Episode 1: Dr.Marcel Petiot , The fake nazi killer of World War II

0:32 Hey there, everyone. In serial killer country. My name is Brittany. Ransom, and my name is Brian. And this is when Killers get caught, a podcast devoted to deep dives, into the lives and psyches The Killers. We love to learn about each week. We'll discuss something new and interesting in the serial killer world. Then we'll discuss one. Well-known or lesser known killer, and go deep into their childhood lives methodology. And most importantly, how they got caught. And then because most serial killer fans, love a little spook. Brian will lead us down the road of the Paranormal Cryptids or something that he found to become particularly creepy. This week, we're talking about news updates on America's most prolific serial killer then, dr. Marcel Pho. The French real killer most active during World War Two and then Brian will be doing. Oh, I'll be covering James Dean in the curse of little bastard. Oh, wow.

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2:03 As of right now, they only know that it's he died of something in the hospital on December thirty, first, twenty twenty hours of December 30th 30th, December 30th. If you don't know who this person is, his name is Samuel little and he has 60. The victims so far because they're still finding connections to people. He murdered decades ago across the country. Yes, he's actually cleaned it killed 93. Yeah, and I guess that seems like such a small number because, you know, we have our Ted Bundy's and other people who claimed to have killed over 100 women but they claim, right?

2:43 But they could never confirm those people here. We I've actually been collecting DNA DNA evidence over the years. And we know it was at least 60. Ya gotta love those DNA kits. And the ones that never get actually tested. Yes, I'm so jacked up but I don't know what else to say about this guy. He was a boxer and you were just telling me before we started recording that he had a thing for neck behenna, he had a thing for necks and early child. What do you do about that? What are your child?

3:24 I don't know. Just keep him away from me. Yeah, I'm not entirely sure. He got a thing for next. He also had a thing for prostitutes. Those were the majority of his victims people who he thought nobody was going to be looking for. And since he was a boy, I guess a boxer I guess we're saying. He was some kind of a celebrity. I didn't really know anything about him. Did you know he's arrested 26 times in 11 states? No, but what you did show me was the horrible ugly photos of the women that he killed heat. They drew pictures of them. In was in prison their horrific. I don't know. I just saw him and I will have nightmares tonight. If anybody's watching this on YouTube, I will definitely throw up these photos on the YouTube video because they're horrible. They're like, I don't know, some sort of abstract vision of women.

4:19 He wanted to kill exactly. They're like children's crayon drawings of people who they know, but not really. Apparently, he spent half his life murdering People from 1970 to 2005, which is wild because I feel like I don't remember hearing about him. I was only Just getting out of high school when this guy got. Yeah. When he got caught and I was in high school you're only here behind me you have else but yeah apparently that's so far California's state corrections have only said he just died from something in the hospital. I was like, did he die from covid? It has to be cool.

4:59 What else? I don't smoke quarters. You know, there's no social justice. No, social distancing in prison? No, not at all. One thing we do know is that he did used to like knock out his victims like with a hard, like, right hook before he strangled them, which means that there weren't always obvious sign that the person had actually been murdered, which is why we didn't know so many of them were You know, and I guess the FBI finalized like in 2019 or that many of his confessions were actually the truth, really? Yeah.

5:41 So my thought processes is, did he really actually kill all 93? Then I mean that's a really specific number. But I guess that's the biggest thing. And he didn't even get arrested, can't even get arrested for being a serial killer, you got a rest of her being a for drugs? Yeah. And they did a DNA test on him and that's why we need to do, all these DNA tests Across America. That's why 23andMe get the ancestry done. Know, that is why I won't get the ancestry DNA, 23, anything done? Because I don't like that. The government can just take your DNA. Okay, what a help. So I know that it's very conspiracy, but Didn't like that. The government will just request your DNA or something that people they don't like that.

6:24 Of course not. I feel like your DNA, your body DNA should still be something that you have to use a request. I feel like if I ever get caught being a serial killer ever and it grew me doing my ancestry or 23andMe, oh, that's kind of cool. Okay, whatever they're not there. What we're going to do right now is we're going to move into the main segment which is that tonight I'm going to be leading you on a journey with we're going to learn about a Doctor by the name of Marcel Peach. Oh and he is a friend to your killer. He's also been called dr. Satan and he was charged with 27, murders, convicted of 26, but he admitted to more than 60.

7:11 The big thing that brought me to this guy is the way that he was caught and the fact that he insisted until his death that All of his victims were Germans or German sympathizers. Okay, great. So the thing is if he had actually done that if he and if he had actually done that he would have been one of those people we talked about in. All right, now he's not. Yeah, look at this guy. He killed all these Nazis. How cool glaze bastard shit. Yeah. Like those three women who used to lure Nazis into the woods and kill them like he would be one of those people but he's not, he's not, but we're going to start with the beginning of his life which is that he was born January, 17th 1897. Evan and like most serial killers, he had a lot of problems in his childhood.

7:56 It starts out primary school. He has a lot of trouble with violence, inappropriate sexual behavior. And this one, this one was really so good. He's 11 years old. Okay. He brings his father's gun to school. Propositions, another 11 year old for sex and then shoots off the gun to tell her he's serious. Yes, but that doesn't get him in trouble. That is a teenager. He begins, small crimes, theft destruction of property, that sort of thing, he gets arrested, officially for the first time at 17 trying to rob a post office box. So wait, I don't know why you would do that. Did you see something?

