Candy Crimes and Halloween Treats from Yesteryear

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Everybody in serial killer
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My name is Brittany.
Ransom, and my name is Brian

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discussed is your group of
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who a killer was, how they grew
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Cryptids or just the creepier
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As I tell the four-year-olds and
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Yeah, this was the moving months
for me, right?

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Yeah.
And then you moved Yeah, I got

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both a booster and a flu shot,
one weekend and I was just like,

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I can't do anything, but thank
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The people who listen, we really
appreciate you and this week in

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True Crime.
Something really wonderful

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happened.
Brian yesterday.

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Are you ready?
Let's go.

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They've arrested somebody for
the Delphi murder case in

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Indiana.
What?

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Yep, it's been five years.
I almost cried when I saw it.

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Like this is the case that I've
been following for a long time.

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Now, here's the thing, they
weren't trying to release the

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man's name until tomorrow or no
Monday.

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So October 31st but apparently
people got that information and

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there.
Release the photo as of today,

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but of people who don't know
what I'm talking about.

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On February, 13, 2017, family.
Dropped off these two girls at

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What's called the money and high
bridge in like Delphi in

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Indiana.
And the to gum girls were

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Liberty.
And gosh why can't I remember

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her name?
I'm staring at her face right

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now.
Abby, Williams and Liberty

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German.
Yeah, and This it's weird to

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people who probably aren't from
the area, but this path takes

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you across this bridge that used
to be like for trains.

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But now people just walk on it.
And while the two girls were

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having their, you know, fun
thing, they were taken Snapchat

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pictures.
And at one point, a b definitely

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noticed that someone was
following them and she took a

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video on Snapchat of the And
that's the only images we've

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ever had and we heard him say
down the hill so that's why they

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called it like the down the hill
murder for a little bit of time

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and so when they went to pick up
the girls, they were nowhere to

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be found.
They called Libby cell phone.

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It went unanswered.
Eventually, it went straight to

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voicemail which meant somebody
turned it off or they let it

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just died, the family started
searching.

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And then by late that afternoon,
they contacted the Sheriff's

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Department.
Apartment Sheriff lesson.

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Be pretty much was the one in
charge here and originally you

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know generally it's weird
because for most part we don't

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want to, they don't want to do
missing persons cases, until the

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person has been missing for 24
hours, but in terms of

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children's, missing or abduction
cases the kids normally dead

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within the 24 hour window The
police were like, maybe they got

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lost, maybe they moved to a
different Trail and they

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couldn't find their way back
their phones died.

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The community didn't care.
They went out looking that

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night, the sun went down, the
temperatures got very, very low

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or member.
It's winter and Tennis like,

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this area of the country gets
very, very cold.

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Like, right now.
We are getting weird like 70

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degrees.
Days, 20 degree nights.

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It's very, very cold and it's
not even winter yet right now.

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So February, we're talking about
0 degree, temps or less.

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So they're like, you know, they
searched well into the night and

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then February 14th.
Both the girls bodies were found

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about a mile away from the
trail.

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The man whose property it was is
no longer alive.

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But there was some some
interesting details about that.

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Like, apparently they learned
that he loved, he lied about

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where he was the day.
They went missing.

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So that was really suspicious.
There haven't released a whole

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lot of evidence are the things
that they've been looking up

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because they don't want to It's
a weird situation happens in

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these cases that get picked up
and become nationally known

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because you don't want to give
too much information, right?

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And accidentally, tell your
killer what, you know.

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Yep, that's it.
But what they did, eventually

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release was the video.
What they built and based on the

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time of death and the cold and
whatnot that video was taken.

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Very close to when Libby died.
So ultimately that video was

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moments before Batman attacked
them.

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So okay, my question is, is it
the man that was in the video?

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Then that said, down to Hill.
Yes.

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Yes.
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They heard him say was guys down
the hill and they got two

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sketches from people who were
also on the trail that day.

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And they release these like to
kind of grainy photos that they

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tried to what's the word magnify
and that's all we had and it's a

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white guy, wearing blue jeans,
blue coat jacket or hoodie and

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they immediately listed this guy
as a person of interest they

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didn't they release the audio
clips, think about two weeks

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later About in April of that
year, they released the video

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clip, they release the sketches
about five months into the

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investigation.
They were able to pinpoint.

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That there was a unknown vehicle
that was through the area, but

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regardless, I'm just going to
say his name because there's

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going to be a Public event on
Monday where they give more

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information about how they got
this guy, but his name is

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Richard Allen.
He has a history of violent

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offenses.
People found people have been

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doing the work ever since.
His name has been released, they

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pulled up Vine link, which
contained two entries for a

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Richie Matthew Allen Way, do not
know the charges yet.

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We do know that he was in court
on Friday October 28th,

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unfortunately, because the local
sheriff's don't want to release

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everything yet.
There is rampant speculation

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going online right now, but I
will be watching or I will keep

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up with it and I'll probably
watch the it's not an event but

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you don't, I mean it's going to
be a pulled the police talking

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to the media on Monday.
So I intend to watch it.

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Yeah, I just remember another
thing is that delphi's?

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A small town like a 3,000
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So that was another reason why
this was like, how do we not

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know where this who this guy is
exactly.

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Like the always been there
should have noticed him from the

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freaking video.
They took her home but the the

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sketch yeah it feels solid.
The only difference between what

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he looks like now and that is
that his face is a little wider

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now that he gained some weight
but otherwise it looks right.

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There was another guy that they
looked into in 2019, but that

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ended up not and tips have been
coming from around the entire

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country for the last five years.
So I'm really just, I really

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hope this goes the right way.
I know that their family needs

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the closure from this, you know,
Libby and Abby's family needs.

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It would probably feel good to
finally have everything closed

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and the person who hurt you Jim
Behind Bars.

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Absolutely.
I just like, I remember when we

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were talking about this, like,
the first time and it was

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brought up, and I was just like,
it was so freaking scary.

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Like the video that was posted.
So scary.

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Like got this one guy.
Just creepily following you and

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he's like, says something to you
and it just chills are.

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It's chose again.
I'm just glad like they arrested

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somebody for it and hopefully
this is the right person that

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did it and hopefully Justice is
served.

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So for this week for me, so
Brittany.

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So you work with small children,
right solutely?

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I do okay.
So I know you heard of this

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already but Take care workers,
who decided to?

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Scare the crap out of children.
Yeah at work.

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Okay.
Look into it much because I like

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what I actually saw was I don't
know if you know her Kita rose

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on Tick-Tock but she talked
about it and how those people

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should be in jail and that was
like, oh what happened?

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Well, she's right.
Goodness gracious, I'm sorry.

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Frog in his throat, they have
been charged with multiple

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felonies.
Wow.

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Yeah, so it's for women in a
casing there's that are facing

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three counts of felony, child,
abuse for this little prank,

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they pulled.
So anyway, doesn't know there's

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this video going around daycare
worker.

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She's wearing this Halloween
mask gets all up in his little

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kids face.
It scares the crap out of her

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and actually not even her.
Like, just like multiple little

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kids in the video and it's just,
no, I never watched a video.

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So I'm going to look it up now.
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And now says X daycare worker.
Oh my God, that's a horrible

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math, right?
I don't like.

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When I first started like the
screenshot of it, I thought it

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was like a scream mask, but no.
No it's not scary.

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Mask.
Looks like one of those like

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scary Japanese people but you
know what I mean?

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The scary Japanese ghosts.
Yes yes.

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Yeah, these kids were about like
three or four years old so you

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know they were losing their shit
also judging by how little the

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kids look.
They look like they're about to

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so they are.
I work with the threes and

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fours.
Pre-K.

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Oh so you think it's younger?
These look younger than the kids

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that I deal with these look very
young like toddlers.

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All poor babies, right?
Yeah.

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So my brother was the first one,
right, right?

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Oh my gosh.
So my brother was the first one

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who brought this to me.
And I was like, I got to look

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this up because it's like, of
course, it's October, so spooky

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season.
I and people, I don't know what

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they were thinking with, like,
trying to scare little kids

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Special to his horror mask like,
no, no, absolutely not.

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But it's happening in
Mississippi and they Facing

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possible prison time.
So now, how many people were

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involved in it?
Was it just the lady in the

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video?
No.

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They also bringing in the lady
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It's saying for women, okay,
that are involved in this.

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I don't see all their names.
I see three of the never mind.

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I got Wait, no.
I'm seeing five now.

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Hold on a second.
But as our first names, you got

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mccandles.
Yet Kilbourne Newman, Shelton

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and Hudson.
So they're apparently five women

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for women.
Yeah, it sounds like the entire

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staff.
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For women are facing three
counts of your child abuse.

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And I'm not sure what's going on
with the the other extra woman

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in here.
But yes, I just looked at it TMZ

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said, two-year-olds.
Yep.

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I was right?
They looked because I just like

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the tiny tiny tables.
Yeah.

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It's wild.
The one lady guess, her name is

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Caitlin Johnson, her
two-year-old was in the video,

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and she talked to TMZ Oh yeah,
I'm looking at mug shots yep.

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All five of them.
Yep, I guess one is facing

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misdemeanor.
Charges failure to report the

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abuse.
And I guess, simple, simple

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assault.
So yeah, the mom says she's not

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even considering filing a
lawsuit because she thinks they

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won't ever get hired again, and
they won't be able to pay the

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damages.
Absolutely not.

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Oh my God.
So terrible like that.

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It's one thing to, you know,
like okay for Halloween for

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like, trick-or-treat around our
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It's Hollow trigger tree is
Halloween, so write us here too.

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Yeah, I was, I was like, you
know, what would be funny and

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cool for me to do was like, you
know, how people like dress up

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as like a scarecrow or something
to sit out on the porch and just

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have like, a candy Bowl in her
lap waiting for kids to come,

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try to grab some and then you
just write girlfriends from

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like--'cause.
I remember that?

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but just, like going around
screaming at the kids and

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apparently, the mom on TMZ I
like I saw a little I clicked

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away from my just now, but she
said that her son was like

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potty-trained and now he's not
my God.

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No, it's not like sleeping
through the night and I'm like

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you just undid months of hard
work, this kids now afraid to

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live, oh my God.
Yeah they definitely traumatized

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those children.
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It's weird.

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I don't know why anybody thought
that was okay.

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they probably won't ever be

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allowed to work in child care.
After I can absolutely not and

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hopefully they do see some Type
some jail time.

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Yeah.
Because that's unacceptable.

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Yeah, that's what I got.
Well, now to the main event I'm

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not going to be talking about
One killer today.

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Well, technically, I guess I'm
going to be talking about one

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killer in the midst of the total
story, but this is more than

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likely going to go up on
Halloween.

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And so, I have been very
interested lately in the

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conversation around candy and
murder.

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And well, if you're listening
and you're probably a millennial

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or Gen X, I'm sure your parents
were like, we gotta wait to eat

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our candy until we can get home
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Kit, or some variation of that.
When we were young, Because when

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I grew up, we grew up with the
fear that someone was going to

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poison or put razor blades or
drugs or broken glass in your

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candy and now in like 20 22,
people are just openly mocking

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this.
Like I've seen dozens of posts

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on my timeline with people
showing like, actually, that it

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was a really great one that
somebody found they posted a

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peek.
You're like a Snickers that was

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broken and then in it was a
piece of paper that said we've

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been trying to contact you about
your extended car warranty.

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You know right now in our modern
era, this is just kind of

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comical because there are a
couple things that people know,

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one drugs are expensive and
nobody's given those out for

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free.
And but there's some some very

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real Real life situations that
happened and we're going to talk

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about some of those today and
essentially how what started as

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an urban legend based on the
teeniest tiniest amount of

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Truth, turned into massive
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Because I remember like the
police posting booby-trapped

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candy halls, and they would be
like, they would have like, on

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the Nightly News, like a whole
table full of candy with stuff,

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and in my head, I'm like, did
y'all just make this up?

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They had to love because our
just lying.

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Because every year brought more
reports, but nobody ever died.

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So, of course, the question was,
why in the world because at the

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height of the mass hysteria like
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believed that carrot like their
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candy.
So why do we think this, right?

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Well, the first one that I could
really find that I had a lot of

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information about what even a
lot of information.

