
01:43:42,300 --> 01:43:48,800
um-hmm.
But there were times when they

1671
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:53,600
would be called to a house and
actually be of the spirit would

1672
01:43:53,600 --> 01:44:00,400
be a tad bit more active.
Is it that it wasn't actually a

1673
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:05,400
spirit.
Okay, so they refer okay.

1674
01:44:05,400 --> 01:44:09,200
So in the book, they referred to
spirits and ghosts as two

1675
01:44:09,200 --> 01:44:12,800
separate things.
So what oh, you gotta ghost,

1676
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:16,400
which is just, you know, just I
guess resembling that of a,

1677
01:44:16,500 --> 01:44:18,500
yeah, human person.
And then you have a spirit,

1678
01:44:18,500 --> 01:44:23,700
which is actual like a I guess
not physical manifestation, but

1679
01:44:23,700 --> 01:44:27,200
like a no manifestation of
something.

1680
01:44:28,100 --> 01:44:29,700
Well then, what does he think of
about?

1681
01:44:29,700 --> 01:44:32,600
I mean, he is the book is called
demonology, right?

1682
01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:37,600
What does he think of?
Non-human entities then getting

1683
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:40,200
there.
Okay, I just now I'm just

1684
01:44:40,200 --> 01:44:43,400
intrigued by his like, his
perspective on this.

1685
01:44:43,400 --> 01:44:49,300
I'm right, right, right.
Okay, so let me see.

1686
01:44:49,300 --> 01:44:54,400
Where was I at?
Oh yeah, and you did the things

1687
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:57,800
will be, you know, more active
in the occupants would be going

1688
01:44:57,800 --> 01:45:01,000
out of their minds, you know,
maybe they'd be terrified.

1689
01:45:01,100 --> 01:45:06,300
Hmm.
And like Durant during these

1690
01:45:06,300 --> 01:45:10,200
times, people didn't fully
understand what was happening or

1691
01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:17,600
not really surprised by that or
or or you didn't know.

1692
01:45:18,100 --> 01:45:24,400
I mean can you imagine like
every time like you're some like

1693
01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:29,100
middle-aged housewife in like
the really nice area of

1694
01:45:29,100 --> 01:45:34,300
Connecticut, right?
And whenever Were you wake up at

1695
01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:36,500
327?
And you're like, I'm really

1696
01:45:36,500 --> 01:45:40,600
thirsty and you go downstairs to
get a drink of water, all of the

1697
01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:42,900
drawers in your kitchen are
open.

1698
01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:48,100
And you're just like, I'm just
gonna close these and get my

1699
01:45:48,100 --> 01:45:49,600
watch.
You don't like, what's your

1700
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:54,100
frame of understanding for this.
Like, why does this happen every

1701
01:45:54,100 --> 01:45:57,400
day at 3:00 in the morning?
Oh my God.

1702
01:45:57,500 --> 01:46:00,500
I mean I have his at my house
too, but it's only because my

1703
01:46:00,508 --> 01:46:03,600
roommate is a child.
No.

1704
01:46:04,700 --> 01:46:07,300
Oh you mean your other roommate?
I think you're talking about the

1705
01:46:07,308 --> 01:46:08,900
kids.
Just go down to the kitchen and

1706
01:46:08,900 --> 01:46:13,100
grab stuff.
No, she likes to lead the

1707
01:46:13,100 --> 01:46:16,000
cabinet's open.
Oh, if not shut them.

1708
01:46:16,300 --> 01:46:19,300
Ugly room and walk downstairs.
You're like, is this a go?

1709
01:46:19,300 --> 01:46:22,200
Yes, all the time to.
I do it all the time.

1710
01:46:22,400 --> 01:46:24,700
No, I'm like, why are all the
cabinet's open?

1711
01:46:24,700 --> 01:46:26,200
Is there a ghost of the here
now?

1712
01:46:26,400 --> 01:46:29,800
Oh no.
The was in her closet.

1713
01:46:29,800 --> 01:46:32,900
And yeah, it's closet.
So before I get any further into

1714
01:46:32,900 --> 01:46:36,000
this, I'm going to just run back
a little bit, okay?

1715
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:43,700
And say That.
Ghost activity or spiritual

1716
01:46:43,700 --> 01:46:47,000
activity, it doesn't happen for
everybody, right?

1717
01:46:47,000 --> 01:46:51,300
So like if a ghost is actually,
you know, haunting a house, one

1718
01:46:51,300 --> 01:46:54,000
person could experience at
haunting, but another person

1719
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:57,400
could not experience at home.
I agree with you and it's

1720
01:46:57,400 --> 01:47:04,200
usually based on the person that
the haunting is happening to so,

1721
01:47:04,200 --> 01:47:16,400
say if A ghost they committed
you know s word and this person

1722
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:22,000
as being haunted is going
through some depression or you

1723
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:25,000
know, suicidal thoughts.
And they're not just going

1724
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:28,100
through a rough time in her
life, this spill, it would

1725
01:47:28,100 --> 01:47:33,900
probably like latch onto them
and it'll be more able to show

1726
01:47:33,900 --> 01:47:38,200
themselves to this person.
Sorry, that just makes me think

1727
01:47:38,200 --> 01:47:39,600
about a thing that happened to
me.