8:40 Like, I don't know. Like, can you imagine trying to like steal from a blue post office box in America? No, you can steal people's bills and Christmas cards. I mean, it's all my bills if you want to pay them, but either way, they recommend that he be evaluated by a psychiatrist and this will not be the first time this happened in this man's life. Then. He's did, they determine he suffering from some mental illness and they dropped the charges we're in its 1940. Now, he actually gets expelled so many times during his school career that they have to send him to a special Academy in Paris and he graduates in 1915. So despite B, all of this, he joined the French army and World War One answering service, January 16th. Now, during the Second Battle of n, he gets wounded and gassed. And he begins to show the symptoms of what they called, been a breakdown, which is post-traumatic stress disorder. It's the spring of 1917, so they mentally assess him again, and they said him in for treatment under psychological care. He gets arrested for theft this time for stealing blankets morphine wallets, photographs, and letters from other patients. They dropped the charges after diagnosing him with something called mental equilibrium, neurasthenia mental depression, Melancholia, obsessions and phobias. No, I had to look these up because I've never heard of these diagnosis before I just like Melancholia, I know race. So, neurasthenia is this old

10:13 timey, medical condition where pretty much, you just get headaches, fatigue, you're irritable Disturbed. I feel like I have neurasthenia like everybody. I don't know why, this was a special term but the mental equilibrium is interesting. Now, this is a real thing right now. But back then what they considered mental, equilibrium was a condition where your mental state and the environment is off. So your brain is taking in stimulation from the world around you, but you are not interpreted, interpreting it correctly. So, pretty much he was having some sort of delusions and then Melancholia seems to be what we would. All major depressive disorder, okay example it was just super sadness is what they call it apparently Melancholia. You have been diagnosed with super sadness. I definitely have likewise likewise by Brendan. Okay.

11:08 So however being given six different diagnosis, this does not stop you from being called back during the war because they sent him to the front lines of battle again in 1918. But this time, he's like, no, I'm done and shoots himself in the foot. Foot that's more everything. Okay, front lines. Know how many peel some potatoes or something or write? He could have done anything. He could have been a chef for the war. He could have been a radio, operator, know, something crazy guy, all crying. Yeah. So he gets put in a different regimens September and then they sent him for a psych evaluation again this time they discharged him with a disability and in fact on his military discharge papers, they recommend That he be committed to an asylum.

11:56 This point this man is like only 20 years old but instead no, no no, they did not admit him into Asylum, they allowed him to join an accelerated education program for veterans and here he becomes a doctor. Okay. See this is your problem. This is there. You have all these signs in front of you and you just no, no, no. Push them aside already hit. I know. We've a lot of sides here, but we're not even at the craziest part of the story yet. So after the war he gets his credentials, he is now doctor and my son teach. Oh, he moves to the new sir, Ian and 1921 and he gets a lot of patience and he's considered to be a very Charming intelligent trusted doctor.

12:38 In reality though, he's pretty corrupt and he's been purposely. Prescribing highly addictive drugs to his patients, while secretly applying for medical assistance for the patients, so he can get paid twice. By both the government of France and his patients who are paying out of pocket. He's also addicted to narcotics himself at this point and has gained a reputation for petty theft and Performing illegal abortions. Mmm, so now we talked about what is thought to be his first official murder. He has an affair with a patient's teenage daughter in 1926. He's in his like late 20s. At this point, her name is Louise Louise, Della VA and Louise disappears in the May of 1926.

13:19 The neighbors report seeing bucho put a very large trunk in his car. Exactly. The same kind of Trumps that they pull out of the Ian River. Just a few weeks later that just so happens to be full of women's body parts. So the neighbors report, this. Yeah, They did okay sweetie. Okay. And the French police say that it's a coincidence and Della Valle is officially logged as a runaway. What? No. Despite the Scandal he would run for mayor and he wins after he hires someone to Heckle his opponent during his speeches. So campaign interference. Yep.

14:00 Yep. Yep. Campaign interference it is. Oh my goodness. And he still want whatever. That in 1928, he married your jet level ear, she's a 23 year, old daughter of a wealthy landowner and they have a son named Gerhard. Who's born in April of nineteen, Twenty Eight, but if you think his time to see mayor who's easy, aha, I was not. He's accused of killing and stealing taxpayer money. He's accused of stealing oil from the railroad apartment that one. He actually got convicted for and sentenced to three months in jail, but gets overturned in appeals. This he gets a suspension as mayor for Month. And he ends up staying there until 1931. Now, despite the constant complaints of fact in the office is Mayor, he wins a seat on the general counsel, which would make him the youngest man to do.

14:52 So, and we'll news story on History, where he goes right back to government feeling. He gets charged with stealing power from the city. I don't even know how you do that. Well, first, you get like a very long extension cord and you just the city next city over just boy, you know who the energy from them, I don't know. I'm like, will teach us not paying the electric bills. Was he like cranking up the bill that the city was probably a charging? The building, having the money himself. He seems like someone who was, you know, pretty into fraud. So, I feel like this was right. A lot of embezzlement big issue with kleptomania this man.