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It was a small blurb.
A newspaper in California, was a

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dentist who gave out candy
coated laxatives to

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trick-or-treaters in 1959 and of
course he did that because he

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was trying to teach them a
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And he was charged with outrage
of public decency and the

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unlawful dispensing of drugs.
He's only poisonous like it's

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like poisoning to yeah I mean
you eat a piece of candy and

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then you feel terrible.
Also laxatives sometimes do a

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number on people's systems.
So the next big one happens in

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Long Island, New York, it's
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This takes place at the home of
housewife Alan fail, Helen fail

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and it's literally PF e IL.
So I don't know if I'm saying,

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it's feel or fail, but I think
fail is funny because she did

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fail in this situation.
Helen was giving out candy on

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Salem Ridge Road and two young.
Teens Ali Stroker and her sister

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Irene.
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stopped at Helens house, to get
candy and Helen kind of tease

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them.
And was like, aren't you a

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little old to be
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Then, you know, but Helen was a
mom herself to a teenager and it

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seem like harmless ribbing.
And she dropped like, a handful

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of what looked like candy into
the teens pillowcases.

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They all went back to the
Drucker, residence.

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And when they opened the bag,
they found these weird napkins

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like they were like tied.
Like a napkin was tied around

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it, and it was the looked like a
bottle cap that had the poison

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symbol on the bottom of it.
Those are called Aunt button.

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Ins and they are actually a
poison that you sit out around

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your house.
So the ants, eat it and die.

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Also what she dropped in their
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dog biscuits.
So, at least and Irene's mom are

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like, there's actual poison in
this bag and the police.

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Go to Helen and she's kind of
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She's like, I told them it was a
joke and obviously the poison

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was labeled poison.
I just thought they You're too

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old to be out anyway.
And no one really got hurt and

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the police were like there's
potential.

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Someone could have gotten hurt.
Absolutely, they could have not

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looked at the stupid label that
you had on there and definitely

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try to eat that.
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So she got charged and pled
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and she received a suspended
sentence unfortunately for Ali,

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stroker, she told the New York,
Sometimes that even like they

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talk to her later like 50 years
later she said she never wore a

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costume or did anything
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It really soured her to the
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That's now.
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Right.
After this newspapers, in

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Detroit, reported that people
had given out live field, bubble

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gum and in Philadelphia, they
reported that rat poison was

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given out.
Neither of these events were

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proven Just making stuff up.
Okay it is amazing.

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How like, how many articles in
major newspapers complete bull?

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Also in 1970, the New York Times
runs an article about this.

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That's also baseless this is the
headline for this though.

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It's those Halloween goodies
that children, collect this

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weekend on their rounds of
trick-or-treating, pay bring

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them more horror than happiness.
And the article just listed

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potential ways that candy could
be tampered with.

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But so, it was just like,
baiting people, right?

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I don't like it.
I don't like it.

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Nothing.
Now the next one is also the

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biggest and I'm sure, you know
who I'm going to talk about.

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Hmm, I'm going to give you some
background into what happened

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with Ronald Clark, O'Bryan most
True Crime.

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People do know about him his
name, they called him, the man

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who killed Halloween, this was
Halloween, 1974, Ronald was 30

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years old, he was married to his
wife, they need they lived in

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Deer Park Texas with her son,
Timothy, who was Is eight and

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Elizabeth.
Who was five?

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Ronald was an optician at the
Texas at Texas State Optical in

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sharp town Houston.
He was also a deacon at the

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Second Baptist Church and he
sang in the choir and ran the

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local braz program for producers
that need it.

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Ride to church events.
They were your average

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middle-class family in the
suburbs of Houston Ronald's.

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Pastor described him as a good
Christian man and an

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above-average father.
Now, of course, that was the

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surface and only his wife really
knew what was going on in his

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life, which was that Ronald
always had trouble, keeping jobs

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and at the time of this crime he
was on job. 21 in the past 10

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years.
Whoa.

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Yeah meaning he got fired or was
allowed to resign on average two

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times a year and I say allowed
to resign because he was

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constantly getting in trouble
for either negligence on the Up

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or just outright fraud at the
time you got arrested, the

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Opticians office were
investigating him for stealing

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money.
Now at this up to show his job,

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Ronald made about $150 a week
and in today's money that's

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about 900 which is an okay
amount of money if you live by

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yourself.
And you don't have a car or any

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major responsibilities.
But if you got two kids and a

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wife and like a mortgage or
rent, nine hundred dollars a

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week isn't doing it for you.
It barely covered their food and

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rent.
We know that Ronald's car was

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about to be repossessed.
He had defaulted on several

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loans and they were valued up to
nearly a hundred thousand

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dollars.
So obviously, you know, where

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we're going with this Halloween,
1974, and Texas is rainy.

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Ronald had both his kids and
their name, or Jim Bates.

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And his two kids, the group
decided to tell, go

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trick-or-treating and Pasadena
Texas.

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In hopes of getting more
goodies, you know Pasadena's a

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slightly nicer area, the night
starts out normal, they come

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across a house with the lights
off the kids ring the bell a

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couple times and then they move
on Ronald's.

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Like I'm gonna, you know, see if
this person's here and he

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catches up with them a couple
houses later and in his hands

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he's holding these absolutely
massive.

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They are 21 inch, Pixy Stix,
tubes of candy and for anyone

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who's probably not from the US.
Us Pixy Stix are legitimately

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sugar in a tube lightly
flavored.

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There is no reason why we were
allowed to eat these, his

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children, it was just right.
Like it's more than other

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candies straight sugar.
Yes, it is.

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He gives one to each of the kids
and then he sees another

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neighborhood kid from his church
and give someone to.

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So there are five of these tubes
out there.

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Now like most parents when the
nights over, you know, Ron Flag.

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Everyone can have one piece of
candy before bed.

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Neither Timothy nor his sister
were very interested in the

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giant Pixy Stix, but rondel kind
of forced him.

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If he to picket the powdered
sugar was stuck in the straw,

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which if you've had a pixie
stick, you know, that's weird.

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That's the specialist.
Yeah, why is it all right?

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It shouldn't.
It should be should move freely

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through well, immediately after
eating a mouthful to Timothy's.

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Like this is gross and so Ronald
gets him a glass of Kool-Aid to

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wash it down and then puts
Timothy to bed Timothy's dead

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within the hour.
I'm going to say, it takes a

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special kind of horrible to do
what Ronald did next.

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Because before he was even back
in his own bedroom, his son was

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crying for his father and saying
his stomach hurt and pretty much

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he held his son while the boy
convulsed vomited and gasps for

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air before just Falling limp in
the bathroom, he finally called

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911 and the ambulance rushed him
to the hospital where he was

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Dead on Arrival.
Now by sheer coincidence.

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Harris, County, prosecutor.
Mike Hinton was working that

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night police intake.
So he was picking up the phone

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calls that were coming in and he
got a phone call from Pasadena

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about a dead child.
So Mike jumps into action and

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calls dr.
Joseph okay his name is like

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spell, J Achi MC Z YK.
It's too many consonants y'all.

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She Kim sick but Kim's.
Nick is the chief medical

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examiner in Harris County.
So Mike explains the situation,

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A Doctor, Joseph.
And the doctor immediately says,

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what does his breath smell like?
And so Mike calls the morgue and

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ask them.
And they're like, it smells like

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almonds.
So, then Mike calls, dr.

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Joseph back and he's and dr.
Joseph goes, that cyanide

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poisoning.
So the following morning, the

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medic like the medical exam.
He's absolutely 100.

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Right.
The autopsy the following

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morning confirms that Not only
was it cyanide, but he had

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consumed so much that it was
enough to kill two adult men

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people like 400-pound kind of
person.

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Now, Ronald handed over his
son's candy immediately to the

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police, they tested it and it
was the pixie sticks tube full

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of poison from all of it.
Just poison.

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So, Ronald immediately calls his
neighbor Jim and he's like, oh I

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hope your son.
Your, your kids didn't need any,

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the police, look at the thing
and they're like, this is very

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obviously been tampered with.
It's, it looks like it's been

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open and stapled back together
with like, like a stapler and so

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of course, they're like, well,
how many did?

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How many did you get from my
house?

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00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:49,400
And he's like, well they gave me
like five of them, so I gave one

451
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,200
each of my kids and want to a
kid.

452
00:29:51,500 --> 00:29:56,200
We knew from church.
And so the police kind of rushed

453
00:29:56,300 --> 00:30:00,700
to the the other family's house
and they literally found the boy

454
00:30:00,700 --> 00:30:03,300
asleep.
Holding the tube in his hand.

455
00:30:03,700 --> 00:30:07,000
Oh my God, he hadn't been strong
enough to open up the Staples,

456
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:12,500
which ultimately saved his life.
So that same day, it's only

457
00:30:12,500 --> 00:30:15,500
November 1st right now, the
police take Ronald back to the

458
00:30:15,500 --> 00:30:18,400
area where they trick-or-treated
in there like so where did you

459
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,400
get it from?
And he's like oh you know I

460
00:30:20,408 --> 00:30:26,700
don't remember he's like this
guy and it was like standing in

461
00:30:26,708 --> 00:30:30,200
the shadows of the front porch.
I don't remember what he looks

462
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:35,400
like investigators are
immediately kind of suspicious

463
00:30:35,900 --> 00:30:40,200
and they let him go home.
But like there's, you know, they

464
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:45,400
they To pull them again and
they're like, okay, so you're

465
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:50,100
being kind of shady.
Yeah, Shady about this.

466
00:30:50,700 --> 00:30:54,600
Where did you find it?
Where was the guy at the house?

467
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,700
You are keeping us from finding
your son's killer this time.

468
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,200
He points to the house.
Now, the man in the house,

469
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,900
wasn't there.
So the police showed up at his

470
00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:07,800
job, he worked at the airport.
They arrested him in front of

471
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,800
his fellow employees.
He told the police.

472
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,700
He'd been working that night and
his wife and daughter had run

473
00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:16,400
out of candy early which is why
the lights were shut off.

474
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,700
Now, Mike Hinton was already
feeling like Ronald story was

475
00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:25,500
bogus, but this really
solidified it for him, not to

476
00:31:25,500 --> 00:31:31,300
mention Ronald's, being weird,
like the day of his son's

477
00:31:31,300 --> 00:31:33,300
funeral.
He gets into a fight with the

478
00:31:33,300 --> 00:31:39,900
family because he had written
some songs for Timothy.

479
00:31:40,300 --> 00:31:45,000
And it was gonna be like, plead
on Mike the Nightly News after

480
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,700
the funeral and his Didn't want
to stay up and watch it with

481
00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:50,900
him.
Oh my God, come on.

482
00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:00,900
Mike was suspicious, but it was
just a hunch and it wasn't his

483
00:32:00,900 --> 00:32:05,300
investigation.
He's just so he goes back to

484
00:32:05,300 --> 00:32:09,300
teaching at the Pasadena Police
Academy and he lets the police

485
00:32:09,300 --> 00:32:11,900
do their work.
You know, he's the prosecutor.

486
00:32:12,100 --> 00:32:15,300
He can't do yet really have any
part of this because ultimately

487
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,200
he's going to have to prosecute
this.

488
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,600
Once the information comes in In
the meantime, parents and dear

489
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,700
Parker in a total panic that
people are just dropping off

490
00:32:25,700 --> 00:32:27,800
candy at the local police
station's.

491
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,300
They're just here, have it, it's
fine.

492
00:32:30,300 --> 00:32:32,500
We'll buy our kids.
Some other candy, we don't care.

493
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:39,500
Six days after Timothy is
murdered the police show up at

494
00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:42,800
Ronald's door with a search
warrant and an arrest warrant.

495
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:48,500
Now, the reason why is over the
course of those six days, they

496
00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:51,600
discovered that Ronald had taken
on a life insurance policy on

497
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:56,300
both of his kids in January for
ten thousand dollars a piece and

498
00:32:56,300 --> 00:33:01,100
then September.
So a month before this he had

499
00:33:01,300 --> 00:33:04,400
taken out two additional
policies each for twenty

500
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:09,700
thousand dollars for both kids.
the police already knew about

501
00:33:09,700 --> 00:33:12,000
the debt, but then while they
were searching through his

502
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,400
house, they find like adding
machine tape with the exact

503
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:22,300
amount of his bills and it was
way more than Ronald was letting

504
00:33:22,300 --> 00:33:27,000
on that he actually owed and
they were also suspicious when

505
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,900
they learned that on November
first.