1728
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:41,400
Oh goodness.
And I don't understand why,

1729
01:47:41,400 --> 01:47:44,800
because it happened immediately
after I visited a prison, maybe

1730
01:47:44,800 --> 01:47:47,700
you're going to jail.
I have never been to prison

1731
01:47:48,500 --> 01:47:51,400
darling.
So you said you've been to the

1732
01:47:51,400 --> 01:47:55,200
jail, I guess, Eastern State,
Penitentiary, you're going to a

1733
01:47:55,208 --> 01:47:57,000
jail.
Who's kidding?

1734
01:47:57,500 --> 01:48:00,500
I just ask.
That makes me interested in that

1735
01:48:00,500 --> 01:48:04,700
situation.
A weird thing happened there and

1736
01:48:04,700 --> 01:48:08,700
when I got home, hmm, I also
then said you can go home now.

1737
01:48:09,100 --> 01:48:11,300
You can go back soon.
Last one to you.

1738
01:48:11,300 --> 01:48:12,500
They want it.
They're like oh no.

1739
01:48:12,500 --> 01:48:15,500
You see you, I liked you for
some reason.

1740
01:48:15,500 --> 01:48:18,500
Let me follow you for all that
you can you can go home now.

1741
01:48:19,400 --> 01:48:22,000
No, thanks.
And then nothing else happened

1742
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:24,500
after that and they went home.
I guess they're like huh, I

1743
01:48:24,500 --> 01:48:25,900
guess she doesn't want me
around.

1744
01:48:25,900 --> 01:48:27,100
Okay, fine.
I'll go.

1745
01:48:28,900 --> 01:48:35,200
All right.
Hmm. so, oh, where is it going

1746
01:48:35,200 --> 01:48:36,300
with this?
Oh yeah, people.

1747
01:48:36,700 --> 01:48:39,300
So they attach to people for
different reasons.

1748
01:48:39,300 --> 01:48:41,000
Yeah.
So people you know, they didn't

1749
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:46,400
know what was happening and they
really didn't know Who they're

1750
01:48:46,400 --> 01:48:50,200
going to call.
And in the rain, when there is

1751
01:48:50,200 --> 01:48:54,900
something strange in your
neighborhood and in the rain,

1752
01:48:55,700 --> 01:49:01,700
well, there's the Visible man
sleeping in their bed and the

1753
01:49:01,700 --> 01:49:06,500
rain Ghostbusters.
What do they have a name for the

1754
01:49:06,500 --> 01:49:08,800
little organization?
A created was that called?

1755
01:49:09,400 --> 01:49:12,900
I didn't say the book, I they
had some sort of a little

1756
01:49:12,900 --> 01:49:16,300
organization that they created
and would help people who would

1757
01:49:16,300 --> 01:49:17,700
help them with their
investigations.

1758
01:49:17,700 --> 01:49:20,200
I Forget what it's called.
Oh my goodness.

1759
01:49:20,200 --> 01:49:22,000
Maybe it's in the second half of
the book.

1760
01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:26,000
Yeah.
So some may I want to go so deep

1761
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:30,200
in there.
So I'm going to try my best to

1762
01:49:30,200 --> 01:49:33,400
make it like just two episodes
because goodness anyway,

1763
01:49:33,400 --> 01:49:36,100
sometimes they we get, you know,
they would they would be

1764
01:49:36,100 --> 01:49:42,300
Spirits, you know, or goes And
other times, it would be a

1765
01:49:42,300 --> 01:49:45,200
little bit more.
I'd say, maybe on a demonic

1766
01:49:45,200 --> 01:49:51,800
side, a little bit, so people
living here, they would end up,

1767
01:49:51,800 --> 01:49:53,500
you know, people living in these
houses.

1768
01:49:53,500 --> 01:49:58,100
That would, you know, end up
having activity, that was going

1769
01:49:58,700 --> 01:50:01,700
wild.
Well, the general consensus when

1770
01:50:01,700 --> 01:50:06,800
it's demonic is not that the
thing is latching onto you

1771
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:08,700
because you're going through a
hard time.

1772
01:50:08,700 --> 01:50:11,100
Oh, no.
It's latching onto you because

1773
01:50:11,100 --> 01:50:12,800
it wants you.
Yeah.

1774
01:50:13,300 --> 01:50:14,900
Oh no.
Before when I was singing the

1775
01:50:14,900 --> 01:50:17,600
last one to you at that's a
spirit, talking about Spirit,

1776
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:19,500
okay?
Like when you're in a haunted

1777
01:50:19,500 --> 01:50:22,200
house and actual like haunted
house, not a demonic house.

1778
01:50:22,200 --> 01:50:23,100
No no.
Yeah.