15:35 But he gets fined for stealing the power, and he loses, he's on his loses, his seat on the council. And this is what he decides. You know, what I should do. I'm gonna move to Paris, Okay, so here we are. It's Paris 1933. He's only killed one person so far in his career. This is not exactly serial killer Vibes. He's been growing at his medical practice and on the surface he is a doctor with an impeccable reputation. A reputation that he used fake credentials to get But the rumors start in Paris that he is making his patients addicts. He's performing illegal abortions again. So this goes on, for the next couple of years in 1936, he's appointed to What's called the medicine. They toss Seville, which is the person who has the authority to write death, certificates in the town, I guess that would be the equivalent of like are not medical examiner but the person above that person is the medical examiner but it's the person who's that has a the end.

16:46 End of the chain decides exactly. Like they write everything on the death certificate in the corner. Yes. Like the coroner's reports. Yeah. That's kind of the job that he would get at this point. He still can't keep his kleptomania under control and he's arrested for both theft and assaulting a police officer. But this time when he's about evaluated, they say that he's insane, and they institutionalize him for a year. This would be the first time, he has been officially like institutionalized for a long period of time first time. The suggested that it was years ago, yeah they suggested it when he got out of the military and when he was in the military, they kept them in for a couple months but not enough.

17:28 But he gets released and his doctors are very unsure. Whether he stable enough to be around Society, but that doesn't change the fact they let him out. Anyway, He commits tax fraud immediately and gets fine in charge for these crimes. So by the time, Germany invades France in 1939, this guy has a massive criminal record and a long list of psychiatric diagnosis. And the thing is, when the Germans first settle in France, he establishes himself as a member of the resistance and he's actually doing like really good things. He provides false medical records and disability certificates for people who are being forced into German labor camps. So essentially Really, he's creating these documents to say, like, oh, this person.

18:12 Can't do hard labor, right? Right. He's having them out a little bit and the people who are workers, he treats them when they come back from the camps. But he can't stop over prescribing narcotics and he would get him convicted again in 1942, Jesus, fucking Christ, just stop, you're not there, you're not good. You keep getting caught. Yeah, stop it. After this, with the big narcotics candle of 1942. He A new name. He becomes dr. Eugene and sets up a false Escape Network for resistance Fighters. Now, this is kind of where I think this is probably the scummiest thing I would say this man does. So just kind of like in America during like slavery, times where the Underground Railroad.

18:55 This was kind of the same thing. But for Jews and other people that the Gestapo were looking for, they created these kinds of networks that were underground, except he shows were all fake. He called it Fly talks and he told these people that he was connected with the Argentinian authorities and he could get people transported from France to South America. And he didn't do this out of the kindness of his heart, he charged 25,000 francs. So I looked this up and it's about 28 thousand US dollars, but that was in 1942 inflation, mix that over four hundred thousand US dollars, that he was taking from people. This was people's entire life savings just to get This the get out of whatever it will see, essentially people were giving their entire life savings with the opportunity to potentially, get away from France and WWII, right? Totally understandable.

19:49 And I mean that, you know, I would, I would probably be ones who bought into it and get killed. Yeah, definitely. Also he offered it to criminals to and other members of the resistance, come on. But he had three accomplices role for are admin pins, hard and Renee. Gustavus. But it's nazan debt and their main job was to go and find people and direct them to dr. Eugene, so once you met the victims, he tell them that he needed to get them inoculated in order to travel, but instead he was injecting them with cyanide. He was still all their valuables, collect their money and dispose of the bodies. Now, this becomes a big business and he starts to spot disposing them first, by throwing them in the scene River, but that becomes too obvious.

20:35 So he sets up a quick line basement and his backyard, but that's not doing it fast enough. So he starts trying to incinerate the bodies in the fire when you call that. Oh my goodness. It would be like a boiler room type situation and I'm not a regular house with this is the 40th so I can't exactly remember what you put it. In. But, he's incinerating. These people in his basement. Oh, oh yeah, I wouldn't know what to call it. I can't remember - yeah, like, in the furnace in his basement, which is not logical at all, because a furnace does not get hot enough to completely destroy a body. Like bodies are cremated at 2,000 to 3,000 degrees depending on the size of the person.

21:16 But listen, this is what he's doing and this is all happening in this house that he bought in 1941. That's down the street, from the Arc de Triomphe. Do you know what that is? I have no idea. Okay, well if you go to Paris right now, the Arc de Triomphe, is those beautiful giant arches. Oh yes. One of the largest tourist, attractions both then. And now you knew it it was by looking at it because really beautiful arches. That's our country homes and I didn't know me, it's one of the biggest but it's one of the biggest tourist attractions in all of France outside of Oh my gosh. Yes the Eiffel Tower your big so silly. Yeah, yeah but outside of the Louvre and the Eiffel Tower, these are these are the places you go. When you go to visit Paris for the first time. So he's literally like a couple blocks away from the biggest tourist attraction in his City burning bodies and dumping them in the backyard.

22:22 Oh my gosh, he's burning people. He's burning people. Right bye. Oh my goodness. Yes. Yes, there are people just walking around just like, what's that smell. Hmm. Well, here's the thing, though, this didn't exactly go on as long as he wanted it to our boy Marcel, really struggles with keeping a low profile and it isn't long before the Gestapo find out about him in this underground route. Now, they assume the doctor is a member of the resistance and they try and set up a sting operation. And they force a prisoner, whose name is Ivan Dreyfuss to go to the network and Dreyfuss just disappears. I'm assuming he gets murdered by dr. Kucho Ow, and they keep trying until someone actually makes it through. And then they arrest for ye pins hard and doesn't that.