506
00:33:28,900 --> 00:33:33,900
While he still, you know, sad
dad, he called the insurers to

507
00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:36,700
learn about what he could get
that thirty thousand dollars and

508
00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:40,700
not like he waited the whole
day, like he woke up and was

509
00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:44,100
ready to call them.
The moment they opened at 9 a.m.

510
00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:50,300
To talk to them about this.
Which is wild well last

511
00:33:50,300 --> 00:33:52,400
Saturday, you know, yesterday my
son died.

512
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,000
So when can I get the 30 grand
for his life?

513
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,100
When can you pay me?
This is a little, it's a little

514
00:33:58,100 --> 00:34:03,000
much.
And on that adding machine tape,

515
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,900
was listed the deductions of how
much Dad he had.

516
00:34:06,100 --> 00:34:09,600
Once all the life insurance
payouts were collected, the

517
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,800
search warrant also led to a
pair of plastic scissors that

518
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,100
had a plastic residue that they
had found on the candy tubes.

519
00:34:16,699 --> 00:34:18,400
And that was enough to hold him
for questioning.

520
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,800
They later also found on him a
pocket knife that had cyanide

521
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,800
residue on it too.
They also learned he was at

522
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,500
Community College and they
interviewed his professor and

523
00:34:30,500 --> 00:34:33,500
some other students who told the
police that he would, ask weird

524
00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:37,800
questions, like what's more
lethal cyanide or another type

525
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:42,900
of poison a man who worked for
Chemical Company in Houston

526
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,699
called the police and said he
remembered a man who had come by

527
00:34:45,699 --> 00:34:49,199
looking at by Cyanide and got
upset that he could only buy

528
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:52,699
five pounds.
That's so much.

529
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,100
I was about to say.
What do you?

530
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:56,600
Why would you need?
Were you gonna kill everybody?

531
00:34:56,900 --> 00:35:02,800
Your wife to my God?
It's just so much, but he told

532
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,200
the police.
He was like, the man had dark

533
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,200
hair and glasses and most
importantly, he wore like a

534
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,000
beige or like almost light blue
Smock that he said look like a

535
00:35:11,008 --> 00:35:14,900
doctor which was the uniform
that Ronald War to the Opticians

536
00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:18,500
office.
Also, he did have dark hair and

537
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,400
wore glasses as the police
called other chemical companies.

538
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,200
They all had suspiciously
received these weird phone calls

539
00:35:26,500 --> 00:35:29,900
from a guy who had given his
name but he asks weird

540
00:35:29,900 --> 00:35:32,200
questions.
Like how much cyanide does it

541
00:35:32,207 --> 00:35:35,700
take to kill a man?
Not like a 50 pounds.

542
00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:37,900
I'll tell you that.
Not at all.

543
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,900
That was a definitive proof
though because the man couldn't

544
00:35:41,900 --> 00:35:45,900
positively ID Ronald and this
was decades before, DNA evidence

545
00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:49,200
was being used.
Ronald, put it in a not guilty,

546
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,400
plea and the state of Texas
proceeded with their case

547
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:56,800
against him.
Now, Clyde DeWitt, who is the

548
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,800
former assistant district
attorney in Houston will later

549
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,500
tell the Press.
I'm not able to imagine a crime

550
00:36:02,500 --> 00:36:07,000
more reprehensible than someone
killing his own child for money.

551
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,200
Now what do it didn't know then
and what we know now thanks to

552
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,800
forensic psychology is that
poisoners are a group of killers

553
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,500
who lack pretty much any
empathy.

554
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,500
We've learned this based on the
crimes and how poisoning is done

555
00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:28,500
usually in a very cold
calculating and strategic way a

556
00:36:28,500 --> 00:36:32,200
forensic psychologist are sorry
for in a forensic psychologist

557
00:36:32,300 --> 00:36:37,000
named Joanie, Johnston did an
interview with a any True Crime

558
00:36:37,300 --> 00:36:41,000
and she said that poisoning is
an Instrument for someone who is

559
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,900
kind of cunning and sneaky, not
somebody who's going to be

560
00:36:44,900 --> 00:36:47,900
physically or verbally
aggressive, they are more likely

561
00:36:47,900 --> 00:36:51,400
to be polite behind the scenes
and as a result, they tend to

562
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,100
fool people.
This is a relevant, quote,

563
00:36:55,100 --> 00:36:58,400
because that is exactly what
Ronald does with the police.

564
00:36:58,700 --> 00:37:02,800
And even at his trial, which
starts on May 5th, 1975 in

565
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,700
Houston.
There's a chemist who was

566
00:37:05,700 --> 00:37:11,600
friends with the Clark family
and sorry, O'Brien family.

567
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:17,900
And the chemist testified that
Ronald would bother him with a

568
00:37:17,900 --> 00:37:22,500
lot of questions about killing
people with poison Cyanide and

569
00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:26,800
he said that, he felt Ronald had
an unusual interest and the

570
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,900
subject.
Ronald sister-in-law testified

571
00:37:31,300 --> 00:37:34,100
about how Ronald talked about
the insurance payout.

572
00:37:34,300 --> 00:37:37,200
Out on the day of his son's
funeral.

573
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,100
And to add insult to injury, he
didn't even say he was going to

574
00:37:41,100 --> 00:37:43,600
pay off his debts.
He told the family, he was going

575
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,800
to take a long vacation and buy
some.

576
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:51,600
Thanks.
Now, The Smoking Gun was danee

577
00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:55,700
Ronald's wife, who told the jury
that it was not Timothy's choice

578
00:37:55,700 --> 00:37:59,100
to eat the giant pixie stick,
she told the jury that her son

579
00:37:59,100 --> 00:38:02,600
had wanted a different candy and
Ronald pretty much forced him to

580
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,500
eat it.
Even though like her son said,

581
00:38:05,500 --> 00:38:09,800
it was nasty.
Through all of this route

582
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,400
maintains his innocence and
Ronald's defense team decides to

583
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:18,000
use the decades-old urban legend
about poison Halloween candy,

584
00:38:19,100 --> 00:38:22,300
something which wasn't really
even in the collective

585
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:27,900
consciousness of the nation yet.
And in fact, this trial made it

586
00:38:27,900 --> 00:38:35,100
relevant.
Across the u.s., this trial is

587
00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:38,100
being reported on daily for the
entire month.

588
00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:41,400
They deliberate and the Press
call him the candy man.

589
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,100
Now, on June 3rd 1975, the trial
wraps up.

590
00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:52,800
Jury goes to deliberate And it
takes 46 minutes for them to

591
00:38:52,800 --> 00:39:00,200
return with a.
Yeah, with a guilty verdict and

592
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,100
they went all the way guilty for
capital murder as well as four

593
00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:06,600
counts of attempted murder for
each pixie.

594
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:11,000
Stick, he gave to a child that
night who didn't die and then

595
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,500
the judge was just like well
since you have decided on

596
00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:17,400
capital murder, we need you to
deliberate on how he should be.

597
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,900
He should die, they came back
from that one.

598
00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:26,200
Evan, Iman minutes later with
death by electrocution within

599
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,500
days of the verdict dating
files.

600
00:39:30,500 --> 00:39:33,500
For divorce.
She would later remarry and her

601
00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:37,000
new husband adopted Elizabeth as
his own Ronald.

602
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,000
Spent the next nine years in the
Ellis unit in Huntsville, Texas,

603
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,200
Reverend Carol Pickett, who
worked as a Chaplain for the

604
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,700
Texas Department of Criminal
Justice will later.

605
00:39:46,700 --> 00:39:49,900
Tell the press that Ronald was
shunned by all the other end

606
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,700
Mates.
They hated him and he had no

607
00:39:53,700 --> 00:39:58,200
friends in prison.
In fact, the prisoners actually

608
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:04,600
requested like they put in a
formal Request to have an

609
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:09,300
organized demonstration on
Ronald's execution date.

610
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:15,600
As a sort of fuck, this guy, we
hate and love it.

611
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,600
One of the things that made the
inmates Matt was that he

612
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,400
wouldn't just go to his fate
with dignity.

613
00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:23,900
He was originally supposed to be
executed on August 8th. 1980,

614
00:40:24,100 --> 00:40:26,600
his attorney.
Got a stay of execution for him.

615
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,500
They rescheduled it for May 25th
1982.

616
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,700
It got postponed.
So judge, Michael mcspadden,

617
00:40:32,900 --> 00:40:36,800
Graduated October 31st 1980 to
on the eighth anniversary of his

618
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,200
crime when his son would have
been 16.

619
00:40:39,300 --> 00:40:43,800
He even offered to walk, Ronald
to the execution, this was going

620
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,300
to be the first lethal injection
for the first time in Texas.

621
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,700
But the Supreme Court stopped it
because there were still

622
00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:55,000
arguments about how Humane
lethal injection was, which gave

623
00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:00,700
his attorney enough time to get
another stay of execution, They

624
00:41:00,700 --> 00:41:05,400
schedule it for a fourth time.
March 31st. 1984.

625
00:41:06,500 --> 00:41:11,100
His lawyer files.
A document saying lethal

626
00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:17,000
injection is cruel and unusual
punishment March 28th a jug.

627
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:22,200
George exit yet?
It's going to go according to

628
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,200
plan they got him a little last
meal T-bone steak some french

629
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,600
fries and ketchup corn.
Sweet peas.

630
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,600
Lettuce tomato.
He has salad with French

631
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,300
dressing.
Some iced tea with a sweetener.

632
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:38,900
The Boston cream pie and then
March 30th 1984, he walked to

633
00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:44,100
his execution in just before
midnight, a crowd of about 300

634
00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:48,800
people outside the prison
through candy at the prison and

635
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,200
also at the anti-death penalty
demonstrators and they screamed

636
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:58,000
trick or treat.
Ronald's, final words were, what

637
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,500
is about to transpire?
In a few moments is wrong.

638
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,400
However, we as human beings do
make mistakes and errors, the

639
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,200
execution is one of those wrongs
yet.

640
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,100
Doesn't mean our whole system of
justice is wrong.

641
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,200
Therefore, I would forgive all
who have taken it apart in any

642
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,900
way in my death.
Also to anyone, I have offended

643
00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:17,500
in any way.
During my 39 years, I pray and

644
00:42:17,500 --> 00:42:20,600
ask your forgiveness, just as I
forgive anyone who was offended

645
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,000
me in any way.
And I pray and ask God for

646
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,800
business.
For all of us, respectively is

647
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,700
In beings to my loved ones.
I extend my undying love to

648
00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:30,100
those close to me knowing your
hearts.

649
00:42:30,100 --> 00:42:32,200
I love you one.
And all God bless you.

650
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,400
And God bless you all and may
God's best blessings be always

651
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,300
yours.
Ronald C obrien PS during my

652
00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:41,400
time here.
I have been treated well by all

653
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:45,500
TDC personnel and he was
executed shortly after midnight.

654
00:42:47,700 --> 00:42:50,800
Ronald was buried in Forest,
Park East cemetery and Webster.

655
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,800
Texas.
Absolutely nowhere near his son

656
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:59,100
who was buried in Houston.
Now, another interesting thing

657
00:42:59,100 --> 00:43:02,100
happens, right?
Well, Ronald is trying to avoid

658
00:43:02,100 --> 00:43:04,800
the death penalty.
One of the biggest medical

659
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:10,500
tampering cases hits the United
States and it is a big deal that

660
00:43:10,500 --> 00:43:15,000
is the 1982 Chicago Tylenol
murders, which were first

661
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,900
reported in September of 1982.
And they lasted between

662
00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:23,200
September 82 in October 1982.
There were seven people who

663
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,200
died, when Tylenol capsules were
replaced with potassium.

664
00:43:27,300 --> 00:43:32,100
Kyanite what made these events
frightening is that the devs

665
00:43:32,100 --> 00:43:33,800
didn't all happen in the same
place.

666
00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:37,700
The first one was September 29th
and her name was Mary Kellerman.

667
00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:39,600
She lived in Elk, Grove Village,
Illinois.

668
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,600
And she was 12 years old.
And then the next three all

669
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,600
happened in Arlington.
Heights was about seven miles

670
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,400
south of where Mary died that
was Adam Janice.

671
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,300
Who is 27?
His brother Stanley who was 25

672
00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:55,100
and his sister-in-law Teresa,
who was 19, they all got their

673
00:43:55,100 --> 00:43:58,800
Town off from a different store.
And then a few days after that,

674
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,500
Mary McFarlane, who was 31 of
Elmhurst, and then Paula,

675
00:44:02,500 --> 00:44:07,600
Prince, 35 of Chicago and Mary
Reiner of Winfield.