1779
01:50:23,300 --> 01:50:27,100
Like the the difference there is
very yeah, like it would say it

1780
01:50:27,100 --> 01:50:29,000
was a demon.
You won't know it's a demon

1781
01:50:30,400 --> 01:50:32,600
beginning though.
I mean they're stages, there are

1782
01:50:32,600 --> 01:50:35,800
stages I think is like three
different stages.

1783
01:50:36,500 --> 01:50:43,500
Oppression is a good, there's
oppression something else and

1784
01:50:43,500 --> 01:50:47,500
then possession.
I got two chapters whole one is

1785
01:50:47,500 --> 01:50:53,200
like the build-up to So it's
infestation.

1786
01:50:53,200 --> 01:50:55,600
Here we go, infestation,
oppression and possession.

1787
01:50:55,600 --> 01:50:58,700
And yes infestation is when all
the weird crap happens yes

1788
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:02,300
oppression is when it just seems
like there's no other way out.

1789
01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:05,300
Yeah, some people cave to it and
go find whatever.

1790
01:51:05,300 --> 01:51:07,500
Take what you want, other people
try and fight it.

1791
01:51:07,500 --> 01:51:10,800
Bring people and help them and
then possession is the point of

1792
01:51:10,800 --> 01:51:13,400
almost no return.
Almost, yes.

1793
01:51:13,700 --> 01:51:19,000
As you seen too many Exorcist
movies but yeah, people who live

1794
01:51:19,000 --> 01:51:24,400
in these types of houses end up
being Ugly, mentally attacked by

1795
01:51:25,300 --> 01:51:32,500
whatever is there?
They would be worn the fuck down

1796
01:51:32,500 --> 01:51:36,100
from the activity going on.
And that's that's what they call

1797
01:51:36,100 --> 01:51:37,900
like oppression that that
factor.

1798
01:51:37,900 --> 01:51:44,000
They wear you down.
So types of spirits that would

1799
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:47,700
cause these types of
disturbances or like, owner,

1800
01:51:47,700 --> 01:51:50,400
whole nother level, do I even
want to know their names?

1801
01:51:50,400 --> 01:51:52,500
Their just, let's just the
demons.

1802
01:51:52,500 --> 01:51:54,000
Okay, good.
I was like, please don't get

1803
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:56,700
into other names.
No, no, it's like it fix it.

1804
01:51:56,700 --> 01:51:59,300
I'm not really sorry.
No, these are just demonic

1805
01:51:59,300 --> 01:52:01,600
Spirit interesting.
Lee enough for fifth or one

1806
01:52:01,600 --> 01:52:06,800
aspect of the Paranormal, that I
am truly afraid of.

1807
01:52:07,100 --> 01:52:11,400
Okay, you can call these demonic
or in, Humans beer.

1808
01:52:11,400 --> 01:52:13,500
Yeah, I would say it's the human
Spirits.

1809
01:52:13,500 --> 01:52:16,600
I'm like, you know what if I see
like hey Cal, what's up buddy?

1810
01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:19,800
Like walking through my
apartment like, whatever or like

1811
01:52:19,800 --> 01:52:22,100
one night, I opened my door and
I just see some random ghosts

1812
01:52:22,100 --> 01:52:25,600
walk by like, that's a person.
Like, that's a person that had

1813
01:52:25,600 --> 01:52:30,200
human experiences at some point.
Something that's not human at

1814
01:52:30,200 --> 01:52:31,600
all.
Like I said, I watch a lot of

1815
01:52:31,608 --> 01:52:35,400
different shows and like that
lady from Dead Files.

1816
01:52:35,400 --> 01:52:39,700
Amy has described so many
different things that are in

1817
01:52:39,700 --> 01:52:43,800
human.
Seem like outrageous.

1818
01:52:44,200 --> 01:52:47,000
Like, at one point, this one
family was talking about this

1819
01:52:47,000 --> 01:52:50,500
being that they saw that was
taller than their house.

1820
01:52:50,600 --> 01:52:53,700
No, I'm like this.
Huge like black shape that they

1821
01:52:53,700 --> 01:52:59,600
saw and she was definitely like,
it's something indigenous and

1822
01:52:59,600 --> 01:53:05,000
it's a part of the land and it's
older than anything else.

1823
01:53:05,400 --> 01:53:10,600
She's like, leave.
Yeah, I gotta go shoot like,

1824
01:53:10,700 --> 01:53:13,500
Like, when she talks about those
sort of things, that's when I

1825
01:53:13,500 --> 01:53:15,800
get like, and the thing that
really creeps me out about that

1826
01:53:15,800 --> 01:53:19,900
show is that she will have a
sketch artist draw up the things

1827
01:53:19,900 --> 01:53:22,700
that she see my God.
And they'll be the most bizarre

1828
01:53:22,700 --> 01:53:25,500
pictures you've ever seen.
It's not like a sketch artist

1829
01:53:25,500 --> 01:53:27,100
drawing.
It's like ghost writing or

1830
01:53:27,100 --> 01:53:30,200
whatever the heck you call her.
It's it's it's like a ghostly

1831
01:53:30,200 --> 01:53:33,100
looking thing.
Yeah, sometimes it's a thing

1832
01:53:33,100 --> 01:53:36,400
standing over their bed with its
hand inside of the person.