23:06 Now, after being tortured, they tell the Gestapo that Eugene is actually dr. Marcel bucho. And they pick him up too. So, they decide here to release nazan that. Because, I guess you must have been the one who turned first. They keep the others and Peach. Oh, and his wife In prison for, I believe eight months under suspicion of helping Jews escape. And they keep asking them, you know, who were the other members of the resistance, where are the resistance camps? But these people don't know, because they literally aren't working with the resistance. It's all fake. Okay. Look, let me break it down to you. Okay? Look, listen. It's big.

23:47 They're like, we don't know anyone from the resistance, you just don't know, just using this to kill people. Okay, that's all we're doing. There's still people. They finally all get released January 1944. Now, two months later, March 11th, 1944 be shows, neighbors have had it up to here. They've made local complaints, you know, the neighborhood, watch, people talked about it, but finally, they're like, okay, there's this horrible smell coming from this man's house and giant, dark clouds of smoke are coming from the chimney. I can only assume that he must have been burning. The bodies may be in smaller pieces or in small amounts. And maybe in this instance, he was doing too many at once because kind of like when you burn a green Branch, it releases a different sort of smoke, right? Then something that's dry and brittle. So this was giving off a different sort of smoke than should normally be coming from a chimney. So what you're saying is you should we just grind the body cell.

24:46 Maybe maybe then it would have just been regular gray smoke but for some reason, this thick dark black smoke is coming out of his chimney and people are worried, so they call the police and the police are like, oh that's probably a house fire. So they call the fireman who walk into this guy's house and stumble across ten bodies. In various states of decomposition, they find bodies in the backyard and a quick lime pit. And they also find body parts in canvas bags. Then they find suitcases, and Property of some of his victims. This is immediately international news and it's in all of the papers reaching as far as Switzerland and Belgium, The show goes into hiding. He tells his friends at the Gestapo were after him for his work with the resistance. Because he killed German informants, he and Pam. Are you always lying?

25:37 Oh my God, stop in Lyon. I know I know he moves in one of his patients named. George is redoubt and he lets his beard grow out and he begins using many of the different aliases that he has during this time but he settles on one. Henry, the Larry. And those who feel, how was one a Larry? Oh my gosh, what are you doing? Dad jokes, but he changed his name to Henry, Valeri. He grows. He grows up that mustache. And he joins What's called the French's French forces of the interior, which are French forces there, like slightly different than regular French cops but regardless, he joins and he's immediately very good at this job of being a cop and he rises to the rank of Captain. Still quite quickly. so, That ball a newspaper called resistance.

26:41 Runs a story about dr. Marcel, Pho, and accuses him of being a German collaborator, Police begin searching for him again this time, very seriously and they draft Captain Henry Valeri to find this dangerous Fugitive. Now, the show's biggest mistake here, in all of this, is that he sends his attorney. A letter asking, the attorney to tell the public, that the newspaper is full of lies. This alerts, the police to the fact that the show is still in Paris. Until then they thought that he had left town a month later, October. 31st 1944.

27:29 He is recognized, and arrested in the Paris Metro which is their Subway on him. He's got Thirty One Thousand francs, a pistol and 50 different sets of false identification. I don't know if he was deciding to leave at this point, like he was trying to just get because as we know, we said 28,000 was about 400. The US Dollars. Yeah, so we're talking about about 500k, he was ready to bail, he was ready to leave. He was getting out there during, I mean, at this point, they take them, they rip apart his house and they find roughly the remains of about 26. Different bodies, 2627. They're not quite sure if the trial is a big deal.

28:11 It's a huge spectacle and he swears that he is a member of the resistance and that he only ever killed enemies of France. He claims that he discovered the bodies in his home after he was released from the Gestapo because he was in prison with the Gestapo for eight months and he is so he's like, listen just like you. They must have been the other collaborators with me in the resistance must have left these bodies in my house. I mean, I let people stay there while I was gone. I have no idea what he's buying came from officer, hmm. But the police check and he actually doesn't have any friends. In any of the major resistance camps, some of the groups that he said he was a part of didn't even exist.

28:57 And coincidentally, when he originally was interrogated, he admitted to killing 19, German collaborators between 1940 and 1945, but they decided to actually charge him with the evidence. They found when they had pretty much pulled apart of house. And like I said, if you're watching Youtube, I am, there's loads of pictures. I'm going to be throwing up here right now, they ripped his house apart. There's loads of photos of him, just like piles of stuff out in the streets. Like they were, like, we're going to pull it apart. I'm like that movie we watched the other night where there was clearly a wall that need to be ripped down because there were definitely body my God that wall wasn't last night. Yes, yes. There were clearly bodies behind that wall. The French police were not having they were like, listen. There could be bodies in this wall and we're going to break them down.