676
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,600
She was 27, they all died.
So these are all people in

677
00:44:10,607 --> 00:44:13,700
different cities.
They very much realize that

678
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,100
every person at taken Tylenol
before they died, they all test

679
00:44:17,100 --> 00:44:20,200
these sign Knights found to be
in the bottles, they release a

680
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,800
warning to the people of Chicago
not to take any Tylenol.

681
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:28,700
They also actually drove a car
around A metropolitan area like

682
00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:33,200
the whole metropolitan area of
Chicago, just over the speakers

683
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:38,300
saying, throw out your Tylenol.
So, of course, the police and

684
00:44:38,300 --> 00:44:41,600
the FDA, go to Johnson &
Johnson, they recall all the

685
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:46,100
bottles and those stores.
And they discover that they were

686
00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:50,200
across the multiple stores, they
were manufactured in two

687
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,800
different states, Pennsylvania
and Texas, making it highly

688
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,900
unlikely that this was a
manufacturer, right?

689
00:44:56,900 --> 00:45:00,400
So the police hypothesize that
somebody must have bought a

690
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,800
bunch of Tylenol bottles.
Took them home, replace some of

691
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:11,700
the capsules and then went and
put them back on the Johnson &

692
00:45:11,700 --> 00:45:16,100
Johnson goes into total, like,
protection mode of the brand.

693
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,000
They recall bottles and
hospitals.

694
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,000
They stop selling tylenol at
all.

695
00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:26,500
And then, while this is going
on, on somebody in California,

696
00:45:26,500 --> 00:45:30,600
finds strychnine in other
Tylenol bottles.

697
00:45:31,100 --> 00:45:36,100
So, at this point, they do a
full recall on October 5th 1982

698
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:41,800
as 31 million bottles with a
retail value of about a hundred

699
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,400
million dollars in the 80s,
which is about 281 million

700
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,200
dollars.
Today they offered, they

701
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,800
immediately switch over to a
solid tab formula and they

702
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,400
offer.
Any customer who just wants to

703
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,500
feel safe anywhere in the entire
country.

704
00:45:59,300 --> 00:46:02,300
We will replace your capsule
bottle with tabs.

705
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,200
They never find out who does
this?

706
00:46:08,700 --> 00:46:12,300
Now, there was one guy who tried
to take advantage, his name is

707
00:46:12,300 --> 00:46:16,100
James Williams Louis and he sent
a letter to J&J trying to extort

708
00:46:16,100 --> 00:46:18,900
them for a million dollars and
ended up going to prison for 10

709
00:46:18,900 --> 00:46:22,200
years.
He did it because he said they

710
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,900
fired his wife and he just was
trying to get a little extra

711
00:46:24,900 --> 00:46:27,900
money because he's mad at him
for about 30 years though.

712
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:33,100
One of the books, they blamed
the Tylenol murders on James,

713
00:46:33,100 --> 00:46:36,500
William Lewis and he's like, no,
no, no, no, no, I did not do

714
00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:39,700
that.
He and his wife actually

715
00:46:39,700 --> 00:46:43,800
submitted DNA evidence to the
FBI to prove.

716
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:48,500
They're the, he's a liar, but
he's not a killer.

717
00:46:50,700 --> 00:46:55,100
They also at one point suspected
a man named Roger at Arnold who

718
00:46:55,800 --> 00:47:01,800
was so like stressed because of
the negative press when they

719
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,400
listed him as a person of
interest.

720
00:47:04,700 --> 00:47:07,800
But he pretty much had a nervous
breakdown and he tried to kill

721
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,300
the owner of Of a bar of the
following summer.

722
00:47:11,100 --> 00:47:12,600
He did not kill the owner of the
bar.

723
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:17,100
He killed a man who looked
similar man, John Standish and

724
00:47:17,100 --> 00:47:21,600
he served 15 years for that.
And later openly spoke about how

725
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:26,900
he regretted killing an innocent
person and may of 1988 Lori.

726
00:47:26,900 --> 00:47:30,500
Dan went on a poisoning, spree
around when that to Illinois and

727
00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:32,600
they thought he could be a
subset.

728
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,800
He could be a suspect but he was
just responsible for the ones in

729
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,300
Winnetka.
The FBI is actually still.

730
00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:43,300
Trying to figure out who did
this crime as recent as 2011,

731
00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:46,700
they were testing DNA from other
cases, like Ted Kaczynski

732
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,000
because the first unifor
Unabomber crimes happen in

733
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:54,500
Chicago from 1978 to 1980 when
Ted lived in the suburbs of

734
00:47:54,500 --> 00:47:59,200
Chicago, with his parents.
So the crew.

735
00:47:59,300 --> 00:48:02,700
This crime has America in a
Chokehold and then what made it

736
00:48:02,700 --> 00:48:05,400
even worse was that all of a
sudden more copycat crime,

737
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:11,500
started popping up.
They became so rampant that.

738
00:48:12,900 --> 00:48:16,200
This is why we now have
induction seals on

739
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,100
over-the-counter medication and
tamper-proof.

740
00:48:19,100 --> 00:48:22,400
Packaging, that's hard as hell
to open.

741
00:48:24,100 --> 00:48:29,200
Because of these copycat crimes
also product tampering is now a

742
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:33,600
federal crime.
The pharmaceutical industry

743
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:38,300
moved away from capsules for a
very long time and the FDA

744
00:48:38,300 --> 00:48:41,700
continues to tweak the
regulations around product

745
00:48:41,700 --> 00:48:45,700
tampering as new more creative
ways to tamper with things are

746
00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:50,000
discovered.
Now we're only in the 80s right

747
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,200
now, right?
Halloween 1982, ha.

748
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,100
Lean.
We the people are still

749
00:48:55,100 --> 00:48:57,600
reminiscent of what happened
with Robert.

750
00:48:57,700 --> 00:49:01,000
I was Ronald Clark O'Bryan right
now.

751
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,700
We've got this case in
California.

752
00:49:02,700 --> 00:49:05,700
People are terrified.
Candy sales, go down, 20% across

753
00:49:05,700 --> 00:49:08,700
the entire nation.
What happens.

754
00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:13,500
Next is a lot of children dying
by accident who it gets blamed

755
00:49:13,500 --> 00:49:15,900
on candy.
So I'm going to give you a

756
00:49:15,908 --> 00:49:17,300
couple.
There's a lot of them but maybe

757
00:49:17,300 --> 00:49:20,500
a couple.
So in 1970, this kid named Kevin

758
00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:25,200
toastin was 5 years old and he
was from Detroit, he died after

759
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,800
finding and eating his uncle's
heroin.

760
00:49:28,700 --> 00:49:32,600
Oh yep.
The family attempted to protect

761
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,100
the uncle.
By claiming the drug must have

762
00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:37,200
been sprinkled on the kids
Halloween candy.

763
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:42,700
God.
Yep. 1978 Patrick wider.

764
00:49:42,700 --> 00:49:45,600
Hold was two year.
Old boy from Flint Michigan who

765
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,400
died after eating his Halloween
candy.

766
00:49:50,900 --> 00:49:56,400
The Press was like, ah, it's the
candy strangers but after

767
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,800
toxicology tests were done,
there was no evidence of poison

768
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,000
and they were like, he just
died.

769
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:08,200
Maybe he was allergic to the
something, maybe in 1982.

770
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:12,300
The police have Redford Township
near Detroit issue a statement

771
00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:19,700
after a kid gets ill and his
doctor misread lab results And

772
00:50:19,700 --> 00:50:23,000
went public with charges of
cyanide poisoning and Doctor

773
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,700
Halloween candy.
The police do tests, they're

774
00:50:26,700 --> 00:50:33,100
like there's no poison here.
So, the doctor was just wrong.

775
00:50:34,300 --> 00:50:37,400
In 1990 Ariel cats the
seven-year-old girl in Santa

776
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,300
Monica, California.
She died while she was

777
00:50:40,300 --> 00:50:43,800
trick-or-treating and early
press reports, blamed poison

778
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,800
candy.
Even though her parents told the

779
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,900
police that she had a congenital
heart defect, she had an

780
00:50:50,900 --> 00:50:57,100
enlarged heart, which was her
actual cause of death. 1991

781
00:50:57,100 --> 00:51:00,000
Washington.
D.c. 31 year old Kevin Michael

782
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:04,600
Cherry of Montgomery County has
heart failure.

783
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:09,400
After eating some of his child's
Halloween candy and on November

784
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:14,700
2nd to Washington, times tells
parents to dump their kids

785
00:51:14,700 --> 00:51:24,500
candies before they even wait
for the autopsy. 1994 and

786
00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:27,600
unnamed three-year-old in New.
Britain Connecticut is diagnosed

787
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:31,800
as suffering from cocaine
poisoning even though he was

788
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,800
sick earlier in the day and he
had a bad habit of putting

789
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:39,100
anything he found in his mouth,
they blame the candy which of

790
00:51:39,100 --> 00:51:47,600
course brings media Hysteria.
More than a week later, the

791
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:51,000
local police announced there was
no kill Cain or any other drugs

792
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:55,700
in that boys candy bag.
More than likely, he picked up

793
00:51:55,700 --> 00:51:57,200
something that he shouldn't have
him.

794
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:04,100
Put in his mouth as children are
to do as the exactly 1996

795
00:52:04,300 --> 00:52:08,000
seven-year-old Ferdinand Sig wig
of San Jose, California,

796
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,000
collapses after eating candy and
cookies.

797
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,800
He was given during while he was
trick-or-treating, they do a

798
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:19,400
urinalysis at the hospital which
reveals cocaine subsequent tests

799
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,900
tests done by an outside lab
come back - and Included that

800
00:52:23,900 --> 00:52:26,600
the initial test results were
just wrong.

801
00:52:27,300 --> 00:52:30,900
This conclusion was reached a
day after the media had already

802
00:52:30,900 --> 00:52:37,200
picked up the story.
Yep. 2001 a four-year-old girl

803
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,100
in Vancouver.
British Columbia Canada dies

804
00:52:40,100 --> 00:52:44,100
after eating Halloween, candy.
There is no evidence.

805
00:52:44,300 --> 00:52:49,400
She died of poison candy, She
actually died from a

806
00:52:49,408 --> 00:52:54,800
Streptococcus infection.
So here's one of the, okay.

807
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:59,500
So this one is different.
So how this is have you heard of

808
00:52:59,700 --> 00:53:04,800
drugs being in your kids, candy?
Of course, that happened.

809
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:11,100
But not because of the reasons
why we thought Cemetery it's her

810
00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:16,100
kits 2000.
Hercules California,

811
00:53:16,900 --> 00:53:19,200
trick-or-treaters come home and
parents.

812
00:53:20,700 --> 00:53:29,000
The kids open up these Snickers
bars and they have Little

813
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,300
baggies of marijuana inside of
them.

814
00:53:33,900 --> 00:53:35,400
The meme is coming.
True.

815
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,300
So parents report to the police
the house where the candy came

816
00:53:39,300 --> 00:53:42,500
from is quickly.
Found the homeowners are super

817
00:53:42,500 --> 00:53:46,500
confused when the police
investigate, they're like, okay,

818
00:53:46,500 --> 00:53:49,200
the homeowners had no idea that
they accidentally handed out

819
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,400
drugs.
So, here's how this happened.

820
00:53:51,900 --> 00:53:56,400
The homeowner work for the Post
Office and most locations have

821
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,100
something called a dead letter
office.

822
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:02,400
Which is where all the packages
with bad postage.

823
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:07,200
Or not enough postage, go right.
The homeowner have been tasked

824
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:11,500
with getting rid of like a bunch
of canned goods and like what

825
00:54:11,500 --> 00:54:15,000
looks like bags of candy that
had been shipped?

826
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,900
And so he looks at it and he's
like, this is perfectly good.

827
00:54:18,900 --> 00:54:24,100
Candy he takes it home and gives
it to his wife.

828
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:28,000
The handout Super Readers.
Oh yeah.

829
00:54:28,900 --> 00:54:32,100
In fact he didn't know that
those the it wasn't a real bag

830
00:54:32,100 --> 00:54:35,700
of Snickers.
Somebody tried to cleverly mail

831
00:54:35,700 --> 00:54:40,100
drugs across the country.
I mean and pretend it was a

832
00:54:40,107 --> 00:54:45,300
stickers bag so that it wouldn't
get like searched or x-rayed.