1833
01:53:36,400 --> 01:53:39,800
That is bothering stuff like
that really creepy things.

1834
01:53:40,100 --> 01:53:45,000
So I'm like The stuff that is in
human is where my actual level

1835
01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:48,300
of fright happens.
Okay, don't like people.

1836
01:53:51,300 --> 01:53:57,000
Um, so these are different from
your run-of-the-mill goes for

1837
01:53:57,000 --> 01:53:59,700
one goes, natural scary.
Yeah.

1838
01:54:01,100 --> 01:54:04,100
Amigos can be scary to people to
sing a dead person, float

1839
01:54:04,100 --> 01:54:04,800
around.
Come on now.

1840
01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:09,900
So ghost, naturally manifest
that any time of the day.

1841
01:54:11,000 --> 01:54:18,100
Now, these other Spirits the
witching hour they appear in, I

1842
01:54:18,100 --> 01:54:22,700
guess the lack of natural light.
So if you're living in like a

1843
01:54:22,700 --> 01:54:26,200
house, that doesn't get a lot of
light, or sun, which

1844
01:54:26,500 --> 01:54:30,000
interestingly enough.
Sometimes those houses even with

1845
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:32,900
the sun, shining through the
windows, just seemed a little

1846
01:54:32,900 --> 01:54:35,700
darker.
Yeah, I wonder why because of

1847
01:54:35,700 --> 01:54:36,700
what's?
Yeah.

1848
01:54:39,400 --> 01:54:46,100
Um, so, These spirits that
manifest that you guys see

1849
01:54:46,100 --> 01:54:50,900
manifest as like at first they
manifest as a black being like

1850
01:54:51,300 --> 01:54:53,500
not a bad person but like no.
I know what you mean?

1851
01:54:53,500 --> 01:54:55,300
Okay.
Very dark.

1852
01:54:55,300 --> 01:54:57,900
Dark being Shadow.
Yes, people.

1853
01:54:58,000 --> 01:55:01,800
Yes.
And something else I read is

1854
01:55:01,800 --> 01:55:08,400
that these spirits they feed off
of your fear is like the more,

1855
01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:12,500
you're afraid the stronger, they
get the more like the activity

1856
01:55:12,500 --> 01:55:22,300
attentive eyes and after that
it's hmm the van so they didn't

1857
01:55:22,300 --> 01:55:28,900
notice that a terrible smell
would Accompany these Spirits

1858
01:55:28,900 --> 01:55:31,600
when they manifested.
So sulfur.

1859
01:55:31,700 --> 01:55:35,300
It would be sulfur.
Nice or Rotting Flesh.

1860
01:55:35,400 --> 01:55:39,500
Oh, or I'll know that smell or I
don't know.

1861
01:55:39,500 --> 01:55:44,600
That smell to know that the I'm
smelling it or excrement.

1862
01:55:44,800 --> 01:55:48,900
I know that smell though.
Okay, so you got two out of

1863
01:55:48,900 --> 01:55:51,500
three, you get your choice.
How do you?

1864
01:55:51,500 --> 01:55:53,900
How does Ed know what?
Rotting Flesh mouth.

1865
01:55:53,900 --> 01:55:56,400
I don't know, I guess you can
speculate what you know, running

1866
01:55:56,400 --> 01:56:02,700
flesh would probably smell like
So it's gonna smell like poop

1867
01:56:02,700 --> 01:56:06,300
farts or some unknown thing.
We don't know what it smells

1868
01:56:06,300 --> 01:56:07,600
like yet.
There you go.

1869
01:56:07,600 --> 01:56:10,300
Alrighty, then something dying.
There you go.

1870
01:56:12,300 --> 01:56:17,300
So the Warrens would sense, the
presence of hatred when they

1871
01:56:17,500 --> 01:56:20,200
like, right?
Yeah.

1872
01:56:20,200 --> 01:56:27,300
I'm gonna count the spirits.
And most of the times, when they

1873
01:56:27,300 --> 01:56:29,800
were called to these houses that
were experiencing this,

1874
01:56:30,200 --> 01:56:32,800
everything was And Haywire.
Everything was already altar

1875
01:56:32,800 --> 01:56:35,500
rails.
It was a house in chaos.

1876
01:56:35,500 --> 01:56:38,500
Kind of like the way that it
worked in The Conjuring.

1877
01:56:38,500 --> 01:56:43,500
Absolutely by the time that lady
tract and in the rain down yeah

1878
01:56:43,500 --> 01:56:44,900
it was all right wasn't the
family.

1879
01:56:44,900 --> 01:56:47,500
Like everyone was sleeping in
the living room and they had to

1880
01:56:47,508 --> 01:56:51,700
like lockley had to like wrap
all of the door handles or as

1881
01:56:51,700 --> 01:56:53,800
they would fly open.
Yeah yeah.