29:44 So ultimately they can only determine 26. Different people from these remains. He keeps saying that 19 were part of the 65 enemies. He killed His lawyer tries, his best to portray him as a resistance hero. But the jury and the judge are just not impressed. Probably, because P show decided to taunt the prosecution during his trial. So not only is he like not exactly the smartest but he's also real arrogant. He is Pope that Barrel quicker like you're taking a good nap and here's the best part about this. Not only is he found guilty of murder for profit. They also charged him with 135 other crimes. And he is sentenced to execution by way of the guillotine. His last words on March 25th, 1945 were gentlemen, I asked you not to look, this will not be very pretty. And this ends one of the most ridiculous and incredible criminal careers I have ever read about in my entire life. Nice, nice.

30:50 Oh my goodness. Every time I kept looking up information about this guy, it was just that's what I said to you when I was telling you about this, that there were so many opportunities in this person's life to direct the sun different location to cut him off at the pass. Like you could have stopped this way before all this happened and let me just let this go and there you go. Multiple people dead. I mean even a situation with the teen girl who he was dating and I have my feelings about how teenagers should not be dating people in their mid-20s, but whatever, right. And we're not gonna talk about that today, but just he puts a trunk, it is car and the neighbors are like, hey, we saw him with a trunk like that, one that you found in the river the other day and the police just go nice. It's a coincidence, us nothing.

31:46 What yours? You're crazy. What are you talking about? And I find that overwhelmingly. I think these cases, especially in the past, didn't get like we have so many unsolved cases and so many situations like this because the police were just like What you gonna do? I don't know, chime lady. Oh yeah. Yes, we could spend hours discussing the police in the jump and he Marie MC case and how they just didn't do anything. Yes. But knows that John Mulaney. We need to that one then, one bit with the cops and it's like detectives from like the 50's and he's like, and they're like, oh, That's a probably as a puddle of blood girls, so a mop that up.

32:34 Anyway, back to my hunch, it's really accurate. The belief in the past, just I don't know what police work was back then. I don't know, I can't tell ya. It was just I think it was just drawing guard said boards. Oh yes, yes tea. Yes, that lets you know and you have to okay from the pins, you put in the board, you have to wrap a little yarn around it. Then draw a connection to another spot. That's exactly. What do you have an early day? Let's go. All right. So this next part of our podcast is part of the Creeps of Brian. I think that's what we're calling it. We're calling it.

33:18 Something that's your at least your Tick Tock name. There you go. Creeps are Brian. Um goodness all you now, okay, so today I'll be telling the story of jeans. Dean in his car is, 550, Porsche Spyder little bastard. This is a big deal. I think I've heard a little bit about this in the past. I hope so. I didn't certain people have it and bad things happen. Every person who owned it, that some speculations. Yes. Okay. There are some claims on this. I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready for this. All right, so for those of you who don't know Jean who don't know who James E was he was an American actor.

34:02 His full name is James Byron Dean. He was born February eat 1931 that day. Correct. Oh okay. And Mary young Indiana. But after the death of his mother, he had moved to Fairmount Indiana. What's his on it? Uncle Like I mentioned before, James Dean was an actor. Some of those famous movies were Rebel Without a Cause East of Eden and giant. He's well known as being like one of the cultural icons teen heartthrob. Oh yes.

34:43 Like he paid. He played that out in the fluffy hair and the stair. Yes. What was it? What was that? There's a name for like how like the characters he played they were just like oh okay I got us a bad guys wasn't Rebel Without a Cause like they were the bad teen boy Rebels. So yeah he played like the teen heartthrob he was a bad boy. Very much like Johnny Depp in the beginning of his career with like crybaby. Yes yeah definitely like this like bad Sullen teenage heartthrob. Absolutely. Let's see.

35:26 So, Rebel radicals, in giant, were both released after his death. Oh oh wow, I didn't know that. Yes yes. Yes, they were both released after his death. That's like the big movie. He's known for which one? Oh yeah. Definitely I think of him. I think of that movie. The Giant came out after that 1 1956. Okay. Well when did he die them? 1955. Okay, Dean became the first actor to receive a pose humorous Boomers. As his humid heat posthumus, it's posthumous Academy Award nomination for best actor, okay? And remains of you do the only actor to receive to posthumus acting nominations.

36:10 Okay, did he win though? Not sure. Probably not. If it's not, if you didn't notice it in your reader know, it did not come up that you just orders nomination. Like yeah, you got nominated for Academy Award after he died but I We're not gonna give it to him. Yeah, I mean, he got nominated. That's, you know. Especially all that matters. Just, like many people. He had more than one passionately. Okay, good and evil actor and well, I kind of an idea since the car is were such a big deal here. Was he a driver or racing? Yeah. Yeah, he's passionate was going fast. Like, Ricky Bobby, I go. Fast gotta go fast like Sonic the Hedgehog. I was just about to say that great movie.

36:53 So he had a thing for Porsche has won. His first course is was 356 super Speedster. I couldn't tell you what that looks like, because I don't know cars but I'm here listening, you're right. So I don't know a lot about cars but I know like it was a Porsche and it has the word super Speedster. It, it must be good. It must be good. Must be fast. It's a, it's the kind of car that are really like, well-known Hollywood actor can buy right? Yeah, that's what you know, gotta go fast. So he had a tenant racing events before and after rubber Eva calls having success in his races, with the super Speedster. He sees another Porsche. This would be would be his 1955.