833
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,800
That's a really smart way of
doing it.

834
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:52,200
But damn terrible, terrible time
of the year to do it.

835
00:54:53,300 --> 00:54:58,300
The problem is the media doesn't
often follow up on these cases a

836
00:54:58,300 --> 00:55:03,100
lot of the, the digging that had
I had to do here was like you

837
00:55:03,100 --> 00:55:06,400
find the first story and it's
very sensationalized, right?

838
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,700
But they don't follow up
afterward.

839
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,500
So people just remembered that
in California.

840
00:55:12,500 --> 00:55:17,900
In 2000 weed was in kids bags
and they never looked into it

841
00:55:17,900 --> 00:55:22,200
any further than that, in fact.
Well, okay.

842
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:29,100
So I'm going to say Us.
The company said that their

843
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:35,500
image was tarnished, but when
you find out what this company

844
00:55:35,500 --> 00:55:41,600
is I'm gonna I'll just okay.
So it's October 8th 1988 and the

845
00:55:41,607 --> 00:55:45,900
New York Times reports that
traces of strychnine are found

846
00:55:46,100 --> 00:55:50,400
in a box of Sunkist fun fruits
dinosaurs and they had been

847
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,800
purchased on September 23rd and
a New Jersey.

848
00:55:52,900 --> 00:55:57,300
Grocery store.
The candy's had like a fine

849
00:55:57,300 --> 00:56:00,400
white powder, which is what
strychnine looks like.

850
00:56:01,700 --> 00:56:05,500
So they took it to a state lab
and that's kind of where the New

851
00:56:05,500 --> 00:56:08,900
York Times initially ends their
story, the lab results, come

852
00:56:08,900 --> 00:56:12,600
back a week later proving that
it was cornstarch, which anybody

853
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,300
who has made homemade gummies
with.

854
00:56:14,300 --> 00:56:17,900
No, that's how you keep them
from sticking together.

855
00:56:19,700 --> 00:56:22,300
Now, the New York Times Did
print an updated version of this

856
00:56:22,300 --> 00:56:27,000
story on October 14th 1988, but
the company Thomas J.

857
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:31,000
Lipton Incorporated had
destroyed Ninety Four Hundred

858
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:36,300
cases of the product.
The company stated that the

859
00:56:36,300 --> 00:56:40,300
negativity had a huge impact on
their image.

860
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:45,500
Now you might know Thomas J.
Lifted incorporated as one of

861
00:56:45,500 --> 00:56:48,400
the largest tea makers in the
world.

862
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:54,500
Made about 1.6 billion dollars
in t last year and have fifty

863
00:56:54,500 --> 00:56:59,700
percent of the market share.
So they obviously recovered

864
00:57:03,300 --> 00:57:06,800
maybe they don't sell fruit
gummies anymore, but they sell

865
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:11,800
enough T, they sure as hell.
Do, I didn't realize they owned,

866
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,700
they have 50 percent of the
market share of T sales.

867
00:57:14,700 --> 00:57:17,900
I didn't know that.
It's like I said, even though

868
00:57:17,900 --> 00:57:23,200
both Thomas J lived in.
And Johnson & Johnson recovered,

869
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:29,200
the medians incessant need.
To sort of stay ahead of

870
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,800
stories.
Whether those stories are true

871
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,800
or not, is, is pretty damaging.
Yeah.

872
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,300
They don't have all the
information is one of the covers

873
00:57:37,300 --> 00:57:39,700
something.
And there's definitely these

874
00:57:39,700 --> 00:57:43,900
Sensational headlines, stay with
people much longer after the

875
00:57:43,900 --> 00:57:46,900
cases are found out to be
hoaxes, or just mistaken

876
00:57:46,900 --> 00:57:50,700
poisonings.
Now, there have been journalists

877
00:57:50,700 --> 00:57:53,100
who have been analyzing all of
these news stories, over the

878
00:57:53,100 --> 00:57:56,600
last 70 years, and most of them
end up being pranks.

879
00:57:57,900 --> 00:58:00,700
One of the bigger studies was
done in 1985.

880
00:58:00,900 --> 00:58:03,500
A man by the name of Joel basti
was a sociologist at the

881
00:58:03,500 --> 00:58:06,700
University of Delaware, pretty
much spent a big chunk of his

882
00:58:06,700 --> 00:58:10,700
career, looking at Candy
tampering cases from 1958 to

883
00:58:10,700 --> 00:58:16,700
1983 and he found that of those
cases that he was able to

884
00:58:16,700 --> 00:58:21,100
confirm were actual candy
tampering were about 90 of them.

885
00:58:21,500 --> 00:58:26,600
None of them were random.
Attempts to like her kids, 78

886
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:30,400
were outright pranks, five were
adults, who attended to kill

887
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,400
children to get like financial
compensation.

888
00:58:34,500 --> 00:58:37,400
Those were Timothy O'Bryan and
Kevin tostan.

889
00:58:37,700 --> 00:58:39,800
And the rest were just kids
trying to get intention.

890
00:58:40,300 --> 00:58:42,400
Like one of the cases, it's
actually really funny.

891
00:58:45,500 --> 00:58:50,600
It a kid brought an apple to his
parents and was like, I think

892
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:54,500
there's poison on this and he
had eaten like half the apple

893
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:58,500
and there was poison on the
other half of the Apple, but he

894
00:58:58,500 --> 00:59:00,900
had dipped it in like he had
done.

895
00:59:00,900 --> 00:59:03,900
That was a kid.
Yes.

896
00:59:03,900 --> 00:59:06,000
Are you serious?
What the hell?

897
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,800
They are mass.
Why goddamn thing we can

898
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:17,300
absolutely.
Say kids are a friggin mess and

899
00:59:17,300 --> 00:59:20,900
the pranks were things like
people and sold like inserting

900
00:59:20,900 --> 00:59:24,900
needles or razor blades into
like another.

901
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:29,700
For I got friends candy because
they had heard the myths and

902
00:59:29,700 --> 00:59:32,500
they were like oh this is gonna
be so funny.

903
00:59:33,900 --> 00:59:36,200
Let me take just not realizing
they're about to cause

904
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:37,700
community-wide.
Panic.

905
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,700
Yeah, that's not funny.
Not at all.

906
00:59:40,100 --> 00:59:43,400
No Joel best isn't the only
person to look into this.

907
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:49,400
But his coverage of it actually
came out during the height of

908
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:53,700
candy hysteria.
The mid-80s and a lot of other

909
00:59:53,700 --> 00:59:56,200
people have written about it
since then, but for people in

910
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:59,700
our age range, you know,
Millennials and also some

911
00:59:59,700 --> 01:00:04,800
younger Gen-X and also sometimes
gen Z we kind of now make fun of

912
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,900
it, you know?
No, because here's the thing,

913
01:00:08,900 --> 01:00:10,300
like I said, drugs are
expensive?

914
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,600
No one's hand them out for free.
It's really easy.

915
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:17,000
As you can see, from the police
to track down where ever

916
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,100
tainted, candy actually came
from.

917
01:00:19,500 --> 01:00:25,400
They very quickly can zero in on
which house it came from based

918
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,200
on asking people questions about
it.

919
01:00:30,100 --> 01:00:34,300
So Ronald Clark O'Bryan which is
kind of a dummy.

920
01:00:34,900 --> 01:00:39,600
Yeah.
There aren't even that many

921
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,500
people who tried to kill her
kids with candy.

922
01:00:41,500 --> 01:00:44,300
So thankfully that's good one
thing though.

923
01:00:44,300 --> 01:00:47,100
Interesting is that Joel best?
Thanks, that we've sort of

924
01:00:47,500 --> 01:00:51,400
shifted, our fear culturally
from the supernatural or

925
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:57,000
satanic, because the 80s had the
satanic Panic right to real

926
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,800
monsters, like that.
In True Crime, his direct quote

927
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:04,000
is, we don't believe in ghosts
and goblins, we believe in

928
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:08,000
criminals.
We have revised what held the

929
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:12,300
Louis menaces from the homicidal
maniac you know like in slasher

930
01:01:12,300 --> 01:01:17,000
movies to a person so crazy he
poisons the candy of strangers

931
01:01:17,300 --> 01:01:22,700
and I honestly think he's right
culturally Americans, seem to

932
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,400
subsist off of the idea of
constantly.

933
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:29,500
Having a boogeyman.
We're worried about got to be

934
01:01:29,500 --> 01:01:33,300
worried about something be it,
religious Supernatural a

935
01:01:33,300 --> 01:01:36,600
socio-economic group that we
think is destroying the country

936
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,600
or racist opinions.
Of a marginalized Community,

937
01:01:40,100 --> 01:01:44,800
sometimes all of the above at
the same time, but we have this

938
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:49,000
weird space within our country
where many of us are safe, but

939
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,600
we fear our communities and I'm
really not sure why we're like

940
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:53,800
this.
And that's probably a

941
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:58,100
conversation for a later date.
But for some Americans, the fear

942
01:01:58,100 --> 01:02:01,500
of the stranger, who lurks just
outside of your peripheral

943
01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:05,500
seeking to harm, your family is
a boogeyman who is palatable

944
01:02:06,100 --> 01:02:10,100
someone you can prepare for
Ultimately protect your family.

945
01:02:10,100 --> 01:02:14,700
From we know that the reality is
very different.

946
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:18,100
But in a weird way, looking at
the world like this makes people

947
01:02:18,100 --> 01:02:24,300
feel safe because the truth of
the matter is that we are most

948
01:02:24,300 --> 01:02:29,800
likely to be hurt by the people.
We know, and love, and I don't

949
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:33,800
know if people can come to terms
with that reality.

950
01:02:35,100 --> 01:02:38,800
Like, if it's just too hard for
you to look at the people around

951
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,100
you and go one of these people
might kill me.

952
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:50,500
So instead we fixate on all of
these different boogeymen and

953
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:55,700
for Halloween and the candy,
giving time the boogeyman is the

954
01:02:55,700 --> 01:03:00,300
random person in your community,
who's definitely trying to get,

955
01:03:00,300 --> 01:03:04,600
your kid hooked on drugs.
You know, because he just got

956
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:07,600
all that money.
He got all that extra lot of

957
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,200
extra Jack money.
All the he's just got all that

958
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:17,500
time to put needles, inside tiny
Snickers bars, or things of that

959
01:03:17,500 --> 01:03:19,400
nature, but it's still, it's
very interesting.

960
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:24,600
That's all I got for you today.
It's my time spent looking up

961
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:30,400
all the different candy crimes
in America and it's good that

962
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:34,300
we're not so crazy about it.
Now, I do still see Some news

963
01:03:34,300 --> 01:03:38,400
articles about it though.
Yeah, I've seen a few already

964
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:42,800
this year, drugs and candy and
stuff everybody every once in a

965
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:47,000
while people are like, oh you
gotta make sure you double check

966
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:51,200
your kids candy and I'm like
y'all just made me throw out a

967
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:54,900
perfectly good piece of candy
because it got opened in the bag

968
01:03:54,900 --> 01:03:56,900
while I was dragging the back
down the street.

969
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,300
Because you know, listen the
first couple times you go

970
01:04:02,300 --> 01:04:08,600
trick-or-treating, you carry
that cute little pale and then

971
01:04:09,100 --> 01:04:13,600
you get to be like 10 and you
just take a pillowcase and call

972
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:15,400
it a day.
Damn, right.

973
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:19,800
But what do you have for us
today?

974
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:21,500
Brian.
Okay.

975
01:04:22,300 --> 01:04:25,500
So today I'm going to keep up
with what I did for last

976
01:04:25,500 --> 01:04:28,900
episode.
I'm going to hit you with a

977
01:04:29,100 --> 01:04:33,300
Halloween like origin stories, /
history.

978
01:04:33,900 --> 01:04:38,700
And then I'm going to add a
little Cryptids, 10 episode, all

979
01:04:38,700 --> 01:04:42,100
right, because this is Halloween
and we stay in the spooky

980
01:04:42,100 --> 01:04:44,100
season, right?
Hmm.