1882
01:56:53,800 --> 01:56:57,500
Like by the time they called it
and Lorraine at that point it

1883
01:56:57,500 --> 01:56:59,500
was bad.
It's going off sideways.

1884
01:56:59,500 --> 01:57:05,800
It was bad.
So they count as fears, that

1885
01:57:05,800 --> 01:57:07,900
were very vulgar.
Hmm.

1886
01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:12,100
They would say not nice things.
Yeah, and not least ways.

1887
01:57:14,700 --> 01:57:17,800
They could like, you could
actually hear them speaking to

1888
01:57:17,800 --> 01:57:18,700
me.
Like, they can actually hear him

1889
01:57:18,700 --> 01:57:27,100
speaking to them about things.
Oh, and Miss, believe these

1890
01:57:27,100 --> 01:57:30,500
Spirits made himself known.
Of course, leaving upside down

1891
01:57:30,500 --> 01:57:37,100
crosses and writing.
Backward messages in mirrors in

1892
01:57:37,100 --> 01:57:40,000
the book.
It's I don't remember what page,

1893
01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:42,300
but I bet you, I can flip to it
real quick.

1894
01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:45,500
That looks like.
Looks like you read the crap out

1895
01:57:45,500 --> 01:57:50,000
of it.
Anyway, on this page, you can

1896
01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:53,400
see it.
There's a like on this page and

1897
01:57:53,400 --> 01:57:56,700
the word written backwards.
It says demonic and underneath

1898
01:57:56,700 --> 01:58:00,000
of it, they would like it even
be bold enough to write deaf to

1899
01:58:00,000 --> 01:58:01,100
God.
Hmm.

1900
01:58:01,200 --> 01:58:09,000
So Also not just otherworldly,
but specifically mad at Jesus.

1901
01:58:09,000 --> 01:58:13,200
Yeah, yeah.
And yes, maybe I read that book.

1902
01:58:13,200 --> 01:58:14,800
I don't know.
Whatever doesn't matter.

1903
01:58:15,200 --> 01:58:21,300
No, listen it just you, you.
Oh my goodness.

1904
01:58:21,700 --> 01:58:25,500
All right.
And, oh, I left the best part

1905
01:58:25,500 --> 01:58:28,800
for last.
So, these Spirits would even

1906
01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:32,600
leave.
How is a bodily waste to be

1907
01:58:32,600 --> 01:58:36,600
found?
Wait wait wait wait wait how I

1908
01:58:36,608 --> 01:58:40,500
don't know.
So it will either be excrement

1909
01:58:40,500 --> 01:58:44,900
or urine or even when they like
manifest it they would be like

1910
01:58:44,900 --> 01:58:49,100
he's our blood stain or some
type of like bodily fluid where

1911
01:58:49,100 --> 01:58:51,600
they manifested that.
Oh I hate it.

1912
01:58:51,700 --> 01:58:55,500
No sir but I like listen
Ghostbusters is like ectoplasm

1913
01:58:55,500 --> 01:58:59,300
how gross is that you imagine
like you're just listen I've

1914
01:58:59,300 --> 01:59:01,600
walked through the house and
accidentally stepped on a cat

1915
01:59:01,600 --> 01:59:09,700
turd because someone didn't like
clean the I can't imagine

1916
01:59:09,800 --> 01:59:14,000
walking through your house and
you step on our people turd, but

1917
01:59:14,000 --> 01:59:18,400
it's a people turd from a ghost
because you're in a house full

1918
01:59:18,400 --> 01:59:21,000
of adults, right?
You're like, where did this poop

1919
01:59:21,000 --> 01:59:23,100
come from?
And everybody else is like we

1920
01:59:23,100 --> 01:59:27,300
don't know.
It was two ghosts or the spirit

1921
01:59:27,300 --> 01:59:32,100
or the didn't, I don't know why
that's more offensive to me.

1922
01:59:32,200 --> 01:59:33,800
Like, I knew you would be upset
by that.

1923
01:59:33,800 --> 01:59:36,500
That's my rule is offensive part
of this.

1924
01:59:36,500 --> 01:59:39,100
That's why I wrote it last like
Infestation.

1925
01:59:39,200 --> 01:59:43,500
Okay, banging on pots and pans.
Just being rude, waking you up

1926
01:59:43,500 --> 01:59:47,700
in the middle of the night, but
leaving behind See.

1927
01:59:48,500 --> 01:59:52,300
And I get it, your demonic lose
whatever.

1928
01:59:53,200 --> 01:59:55,600
Oh my, it's just really
offensive to me.

1929
01:59:57,000 --> 01:59:59,900
Yeah, welcome to the house.
CP pile.

1930
02:00:00,400 --> 02:00:02,800
I'd be upset.
That's the like the lease

1931
02:00:02,800 --> 02:00:04,800
bothersome out of all of us will
be upset.

1932
02:00:04,900 --> 02:00:07,000
Yo, but how freaked out would
you be?