37:35 Porsche. 550 spider that he named little bastard. Okay. So this is the car that everyone wanted. Yes, is he be EA? You difficult? Oh, oh, okay, it's fucked. Okay, let me look it up. I want to see the little bastard. I'm into old cars. Like I'm not, I don't know a lot about cars, but like I said, when I see an old car, I'm just like, okay, okay, I get it, I get it. Yeah, when I see cars like Downs, like, ooh, my heart thinks it's cute. This is a cute car. Like I said, if you're watching on YouTube, we will put up all of these cars that Rider mentioning because some of us don't know, cars like that. So he enters Salinas, the Salinas Road Race, which was scattered on October 1st. I said California.

38:21 So yes to the second which he unfortunately, we're not make Also, he didn't die in a race. You do not Diner. He's okay. Ha ha ha, ha ha ha. I don't know what about this? So I'm here for it. All right, so now we get to that part. So on September 30th 1955 as he's on his way to the event. What is done is done? Queer coordinator, Bill Hickman, he's the photographer for coners. It's a national Illustrated. Magazine name is Sanford. Roth. He's a, he's a photographer and the German mechanic behind Dean spider things Roth.

39:05 Worcester Rich German names are very hard. Yes, I can I get that? Okay, I apologize if I got that wrong. I'm pretty sure I did a German family. Let us know. He hopes so Dean was driving little bastards breaking in based on rules so so it was a new car. It was a new car. He bought it a week before the race. That is like a party Foul. Yeah. So you know he had a he had a breaking in with the rich who was who was a mechanic on the car. He hit his suggestion Sedin to breaking in, he'll just drive it too. The race. So you know it's it's you know, the gears turning. Yeah.

39:49 But I feel like if you're a racer, you need to have a Mastery of your car, not like just breaking a little bit. I mean it's a poor she's giving a horse before you know. Listen I'm not really a huge Nascar fan, but I have gone to a race before and I feel like those people have, not only gotten their cars a week before the race. This is true. They do. They do practice. Thank you. Thank you. So maybe this is this is like a NASCAR kind of raised at their you're doing. Yeah, I don't exactly know what sort of racing you were doing in these sort of cars, either. This looks like a luxury vehicle. It's not but it's a, it's a like it's compared to his other horse.

40:31 This one's like the actual like actual race car. Okay. Okay, actual go fast, go fast. They didn't tell you why he called it little bastard. Such an interesting name. I know I just wonder. But yeah, this is okay. So okay, so Dean James Dean and Musa Rich. They were driving in little bastard, right? And the other two were driving separately from it. So early today at I think it's 3:30 p.m. Dean has gotten a speeding ticket on his while driving a little bastard. Okay. It was 3:30. So next part, wasn't that surprising expert.

41:13 That's coming up. Isn't that surprising? Okay. So, your crew was on her way to the event. Going down, Route, 46. Another car was entering an intersection in front of Dean pretty sure the car cut Dean off. Like the cut record did not see Dean coming right. Road, it was afford to door. Okay, now if you look it up there's actually a nice car too. Okay. Yeah, but that's the thing with him, not being a well you know, seasoned racer. So compared to the Ford the little bastard was a lot smaller like closes underground. Yeah. So I can tell you, I can see how the for didn't see the spider, the spider coming up, but imagine being the person who killed like James Dean, oh, you would feel so bad. It's like it's like in in the other guys when Oh, what's his name?

42:14 Um, the Yankee Creek was, like, Yankee Clipper, have you not seen? Oh, goodness. Everybody who ever have seat has seen the other guys. You know what I mean? Like, it's like the Yankee Clipper. Basically, like you, you shot Derek Jeter and his leg. You ruined their season. Thanks a lot. So, the drivers afford, his name was Donald turn up. Turn up the seed. So Dean salsa for coming out in front of them. So he started, he tried to slow down a little bit until you start. I'll explain it later but you try to slow down a little bit. Okay.

42:59 And he impacted with the passenger side of the Ford and the spider was thrown across the highway, so like bounce across the highway 80 across the pink. Yeah. And we'll so rich. He was thrown from the car and Dean was, unfortunately trapped inside the car. Okay, he suffered from several lifetimes. Threatening injuries including a broken neck. Yeah, he made it to the hospital. On the scene. Okay, I didn't think one could survive through your neck breaking outside of like a Grey's Anatomy. So so as like you he was fading, he was fading about as I move him into the ambulance so but they pronounced him DOA, okay? When he died, while he was in the hospital, I think it was like as soon as you hit the, you know that you never arrival when he got to the hospital at the Apostle rolls warmer. Memorial hospital and I was at 6:20. Yeah.

44:06 Okay, so when do we get to the death car situation? Most of it wasn't the with the car being destroyed. How is it like this around? So the car was basically told by the insurance company. Okay? Children. That then his thing is totally just means it'll cost more to fix this car than the value of the car. Yeah, it cost more than they're worth to fix that car. So, what's the rich? He survived that car that crash. He had like a double fractured jaw in a serious hip injury and fewer injuries. Okay. Turnupseed the driver before he only had minor injuries. And now, this is a quote straight from Wiki. It says, and request into d a request in the Deans death occurred, three days at the council chambers and St. Louis of this is Luis Obispo.