981
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:48,700
Okay.
So Britney Are you ready for

982
01:04:48,700 --> 01:04:51,500
trick-or-treat night?
You know, you got your candy,

983
01:04:51,500 --> 01:04:53,800
you got your decorations, you
got the whole shebang-a-bang

984
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:56,500
going on.
We didn't really do a whole lot,

985
01:04:56,500 --> 01:05:02,100
but we do have a bag of candy.
Oh, it's a chocolate, is just

986
01:05:02,100 --> 01:05:05,400
like regular candy.
You know, people who got their

987
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,400
allergy, nut allergies
chocolate.

988
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,100
Allergies, unfortunately,
chocolate allergies are saying,

989
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:14,600
well, yeah, one of my cousin's
used to try and seek chocolate

990
01:05:14,900 --> 01:05:22,000
and it was always a problem.
Yeah, me myself.

991
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,300
I'm definitely going to have my
pennies in my reasons.

992
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:29,200
Ready for these kids you giving
out pennies like you're a 75

993
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:33,900
year old grandma.
Oh yes pennies raisins and

994
01:05:33,900 --> 01:05:36,200
toothbrushes.
I'm pretty deadly have milky

995
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:39,100
Way's like a bag of Milky Way's
that we're gonna be heading out.

996
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:45,100
Oh my God I don't know which
went to the store today and grab

997
01:05:45,100 --> 01:05:47,800
some candy.
So yeah I got to actually go

998
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:51,100
tomorrow and make sure I can t I
gotta make sure I can.

999
01:05:51,100 --> 01:05:54,900
T44 thing is we live like in the
middle of downtown.

1000
01:05:54,900 --> 01:05:58,000
So Don't even know if kids are
going to come by.

1001
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:01,000
So that's why we only grab like
two bags but I'm wearing a

1002
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,300
costume to work on Monday so I
guess I just won't take it off

1003
01:06:04,500 --> 01:06:07,500
because I'm just gonna wear
that.

1004
01:06:07,900 --> 01:06:10,600
Ya know, the area you're in
right now.

1005
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:13,800
Yet a lot of kids do walk that
street, do they?

1006
01:06:14,100 --> 01:06:16,400
I'm so excited.
I'm gonna get more candy then.

1007
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,900
Thank you for telling me.
No problem grew up here.

1008
01:06:20,100 --> 01:06:22,400
Yeah, I live right up the street
from where you're at right now.

1009
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:26,600
But yeah, Yeah, a lot of kids.
Hey, I'm gonna tell her so we

1010
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:28,500
can buy more candy.
We're gonna hang out on the

1011
01:06:28,500 --> 01:06:34,300
porch from six to eight.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1012
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,100
I bet there's one Halloween
treat.

1013
01:06:37,100 --> 01:06:41,300
You don't have ready and if you
do look at you for covering all

1014
01:06:41,300 --> 01:06:43,600
your bases.
Oh, okay.

1015
01:06:45,500 --> 01:06:48,600
So have you heard of a soul cake
before?

1016
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:55,700
Hmm, people put the word soul in
front of a lot of things.

1017
01:06:56,500 --> 01:06:58,600
I don't think I've heard about
it in this context.

1018
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,100
That this is true.
This is true.

1019
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:04,300
Okay?
So hi.

1020
01:07:04,300 --> 01:07:08,700
Soul blobel.
Well, thus, okay, what actually

1021
01:07:08,700 --> 01:07:15,800
take them as they come with like
the beginning of I guess the

1022
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:21,600
trick or treating like like very
beginning like night, it wasn't

1023
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:24,000
even, trick-or-treating wasn't
called Halloween at this time

1024
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:25,800
ago, back when it was like
Pagan.

1025
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,800
It was like, you know, All Souls
day, which is actually the day

1026
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:34,000
after Halloween actually, not
all so well for some people.

1027
01:07:34,900 --> 01:07:39,100
No, okay, I'll st.
Paul Saints Day and All Saints

1028
01:07:39,100 --> 01:07:41,900
Day is the after Halloween and
All Souls day.

1029
01:07:41,900 --> 01:07:46,300
Is the after that Oh, I'm so
confused that.

1030
01:07:47,500 --> 01:07:51,200
Yeah, but listen.
That's some Christian stuff and

1031
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,300
you know, I haven't kept up with
that since high school.

1032
01:07:54,700 --> 01:08:01,000
I know, but it's all cake is
basically, just I mean, it could

1033
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,700
be like a cookie could be a
biscuit.

1034
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:08,800
It's like there certainly are
different types of recipes for

1035
01:08:08,900 --> 01:08:12,500
this certain treat.
That was given out on these

1036
01:08:12,500 --> 01:08:19,100
days.
It's like they came about like

1037
01:08:19,100 --> 01:08:24,000
19th century so like, like like
it was just something so easy.

1038
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,800
Why?
Yeah, why.

1039
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:33,600
Yes.
Well so well, this is something

1040
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:37,500
that goes along with this
actually really is a song that

1041
01:08:37,500 --> 01:08:40,200
goes along with this.
I'm just gonna seem like the

1042
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:41,700
course of it and I'm gonna sing
it.

1043
01:08:41,700 --> 01:08:45,000
I'm just gonna read it.
It says a soul, a soul, a soul

1044
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,100
cakes.
Please give mrs.

1045
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:50,700
A soul cake.
An apple a pear of Plum or a

1046
01:08:50,707 --> 01:08:56,600
cherry and a good thing to make
us all marry one of her Peter

1047
01:08:56,700 --> 01:09:00,899
2:4 Paul three for him, who made
us all, okay.

1048
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:09,300
So yeah, this was something, you
know how, you know, what

1049
01:09:09,300 --> 01:09:12,899
Christmas, you have your
carolers and stuff like that.

1050
01:09:14,100 --> 01:09:22,399
Um, well, during All Saints Day,
All Souls day Halloween, at that

1051
01:09:22,399 --> 01:09:28,000
time, they had people, that
would come around, whether they

1052
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:32,700
be homeless, people were Beggars
and they would, you know, sing

1053
01:09:32,700 --> 01:09:40,399
the song, the risk arrows, and
the people of the house, would

1054
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:45,100
they normally would have a soul
cake and what the soul?

1055
01:09:45,100 --> 01:09:51,899
Cakes represent it was for one
person won't for one so cake to

1056
01:09:51,899 --> 01:09:59,100
get a soul, you know, I mean, so
so big so a lot of people just

1057
01:09:59,100 --> 01:10:05,600
go around and, you know, do
these, these Carol's prayers

1058
01:10:06,100 --> 01:10:14,600
something like that.
And Actually called souling like

1059
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:15,100
me.
Okay.

1060
01:10:15,100 --> 01:10:17,600
So here's my question, right?
You said this me about in like

1061
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:19,700
the 19th century?
Yes.

1062
01:10:20,300 --> 01:10:28,500
So I'm guessing they probably
don't have too many decorations.

1063
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:33,900
Like I feel like the 1800s.
We didn't have like, pretty

1064
01:10:33,900 --> 01:10:40,400
cakes.
No, they were basic as cakes

1065
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:44,700
that you, they're not even like
they're basically like, no, like

1066
01:10:44,700 --> 01:10:47,900
was there making biscuits?
No, nothing on top of.

1067
01:10:47,900 --> 01:10:50,900
It is just basic biscuit looking
cooking.

1068
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:52,500
Cookie thing.
No.

1069
01:10:52,500 --> 01:10:55,000
See is not a cake.
It's not a cake or no.

1070
01:10:55,000 --> 01:11:02,600
I Look ish, a biscuit.
It has sugar flour, eggs

1071
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:05,800
cookies.
Like Biscuits.

1072
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:16,700
Yeah, yeah.
They are get up now cakes.

1073
01:11:16,700 --> 01:11:22,100
I guess.
Um, but yeah, like I said there

1074
01:11:22,100 --> 01:11:24,500
was a song that was created that
was only a chorus of what I

1075
01:11:24,508 --> 01:11:30,100
read.
Um so after I'd stay out of

1076
01:11:30,100 --> 01:11:32,700
this, you know what Mummers are,
right?

1077
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:40,200
Yeah, okay, cool, excellent.
So, For anybody who doesn't know

1078
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:42,100
him.
Warmers are there like

1079
01:11:42,900 --> 01:11:47,400
entertainers, basically, actors
who, you know, go out in the

1080
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:48,500
streets.
They dance.

1081
01:11:48,500 --> 01:11:51,600
They performed they they were
quite costumes.

1082
01:11:53,300 --> 01:11:56,300
Sounds familiar, right?
Something reason why I said.

1083
01:11:56,300 --> 01:11:58,800
Yeah, so excitedly is because
Philadelphia.

1084
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:01,000
Yeah, I know the mummer's
parade.

1085
01:12:01,300 --> 01:12:07,400
I had and War and authentic
Mummers costume every Halloween

1086
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:13,800
for like For years, my aunt got
it for me, my Angie and got it

1087
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:16,500
for me and I loved it and I
didn't care that.

1088
01:12:16,500 --> 01:12:19,100
Nobody knew what it was because
I know what it was.

1089
01:12:19,700 --> 01:12:22,200
That's all that matters.
But yeah, like I guess back in

1090
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:25,200
length 18 century.
They were just, like, working

1091
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:28,700
class street performers.
Absolutely talk about the cool.

1092
01:12:28,700 --> 01:12:31,400
Like they look so cool.
I don't know if they're like

1093
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:33,700
cool people now but I know they
look cool.

1094
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:38,000
Yeah, so modern-day trick or
treat.

1095
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:43,600
Just are thought of as being
like descendants of these

1096
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:45,400
bombers.
Oh cool.

1097
01:12:45,700 --> 01:12:48,000
Yeah, I love that actually.
Yeah.

1098
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:52,300
Right is so cool.
And they were not only come out,

1099
01:12:52,300 --> 01:12:54,900
of course for Halloween, but
they come out for other special

1100
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,900
like the times of the year.
How Christmas?

1101
01:12:58,500 --> 01:13:02,100
Also they stuff like that.
That's when the mummer's parade

1102
01:13:02,100 --> 01:13:04,400
is.
I think it's New Years Day and

1103
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:06,300
Philadelphia.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1104
01:13:06,300 --> 01:13:10,100
That's that's a big celebration.
Oh yeah, a lot of people.

1105
01:13:10,100 --> 01:13:14,000
They were just go to, you know,
they knew where like

1106
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:17,000
trick-or-treaters, nowadays,
they go to that one person's

1107
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:18,600
house.
They know they got those fools

1108
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:20,500
eyes can't.
There's king-size candy bars.

1109
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:25,100
The mummer's would go to the,
you know, the rich people's

1110
01:13:25,100 --> 01:13:26,800
houses.
They know we're a rich, and

1111
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:29,400
there we go.
Yep.

1112
01:13:29,900 --> 01:13:33,600
You know, they get food and you
get something to drink, they

1113
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,200
might get a gift for her
performance out there.

1114
01:13:36,300 --> 01:13:42,600
You never know.
But yeah, yeah yeah that is that

1115
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:47,600
like when I read about the
mummer's, I was like, oh that's

1116
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:50,100
awesome.
Just go out there and like is

1117
01:13:50,100 --> 01:13:51,700
just definitely
trick-or-treating.

1118
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,000
Okay, so I've Googled what these
cakes look like.

1119
01:13:56,100 --> 01:14:01,100
And one, they're ugly.
And why do they have x's on

1120
01:14:01,100 --> 01:14:03,500
them?
Some of the notes.

1121
01:14:04,700 --> 01:14:07,800
I don't know what I have x's on
the some that see that's the

1122
01:14:08,100 --> 01:14:11,400
It's the thing some of them are
like they're different recipes

1123
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:14,400
for making up some who say they
did do certain things become put

1124
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:18,500
some certain things in it make
it you know certain way make it

1125
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:23,600
fluffy.
Some of them are fluffier than a

1126
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:27,700
cookie and some of them are like
flat, like a damn biscuit or

1127
01:14:27,700 --> 01:14:33,000
like God, our flat like that
looks beautiful.

1128
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:39,800
But some of these look ugly,
Yeah, a lot of them while we're

1129
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:44,000
making like a traditional Soul
cake, it's definitely going to

1130
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:45,900
look ugly.
Yeah, there's somebody's look

1131
01:14:45,900 --> 01:14:49,900
rough like real throw whatever
we got in the house inside of

1132
01:14:49,907 --> 01:14:55,300
these cookies but the more
modern ones like one of these

1133
01:14:55,300 --> 01:14:58,700
look like a little pie, it's a
little tiny cute.