1933
02:00:07,000 --> 02:00:10,700
If you're like, you wake up one
night or you come home from work

1934
02:00:10,700 --> 02:00:13,900
one night, you walk into the
kitchen, there's just a blood

1935
02:00:13,900 --> 02:00:15,300
stain in the middle of the
floor.

1936
02:00:15,700 --> 02:00:17,600
You go upstairs, you're freaking
out for you.

1937
02:00:17,600 --> 02:00:19,400
Go upstairs, you Ooh, check the
children.

1938
02:00:19,400 --> 02:00:23,600
None of them have any Cuts or
wounds you knock on your

1939
02:00:23,600 --> 02:00:25,400
roommates door.
Did you cut yourself in the

1940
02:00:25,400 --> 02:00:28,700
kitchen or something?
She's like, nah, you're just

1941
02:00:28,700 --> 02:00:31,200
like, where did this Blood come
from?

1942
02:00:32,700 --> 02:00:35,100
It's just a nice little round
circle in the middle of the

1943
02:00:35,100 --> 02:00:37,600
kitchen.
Please don't go home after this.

1944
02:00:40,400 --> 02:00:42,300
I can tell a good story though.
Cabin.

1945
02:00:42,400 --> 02:00:44,800
God like that's like that's
alarming.

1946
02:00:44,800 --> 02:00:48,600
Yeah.
So indeed these weren't human

1947
02:00:48,600 --> 02:00:51,900
Spirits.
They were dealing with These

1948
02:00:51,900 --> 02:00:54,400
were so these are where their
biggest cases.

1949
02:00:54,400 --> 02:00:55,600
Come on.
Yes.

1950
02:00:55,600 --> 02:00:57,700
Absolutely.
These kinds of cases.

1951
02:00:57,700 --> 02:01:00,200
These kinds of cases where the
biggest cases, I think.

1952
02:01:00,400 --> 02:01:03,700
Yeah.
And evil was demonic.

1953
02:01:04,300 --> 02:01:07,700
Annabelle is hasn't a demonic
attachment.

1954
02:01:07,700 --> 02:01:10,200
Yeah.
Conjuring was a demonic entity.

1955
02:01:10,400 --> 02:01:14,200
Yep.
Well, I believe the Condor was a

1956
02:01:14,200 --> 02:01:21,700
demonic entity that was linked
to someone who was Conjuring the

1957
02:01:21,700 --> 02:01:27,100
occult at her home yet like and
invited things in that then

1958
02:01:27,100 --> 02:01:31,000
proceeded to like attached to
other people who did harm on the

1959
02:01:31,000 --> 02:01:33,900
same property.
Yeah this reminds me that's why

1960
02:01:33,900 --> 02:01:36,400
it's called The Conjuring.
I believe the the woman who live

1961
02:01:36,400 --> 02:01:41,800
there, who was the bad year,
woman was doing what they

1962
02:01:41,800 --> 02:01:43,800
threatened women within the
past.

1963
02:01:43,800 --> 02:01:46,600
Like, we talked about last
episode witchcraft, she was

1964
02:01:46,600 --> 02:01:49,400
actually, you know, trying to
conjure real stuff.

1965
02:01:49,400 --> 02:01:52,100
Yeah.
Now, Like that little more than

1966
02:01:52,100 --> 02:01:53,700
she bargained for.
Yeah, this kind of stuff reminds

1967
02:01:53,700 --> 02:01:55,900
me of that movie.
The Haunting in Connecticut,

1968
02:01:56,400 --> 02:01:57,700
that was a good one.
I like that one too.

1969
02:01:59,300 --> 02:02:03,900
When they held seances at this
house at a house that was a

1970
02:02:03,900 --> 02:02:10,300
morgue at once to I think you
know I once was well okay my

1971
02:02:10,300 --> 02:02:16,000
childhood church at one point we
bought a building and it used to

1972
02:02:16,008 --> 02:02:19,400
be a morgue.
Mmm, never experienced anything

1973
02:02:19,400 --> 02:02:24,300
there though.
You know, one part I like in the

1974
02:02:24,300 --> 02:02:33,600
book is that they mention that
Houdini, but who's the other

1975
02:02:33,600 --> 02:02:36,200
one?
The other magician, this is

1976
02:02:36,200 --> 02:02:39,300
Richard Price, hey, your price
Harry Price, Right?

1977
02:02:39,300 --> 02:02:42,500
Harry price.
Oh, Harry price, you remember

1978
02:02:42,500 --> 02:02:47,800
Harry price?
Um, okay, have you ever seen I

1979
02:02:47,800 --> 02:02:50,000
guess Michael Jackson's
Thriller.

1980
02:02:50,200 --> 02:02:56,200
Mmm, he does the voice in that
10 and then Harry price was in

1981
02:02:57,500 --> 02:03:01,000
front of, you know, he's another
one who was into exposing.

1982
02:03:01,000 --> 02:03:06,300
Yeah, absolutely medium.
And he also was loads of box.