45:01 Yeah, that that. Okay. We're the sheriff Corners. Jerry delivered a verdict that he was entirely at fault, due to speeding that Turnipseed was innocent of any criminal act. However, according to an article in the Los Angeles Times of October, To level 5 a former California highway patrol officer who had to be called to the scene. His name is Ron Nils nilsen. Contradicted reports that Dean had been traveling at 90 mph. 90 miles per hours stating the wreckage and a position of Dean's body indicated his speed at the time of the accident was more like 55 mph. So they're trying to blame him speeding based on a car that he was driving.

45:48 I think, okay? But here's the thing. Okay, dialing back into that thing with, NASCAR, the thing that I used to like about watching those races is that there would be an accident, right? It was makes me seem like, such a terrible person but like, maybe one person was, like, hit the wall or something. And then every other driver on the road would avoid them. It was actually like masterful driving and that's what being a skilled racer is like incredible, crashes, things flipping all this stuff happening. And Nobody's dead exactly. Like, it's incredible but a person who doesn't know what they're doing driving at 90 miles per hour. You're gonna kill somebody but he wasn't. That's what was it?

46:29 No, he wasn't. That's what the the officer that came on the scene. He waits be contradicted. The corner. Oh, is he on a scene? He could tell how fast he was going. Right? Right. So he said he was going on. You Brett mph. He's going like 55 mph. Okay. That's so he has like, you could tell he has slowed down because he sold the for coming out of the road out in front. Of him and slow down enough. Find 55 mph. I mean this still going like 60 on the highway, it's not that slow. You need that 6, Carlos this is true. Speaking of the one who doesn't have a driver's license So yeah. So apparently he was trying to slow down, but Obviously he just sold out enough to avoid crashing into the side of the fort.

47:15 All right, we have a crash. So guys, tell me about little bastard. Okay, so yeah, we're getting to the whole apart so we're getting a little bastard. So, as a disclaimer, let me just state that occurs a little bastard. May just been made up by an attention-seeking individual. He was Just just listen to this. Okay, we'll get to himself, okay? So September 23rd, this is a week before Dean's accident. Okay, he admitted with a Brutus action, actor is a man's Alec Guinness Guinness was superstitious person. He told Dean that the sports car looks sinister.

47:59 It looked exhausted hungry, doing a little ill-tempered and spite of Dean's. Kindness, that's how people talk about their cars, though. Really. Yes, it's a little temper. My one friend like talks about his car and my baby and it's okay baby and I don't know. Car people are a little weird like I'm here, but car people are their own kind of weird. I'm so cold a little bit. I mean, are you a weird car people look, I kind of say my car's. My car is if he sometimes Mmm call hurt. You caused it to her. It's a, it's a guy. So, it's like, our, yes, a guy called. I've been the guy, his name's Jamel. Okay? So you are a car people. Um, City, he, I heard myself saying in a voice. I could hardly recognize as my own. Please never get in it.

48:50 If you get in that car will be found dead in it. By this next, next time this week So what happened next week? He died, he does but I'm pumped So as after accident the car was considered a total loss by the insurance company but it was sold by a salvage yard in Burbank California to dr. William F and I cannot pronounce his last name. I was going to try my best at strauch are strict that stretch. Yeah. Usually see it to the k sound that's rich. Okay. So who at he had raced before against Dean?

49:33 So he had salvage parts of the engine, okay? And put them in his Lotus IX, race car. Another another driver used parts a little faster as well as thing was trade McHenry. Okay, so it was worth something. Yes. Yes, the parts are required because you know, yourself would some parts only wasn't completely unsavable I guess at that point, okay? So after salvaging, what he needed, he sold it. This is s Rich ostrich, okay? That's rich. I sold the chassis of the little bastard to an a man named George Barris. Okay, who had customize, some of the cars that were in Rebel Without a Cause.

50:17 Okay, and he's also the self-proclaimed king of customizers. Oh okay. Yes. Yes. So A Pimp My Ride, Kind of guy basically, he's exhibit reckon 50s, okay? Or whoever it was that West Coast Customs. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah, the guy who ran that thing that couldn't my ride was about. Okay. So only incident that happened that s Rich while using the parts from Dean's car, okay? Was a minor shunt with another driver. That was during the Hamona sports car races. There's an October 21st 1956. Okay so unfortunately McHenry who had also use parts of this car, he was using the back swing arms, a little bastard.

51:06 Okay I know you don't know about cars. I'm guessing it'll back bumpy things keep going. Keep going. It's all right, so I'm going out there. Listen to this knows what you're talking about. They hold a route to rear end of the car. Okay. So I You're kind of, right? They I'm just looking at the picture of the car and I'm like, this little bumps of will back bumps back home but look okay. Oh goodness. Okay, so he was in the same race as Estridge. Um, that you got as far as got a little trunk with other razor. So, but McHenry lost control of the car and struck a tree.

51:46 Okay? And he died in this is to be the only actual death caused by parts of the car. Okay? So I did all spooky that something that's get to that, okay? George Barris Like I said before, don't be haunted by James T ha ha. No, that would actually be Justice that but um like I said before, he a customized some cars in a Rebel Without a Cause And self looping King customer customizers. He had bought the wreck of the chassis from Estridge. So he announced Bears, he announces that, he's going to rebuild a little bastard but that that, that that That was too much for him.