1134
01:14:58,700 --> 01:15:04,800
That's cute people know the
cultural significance who are

1135
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:06,900
doing them like today and Is
time.

1136
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:15,500
I would hope so, because I've
also read some stories about so

1137
01:15:15,500 --> 01:15:17,900
cakes.
Some of them in Creepypastas,

1138
01:15:17,900 --> 01:15:23,700
some of them being actual like
stuff and, you know, they're

1139
01:15:24,700 --> 01:15:30,300
used to like represent, like I
guess they're, they're, they're

1140
01:15:30,300 --> 01:15:34,600
given to appease spirits of the,
you know, of All Souls day, all

1141
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:37,800
same standard.
Okay, yeah, you know what I

1142
01:15:37,808 --> 01:15:41,900
mean?
So, And I thought that was

1143
01:15:41,900 --> 01:15:45,700
really cool because it goes, he
has spirits and you're giving

1144
01:15:45,700 --> 01:15:48,000
out treats to the spirits.
Let's go.

1145
01:15:49,100 --> 01:15:53,200
It's like what culture is that
Mexico?

1146
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:58,800
Does that yes, what their their
little, there's a proper name

1147
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:01,700
for it that I should know
because we just watch CoCo at

1148
01:16:01,700 --> 01:16:06,900
school but he'll still owes
Mortals but there's like the

1149
01:16:06,900 --> 01:16:10,200
name of the place where they put
all the pictures in the Food.

1150
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:14,300
Remember what the ofrenda?
Yeah, Yeah.

1151
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:17,800
They put food on the ofrenda.
So that's what I that's the only

1152
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,800
culture.
I really like know that has like

1153
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:24,500
I mean lots of cultures have
death rituals but that's

1154
01:16:24,500 --> 01:16:27,200
probably the one I'm most
familiar with some like they

1155
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:30,700
feed their dads through that.
Yes.

1156
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:37,100
It's, you know, and I think I
might be wrong with this but I'm

1157
01:16:37,100 --> 01:16:45,800
pretty sure I read this as well.
Really Peru also they do

1158
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:48,600
celebrate.
So celebrate, the, the soloing.

1159
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:52,900
Okay.
And like this came from freaking

1160
01:16:52,900 --> 01:16:56,500
Europe and made it all the way
down to Peru stuff.

1161
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:59,700
So it's like things, I think I
love the most about, like the

1162
01:16:59,700 --> 01:17:02,500
Mexico in the thing.
With the putting the food on the

1163
01:17:02,500 --> 01:17:08,000
farm bar is that it's it's
offered to the ghost for the

1164
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:10,000
Roma.
Yes.

1165
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:13,300
Because they know they can't
eat, but maybe they can smell

1166
01:17:13,300 --> 01:17:15,100
it.
And remember, it is, remember

1167
01:17:15,100 --> 01:17:18,800
that kind of love that.
Yes.

1168
01:17:20,500 --> 01:17:23,800
But we go study here so you can
remember what it was like to eat

1169
01:17:24,300 --> 01:17:27,300
when you were alive and
hopefully that doesn't make you

1170
01:17:27,300 --> 01:17:30,800
hungry.
That's what I put alcohol to a

1171
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:32,600
lot of people.
Now that is one thing a lot of

1172
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:39,300
cultures do put out booze for
the dead for one out.

1173
01:17:39,300 --> 01:17:44,100
For the homies, please bottle of
wine.

1174
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:47,700
Your file is your finest Pinot
Noir, please for me.

1175
01:17:48,500 --> 01:17:52,600
Oh, is that what you want?
Please, thank you.

1176
01:17:52,900 --> 01:17:55,400
I appreciate that.
Listen, if I'm gonna be dead,

1177
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:57,900
you better drop a bottle of
tequila on My Grave.

1178
01:17:58,000 --> 01:17:59,800
Oh, you got it?
It's no problem.

1179
01:18:00,900 --> 01:18:04,200
Y'all sit around it, the
gravestone do a shot and then go

1180
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:06,600
home?
Yes.

1181
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:11,200
Wait no, you can't drive home.
We shall just said, alcohol,

1182
01:18:11,500 --> 01:18:17,600
that's a shot.
It's only an ounce of liquor.

1183
01:18:17,700 --> 01:18:20,300
It takes an hour for that to go
to your system.

1184
01:18:20,900 --> 01:18:22,900
You'll be fine.
Tell spooky stories in the

1185
01:18:22,900 --> 01:18:29,200
meantime, there you go.
I wish we had more interesting

1186
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:35,200
death culture like death rituals
in the u.s. that would be nice

1187
01:18:35,700 --> 01:18:40,200
we lost a lot of it.
I think a more modern area

1188
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:45,300
people are scared of the Dead
Just fear death.

1189
01:18:46,100 --> 01:18:48,200
Yeah, is what this but that you
know.

1190
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:52,000
But the problem is they fear it
to the point where you don't

1191
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:56,800
prepare, and then you leave your
family with huge bills and, you

1192
01:18:56,800 --> 01:19:03,600
know, like my best friend's
grandmother, she prepared

1193
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:06,600
everything ahead of time.
She had already purchased her

1194
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:11,600
casket and her like grave plot
decades before she died.

1195
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:13,800
She's like, I don't want y'all
to have to deal.

1196
01:19:13,900 --> 01:19:19,700
This, she hurts her mind, my
friend knew what she wanted to

1197
01:19:19,700 --> 01:19:22,500
be buried in how she wanted her
hair done.

1198
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:26,800
She had a whole little plan and
that's appreciated because when

1199
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:34,800
my mom passed away we were sad
and it was it didn't matter how

1200
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,500
many times the doctors told me
that she had a fatal illness.

1201
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:41,700
My brain was like she's not
dying.

1202
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:46,300
What are you talking about?
So I wasn't really ready.

1203
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:52,000
I remember like picking out like
there was stuff I wanted to do

1204
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:55,000
like I wanted to get like a
piece of her hair, you know, for

1205
01:19:55,000 --> 01:20:00,500
like you know, like the um, They
did in the 14th century like in

1206
01:20:00,500 --> 01:20:03,800
the Renaissance, they would like
use the hair and like an art

1207
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:06,800
piece or something.
Totally forgot about that in the

1208
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:12,700
moment.
I just picked it outfit and sent

1209
01:20:12,700 --> 01:20:18,100
that to the people and then my
dad, let me choose the flowers

1210
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:22,000
and I was like, he's like choose
our favorite flowers and I was

1211
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:25,400
like, they're all out of season.
He was like, I don't care.

1212
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:31,400
So she had beautiful.
Like irises and mums, and all

1213
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:35,700
sorts of flowers that don't grow
in December all over the church.

1214
01:20:35,700 --> 01:20:39,000
Yeah.
Yeah.

1215
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,500
But like I wish we had more
stuff in our country.

1216
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:48,800
Like you know what we should do?
A thing for what is it going to

1217
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:51,100
be weird.
But I saw a story about this.

1218
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:57,700
Okay, some guy he knew he was
dying and he just wanted to get

1219
01:20:57,700 --> 01:21:00,700
tattoos, okay.
And he wanted to leave his

1220
01:21:00,700 --> 01:21:04,000
children or something.
So what he did was he got his

1221
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:11,600
whole body covered with tattoos
and then Like when he died he

1222
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:16,600
had his skin peeled, whatever,
you know, with the tattoos pivot

1223
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:19,100
off his skin.
I think I remember this part of

1224
01:21:19,100 --> 01:21:21,800
it was kept.
Yeah, yeah, most of that was

1225
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:26,400
kept if we're like his kids to
like, hang up and like, just

1226
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:31,700
look at Art, the art that he had
on him, and I think that it's,

1227
01:21:31,700 --> 01:21:34,500
it's McCobb.
Definitely.

1228
01:21:34,900 --> 01:21:37,400
But that's something I would
probably do.

1229
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:39,400
They call them human.
Pelts.

1230
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:44,600
Yeah, something I would probably
do not going to lie.

1231
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:52,200
You want me to save your little
Pok��mon tattoo Pokemon tattoos.

1232
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:53,800
Thank you for get.
There's more, there's more than

1233
01:21:53,800 --> 01:22:00,600
one.
Yes, save those.

1234
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:04,000
Absolutely.
Before we get cremated.

1235
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:11,600
Yeah, might as well.
Okay, so Like it's not as crazy

1236
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:17,500
as the dad who wants the skull
like beautified and gemstones,

1237
01:22:17,500 --> 01:22:22,000
put in the eye sockets and left
on the mantle that's to make

1238
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:25,000
them.
You can make a mug out of my

1239
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:26,300
skull.
He really wants you to, that's,

1240
01:22:26,300 --> 01:22:30,800
that's no badass.
Your children, love you,

1241
01:22:31,700 --> 01:22:35,500
exactly.
They're gonna be sad.

1242
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:37,100
Drink your morning coffee.
Out of my head.

1243
01:22:37,100 --> 01:22:43,400
I know they would be terrible.
Oh my God, I'm just thinking of

1244
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:46,900
different ideas to preserve
memory.

1245
01:22:47,100 --> 01:22:52,300
Yeah, you look, you've made a
podcast that has been listened

1246
01:22:52,300 --> 01:22:56,100
to by a quarter of a million
people and this will be online

1247
01:22:56,100 --> 01:22:58,900
forever.
Probably, this is true and he

1248
01:22:58,900 --> 01:23:01,100
will hear, it isn't like Dad.
What the hell were you thinking?

1249
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:02,800
Ha ha.
Ha.

1250
01:23:04,900 --> 01:23:06,600
Oh God.
All right, all right.

1251
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:08,000
All right.
So I do.

1252
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:14,700
I do have my Cryptid.
All right, so this one I saw

1253
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:16,200
weeks ago.
Okay.

1254
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:21,000
And like, was it new to you when
you heard about it, it really

1255
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:26,700
was nice.
And it's another I'm sorry I had

1256
01:23:26,700 --> 01:23:30,600
to do it because it's new to me
and it was in that it's from the

1257
01:23:30,608 --> 01:23:33,600
area.
So it's another bigfoot-type

1258
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:36,800
monster out.
Of course it is.

1259
01:23:37,300 --> 01:23:42,200
Okay, we'll check it out.
Okay this one is from Colombia

1260
01:23:42,700 --> 01:23:44,400
pa.
Okay.

1261
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:49,800
In between like that in between
Lancaster in Colombia.

1262
01:23:50,300 --> 01:23:56,300
I like that even less.
It's called.

1263
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:01,400
Oh boy.
Oh bad witch.

1264
01:24:03,300 --> 01:24:09,700
A lb 80, which all bet which as
how I'm going to say it.

1265
01:24:10,500 --> 01:24:14,100
First thing I see is I'll bat
which festival.

1266
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:18,000
Yes, why are we?
It just it just happened like

1267
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:21,500
two weeks ago.
It literally just happened two

1268
01:24:21,500 --> 01:24:23,500
weeks ago.
They had a festival of it.

1269
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:34,400
Oh look at all the little stuff.
He's so thing with a hat.

1270
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:39,300
Karen, an apple.
Yeah, yeah that's um, actually

1271
01:24:39,300 --> 01:24:47,000
where he gets his name from they
used to apparently still apples.

1272
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:49,700
Oh okay, they really liked
apples.

1273
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:55,300
It looks so small.
It is small.

1274
01:24:55,300 --> 01:24:58,500
You know how tall that thing is?
No, it's four feet tall.

1275
01:24:58,700 --> 01:25:00,400
Okay?
Because you said it was a

1276
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:03,900
Bigfoot but it's considered a
Bigfoot.

1277
01:25:03,900 --> 01:25:07,600
It's not, it's a humanoid
honestly Bigfoot.

1278
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:10,300
I mean like a humanoid 8 type
thing.

1279
01:25:11,100 --> 01:25:20,900
I'm looking at a very blurry
photo. but yes, the all belt,

1280
01:25:20,900 --> 01:25:30,200
which is local Legend from
Columbia Pennsylvania and They

1281
01:25:30,500 --> 01:25:35,500
celebrate this thing.
Like I I've lived in Lancaster

1282
01:25:36,100 --> 01:25:39,400
all my life and I've never heard
of this thing.

1283
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:45,800
Um, and it's a small man was,
how did you never hear about a

1284
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:50,300
festival down the road from
where you grew up, right?