1983
02:03:06,300 --> 02:03:11,600
Yeah, he was a writer, he was in
a lot of shows to and I beg I

1984
02:03:11,600 --> 02:03:13,400
rarely specifically remember
him.

1985
02:03:14,200 --> 02:03:16,300
I'm being a character in the
Scooby Doo.

1986
02:03:16,800 --> 02:03:20,300
Oh, really at one time.
Like this new Scooby-Doo movies

1987
02:03:20,300 --> 02:03:21,600
or whatever.
The heck they called, it was

1988
02:03:21,600 --> 02:03:24,400
Scrappy.
And it was, it's funny because

1989
02:03:24,400 --> 02:03:30,800
it was Scrappy Daphne Scooby,
and I think Shaggy was in it too

1990
02:03:30,800 --> 02:03:34,200
with a hairy price and he just
go investigating stuff.

1991
02:03:34,300 --> 02:03:37,100
No, Fred no Velma.
Oh, here's the thing.

1992
02:03:37,100 --> 02:03:41,200
So did he connect with that?
I believe he did.

1993
02:03:41,200 --> 02:03:45,000
And I know they mentioned him
once and I would Love like

1994
02:03:46,700 --> 02:03:50,100
really Mill.
His / know his look?

1995
02:03:50,600 --> 02:03:55,300
I'm going into Harry price and
when Houdini he eventually, like

1996
02:03:55,300 --> 02:03:57,600
down the road.
Oh yeah, I'm going to start

1997
02:03:57,600 --> 02:04:03,200
talking talk about those because
I just find that era.

1998
02:04:04,300 --> 02:04:08,700
Quite hilarious.
I just think it's great that

1999
02:04:09,000 --> 02:04:14,700
Harry Houdini was like I'm gonna
do tricks and Somebody like some

2000
02:04:14,700 --> 02:04:20,700
medium was like, yes, I know
your mother and he got so mad

2001
02:04:20,700 --> 02:04:26,600
that he devoted like the next 20
years to exposing fake mediums

2002
02:04:26,700 --> 02:04:29,700
because one of them tried to
like profit off of his leg

2003
02:04:29,700 --> 02:04:32,300
mother dying.
And from that point on, like

2004
02:04:32,300 --> 02:04:34,400
that is just some serious
outrage.

2005
02:04:34,400 --> 02:04:39,400
He was mad.
He, he's one of those cases

2006
02:04:39,400 --> 02:04:41,200
where your Thrive out of spite.
Yup.

2007
02:04:41,200 --> 02:04:44,100
That satisfied.
He was like, how dare you try

2008
02:04:44,100 --> 02:04:46,300
and use my own mother against
me.

2009
02:04:46,800 --> 02:04:50,100
He is mad.
So okay.

2010
02:04:50,100 --> 02:04:52,800
And then I don't write too much
after us.

2011
02:04:53,100 --> 02:04:56,100
So the Warrens, they would do
their best to stay away from,

2012
02:04:56,100 --> 02:05:00,200
you know, these kind of cases
demonic cases because they were

2013
02:05:00,200 --> 02:05:03,900
new and they didn't know that
much about them but they did,

2014
02:05:04,500 --> 02:05:07,200
you know, they did still do like
research about it.

2015
02:05:07,400 --> 02:05:14,400
Hmm.
And these entities are actually

2016
02:05:14,400 --> 02:05:19,700
what I will be talking about
next week on part two, huh?

2017
02:05:20,000 --> 02:05:24,900
That's gonna be I'll have to
find another positive person or,

2018
02:05:24,900 --> 02:05:29,500
you know, person to make us
happy next week because I told

2019
02:05:29,500 --> 02:05:32,100
you that's the only stuff that
makes me gives me the Spooks.

2020
02:05:32,200 --> 02:05:39,600
I'm going to be going into the
demons dance.

2021
02:05:39,700 --> 02:05:44,000
Some Things.
And some never, anybody says

2022
02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:46,900
demons I think about buzz feed
themselves and I think about

2023
02:05:46,900 --> 02:05:51,300
Shane Verde with his glasses.
Hey demons.

2024
02:05:51,500 --> 02:05:57,800
It's me, your boy, that's like
the best quote from that entire

2025
02:05:57,800 --> 02:06:01,000
like eight seasons.
They have of making stuff.

2026
02:06:01,700 --> 02:06:04,200
It's me your boy.
Oh my God.

2027
02:06:04,500 --> 02:06:08,100
You know, that's what a great
like that's a great series to

2028
02:06:08,200 --> 02:06:09,800
skeptic and a Believer.
Yeah.

2029
02:06:10,700 --> 02:06:14,700
I'm pretty, I'm pretty still on
the fence of I mean I believe I

2030
02:06:14,708 --> 02:06:21,100
don't believe pretty anyway.
I believe I believe I on the way

2031
02:06:21,100 --> 02:06:24,700
here I actually like
coincidentally a was talking

2032
02:06:24,700 --> 02:06:28,200
about demons in the scientific
community community.