52:35 It was like, it was a freaking, it was a wreck, the chassis of the pensive and time-consuming like no. Like the chassis one is total and is like Crush. Like that is like it has basically a says, it has no Integra grow. Okay, strength. So instead embarrass the site to weld and looms, cheats sheet metal, over the cave in front fender and a cockpit area. Okay. Okay, he proceeded to beat one, aluminum panels with a two-by-four. Let's try to simulate what would appear to be a compliment collision damage, so kind of gross. So he is, so he like tried led to try and rebuild it, but he tried to rebuild it like, it looked like it was an accident.

53:20 Oh, that's kind of gross. Yeah, yeah, this is a, this is pretty bad. He basically bought the car, just the show it off and try to make money and get some This is complicity from it. Yeah, I mean, can you imagine what was the same Paul Walker? Somebody buying Paul Walker's car? Like, I'm going to show you the car exactly, as it looked when it hit the pole, that's really kind of awful. That's messed up. This is all messed up. So then he'll up the, he went to cards to the Los Angeles, chapter of the national Safety Council for a local Rod and Custom. So during 1957 and 1959, the exhibit was toward and various Raw. And custom car shows.

54:03 Okay? Movie, theaters, bowling alleys, highway, safety, displays all throughout California. So various is believed to be the creator of the Miss behind little bastard. Okay, so they think he made this up so the means to make money. Yes. Well, that probably takes away some of the excitement of the story. I know. I'm sorry. But let me get to some of the creepy tells that he's told in some of the creepy tales that may or may not happen. Okay. Okay so I got this information from comment over Hollywood. So it says, Bears had two tires from The Spider and sodium, the tires, apparently, both blew out simultaneously, sighing, you can layer, I can I speak simultaneously.

54:52 There you go, words causing the new tire owners cards. Turn off the road which isn't that crazy of a story because they're older tires. Exactly. That had been an accident. Okay. See. This is so not a spook Brian. It's it's a myth. Yes, I agree. This is a mess. Let's see. So bears are kept a Porsche and two, people try to steal Parts. Bears said, one of the see the suspects arms, torn completely open, trying to steal the steering wheel and the other was injured trying to remove the blood staining tart own seat.

55:32 Okay, so now that feels a little Christina Yes, yes, I loved Christine. That's why the car going. I did the car thing because, you know, Christine, okay? I don't think that Christina was like that me and yeah, they're me get that. Um, and 1959 little bastard was put on display by the California Highway Patrol for safety exhibit supposably the patrol. Garage that house the Porsche caught on fire, according to the death of James Dean by one newton. Okay so book. Yes. So wherever the cart was stored. I guess the the warehouse caught on fire.

56:12 That was actually true. Okay. Yeah. The the cause of the fire. Oh no, that's cool. Yeah. Okay. And supposedly the poor spider was being transported when a driver of the truck and truck that was Towing the Porsche lost control the driver, apparently fell to truck. It was crushed by the Porsche when it fell off the back of the car also fell all vehicles during other transports so it would never stay still. Okay. Yeah so none of these claims have been corroborate except for the fact that every time it was stored somewhere that place caught on fire, the fire and the death of McHenry, okay? Those are only two otherwise it's big we're speculating that maybe Bears head Maybe exaggerated a little bit on his first car.

57:07 All right. And like I'm not going to get too much into the Bears stuff but there's been some I guess, blow back towards him. Of course there would be because of this in just like, and he's like, you're so creepy. Yes, exactly. Is it. Okay, so is the car still around? I believe. Okay, so this is another report. Could you go and see it? I don't like gonna do a Google Google it, but um, beerus is he's also stated that the car has disappeared from him as well.

57:47 And some and has not been found. Hmm. Okay, so it's not around. Yeah, I'll boo. I know you can't go to a museum and see it or sealant or nothing like that. I just thought maybe go to a museum. Let's see, let's see Paul. Walker's car know you're right. That is so awful. But the the dark McCallum and yes I know know it's like going to looks like okay there's that whole Titanic Museum that in that boat and they have things that they got from the Titanic which they shouldn't really have. Because most of that stuff's supposed to be at the bottom of the ocean still. But whatever that in a moment Museum, the mummer's museums that was called in Philadelphia.

58:36 Oh you mean the the Museum of the College of Physicians The M, what is it called? Mutter mutters matter Museum. It's the first car Mummers. It's called the College of Physicians of Philadelphia. That's the one that has the soap lady. I love that. Well yes, she's the lady who they found in the mass grave in Philadelphia and her body turned into soap. Yes, it was lovely. It's just a big blue blob. I was so enamored with that when I was younger and I couldn't wait to go to the Mutter Museum and I was just like, it's the big blue but interestingly enough, they did an x-ray and an x-ray MRI. Hmm.

59:16 Recently. And her skeleton is in there, really? Yeah, it is overheating into the, it's still there. They also used to have a, what's that guy? Who's the Russian? He was like, they thought he was a wizard. Rasputin, yes, they had his penis for a while. Really. Yep. It's back in Russia. Now though. It's still weird. That that's the thing that people want to see, look and strangely. I would like to see it if you got it, I want to see it. It's just like, it's just a magical. Yes, he's a wizard. You're a wizard Harry. All right, babe, that's the story of James Dean in the curse of Miss class size curse of little bastard.

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