1285
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:55,800
I have no idea, but it used to
live like I guess the, what it

1286
01:25:56,000 --> 01:26:02,800
Airy wooded areas.
And I guess it lived by chiques

1287
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:04,900
Rock.
I don't know where that is.

1288
01:26:04,900 --> 01:26:09,000
Where's that is, why?
But I'm pretty sure I've driven

1289
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,300
by their a lot because Colombia
is not that big.

1290
01:26:14,300 --> 01:26:16,500
And I guess he should hang
around the Susquehanna River

1291
01:26:16,500 --> 01:26:20,900
Banks as well.
So, I know what that is.

1292
01:26:21,300 --> 01:26:24,700
Yeah, I would hope.
So, ha ha.

1293
01:26:25,300 --> 01:26:29,900
We I lived on the Susquehanna
River for like five years

1294
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:35,100
legitimately like my my
apartment looked out onto the

1295
01:26:35,100 --> 01:26:39,600
river, that's why we laugh.
But yeah.

1296
01:26:39,900 --> 01:26:42,800
Okay.
So chiques rock it's a like a

1297
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:49,100
County Park from it's the
shortened version of chicken.

1298
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:53,000
Okay, she cast Saloon.
Gotta meaning place of the

1299
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:55,200
crayfish.
It's an indigenous word.

1300
01:26:56,900 --> 01:26:59,900
I know, roots, that looks.
So that's why they called it

1301
01:26:59,900 --> 01:27:02,700
just chickies because they don't
know how to say words and I get

1302
01:27:02,700 --> 01:27:04,400
it.
Pennsylvania is full of

1303
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:09,200
indigenous towns and nice for
things that are very hard to

1304
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:12,200
say.
I'm pretty sure I drive by there

1305
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:15,700
on a daily basis, for work drive
by the park.

1306
01:27:15,700 --> 01:27:20,000
And it looks like there's like a
river there to gather is never

1307
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,700
easy.
The river I guess part of the

1308
01:27:22,708 --> 01:27:26,700
Susquehanna to yeah.
Okay I believe that's yeah,

1309
01:27:27,500 --> 01:27:30,600
that's a bridge that crosses
over from Colombia to

1310
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:36,000
Wrightsville.
Well, you've been there a lot?

1311
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:41,500
That's where your friend lives.
This movie never was, I've been

1312
01:27:41,500 --> 01:27:45,900
to that Park to, I don't know.
You should go where hunt.

1313
01:27:46,100 --> 01:27:47,700
I should really do something
like there.

1314
01:27:47,700 --> 01:27:51,300
Yeah.
I will watch it.

1315
01:27:51,500 --> 01:27:56,300
As you live streaming will not
be out in the woods, looking for

1316
01:27:56,300 --> 01:27:59,700
creatures, you know, how I feel
about the woods and the things

1317
01:27:59,700 --> 01:28:03,900
that live there.
Now, of course, goodness.

1318
01:28:03,900 --> 01:28:12,600
But yeah, like, like this, this
I'll bet, which is, it's named

1319
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:16,000
after I guess, like I said, I
have it.

1320
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:21,900
It, it has it likes to just take
Those, and that's cute.

1321
01:28:22,300 --> 01:28:28,400
It's short for Apple snitch.
So Apple snitch, I'll bet which

1322
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:34,500
That's not Computing.
Brian look, I didn't come with

1323
01:28:34,500 --> 01:28:37,900
this, you right you, right?
You didn't come up with it but

1324
01:28:37,900 --> 01:28:43,400
it's because it's a lb 80 which?
Yeah.

1325
01:28:44,900 --> 01:28:49,000
Yeah I know.
All right whatever we'll get

1326
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:53,600
easiest no apples from
picnickers apparently that's and

1327
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:57,100
they use the drove them at
people too.

1328
01:29:00,700 --> 01:29:07,600
But yeah.
This is Legend says that our

1329
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:10,800
batch, which is they either
became extinct, or were driven

1330
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:14,300
into Extinction after the 19th
Century Century.

1331
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:25,600
There have been a lot of well,
supposed sightings at chiques

1332
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:31,700
Rock, okay, they see strange
things out there.

1333
01:29:31,900 --> 01:29:36,500
Hear strange noises.
They don't know what's going on

1334
01:29:36,500 --> 01:29:37,500
up there.
I mean it's going to be a.

1335
01:29:37,500 --> 01:29:39,100
So who knows?
What's going on out there?

1336
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:49,900
In about like the 1950s 1970s
there was a man-like figure that

1337
01:29:49,900 --> 01:29:52,800
was seen several times around
the area.

1338
01:29:53,200 --> 01:30:02,000
Okay?
And and I guess Legends say that

1339
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:07,000
they heard like sounds that
sound like a crack of a whip in

1340
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:12,800
the woods.
And they're like well maybe this

1341
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:16,200
could be like I don't know and
I'll bat which just like doing

1342
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:23,300
something else their nose.
Like, I don't know, like it's a

1343
01:30:23,300 --> 01:30:31,900
bigfoot-type monster. and I
guess, Not only in Colombia but

1344
01:30:31,900 --> 01:30:37,100
they it was also spotted in
Lancaster PA in about like 1973

1345
01:30:38,500 --> 01:30:41,000
and it's only like 10 miles away
from Columbia.

1346
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:45,100
So that's not too much too far
of a stretch for, you know, to

1347
01:30:45,100 --> 01:30:50,800
travel that far.
And I was in like the same year

1348
01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:55,100
that I guess it started
appearing, or after it started

1349
01:30:55,100 --> 01:30:58,800
appearing in Colombia.
So between 1950s 1970s, it was a

1350
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:01,400
Columbia and then a little bit
afterwards, it started heading

1351
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:07,600
towards like a stir.
So K knows where it's at.

1352
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:13,000
Now, it's also been.
I guess reported that it's been

1353
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:16,900
seen in your county to so that's
far away.

1354
01:31:17,100 --> 01:31:22,400
It look, it's hitting like a sir
Columbia York it's it's probably

1355
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:26,700
just making its way down the
East Coast making its way

1356
01:31:26,700 --> 01:31:33,900
downtown walking fast faces pass
and he's homebound apparently

1357
01:31:35,100 --> 01:31:38,100
He's going, you know, where he's
going, where he's going down to

1358
01:31:38,100 --> 01:31:40,800
East Coast, he's going down to
Florida because that's where all

1359
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:50,000
Pennsylvania's go, okay, no.
Yes.

1360
01:31:52,300 --> 01:31:59,800
Okay.
So There's a book about, uh,

1361
01:31:59,900 --> 01:32:05,800
it's called ghosts of the river
towns is by Rick Fisher.

1362
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:12,300
And he goes over basically
Chronicles, different creatures,

1363
01:32:12,300 --> 01:32:16,800
that he's or different things.
He's seen in these towns by

1364
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:21,200
Rivers.
Here is a story about he was

1365
01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:23,400
writing he was driving down
Route, 23.

1366
01:32:23,900 --> 01:32:27,800
Okay.
We're this near chiques rock is

1367
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:30,000
a cold.
February morning, we had to

1368
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:34,300
string G counter, and is now in
a distance.

1369
01:32:34,300 --> 01:32:38,200
He saw appeared to be a person
walking in the Middle Road and

1370
01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:42,400
as Fisher got closer, he slowed
down significantly because the

1371
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:44,900
person seemed small enough to be
a child.

1372
01:32:44,900 --> 01:32:47,900
So like I said, I think it was
four feet tall so he was like oh

1373
01:32:47,907 --> 01:32:51,700
no.
Yeah, he's lost some children

1374
01:32:51,700 --> 01:32:56,300
Charles Laws and it was like a
stick thin as a stick thin

1375
01:32:56,400 --> 01:33:00,700
figure.
And yeah, he said it was like

1376
01:33:00,700 --> 01:33:04,100
about five feet tall.
It was covered in hair and it

1377
01:33:04,100 --> 01:33:09,200
just stood in the road Fisher.
He flashed on his high beams.

1378
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:11,300
He to get a better.
Look, see, I was about to say

1379
01:33:11,300 --> 01:33:14,300
then he turned around and didn't
engage.

1380
01:33:15,900 --> 01:33:19,200
Yep.
Now he fly Ash's i-beams,

1381
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:21,700
continue.
No.

1382
01:33:21,700 --> 01:33:25,100
He flashes all your beans and
then the creature did turn

1383
01:33:25,100 --> 01:33:31,000
around and it had these yellow
eyes ever staring right back at

1384
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:34,300
his car.
And then after he flashes High

1385
01:33:34,300 --> 01:33:38,700
beings on the figure, just
finished right there.

1386
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:49,300
Middle of the road, just
vanished. yeah, and like he just

1387
01:33:49,300 --> 01:33:56,400
wrote about it in this is part
of his little book but What drew

1388
01:33:56,400 --> 01:34:01,100
me to this thing just says out
bat which is that in the

1389
01:34:01,100 --> 01:34:08,800
beginning of October there is an
out bat which Day Festival and

1390
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:15,300
we missed it and we missed it
was October 30 minutes away.

1391
01:34:16,700 --> 01:34:21,400
Yes, and we missed it.
It happens.

1392
01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:27,400
It happens from 11 a.m. to 5
p.m. and it's just a freaking

1393
01:34:27,400 --> 01:34:31,100
Festival.
You get Ghost Tours or vendors.

1394
01:34:31,100 --> 01:34:36,200
Are you a music artist there?
People dressing up as an out bat

1395
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:39,500
which ha ha.
It's yeah.

1396
01:34:39,500 --> 01:34:41,900
When's the Mothman?
We got to go do that.

1397
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:45,700
Oh, I think it's some like
drawing a blank.

1398
01:34:45,700 --> 01:34:49,200
I'm pretty sure.
Is like either July or August.

1399
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:51,200
So we got to go there,
definitely next year.

1400
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:57,400
Third weekend in September.
Damn, really owes hole.

1401
01:34:58,700 --> 01:35:02,800
Yeah.
Next year next year I guess I

1402
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:09,500
know what I'm doing.
September their weekend going to

1403
01:35:09,500 --> 01:35:15,000
South Carolina, West Virginia.
Man, what was Virginia?

1404
01:35:20,700 --> 01:35:25,000
Oh goodness.
But yet, if you want to know any

1405
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:29,000
more about the alphabet, which
you can definitely go to, I'll

1406
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:35,100
bet which day.com and it
basically gives you like a

1407
01:35:35,108 --> 01:35:43,700
little legend of the elbe at
which things that go on during

1408
01:35:43,700 --> 01:35:47,300
the day of the festival, which
actually look pretty cool.

1409
01:35:47,300 --> 01:35:49,700
And I am really sad that I
missed.

1410
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:52,200
Miss it this year, but I will
definitely try to make it next

1411
01:35:52,200 --> 01:35:56,400
year and hopefully is always in
the beginning of October I

1412
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:59,600
think.
So, let's hope that's the thing

1413
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:05,000
and I'll make it.
Um, well yeah, let's do it.

1414
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:09,100
Yeah, that's that's where I got
for this week.

1415
01:36:09,500 --> 01:36:11,800
Well, thank you all so much for
listening.

1416
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:20,000
I'm going to stay with the A lot
of work that I'm doing right now

1417
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:24,900
like my main job is like 45 Plus
hours a week.

1418
01:36:26,700 --> 01:36:30,600
We probably won't be having 3
our podcasts anymore.

1419
01:36:33,700 --> 01:36:35,700
Things will probably come out
and parts.

1420
01:36:35,900 --> 01:36:39,300
If I do, like big cases, like we
do, like I did with, you know,

1421
01:36:39,300 --> 01:36:43,900
Bundy or Manson, those are
probably more likely but

1422
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:47,600
hopefully you'll still be happy.
Even if the podcast is only like

1423
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:53,900
an hour and a half, just gotta
sort my time a little

1424
01:36:53,900 --> 01:37:00,100
differently now but
unfortunately, yeah, so thank

1425
01:37:00,100 --> 01:37:04,400
you for listening.
Yes, we appreciate it so much

1426
01:37:04,900 --> 01:37:08,200
and have a good Halloween.
Yes.

1427
01:37:08,200 --> 01:37:09,600
Make sure you get those so
cakes.

1428
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:14,900
Ready?
But make them cute.

1429
01:37:15,500 --> 01:37:19,700
It's please make them cute.
As some frosting, at least the

1430
01:37:19,700 --> 01:37:24,600
ancestors want frosting anyway.
Happy Halloween.