2033
02:06:28,200 --> 02:06:34,600
Oh my God, I cannot talk and how
I guess there's different types

2034
02:06:34,600 --> 02:06:38,100
of demons but they're not that
different.

2035
02:06:38,400 --> 02:06:40,600
Yeah, so it's a different type
of demon that sign.

2036
02:06:40,800 --> 02:06:43,600
Just like refer to I'm
interested in this.

2037
02:06:43,600 --> 02:06:47,400
Yeah, I'm literally gonna google
NPR demon please done.

2038
02:06:47,700 --> 02:06:50,200
It was on this morning and it
came on tonight too because they

2039
02:06:50,208 --> 02:06:53,200
were eventually replaced up.
It's almost that's right.

2040
02:06:53,300 --> 02:06:55,700
I was sort of Divine Providence.
Yeah, that's right.

2041
02:06:55,700 --> 02:07:01,400
Listen to NPR fight me.
But yeah, I was just like demons

2042
02:07:01,400 --> 02:07:06,100
and Scientific Technology and
how it helps somehow, but yeah.

2043
02:07:06,700 --> 02:07:09,800
Um, but that's all I have for
this week.

2044
02:07:11,000 --> 02:07:12,100
Sorry.
Leave you guys hanging.

2045
02:07:12,100 --> 02:07:14,700
I could talk about more but I'm
going to leave it there.

2046
02:07:15,000 --> 02:07:16,900
Yeah, we already had a two-hour
Mark.

2047
02:07:17,000 --> 02:07:18,400
Are you serious?
Yes, we did.

2048
02:07:18,400 --> 02:07:21,000
My God, this was rambling.
Talking about other stuff.

2049
02:07:21,100 --> 02:07:23,500
That's all right.
That's what the people are here

2050
02:07:23,500 --> 02:07:25,100
for you.
Oh my God.

2051
02:07:25,100 --> 02:07:26,900
But yeah, thanks so much for
listening.

2052
02:07:26,900 --> 02:07:28,800
As usual.
Yes.

2053
02:07:30,200 --> 02:07:32,500
If you happen to list all the
listen to all the way here, you

2054
02:07:32,500 --> 02:07:36,600
might as well drop a review for
us on Apple podcasts because

2055
02:07:36,600 --> 02:07:40,600
obviously you are one of the
real.

2056
02:07:40,800 --> 02:07:44,500
Deal hardcore followers of this
content.

2057
02:07:44,500 --> 02:07:47,400
If you've made it to the 2:00
hour and five minute Mark, I do

2058
02:07:47,400 --> 02:07:51,100
apologize for talking so much.
But yeah, we that rating review.

2059
02:07:53,000 --> 02:07:54,800
What else if you want to send us
a voicemail.

2060
02:07:55,000 --> 02:07:55,900
You great.
You do that.

2061
02:07:55,900 --> 02:07:58,800
Anchor dot f m / when Killers
get caught.

2062
02:07:59,200 --> 02:08:02,200
Soon as you go on, the main page
will be a little chat box.

2063
02:08:02,200 --> 02:08:04,000
You can click that and leave us
a voicemail.

2064
02:08:04,300 --> 02:08:07,100
Yep.
And you can also send emails at

2065
02:08:07,400 --> 02:08:10,000
podcast at gmail.com.
Absolutely.

2066
02:08:10,800 --> 02:08:14,200
You can find Miss Brittany on
Tick-Tock.

2067
02:08:14,700 --> 02:08:16,900
Always it caught podcast.
I'm going to try and get Brian

2068
02:08:16,900 --> 02:08:18,000
on there with me.
Yeah.

2069
02:08:18,000 --> 02:08:23,100
And if you would like to hear
more of us talking to each other

2070
02:08:24,100 --> 02:08:31,100
Brian streams on Twitch, I foxy
trainer and I give delightful

2071
02:08:31,100 --> 02:08:35,600
commentary while he plays games.
Yes, I'm currently playing on

2072
02:08:35,600 --> 02:08:37,800
Maury.
I'm not sure how long this game

2073
02:08:37,800 --> 02:08:42,700
is but yeah, it's going on.
Towers in, ya know, right?

2074
02:08:42,800 --> 02:08:48,500
I just met Pluto.
And our food, our wants is to be

2075
02:08:48,500 --> 02:08:50,800
free to travel how he wants to
the universe.

2076
02:08:50,800 --> 02:08:54,300
That such a touching story, my
God, but thanks so much for

2077
02:08:54,300 --> 02:08:57,400
listening.
I hope wherever you happen to be

2078
02:08:58,000 --> 02:09:01,300
this has brought you some Joy.
Yes.

2079
02:09:02,000 --> 02:09:05,800
And if you hated it, I'm sorry.
That's true.

2080
02:09:06,900 --> 02:09:09,500
Have a good night wherever you
are in the world or good day.

2081
02:09:09,500 --> 02:09:11,100
Yes, bye.
Bye.

2082
02:09:11,200 --> 02:09:11,700
Bye.